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[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] blackhawk:
The social media apps shouldn't be installed.

Cloud apps can suck a lot of battery.

5G can as well. All Samsung's should be optimized or they will eat battery.

My N10+'s old battery is rated at about 3500 mAh and it's tearing these newer more efficient phones to pieces on SOT. No social media, sales or banking apps installed and about 70 factory loaded apps disabled. It gets about 10 hours SOT, 12-13 with a new battery.

With its huge 5002 mAh battery, a more efficient SOC and ram this new flagship should be able to best it... especially with 5G disabled.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Klaudas:
Do not forget to disable all smart features as well, use it on lowest brightness available, only 2G, lowest resolution available. Or even better buy nokia phone with buttons. You'll be amazed with 1month battery.

Dude seriously your suggestions are out of this world. People are buying smartphones and you are suggesting to not use features/apps that makes this phone "smart"

Are you using camera? Asking because it will drain battery a lot
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] xgerryx:
I am extremely happy with the battery on the S23 Ultra. I routinely have 5 hours SoT with 50% battery left. I even let the phone not charge overnight and got all the way to 4pm the next day without a charge. I do a mix of normal social media stuff (I do have facebook installed), youtube videos, bluetooth audio at work, navigation, etc.

I am on 1440p, 120hz, nothing specifically shut off, usually on Wifi or mixed. Location always on. Blown away honestly.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] AwesomeARC:
Using 13 or 14 beta?
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] xgerryx:
I'm still on 13
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Osushi:
The battery is charged to 100%, the expected battery life is 3 days, which is very good. I have the latest beta version android 14 oneui6. After the night, when I woke up after 8 hours, the battery dropped by only 2%.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Ubimo:
How can I check on my phone, if this script did work?
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] AwesomeARC:
Clean install or ?
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] aafrankies:
Clear cache after each sideloading
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Osushi:
OTA updated
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] PeeAlves:
Amazing battery for me :)
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Goku1992:
Nothing to complain... Seems like the September Update gave a small boost🤣👌🏼 120hz,fhd+, dark mode.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] bodomfan:
Amazing bud 👌
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Goku1992:
Thanks mate :) hope yours will also be better with oneui 6.0 :)
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] trevzv:
debloat, any usage control app, galaxy max hz?

Another question, during your time on Samsung Internet, were you watching videos with it?
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Goku1992:
No control App, no max hz, yes im debloated 👌🏼 no Samsung browser for social Media and Surfing like Twitter/X, Facebook, instagram, phone sites and Gaming sites.... For Videos im using Youtube :)
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] blackhawk:
So you're getting about 9 hr SOT from a 5002 mAh battery? That's about 550 mAh average. At that consumption level it also generates a lot more heat. A value of 300 mAh be a lot better.

You should be able to milk at least 12-15 hours SOT out of it. What's eating all that power?

It's also reducing the lifespan of the battery by adding approximately 30% more charge cycles.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Goku1992:
Yes could be better but im at 120hz mate 🙄 love the smothness :)
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] blackhawk:
How much of a hit do you take 120 vs 60 hz?

How much is 5G and cloud contributing to the drain?

This SOC appears to not suffer from the infamous inefficiency of some of previous ones.

The newer ram is also more efficient but don't think that ever used much power anyway. The SOC instruction set should be better than the Snap 855 too.

So what's eating the power? I wonder how much scoped storage is contributing to this?

Lol, I might feel the same but I haven't been spoiled by higher refresh rates yet.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Goku1992:
Dont know how big the Hit is :s but think s good hour of SOT... Im only using 4g cause 5g in germany isnt the best... Overall the cpu is very good but the high clocks destroying the efficiency...
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] blackhawk:
It's a 4nm SOC, it shouldn't be using the higher cores for prolonged periods unless needed. Doing the same tasks as the 855 it should use less power; it should slaughter it. Side by side its marginally faster except for processor intense apps.

4G is still a good choice even in 5G dense environments. Thanks to the 5G rollout, 4G now has better bandwidth than ever in those areas.

So that shouldn't be killing your SOT unless the 5G modem is behaving like the 1st generation which I doubt.

Can't see the variable refresh rate display making you take that large of a hit. The N20U snap 865 did take a noticeable hit though but I blamed that at least some of that on the 5G modem, maybe not? wtf Samsung?

Sounds like it could be optimized to run at least 20% more efficient stock though.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Goku1992:
Its more optimized... But i think the higher refreshrate / brightness Display is using it..
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] blackhawk:
Try at 60hz and 30% brightness sometime and see what it does.

Unless the brightness is 50% or higher it shouldn't heavily impact power consumption. I avoid using my N10+'s in direct sunlight and rarely go over 50% brightness to prolong display lifespan... and my retinas.

I also have zero social media apps loaded.

Streaming vids vs watching them from storage uses about double the power.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Goku1992:
Cant use 60hz...isnt smooth for me. Display is on Auto brightness... Also nö social Media Apps there :)
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] blackhawk:
And me, me with all animations disabled and at 60 hurtz🤣

Manual brightness is easier on the battery and your eyes.

That's the way you do it...

Still you see how low the current draw goes on this relic at times; dips low as 70mAh (for a couple seconds) and what average usage is when browsing and at night with tap on AOD.

The battery has been hovering around 3500 mAh for over 6 months and is nearly degraded. Even so it's still getting "good" SOT*.

*Google play Services is normally disabled. Playstore, Google backup Transport and framework always disabled and Gmail is the only cloud app.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] abes777:
Different apps shows different sot times.

Real was 1h and 43 mins.

Battery usage says 1h 31 mins

Widget says 1h 6 mins.

What is happening?
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Goku1992:
Thats good with only 3500mah! I have consumption 9% per 1hour sot its okay..

Ive also wanted to disable google ****... Dont need it but cant use WhatsApp then🙄 only thing i need
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] blackhawk:
That is a social media app. Can't you logon through the browser instead?

Personally that's one site I would never use. It's got a huge bullseye painted on it.

In general most apps don't need Google play Services except Google apps.

Alternatively you can enable Google play Services when needed which is what I do with Gmail. That kills notifications for that app though. Free NextDNS can also be used to block some of Google's tracking and ads. It's sweet.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] goritchua:
Do you use light mode, can you send apps debloated?
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Goku1992:
Im using next DNS its good. No whatsapp cant be used only through Browser i think... Also Samsung browser needs Google play also🙄 its a shame
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Goku1992:
Yes im using light Mode. Sorry my debloat is especially for me cause im not using Apps like call etc
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] blackhawk:
Try Brave browser; I use Samsung for streaming vids. My Samsung browser runs fine without Google play Services. So does the older beta version. I don't update them.

You can try installing it. May not work as it's pre-scoped storage.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Goku1992:
Thanks mate :) will try
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] abes777:
In 8 hour at night it took 4%. Is it good? Power saving is on. 2 sims. Lte on. 5g off.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] _GRIZZLY_:
Yes, everything is ok. 4% per 8h with lte on, 2 sims are good result.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] abes777:
Does e sim uses less power or phusical sim or both same?
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] amirage:
They are both the same. At the end of the day, it's the modem that works so physical or esim the results are the same.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] JonasVFC:
Did someone try remove "usage data access" to all apps? The menu inside apps - special access - usage data access.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] amirage:
well I have just disabled them..let's see what happens..
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] blackhawk:
Should be better. Power mode Optimized, data and cell on with AOD set to tap on I get .3-.5%@ hr on my relic N10+.

Not sure about the dual sim though.

Mind you that's with a 4300 mAh battery and a no compromise power setting. No lock screen is set though, double tap on/off; this may effect power consumption.

Why are these phones using so much power?

Google play Services may be part of the drain.

On Samsung's it's largely a redundant service and most times not needed. OTA updates (com.ws.dm) is another parasite that constantly runs in the background if not disabled. It can cause a lot of trouble...
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] amirage:
Initial report...I think I lost timely notifications. I didn't get any notifications until I changed my data connection from data to wifi or vice versa.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] blackhawk:
It's best to target the apps causing trouble in their settings and remedy it there then using a shotgun global approach if possible. If an 3rd party app can't be brought into line, ditch it.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Am100:
Hi @Big Bread can u pls share your current debloat list, tweaks n settings so that i can also achieve my dream sot with this phone 😊🤜🏻🤛🏻
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] jaseman:
ADB App control app - about $5 - has 4 default levels of bloatware cleanup. Whichever level you choose look at what is offered and decide if you want/need it or not. DO NOT delete/remove/uninstall because the actual apps/software will still reside on the phone and just be unavailable to you (end user zero -0-) just DISABLE whatever you want so you can reenable something if you need it later on. Even if you uninstall something and cannot get it back a factory reset will bring EVERYTHING back the same as OOB. Of course a factory reset is painful thus the recommendation to DISABLE instead.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Am100:
can I use command "pm disable --user 0 (package name)" in adb as I m used to adb?
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Goku1992:
Also if you uninstall System Apps they will remain on the Partition. Its better cause they cant force Start then. Disabled Apps sometimes goes nuts...
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] blackhawk:
Clear system cache after you do that.

LADB editing is now possible too.

I still like Package Disabler because it ease of use and just a tap away. I use it a couple times a day.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] jaseman:
yes.... many are not happy using the ADB command line, thus the GUI app. Also with the app it makes it way, way easier to identify various pieces of software. YMMV
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Goku1992:
Can you send me your debloat mate?
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] blackhawk:
This is roughly what it is. Google play Services and Framework are disable in the app. Lots of other setting changes throughout. Again depending on your needs this may not be ideal for you. Some apps on this I I toggle on/off as needed.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] DSF:
Hi!

Any updates? Have you managed to fix the standby drain issue?
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] bodomfan:
What package is WiFi calling as mine keeps force closing
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] bodomfan:
Although it says its installed
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] blackhawk:
List what you disabled. Hopefully someone can spot it. Congratulations you found a essential dependency(s) that you need.

Otherwise simply disable wifi in setting instead of gutting it if you don't want wifi. Always try to resolve conflicts in settings or the app's settings first especially if you don't have quick access to undo the changes... and a good memory🤣

Pure bloatware that doesn't have dependencies/doesn't serve your mission and trash apps can be axed with impunity... but you need to know all of what they do. Disabling the many smaller Samsung system apks is generally not a good plan as many modify the UI providing appearance, functionality and usability.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] bodomfan:
I just want to debloat some of the apps I don't use. I use WiFi and WiFi calling so need ws them both
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] blackhawk:
Target the power hogs. Get the big ones first then work your way down. Stuff that's needlessly sucking .5%@hr or more really puts a dent in the SOT. Cloud apps are big offenders as are any social media trash apps.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] bodomfan:
Yes, what kind of battery do you get
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] bodomfan:
Do you still have WiFi calling
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] blackhawk:
Post #842. That's the xml backup file for Package Disabler.

That's my list for the N10+/Android 9; the list for my N10+/Android 10 is nearly identical in spite of its many new system apps that were added. I ignore them.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] bodomfan:
Nice, is WiFi calling still there
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] blackhawk:
I never use that and wifi only if I lose mobile internet as for me it's a security risk.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] bodomfan:
Fair enough, I use it
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] blackhawk:
I'm running Android 9, it's a known issue.

My 4G LTE unlimited data plan is grandfathered so there's usually no reason for me to use it.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] bodomfan:
Ah I see, I'm on Android 13 almost 14.i found a debloat list and it seems to be working very well and wifi calling is still there, thank you anyway :)
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] blackhawk:
You're welcome.

It's best to hand optimize the device to meet your own needs. It takes time but it's worth it. My current load is now almost 3.5 yo, still running strong with minimal maintenance. This is what Android's are capable of.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] bodomfan:
Absolutely, nice man. If you get a new phone s23 ultra is worth it
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] blackhawk:
Lol, need my 1+tb of storage* and the cool running 11-13 hrs SOT (new battery, 9-10 hrs until then) plus I want pre-scoped storage Android. Spen is on the right side too. It's thinner, 30 gm lighter with the best display/bezel ratio of any Samsung. Not feeling lacking with the Beast.

I blame Samsung...

*had a mobile internet outage the other day, having over 500gb of music and vids is a blessing. It saves a lot of battery too as streaming vids is a high current drain.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] bodomfan:
Awesome, that battery life sounds insane
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] blackhawk:
It's a clean running machine... now. It used to be a hot running battery hog getting 5-6 hr SOT.

It's always running in Optimized display mode.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] bodomfan:
Haha battery hog
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] trevzv:
Can anyone tell me if these wakelocks are normal?

I'm using light mode and offline mode only wifi and bluetooth sometimes
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] KayserXDA:
I can only speak for the Whatsapp wakelock and say it is not normal. That wakelock started happening a few months ago, after an update (I don't remember exactly when), but it can go on for many hours.

The wakelock is called "*job*/com.whatsapp/androidx.work.impl.background.systemjob.systemjobservice" in case anyone has some information about it.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] jbc0smith:
I also noticed extreme battery drain by whatsapp background activity last 15 days.

It consumes 12-15% overnight, with whatsapp disabled 2-3%.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] pratik_193:
+ 1 have same wakelock from whatsapp
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] amirage:
You will always have a wakelock from whatsapp because that's how whatsapp works. It will keep a live connection with the servers so that you can get instant notification. The solution for it is to 1) disable "allow background data usage", 2) put the app into deep sleep. With this, you will lose instant notifications but the plus side is this wakelock will disappear.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] matty100147:
Does anyone know what this alarm wakelock is in the android system? 1920 wakelock in 12hrs seems a bit extreme
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] bodomfan:
October patch?
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] MMarkkk:
Yes
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] bodomfan:
Mine is great also, did a factory reset because I tried one ui 6 beta 7.needed nfc for card payments so back to one ui 5, October patch and battery has been great
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] AwesomeARC:
On Beta 7 .....Debloated few things on don't use..... looks good...but let's see how it goes.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] olafsand:
Latest beta. 48h :)
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] blackhawk:
That looks a lot better.

You got beaucoup trashware running though and that's still killing your SOT.

FB? Really?
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] olafsand:
Yes, realy. I hate using apps inside browser :D
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Klaudas:
@blackhawk is battery police. Only battery matters for him and he is getting PTSD when someone uses smartphones smart features. I have thoughts that instead of calling from the phone he drives to the person he wants to chat. Then drives back and all that to save some juice :cool:

And about your battery it rocks! Great results!
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] enigmaamit:
Driving with paper maps instead of Google Maps saves on GPS battery consumption. Increases SOT to 16 hours.

Also, driving causes cell tower switching and reduces battery life. Turning on airplane mode while driving will increase SOT further.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] cfds:
Oh, I thought he was sending smoke signals from his cave to save the battery's on his Note 10's.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] m3ath:
from 100% to 16% wifi and 4g and GPS Sometime

Auto brightness

60hz display 1440p
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] blackhawk:
Just login and leave that tab open. You can close and open the browser as needed. Works fine with Brave.

No way I want that junk installed. Fk fb messages as they aren't private and are censored*; do not use them. Think.

* message content like porn pics can get you PBed. fb is an open room with partitions.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] aureum:
your last sentence tells a lot about you...
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] olafsand:
Really? Don't post anymore
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] SedyBenoitPeace:
Guys, I'm afraid that I have a defective unit (although it may depend from my setup) I use battery guru and looks like that my phone is warming a lot when using.

Like I installed Battery Guru last night, and I have a reached higher temperature of 38 degrees and an average of 31, I don't think is normal or is it?

Of course I ended up the setup and backups and all those kind of stuff days ago.

I know that is probably too early but those numbers don't sound right to me.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] hand-filer:
It's normal. Pixel and iPhone owners can only wish their phones ran that cool. Also those battery apps don't provide reliable temperature readings. Uninstall that app and enjoy the phone, it's all good.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] trinadhchinna7:
mobile battery temp also depends on your surrounding temperature and in my location 31 to 38 is pretty common my last device s22u even crossed 42 once, right now in my s23u max temp according to battery guru is 39 while min is 30 with an average of 33 so I seriously wouldn't consider your device as defective
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] trinadhchinna7:
After using s22u and s23u I can clearly see the difference now I am getting a SOT of around 7hours with WQHD resolution and 120Hz refresh rate I am more than happy with that, and battery feels relatively cool than before with a max of around 39.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] SedyBenoitPeace:
@trinadhchinna7 thank you for your reply! I will wait few more days, I like the device but I'm not "amazed" as everyone is on battery life
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] blackhawk:
WYSIWYG. It's unlikely it will use less power unless you optimize it more.

I want to see average SOT power consumption at or under 400 ma@hr. If not streaming much vids or heavy cam use even lower. Tap on AOD, screen off >20mAh.

Some the current draws here are huge. Once you are running at 500mAh or more you got a warm or hot running device. A bigger battery doesn't solve that issue and in fact it makes it worse.

No expandable storage and forced reliance on cloud backup exacerbates the problem.

Samsung and Android have negated any of the chip efficiency gains in the last 4 years by introducing new power hogs it seems. bravo.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] aafrankies:
Great battery life on latest October update
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Klaudas:
A14 is noticeably colder to touch, battery lasts longer with same usage. Love new battery stats design and more detailed info about apps wake-ups
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] SedyBenoitPeace:
Yep I can agree, also battery lasts a bit longer in my opinion although I charge my phone every time before going to bed.

I like the new statistics too, unfortunately now there isn't anymore the chance to see how much SOT you got after unplugged, but it'll be for the entire day!

A bit of a bummer :)
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] amirage:
hold ur horses comrades...the battery life in A14 looks too good to be true...give it a couple of days and we shall get to battery-bashing...watch this space!!
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Klaudas:
Less stress for casual users😀. There is no need to check SOT everyday if you don't need to charge phone 2x times a day😀
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] aafrankies:
It's the first Samsung without worries for battery.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] SedyBenoitPeace:
Hahahah you're right, I honestly came from another good phone in terms of battery ( Motorola Edge 30 Ultra) but as a "less" casual user than average casual user I always want to check what I'm scoring during the day hahahah

In the end, is for battery and Gcam that I'll probably keep this instead of Pixel 8 Pro, but also I was amazed by the deep customization that OneUI allows :O
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Fl1nt91:
I confirm that with android 14 the battery feels more reliable and durable. Consumption are really stable over time, with every tipe of usage.

That is great!
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Klaudas:
Exactly. I thought my s21+ exynos was great but this beast is another level😁

Same. I was checking from time to time but now I will enjoy the device and that's it😆
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] nbog:
Don't know how, dont know why, been like this since I bought it.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Klaudas:
4th day ant still the same. Hard to kill it in a day even with all smart features enabled.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] blackhawk:
Show the Accubattery history not the estimates...
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] blackhawk:
That's more in line with about a 16hr SOT which is reasonable for web browsing for a 5002 mAh battery. Some are saying 23 hrs for vid playback which is excellent.

Where these are likely to take hits are with backup cloud apps like the infamous Google Backup Transport. How much burst 5g transfers mitigates this remains to be seen. The cam will likely be a hog too which isn't surprising.

Hopefully Qualcomm and Samsung finally got their lame acts together efficiency wise after a series of power hog flagships. If it can run this well why didn't Samsung go with a 4300 mAh battery to shave 30gm of weight and a bunch of the thickness? Lol, maybe Samsung was hedging their bets.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] nbog:
I posted log from Aug when I used GPS on a sunny day, so, screen brightness was at max at times. Anyway, doesn't matter, I am not gaming, Meta etc disabled... Our milage varies
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] bodomfan:
Battery is average for me on one ui 6,wiped cache after updating