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[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
I still don't see much sense in the 2x sensor. I cannot believe a variable aperture would have cost more than the 2x sensor but would have made much more sense.

Yeah the S23U 3x sensor is not periscope and much worse quality than the OV64B plus good lenses. That's why I think the Xiaomi 13 Ultra will set new standards - well besides likely the new Sony smartphone (but that will be hell expensive) which likely will also come with variable aperture.

Xiaomi in general has pretty good gcam support too.

My ideal setup would be Main with variable aperture 1", 3x periscope, 8x periscope. (let's not forget Vivo is actually 2.2x/3.9x not 2x/3.5x as the software says) - and periscope with fast lenses/not tiny sensors. And then full 50MP output for gcam (like Xiaomi 10 Ultra).
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
Look i just installed BSG and tried some quick shots.

AGC is with upscaling enabled. (50MP) It looks pretty similar to BSG 12.5MP picture.

Edit: BigKaka assured me there can't be a difference and there shouldn't also be a difference. So it seems like there is a bug in his mod.

Fact: Gcam Standard 12mp pics have definitely the same quality as any upscaling enabled gimmick.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] mbfamily:
Should be the same with every GCam version, as they're using Sabre afaik. GCam devs aren't developing these features, thes are using the algorithms from Google. Here is the official explanation from Google:

See Better and Further with Super Res Zoom on the Pixel 3

Posted by Bartlomiej Wronski, Software Engineer and Peyman Milanfar, Lead Scientist, Computational Imaging (Updated August 6, 2020: The work descri...

ai.googleblog.com
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
That's a different thing. As i have edited my other post bigkaka assured me it's bullsh!t and there must be some problem with his mod.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] mbfamily:
I'm pretty sure bigkaka doesn't know what he did there. It wasn't him who developed the upscaling feature, I don't know who did but I am quite sure the original dev was using the Sabre feature, which is based on the methods I explained earlier as part of the stacking demosaicing process.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
Nah the first time it was implemented in Gcam V5 i think, i can't remember that anymore. But they dropped it then because it was fake bullsh!t and there was no benefit of using it. Shamim was the first one who implemented that again in 2021 i think. The others followed him then. But in the end these are very old codes and are completely different to super res zoom.

Edit: i was wrong the codes are even older...
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
@mbfamily i have just checked my old chats. Seems like the original code was written by Google at that time but the mods changed some stuff so users have the choice to change the upscaling factor.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
Here is what I mean with horrible sharpening on the default camera at approx 70 zoom. Vs AGC (Shanmin is much worse, bgc nearly as good but I prefer AGC and dropped Shanmin). And yeah handheld but reproducible every time
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Haskren:
Big aperture 2x is one of the best things about this phone. Perfect for low light/sport unlike a small aperture/small sensor zoom. Well done Vivo.

As for variable aperture, I see no critical use for this. Do you want it to get more depth sharpness or to let less light in?
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
Give it 1.6-8 on the main sensor and it would be perfect. I guess faster is difficult. Though of course 1.5-8 would be even better. Magic 5 pro is really fast on main sensor and thereby eliminating the sensor size difference.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] luontokoodaus:
Do you have a link to the apk and config file? I've always found GCam great only on phones that don't already have amazing configs and default camera apps which the Vivo absolutely does have. Would be interested in taking some GCam samples for you from my phone though.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] mbfamily:
Yes you can change the upscaling factor because it's basically the same algorithm that is used for the zoom by all of these phones (plus some AI stuff like fake text and fake moons etc. but that's a different topic).

However, it only works well with 2x upscaling because it depends on the sub pixel alignment so only 2x actually takes full advantage of the quad bayer pattern.

It's not bull****, it's just maths.

Basically every 50MP image from a quad-bayer sensor is fake, because the bayer pattern is only 12.5MP. If you want to get 50Mp images from that you either apply some adjusted demosaicing algorithm (which is what the stock camera high resolution mode does) or you upscale the RAW data during the stacking/denoising/demosaicing process (which is what Google does). In both cases you get true resolution that is more than 12.5MP (but still less than 50MP). A full resolution image from a quad bayer sensor is more like ~ 25MP compared to a "real" camera, depending on the quality of the demosaicing algorithm. And Google's 2x upscaling is just an alternative to the regular demosaicing algorithm used in the stock camera, that's why it can in fact increase the true resolution and even beat the stock camera. Clever maths.

But it's not fake and it's not bull****. It's also not true 50MP but it definitely increases the amount of detail, and very often it does so even better than the high resolution demosaicing algorithm of the stock camera.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] mbfamily:
Look for AGC 8.4 v9 apk it should be easy to find a download link. I don't have a useful config because I had to clear data as it kept crashing and I didn't save my config before that.

extremecarver actually created some color configs that might help, but the problem is to get the best results you would need two configs, one for daylight and one for indoors/night.

So it's not very useful unfortunately.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] luontokoodaus:
If there isn't some circulating already, I couldn't be bothered playing with configs. I might wait a few months and check back. Usually GCam isn't a whole lot better than any standard Camera app, unless the phone allows full API usage (which I know Vivo does). Usually the best you can do with GCam is slight increase to sharpness and maybe add a little bit of grain. In most cases it's nothing better that can be shown unless you want to crop at 500% zoom or something.

I can see the upscaling photos you provided look good but I couldn't be bothered playing around with the app. Wasted enough time doing that a few years ago and didn't get much of a better improvement with an older phone that had full API access.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
Believe what you want but it's not true. You even mix some new full res zoom things with old upscaling codes from 2017.

I have told you, even the gcam mod dev of AGC told that it won't affect the quality at all and you wanna say you have more experience than him and you want to say he isn't right even when he added these codes and build that mod himself!? That's hilarious.

Why you just don't accept the fact it's a bug with AGC which isn't the only one. You can't reproduce that "quality gain" with any other mod. Explains what? Something is wrong with AGC when "upscaling" is disabled. BigKaka couldn't answer me what's wrong but he also doesn't care since he is working on his new based builds.

But nevermind I'm gonna stop this discussion now. Be happy with what you have and believe whatever you want. I won't reply to this anymore.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] mbfamily:
Because it's not a bug with AGC. 12MP AGC images are just as detailed as 12MP stock camera pictures. There is no difference. It's not a bug. And big kaka doesn't know what the code he's using actually does.

Look at the page from Google I linked, it explains everything.

See Better and Further with Super Res Zoom on the Pixel 3

Posted by Bartlomiej Wronski, Software Engineer and Peyman Milanfar, Lead Scientist, Computational Imaging (Updated August 6, 2020: The work descri...

ai.googleblog.com

I don't need to believe anything because I am a dev myself and I know what the GCam devs did and I have eyes which can clearly see the detail that does not exist in the 12MP images.

And no one else needs to believe me, because you can simply install GCam and use your own eyes to get the proof ;)
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Dayuser:
Super res zoom is merging method that Google used and now it is called sabre.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
BTW - I tried the gcam not freeheld but on a tripod - and it fared much worse in zoom - pretty identical to stock camera. So the main advantage HDR+ is clear - google camera (sabre I suppose) really works and stock camera has no equivalent. And it's pretty stunning to me that google's claim about this mechanism at 60x zoom actually performs with the biggest visual difference.

At 0.6-5x the differences in sharpness are minor - however I find the huge difference is that the gcam pictures look sharp on both my phone screen and one desktop - while the stock camera kinda only manages either or. The sharpening in general of gcam is clearly superior to stock camera. Details are sometimes a bit better - with my config I feel I get much more realistic pictures not that fake HDR with the vivo camera produces at night. What I hate about stock is that it lightens up the contrast everywhere - while gcam mainly does it in the center of the image which gives more interesting pictures. But then there is color of course and gcam is sometimes okay, sometimes not at all - more often than the stock camera failing in color. And yeah it's always about wrong white balance. E.g. sunsets are very problematic (have to edit every pic afterwards).
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] mbfamily:
Stock camera has an alternative to Sabre but it's not as mathematically sophisticated and more AI based ;)

Every phone these days uses some combination of AI and multi-frame stacking to achieve super-resolution zoom (and noise reduction). Personally, I think AI upscaling is BS, because it doesn't produce any real detail. Multi-frame super-resolution / joint demosaicing like Sabre produces real detail. With all manufacturers now using quad-bayer sensors, they should really focus on improving the demosaicing process, that's the best way to get as much real resolution as possible (not fake AI hallucinated details).
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Lexxmark:
Hey, guys. Coming back to my pictures, which were a little bit oversharpened. I've made another ones. Take a look. You wanna say that you see any noice or oversharpening?)) (sharpness is set by default). And, by the way, upscaling was enabled. And this has a positive effect on detail. Not drastically, but still.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
Looks like x90 pro plus stock.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] M5Pro60:
1" sensor don't need nightmode. can do without. Look my picture
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
Where do you got that config? I know Kev and I'm pretty sure he hasn't published any XML for the vivo.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Lexxmark:
are there the owners of Vivo X90PP from Montreal here?! Let's make a battle😉
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] M5Pro60:
I take from pixel 7 pro. but i like very much. Good natural look.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
Ah I see. Yep I definitely prefer this style than any other oversharpened and overprocessed pics. Works perfectly on portraits too.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Lexxmark:
The image is a little blurry😀
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
No wonder. He took an XML which was made for the pixel 7 pro. With a few changes it could be great. Even when it's blurry you can almost read every text. Can't say that about your pics.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Haskren:
St. Pauls Cathedral tonight. Lawn was pitch black.

Main cam, night mode, handheld

My ride, main cam (edit)
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] sniperwolf101:
They look the dogs back wheels mate.

Excellent stuff. Gonna have to order mine soon
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Lexxmark:
Guys, does gcam improve picture quality in X90PP? If yes, could you please share some photos taken with gcam?
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Dayuser:
Check this thread.

https://xdaforums.com/t/gcam-for-x90-pro.4546001/
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Haskren:
got soaked taking this - phone passed the waterproof test!

2x zoom
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] kyero985:
1x, stock cam, handheld, night mode at about 9pm in the evening
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Lexxmark:
Noise and ripples in dark areas! Is that all the vaunted x90pp stock camera can do?!😂
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
Are you kidding? In this scenario it's impossible to have no noise.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
and thats the reason people don't share anything.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Haskren:
Show me a phone that does it better with the zoom lens in less than ideal light. Oh yeah, that's right - it doesn't exist
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Haskren:
Guess you haven't spent time in this forum. Plenty of pictures in the dedicated picture thread.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Lexxmark:
I understand. But x90pp claims to be one of the best phones this year or even the best. Apparently, this is not the case!

Btw, Oppo X6 pro has much better detail with the same main sensor😉
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Dayuser:
Oppo maybe has updated camera software..
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
I wouldn't say that. It depends on different things and I think they both have their strengths. I'm using GCam and my pics have more details too compared to stock camera. X6 Pro is nice but has some other problems the vivo doesn't have.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Lexxmark:
That fact that you're using gcam shows that stock camera is far from perfect. Can you show your gcam pics?)
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
No it's not but I'm just a GCam user since 2017 and play with it with each phone i have. It always depends on your taste.

When I look at your pics I would say it doesn't make sense to use GCam on the vivo x90 pro plus. The overall pic looks pretty close to stock processing. Sharpeness, contrast or noise reduction looks the same like stock camera. You may get some more details but you'll have to use two configs because of the colors. Most people i know from old Gcam days stopped using it on the x90 pro plus because they say it's not worth it when you don't pixel peep.

I like more natural look like @M5Pro60 has posted. You call that "blurry" and i say it's beautiful because it doesn't look overprocessed. His config still needs some adjustments but i definitely prefer that style.

I take pictures of my family only and I'm sry but i won't share them. I hope you'll understand that. When I'll get the time I may go out and do some shots for you but i can't promise that.

Check this folder. The pics taken by martin are all captured with gcam i think. There are some good ones you may like.

Vivo X90 Pro Plus [PHOTOGRAPHY]

645 new items added to shared album

photos.app.goo.gl

Edit: i have attached some screenshots. That's with 494% Zoom. Colors are more accurate on GCam. Stock was a bit oversaturated.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
The HDR processing is way different on the gcam vs stock - it looks much more natural. Therfore contrast is also way better on gcam for me. But even with two configs - the color problem is horrible on gcam on X90 Pro Plus (that's why for me a S23U with gcam takes better shots than a X90 PP stock camera - with gcam just getting the colors wrong far too often. I do not know how I could get a perfectly working color setup for XXXX Kelvin - and for each camera as every camera is very different on colours.

I much prefer gcam - and if the colours would be more or less identical to stock - I would really like the X90PP for photos -because I just don't like the way stok processes pictures in difficult situations.

Plus I think 2 configs doesn't cut it. Need at least 3-5 or 3000K, 5000K, 7000K. Plus you would need to think about each time what Kelvin most matches the current environment.

Then Vivo at least once changed the colour on camera2api (used for gcam) by a large amount - so investing time into a working colour setup could be wasted very quickly. It's a shame what Vivo does to colour on camera2api.

Because other phones have more or less identical colours in stock vs gcam (e.g. most Qualcomm Samsung or Xiaomi phones)
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] hirsti:
Straight out of camera unedited, shot on stock app, Photo mode, auto hdr and Leica color mode
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Haskren:
and btw - the "noise and ripples" you see in the water is actually raindrops as it was pouring down.

No - there is no significan noise in this image considering it's zoom and low light.

Picture with the main cam are even cleaner. I don't give a toss about whether you approve of the Vivo or not. Those of us who use it know it is a level above most flagship phones
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] kyero985:
zooming in on v20.1 firmware, stock cam, handheld, zeiss mode off, auto HDR, no editing + good weather in the UK

1x

3.5x

10x

30x

60x
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Haskren:
Took a snap in my partner's garden with all the lights off. Pretty much pitch black. This is how it looked:

Now for all you haters who seem to have nothing better to do than thrashing the Vivo; show me a phone that can do this better with more detail and less noise - handheld by the way. Neither her son's S22 or her iphone 13 were able to focus.

100% crop
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] kyero985:
Inspired by the above!

Unedited handheld auto night mode for 3-4 seconds at 1am in my back garden with only my neighbour's top floor room's rear window shining a tiny bit of light from the distance - it was pitch black and you could not see anything

My eyes couldn't even see those plastic chairs let alone what he's got on the grass

1x

1x
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Haskren:
Quick edit:

What I really enjoy about the Vivo is the highlight retention in night shots. With my Sony A9 I would always have to do a separate exposure for the headlights and blend in photoshop. This phones nails the car in one shot
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
And if you guys prefer a more night moody you can use -20 exposure with stock cam settings.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] mbfamily:
That's one of the things only the X90Pro+ can do, no other phone I have tried so far could do that, even the other 1-inch sensor phones can't because it's mainly about the ISP.

And it's why I'm selling the Sony a6400. Yes you can do things with the Sony that the phone can't do, but so many things that require are a huge amount of work with the dedicated camera the phone just does automatically.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] kyero985:
I went to Portugal and my Vivo didn't let me down once.

It's easily my most loved phone to date and all my friends and family have nothing but compliments about the photos taken - some even thought I took these on a DSLR.

Yes, it'll be a bit saturated for some people but if it's being uploaded on social media on top of getting automatically compressed anyway, it's not like you're going to be able to pixel peep or blow up it at full size on a 8k screen in your pocket.

Enjoy!

v20.1 firmware, stock cam, handheld, zeiss mode off, auto HDR

1x at daytime

Spoiler content hidden.

1x night mode nearing midnight, handheld

Spoiler content hidden.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] lemonade747:
Awesome photos, especially night ones.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] kyero985:
Thank you. I felt the night mode photos were a bit too bright for my liking but I'm fine with that since that's just how it likes to process and shoot low lit scenes.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] lemonade747:
The X6 Pro night mode is a bit darker and more natural. vivo and oppo are in the same company, so maybe they will update if they think it's important.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] mbfamily:
It looks like they don't cooperate at all in ISP development, so they will probably always be different.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] kyero985:
It's my first time using a Vivo and just wanted to say I'm also particularly impressed by its Zeiss T* coating.

I understand this isn't new technology and has been a feature on their flagships for years now, but it's definitely noticeable if there's lots of bright sources of natural and artificial lights (whether at daytime or night time) and I do appreciate and notice the benefits it brings in reducing the amount of flare/stray lights.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
no need for that, Stock Camera > Settings > Enable Effects Master

swipe down until -20 and done. In settings can also also make that to be saved and launches everytime with -20 exposure.

If you swipe left and right it will adjust saturation also.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
Btw... Seems like Xiaomi is going a similar way with more natural look and less digital processing.

微博-出错了
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Lexxmark:
I don't care😂. But thanks for the info. I personally like clearer photos😉
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Ahmednaif95:
What do you use for clean the lenses of the back cameras do u use piece of cloth?... There is no lens flare in your photos i have x90 pp but there's a little flare even though I clean the lenses so well
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Haskren:
Few wide angle snaps from Canterbury Cathedral
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] luontokoodaus:
Probably they also use some editing to get it out. I can edit even the tiny bit out that I get. Otherwise it's just RNG with the lens and the T* coating.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] kyero985:
I didn't clean my lens, but I noticed there was some minor 'flaring' in my viewfinder with bright natural/artificial light in certain angles (which is to be expected) and when I tilted my shot slightly to try and avoid it, the photos came out perfectly.

I probably shouldn't have to do that as tahat defeats the purpose of AI and all this automatic post-processing, but I did it to be on the safe side.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] franagan75:
Very nice zoom
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Haskren:
I took a picture before the 20.5 update and after.

10x zoom at 200%

There is more detail on the after picture, but I don't know if that is just down to how the camera exposed or whether they changed anything to yield more resolution from the sensor

before

After
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] bmw320cd:
2x and 3.5x (on 3.5x over 6000 iso)

Very difficult night scene, with numerous bright spots
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] luontokoodaus:
My wife and I went to Australia. I took 870+ photos. Here's a small batch of them. Unfortunately these are taken on a much older version because my phone hasn't got any updates since November security patch. So likely a lot of these shots would have been a little bit better. Still, I'm very happy to have had this phone with me and it more than handled all the scenarios I got into.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] franagan75:
Good news

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1655591247283736580
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
Well finally - hope it's more like the mode on Oppo Find X6 pro with actual shadows, and not comic colors like vivid. Except at night been using gcam only cause stock camera colors were horrible for my taste in either mode.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] jericho246:
Ah man, after like 30 minutes of browsing the Chinese Vivo website I finally got to the beta registration, only to find out that you need a WeChat account. Lmao. Hopefully the Demo X thingy comes to the Trial channel soon.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Vinzie:
Vivo reached out to UniverseIce... So I guess he did not register for a beta...
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] SusenoBP:
Here are some of my pictures
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Lexxmark:
The image is blurred.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Dayuser:
Looks like front of train is out of focus and focus is somewhere else of that picture.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] maxel77:
Some pics from Rome mainly zoom shots
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] ihor01:
Hi all

These are from my x90 Pro (not plus)
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Lexxmark:
So poor detail😕
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] hirsti:
Night mode (long)

Pretty accurate to how it looked.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] kalios:
shot using texture mode
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] virtualknowledge:
Well, I've been seeing this thread as well. As I freshly joined here are the works I've done with this phone.

The night shot was done in pro mode Ultra Raw and with the longest exposure. Took minutes but the result made me proud. The main file were too big to attach so here goes ss.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Bl3s:
Used 2x lens in indoor lightning to capture carved pumpkin I made for competition at work 😅