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[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Goku1992:
Btw my debloat deletes over 320 apps lol🤣
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] pratik_193:
Did Debloating also change your phone's model number to Nokia 3310?:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] blackhawk:
-If- it's being correctly reported. And/or It maybe a dependency of Google play Services that's part of the cause.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] MariusKv:
Damn 😂 I have like 80 heh
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] OnnoJ:
In my experience, a high battery use of GPS is often the case when it is not updated.

Check via settings - Apps - 'Google Play-services' - app-data in store.

(My version 23-30-13)
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] blackhawk:
Google play Services has a bunch of dependencies. Disabling it will particularly disable them and the power savings is a more than 10% in a 24hr cycle. The dependencies though should to be disabled or turned off to fully stop their parasitic battery consumption.

3rd party apps that need Play Services are usually trashware.

If you're using Google backup you don't have much choice. Personally I don't use it or trust it.

I haven't used Playstore in a year or more. I use Gmail a couple times a week. Gmaps even less and it's on the chopping block as at start up it always is one of the first to load.

No free ride. You need to decide what's needed for your device to fulfill its mission and then how to best do it. Out of the box after a week or right at first boot Samsung's generally turn into hot running battery hogs if not optimized. Updates don't fix it; Samsung's need to be optimized.

It may seem like overkill but if this N10+* had a 5002 mAh battery it get 16hrs SOT in it's current configuration. That in spite of it's 4yo 7nm SOC (with a worse instruction set, allegedly) and 12gb of more inefficient plus what's used running the SD card. The S23U should be good for at least 13hrs SOT. Anything under 8hrs is completely unacceptable and it will run hot!

The N10+ was a hot running mess when it got 6hrs SOT. Optimized the nominal SOT is 10-13 hrs on a fresh battery.

* no scoped storage as it's running on Android 9 so it's burning less cpu cycles. Not sure how much of an impact this makes.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] OnnoJ:
I don't understand why you paste this long reply (I remember having read it earlier)...

I am just suggesting to check whether GP-services are updated... I've seen several cases of high battery usage by GP-services while it was more than 4-5 months not-updated - for whatever reasons.

My GP-services use less than 0.5% per 24hrs. I have not disabled anything and I use the phone as intended/bought.

I have 2 sim cards (many times in poor reception conditions in outback), mobile data is always on as are BT, WiFi and location. GW4 is always connected. Daily automatic backups are scheduled.

No power saving settings used.

My battery takes me through the day, with 6-8 hours SOT. I charge phone once per day to 85%.

Furthermore, I am not at all interested in stories about the Note 10+. I had the Note 10+ for 2 years, never an issue, then the S21U; those phones are gone and forgotten...
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] olafsand:
Beta1 oneUI6. 🔋 shows different. You need to calculate usage. Samples are here
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Keos214:
I never understood why they change things that are already great
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] blackhawk:
The one thing you need to see is total SOT.

Screen off usage be nice too. The graph is irreverent. Makes spotting issues a lot easier and more precise.

It's about time Google got their sorry power management act a little together🩸
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] trevzv:
this is the maximum I can get using offline mode, light performance and a lot of things disabled via adb, it's a little frustrating when I see some getting more without disabling anything
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Goku1992:
Likely yes hahaha xD debloated everything i dont use lol🤣🤣🤣
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Big Bread:
That's the way to go. Remove crap you don't need to save resources for what you do need. Ignore the people mocking and dictating how you should use your own phone.

Could you send me your new debloat list so i can see other safe to remove crap?
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Goku1992:
Thats right mate 👌🏼
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] blackhawk:
I don't hesitate to remove things like Device Wellbeing but it may be useful to someone🤣

Just make sure you understand what you're disabling does and more importantly does it have any dependencies you use including modifying the UI (it may be rarely but still be needed).

Going on self inflicted witch hunts isn't fun especially when you need the phone working.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Goku1992:
My phone is working like i want it to work so no problems :)
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Virgo_Guy:
Tension free landline connection.

Kiddin'.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Keos214:
Perfectly fine
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] _GRIZZLY_:
August update or July?
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Keos214:
July
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Thanos88:
I sold mine but main things to do is turn off any services you aren't using like gps WiFi Bluetooth etc, disable any bloatware by Google
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] hallo dare:
What did you change to and how are you finding it in comparison?
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Thanos88:
When I had it I was getting amazing battery life. Main things were to turn off any features you don't use like WiFi mobile data Bluetooth GPS etc. Location was a big battery hog
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] hallo dare:
No, what phone did you change to and are you finding the new phone better or worse in any particular category?
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Thanos88:
Changed to Rog phone 7, find it much better in every category except camera. Camera on s23 ultra No.1 in the world right now IMHO
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Klaudas:
Same great battery life with august patch. Struggling to kill the phone in a day.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] linom:
So the beta added a good feature in battery breakdown, detailing each app'd consumption and if its keeping the device awake. While they have screwed up with the SOT reporting, this feature would be really helpful to narrow down on battery drain culprits
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] sorin97:
Hello guys! Can i have your opinion on my battery performance?

FHD+, 120hz, light performance mode, adaptive battery on, 4G on all day, dark mode, latest software
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] amirage:
Normal battery usage as you should expect when on data all day.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Goku1992:
My all day 4g is 7hours+
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] sorin97:
Never had 7 hours of SOT. Not even on wifi
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Klaudas:
Has anyone tried to compare on/off adaptive battery option on August patch?
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] aafrankies:
always 7-9 hours SOT, even on gsm, light performance, adaptive display, fhd+
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] sorin97:
Don't know what the problem might be. I actually send the phone back and bought another one from samsung.com and the battery performace is the same
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Klaudas:
Cellular strength, brightness, nfc, bluetooth, nearby scanning, usage, applications and other stuff are different on different devices. You can't get the same SOT as others. Even on wifi if your celullar reception is bad you'll lose some SOT(especially if VoLTE is on).
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] sorin97:
Brightness auto, nfc off, bluethooth off,nearby scanning off. Volte off. Cellular reception is the signal for voice calls?

You are right. Can't get the same sot like others but i expect around the same sot. Plus minus 1 hour for example. As I said never managed to get past 6 hours
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Klaudas:
Cellular reception is for text messages(yea those still exist lol. Not just facebook messenger, whatsapp), mobile data, calls. It doesn't matter if you are using it or not if you have poor reception it will have impact on battery life. For example I like to travel and camp. There are areas in my country where you get 0 reception(can't even make a call or text someone) I see battery going down quickly. Almost 1min=1% if I'm doing something(for example taking videos, photos). In the city where cellular is perfect I can easily get 6-9hours (100 to 20-10%~) of SOT.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Megaman01:
What apps are you using? Snapchat is eating battery very fast and i bet other social media apps is too.

Maybe you can take screenshot from your battery usage and share it for us.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] sorin97:
I posted a few screenshots on page 38 as well.

Don't have snapchat. What you can see in the screenshots below is what I use the most
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Goku1992:
Strange mate... On WiFi i have 9+
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] RevengeFNF:
I have a Samsung A34 with One Ui 5.1 and i can't find the Suspend Cached Apps on developer settings.

That option is not enabled for every phone?
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] amirage:
I think the culprit is dual-sim. You can expect more drain when the dual sim is enabled even if there's no data for the second one. Try moving that sim to a secondary phone and see how your battery performs...Next, looking at your usage report..I don't think you have dud battery...you have achieved 4 hrs SOT with 57% battery used. Ceterus paribus, you should get another 3 to 3.5 hours of SOT until 0%
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] KosInUK:
hi

how do i turn off Google settings turn off Firebase

thank you
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] blackhawk:
Pull up your Google account in settings.

Go through all of them. It's near the bottom.

So much junk... damn technocrats suck.

It's a good idea to explore all the settings as you get the time. Lots of surprises.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] trevzv:
Can anyone help me understand what I can improve in battery performance?
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] blackhawk:
Take out the trash. Your 3rd party apps are sucking it down. Some of their usage is hidden and probably driving up Android services usage.

Try in safe mode to see how bad they are behaving.

Social media, shopping and banking apps should never be installed. Use browser login only for them with a secure browser like Brave.

Use manual brightness control and keep it as low as useful. Avoid using in direct sunlight.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] JonasVFC:
I took this, enabled some apps I use and transformed it into a script https://github.com/ramalhovfc/s23-debloater

Use at your own risk
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] bodomfan:
Sent a screenshot of battery use please
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] bodomfan:
Did it work
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] bodomfan:
Wow how did you achieve this
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Ipse_Tase:
Looking for some ideas, suggestions as I'm fresh out of things to try.

After the September security patch last week, my phone started to use 8x more battery in deep sleep than before. ( I always wipe cache after any update, run App Booster)

I factory reset the phone (what a PITA to get everything back, even with a full backup) and nothing changed.

You might tell me that it's an app (I was traveling, so didn't install / update anything besides the patch), so I put the phone in safe mode and the same drain happened.

20% in 7 hrs without data or wifi, 5 bar signal. This used to be 2-3% before.

The battery drain in use (screen on) is normal, excellent I would say.

Device care does NOT report any app whatsoever consuming battery when that 20% drain occurs in safe mode. Neither does Accubattery when in normal mode, so it's the system/hardware doing it.

Help?
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] blackhawk:
Probably a cloud app even though it's in airplane mode; it keeps polling preventing a deep sleep state. Try temporarily disabling Google play Services, Google backup Transport is one of its dependencies.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Ipse_Tase:
Will try that overnight 👍

What puzzles me is the amount of battery used in "deep sleep"....guess it's not that deep anymore.

And I was happy as a pig in s.. before this update 😡
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] blackhawk:
Depends if you need Google backup, I don't. Disable Google Framework and Backup Transport if you don't use Google backup. Playstore is another I disable and OTA updates.

Google Firebase is another one if you don't use it, all Google/manufacter/app/carrier feedback as well. Even with all the above disabled, temporarily disabling Google play Services will yield another 1% or so an hour SOT.

Note: Gmail is a dependency of Google play Services. Gmaps needs it for some functions.

I don't update or upgrade, this is one reason why.

A fast, stable platform that fulfills its mission is all that matters. When you screw with the firmware you change the playing field for better or all too often worse. Arbitrarily doing updates/upgrades is a losing proposition as far as I'm concerned.

This stock N10+ is still running quit well on Pie; last update was 11.2019, last factory reset was over 3 years ago. No malware since the last reset. Even on an old battery rated at about 3500 mAh it's getting about 10 hours SOT. I like that.

Anything from Android 9* and above is relatively secure unless you do stupid things.

*there was a huge hole in Android 12 (if memory serves me correctly) when first released but they quickly patched it. If it ain't broke don't upgrade it🤣
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] pratik_193:
Try installing GSAM battery monitor, grant all permissions via ADB, keep it overnight and in morning check whats sucking your battery.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] _GRIZZLY_:
I agree with your sentence about updates but S23U are still very fresh device and in my opinion last version fabric OS (A13 here) will be the best perfected.

Like in your N10+ where last updated was novmber, so have few updates from launch.

But in the other side it's little strange why samsung update 2x bootloader in few mounths since it's release. So like know this blocks install previous versions
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] EtherealRemnant:
It's Battery Guru.

Battery Guru shows app drain. It seems pretty clear to me that the screen is the issue since Chrome is so high (see screenshot below).

Not that I can see.

I will say though... 1% per hour standby drain is half what my Pixel 7 Pro uses so it may all even out in the end anyway. I'll give it time. It's still the first 24. It's just disappointing seeing all the claims of crazy battery from everyone else.

Preliminary full battery estimation for SoT is something I can live with, it's just not as good as I expected.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Paul_Deemer:
I don't use Chrome at all it's disabled. I use Samsung Internet Browser since the S20U.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Thanos88:
Google chrome is

Google chrome is sucking battery life the most. There was a recent update that caused the battery drain issue on chrome. I have the same issue on my rog phone 6. Disable Google chrome, clear data and force stop it. Stick to Samsung Internet
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] EtherealRemnant:
Well I won't use Samsung's browser so I guess I am gonna get Brave again. Still though, that doesn't explain all the drain.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Thanos88:
Doesn't explain all the drain but chrome is playing a part. I suggest you get Gsam Battery Monitor, enable adb permissions and share your battery graph
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] EtherealRemnant:
Yeah I grabbed Gsam and I'll be back in 24 hours with it. Phone is charging right now so I'll be able to get the whole picture.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Thanos88:
Perfect 👍 be sure to enable adb permissions for battery stats, that's how you'll be able to find the battery draining issue
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] EtherealRemnant:
Yup, I did so.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Paul_Deemer:
My latest battery result 100% to 15%
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Thanos88:
Very nice, did you use 120hz + WqHD + performance (standard) mode?
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Paul_Deemer:
(WQHD, 120hz, Standard) Facebook and Messenger installed as only social media apps and no Games yet. But Netflix, Prime, HBO Max, Paramount+ and Disney+ installed for movies. Everything is Stock with no root.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] EtherealRemnant:
... mine is definitely defective. You are even using the AOD which I shut off completely since I use my watch for notifications. Then you're watching streaming video while I've watched none.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Paul_Deemer:
Well before you send it back might want to factory reset. Install just a couple things to play around with and kill time and see how battery life is then. If it's like mine install some more apps. Maybe there something messed up that will fix itself with a reset. We all using the same chipset and battery.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] eyeatoma:
Wow that is insane! How are you getting that crazy battery life? Can you share your stats please? WQHD+ is being used? 120hz refresh rate? I feel like I saw you switched off 5G, and location. Anything else you turned off?
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Paul_Deemer:
Using WQHD, Adaptive Smoothness, Adaptive Brightness, Adaptive Battery, Standard Power, 5G mobile Off and using LTE instead. Other than that it's all Stock without Root. But I am Deaf so I don't use voice calling, just text and data. When I did that test today it was all 5G WiFi for data with Mobile Data off cause I was at home.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] EtherealRemnant:
I didn't restore anything from backup. I know from past experience (I've been at the Android game since the HTC Hero in 2009) that restoring to a new device is problematic. I only installed the bare minimum of apps that I use. I actually significantly downsized from my Pixel 7 Pro that had all the banking apps I use too (as someone with 25 credit cards, it's a lot lol - I went down to 3 apps in favor of the websites for the rest). I'll give it a few days. Regardless of battery, I'm going to keep it, I'm just disappointed right now because everyone was hyping it up lol
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Paul_Deemer:
Well I haven't had any problems setting up my phone with Smart Switch. I used Smart Switch to setup my S22U when I upgraded from S20U and then I used it again going from S22U to S23U. Haven't done a factory reset on any of the 3 phones either and haven't had any problems and my battery life is awesome. So until I have an issue I'll just keep on using Smart Switch when I upgrade phones. Just Lucky to not have any problems I guess?
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] EtherealRemnant:
Maybe I needed to use Smart Switch? LoL. But I don't want to set my watch up again. I hate the fact you have to factory reset the Galaxy Watch to move to a new phone. It didn't restore all my settings either and of course, gave me the option to reset and try again...

I do know from my OnePlus 9 that part of its proprietary backup is battery settings, so it's quite possible your already optimized apps were still optimized as part of the Smart Switch and it's just going to take time for mine to do the same.

Regardless, I'm enjoying the experience too much to get rid of it, I just was hoping for 1 1/2-2 days battery instead of 2 hours on the charger every day but again, the S23U can charge in just over an hour, so it's just really not as big of a compromise as the switch from the OnePlus 9's 30 minutes to 100% to the Pixel 7 Pro's 2+ hours was... And I still managed with that.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] gCloud:
What does Accubattery report the battery capacity as?
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Ipse_Tase:
I have Accubattery, l'll give GSAM a try, have used it in the past.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Ipse_Tase:
Guess wut....didn't do anything 😡

Same 20%drain overnight, this time in aeroplane mode and DND on.

Losing my mind.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] blackhawk:
Not pleased with Google Android since 9. Draconian Apple bs like scoped storage. Done more to undermine trusted legacy apps than anything else I think.

Android 13, 14? Gookill is still trying to clean up the mess they made starting with 11.

Not putting any bets on Android 13 or 14 panning out well; Android 12 didn't...

On the same hardware I'd like to see a side by side comparison between 9, 10-13. See who the real speed demon is. Scoped storage has to be weighing down especially after Android 10.

Eventually I'll do some test of my two N10+'s and see which one runs the best and gets better SOT.

Probably will be the one on Android 9 however the Android 10 variant still isn't fully optimized and may need a factory reset due a minor goof up I made. No big deal but a test now wouldn't be valid... so when I feel like it. More out of curiosity as I'm not touching the firmware on either.

Not sure those updates I made were a good plan.

There were two. My other N10+ remains on it's factory load of Android 10.

Conclusion: not worth it unless there's something specific you need on the update.

Yes, yes now you see some of the Samsung chicanery. Samsung's been doing upgrades to lock you out of the bootloader since at least 2016. The last Samsung firmware update for Kitkat did that and nothing else.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] blackhawk:
Something might have gotten corrupted or is incompatible. Back up everything (don't use SmartSwitch) and do a factory reset if you can't find it*. Otherwise you may be beating yourself over the head for nothing.

Generally updates don't need it but upgrades should be factory reset.

This is exactly why I leave the firmware alone. Malware has never cost me even close to as much time and grief as firmware updates have.

It may not even be a big issue maybe just the wrong setting buried deep somewhere but it will still suck time out of you like a vampire to find it... if you can.

*Try clearing the system cache if you haven't already.

Try a network reset.

Try turning off Developer options then turn back on to clear it.

Look through all the settings carefully, maybe you missed something. If it's happening in safe mode it's likely a Google or Samsung system app that's responsible for it.

You need to either use a ladb/adb edit or Package Disabler to kill Google backup Transport. Turning it off may not be enough.

A logging firewall can give you clues to what the cause is. See what's sending the data at night.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Ipse_Tase:
Aha, got the culprit. I assume the dumb carrier made modem changes (or Scamsung did and it affected my carrier) - the drain comes from using LTE (or VoLTE which I can't configure anymore).

I set the phone to WCDMA /GSM (4G) and the drain is gone.

Examples showing when I made the change and it immediately flattened the curve, the normal deep sleep etc.

All this in normal mode (not safe mode) and no data /wifi.

Now, can I find a rational human being at the carrier tech support team to explain the issue and ask them to test next time the impact of an update.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] blackhawk:
Have advanced tech support at your carrier do a reset on their end.

Then reset to default values, clear SIM toolkit data, network reset and reboot.

See if that gets it...
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] AwesomeARC:
Is this good or something draining....
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] NLQuantumFluxx:
Can someone confirm this is normal/bad? I feel like I get crap battery life out of this phone, even with airplane mode on. I always see posts of people getting 8hr Sot the most I've ever managed is 6hr30.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Klaudas:
38% left and 5hours SOT is pretty good. You can't compare directly your sot to other people. They are not using their phone same as you, they don't have same exact apps inside their phone, they don't live in your area(cellular strength), they don't use same settings as you.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] NLQuantumFluxx:
Yeah I get that for sure, I just always thought it was weird that even with airplane mode on so completely ignoring cellular I can never get above 6hr30. Maybe it's cause I use a lot of social media apps? Not sure. But glad it seems good haha, appreciate it
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Klaudas:
Most people who achieves 7-8hours of SOT discharges to 10-20%. I'm pretty sure you can reach 7-8hours of SOT if you discharge to 10% for example.

And yea social media apps are huge battery drainers.