[Android Head-Units] simplepinoi177:
@Aaantonn , @Martin 12

All that you say (outside of your opinions of that member or what I have deemed acceptable) of the device/company/dev/whatever/whoever may well be true -- marchnz may be completely and utterly wrong (and even confidently so) -- but my PSA was not about what is true, factual, with or without what proof is shown.

It was simply & directly about @Aaantonn's choice of words he used and the way of speaking his criticism & viewpoint.

You and all members here are free to have & voice an opinion about another member, their actions, and what they say, but just as I stated before, "criticisms about it should still have a modicum of respect and courtesy, and that nothing positive comes from posting in a demanding, argumentative, disrespectful, and/or self-righteous manner (as stated in Forum Rule 2.3)" and that "personal attacks" are unacceptable. If such a "voice" is deemed not abiding to these conditions, this is where the line is drawn and action (in this case, a PSA identifying and calling out) is taken. And just as you are allowed to have & voice an opinion, he is allowed his; all things being equal.

And both parties can have differing opinions and debate it, but it must be done respectfully with proper courtesy (which he did and has shown; "Thanks for taking your time to write your opinions in length.") -- hence the PSA not applying to him/both-parties.

Again, I re-iterate, this is not about what/who is right and/or whatever is said is correct or incorrect (no matter how confidently stated even if how many disagree with it), it is about response to what is said in accordance to Forum Rule 2.

What (one of multiple things) I saw out of "the entire post" was you saying "...stupid opinion, go sit in your wife’s ear, and don’t clog up the thread."

You may disagree with his opinion, but it is uncalled for to call it "stupid"; would it be acceptable under Forum Rule 2 if he referred to your reply as a "stupid response" just because he disagreed or didn't believe it?

It is self-righteous that you expect that you may say what you want in the thread and it not be considered "clog[ging] up the thread", but he cannot state his?

Ordering other members to "sit on your wife's ear" is a "personal attack" & disrespectful; again, how would you take it if he or anyone else ordered you to do such an act? Or was this not meant as

sarcastic

and you literally wish for him to "sit in [his] wife's ear"?

This is what I "can judge" and what I deemed that forced my response and PSA.

He did not insult "people who buy this system", he says that he doesn't buy "junk"/rubbish (devices) -- I do not condemn this to be sarcastic (he considers the device garbage/rubbish and he doesn't buy such things; he never said anything about those that do buy these devices); at the very least not as sarcastic & antagonistic as your post

You did not ask that question in such a way. You said sarcastically & antagonistically "...You don’t buy garbage, and you call this device garbage, so why did you buy it?" -- which can be perceived as self-righteous, demanding, and argumentative (breaking Forum Rule 2.3). It unsarcastically/unantagonistically could have been said instead like "Although you bought it in the end, what are the reasons you did if you don't think highly of it?" or how you just stated now.

But I will admit I misread how you said "since you consider yourself an expert?" as an antagonistic & sarcastic remark instead of how you actually intended it (as a justification/consideration for his opinion so that he can "Tell me something that is not..."). Although this is a touch self-righteous, I apologize and retract that inclusion. But the rest stands.

I would like to point out that you are free to have this opinion, so I would hope you afford every other member to have their own as well.

All I said is that with his long tenure here, that should be given some consideration and/or possibly benefit of the doubt (as a reason to not disrespect & dismiss so readily); but even if that consideration is refused to be given, at the very least given the time he has dedicated to this category, he (and no one else) doesn’t deserve to be mocked or insulted!

All things being equal, just as members are allowed their opinions and to state what they believe to be true, we leave it to members and readers to consider such stated opinions and draw their own conclusions. If enough people did not believe what you are stating, and provided their own proof, but you still believed what you say to be true and stuck with it, should your statements be considered slander then?

All things being equal, just like you’re able to state your opinion or what you believe to be true (wrongly or rightly; correct or incorrect; informed or uninformed) -- however confidently, aggressively, insistently, or with whatever bias -- and can be expected to not be forcibly removed from threads & discussions even if enough members disagree with you and do not believe you, he should be afforded the same benefit and consideration.

You all can state your belief that what any member has said is wrong (respectfully mind you) and urge not following it to others, and if what you say is the truth, there will be a consensus and support behind it; but that will have to be enough.

If this reply is not enough and in the end, if you still wish to continue discussing this, feel free to send me a PM conversation and invite whoever additional member you wish to also participate and we can continue it there – I can even invite my Team-Leaders/superiors if you so wish. Speaking further here is inappropriate (public discussion on moderator course of actions) and off-topic –

any further discussion here will be removed and deleted.

You may continue to disagree with him and point out why you believe him to be wrong, but only if it is done respectfully and in accordance to the Forum Rules (particularly Forum Rule 2).

UPDATE

MOD ANNOUNCEMENT​

@Aaantonn , You are given this reminder that as per Forum Rule 14 (quoted below), "You are allowed ONE User Account at XDA-Developers. If you create additional accounts, Moderators will disable them...". I highly suggest & urge you to re-read & reacquaint yourself with The Forum Rules as you (and we all here) are expected to follow each and every single one of them if we wish to participate on this site.

simplepinoi177

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