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[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] mbfamily:
I've been comparing the X90 Pro+ to the iPhone 14 Pro for a few weeks now, and I can say the Vivo definitely has the better cameras in almost any situation.

The main sensor has better dynamic range and better low light performance.

The ultra wide has more detail.

The 2x zoom has waaaay more detail, way better low light performance (of course, it's a dedicated sensor...)

The zoom from 3.5x is just a different league in every way - more detail, less noise, the iPhone is not even a competition.

There is only one scenario where the iPhone wins: High-resolution (48/50MP) images from the main sensor. Because the iPhone does the same processing as in 12MP mode, whereas the Vivo can't do HDR, accurate color reproduction etc. in high resolution mode.

So if all you want is high resolution printouts from the wide angle lens, the iPhone is your choice. For everything else, the Vivo is a different league.

I'm still keeping the iPhone because of the software (OriginOS is a mess!), but it can't compete with the Vivo for the camera, no matter what DxoMark says. Don't believe the numbers, the Vivo is the best camera phone you can get right now that has Google services.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
Well I agree with you but let's stay friendly.

It doesn't make any sense to keep a phone which you doesn't like at all. For me the vivo is the perfect phone. When I compare it to my pixel 7 Pro the vivo wins in every single point except in quick snapshots. For the vivo i would say you need a photographers hand. No wonder a lot of people will say it's not a good camera phone.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
Some of the reviewers clearly didn't use the phone productively. Any non Chinese reviewer that doesn't mention adb debloat of vivo.pem can be considered as not having actually used the phone as daily driver so I would not give anything on their opinion. As for Chinese reviewers many mentioned missing notifications - because less known Chinese apps are broken as well.

Then some praise every phone in their reviews only for two weeks later having the next best phone...

Hans Tech Talk being one of those...

Well there have been quite serious bugs that got fixed - the longer your phone takes the less safe. Many banking apps refuse to work once the security patch is older than 4 or 6 months. So right now we approach 2 months if Vivo is not changing their horrific updates then with 2-3 years it's likely they switch to 6 months or whatever - their update garanty is only for Funtouch.

And it's quite strange they push a trial version (not beta as it seems) without January patches as some other vivo phones got the January patches already.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
Vivo only promised this for the international models - there is no promise at all inside China. The Pro+ is a China only model (though as I said the distributor in Taiwan for example is trying to get the Pro+ too - but so far Vivo denied it). The track record on X50 series and before is pretty horrible - they seem to be out of updates already.

Also people complaining their Vivo Flagships got more buggy rather than less buggy a year in - as soon as Vivo has another flagship the quality of the updates got worse.

Samsung is also like google very quick - and you get January patch in January not in Februar even on older phones as long as they are in the 1 month schedule. And yeah they area actually monthly - Vivo seems unable to do monthly updates at latest a year into the lifecycle or as right now.

In the past it was much harder for manufacturers to keep their phones up to date. Right now it should not be hard at all to push monthly security updates - Android is well modular and google worked hard to make that much easier. Otherwise Samsung could not pull this off either with their big range of phones. Even their midrangers get great update support. The 3 year old A51 is already on Android 13 (albeit with December patch now not January patch). But I think it's now on the 3 months promise not monthly promise. Even their 4 year old A50 got the January patch staring 19. January (and that one is on quarterly security update schedule only now). With Vivo phones from that time they won't run a single banking app anymore.

Samsung even put quite a lot of phones that didn't have a longer promise on a bi-annual security update schedule after their promised quarterly updates were over. And usually they get the Janauary patch mid January to beginning of February. It's very rare they would get it end of February (if so then usually it coincided with a major Android update).
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
I think everyone here praising the X90 Pro+ should look at what happened to X80 Pro users - 0 month into the life cycle - still no stable Android 13, some broken phones and many having massive battery problems:

https://xdaforums.com/t/android-13-global-beta-starting.4480753/page-4

Now this doesn't seem smooth sailing. Then remember you can only send back the phone to China by post... Clearly for anyone who has thouse troubles - that's horrible.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
With Tradingshenzhen it won't be a problem at all. I have send them 2 phones back already. Their customer support is awesome.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Haskren:
and the X80 pro was a global release...hmmm...So X80 users aren't able to use the phone properly?

I was thinking of ordering from Giztop as they more or less guarantee no customs. Is Tradingshenzhen generally the preferred supplier?
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
Dunno but i can definitely recommend Tradingshenzhen. I have ordered there more than 10 times.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
Well for how many months will they cover it? 6? 12? The warranty in China is only 12 months (while Samsung/google/Apple give 24 in Europe on most devices I think).

By the time Android 14 arrives the X90 Pro+ will be 10-11 months old...

Reading the update stories of older Vivo phones is really bad. Why should it change exactly with the X90 Pro+ (and yes of course people with problems will be more likely to post - but the amount of people posting good experiences is quite short on the older Vivo phones).

And yeah the X80 Pro funtouch is under the newer Vivo update policy, yet no stable Android 13 yet... I wonder if Vivo thinks trial and beta updates are enough to satisfy their warranty?
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
Standard 12 months. Let's wait and see what's happening with the vivo. Maybe they'll be better this time who knows. Personally I don't care about the security patch until everything works great.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
Just read through Vivo phones here and update problems - be it X50 to X80 series - it doesn't seem to be great at all. If it were it would be the first time ever...

Basically you buy the x90 Pro+ but not knowing if it still will be a usable phone in 1 year and after. For that the price is crazy. Oneplus problems seem little in comparison. But yeah it looks like chinese models are a bit better than Funtouch when it comes to stability on updates...
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] PILLS2389:
@extremecarver why did you buy this phone?

Also, @P6P, do you think of returning the X90 Pro+?

Mine, looks brand new, but don't know what phone I would get in return, also don't have my old one, I gave it to my mom.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
Sure it will be useable after one year don't be so pessimistic.😅
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
Nope I won't return my x90 pro+. I'll keep it until there is another phone which is worth it.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Thanos88:
Well you might aswel go get yourself a Samsung. I have an Asus Rog phone 6, it's still on December patch but everything still works perfectly. Infact, I've had phones in the past with 3 4 5 month old security patches, but Banking apps still worked fine. Infact all apps still worked fine.

I'm happy with the camera, the screen, the fluidity & the battery life. Only minor thing for me is the notifications.

But yeah, not every manufacturer releases security patches the same month.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
Because i was stupid enough not to do enough research into older Vivo phones before buying it. Many people said it's better than the Xiaomi 13 Pro, I got it quite cheaply (880€) and I really wanted a new phone as my P30 Pro battery lately degraded a lot (2.7 years old). I had planned to wait for S23 - battery life is very important to me - and I thought okay it's a big price difference (especially in Taiwan) vs S23U and likely hardware just as good and software should be usable.

Actually I ordered X90 but recevied X90 Pro+ - then asked the seller if I just pay up (X90 was 600€) instead of returning. First I thought it's just the wrong box. Plus I had overlooked the X90 doesn't support band 20 so for the 2-3 months every year I spend in Austria it would be troublesome while the X90 Pro+ does (again bad research). And yeah in december the reviews were all glowing - but yeah none of them used the phone outside of testing it seems. Especially here the XDA review makes you believe it's really a super great phone.

I hated my P30 Pro for software update schedules and missing out on all the new Android 11 and 12 features (when I bought it - it was scheduled for updates till Android 12) but then places mentioning Vivo promises 3/4 years of updates didnt mention it does not apply to China version - nor that it arrives half a year later or whatever. I didn't upgrade before because I wanted to wait for SD8Gen2 or Mediatek 9x00 on a great phone with good software. Everyone mentioned how stable Origin OS is - yes it is - but they didn't mention all the things that do not work - nor the notifications problem. I don't mind debloating kinda have to do that anyhow on every phone - but yeah never imagined phones exists without working notifications.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
The x90 pro+ is a super great phone.

From a telegram group i have read that origin os gets more and faster updates than fun touch os. Sure you won't get such a great support pixels have for example but so far I don't miss my pixel 7 Pro at all.

Origin OS is smooth and stable yes and its not bad. I have also got 4 updates now since almost 1,5 months. That's not bad and also with security patch i would say all other brand are late with it except Samsung and google. Origin OS is just "chinese" and most people are not used to it. Also i have mentioned that several times, my notifications are working perfectly with all my apps. I'm also not sure what you mean with "all the things that do not work". It's a Chinese phone and isn't made for the west region so what do people expect? Missing Google is nothing to cry about that's normal with all China phones. People should be happy there is at least a way to get Playstore or other google apps working. It's not self evident at all check Huawei for example. Missing Google is the only reason I haven't bought any Huawei the last time.

It should be mandatory to read and do some research before you import a "unknown" chinese device.

I would like to say the vivo is a fantastic phone which isn't made for our region. Either you like it how it works here or you don't.

Be aware I'm not a vivo fanboy at all. I would use everything when it's good except apple.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Haskren:
That's the general feedback I got from the many reviews I have watched. I had my P30 pro for 4.5 years and never had any concerns about the camera or lack of security updates. I guess some users are just more demanding than others - I am a basic user who is looking for the best possible camera.

If there is no global release confirmed on Friday (that's when the "vivo series" launch internationally), I will order from China, debloat, and hopefully be happy
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
Look I partly live in China (before covid) and am permanent resident of Taiwan. I speak fluent Chinese, watch movies mainly in Chinese but don't read/write well. That China argument is lame because I see what people on bilibili complain about. The full battery management is rubbish, no way around it. This has been so since origin OS 1. Oppo is much better so there is hope. Hope they ditch origin OS and exchange it with color OS plus a Vivo skin.

Yeah I'm used to google services and would like a working google assistant - working means including continued conversation. Google live translate would be great but I know only Pixel can give that , not even Samsung and battery life is more important to me, so Samsung node SOC are ruled out so far.

I didn't know google backup doesn't work which besides assistant is a major point for me. Also Google find my phone maybe is limited (don't wanna permanently lock my phone to test this, but likely won't work).

Yes I imorted it because vivo pricing in Taiwan is insane. Therefore virtually no one buys them.

And while the camera is great for great photos, it's simply worse than the absolute top phones on snapshots (not gonna repeat myself here).

Add on top the really lousy track record when it comes to updates on older phones (not only when they arrive, but also that they get buggy as soon as the next generation flagship is out) and I really regret buying this phone and not just having waited for S23U. The problem is S23U will cost 40.000 ntd in Taiwan while the X90 pro cost me 29.000. I didn't wanna wait till I get to Europe in summer and wanted a new phone soon. S22U and Pixel 7 pro both were 28.000ntd more or less here with 256GB... Plus seeing those early reviews with crazy recommendations I fell for buying/keeping this device. Well I bought from a place with no return policy (only if dead on arrival). It's even harder for me to understand why you would lay North if 1000 Euro/USD for this phone.

I'm also using one Chinese apps that misses notifications, I'm not mentioning them here because no one will know it.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
About battery i want to add it's the best i have ever had with any flagship. 10h SOT easy peasy while standby drain is just damn awesome. So not sure you call the management rubbish. From all of your comments I can see only people on bilibili have problems and only chinese apps have those notification issues. No offends but i literally disagree with everything you wrote up there.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] vendetta17:
Nobody agrees with him anyway . Literally not a single person on this forum . But guess what ? He is still here writing long posts but basically saying nothing everytime .

I hope he understands that crying on xda everyday wont change anything . Write Vivo support , stop crying here . All the guys here who we own the phone , we love it . Deal with it .
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Haskren:
I don't think it's worth waiting for the s23U if you expect the image quality to match the Vivo. Unless there is a game changing jump in sensor from the s22u which was demolished in all tests against the Vivo. Crushed shadow areas and noise seems to be what Samsung goes for and I have no reason to believe the s23U will be any different. Like Apple, they don't even need to try as they will always be a popular choice for the sheep.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Vinzie:
So why are some people getting trial and public beta version and others don't get those updates ? Even if I read here that someone has gotten a trial version, my upgrade menu option does not show any update if I explicitly search for updates/trial update/public beta's etc...

I got word from Vivo support that my issue with unknown number for all incoming calls should be fixed in the next update... so I really like to update...
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Thanos88:
You got word from Vivo? That's interesting. Have you mentioned the notifications issues to them and have they given any word about those? Any other issues you've mentioned to them and they've given word to you? Would be good to know
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Vinzie:
No sorry, I don't want to bother them with multiple issue at once... and since the issue that all incoming calls show 'unknown number' bothers me the most I contacted them for it. I had to record some logs and send it to them.. And after 2,5 weeks or so, they told me my issue should be fixed in the next update... (fingers crossed)... Both on word on fixing any other issues..
[Google Pixel 7 Pro] jonahmt21:
i used to be able to manually reset battery stats using this command on my OP5T

dumpsys batterystats --reset

it doesnt seem to work on the pixel 7 pro. is there a new command for pixel/android 13?

thanks
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[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LocalGrandpa020290293:
Hello! I've posted this due to no one having any compatibility with TCL, I'm attempting to root my device.

Device Info: TCL 30T (Android 12, Model T603DL)

This is what I've attempted so far:

1: Enabled all settings for the preparation (Enabled Developer Mode and enabled USB Debugging and OEM Unlocking)

2: Tried KingoRoot (failed at 90%, no compatibility)

3: (On Pc) Tried ADB, installed it directly from Android (the Platform-Tools), and the device was found when typing (ADB Devices) through CMD

4: Tried to do a flash-boot but failed, I've also looked into Device Manager and it registers (TCL 30 T) as a "Portable Device", not sure if that's an issue

5: Tried some other one-touch rootings and failed, when trying to even do a flash it would say "command unknown" or "waiting for devices" and be on an infinite wait

I'm fairly new to android, though I've spent days on this. I'd love some guidance if you can, I can't find any tutorial for my device anywhere. Thank you!
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Arealhooman:
Is your BL unlocked?
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LocalGrandpa020290293:
I don't believe it is, I don't know the abbreviation "BL". But I doubt I have it unlocked
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Arealhooman:
Bootloader
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LocalGrandpa020290293:
Yea I don't think I do, even so where can I get it unlocked/what do I download to unlock it? (Links to sites that can help are good or downloads too)
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Arealhooman:
I can’t find any guides for your device, but here si a general guide that works for most devices: https://www.droidwin.com/unlock-bootloader-android-device/
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LocalGrandpa020290293:
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This is the issue, once it's rebooting I run the fastboot flashing unlock, and it says waiting for device, after such nothing happens (never finds it), and then the device just boots up normally, nothing special. What do you think is the issue?
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Arealhooman:
do you have Adb debugging enabled? Is your device on? Run “fastboot devices”
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LocalGrandpa020290293:
I don't have that setting, I did see "Wireless Debugging" (had something to do with ADB's), so I enabled it, and retried all the steps, still nothing. What is to note is that when running the command 'fastboot devices', it returns an empty line in the console and thats it.

EDIT: Yes my device is on when attemping this, I believe that fastboot can't find my device
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Arealhooman:
Double check? It should be a bit under wireles. You need it to operate form the BL
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LocalGrandpa020290293:
Not sure I get the last part. I turn on my phone and enabled all that needed to be enabled. I then plug my phone to my PC via charger/USB. Then I run the command prompt and you saw the picture (phone already backed up). Wdym under wireless?
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Arealhooman:
On the list
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Arealhooman:
Unless you are booted, wireless doesnt work
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LocalGrandpa020290293:
Do you have discord or something for instantaneous messaging? I can provide a live video too and upload to YouTube real quick
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LocalGrandpa020290293:
Booted as in the phone on and loaded (past lock screen), right? And no in device manager its labeled under Portable Devices
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Arealhooman:
It always does
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Arealhooman:
just you need wired
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Arealhooman:
Arandomhooman#0001
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LocalGrandpa020290293:
Sent a request, should be named Blef or something
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Arealhooman:
Hey, won’t be able to talk or accept the request now, but will later today kr tomorrow.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LocalGrandpa020290293:
Alright that's fine. Let me know whenever you got time, and I really appreciate you going out of your way to help! It's 4:56 pm right now, so if not today then possibly tomorrow. (I have 5-6 images and some of the settings I enabled, the stuff I'm using, basically that so it can help you figure it out easily).

Again, really appreciate it!
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Arealhooman:
You can always send here
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LocalGrandpa020290293:
Here are some images (i think the order is reversed), but basically shows my settings and how i tried
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Arealhooman:
You have usb debugging enabled. Connect it via cable and get drivers. Also, disable the timeout.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Arealhooman:
Does your device support fast boot?
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Arealhooman:
Try booting into fastboot mode and running devices
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LocalGrandpa020290293:
How would I tell/know?
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LocalGrandpa020290293:
Where can I get these drivers? I looked into them before and it only shows the platform tools, nothing else (there was a driver but its somehow incompatible with Windows 11)
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LocalGrandpa020290293:
I've been trying, can't ever get into fastboot, just hold Volume Up and Power, or Volume Down and Power for 11 seconds, and it reboots, and does Not go into fastboot
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Arealhooman:
Maye your device does not support fast boot. I can not find a unlock guide for a TCL device. I have never heard of them too. I suggest talking with support on how to unlock your bootloader
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Arealhooman:
Download TCL USB Drivers for all Models - Android ADB Driver

TCL USB Drivers, Android ADB Driver and Android Fastboot Driver for all TCL Models are available for download here.

androidadbdriver.com
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Arealhooman:
try this
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LocalGrandpa020290293:
If this method doesn't work, does it mean that it's impossible to root the device (if fastboot is not supported)?

Also tried an app to do it, it seems as if it doesn't support
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LocalGrandpa020290293:
Thank you, I will check this out
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LocalGrandpa020290293:
Hello. Yes my device has no support of Fastboot at all.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LocalGrandpa020290293:
I'm attempting to get into FastbootD as the video has, but it appears it's a little odd to get to (not sure maybe its my device)
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Arealhooman:
Well, if it doesn’t work, you shoudl contact support or maybe try the Samsung way, maybe the company does the same thing.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LocalGrandpa020290293:
Can you send the Samsung way real quick? If it doesn't work, I'll have to reach out