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[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
I even went LTE only (which strangely sometimes still falls back to HSDPA, but 2G/5G is off), and yeah reception is very strong. But it should be tuned differently with display off. Also it has three modes for reception and I already chose the lowest power one.

Magic 5 Pro, really hard to guess battery life. The magic 5 lite really aced it according to dxomark but the magic 4 pro was nearly as bad as Vivo x80 Pro.

Dxomark not publishing battery results for magic 5 pro could mean it's not as good as Honor would have hoped for. I don't believe in dxomark doing tests differently but I do believe they do share exactly with sponsors how they will test so Honor can adapt the camera to the test protocol, or they ask honor if they should it should not publish a test.

I'm sure the BOE screen actually isn't as good as a properly calibrated E6, but Honor creating a very accurate color profile for two different brightness levels vs other producers just roughly adjusting it will gain them lots of points.

But of course it's still valuable to have a great calibration. Apple is doing the same.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
Xiaobai has the first a litte bit more in depth hands on - and the Magic 5 destroys the X90 Pro Plus outright on battery life- however Magic 5 Pro is not in the hands on for battery life.

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6:01 hours for X90PP

7:50 hours for 5100mah Magic 5 (

yeah I don't put too much value in Xiaobai battery life - because it's stuff like benchmarks and games continously. But according to Xiaobais comments it actually performed even better than other phones during this time - equallin Rog 6 6000mah battery life times but games stuttering - so not optimized well yet.

The sound quality of the Magic 5 Pro really sounds good - there is a comparison with Iphone 14 Pro and it sounds much better - but yeah Xiaobai is always a bit loyal to Huawei/Honor so better wait for real reviews.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Supreme_One:
I wish I could understand what he's saying is there any translator for the subtitles? Are there any other battery tests where the Magic 5 Pro is compared to S23 Ultra or iPhone 14 Pro Max?
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
Use Google translate it will translate the subtitles if you show them with the radio like looking button.

And not much info like any hands on, reviewers aren't allowed to talk much meaningful stuff.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Supreme_One:
Why are they not allowed to talk? Because the software is not finished yet?
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
It's always that way with hands on. You get a long list what you are allowed to talk about and what not.. basically just advertisement
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] vendetta17:
Differences are big if you ask me . Turns out that the Magic 5 Pro its a overhyped product , camera wise . Just like the s23 Ultra .

Cant believe my eyes how bad the ultrawide lens its on the Honor
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
Honestly I haven't expected a wonder. The only interesting part is the fast shutter speed. That's something I miss on the vivo because the most pics of my kids are a bit blurred compared to the pixel 7 pro i had before. Even with the sport mode it's a lot behind pixel.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Supreme_One:
What about the bad software of the Vivo?
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
Its not that bad. MIUI is worse by a lot.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Supreme_One:
Nah I've seen many I used to work in a phone shop for many years. EMUI/Magic OS is superior to others
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
Used to work at a shop and use a phone for some minutes isn't significant. Buy them and use them as daily driver for some days or even better weeks.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
yep that's when you notice the real difference between one OS that is stable like EMUI or one that every week again needs to reset some apps, has some bugs like Origin OS.. One where you can replace the launcher without any problem, one where it reminds you every few days about replacing the launcher or reminds you every few days to switch of development mode (Origin OS). One where the power saving mode does what it's supposed to - while the other power saving or dark mode or vibration mode ruins the notifications and other things. One with an AOD that works, one with an AOD that works only for a few select apps...

One that gets regular security updates vs one where you can be happy if they ever arrive...

There isn't even a competition on the OS side. It's Vivo and Xiaomi fighting for who can do it worse but Honor/Huawei is way ahead. As is Samsung, Nothing Phone, Google or even prison cage Apple.

Xiaomi and BBK try to take the worst aspects from apple and merge them it onto Android....

To sad LG doesn't exist anymore and Oneplus got destroyed by BBK...
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] vendetta17:
I used both Xiaomi and Vivo . No competition for my taste , i prefer Vivo's OS way better .
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
same, i don't have any complain from both. All notifications are fine to me.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] cozzysa:
I did my research before ordering my x90pp. And I couldn't be happier, all my apps work, including google pay and notifications and even my work outlook and teams for business which require some admin privileges on the phone. Glad I got this over the overpriced s23 ultra. Which in the end is worse than the x90pp in camera performance.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Haskren:
Vivo wipes the floor with the Honor 5.

No surprise. Big sensor and awesome lenses/processing. For photography, it's the one to beat. What a brilliant phone.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] vendetta17:
Turns out that the companies that invested most in marketing last years ( Honor and Samsung) dissapoint this year camera wise . The Honor more , the Samsung less . But still a disappointment .
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
Your shooting yourself in your foot. No other company lately shelled out as much on marketing as Vivo for the x series... The soccer world cup and a lot lot of other places were plastered with advertisment for Vivo x90....

Samsung and Honor spent peanuts in comparison... Or is this what you want to say?
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Haskren:
Yes, the Vivo was advertised at the World Cup, but I have not seen it advertised anywhere in the UK. On the contrary, not a single day in my life passes at the moment without being exposed to the S23U on the internet, tv and even radio. Absolutely insane how much they are pushing the fake narrative that it's a revolution in mobile photography.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] vendetta17:
I dont know were you live . Every single day i get out for a walk i see Samsung everywhere . On street panels . When at home i see Samsung advertised on every single tv channel . I hear about Samsung on radio when in car . I live in a smaller European country . When i was living in UK it was everywhere aswell ,imagine the costs for all European coutries alone , not talking other continents. I never saw Vivo advertised in my country , extremely rare in other European countries i lived in .

World cup or not , i would bet one finger that Samsung and Honor spends incomparably more money than Vivo does to advertise their phones .
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
Tech websites mainly for Samsung what I've seen except on launch day. Those are relatively cheap. The world cup is the most expensive advertisment venue that exists (Superbowl is a single evening). I live in Taiwan over winter and vivo had much more adverts here vs s23U and that with the x90pro and x90 basically not sold anywhere and list price for x90 pro being more than s23plus which is ridiculous.

And during that time they even plastered tv stations for 3 weeks all while the device wasn't even available (only preorder in China)...

If vivo wouldn't belong to BBK I would have expected them to go bankrupt on that campaign seeing their market share which is mainly made up by budget phones in India and China..

And vivo basically only sells phones (their audio products are a thing of the past). Xiaomi or Samsung sell your full household (Xiaomi in China only) so them advertising one product will give a lot of cross sells to other products...

But back on topic:

Honor Magic5 Pro review

The Honor Magic5 Pro is yet another interesting flagship cameraphone to come to the global markets. It will be remembered for its unique design, premium...

m.gsmarena.com

The battery life is pretty bad. Kinda same drain as x90pp only that it has 10% better battery life due to 10% larger battery.

Why so far have all except Xiaomi 13 pro and S23u skipped out on fast connect 7800, and seemingly all but Samsung on x70. Has Qualcomm increased their prices so much? (I don't know what Motorola did. Their 8gen2 device has very little information outside China but it's very cheap so likely big compromises too).
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Clark Joseph Kent:
Thread Cleaned.

And let us be nice and play nice shall we, I will ask you to review the Forum Rules again:

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[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] SSKYEDG:
Now I will take magic5pro to talk about the use experience. First of all, the charging speed is no different from that before, because my last mobile phone is meta40pro, which is very good for taking photos. However, after taking a photo in the disaster year, you can immediately enter the photo album to check it, and you will find the photo processing process. The capture function is very useful, and you can maliciously take many moments when you have no time to react; The signal is good, which is very good compared with the iPhone, but the personal feeling is still poor compared with the Huawei Meta40pro. It is very useful to control the display direction by staring at the screen and following the viewing angle rather than following the angle held. It is said that the function of watching and clicking will be updated in the future. The battery life is very good, and the use of high intensity video can reach 8 hours
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Haskren:
Disaster year?
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] SSKYEDG:
Yes, Qualcomm charges a very high fee, and last year red rice K50 was criticized by Qualcomm for using MediaTek chips and even executives were punished
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] hoss_n2:
Unfortunately you are wrong Actually & according to Qualcomm all flagships except samsung feature WiFi 7 & FastConnect 7800

Leading Wi-Fi 7 Momentum at MWC Barcelona

As the Wi-Fi 7 era dawns, Qualcomm Technologies is again poised as the world’s leading wireless technology innovator; working with our global ecosystem of partners and driving the transition to the next generation of Wi-Fi.

www.qualcomm.com
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
But they clearly don't. Fast connect 7800 supports wifi 7 which most don't. that and ant+ is the difference to 6900. I know the press statements but the features clearly aren't supported. Those with wi-fi 6e maybe enable them later? X90PP doesn't even have 6e.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
Tovi works has the absolute best reviews on YouTube for me. Too bad he doesn't extend them to software (except camera) and it's hardware only reviews.

The included case is just like I would like for x90pro+ but cannot find. Camera protection and airpockets in a small compact design (no portruding air pockets).

The cooling is super poor but it only matters if you gane (no one reported overheating from camera use yet). So for non gamers like me (and likely most x90pro plus buyers as for gaming others are still clearly better) it doesn't matter.

Camera clearly has some pros and cons (and yeah it's adapted right for dxomark testing - dxomark is objective but they allow sponsors to get their test protocol so they can optimize just for it. Which matters mainly for camera and display. The audio and battery is hard to design for the test without generally hitting.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] hoss_n2:
All of them Xiaomi, Vevo , Honor & OnePlus all announced that they will enable it via software update once it is ready, all except Samsung unfortunately.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
I've only seen this announcement for Xiaomi. Could you please link it up for Vivo?
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Robert235:
I had the mi11 ultra for 2 years and the software is much better than my Vivo 90 pro+. Sometimes when I launch an app from home screen, it crashes and may require a data clear to run. The phone app is very buggy, sometimes answering calls is impossible and the call IU screen is stuck until the incoming call is declined or when the person hangs up. When I end the call, it is a 5 sec delay until it ends. The most recent update seems to make it worse.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
I don't have any of the mentioned issues. It's super stable for me. The only bug i have is notification bug in dark mode and some minor visual animation bugs.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Robert235:
This phone checks so many boxes. But this issue, been going on since last month. So far, I haven't had any animation bugs.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
When the notifications change their rows you'll see the bug in the corners i have marked.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] jericho246:
Has anyone heard anything new regarding Honor Magic5 Pro release date? I know it's already out in China. But what about EU release?
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Robert235:
Some sites say Q2 2023 or march 31. My Chinese version is coming on Wednesday.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Robert235:
My looks like that never noticed it.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
Check my attachment. It happens when they're changing the row.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] jericho246:
Bruh you bought the Chinese version? Why? You're gonna have to use **** like GBox or GSpace if you care about Google apps.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
Probably because it's cheaper. Afaik the global version will be available mid April.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Robert235:
I found that out super late that, I thought it was like this phone and xiaomi with sideloading the Google services apk. I though huawei was the only company with the google services headache
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Robert235:
that's bad, so far I didn't come across that
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] jericho246:
Ouch! Yeah, I read Honor's Chinese variants still use some Huawei code in their software, and for that reason sideloading GMS isn't possible. Very unfortunate.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Robert235:
yikes, I guess two years wasn't enough to remove the code. I'll see when i get it.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] wolfgang212:
i have both s23 ultra and x90 pro+ and for battery life, s23 ultra kills it, it gives at least 30% more battery life, vivo consumes insane in idle, i lose 9-10% per night while samsung 2-3% only, a lot are complaining about this and i don't know why it happens since the difference should be 5% max between their battery life.

Stop using accubattery for screentime and use built-in digital wellbeing , accubattery shows about 50% more screentime than i actually get , i get max 7 hours+ of screen on vivo with most of the time on wifi and 10-15% battery left while samsung easily tops 10 hours .

For everything else i'd choose vivo everyday but someone screw something really bad in the battery department and next time phone for sure won't be vivo if they can't provide at least 10 hours of screentime
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
Wait a minute.. you are aware that vivo has a 4700mah battery only? I mean that's not a big difference but people shouldn't forget that. When I'm checking with digital wellbeing i have at the end of the day about 6h SOT and still about 35% battery left with my usage. With S23 it was a bit better but i never used it as daily so I can't give you exact results.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] wolfgang212:
haha weren't you the guy claiming 9-10 hours screentime?so you realized that accubattery is lying to you nicely.

Yes 6 hours seems about right with 35% remaining.

Between 5000 and 4700mah is a 7% difference so you would expect samsung to offer 10% more battery life at best(which is the logic i based my purchase upon) but is giving more than 30% battery life which shows vivo screw it big time somewhere considering same CPU and same energy friendly display.

P40 pro with 4200 mah gave me same screentime as vivo on a 7nm cpu.

I'd sell vivo and buy a p60 pro which i'm sure will be better in most regards than vivo if i find some viable google hack but problem is nobody knows about vivo here so likely won't even sell it at half of its price and i can't stick with s23 ultra either as besides better battery life it sucks in most other places.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
Yep when I try to use my phone more than usually (use for work included) i have about 9-10h SOT with 50/50 Wifi and Data usage. (4G and 5G)

When I'm at home and do nothing than using my phone it would be even more but i never tried that because I don't have the time.

Im not sure but i think i never used Accu battery. I don't like it's ugly overlay so i took different apps and also digital wellbeing as reference. The difference was about +-10min when I checked that.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] lemonade747:
hi, how to check the SoT using digital wellbeing? The interface is very confusing, so I couldn't find out where to look at. Could you please to take the screenshot of where I need to look at as the SoT? Thank you!
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
Click here and then you'll see the usage time. It's almost the same as SOT, when I check with my other phones.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] lemonade747:
Thank you so much for that!
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] mbfamily:
Does anyone know whether the Magic5 Pro can be rooted?
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
It cannot. Only Xiaomi and OnePlus can be rooted for china OS.

Otherwise Samsung and google and I guess nothing phone too.

That is if you don't find an exploit.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] jericho246:
Honor Magic5 Pro pre-orders open on April 18th (in France at least). However the phone can already be ordered on Gomibo. They ship to many European countries.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] mbfamily:
Looks like it's launching globally now: https://www.gsmarena.com/honor_magic5_pro_launches_in_the_uk-news-58200.php

But I'm not sure if I should buy a Chinese phone that is not rootable, even if it has global/EU software. Maybe wait for the Xiaomi 13 Ultra...
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] jericho246:
Xiaomi 13 Ultra will probably cost around 1500€ though :(
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
But likely only 950 Euro or so in China without band 20. And with Xiaomi you can unlock and install xiaomi.eu ROM so you're not stuck without major Android upgrade, without security upgrades and with spyware of one of the crippled China OS.

The big question that remains this year is what about Tensor 3. Will it be built on Samsung 3nm with GAA and can this node fulfill it's promise? If so there will be a phone with great battery life and performance, great software (I don't get those complaints about features missing which are usually all about launcher or software not hardware settings/options that you cannot add) and as always with google a great camera.

Or just wait for Xiaomi 13 Ultra to drop in price. Unlike apple, google and Samsung introductiory offers (which need at least half a year to be matched) Xiaomi in Europe always dropped in price quickly.

And yeah I wouldn't even buy another phone with China OS and root. Who knows what the OS does once you remove the obligatory spyware or heck even try to fully remove the China notifications system. I would prefer a global OS by Chinese manufacturer without root by a long way. If Honor has the same settings menu as Huawei in the past at least you get everything you need for enabling/disabling hardware components and a very good settings structure that is not unlogical and stacked like origin OS

(and yeah you can use stock android settings on origin OS but then many points with customary Integrations like battery are empty/non responding while others kick you into the horrible origin OS settings structure and stock settings have no search function. Still it's the only way to configure VPN or other stuff that vivo just removed from their settings)
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] mbfamily:
However, if you can root the phone, you can (theoretically) identify any spyware. Which is why I think manufacturers that allow rooting are more trustworthy.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
Well with Adguard log or similar and always on VPN (which exists on X90pp but is hidden) it's pretty easy without root to at least find the app that sends the data out. And with app ops and dumpsys you can find the apps that may collect data.

At least as long as we easily know which apps are the only ones that have legitimate connections with China (system update). So far there is no assumption they route spyware via US or EU servers.

And even if some are too stubborn to see a difference, there is a huge difference to privacy if just metadata is collected (EU/US approach so far) or actually all content of phone calls, messages and maybe even more (like passwords or content of your safe folder) as on China OS. And yeah the EU and their quest for messenger messages goes right in the direction of what is happening with a China OS, but so far luckily no law has even made it into EU parliament / US congress for voting. Should that happen the situation will again be different.

Even with root you could not help it if say origin OS decides to stop working as soon as you remove the spyware with root. Examples we have enough remove messages, phone or appstore or vivo account on origin OS and each will blow up certain functions. We cannot know what would happen with root if we managed to remove com.vibo.abe and push.notifications and the other 2-3 spyware apps. Quite likely at least after root becomes public next update will just brick the phone before you then reinstall the spyware.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] mbfamily:
Without root you can't even be sure that all data is routed through the VPN. Data could also be sent by the system itself or the system could be manipulated to allow some apps to access data without Android permissions. Without root you can never be sure.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
I'm pretty sure that for right now on Origon OS the hidden only allow traffic through VPN option is working. I checked for traffic outside of it but it seemed fine. Various Vivo apps complain then about no internet so system so far does not circumvent this setting.

Vivo just chose to hide it from their normal settings menu but didn't tamper/remove it. They did that to some other security related settings too. It's always easier to just hide somethin in UI than to actually remove it because then on each android upgrade / security upgrade they would need to check back. Just removing an UI element will usually survive quite long as android is pretty stable on such things and doesn't just rename the hooks.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] jericho246:
TechTablets whose reviews are always very informative & valuable, just uploaded their full review of the Magic5 Pro
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] mbfamily:
How did you check for traffic outside of it? On Wifi you can check the traffic through your router, but on mobile data that would be quite hard to do. The Linux kernel could easily create a virtual network interface that would route spyware data around the VPN when mobile data is turned on.

I'm not saying Vivo is doing this. I don't think they need to. As long as they sell the phone in China only, they don't need to use any "advanced" spying tactics or even hide it, cause everyone knows the spyware is there anyway.

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