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[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] aureum:
Yea i want to change it too how he did that?

Same here like in February after all OTAs i still have from 85% to 30% around 5 h SoT i would say +- 20 minutes.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Virgo_Guy:
Ok. Do you have 5G in your area or use it ? Just want to further understand if it's anything related the modem, bcoz June/July builds drain battery in mine(and I'm not alone) way more than prior builds. I'm a long term Samsung user, left no stones unturned troubleshooting this far.

"Good batterylife" with a lot of power saving measures seen from you. My concern is about June/July builds comparing to older builds without forgetting any factor related to the build itself.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] raul6:
I agree with you, whatever had to be patched in the last few builds , affected/reduced battery life under 5g and dual sim setup. As much as 20% my subjective assessment. On WiFi only it lasts forever it feels
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] olafsand:
My battery with latest version
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Klaudas:
Damn adguard eats a lot of juice. Are you using a lot of filters?
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] olafsand:
Yes
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] amirage:
It's not fair to compare iOS to Android. IPhones will always have an upper edge to Android simply because there's just one OS that's optimized for literally the same device over 3 years. Android is an entirely different ball game. It's far more intuitive and really makes a smart phone "smart". So, yes, iOS will have better standby times given that it rarely does anything smart when it's on standby unlike Android. However, among Android flavours one ui is better among the lot after vanilla Android and possibly offers a good tradeoff between customizability and heavy OS. You may want to visit the other forums here - colour OS, fun OS, miui...users are on the verge of insanity and the forums are literally war grounds...compared to them, ours is a serene park.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Big Bread:
Still having huge battery drain from aod overnight. I don't have aod enabled, nor do i ever use it. So I can't understand why it's draining my battery like this.

This only happens when my phone is in a dark environment (at night or when i put it into my pocket). Some help would be greatly appreciated to fix this. Thanks.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] ssj100:
I don't use 5G (disable it on purpose), so perhaps that could be the culprit for you?

Just to clarify my experiences, I've not noticed any significant difference in battery life. This applies to standby drain, light usage and heavier usage. I've refrained from commenting until now specifically about the July build, as I've only just done a day of what I would consider "heavier usage" since the July update. The result from this day was as impressive as I remember it with earlier builds - I clocked 4 hours 24 mins SOT (1 hour 20 mins was from GPS use) over a 9 hours 37 mins period. I also had AOD always enabled during this entire period. Battery went from 100% to ~60%, which is quite unbelievable if I hadn't observed that multiple times earlier this year.

I'm not aware of having any specific "power saving measures" enabled.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] olafsand:
August update is even better than previous
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] _GRIZZLY_:
Great. I really hope for fix battery life but for more real result need wait few days after update
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] 94burns:
I have the same, I wonder if it is to do with the proximity sensor.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Big Bread:
That was initially what i also suspected, so i went to developer settings and turned all sensors off, but it still continues when my phone is in a dark enrivonment. Check the screenshot to see that my sensors are always switched off from quicktiles
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Goku1992:
He uses hex installer app :) so you can change the Icons or Overall theme im using the aosp one
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] aureum:
Do I need to be rooted?
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Goku1992:
No shinzuku App or via adb :)
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] blackhawk:
Clear system cache.

Is anything disable via adb edits, etc?

Try turning AOD on, tap on setting. It should consume under .5% @hr

You say huge, how much overnight?

Google backup Transport and cloud apps are prime suspects. They will run in the background at night. Try temporarily disabling Google play Services at night, Google backup Transport, Playstore, Gmail are some of its dependencies.

Framework can also use a lot of power, Google backup Transport is a dependency of it.

Galaxy Battery Tracker may be helpful.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Virgo_Guy:
Basic noob-friendly suggestions/factors that I considered before going into doubting on June/July builds.

From February to May it was first an "U"(first) update with consecutive "S" security updates for the rest of the months till May, and then came the 2nd "U" update in "June build"- meaning a lot changed here inclusive of background systems. Core Processor(CP), i.e. modem updated multiple times as well. Probably because of these 2 scenarios 5G was draining a lot more than before in my case in June/July, but ofcourse users sticking to only 4G/Wi-Fi/powersaver were not able to notice if the issue was related to 5G only(Sub6 in my case).

The latest August build "AWGJ" is the 3rd "U" update "again"(changing big in the background) and not just an S update.

I flashed "AWGJ" build 3 days ago and surprisingly the battery issue got fixed immediately on its own.

In this whole scenario, the batterylife issue came from these the two June & July firmware builds(AWF3 & AWF9) in mine. Not from any other builds. Just because you couldn't/didn't use 5G(don't know if it was just related to Sub6), doesn't mean the builds didn't have issues. August's 3rd "U" build clearly fixed battery issues faced.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] pratik_193:
Did you ODIN the august update? or are you rooted?
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Virgo_Guy:
Flash "AWGJ" August build and check, it fixed in mine.

Follow this and see. You can also flash "AWGJ" and see if it helps.

ODIN flashed, not rooted.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Big Bread:
I clear system cache weekly. Doesn't help.

Yes, i've done a lot of debloating via adb. Approx. 160 services/apps disabled.

There was a screenshot attached to the post. It shows aod drained 4.1% overnight when i had aod disabled. Pls, reread the post and check the screenshot.

I don't do any backups, my only cloud app is gdrive and that doesn't do any syncing unless i manually do it. All automatic syncing is disabled.

This doesn't happen always. Actually, it hasn't happened since last saturday since i did some extra adb debloating. It just pops up once in a while and hammers my battery overnight. I'll keep an eye on it and see if it pops up again or if the adb debloating fixed it. Thx.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] blackhawk:
That's a real lot. Dependencies, dependencies, dependencies.

I disable about 70 on my N10+'s.

Even though there's close to 100 new small Samsung system apps on the one running on Android 10 vs 9, I ignore them. The list for both is virtually the same. The new system apps mostly modify the UI; both devices functionality is also very similar. If I were to disable those apps it be a bloodbath more than likely.

Target the power hogs and totally useless apps like Device Wellbeing. Know what the app does and its dependencies; that's hard to do so keep the disabled count low. Otherwise you'll lose valuable features you may not even be aware of or cause system instability or screw up the appearance/functionality of the device. Many of those small Samsung apps just sit there unless needed and consume very little power.

The display, 5G and wifi or excessive 4G usage and the Google system apps tend to be the highest users. Bixby is a terror.

Those graphs were always horrible to read, still are. The history log of Accubattery is precise and easy to read. 4% over 8 hours is high for that configuration. Your 5002 mAh battery vs my 4300mAh should be showing lower figures for you. That's with phone and internet services on; not in airplane mode.

Framework may be running in the background, Google backup Transport is a dependency of it.

Even with Google backup Transport disabled in settings that's not enough on my N10+'s; it will suck down battery like that or worse. Backup Transport needs to be packaged blocked to shut it down along with Framework (Framework disabled in settings).

Google play Services also is a constant drain, Google backup Transport, Playstore, Gmail are it's main dependencies; I normally run with it disabled in settings, saves about 1%@hr. Try temporarily disabling Google play Services overnight and see if that gets it.

May not be enough to stop it. If Framework is running that's why. Google backup is pervasive.

There's also Samsung cloud and any 3rd party apps as cloud is now all the rage. OTA updates is another parasite that runs a lot in the background. Find my Device is another one I hate and disable (to temporarily disable Google play Services this must be turned off as device Administrator first). Find my Device will reinitalize itself as a system Administrator after a reboot if Google play Services is enabled🤣

You might have gone too nutz... it happens. Try rebooting before ending the day, see if that helps. Samsung's are battery hogs until you take the time to optimize them. They are a handful to optimize... play with it.

Excessive power usage drives up mobo/battery temperatures along with shortening battery lifespan. Samsung's SOT times seem to be getting worse in spite of the larger batteries and more efficient ram. That's disconcerting.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Big Bread:
Is framework a service/app? Do you have the package name for me to disable via adb?
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] blackhawk:
Simply disable it in settings. It may be needed for Playstore, can't recall if so.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] hshah:
Do you clear the system cache via Recovery? If the phone isn't rooted, do you need a computer to boot into Recovery?
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] blackhawk:
Yeah on the newer ones it's a pain, not sure of the protocol for those. Part of routine maintenance or it should be.

Another reason I run N10+'s on Android 9/10.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] hshah:
Thanks for the quick reply. This is the first Android phone since the HTC Desire back in 2010 that I've not rooted. Still discovering things I used to take for granted.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] hshah:
Ooo, turns out you don't actually need a computer. I have Shizuku and remembered "reboot recovery" so tried that in aShell.

It immediately rebooted into Recovery and I was able to Wipe Cache 😀
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] matty100147:
It's starting to annoy me how fast the battery goes down the lower the percentage is, this phone reminds me of a Huawei or Xiaomi who always tricked the battery to stay at the upper levels for a long time, Samsung never usually done this until the s23 came along, an example of this is according to gsam my phone loses 0.2 percent per hour overnight and my battery fell from 100 to 99% over 8hrs, then the second night according to gsam once again my phone loses 0.2% per hour and my phone fell from 65 to 61%, and on the second day once it goes below 50 it sinks and loses a few percent every hour even tho gsam doesn't go above 0.4-0.6% per hour, I never had this problem with my s21 or s22
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Goku1992:
Can you send me your debloat list?
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Virgo_Guy:
As far as I can remember, it was Apple that did this first. And soon after some other phone makers started doing the same..

I experienced the same(bad at the 1st half, better at the latter half) with S 22/21 and older series..
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] enigmaamit:
I had the same behavior on my S21Ultra.

Samsung's 100-95% drain is very slow, sort-of like the iphone (iphone drops even slower - but faster after hitting 95%). But the iphone's last 5%-0% lasts as much as (if not longer than) Samsung's last 15%-0% (frankly it's a free-fall after hitting 15% on Samsung).

That's just how different companies program what voltage of the battery is displayed as what percentage - and it's rarely linear, there's definitely digital trickery involved.

One just needs to figure out how their particular phone behaves at different charge levels and manage expectations accordingly. Usually it takes a user just a few days/weeks to learn this behaviour on each new phone.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] blackhawk:
That's because there's less energy. 1 amp at 4 volts is 4 watts, 1 amp at 3 volts is 3 watts.

So as you near 6% the voltage drops faster as the device's amp hour usage and running voltage never changes.

As the voltage drops it requires more amps to keep the voltage at the required amount. It's power converter is trading amps for volts to keep the converter's voltage output constant.

The power converter is likely more efficient at higher battery voltages too.

Going below 20% is not recommended unless calibrating as it needlessly stresses the battery.

My cutoffs are 30-50% on the low end and 70-82% on the high end (charging).
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] sunking101:
So in trying to prevent wearing out your battery you run your phone trying to mimic that it has a tired 7 year old battery. 😆
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] blackhawk:
Don't get too amused with yourself... as you full charge your Li to oblivion🤣💯🗡🩸🩸

Li's love frequent power cycling, it can extend their lives by 1000's of full charge cycles. Full cycle charging stresses the hell out Li's and results in premature degradation of them. Charging from 6-100% they are good for about 200 cycles.

I take a break and fast charge for 10-15 minutes, repeat as needed.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] sunking101:
I change my phones every 2 years and pass them to my mother. She then gets another couple of years out of them before passing them to my father. He still has my old Note 8 which must have been charged a gazillion times by now and it still has a S.O.T of 4 hours or more per charge.

I honestly fully charge and frequently fully discharge my batteries with no apparent deterioration. I'm sure they deteriorate a little as one would expect but it's nothing noticeable or perilous. I never ever end up with battery life as bad as you inflict upon yourself.

You say that batteries are only good for 200 cycles if charged and drained fully each time? I hammered my old Note 10, charging it twice a day for 2 years...so over 1400 cycles of abuse and that phone is still going very strongly in my mother's ownership. She charges it once a day and fully drains it too!
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] blackhawk:
I doubt that.

Li's have limited lifespans and start to degrade the moment they're assembled. High temperatures and cell voltages heavily influence this.

After 200 full cycles maybe a few more you will degrade it to 80% of the original capacity. At this point it should be replaced. Degraded Li's are more likely to fail which can destroy the device. Any battery swelling is a failure. Research it yourself, it's common industry knowledge.

On a heavily used device you'll get 1-3 years of service life. Battery replacement before failure is part of routine maintenance.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Big Bread:
I've debloated around 160 services/apps using universal android debloater (UAD), which were surplus to my requirements. It hasn't broken any features that i use, and even if it did, i just reenable the service. My phone works perfectly fine. 0.20% drain p/hr overnight. I go to sleep and wake up with only 2% drained over 9 hrs. I'm currently on 9hr 22 mins SOT with 57% battery used.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] blackhawk:
Over nine hours SOT with only 43% used?

That's 2150 mAh total or 233 ma per hour. That's over 20 hours SOT?

No one else has exhibited close this efficiency. Not even close. Is that sitting display on at idle?

Display brightness 20% with airplane mode on?

&

You dump that many packages there will be issues on a Samsung. Simply turn it back on if there's a problem? Which one(s)?🤣

No clipboard edge... a very useful app.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] unandroidemas:
I have the same problem, with the recent updates of June and July the battery life worsened considerably, I have lost approximately 1:30 hours of SOT without making any changes or installing new apps
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Big Bread:
No, actually i had to commute for 4 hrs yesterday into London, so i spent the time on 4g+ and near max brightness (sunny outdoors). I've been debloating and testing services for over a month now. I disable what i don't need, and if it has a dependency that starts acting up (wakelocks e.t.c.), i reenable.

I didn't mean to quote you in that response, lol. Sorry. But, yeah, i meant 9hr 22 mins sot with 57% used (i charge to 85% only with protect battery). I don't think i explained that properly, so i'll just put a screenshot below 🤣
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Keos214:
This is fake not possible airplane on maybe
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] blackhawk:
Yeah, it's a wicked power hungry phone.

Edit: it's apparently more efficient than the horrible Gen 1. Numbers are all across the board from 8-20 hrs SOT. So maybe 20 hrs is possible optimized. 8 hours SOT sounds bad for a 5002 mAh battery and 20 hours too high. There's obviously a lot of the usual Samsung payola going on. Time will tell. 15-18 hrs SOT at 30% brightness sounds about right for that size battery. Heavy cam or 5G use will likely kill that quit a bit.

Google Framework, Backup Transport, Playstore and Play Services aren't disable; they suck a lot of battery. OTA updates is also not disabled.

With a new battery my optimized stock N10+ can get 10-13 hrs SOT. 10 hours streaming vids, 12-13 hours using Brave browser with no vids.

It's Snap 855 processor is efficient. No 5G or variable refresh rate display, and no scoped storage. SOT scores started going south with the N20U, and continue to do so. Samsung keeps slamming bigger batteries in to try and compensate. The newer cams are also more power hungry.

Problem being aside from the extra bulk and weight is the heatsink surface area for thermal dissipation remains almost the same. More power consumption means more heat. I can browse non stop at 100F ambient* (but not stream vids without cool down breaks) because of the low power consumption for browsing.

Raising the power consumption by 20% will greatly impact high ambient temperature usability.

Edit: if power consumption is around 300 mAh the heat dissipation issue mentioned above is irrelevant.

At 500 mAh and above it becomes a concern. Gen 1 definitely had this issue. You see how Samsung handled that? Not well.

*display brightness 25-30%
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Goku1992:
Thanks mate :)
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] hand-filer:
whoopty doo!
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] trevzv:
How do you get that?
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] prohackerbro:
Hey guys, i wanted to share my debloating-experience with UAD on my eux s23U.

I currently have like 110 apps on my debloat list, i happened to uninstall them, using the uninstall mode in UAD. after wanting to try out some apps like the game booster (usb-PD passthrough), i re-installed every app and re-applied the same list, but this time disabling the apps, and not uninstalling them. (to be able to re-activate them on the phone if needed.)

This completely broke my idle and SOT, o got like 40-45 minutes per 10% of charge, even after clearing cache / and dalvik, it didn't get any better.

After I re-applied the debloat using the "uninstall" option, my battery is as good as it was before. (Good idle, more than 60 minutes SOT on 10%)
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Big Bread:
Mmm, weird. My experience was the opposite. When i debloated with "uninstall," i had wakelock issues. Now that i've debloated with "disable," i'm having significantly better battery life. So much so that some people call my battery stats fake 🤣🤷‍♂️

Could you send me your debloat list so that i can see if more unnecessary services are safe to disable.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Keos214:
it's not a question of fake but if you remove all the options that make your phone called a high end device and you use it as a low end device it's normal that you can hold 150h of screen on time I saw your previous post where you use the energy saver WiFi no gps no social network apart from YouTube. might as well buy a galaxy a52 at 100 euro and you get exactly the same experience as you
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] blackhawk:
SOT; the easiest way to see exactly what it is.

This one feature is Accubattery's most useful.

An average 300 mAh or less usage is exellent.

500 mAh or more is not so good and running warm/hot.

This N10+ has no trash social media apps on it, Google play Services is normally turned off, location off, wifi off. Bt, phone, internet always on. Google backup Transport, Framework, Playstore, OTA updates and Samsung cloud disable. Unless those last services are disabled your not going to beat it. They consume a lot of power.

If this 4nm SOC performs efficiently (seems it may, finally) and given a 20% efficiency increase for the newer ram I can see the S23U getting 13-18 hours in a similar configuration. Maybe more.

For comparison with a 5000 mAh battery in it's current configuration I'd get 16 hours SOT using the browser on the N10+.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] blackhawk:
Google play Services is chewing up your battery.

The tip of the iceberg; what you don't see being reported are Google Framework and Backup Transport. They are dependencies of Google play Services as are Playstore and gmail.

Try temporarily turning off Google play Services* and see how much of a SOT/screen off increase you get.

You can increase SOT a lot if you're not using these power hogs by disabling them with adb, ladb or Package Disabler. Some can be simple turn off in settings; Google play Services is best turned off rather than disabled as you may want it occasionally.

Disabling Framework, Google backup Transport, Playstore and OTA updates would give a better yield if you don't use them. Loosing Google backup may not be acceptable and a replacement backup strategy for critical data will be needed.

And WhatsApp... that shouldn't be loaded.

*Find my Device must be disabled as system Administrator in security to turn off Google play Services in settings.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Goku1992:
Ive also wanted to disable Google play but my WhatsApp needs it... It will stop working after a few days and only starts reworking if i enable Google play ****... Nothing change that i can delete Cache from the app, reinstall the app nothing...
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] blackhawk:
Just lose WhatsApp; no social media or sales apps should be installed. Login through a good browser like Brave instead. It's a security risk.

Anyway if you just disable Google play Services in settings you can just as easily turn it back on.

That one app alone uses 1-1.5% @ hr SOT just sitting there when enabled.

It's the stuff running hard in the background that screws your power consumption up. Leave the apps that just sit there unless needed alone... some apps like clipboard edge are so useful I tolerate what little they use. Be very wary of disabling the many small Samsung services unless you know what they do and their dependencies if any. Most are needed, sooner or latter.

In Google settings turn off Firebase and anything else you don't use. Turn off all carrier, app, and Samsung feedback.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] sunking101:
I've never had a swollen battery. Sure the batteries in the phones my mum & dad now use have deteriorated from when I had them but the point I'm making is that they're still totally usable. My parents use and enjoy those phones every day.

I will never do this charging to 80% and not discharging below 30% thing because frankly it's insane. Just have a new battery fitted if you ever need to but trust me, it will take over 6 years of heavy use for a battery to ever get as bad as the way you currently operate your phone.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] sunking101:
To the guys saying that Google Play Services is chewing your battery life, so long as it's below 3% per cycle that's fine. I always get 8-10 hours of S.O.T. and Google Play Services takes 1.5-1.9% of my battery per charge cycle.