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[General Questions and Answers] TheMystic:
As of end of 2022, only Samsung phones come with their own Dialer (with automatic silent call recording feature).

Most other popular brands like OnePlus, Xiaomi, and others are now using Google Dialer on their phones (in Global markets except China). This is to the point that one can't even install the OEM dialer without dangerous workarounds that will have other implications.

Can anyone share precise reasons (no speculation) on why this is so?

Even though I read about how nations are penalizing Google for anti-competitive practices, the situation on the ground continues to get worse: more and more Google apps out of the box.
[General Questions and Answers] V0latyle:
OEMs would rather use the Google suite than develop their own software. The only outlier is Samsung, who for whatever reason, still thinks they're a software company.

Why dedicate additional resources to unnecessary development when there is a fully developed and polished common Gapps suite available?
[General Questions and Answers] TheMystic:
The dialer is the most basic application and all OEMs (except Nothing and may be Motorola too) were/ are having their own Dialer. In China and some other markets, the phones come with OEM dialer even today.

They don't have to dedicate additional resources to compete with Google Dialer (which has smart features), but why aren't they letting the user make that decision?

The global software actually blocks their own Dialer from working if it is sideloaded. This appears to be just another instance of Google's monopolistic dominance, despite all the regulations and penalties prohibiting such behaviour.
[General Questions and Answers] V0latyle:
I think that would be more to blame on the firmware OEM than Google, but I suppose it's a matter of perspective.
[General Questions and Answers] GOOGLE_USER:
Ha, ha! :rolleyes: Samsung - I really used to like 'em. Now? I spread my indifference as thick as your sarcastic observation here.
[General Questions and Answers] blackhawk:
I like the Sammy dialer, never crashes but it has its quirks.

Samsung... has done nothing but disappoint and drop balls since the N10+, the zenith point for Sammy. Even today after 3+ years it remains my weapon of choice. Unfortunately Samsung has given me zer0 incentive to buy a newer Samsung flagship model. They suck now. So bad that a year ago I bought another new N10+ running on Q, no regrets especially now.

After Android 10 Google made a big smelly mess of the Android OS, it reeks of iPhone now. Pie remainder my favorite OS and my original N10+ will never be upgraded.

Gookill...

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[General Questions and Answers] TheMystic:
So should monopoly be encouraged?

And Bixby is very good these days, even though it hasn't been able to get rid of the bad reputation it gained for itself initially.

On my OnePlus 8T, when it was on Android 11, there is a OnePlus Dialer apk (either a mod or one extracted from the Chinese ROM) that worked perfectly fine.

But after upgrading to Android 12 and now 13, it doesn't work. It's been over a year since Android 12 was launched, and yet there is no compatible apk. The workarounds involve rooting the device or installing a ROM from another region such as China/ Indonesia, etc, all of which shouldn't be necessary.

It appears Google is paying these brands a lot of money, in violation (in principle) of the regulations prohibiting anti-competitive practices.

I don't know why you keep saying this about OneUI. I have OneUI on my S22U and it is excellent (ofcourse there are some deficiencies and areas requiring improvement).

I'm going to stick with Samsung as my primary phone for primarily two reasons:

1. Excellent cameras (zoom feature is unmatched 🤩🤩).

2. Silent Automatic call recording feature.

There are other good reasons too, but these are my primary considerations now.
[General Questions and Answers] Droidriven:
Since Samsung started with their Tizen crap, they have been trying to copy Apple's tactic of trying to separate themselves from everyone else with a white knuckle grip on their hardware and software. Apple crap only works with Apple crap and Samsung crap only works with Samsung crap.
[General Questions and Answers] TheMystic:
Trying to be self reliant, even if it means copying a competitor, is a good thing. And having more options to choose from is essential to limit/ prevent monopoly. This not only helps with innovation, but also translates into lower prices for consumers.

It is unfortunate that Tizen failed. But i wish they could revive it and come up with an alternative to iOS and Android.

Talking of crap, Apple is still unbeatable in some areas, no matter how much crap a section of consumers talk about it.
[General Questions and Answers] blackhawk:
Bixby and Google Assistant are always disabled by me. Read Bixby's EULA, eek, not to mention battery usage.

I like One UI a lot but the new Samsung flagships hardware sucks elephant balls bad. Power hogs that lack good balance and form factor. The S22U has excellent an layout and frame, but it comes to a grinding halt there. No SD card.

Worse this 3 yo N10+ is only slightly slower in day to day usage and sometimes faster in spite of the S22U's higher benchmark scores and faster, more efficient ram. 12+ hour run times on an optimized N10+ with a smaller battery and way better form factor.

Even the latest incarnation of the discontinued Buds+ has lousy battery life. meh.

Like Google Samsung is now more hype and smoke than rubber biting into the asphalt. 3 years of expensive disappointments. The worst losing streak in Samsung history. That's not counting the Fold series of travesties. That's what I think... be glad you're not the next Samsung rep I speak with🤣 feel the wuv.
[General Questions and Answers] V0latyle:
I like to think I'm rather outspoken about the problems of monopolies in Big Tech, when the majority of the Internet is controlled by a few large companies who all work together on censorship and suppression of information. I was simply pointing out the "why" from a purely business perspective - these OEMs are using Google's apps so they no longer have to maintain their own - and was not implying that I agree with it.

I personally would much rather use Google software over Samsung, but that's just me.

I agree with you, but my evidently vague point was that OEMs are usually acting in what they think are their own business interests, not so much their consumers' interests.

I'm not so sure. While AOSP is maintained by Google, they've done a good job (in my opinion) of keeping Google services separate from the core OS components. As far as I know (haven't tested this myself so this is largely conjecture) there is nothing within AOSP itself that prevents you from using third party software for device functions, so anything that does has been implemented in OEM firmware by the OEM themselves. This is why many people prefer to run AOSP if it all possible.
[General Questions and Answers] TheMystic:
Battery life and absence of SD card are the only two things here.

Are you also not able to debloat the newer devices like you have done the N10+?

You won't find sd card on any flagship device today. So blaming Samsung alone is pointless.

As with battery life, it is quite average though. But the quality of cameras are enough for me to choose Samsung over every other brand.
[General Questions and Answers] TheMystic:
You're missing this point: they still maintain these apps for some of the markets like China. There is no additional maintenance required in making that available for other markets.

What is difficult to understand is that their own dialer apk extracted from supported ROMs doesn't work in their global ROMs. There are so many dialer apps on Google Play Store that work fine. But not OEM's own dialer.

That tells me they are being paid by Google to create a restriction like that. Makes business and commercial sense because they are getting free money.

Same here, although I don't use any digital assistants. But that's because Google's products are available on other platforms too like iOS, and it won't be incorrect to say that they are still better too.
[General Questions and Answers] TheMystic:
Just found these two links:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1344617037964800000

https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/knozmc

Not much detail is available though on either of them.
[General Questions and Answers] V0latyle:
Interesting, I'd definitely like to see more information on this.

I did find this although it doesn't seem to be addressing the same concept:

Perhaps it means Tier 1 manufacturers, meaning direct suppliers of the final product - Samsung, LG, Foxconn, Motorola, Huawei, Xiaomi, etc

vs Tier 2, subcontractors or suppliers for tier 1, so this would be who manufactures the subassemblies such as completed PCBs, screens, batteries, etc

Tier 3 are the suppliers/subcontractors for tier 2, meaning who provides bare PCBs, electronic components, display panels, touch digitizers, display glass, etc

But this doesn't really suss out because Google doesn't force the use of Google services on Samsung phones, or even Pixels for that matter.
[General Questions and Answers] ze7zez:
There are no monopolistic practices on the dialer. You can download a simple dialer from the store and install it, then set it as the default dialer.
[General Questions and Answers] blackhawk:
Huge things that effect the core usability greatly.

Since scoped storage was fully implemented Android is a mess. I'm running 9 and 10.

I waited 3 years and can wait 3 more. I don't care.

No trophies for losers Sammy. I'm not particularly the forgiving kind and Samsung's credibility is now that of pond scum. No better than the worst slimy used car salesman that tried to con me with lies, falsehoods and sure to be broken promises.

The cams aren't that great; the sensors are too small with not enough corrective elements in lens for one thing. A pro cam/lense will rip them to shreds. I take pictures with it but it's awkward and not nearly as useful as a pro cam for many reasons including you look like another a hole Tiktok wannabe influencer shooting with a smartphone.

Far more important is color/gamma accurate display, and having a dual drive with a 1tb data drive. Color/gamma accuracy as well as display reliability suffer on all the Samsung variable refresh rate displays. The N10+ still has the best display to bezel ratio, is lighter, slimer, best SOT, highest storage capacity and more than likely the best color/gamma accuracy/calibration.

Lol, the dialer is the least of Samsung's issues. Samsung has much bigger elephants in the room now.

3 years... is that all you got Samsung?

Give me your best shot or I will TKO you.
[General Questions and Answers] TheMystic:
I think there are two aspects to this:

1. GDPR

2. All these OEMs except Samsung are Chinese companies.

Given the timing, it appears there is a link between these.
[General Questions and Answers] TheMystic:
There are many dialers that work. Only the OEM dialer doesn't work.
[General Questions and Answers] blackhawk:
That's pretty fking funny.

What good is a phone that can't be dialed?🤣🤣🤣
[General Questions and Answers] TheMystic:
This really isn't a Samsung thing. Don't know why you blame them for this.

That said, I'm all in favour of more restrictive storage rules though. I have discussed it here.

You're the first person to say this. You should compare apples with apples only. Samsung camera system (all things included) are the best in their respective price categories.

Which phone according to you has the best camera system (photos, videos, zoom, night shots, selfies, etc.) then?

I'm all for having Expandable storage. It would be nice to see if they provide it for storing user files alone (not for saving app data or installing apps).

Samsung is still considered to have the best displays in the market. If not, which brand then?

Given that Samsung is the only OEM today that offers its own dialer with automatic silent call recording, I'll stick with Samsung until this too changes.
[General Questions and Answers] blackhawk:
If you manage your phone properly none of that junk is needed and makes operating needlessly complex. Either way you are what you load. No saving dumb bunnies, just the illusion you can.

Once Samsung exceeded 20mp cams they were more hype than performance. 12 mp for that very small surface area in likely optimum. So instead of making better individual pixel lens and sensors with greater photon capture they took a less productive path. Naive users bought the more megapixels is better hype marketing. A 22 mp pro cam with a full size sensor decimates them. You want the best cam? Stop goofing around thinking a smartphone can ever do what a pro cam system can.

All variable refresh rate displays suffer from worse color calibration/accuracy which as a consequence skews the gamma accuracy to hell.

To many variables to calibrate as accurately as a fixed rate display them throughout their different refresh rates plus brightness levels. The N10+ likely exceeds the S22U's color/gamma accuracy. Samsung bets most can't see it... but being in the top 1-3% of those with acute color perception I likely can. True colors are more important to me than buttery scrolling smoothness.

Silent call recording is so lame and potentially illegal. Like I have the patience to manage hundreds, thousands of pointless recordings. It's also creepy, predatory $hit. You wear a wire in public too?🤣 Learn to think on your feet instead.
[General Questions and Answers] akeyboardmice:
Vivo has its own dialer preinstalled in their rom even in newer devices running android 13, its just needs to be enabled from settings and works as expected...if vivo can do it with their funtouch os for iqoo and vivo devices, then oppo must also do for color os and even oneplus can be benefited, also oneplus should have stick to oxygen os...but I guess too many people are throwing money blindly at smartphone retailers without ""Asking""" anything...so ""They"" no longer feel the need to dilver more..??
[General Questions and Answers] Fooking Rekt:
Definitely, I'm still using my S7 and recently bought an S10 as well. Seems like the S10 era was the absolute peak of Samsung.

Yeah definitely, but thankfully there are Magisk modules such as the no storage restrict module to get around the dumb folder restrictions.
[General Questions and Answers] TheMystic:
Install ODialer. This is official app for OnePlus/ Oppo/ Realme phones.
[General Questions and Answers] blackhawk:
Samsung has used an open source dialer forever. Apache based, works well and is fairly bullet proof. It has a few quirks by is usable.

Allows for easy contact back up to file.
[General Questions and Answers] akeyboardmice:
@TheMystic ..Vivo user does not require need for Odialer..because...internal dialer of vivo phones does the job..also how does google play store manage to restrict usage of Odialer on oppo/realme/oneplus phones...even MIUI users or moto users must be able to use it if its on play store...??
[General Questions and Answers] TheMystic:
Ideally, they should have included it just like Vivo (since there is a very big demand for the stock dialer), but for reasons known only to them, they have released a Play Store version that works just fine (although UI-wise it leaves a lot to be desired).

ODialer will work only on OnePlus/ Oppo/ Realme phones because it relies on certain dependencies/ framework that is not available on the Android implementation of other brands like Samsung, Xiaomi, etc. This is especially true for the call-recording feature that is no longer available for 3rd party apps (non-system apps) on Google Play Store. But call-recording works perfectly fine with this app, despite not being a system app.
[Amazfit] liuxuandehao:
My phone shows the Bluetooth both connected for watch and calls but on watch it shows disconnected. It happens irregularly, I can solve the problem by restarting my phone but I don't want to do that all the time. I am seeking other solutions that can resolve it once for all. Thank you!
[Amazfit] andreluigo:
Did u find a solution?
[Xiaomi Mi 11 Ultra] afrin101:
I seem to have lost my WiFi after updating to 13.05 for my 11 ultra India version and device is out of warranty
[Xiaomi Mi 11 Ultra] Bobfish:
Do a factory reset / format .

If you purchased from your local official Xiaomi store/dealer , you still have warranty.

Xiaomi has extended warranty to 24 months for the global Mi 11 series.

Check with Xiaomi website or your local dealer.
[Xiaomi Mi 11 Ultra] ganapathyrman_s:
Hi, if any one has a dead Mi 11 Ultra, i am willing to buy as i need a replacement for the broken display of my Mi 11 Ultra. I am from Chennai, India.
[Xiaomi Mi 11 Ultra] hamzahashim011:
Hey I am considering to but mi 11 utra from one of my friend but I am afraid for this wifi problem

What would you say should I go for this I am getting this for around 400 $
[Xiaomi Mi 11 Ultra] iBURGER:
Hey can you provide me with the source/link of this extended warranty because I found it's only applicable in china
[Xiaomi Mi 11 Ultra] Bobfish:
In many Asia and EU countries , it's 2 years premium warranty for flagship Mi11 series. India might have different warranty terms. Just go mi.com and choose region/country.

Mi 11 warranty for my country:

Mi Malaysia

www.mi.com

And this for UK/EU:

404 - Xiaomi UK

Xiaomi UK, Xiaomi Official Online Store offers quality products at honest price. Get Xiaomi phones and accessories including Mi MIX 3 5G, Mi 9 Lite, Redmi Note 8 Pro, Redmi Note 8T, Mi Smart Band 4 on mi.com/uk

www.mi.com
[Xiaomi Mi 11 Ultra] afrin101:
Hey update after a long time

Whilst using it I swapped the sims and then restarted and the wifi started working magically

Now afraid whether it would stop working if I ever turn it off lol
[Xiaomi Mi 11 Ultra] aakashasaj:
works for me but wifi not very stable, stops working anytime
[Xiaomi Mi 11 Ultra] Bobfish:
Xiaomi India extends warranty to two years on some of its older models

The warranty seems to just cover selfie camera and motherboard issues, though. Don’t get overly excited about this since it is a very specific extension,...

www.gsmarena.com
[Xiaomi Mi 11 Ultra] krepsz:
Magisk?
[Xiaomi Mi 11 Ultra] hassanaliyeh:
Hi all,

The lost wifi issue is a thing due to over heating due to very long camera usage, or playing games on max performance and graphics (just like in my case).

The scenario is that, I had refresh rate drops suddenly in random times when I open the device, so I had to lock and unlock it again multiple times to fix it, and when I was playing MLBB for a few hours non stop at max, and it was really hot, that was during android 13 which heating issue was fixed during 14.

Then, suddenly my phone frozen and turned off, and when it turned on wifi was gone. Multiple restarts and it was back on, for a few hours then gone again. Then it was randomly back on and for about 6 months it was off for good.

After a very long search, I found that re-balling is the solution, which is removing the CPU, cleaning connections, then using a CPU plate and new connections to put the CPU back on the board. This was what I did 2 days ago and my device is as fast as new, as great as new, and also wifi is back on, and I really don't know why but seems that battery is better?!

My wifi is back on and it's all good, re-balling is the solution. You'll have to search really hard for someone who knows how to do it.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario ROM Development] drdoomgod:
so, i read its being ported to the blackcomb, is it possible it will run on the wizard too?
[Thinkpad Tablet General] acocalypso:
Hi all,

I replaced the battery of my Lenovo FHD 10 tb-x606f and after the android logo the device shut itself off.

If I use the original battery (which is almost dead) the android system is booting fine.

Did someone tried that already and maybe have a solution for that?
[Thinkpad Tablet General] blackhawk:
Bad new battery... it takes a significant amount of power to boot up.
[Thinkpad Tablet General] acocalypso:
Alright I'll contact the seller. Thanks.
[Thinkpad Tablet General] blackhawk:
Even nearing the end of their new storage life Li's don't lose that much capacity.

An Li failure is something you never want have happen as it can destroy the device. Degraded Li's are more likely to fail. Replace when at 80% of their original capacity... except for that one🤣
[Samsung Galaxy Tab A7 Lite] punteruk:
hi

just got a SM-T225 via o2 in UK

It came with android 11 & one ui 3.1 and I've successfully unlocked the bootloader

what's the best way to get an android 13 build installed? I want a 'vanilla experience' if I can, I don't want Samsung apps but I can uninstall then with adb if necessary

I tried to update to android 13 but now it says FAILED, 'your tablet's operating system has been modified in an unauthorised way'

looks like I can get version T225XXU1CVL5 from samfw so is there a quick/dirty way to install that?

thanks!
[Samsung Galaxy Tab A7 Lite] V0latyle:
If you want a truly vanilla AOSP experience, you can follow my guide here to install an AOSP GSI.

Otherwise, if you're simply seeking to install stock Samsung A13 firmware, use Odin.
[Samsung Galaxy Tab A7 Lite] punteruk:
ok thanks for the reply

I'm on linux and I see there is a command line version available

Example :

$odin4 -b BL_XXXX.tar.md5 -a AP_XXXX.tar.md5 -c CP_XXXX.tar.md5 -s CSC_XXXX.tar.md5

BUT in the firmware download there is also a HOME_CSC_xxxxx file, do I need to do anything with that one?

cheers
[Samsung Galaxy Tab A7 Lite] V0latyle:
If you're doing a clean flash and want to wipe data, use the CSC_xxxxx file. The HOME_CSC_xxxxx is when you're already on Samsung firmware and want to upgrade, as it does not wipe user data. As long as you never installed a custom ROM and are simply trying to upgrade the stock firmware, you can use HOME_CSC. It is still advisable to do a clean flash, however, just to prevent any issues with residual leftovers from older firmware.
[Samsung Galaxy Tab A7 Lite] punteruk:
quick follow up, odin4 on linux worked a treat

I was on T225XXU1AVE1 & updated like this following download from sam.fw

./odin4 -b BL_T225XXU1CVL5_T225XXU1CVL5_MQB60236739_REV00_user_low_ship_MULTI_CERT.tar.md5 -a AP_T225XXU1CVL5_T225XXU1CVL5_MQB60236739_REV00_user_low_ship_MULTI_CERT_meta_RKEY_OS13.tar.md5 -c CP_T225XXU1CVL5_CP23421020_MQB60236739_REV00_user_low_ship_MULTI_CERT.tar.md5 -s CSC_OXM_T225OXM1CVL5_MQB60236739_REV00_user_low_ship_MULTI_CERT.tar.md5

looking to debloat the samsung carp now

thanks again @V0latyle
[Samsung Galaxy Tab A7 Lite] _raydroid:
Hi V0latyle,

I'm in the same situation as punteruk. I just unlocked the A7 Lite (T220) that came with Android 11 and now want to flash Android 13.

I downloaded Android 13 for my region from samfw.com. Specifically, this one: https://samfw.com/firmware/SM-T220/XAC/T220XXU1CVL7. The ZIP file only has AP, BL, CSC and HOME_CSC. Is it okay to flash?
[Samsung Galaxy Tab A7 Lite] nirogu325:
Yes. Follow his suggestions regarding CSC in previous posts.
[Samsung Galaxy Tab A7 Lite] Difficul:
One ui or aosp ?
[Samsung Galaxy Tab A7 Lite] _raydroid:
How is stock One UI with Android 13? I would probably prefer an AOSP/LOS build, but I've never used a GSI build before. Any limitations with using a GSI build?
[Samsung Galaxy Tab A7 Lite] Difficul:
You should experience it yourself
[Google Pixel 7 Pro] NIKOST:
Hello, Pixel 7 Pro user here with unlocked bootloader and rooted on December Update.

Is it safe to wipe my device and Re-lock bootloader with a patched init_boot.img via Android Flash Tool? Or should I perform any actions before wiping my device? I am trying to unroot so i can send my device to google as it has a defective screen.

Thank you for any inputs
[Google Pixel 7 Pro] V0latyle:
Yes. Android Flash Tool will overwrite everything, including init_boot. Just to be safe, check the Force flash all partitions box as well as Wipe device and Lock bootloader.