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[Touch Cruise Android Development] bally3:
Probably.. it sorted out my issue.. do the formatting to fat32 or sticking into a nokia phone and formatting trick.

works great for me.
[Touch Cruise Android Development] fets:
not mine : it works better

indeed : with a new FAT32 formatted memory (1 GB) it rocks !!!

Thank's a lot ;)
[Touch Cruise Android Development] fets:
not mine : it works better

indeed : with a new FAT32 formatted memory (1 GB) it rocks !!!

Thank's a lot ;)

oup's dubble post
[Touch Cruise Android Development] Mormy:
I always missed that I must create a APN :(

Now my data connection works and I could log in into my gmail account :D

I don't understand how to show wich network I'm attached (not for the data but for the phone), because if I go in Settings->Call Settings->Network Operator it gives me "Error while searching for networks", but I could make and recive call and sms :confused:

Next step I must find an app to sync my Polaris with my gmail account so I could sync Android ;)
[Touch Cruise Android Development] fets:
One more thing : in WM 6, I have 3G+ (HSDPA) ... but on android, only 3G !!

why ?
[Touch Cruise Android Development] bally3:
stop double posting dude.. and 3g icon question.. no idea..sorry! it works pretty fast so I assume it is hsdpa but theres no way of measuring it in android that I know of.
[Touch Cruise Android Development] bally3:
I've re-downloaded neocore apk from market and it seems to be working of sorts.. it runs at least.. but I get some white box in the middle of the screen and the backgrounds in black and white.

oh well.. at least it proves its capable! :rolleyes:
[Touch Cruise Android Development] w04g005:
hey guys....after i got the 0.8 version of android working i stopped testing android...now i want to test the ion version. It boots normally but i can't get the internet connection working! Can you please help me?

What i've done so far is:

-Formatted to Fat32

-Changed the default text:

ppp.apn=internet ppp.username= ppp.password=

-Set up an apn in android

(Name o2 internet; APN= internet; MCC & MNC= 262)

do i have to start togga or modem?

(Tried both but nothing is working)

thanks
[Touch Cruise Android Development] Mormy:
I take a look around and if you have a O2 volume contract your username and password could be "guest".

You could find MCC & MNC settings here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Network_Code

I use modem ;)
[Touch Cruise Android Development] bally3:
try connecting to data in wino before booting.. my data didnt work on the first few boots but I got it working after a bit.

Also your mcc and mnc appear to be the same.. is that correct??

And yes, use modem instead of togga.
[Touch Cruise Android Development] bally3:
Thanks Morrny, added that link to first post.
[Touch Cruise Android Development] w04g005:
ok thanks for some reason android changed the MNC to 07 which seems to be right. i'll try it tomorrow...thanks
[Touch Cruise Android Development] dez05:
i think am in wrong place for this ? but if any one knows the best rom out right now would be great help i have the htc polaris ie touch cruise its been cracked thanks in advance
[Touch Cruise Android Development] bbezja1:
dez05 you're in the right place but on the wrong thread. Read the topics with ROM in its name. You will soon find out what is what and what you want. but please read before you ask.
[Touch Cruise Android Development] freddycs:
yeah~ with comparing to Android 1.1 or the old 1.5 foobar version which only connected at GPRS speed, this ION version is way faster :)

well, i have downloaded neocore from market as well. I run the test and other than just white box, i do see tanks (i think it is??) and some robots, but the graphic is purely white color with polygons....and i don't see any result (scores) of the test, the test just run again from the beginning...

does this means, in Android, we don't have 3D graphic driver also? or it is simply because of Polaris hardware?
[Touch Cruise Android Development] freddycs:
the reason I added "mddi_client_vogue.vsync=0" to default.txt is because i was running android 1.1 and the it is running at a very low speed, like slow motion. So i found this somewhere in vogue's thread and the speed become normal again.

Now I face another problem, which is, when I change the pm.sleep_mode to =1, it just freeze at the multicolored screen after run haret. but if I added the mddi_client_vogue.vsync=0 back to the default.txt, it boot normally.

anyone facing the same problem?
[Touch Cruise Android Development] freddycs:
D-pad button mapping

hi guys, i notice that the d-pad is not correctly mapped:

right button seems not mapped with any action, but the button in the centre of the wheel is mapped to "right".

anyone know how to fix this?
[Touch Cruise Android Development] freddycs:
Vibrate function

Hi bally3, regarding the question you posted in Vogue's thread, I did face the same prooblem but it was in version 1.1 and 1.5 but not in ION. With ION, I manage to activate the vibrate function for incoming calls.

are you using the latest zImage?
[Touch Cruise Android Development] bally3:
Yup.. using the latest build and latest zimage.. but still every time vibrate is reacted .. it continues until I press the power button. :o
[Touch Cruise Android Development] briggs81:
Yes I discovered removing mddi_client_vogue.vsync gave me the multiclored screen.. so i left it in.
[Touch Cruise Android Development] life02:
Just got a polaris to play around with and wanted to share my results.

I'm using the latest 1.5 ION build.

-Removing mddi_client_vogue.vsync=0 gave me multicolored screen as well.

-I've had 2 lockups so far requiring a battery pull... both happened a little while after I force-closed an incompatible app.

-The right button on the d-pad is not working. The center select key is mapped to d-pad right.

-The speech key is mapped to Home

-Since the End Key is mapped to back/close, how are yall hanging up calls? Options(IE button)-End Call?
[Touch Cruise Android Development] briggs81:
So what height/width settings do you guys find the clearest?

I've been using 336 x 448 and it's been pretty good. I went back to the default settings, and everything looks so clear and crisp, but far too big obviously for our screens. I kind of like bigger icons so now i am playing with 320 x 428, but it's a bit more blurry.

What other variations of screen settings do we have?
[Touch Cruise Android Development] bally3:
Tried the new build today.. Everything works as normal but crashes often and the vibrate issuue is gone.

Managed to load a few apps as well after initiating data in WinMo. Will try and initiate GPS in WinMo and try it too as someone mentioned on kaiser forum thats how they managed to get it working.

Theres a blue led thats constantly on now too.. usually blue led is for bluetooth in WinMo but it usually flashes and isnt constant like in Android.
[Touch Cruise Android Development] briggs81:
I am having problems with the newest initrd.. which sucks because i want to see if gps works!

edit: just freezes the phone when trying to run gps status
[Touch Cruise Android Development] briggs81:
Definetly more freezing with this build.

Also tried the gps by starting it in windows, but it reallly slowed the phone down and still ddint seem to work.
[Touch Cruise Android Development] Mormy:
This new build crashes very often to me too
[Touch Cruise Android Development] w04g005:
My feelingabout the newest build is that it eats the battery like no version before! Is it only me ? Does anybody know if(when) the battery issue gets fixed?

Do kaiser owners have the same problem?
[Touch Cruise Android Development] bally3:
I believe some do, but there are things like turning off syncing and changing power mode to 1 etc that can save battery life. Also not keeping 3G running all the time should help though its been said it doesnt affect battery much but I'm sure it can help.

Unfortunately the builds arent tailored for us polaris users and I'm not sure anything we report is being fixed or not, though the vibrate issue I reported seems to have gone so devs ARE taking note of errors we report.

dzo has commented on this thread a few times so I know he pops on from time to time and maybe other devs do too. Its a bit of a hit-and-miss for us unfortunately. We need more devs and we need to learn to do some of this stuff ourselves if we want to keep up with the other devices.

One way would be to try and raise a bounty for anyone willing to assist us, I did consider thinking of starting a thread for this myself but I think its time someone else to take up the effort to keep this project going.
[Touch Cruise Android Development] w04g005:
OK i think that would be a great idea!

If android runs well on our Polaris which means:

-Normal Battery drain

-Working WIFI

-Working GPS

-Maybe working Bluetooth

-Maybe flashing Android (not starting over haret.exe)

i will pay for example 20-30$ (or how much would you pay?)

cheers
[Touch Cruise Android Development] bally3:
Why dont you start a new thread for this W04g005? :)

It may spark a lot of interest.. who knows?
[Touch Cruise Android Development] bally3:
Just tried the 324x432 resolution posted by Tac on the Kaiser android thread and it seems spot on for the Polaris too.. try it :)
[Touch Cruise Android Development] freddycs:
does anyone know how to customize android for polaris? is it the dev must have knowledge in linux?

There are alot of information in Wiki...but i hardly understand it....

http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=HOWTO:_Unpack,_Edit,_and_Re-Pack_Boot_Images

now i'm running the latest build of Android ION. After replaced the new initrd.gz which solve the problem of error when trying to access the wireless setting page, and everything works fine.

the blue led is always on and not sure what does its indicating. i have installed the adb drivers and when pluged my polaris to my laptop, i can see a new device appearing in my device manager: ADB interface

i have also installed android sdk for windows, and can push file to the android running on polaris. other than this, i'm not sure what else i can do.

now i'm trying to read through the wiki...and see if i can find something that can help to make android run better in our polaris :)
[Touch Cruise Android Development] kulen:
Hello everybody,

I've been reading this thread, and many others related to Polaris for a long time now.

I've not been too active, though, because I'm not developer, and I need my phone to be available almost always, because of my work, so I can't test or flash my phone too often.

But, as I said, I've been reading this forum a lot, and I noticed a few things.

First, as you all mentioned Polaris is a great device but not too popular with devs (and probably users). I think that is because it was not offered by mobile operators as much as some other phones were (like Kaiser ...).

The other thing is that it is hard to develop Android for Polaris if no one of developers doesn't have it.

Giving money to somebody who make something work is a good idea, and a way to make competition so people get on work for it.

But devs would first have to buy a Polaris to maybe get a prize if they manage to make something work. and that could be a problem

So, I think there is another way.

Let's raise money to buy a Polaris for some dedicated and committed Android developer (e.g. DZO)

Of course he must be willing to accept it and to commit to do Polaris Android development.

And it shouldn't be to much of a problem for him. He would have to fix battery problem and follow development of Android for other devices and implement that on Polaris.

It could have one side effect too. If people see something is going on in Polaris department maybe they would start to buy them instead of getting rid of them.

I'm ready to give 10 EUR for that.

P.S.

Bally, congratulations on more than 1000 posts. You keep Polaris community alive. Keep on good work.
[Touch Cruise Android Development] w04g005:
OK i will do it this evening....(I will paste a few screenshots of android and apps which only work under android)

I think this may be the last chance to get this work done!

@bally3: you are in contact with the relevant developpers?! When i started this thread, can you please talk to them (dzo,...)?

@kulen: ok this is a good idea...but i've seen that a used HTC polaris (o2 xda Orbit II) costs about 150€. I don't know if we are able to collect as much money.

cheers
[Touch Cruise Android Development] bally3:
Kulen I thinks thats a wonderful idea, rather than have a vague quantified bounty that doesnt get paid out, if we BUY, or pay a dev to buy one, then that negates the problems that we've previously had where large amounts were promised but not delivered.

Nice to see some creative juices flowing here.. keep it up! :)
[Touch Cruise Android Development] bally3:
W04g005, getting images of working android and stuff on the Polaris definitely a good idea. And yes I will speak to the devs and see who would be interested to commit some of their time to us. I'd say Martin has enough on his plate with the Vogue and Kaiser, also it may actually slow down development if he's looking at too many devices but I will ask him all the same.

I dont think its too high an amount to pay 150 euros or so, if we all put in 10 euros each its only 15 people. If we cant get 15 people to put in 10 euros then maybe we dont really want Android as much as we think we do! :rolleyes:

I'm putting on my thinking hat to see how best we can do this...
[Touch Cruise Android Development] briggs81:
Pretty funny how when new files are released, they fix some peoples problems but introduce other problems to others. With all the new files I now can't have conversation on phone, no sound.. have to revert to either an old zimage or an old initrd... and its random sometimes.
[Touch Cruise Android Development] bally3:
It is strange.. If I could have done it, I would have set up a team that used only one rom and radio to see whether we could isolate the problems, but unfortunately everyone has there own choices.

I would stick to 1.59 radios and keep a clean card. If you experience issues that prevent calls or booting, clean format your card and try with just android files. I now carry two cards aroud with me, not ideal but it saves me worrying about losing my important files while playing with Android when I'm out and about.

My personal opinon also is to try to stay clear of 6.5 roms as they are still experimental if you're testing Android regularly and having problems but again some users have reported no issues with 6.5 roms.

I'm currently using 1.59.46 radio and Rukako's rom that comes with it I believe. Its a damn fast and reliable rom with plenty of memory - I get over 60Mb program memory disabling Manila 2d and using SPB3 and I intend to stick with it until 6.5 is official.
[Touch Cruise Android Development] bally3:
Just noticed that vilord posted in the vogue thread about the last update breaking microphone on Polaris.

I've asked him if he has a Polaris, maybe he knows someone who has one?
[Touch Cruise Android Development] w04g005:
in a german forum there are sold 2 ta the moment....

http://www.ppc-welt.info/community/showthread.php?t=145063

http://www.ppc-welt.info/community/showthread.php?t=145017

i think that would be a possible way to buy an used polaris (i don't trust ebay ;-) and i had only good experiences with this forum)

i could ask how much they want to have for their devices...
[Touch Cruise Android Development] bally3:
Quite happy to go with the german site idea, or any other that anyone comes up with. Ideally if a dev tells us they can get hold of one locally we can just pay them.

What I would suggest is that we nominate one person to hold the funds, I'm quite happy to do it but I'm also happy for a mod or a seasoned user to hold the money with a view to either sending it to the dev (or sending the dev a phone) or refunding the money if we are unable to raise the amount we need.

whilst we work out the best way to do this I'd like all users who would contribute to post their pledged amounts on the thread so that we can gauge whether we will be able to raise the money required.

W04g005, can you put this info onto that thread and also add that you will add the names of the users who pledge, the amounts and also how much they actually donate to the first post.

I urge users only to pledge if they are able to donate as false pledges do nothing to further our project as wastes precious time If we have more donations than the price of the phone we will place a poll on the thread and ask the donaters to decide whether they want the rest of the money to go to the dev or want it refunding equal ways.

Lastly, as money IS the root to all evils, whilst I am happy to go with the majority on who collects the money and I am happy to oversee this myself, it should be made clear that circumstances outside the collectors control should not become the responsibility of that person and no refunds are implied, offered or shall be given. Or to be put it simply, if after sending the money or phone we dont get what we paid for, you don't start blaming the person who collected the money, as I stated earlier if we dont raise the amount needed then the money will be refunded.
[Touch Cruise Android Development] w04g005:
I started the thread http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=534684

if you talk to the developers you can give them the link to this thread (maybe we have to wait until we collected some money ;-) )

cheers
[Touch Cruise Android Development] w04g005:
I've seen a possibilty to donate money on an account on trust. If the work got completed the "person" gets the money...as long as the work is in progress the donations get collected. The important difference is that the people REALLY have to donate (via paypal).

But i don't know if it was PAypal or something like this!!! Maybe anyone of you knows it?
[Touch Cruise Android Development] briggs81:
That's a good idea, maybe we should get a bunch of us to try the exact same roms, android bundles and what not and see our results.
[Touch Cruise Android Development] w04g005:
My suggestion is the latest chavanbravo ROM for WM6.1

it is good in speed and available as multilanguage.... (and i'm using it at the moment ;-) )
[Touch Cruise Android Development] bally3:
Be very wary of trust based schemes, many are bogus. Paypal is reputable enough but unless whichever company offers the scheme is covered by paypal's guarantees then its risky as paypal will throw their hands up if it goes pear-shaped. I would personally choose someone who everyone is comfortable with, maybe one of the senior mods. I actually would be more than happy for someone like dzo to hold it.
[Touch Cruise Android Development] bally3:
I like chavonbravos roms, I used his naked one for a spell and that gave me an awesome 70Mb program memory - even after I'd installed ALL my programs!

I think the only reason I didnt try it this time was the 1.65 radios, which I dont like.
[Touch Cruise Android Development] kulen:
bally,

I wouldn't have anything against you handling the money. You're most devoted to polaris developmebt and you're always present on xda-devs.

So I believe you would use it only in best interest of all polaris users.

and even if in some crazy case it ends up with you, I wouldn't be sorry because you deserve it for all that you do here.

so I think you're the man foe the job
[Touch Cruise Android Development] bbezja1:
+2

i defenitely agree
[Touch Cruise Android Development] w04g005:
+3

good idea
[Touch Cruise Android Development] Mormy:
+4

I think it are really both good idea
[Touch Cruise Android Development] bally3:
Thanks for the trust guys I'm sure we can work something out :)

On a side note, the latest build on the google vogue tree has a polaris specific default.txt included - so it looks like we're still being included in the updates.. woohoo!

I asked vilord if he owned a polaris but he hasnt responded yet, if he does then I'm quite happy for the donations to go straight to him if he will look after us polaris users. Of course I would expect everyone to donate directly to him.

I've had the last build running on my phone now all day and I have to say battery life hasnt been bad, I changed the power mode to 1 to see how it went and it seems fine. I used it on and off all day and still had 60% battery left which is about norm for me in WinMo too.

Trying out the latest build, I dont know what the changes are though.
[Touch Cruise Android Development] bally3:
double post - darn slow forum :(
[Touch Cruise Android Development] bally3:
For those of you with Windows 7, try this to get adb working:

Unplug phone, install program and set up adb, then uninstall program. Voila.

Works a treat! :)
[Touch Cruise Android Development] bally3:
Just a final Jerry Springer thought before I go to bed..

Milli260876 asks in the Bounty thread:

Fair question, Milli and W04g005 did point out the obvious financial issues with that solution - not everyone is loaded and can afford new devices.

But there IS another answer to this argument which is - Why should we??

Manufacturers and retailers are not going to complain if we act as the sheep they prefer us to be and buy the latest new this and that of everything that comes out - they're in the business of making money.

But isnt that why we're on XDA Developers. the worlds biggest and best known site for pda/mobile development? Because we DONT want to conform to the ranks of sheep that we forcibly would be if we owned any other non-smart phones that require you to purchase a new device if you want any more functionality than the device offers?

We love these devices because for whatever there shortfalls, we can make them so much more than what they promised or delivered.

I think Android is going to be THE biggest boost to our devices once its completed. If you think about the price of a htc magic and the tiny difference between the two devices, the polaris is going to look a mighty attractive device if its capable of running both WinMo and Android (of course we have no idea whether flashing an Android rom will mean we can flash back to WinMo or not, that remains to be seen!)

The kaiser is a great device and in some ways is much better-suited to a Linux OS with the keyboard, but for joe public its still too bulky a device to suit non-techie tastes. In this area the Polaris excels and you only need to look at the interest the Magic is producing to know that there more than a little market for a thinner device with only a virtual keyboard.

I think if or when Android based roms start coming out on the Polaris, we're going to see a lot more interest in this so far very under-rated and less noticed device.
[Touch Cruise Android Development] Mormy:
I'm sorry, but I have a noob question:

How can I close the aplications?

I saw that if I long press the "1" button (lower-left), I open the task manager and there are all the aplications that I open before :(
[Touch Cruise Android Development] briggs81:
I believe Android will close apps as it sees fit.

The pop up thing is recently opened apps i think, perhaps not ones that are currently open.

You can go on the market and download TasKiller, that lets you close apps down via a gui.
[Touch Cruise Android Development] briggs81:
Anyone have any idea why we have the blue led on all the time with the newest files?
[Touch Cruise Android Development] life02:
It's a setting that was changed for the notification lights on the Vogue. The hardware code for the bluetooth notification light on the polaris must be the same as one of the lights that the vogue android build calls. Different hardware of course leads to different results. I've unpacked the latest initrd.gz in linux and am looking for the notification light changes so I can revert them.

I was also going to see if I could fix the keymapping while I was looking at the code. Does anyone remember a version where the right key was mapped correctly?
[Touch Cruise Android Development] bally3:
Yeeayy! someone who can poke around the kernel for us.. nice one life02! :)

Maybe you can show us how to some of these things?