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[Touch Pro, Fuze General] villa_bryan:
My brother has the hp 910. I liked it at first, I used to have 6515 and loved it. Since that phone I've been hooked on windows mobile. I liked the 910 but always wanted a bigger screen. Funny thing is this screen isn't bigger. However when I look at my brothers 910 i think 2 things:

DAmn this thing is super pixelated

and

I never realized how wide it was.

However I think HP does a way better job than HTC. I never had so many problems with my 6515, as I do with this phone. But, I can't go back once I had a taste of this vga sexy goodness.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] SkitchBeatz:
when is that supposed to be released? I'm definitely going to get one.

btw.. im squeezing more battery life out of my fuze with NATF's cooked ROM. I've had it on for about 14 hours and its only at 75% with moderate usage... I did turn off HSDPA because i thought 3G would get me a little better battery life
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] baboola:
if you want battery life, go with blackjack II or maybe even epix. Of all the phone's I've used, motorola probably lasts forever. U can always wait for their android phone~ HP is HUGE (have you seen it in person?)

I'm not having too much battery life problem running RomeOs. I hear NATF's really good too (i'm waiting for him to stabilize his ROM for GOOD b4 switching, i'm new to the flashing world so I'd rather wait until all the kinks are fixed). are you on 3G the whole time? No phone lasts long when they're on the 3G network constantly. maybe try disconnecting it after X seconds of inactivity?

I'm also planning to get a spare battery so i can make full use of the media functionality (ie. music over bluetooth, video, browsing...etc). Replaceable battery was one of the deciding factors for me when I was hunting for a new phone.

and...um...not sure if anyone's felt the same way, the topic for this thread's a bit belittling. I understand you're not satisfied with your handset, but there's really no need to make all the other fuze users who aren't jumping ship seem like idiots who cling onto their phone even tho it's "defective". (that's was the first thought that came to my mind before I actually read your post and understood ur dilemma). sorry about the vent, just had to get it out :D
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] diar:
lol...i'm definitely not attacking other fuze owners. just wondering how seriously people think the phone's flaws are. i'm going to try a cooked ROM and see how that goes.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] klc:
Had to put my .02 in. Yes, I am jumping ship...from the iPhone to the Fuze. As an oldtime smartphone addict, I've tried a bunch of em over the years (yep, paid 599 for the original iPhone:o, but at least I didn't stand in line for it:rolleyes:). Didn't upgrade to the 3G, cause they didn't add in the no-brainer stuff that everyone has talked about (and didn't want to give up my $20 data plan for a minimal upgrade). I will miss the SWEET UI, but the get-back features that the Fuze brings to the table are worth it (not to mention not having to juggle everything thru iTunes). From everything I've read, yes there have been some infancy gotcha's, but it appears to me that you smart folks have fixed the huge majority of them. Thanks guys <followed by an I'm not worthy bow> for the fixes, and this incredible info forum!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] NuShrike:
Well, to sum it up the Fuze for me:

o +0.6 is less broken than the Tilt graphically because it has some 2D/3D acceleration, but it's something like 60% of Kaiser's speeds.

o -1.0 has broken d-pad design by that company that designs only for show (and since HTC bought them, expect more of it)

o -1.0 poor case design that won't stand up to wear nor finger prints

o +1.5 has G-sensors that would make cool programming possibilities

o +1.0 has VGA display that should've been standard with Kaiser

0 +0.0 decent keyboard

o -1.0 is inferior, cheap-skate HTC/Qualcomm combination

vs Xperia (which I have yet to find in a store [and now delayed to January 12th, 2009]):

o +0.4 is less broken than Tilt graphically, but ~85% of Fuze's speed

o +0.5 doesn't have broken d-pad design, but questionable optical cursor

o +1.0 good case design that'll stand up to wear and fingerprints

o -1.5 doesn't have G-sensors for advanced programs

o +1.5 has VGA+ display for more screen estate usage such as PalmOS like writing/game-controller area

o -0.5 blah keyboard

o -1.0 is inferior, cheap-skate HTC/Qualcomm combination

so 0.1 versus 0.4 over the Kaiser. Hmm.. :mad:

If only there was alternative Samsung/Xscale pda + 3D + accelerometers that isn't the iPhone.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] BlueAnt1958:
Time!!!

Guys,

Don't forget it is still early days for this model.

If there is one thing that you can guarantee on XDA is that the ROMS for the Raph will get better.

They will get faster.

They will have bugs fixed.

They will be stable.

No HTC phone I have owned has not had this cycle. My hermes was crap until the chefs here cooked up some gems. My Kaiser was the same and I'm 100% sure the Raph will do nothing but get better. :D

Bottom Line:

HTC makes em crappy and buggy!

XDA Chefs & Developers fix this and make them Crank!

JUMP SHIP, NEVER!!!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] phobic99:
I've been lurking on this forum a while but I recently got a Fuze. I'm very close to jumping ship but it's mostly due to Windows Mobile. I've owned several phones and they were all Windows Mobile until I got a first gen iPhone (on T-Mobile). It was a great phone initially but it really is gimped in terms of features. Anyway, I finally had a reason to jump ship and move to 3G when AT&T had a free smartphone promotion.

Fast forward to now. I've had the phone since Thursday and I've been doing nothing but uninstalling/installing ROMs and tweaks. The phone is a bit of a brick but it's pretty much limitless in what it can do. The problem is that it's just not responsive enough for my tastes. Apps hang when starting and closing and I hate having to reset. The touch screen is finicky making web browsing is a pain. I know I'm probably spoiled with the iPhone but I think I've had it with WinMo phones. This is funny considering I've owned quite a few WinMo phones and it was annoying in the past, yes, but maybe now I'm just tired of dealing with it.

Basically I want the flexibility and power of WinMo with the ease and touchscreen of an iPhone. Is this too much to ask or am I just too picky? :( Anyway, I'm going to decide by the end of the day if I'm exchanging the phone for a Blackberry Bold or god forbid the 3G iPhone. *sigh*
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] golden_mine:
I will be keeping this phone.... as everyone knows it could be better in many ways but most of the issues addressed have already been ironed out by the wonderful cooks of XDA. I will personally speak for Da_G and Natf roms as they are fast and responsive and have ironed out most of the MSVC, GPS, New drivers, and other misc issues. Although they each introduce a couple other issues which are extremely minor compared to the improvements. The battery life is poor to say the least but swapping out the radio seems to improve that issue a bit. From testing in my area the Blackstone radio was the least power hungry of the bunch. Although I have not tried the newest extracted one.

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Rom: Natf v2.3

Radio: Stock

8 gb microSD

Security/SIM/CID unlocked
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] venelar:
Da_G's is great if you want a stable non manila rom. GPS works, MSVC works. Solid rom. Personally i use Monx's roms for the manila, windows live, and voice command, and he too has included the GPS fix from Da_G.

As far as battery life goes... Might have to suck it up and get an extra battery. I keep a spare in my pocket every day. Most days i dont need it. But if it's a busy day and then I'll be out that night as well I'll just swap in the new one when i get home from work. 3G/Exchange will suck a battery down fast, but it takes less than a minute to swap in a new batt and keep on moving.

I wouldn't give up on the phone just yet. My hermes took over a year of flashing anf trying new things as they came out to get it how i wanted. The Fuze took ~ 3weeks. Buddy of mine bought one last week and refuses to flash his. Man..its a PoS the way ATT sends it out.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ld-runner:
i returned mine. my biggest gripe was stability. i ran several cooked roms before i returned it. i had 1 major complaints. i could never get No_Sleep_Ralph to work with the ROM i wanted use. there were some minor complaints; battery life, alerting functions unstable and form factor, but i could live with those if i absolutely had to. but since i don't have to (there are lots of choices for cool phones) i didn't
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] TVDinner:
I agree 100%

1) I have installed NATF's rom, love it and it works perfectly with the AT&T settings for phone, email, text, etc. I also have been trying out different radios to see if any help with the battery life

2) Pertaining to the battery, I just have the phone plugged in when I am at my desktop and it basically is at 100% when I have to pull it off and leave the office. I am thinking about getting a back up battery.

venelar - where did you get your back up battery and do you have a cradle to charge it? I am curious. Thanks!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] imtribble:
I just came back from the AT&T store. I went to exchange my phone but couldn't pull the trigger. My problem isn't really all of the issues everyone else has, it is that it really isn't a great improvement over my Tilt. I know you will say the VGA screen, Manilla (that I don't use), and the memory. But really, it isn't any better than the Tilt. I'm not sure I have the energy to keep flashing this phone like I did the Tilt until I get something right. Seems kind of backwards to pay so much yet spend so much time trying to fix it.

I guess the bottom line is that I still have it and I'm still considering it. It wouldn't be so bad but I bought with w/o commitment so the tag price is a bit more than $500.

It isn't a bad phone, just not sure it is worth its weight in gold.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] venelar:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=431014

This link has the battery/dock listing. Actually i have 3 batteries because that comes with 2. I just rotate a new one in every week since 2 is more than enough.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] TVDinner:
fantastic and thank you. I am going to check it out now and probably order.

Have you heard about any extended batteries coming out that will be the same size?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jasongw:
I jumped ship already, to an iPhone. I love the tech specs of the fuze, but the short battery life, terrible stock software and relative immaturity of current ROM development for the device is just too much of a problem given the price of the device. You really don't get your money's worth, and no matter how good the specs, if a device is a pain in the ass to get the most out of it, then it's no bargain.

I expect that in 6-12 months when the ROM's are fully mature, Fuze will be the go-to phone, and I'll probably even buy another one--but by then it won't be $350 anymore.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sixth_element:
I returned my Fuze for a Blackberry Bold.

I can say that I am now a BB person and will not be coming back to the Fuze.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jasongw:
I couldn't have said it better. That's exactly why I jumped out and got an iPhone instead. Fuze is an awesome device from a hardware perspective, but the current software situation has saddled the device with performance well below what it ought to have.

For nearly $400 I shouldn't *have* to flash it constantly.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jasongw:
I feel EXACTLY the same way. I have had an iPhone for just under a week now (traded my Fuze for it) and I LOVE it. It's nowhere near the hardware of the Fuze--but the software is simply superior in every way.

In the end, if the device's software makes it hard or unpleasant to use, what's the point of the hardware being superior?

Windows Mobile needs to steal some ideas from iPhone and get a full on reinvention.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] bpm2000:
Loving it - new to WM and flashing ROMs etc. Used to be a symbian guy forever (that n97 sure looks tasty...), and went to a closed MVNO (helio.. ugh) and so very happy to be back a to multitasking, customizable phone. Keyboard is great, touchflo3d works way better than I thought it would, and this phone really put to rest the resistive vs capacitive debate for the most part.

I wish the GPS wasn't so wonky, and the camera kinda sucks but I can live with both and expect the GPS issue to get better with time and development. There are the usual WM frustrations everyone talks about and I am spending a LOT of time on my phone tweaking and reflashing, etc but I'd rather have the option than not.

Iphone is a great phone but I feel it is too limiting and doesn't always "work" like it should to make up for the limitations. (roommate and gf have one so I've spent a lot of time with it. I might still get one eventually if I can find a cheapo one as a backup).
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ld-runner:
wow. i think its odd that people would leave the Fuze for the iPhone. I too returned my Fuze, but i would never ever waste my money on an iPhone.

battery life stinks, iPhone is worthless unless you Jailbreak it (very difficult process) and the lifetime cost will be ridiculous.

consider the iPhone needs to be recharged 2 x's a day. the battery has a life rating of 400 charges. the only way to replace the battery is to send to Apple for $70. plus, the app store gets you for .99 cents a few times a month. (its very addictive).

i had an iphone 3g for exactly 2 weeks. i jailbroke it and sold it on ebay. made some money but would never go back.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Fourstarzzzz:
Having an iphone is just like having a Mac. It is a good piece of equipment and is great for what it does. However like a Mac, you are limited as to what you can do with it. The iphone certainly does things better than the Fuze (same as a Mac) but the Fuze is more versitile and it does not cost me anything to do certain things. I have my tomtom maps loaded up and it works good, I have lots of games, movies and the ability to stream live racing from the meadowlands :cool:

Any of those thing would cost on the iphone, plus the fact I cannot get it unlocked (unless I wait for the hacking community to come up with one) kills the deal for me. I love to tinker, so flashing ROMS etc is fun for me.

Bottom line is treat the iphone like a Mac and the Fuze like a PC. If you like something to work right out of the box with everything installed, the Mac/iphone is for you. If you like to tinker and customize, the PC/Fuze is right for you.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] diar:
i don't think i'm an iphone guy...i'm streaming sirius as i type this so i like multitasking. i never considered a blackberry and have never used one but i'm hearing great things about the bold.

i can deal with just about any Winmo quirk...and have since the flipphone samsung i600 to the i730 to the tilt to the fuze. the tilt battery just frustrated me to no end even with dutty's best hybrid rom. flashing and reflashing the tilt and playing with tweaks and hacks was fun because it's the first time i was flashing a phone and it was cool. truthfully now all that work of flashing different ROMs, testing different radio and ROM combinations, and reinstalling dozens of apps every time just seems like a pain in the ass. i guess that's why i haven't flashed the fuze yet. i still like customizing, just not as much.

anyway, after the tilt and fuze, battery life is now my number one consideration in choosing a phone, even before limitless functionality. i'll give up an accelerometer, fm radio and even wifi to make space for a larger, higher capacity battery.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] omaralt:
after having the fuze for almost 3 weeks now.. i think i'm going to return it and stick with my e71... my biggest gripe is gps. i really use the gps on my phones, and i've spent hours applying fixes, etc, to try to get teh damn thing to work; and it still doesnt work reliably. my e71 locks on (cold lock) within 20 secs, and is rock solid. it also does everything the fuze does, but in an easier, friendlier way (less sexy and flashy though). also the data plan for the fuze is $30 while the data plan for the e71 is $15.. but the real kicker was battery life. the e71 can go for 2-3 days easily with moderate/heavy usage on 3G, gps, etc. the fuze could barely manage a day, and thats with me constantly worrying about the battery and trying to conserve. with the e71, i dont even think about the battery; and thats the way it should be. long story short, i'm pretty sure i'm going to be returning the fuze today :(
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jasongw:
I don't know who told you iPhone needs to be charged twice a day, but they're full of beans dude :). I charge mine every other day tops. Like any other phone, if you need to modify it, a clever geek *read: pretty much anybody on this forum) should be able to replace the battery without sending it to apple.

As for the app store...it's not like you're being ripped off because you make a *purchase*. Personally I haven't yet spent a nickel at the app store, mostly because I'm still enamored of all the free stuff.

Where iPhone succeeds is that it, unlike WM6, truly does put a modern face on a modern device. The hardware is not, of course, as impressive or sophisticated as what you get in a Fuze or any of several other devices these days. What it does well is *software*, which is to say, the interface to the hardware.

Let's face it: all the hardware in the world is worthless if you have to fight with it to make it work. And the Fuze is a device which, out of the box, is just plain *busted*.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jasongw:
I like tinkering, but somehow...not as much with my phone. I am always doing mods to my PC, and for almost 3 years I was flashing my Wizard like nobody's business. In the end the Wizard, thank to the cooks here, worked far better than it did at launch.

Coming off the Wizard with some highly polished roms thanks to almost 3 years of ROMs cooked by XDA dev, Fuze just felt like a step *down*. I realize that when the ROMs start really getting polished and the cooks have a solid feel for the device that will all change, but I think that for $350+tax it really shouldn't be that way. The device, out of the box, should just *work*. It doesn't.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] alabij:
My gripe with the Fuze is really the battery. Yeah GPS sucks and the phone is sometimes laggy. Flashing will improve the lagginess but there is no true fix for GPS right now. My GPS works when it wants to.

However its the battery that leads me to return this phone. I went from the Kyocera QCP 6035 to the T-Mobile XDA to the Ipaq 6315 to the MDA to the Mogul to the EPIX and finally to the Raphael(and some I cant remember), but off all these phones the Raphael has the worst battery life. Whats the point of a super wireless device if you have to be tied to your charger.

I just saw a report on Engadget Mobile that HTC made a killing in profits in November.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Fourstarzzzz:
I agree, but on the other hand, you can go out and buy a PC, hook it up and it "works". However, how often do you find yourself complaining about all of the crapware they load into that new PC? I'm talking free trials, Mcafee plus all the other junk. When I bought my wife's laptop, first thing I did was format the HDD and do a fresh install. Sure it worked out of the box, but it was slow as hell.

If AT&T did not load up on all the junk, I would probably never have flashed my ROM.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Fourstarzzzz:
Yes, the battery life does suck. I have a motorola v195 as a back up and I can leave that thing on for weeks without charging it. My iphone gets charged once a day (depends how much I use wifi/BT etc) I charge my Fuze at least once a day. Sometimes I keep it on the USB at work if I am using it a lot.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] imtribble:
Well since I have a few days left (make that 2 days left) before my 30 days is up, I flashed my Fuze (not that I really wanted to do it) and it is faster. But the point was that I didn't want to have to tinker with it all just to be useable.

I'll work with it for a day or two and then decided. Right now I have to go searching for the apps that were removed that I really did like... like the task manager in the top corner of the screen. I have no idea how to get back to all of the apps running in the background. I need an Alt-Tab app. But I don't blame the Fuze for that lack of oversight. I blame WinMo for it.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] gdemore:
I returned my Fuze yesterday in favor of saving some money by buying it through Amazon ($300 compared to $175). I tried to get the store to match Amazon's deal, but it was a no go. I'm having second thoughts about getting the Fuze again after reverting back to my Blackjack --- the Fuze is just really thick and heavy, my arm would get tired if I held it up to my ear for more than a couple of mins...

I took a look at Verizon's Omnia, but the touch screen is absolutely horrendous! I’m now thinking about the Samsung EPIX, but it doesn’t seem to have the user community support of the Fuze with ROMs, tweaks, applications, plus Sling Player doesn’t seem to work on it. I’m still contemplating, but I think I will go back to the Fuze because of its touch screen and clarity plus all the options you have for customizing it – just wish it wasn’t so heavy…
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] NuShrike:
It's still lighter than a Kaiser/Tilt. Otherwise, maybe a Diamond is better.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] diar:
i have two days left on my 30-day trial and i'm seriously eyeing the epix myself. seems to have it all and excellent battery life.

by the way, has anyone else noticed that the fuze is actually rated by AT&T to have better battery life than the epix, blackjack II and the blackberry bold.

fuze: 7.4 hours talk, 19.3 days standby

epix: 7 hours talk, 14 days standby

blackjack: 7 hours talk, 14 day sstandby

bold: 4.5 hours talk, 13.5 days standby

so either at&t or htc managed to get 7.4 hours of talk time out of the fuze on at least one test somewhere. i wish they would share how they did it.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] agentdr8:
Aside from the obvious jokes about going to a gym and pumping some iron... ;)

The Fuze/Touch Pro is much lighter than its earlier PPC siblings. I wouldn't call it a brick by any means though, as I've experienced holding such monstrosities such as the Nokia 9500 to my head (now that was a brick!). It's no spring chicken, but you get a full QWERTY

and

a touchscreen; something most competitors would convince you one or other is unnecessary.

With every evolution of the smartphone, things get smaller, lighter, faster and hopefully cheaper.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] groverbot:
Has everyone experiencing issues with battery life tried tempering your battery by letting it completely drain and then recharging to full?

I was out of town last weekend and accidentally let it die a couple of times (and recharged to full after each depletion). I am now experiencing at LEAST two-three times the battery life I was before.

Although I am running a custom ROM (RRE's HTC Fuze ROM) I was previously experiencing the same short battery life before this weekend.