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[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
Looks like the much much better X90 Pro+ on first look.

Software Policy that promises 3 major android upgrades, 5 years of security updates vs nothing on Vivo (likely 1-2 major upgrades only). Caveat on MWC it was spotted with Android 12 out of the box - but the China OS version seems to be on Android 13. Very unlikely it will launch with Android 12.

Software stability/notificatins: Yeah Huawei/Honor isn't top but way better than Vivo.

Google: fully inbuilt on European model - no China OS spyware

Sensor: Yes it's only 1/1.12" but it has F1.6 vs F1.8 so the natural bokeh will be pretty identical. Amount of light per pixel even slightly better

Ultrawicde: a bit higher quality sensor,

Selfie sensor: much better.

Zoom: Identical but faster lens - so in theory also slightly better. F3.0 vs F3.5

Camera software: well Huawei has always been top...

Battery: 5100maH (Global version only, Chinese gets 5450) vs 4700 on X90..

Bluetooth: X90 Pro+ has 5.3 s 5.2 only on Huawei.

Wifi: some special Wifi 6 promised - but both miss Wifi 6e and Wifi 7 as it looks now

esim: Magic 5 Pro should come with e-sim and dual sim for Europe.

Price: 1200€ including VAT and warranty in Europa - price is for Germany.... (that's basically identical to China plus VAT)

Price in China: The 90 Pro+ has today dropped today with vouchers to 4500RMB on JD (quite a drop from once 6999RMB even tough it was available at 6000 right from the start - Magic 5 Pro starts at 7473RMB - don't know about discounts... Clearly in China the X90Pro+ is a bargain vs the Magic 5 Pro in price right now. S23 Ultra goes for around 78000 RMB in China for the 512GB version.

Biggest default for Magic 5 Pro: concering camera: no variable aperture! This will hurt exactly the same as on X90 Pro+. Likely Xiaomi 13 Ultra will have the better main camera due to variable aperture on the IMX 989.

Magic 5 Pro likely has small Ultrasonic fingerprint sensor only (however their face unlock should be safer - unlike Vivo that opens with a picture...)
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Haskren:
I'm really enjoying the 2x f/1.6 zoom on the Vivo - using it more than the main camera at the moment
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
I understand that if you want to shoot portrait, 50mm is the sweet spot, it's always been. But assuming you want to use the stock camera in portrait mode, do you really thing the main sensor at 1.9x (or even better disable the lens auto switching) vs the portrait sensor is worse?

I feel it's a tiny bit different but not really worse so I feel the 2.2x camera is a bit useless anyhow. But yeah I much rather have a main sensor with variable aperture if it uses such a big sensor and the honor fails this one as well. But the rest of the package to me is much much better than the Vivo.

Oh and I was wrong about the sensor. Read a wrong report. The zoom lens uses IMX 858 not the omnivision 64b as on that vivo. Both are using periscope 90mm however.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] maxel77:
I think you should sell your Vivo X90 Pro Plus as you bought it anawares. You were probably forced to buy it by someone.

Certainly the Honor Magic 5 Pro is an excellent smartphone but the hardware seems to me to be on par with the Vivo X90 Pro Plus and certainly not superior. A big flaw is that they have lowered the charging speed from 100W to 66W. Reading your words, it almost seems to me that we are talking about a comparison between a Twingo and a Ferrari... so I wonder again, why did you buy the Vivo X90 Pro Plus since the specifications and potential problems related to the software and frequency of updates (on a device imported from China) have been known for some time?

You knew very well what you were getting into. Do yourself and all of us a favor. Sell your Vivo and buy Honor Magic 5 Pro.

There is a great forum here dedicated to that brand.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
Well if you read reviews like the XDA one: https://www.xda-developers.com/vivo-x90-pro-plus-review/

There is no mention at all about rotten software experience..I didn't dig through the forums to find this out. Plus In Taiwan the s23U is crazy expensive in comparison vs a China import of x90pro+ and I wanted a phone with great battery life and waited especially for 8gen2 for that. Not knowing vivo would mess that up due to a power hungry modem which clearly isn't x70.

The magic 5 clearly also hasn't x70 modem, nor does it seem to use fast connect at all. But honor/Huawei have great track record in sourcing battery efficient components. If that applies to magic 5 pro has to be seen.

Not being able to sell the x90pro+ for more than 500 euros in Taiwan I wait to be back in Europe and then exchange it against a phone with good software and battery life. Maybe s23U, if significantly cheaper maybe magic 5 pro. If until mid may it's clear that Pixel 8 would use a Samsung 3nm processor I may just wait for pixel 8 pro. Clearly nothing from BBK or Xiaomi cause they don't know how to do software and support.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] maxel77:
I think even more you made an unconscious purchase. As many here will be able to confirm to you, buying imported smartphones or other devices coming from China is only advisable for very aware users or advanced users.

Vivo has always made great cameraphones, not battery phones. S23U has a battery that lasts longer but also has a much slower recharge and this in my opinion is a big flaw for those who use their smartphone a lot.

I think you should evaluate the purchase of Xiaomi 13 Pro which has excellent cameras (although not at the level of Vivo X90 Pro Plus) and a battery that lasts long enough but above all with a very fast recharge.

My previous smartphone was the Xiaomi 11T Pro and I can assure you that a 120W recharge completely solves any battery problems.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
Nope I couldn't care much about charging. I need a phone that lasts as long as possible while being outdoors. No access to chargers.

And Xiaomi has horrible software and not great battery life either. And I need a decent tele and main camera. Don't care much about ultrawide. Plus I of course expect stable and functional software. I don't care about homescreen or widgets at all, as I'm fine with Nova
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] mbfamily:
Is it possible to install Google Services on Honor phones?

Or even root and remove Chinese spyware?
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
Honor will be available with global OS. Impossible on Chinese OS. And the price is nearly the same as jn China, unlike vivo and Xiaomi who ask for ridiculous prices
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] b2rdetor:
No, Samsung is not better than Vivo in terms of autonomy. Yes, it can also give you 8-9 hours of screen time, and the next day only 5 - you'll never be sure of its battery life. Samsung has never been good at autonomy and batteries.

About honor. Not bad, but much more expensive than vivo, plus the main sensor gn2 against 989 is worse.

variable aperture is not an advantage - it's pure marketing, nothing more.

it also has a very very strange design with some kind of giant camera module. horror. Yes, and the appearance is not serious. Vivo has a very cool and at the same time strict appearance.

well, maybe he will take great photos, but what about the video recording in which the huawei and honor never knew how ...
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
Read the reviews - Samsung is 5% better on continous gamin/benchmark tests (as expected due to bigger battery), 20% better on surfing via Wifi, 40-50% better on standby and surfing via 4G/5G or calltime. It's not even a competition. The S23U crunches the X90P+ and other X90 series with ease.

Samsung used to be average - but that was due to their Exynos processors malperforming. Considering Samsung before more or less matched the competition with worse SOC was actually quite impressive. It's way better than Vivo X90 Pro+ in battery runtime (charging slower of course). And in the past the Galaxy S8+ was actually the best device for battery life too.

The GN2 will likely be used on Pixel 8 too. Should it come with 50MP on camera2api it will be the perfect sensor for gcam mods. Yes video was never a strong place for Huawei. But I'm also not impressed with Vivo either. It's not even confirmed it's GN2 just likely (due to size). However some sources claim it has an IMX878 sensor for the main cam. Nothing would be known so far about that sensor. Maybe the 878 will only come on the Magic 5 Ultimate (which will be China only).
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] vendetta17:
Hello , my lovely friend . Can i ask you again why you bought such a bad phone like the X90 pro plus ? what are you trying to prove here? I know i risk getting blocked soon because of you . Can you please tell me why on earth you still use the x90 pro plus? we got your point , its sh*t , you hate it . You are the only guy here who has this opinion .even so we respect that. Why do you use this phone if its so dissapointing to you ?
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] maxel77:
The sad thing is that he bought it thinking it was a battery phone but he is also complaining about photo quality even if in many comparisons Vivo is better than S23U.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] vendetta17:
He is complaining about battery , camera , design , modem , google services ( everybody knows the problems with chinese phones) . How is that possible ? How is that even being tolerated every single day its beyond my power of understanding . I get it peoples got opinions , i like criticism as long as its constructive and realistic . But he is literally aberrating . Im ready to be banned right now . Banned for speaking in the name of 99% of this forum .
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Deleted member 11872899:
I think it should be even preinstalled on the global variant. They're saying 5G is also possible so I don't see the problem to release the phone with Playstore or Google apps.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] b2rdetor:
reviews? seriously? what about the owners?

reviews have never been true about samsungs (I owned a samsung for a long time and I will not return to this hell again). the reality is that today it will give out 8 hours of screen, like vivo x90pp, and tomorrow under the same conditions it will be only 5...

I'm sure the honor will be more autonomous, as they install high-quality batteries and optimize the firmware kernel well, but definitely not Samsung

Samsung is not a competitor for vivo at all in all parametres, except maybe with a s-pen
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] b2rdetor:
as you can read above it rates the phone based on reviews and not actual usage or even owner reviews on forums
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
Reading the threads about battery lifes with screenshots it's ace clear too. S23U is way better than the x90pro+. Vivo gets 7-8 hours only with wifi, s23U gets 10-12 hours on WiFi for DoT. Some people even squeezed 14 hours out of s23U.

With mobile data all day without WiFi and consuming 2-3 GB lucky to get 6-7 hours from x90. If bad reception and using the camera I've had 4 hours only over 12 hours use.

There's a battery thread here and besides me no one posted screenshots from accubattery...

As I often said, it's clear the modem/firmware is the culprit. It can easily be verified by using both s23u and x90pro+ as hotspot and download a big file. X90pro+ goes down 5% every 20minutes. Vs 3% on s23U. 3G call time and standby see Dxomark, clearly better than Vivo. If you are on wifi all day or don't use much mobile data the difference is much smaller. Changing Vivo stock camera for gcam saves a lot of battery too (stock camera literally sucks the battery empty in no time).

The last firmware update improved the modem slightly, so when surfing news websites/text the consumption is better now. When watching YouTube or high resolution video on X90pp over mobile data it's still munching battery like crazy (I even tested that very close to a cell tower at -70db reception, cannot get much better).

If reception is really bad, meaning -110db or less the X90pp drains like crazy but keeps the connection where my reference (Huawei p30 pro) would often drop the network. at least with screen off and for background data I would prefer a more battery conservative strategy. Not sure how S23U behaves, but X90pp even in the least power balanced network mode is a real battery sucker. Meaning while being outdoors I have to put it in airplane mode or switch of mobile data to make it a day. Same use case my p30pro would hold up nearly two days (yeah much brighter screen in sunlight makes a difference too, but much less than the modem).

Yeah because of bigger cooling x90pro+ will drain faster under load in benchmark tests, but in normal use neither phone gets close to overheating plus x90pro+ allows this overheating anyhow only for benchmark apps (57° measured for example by toviworks YouTuber, vs 43° on s23U). Without benchmark mode the X90pp actually throttles already at 32° so much earlier (throttling to around 80% max speed)...

And yes, the notifications problem on the X90pp clearly plays its part too. With vivo.pem killing google FCM removing it all apps under high battery use are uncontrolled. No way to have a strategy like besides FCM push only every 120seconds allow apps to pull stuff. Deep sleep therefore is much better on Samsung where there is an intelligent deep sleep management. That explains the standby numbers.

How good will be the honor magic 5 pro? They already more or less stated that they use their own modem, even Bluetooth and WiFi won't be fastconnect 6900 like on X90pp (7800 on s23U which has better battery saving too vs 6900), but Huawei/honor have a good track record. I doubt they reach x70/fastconnect 7800 efficiency however. And unlike origin OS they have a decent sleep management.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] b2rdetor:
It looks like you have a defective phone. because I don't see anything like that on my phone. Of course, the mobile network consumes more energy, but not by that much. Here are the numbers for you. Watching videos through YouTube Wi-Fi - consumption is about 350mAh on average, which will give about 13 hours of screen if we only watch YouTube. Now 4g. consumption is about 450mAh, which will give more than 10 hours of screen. Yes, as I wrote, the mobile network on any phone consumes more. But what you described suggests that you most likely have a phone defect. I was recently on the road for about 1.5 hours. All this time there was an extremely unstable 2g3g4g network, the phone was constantly online - I needed the Internet and it constantly switched between bad networks. Moreover, two GPS navigators were continuously turned on, between which I switched. as a result, the phone sat down by a little more than 20% giving out 1.5 hours of screen time. that is, nothing like what you described on my copy is simply impossible. Well, except that I will use the phone for two days.

I do not argue that competitors will be even more energy efficient, but vivo is very good in terms of autonomy in any conditions. I highly doubt that an external modem will be better than a modem in SOC. But this needs to be tested. At least so far, no one has been able to do it.

About notifications - here I agree. Very strange behavior on different phones. It seems to be the same firmware, the same applications, the same settings, and on one phone all notifications work and even on a dark theme, and on the other they can fail even on a white theme. Everything works fine for me even with smart battery management. But I always reset the phone after purchase and install all applications from markets - I can’t stand phone cloning programs. perhaps this is the reason.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] jericho246:
The Magic5 Pro is looking impressive for sure.

I was interested in the 4 Pro last year but ultimately did not buy it because it had an IMX766 main cam which can be found on midrange phones. And without OIS at that... Not good. The Magic5 Pro looks like a significant upgrade.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
Post Screenshots of accubattery on the battery thread to show what your phone does. I'm sure mine isn't defective. The numbers match up very well. I even ran pcmarks battery test and it was more or less identical to reviews.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
Should have the same main sensor as the magic 4 pro ultimate.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] jericho246:
didn't the Ultimate have a Samsung GN2?
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
Yep from the size its the same
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] b2rdetor:
it doesn't make much sense because I've listed average power consumption.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
Well I have 470mah per hour surfing on 4G with lots of data, 400mah if little data (room light, not outdoors).. 5-6% /hour on WiFi which is better than your quoted 350maH and actually quite a lot better than most review websites. That's 235-260maH. But it's standby without WiFi and especially power use if outdoors and far away from cities (but close enough to have 1-2 cells) that drains this phone like no tomorrow. Though luckily standby did improve a bit on latest update too. Down to 0.8% per hour from 1.5% that it was on release and 1% the last month (that is really deep sleep, not average screen off).

And yeah about 1GB of 4G data equals 1% battery (with good reception, if outdoors with bad reception this can go up to 5% and thats really crazy, meaning google photos backup or similar will drain this phone if I don't switch off auto backup while being outdoors). I said already I consume 300-400GB mobile data a month so to me this really matters. My old p30pro was much better, as are phones that actually have the new Qualcomm x70 modem.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] maxel77:
In Italy we usually say that a man is making too much "mental masturbation" when all he does is create problems in his own head. What's the problem with battery?

From what I see the Vivo X90 Pro Plus has a very good battery that lasts me more than 24 hours without problems despite using it a lot. Need more autonomy? Maybe you should take 2 phones or a power bank with you. :D Even with S23 Ultra do you think the battery life is double? it will last at most 1 hour more with screen on and I'm not even sure about this thing.

You must convince youselves that the perfect phone doesn't exist. I'm sure you won't be 100% happy also with S23U and Honor Magic 5 Pro.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] jericho246:
@ 2:16 I like how Honor allows the use of 90hz refresh rate. IMO that's the sweet spot of fluidity and battery life. Sure it is possible to use 90hz on our Vivo via some adb commands but it's not an ideal solution and the adaptive refresh rate (1-90hz) doesn't seem to work properly when dark mode is on, so yeah...
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
The magic 5 pro looks pretty good. I think I'll buy it and test it against my vivo and s23 ultra.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Supreme_One:
How's the battery can anyone share more information about the Honor Magic 5 Pro? I'm curious about the SOT
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
I only really care about battery life without WiFi, because that's when I cannot recharge.

And no not double, but at least 30-40% more when outdoors. It's better than all 8gen1 phones. But kinda averages at best a 8+gen1. The comparison cannot be Samsung node 4nm phones which all suck battery life. It has to be 8gen2 or mediatek 8x00/9x00/8+gen1/8gen2.

With WiFi the X90pp trumps my old p30pro. But that's when I don't care much. When outdoors the old 4200mah without battery exchanged is equal.

Also Vivo missing hardware to stop charging, most importantly not able to charge to 80% and add up the last 20% before your alarm rings in the morning will lead to much quicker battery death.

I had thought X90pp would use fastconnect 7800 and x70, both seemingly not the case (first for sure).

Add instable software and incompatibilities with google services makes this phone really not what I want.

The camera sometimes turns out great, sometimes messes up badly. I'm pretty sure the magic 5 pro won't have as good shots when they turn out well but be more consistent. But then I rather trust Samsung software than honor in the long run. But yeah Huawei/Honor have for me after cyanogen mod the best/most logical settings menu. Settings menu from Vivo is a mess. Options cluttered around everywhere and when you return on a search function you return to the search Instead top menu. It's really not user friendly. Also Huawei keeps nearly all google features in settings while vivo removes really important ones like the possibility to remove any data (mobile/WiFi) that doesn't go through VPN.

Overall Vivo just feels like a cheapo product that isn't thought through at all. Just add features that do well on a spreadsheet/PowerPoint but all the nitty gritty never done. It really feels like a super premium budget phone.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] b2rdetor:
I absolutely disagree with you on all counts. As I say, you most likely have a defective phone, since I do not observe such a strong consumption in the mobile network. According to the settings - on the contrary, Vivo has a more or less competent organization of the menu, in contrast to, for example, the Samsung and it is very similar to how it is organized in the same harmony3 in Huawei or Honor settings. Yes, in terms of compatibility with Google services, vivo is not the best. No android auto for example. But what did you want? you take a flagship for the Chinese market with functions for China (oh, you should have seen what it can do specifically for the Chinese - you definitely wouldn’t say that about this phone) and want it to work like a global version.

You have already been told that you have chosen the wrong phone, and I added to you that if you choose a phone based on characteristics and advertising, you will never be satisfied. Sell vivo, add the same amount of money and take honor, and then write how you didn’t like him in his topic))). No offense, but the problem in your case is not vivo
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
Clearly not - my results are 1:1 comparable to what has happened on all reviews of Vivo X phones with mobile data.

Vivo X90 Pro at gsmarena - 3G talk time: 24hours, Standby 237 hours vs S23U: 39 hours, standby well over 300 hours. Overall 96h vs 127h rating.

Older Vivo X80 Pro 3G talk time: 21 hours, Overall 79h.

x70 Pro+ had 24 hours/Overall 84h.

All got a low value due to low standby values which rely a lot on the modem (especially with vivo.pem installed and those review websites testing phones out of the box without apps like whatsapp/gmail and so on installed so no push notifications arriving anyhow).

Compare that to a super old phone - P30Pro which got 100h overall on a 4200mah battery. 28h 3G talk time,

Vivo X series just absolutely sucks battery comparatively to peers with the same chip. Huawei before restrictions / Honor has been usually good (same as Samsung if looking at the Snapdragon versions) .

The X90 Pro and X90Pro+ got about the same battery life on notebookcheck - and yeah reviews may be partial, but their numbers on benchmarks are usually very reliable.

But yeah - the magic 4 Pro was also a battery life disaster - so I would wait for reliable tests concerning mobile data/standby for the magic 5 Pro before ordering it. Maybe it messes up similarily to the X90 series.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] b2rdetor:
So be it. I am completely satisfied with this autonomy. But you always talk about autonomy, but what about the quality of communication? Vivo is probably the best phone in this parameter. he catches where everyone else loses touch. Probably the whole point is that Vivo has a rather powerfully tuned radio module. On the one hand, this is good, since you get excellent communication, on the other hand, it affects autonomy. Miracles do not happen - you have to pay for everything. And you need to choose - a super autonomous phone with a poor connection or a phone with good autonomy and excellent communication)

also try to turn off 5G in sim options if you dont use it