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[Touch Pro, Fuze General] kotsie:
I don't know if this is the right thread, I hope it is.

For all the rookies like myself.

I was very disappointed with my phone’s performance at first. Tried advanced config, registry tweaks etc, it helped a little, but still iPhone guys thought I was an idiot :)

I flashed the new official HTC ROM, and it works great. With a little help from ".Net Configuration", "Advanced Config", "Diamond TF3D Config" and "Diamond tweak" (thanks xda-developers community). TouchFlo works smooth, video performance (videos are encoded specially for PPC) is pretty good. GPS works great. Word mobile loads incomparably faster (not that I use it). If non-official ROMs are even better, then I hope I get enough time and courage someday to flash that.

I don't know if performance should be even better (all that chip talk), or should it be better in 3d only, which I don't use, but overall, I feel pretty happy.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thedudelasse:
Touch Pro Different Specs? What's the deal?

Htc lists the Touch pro to have 512mb rom and 288mb ram.

There seems to be versions of the touch pro with 256mb rom 192mb rom.

For example a few versions in europe and the verizon version in the states have a lesser amount of ram.

And it seems that the 256/192 version is laggier and slower. Could it be that the performance issues effecting the touch pro are related to these lesser memory models? Has anyone had a chance to compare the two types of models?

They seem to be selling the two different models for the same price.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] NLS:
Yikes... I read about those "limited" models, but never actually seen anybody talking about having one.

Good that all Europe (and in fact all the World except US) has the real TP with 512/288.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thedudelasse:
Actually there are memory limited models here in Europe as well.

I accidentally almost ordered one here in Finland.

The models looks exactly the same and differ only in the memory spec.

I'm a bit baffled to why they do not specify these phones as separate models.

Because the 192mb ram model is basically crippled when having more than a few applications open.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] NLS:
Actually Microsoft cripples our devices anyway. It's called "32 processes limit".

Anyway...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] NuShrike:
That's not MS's fault when 32 had been plenty. They even made an effort to have a Today screen API that didn't load up the process limit either while you added all the third-party plugins you liked.

It's the ODMs loading up the extra apps on the side and not hiding them under services. Look at the process list and count how many are MS's and which are HTC's or such.

IMO, it's still not really an issue currently unless you load up with all the long-running extra apps that hack developers publish that aren't aware of this limit.

It'll be moot with WM7.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] NLS:
ie. in about 18 months (the earliest)

In the meantime...

FIRST APPLICATION MODIFIED TO WORK AS A SERVICE SUCCESS STORY!!!

(it is even just a click in the program options if you want to switch it back to being a process)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] NuShrike:
Hey, how about some credit for LevelSight and Lumos for converting to services much earlier? :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] NLS:
Where?

Links welcome in main thread.

I don't use those apps so I wouldn't know.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] WerKKill:
I'm confused now, my TP's WM settings list 307,98 total storage memory and 200,99 total program memory. Do I have a crippled version of the phone?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] NLS:
No looks fine.

The rest are used by OS and HTC customizations.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] goldenu:
G1 vs TP

I have the G1 and used to have a Kaiser: the very first thing I noticed was the vastly smoother scrolling. I ran the web page scrolling test from earlier and no amount of scrolling at any speed can generate the grey/white blocks that were shown for the TP (and frequently present on my Kaiser). Youtube vids are near-perfect on this device as well.

NOW...After all that, I'm selling the G1. The apps are few and crude, the ability to operate from the device if you don't sell your soul to Google is near nonexistent, and the only answer you get from anyone when you complain about any of this is "well, it's linux, write your own apps." No. I bought a phone to use as a tool, not to become a programmer. A replacement Kaiser will arrive Thursday, but I've a line on a Fuze locally and am seriously considering it. Will likely buy both and get rid of the one I'm less pleased with. Look at it this way: android is already ported in semi-working fashion to the Kaiser, and certainly will be to the TP...once the above problems are resolved, you can just boot Android and have the same drivers...until then, you can do REAL WORK (tm) with WinMo and know the future is set for the TP wich is really just a G1 without a capacitive screen (but with higher resolution and more ram).
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] savageslave:
Drivers?

Hi, has any one used the new ROM from HTC? does it have 2D and 3D drivers? is the graphics issues addressed? If so can you write your experiences and maybe a bench result or 2, and maybe if possible a post of the new drivers..

Thanks..:)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] NLS:
Why aren't you going to update ANYWAY?

(why wouldn't you)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] krzysiuxy:
What rom r u using on your serra?

I am having no problems playing 700MB divx files on mine. Also recently played a bit with THPS2 and got it running on highest detail in hardware mode, and it runs smooth :)

At the moment i have PROven rom by qsqa on my serra.

I think all the lates rom's have the lates video drivers already cooked in.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Rexton270:
Hi,

I did update last night. Is an huge leap as my previous version was 1.05..... and now is 5.05.... The device is noticeable faster now- up around 30%.Radio was updated as well. there's 2 more small .exe files for WAP(?!?) improvement and call hangs fix.

Anyway, the thing what I noticed is that after upgrade can't change the ringtone and battery life dropped about 40% !!! Otherwise everything seems OK (using win XP pro).

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HTC Touch Pro (7272) generic ROM

HTC Touch ELFin BIG-ASS ROM (wm6,but great battery life-4 days)

O2 Xda Exec generic UNI ROM
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] NuShrike:
In my signature. You can google for Lumos too.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] savageslave:
Hot Dang

Thank You, I went and got the PROven by qsqa to, version 2.4. All i can say is WOW, what a difference, and the look is right up my street. the Benchmark:

Average Speed 202.07%

Video Frames 5160

Audio Samples 9140038

Amount of Data 21335 KB

Bench Time 1:42.140

Bench. Frame rate 50.52

Bench. Sample rate 89485

Bench. Data Rate 1.7Mbit/s

Original Time 3:26.399

Original Frame Rate 25.00

Original Sample Rate 846kbits/s

And it looks great... Thanks krzysiuxy, I love it... Will still be here, watching all progress, but I advise all who haven't updated, to take the plunge, but if you want to be sure, go PROven.

Thanks qsqa

PS. this thing set up so easy, i was actually dissapointed that I had no work, lol

:p
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] NLS:
can someone tell for us that doesn't want the full ROM, what tweaks are needed to have this result?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Mikedi:
Savage.. those are impressive numbers. What resolution is the video file you are running?

Anf if anyone knows how to tweak your device without downloading the full ROM it would be much appreciated.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] savageslave:
Hi,

My older films are all in 320 x 240, newer ones are in 640 x 480, my last bench got me 219.13% on 640 x 480. will post more benchmarks as I finish tuneing and playing with it.

THE GPS WORKS!! yes the GPS works like a dream, I am at work in a server room and with in a minute i have a lock on 9 sats, yep 9 and with all the testing and playing bits that come with it, i'm doing silly things like "Track my run" every chance I get. :p (I'm also showing off my Xda to any one silly enough to stop within 5 yards of me ;) )

My router at home blew up, so no broadband for a few days, but as soon as I get it sorted, then I am donating... well worth it.

Now looking for that same kind of magic for the Diamond, (The Mrs is Jealous..:D )
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Mikedi:
Hey, I am jealous too ;)

220% on 640x480 :eek:

I am using the latest official rom and the best i can get from Coreplayer 1.30 is about 85% on a 640x480 video..

What rendering method have you set your CorePlayer too? I have set to qTV, which is the only acceptable renderer for mee.. but I am really curious if the Direct Draw in the PROven ROM are also improved, so the phone can also be used to play some "golden oldies" emulator games :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] nuke1:
Zomg! Wow! :D

Share the secret, please...:p
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] NLS:
*** ok we need this info! ***
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Agent Blair:
I've been reading into this issue for a while now, right after I realized my TP couldn't run a 3d PS1 game very fast on FPSEce! :rolleyes: All I have is the stock AT&T ROM without the AT&T extras and the updated ATI driver. Now I'm a bit interested in a ROM that will fix the issue. Nope, telling myself "it's just a cell phone, it's just a cell phone and not a 3d console" doesn't work!

I was also reading some stuff on the O2 XDA Flame and they have done somewhat of a fix with their phone's performance issues after starting with a 78% benchmark result on CorePlayer 1.1.3 (saw this on one of their class-action lawsuit site), to being able to do this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHiD4SlYooQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkb9bOgDtVw

But it's a completely different phone with a different CPU and such, but similar processing power and same resolution. But still, from 78%? Unless I'm looking at the numbers incorrectly or making a terrible comparison, then by all means correct me. I do see some good progress here, so my personal thanks to everyone who is addressing the issues and trying to improve our shiny devices, and helping HTC's image, sort of.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] andrest:
As many have ask, it would be nice if you tel us what you did. I use the same rom now but i dont come even close to that. WHAT IS THE MAGIC :D
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] savageslave:
Sorry,

Sorry for not replying for a bit, internet at home was dead, and i have been playing with PROven 3.1. My earlier results were obtained from just flashing the PROven rom ver 2.4, and using the software provided with that rom, I had done no other tweeks except to set up TCPMP to play full screen at start. TCPMP is using Direct Draw to render, but as I am using a different rom at the moment and have noticed a drop in my profermance, but this is a work in progress and i expect it to get better. I may flash back to the 2.4 version and try to see if there is any special settings, if so I will write them here. :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] swanga:
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[Touch Pro, Fuze General] pcall2007:
Hello,

I have an unbranded HTC Touch Pro. Where can I check if it's running hardware accelerated Direct3D/Open GL? What is the name of the driver that allows for hardware accelerated 3D?

Also has HTC released a new rom? Some of the reports here seem to indicate that there is some kind of a new rom out there which fixes a lot of the 2D issues. Is that the case? If so is it an official release or a hacked rom?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] iRiKi:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=464497

libgles_CM.dll, which comes already with your phone.

The new driver allowing OpenGLES|CL is, obviously named, libgles_CL.dll

That I can't answer, i don't own a TP ;)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] bast525:
Does anyone know if the PROven ROM can be flashed to a CDMA device? I'm assuming not. If not, does anyone know if I were to find a CDMA ROM with the same build OS, would that have the same drivers and thus the same improvements to video performance?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] gobmonster:
Well, after converting to a winmo 6.5 rom (and 21500 at that), most of my performance whoes have been healed, but i must also state that video performance has not taken any turn for the better. The matrix video still is as sluggish as i can remember while using the best 6.1 rom i could find, but over all, 6.5 is providing a much smoother experience for me.

EDIT* I must also state that i keep the drivers running by periodically launching video playback. I mean, for some reason, if a video is played on any media player, everything else seems to perform smoothly, and it stays like this for a while, but i still cant grasp why it seems to suddenly drop in performance until i launch another media file
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] User X:
WOW! I cant't beleive what I read here. Touch pro is slow? People not happy? I mean I was gonna upgrade my Kaiser to Touch Pro, but after reading this I'm asking myself should I go for something else? Is there such a device out there that people would be generally happy with? Or maybe most of the issues can be fixed by upgrading to a custom ROM? Your advice will be appreciated guys ;)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Gav_:
Yeah, it is slow out the box with the stock ROM. I've had mine over 6 months now and I remember being shocked at the performance. Upgrading it to custom roms like the PROven 2.4 has made it a very nice phone with good speed and battery performance (the latest PROven 3.2 is WM6.5 based, battery hog and slow at changing screen orientation).

But, I had the Kaiser for 2 years before and I had the TF3D interface towards the end (available in ROMS around here). It ran waaaay quicker than my TP even now. The TF3D interface ran really smooth - e.g. moving you finger in the selection bar it kept up no matter how fast you moved, a joy to use. On the TP its now quite fast enough to use, but if you go fast with your finger you can see the selection icon a good 1cm behind (on a 6cm wide screen!); still very useable but shows the phones poor screen refresh & finger sample rate.

IMHO if you're happy with your Kaiser keep it. If you have £230 to burn (eBay price), would like the hi-res screen, (the screen is a pleasure to look at), a 5 line keyboard, a nice case (lets face it the Kaiser is a pig with lipstick on), then go for it. Otherwise, there is the Diamond 2 or Touch HD if you have even more money to burn.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Gav_:
Oh, should also mention that there is SPB mobile shell which I haven't seen in person but there is a youtube vid. These people seem to know something everyone else doesn't as their replacement shell actually looks dead smooth and quick, $29.99:-

SPB Mobile Shell Demo on youtube
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] User X:
Thanks for your reply. Will think bout it. Not gonna buy from ebay though - was gonna get it on contract as I was told I can upgrade.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Rexton270:
well i'm using it since got my TP and really good.but battery drain quicker.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mosskit:
Hi guys!

I've been useing my TP for about 4 month so far and have just started to expect some more from this high tec smartphone. What I've noticed is the poor performance in oposite to some older htc products, really anoying while gaming or movie watching. I've heard about Samsung omnia 3D drivers which can solve the problems described above. Does it gonna work on TP without any problems?

Maybe you can reveal some tips how to improve the smoothnes and performance in another way. I've been useing the PROven Rom 2.3 by qsqa.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] nhshah7:
hi mosskit,

try searching for "Diamond Ati d3d driver" in the diamond forum. they work pretty well from what i've heard. i have it installed but haven't had a chance to test it out yet
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mosskit:
Got it on my PC's hdd but don't wanna install anything before asking You guys- more experienced users. Should I use both drivers (omnia, d3d ati) ?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] babijoee:
go install it.. theres a whole topic about increasing graphic performance on many devices.

Thanks awhole bunch to NeoS2007 :D

The omnia driver is software accelerated but does give impressive results.

The diamond ati driver is hardware accelecerated.

There is something also called OpenVG which is promising and giving our devices greater graphic performance

Check here - http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=442712
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] pcall2007:
So should I upgrade my stock rom to PROven 2.4? Where can I get PROven 2.4?

Are there any negative effects of this upgrade?

Edit: Also where can I get the *official* HTC rom and where can I see my current ROM version? I haven't upgraded my rom since I got my touch pro.

2d performance is a bit choppy on Windows Media video playback.....but the game where you tilt your device to get the ball in the hole runs pretty smoothly. I haven't tried any 3d games.

Lastly how do I install the newer libgles_CL.dll driver on my HTC Touch Pro? Do I just place it in the windows folder on my touch pro, or is there additional work involved?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] babijoee:
why 2.4? heck 4.1 is out with the new 6.5 build :D and its fuggn awesome.

trust me out of box firmware sucks... heck after flashing to 4.1 the device is no sh#t 50 times better and faster than stock rom.

just read up on how to flash custom rom and then flash to any rom u want then go here - http://xdaforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=179892&d=1240603541 :D

hope this helps
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] apex excition:
Link to this page:

http://www.glbenchmark.com/compare.jsp?benchmark=glpro&showhide=true&D1=Nokia N95 8GB&D2=HTC P4600 Touch Pro&D3=SonyEricsson X1i XPERIA&D4=HTC T5353 Touch Diamond2

take a look buddies ... n95 really rocks ...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] pcall2007:
I heard 4.1 eats the batteries faster and doesn't perform as good. Is that not the case?

Also sorry for all the noob questions, but when I flash to a new rom....will my bookmarks on Oprea still be there? What about my apps? I have several apps I bought that required registration and I don't want to lose them.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] pcall2007:
Anyone? :confused:
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mosskit:
The 4.1 eats the batteries a little bit faster because it works on WM 6.5 which still has some bugs. In term of apps... unfortunately you will have to install and register it once again, but it doesn't mean they are not going to work.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] goldenu:
Interesting find: CDMA vs. GSM

I decided recently to give MetroPCS a shot...at the time I was using an AT&T Fuze on Tmobile. I received the Sprint Touch Pro that I bought, which was box stock, and then returned the Fuze to its original ROM to sell it. What I found is that the Touch Pro was slightly quicker in nearly every operation: not enough to really make a difference, just enough that I noticed.

The ROM's were both stock ROMs from the carrier, and of course the hardware is exactly the same: I'm assuming that AT&T just has a slower ROM?

Oh, and the Touch Pro gets quite a bit hotter in normal operation than the Fuze...this actually worries me a bit.

For the CDMA user that asked about ROMs: MightyROM 5 is the only one I've tried so far, but it rocks.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] rigelfrog:
Very good！:D
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mercutio98uk:
I'm currently using a HTC Touch Pro from T-mobile in the UK (about 2 months old). I've read already elsewhere that the stock software install is basically crap so came here looking for basics on how to get the current basic HTC release on and I read about a crapload of improvements other roms etc seem to have eek'd out of the phone.

Could I please have a few links (i'm not after a long post in reply but theres a lot of info on these boards so just a list of links would be perfect) on how to go about installing the current "best" ROM, the 3D drivers needed to have the thing running pretty well and if theres a way to sneak winmo 6.5 on this?

I'm generally a huge advocate of "use the search function" but with so many questions asked on these boards (and iterations from folks on topics you are well versed on) it's a long process sticking all the crumbs of info together. Cheers.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] nhshah7:
Did you check out the wiki? Haven't yet flashed an unlocked rom yet so I'm not sure which threads help, but the wiki is supposed to have plenty of info on this.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] gmanfuzing:
not sure if you checked but this is the thing you ought to read http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=448008
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] maxkww:
ANYONE CAN HELP? Chinese Word viewing

O my HTC touch pro is not reading the Message with chinese WORD, any ROM or solution?

(Stock ROM) 2 Jun 2009 I bough it. updated my rom with newes from HTC website also cannot read Chinese word...... :(
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] whyou:
You got me.What can we do?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] MyersTheShape:
lets keep it up ... so anything new on this topic?

is there any rom out with better graphic drivers? tried official htc ... same prob.

greetz
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] corneliusm:
It looks like we've given up... the MSM72xx chipset sucks. We have D3D/GL support- the hardware performance is holding this phone back.

I guess we'll have to wait for a Snapdragon or Tegra-powered HTC... :(
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] hkwildboy:
ha? why would it read chinese doc/text if it's not a Chinese ROM? Really strange question.

If you want to read Chinese using an English ROM, you need to install CE-Star or other similar extension systems.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Sina™:
i think the best solution is android.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] XeDoX:
So...I'm waiting for my Touch Pro to arrive after one week and I'm reading about the same problems with the 3D Acceralation :mad: I've got TyTN II and I used to have problems with the performance.Now I upgrade to Touch Pro and I will have problems again(maybe I'm lucky).Yesterday I was reading about some Ati D3D Drivers and I see they put them in the custom ROMs.Do they fix the problem with the performance(even partly) ?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] krogoth:
Partly is a good word... It's usefull in some 3d situations... check Diamond hologram with and without Ati d3d drivers.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] babijoee:
Luckily there is a team and a thread all about improving graphic performance on many msm72xxx devices :D

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=442712
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Satiriasis:
Hi, I would ask you guys what is the best for view videos(Divx, Xvid, Mpeg, Avi..) on Raphael. I now, there is many thread, where was it already said, but somewhere somebody say TCMP, somewhere Core Player and Windows Media Player. I´m using Energy ROM and Radio 1.14.25.35. Thanks
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] NuShrike:
Considering there's no software that uses D3D (except for the rare exception), might as well drink some apple juice to shrink to make it rain.

Btw, rebenching TCPMP, the null driver is a good test of how fast the decoder is and separates it from the video driver lag. On a certain video I have (using one of the Matrix trailers), Omnia is ~330% for a 640x480 100% scaled directdraw blit, whereas Touch Pro is only ~15x% while the Acer m900 is ~204%.

The Qualcomm 72xx is truly slow even against a similarly clocked S3C6410 that does not have special video instructions the XScale PXA in the Omnia has.