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[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
Of course I know, now you tell me how I get a proper white balance in gcam with just fiddling with RGB values without any feedback mechanism and for different light conditions (which gcam has no setting for adjustment!). Because white balance at 1000K needs to way different from 6000K.

I even wrote settings that get gcam somehow realisting in the gcam thread for each camera module.

So far all Samsung and Xiaomi flagships that worked with gcam had same white balance to stock camera. Vivo however completely botched that up. For example for the Xiaomi 13 Ultra - will the variable aperture work with gcam? I am pretty sure it will not be implemented as a quick switch. I would thing that this will not work but well maybe some gcam devs can figure it out.

A fair comparison should always be with the best available software that works reliably. For Samsung S23U that's gcam. As for Xiaomi 10/11 Ultra.

And yeah for camera centric phones I think it can be well expected that the user choses the right scene mode too instead of just using auto. However than divide the test in snapshot (auto) or some effort (but not Pro/manual mode) and than maybe comparison of pro mode/manual mode and photoshop/lightroom (because very likely that for pics you shoot in that mode you will still postprocess vs very unlikely people postprocess all of their snapshots.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] bmw320cd:
In my opinion we would be very close ... Once again with vivo that will be unbeatable on portraits with its 2x (f1.6 and 1/2.4 inches), a sensor slightly larger than the 13U

And at night again ISP V2 will make difference

11U shot better foto Vs 12U

12U for me shot very ****ty photo, hw and sw not work fine for me

13pro si a big step , but vs X90PP LOSE by far

13U again very close Vs X90PP
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] mbfamily:
Mi 11 Ultra GCam is great for "natural" pictures. 13U could be amazing. But I would wait for GCam and 50MP mod before selling the X90PP, let's hope it's possible with the 13U like 10U and 11U.

Or maybe Xiaomi finally created a good stock camera. But I wouldn't bet on that.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Dayuser:
Don't know for sure but most of people are happy with choosing build in awb profile or they just insert awb values manually.

Some gcams does have aperture change for Samsung (F2.4/F1.5 if i remember right) but i don't know does that work with other phones too.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
Well most people don't know how to do a proper config. That's why they say xxx phone is bad for gcam usage. Even the nothing phone with a proper config is pretty good for example. (Main camera)
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
The Auto white ballanc works like absolute crap on X90PP in gcam.

Now the only way to get a setup is if you have access to a colorometer device and use that on a photo that you took and even then it will only work for one specific Kelvin value.

You would need at least 3-4 setups and then guess which setup to activate before shooting a picture.

AWB on Xiaomi/Samsung works - on Vivo X90 P+ doesn't work at all - because it's way off. The strange thing is the preview picture you see is identical to the stock camera in color - the picture after taking will be very different. That's what makes it worse - if at least preview would be same color as picture - but no you have absolutely no way of knowing how the color of the picture will turn out.

Because I hate shadows and some other things on the stock camera I usually still go for gcam but end up with loads of photos I can straight delete because color is off so much you cannot fix it in post. And again yeah can shoot raw but then I don't want to edit pics later - not that important to me. I may edit 3-4 pics a month but shoot hundreds a week - so for me Vivo camera really is inferior to S23U and expecially Pixel 7 Pro.

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Xiaobai review alraedy has some battery stats for heavy use / gaming of X13U - and the Chinese display doesn't do well vs Samsung at high brightness. It's good at low brightness.

Idle drain has never been a strong point on Xiaomi either - but it surely will be leages ahead of 90P+ which hits rock bottom for standby with fingerprint sensor not disabled and China OS. X13U you can buy global or if band 20 not important buy chinese and flash global.

For me X13U isn't an option. I would still rather get S23U or hope for Pixel 8 Pro (if Samsung GAA 3nm because it doesn't look like Samsung can get good efficiency at 4/5nm processes).

But yeah strictly for photo only - from the first reviews it looks to me like X13U is a winner.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
Great example for "natural pic vs oversharpened crap".

The more i see from 13 ultra the more im starting to love it.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] jericho246:
Wow, what phone took the oversharpened picture?
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] mbfamily:
You can get this natural look with GCam. Unfortunately it is very hard to get the colors right with the X90PP in GCam. But I also got a Mi 11 Ultra, which produces natural images like this with GCam.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
S23 Ultra was the other one.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] olaf63:
The portrait mode on X90 pro plus has a face recognition setting in portait mode that will make a fusion of photos on different planes to have all in focus.

Vivo X90 pro plus has saturation and exposure settings presettable, like dsrl interfaces, no other phones have that, this makes it the most flexible of all.

I like it very much and I have compared with my S23 Ultra and Xiaomi 13 pro.

The xiaomi already sold, thinking to sell also S23U but I have to test the Vivo if normal phone usage always is ok for me.

Xiaomi 13 Ultra is very exciting, I will give it a try for sure.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
That fusion doesn't seem to work too well - especially if someone moves. Same for food even food mode is not good - basically only chance is to zoom in and move away.

The only place that fusion workd okay is if you take a group photo in portrait mode of everyone lined up in a row - that's my experienc to it.

And what if someone moves? Any kind of fusion creates problems. I wonder if Xiaomi 13 ultra will try for fusion on ultrawide photos - the sensors are supposed to be matched so it could take just the outside on ultrawid and inside from main sensor... Huawei tried this on P30 Pro for zoom levels between 3x and 5x and removed it again later because it just didn't work well then. Now AI has advanced a lot in 4 years. With sensors color matched it could be useful again to take center of pic with main sensor. Even at night - usually at night if the center of the pic is lighter and outside darker that gives more ambiance anyhow (IF focus is on the center too - if focus is on outside of picture stupid idea).
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] olaf63:
Ok but better than nothing, group photos is supposed all dont move. Yes, for objects this dont function, but, again not a big problem for me. Instead I would try to use the ultrawide for food.

And at f4 food in usually dim conditions will put at risk of microshakes or use of too great iso that will ruin the photo.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] lemonade747:
You should keep the S23U in my opinion. It has far far better battery and software optimization than the X90P+. If you want to use this phone as your daily drive, then you need to make sure it can fit your needs. Otherwise, it's a great camera phone for sure.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Haskren:
If photography is important to you and you are after the phone yielding the best possible result, stick to the x90p+ - particularly if you want the camera with the least amount of noise in low light and best ability to retain highlights. Unlike the S23U, it will also give you the flexibility to use the digital zoom in between native lenses and get a great result thanks to the large sensor. Night zoom, no contest with the Samsung.

I have found the 2x zoom to be a fantastic lens. It's a perfect focal length for portraits, and it performs incredibly in low light and in sport mode thanks to the large f/1.6 aperture and sensor. Most zooms have small apertures and simply can't keep up with fast moving subjects. To compensate for inability to absorb sufficient light, the camera has to increase the iso and subsequently, the image quality falls apart. The 2x is one of the best aspects of the camera setup, and I'm not familiar with any other camera offering such a big aperture on a zoom.

As for battery life, unless you are hiking without ability to charge or for some reason can't carry a portable charger, the battery life is not something you need to worry about. It will get you through the day with heavy use, just like any other phone.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] olaf63:
It’s 3 weeks i have it and i find it also a great phone for daily use. Yes, the battery lasts a little less than S23U but not by much. Sound it’s allmost the same, clearer the vivo. Maps and BT car are functioning wel, and reception is better Vivo. I find it a great phone, until now.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
I had similar experience. Sold the s23 ultra and bought a second x90 pro plus. Now I'll sell one and get the Xiaomi 13 ultra.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] bmw320cd:
I absolutely agree

I think it's the cameraphone with the best choice for the focal lengths of the sensors associated with "large" sensors both on the 2x (1/2.0'' and f1.6) and on the 3.5x (1/2.4 and f3.5) vs S23U 3x (1/3.52'' f2.4) and 10x (1/3.52'' f4.9)... (More small sensor on S23U + small aperture = very bad shot on this camera in night, also very poor iso management for samsung)

Head to head at night with a friend's S23U, the 2x and the 3.5x is really no story. Vivo is soooo much better, also like a few pages ago, I posted a video that emphasized the very high quality of Zeiss lenses that allow you to manage light very well, manage higher iso thanks to te lens and the V2 chip ... S23U on the 3x was already in crisis with 800-1000 of iso ... I with the X90PP both on 2x and 3.5x I shot quietly at over 6000 iso
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] franagan75:
Im very happy with this vivo, my Last phone whas oppo find x5 pro and 8gen1I could hardly use the camera because of overheating
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] SyCoREAPER:
That is false. The S23 Ultra like it's predecessors let's you zoom at any number between x0.6 - x100
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Haskren:
You cut my quote. I said: Unlike the S23U, it will also give you the flexibility to use the digital zoom in between native lenses and get a great result

Yes, you can of course use digital zoom, but quality won't be great
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] SyCoREAPER:
My mistake, I read that as the inability of the S23 Ultra to do so.

Either way, it is your opinion and subjective, which you are of course entitled to.

What people forget, not saying you are, is that a camera isn't bad just because another beats it. That's why I think side-by-side samples are dumb for any phone unless its downright bad. Both are capable phones.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] olaf63:
S23U has very good cam, especially after later updates Is strong at day scene reading and has less artifacts. But I prefer the Vivo for portraits and setting flexibility mostly for color. It seems to me to have a real cam with me and I enjoy more taking photo.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Eric-Mod:
I gotta need to say something without trying trashing the vivo. Just my clear opinion.

I had the vivo x90 pro plus for like 5 days and already returned it. Don't get me wrong, it's a solid phone, I had the X60 Pro+, the X70 Pro+ and the X80 Pro so I knew what was coming at me regarding Origin OS.

But for almost 1050€, the speakers were quite disappointing, the haptic motor was trash. If you used an iPhone before, you maybe know what I mean.

Battery was okay. Scrolling through YouTube (Shorts) was a nightmare. All videos had like 360p quality, but restored to HD little later. Kind of annoying.

If you set the Screen refresh rate to adaptive, I haven't had any clue why almost every other app downloaded from the play store had 60Hz. Changing the refresh rate to continuous 120Hz solved the problem. Why is there even LTPO-Tech inside?

Leaving bluetooth turned on - setting Spotify to my standard music app in the settings - and hopped into my car, the phone was not able to play music automatically. I would be forced to grab my phone out of my pocket, open Spotify and press play. First world problems - I know. But not for me.

Downloading a workaround-app from the play store solved this problem - but why?

The camera was great, but I compared it to my iPhone 13 Pro max. The vivo was better of course - but I have to say, it didn't blew me away. The X60 Pro Plus back then was really mind blowing - but I guess years have gone by with camera tech.

Conclusion (for me): It's too expensive for what it is - I'd pay 800€ for it. But I guess thats not fair to say for a china-only phone. But maybe you know what I mean.

I bought the S23 Ultra a few days ago, and I gotta say, the X90 Pro plus doesn't even come close. Camera is not everyhting I guess.

TO ALL : If you love your X90 Pro Plus - I'm happy for you! I know my problems don't apply to everyone. I just want to share my (subjective) opinion on the X90 Pro plus (vs S23 Ultra).
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
Oh well that was a short journey. I'm waiting for the Xiaomi 13 Ultra now.✌🏻
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Eric-Mod:
Unfortunately, I know. :(
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] lemonade747:
Same opinion. However, what I'm disappointed is just the battery, no anything else. The camera is excellent as I should be. Waiting for the next S24U and see if there are any improvements. The S23U is good, but still meh for me to upgrade from the S22U.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
Dude take another cable. Something is definitely wrong there.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
I had the s23 ultra and the speed was super good and almost the same with both. Dunno whats wrong on your side.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
There are some cables that definitely work for other devices but fallback to usb2.0 speeds on X90pp. And yeah stock charging cable is only USB 2.0 of course.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
It's not slower... As i have said take another cable. I have even shared some screenshots with read and write speed somewhere here on xda or 4pda I'm not sure. The speed is super fine and similar to a s23 ultra. If your S21 Ultra is 2x faster you may have a super elite phone with USB 5.0.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
Another not compatible cable. Take a correct one which supports the speed.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] luontokoodaus:
I'm surprised this thread got so many posts. So many phones easily beat the S23U, including the Vivo X90PP.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] luontokoodaus:
and lack of Scamdung bloatware too. Literally everything except Stylus.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] luontokoodaus:
Yeah, I don't think anyone will believe this lol.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] luontokoodaus:
This doesn't prove anything. iPhones are also worth more but they are not better phones. 🤷‍♂️
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
Another devastating review from China:

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long time review without case. plenty of people scratch or break the camera glas. In China not a big deal - costs about 20USD to get it replaced there. In Europe/USA I wouldn't know how to replace it....

Also usage without case the vegan plastic suffered pretty badly as seen in the video. Complaining about sound and vibration motor (like many others).

And again just another video complaining about **** battery life (Chinese user so no google services installed, the battery life is **** without it too). Kinda in the end the only strong point/positive about this phone being the fingerprint sensor, charging speed and good main sensor camera.

A more positive long time review - quite a few pics of broken camera glasses:

「花生」vivo X90 Pro+四个月使用报告：2023年它还够顶级么？_哔哩哔哩_bilibili

这回是真的浅谈，这几个月XPP已经成为我生活的一部分，太熟悉了反而在写稿的时候，不知道怎么说。因为很多东西，已经习惯成自然+。只有当我换到别的手机时，才会想原来XPP我习以为常的功能，别人还真没有。, 视频播放量 418832、弹幕量 2065、点赞数 10564、投硬币枚数 2095、收藏人数 1564、转发人数 1177, 视频作者 花生説, 作者简介 用心做长视频 商务合作V：HuashengTest 请备注来意 ，相关视频：【纪录片】智能手机-黑暗的一面-Panorama: Smartphones - The Dark Side，8 Gen 3很强，所以8 Gen 2会更香...

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I would say the single cameras on S23U surely are better protected - then if you live in China getting an exchange for the camera module glass on X90PP is okay, outside it's only glue yourself and get it in questionable quality on Alibaba... Kinda had that problem on a Huawei device once - where I got less than mediocre replacement camera glass.

I feel there is still no satisfactory case for X90PP available - either not very protective or horrible design/too bulky. I just ordered replacement screen protectors - cause the factory one is completely broken. Some holes from detaching and scratches all over. Looks way way worse after 4 months use vs a 3 year old phone display that never had a protector on. Now using it without protector - not good if you want to sell that phone later - and the display didn't get grade remarks when it comes to it's scratch resistance. Vivo as we know skimped on getting gorilla glas.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] pasinduxz:
planning to buy a x90proplus & found a place to buy around 600-650 dollars (brand new) is it worth?

what about the heating? does it heat up while social media with the usage of 1 to 2 hours outdoor?

what about Origin Os ? is there serious bugs?

What about the battery ? with social media usage?
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] vendetta17:
There is no such thing as heating on x90 pro +.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] pasinduxz:
yeah i read the whole conversation here. there were some that hate the brand but

so far i found that while gaming for 1 hour or so it will get to 45 Celsius only while gaming

i don't do gaming so not a problem for me

then i found all the lenses now have the best potential with latest updates. so no issue there . referred from video below​

with your reply now as a daily driver this is a great phone.

how about i use camera for video(4k60) outdoor on a some hot day ? does it heat up quickly ? or at least can it hold for 15min?
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Bl3s:
If my memory serves me right vivo had the best stability score out of all 8gen2 phones and thermals in check. I only felt the phone getting warm while using 80w charging or when I tried genshin impact.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] pasinduxz:
man thats good to hear thanks for the info
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Bl3s:
No problem mate. Just be mindful that there are some drawbacks with Chinese Rom and there are no known ways of flashing the phone. You'll find plenty of information on the forums.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] pasinduxz:
is there a way to flash stock firmware if anything goes south?
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Bl3s:
I personally haven't tried it, mine works for fine from day 1, just debloated it and installed updates, but look through forums, you should be able to find something. I read everything long time ago and can't remember this.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] pasinduxz:
thanks brother
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
Out in the first round for x90pp in the blind test vs Pixel 8 pro. Why am I not at all surprised🤔

But yeah it was kinda the only landscape picture and the x90pp simply sucks at that . All other pics were portraits but then Oppo find X6 pro go the boot on portraits too while they are quite similar...
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] virtualknowledge:
I really wonder what is your problem with this phone. You're making every bit of excuse of not selling and I've been reading your complaints throughout the entire year. I don't know well about the forum rules but better it's not reddit here because I'd write much more mean than this.

Judging the phone based on voters? That we're not even sure how knowledgeable their audience is.

Mkbhd has been doing thisufoe years. And he always admitted that not always the better one wins. People go for brighter a little more colored pictures without paying attention to the details, texture, white balance, details in the shadow.

Let's check that two pictures.

Look at the roof, Vivo managed to keep that natural orangish tone of the tiles.

Look at the trees. They're simply dark, lacks details with Pixel. Vivo maintained that yellowish tone.

Look at the building the walls outside. Vivo has more details.

Vivo has more details in the shadows.

Seriously stop using this phone. You're simply a hypocrite complaining about it but still using it. You're trashing the phone which is excellent especially with landscape photography.

Seeing you judge the phone in a comparison vs with a phone doing heavy computation, makes me think you don't even know anything about photography. Then why are you using it?

I have never ever seen anyone like this in my life.

Complains about Chinese backdoor, keeps using. Go buy yourself a normal phone with buttons or buy a crypto phone.

Complains about battery, keeps using it.

Complains about the photos, still keeps using it.

Do a favor to yourself (unless you're a masochist, simply like to suffer) and sell this d..n phone please. You'll save us from yourself also.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] virtualknowledge:
Landscape photo and x90pp sucks at it...

Yeah sure.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] kyero985:
I've noticed that Android 14 has improved the camera performance slightly (more noticeable in zoom and night mode shots). Should be an even better contender now with so many optimizations over the past year.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Bl3s:
Have they added lens switching during video recording, perhaps? And focal length buttons to camera app like on x100p?
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] kyero985:
Nope, that same laggy and slow incremental slider for zooming in/out during video recording is still there and it's remain unchanged - sluggish and annoying to use.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] virtualknowledge:
I find it quite annoying too. This is simply ridiculous. Note 20 ultra already had that smooth quick transition from one lens to another. Yet, Vivo acts like a budget phone with video recording. They can add this. They can also fix that central positioning issue while switching between lenses. I hope they will bring this.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] kyero985:
My gut feeling tells me Vivo would rather focus on optimizing and working on the X100P and X100PP now. The lens switching on the X100P is even superior to the iPhone and Samsung in my opinion.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Bl3s:
That's why I asked about it. It does not bother me too much, as I don't record videos much, but focal length buttons is a feature that would be sweet to have. As I mentioned before - x90pp definitely has hardware capabilites to have this feature included, so it's just software that needs to be improved.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
Fanboyism at it*s best. But exatly why very very few sane people consider Vivo outside China and India. Childish behaviour as usual unable to accpet majority opionion.

yeah, vivo as usual destroys any athmosphere in photos by blowing up shadows. The rest follows. Might have done better in texture mode.

I find it evne more funny that people who kept praising X90PP pictures now praise X100Pro, because the styling of X100Pro is way different except blowing up dark parts of a pciture. Instead of the vivo feature of not oversharpening for which Vivo got praised a lot, X100 Pro does sharpening madness.

Maybe with texture or with Zeis Natural mode X90PP would have won - I'm quite sure it would have done so with texture mode (while I guess Zeiss natural would have lost as well as too boring and too little saturation for such a test), but defending that unrealistic piece of **** Vivo did with the colors of the roof in the left lower half and with the cars on the other side is pretty crazy. Well known Vivo creates comic style pictures in default mode. Actually this one isn't even so bad.