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[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] Aqrab:
is the back cover feel like the touch pro back cover ?

can you post some pictures ?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] theintelligent:
Sure i will post the pictures of the original HTC backcover, the extended HTC backcover and the extended Mugen backcover.

But you have to wait a little
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] Mandragore:
Great and thanks for your conclusions!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] iRiKi:
thx for your review, glad it doesn't mess up with gps! :D now we're all waiting for the pics :)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] theintelligent:
I have zipped and attached the image. This image shows the width for all the three battery covers.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] testerics:
Wow! :eek: 3 time bigger than original!!! Where do I keep the monster?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] Aqrab:
in your pocket XD
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] rmarshll:
I have the Mugen 3000mAh and it works Great so far.. Ill post some pictures once its finished charging up. tried the GPS.. and its still locking consistantly to 9-11 like it was with the original OEM 1350mAh Batt.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] MrLAG:
When you need GPS for soem time and want to use the phoen other ways, but can't charge the battery, you can live with it ;). Too bad 3000 mAh battery not for GSM phones :(.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] Mandragore:
Cheers! Based on this I'd say the Mugen makes the Diamond about 2.2 times bigger. Could you measure the total height in mm?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] Mandragore:
What do you mean? According to the information on http://www.mugenpowerbatteries.info this battery is designed for use with the HTC Touch Diamond P3700 (HTC Diamond 100). And AFAIK this is a GSM device. Well, mine is :)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] Mandragore:
Thanks guys! Good thing you can all confirm GPS is locking as well as it did.

Maybe you know about the GPS lag and accuracy issue. Did any of you experience this with the original? If so, any noticable increase or decrease with the Mugen?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] Aqrab:
i have a GPS lag with original battery about 3 sec

with mugen the same thing about 3 sec no different.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] testerics:
You are right, the next one for my HTC Diamond will be the car battery with a little converter... :rolleyes: I can live with that!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] MrLAG:
Looked to worng battery :D.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] Mandragore:
Cheers, I'm convinced!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] mastabog:
I wanted to say that I just received the 3000mah from mobilefun.co.uk and that:

- it is a genuine MugenPower battery.

- the GPS works just as before -- I have gotten fix in less than 15 secs inside the house, top floor, and less than 8 sec outside. I'm happy I don't need to apply any aluminum foil trick.

- the back cover is *not* of poor quality as I think it was said earlier in here (apologies if it wasn't) but it looks like it is a tad smaller in length, negligible though and i don't care much of a fraction of a mm mismatch ... it actually locks in much better than my official HTC 1340mAh cover which comes off too easily.

- it was considerably less than on the official MP website (and if you are smart enough to google for mobilefun vouchers you'd even get a 5 quid discount, 56.2 GBP shipping included) and it took less than 48 hours to get it, ordered sunday night, got it tuesday (today) morning ... hats off to mobilefun

I got this because I do long cycling sessions, on- and offroad, and I like to have the Diamond running all the time things like TrackMe, Gps Cycle Computer or Google Maps. I'll probably get another one for journeys involving camping or multiple day hiking/cycling.

I'm charging it now for 12h like they say on the package but up until now, well done MugenPower!

If you guys want me to run any specific tests or want more pictures then let me know.

Cheers
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] vale|46:
Good detailed review.

It would be great if you can post some actual pictures.

Thanks.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] vale|46:
mastabog,

By the way, does the Mugen cover come with a camera lens shield like the one from HTC?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] Karbo81:
mastabog im wondering how many days u can do with your new battery (3000mAh)???

I have a stock one (900 mAh) and i can do day and a half with my usage which is not much.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] bl801127:
HTC Touch Brick
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] mastabog:
Haha! Absolutely right!. But all those milliamps will surely come in handy during my hiking/cycling escapades.

Yeah. I though I could post some good quality and comprehensive set of pictures. See below (they are thumbnails so make sure you click them to get the full version).

In the last shots, I aligned the "three" diamonds and used the same camera position (you can see the pencil marks on the wooden desk) so you can have a good idea of what it will look like. I measured all items with a good quality vernier and mentioned the actual dimensions in the last two pictures. They are as follows:

- Phone with original 900mAh battery (battery only): 11.85 mm (5.4 mm)

- Phone with HTC original extended 1340mAh battery (battery only): 14.40 mm (7.7 mm)

- Phone with MugenPower 3000mAh battery (battery only): 22.3 mm (16.5 mm)

I didn't have a scale or i would have also mentioned the weight of each item. I have big hands and actually like the feel of the sturdy brick diamond with this 3000 mAh (i might even use it on a regular basis during the week) but seriously, it's not too much heavier. Do expect it to be heavy though compared to the 900mAh. I'll get my hands on a scale soon and post an update.

No, the lens cover does not have a transparent shield -- see it in one of the pictures below. However, like it was said in here, the inset of the cover is so deep that I doubt you will ever poke the lens by accident. The Diamond does have a transparent lens cover glued over the actual lens though, which is quite tough. I wouldn't worry about this aspect.

The 900mAh is a joke. I've only got the 3000mAh battery out of charging this morning so I'll post some impressions about battery life in normal conditions soon. I expect more than 4-5 days. Note that I usually do moderate calling (about 30 minutes a day), occasional internet browsing using either EDGE/UMTS/HSDPA (maybe 30-60 minutes a week). Wifi will be minimal. I do play a lot with the phone though, running all sort of apps and will have the GPS and the Cycling Computer app running almost daily for 30-60 minutes (I cycle quite a long distance to and from the lab and I like keeping track of my performance).

If you guys want me to run some specific benchmark tests then let me know. I'll be able to let you know the battery life when constantly using the GPS and tracking apps after this weekend.

Cheers
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] vale|46:
Wow, mastabog, that's a lot of great pictures!

I think the 3000 mAh is too thick for me, maybe their 2000 mAh will be closer to the HTC 1340 mAh. I got the 1340 mAh recently and so far it can last me a good full day to more than a day, I just have to charge it when I go to sleep, unlike before with the 900 mAh I had to charge it a second time during the day. Maybe I will consider the 2000 mAh later.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] Substance001:
lol, that mungen is massive

needs to get a back pack to carry that sucker

for me..thats just waaaaaay to big
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] mastabog:
So far I had about 32h idle (no turning off at night), about 60 mins total voice calls, about 20 mins HSDPA browsing/email/rss, about 90 mins of non-stop GPS with GPS Cycle Computer app running with the screen always on (albeit, most of the time at 50% but still) and more than 60 mins fiddling with all kind of apps (e.g. games, google maps etc) ... the battery is down at 72%. That's about 36 hours since I got it off the craddle. So far, I'm impressed.

I'm running Shaks 3.20 ROM (2.03) with 1.09.25.23 radio and 1.40.Olinex HardSPL ... i'll try more radios and run some battery benchmarks some other time.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] Mandragore:
Thank you very much for the pictures and your feedback!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] val3nteen:
By far the best feedback on this battery! :D

Great Job!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] sprintnerd:
I have this battery and love it, it is bigger but if you don't want to be hooked to a power cord then this is it. Gps has been no trouble at all, Battery lasts about 3-4 days with average use. Hope this helps. My apologize please refer to Mastabog He has done a outstanding write up,and 100% on the mark.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] iRiKi:
I will need it for my future work, will buy it soon :)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] mastabog:
Just a final feedback on this battery. I finally got around to do a longer bike trip this weekend, around 70 Km offroad, rural.

- I left with the battery at 80% (from an earlier point than the starting point on the trace above, deleted the trace part to my house ~4km)

- I had GPS Cycle Computer running 100% of the time

- Google Maps running along it about 80% of the time

- The screen was on and dimmed about 60% of the time (had a bike PDA holder)

- Screen on at full brightness plus internet through GPRS plus the afferent fiddling with Google Maps and other apps - all about 1h

- Battery was about 8-10% when I got home

(Rom was Shaks v3.20, radio 1.09.25.23)

With this battery at 100% I bet you can do a lot more. I'm very glad I bought this product, really. I might actually get another one for those 2 day trips. Congrats MugenPower!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] sucro:
masta tnx very much on your explanation

big greetz
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] D8LOM:
I wish I was glad with my extended battery!:rolleyes:
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] youngpirate:
Hello Mastabog,

thanks for your good report, i am convinced ;-)

What kind of mounting do you use for your bike to attach your diamond in different sizes (900 & 3000mAh) ? I thought about: http://www.krusell.se/product/1109

I think i would need different soft-cases from krusell and this solution would only be for good weather, but it is quite cheap and flexible. Do you use different solutions for hiking / jogging?

Can you recommend solutions that even work when it is raining or you can use on a motorcycle?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] mastabog:
First off, I tried a multitude of things and I am still looking for a good bike holder .. and I mean a serious one. The Krusell sports/bike kit looks nice but AFAIK it only attaches to a Krusell case and I don't know of any Krusell case that fits the Diamond with the 3000 mAh and that does not cover its display. Anyone knows of a compatible Krusell one that can fit the width and length of a diamond but a 2.5 cm height? It doesn't have to be a glove fit.

Until now I used el-cheapo chinese manufactured holders for when it's not raining and when i'm not doing any offroad (you can find tons of those on ebay) and a Boxit water- and shock-proof case for when its raining, offroad or when i'm kayaking (the thing floats too!). Note that when you use the 3000 mAh battery, the phone gets much thicker and much harder to keep in place on bike holders that strap it in sideways.

1. Stuff like this: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170311196522 ... this is the 1st one i got. DO NOT use it for offroad with the 3000 mAh battery or if you think you may runover a bump or hole at high speed. Last weekend I went over a small bump at ~50 Km/h and I watched my Diamond fly off it and onto the street. I can't tell you the sorrow ... i was SO lucky there were no cars at that second (it is usually a busy street). The thing works well during city cycling. I believe using the normal 900 mAh will make it

3. The boxit 5.1 (5.0 is the same but with more goodies) for serious stuff. Note that you will have to program the diamond to power on with any hardware key if you want to interact with it or else you can't, it has a hard plastic cap which covers the power button. Brilliant case otherwise. Also note that if you use the 3000 mAh battery and you wish to see the whole screen, you'll have to give it a strong push to get as much of the diamond inside as possible ... not really a problem though.

For hiking I don't use a case, I just make sure the diamond is in a pocket all by itself so that it doesn't get scratched. My experience shows that GPS reception is great when it's in a normal side pocket of a jacket or even trousers.

Finally ... I'm still looking for a better bike holder that can hold the diamond with the 3000 mAh in place no matter what and does not enclose it so that I can interact with it. I'll probably try that Krusell too, thanks.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] youngpirate:
Thx for your quick answer. I just got the problem that i have a Diamond from O2 - so with a different cover. I wrote mugen and i`m now awaiting their answer.

Boxit looks interesting. By searching the web for motorcycle mounts i found this one: http://www.ram-mount.com/EmptyPages/AQUABOXES/AQ3MAIN/tabid/1540/Default.aspx

After calling a near dealer i think this the right solution for me. It is seems to be very flexible (and on the first look a bit complicated) and approved for tight usage. I`ll calculate the things i need and will see. If i order this i`m going to open a thread with a short review.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] mastabog:
I knew of the the aqua box from RAM Mounts but I thought it was a rigid case ... am I wrong?

If you do get it, please post here as well ... after all, the aqua box small is a large case which fits the diamond with the 300 mAh :)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] nhathoa:
Have just bought 2400mAh battery, but the GPS not work.

Someone said that: find out an Aluminium stick, then put it beside the camera lenz, and it will work. It's right with me.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] mastabog:
reinforced bike holder

a follow-up to my post above about the bike holder ... here is what I did to the el-cheapo bike holder from ebay, first one i linked: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170311196522

basically, just drill 4 holes on the bottom part so that you can strap some hard-wire to keep the diamond in place ... it also gets out easily: push the small button on the stand for the arms to open, get the top strap off the diamond by pushing it upwards then slide the diamond out by pushing it upwards as well (reverse for getting it back in).

With this I can secure the diamond with any battery, regardless of its height. I won't see my diamond fly onto the street at 50 Km/h with this one (i still feel pain when I think back about that incident)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] dereknas:
Where did you get it? Can you post some pics with the cover on?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] col laughton:
Did anyone find a good belt pouch to fit the Mugen 3000, I have the MDA Compact IV version Mugen with a smoother back plate. I have ordered a pouch for the Touch Pro since the dimensions are similar. WIll let you know if it fits !!

. . No problem with GPS on the Mugen 3000
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] bheremans:
Bike holder

http://cgi.benl.ebay.be/Fahrrad-Motorrad-Halterung-m-schale-HTC-Tch-Diamond-pro_W0QQitemZ170347397972QQcmdZViewItemQQptZFahrrad_Zubeh%C3%B6r?hash=item27a97f0354&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A1399|240%3A1318|301%3A0|293%3A2|294%3A50

I have one like this but for mu htv trinity, works good, but not waterproof..

I'm using it with a 12v to 5v usb adapter
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] torres.sis:
Lens Cover

I saw in this forum that the 3000mah does not have the plastic cover for the camera, but and about the 2000mah does it has this cover?

many thanks.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] Wolfenstein:
Hi Mastabog,

thanks for that great review on the 3000mh battery, and the bike holder topic!

i am biking a lot too (will be at lago di garda in a few weeks), and with the smartrunner logging software the only problem i had was battery life.

with the improved battery, i can even log day long trips around the mountains.

So much more fun when you can exactly see where you went the wrong way:D
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] bandy8899:
Go to see the Yoobao brand products at eBay,they have wonderful extended battery for HTC/Nokia http://stores.shop.ebay.com/Yoobao-Smartphone-Products
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] Topfar:
A useless spam post, they don't stock any Diamond batteries.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] luzok:
they do.

they have 1800mah and 1350mah (same size as the official bp-e270 but much cheaper).
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] kosmodisk:
i really don´t understand why aren´t they able to do better battery of same size of original... - i´have seen my friend´s sony ericsson, and it has battery that is smaller than diamond´s original and have 1500mah capacity! :mad:
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] Topfar:
Can you help me find them? I have searched through the link provided and can't see any Diamond batteries.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] Aqrab:
NO it doesnt have
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] St3ve:
Thanks Mastabog. Great reviews of the batteries. Are you still happy with the 3000mAh one? What is the charge time empty to full?

I'm running TomTom Navigator and planning a Bike(Motor) trip down to the Italian Lakes, so I'm considering the big one to hopefully give me 6-7 hours of continuous usage.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] mastabog:
Yes, I'm very happy with it. Charge is pretty quick ... takes a few hours on my laptop's USB. The dedicated charger should make it in a couple of hours or so. I'll have to check for an exact figure.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] dhitz:
I want this 3000 mAh battery badly.. :(

How can I buy this item? I live in Indonesia.

anyone can help me? please.. :)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] bluenote73:
Hey mastabog

Great review, thanks for the info.

Just wondering if you have managed to solve the suspend-GPS-off issue?

If you are heavy user of tomtom you must know what I am talking about right?

The kludge I use sometimes is to use deltalock or mort or something similar to do a "screen off" but not suspend. But I'd really rather just use the power button ....

thanks for any pointers
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] mastabog:
I don't use tomtom all so i can't say i know what you're talking about. If you are saying that you lose the gps lock when it goes into standby or when you press the power button then that seems application specific. Some apps can keep the gps on even when the screen goes off (from standby timer or power button). Some tomtom user forums may be more helpful.

Cheers
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] Karbo81:
I can't make a final decision, which one to pick 2000 or 3000???

How many days, average use can 2000 last?!

What do u guys recommend?!

If i get a 3000 does any of the silicon cases for TOUCH PRO fits on a DIAMOND with 3000mah battery?!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] Karbo81:
^Any one???
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] meccax5:
i have the 3000, never use it anymore. It is way too thick.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] mastabog:
You need to realize that the 3000 mAh battery is not really for day-to-day use. As I and other people have said in this thread, it's mostly meant for long(er) journeys where you use your Diamond as a gps/tracking/computing/etc device. I still use my 3000 mah battery on occasions like that. That's not to say you can't use it on a daily basis though :)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] Karbo81:
Mastabog im kind of loosing u, not following ur words?!!

I want a battery so i can use my phone normally during the day. Are u telling me that 3000mah is not for a normal usage as a every day phone battery, because its way too tick/big?!!!

Correct me if im wrong?!

ps Im a network admin and on-site support, which means i will need a phone that last long?!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] mastabog:
Then you'll have to decide. If you want it to last very long and don't care how big/thick then phone is then go for the 3000 mah Mugen battery. You should take a look at the detailed pictures I posted with 3 Diamond batteries, couple pages pack in this thread and make a decision yourself.

p.s. I don't have the 2000 mah battery so I can't comment ... i did report battery performance figures some posts back iirc
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] Karbo81:
Thanks a lot Mastabog. I did, looked at ur pictures a few pages back, and i though that u have both 2000 & 3000 mah batteries. My bad.

Well i think, i will go with 3000mah!!!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] mastabog:
The mid-sized battery in my picture is the official HTC 1350 mAh battery. The 2000 mAh is larger ... by quite a bit :)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] Gastro Man:
Ok people. I went ahead and bought the mugen 3000 mah battery. Reason I bought it is because I use my phone to play a LOT of video and audio. The 1380 mah battery that came with the phone was dying out before I could even get off work. I made the mistake of buying a cheap knock off 2850 mah battery and back case from china via EBay. The battery only worked as long as the original 1380 mah that came with the phone. I think it is a 1380 mah battery put inside a thicker case. The cool thing was that they figured out how to make a back case that looks better than the MONSTER case the comes with the mugen. The chinese back case only has a bulge at the point where the battery is. The rest of it is as flat as the original case that came with the phone. It doesn't look nearly as bad as the mugen back case. Does anyone know of a back case for the mugen battery that isn't so huge and horrendous looking? That back case makes the phone look like a huge brick, but the battery life is a whole new deal. Just to see how powerful it is, I played the entire "The Matrix Reloaded" movie without shutting the phone off. When I started the movie, the power was at 100%. When the movie was over, the power was at 87%. That was TWO AND A HALF HOURS of playing a movie on the phone. If that were the 1380 mah battery that came with the phone, the battery would have died altogether about 20 minutes after the movie was over. The battery does what it says, but the back case makes the phone look like CRAP. If anyone knows of a back case out there that makes this phone look less like a slab of concrete, ANY info would be GREATLY appreciated!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] mastabog:
I'm not aware of any compatible back covers for the Mugen 3000 mAh simply because I actually prefer the back cover type that does not have a bulge (in fact, I hate those things) ... i use my phone on a gps holder on my bike and the flat back, even though bulky, provides stability ... it also makes it easier to use the phone with the stylus while it sits on a table. But, to each his own :)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] oppo369:
cost so much

cost so much
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] Karbo81:
Waiting on my 3000mah battery!!! :D

What do u guys recommend, how long should i charge it for the first time?!