yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Google Pixel 7 Pro] V0latyle:
Lied about what, though?

Verizon Pixels can be used on other networks once they're carrier unlocked. Carrier lock =/= bootloader lock, and 99% of the time when a device is advertised as "unlocked" this is what it means.

They didn't lie about anything, and you can't hold a company legally liable for something a technically illiterate CSR said.

Neither Google nor Verizon advertises ANY device as specifically "bootloader unlockable". This case wouldn't see a hearing, much less a jury. Plus, any case against a large corporation only works when there's some formidable legal firepower behind it. No lawyer will touch this without a sizeable retainer. Attorneys rarely care about who wins, they only care about getting paid, and class action lawsuits generally means there's significant potential for a very large settlement.

I'm not defending Verizon or Google here, I'm just being realistic. There's a lot of ideas flying around here, but these are the requirements that have to be met:

There has to be evidence of deception or other wrongdoing

The alleged fault has to have caused measurable injury

The claimant(s) have to have competent legal representation who are willing to go up against billionaire corporate lawyers

None of these are satisfied by "I think Google lied because they said their device is unlockable and I meant bootloader when they really meant carrier".

I'm not a defeatist, again I'm just a realist. OP won't be able to get any competent law firm to take this case, especially not pro bono, so it's not going to go anywhere.
[Google Pixel 7 Pro] simplepinoi177:
I completely agree with this...

*EDIT: It seems you addressed a bunch of what I put forth in this post as I was drafting this, so apologies if much had been addressed by you already in the above post; didn't get it in fast enough ;)*

I believe the "injury" in this case is because the OP feels duped that, after speaking with numerous contacts represented by the company & Google, felt assured that the device could be bootloader unlocked, when most likely all the representatives had the term "unlocked" in terms of carrier-unlocked in mind. He then tried to get Verizon or Google to switch a unlocked or bootloader-unlocked variant with him to appease his grievance under false advertisement, which they wouldn't honor -- "injury" in that he's stuck with a device he's unsatisfied with that they wouldn't replace under "false advertisement or misleading information".

But a class action will be a near impossible hard row to hoe because; one, it'll be near impossible to prove that either/both Verizon & Google purposefully mislead inquirers about Verizon variants being bootloader-unlocked-capable vs. just plain ignorance and two, it's not like information on this isn't long established & easily available with the minimal bit of research on the subject (outside of inquiring from ignorant reps) so I wonder how unavoidable the "injury" one can make the claim on -- especially towards a judge against a full on corporate team of lawyers arguing against it. Also, OP makes the claim that it is confusing (or misleading depending on how you look at it) that at many cases (supposedly in Verizon [although I have my doubts on that one], but in other US carriers) SIM/carrier unlocking (which usually takes paying off the device and/or waiting a certain period of time) is enough to unlock the bootloader, so why shouldn't the Pixel or other devices on Verizon?

All in all, it's like everyone says in here; seems quite impossible or completely unlikely to make headway in a class-action sense...
[Google Pixel 7 Pro] justDave:
XDA - come for tech help, stay for the free legal advice
[Google Pixel 7 Pro] mavssubs:
How to Sue Verizon Wireless in Small Claims Court - Consumer Rights Information

Here's how to sue Verizon Wireless in Small Claims Court. You'll have to put in some time and effort. But there's another way to sue without leaving your couch.

fairshake.com

They'll unlock your bootloader, start it this way, I never have an issue every time I get a new phone. They just have to remove the IMEI from Google for locking, which is a rather quick process. Then post here so everyone drools over what's not capable. 😭
[Google Pixel 7 Pro] Lughnasadh:
Just to be clear, a class action lawsuit is basically no different than a lawsuit brought by an individual except for the number of claimants involved. Of course, a court has to certify the class based on the criteria outlined in FRCP Rule 23. Whether it be a class action lawsuit or an individual lawsuit, the elements needed to be proved doesn't change.

Which brings me to a cause of action. I've heard people mention you need to show this or that, but no one has mentioned a specific cause of action. The elements needed to be proved depend on the specific cause of action you are using. For example, if we are talking about fraudulent misrepresentation, then you generally need to show by a preponderance of the evidence that 1) A representation was made, 2) the representation was false, 3) the representation, when made, was either known to be false or made recklessly without knowledge of its truth, 4) the representation was made with the intention that the other party rely on it, 5) the other party did, in fact, rely on the representation, and 6) the other party suffered damages as a result of relying on the representation.

If we are talking about negligent representation, then the elements would be different. For false advertising, another set of elements would be needed to be proved. If it is another cause of action, you need to prove the specific elements attached to that specific cause of action.

Also, the OP hasn't talked about what remedy would be sought. Is this for monetary damages? Or for injunctive relief (e.g. making Google place labels on the box)?

As I've said before, but not in so many words, this whole thing about filing a class action lawsuit "for not printing on the Manufactures Box that the BOOTLOADER CANNOT EVER BE UNLOCKED whether or NOT You CARRIER UNLOCK the Device after the (60) Days of purchase" is ridiculous.
[Google Pixel 7 Pro] justDave:
Interesting. But I assume that the settlement will include a clause that says he can't tell anyone.
[Google Pixel 7 Pro] ipdev:
Years ago...

Mid to late 1990's

I was automatically included in a Class Action Lawsuit.

I do not remember the details but, since I had an account/subscription, I was included.

I got an email about a "Class Action Lawsuit" I was included in along with I think 2000 others?

I am sure it was the minimum amount to get the case filed.

About two years later, I got a check in the mail for $0.01 (USD)

Yes one US penny. 😛

Today's rate that would be..

0.01517 AUD | 0.01375 CAD | 0.06962 CNY | 0.00948 EUR | 0.00845 GBP

I assume the Law firm(s) got alot more out of the settlement than one US penny. 🙃

Cheers. :cowboy:
[Google Pixel 7 Pro] Lughnasadh:
Only if you consider a 30-35% contingency fee more than one US penny. 🙃
[Google Pixel 7 Pro] 96carboard:
About it being bootloader unlockable, when being directly ASKED. This is all outlined in OP.
[Google Pixel 7 Pro] V0latyle:
Is it a lie when they don't understand what you're asking about?

As @Lughnasadh pointed out, you'd be hard pressed to prove in court that the companies knowingly and intentionally misrepresented and/or misadvertised that their products are specifically bootloader unlockable.

But, this case wouldn't even make it to a hearing, let alone a trial. Any competent attorney would tell you they aren't going to help you pursue this. And even if you somehow did manage to convince some attorney there's money to be made here, they'd have to argue its worth to a judge, where the Google/Verizon corporate attorneys would just shrug and say "Our representatives were just talking about unlocking the device for use on another network, any misunderstanding isn't our fault". And the only thing that might change is that Google/Verizon issues guidance to their CSRs to say they can't assist with or support bootloader unlocking.

The issue here is that you're trying to prove that someone who clearly misunderstood you, told you something that you chose to interpret as something completely different, and they did so knowingly and maliciously in keeping with official corporate positions on the matter.

Even if you had thousands, potentially hundreds of thousands of dollars to try to convince an attorney to take this, they most likely wouldn't, and would simply take your money while giving you official legal counsel that no, this case isn't worth pursuing, because you don't have sufficient grounds.

I understand we live in a litigious society where common sense doesn't always win, but there's still rules that apply, and this idea is far outside them.
[Google Pixel 7 Pro] Lughnasadh:
In a case like this, if you are looking for monetary compensation, it would almost certainly be on a contingency fee basis so the claimants would not have to pay any attorney's fees, etc., unless they won or settled. This means it would be the attorneys who would have to put up all their resources upfront, hoping for a win or settlement, and in a case like this I highly doubt any would. I certainly wouldn't.

Of course you can always try to pursue the claim on a "regular" fee basis (if you don't mind using your own money), but even then an attorney would likely tell you that you really have no sufficient cause of action and/or will not likely succeed. And even if you did want to pursue the claim, there's a good chance it would be dismissed on a motion for summary judgement (or even possibly, but less likely, on a motion to dismiss based on FRCP Rule 12(b)(6)) (or the State equivalent) even before reaching trial.
[Google Pixel 7 Pro] 96carboard:
If they answer a question that they don't understand, then absolutely YES its a lie.
[Google Pixel 7 Pro] justDave:
Even if they only lie to close the sale? /s

Hey. Why not tell them you didn't understand you couldn't return the phone. I'm sure they'll understand. /s

Better yet, OP should stop wasting time here and file that arbitration claim.
[Google Pixel 7 Pro] 96carboard:
That makes it more concrete that its a lie, because it adds a MOTIVE (commission).
[Google Pixel 7 Pro] Lughnasadh:
No it's not. A lie is an intentional false statement with the intention to deceive.

The OP even said "The fact that you ask the Representative you purchase your device from, thinks you are talking about Carrier Unlock and dont know what a Bootloader even is, they state that "IT" can be Unlocked, meaning Carrier Unlocked." That is not a lie. That is a miscommunication or misunderstanding. There is a difference between that and intentionally trying to deceive (lying). The OP even admits that when the rep said "IT" can be unlocked, they were referring to being carrier unlocked.
[Google Pixel 7 Pro] Badger50:
Moderator Announcement ​

Greetings to all. After reading every post in this thread, I must say that I am quite impressed at the legal knowledge that many of you possess.

XDA truly has some gifted members, which I am not one of in the legalities sense.

Having said that, I must approach this topic as a Moderator "for" XDA. I must do so without passion or predjudice towards any member, so my decision is strictly based

on what the rules allow, and what they don't. In this case I am referring to XDA Rule #9 which states:

The highlighted part is where I think this type of recruitment for any Class Action suit ends here and now. XDA is a place for device hacking, community, and a sense of fun for a hobby

that we all enjoy or else we wouldn't be here. XDA is not, and should never be a place from which legal action originates against any OEM or carrier, whether we like them or not, which could lead to devastating legal ramifications against the site we all enjoy, and who wants that.

My apologies to those that I may have offended, and please feel free to PM me if you have any further discrepancies regarding my actions.

Best regards to all, and thanks for listening: Badger50

Thread closed​
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] JBZg1:
So sometimes i dont get signal

which causes Delayed in recieving text messages and sending text messages

and its hard to call someone when i have an important call to make i have to keep calling and calling

any help?

phone info..

ROM VERSION : 1.62.502.0

ROM date : 01/17/08

Radio version : 1.27.14.09

Protocol version : 22.45.88.07H
[Redmi Note 11 Pro+ 5G (peux)/POCO X4 Pro 5G (veux)] EddyXTrucks:
Greetings, I have the Redmi 11 Pro + 5G (pissarropro) with the Mediatek CPU. Is there any custom rooms or development for this device or is just a dead end?

Until now the only thing that I could do with this device is root but any other tutorials on page mostly don't apply.
[Redmi Note 11 Pro+ 5G (peux)/POCO X4 Pro 5G (veux)] NOSS8:
No or few development for Xiaomi with Mediatek processors,prefer Qualcomm socs.

Try here:

Community-funded MediaTek Support

We have launched a community-funded initiative to support select MediaTek Dimensity devices. The details are in the "About" section of the Patreon page: https://www.patreon.com/xiaomieu/about

xiaomi.eu
[Redmi Note 11 Pro+ 5G (peux)/POCO X4 Pro 5G (veux)] EddyXTrucks:
I know I'm late but, thanks for the suggestion
[Redmi Note 11 Pro+ 5G (peux)/POCO X4 Pro 5G (veux)] jazo_7:
hi, i'll tag on this thread to not spam a new one.

i have unlocked the bootloader on the device as on the update to 14.0.2 my wifi and BT stopped working so i thought to just roll back. But now i know it's a hardware issue and i'll send it to repair under warranty.

Can i lock the bootloader with adb oem lock, given i have not changed anything else on the phone?
[Touch HD Accessories] dhatw:
:eek: While trying out a Iphone case the sales rep remarked what was that? He looked on the floor and picked up my stylus. I did not even see it fall. It had gotten caught on the elestic sides of the case as he removed the HD from the case. I had actually thought about that very scenario and wondered if anyone has encountered the same problem. I can't for the life of me understand why HTC would put he stylus on the bottom when it is so easily pulled out by the action of removing it from the case.

dhatw.
[Touch HD Accessories] ed2004:
already lost the first piece on day 1 with the stupid pouch design. Now on spare and not able to buy standby piece yet - not available here in Southeast Asia.
[Touch HD Accessories] harondaddy:
Try this.... HD Stylus from Tiawan >> http://www.pdablast.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=661
[Touch HD Accessories] JanSchotsmans:
At first I thought you must be some rough mofo's to be able to accidentally pull the stylus out.

I have direct access to 4 HD's and seems that the strength of the magnet that pulls the stylus into the HD varies quite a bit between different devices.

With mine you have to exersize actual force to be able to remove it, with 2 of the units the magnet is just strong enough to hold the stylus in place and with the 4th unit it stays more in place because of the fit the stylus has in the hole then actual magnetic power.

Might be a nice mod to find the location of the magnet or magnetized metal in there and amp it a bit.

EDIT: ooh, forget about what I just said, a lil metal test with the stylus shows that the magnets aren't in the device but in the stylus.

Might be a good idea to put a stronger magnet in the stylus you have.
[Touch HD Accessories] rhyre:
stronger magnet doesn't damege device?
[Samsung Galaxy S20 FE ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, &] Revontheus:
Thanks for this. How is this different from ProjectX?
[Samsung Galaxy S20 FE ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, &] 3mel:
it's the continuation of ProjectX under a different name.
[Samsung Galaxy S20 FE ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, &] madadictromtester:
we did add few features different from ProjectX
[Samsung Galaxy S20 FE ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, &] GorranKurd:
Thanks for this rom what about emojis? Is there still the ugly ios emojis included? the only reason i revert back to stock from project x rom because i don't like anything that close to apple company -_-
[Samsung Galaxy S20 FE ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, &] madadictromtester:
hmm i have pre-applied script and i think they are copied but cant seem to find the difference. Anyway those can be changed very easily. You just have to download file browser and after granting access you can restore stock one
[Samsung Galaxy S20 FE ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, &] wh1tekn1ght:
Thanks for the rom!

Can it be simply flashed from a Odin flashed stock firmware? Or do we need to root, flash magisk, etc... First ?
[Samsung Galaxy S20 FE ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, &] rvngr:
Hello! @madadictromtester can i dirty flash over ProjectX_Snap4G_December5.0.zip ? thanks i love your roms!
[Samsung Galaxy S20 FE ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, &] bakert12:
Can you give more information about the rom? What android version is this based on 12 or 13?
[Samsung Galaxy S20 FE ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, &] Johnny Eng:
@madadictromtester Can i flash custom kernel over this rom? Thanks
[Samsung Galaxy S20 FE ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, &] duong7aty:
i cant add visa card into google wallet, what's problem?
[Samsung Galaxy S20 FE ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, &] Revontheus:
You need to use the Universal Safetynet Fix by Displax on Github instead of the default one from kdrag0n.

It would be safer to flash the latest Android 13 Firmware (you can get it on SamFW) via ODIN, then flashing this ROM to avoid issues.

You can, but Stock Kernel is already stable so I don't see the need for custom kernels.
[Samsung Galaxy S20 FE ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, &] Johnny Eng:
Hi i can't install any apk inside the system, there is no magisk etc. Please advise
[Samsung Galaxy S20 FE ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, &] rvngr:
the version mentioned is android 13...
[Samsung Galaxy S20 FE ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, &] nvthd94:
How to use rom on s20fe 5g korean version. I already have twrp. Thanks
[Samsung Galaxy S20 FE ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, &] Revontheus:
Yes, but Clean flashing helps you avoid issues. If you do not want to do it, suit yourself.
[Samsung Galaxy S20 FE ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, &] rvngr:
My question is for the @madadictromtester, youre part of their team? just to know, my question isnt about clean flashing, thats is obvious that avoid issues, my focus is to keep my data and my configs tks
[Samsung Galaxy S20 FE ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, &] ntoloza88:
good morning! What is the stock firmware used for this version? (TurboUI_Exy_5.1knox) is this the last?
[Samsung Galaxy S20 FE ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, &] to22ek:
Great rom. Using it few days and zero problems.
[Samsung Galaxy S20 FE ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, &] sujayc27:
Keep Going Guys 💝🥳
[Samsung Galaxy S20 FE ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, &] TurboRCT:
I'm very sorry but it's truly impressive how certain individuals in this thread have managed to exhibit a remarkable blend of ignorance and self-centeredness. Their behavior, while unique, does come across as rather foolish and selfish. But hey, to each their own, I suppose.
[Samsung Galaxy S20 FE ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, &] Revontheus:
I wouldn't pay these individuals any mind. They seem to have forgotten that developers on XDA don't work for them 😂. Keep up the great work.
[Samsung Galaxy S20 FE ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, &] TurboRCT:
Yeah idk either it's just frustrating sometimes. I'll definitely try to improve still thanks.
[Samsung Galaxy S20 FE ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, &] kevin.kvik:
HWH8 it's last fw from Samsung. Downgrade is not possible, otherwise I would of course flash the HWH5 fw.
[Samsung Galaxy S20 FE ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, &] kevin.kvik:
If you don't have a brain, I feel sorry for you, but you have to learn to live with it ;)
[Samsung Galaxy S20 FE ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, &] TurboRCT:
You're funny lmao
[Samsung Galaxy S20 FE ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, &] No47:
Did I get this right? By unwittingly flashing the most recent firmware ...HWH8 one cannot use TurboUI and by extension probably any of the other ROMs anymore?

And is this not a simple matter of waiting for the next version of TurboUI (or maybe a completely new iteration like ProjectX -> TurboUI)?

Seems to be a bit too much drama if it's just that...

Thanks!
[Samsung Galaxy S20 FE ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, &] TurboRCT:
No its just waiting for the next version lol
[Samsung Galaxy S20 FE ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, &] Roket Launcher Go:
I want to confirm something. I used S20 FE G780G with September Security Path and build G780GXXS7EWH8. i must used this version right ?

One more, do i need to flash disable DM force Encrypt to install TWRP ?

View attachment 6023760
[Samsung Galaxy S20 FE ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, &] Roket Launcher Go:
Done Installing Main zip Turbo UI but why i cant install Zest-FP-fix.zip using twrp ?

"Updater process ended with error :1 "
[Samsung Galaxy S20 FE ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, &] TurboRCT:
its a magisk module
[Samsung Galaxy S20 FE ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, &] raven2k4:
im on G780G, installed it using OrangeFox. and Snap V8 keeps looping (black screen then restart)
[Samsung Galaxy S20 FE ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, &] TurboRCT:
Well was it a clean install over the correct base?
[Samsung Galaxy S20 FE ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, &] raven2k4:
Yes, I installed the Orangefox, Wiped Data. Then Installed the rom. It went perfectly no errors. But when i reboot its black. So I went to Stock os again (locked the bootlaoder again). im on september sec patch now. EWH8 I believe. if u cn give me some instructions i will be glad. or should i wait for your next update?
[Samsung Galaxy S20 FE ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, &] senpaishinaide:
New user of S20 FE here. Immediately flashed this Rom and the experience is very satisfying. Although I can't compare it to the stock rom but compare to my Mi 10 Ultra the smoothness is very great. Thank you for this wonderful rom. Really love 865 chipsets. so battery efficient.
[Samsung Galaxy S20 FE ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, &] Revontheus:
Wait for the next update since you are on H8 firmware. Also, I recommend using TWRP over OrangeFox because it's updated.
[Samsung Galaxy S20 FE ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, &] QLink:
any1 any idea when next update is to be exptected ? Latest version i see on their website is from june ...
[Samsung Galaxy S20 FE ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, &] TurboRCT:
Sorry i kinda didnt have time yet to update the page you can find updates in this thread
[Samsung Galaxy S20 FE ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, &] Ahmad Rady:
Good work. Keep it up, bro
[Samsung Galaxy S20 FE ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, &] HarshGZ:
Hello there again

I want to use my college's google work profile in it.

But while setting it up it shows your device doesnt support encryption contact your it admin.

Is this a problem in this rom or some other setting needs to be modified in recovery or bootloader??

Or will work profile never work in my phone because of tripping knox??

Please do tell.

Thanks
[Samsung Galaxy S20 FE ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, &] Revontheus:
If you need those features, use stock ROM without root and relock your bootloader.
[Samsung Galaxy S20 FE ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, &] HarshGZ:
Nahh if i have to do that then i am good without work profile. I need to use secure folder and GOS to be removed too.

Guess i will stick with turboui then😁.
[Samsung Galaxy S20 FE ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, &] rvngr:
What is reccomended(steps) for a clean install the september version over the june version firmwire? Thanks!