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[Touch Pro CDMA] Scott:
Ya ya, I know. I was just disapointed. Thanks for letting me rant.... No unlocker for the 6850 yet though. Its differnt than the other TouchPro's.

Radio: 1.03.03v
[Touch Pro CDMA] tmwes:
That's my video, and there were a couple of factors:

1. My big fingers, and I had been using TF3d for about 5 minutes

2. In my office, I have zero cell reception...not sure if it searching for a signal was a factor in the slow boot or slow initial reaction.

3. The battery was just about dead when I made that video

4. The portrait to landscape is slower in Opera than anywhere else, it seems to me. In other programs it switches quickly

5. The lag in music (and it causing any slowdown) could have to do with the fact that it is an older microSD card I'm using...it might not be the fastest.
[Touch Pro CDMA] Skyh123:
Wow that is too bad, right now with activesync, text messages, and opera running I have 111 megs free. When will people learn that VZW is always going to cripple their phones and move over to Sprint.
[Touch Pro CDMA] tizonly1:
I think it's silly to compare the stock TP performance to that of a Vogue/Titan running a cooked ROM.

Well, not silly... A stock TP should be able to out-perform an optimized Vogue anyway, but that's not what we have here. Instead, we have what we have, and we'd be remiss if we made a final judgment on the TP before we've even had the chance to optimize it. If it's still super-low on memory after it's optimized... then... oh well, the phone sucks. Until then, I think we can temper some of the rants.

As for the YouTube vid... I stopped watching 1 min in. The guy was searching for a signal the whole time. I don't know about you, but any WinMo device I've ever used is slow as hell when searching for a signal. That factor, alone, nullifies any argument that could be brought up with that video.

I'm still in "wait and see" mode.

I'm not even gonna buy a TP until it's been unlocked, and the GPS has been unlocked. Until then, try to get the best out of your TP's, but you have to know a better day is coming.

EDIT- I watched the rest of the video. Your main problem is that you didn't play "Vibes and Stuff". I don't care how laggy the TP may be... Vibes and Stuff is too smooth. No OS lag can mess that up.
[Touch Pro CDMA] tmwes:
Well, I was only on track 1; I suppose I could have advanced to track 7...

It was indeed searching for signal. As I sit in my office now, if I have the cell radio off and just WiFi on, TF3D is very fast.
[Touch Pro CDMA] Namtaru:
I shold note, after i ran those tweaks for TF3D it's running even smoother than in my earlier posted video

So far not a hiccup from this thing (except when auto rotating in opera)

Not that i'm trying to say what VZW did to this phone is acceptable, but so far the RAM argument seems to be null up to this point.

Yeah it sucks, it doesnt have as much, but i cant see a difference between it and the Sprint one so far
[Touch Pro CDMA] domineus:
I was able to keep the device for a day (friend wanted me to see if it was acceptable)

so I did some comparisons with the sprint touch pro running vzw stock rom. His was very slow. Very very very slow. And I wish I could've increased the pagepool on his and reinstalled the rom. I tried it didn't work

without TF3d it is okay. But with it, his model wasn't that great
[Touch Pro CDMA] Scott:
Exactly!

I will hold off on my ranting any furthdr untill its unlocked.
[Touch Pro CDMA] NexVision:
I think something else is going on there I have the device and boot with around 57 free with TF3D active so not sure what you got going on this was before any tweaking I have done I have now got it up to booting with 75 with TF3D active. I am talking to cmonex as we speak working on SPL so it shouldnt be to much longer. I have noticed some lag when doing certain things I will not agree with the fact of being the worst device yet I do agree they seriously screwed the pooch on it but hey who knows maybe the ram is there just hidden and can be unlocked.
[Touch Pro CDMA] Scott:
What did you do to get that with TF3 active?

Thanks for working on the SPL. We do all serisouly appreciate that!!!!

Any thoughts on unlocking the GPS?
[Touch Pro CDMA] kdj67f:
The wifi on my titan just quit, and it is still under warranty but I was debating on just sucking it up and getting a TP.

Now I dont know if I want to get the verizon version now or wait to buy an account locked sprint model and "modify" it to work on verizon in a few months. I would have to assume someone will figure that out by then.
[Touch Pro CDMA] tizonly1:
It's been figured out:

http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=44663
[Touch Pro CDMA] symyn:
My phone runs similar to Namtaru. I did do a hard reset twice right when I got the phone. I know this worked for some of the people that had the Sprint version, so I didn't want to take any chances. Your results might vary.
[Touch Pro CDMA] Namtaru:
I also hard reset my phone a couple times while attempting to stop the Verizon cab installs
[Touch Pro CDMA] theshaz:
THinking about getting TP

Coming over from Sprint...had no choice..Wife got a job with VZW and you cant beat the Employee Discount.

I have a Sprint Touch and really liked it. Doesnt have phone sevice becasue we swiched when the wife got the job. So it's just a PDA now. :(

Verizon has a wonderfull network but only now do I see how they nerf their phones. :mad: The only reason why I would get the TP from Verizon is for the warranty....yes I can get a Sprint or Altell and put the VZW ROM on it and have more RAM - but if the hardware dies/break...your toast.

Now with the Touch I never even got close to running out of RAM when using it. So it makes you mad KNOWING that others have more to play with. But for me the kicker is the GPS....I hope you guys can pop that and other things on this device loose.

I hope to make my order next week.
[Touch Pro CDMA] kdj67f:
AH! I missed that one. thanks for the post! Good to know...
[Touch Pro CDMA] TouchProHo:
I Knew this was going to happen, Does Verizon think people are dumb and not going compare a phone that is named the same exact thing on another carrier. their vx6800 aka the mogul on sprint has no GPS enabled. Verizon is greedy I guess they need the money to pay all of those people hanging around on their commercials... unrelated I heard the wackberry storm is a drizzle...
[Touch Pro CDMA] xander0306:
off topic response

storm is a bigger disappointment:mad: Talk about lag time, it takes about 3-5 seconds for it to do anything. I went from the palm 650 to apache to the curve and hate that you cant do anything with the blackberry other than what good ol verizon wants you to do. WM is a much better platform. Plus the blackberry OS is BORING. I am going back to WM w/ the TP as soon as I can.
[Touch Pro CDMA] Mr_Alexander:
I have just gotten the TP from Alltel & I'm pleased with it so far. The specs for it are almost exactly like Sprint's version....especially the RAM. I currently have well over 100mb ram available with TF3D running.

My biggest concern was the pending merger between Verizon & Alltel & how that would affect which version of the TP would be available to me. I was very relieved to see this one. I'm expecting that I would have the opportunity for redress if anything happens to my phone once Verizon takes over.

I must admit that I haven't really had an opportunity to do anything yet. I still haven't even installed anything on it yet. But moving up from my Titan running DCD's 3.3.4 & M2D I'm hopeful for some good development.

Ooops! I just installed Google Maps & no GPS LOCK! Darn! Double Oops!! I forgot to set the GPS location settings to ON instead of 911 Only(default). Man I feel stupid. First lock took 6min though...
[Touch Pro CDMA] Scott:
Hahahah, I like that "Verizon is greedy I guess they need the money to pay all of those people hanging around on their commercials... " I may put that in my Sig Block!!!
[Touch Pro CDMA] TouchProHo:
Go right ahead scrosler I just made it up on the spot, I was a VZW Customer for 9 Years and they were so expensive great service but sprint I must say is half the price and the same network performance EV;)O.

The mogul was my first phone on sprint and made me love HTC products each one is like a little PC and just like PCs they can have inferior installs and components compared to others in the same class. Like my Sprint Touch Pro, Out of the box it was lack luster but I tweaked it out a little and it is pretty nice I must say, My only 2 complaints are the lack of buttons like the camera and comm manager, and The Damn d -Pad is useless... I have a theory that HTC is going to come out with a update that will make the d-pad lights different colors. then they will be functional like Red for Email... Blue for TXT Msg... Etc...
[Touch Pro CDMA] Namtaru:
so you buy a touchscreen phone and complain about the lack of buttons?

lol
[Touch Pro CDMA] TouchProHo:
the touch pro is a touch screen with a slide out keyboard thats why I waited and didnt get the diamond thats a touch screen phone. lol
[Touch Pro CDMA] Namtaru:
So you want a camera and comm manager button on the keyboard?

There is a custom key you can program for anything you want on there
[Touch Pro CDMA] leedawg:
Here here, This post is pretty much an exact quote of what I Was thinking in my mind when I got my xv6850 in the mail on tuesday. I was so angry I drove straight to the sprint store and signed up for sprint and paid the early term fee. I figured id break even in 4 months any way so not sure what ive been waiting for.

I have now both phones right nxt to each other and there is no comparison. THe sprint one is so much better it makes me want to cry that verizion would even do this to their phone.

I dont even know what to say but needless to say its over now and I have moved onto a new carrier, and ive got to say best move I did, so far I am enjoying the service.
[Touch Pro CDMA] Mrdzone:
So i've ordered the touch pro from verizon and it should be here saturday. I've heard a couple people state in this thread they did hard resets when they initally got the phone and it made it speedier, can you elaborate on this procedure? Did you do it immediately as you turned it on or after it booted for the first time? I'm a little bit scared of doing it while it's booting up the first time but I also don't want mine to be slow. (also how do you do a hard reset?) If you could outline the procedure you did I'd be very grateful

thanks

-Dzone
[Touch Pro CDMA] symyn:
When the phone comes up go to Setttings, System, Memory, Clear Storage, nothing else to it.
[Touch Pro CDMA] Kalnel:
Hard reset on the Verizon TP is:

1. Power phone off (hold down power button until you warning screen and follow instructions)

2. Press and hold down d-pad button

3. While holding d-pad button, press and release power button

4. Dialogue box will come up instructing you to press audio up button to hard-reset
[Touch Pro CDMA] Mrdzone:
and dong a hard reset will get rid of the bloatware and make the phone faster? I thought the hard reset just returned your phone to the stock configuration? Also how does one perform a soft reset just so i know..

thanks

-zone
[Touch Pro CDMA] Scott:
Sent my piece of crap back. I had them re-activate my Vogue that was only 4 days old when I go the

Touch Amateur

from VZW. What a freakin mistake. That thing was so damn bloated. After hours of research I came to the conclusion that if you strip the memory down to half of your competitor, lock the GPS to one of the worse navigation programs ever made then this phone may not be for me. Granted the Vogue had locked GPS but that all changed a while ago.

Anyways.... Talk to you guys when they unlock it and get some ROM's out. For now im sticking with my Vogue.

Peace!
[Touch Pro CDMA] viper3two:
glad to know I am not alone. my vzw TP is junk as well...dang thing lags so bad it is about useless. I am contemplating sending it back but I still have about 25 days on my trial. Its sad that they would do something to such an awesome phone...been waitin on this for months.....

Thanks
[Touch Pro CDMA] isdnmatt:
What about the damn arrow key between M and N? I can't believe Verizon would do something as stupid as modify a standard QWERTY keyboard. Why couldn't they put the up and down arrow to the right of M and move left arrow where down arrow used to be?

Absolutely unbelievable that they would go and put keys in between the qwerty layout.
[Touch Pro CDMA] Kalnel:
If you hard reset and allow the phone to go through its setup, then soft reset when you see the message that Verizon customizations will begin in three seconds, you'll avoid installing them. (You may have to soft reset several times to get it to stick.)

To tell you the truth, though, I actually show slightly MORE memory available after allowing the customizations to run than I did when I avoided them. In this case, it doesn't seem to add too much bloatware (from what I can see). It updates OneNote, adds a Verizon theme, installs Opera, and toggle s a few features. (The phone is still locked either way, of course.)

As far as speed, mine improved after I ran MemMaid and set it to optimize for extreme performance. I'm also not a fan of the Touch Flo stuff, so I'm not running that -- seems to speed things up. (I use Spb Mobile Shell instead.)

This phone's speed isn't blowing me away (even coming from a three-year-old 6700), although it is quick enough if you leave apps open.

Looking forward to a custom ROM!
[Touch Pro CDMA] viper3two:
Well, had to send mine back today. Trust me I sure didn't want to but I'm not going to have a phone that is so buggy and slow as hell (thanks big red!). I waited for months for this thing only to get it crippled by vzw. The phone is a beautiful device, if left alone by Verizon. I am contemplating dumping VZW and going to Sprint, but I beleive the service is no good out here, still checking with people.
[Touch Pro CDMA] forevr5688:
I got three of these phones from VZW and noticed that they all seem to have a bump where the verizon logo is on the front. Does everyone have the bump or did I just get a bad bunch?
[Touch Pro CDMA] smilepak:
I just noticed it 10 minutes ago. I thought I had cause a warp or something. Interesting to know other people having it.
[Touch Pro CDMA] viper3two:
I sent mine back today, but yes, mine did have a bump or "bubble" right above the verizon logo.....
[Touch Pro CDMA] kevinsneel:
NexVision - what did you do?

Interesting difference here compared with scrosler -- both untweaked and tweaked -- what tweaking did you do? Thanks!
[Touch Pro CDMA] stanton:
I was kinda annoyed at that too. I ran my fingernail over it with pressure a few times to get it to "stick" better. It appears to be there because of a gap behind the touch screen, so there's nothing to really stick to at that part. Luckily it doesn't stick up enough to catch on stuff.
[Touch Pro CDMA] heatlesssun:
Not sure why people hate the XV6850 so much

Not saying that its great to cut the RAM and lock the GPS to a paid service but this seems to work well, even with TouchFlo on, it dosen't to lag.

Verizon is just weak on hardware. You go with Verizon for the network period.

Two days with the XV6850 and really the only problem is the GPS for me.
[Touch Pro CDMA] Zenoran:
ya seriously... how did you get another 18mb? u mean from disabling the dialer or something?

im wondering where that extra 32mb is that is supposedly being used by the OS.. is it possible to reallocate that? obviously it's not needed?
[Touch Pro CDMA] stanglifemike:
Me too, very slight but right at the "riz" in Verizon
[Touch Pro CDMA] straylight:
For its just about the speed over everyday tasks. Yes I know you can now scroll your thumb across touchflos interface and the icons rotate faster, but what happens when you selec something? I would happily give up another 10mb of ram if I didnt have to wait 3 seconds for the messaging window to come up. Or Operas browser to take a good 15 seconds just to load the web page color.

Am I asking too much? is there a way to improve the responsiveness simple tasks? I dont plan on using more than one program at a time, but the delay drives me nuts! Especially since the delay sometimes convinces me i didnt hit the screen right, and I end up registering a double tab in the same space.

Ive seen winmo phones from 3 years ago of equal speed.
[Touch Pro CDMA] Sam_I_Am:
VZW Raphael unlocker available

There is a VZW unlocker available now.

Check it out:http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=42503
[Touch Pro CDMA] straylight:
Sorry noob here but, What are teh ramifications of having an unlocker for a phone? does it solely mean thatyou can run custom roms? or does this also mean you can unlock the GPS? (or is that another issue alltogether)?
[Touch Pro CDMA] lafester:
gps has nothing to do with it although now that you can flash roms progress can be made toward solving the gps issue.
[Touch Pro CDMA] Reistlehr:
Ditto. Mines got that too as does 3 others i've seen.
[Touch Pro CDMA] RonMac:
I went to two VZW stores this morning to cinfirm that the issue of the

"bubble" on the vzw logo was consistant across all the phones. This looks like a problem across the board. Each display model had the same issue.

It's always something with these guys (vzw) isn't it.
[Touch Pro CDMA] Scott:
Sprint does, Alltell does, Telus does... Its made like that.
[Touch Pro CDMA] Scott:
Finally got my Beta ROM donw for the 6850. More free RAM, VZ Nav works, MUCH MUCH faster....

If anyone is interested.... PM me.

I tried to post it on PPC Geeks but Bored is such an asshole he just screwed the entire VZW communitiy.

Look at this guy!!!

Here is my original Post from PPCGeeks.

http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=48262

If your interested in having a FAST 6850 with working VZNav PM me.
[Touch Pro CDMA] lexluthor:
scrosler,

I'm interested.

VZNAV works without a subscription on your ROM?

I'm pretty sure it works fine (with a subscription) on the default ROM, so I guess that's what you meant, otherwise it's not really anything special.
[Touch Pro CDMA] Scott:
This is the only custom rom on the face of the planet that is 100% stock look with the fastest CE OS there is (IMHO), 1.5.0 and working VZ Nav! Its MUCH MUCH faster than the stock ROM. Its not loaded with all the CRAP the other Custom Roms are. Look around you will see what I mean.

This is a PURE OS with VZW branding. I took the OEMs straight from the 6850 Leaked ROM and spliced it into the eRice kitchen. This thing is sick fast!

Here is the link if anyone wants it...

http://www.scottcrosler.com/TouchPro/ScottsVZWROM.rar
[Touch Pro CDMA] lexluthor:
What exactly makes your ROM so fast?

It's still WM6.1 and it's got to run most of the same services, etc, so why is it so much faster than the stock?
[Touch Pro CDMA] Sam_I_Am:
Finally coming around...but

OK so I'm tempted to return it anyway before my 30 day trial is up and get a Sprint TouchPro BUT after doing a couple of the recommended memory tweaks and ditching TouchFlo, adding SpbMobile Shell and getting VZW to fix a couple config errors on my account the phone is actually useable...except for the GPS.

If only I was smart enough to figure out how to flash scrosler's ROM onto my phone I'd be in hog heaven...
[Touch Pro CDMA] Scott:
Good question let me expalin...

My ROM is not the same WM6.1 as the stock ROM. You may be new to the scene so let me school you right quick on CE OS versions... And for those that just dont know....

There are MANY MANY CE OS version of 6.1 out there that microsoft releases. The on I used is the latest out.... 20931.... The one that we get stock with our phones is like 50 revisions behind (Ya VZW for keeping it real!).

Changing out the SYS files from very outdated to cutting edge makes this MUCH faster. Ask the users on the board that have tried. I have tons of positive feedback in PM. Im going to post a new thread about the ROM when I get out of work.

You wont be disapointed. Try it. Trust me....

Try it and tell me what you think.
[Touch Pro CDMA] Scott:
Go to PPC Geeks, Go to Upgrade Foruym for Rapheal. Download the unlocker that was realesed a few days ago and run it.

Now download my ROM. Run the updater. Enjoy.

Much simplier than the days of lore with our Titans!!!!
[Touch Pro CDMA] lexluthor:
I had no idea.

I was looking for something that was very stock, I mean I don't mind the Verizon custom stuff and whatever they install on it is fine. I can install my own cabs once I'm up.

So, basically this is identical to the stock ROM, except you load in some newer OS core files?

I may wait for a revision or 2 yet. I'm not so excited about reinstalling all of my software and tweaks 3 or 4 times.
[Touch Pro CDMA] Scott:
I hope you understood. I wasnt trying to flame you BTW. I was just answering your questions ;c)

There will be no revisions. This is just as solid as any stock ROM. Its IS stock. There are no tweaks. Nothing to fix. No addons!!!! Its a stock ROM with a new OS and working VZ Nav.

The only ROM of its kind right now! (No other "custom" ROM runs VZNav and its all we have right now!)
[Touch Pro CDMA] lexluthor:
I didn't take it as a flame, don't worry.

I'm not planning on using VZNav.

I guess my only other reason to wait then would be for someone to come up with a ROM that unlocks the GPS for use in other applications (free ones).
[Touch Pro CDMA] RonMac:
Speaking of FREE GPS, has anybody heard anything about getting this done for the 6850 yet?

I kinda miss having it since moving from my titan.
[Touch Pro CDMA] Scott:
There will be no ROM that does that. I know that you may have read alot of this and that from people. These are peoples hopes and dreams.

We will need to revert the PRI. Its not the ROM BTW, its the PRI that holds the DRM for GPS. No ROM can fix that.

Im not saying GPS will not be eventually unlocked but it wont be a ROM per se as you see it. It will be a reflash from a stock level device. Somone will have to figure out how to remove the obfuscated PRI.

Hope that explains it.... If not I will try to do a better job. At work right now and Boss keeps walking by and talking to me....
[Touch Pro CDMA] wwozman:
Opera Mobile

I haven't gotten my VZW Touch Pro yet, still on the Titan.

After reading the comments about laggy performance it occurred to me that when I was playing with Opera 9.5 beta on the Titan there was a pretty severe memory leak. There would be less memory available after completely closing opera and everything would run extremely slow until after a soft reset. Are people experiencing this on the Touch Pro. Is Opera embedded in the OS and always running in the background? Opera is pretty cool but seems to be a resource hog...

Has anyone cooked up a Touch Pro ROM combining the most recent 6.1 OS with TF2D? I would think TF2D would run great on the Touch Pro. TF2D runs acceptably on the Titan. Don't need the 3D, that's just eye candy anyway, form over function you might say...

Thanks
[Touch Pro CDMA] Scott:
Try my Custom ROM that is a pure stock hybrid ROM. TF3D runs much better than even the sprint version out of the box with half the memory ;c)

But no, I dont think there is a touch pro version of M2D. Anyone else have any thoughts?
[Touch Pro CDMA] lexluthor:
Well, it explains it alittle, but it really doesn't matter and you probably should start a new thread with your ROM as we are hijacking this one.

I guess still if someone does wind up unlocking the GPS, I'll have to go though this full reinstall.

Maybe I'll try to toy with your ROM tonight. I've never unlocked or re-flashed a WM device, but I know what I'm doing with computers, so I should be ok as long as I seek out and follow the processes.

Also, I see you added IE6. Is that a major upgrade to the PIE in the stock rom?
[Touch Pro CDMA] Scott:
Very major. That was in the kitchen I used.

Not worried about hijacking the thread. Its mine ;c) BUt yes, When I get out of work I will post a new thread with the ROM in it.
[Touch Pro CDMA] lbjohnny:
HI Scott - I just wanted to make sure....

1. this is a rom for the Verizon Touch Pro correct?

2. It is just like the shipped version but cleaner faster etc...?

3. Also if I returned phone would I have to flash original ROM??

Thanks in advance!:cool: