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[Touch Pro, Fuze General] kcchen:
Good luck! Do the HardSPL and get one of the page pool optimized ROMs. I use the ROMeOS 1.40 which is a dramatic performance improvement... Kevlar-Source has a repository of other ROMs with the page pool hex set to 0. Do a search in the Rapheal ROM development to find Kevlar's repository.

Good luck!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] dgduris:
Bloatware...I don't get all your complaints!

It's not like all that crap is hogging RAM. So what's the difference between whacking it and going through the steps to make everything work again - and just leaving it alone?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] burr:
I use my Fuze with a custom ROM. Faster than the Tilt or the 8125 I had before. I had the ATT ROM for 2 days until I just had too many issues. The customer ROM is much better. Still some minor issues but nothing major.

Still not sure if I like the design of the up/down/left/right. Half the time I press right, I hit the back button.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jasongw:
Think I'm gonna return my Fuze

I've been playing with it since the day before launch, haven't done any custom ROM's so it's all stock...but I don't like it. I mean it's sexy--I love the device itself--but AT&T's software eats it *bad*. At times it feels slower than my Wizard running 6.1, and it's way, way, WAY less stable. The thing is locking up constantly...it's just a pain in the ass.

So I guess that's it. Anyone else disappointed in the software load they've given or had stability problems with the device?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] EG6ick:
I had a lot of lag with it, but every since my friend flashed it and had all the AT&T stuff taken out, it's been running faster and its pretty stable.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jasongw:
I've been thinking of doing that as well, I am just a bit torn because I'm not sure the ROM development is really mature yet for this particular phone. Also I tend to think this one might be having hardware issues given how much it locks up. Maybe I'll just have them exchange it for another one.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] iceman4357:
I would return it for another one. I have had 2 and neither had any lockup issues at all. I have all of the bloatware still on there. I am about to unlock and flash a new rom anyway, but it might just be your phone specifically. I think this thing will have much more potential over the tilt or wizard. You will always be able to sell the Fuze for much more and get another tilt or whatever. Give it a fair shot and wait a few months for people to mess with it. Look at all the ROM chefs that jumped from the tilt to this phone. Dutty, Hang.Tau, both are extremely talented chefs. The phone came out a week ago for us, I think with time it will dominate. :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sdlopez83:
So what the hell are you doing at this forum??? Flash it already. Your complaint would hit my sensibilities if there was nothing you could do about it. You can however, take out the bloatware or flash natf's rom which does that for you.

No one wants to hear about your petty problems unless they are real problems. This is a development site. Go on att.cop and cry over there.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kerensky97:
Before you return it try NATF's ROM on it first; bookmark the HARD-SPL and ROM pages so you can revert if you decide to revert and return it.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=444784

It's not a customized ROM per say, it just removes all the AT&T BS that takes up some much precious memory. Not only do you get a phone that has more room on it, you don't have to worry about ATT's demo bloatware screwing with the system.

Between the ROM and the Diamond Tweak CAB the difference between the stock phone and an easily modified phone is night and day. You can follow up with some of the more indepth registry tweaks mentioned in various pages for a bit more speed, but with 30 minutes and some simple and safe changes you can really boost the phone quickly.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] coolguy949:
:eek: :confused:
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jasongw:
I guess it wouldn't be an internet forum without some hostile douche having to piss all over someone's legitimate concerns and the reasonable people who've been kind enough to reply like rational individuals. After all, who could possibly construe their phone constantly locking up as a "real" problem?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jasongw:
Thank you, I will try that. I may just go ahead and exchange this one for a new one at the AT&T store given that nobody else seems to be having the lockup problems, but then I'll certainly flash the replacement if it appears to be fairly stable.

And a big THANK YOU to everyone who had something constructive to say and offer. It's you and not the hostile douchebags that make XDA-Developers a great resource to visit and get help or advice from.

Respects,

Jason
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sdlopez83:
Right but next time before posting up useless rants that we all know can be fixed, try exploring the alternatives. No one cares what your gonna do with the phone. Get an iphone
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mrvanx:
@ sdlopez83: Thats a strike 1 for your pathetic rant at a member who hasnt done you any harm, if you have nothing constructive to say then DONT say anything.

People play nice ok?

Definatly try flashing a different ROM (even the stock HTC ROM perhaps) as generally shipped ROMs arent a good indication of the device itself.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] nuke1:
I know it's not happening here, but lol I hate it when people on the net threaten to sell their PPC and 'buy an iPhone'. Don't waste our time man, just buy it. Like. we. care.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Bruce Inman:
Why have to weed through all the garbage just to get to the good stuff?

Alot of the bloatware does take up available resourses that could be used by other programs. Its useless.

Not to mention the customizations you get with cooked ROMs.

These chefs on XDA spend far more time improving the ROMs performance, asthetics and functionality, than the companies that released them.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Foghorn:
I am new to the PDA world. If i flash my ROM can i restore it to the default with a hard reset?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Bruce Inman:
No, you have to reflash the original ROM. A Hard Reset only restores to the ROM you've flashed.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] roger1079:
just got a fuze and already hate the TouchFlo 3D

has anyone successfully gotten the 5 tab homeplug to work on the fuze? i did a search and came up with nothing. thanks....
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] californiarailroader:
How about you learning some manners and kindness, then coming back and playing with the adults.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Foghorn:
Ok, that makes sense. Is there a way to flash back to the original ROM? Can you d/l AT&T original ROM?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] rizaldi:
New Fuze: why is it seems slower than ancient pocketpc?

I used to have an Ipaq 3650 pocket pc with 200Mhz cpu and 32 MB ram and it seems to be a lot more responsive than my Fuze. I also had an HTC Typhoon and that seems to be more responsive also.

I espescially noticed this on simple things like opening the task manager, checking the battery level, etc.

Is this because WM 6.1 is cpu/mem intensive or is it the TF3D or the vga screen or all of them combined? I've already flashed a new rom from NATF and did all the tweaks to make it faster but still not to my satisfaction.

I'd think that with more than twice cpu speed and a whole lot more memory than my old pocket pc the fuze should at least be as responsive.

Any thoughts?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jeffla:
TF3D is a speed whore.

I turned it off on my diamond and just used HTC home. After doing that I was impressed with it's speed compared to my tilt. But to be honest, my tilt was never all that much faster than my 200mhz wizard. If it wasn't for the gps/camera, I would have kept the wizard over the tilt.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] dgduris:
Why don't you just kill the touch flo and take full advantage of all the winmob has to offer?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] rizaldi:
Thanks, I guess I'm not delusional :)

I wonder if this is also because of Windows mobile 6.1. My wife's has a newer laptop with vista and I have an older and supposedly slower laptop with windows xp. Guess which one feels more responsive :)

I really like my fuze but I am disappointed with the responsiveness. I'd probably try to remove TF3D next.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ZzFDKzZ:
I hated the Touchflo 3D that came with the Fuze kept going mad slow. Certain programs wouldn't load. Problem was fix when I downloaded a custom rom. Touchflo 3D is great.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ZzFDKzZ:
Make sure you install a custom rom. My Fuze was going slow too until I install a custom rom on it.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] nektoinphx:
I downloaded the Elite Rom, and it works OK, but I don't like the TouchFlo3d. I'm trying to give it a chance though.

I found a VGA version of the HTC Home Today plugin, but the HHCustomizer doesnt work for the VGA version, you have to have all new .png graphics files. Search for VGA Home, and install that. You'll probably have to remove the old tiny version first though.

I'm becoming less and less enthusiastic about my Fuze though. I can't stand the way the left and right D pad keys work. I played with a G1 yesterday, and its awesome, but I think I'd miss my winmo too much to switch.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] rizaldi:
I already did install a cooked rom from NATF, or is there other custom rom that is faster? This does make fuze more responsive than the original At&t rom but still can't compare to older pocket pc/WinMo devices.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] rizaldi:
I'm on the same boat. Flashed NATF rom that makes it faster but still not as responsive as I would like. Is it a lot better after you remove TF3D?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] F2a:
Guys check this out. When I first got my fuze touchflo 3d was slow and terrible. I changed themes and tweaked and everything and it still sucked. Eventually I crashed my phone and had to do a hard reset. After the hard reset touchflo3d is lightning fast. It's almost instant. I have no idea why or exactly how but try a hard reset and see what happens.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] F2a:
My fuze was slow as crap untill I crashed it and had to do a hard reset. Not touchflo 3d is super fast with practically no lag at all. I'm not really sure why or how but I was going to return it until now.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] rizaldi:
Before using the custom rom I did the hard reset to skip At&t bloat. It certainly made TF3D run faster. The custom rom made it even better since all At&t craps is totally removed from the rom.

I guess if you have not used a pocket pc or an old winmo smartphone before Fuze, than you'd probably feel satisfied with the speed.

Anyway, I'll try to remove TF3D tonight or tomorrow night to see if it makes a big difference.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] snobrdinrtiste:
did you guys check to see if you have any other programs running in the background? maybe its not tf3d but some other app you installed...

I did a hard reset oh my Fuze and followed the steps to not have the ATT "bloatware" installed, thus no AT&T stuff... my TF3D is really fast and responsive....
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] tchan012:
another positive vote for stock ATT ROM with no bloatware and the TF3D tweaks mentioned in this great forum.

My TF3d is lightning fast.

On another note, when I used the TF3D configurator to load a custom theme (the HTC touch pro black theme) - that slowed down my TF3D. So i went back to the default theme and it is blazingly fast again.

If you want the black theme without the slow down, there is a thread from a couple of days that talks about using a cab to replace the files, without using the TF3D configurator. The ATT TF3D theme has just grown on me and is so responsive :)

TC
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ZzFDKzZ:
I'm using Proven's rom and it works great.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=444653
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] icemokka:
3 little problems with HTC Touch Pro

Hi,

Very happy with my phone but still have 3 open issues ( using standard HTC Rom )

- Screen blanks out when calling. Tried every registry-change found on the internet but still blanks out. Also tried new settings in Advanced Config Tool. does anybody with the standard rom knows how to solve this?

- If i look into my list of received/missed/dialed numbers, the sorting is not ok.A recently missed call is somewhere in the list but not on top. Always need to browse and look for it. How can I get this list sorted on date?

- In the advanced power options you can specify that the device turns off ofter x minutes on battery. I always uncheck this and after a soft reset or when i ran out of battery, it's checked again. How can I save this setting permanently?

Regards,

Sven Peeters
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] surur:
Maybe this will help.

http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=1698

Surur
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ricrellim:
The screen turning off is a PITA. Do a search for a cab called "NO Sleep Raphael" this solved my problem.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] shafez:
For the received/missed/dialed numbers, Please check your Time and Date settings. (ie. AM/PM)

Specially if you use PIMBackup to restore the Call History this problem is likely to happen if your AM/PM is not right.

Best regards
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] villa_bryan:
Lets Complain!!!

All of us who've had problems with the GPS on our Fuze's, we should complain.

It's ridiculous for us to spend so much money and/or sign a long contract for a phone that doesn't even function correctly out of the box. We have to let them know!!!

There's power in numbers. On htc's website, if you go through support you can reach an email form. It's very easy. Try going to this link

http://www.htc.com/www/cs_mail.aspx

We can also complain to AT&T. Just call 611, and have a customer service rep either fill out your formal complaint, or guide you into doing one.

If we all complain together, there's no way they can ignore us!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] modem_man:
Fuze - Just need to vent!

Been using the Fuze for close to a week now.

A couple of things I need to vent out:

Why did AT&T (and others like Verizon) have to make changes to it?

Why can't they just leave it as it is as the Touch Pro?

I can't stand the fact that they had to change the keyboard to be different!

No tab and Ctl key.....come on!!!!!

Why didn't I buy a body skin for it?

Sigh, now there are a couple of scratches on it.

Should have bought a skin protector as soon as I knew I was getting it.

So for all of you who are planning on getting one, go get a skin first before buying the phone.

The Fuze is really easy to get scratched.

Overall, I love the TouchPro (not Fuze). Compared to the HTC Universal, it's soooo much faster and I don't have to deal with GPRS anymore. Not that the Fuze browsing is all that great, but I guess that's wot u have to expect from a small screen. Zooming and unzooming, I'm just not used to it (which is why the tab key would come in handy - so if I need to move to the next area I can tab instead of trying to touch the spot with my stylus of big fingers!!!). I would have bought a TouchPro if the 3G frequency was the same. But nooooo.......US had to be different. Sigh.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] clampi:
im sorry to say my dude but u shoulda gone with sprint :rolleyes:

they left the keyboard but they changed the nice glossy sides and back to a stupid lookin silver.. oo well.. i love my TP lol
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] AllTheWay:
Accepting all phones

Well in case you don't want your Fuze / TP / whatever. I will happily accept it.

I have seen so many threads about this already.

You don't like the phone, ok then. Nobody forced you to buy it. Take back if you don't like it. Problem solved.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] kingdmc:
You Fuze you lose

:( it's the phone that is the problem but the operating system.

Its like buying a Lamborghini with a Honda Civic motor (no offense to Honda owners). They have increased the hardware but only put a temporary patch on the software. From that i understand this temporary patch was done by HTC until Microsoft can release their Windows Mobile 6.5 or 7 or whatever they decide to call it.

I understand that they want to wait until Windows 7 is done so that they can released everything at once and it will be a perfect Microsoft world again. Until then we are forced to use software that is behind the times. Android was suppose to be the one to save us from the iPhone but after playing with it it is impressive but not quite at the level it needs to be. i guess only time will tell who will actually come out on top.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] modem_man:
It's not TouchPro that I'm griping about.....it's AT&T! If they've just left the phone as is with the right 3G frequency, you won't see me griping!

I guess when they start coming out with replacement keyboards, I'll go ahead and change it out on the Fuze. Probably add the front camera to it too (just like they did on the Tilt). Hopefully that can be done.

Sprint TouchPro - nah....CDMA. Prefer GSM. Travel to Asia once a while and can use the phone there. Not the sprint version. The verizon one.....slower processor and less memory, nuff said. Would have gone with the Asia/Europe TouchPro but the 3g frequency is different.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] whosy11:
Annoyance - Magnet makes stylus go in wrong

About 90% of the time when I insert the stylus back in to my Fuze, the magnet rotates the stylus around such that it won't go in all the way in. Just about every other PDA I've ever used has been designed so that the stylus lines up for correct insertion automatically.

This could have been mitigated by making the butt end of the stylus rounded instead of square. The stylus/case designer(s) at HTC should get a dope slap for this one.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lollonais:
If this is going to be the complaint thread, then at least enumerate all the complaints in the first post of this thread.

Mine are:

15 favorite max

Limited number of program squares

10 second key board light, put a light sensor at least

1-2 event reminder on MyToday or Home window

No Birthday/Anniversary reminder(would be nice)

Speaker is rather low and static-key at times

Windows Media should have a fade in fade out effect

Callerd ID lag(unknow caller), then ringing goes up and down(I have no effect for this)

Answer call with phone, while BT connected, BT does not work. It has to p/u with BT.

No flash preinstalled for streaming media players

Battery Life (but it will be fixed with my car charger)

Camera slow to capture picture. Slow zoom in and out.

I cant think of anymore, but other than that, I love the phone.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] JstarLuvsTina:
the only real issue i have is the battery issue.

i use my device so much thru out the day by the time i reach home from work..my battery is done.

and the case isssue..i think at&t should have thrown in a case for the amount of cash we all have dropped for it.

other than that..its working out just fine.

Late,

Jstar
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] P1Tater:
Same here. My only issue is the battery, which I think we will have a fix before too long.:D
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] nthdgreee:
Rear speaker seems to be sub-standard compared to my old 8525. The Fuze seems much quieter in terms of ring loudness (I have applied some tweaks to help with this) yet the speaker seems rather "tinny" and small in sound. More treble than bass I guess you could say.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] YellowGTO:
I agree the Fuze speaker is nothing compaired to the 8525. I have the 8525 with speaker tweaks and the whole room can listen without a prob. Not so much with the fuze. But other then that GREAT phone.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] scotchua:
I certainly hope so, it's the only thing i don't like so far too.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] tropmonky:
I have the Sprint version of the phone and don't see too much of any speed issues so far (only had the phone for 5 days or so). I do have a few gripes with the system just not responding right to things.

I wish the screen was bigger like the X1, I mean seriously, such a waste of a high res screen being sooooo small. I may return my phone and buy a unlocked phone to stay with Sprint and get a newer phone later.

Windows Mobile 6.5 may be what all of us are really wanting. Not these other Windows Mobile overlays to the standard windows 6.1 OS to try and make it more finger friendly.

Kyle
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lollonais:
I wonder if the speakers are compatible. Maybe a swap can fix the problem.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] nthdgreee:
The standard Windows Mobile Media Player intercepts all AVRCP controls from a bluetooth headset. By default you can only control and assign buttons in the Media Player application. Pocket Player 3.7 or Coreplayer no longer work with Bluetooth headset controls. You can still stream music from any of those other applications, however.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] BPB21:
Only a few reasonable gripes...

Modem_Man: I hear ya on the lack of a "tab" key on the keyboard! What the heck?

Anyway, I migrated over from PalmOS (no flames, please) so I knew I was in for a learning curve. My main complaint right now (aside from the totally FUBAR exchange server activesync - won't work with either of the exchange servers I have email on) is with tbe extreme difficulty with changing the default programs, especially with the TF3D email, messaging, music etc. tabs. I'm using Flexmail4 for email and messaging, but I don't know how to remap "email" on the TF3D tab to open it up by default. Same with TCPMP. Looks like Microsoft would have learned that lesson from those anti-trust lawsuits...

That being said, I've created and flashed numerous custom roms for my Treo650, and I'll learn how to do the same on the Fuze. But seriously, you shouldn't have to edit the registry, flash the rom, &/or edit the manilla files (yes, I've searched the forum before posting) just to remap your favorite email program to the UI. Just my opinion for what it's worth; after all, this is the complaints thread...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Proto732:
Don't get your lawyer on the phone just yet Touch Flow is a product of HTC ... not Microsoft
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] BPB21:
Correction...

No worries; I couldn't afford the legal fees anyway! But you've got to admit, MS or HTC, that seems somewhat of a glaring omission from the interface. Then again, so is the lack of a tab key in my opinion.

I must say, overall I've grown to like the device quite a bit and when I start to explore the custom roms (once I get a little more familiar with the standard features) I'm sure this won't be an issue.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Proto732:
You're mis-guided again. The original HTC keyboard for the Touch Pro had a tab key on it ;)

http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/04/the-htc-touch-pro/

AT&T is the one that opted to change the keyboard, not MS or HTC. I actually like the AT&T keyboard better (Windows Key, OK, punctuation keys across the top...)

Just use one of the arrow cursor keys in the lower right instead of tab.:rolleyes:

I can understand why TF is locked into the built in software of the OS rather than 3rd party. They would have to know how each piece of software stores its messages, and where they store them to be about to call the up within TF. I would assume most people use the built in MS Mail product. I am sync'd with my hosted exchange server, and have several other IMAP accounts linked as well.