[Magisk] pndwal:
Well modders generally aren't 'normal' users!... We're a breed apart mate, we're 'special' users, 'n don't you forget it!...

...But yes, Devs are another tier of user again; many are just modders who got to grips with some fundamentals and put the principles to work for themselves and the community... They're still only human, as refs above to the XPrivacyLua dev prove.

Normal users don't play cat and mouse games with the banks either...

It's a given that Devs are doing the hard yards / development for hiding solutions, but also a given that maverick users (Yup, that's what we are) need to inform ourselves to play the game strategically, fly higher than the 'enemy', avoid crashing and burning etc, etc....

It's on each of us really, or just stay on the ground (like 'normal' users)!

Still, you can make suggestions for HMA / many other mod tools on GitHub etc if you want to help...

Never used, but Island and Shelter come to mind... A quick google search brings up alternatives like Insular, App Cloner, FreezeYou!, Parallel Space etc also...

Sorry, but that's rubbish!... Try getting superuser privileges on Apple iOS!

Google lets us unlock/root by default, although OEMs can prevent that if they wish (come on Nokia!)... But they have to compete with iOS in the secure mobile OS space... Apple is streets ahead in the game simply because they do 'block users at so many points' and ensure 'users have no rights on system by default - great!'. 😜

Practically, this means that they need to offer strong attestation to uncompromised (read secure) 'trusted' environments for Devs/apps to run their code, ie to properly attest to 'verified' boot...

As I've pointed out several times, Google have actually achieved this in PI APIs strongIntegrity verdict in principle only... They are, in fact, doing modders a favour because implementing PI strongIntegrity will actually produce unacceptable collateral damage among bank customers...

And so we continue to have our cake (modifyable device, custom ROMs/solutions/root etc) and keep the cherry on top (use proprietary bank and other security centric apps) too, with some expected effort thwart bank dev's efforts to detect our mods and to spoof (fairly easily) PI deviceIntegrity...

Google could have made the API much more attractive for banks if they wanted (clue: AVB chain of trust keys embed hardware attested device specific information, eg keymaster version implemented, that could have been included with PI verdicts, allowing banks to determine bootloader status infallibility for most A8+ launch version devices without disadvantaging older device users as their PI attestations would still show bootloader verified status), but they didn't!... If you read between the lines, Google have in fact found ways to love us while paying expected homage to banks/corporate partners in order to protect their bottom line!

Modders just need to get real... The Google universe doesn't owe us that much, but if they fail to compete in this space, modders will be the worse for it...

And even when the cherry is finally gone, Android will remain moddable/rootable... iOS? Fat chance.

He's only human, and deserves appreciation from users...

He's a developer... And probably has nothing against Google, unlike some... Many of us view Google as our benefactor, albeit an impersonal corporate one with corporate ways and strategies...

He has principles... Again, others don't...

Suggest you read the guide on GitHub linked from the OP here... It pretty much covers every basic contingency / usage... (And I don't want to translate foreign language notations...)

Frankly, I found HMA to be fairly intuitive and had no problem working out it's methods and usage... The guide this thread is about was written for those who need a bit more guidance however...

What's more, it's a prime example of that special breed of user making a dev solution more accessible to fellow modders!

😀 Goose.