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[Magisk] asripath:
Guess caught you getting off on the wrong side of bed.

No intention to stray OT.

1.

HMA has trackers embedded, was querying about them not system wide blocking using it.

Disabling trackers of HMA and network does not seem to affect HMA.

2.

Fuggedabout battery drain mentioned.

Was talking about chatter from apps in background when not in use.

Work apps do not work on root detection.

Lsposed sees parallel space.

Cloning / installing HMA is not working.

App crashes on open.
[Magisk] 73sydney:
No there was no wrong side of the bed? please dont insinuate "issues" where there are none, please and thank you. i dont really want to start inviting mods in here to do clean ups - because part of me will die if i have to, i like to have open discussions, but creating drama will not be tolerated, okay? are we good? :)

i reply to posts with the information given....

i was just replying and pointing out HMA doesnt do what i thought you were enquiring about - trying to block trackers and network WITH HMA - i can only reply based on the words you use, in future please use far more words and please explain in greater detail, to avoid miscommunication, thanks

now that i know you were talking about disabling HMA's trackers and network permissions, thats really a personal choice - i personally dont get that granular or obsessive about every package on my device, plus the author gets a small teeny amount of $ for his work via the ads in it...and while i hate ads, i support developers - as i (largely) work for nothing too - case in point you’d be surprised how many hours went into the guide above

that entire part 1 is a personal choice case, is a general one about packages and not on topic - and this is me saying its not on topic

theres entire threads on here devoted to debloating, battery saving and disabling things to the point of tinfoil hat-ism that are better fits for that kind of discussion

part 2 is also veering off into personal choice and possibly overly focused topics that really dont have anything to do with HMA, sorry

the topic is open for any question that relates to HMA or even just a bit of banter/madness, but i dont want it to become a haven for (very focused and personal use) topics that are best handled elsewhere in existing threads, thanks

im afraid i cant even give you a theory on island and HMA as the only single time i ever used island was testing its ability to stop a banking app from seeing root, thats the sum of my knowledge and experience with it. i had it installed once for 30 seconds about 8 months ago
[Magisk] asripath:
So in short

HMA and embedded trackers discussion is OT

HMA and work profile is OT

Thanks for the guide.

So long ...thanks for the fish
[Magisk] pndwal:
Seems an interesting exercise; you may be the first to try HMA in 'parallel space '...

I'm interested in how LSPosed sees parallel space of workspace / noisy apps in Island... Does LSP have a means to configure this?... thru some module?...

It may be useful for others using 'workspace' / 'Enterprise mode' etc to find a working configuration for HMA to work with those apps...

If not, thanks for all the red herrings... 🙃 PW

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[Magisk] ipdev:
“We are now cruising at a level of two to the power of twenty-five thousand to one against and falling, and we will be restoring normality just as soon as we are sure what is normal anyway.”
[Magisk] pndwal:
"Thank you. Two to the power of twenty thousand to one against and falling."...

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Don't get me started... On normality I mean... May be quite a subjective thing...

And the prospect of restoring it cannot be left to a probability drive alone... Not since Sirius Cybernetics Corporation's GPP capable personality drives have been a thing anyway... 😜 PW

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[Magisk] HippoMan:
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[Magisk] asripath:
No longer on this thread...

Came to pickup my towel
[Magisk] pndwal:
Still, let us know any solutions you find!...

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... and can I lend you anything?... 😃 PW

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[Magisk] 73sydney:
The reasoning behind your enquiries changed from your initial post of "its about battery" to then "background chatter" between apps, neither of which is HMA's purpose or domain

I merely pointed out there were existing threads that were better suited and would probably garnered more interest/testing and possible prompter resolution

Either feel free to stay and even enjoy some banter, almost anything is a go, but not things where its a (very) personal use case of something that can be handled way better in established thread, this should be self evident?

Dont make me post more 90's clips, this will get ugly real quick...
[Magisk] pndwal:
Did that change?... Seems member was just explaining sandboxed some noisy-background apps (that otherwise wake device / cause battery drain) w/ Island...

Also said 'forget about' battery drain; work apps sandboxed w/ Island are the real issue & cloned HMA for Island parallel space doesn't work if I'm understanding this correctly...

I imagine others might well wish to hide applist etc from apps in combination with workspace / Island etc...

Better than 70's! 😝 PW
[Magisk] 73sydney:
@All ....

Ive explained it 3 times now

There probably, knowing me, wont be a fourth, and though part of me will die, i will call a mod in here if i hear another word about this stuff....

HMA as far as i know doesnt assist in either:

a) managing battery

b) managing background processes services to do with ad receivers/trackers

i linked the poster to the Island thread which, and for the 3rd or 4th time, is where its more likely he will get a response and in a more timely way than here, where people expect to find a guide, and a bit of faffing about...

also by now, i think most people know my stance on conspiracy level block everything nonsense

Im super NOT interested in having that nonsense here

Now i get why mods clean up threads.... because **** like this detracts from what the aim was....and its also stopped being fun a FULL DAY AGO, which was the other aim of the thread

the beauty of the forum is not only can you find existing places to talk about these topics, and ive already linked to them, but you can create one if you really want to

one more word and ill just pull the OP down and call in the mods

are we REALLY clear now?
[Magisk] pndwal:
FWIW I was able to join TG HMA discussion group today; had to study chiral carbon atoms to get past invite chemi captcha ("to limit group join; the disgusting moron game cheaters can make you nausea a whole day")...

I see that apart from Dr-TSNG (nu11ptr), (Nangong Xueshan) vvb2060, Shana Saimoe (LoveSy / lovesykun / yujincheng08) and Canyie are also assisting w/ HMA 3.x project... Some 249 members...

@asripath:​

I did see this in TG Channel linked from HMA GitHub (public unlike discussion group); first pinned message:

- may be relevant. PW
[Magisk] mrjuniork:
Well said 😎
[Magisk] ipdev:
There is a reason I always welcome new users to the "xda family".

I consider you all as brothers and sisters. 🙂

Some might be more an oddball cousin. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯​

Nothing wrong with the 70's. 🙃

Sister Sledge - [YouTube] - We Are Family

Cheers all. :cowboy:
[Magisk] shoey63:
I bet you would love to meet these girls someday. You seem to have more than just a passing interest 😉
[Magisk] HippoMan:
Even though the following two topics are OT here and might result in a call being made to the Moderation Police, I'm glad that 70's pop music, the Hitchhiker's Guide, and comments about meeting girls are still considered to be on topic for this "Hide My Applist" thread.

The two OT items ...

a) managing battery

b) managing background processes services to do with ad receivers/trackers
[Magisk] pndwal:
Actually I looked for RikaW (rikkawww, RikkaNya) in HMA discussion too but didn't find her there...

I'm really just interested in Magisk (and associated) development and wanted to tabulate names and handles of main Magisk devs in one place (for my memory)... (Nb. Canyie, canyie2977, is the exception... An exceptional 18 yo contributer among (currently) 252 others but not a main dev.)

It'd be fun to be in Magisk's internal Slack group wouldn't it?... John Wu invited @Chainfire (Jorrit Jongma) into Magisk Slack 3½ yrs ago after he sold SuperSU to CCMT only to discard it... (At least Jorrit got some well deserved recompense for years of free contribution to the root / dev community!)

Some Open-source Root History:

Magisk early days was mostly a one man (school boy really) job w/ @topjohnwu (John Wu) pioneering and releasing Systemless Xposed in 2016, then by August the same year releasing Magisk to the public... [Magisk was a one-man effort...]

Later in April 2019 John got help from a professional app designer, an in early 2020 made @diareuse (Viktor De Pasquale) "officially the main maintainer of Magisk Manager"! [Magisk becomes a two man team effort]...

With @yujincheng08 ('LoveSy', Shana), the name behind the current systemless XPosed Magisk solution LSPosed, and her associated LSP dev @vvb2060 + @RikkaW of Riru XHook framework for Magisk fame making countless contributions to Magisk itself (MTK and other device compatibility fixes, enhancements, Zygisk inspiration and methods etc, etc) and @diareuse no longer contributing to the project, Magisk has recently become a one man and 3 women team effort! ...

It's a shame we've lost a good man for now and see little change to the @diareuse crafted UI, but we're all affected by real life...

I'd be happy to meet any of the Magisk team... I have had some interaction in GitHub Magisk issues however; even been able to contribute in minor ways (eg proposal for the current JSON-based update system for Magisk modules that we eventually got after official module repo w/ updates was sunsetted).

It's good to appreciate / understand which Magisk Devs are currently contributing to other projects like LSPosed, HMA, Shamiko etc also... 🙂 PW
[Magisk] 73sydney:
@Stillhard is the biggest worry when it comes to these ladies, he seems to like it when they get spicy and close his PR's on github with or without a very brief smackdown

Hint: he likes the smackdown, seems to appreciate the brevity as a bonus

But you know...whatever floats your boat, or tickles your pickle

We embrace the nonsense here, just have your nonsense calibrated correctly upon entry

And dont question my crazy, i dont question your seemingly blind devotion to sanity :p

Theres so much unnecessary nonsense/voodoo/tinfoil hat-ism surrounding "saving battery" and "beating the man" by disabling <insert process here> that i got tired of it around the point of Android 7. People who have seen me about for long enough know that i have a special headshake and facepalm combo for the likes of Divest ROM for kooky prepper level nonsense. Whenever i see a thread drifting off into this digital militia mindset, imma call it out for the nonsense it is. It has exactly 0% tolerance in any thread i start.

Anything else is open...you may commence the flood of cats pics...
[Magisk] pndwal:
Where is #371? 🤔

Ah, see you meant guide comment re. disable Enforce data isolation worked for you to solve issue with latest updates for Pixels...

Nb. The CI build recently produced is likely a proper/better fix allowing data isolation settings to remain enabled as it "Fix[es] argument order of startViaZygote() hook on 14 QPR2"... Hope we get a public build with the fix soon... See post above:

https://xdaforums.com/t/hide-my-applist-a-brief-guide.4519731/post-89467545

👀 PW
[Magisk] Lughnasadh:
Think they mean Post #371
[Magisk] zgfg:
However, for TB Checker, with:

- App Data Isolation

- Whitelist mode

System Apps must be excluded - otherwise TB Checker will complain that GApps are not found when testing Play Integrity
[Magisk] Mollchunn:
Yep, I didi exactly the same, all is green exclude syscall.
[Magisk] zgfg:
With the setup as on the screenshot I have syscall green. Everything is green, TB only detects AOSP Mode (LSPosed module) - but I cannot hide AOSP Mode. For that I have to use Whitelist mode and must not enable Exclude System Apps but TBChecker then doesn't see GApps and cannot execute PLay Integrity Check

Everything else (and all other LSPosed modules that I have) is green in my TBChecker for me (also in Ruru, SChecker...)
[Magisk] Slim2none4u:
When I install HMA, my phone just bootloops.

This is the version I'm installing from GitHub actions.

HMA-V3.2.r414.1b2a52e-release.apk

Any suggestions would be great.

I pass device and basic.

Edit to add info

Pixel7Pro stock rooted with magisk

Mods: PixelXpert, PIF AutoPIF NEXT, Playcurl, LSPosed Zygisk
[Magisk] Mollchunn:
Maybe it depends from anything else, I have all checkers green (Momo only bootloader), only TB with syscall:) Maybe, it is a false positive, cus all apps work just fine, however.
[Magisk] zgfg:
Apps may not be looking for syscall

You can test syscall also in Ruru
[Magisk] pndwal:
Pixel w/ post March updates?... You can try CI build ("Fix[es] argument order of startViaZygote() hook on 14 QPR2") if you have/make a GitHub account. Not sure about bootloops, but fixes issue where HMA was breaking apps on Poxels... Above:

🤠 PW
[Magisk] Mollchunn:
In Ruru all is just fine)
[Magisk] zgfg:
Ok, sorry but I'm not sure did you share your screenshots

1) Settings / Data Isolation

2) App Manage/ Select App / Ruru

3) App Manage/ Select App / TB Checker

And Templates - if you use Templates for 2 or 3

Of course, make sure that you have exactly the same settings for 3 as for 2
[Magisk] m0han:
Just an FYI: In HMA v2.3.2 no 'Data Isolation' option is seen (I think I've mentioned this earlier). Not enabling that and 'Blacklist mode' still gets all OK - including Device Integrity - on Poco X3 Karna running AICP A12.1 with latest Kitsune Mask.
[Magisk] zgfg:
Fine butnthat has nothing with my posts

I never said that HMA helps or is necessary to pass Device Integrity, specially that Data Isolation was instrumental for passing Play Integrity

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I did say that:

- if I enable Data Isolation with Vold App Data Isolation

- if I enable Whitelist mode for TB Checker

- if I don't Exclude System Apps

then TB Checker cannot execute Play Integrity Check bcs GMS (as part of System Apps) is hidden from TB Checker by Whitelist mode and (Vold) Data Isolation, hence TB Checker cannot trigger testing the Play Integrity

(Not being able to test does not mean that test fails)

But all other checkers, Play Integrity Checker, Simple Play Integrity Checker, Playstore / Advanced/ Dev Options are of course not affected and they can test Play Integrity and pass

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What I mentioned earlier was due to the fact that to pass other checks in TB Checker, I need that setup with Data Isolation and Whitelist mode

Hence it's a matter of trading for me - either to fully pass Xposed tests in TB Checker or to be able to execute Play Integrity testing from TBC

I posted months earlier exactly why and due to which special LSPosed modules [that most others provably don't use] I do need Vold Data Isolation

Anyway, to avoid repeting things, clogging this thread, causing more missunderstanding, etc, let's put it aside
[Magisk] Slim2none4u:
Yeah i am on the latest April security patch.

I thought that was the HMA-V3.2.r414.1b2a52e-release.apk was the CI build. Is it not?
[Magisk] pndwal:
Ah yes, sorry... Missed that it's the same commit... So seems there's more issues... 🙃 PW
[Magisk] Mollchunn:
Settings/Data Isolation:

Ruru:

TB Checker settings. Shows syscall fail only.
[Magisk] Mollchunn:
Today I stuck with another problem, did some experiments with Propsconfig for fingerprint changing, now CTS profile failed and device become not certified)) did all back, but trouble isn't disappered.)) Will be doing some experiments to return certs back.
[Magisk] m0han:
I wrote my post as Just an FYI about HMA v2.3.2 where no 'Data Isolation' option is seen. I fail to see how that info could clog the thread or cause misunderstanding of any sort.
[Magisk] zgfg:
Looks ok ()like mine), you could try also by disabling Exclude System apps to see would it help

But strange that it works for you for Ruru (for the same syscall detections) but not for TB Checker
[Magisk] Mollchunn:
Exactly, I don't give a damn about TB, just for myself. All apps, McDonalds and banks works fine, so it's good at the moment.
[Magisk] lh94:
I don't have git rn. Could someone be kind enough to release the apk for this?
[Magisk] pndwal:
Here you go. 👍 PW
[Magisk] s--c:
Working perfectly 👍👍
[Magisk] s--c:
Didn't need to clear playstore data just clear cache & force stop to get working.
[Magisk] makeyourself:
What does the "force mount data" here mean (from a HMA log)?...

[ INFO] 05-09 10:52:43 (PmsHookTarget33) @shouldFilterApplication: query from com.myapp.android
[ INFO] 05-09 10:52:48 (ZygoteArgsHook) @startViaZygote force mount data: 10268 com.myapp.android
[Magisk] SOCOM-HERO:
This worked for me. No idea what changed, just happened suddenly for my Pixel 7 May update after a two restarts. Unsure cause, but hopefully future update fixes it. All apps I checked that need hiding are working as they should after turning off the Disable App data isolation setting. Vold app data isoloation was already off.
[Magisk] Aguys:
Use this updated HMA: #402

it fixed the freezing issue
[Magisk] SOCOM-HERO:
Should I revert the settings to their original values with this update?
[Magisk] s--c:
Yes
[Magisk] gettinwicked:
Has anyone with a pixel 8 pro gotten intune company portal to work? It was on mine, then I did a factory reset and couldn't after. On A15 beta now. Tia!
[Magisk] pndwal:
I don't use, but this comment:

See you found the thread but...

It occurs to me that you may need ZygiskNext as well as device integrity, app hiding, existing root hiding etc... It (ptrace+fuse) is more hide-able (with Shamiko) than current inbuilt native bridge loaded Zygisk... Both are potentially detectable w/ tricks however but ZN method is still less mainstream...

Whoever tests, please report all environment changes needed. 🤠 PW
[Magisk] casouzaj:
For me, MS Intune Company Portal runs fine, under Android For Work. I have an Xperia 1 II running LineageOS 21 (A14). I use KerrnelSU. Regarding PI, I have PlayIntegrityFork v8 and Shamiko v1.0.1. Zygisk maphide module might be playing its part too. For them to run, I installed ZygiskNext v1.0.5.
[Magisk] pndwal:
Yup... Seems to confirm what I suspected... 5.0.6173.0+ may now be detecting native bridge loaded zygote injection... Long live ptrace+fuse (but don't hold your breath). 🤠 PW
[Magisk] gettinwicked:
I suppose I could have shared my setup in my post.. My bad.

I'm on Magisk 27 stable - hidden, configure denylist setup, zygisk enabled

Shamiko

Play integrity & playcurl - been passing for a while

Hide my applist - blacklist used, app and vold enabled, enforce disabled

Zygisk lsposed

Applist detector is solid, doesn't detect anything

Using intune version 5.0.6157.0

Will zygisk next work with zygisk lsposed installed? Anything else I might use to help? I've been having to use my work iPhone for teams and outlook.. I'd love to be able to ditch it again lol. Thanks for any help!
[Magisk] pndwal:
Yup, zy-LSPosed. (ZN is from same dev as HMA... They're all associated with LSP anyway, and they made Shamiko ptrace+fuse compatible.)...

Suggest you just try with ZygiskNext and report... Also, use the last CI build rather than public build of HMA if on latest Pixel ROMs (fixes issues with apps with 14 QPR2)... Add anything associated with modding (not just root apps) in HMA or try whitelist mode. (Some banks freeze if they find even detector apps like Momo!)... And did you take Hide the Magisk App (stub obfuscation)?; Some apps (eg Sparkasse push-TANs Promon engine) were detecting Magisk App with either Magisk app in stub (using Dex file pattern matching) or if hidden with HMA, but not when hidden by both. (So both may be needed for Magisk depending on app detecting)... 👀 PW
[Magisk] gettinwicked:
Well, that went about as bad as it could.. So, I started by installing zygisknext. This didn't help, and I tried both the hmal blacklist and whitelist. So then I decided to try the zygisk maphide as another person said that, that was helping. That was a mistake. As soon as I had it installed and tested after moving hmal to a whitelist and rebooted, tons of app crashes. Restarted, same thing. So I removed maphide and zygisknext, no change. I ended up having to factory reset, and back to A14 (the beta kept messing up..). Sooo, not sure how far I want to go at this point. I'm going to get it set up as I had before my post, see what happens, then maybe try zygisknext. Unless there's a better way. Either way, thanks for your help!
[Magisk] pndwal:
More confirmation detecting NB-Z (and file mounts?):

👍 PW
[Magisk] FrogMaster-:
They've definitely added some form of Zygisk detecting as of 5.0.6173.0. Although I've not been able to locate any trace of it in their obfuscated code. I've updated my original post to overview exactly how I got the latest version working. Zygisk Map Hide isn't required, but using Zygisk Next does allow for the latest version of the company portal to function.
[Magisk] ashish1989:
Why we need zygisk next, when we already have inbuilt zygisk in magisk app itself
[Magisk] zgfg:
As in the post you quoted, for better hiding Zygisk. Check more about ZygiskNext on the GitHub ZygiskNext project
[Magisk] chaos193:
ZygiskNext successfully hide root from intune company portal. Everything was working smoothly up until the latest update of Teams version 1416/1.0.0.2024112102 and Outlook version 4.2422.0. Intune still works just fine, it's just that both Teams and Outlook detects root. My guess would be because both Teams and Outlook were installed on the work profile thus I can't add them to the Blacklist template in hidemyapplist. Is there any workaround for this?
[Magisk] Rajareits:
Hey!

Any idea why the service won't start? What can I check? I've tried the 'force clean runtime environment' endlessly.

Android 14, Xperia 10 V, Magisk Delta etc etc

Thank you!

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EDIT: never mind, got it working after a reinstall.
[Magisk] itandy:
HMA is using more than 200MB of memory. Is it normal?
[Magisk] matmat07:
Hello. enabling and applying a template on apps makes them unable to open. I only see a grey screen on them.

Has anyone run into this with a solution? This is with V 3.2-410, on a pixel 8. I believe the bug was resolved in this version, but I may have misunderstood.
[Magisk] fijasko:
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Hide My Applist Guide Hide My Applist is a LSPosed module by Dr-TSNG (nullptr). Often referred to as HMA. In the simplest terms HMA aims to stop one app detecting a list of other installed apps. - It can often help stop your banking app(s) from...

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[Magisk] matmat07:
Oh, July 2023 , now I see the problem... I though the latest release was from 2 weeks ago and just had to have the patch included.