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[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] mrnovanova:
For sure. I totally get that. The thing is all the reviewers said that the s23u captured more light and that has yet to materialize for me. They were using the same software. To your point, the software should get better but I feel as though this is a hardware thing. But I'm no expert.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] mrnovanova:
If by 12MP you mean 3:4 absolutely. Didn't change anything.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Paul_Deemer:
I don't have my phone yet but there is a setting somewhere that you can choose between 200 MP, 50 MP or 12 MP in settings.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] blackhawk:
Try shooting raws, at least 3 f/stops more exposure and WB correction. Downside is the post processing effort/time required.

The issue may simply be the firmware instruction set. Samsung is notorious for dialing things in after the release. I'm still happily running N10+'s on Pie and Q. I demand a dual drive capable device. I'm not pleased at all by the newer Android versions from Gookill either.

The dead zone between pixels on such a small sensor with such a huge pixel count is concerning as is the individual pixel microlense quality. Even 20mp is pushing it. Canon full frame sensors are maxed out at about 26mp.

Regardless of the camera learning it's capabilities, limitations and shooting effectively within those boundaries is what grabs keepers.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] PhilMorin:
I haven't had issues so far with the camera outputting dark images. I've tried some shots inside at night (with main cam), shots outside, shots with main 12, 50 and 200mp modes, 3x, 10x. So far I'm pretty satisfied and also noticed a huge improvement in processing especially for 3x and 10x outside which, on my s21 ultra, I was always doing those shots with gcam. Now I could actually consider using stock, though I need to test way more extensively to know for sure.

Might help if you provide us with some pictures of the issue you're having, maybe side by side with your s22 if you still have it.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Dino Jan:
Hello, please update camera software-color are

oversaturated and unreal ( for example Red color

at most), reduce processing and sharpening. My

Samsung Note 10plus has better results! Thanks

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[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] blackhawk:
Is it the camera or the display?

Check/compare images on a properly color calibrated monitor... yeah, it's a can of worms.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] mrnovanova:
I'll try tomorrow
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] blackhawk:
In low light hold the phone as still as possible.

Use a nearby fixed object to brace it or yourself on when possible.

Using the spen as a remote shutter release will help too.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Paul_Deemer:
I got a Benro Tripod with a Phone attachment mounted on top. Gonna try that when I get the Ultra Monday doing some dark photos and using the pen as remote shutter release. Will also do same with the S22U before sending it back to Samsung.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] mrnovanova:
Okay I think this worked. I'll let you guess which is which.

Edit: @blackhawk was spot on. They were both from the S22uo_O. I have such a hard time with the app. I re-uploaded the correct pics. Left S23u Right S22u.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] blackhawk:
I loathe tripods. Learned to improvise and shoot in low light with my Canon Pro cam 15 years ago.

I'll use anything at any height or angle I can reach as a brace; with practice you can land one of a kind keepers no tripod can grab.

Smart phones are poor shooting platforms; light weight so there's little stabilizing inertia and lousy handholds. Poor shutter release and controls. However they lend themselves to bracing well enough. In a case you don't have to worry much about what you brace it on...

The traditional elbows in, wide staggered foot stance, hold your breath works too. Shooting technique counts...
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] blackhawk:
Poor example; different shooting heights skews the results. The AF lock on point is also different so the bottle's print is out of focus in the one shot. Light metering and colors look near identical in both.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Paul_Deemer:
That might work for Photos but not very well for videos especially when you are zooming in 20x. Here's is an example where I have S22U on a tripod and zoom in on a waterfall from across the canyon and pan up and down. No way you gonna do it that smoothly holding it in your hands even braced. So for videos I love the tripod. It's the very lightest one they make and perfect for cell phones or light cameras. Change YouTube resolution to 1080p for best viewing.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] blackhawk:
Image stabilization helps but I'm not big on vids.

I'm a street shooter... shoot from the hip.

Like the Samsung view motion picture option though. Discover that after over 3 years🤣
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] lil_kujo:
I just got the device yesterday and changed it from the pixel 7 pro and the night photography is pretty legit. I'm really liking the device and the camera can't really complain last time I owned i Samsung was the galaxy note 8.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Fl1nt91:
Playing around with the gcam
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] robi101012981:
I can say that I'm really disappointed by the quality of videos taken with the Super Steady mode in low light... I can see a lot artifacts and the image it's not properly processed..
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] blackhawk:
You see how small the lense and sensor are?

Limited light ie sample gathering ability. 30 fps! At the same time it's also increasing the sensor temperature and raising the noise floor.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] robi101012981:
I'll post an example to see what I'm talking about, it has a bizarre behavior, it's not sharp, then suddenly for 1 second, it's applying sharpness, and the image it's looking good...

Proof: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vkqV-EkuZG85H35nvtEW_sVcgMKCuc40/view?usp=sharing
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] mrnovanova:
I tried in a darker situation and the 23u crushes it. The colors are so accurate.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] MartinMKR:
Mate, turn off auto tracking focus when you are taking a video of 30 people dancing
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] lil_kujo:
Using the 30 times zoom, a distance of more than 2 miles.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] swamp7:
What's interesting is that the one on the right is darker, but much clearer.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] mrnovanova:
I messed up. I reuploaded the right pics.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] swamp7:
The one on the left seems much clearer
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] bodomfan:
First pic is better
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] PhilMorin:
The first one is definitely better. Do you have scene optimization enabled on both? Did they both trigger the pseudo night mode (not sure it was available on s22?) you might want to test with and without that moon icon enabled if it gives you the option.

The first one seems to brighten the room at the back a bit more but otherwise, beside some color differences, the exposure seems relatively similar in both.

The blur on the 2nd shot could be due to that pseudo night mode if you moved a bit before it was done.

Just doing some guesses here.. Assuming 1st pic is the s22 since you said you're unhappy with the s23? I also imagine you've done multiple shots with the s23 to see if you get consistent blurry results?
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] AJ732101:
Big let down waht the S23U exposes via the Camera2 API or better what not.

No

HEIC

High Resolutions

4K @ 60fps

8K

RAW/DNG on fromt camera
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] MrDusan:
When I got the phone a few days ago, i notices that the camera performance is a bit... Underwhelming. So I wanted to give it a few days to test out.

Today i want out and tested it, compared to my s21ultra, and I'm still feeling like this camera should be much more capable.

I kept getting better results in the daylight photos from s21u. Which is very frustrating because people kept saying that this phone's camera is better even than s22.

Also, I found out that the stabilization is bad. I tried walking down the stairs with borh phones, and s23u is much more shaky. I was recording in 1080p 60fps. I thought that maybe my stabilization on main camera doesn't work, but 3x camera is also shaky. Even while just walking, it's not stable as it should be.

Does anyone else experience this?
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Dummen:
Something is wrong there I guess. I also had the s21u (exynos) and s23u is way better in every aspect of the camera. Video is steady as h3ll(even at 10x lens), I tried 4k30 only yet.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] MrDusan:
I guess something is wrong, but what's not logical to me is that all lenses have the same issue. Not sure what could be the issue...
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] miguelito18:
Did you turn on super steady mode?
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] MrDusan:
No, but I don't think that super steady is needed for regular recording conditions, since s21u performed better without super steady
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] MrDusan:
Update on this: I did some more testing and came to conclusion that only 1080p60 is affected by this stabilization issue. On 1080p30 and 4k60 there are no issues with the stabilization.

When I'm recording 1080p60 the viewfinder of the camera app behaves like it's applying the stabilization, and once i save the video and open it from gallery it's not stabilized anymore.

Could someone test this pls?
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] kolyan:
So after so much hype the camera is actually worse than s22 in some scenarios......ok. well let's hope for an update
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] pogi.paul0119:
Loving the camera of this .. far from perfect but it's awesome..
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] l3wish:
I havent had issues with the video on the s23 ultra yet. However, last night I was out taking some night shots and ran into a bunch of issues. When shooting in pro mode I have it set to RAW and it keeps shooting in JPG. Also, when shooting with the raw expert the pics are corrupted and can't be share or open in lightroom. Some are saved in JPG and some in Raw
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] EtherealRemnant:
I'm pretty happy with the camera. It's not as easy to get a good shot as my Pixel 7 Pro but the point and shoot shots still aren't bad, especially if you set it to 50MP for the shot. I have only had two shots I didn't like though. This camera is worlds better than the OnePlus 9 and that was my concern leaving the Pixel. I'm seriously happy.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] tomy159:
Hi,

Not sure, like I read all of you here, I came from pixel 7 pro, after few years I'm back on Samsung.

In natural cases outdoor (just open app and make pictures) pixel is much better, actually big issue I got is red on faces like now on the snow ( around is snow and green hill background) but faces is so red unnatural.

Many pictures is like that, then in forest when we walk pictures is great. It's just in some scenarios when rolours is over pallets, hope that could be fixed.

Yes I know in pro you can change it but 90% people just take it and make pictures moments pictures
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] shaolin95:
During a photoshoot this weekend I decided to try the phone 10x and it did pretty good. Much better than my previous attempt with the 22 Ultra
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] theptgamer88:
So I tried the camera.

Its still needs some improvements
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] mzsquared:
Took some pics w/ 23U for the first time today in really poor light, gray-heavy clouds and just point&shot with various .6/1/3 lenses so I could see the basics of this camera abilities. Found out that the pictures I took with less light(under the trees canopy) are better vs the pics taken with more light in open spaces. The 'bridge deck' picture is an example of unnaturally over saturated photo with yellow - there wasn't that much yellow there and the green looks funny as well.

I still have 22u, did factory reset hoping to sell it for more then Samsung trade offer, but now I started contemplating keeping S22U and sell 23u instead if Samsung won't be able to fix the camera software, I wish we could clone the S22U software and use it on 23.(am kidding) Some of my S22U pictures are that good!
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Talderon:
Here are some views of the city I live in (St. George, UT) that I took from an overlook.

These were all shot on Auto settings in 9:16 mode.

Album Link:

No Zoom:

2x Zoom:

3x Zoom:

10x Zoom:

30x Zoom:
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] theptgamer88:
Meh how did u manage to take such beautiful photo?
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] dazed1:
In normal light conditons that are a bit more flat, (not much dynamic light into the scene) lowish light, medium light, and even low light but not total darkness.

Turn off scene optimizer

Turn off auto night mode (moon icon disable it)

Turn on soft picture on medium = massive improvement in image quality.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] theboz1419:
Its not much but I thought the night vision did a pretty good job when I had to take this picture for work. I forgot I didn't have the flash on and realized I did not need it. Inside the trailer was pretty dark, no lights. There were light on in the warehouse, though, which I thought would have made the make the picture darker then it did.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Sathish.T:
I think the camera performance is good, it is similar to the S22 Ultra which one of my friends has. I tested my S23 U with his phone and the quality of the images is better than S22 U!
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] shaolin95:
Easily better than the 22 ultra which I had. The 10x and 3x were barely usable on that one
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] otonieru:
The camera is still kinda hit or miss. I think it's more software than hardware. The color rendition is really great i, but the focus is slightly clumsy/slow/inconsistent, especially compared to my pixel 7 pro.

on 12MP mode, the detail and sharpness is still slightly bellow the level of pixel.

50 & 200MP are surprisingly good though.

Hopefully samsung release updates/patch soon
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Joloxx9:
What does it gives us?
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] koahhe:
After taking hundreds of pictures in the last 10 days since I got the phone the conclusion is that the Pixel 7 Pro is still the king for point-and-shoot. I still have my P7 Pro and have been comparing them in multiple scenarios. The auto mode for the Ultra is an absolute mess and I am surprised not many reviewers mention that. The pictures are overexposed, oversharpened, and oversaturated. And before anyone asks, yes I did switch off the scene optimiser and installed the camera settings from the Samsung Appstore but I could not find any setting that improves things.

If you set the auto camera to 50MP and you have a sunny day then yes the auto will be good or at least decent most of the time but that is also the case for phones costing 3x less than the Ultra. The best and easiest way for me to take good pictures is to use the Expert Raw camera set on 50 MP and everything else on auto. The annoying thing is that when setting the quick action of double pressing the power button to open the Expert Raw camera I need to unlock the phone first, it won't open the camera as it does with the standard camera app. Does anyone know a setting that can change this?

I hope Samsung will provide a software update soon as I still prefer to use my smartphone camera as a point-and-shoot and not have to fiddle with the settings too much.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] MilgeS:
I agree with all the above, pictures are a bit hit and miss at the moment, sometimes dreadfully overexposed/saturated.

I set my double click to Expert Raw today too, in the hope they had changed having to unlock the phone like it was on my S21U, but no, still have to unlock. Hopefully some relatively simple fixes to sort some of the above problems out.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Nmc_alves®:
Esconde a matrícula da gnr...
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] AJ732101:
The difference between quality vs. speed priority (to be set in the Camera Assistant) is huge

Here a 1:1 comparison for 200MP

Not only on the details level also the colors are affected by changing this single parameter
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] blackhawk:
Looks like some cam shake in the first one...
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] dazed1:
This is for the people that think that GCAM is not worth it, even in low light.

https://xdaforums.com/t/jpg-image-overprocessing-from-camera.4556773/post-88202771
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] AJ732101:
No, this 100% reproducable (make a try by changing the respective setting in Camera Assistant)
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] samalo22:
Hello sorry for my English I use a translator.

you have to download camera assistant (blue square logo) it improves the quality of the camera I understand? THANK YOU
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] fkofilee:
P7P is still king of P&S as far as I am concerned. I have the S23 Ultra, it does give the P7P a run for its money but Google edges it out.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] illetyus:
Night shot from yesterday..

Greetings from Turkey.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] citytrader:
Fantastic shot from GCAM, very sharp... GCAM is a none sense.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Diexmax:
Hi Friend, can you share how you set this priority? Quality
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] xwonic:
The "integrated" expert raw option in camera app like many reviewers told is bull. Its basically a shortcut, you can't drag it to the camera profile bellow and you still have an app in the drawer. You still get 2 different apps in recent tab.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] koahhe:
I agree with this. I stopped using the Raw Expert app and I just shoot with the normal camera in 50MP. I could not find any picture quality difference between shooting in 50MP with the Raw Expert app and the normal camera 50 MP.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] koahhe:
Samsung S23 Ultra: Photographer's Review

This is one of the best camera review videos for the S23 Ultra. The guy is a professional photographer and he gives some good tips. In short, shoot in 50MP, keep Picture Softening on Off, and only use Scene Optimiser for low light shooting.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] koahhe:
You need to install the Camera Assistant app from the Galaxy Store.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Darbar1701:
Does anyone know how to copy an extracted image and paste it into another opinion but I can't do it, I can only do the first part, extract am image, but can't see an option to paste it into another photo?
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] koahhe:
I have attached a few pictures I took in the last few days. Unedited, without any filters applied, taken with the auto camera mode 50MB for the bridge one and 200MB for the other two. The detail and color reproduction of the church one are very impressive.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] OnnoJ:
Actually, you don't... Like with Expert Raw, also Camera Assistant is already 'integrated' into (or better: accessible from) the Camera app.

You can still install Camera Assistant app though, resulting in a second instance of this app, with same functionalities.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] koahhe:
I had to install Camera Assistant from the Galaxy Store for it to be accessible from the camera app.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] mrD_VN:
For 50mp and 200mp:

1. pics form my s23 ultra are always overexposed, so dissapointed. Esp with the sky, easily blown own out and not as "blue sky" as with 12mp, or as used to be with Note 10 plus. In low light, things are noticeably smoothed out, not clear-edged :(

2. shutter speed slow down compared with that taken in 12mp, that 's why pics are always overexposed and slightly blurrr (unless u hold the phone very very steady)

3. pics seem smoothed out, not clear-edged

Is it mine only or..... ?
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] trenzterra:
Anyone experiencing noticeably worst image quality after the latest update, with 200mp photos? The speed of taking photos have increased, but now I am getting watercolour paintings in areas such as foliage where it was perfectly clear previously.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] mrD_VN:
exactly, many areas are smoothed out, not clear-edge. terrible
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] dazed1:
What?
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] blackhawk:
Interesting. That water color smoothed out crap dates back to the N10+. This one is still running on Pie so doesn't have the latest cam updates. I see it happen with cat fur sometimes and it's not the wind, shutter speed, low light or AF point*!

Doesn't always happen though. May have to do with cam settings. I haven't paid it too much attention but it's irritating when it happens.

Try using the "motion picture" photo option if you have it. Haven't seen it when using that mode and it's great for active subject shots.

Don't go too nuts or you'll drive yourself mad. Relax and play with it... See the world as your cam sees it rather than your eyes which are infinitely better due in large part to their huge visual cortex processor.

*the cam not grabbing a good sample can happen with any cam. Sometimes it's a metering setting and/or AF lock on point issue ie user caused. This can happen with $6G pro cams🤣 Not much white paper on how Samsung cams work like Canon gives its users. No pro tools like advanced metering modes and real time contrast curves to set up exposures. So there's that.

Learn how your cam "sees". Trial and error. Try the different metering/exposure modes associated with the AF lock. At least you can see your results in seconds, not hours or days latter.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] samalo22:
Hello

Which capture speed setting did you choose?

- priority quality

-balance for speed and quality

- prioritize speed

thanks
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] Fl1nt91:
As name explain quality really degrades
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] mrD_VN:
tnks for you rep, at least have sb on my side :)

"See the world as your cam sees it rather than your eyes which are infinitely better due in large part to their huge visual cortex processor." totally agree. anyway, when put in comparison with Note 10 + or..... :(

howevers, such bad things happen only in 50 and 100 mp. 12mp is ok !

did try with HDR toggle, but results are still inconsistent. so , again. leave all settings as default
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra] blackhawk:
The motion picture setting images are only viewable with the Samsung Gallery as my other photo viewers can't detect that encoding.

Current setup:

HDR is on, in the past I disabled it.

Rear cam resolution set to Full instead of 16:9, that may effect the smudging.

Scene optimizer is on now, it's blue icon shows but all Bixby packages are disabled. Another setting I never had on... if it actually is.

I don't know what causes the smudging especially in daylight shots. It doesn't seem to be happening in recent shots. It grabbing good images now.

With the 50/100/200 mp settings* no clue why it's smudging although it's not new. May be the same unknown cause or something new.

I don't normally shoot raws and for troubleshooting that give more clues to the possible cause.

One final thought is it could be temperature related ie higher sensor temperatures is creating more background noise. This normally only a low light issue though. Maybe the smaller pixels yielding a smaller sample during their noise nulling phase impacts their final sample because they can't set a precise/uniform enough base level. Try shooting with a cooler cam.

* the telephoto lense isn't optically stabilized so I assume it's being done digitally. Try bracing the cam when shooting at max pixel settings