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[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
Well - I think we got lied about the Pro+ being a USB 3.x device - if you send stuff to it you better do it overnight - it's slow as F...

- And I check with USB Device tree viewer (besides the orignal supplied cable I used many others too - no change) - it simply does not support SuperSpeed but only 480mbit / USB 2.0 HighSpeed.

And yeah I'm sure I'm not having a fake phone. The camera is splendid. But anything concerning USB on this phone is complete crap, sorry to say so. Charging is the next horrible thing - the 80w charber has twice the volume/weight of modern GAAN Chargers. If you use a common USB PD charger 10-18w is what you may get if you are lucky. So you end up hauling along that horrible Super VOOC brick because otherwise charging the device is like 10 years ago speed. And it clearly only supports USB 2.0 not 3.0...

Yeah prepare to not send any data to this phone via USB cable, cause it's slow slow slow. Or did the debloat remove USB 3.0 speeds? I doubt it... (and I already disabled USB debugging, thinking that may cause slow speeds)

========================== Summary =========================

Vendor ID : 0x2D95 (Vivo Mobile Communication Co., Ltd.)

Product ID : 0x6012

USB Version : 2.0

Port maximum Speed : High-Speed (Companion Port 2-2 supports SuperSpeed)

Device maximum Speed : High-Speed

Device Connection Speed : High-Speed

Self powered : yes

Demanded Current : 0 mA

Used Endpoints : 6
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
Can you check if you have offline maps working in google maps? Nothing happens when I click on it. That feature alone degrades this phone if not working to simple camera!

I cannot live without googe offline maps...
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] MiYaGiN:
It works here, I have downloaded NYC and no problem to make a route
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
sorry - a reboot fixed the offline maps.

But yeah wonder if other people also have the USB 2.0 instead of 3.2...

My benchmark scores are a bit too low as well. Afer reversing debloat (because debloated phone somehow runs slower in benchmarks - don't ask me why) - I get 1200/4400 in geekbench.

somehow thinking my phone may be a model sent out to reviewers and not yet final built?

Manufacturing date is 25. November 2022. What kind of dates have you got?
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] MiYaGiN:
Hum, same here, just 2.0 on Tree Viewer. Manufacturing date is december 7. I received it from TradingShenzhen on the 15th. Geekbench 1492/5156
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
Can you do a speed check by transferring a big file like a movie both directions from computer? It should be very obvious it it's actually usb3.2
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Haskren:
Can anyone confirm if this phone as desktop mode when connected to an external monitor? I am planning to upgrade from my Huawei p30 pro which has this feature and I use it a lot when travelling.

Not a deal breaker, but would be handy!
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] PILLS2389:
I received mine today, in Geekbench mine scored 1496 / 5151. I can't figure out how to make the "usb device info" app to work, I press refresh and nothing happens. I transfered a 4.5 GB movie to the phone in 90 seconds.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] JakoDel:
I'd like to know this as well, but if the usb port is really 2.0 then we can say goodbye to desktop mode
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] MiYaGiN:
There is not desktop mode, just duplicate display on monitor, but I have two USB-C -> HDMI connectors ane just one of them works with the X90 Pro+

USB is 3.0, but depends on the cable you use, USB tree views, shows you 2.0 or 3.0. I have tried with original cable and still says 2.0, but with other cables to other user shows 3.0:

https://xdaforums.com/t/x90-pro-scr...stem-app-ver-2-2.4533545/page-7#post-87960943
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Haskren:
That's a downer. I wonder why they didn't include this mode. So useful. Anyway, guess the P30 Pro was a luxury
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
Yep if you find a cable that works (the included doesn't) you have 3.2, but that cable surely will Charge slowly. Vivo really dodged the USB part. The charger and charging itself is also hyper cable sensitive.

Don't count on being able to just charge it from your laptop's USB c port for example. Same my laptop charges only with select cables from the vivo charger. Sometimes seems to be random... If vivo had quick charging with PD it would be so much easier.

Notifications are the second mystery. since two days they are working but getting them on my Garmin Fenix 6X pro just works for random apps every day. Today Gmail works all others don't. Yesterday it was opposite.

USB is just like notifications, something not properly implemented. In general hardware besides that USB flaw is very good. Software outright crap to mediocre at best.

Coming from a Huawei p30 pro, I'm used to limitations, but not to dodgy behavior like the x90 series.

If I knew all the troubles before I would have waited for an Samsung s23.

Oh yeah just another if those hair tearing problems, my Google Maps seem to be 2-3 seconds behind in bicycle mode, 1sec in car mode. Meaning much harder to see at which Intersection you are in cities with small roads. That's while using 25% of battery per hour (so 4 hours Google maps means dead battery from 100%. Other apps using GPS seem to drain the battery way too quick too). I guess they really cheaped out on the GPS chip or botched the software for it.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
Maps works perfectly and also battery drain with gps is much better than my pixel 7 Pro. Dunno why it's bad for you.

You probably killed some important things with deblaoting because usb and notifications are good for me.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
I also tried without debloat (except vivo AppStore). Just try out yourself riding bicycle with Google maps , I suspect that the GPS is single channel except for Baidu only, oppo find X5 pro had the same problem.

25% percent battery drain per hour, 35% in plain sun over midday (according to accubattery which is very accurate here).
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
As I have already said i haven't so much drain. 25% in 1h is horrible!🤣
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] PILLS2389:
You made me curious, so I set a destination in Google Maps and then took my dog for a 40min walk. It drained 5-6% in that time. The screen was always on and I could hear the app recalculating the route.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
Yeah its very similar for me.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
That still may be very different. I'm talking midday sun phone mounted on handlebar, sun at 35 degrees (0 being vertical). Also speed makes a difference. In car is much better too. Foot is also different speed
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] LIPA83:
I think to order when I realised that model Pro plus is not coming to Europe. Just need to make clear, is it true that 5G doesn't work on this in UK? and there is obviously English menu in OS, any other issues? What is the best place to order from China ? Wonda.com?
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Thanos88:
5g works for me on 3 network
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] PILLS2389:
I can confirm that now, 5G works for me. Don't know why it didn't work on the first day and I got the message that it works only in China.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
Everyone gets that message but it doesn't matter. It drains lots of battery in both China and abroad so no difference there.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
Yep it worked perfectly for me since the first day I got it. Even battery drain is ok for 5g usage. My pixel 7 Pro was worse by a lot.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Haskren:
When you say battery drain for 5g is bad, how bad compared to just 4g? Twice the drain?
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
Vivo X90 Pro+ far far away from being the best camera phone on the world's most famous smartphone camera review website:

DXOMARK

Everything you need to know about the Smartphone Vivo X90 Pro+ 📱. From specifications to Pros & Cons and Scores, discover the Review by DXOMARK

www.dxomark.com

10. Place equal with the vanilla pixel 7, behind Xiaomi 11s ultra.. only really strong on the Zoom lenses. Devastating autofocus and again as expected bad results on preview and still problems with color/white balance (well who hasn't got problems with white balance on the x90 series...,?)
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
Dxomark is the most stupid site I have ever seen. Their tests and ratings are crazy.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] vendetta17:
Nobody cares about DXOMark nowadays . Everybody knows they promote different brands . We all know Vivo its definitely a top 3 camera phone . Thanks anyway .
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] vendetta17:
By the way , Xiaomi Mi 11 Ultra ( 2 and a half years old model ) its rated higher than the X90 pro + . That says it all .
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] jericho246:
Mi 11 Ultra had really good cameras (I had it) but in my opinion the Vivo X90 Pro+ is just better. Anyway, people take the DXomark ratings too seriously, it's like benchmarking but for cameras. It doesn't really matter in real world scenarios.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] :
Sad part is people believe in this nonsense.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] vendetta17:
I had it too . It was a good phone but how can you rate it higher than x90 pro + ? We cant compare them.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
Well I definitely would not say so. Their testing is very standardized in their test cases, which are quite common examples, and that favours cameras that are good at snapshots. That's why they are cited virtually all over the world and so popular. Samsung isn't doing well either with dxomark protocol but I bet the s23 Ultra will get at around 145 points.

Of course had they switched to sports mode on the blurred pics it would have scored 1-2 points higher. Had they switched to xxx mode... They use exactly two modes, auto and portrait. If auto has scene detection they will use it too.

The shutter lag vs Pixel and Iphone is huge. Try shooting your dog or your children in auto mode with the x90pro+. Won't give good results. Need to switch to sports mode but still suffer from shutter lag.

Vivo would really need to include a scene detection mode for scoring higher on dxomark.

And yeah the more I use the x90 pro+ the more it is apparent that it simply messes up badly in auto mode in many many scenarios. Also the missing variable aperture means it sucks outright for group shots or other shote where you don't want bokeh.

It's a top 3 camera when it comes to manual modes but the auto modes are simply not up their game. It has two color modes which both fail.. it's the best camera for portraits that you rework in Photoshop, and the zoom lenses work great at night in comparison to other phones. But then that still means colors all over the spectrum.

For specific use cases it's clearly the best smartphone camera, but as a every day camera for snapshots it's not up with the best. The software is simply way behind google, apple and Huawei/honor.

They haven't even tested yet the selfie camera which will not make it into the top20 I estimate. The video score was worst in top20 (sharing that spot with her x80 pro).

But yeah it was a bit unfortunate that right now they included a colored person in their reviews. Because if they did it with an Asian person, especially female the AI works much better. Vivo is the best example how good hardware doesn't suffice, but yeah same is true of course for any BBK phone.

The problem is, the x90 Pro+ will mess up far too many shots badly if you just hand it to a stranger. I tested that the last few days. My girlfriend has an iphone 13 pro. When we gave both of our phones to strangers asking them to take a picture of us, in 3 out of 4 cases the picture from her 13 pro was much better than from my x90pro+. The X90 pro+ camera simply is bad in auto mode but even if you know how to use it has quite some apparent flaws (e.g depth of field if not wanted and autofocus failing frequently on the 1" sensor - both problems that seem to be inherent to the 989 because Xiaomi is fighting with exactly the same problems).
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
Yeah still waiting for a full review of the phone by one of the top 2 review websites (not for camera but phones in general) which for me are clearly GSMArena and notebookcheck. But I can guess the results already...

Because when it comes to camera we now have the reviews or mentions in from the most well known reviewers like mkbhd (he had it already and just quickly mentioned it, didn't make it into his top smartphone list), xioabai (didn't win much lost the main categories to Xiaomi, Huawei, Google,..) Danny Winget and so on...

And I hope the white balance can still be fixed in future updates, hopefully even the autofocus improved..but vivo's track record on updates isn't too great.... It's not like google where you can actually expect significant improvement with each new gcam also on older models (and yeah while new they have been quite buggy at google lately, especially pixel 6...)
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Haskren:
From the DXO review of the x90 pro+:

So they say the noise level of the vivo is higher (but controlled) than the x80 and even the samsung and go onto show pictures showing the opposite.....
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] PILLS2389:
I don't care what DXO and extremecarver say, If DXO say Vivo X90 PRO+ is in 10'th position, then I think they should re-review the others phones, and extremecarver is a well known hater / troll around here of this phone.

What I can say is:

1. During the day (ideal conditions), they all take great pictures, the differences are too small.

2. What makes difference for me, would be during sunrise / sunset, lower light scenarions, where I think the Vivo is better.

3. Yes, the pictures of moving subjects are blurry 80% of the time with the Vivo on Auto mode, I think / hope they can improve this, I mean they have to modify the post process algorithm, for example photos taken on my Huawei are blurry if I quickly go and see the photos I just taken, but then they change, they are not blurry anymore, because the Huawei was still processing the photo.

4. Yes, they need to impprove the Auto mode, to recognise different scenarios.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] vendetta17:
I second this . Everybody knows extremecarver its hating the x90 pro + like crazy . I havent read a single positive thing by him on the phone . So , well ...his opinion its useless , just like DXOMARK. And im not saying it because its 10th place on their charts . I mean they got mi 11 Ultra ranked higher ( almost 3 years old phone ). And that's the end of the argument . That website its a joke who promote Huawei and Honor brands like crazy . If huawei releases a 200 $ phone it will fly straight into DXO top 10 .
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
10. Place is wrong overall, but not for their test protocol. Full auto besides clicking on portrait mode or clicking on an object for focus and using 4k30fps for video and zooming but nothing else - then 10. place is justified.

Though I do think magic 4 ultimate overall is better no way how you spin it. Pixel 7 pro simply is the best camera bare none for full auto, actually in general use even better than magic 4 ultimate. It's just that I don't see how the X90 pro plus camera wise can be a match for it, while vs the Pixel 7 pro it is a match depending on use case.

But then Honor sadly hasn't got the software stability and update frequency/quality of the Huawei before sanctions.

If I would rate the camera as in possibility to get great shots with a lot of work and taking pictures intelligently then I do see the x90pro+ overall best besides the magic 4 ultimate. They do have the best sensors and optics overall right now.

It would be interesting to see the vivo X90 pro plus in a blind test like this one against P7pro and magic 4 ultimate (because any blind test for the snapshot fraction will be one by P7 pro anyhow) - which is aimed more at ambitious photographers and not full on auto:
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Vinzie:
I have both the Mi 11 Ultra and Vivo X90 pro+. The Vivo makes much better photo's IMHO. Especially in low light situations. I don't use video that much, but during the day the Vivo's video performance is just fine for me.. I'm really surprised the DXOMark score is that low...
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Haskren:
Right. Moving subjects turning out blurry is due to the shutterspeed being low.

This is correct for low light scenarios. The only way to keep the shutterspeed high and freeze movement in low light with correct exposure is to increase the iso (which I think is what sport mode does) but this introduces more noise. I prefer cleaner images than a default high iso.

Does the Vivo use a low shutterspeed in daylight? That would be extremely unusual, as the camera would need to stop down with a fast shutterspeed in order to prevent over-exposure. This is particularly true for cameras without a variable aperture.

Overall I'm not put off by these concerns. I'm a photographer and used to shallow depth of field and taking full control of the camera rather than leaving all on auto. With that effort, Vivo seems to be the phone that can produce the best pictures at the moment.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] hirsti:
Just got a new firmware release for X90 Pro+, it doesn't mention any camera improvements but the camera app has a new version number, v12.1.41.637
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Thanos88:
How big was the update file ? Can you share a screenshot?
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Thanos88:
Thanks 👍 I just checked but I'm not getting this update. Anything I can do to push the update?
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
It's a Trial version and disappointing still December security update. Tomorrow it's February so already right now no monthly security updates, looking like this phone will lag behind a lot as it ages
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] PILLS2389:
Edited, already answered my question.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Thanos88:
Interesting, you have a point.i may sell mine
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Haskren:
What are you looking for in the updates to make the purchase worthwhile? I am still on my Huawei P30 pro - I believe updates ended long time ago but it's still going strong apart from the fingerprint feature which seems to have been disabled.

Are you afraid the vivo will be bricked or key features broken in the near future? Or what sort of timeframe?
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Manos_the_Greek:
How's the battery life? Any screenshot from the battery consumption any SOT figures?

Thanks
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
My p30 pro is in the same December security Patch, but yeah Huawei has been really bad about updates, and of course stuck on Android 10. But at least okay google worked, but the assistant missed continuous conversation too. I was aware that okay google doesn't work but didn't know before I received the X90 pro that backup and continuous conversation is broken too (could be fixed with root).

However when the p30 pro was new updates were frequent and monthly. That the X90 pro plus so new already doesn't get monthly updates is a big disappointment. Tomorrow google will publish the February patch, so I would expect to be on January patch before google publishes February patch at least the first two years.

But yeah the track record of updates on older x series devices is just horrible. That's why resale values are like nothing at all.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Haskren:
Side note; does the fingerprint scanner work on your p30 pro? Sometimes it comes back momentarily after an update/restart, but stops after a few days and then completely disappears from the settings menu. 4.5 years and still one of the best camera phones out there, so not complaining :)
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
Yes no problems. But the camera performance is pretty horrible in comparison, though in good light differences are small. Dynamic range and HDR is simply bad on the p30 pro vs any modern midranger or above.

Stability and battery life in idle/sleep are better than on the X90 however. Screen is still good besides 60hz. Camera really is the main improvement on X90 pro plus and power efficiency while surfing/screen on - but battery is shot now...

Plus I can trust the display glass, two small scratches only and never used screen protector.. not sure If the Schott x-sensation on the vivo is as good (if it is Schott and not some cheap Chinese glass). The screen protector on the X90 starts to show wear already. One month in and it's nearly as scratched as my p30 Pro after 2.7 years. I just keep it on because I guess in summer I will sell the X90. It's the most overrated phone I've ever had.... It's good but simply not great overall and the software isn't good at all.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Haskren:
Still beats my girlfriends iphone 14 in low light photography. It also has that terrible face brightening feature which destroys the pictures in my opinion. Overall seems a step back from her iphone 13 somehow.

Back to the Vivo - I am not remotely put off buying it as I know I can extract the most out of the camera.

I use the phone for basic stuff - personal/work email (through intune/company portral), google pay and the usual web browsing. The phone will do that, but have the advantage of a class leading camera if you know how to use it.

Ben's Gadget and the vast majority of prominent reviewers are all over this phone - real life usage, rather than strict parameter tests as per DXO.

I appreciate your concern about the updates, but still don't quite understand what the impact of lack of updates is in real use. Are you afraid key functionality will be broken?

I don't care for resale value - I never owned a phone that didn't have cracks by the end of it's use. They all ended up in the bin. The Huawei will survive as a great backup phone though.

PS: what do you mean the Vivo battery is shot already?
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] vendetta17:
For the name of God , please sell your phone . You basically hate every single thing about it , why not just sell it ???

I swear to God i will give you how much you paid for it , just so i wont see you around complaining about every single thing , daily, hourly . Never met someone like you ...Jesus ...
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Thanos88:
To be fair I'm getting splendid battery life on my x90 Pro Plus. On a 10 hours standby I lose 0%, or maximum 1% on 12 hours standby.

SOT I get better 10-11 hours with 120hz + wqhd.

I think I spoke too soon about the updates. Usually, security patches are a month in hand. So, now that we're entering February, we can expect January patch. In march it'll be February patch. This is how majority if manufactures push their security updates. I think it's only Google that update the patch on the actual month. But it's not even a big deal imo as long as the patch is no more than 3 months old. Even then, I don't know what difference it'll actually make. For me, the camera is brilliant. It can be slightly improved by a update for the focusing but aside from that, it's really quite fantastic. The screen is beautiful too. FYI I'm testing the battery on 60hz & 1080p now, and ATM I'm on 2.5 hours of SOT, with 92% battery left, last charged 22 hours ago. I think thats brilliant battery life.

All we can do for now if we notice any bugs or want improvements (ie camera improvement, battery or temps etc) is just give Vivo feedback via their app. The more feedback they get for a specific issue/bug/improvement, the more likely they'll release an update.

For me, overall, I'm very happy with the phone. The only thing I want as of now is for the notifications to be more precise & functional, which again, can be fixed by an update by Vivo. I read somewhere that Vivo have promised 3 years of updates for it's X series, I hope they abide by that.

1 more thing, the trial update that was released today, there's a chance that once this update is finalized, Vivo should in theory include January security patch in it. Let's wait & see.