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[Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4] cantenna:
I came here to find valid reasons why one would root their Z Fold 4 (because I'm genuinely curious...), but after having read through this thread it's now apparent to me that there are no benefits.

You all know you can achieve system wide adblocking and uninstall any system app with ADB alone right?.....cause it would appear the vast majority here do not know this and are instead choosing the pooer redundant option whereby you also loose GPay/Knox/SPay unecessarily...
[Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4] pvillasuso:
The real benefit is : data backup ! and it's the only reason for me to have root

So , for someone who doesn't need to backup data , I would NOT recommend rooting !

You don't loose GPay or SPay , there are magisk modules and mods for that .

With the updates , well ... you need to manually download the latest and use ODIN to flash them ( you can keep data and root in the process )

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This is the best app for cloud data backup IMO ( needs root XD ) if someone is interested :

Swift Backup - Apps on Google Play

A simple, fast and smart backup solution for Android smartphones

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[Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4] immortel_la:
i don't use phone that can't be rooted. Period. Just the adblocking itself is worthy enough, let alone freezing app, backup and other features
[Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4] Poopnasty:
Idc what anyone says. Rooting my phone for roms used to be my favorite thing in the world. I guess the last one was the galaxy alpha 850m. The benefit of the roms( if developed well) is vastly better battery life. Added features or less features. There were so many dope ones thru out the ages. My favorite of all time was black box rom. It was so long ago. Prolly an s2. I love the hardware of Samsung. But hate the os. I might go with one plus next time if they got a lot of development. I wish Samsung USA would stop being theives and let us access the phone. It seems illegal to me. I bought the thing. And yet I can't access it entirely? Idk...

So yes I would root my phone immediately. Someone hack this thing and dispense a one click. I would ejackul8. Thanks yawl. Much love to the community.
[Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4] wowbro:
What will it take to get Samsung to unlock root?

do we need to all email them or maybe boycott them or something

Seriously, cant stand blocked features.
[Sony Xperia XZ Questions & Answers] slayernn:
Hello ppl. I'm user of xperia xzs but same is related to xz as they are similar models. Reason why i write here and not in "xperia XZs" section is cus forum section is inactive.

Phone is obviously heating too much, throttling, killing apps and android modules, afaik caused by bad snapdragon 820 power management etc. I belive there is ppl that have less of problems with their devices , which addres posible another issue: bad assembly of phones, in sense thermal pad/paste is not set correctly so even slight miss in assembly, bring overheating and other issues in fact that device is not for normal use.. I tried everything software related: downgrading to nougat, trying different firmwares etc, stamina mode, clearing cache/data etc etc, nothing help to bring my device in state: having a normalno decent phone capable of doing light surf. I dont use camera/games. My device is in very good condition, like new, battery work great. Anyone managed to fix problem somehow? Im thinking the last thing to do before trowing this crap to garbage, to dissasamble and try to check thermal pad/paste and somehow reaply. This is my definetly last smartphone from Sony which became a parody company for phones, not to mention their customer service which are some kind of very stupid AI or if not, that 'person' is on chimpanze level.

Best regards ;)
[Sony Xperia XZ Questions & Answers] blackhawk:
Lol, you never dealt with Samsung tech support...

You need to find the root cause(s) using the tools available. Karma Firewall can help show which apps are accessing the internet excessively.

Battery trackers can be useful. Keep social media apps off the phone. Cloud apps are another potential trouble maker ie Google backup Transport.
[Sony Xperia XZ Questions & Answers] slayernn:
Samsung is even worse? Damn, is there any human beings in that corporations..

Thx for respond! I tried app that you attach, it gives me some interesting infos for now. User apps block didnt do nothing so i did block all system apps and started burnout benchmark test which usualy stop working when im in ~2/7 test. I find out that Apps (UID 1000) and Apps (UID 10039) is trying to access internet many times. When i disable that 2 alone, burnout benchmark goes to end 7/7 (56c max) which is great. Then i tried to see which one is problematic, and that is Apps (UID 10039) which make problem and kill e.g. Burnout benchmark test . Any suggestion what to try from this point? Thx again mate!
[Sony Xperia XZ Questions & Answers] blackhawk:
You're welcome. I've dealt with Sony before, they are a pain. For hifi equipment Denon is the one you wanted.

Disable Sony, app and carrier feedback. Disable Google Firebase.

You can temporarily disable Google play Services and see if that helps especially at night.

Accubattery is useful for it's charge/discharge history, allows you to track SOT usage easily by the hour %@hr. In time Karma helps you spot odd or unwanted behaviors.

Use this settings mod to globally block ads, it also blocks some blacklisted sites.

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[Sony Xperia XZ Questions & Answers] slayernn:
Can you tell me where to find and disable 'Sony,app and carrier feedback, google firebase" ? Cant find private DNS option, i have android 8, there is no "more connection settings", i can find printing, its in "Device connection" its all. Thx
[Sony Xperia XZ Questions & Answers] blackhawk:
I never used 8, only 4, 5, 9 and 10.

Explore all of settings. Probably there, somewhere. Firebase is at the end of the Google settings in the phone settings.
[Sony Xperia XZ Questions & Answers] slayernn:
There is no dns option in oreo but there is 3rd party app for that, i will try. But still cant find Firebase option and carrier feedback dont know what u mean by that and where to find it? In google settings under "services on this device" there is "ads, auto-fill,backup,dev&sharing ....settings for google apps(connected apps play games etc" cant find there. HM
[Sony Xperia XZ Questions & Answers] blackhawk:
Maybe Oreo doesn't support Firebase, good!

Pie has better security at the cost of some functionality. Oreo is suspectable to the X-helper rootkit, a real nasty worm.

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[Sony Xperia XZ Questions & Answers] slayernn:
I turn on dev options and now i see firebase app indexing which is already disabled. I will try to look at Karma fw and accu battery for that "Apps (UID 10039)" which is main problem. So that gives me hope that it is all software problem. Another problem which is probably imposible to fix is that soc start bad throthling etc when it reach ~56c, if thats only few degree up..
[Sony Xperia XZ Questions & Answers] blackhawk:
It's almost always software or a firmware problem you can work around.

Yeah but what's the battery temp? That the temperature I watch. At 102-3F I turn it off.

Not sure what that UID is.

The app, UID Lookup for Android might be helpful, I haven't tried it yet.
[Sony Xperia XZ Questions & Answers] slayernn:
First of all thank you very much you helped me a lot... you show me the way a posible full-fix for my device! That app UID lookup is not working for me. What i find out is that UID 10039 = com.android.vending aka google play. I unistalled it via adb shell and then run benchmark test and it went all to the end 7/7. Later i installed latest google play apk and after that, benchmark start crashing again and phone overheats. Last thing i did is to DISABLE avg protection and now benchmark run to end 7/7. Avg is present in every xzs firmware by default, if thats reason why device behave this way then ...

ps playstore app crash again randomly during normal use of phone without using playstore. Something with playstore modules are maybe wrong hm...
[Sony Xperia XZ Questions & Answers] blackhawk:
Goggle Play or Google Play Store, a known trouble maker?

To optimize a stock device you need to play with it until you understand why (cause and effect) it's behaving the way it is. It takes some time, but after which it becomes almost second nature.

No coding skills needed as there's lots of ways to work within the UI framework including 3rd party apps like Package Disabler for non-Samsung devices but I've never used that version. That's my main means of debloating my Samsung's. PM if you want the link to the website, not on Playstore.
[Sony Xperia XZ Questions & Answers] slayernn:
My brain is now throttling badly and temp is rising!! :D

Case 1: In Karma FW > disable AVG, disable google play store, enable Apps (UID 10039) = Benchmark go 100%

Case 2: enable avg, disable google play store, enable Apps (UID 10039) = Benchmark crash at 2/7

Case 3: enable avg, enable google play store, disable Apps (UID 10039) = Benchmark go 100%

So there is some rule in relation to avg-google play store-Apps(UID 100039) and i dont have a clue how they are interconnected, im only 100% sure in coherence with benchmark failing/finishing. I'm not smart..

One thing come to my mind right now, mighty sony support and how banal they are: did you reset your device? And similar anti-brain suggestions. HAHAH
[Sony Xperia XZ Questions & Answers] blackhawk:
Clear system cache.

I always disable location unless needed.

Try running the bench with internet disabled.

Try firewall blocking Playstore, I normally do.

Playstore, another good reason to hate it🤣
[Sony Xperia XZ Questions & Answers] slayernn:
Tried everything posible i think of, even unistalling chrome (so to enable default android webview), tried different ver of play store (even disabled it true adb). Nothing gives me hope except blocking Apps (UID 10039). I uploaded latest log of blocked uid while successfully running benchmark. I now understand less and less and have no idea what to do next. Is this Sony way to force us to buy a new phone? If so they definetly force me to buy another manufacturer phone.

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[Sony Xperia XZ Questions & Answers] blackhawk:
Lol, this N10+ was a hot running, lagging battery hog at first. It took a lot time to optimize it. Turned out so good I got a second one.

Dependencies, sometimes it's another app or service causing the drain that's not being correctly reported. Or there's a conflict that creates constant, excessive polling. Trial and error to find them. Add tools that help you to do that... it takes some effort and thought.

Like I said I normally package disable and firewall block Playstore. It's a menace in more ways than one and eats some battery too. Google play Services is normally disabled unless I need it, which is once or twice a day usually. Modify notifications so it doesn't complain endlessly as it will when disabled. Turning off Google play Services and Google Backup Transport is not enough to fully disable it as it may still run in the background at night even.

My N10+ misreports as Google play Services I believe it is... instead Backup must be package disabled to kill it completely.

Your device may behave differently so this is an example of how cryptic this can get. Keep chipping anyway at it until you find the trouble makers and the solutions.

Make sure global power management is disabled or it will cause erratic behavior even more battery consumption.

Developer options>standby apps, all app buckets should show as active otherwise global power management is active! It can't be turned off here though. It's under battery management. In setting under individual apps you can limit data and background battery usage without effecting the global settings, sometimes this gets it.

This is what I'm talking about per Samsung. Sony will have something similar as the global power management/buckets thing is a Google Android apk that manufacturers modify for their flavor. The core functionality though still exists and will likely cause problems when enabled. Its not needed and complicates optimization.

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[Sony Xperia XZ Questions & Answers] slayernn:
Tried your instructions, it was not easy as i use different manufacturer with oreo and much less options then yours but i got everythink right i think. I found program called "Net blocker" and then go with trial&error to find that real cause of issue and thats 2 modules with same uid no (10039 remember) that karma didnt show me. Now my phone work stable, i can even use google play store. Only related apps like youtube dont work with this 2 modules blocked. Im still not 100% satisfied, i want to come to real solution so if i give my phone to someone, that person dont have to mess around like i did, e.g. after hard reset everything needs to be set with advance knowledge you know..

Here is pic of that 2 modules. Tell me if you know why they making so much problems to whole system and is there a way to fix. Btw Net blocker didnt give me option to disable just 1 of that 2 modules, both of them is selected at same time. Cheers mate and thanx again ! ;)

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[Sony Xperia XZ Questions & Answers] blackhawk:
Try clearing cache and data (if possible).

This how mine looks:

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[Sony Xperia XZ Questions & Answers] slayernn:
Hey mate. Tried clearing cache and data, guess what .. random crashes again non stop. So now im 100% sure root of problem is Google services framework. If i disable it, everything works fine except related apps(youtube etc etc) and if its enabled, i have to block in firewall. Clearing cache/data/restart/hard resent dont help my device, i tried different firmwares, its always the same. There is some incompatability with xz/s firmwares and that services framework.. i imagine fix is posible and easy but no1 cares.
[Sony Xperia XZ Questions & Answers] blackhawk:
Sorry...

I always keep Framework disabled. Forgot about it, lol maybe that's why Playstore can't connect🤣 It was constantly draining power even at night.

Bah-ha-ha-ha I had forgotten about it and had been ignoring Playstore, Thanks for reminding me. tff🤣

I may experiment with Framework again but it always ended up being a battery drain that was rarely needed unless I went to Playstore. I knew it was something simple🤣

Damn, you're good.

So you see how giving the phone to someone that isn't willing to take any interest in the system what will happen.
[Sony Xperia XZ Questions & Answers] slayernn:
I come to conclusion after everything tried with this device. Things like eg frameworketc is just consequence of device having a trouble with overheating/throthling. Even with framework off etc, some time device work perfect and after benchmark and overheating, everything start to fall apart and crash. So to end this suffering once for good and trow damn thing in garbage as it worth 0$... good bye Sony for good! Blackharwk thank you for all your help and sharing knowledge, I was on good track with your help but in the end i must give up. Maybe just one more thing just of curiosity, i will open damn thing and see if soc have good contact with thermal pad/paste. Cheers mate! :)
[Sony Xperia XZ Questions & Answers] blackhawk:
You can tell by the mAh used the device's capacity to dissipate heat. Otherwise the problem lies in the software simply using too many cpu cycles, and/or excessive internet bandwidth.

200-400 mAh average is probably normal. It shouldn't overheat.

Over 500 mAh average is getting high and with a high current load will come heat.

Just a ballpark as simply surfing on the browser is a much lighter load than streaming a vid typically.

If using excessive current, it's almost certainly a software issue... not easy to find at first. Took me a lot longer then a few days to tone down this N10+. In the end I doubled it's SOT and it then behaved snappy fast once free of its parasitic burden.
[Sony Xperia XZ Questions & Answers] slayernn:
It took 350mah draw during burnout benchmark. Problem is, accubatt/battery settings showing only aplications and it looks ok, i need more deeper view like android system modules battery consumption? I tried something last night, switch off phone and full charge (turned off), in the morning i switch it on and on the same start i got first random crash (maps stop working) and i sense device is starting to heating and it was idling, doing nothing... something in android is bad and killing soc/battery or device have some kind hardware failure which is the real cause hm
[Sony Xperia XZ Questions & Answers] slayernn:
blackhawk can you check list of packages that i took via adb shell (from topic how to remove bloatware). With your experience, maybe you find something suspicious. Thx​
[Sony Xperia XZ Questions & Answers] blackhawk:
Many of those are Sony apps which I know little or nothing about. That's probably roughly 200 more than there should be though. You're likely going to have trouble with functionality and usability. Dependencies are not always readily apparent until a needed app or services is missing.

It's best to know exactly what each disabled app does and any dependencies it has. One big reason optimizing tends to be a long process with a steep learning curve. Furthermore what is junk to one maybe invaluable to another. Optimizing is based on personal preferences. Stripping out most of the functionality from a phone will yield a very dull phone.

You may also create conflicts because of missing apps/services where another one is constantly polling for the missing one, sucking up resources.
[Sony Xperia XZ Questions & Answers] slayernn:
Lol you are deffinetly right, i feel stupid now, like i give you list of e.g. windows system32 dir :/ :) I was thinking what if maybe, just maybe there is a problem with ram malfunction? Unfortunatly there is no goldmem/similar diagnostics on arm architecture, to check integrity. Cheers
[Sony Xperia XZ Questions & Answers] blackhawk:
I crashed more than couple XP pro loads playing in the Registry🤣

Malware is also possible. Any pre Pie version is vulnerable to X-helper, a nasty partition worming rootkit. It's possible one on the partitions became corrupted either a hardware failure or single event upset. Maybe time to reflash the everything.

Most times it's nothing so sinister, just poorly written software and/or improper setup. That's not a real powerful platform so don't expect miracles. Could be the last firmware upgrade screwed it up. 3gb of ram isn't a lot, check to see if any apps are hogging it up.

Sorry I forgot the platform you're on, my bad! 350 mAh, no idea any more what's a good value for that hardware package. I have a S4+ and the difference between that and the N10+ is like night and day. The S4+ is painful to use by comparison. It's like trying to run in knee high mud. Doesn't take much to bog it down.
[Sony Xperia XZ Questions & Answers] slayernn:
To update you about my progres. I think i got almost 100% working device. We were on wrong path i belive. Long story (tried many many many things) short : i used new version of flasher with correct (got from this forum) files inside .flashtool/devices. Everything went smooth with no errors but with standard "No loader found or set manually", but flasher did used alt ver. Now i dont experience crashes, all work fine except when i e.g. start youtube and fast scroll, yt crashes sometime (slow processor i belive even it is with 4gb of ram). So, problem was not in android, it was in way how everything was flashed/partitioned/whatever(i will never understand android/smartphone system..) even before i got this phone, it was wrong. Btw I find out by searching imei that i my device is under warrianty till 2024 funny but true :D What do you think on all of this? :) Thank you mate, cheers!!
[Sony Xperia XZ Questions & Answers] blackhawk:
I know even less than you about flashing Androids. I avoid doing it. Never had to flash a stock rom yet. My Canon cams, PC bios, routers were easy to flash in comparison to Androids😖

A buggered flash will definitely cause issues🤣

Good save😀

That warranty is crazy long.
[Sony Xperia XZ Questions & Answers] slayernn:
Respect on enthusiasm then! There is so so so much things to learn regard androids, damn... Long live PCs, mbr,gpt,fat,ntfs,bios etc! :) Tomorow i will terorise this device to see if everything is at 100%, if not i will go with one more thing and thats: newflasher that is writen for newer sony devices and fully automated. Device is pretty new, guarantee from 2022-24 even im not sure if i can potentialy use my warrianty cus all this work i done.
[Sony Xperia XZ Questions & Answers] blackhawk:
Yeah with the N10+'s I just work within the stock parameters (maybe a bit on the edge) and have had good results after optimizing the hell out of them. My only rule is to not allow OTA upgrades/updates. Its the worst firmware flashing method I ever used (aside from MS🤣)... so I don't.
[HTC Excalibur] LiverpoolFCfan:
I am running Rick and Stylez Rose ROM v1.6 !

Yesterday I needed to revert back to the HTC WM6.0 version to make sure a problem existed in that ROM prior to calling Tech Support.

When I tried to run the original ROM update, it kept failing with a COMMUNICATIONS [202] error.

I am sure there is some multi-finger startup method that can get the phone into a state where this will not happen - but a quick search did not find one. So, I took a look at the AUTO.BAT file that installs the latest Rose ROMs.

Turns out that Rick's previous insertion of "Pause"s in that batch file has made it really easy to load the Original ROM.

Simply run the AUTO.BAT as normal to load the latest ROM, and when you get to the point where your S620 screen is all white, and the PC screen displays the message

"Now use RUU to flash ROM(Don't touch the usb link line)"

Press and key to contiue ...

Press Ctrl-C to terminate the batch file (and the installation of the new ROM). Instead go and run the installer for the Original ROM.

It will install without any COMMUNICATIONS errors.

Hope this helps others who run into this issue.
[HTC Excalibur] jdoggraz:
Or you can turn off the phone, then hold the camera button down for like 5 seconds, plug the usb while still holding it down. This should bring you to a tri-colored screen and now you can flash with the original (official) rom without any errors...
[HTC Excalibur] NRGZ28:
And that's definitely the best way to do it! I outlined it in detail in my Rose ROM thread. Or better yet, load the modified SPL made by jockey(also found in my thread) and never worry about whether the ROM matches the phone again. You can load ANY ROM anytime! :)
[HTC Excalibur] jdoggraz:
Oh sweet haha thanks for letting me know about that... :)
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[Motorola Edge (2021)] emmaenk:
Hi there, I know that actually section it’s wrong but I cannot found the correct, admin please send me to the correct forum section.

I’m new in this forum but not in root and other stuffs, my problem it’s recently unlock boot loader for this model (g82 5g) but i cannot remove warning text when turn on the phone, some body can help me with logo.bin or something?

Thanks
[Motorola Edge (2021)] jonatan797:
túyou have to buy xiaomi Motorola it's already gone you can't remove that
[Motorola Edge (2021)] jonatan797:
Xxiaomi has a little lock and a lot of people on the forums return that crap from Motorola
[Motorola Edge (2021)] refrigerador67:
very helpful