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[G1 Android Development] neoobs:
So you have one small problem... Tell me something since you say you work cs at VZW... do you think anyone at your company would tell you how even if you could? Do you really think they would handle any support about how to upgrade or downgrade software on any of their smartphones? Last I checked VZW was the worst when it comes to smart phones by locking out GPS and other functions unless you pay, and only allowing their phones on the network.

So far when I have called up I have got nothing but good results. Even if the problem couldn't be completely fixed over the phone they have always compensated me (I got about 40 dollars off my next bill)

And yea their CS department can't do much on the tech side... but I have gotten to Tier 3 numerous times on other devices and always been satisfied.
[G1 Android Development] card13:
I don't care, I tell ppl what they need to hear not what they want to hear, yes I tell them things that aren't official. And I tell them google is their friend. Since I'm flex pay, they dn't care about keeping me there, I've been on my own acct since the G1 came out, that's the whole reason I switched from the Iphone. That thing about the GPS is only true on regular phones, the PDA/Smartphones/Blackberry's are a whole diff story. I'm also quitting that job soon, due to me being tired of screwing ppl oer the phone.
[G1 Android Development] JesusFreke:
Woo! I've ordered my dev phone. Now I need to get rid of my G1. Luckily I can still take it back to t-mob for a refund (tomorrow is the last day though). I thought I would offer it to you guys first though. It's unlocked and has modified RC30 of course. I'll let it go for $400, including free shipping. If no-one says they want it by tomorrow at noon, it's going back to t-mobile. I'll even sign it if you want :p

Update: taken back to the t-mobile store. got a full refund, no restocking fee or anything. So I'll only be out about $20-25 for the dev phone.. got $430 back for the G1 and $455 for the dev phone ($400 + $25 market fee + $30 tax)
[G1 Android Development] rb2k:
does anybody know if the credit card address can be different from the shipping address?

I'd love to be able to use the reasonable "free" shipping to the US and have a friend bring it over on his next visit to germany
[G1 Android Development] neoobs:
Anyone ordering this? And when you get it can you see if you have different device info?
[G1 Android Development] ghoonk:
Hell, I'd just wait to see if I can flash my unlocked T-Mo G1 to the one on the Dev G1, especially if a dev manages to get Windows Live Messenger working, along with MMS :)
[G1 Android Development] SilverWolf2008:
Anybody tried to buy the dev phone outside google's selected countries. I want to order one to denmark. But they are not on the list, Sweden is though, and we have the same networks.

I don't want to register on the android platform and find out that they won't ship to denmark. Anyone which can give some insight? :D
[G1 Android Development] dotsha:
rb2k:

I just placed an order. I gave my original country on the developer registration, which is not on the list of supported countries, but it still let me order anyway, and I shipped it to a relative's place in the US.

The Billing country can be different from the delivery country. HOWEVER ... the billing country must also be one of the supported countries (it's a pull down menu).

Silverwolf:

The shipping country is also a pull down menu, so there's no way to select another place. The shipping charges are rather pricey outside the US though, so it's probably not worth it.
[G1 Android Development] rb2k:
Thanks! Guess I'll give it a try :)
[G1 Android Development] Nabobalis:
Does this mean, that the OS can be ported much easier now?
[G1 Android Development] drewX2:
Is it possible for google to update it somehow later down the road to work with AT&Ts network or is this strictly a hardware issue?
[G1 Android Development] jashsu:
It's impossible due to hardware incompatibility. G1 (and I assume DP1) doesn't have the WCDMA power amplifiers to connect with UMTS 850 and UMTS 1900 networks. G1's amplifiers (Avago ACPM-7381 and ACPM-7391) are designed for connecting to UMTS 1700 (AWS) and UMTS 2100 networks. These are Band I and Band IV respectively. AT&T uses Band II and Band V.

Hopefully I have that all correct. Unfortunately bottom line is no AT&T 3G on G1/DP1 (Someone please correct me if the DP1 is running different hardware).
[G1 Android Development] Gadzks:
Bought mine. Giving my unlocked JFRC30 unit to my fiancee.
[G1 Android Development] oldsk00lz:
I assume T-Mobile would still require a "G1 data" plan, no? Seems they started locking down the old T-Mobile Internet phone plans with the G1 awhile ago and would think they will probably be locked down against the new Dev Phone.

-oldsk00lz
[G1 Android Development] jzerocsk:
Very cool....now they just need a "trade-in" program for those of us with G1s already! Would have been nice if they announced this 6 weeks ago...I don't really feel like trying to find a buyer for my G1.
[G1 Android Development] jashsu:
People have been predicting WinMo's downfall for over a decade now. Who would have guessed in 2000 that today WinMo would hold a steady 10% marketshare and Palm would be all but dead? In any case I don't think Android will end up poaching users from WinMo as much as from Symbian. Symbian is afterall the veteran consumer smartphone OS.
[G1 Android Development] dsmking:
I am thinking of doing the same thing but one thing worries me. Both the emulator image and the Android source do not appear to have important bits like the Google sync and Gmail app. I am fine if it does not have the MyFave app but want to keep the other apps.

Does anyone know if the Dev phone has all the same apps as the US T-mobile version? Will the source for these apps be added to the Android source?

David
[G1 Android Development] jashsu:
Since they are proprietary closed-source apps, my guess is no. Although I believe the only app that would be missing is Gmail. Calendar and IM are implemented in open source. Google Data syncing is included in the Android source as a precompiled jar. Will any or all of this be in the DP1? We'll find out when they ship.
[G1 Android Development] dsmking:
Do I need to do something special to activate Google Data syncing? I built the current source and there is no "Data synchronization" tab. The IM app has an empty chat screen.

Does anyone know when the developer phones are going to ship?
[G1 Android Development] Gary13579:
From one of the official Android devs (reworded cause too lazy to find quote): It isn't on the dev phone yet, but we're working to make it availible.

The only thing that would really be missing, IIRC, is maps. A few features of the phone are licensed proprietary code from Google that phone developers have to buy from them.

Found a quote, lol.

jbq = Android dev, you can find him on the Android newsgroup alot. One of the ones he was missing is maps.
[G1 Android Development] Koush:
You can probably just push the maps APK from a retail phone onto the dev phone.
[G1 Android Development] jashsu:
Maps.apk is already present in the Emulator system image, so would it be logical to assume it's present on DP1 as well?

My guess is if you wanted the proprietary Google apps and services to use the phone as a personal usage phone, you could just flash an OTA Android on.
[G1 Android Development] Koush:
The emulator system image has a Google maps apk, but if you try to build android from source, and then mount that system.img, the maps APK is not there.
[G1 Android Development] jashsu:
Hum, never noticed Maps is not a project in the public source tree. Am I missing something here? How would unofficial Android ports run apps that invoke the MapView view? Or is MapView implemented outside of Maps.apk?

Edit: Ah, probably by just including the com.google.android.maps package.
[G1 Android Development] Koush:
MapView is contained in /system/framework/com.google.android.maps.jar.
[G1 Android Development] Koush:
I just tried pushing Maps.apk and com.google.android.maps.jar to the emulator that was using a custom system.img, and it didn't work properly. In fact, the Maps application didn't even show up on the desktop. I tried doing an adb install on the Maps.apk and it failed with a "-11" error. Probably something to do with needing to remove the stubs from the framework.jar.
[G1 Android Development] jdclucidly:
Dev Phone 1 Shipped!

I was probably one of the first people to order: I placed my order within an hour of the link appearing on Market. My order shipped sometime yesterday and I now have a FedEx tracking number. It's due for delivery from Indianapolis to Kansas City sometime tomorrow (Thursday)!
[G1 Android Development] hetaldp:
Keep me informed about whole Packaging Warrenty Letter if any etc. etc.

Pics would be better
[G1 Android Development] mlott:
I also ordered monday morning and paid the extra for overnight shipping. It is wednesday and I don't even have a tracking number or confirmation email. My credit card was already charged 25 from Google and 439 from "GOTTA GO BLUE 847-573-2600 IL"

Anyone else having an issue with their order?
[G1 Android Development] Koush:
Same deal here. Bought it on a company card, but haven't received anything beyond the initial confirmation email.
[G1 Android Development] jdclucidly:
I had to email android@brightstarcorp.com to get my tracking number. Their tracking system was never tested before they launched the order page. It doesn't work, at all. Emails are not sent when your order is shipped.
[G1 Android Development] JesusFreke:
You can also use your brightstar order number from your original order confirmation emaill and "track by reference" on fedex's website. I never got any sort of notification from brightstar that mine had shipped, but I tried searching by reference for the heck of it and it pulled up the shipment. It had shipped out on tuesday, and will be delivered tomorrow. woohoo! :D. (I ordered mine over the weekend, sometime saturday).
[G1 Android Development] mlott:
I did print the order confirmation web page and there was an order number. I tried the fedex "track by reference" and it didn't work for me. As long as they refund the extra charge for the express shipping I can wait. I did get an email from brightstar saying they were backlogged and order might not go out until the 12th. Thanks everyone for the info.
[G1 Android Development] jdclucidly:
It said right on the page that you ordered on to allow up to 3 business days for the unit to ship. Still, the 12th would be 4 business days -- but I'm not sure why you expect them to give you $20 for that.
[G1 Android Development] puregenius:
Thanks for the tip. I just found out my phone shipped today! Ordered on Monday, btw.
[G1 Android Development] Kevbodian:
I went to order the bloody thing and they (UPS) want $109.55 USD to ship to Japan. At least it's cheaper than Canada (~$265; yeah, for shipping).
[G1 Android Development] hetaldp:
Does Dev Phone 1 have any Warranty coverage in USA
[G1 Android Development] hetaldp:
Dev Phone 1 : Help Page

http://android.brightstarcorp.com/help.php

Dev Phone 1 : Warrenty Page

http://android.brightstarcorp.com/help.php

Dev Phone 1 : International Shipping Cost + Custom Duties + Taxes

Canada	$ 264.49
UK	$ 171.53
Hungary	$ 199.99
Austria	$ 189.99
Germany	$ 178.90
France	$ 183.81
Spain	$ 170.14
Poland	$ 210.09
Switzerland	$ 130.43
Netherlands	$ 172.99
Sweden	$ 214.81
Finland	$ 199.92
India	$ 224.60
Japan	$ 109.55
Taiwan	$ 156.66
Australia	$ 140.23
Singapore	$ 119.36
[G1 Android Development] dsmking:
I am trying to decide whether to return my full price T-mobile G1 (non-rooted) for the Dev Phone 1. The warranty is one concern - according to the warranty page the limited 12 month warranty is through brightstarcorp.com not HTC.

Another concern is root access. When someone gets their Dev phone can they see if adb shell gets you root? Also do you get a disk with the non-open source Google bits? Basically I am curious how we can get root access without losing the Google bits (Gmail, sync, etc) as well as how to build a new image with those bits.

Thanks,

David
[G1 Android Development] hetaldp:
As long as you can Flash Custom Images with Caring for Google Private Key we can anytime flash JF 1.2 Version of RC30 and retain root

Correct me if i am wrong.
[G1 Android Development] jdclucidly:
Dev Phone 1 arrived!

Will post unboxing photos later. For now, the only surprise is: all the setup guides and warranty info. specifically focus on the fact that this phone is a Dev Phone 1.

Also, the new USB->Stereo converter included in new G1's is not included.

Update:

As promised, here are the unboxing photos!

Unboxing Photos
[G1 Android Development] Gadzks:
Mine was delivered today...but it's BRONZE! Bummer.

No disk...and no time to set it up. Someone else will have to answer the adb question. SD Card is already installed, so don't freak.
[G1 Android Development] wyinsz:
does it have dual SIM card slot?
[G1 Android Development] jdclucidly:
No, the hardware is identical to a G1.

I can't get the POS on to T-Mobile's network. No matter what Google Account or APN I use, I get "There is a problem communicating with the Google servers."

It does show that I'm on their network: 5 bars and EDGE. Unless I'm somehow on an AT&T tower and have no way of knowing? (They do have EDGE roaming agreements, after all.)

I'm in Kansas City so our 3G network doesn't go hot until January 1st-ish.

EPIC FAIL.
[G1 Android Development] jdclucidly:
And after an hour of trying, it suddenly is working. Who knows?
[G1 Android Development] jashsu:
If only there was an easy way to check such a thing like going into Settings->Wireless Controls->Mobile Networks.

Kneejerk-reaction-due-to-non-immediate-user-satisfaction ftw!
[G1 Android Development] afbcamaro:
Damn it! Any documentation on the differences to the Production G1? OS Bootloader etc?

Thank you for posting on it jdclucidly
[G1 Android Development] wyinsz:
Aha, rumors in Chinese said the Dev phone has dual sim card slot so that you can switch from one sim card to another easily.
[G1 Android Development] jdclucidly:
You cannot access any menu system until the activation process.

Yes, because I love wasting an hour of my life on someone else's ****-up.
[G1 Android Development] jdclucidly:
So far all I notice is that the IM application is strictly GTalk only.

The phone software version is:

Model number: Android Dev Phone 1

Firmware Version: 1.0

Baseband version: 62.33.20.08H_1.22.12.20

Kernel version: 2.6.25-01843-gfea26b0

Build number: dream_devphone-userdebug 1.0 UNLOCKED 116222 test-keys
[G1 Android Development] jdclucidly:
Oh, and Amazon MP3 is missing and not download-able from the Android Market.
[G1 Android Development] jashsu:
Ahh I thought you were already past the activation.

Hey I know the feeling, just pointing out that "EPIC FAIL" is a bit harsh for a first impression.

Thanks for chiming in; looking forward to the pics. Kind of dithering on whether to get one myself, as I figure a modified G1 should be functionally equivalent (except for the cool backplate graphic anyway).
[G1 Android Development] hallm2533:
So far the differences we have then are in Warranty info, only GTalk, and no Amazon MP3.

The Amazon part is fine, wasn't gonna use that anyways. The lack of MSN isn't great, but its only a matter of time before there's a MSN specific Android app anyways.

Ordered mine yesterday, had it shipped to a buddy in the states whos going to bring it up to Canada next time he's travelling. I hope there's no problems activating it on Fido.
[G1 Android Development] drewX2:
I purchased on the 9th at around 1AM. Hmm... I wonder when they will ship, btw anyone know where its shipped from in the US?
[G1 Android Development] d0nkey:
just to give my 2 cents, when i first got my phone, i had to drive over an hour to the nearest store to get one( because i wasnt gonna wait and have rc30 on it). and the whole drive home it gave me the 'there is a problem connecting to google'... i was so pissed but at the last moment it connected and all was good.
[G1 Android Development] mlott:
Yup. It says three days. Right there on the order confirmation page after you have placed your order... real smooth.... NOT ON THE ORDER PAGE. If you ordered anything on the internet and you paid extra for overnight shipping it normally arrives the next day or two at the most. based on the fact that there is no tracking number it will probably take at least a week for overnight shipping which is unacceptable by anyone's standards.
[G1 Android Development] dsmking:
That's not a big deal for me. Does it have the Voice Dial application? If not what happens when you hold down the Talk button?

Does the documentation talk about building a new firmware? I recall someone saying there was a way to have the /system and /data partitions run off the sdcard so you could test an image before flashbooting it.

Thanks,

David
[G1 Android Development] vr24:
I had this issue when I originally purchased my G1 - apparently it's a provisioning deal where it takes many hours. Took mine almost 10 hours to work on the network.
[G1 Android Development] kash04:
can we get pics? maybe an unboxing pics?
[G1 Android Development] maxdamage2122:
Yep. I chose 2 day shipping because i just sold my rc30 g1 on ebay so i need this phone quick and now i am phoneless :mad:

I emailed brightstarcorp.com trying to get a refund on my shipping since I only chose it so I would have a phone before I had to ship out my G1
[G1 Android Development] JesusFreke:
Comparison + pics :D

http://www.gotontheinter.net/node/12
[G1 Android Development] :
No picture? >_>
[G1 Android Development] dsmking:
Thank you for the detailed info - that helped a lot. A picture of the keyboard would be nice.

Also, you mentioned that adb does not provide root access so adb remount fails. Is there any reason you could not do the remount after su'ing and change that?

Did the insert talk at all about building system software with the additional Google bits or how to receive updates?

Lastly, was there a paper receipt? I believe that is necessary for a SquareTrade warranty.

David
[G1 Android Development] JesusFreke:
Yes. You can still remount with the mount -o rw,remount... command. But typing adb remount is sometimes easier :). This isn't a big deal of course, because you can flash your own boot image onto the phone with ro.secure set to 0, to give adb root access. I was just documenting how the phone is set up out of the box.

No, it just tells you how to activate the phone.

Yes, I got a paper receipt in the outer box that it shipped in
[G1 Android Development] jdclucidly:
Unboxing photos

As promised, here are the unboxing photos!

Unboxing Photos
[G1 Android Development] jdclucidly:
No Voice Dial. Holding down talk just dials last dialed contact.

Only documentation included is basic setup info. (shown in my unboxing photos).
[G1 Android Development] mlott:
Finally got a tracking number a few minutes ago and when I looked it up it is already on the truck for delivery today. So if you ordered it monday and asked for overnight it takes 4 days so 2nd day would take 5 days, etc... They are shipping from WAUKEGAN, IL.
[G1 Android Development] dsmking:
Thanks for the pictures. BTW, I noticed in your description that you said

Is that a typo or does the Market not actually work?
[G1 Android Development] jdclucidly:
That's a semicolon which in English means I'm still talking about the same subject. There's no way to download Amazon from Market.
[G1 Android Development] d0nkey:
pwnd

.............
[G1 Android Development] dsmking:
That makes sense - I was predisposed to think they might give a Dev Phone a different hardware id and have Market filter by that. I had images of Market working but being mostly empty.

Have you tried taking the Amazon MP3 apk from the full RC30 and installing it using adb?

David
[G1 Android Development] jdclucidly:
No, I haven't. I don't have a G1, personally, and copying the apk is probably copyright infringement so unless someone comes up with a way to do it legally, I probably won't try.

I'm more likely to spend that 15 minutes that I would have used trying to write Amazon an email asking that they make their store available on Market.
[G1 Android Development] jashsu:
I don't recall seeing a Terms of Usage so I don't think there's anything stopping you from extracting it from an official update.

signed-kila-ota-116143-prereq.TC4-RC19+RC28+RC29.zip\system\app\com.amazon.mp3.apk

Haven't tried buying anything (for obvious reasons) but it runs fine in the emulator.

Edit: actually there is a Terms of Service link on the mainpage of the app itself, but the text does not place any restrictions (that I can see) for running it on a device that it was not originally installed on.
[G1 Android Development] JesusFreke:
I'm fairly sure taking the apk and installing it on a devphone will work. I did a similar thing to get it onto my RC8 update (v1.2)
[G1 Android Development] JesusFreke:
Picture of the keyboard added. :p

http://www.gotontheinter.net/node/12
[G1 Android Development] jashsu:
I fully expect the easter egg for the next sdk release to be:

We regret to inform developers that SDK 1.0_r3 does not include a pony.

;)
[G1 Android Development] knight4linux:
most of all...

Most of all, I'm jealous of the keyboard first. Tell us the experience typing with it is, compared to the normal keyboard without the glossy back to differentiate the surface types. Sometimes on the G1 with the way the keys feel I'll be hesitant and have to look to make sure it is the right key I want to type. Awesome pics guys. Thanks :D
[G1 Android Development] JesusFreke:
The keyboard does feel... better. Maybe a bit more "clicky"? And like you said, the texture difference probably helps your fingers to find the keys easier.

Keep in mind though, all of the above observations could easily just be attributed to "new phone syndrome" on my part :)
[G1 Android Development] afbcamaro:
Ive already tried the Dev Image. I onlyhave 5xmb of free space. Do you know why this is JEsusF? I see some difference already but better ask a more seasoned veteran.

I also notice that adb does not automatically use root? :-)

How about a Modified JesusF Dev Image. YEAAAAH BABY!
[G1 Android Development] JesusFreke:
That is correct. ro.secure must be set to 0 for adb to run as root. It's set to 1 on the dev image.

There's nothing special about the stock system that comes on a dev phone. Both my modified RC30 and modified RC8 are more functional. The real gem is the bootloader of course. And just the fact that the phone itself is "open" out of the box (root access via su, recovery image with non-proprietary keys, etc.).
[G1 Android Development] hbguy:
JF, holy efff! i love the keyboard, wanna trade? haha j/k i think i'd be at a loss because i'd probally brick the phone with my extraordinary skills in newbness :)

hbguy
[G1 Android Development] qtronix:
iam in the uk and i have a tc5-rc8 and its got the same keyboard as that :D

adam
[G1 Android Development] Tob3z:
Yeah I would also like to clarify that the UK G1 has a glossy keyboard and the call and end buttons are white backlit rather than red and green.
[G1 Android Development] Alpha Class:
Just got my dev1, haven't handled a G1 before

nice to have a fresh clean phone

question though, is it just my phone(or my head) or is the screen slightly tilted when you slide it out?
[G1 Android Development] jdclucidly:
Mine is not tilted.
[G1 Android Development] Alpha Class:
http://android.brightstarcorp.com/

that pic shows it

perhaps im being too anal
[G1 Android Development] jdclucidly:
That's a yaw, not a tilt. And I didn't notice it until you pointed it out. But yea, it does have a yaw.
[G1 Android Development] Alpha Class:
;p it'd be yaw if i was throwing it across the room

thnx for the confirm though
[G1 Android Development] rb2k:
ordered 09.Dec 08, nothing so far, no email, no answer to my question for a tracking code... anybody already got it shipped?
[G1 Android Development] drewX2:
Same here, ordered round 1AM on the 9th and have not received anything. Emailed them last week and still no response. I think I'll be calling them today.