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[G1 General] brooklynite:
the problem is that Google is giving away the OS for free, but not benefitting the consumer, we are not getting hte G1 for $20 we are paying $197 or so. So I wish Google would charge HTC and others for the phone and throw in a bunch of useful software in it.

Selling a phone that does not do the following basic stuff is STUPID (Sorry I love the phone but its stupid):

1) You cant select a piece of text (from the browser), copy and paste in an email or something.

2) The browser does not have an ADDRESS bar, you need to go in the menu, select options to bring it up

3) You cant CLOSE programs

4) You cant see how much battery is left in the phone in percentage.

5) You cant SYNC with OUTLOOK (THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS, even blackberry gave up that idea a long time ago). Only Calendar is available at this time, contacts (DAA), notes, files, etc are not.

6) Cant access the SD card while connected to the computer without going through menus and detaching it and reenabling it after you copy files and stuff

7) No file browser

8) No media player that plays the most common form of video (DIVX)

9) No FLASH PLAYER in the brower, hey cant we get skyfire on G1? A lot of sites I visit dont work anymore.

10) Camera takes BLUE pictures with no options to change ANYTHING.

11) Cant see the list of APPs you have installed, you see ALL THE APPS, tens, all those that came with the phone.

12) No hard reset button (unless I cant find it)

.....

Everything else, I love about the phone.

SORRY IF I AM WRONG IN ANY OF THE ABOVE, I HAVE ONLY HAD THE PHONE FOR A FEW DAYS.
[G1 General] neoobs:
I don't agree with all of your basics... and I am sure most of them will be fixed in some way or another, some of them have already been fixed by 3rd party developers. I am not going to pick a part your entire list but I will say... remember this software isn't even finished yet... it is in beta. Yea they shouldn't sell a phone with beta software... but they sell software in beta all the time and I have yet to hear a true actual gripe from anyone. So selling a phone that has beta software should be no different.

Give it time and you will see that all these things you are complaining about are nothing compared to what we can get it to do once we all help out with ideas.

BTW have you spoken to google about your ideas? That would be the first step in trying to get them implemented.
[G1 General] brooklynite:
thats a good idea, I wish this site had WIKI on its threads so we could collectively put together a clean cut wishlist and send it to Google, for free :D.
[G1 General] neoobs:
You can just use their groups to send the info to them. They have a couple now and I think they are expanding
[G1 General] foxmeister:
Just type something! You don't need to go to the menu to enter a URL.

Regards,

Dave
[G1 General] jzerocsk:
I have some solutions for some of your concerns:

Just type.

This is buried in Settings->About Phone->Status. If you download the app called "Anycut" you can make a shortcut to "Battery Info" to put a direct link to this info (plus some more info) right on your home screen.

I believe this is fixed in RC28 or later so if you have not received the OTA update yet, once you do it should prompt you when you plug in to USB.

There are a couple available in the Market

Market->My Downloads displays all installed apps and allows you to uninstall.
[G1 General] brooklynite:
GREAT LIST, Thanks!
[G1 General] Black93300ZX:
G1 Build Quality: Disgraceful

I'm a lover of Android and I'm waiting until a phone comes to AT&T with it, so before anyone jumps on me, I'm biased TOWARDS Android, not against it.

I went into a T-Mobile store today to check out the G1, considering either switching to T-Mobile or buying an unlocked version off of eBay. I picked the phone up and at first glance everything looked swell, then I pressed on the bottom right portion of the slider... Crrreeeaaakkk. Pressed again, creaakkk. Every single time I pushed down on the slider in the bottom right part it creaked loud and noticeably, and it did it on both models I had in front of me.

I couldn't believe a finished, refined, released phone could make such a horribly loud noise with every press, and it's depressing to think it's the only phone with Android. I had heard people talk about its creakiness on here, but I couldn't believe just how loud and consistent it was. I may be a bit spoiled coming from a Fuze, as the build quality on that is great, but is anyone else severely disappointed in HTC's inability to make a phone with a working, quiet slider and a capacitive screen?
[G1 General] badaas:
htc build quality is random, my touch dual usb port broke, polaris off center wonky screen, tilt misligned top half, etc etc.

i just got my G1 and it's fine, and am wandering what people are moaning about (atm), so just keep going til u find one that dont creek.

saying that, i jst had a samsung innov8 and that moved on one side of slider, checked other in store and was the same, so not just htc, but still no excuse!
[G1 General] Black93300ZX:
So when you press down firmly on the bottom right corner of the slider with it closed, it doesn't make a noise at all?
[G1 General] brooklynite:
Mine creaks too. The keyboard is horrible and can barely see it at night. when the menu button is pressed with the slider closed, it makes a loud creak sound as if there are multiple screws loose.

I am surprised you have not mentioned the battery cover that snaps in as opposed to sliding in securely. I dont like snap-in as they break and come loose.

For those who dont have a G1, I owned a WING for a year before and its made by HTC as well, the keyboard is fantastic, large keys and BRIGHT backlight and never creaks but heavy as hell and slow processor even when jacked up to 273Mhz. The G1 has small keys, barely legible during the day or night.
[G1 General] benmyers2941:
Mine will squeak occasionally too. I've noticed that it happens when it doesn't seem like the slider is fully to the left. The spring could probably use to be a little tighter, though it will wear with time.
[G1 General] punkzanyj:
(A) Why are you pressing down that hard on a part of the slider that wasn't designed to be pressed on? I bet if you push on the slider the wrong way it'll eventually break, too.

(B)Mine only does that when I press really really hard. Which isn't necessary to get it to actually work.

(C)Was it the floor models doing this? Because those have had several dozen people poking, proding, squeezing, pushing, pulling, etc. When I bought my wing, the model they had on display had a few buttons missing -- I didn't take that to mean the actual phone had holes in the keyboard. :D
[G1 General] badaas:
nope, no noise at all. tried different ways too, still no sound, guess im lucky (for now lol). have noticed my display has a bigger gap on right than left, infamous off-centre-htc-screen lol, will have to put up with it i guess :(
[G1 General] Black93300ZX:
I only pushed it as hard as you'd need to push a pressure sensitive screen to make it recognize, not "hard" at all. Regardless of floor model or not, that just means yours will be doing it in a few months... Anyways, it wasn't a floor model, it was a few demos they kept back in the stock room. The floor models were non-functional.
[G1 General] Datruesurfer:
I'm having the same problem with my phone... When I called T-Mobile customer service last week to ask a question about my account, I also mentioned the creek of the screen. The rep I talked to seemed concerned and noted my account. I would almost go back to the store I bought it from and complain, but they will probably just give me another phone with the same problem, since its such a new device.
[G1 General] Black93300ZX:
I only held the thing for like 5 minutes, I've already used the simulator so I was familiar with the software. Once the hardware disappointed me I told her she could have it back and didn't look for any further issues.
[G1 General] neoobs:
I think these are issues with the user. Mine creaked once but I quickly solved that by adjusting the screen... if you just fling the screen up and down of course it is gonna break and creak. And if I know people they like to play with things like that... opening and closing the screen over and over just for the purpose of doing it... or slaming the screen shut... this is a peice of sensitive material. You can't just slam it around or even let it close... you have to take care in your equipment. Even slaming it once is enough to cause it to creak and break something inside.
[G1 General] fnordelus:
Mine is Perfect
[G1 General] neoobs:
Think about the type of person reporting the issues... That is all I have to say
[G1 General] ranger7424:
Agreed have had mine since the release date not a single hardware issue. HTC equipment is top of the line in my book, and this phone by far is the best quality HTC product i have owned yet.
[G1 General] Black93300ZX:
Is that supposed to be some sort of shot at me? I picked the thing up in a T-Mobile store, how does that have any relevance as to who picks it up? Look at the other what, 2 or 3 people that say their screen creaks? Such an ignorant statement.
[G1 General] Black93300ZX:
Haha your book must be a joke book, look at all of the quality control issues they've had with stained yellow screens on Diamonds or fuzzy, washed out Diamond LCD screens. Quality control has been AWFUL with HTC.
[G1 General] neoobs:
It wasn't a shot at anyone or an ignorant statement. Your posts along with others who have complained of this issue are all similar... the type of person each of you are with your electronic devices is most likely similar as well... you nit pick over the fact that the screen creaks but you will never admit that you may be doing something wrong to do this. You are overall careless with your devices, and have no understanding of why it creaks but feel the need to start your own thread on a forum just to state that you are upset that the phone doesn't meet your high expectations even with your low overall care of the product.
[G1 General] Black93300ZX:
Hey guy, what did you miss in this thread? I said I HELD THE PHONE FOR 5 MINUTES and realized it creaked. Not when I pummeled my fist onto it, but when I pressed with my thumb on the bottom right part of the screen. But here you are, acting high and mighty and acting like I beat the hell out of my phones, do you really think I'd get $100 more for the Fuze than I paid after owning it for 3 weeks if I treated my electronics like ****? The ONLY thing you said right was that I'm nit-picky, I do keep my phones in absolutely mint condition with not a scratch, nick or ding on them. But where do you get off saying I'm "overall careless with my devices, and have no understanding of why it creaks"? Please explain where you got that impression of me.
[G1 General] neoobs:
You, black93300ZX, are taking my post to personally... it was a generalization, I started the post as such. The you in the post meant people who are complaining of the creaking. I am sorry for the confussion from now on I will use the third personal pronoun "they" so no one has missunderstandings.
[G1 General] Black93300ZX:
Okay let's use "they". Where do you get the impression that "they" treat their devices like ****? Could it be that the quality control from HTC is poor, or did the people with stained yellow screens on their Diamonds straight out of the box deserve it because they treat their devices horribly? Just because your device doesn't have a certain problem doesn't mean everyone else is being an idiot to cause it. In fact, the only person that said he treated his phone like **** is the guy that said he's had no problems at all, ironic, yes?
[G1 General] JaMoFo:
No creeks and no problem using the keyboard in the dark on my phone, no battery cover problems either....

Maybe the model in the store was a ****ty "test drive model"?
[G1 General] Black93300ZX:
Naw they had some ****ty floor models up front, but when I said I really wanted to get a feel for the phone she went out back and grabbed me the actual device. No tether, no tie down to a display or anything, just as if you'd pulled it out of your pocket. I'm happy to know it's a somewhat isolated concern though, just like the Diamond screens... If every single phone was like that it'd be quite disappointing.
[G1 General] gospeed.racer:
Mine is crap too. Squeaked and groaned since about the 3rd day. I take care of my ****, this thing is just plain poorly built. I guess its the users fault the batteries are crap too huh:rolleyes: There isnt much I like about this phone, except that there is so much hope left in the operating system. Whatever the next phone released is, I will probably trade up.
[G1 General] neoobs:
I never said they treat them like "crap" I said they have low overall care. This has nothing to do with the Diamond, bring that up means you are trying to divert the issue to a different issue to cover something up. Funny I said my device has creaked and I knew what I did wrong and fixed it. Yes the guy said he treats his devices poorly, I don't seem him complaining either and I doubt I would see him complain if something was wrong. The problem with the creaking is simple, two pieces of plastic rubbing against each other make a creak sound just like two pieces of wood do the same. There are many ways to treat your device badly, some have nothing to do with throwing your device on the ground. Simple things like keeping it in a pocket that receives lots of pressure or sitting on it in your back pocket, to things like not holding the slide out as you open or close it. They have to realize that they need to take care of the device, if something is wrong, like the creaking, then they need to know what is causing it, and they need to learn what they did to cause it. Out of the box everyone agrees it doesn't creak. So that means the creaking is caused by user interaction.
[G1 General] gospeed.racer:
well DUH! If you never take the thing out of the box how is it going to creak?
[G1 General] Black93300ZX:
So, if you never once slide the slider, it won't creak, you might be right. But NORMAL USE could make it creak, no? And by the way you said they were "careless" with their phones, you didn't say low overall care, you said careless.
[G1 General] Black93300ZX:
Haha exactly, why do these things come with warranties that last a year? Because sometimes normal use causes problems, and that's called a "defect". If you didn't use it, it wouldn't happen, but then why do you buy the phone?
[G1 General] ROCKnTIME:
Black93300ZX, nice upload speed btw.. :) Anyway, no problems at all with my G1.. Something to remember is that all floor models are abused.. Treat your phone right and get the insurance.. If there are any issues just keep sending the phone back until the G2 is released.. then all will be good.. :D
[G1 General] neoobs:
When you slide it support it... don't let it slam... think of it like an automatic door... if you let it slam over and over it will eventually break... hold it when you open and close it. And I said both careless and low overall care.
[G1 General] gospeed.racer:
And like I said, I take care of my stuff. Just cause you got a good one doesn't mean there arent bad ones out there. I hardly think we are the first few to experience this
[G1 General] ROCKnTIME:
Are you saying they make defective phones in China too.. I'm shocked.. :p
[G1 General] im.l0ltn:
Somewhat true

I have to agree with you that the phone is quiet flimsy but its not that bad. It use to creak when I would slide the keyboard during the 3rd day of use but a couple of days later it went away. What I don't understand is why are you pushing down on the screen especially right where the hinges are. I barely have to apply any pressure when I use the touch screen. A light tap is all that's needed.
[G1 General] Black93300ZX:
We're talking about a phone that's a few weeks old dude... Don't act like it's been slammed shut for a year. The store is open 10-8 weekdays, so it has a maximum of 10 hours a day of usage, realistically it probably sees a lot less use than one that's owned by any of you. If it's creaking after a few weeks, there's a problem.
[G1 General] Black93300ZX:
Because I was considering buying the phone, so of course I'm going to see if it's sturdy. I wasn't man handling it, but I just pressed around the hinge to test for freeplay, as anyone would with any new phone. Damn, the thread was merged, I'm not gonna go back and read 5 pages. Half of the people have agreed that the build is poor and it creaks and the other half act like there's never been a possibility of any G1 being treated well and still creaking, so take a hint, it happens.
[G1 General] Black93300ZX:
I can't get insurance because T-Mobile's coverage sucks nuts. It puts my address in the "1 bar zone" with no service surrounding me, behind, to the right and to the left. In fact, here, I'll show you... The girl at the store said I probably wouldn't get any signal inside a house at this address.

So even if the G1 was rock solid I'd be using it on AT&T, and for Android it'd be worth it to give up 3G... I'm just not sure I can spend $368 (no contract price) plus price of an unlock knowing that the device has had quality control issues and I can't get insurance.
[G1 General] im.l0ltn:
If that's the case then i wouldn't suggest you getting the G1, it being flimsy and all. You should get something that's worth your money. Android is awesome but the build quality of the G1 isn't great. For some reason HTC decided to screw us over on this one.
[G1 General] Black93300ZX:
Exactly, which is why I'm using my damn SE w810i (not a smartphone) and waiting for an Android phone to come to AT&T. It'll come eventually... ;-)
[G1 General] MindEracer:
For what it's worth... I currently have 2 G1's in my house hold and neither one have the creek. Even after heavy use and abuse.

But when I went to store, after ordering them, to test it out the store model creeked a lot. So maybe the early release models have a creeking problems.

I'm not sure were I saw it but there was video/thread on how to fix the creek with a simple When I find the link agian Ill post it here.
[G1 General] neoobs:
I found a new site for you to put your issues with the phone on... try

http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/list
[G1 General] djkdawg:
why dont you just go get a windows mobile device and that way it is compatiable with other software that is owned by microsoft, for example, exchange server, this is a damn phone you dont need no VPN and if you really do, then once again go get a windows mobile device, this isnt a windows mobile device so no need for a firewall, this is not a business phone, so get a windows mobile device, i mean remote desktop, wtf, go buy a laptop, the screen is too small for all of that
[G1 General] creiz:
Sir, the thread starter DID NOT MEAN TO FLAME on the g1. he's only stating FACTS that can be PROBLEMATIC TO BUSINESS USERS, and MAKE IT EASIER FOR A DEVELOPER TO PINPOINT AND FIX THOSE.

He means no harm to the G1. If I were a developer, i would drool over threads like this, as this give me a great insight on what to develop next that would be useful to the community.

With that said, please stop flaming. Read the thread like you're supposed to, and you won't look like a donkey making irrelevent statements.
[G1 General] haitiankid4lyf:
first of all the G1 is not stupid (far from perfect bu definitely not stupid)

1) OK you can't do that yet but there's bound to be an update that will allow us to do that

2) yes it does if you start typing on the keyboard the address bar automatically appears, also why would you want the address bar to always be shown making the viewing size much smaller, and there will most likely 3rd party browsers

3)using terminal emulator then typing 'ps' then typing 'kill <pid> will kill the process,also android handles the six process very efficiently

4)going to settings->about phone->status shows you battery level you can use anycut to make a shortcut to it

5) my contacts and calendars are synced to my outlook, and my wmdevice, using: my.funambol.com

6)why would you want to do that, also rc29 update fixed that

7)yes there are plenty, Bender(my favorite) glance and Androidfilemager

8)i also agree with this but i bet that there a program for that on the way, in the mantime using this thread http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=441063 will help you to encode vids and they play very nicely on the G1

9)it'll be there soon enough how many phone do you know came preloaded with flash???????? how long did it take WM to get flash?

10)might be a hardware problem but there is probably going to be an update that give the camera options such as coloring and video recording(something you should have listed)

11)i dont get what you're saying here; if you go to setting->applications->manage applications you see list of all apps on phone if you go to market-> my download you see the apps you downloaded

12)have you ever need it??? i had the phone for like 3weeks never froze also that hole on the bottom to the left of the charging slot(with screen facing up) might be it or the mic

im not bashing you for anything just pointing out some mistakes and showing how much the G1 improved in a under a month
[G1 General] brooklynite:
One more reason to Salute Microsoft to contributing so much to the computer industry and economy in general by destroying all Linux, OS/2 and Apple OS bull**** in the market. Thank you Microsoft for eliminating crappy products like Novell Network and DRDos from the planet, our economy wouldve been much worse if it wasnt for you. My production is much better than 10 years ago thanks to all the bells and whistles and detail MS has thought of in Outlook, Excel and other products. I think we NEED Linux laptops at Bestbuy so that Linux is completely known as a POS and ABANDONED for life just like POS Andriod, Symbian and others will be. Smooth sliding and bright beautiful screen doesn't do it Mr. Google. You need quality product and what the heck, charge for it, why free? Its not like we are getting the phone any cheaper or profiting from it because you are giving HTC/T-Mobile a free OS, WE ARE STILL PAYING FOR THE FREE OS and HTC/T-Mobile are pocketing the difference. I paid $50 for my WING and loved it and it had MS licensing for WM6 included in the price. I payd $197 for the G1. I dont like the WING because its DAMN annoyingly SLOW at 200Mhz but I can even VNC to my computer screen and tether all over the place and hack the hell out of the phone with the 5.99 with proxy server usage which I am sure T-Mobile knows about it. I can use PDF files, open Excel spreadsheets and MUCH MUCH more like basic sync with Outlook.

I can't even use the camera on this phone or sync with Outlook. Hell I cant even bring my contacts into the phone from Gmail.com as a lot of stuff CHANGE halfway through! Cant even edit an email or copy and paste a sentence from it to somewhere else. COME ON, I know you want to just be different Mr. Google, but you eliminate Copy and Paste conceptually? thats pure dumb. Name is something else like Firefox calls Favorites, Bookmarks.

This phone cant play Divx, FINE, make it at least Play h.264 file for goodness sake which has supposedly HARDWARE support for it, my ass it does, I have thrown many h.264 files and none of them play on it except for those MADE FOR iPod/Zune that I have got from torrent to test the unit. Then again those iPod made videos don't play right on the PC.

What the F* Google?:mad: