yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Touch HD General] Wolfenzi:
http://rapidshare.com/files/178479438/Output.rar.html

Try this.

It is trailer for Indiana Jones 4.

Its 2 files.

One is 560x304 1200kbps .avi FLV video for Coreplayer.

Second is 800x480 1300kbps .mp4 h264 video for WMP.

You cant run benchmark in WMP, but you will see its little better than the coreplayer video.

And about quality, you will see EXTREME difference because of better resolution and much better codec (h264 vs. h263)
[Touch HD General] projection:
I have sent tnyynt a beta of my gui :)

And here is a teaser for the rest...
[Touch HD General] tnyynt:
Tried to download but the limit of 10 allowed downloads was reached.

I'd like to ask those 10 who downloaded to post their observations.
[Touch HD General] tnyynt:
10 - 4....
[Touch HD General] Wolfenzi:
http://rapidshare.com/files/178972335/Output.rar.html

Another link (10 slots only)
[Touch HD General] Chris Cross:
And if the above 10 downloads are used up, then download here:

http://www.savefile.com/files/1952272

(unlimited downloads, file deletion after 30 days of no activity)
[Touch HD General] tnyynt:
OK, managed to download the files. Here are my findings:

FLV file: playing back with Coreplayer, flawless, benchmarked three times with results of 111.23%, 113.76% and 115.89%. Skipping through the video is instant.

MP4 file: played back with Album and with Windows Media Player. In both runs, the first approx. 10 seconds are very choppy, then it smoothens with occasional hickups. Processor occupancy seems very high since in both Album and Media Player, from full screen tap to response there's a delay of approx. 7-8 seconds. Skipping through the video takes more than 15 seconds. This video is a bith sharper due to the resolution, playing back does not need canvas stretching.

I'll stick to FLV for now.

Later edit: the FLV file is actually not FLV. It's an FFDS AVI.
[Touch HD General] Scorbion:
nice work :) ,,,, Im gonna ask u if u can add subtitles support ,u will be the best !! :D
[Touch HD General] Wolfenzi:
And about subtitles, choose font which support letters like : ěščřžů . I have bad experience with converters which can burn in subtitles but czech subtitles then looks like this "mám u_ dost t_ch kec_" so its nonwatchable.
[Touch HD General] projection:
It doesn't depend on the font.

Depends on the encoding.

I will probably make it UTF-8. And if you don't have UTF-8 subtitles, then that's your problem.

Easy to convert, but no way to detect.
[Touch HD General] Wolfenzi:
I had some program which was killing some letters in my subtitles, so I changed font from default to ...i think Tahoma and then it worked ;) So it was about font ?

Can you send me your beta like you send it to Tnyynt ? I would like to be tester :-)
[Touch HD General] frederikk:
Everybody is talking about playing HD on the touch HD... but what about "SD" videos ?

i tried to play the file of a tv show. The file is :

Format : AVI

Format/Info : Audio Video Interleave

File size : 349 MiB

Duration : 41mn 57s

Overall bit rate : 1 164 Kbps

Video

Format : MPEG-4 Visual

Format profile : Streaming Video@L1

Format settings, BVOP : Yes

Format settings, QPel : No

Format settings, GMC : No warppoints

Format settings, Matrix : Default

Codec ID : DX50

Codec ID/Hint : DivX 5

Duration : 41mn 57s

Bit rate : 1 023 Kbps

Width : 624 pixels

Height : 352 pixels

Display aspect ratio : 16/9

Frame rate : 23.976 fps

Resolution : 24 bits

Colorimetry : 4:2:0

Scan type : Progressive

Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.194

Stream size : 307 MiB (88%)

Writing library : XviD 1.1.2 (UTC 2006-11-01)

Audio

Format : MPEG Audio

Format version : Version 1

Format profile : Layer 3

Codec ID : 55

Codec ID/Hint : MP3

Duration : 41mn 56s

Bit rate mode : Constant

Bit rate : 32.0 Kbps

Channel(s) : 2 channels

Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz

Resolution : 16 bits

Stream size : 38.5 MiB (11%)

Alignment : Aligned on interleaves

Interleave, duration : 24 ms (0.58 video frame)

So less bitrate than your settings and the resolution is much lower... and despite of that, the file is playing awfully.. stuttering without interruption... But if i apply your settings to convert it the file will be much bigger :(

Is there a way to find settings in order to be played well but the file stay quite the same size.. even less... when i convert it for my meizu m6 the final file is 150MB... i know the resolution is lower (320*240) but to be honest on this size of screen... not a problem at all.. ( to be honest i don't event understand your conversations about HD on such a screen size.. )

Ciao

Fred
[Touch HD General] Wolfenzi:
Yeah it is normal, your video with lower resolution and bitrate will lag more than 800x480 with higher bitrate. It is because of different container and codec.Best for WMP and Album is .mp4 and h264 and for coreplayer is best probably .avi and flv codec.

For example Prison Break has 95% in coreplayer benchmark. And if you convert it, leave everything same but change the codec on flv, then it is 105%.

So you can try convert your video, leave everything same, but change only container and codec (.mp4 and h264 for WMP/Album or .avi and flv for Coreplayer)
[Touch HD General] frederikk:
Thanx for your answer.

Ok i see. So the scaling of the image size is the more cpu consuming part ? But he problem is that your prison break ( it was CSI NY in fact ;) ) if converted in 800*480 and avi or else will be bigger than the original one ! :(

I'll give a try... but don't really know which software to use yet... as i said i'm not looking for hd stuff.. just equal my meizu and have a little bigger screen in the train :)

Ciao

Fred
[Touch HD General] projection:
Please have a little bit of patience.

The GUI is almost done. Me and tnyynt spent half the night yesterday finding perfect settings.

The GUI will solve most of your problems of converting video... I'll try to get out the first version tonight.
[Touch HD General] reidar.ostrem:
This sounds incredible! I would like to thank you both for putting so much effort in this..
[Touch HD General] Wolfenzi:
frederikk:

There is only one thing which affect size of your video, and thats bitrate.(video+audio). And you dont ever have to put it in 800x480, you can only change container and codec. But if you stretch it to 800x480 on PC, where you can use settings like 2pass etc. then it will be much better than realtime stretching on your blackstone ;-)
[Touch HD General] frederikk:
I tried few settings... but nothing interesting :(

- Tried with avidemux 800x480 / 800kbps / FLV1 + MP3 44.1kHz : very very stuttered

- Tried avidemux 800x480 / 700kbps / divx4 + MP3 48 kHz : very stuttered

- Tried smartVD ( soft for my meizu ) : 800x480 / 550 kbps / 30 fps : awfull !

I'll wait for your solution guy's :) Because i do only crappy video for now... it would be cool to use the HD but i love my meizu M6 too :D

Ciao

Fred

Edit : i forgot i tried to read those files with tcmp recomp 0.3 because WMP don't even accept to open the files !!! the two .avi ( divx ) files.
[Touch HD General] koxx:
I manage to encode a very interesting (with slow/fast mouvements), and this is very fluid.

You can find this video here :

H264 - 800x340 - 800kbps - baseline 3.0 ---- AAC - 128kbps

http://koxx3.free.fr/Test_mp4_800_340_800kbps_bl3_faac_128.mp4

Encoded with Media Encoder.

Read with HTC Album (tap resize twice to avoid border cutting).

Lag during first 30 seconds... and after : wonderful !

I had to reboot after few optimizations (cache ...), and everything goes right after that (few remaining task occuping CPU ???).

I have other test video with same input file :

600x272 - http://koxx3.free.fr/Test_mp4_600_272_800kbps_bl3_faac_128.mp4

600x360 - http://koxx3.free.fr/Test_mp4_600_360_800kbps_bl3_faac_128.mp4

800x480 - http://koxx3.free.fr/Test_mp4_800_480_1000kbps_bl3_faac_128.mp4

600x272 is realy nice too.
[Touch HD General] Wolfenzi:
koxx: yeah if it is .mp4 and h264, then it plays nice in Album. You can ever put better bitrate, I had bitrate 1200+128 and it was lagging rarely, only on very hard scenes. Watchable without problems.

Sadly, my last video has some audio problems. On PC quickplayer cant even open it, but KMP has no problems. Blackstone can open it, but cant play audio. Looks like i made some mistake, there are plenty of settings in mediacoder.

I am waiting for that wonder, which is Projection making on. Now I prefer HandBrake for encoding, but it cant add .srt subtitles (only DVD subtitles).
[Touch HD General] koxx:
for your sound problem, are you sure you've changed sample rate to 44000 ? touch HD doesn't seems to like 48000kHz ... it may be the problem ;)
[Touch HD General] tnyynt:
Just a little more patience guys! We're on this with projection.
[Touch HD General] Wolfenzi:
I just tried another converter - Xilisoft video converter ultimate .

First time, it looked amazing. But it can only use mp4 container with mpeg4 codec (no h264) , it cant show ř ů or ě in subtitles, and if subtitles got 3 lines, then it shows the last line out of video.

I hope Projection´s GUI wont have such problems with subtitles.
[Touch HD General] ^Rook:
Hello gents,

A very interesting project indeed :cool: Using Handbrake with Iphone settings at the moment. This is VERY acceptable but I feel there is still room for some improvement...

One question to you in advance if I may: What source-file types will your utillity accept ?

Kind regards,

Rolf (35, m, The Netherlands)
[Touch HD General] tnyynt:
From the GUI: avi, mp4, wmv, mkv, mpg, m2v.
[Touch HD General] ^Rook:
Thank you for your reply ;) Good to see .mpg is supported, still haven't been able to play these files on the HD. A little sorry to discover that DVD-rip files like a complete .iso or multiple .vob's aren't supported as source material...

The output file is always a .mp4 file for playback in Windows Media Player Mobile, correct ?

Anyway... Good luck with finalising, I'll be eagerly awaiting the arrival of the first version of your promising utility :)

Regards,

Rolf
[Touch HD General] projection:
Anything your computer can play in a normal video player. For example WMP.
[Touch HD General] Wolfenzi:
Please DO NOT USE UTF8 ! I just tried them in pocketdivxencoder and they cant play a lot of letters. Please don´t forget that we are not all in english speaking countries. Use latin2 , it doesnt have problems. THX

edit: I tried latin1, it works too. But please no UTF8
[Touch HD General] jentech:
Excellent, I will give it a try. Thanks again.
[Touch HD General] TTDegs:
tnyynt

MANY thanks for doing this - and also supplying the link to SUPER - looks like a great app :D

cheers
[Touch HD General] Mal Bridgeman:
How do you get the Touch HD supplied Media Player to run a .flv file, plse? :confused:
[Touch HD General] tnyynt:
Default media players will play back AVIs depending on their coder used. For FLV, use Coreplayer or another third party.
[Touch HD General] Bubble_Master:
OMG

THIS IS AWESOME. I JUST REALISED ALL MY MOVIES ARE ONLY ABOUT 700-1000 Kbit/s
[Touch HD General] SomethingWicked:
I hope I'm not too far off-topic. My HD arrives later in the week. But for now...

1) Is your SD Tune Up cab specific to HD's, or can it be used on any WinMo device? My Polaris is already 100 times faster than stock, thanks to the new udK R4 rom, which OS comes from the HD coincidentally, and would like faster SD access on it.

2) I noticed you mentioned it would speed up Class 6 cards specifically. Will it give my Class 4 card a boost as well?

Thanks for your time and effort. Much apprecaited!!! :D
[Touch HD General] tnyynt:
1. Usually it applies to stock ROMs, as cooked ones already have their speeds optimized. But you can get a general idea by benchmarking before and after to see the difference.

2. Never said that!
[Touch HD General] SomethingWicked:
My bad. Class 6 cards were mentioned in Post 1, Section 8, where you introduced your tune up cab, and nothing in the rest of the thread addressed other cards, so the phrasing/wording of my initial question was wrong. Sorry.

But the question remains: Will it provide a boost for other cards as well? Thanks man!
[Touch HD General] tnyynt:
Yes! But to see for yourself, run a benchmark before and one after install. If you are not happy, uninstall the cab.
[Touch HD General] JetMouse:
Out of interest could anyone tell me the class of Micro SD card that comes with the HD (in the UK)?
[Touch HD General] rovex:
Im not sure the SD speed up trick is directly improving video speed because itsreading from the card faster. The N95 has far worse card reading speed but manages fine. It may however reduce CPU load giving the CPU more time to work on the video. Either way it does help slightly in general phone operation.
[Touch HD General] tnyynt:
There's still no feedback from users regarding the test video from post #1.:cool:

So let me ask this again: what's wrong with that?;)
[Touch HD General] Geeba:
I'm a noob to smart phones and the Touch HD is my first other than an Elf I had for a while before dropping it and smashing the screen.. :(

What app is best for playing DivX files? I noticed that DivX do a mobile version... should I use this or the Coreplayer you speak of... :confused:
[Touch HD General] rovex:
It plays ok, but gets mega ugly at times. Strangely files ive encoded myself using similar setting work better.
[Touch HD General] tnyynt:
Great! At last we have a feedback! And a positive one! Keep playing and you'll see that the night isn't that dark after all!
[Touch HD General] rovex:
Its certainly good enough. I think a lot of people need to remember that the source video is a big factor on the quality. I converted a short 720P clip of WALL-E using broadly similar settings. It looks excellent on the touch HD and benched over 100%. Unfortunately 'Super' converted it with some random stutter since it also does it on my powerful PC, but it did show whats possible.
[Touch HD General] blackb1ade:
Top work!

Thanks for that - I've been a little dissappointed with the slight stop/start -ness of the HD [particularly on 'busy' scenes].... in particular since I was in Vodafone on saturday playing with the new blackberry STORM - and watched a segment of a very fast paced/busy action movie scene (from 'Transformers') which it displayed with total smoothness and clarity - not one stutter.... did make me a bit down that the HD came a solid 2nd on that test.

However - along comes this post at just the right time - I'll try it later (although admittedly I do have a 16GB MicroSD card in there - there is a small '2' in a circle on it....prior to this thread, I had no idea that there were different 'classes' of solid-state mSD cards that had differing access rates! - I'm now assuming that, whilst I have greater storage capacity in a 16GB, my access rate suffers with it being a class 2? :-(

No worries, I'm already thinking I could get some 8GB cards (presumably they come in the 'fastest' format) and store movies on there - no hassle to carry them around as they're so tiny anyway.

Only problem with this is....

...anyone wanna buy an ARCHOS?......... ;-)
[Touch HD General] tnyynt:
New test video!

Heh, YOU wanted it! ;)

HERE!

...fast, high quality Transformers trailer! If this isn't kick ass, top class, I don't know what you're perception of Mobile video is, guys! :rolleyes:

Hope it's HD enough for everyone!

In moments like these I love my Blackstone! :D
[Touch HD General] ujkadusko:
I copied it to SD card and I can not run it.Do I have to convert it on my computer(and with which CODEC program) and then copy to SD card?
[Touch HD General] tnyynt:
You don't need to do anything with it, Copy either to SD Card or Device and open it with Coreplayer.
[Touch HD General] ujkadusko:
File Explorer is detecting file on storage card,but Windows Media player is not.Also I can not see it on albums from main meny.

Thanks for your previous answer
[Touch HD General] Matterhorn:
I just tried your Transformers video...soooooo smooth! Thanks for your work it is appreciated.
[Touch HD General] evojulz:
tnyynt, thanks for putting in the hard yards to work out the perfect combination!! I suspect it will serve well for years to come ;)
[Touch HD General] tnyynt:
I just want to make you all understand that the Blackstone is a wonderful device and that you shouldn't give up on it just because it won't play a file or two. i showed you it plays higher quality files than those that some say it will not play back.

We just need to understand the limits and push them as far as we can. We ourselves can't carry more than what we can. So this thread is for making it easier on the Blackstone and defend it from those who have already put it down.
[Touch HD General] ujkadusko:
I was sooo stupid.I do not have Core Player installed in my HD.Do You have a link with the proper one that will work on HD?

Thank You in advance
[Touch HD General] tnyynt:
Any type of recent Coreplayer would do it. You can purchase it at www.coreplayer.com
[Touch HD General] dcoales:
OK, I downloaded the speed up cab and installed it. I then downloaded the flv file and played it. Sure enough if I play it at 100% zoom then I get pretty smooth play (benchmarked at 108%). However this doesn't make full use of the screen. If I change the zoom option to fill the screen then performance drops markedly as you would expect down to around 64% or less.

Have I missed a trick here. I naturally want to take advantage of the full screen but as soon as I do I get performance issues again. Are there some other settings that I should know about in order to get decent full screen performance ?
[Touch HD General] tnyynt:
Other device results!

OK everyone, here's the real deal.

Transformers Trailer scored 117.23% procent on my HD.

With the help of a friend, here's the competition's results, on the same file:

Sony Ericsson Xperia X1: 101%
[Touch HD General] dcoales:
What zoom level did you have ? As I say in the post above yours I can't get decent performance when playing full screen.
[Touch HD General] tnyynt:
Zooming to Fill screen got me benchmark result of 119.05% on Transformers Trailer. Strange but even higher than before :D
[Touch HD General] tnyynt:
Initial zoom was "Fit best". Then, after your observation, I went to "Fill screen" and got it even higher as in bench result.
[Touch HD General] dcoales:
Sorry guys, my bad. I had the video options set to DirectDraw. Changing to Qtv fixed everything. Now getting 114% using best fit. Fantastic !!
[Touch HD General] tnyynt:
Another happy customer! ;)
[Touch HD General] nikki-m:
Playing back a converted film I can achieve 135%.

If I activate Gyrator 2, but don't rotate the unit (difficult to watch the film like this!!) the speed dops down to 120%. If I then rotate the PDA to lanscape mode, the speed drops down to 105%.

With conversions of other films, I have achieved lower figures than this. Some films are unwatchable with Gyrator activated, but become acceptable to watch without it on.

Moral - convert all clips and films to the correct orientation to be able to watch the film without using Gyrator.
[Touch HD General] arifhanid:
15% off Coreplayer

Anyone who wants to buy Coreplayer can get a 15% discount by buying it from here:

http://www.mobihand.com/product.asp?deviceId=957&id=8905

Click on "Free Trial" and a message will pop-up stating that there is no Free Trial available and you can get a 15% discount by giving your email address.

Add your email address and you'll soon get a link emailed to you with a code to get 15% off :cool:
[Touch HD General] tnyynt:
There's a rotation option in Coreplayer which you can set to watch movies full screen automatically at start, or on demand by tapping. You can set left or right handed.
[Touch HD General] Matterhorn:
I've made one more observation, the quality of the video seems to be better when the audio is set to "mono joined" instead of stereo.
[Touch HD General] tnyynt:
Because the processing that needs to be done is slightly lower, freeing up some processing power on the Device.
[Touch HD General] nikki-m:
Yes, I appreciate that.

My point was to say that having Gyrator running on the PDA, whether it is being used with Coreplayer or not, will still slow the PDA down a lot.

It is better to have it completely switched off if viewing movies.
[Touch HD General] tnyynt:
See if you can disable the rotation for this certain app.
[Touch HD General] nikki-m:
You are missing my point. it's not about disabling it for this particular application - it's about not having it running at all.

Try your own speed tests to see the difference.
[Touch HD General] TomPiXX:
Hey,

at first, thanks for your work and the time you spent on it.

I'm going to use you cab but firstly I want to ask what it does!?

I read every post in this thread but there's no answer for it, just posts like "something like this, something like that...".

Don't missunderstand me, but I don't want to install anything I don't know what it does.

Could you explain it?

Thanks a lot!
[Touch HD General] tnyynt:
It writes some settings to the registry with reference to DMA, Cache and File System in order to boost up performance.
[Touch HD General] TomPiXX:
Okay. Thanks! And after uninstall, these settings are set back to default?
[Touch HD General] tnyynt:
Yeap, but you won't uninstall :D
[Touch HD General] thawizard:
TCPMP works for me. There is a special modified version for Touch. I needed this because I use the subtitles plugin (which does not work with CorePlayer).

Thanks to tnyynt, it really increases the speed, but it is still a bit shaky. Barely noticeable though, but still noticeable (~80-100% avg). :( The only time it works smooth is to set video to GAPI. But sadly it is not possible to do fullscreen with this method.

Is there any other changes I could do or is the only way here to recode the file to a smaller size?
[Touch HD General] TomPiXX:
Think so, too :D
[Touch HD General] Mal Bridgeman:
So a little reluctantly I bought Coreplayer this morning. Converted a (1.5Gb) DVD Rip using the values suggested and after taking an age to push across to the phone is giving perfectly watchable results.

Only really suitable as a "Watch on the train" Solution and not a full blown take my films with me whilst I am away solution so the Archos stays for that.

Why HTC didn't recognise this problem and seek to bundle Coreplayer in and try to skin it like TouchFlo is beyond me....that would have been a neat solution and got a positive response from the community.

Thanks for the advice earlier

Mal
[Touch HD General] jcespi2005:
Question about the CAB...

Very interesting thread ;) many thanks...

One question about the quoted part of your post, i have a Raphael, and i was thinking in giving a try to your CAB, but most of the registry keys of your CAB are not defined in the TP... is this CAB only valid for the HD model? Should i give a try and see if the SDHC card flys?

For the FATFS part of the registry i have same values in my TP that you defined in the CAB.

Cheers
[Touch HD General] tnyynt:
Try it! It will work on any model sporting an expansion slot.

In case I'm wrong (which is under 1%), uninstall it.

But make sure you run a benchmark before and one after so that you can see the difference!
[Touch HD General] jcespi2005:
;) im just trying right now...

One question about codecs, i used to use Super for converting videos, and i understand FLV codec is Flash Video codec, right?

Tested the CAB in my TP, and this are the results using the same AVI file...

Without the CAB 179,38%

With the CAB 176,57%

So seems the CAB is not doing much in my TP.

Cheers
[Touch HD General] tnyynt:
I was advising you to test SD Card speed with a benchmark tool like SKtools!

Also, if you are running a cooked ROM, chances are that the Chef that cooked it already included optimisations (which might differ to mine).
[Touch HD General] jcespi2005:
Thanks for the advice ;)

I know about optimisations cause im running my own cooked ROM... but anyway seems the tweaks don't make Coreplayer reproduce the AVI quickly. I'll repeat the tests with SKTools to be sure.

Cheers

BTW i get better video playback results using WM codec instead of FVL one with same video resolution.
[Touch HD General] kstab:
Could you please give us a link?