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[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
Take some full body Portrait pics against sunset or at least against sunshine. That is where the x90 pro+ HDR badly fails. It can already be seen in one of your shots, but the lower the sun the worse (yeah in general that's not a way to shoot great pictures, but with flash some Smartphones can get decent results, and DSLR with a big indirect flash setup can get great results). I shoot pictures mainly in the mountains, and usually you there simply cannot influence the light direction except by chosing the time of day that's my biggest gripe photo wise with x90 pro+. Iphone 14 pro has much better fill flash. S23U better HDR against sun direction (vivo has better HDR for small strong light sources like windows or lights at night)

Actually the main point that speaks against smartphones. Except the Sony 989 chip phone I think no smartphone can integrate with professional external flash solutions, so you can only use a mirror foil/umbrella mirror for lighting against sun. But it you already carry such gear then the reliability and usability (much more buttons for important functions!) are simply the reason to go real camera and not smartphone. While smartphones in some cases can actually take better photos due to AI, there are simply not a replacement in usability and Integration with all other photographic equipment, and that equipment is just as important as the camera itself, or more important e.g. when shooting a sunset portrait. For video this is even more important. Smartphones are a great replacement for action cams if the weight/size doesn't matter (fast paced sports with smartphone as action cam mounted on your helmet simply won't work) but for anything film related the usability/external equipment/white balance just fails.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] tomasphoto:
No, the photos are not in Zeiss mode. I thought they were - because of the "signature" on the photo, but I checked now and it's not true. I have added to the text on the site.

I'll look into this for another shoot in the future.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] luontokoodaus:
Either way it looks great. I use Zeiss natural color mode on all my photos because I don't like the extra saturation. Maybe time to sell your Sony camera then :D?
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] mbfamily:
I cannot confirm that. Took many portrait pics and selfies against evening sun and the Vivo was amazing. Much better than any phone I have ever tried, including iPhone 14 Pro and even competing well with a Sony mirrorless.

HDR processing on the Vivo is the best in any phone by far.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] vendetta17:
I think this ends any debate . The guy its a professional photographer , the amount of tech arguments and facts he speaks are outstanding .
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] mbfamily:
Here's a test from Dxomark that perfectly summarizes my lengthy maths into a nice chart. You can clearly see how extremely fast the Samsung loses detail between 70mm and 200mm focal length, until the 10x lens kicks in and detail preservation jumps up again.

In comparison, the Honor Magic5 Pro captures a very constant amount of detail all the way from 13mm to 200mm.

The X90 Pro+ is very similar to the Honor Magic5 Pro and both are much more "DSLR-like" in the sense that you get a continuous zoom with constant amount of detail at any focal length in between.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Haskren:
Yeah, can't complain:)

Few snaps today
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] maxel77:
Very interesting video:
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] mbfamily:
Absolutely amazing!
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] luontokoodaus:
Phenomenal photos Haskren
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
There is another huge advantage for s23U, and that is simply gcam. On x90pro+ gcam spits out horrible colors on the zoom lenses, and in general colors are very different from stock.

Now gcam s23U is way better imho than x90 pro plus stock camera. X90PP gcam is great, but it's a damn lottery if pics turn out well or not regarding color. Yeah and that applies or any gcam mod I tried.

Video anyhow is better on Samsung. With gcam on Samsung also being way better (as it gets default colors) the s23U is for me simply the way better photo camera too. With decent configs that exist for s23U any deeper comparison should be s23 gcam.vs x90 pro plus stock camera (as long as gcam is a lottery on colors). And then s23U is simply much much better..... Also preview on x90pro plus gcam is bad, because colors are very different from what you will get jn the picture.

And yeah for me it's jpg that's counts. Cannot be bothered to shoot raw.

The above comparison is stupid, that person doesn't know what he is doing it is doing it wrong on purpose! Because no one in a sane mind uses 200MP mode indoors then complains it isn't better. 200MP mode is for very good outdoors only light. 50MP needs good light. But then 50MP mode vs gcam usually still loses, so why bother?

That's actually one point why for quite many Xiaomi 10 ultra is still the best camera phone. It's the only phone really putting everything it has into camera2 not a crippled version like vivo or a little bit better like Samsung. Xiaomi 11-13 isn't as good anymore, but still offers better camera2 support vs both vivo and Samsung. Yeah Huawei/honor so far also disappoints with camera2.

I think I will wait for pixel 8. It's pretty sure it will be based on Samsung 3nm which would mean great battery life too. And that's the only real thing which makes pixel7pro impossible for me.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
So today S23u is already receiving the March security patches from Android, while the wannabe flagship x90pp is stuck on quarterly security updates right from the start, besides long time glaring software bugs on notifications/dark mode and plenty other software shortcomings...

Heck even all Huawei flagships of the last 4 years back to mate 20 pro are already on February security update, all Xiaomi flagships are on newer security patches, just Vivo or BBK shows that they do take their race extending their lead at absolutely worst software support seriously 😳
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
Well even the worst phones I know receive monthly security updates during the first two years. Just like a month old.

And it's hard to believe it's difficult at all to play them in, Samsung manages this within hours of publication by google. Huawei which is cut off from google manages this way faster and more reliable.

And yes I do care, there are loads of things I do with my phone, online banking, trading stocks, whatever and so I really want the phone to be relatively up to date. Not over 3 months behind.

Likely BBK has problems that security updates break their spyware? That's why they are so slow in updating them? Software on this phone is utterly horrible. Great hardware bricked by rotten oranges OS.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Badger50:
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[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] bmw320cd:
x70 pro plus received the February 2023 patches a few days ago, I'm sure that on x90 PP they will arrive together with important software updates (including camera)
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
I hope not. Vivo should be able to go straight for March security updates. I guess in 5-6 days there will be the first quarterly Update in the trial channel with March security update.

The December patch came end of December I think. But really adding security patches should be an effort of some hours for a developer except if you need to dig some security holes up for spyware... Android is really modular by now. If Samsung can push that update within hours of google publishing it, can be expected by others to do it within a couple of days for current or last 2 years flagship devices. And no Vivo receives those things at the same time as Samsung, that is at least one month before it's included in the patches (except for actively exploited bugs that could be fixed as soon as possible) Only google software teams will very likely have access earlier.

And the thing is, as soon as those security updates are rolling and published including description there is a much higher chance of the bug to be exploited.

That's why manufacturers get access to them 1 month pre publication!

And that applies to Vivo/BBK too. Not Huawei anymore as they lost their certification. That's why it's really a shame if any Huawei device is updated quicker than the currently newest/most expensive BBK flagship (candybar not foldable).

And yeah I never had my phone hacked so far, but once my sever fully ransomware encrypted because I had setup windows updates to be installed 7 days delayed... (5 days past update Tuesday my remote desktop access got hacked). Any device that is connected to the internet simply needs to be updated quickly once updates are published. With android/linux it's harder than windows Server (yeah I also use Linux servers, but I need one windows server for some work stuff and make damn sure I can quickly restore it should it get hacked because I don't trust Windows much at all). There really should not be any phone out there not updated within 1 month of the security update being published.

E.g. the March security patches have two critical level bugs on Qualcomm hardware. Critical means they can be exploited without physical access or interaction. I didn't look into them but it's highly likely those two bug apply to 8gen2 phones (too).
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
Btw, another point that is rarely mentioned.. Vivo like I think most China phones skips having a barometer (or at least no normal app can access it should it have one).

Also the compass is horrible. I'm pretty sure that's why I sometimes have problems with navigation at slow speed. the compass is really bad. It's not the gps that's bad, but the acceleration sensors and compass....

I tried using the x90pp for Kitesurfing with the "surfr" app and it has horrible metrics on jumps in jacket mode. Any phone I used before is much better. Basically it's unusable for those.

Try using an app like peak finder that relies on exact compass and compare the results to an iphone. Basically peak Finder for me is unusable. I get 20-30° offset most of the time and the horizontal plane is also bad. Only had a chance to compare peak finder with my old galaxy S7, which worked pretty well but not as good as iphone. But yeah usable results...
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] cozzysa:
Dude why don't you sell your phone, you clearly hate it. From most of your posts, you've made the x90pp sound like the worst phone on the planet. This is a china only release so you should have known what you were getting into.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] djshotty:
If that's a genuine fault then I'll have serious reservations about buying a X90PP. I'm having no end of trouble with my Note 10+ and navigation (Google Maps, Waze, etc.) simply because it's impossible to change the gps.conf file without root access.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
never had issues with GPS.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
He's the only one with GPS issues, bad battery life, bad signal and bad Gcam experience or whatever. He is referring to some chinese sites always but I haven't seen anyone here with same problems.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
If you move it's okay. Also if you stop in a car. But foot /bike in dense high rise areas is worse for me than other phones. The compass is really inaccurate vs other phones I had/can try (apps like Peak finder are the best test because it's about 3d compass nor 2d). And surf app that works well on other phones is so inaccurate it doesn't make sense (that all mainly relies on acceleration data which needs to be accurate/high refresh to work). It's a bit strange because the sensors seem to have good refresh rates. Orientation sensor is also pretty accurate and fast

Maybe the sensors work better with "amap"? Clearly third party apps have problems.

Google Maps will work better with WiFi on and can use that a lot, I compare with WiFi fully off (no background scanning allowed). The gps actually is quite good if you use it for track logs. So I misinterpreted the problems when cycling with bad gps, but the problem are the other sensors or the coordination of them for location purposes.

Quite high refresh rates on accelerometer - but for navigation tiny errors will add up in drift so testing accuracy without a lab or a really good logging software that can match it to navigation really hard. Gold standard test would be to drive into a tunnel stop a few times and drive out and your position in the tunnel without WiFi/gps triangulation stays accurate. Of course this then requires the inbuilt location module to properly handle the data (maybe that's the culprit too and not the sensor itself) :

Phone lying flat on table - rotation sensor/orientation seems pretty accurate. I made sure to have the camera module not on the table of course (thats why I cannot use the floor)

Magnetic=compass. Vivo own brand or undisclosed. High refresh rates but problematic in accuracy (and yeah peak finder apps are like the gold standard test on accuracy if orientation sensor works well enough which it does). Any Peak finder app with really lousy results = some problem on the compass.

Navigation nowadays isn't that much about GPS but a lot about how compass, acceleration sensors, gyration sensors are used to make up for difficult reception. If you are in a deep valley or lots of high rise buildings around that matters much more than the actual GPS reception. Also triangulation on known WiFi antennas is used. At car speeds it's all fine. Problems are for me at low speeds only and yeah with the compass.

Barometer doesn't exist. Or no app can access it (which would be the same result) Samsung Galaxy phones all have barometer. That's a fact no way how you wanna promote vivo. But yeah Huawei also skips on barometer on most phones. Xiaomi often has a Bosch 285 barometer on their flagships.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] wolfgang212:
bruh how do you get 9h screen time??? mine can't last for more than 5-6 hours and is used mostly on wifi. I don't play games and probably tiktok is the most battery drain app that i use less than 1 hour per day. The battery life is decent but nowhere near my wife's s23 ultra.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] wolfgang212:
so the bad battery comes from vivo's network modem? because indeed compared to my wife's s23 ultra the battery is pretty mediocre, is a shame because in most other aspects is better and for sure will be my last vivo if they don't fix this on next flagship. My mistake for not waiting for a battery drain test before buying it.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
There are two places my 90 pro+ has really bad battery drain.

1. mobile data use - so the modem or it's firmware (likely the first because they optimized this in the last 2 upgrades but it is still awful on bigger downloads just better with low data use)

2. Standby drain when moving as in sports. It I have it in my pocket while cycling or running or hiking I have a minimum of 2% drain per hour. Often 3%. And I debloated health apps and the pedometer/step counter is clearly switched off.

Only if I put it into airplane mode most of the day I can get 2 days battery life for hiking. My old p30 Pro did the same without airplane mode or 3 days with airplane mode.

So basically when I don't care at all about battery life it's great, meaning in office/home where I can charge anyhow. But when I am outdoors unable to charge the battery is not even mediocre but really bad.

Also my battery calibration has gone non linear. It will charge to about 106%. But at below 40% the battery starts to run out very fast. So 58-60% is the real 50%>.

It drops like a stone below 15% only to then stay active quite long at 0% (like having 3-4% left before switching off).

To me that calibration feels like a go to specifically look better in Chinese style phone reviews which usually don't run down the battery... Xiaomi is clearly doing the same as can be seen on YouTube drain videos where both X90pp and Xiaomi 13 pro look great at the beginning but then give up quite early (not that those videos have much practical use as they always run in WiFi from a fixed location. They kinda only tell you how battery behaves while gaming but make X90pp look much better then it is. Realistic is GSMArena and dxomark battery on the go tests and x90 pro failed badly at GSMArena for battery considering it has 8gen2.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
With wifi only i have about 10,5h SOT. I also don't play games. YouTube, WhatsApp, telegram, browsing... That's what i do.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] maxel77:
The same here but I don't know if Accubattery is measuring it correctly.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
I tried with different apps and they weren't exactly the same but close.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] wolfgang212:
how????? i don't get it how mine performs so badly.

Today i barely used the phone and 50% of the time was on wifi and take a look at the screenshot

47% with 2h 20 min of screen time, i barely get 5 hours screen time out of this phone.

I really don't see any app consuming anything unusual .
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
Oh wow that's incredible bad. Last time I had such bad battery life with the OnePlus 9 pro when it was released. I don't know how to increase battery life since I was never interested into that. I just use the phone like always without battery optimizations or whatever.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] wolfgang212:
now i'm even more pissed because I was ready to accept that the battery simple sucks but seems that it sucks only on my device.

I have restored com.vivo.pem that i removed with debloat script as some recommend and will keep on eye on it.

I really don't understand because I got like 4 apps that i disabled optimizations, i keep my screen on 1080p, i have refresh rate on smart, i have 5g disabled and even changed the live wallpapers with something static.

I'd really hate to do a hard reset and waste an entire day setting up the phone + few days keeping it dumb just to observe the battery drain beforehand.

By any chance do any of you have linked a vivo account? I used a vpn to have access to lost device and registered an account, maybe that's a potential reason too.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
I have linked the vivo account too. I debloated a lot, but had to restore phone, i-manager and appstore after the phone started to act weird after software update (at time of debloat it was all fine).

You first need to check whether the power use is from standby or screen on.

If I am at home standby is like 0.5-1% per hour. If I'm on the move 1.5-3% per hour - always on mobile data.

One hour surfing with chrome and Adguard enabled (that makes a big difference) is 8-10% on 4G, 6-7% on wifi.

So reaching 10 hours SOT I've never managed. That would only be possible as a couch potato on my phone so to say. I think Maximum is 8.5 hours without wifi.

Camera use sucks the battery badly. 25% for stock camera per hour, 20% for gcam. Mind that is with google photo sync off. It I enable that add 5% per hour because as I've often documented mobile data sucks the battery empty, even more with bad reception.

So 3.45-11 hours within 18 hours all is possible just depends on how I use it.

S23U would be 6-13.5 hours on similar usage, because mobile data works much better, standby drain is better and the battery a little bit bigger.

The screen is really efficient. Hats of to Samsung E6. Even with high brightness in the sun it's still really reasonable. Like 12-13% surfing in Chrome outdoors on a really sunny day (yeah try to hold phone in the shadow of course). That's not a huge change to the 8-10% in low light!
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Haskren:
The battery life on my Vivo is better than my previous phone, Huawei P30 pro.

Regardless of your experience, I simply don't believe you can't get through a day on a full charge, even with heavy use. And I find it even less believable that you don't have any charging option at any point during the day/evening.

If you are such a heavy user that battery is drained within a 12-hour day, surely you will also be smart enough to carry a charger.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
Impossible to find a plug anywhere on a mountain hut in Taiwan. Only very few have battery packs for some lights at night but never allowed to charge your phone.

Or trekking in Nepal often no charging, sometimes single charge cost like 5 Euros. No wonder now many carry a solar charging mat.

So only solution is power bank, but I prefer to go light and the phone should really make it 4-5 days hiking and taking pictures in airplane mode. At home/stationary the X90pp is much better than my P30 pro. It's while in my pocket doing sports that I hate the drain. But that's when it's most important to me. When I simply cannot charge!

Next week I go hiking or better trail running for 5 days and will not be able to charge at all. I will instead use my old p30pro because the X90pp would fail on me if I take some pictures.. don't want to carry both phones or a power bank because it's 145km in 5 days and my baggage needs to be below 8kg including food, sleeping bag and other things to make it. No charging no nothing...

I had 1 day with less than 4 hours the X90pp fail on me. Since I disabled google photos instant sync I make it through any day. But never managed 2 days without airplane mode during the day!
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Haskren:
I'd say you are in quite a unique situation. For 99.9% of users, trekking without charging access even from a powerbank is not a scenario they are going to experience. This is an anecdotal example.

Anyway, enjoy what sounds like an awesome trip!