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[Touch HD General] pjhollin:
I've had a WM 6.1 Treo 800w for 3 months and I've never experienced any delay like you guys are experiencing. So either Palm was able to tweak out the problem in 6.1 or HTC has accidentally introduced it in their ROMs or TF3.

(BTW, I'm not knocking HTC or the HD. I was pleased with the performance of my Wizard. And if the HD had NA 3G I'd be using one now. In fact, I may get one anyway after some used cheaper ones start showing up on eBay and live with Edge or figure out a way to BT a 3G phone to the HD for internet access.)
[Touch HD General] Maddi:
Hallo,

do you check the cpu-load of the HD?

I think, my HD has the same problem and I see in the (SKTools)Taskmanager, that "filesys.exe" needs 90-98% of the cpu.

I found this thread: http://http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=336061&highlight=filesys.exe

Now, I uninstalled S2U2 an I wait, what will happen.
[Touch HD General] jon-:
Another vanilla HD with the freezing problem in opera / texting. Very annoying. I didn't have this problem with a cooked 6.1 on my Vox.
[Touch HD General] kostas ntinos:
I think that the cause of all the above is the active sync auto start during normal operation. Try to disable it.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=349051&page=4

"INTRO:

1) no one WM's process start activesync at boot! not poutlook, not tmail not etc

2) no any event notifications settings stored in registry. it stored in \mxip_notify.vol file, and can be managed only with special tools like FdcSoft Task Manager

HOW to disable

part 1) remove all event notifications except one with "AppRunAfterRndisFnDetected" argument. To remove use tools MemMaid or FdcSoft Task Manager (Notifications tab).

part 2) disable acivesync's periodic attempts to sync by wireless. It also disable run activesync at system boot.

1. Open Activesync

2. Menu > Add Server Source

3. Add Server address [127.0.0.1] > Next

4. Fill in the user,pass,domain fields [again one letter will do] > Next

5. Un-check everything [optional] > Next

6. Really Close Activesync [optional but recommended]

7. Open Activesync again

8. Menu > Schedule

9. Choose Manually for both

10. Close Activesync

p.s. (wm6) if you don't complete part 2, will get

repllog /remote /h

notification event, which you never can kill. It will "
[Touch HD General] tboy2000:
If we do the above to disable activesync, can we still sync with outook when we want manually and after a sync does it still stay disabled until we next re sync etc?
[Touch HD General] jolas:
I did disable AS autostart from the first day I bought Touch HD, but it didn't stop the "freeze" problem.
[Touch HD General] jolas:
HTC responded that they are very sorry about the problem I'm facing, and because it needs more attentions and tests they suggest to contact the local help line.

The problem is that in Greece there is no support yet for this device because it is going to be officially released at Nov. 25.

They are very sorry about my problem but I'm very sorry too, about the technical support the htc.com (...do not...) offer:mad:
[Touch HD General] giodesi1965:
I uninstall CF3 and re-enabled CF2 by registry HKLM\software\microsoft\.NETCompactFramework: set to 1 dword 2.0.7045.00

No more freezing...
[Touch HD General] snowman81:
I had the same problem on my AT&T Tilt. Every now and then the phone would become unresponsive for a few seconds. Turned out the radio was the problem. Seems not all radios are compatible with all cell networks. The problem is not active sync or any other application....at least not in my case.

If your device was sold is a different country than where your are using it, then that radio was never tested on your carrier. Try a few different radios until you find one that doesn't cause the semi-lockups.
[Touch HD General] Boinng:
It's just another of the various faults carried over from HTC's previous Qualcomm devices (like the Kaiser) - and no, swapping radios isn't the answer. Flashing to a new ROM/radio, or hard resetting might steady things for a while, but it always creeps back in the end, it just seems to be inherent.

Perhaps it's TouchFlo, perhaps it's WM6.1, perhaps it's the crappy processors or some other hardware inadequacy... the point is, users like us shouldn't have to troubleshoot it (as we have been since the Tytn II if not before) - this is HTC's carelessness.
[Touch HD General] Maddi:
Now, I found the problem of my HD.

Filesys.exe needs 100% of cpu-load, because my HD tryed to download emails from my GMX-account every hours.

But, it can't download the mails from gmx..then it try, try, try and cpu is 100% load. I don't know, why it can't download the mails, but I set the downloadsetting to "manual" and now, the HD runs! :)
[Touch HD General] dam26:
Just got my HD.

:DJust got my HD about 2 hours ago and it froze twice. But i did add weather panel and photo contact pro and the htc infofeed form the thc touch. but i like it so far. about to try skyfire browser with the flash support on it now.
[Touch HD General] supersquash:
I swear mine is getting worse! It felt like it happened every single time I was writing a text message today. Must have genuinely happened 8-10 times just today!
[Touch HD General] ussi:
also experienced 5-6 second freezes but never had freezes when charging ?? i disabled now activsync...lets see what happens :-)
[Touch HD General] BigDede:
Facing same behavior since the first day I had the HD and without installing any additional programs. I have noticed this behavior while using Opera. My Touch HD is one week old and was bought in France from expansys.fr, however it's running WM6.1 english
[Touch HD General] tboy2000:
i bet its touchflo 3d. disbale it from today settings and use it for one day and see how u go.
[Touch HD General] ussi:
deactivation of smartsync didnt help...

how did you re-enable the CF2 ? can you give me (not a pro :rolleyes: ) a detailed tut? thx a lot!!
[Touch HD General] nin2thevoid:
Another confirmation of the problem here...

Never had it until yesterday (owning an HD for 8 days now).

Had .net3.5 installed a couple of days ago, the freezes were not apparent right after that, took a few days.

Do you people use TouchPal? Because despite the fact that I love that keyboard, the problem really started about a day after installing it. I think it's a coincidence though, as a lot of people with stock HDs have the problem.

I DID NOT have the same problem on the Diamond.
[Touch HD General] MAK11:
Don't set weather to update automaticaly, same for the RSS reader (it's setup by default in rom with pre-configured feeds and launchs a service in the background without you knowing and doesn't even show up in the taskmanager)
[Touch HD General] Atze001:
Same problem here with Touch HD German Version. Only freeze if i write SMS. Touch Pal is installed. Can this be the problem?
[Touch HD General] jolas:
I have the problem since it was vanilla.
[Touch HD General] Trixster101:
Unfortunatly not, I have TF disabled and I still get the hang during sms's. Sometimes it will go the whole message with no problems ad others it will pause it on the selected key for about 4-5 seconds.
[Touch HD General] Atze001:
It seems to be not only an sms problem. I wrote some words in live messenger and same happens. i think it is an wm problem with the SIP´s.
[Touch HD General] buggybug0:
try it without the SD card
[Touch HD General] Atze001:
Great Idea. I have had the same issue on my xda orbit past 3 years.

I will try this!!!

Edit: Dont work :-(
[Touch HD General] badaas:
I've had this bug on my Touch Elf ever since I installed the new qwerty keyboard from the opal devices. The one with the full qwerty keyboard. Thought it was opera at first, would freeze when typing into google. But after re-installing opera, the problem continued. NEVER happened before installation of this new SIP keyboard. So reading here, i'm thinking it's the new HTC SIP touch keyboards.

eg. will start typing with full keyboard, text will stop entering, but cursor will still flash, then the buffer catches up and all the letters appear! Also noticed memory disappeared after closing opera, but checking with Task Manager v3.0 no running apps or processes were hogging this memory!
[Touch HD General] SomethingWicked:
I found the following from this Polaris thread by rogro82, one of the team members who brought hardware acceleration to the Polaris...

Ever since I made this change on my Polaris, it seems to be running much faster. Not sure if it can help an HD, but could it be heading us in the right direction???
[Touch HD General] Atze001:
Don´t work!!! My T-HD slows down a lot. Seems the panel dont react on taps. (Very Bad English, i know :( )
[Touch HD General] vincent1:
My HD shows freezes 3-5 s during a lot of applications, incl. the ROM integrated. Especially on writing any kind like SMS or word, but also on the browsers.

It's not so a drama for me because i knowed such freezes also from my TyTN. But of course to do without would be nice.
[Touch HD General] Kimi72:
I can reproduce it quite frequently with Opera. Sweep the screen to scroll the page and then while screen is scrolling, stop it by tapping the screen. It doesn't freeze every time, but so frequently that it is a bit annoing.
[Touch HD General] jon-:
I think that's just down to opera having trouble rendering the screen as it's quite cpu intensive.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
My HD has not arrived yet. Can you guys install FDCSoft Task manager, and see what services are running?

In my Athena, I found that the device is more snappy if I turn off anything that I don't use. For example, I do not want auto rotation, so I disabled the autorotate service. I never use bluetooth headset, so I disabled bluetooth audio gateway. Of course each of our needs and preference are different, but I think you can find something that you do not need there.

Have you guys tried disabling TouchFLO 3D and see if it helps? Just for the sake of identifying the culprit.
[Touch HD General] jolas:
I did a hard reset and after a while I installed again my applications.

It seems a little better now, I think it "freezes" less times.

I'll have to check it for a few days to figure out if it is really better or the same as before.
[Touch HD General] Osir1s:
I've only noticed this freezing since installing Gsen...seems to occur heavily while typing messages, not so much elsewhere on the device..
[Touch HD General] jolas:
Problem stil exists...
[Touch HD General] paranoid2007:
Yeah, and it bothers me quite a lot. Someone has to find a fix please! I don't get, how HTC again and again ships devices with such obvious flaws.
[Touch HD General] ussi:
any fixes yet? how can i stop activesync do come constantly? i tried to set the timeplan according to a post in this forum. first i thought it worked, but now i realize, that activesync still comes up :-( please help!! thx
[Touch HD General] jon-:
My money is on the background update processes installed for touchflo3d
[Touch HD General] jackthekayman:
is there a way to prevent activesync start at the phone startup?
[Touch HD General] BigDede:
Try the following thread

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=2481033&postcount=81
[Touch HD General] SomethingWicked:
Now I understand what everyone means by the NOTIFICATIONS MENU. Thanks for pointing to that thread. I missed it before :D
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Osir1s,

Does this mean that once you unistall Gsen, then the problem is either reduced or eliminated?
[Touch HD General] apap:
I tried it but activesync still turns on intermittently. I am using wktask so I see the activesync icon the minute it gets activated.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
I also found that it still turns on intermittenly. Does anyone know of a procedure that really kills off activesync?
[Touch HD General] Osir1s:
Well I decided to give the device a restart after installing tomtom, and I have yet to run gsen for this session and thus far no freezes for me, HOWEVER I am also using the full qwerty keyboard as opposed to the phonepad (htc) version thing I was using before. The other common app this seems to occur in for *alot* is opera. One wonders if it doesnt have something to do with SIPs.
[Touch HD General] Atze001:
Any News???
[Touch HD General] jolas:
Unfortunately evetything is the same ...still freezes
[Touch HD General] jackthekayman:
/quote

I'm looking for a real solution too
[Touch HD General] apap:
fake server

The freezing still occurs but at least I found a way to stop activesync from starting. I got the solution from Panosha in another forum. Simply set up a fake exchange server in activesync (I also put the option to start activesync on manual). Once I did that activesync no longer pops into action.

Hope this is helpful at least for the activesync part but I am still looking for a solution to the freezes.
[Touch HD General] Atze001:
I will hope that olipro makes an hardspl for the touch HD. I think this is the only way to find out what will the hd freeze.

Use a shipped rom and make it minimal. Cut out all unnecessary programs and test it.
[Touch HD General] apap:
Dear moderators,

Can we do a poll on how many people have freezes and what os they have?
[Touch HD General] jolas:
Because a lot of people face the same problem with freezes and due to the fact that others have the same rom but with no such a problem I'm afraid that maybe it is not a software malfunction but it is a hardware problem that some production series have.

I suggest to all of us send email in HTC regarding specific problem, a.s.a.p.
[Touch HD General] Deadstar:
If it is hardware...why it happen only in some applications?

Why it never happen in normal usage of the pda..why it only happen mostly where there is to insert text (for example in opera in word or in sms..)?
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Do you think the problem is caused by the third party software keyboard?
[Touch HD General] jolas:
I have experiencing freezing while viewing files in resco explorer, while searching for contacts... etc.

For some time I had disabled the included HTC keyboards but with no solution.

I can't think that it is software related anymore, because I see that a lot of other users having exactly the same memory preinstalled, have no similar issues.

So, I start to believe that it has to be something with the hardware and maybe (as I said before), ...maybe some series in production line, have these problems.

This is what I start to believe now.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Then why not ask for a replacement and see if you new unit is still the same?

Based on the poll, very few people are having frequent freezing. Majority of the users have either no or infrequent freezing, so what you said might be true.
[Touch HD General] jolas:
I bought my device through internet and not my local reseller, so it is not that easy to ask for replacemet unit.
[Touch HD General] jackthekayman:
excuse me but the activesync working in background may be involved in these freeze?!

how to disable active sync to start autmatically?
[Touch HD General] Deadstar:
I think it is some code problem with the wm6.1 on this device..i'm not expert and this is only my imagination :)

But as i know every HD have this problem also if people doesn't expirience it so often,infact only few people say "it never happen" and maybe some of them never use opera or sms..

I think more sms/word/opera you use...more freeze you will have in your day.
[Touch HD General] jolas:
First open activesync, make a new server (any name you want) and after you finish the schedule part is becoming available.

In schedule choose both combo boxes to manually.

After that using e.g. SKTOOLS or Memaid etc. find the NOTIFICATIONS menu (or Notified Programs).

Find <repllog.exe> it will have several types listed. Find the one that says<AppRunAfterTimeChange>

Disable this instance.

The only time Activesync should start now is when you sync to your PC.
[Touch HD General] christine600:
Could the freezes be caused by the GSM radio occasionally having a lot of work to process?
[Touch HD General] Atze001:
Cause there is no HSPL for the Touch HD at this moment I will flash the original rom on my Touch HD tommorow to see what happens. Without installing the "extended rom".

I have one of the first HD´s and think that there maybe an error on the first flash.

Just a try.
[Touch HD General] PelloG:
I noticed the freeze bug too. In resco explorer.
[Touch HD General] 6Fg8:
Trying to reproduce the freezes, i found a way which shows the effect quite often:

- start opera

- turn device to landscape

- surf to a page big enough to allow for longer scrolling (e.g. the index page of this forum)

- double tap to zoom the top of the page

- wait until opera switches to fullscreen automatically, so only the zoom and show-gui buttons are visible (lower left & right corner)

- now quickly scroll down, and stop scrolling by tapping the screen

You can watch this best when during scrolling the two buttons vanish. When you stop scrolling by tap it should show the buttons immediately. In 90% of my tries it freezes for a few seconds. After the freeze, the buttons reapper and you can continue browsing normally. This does not happen (at least not that often) when the device is in portrait mode.

Would be interested if some of you experience the same behaviour.
[Touch HD General] Atze001:
Hmm, can it be the display drivers????
[Touch HD General] apap:
Another way to reproduce it. Open note and start scribbling continually as if writing a long note...eventually the screen will freeze for a few seconds and then resume.
[Touch HD General] S0mZ:
Hi All,

Hello,

Anyone try to use the default keyboard and not the dpad keyboard,

Because I think I have this issue on the diamond HD after change it to the dpad keyboard. I can't perform a test because it's not mine and I can do it in 2 days I think.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
In my experience, this often depends on how many files the file explorere is has to read. In the Window subdirectory, which is typically very very large, it does take a while. Otherwise, I think it would not freeze. This is normal.
[Touch HD General] sanchez13:
Hi all,

In my experience touch HD freezing for few seconds (sometime when I create new SMS) only when battery is low. When batery is charged more than 30-40% then I can't reproduce freeze. Can you confirm this ?
[Touch HD General] 6Fg8:
can't confirm that. On my device it happens regardless how full or empty the battery is.
[Touch HD General] jolas:
In mine, too.
[Touch HD General] sanchez13:
OK, this problem is not related to battery charge ..
[Touch HD General] dam26:
Week 1

After using my HD for a week now it doesn't seem to freeze as much as it use too!:D I' m on T-Mobile USA I had the G-1 Data plan when i first got the HD and now i have the regular data plan($20) and now it works just fine. Sometimes it loads web sites just as fast on Edge as the G-1 does on there 3G.
[Touch HD General] Atze001:
I reflash my phone with the shipped rom and it freezed again :mad:

I hope that it is not an hardware problem.

Wait till HSPL comes to see what I can do.
[Touch HD General] jolas:
I wait for the first custom rom to flash it, to make sure if it is a hardware or a software problem:confused:
[Touch HD General] fabian.bs:
i noticed that as well. so i dont think its a hardware problem. maybe the freezes in opera and in sms are different problems. i guess opera isnt fast enough to render a page in landscape and recognize a fingetip at the same time. do you think that could be possible???
[Touch HD General] bemi:
No freezes anymore since I only use the standard keyboard.

Bemi
[Touch HD General] fabian.bs:
and whats about opera? is the landscape scrolling freeze still there? if it is then we have the proof for 2 different problems. a keyboard and a opera performance problem.
[Touch HD General] bemi:
I post from my HD in landscape with standard keyboard and without freezing problems.

Bemi
[Touch HD General] 6Fg8:
That came to my mind too. Freezes in other apps are really seldom on my HD, so its only opera which is a bit annoying. I had a hard time to reproduce a freeze with SMS, although i could, it took a lot of effort to do so (nobody would ever type a SMS that long).

As for the keyboard theory, i never used anything else than the built in keyboard.
[Touch HD General] fabian.bs:
really? i do so as well and the scrollfreeze is still there in landscape when you tap on the screen while scrolling isnt finished
[Touch HD General] 6Fg8:
Sorry if i've been misleading. The opera freeze in landscape is still there.
[Touch HD General] fabian.bs:
but why only in landscape? as i mentioned, maybe it is just a software bug in opera. and a different bug in the inclded keyboard software. oh again 2 freezes while typing that message
[Touch HD General] ussi:
still no solution? is there a talented rom-cook around? would be cool to get that solved, altough i dont have them too often :)
[Touch HD General] 6Fg8:
for the lucky people which never have the issue, this is how it looks (watch upper left corner). It stays for a few seconds.
[Touch HD General] Atze001:
I build a light rom to find out what happend but I must wait till HSPL is ready cause I cant update my HD till now.
[Touch HD General] supersquash:
I think mine is getting worse, it happened twice during writing just 1 text message earlier today!

I am considering returning the phone for this reason, it is driving me mad!
[Touch HD General] zerozed:
Maybe it's only opera bug (I hope so) which will be fixed, didn't saw this freeze typing massage, but I don't type too much. If you don't suddenly stop the scrolling everything works fine, otherwise every time freezes
[Touch HD General] apap:
This is not just an opera bug. Open a note and start scribbling (not typing but drawing) non-stop and eventually the screen will freeze. As I like taking notes this is a problem for me.
[Touch HD General] Atze001:
And that is the reason that I was thinking that it was an Driver Bug. New Grafic or Display Drivers needed.
[Touch HD General] namwollem:
Me too!

I have a UK spec Touch HD and mine freezes from time to time, usually when using Internet Explorer and using WiFi. I havn't got Resco and I dont use Opera browser. I have to say it does happen more when the battery is below 50%....if this is of any relevance....?:mad:
[Touch HD General] Atze001:
I think not. The freeze effect happens at every battery load. But I hope that w get this week the HSPL for the HD and than I can test this. I have made a Rom Version without any software like opera and resco. Only for testing purposes.
[Touch HD General] arfster:
I'm wondering if it's related to wifi stalls - might be worth turning off all data and seeing if it still happens.
[Touch HD General] apap:
Nothing to do with wifi connection for me. As I noted the freezes don't occur just with opera but simply writing a note continuously with no other application running.
[Touch HD General] jon-:
Ok, here's what I've found out through playing last night

* It's CPU throttling. I was listening to an MP3 when my text froze and it killed the music / made it jump.

* It happens in any application where you need to make text input

This leads me to conclude (guess) it's either something to do with the on screen keyboard software or the driver that deals with touch screen input, possibly clearing out it's buffer.

Any thoughts?
[Touch HD General] BlastOS:
For me it doesn't append when I scribble a note continously. I must say it doesn't append so frequently. Only when typping a SMS or in Opera too...

I think this is due to the keyboard from HTC and/or Opera (I use the complete qwerty)

Just my little contribution ;-)
[Touch HD General] q123123an:
I also have it while not using the keyboard e.g. when playing solitaire...
[Touch HD General] jon-:
So between those 2 it would seem to be the touch screen input driver that's at fault. It's definitely not activesync.
[Touch HD General] jolas:
Do we all use the same ROM?

I have 1.14.405.3. (22273).
[Touch HD General] ussi:
after i got mine replaced (defective microsd-card reader) i have now version 1.14.407.3 (22273) GER. and there, almost no freezes anymore ?! maybe we should compare frequency of freezes to our versions?

@mod : why dont you make this thread sticky?!?! its definitly a big deal for a lot of users...