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[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
The last 2 weeks was Chinese new year so no updates to be expected, since this week everyone is back to work again (last week many were still off).

The trial upgrade has a bug in the camera, sometimes when you get close to the sun it will overexpose so much that your screen turns white. Solve it by leaving the camera and going back in. Happened to me 3 times today around 90-60minutes before sunset trying to shoot portrait partly against the sun.

In general exposure was really a gamble. 1/3 of all shots (maybe 150) were really badly exposed. Colors have to check on PC. On Smartphone display they looked fine. But in general (same as in dxomark review), faces are underexposed when Shooting against the sunset. Vivo's HDR should be able to do it but couldn't. After some time I gave up on the camera and went gcam only, problem with gcam is that we have no proper colour profile and colours are a bit all over the table, but exposure is spot on, HDR enhanced works perfectly, and sharpness is anyhow unrivalled.

So yeah great shots today, but all of them will need editing because out of the box they are lacking. As you simply cannot fix exposure well in the post, I switched to gcam.

If vivo can fix the HDR problems in Shooting against light sources on faces, and fix exposure in general against light sources and fix colours at night - it only needs to get scene detection AI and slight improvements to auto mode. Without that the shortcomings in auto are just big.

Gcam works perfectly for pictures, but I doubt colours will ever work well...if any gcam can add automatic white balance adjustment against shooting a white paper, that would be good enough (and could be used to build up a white balance Profile if it saves it and puts some AI behind).

And yeah the problem with exposure on the stock cam is that the preview is too bad. You cannot see those problems on preview because the dynamic range is too little on preview vs actual picture.

Yes the pictures that work well are much better than iphone 13 pro , but the iphone nailed 90% of our photo session today, while the vivo failed 50%.

Up to 2 hours before sunset it was fine. The closer to sunset the messier it got.

And well I managed to drain the battery today with 3:20 hours screen on time to shutdown.

Forgot to turn of google photos sync and my battery dropped like no tomorrow.. yeah surely the next 4G tower was 15km away. 800mhz. But I could literally watch the percentage dropping.

It's 4G/5G data that drains this battery like crazy. On wifi all is fine. As soon as you have average to below average reception the battery drain is crazy like I've never seen on another phone before. And surely it's not only me.

I tested against iphone 13 pro and screen off 4G data on same network at the same time with pretty identical speeds was 1% vs 5% for again a 20 minutes test. So fix that and battery life will be outstanding (yes on wifi it's better than iphone!). If that cannot be fixed this phone will be doomed for outdoor use if you need some GB per day... I'll put some screenshots in the battery drain topic.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Thanos88:
Did you see my post which has the email addresses for Vivo support? I highly recommend you email them with all the bugs you're facing, they seem to be on top with their replies & looks like they're eager to help. Do drop them an email when you can , post all bugs/issues & be specific
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Vinzie:
Obviously it was a joke, ofcourse I appreciate your efforts by forwarding issues to vivo so we all get a better device 👍🏻 Keep up the good work!
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Thanos88:
We're all in this together bro, we can have the device near perfected if we work together 🙏
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
The thing with the AI on the stock camera is - I found quite a lot of examples where it put perfect skin color on my legs (wearing shorts) clearly doing the right HDR on them - but then missed my face. It's just those strange situations which ruin a picture. Other cams go way softer on the HDR - so even if they would miss the head too - it would be much less apparent and not be a big problem. However if the camera goes for crazy HDR approach - then it needs to be perfect and not miss some place (and yeah maybe my face isn't suited for the AI. My girlfriend wore long pants and there this problem didn't appear).

Gcam is slow - but has no problem with motion nevertheless - doesn't use nearly as strong HDR and overall just took way better pics on that sunset for me. There were 2 sets the gcam absolutely blew - but besides them the reults were just way more consistent. If the light is too low - forget the gcam because colours will be all over the hill - if it's daytime it's okay and more realistic.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Thanos88:
Any idea how to get rid of the flares when taking a photo? Super annoying and ruin the photos, mainly happen at night time
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] vendetta17:
Again , we dont care . Thanks !
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
Be happy the vivo handles it very good. You haven't used the pixel 7 Pro for example.😅

Im very happy with the stock camera but still playing with gcam. Check my screenshot below. I think with a great config the vivo will be grandiose.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Thanos88:
What's the draw backs of the gcam? Would you have it as the primary camera over the stock camera?
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
Hmm I'm still testing a lot but for now I can clearly say for portraits shots with the 2x zoom lens I prefer gcam. For the rest I'm still not sure.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] jericho246:
Wait, you mean the issue with notifications in dark mode?
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Thanos88:
Yes and overall notification issues will be fixed. But to be honest my notifications performance is the same with and without dark mode and with vivo.pem installed , as long as I have the app as auto run/auto start
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] mbfamily:
GCam produces much more detail, you can even activate 2x upscaling in GCam and the pictures will be more detailed than the "high resolution" images from the stock camera.

Unfortunately the colors are off with GCam (orange is rendered pink etc.), which makes it unusable for most situations for now. At least with BigKaka GCam.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] mbfamily:
Which GCam APK are you using?
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
Colors are fine. You'll need to play with color transformation.

Upscaling isnt correct i guess your focus on stock was bad.

I'm using Shamim latest 8.4.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] mbfamily:
Nope, I tried it many many times. No focus issue, GCam upscaling definitely produces better details than stock high resolution. The upscaling method is based on a Google Research paper (https://arxiv.org/pdf/1905.03277.pdf) and apparently it's superior to the debayering algorithm applied to the the quad-bayer sensors by the stock camera. It doesn't work with moving subjects however.

Did you adjust the color transformation? Can you share the settings?
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
No! Super res isn't fake upscaling what Gcam mods do. That's a completely different thing. If you don't believe me feel free to contact any Gcam mod dev you want. You'll always need some hacks and mods for full res. We have experienced that a lot with the mi 11 Ultra when we donated a device to arnova. Upscaling in Gcam is total bullsh!t. Look at my attached screenshots. They're both taken with same configs and mods but one is upscaled and the other isn't. They're completely identical in quality or details. The difference is the filesize and the mega pixels, that's all.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Haskren:
What you are describing is a camera phone that is totally broken and should never have been released. We might as well close down the x90 pro+ forum, because why even bother considering a phone that is so utterly useless.

A phone that exposed skin tones correctly on the legs but not on the face? Never heard of that. Do you have examples to share?
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] vendetta17:
Can please , please , please , someone ban extremecarver from this forum ? At least mute him for about 2 decades . This guy its the most annoying being on earth . He is only talking nonsense and false stuff. Somebody ban him , please !

The amount of false claims its outrageous !
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
Oh no i don't want to see some shaved legs🤣
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
Just put him on the ignore list. You won't even see his posts anymore only when you click on them. Works fine, check my screenshot.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] vendetta17:
I was not aware of this . Thanks for the tip ! Helps a lot !
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Haskren:
I'm OK to hear legit criticism, but it does seem quite exaggerated - if not genuine, what is his angle? Why spend so much time convincing us the phone is useless?
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] vendetta17:
Exactly . Legit criticism its more than welcome . That dude write long texts here basically saying nothing every single time . Literally every single person owning the phone told him they got no clue about what he is talking about . And he keeps going , going and going. If im not mistaken i think its against the forum rules aswell . But well , im grateful for the ignore setting .
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] swoofz:
May I know which email address you contacted? I would like to raise the issue of Google Location History can't be activated. Thanks!
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Thanos88:
Service.global@vivo.com
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
That will not work without google maps being a system app as far as I know. Same as google assistant (conversation and hotword). So they will never fix this on a Chinese phone.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
Small bug that happened now already a couple of times when I try to delete an email in Gmail.

Instead of deleting the mail a window pops up that tells me about the running background services.

Clicking on got it and again delete just has the window pop up again. This didn't happen before the trial version from February.

Fix it by closing Gmail in the app drawer and re opening it. It's basically that the delete button is in the same position as the running services in the draw down drawer - so some window overlap problem?

Edit: Actually I think some other apps may have problems clicking in that are too. Had again a problem in a forum where I could not open a menu with the button in that area - however just would not react instead of opening the running apps menu. Top right corner of phone, all other areas never problematic. Doesn't happen all the time, maybe 1 out of 10 clicks in that area. Enough to notice.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] jericho246:
No mention of any fix for notifications in latest update's changelog.. :(

although there is "optimized the compatibility of some third party apps" so maybe it's that? Can't test at the moment, but we'll see.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
Which version? I haven't got a new update so far.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Vinzie:
13.0.18.3 is just released apparently....I've not gotten it though.... (keep checking every 10 minutes... ^_^)
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
I'm running that already for a week i think. That's not new to me.😅
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] jericho246:
Updated via trial or official?
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Vinzie:
It got release via trial a week ago and I today I read for the first time someone got it officially.... I'm still on 13.0.18.2 though..

What seems weird is that the version has the letter B after the model number (PD_2227B)... my version has the letter C (PD_2227C) in the software version... anyone has an idea what this letter means ?
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
I think it was trial but I'm not sure anymore. The buildnumber is exactly the same. I think the update was like 170mb.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] jericho246:
I think I've seen some people having PD_2227A as well. No idea what it means though, but it looks like A, B and C don't get the updates at the same time.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
Hmm that's interesting. I have a V2227A device with 2227B software.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Vinzie:
Since the only difference is in storage size (there only is the China model) could it be that the B or C indicates the storage size ? Mine is a C and it is 512 gb.. could a B mean 256 gb ?
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
Well that's something I have also thought about. My device is V2227A and has 256GB
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Vinzie:
Mmm, never though to look at the modelnumber in 'about phone'...... I have 2227A device with 2227C software... so I guess that means the letter does not say anything about storage size...
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
Well there is still the phone color difference.🤣🤣 But yeah that's nonsense I'm joking.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Thanos88:
I got the update too, it was around 130mb. Let's see if notifications work. If they don't, I'll have to email them again 🤦🤦
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
I doubt that since its the same version I'm already running for a week. Its probably fixed in the next version.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Thanos88:
Yeah true 👍
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Vinzie:
Then we should also have a D version... since 2 colors and 2 storage sizes gives 4 options... :P
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
That version was compiled on 14. January btw.. that's a really slow roll out (but maybe due to CNY). I also have B with 256GB size.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Vinzie:
So seems legit that B is for 256 and C for 512 (I ordered 256 but got 512 from tradingshenzhen, apparently the send 512 if 256 is out of stock). Does anyone with C already have the update...???
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
Maybe makes more sense if some people post their about page screenshot.

Because we also got a hardware version there. 256GB.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Vinzie:
But this screen does not tell you the storage size right ?
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
No I edited my post after noticing that
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] PILLS2389:
I have the A version, 512GB Black.

Installed version is 2227C_A, and I didn't received the updane notification yet.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Vinzie:
So same as mine... Didn't got the 18.3 update too
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] rsr1:
I have C_A 512gb black and I have 18.3
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
Seems like overall model number for the vivo x90 pro plus is V2227A and we have B_A firmware for the 256GB variant and C_A firmware for the 512gb variant. And there is no A_A firmware since there are two variants only. Color surely doesn't matter.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
X90 pro+ review on notebookcheck incoming soon:

The power draw on charger is much higher than Xiaomi 13...

Battery scores not accessible yet. But then they do not include 4g/5g so will be pretty good. But s23U will be another level very likely
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Thanos88:
Next update hopefully will fix the notifications. The Vivo team email me

S23 battery life tests are already out. It's pretty much on par with the iPhone 14 pro max
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
I know, the X90 Pro+ is far away from iphone 14 pro max levels. Quite hard to understand why because it should do better for it's hardware but so far in any test near the bottom for 8gen2 devices with ltpo display. Yeah OnePlus 11 is very bottom...

S23u got around 20 hours for continuous websurfing....

So far no direct comparison but s23u was always on top vs other 8gen2 devices.

And yeah don't compare with 8gen1 - those phones are all bad for battery life.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Vinzie:
What did they say? Any time path?
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
Crazy power draw vs Xiaomi 13/13pro

Maybe those with rose glasses will understand sometimes that Vivo got it wrong... Any comparison to other 8gen2 it looks bad , yeah except OnePlus 11 that botched up so hard it competes with 8gen1 devices...

Can Vivo fix it? Because this should be a 10 hours DoT device not 7....

I bet s23U will score 91-93 percent vs 89.4 from x90pro+ overall.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Thanos88:
They said the next system upgrade will address the notification issue. However, this was after the release of the beta update which became official today. No time path unfortunately
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Thanos88:
Do you want to buy mine 😊
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] vendetta17:
At first reach extremecarver's level of madness . Then we will talk .
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Thanos88:
Just a quick review on the new update I got today,

WiFi is blazingly faster than before

Battery has definitely improved

Thermals are slightly better

Overall definitely a step in the right direction
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] moi_dar:
Is this is genuine statement or just pulling his legs. I have recently ordered mine since I realised that the pro+ version will never get a global release. Been reading the entire thread hoping that i will not regret my decision since this would be the first Chinese version phone that I would have purchased.

Any word of advice?
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Vinzie:
I had several china only devices (I'm from the Netherlands) and they work just fine for me. Only real issue I have is that the phone shows 'unknown number' for every incoming call while VOLTE is enabled.. Vivo support said that it will be fixed in next (18.3?) update.. I don't need android auto or google assistant, all other stuff I use works fine for me.... Is there anything in particulair you want to know ?

The 18.3 update notes say that more information is available on the WeChat originOS channel, can anyone who has access to this channel maybe lookup if any more information on the update is available there (I'm not on WeChat) ?
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] moi_dar:
I logged into Wechat to check, doesn't seem to have any information on 18.3 except that it is now OS 3.

I don't use AA or google assistant so that is fine. Will try to use the debloat and see how things go. Just crossing fingers that it will be glitch free!
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Vinzie:
Thanks for checking WeChat! Besides the one I mentioned I don't encounter big issues... But perhaps I use the phone differently from you...
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Ahmednaif95:
What is the update number and did u received it today?
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Thanos88:
Nawwww just pulling his legs lol, I'm keeping it. To be honest, if the dbloat wasn't possible, I would have sold it because I simply cannot stand having other languages, which I don't understand, in the phone's interface. I bought a red Magic phone a few years ago, a global edition, that had Chinese texts in random places on the interface. I had never sold anything so quick in my life 🤣 and told myself I would never buy anything with a foreign language again.

But seeing the x90 pro plus tempted me again, especially with the camera & the beautiful screen.. And to top it off, the debloating is available so 99.9% if not a 100% of foreign language bloatware can be removed from the x90 Pro Plus 😊

And as we all know the x90 pro plus isn't coming global. I would have sold my x90 pro plus on one condition, if there was a global edition. But that's not happening so this one is staying with me for the foreseeable future.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Thanos88:
Received it yesterday,

PD2227C_A_13.0.18.3.W10.V000L1
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Thanos88:
Another email from Vivo, the notification fix update is incoming. I mentioned the battery life just for the sake of it & they said they'll forward that to the correct team . Battery life is of course good but I'm sure we can all agree it has potential for further improvement, considering the phone has the Snapdragon 8 Gen 2.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] jericho246:
nice. Hopefully it's not just empty promises.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] 77ntonio:
You probably won't regret it. It's a really nice phone. Very premium. But, you'll have to be patient. Don't expect it to be perfect straight out of the box, or you'll be somewhat disappointed... You'll need to tinker with some stuff to get it to work just how you want it to. Most, if not all, most popular apps work just fine. Any other "major issues" have probably already been discovered and addressed by other users, so you can just come on here and find info. Some of the Vivo apps are mainly non-english, so I'd suggest an on-screen translator or have another phone at-hand to use the camera translation.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Thanos88:
The Chinese apps can all be deleted, I haven't got any Chinese text left in my Vivo 🥰
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] PILLS2389:
I still didn't get the update. Is there anyone else who didn't received the new update(18.3)?
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Vinzie:
Me....😭
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] vendetta17:
Vpn's won't work , right ? I mean selecting asian countries.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Vinzie:
Tried that for a few countries, but didn't trigger the update
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Vinzie:
Would debloating be the cause of not getting the update?! Still nothing here...🙈
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] PILLS2389:
I finally received the update this morning.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Vinzie:
Me too... But still all my incoming phone calls show 'unknown number'..😭

Already sent an email to vivo support. Also the sim card was not found after the reboot. I had to eject and re-insert the sim tray. After that the sim-card is found.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] moi_dar:
Is everyone facing this "unknown number" issue ? That's quite irritating if that's the case. Is it because some essential app has been removed?
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Vinzie:
As far as I know I'm the only one.. and yes it is super annoying. It also happened directly after a factory reset, and I assume a factory reset will enable all factory apps with their factory settings again... Sim-card works fine in another phone.. So it should be the phone/software itself I guess
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Thanos88:
That's a very weird bug. I never had that bug to begin with. Does the same thing happen even when a saved contact rings you? Or only for unsaved numbers ?
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Vinzie:
Both... If an unsaved number calls, you should see a number, but I only see 'Unknown Number'. If I disable VOLTE (by manually selecting gsm/edge mode via *#*#4634#*#*) the incoming call DOES show a number. But then I'm using edge (which is very very slow). So if I want to use my mobile data connection, I need to switch back to 4g. Very annoying.. I read a lot of topics from xiaomi users who have the same issue. Incoming 'unknown number' calls if VOLTE is enabled, which is solved by disabling VOLTE. Unfortunately on my phone the option to disable VOLTE is missing from the simcard settings menu. So now I disable it by forcing the phone to use the edge/2g data connection...
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
Try going into the service menu, there is somewhere a long list of network types you can enable or disable
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Vinzie:
Update: I followed these instructions to disable VOLTE and VOWIFI without needing to switch to GPRS/EDGE mobile data (if anyone need to disable VOLTE/VOWIFI and has no access to the settings in de default menu)...

pixel-volte-patch/README.en.md at main · kyujin-cho/pixel-volte-patch

Pixel IMS: Rootless replacement for Tensor Pixel VoLTE patch - kyujin-cho/pixel-volte-patch

github.com
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Vinzie:
How do I get the this service menu ? I already tried so many menu's ^_^
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
I'm not sure which one it was, something similar to 5568 but just try all from hard reset . info
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Vinzie:
For now I was able to disable VOLTE and now I get phonenumbers/names on incoming calls with 4G enabled...

Hopefully this is fixed in an upcoming release (that is what Vivo support said when I mailed them about my issue also being present on 18.3)...
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
Geekbench 6 score. Will be interesting to see because it will take some time for manufacturers to add it to it's optimized benchmark lists...

I don't know about other phones except s22u which scored like 1130/3700 while apple ipad 2022 is killing it with 2400/9000.

Found multi core score for s23U, 51xx. So very similar (the X3 core usually isn't used for multi core stuff on 8gen2 as it consumes too much power).
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] LIPA83:
Does anyone know how to close all running apps at background with one swipe, I had Huawei before and when I press home button all running apps were visible, is anything similar in Vivo x90 pro plus?
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Haskren:
Under system navigation, just select the 3-button option: