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[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Haskren:
Kinda more like a 50/50 with each phone having advantages. I look forward to Ben's in-depth review.

Yes, Barry is a pro so I really value his thoughts on this. A lot of people just want the image that pops the most on the phone so they can share on social media. I've been a pro photographer since 2008 - the advantages of a phone that can handle a big sensor is a true game changer, not 200mp
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Haskren:
I'm blown away by how fast the Vivo went from being a camera king prominent reviewers raved about, to being an obscure phone only mentioned in brief videos by a couple of youtube Vivo fans😂

Is there a financial incentive when influencer praise the S23U (ie free phone)? Scrolling through the youtube reviews gushing over the phone seems so disingenuous when the best camera phone is being totally ignored.

The fact its China only is irrelevant - it was China only when they praised it.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] vendetta17:
The guy was talking about a camera review . And you talk about battery , audio , bluetooth . You should get some help , im starting to get worried for you .
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Haskren:
Indeed.

At this point i am very familiar with the overall pros and cons outside the camera specs. No need to keep hammering home the points like a broken record.

And he now mentions vivo flash being substandard?!? I don't remember ever using phone flash as I hate the look regardless which phone it comes from
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] maxel77:
Another photography enthusiast who much prefers the Vivo X90 Pro Plus over the S23 Ultra. He says the Samsung has a big overshapening flaw.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Ramid15@gmail.com:
Dxomark who trashed the zoom in S21 and S22 Ulta ?

sorry i am not stupid to follow their ranking.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] vendetta17:
I only have 1 thing to say about dxomark : M11 Ultra(great phone but 3 years old soon, xiaomi are not some software optimization wizards like google aswell ) is ranked higher than x90 pro plus . That says it all . I got both phones and never in a million years that phone wont have a better camera than the vivo .Even though its still good considering its a phone released 3 years ago .
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] mbfamily:
Forget the Dxomark ranking, it's complete bull:poop:

What's useful is their individual scores, i.e. this:
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Ramid15@gmail.com:
what about the honor magic plastic garbage bag !!! that phone is PURE S***T and it was ranked for a year as no.1

DXomark = paid reviews and not worth it
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] vendetta17:
I must say i noticed that when Huawei or Honor release any phone it goes straight to top 20 . Even if they release a 200 $ phone .
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] maxel77:
New comparison. I personally prefer Vivo for photos, Samsung for videos.

It's incredibile how much they are close with zoom shots.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] isko01:
I would like to order Vivio x90 Pro Plus from AliExpress.

But how I see they have some stupid problems, like blown up sky, shaking videos and etc... Is Vivo good in software update? Didd they get any update from beginning?
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] PILLS2389:
1. I think the videos are with normal / standard stabilisation. I only use Ultra stabilisation when I'm filming and I like how they look.

2. For the moon photos (min 2:43), I saw some moon photos on the internet taken with the Vivo, and they look like the one in the video, but mine look more like the one the S23 Ultra took. I attached a moon photo I took a few days ago while walking the dog. I took the photo while holding the phone with one hand and the dog was pulling the leash from the other hand, that's why It's a little blurry.

Also, I will be able to test both phones in a few days, my sister just bought the S23 Ultra. In 2 weeks we are going on Holiday in Asia, I will have plenty of time to compare the photos / videos of the 2 phones then.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Haskren:
If video is your priority, go for the S23U as it seems to have the edge with it's newer OIS. If video is secondary and photography primary camera use, Vivo is the phone for you.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] jericho246:
Agreed. Those are exactly my findings as well.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Ramid15@gmail.com:
i took 2 Videos with Super steady mood and in low light side by side 14 pro max and x90 pro plus

iphone 14 pro max

vivo x90 pro plus
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Lexxmark:
Vivo is definitely better!
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] maxel77:
Another interesting comparison between S23 Ultra and X90 Pro (not plus). Vivo wins in so many situations, not with zoom shot of course and with videos.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
For my taste photo is equal, I really hate that vivo sucks for landscape because that's what I mostly shoot. 1" without aperture control just gonna fail like in the example here. All easy situations however. Try shooting a portrait against backlight. So for me it's a draw on the main cameras for photo. The 10x zoom if course will go to Samsung, while the 3.5-9x will lean to vivo. The front camera on the vivo is a joke and video clearly Samsung is better.

Ultimately for photo a lot boils down to which one works better with gcam, and that right now looks like a bag in for Samsung, mainly due to a much larger user base and people creating good settings while I have big problems with gcam at night and on the periscope zoom lense in general on gcam when it comes to color. Both have only pixel binned photos available for gcam so ultimately lose out to phones that offer full resolution on gcam - that's how the mi10 ultra still beats them mostly, it has full 50MP for gcam on decent hardware.

But then apart from cameras the s23U is just by a huge margin the superior phone. It got root/bootloader unlock. It got way better battery life, it comes without Chinese spyware which you cannot remove even with adb (com.android.messenger amongst others, but this one is now known to spy on you) and it has timely updates (by now it's on February security update instead of December), Samsung has a way better track record on actually improving phones unlike vivo where it's common that it a major upgrade comes, it will degrade things or force you to do a hard reset (and afterwards debloat again and painfully restore apps due to missing a proper backup)... And so on.

At night the 3° OIS vs the standard 1.5° on vivo wins back a lot of the disadvantage in smaller sensor size. At day it makes the 10x zoom useful. I don't feel I can use anything above 8-9x zoom on x90 pro+ that is still useful while Samsung you can get 20x handheld useful... And I would give much more hope in improvements down the road to Samsung for camera as well as anything else.

The x90 pro+ just feels like a flagship killer not flagship to me. Too many things it does badly or not at all (many google services).. and the current situation with spyware may backfire on China OS phones. Strictly speaking it's forbidden to use them inside EU now because they compromise 3rd party data, and that may put pressure on Google to remove support of it's software as for Huawei to all China OS. For me a phone without google services is a brick.

Would not think a second about buying Huawei again due to restrictions (well neither anything from BBK).
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Haskren:
Interesting to see how well the main camera is doing. Samsung looks more like the traditional small sensor camera phone - noisy! Thank god we can finally move past that with the 1" sensor.

As for slightly overexposed landscape photography (assume this can happen in bright light), you just dial back the exposure a bit and you will end up with a pictures on par or better than the Samsung.

Overall, if you take a bit of control when needed, the Vivo has the ability to produce picture that are a cut above anything the Samsung can produce. Cleaner, less processed images.

There has been several comparisons now showing how well the Vivo is doing at 10X compared to the Samsung - and below 10 (digital) it will outdo the Samsung. Low light zoom? Noise mecca on the Samsung.

The fact you are now resorting to a "what if" scenario of Google banning Vivo seems a bit rich
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] maxel77:
Vivo wins another comparison against S23 Ultra
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Haskren:
Another comparison:

Quite subjective comparison - surprised the front camera on the Vivo was on par with the S23U and how poorly the S23U main camera performs in low light
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] PILLS2389:
I don't like (trust) his videos, not because of this one, but he is a Samsung fan.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra Camera test

The Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra camera did very well in our photo and video tests, making it a great allrounder for smartphone imaging.

www.dxomark.com

Identical overall score for camera for S23U (as I predicted, both aren't good for snapshots - but both have their own problems, Vivo mainly Video, Color, Autofocus, Preview, Samsung a bit more diverse, better Autofocus, better colour, worse on the scores regarding pixelpeepeing/details/noise - much better on video, also bad on Preview). But let's wait for more results of other socres - they are much more interesting (well I predict the selfie cam will go to Samsung by miles same for battery concerning autonomy and efficiency- overall scores aslight win due to slower charging for Samsung - and Audio will also be better for Samsung - both recording and loudspeaker (they don't test headphones because that would be a win for Vivo due to Samsung trying to get people to buy their own headphones and skipping most aptx formats). The display will be a tiny win for Samsung with better calibration but both getting top marks - but not sure if dxomark publishes results for more scores for X90 PP - somehow they missed those scores on older Vivo phones often too)
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Haskren:
In the days of DSLR cameras and lenses, I used the take DXO as gospel, and it would certainly sway my purchase decisions.

Looking at their smartphone verdicts, something isn't right.

Currently the Huawei Mate 50 is the top camera phone - low light score of 122 vs X90 Pro+ scoring only 115.

This is flat out wrong. I guess they look at noise levels and ignore the heavy processing obliterating details. Here are some examples from what I consider a reliable youtuber:

In the real world, detail retention is way more important and I guess this is the issue with DXO - it rates the phones based on parameters which don't all translate well in actual practice.

For zoom, they give both phones the same score of 151 - this is how they look at 3.5:

I'm done with them - and I'm sure so are many of the Samsung fanboys after seeing their "game-changing" 200mp camera phone demoted to 10th place. I really don't see the point of referencing DXO to prove a point when their rating system is so obviously flawed.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Ramid15@gmail.com:
Dxomark is based on who will pay more to rank higher! That’s the only scale that makes sense in their ranking

Seriously how can anyone still consider them as a reference??
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[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
Not really photo or Film experts here but more what average users will achieve in grey weather and night, photo and video, no manual settings and s23U easily beating x90 pro plus, which was slightly ahead of mate 50 pro and Xiaomi 12s ultra clearly last
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Haskren:
Another photography win for the Vivo

Again impressed how well it does at 10 and 30x!
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Ramid15@gmail.com:
It will always win.

As it wins in battery and biometrics.

Here is a tip…. To make ur phones even more DSLR looking in album - edit - deglaze and enhance
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Haskren:
Throttling comparison - poor performance on the Samsung
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] raulillo88:
Is that true? Only Funtouch will have three major updates?

I'm thinking about buying this phone, but I would not buy a phone with only two major updates.

Thanks in advance
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
There is absolutely no update guarantee for Chinese devices announced. So far I think no Vivo phone ever received more than two updates.

Of course maybe some Chinese would complain about being second class and they change it? Also the garantee for funtouch is 3 major upgrades, 3 years meaning they could stop right after pushing the update.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] raulillo88:
I've been reading the post so I know he prefers Samsung over Vivo. But I want to know if that is true or not. So, it is the same update policy for funtouch and Origin?

Regards
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] luontokoodaus:
Reasons for the Vivo X90 Pro+ from a Vivo owner:

1. 4K HDR front facing camera with 2x the Megapixels S23 Ultra has.

2. Zeiss optics and Zeiss T* lens coating on the back cameras.

3. Far superior aperture and sensor size, extremely superior night photography and overall color accuracy with Zeiss natural color.

4. 14-bit Super RAW video.

5. 64MP telephoto vs S23 Ultra's only 10MP.

6. Superior LTPO4 Dolby Vision screen vs. Samsung without.

7. All variants of the Vivo X90 Pro+ start with 12GB of RAM vs. Samsung's 8GB starting

8. Twice as fast charging for wired and 3.5x faster for wireless.

9. Vivo actually comes with a fast charger in the box.

10. Pre-installed glass screen protector on the phone (at least mine had).

11. Far superior ultrasonic fingerprint reader which works flawlessly even when wet.

12. No Samsung bloatware, terrible OneUI, Knox etc.

13. 449€ cheaper price for the Vivo and still has more RAM than cheapest S23 Ultra.

14. Infrared blaster vs. Samsung not having

15. Extremely superior cooling system, easily the best cooling of any device period.

These are off the top of my head.

Samsung has:

1. 200MP gimmick sensor (Vivo still has better photos in most scenarios, DXOMark gave both phones equal scores and 10th place to share)

2. mmwave (Which imo is just more battery drain)

3. eSIM (Which I don't care about)

4. 32bit/386KHz DAC (Which no one will make use of)

5. 449€ higher price tag

That's all I can think that the Samsung has over the Vivo.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Haskren:
isn't the front/selfie camera 1080p?
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] luontokoodaus:
An update gave it 1080p 60 and 4k 30. Mind you, I do not see any difference in quality at all. Just filesize. So it might be placebo. I am using 1080p 60 at the moment.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Vinzie:
For me (13.0.19.1, the last firmware as far as I know of) the front camera only has 1080p 60fps when in video mode...

So which update are you talking about...?
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] maxel77:
the same here
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
There is no 4k for front. I guess he mixed that with back camera settings.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Haskren:
I think so too.

To be honest, the selfie camera looks ok in both photo and video mode, I don't know why anyone would require to film their own face in 4k
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] maxel77:
I don't care about that too... but there are some youtubers or influencers that require 4k for videos with selfie camera.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Haskren:
So pretty niche I guess.

This just cleared customs and arrived today - can't wait to draw my own conclusions. Might wait with the debloat and get straight into the photography:)

First snap at 100% comparing the Vivo to my P30 Pro which served me well for almost 5 years. Still, it would often outperform my girlfriend's iPhone 13. Massive leap forward as expected!!!
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] maxel77:
Another win for Vivo X90 Pro Plus over S23 Ultra
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] maxel77:
I would say there is no competition :)
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] luontokoodaus:
Yeah I made a mistake, looks like front cam is only 1080p. My bad.

Congrats on your new phone. I fixed the debloat script if you want to try it out.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
Doubt its fixed. Last time I tried to disabled vivo.pem it didn't work. It must be uninstalled I think.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] luontokoodaus:
You can go check the thread out yourself. It works for everyone else, but that app is impossible to remove and likely should not be removed at all unless you want to break all battery optimization plus other things.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
Fully disagree about vivo.pem. I have 9h SOT and all notifications work perfectly. with pem installed I got very similar battery results but notifications didn't work always.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] luontokoodaus:
Fair enough. I've got it installed and I have not missed a single notification yet. All my apps work fine. Just needed to individually allow those I wanted to work. At least others have reported that after removing it, their phone wouldn't even last a full day and trying to install it back again was a nightmare.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
There are plenty of apps which have issues with notifications while pem is installed. If you got lucky with the apps you're using it explains why you left it installed.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Haskren:
Keeping up with the Samsung like no other phone
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] luontokoodaus:
Took some of my own photos today and it absolutely destroys my not even 1 year old Samsung S22 Ultra.

I sold the S22U a week ago. Really can't even begin to describe how good the focus is and the white balance is super accurate too. I find almost all phones suck with proper WB but the Vivo seems to get it just right. Zeiss natural color is actually good and I will be using it by default because I don't like oversaturated images.

Video quality is amazing and 4K 60 is super super stable unlike the S22U I had.

As for my OnePlus 10 Pro work phone. Hah let's not even talk about it. I might as well use that thing as a door stop compared to how good this Vivo is.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
Test Vivo X90 Pro Smartphone - Kann MediaTeks Highend-SoC mit dem Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 mithalten?

Das Vivo X90 Pro ist ein Oberklasse-Handy mit dem neuen Mediatek-SoC Dimensity 9200. Lohnt sich ein Kauf des Vivo-Phones?

www.notebookcheck.com

So far only in German - but Vivo X90 Pro review is out on Notebookcheck - and nearly all benchmarks you can add already any S23 device too. Battery life of X90 Pro is more or less identical to X90 Pro+. Already on Wifi only this is about 20% shorter than S23U - and even shorter than the Vanilla 3900mAh S23. But the X90 Pro(+) probllems are clearly on network data! That's why on GSMAreana the difference is actually over 30% better for the S23U vs X90 Pro (96h vs 126). If you rely mainly on mobile data it's a 40-50% differnce - while mainly on Wifi it will be 20%.

It's a bit of a shame that notebookcheck only did the Wifi test, and not their other battery tests on the two Vivo devices. I really don't understand why - so far they nearly allways did all tests on all phones they reviewed.

GSMArena hasn't yet published the S23 reviews either - but they also had similar poor battery life (for Mediatek 9200/8Gen2) on the Vivo X90 Pro(+) phones with especially mediocre Standby times.

It's pretty ridiculous to claim the X90 Pro+ has anywhere near the battery life of the S23U. The only place where it only loses by a small margin is tests that run games/benchmarks non stop. That is explainable because both have the same chip so if the chip is maxed out - the battery consumption is pretty equal (and the only difference than the 300mAh of battery size)

So anyone claiming that the battery life would be better on X90 Pro+ could so far not provide any public tests for this.

BTW - Audio of course is also a clear winner for Samsung - both on recording as well as playback. Dxomark (which clearly is not favourable to Samsung seeing how they score them) has the Audio score at 139 vs 132 for the X90 Pro+ (S23 133, S23+ 137)

There is not much comparison of the display yet - but well likely both are pretty identical here - with both being Samsung E6. The S23U scored 148 points vs the current best Apple Iphone 14 Pro Max 149 points, differences will only be in colour calibration and that could be a bit of a gamble on device to device.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] TheMystic:
On the camera front, Samsung, Pixel and iPhone are the overall best.

Chinese brands are making excellent devices, with unmatched charging speeds and cooling systems. Their software also offers better features overall.

I have compared the Vivo X80 Pro with my S22 Ultra, and I can confirm that while the Vivo phone took great pictures, my S22U was the clear winner.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Dayuser:
Samsung Galaxy S23+ review

Time sure does fly by. Only yesterday we were celebrating the new year, and now it's already time to welcome this year's Samsung Galaxy S23 flagships....

www.gsmarena.com

Samsung Galaxy S23 review

One of the best compact phones in the world just got better - the Samsung Galaxy S23 is faster, sturdier, better connected, and with more battery juice....

www.gsmarena.com
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
Ah sorry got confused while writing this. Meant Notebookcheck... I quoted the battery results from GSMArena later down..

Yes I've seen all the tests, the text is still missing for s23 on notebookcheck, but nearly all results in. GSMArena will likely not test the pro+ but x90 pro and x90 pro+ are virtually identical in battery life (likely both the same modem) and the ltpo and maybe 8gen2 advantage averages out the slightly bigger battery on x90 pro.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Dayuser:
Okay no problem..

Have you seen this in GSMArena also

vivo X90 Pro review

Vivo's flagship crop is the strangest bunch we've ever seen - each new generation is different than the previous one, with shuffled features, different...

www.gsmarena.com
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Haskren:
Most thorough and score settling camera comparison is out
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] tomasphoto:
Hi. Here a couple of photos from the Vivo X90 Pro Plus and Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra

https://tomasbohdal.cz/photo-duel-samsung-galaxy-s23-ultra-vs-vivo-x90-pro-plus-part-i/

It only makes sense to look at the photos on a computer (larger monitor).
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Dayuser:
Oh yeah.. Night shots next when you got time to do it (y)
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] luontokoodaus:
Thanks, but I feel like blocking out your eyes is kind of a moot point when you're uploading photos to a domain with your full real name... :D

P.S. If you want to do a proper comparison of the selfie. Make sure to not flip/mirror the photo on one of the devices.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] tomasphoto:
"I took these photos on auto mode, the resulting photos are without any editing"... "just JPG as it comes out of the mobile"
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] luontokoodaus:
Did you use Zeiss natural color?