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[Touch Pro, Fuze General] DrunkenOstrich:
Well, I went and exchanged my Fuze today for another one. I must admit it seems to be working a lot better. At first it wasn't, but after using it a while it is now reasonable. For now anyway. It's still not as fast as my BlackJack II, but it is at least working, which is more than I can say for the one I returned.

Earlier, I was trying to get a speed report on dslreports.com/mspeed, and it kept saying that it was invalid test on the 1MB because it was too quick (1.4 seconds), ironically.

I'm still not sure I trust this phone. I might try RomeOS now that I know I can flash back to stock ROM if I need to return.

Maybe the Epix will be OK for now until the X1 is out.

I'm going to do some dslreports testing and compare to the BlackJack II from the same spot, will post up.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] DrunkenOstrich:
Test Results

Well, here's the results of the testing. Unbelievable. This is with a "3G" connection. Granted it's in my apt, but my other phones work in here. I did a bunch of tests with each phone, my Fuze and a Blackjack II. These were all done within a few minutes of each other from the exact same location (my couch, LOL) using the same SIM. I'll try more tests tomorrow from a better location, maybe I'll go to Fullerton as another member here posted he got awesome HSDPA speeds there.

I did these from http://www.dslreports.com/mspeed and most did not work on 100k, they gave the error "unstable or too fast results" so I'd go up to 200k or 1MB.

First the Fuze (in succession):

100k:

74 kbit/sec

0.647s latency

11.41s d/l time

100k:

too fast- 1.99s

200k:

188 kbit/sec

0.703s latency

9.188s d/l time

100k:

48 kbit/sec

4.23s latency

17.215s d/l time

100k:

57 kbit/sec

0.762s latency

14.777s d/l time

100k:

72 kbit/sec

0.707s latency

11.804s d/l time

Then the Blackjack II (in succession):

100k:

too fast - 0.41s

200k:

too fast - 0.567s

1MB:

761 kbit/sec

0.103s latency

10.681s d/l time

1MB:

too fast - 1.484s

1MB:

411 kbit/sec

0.161s latency

19.977s d/l time

1MB:

unstable / too fast result

1MB:

unstable / too fast result

100k:

unstable / too fast a result

1MB:

unstable / too fast a result

So you can see that the Fuze is abysmal. For some reason I kept getting that weird error result. On the BJ it just stopped working after a while, but I was still able to browse to pages just fine. In fact on the Fuze, I can't even load Gmail usually at all, so I went to it on the BJ after these tests and it came up and loaded instantly.

I am not pleased. I think we should also post our ROM versions. Someone else thought maybe ATT imposed a limit of some kind (I can't see how they could limit it this bad, from a business point, but I wouldn't put it past them). Maybe the people with just fine connections have older ROMs, pre-limited. Just a thought.

Here's my info:

ROM: 1.95.502.5 WWE (10/20/2008)

Radio: 1.02.25.32

Protocol: 52.39c.25.22H

SPL: 1.95.00.00

I really really want to like this phone and make it work. But even though this replacement is better than the first one, it's still not usable as you can tell. It does happen to have all the same ROM versions as the prior one.

Please post up similar info guys, speed test results, and your phone ROM versions, etc. To find that info, you can look in the bottom right when you first boot up the phone, and also go into Start->Settings->Phone(?), somewhere in there you'll find it.

If anything, we will document this enough to force ATT to fix it.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mcdover:
I'm running NATF's rom and getting decent speeds here from my house, 1400, but I have noticed that I have less connection bars that my Tilt. I've always had 4 bars here at home on the tilt, but the Fuze will drop to 3 and 2 bars sometimes. I'm not getting anywhere near the reception with the Fuze as opposed to my Tilt, so I'm thinking it's got to be an antennae problem.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] wmm:
I'm getting approximately the same displayed bars from my house as I was getting on my 8525; however, the Fuze seems to be performing better with that displayed signal strength. That is, I frequently got drop-outs in certain parts of the house with the 8525; with the Fuze, I don't believe I have heard a drop-out in the five days I've had it.

I did a couple of speedtest runs this morning sitting in my car waiting for someone; one was 1260 kbps, the other 1450. I certainly can't complain about the speed.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] fuybjeans:
I'm definitely getting slower speeds with the Fuze (compared to my 8525). This is my second Fuze this week, and it's the same. Doesn't matter which rom I use.

When I run the dslreports speed test, I can get as high as 1200 and as low as 300. It seems to have trouble maintaining the signal and fluxuates non-stop. Sitting in the same chair, I swap the sim into the 8525 and it locks into 3g with a full signal. Despite what the tests say, I can tell the Fuze has connection issues just by surfing. Running google maps is a good test (zooming in and out using satellite view).

The 8525 had many radio updates and it's definitely better than when I first got it 2 years ago. I'm hoping we don't have to wait that long, but we might just have to be a little patient and wait for these Radio updates.

I'm currently using the stock .32 (I saw no difference when I tried to use .28)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] asingic:
After doing a clean ROMeOS load, I'm getting 'H' and 1400 Down, where I am getting BAD reception ... Awesome!!!. I just have to figure out what I screwed up in the future.

I'm happy again.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Injun:
I have a tilt and got to play with the Fuze for a while. It was fun and the keyboard is much improved. Thinner and lighter and much more fun. They are updating the software on it now to try and cure the problems. Hope the changes work cause it is a great phone.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] McHale:
same problems here. I am getting significantly worse signal strength with the Fuze than I do with the Kaiser. Also, I work in a Chicago suburb where I get H without fail. Even though I have HSDPA enabled and the Icon enabled, I am not getting H - ever. I have seen it briefly when I was much closer to the tower, but not since.

I'll keep the phone but I'm getting a much better browser experience with the Kaiser. I'll run speed tests between my Kaiser, Fuze, and BJII this week and see what happens.

I'm disappointed with this thing...

-Mc
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] DrunkenOstrich:
Can you substantiate that? Do you work for ATT? Just trying to get some confirmation because this is a great phone that has major potential but I can't keep it if the software doesn't get fixed. My data rates are unusable, and the phone is sluggish.

I find myself putting my sim back into my Blackjack II all the time and that's not a good sign.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Thongvilay:
Rochester ny test

I'm getting:

1511 kbit/sec

0.353s latency

5.761s d/l time

Got my Fuze yesterday and running NATF ROM.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mviana:
The LBC in CA

I called CS at ATT and they sent some data packets to my Fuze that I picked up yesterday and it doubled the internet speed that I am getting. I was barely getting somewhere in the 300's and now I'm getting the mid 650's consistently. It's not the smokin' speeds that some of you are getting but it works faster for me.

The guy said that sometimes they need to send these packets and then the internet will run faster. i don't know/care if it's BS, but it's faster now and that's all I care about.

FASTER=:)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] adamantypants:
I was getting 1000+ speeds yesterday but I'm averaging 5-600 again :(
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] DrunkenOstrich:
I was in Long Beach earlier today and tested mine out. (although I have not called to get these "magic packets" sent) and was getting around 600k. Here in south OC I only get like freaking 100k. It's unusable.

Now, getting back to those magical unicorn packets. If they actually did do something to your phone (which I doubt), then the theory that ATT has intentionally crippled this phone to avoid pulling an iPhone on their network gains some traction, and maybe they have some back door to do a reg edit or something that uncripples it.

I may try calling CS tomorrow and see what they say. Not looking forward to that four hours of my life being gone.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] 10332007:
Im getting around 1mbit / 1.1 mbit tops at .494s latency, seems a little slow for 3g / HSDPA but much faster than the edge I had before lol.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] McHale:
Ran speedtest (from iPhone test and regular mobile speed test) and my speeds were under 300k even though I had excellent signal strength. Popped the SIM out, tried both my Kaiser as well as my BJII and the speeds were well over 1 meg.

Since following the 3G on the TouchPro thread, it makes me wonder if they didn't do a good job making it US compatible. The Kaiser has the Radio for US/Europe coverage. The Touch Pro is EU and the Fuze is US with a slight variation hardware wise to make that possible. Me thinks it's not firmware or radio related.

I never thought I'd say this, but it looks like the Fuze is going back and I'll stick to my Kaiser until the next big thing. I'll give it another week and see what kind of progress we make with it though...

-Mc
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] p51d007:
1000~1200 on this end...AFTER I hacked to get [H] to stick.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] slyng1:
NYC (downtown)

I just ran 2 tests. I'm only getting like 2 bars in downtown Manhattan.

I got 499 & 436. Meh...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] colorado_al:
At testmyiphone.com I get 1.1 Mbps.

I have also tethered my PC using WMWifiRouter and get good results:

Average 1.1 Mbps at speed test.net
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ghost13:
i dont know what settings i changed but my internet speed is beyond slow. it takes 5 minutes to open the dslreports test page!!! is there anyway i can change back any settings that might have changed the speed! i am in the nyc area so i have full 3g all the time
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] TurboX2:
i got 2.0 mbps down using speedtest.net with [H] enabled

the ISP registers different than on my tilt thou.. im still connected via WAP.CINGULAR.. dont get it,, maybe we have a new tower??

im happy about these speeds thou
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ghost13:
if i do clear storage will that undo my registery changes that way i can get ym dl speeds back to 895 bc right now its soooo slow dslreports states im not dl anything!!!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
has anyone called at&t about this? i think thats wht i'm going to try, and if not, i'll be returning the fuze and maybe getting a new one. i'd really like the salesperson to take my fuze and load the same site on an iphone 3g or a bb bold and tell me that my device is as fast. its just not right. if they give me problems, i'm going to cite slower than advertised 3g speeds, and horrendously long gps locking times. the lack of "real" 3g speeds is truly disappointing for a first time data-planner.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] asingic:
Well Unless someone comes back with some miraculous radio upgrade, the FUZE is going back. the connection speeds are too inconsistant and too slow compared to my BlackJack II.

To think that they would release this with this type of performance ...

I love the phone other than the performance of the Data.

I do want to make sure I'm doing this right. . . the black jack has the special connector and you use the ATT communication manager; with the FUZE you use the USB cable and you use the internet sharing connection
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] DrunkenOstrich:
Unfortunately I'm in the same boat. I waited for so long for this phone and am so disappointed. I know that if the data speed issues were fixed it would be dynamite. But it's useless to me right now. I'll go back to my BJ II or get an Epix.

Might try one last stand and throw the NaTF ROM on there, but saw in another thread that a user tried to go back to the ATT stock ROM that's on here and it just kept freezing up, nervous I won't be able to get it back to stock for return.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] californiarailroader:
I have a Touch Diamond US Version (exact same hardware as the Fuze/Touch Pro) and I am having the same thing happen to me here in the Ukiah, CA (115 miles northwest of San Francisco) area. I kept trying to run the dslreports.com speed tests today in town, and everytime it would go to download it would pause, then drop back to EDGE, very annoying! I have also noticed reception is lower on this than it was on my Tilt. I am going to try another Radio ROM and see if that helps.

Edit-EDGE speeds are actually a little better on the Diamond, but I can't test 3G due to the reasons explained above. I live about 8 miles north of Ukiah, and about 2 miles north of where the 3G ends, so I can only test EDGE out at my house.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] californiarailroader:
That would infuriate me, and I'm sure a lot of others if that is true.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] DrunkenOstrich:
The other thing interesting to note, is that your Diamond has stock HTC (not ATT) firmware and software. So if its behaving in the exact same way, then maybe the issue really is with the phone. It's so weird that some people have blazing fast speeds with this phone, and others have abysmal slow speeds. Maybe it comes down to the combination of this phone and the towers in your area working well together or fighting eachother.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ghost13:
ok guys this is pretty crazy but i was having lots of issues with my phone after i did a few registery hacks!!! so i hard resetted my phone and now on a stock att rom with no registry hacks i am getting 3g speeds of 1038+ everytime at dslsppedtest at 1MB!!! i dunno what the hard reset did but it sure worked:D
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] californiarailroader:
I sure hope it's not the hardware, though if it is I hope HTC would do the right thing and issue a recall and replace the handsets. I am going to try another Radio ROM and see if that makes a difference.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] DrunkenOstrich:
Please report back after you do! I hear the Blackstone radio is decent and so is the Diamond radio. I think you need to get the phone completely unlocked though for that, requires going to some dude here on the forums called Olio or somesuch.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] californiarailroader:
I notice I already have HardSPL 1.93 on it, would I have to put another one on to flash a Radio ROM?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] McHale:
HTC isn't really known for "doing the right thing" thus the reason for the class action lawsuit on the video drivers for the Kaiser a while back. Don't get me wrong, because of the hackability of HTC's phones, they are what I primarily buy, but it looks like the Kaiser is still the phone to beat.

What's odd, for the week I owned the Fuze, I never felt like it was better than my Kaiser, only smaller and kind of a PITA for some things. Now that I'm using my Kaiser again, I'm enjoying my phone again. Odd (and nerdy), but true.

After a while when this thing gets put through it's paces, I may pick it up again, but by then, HTC will have announced the next big thing and I'll probably end up waiting. I really wanted the Blackstone (HD) so maybe one with a keyboard will come that's US friendly soon.

-Mc
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] cparkhorn:
Different location

So I'm from Austin and was getting 1.3 to 1.4 download on the fuze. I'm in Orlando, FL and am getting 1.3 up to 1.5 and 1.6 download. It jumps around a lot, sometimes down to the 450k to 550k range. I put my sim in my 8525 and the results were also back and forth big time, although I don't get the 1.5 range(can't remember if this has HSDPA capability?) but the consistency in speed is all over the board.

I plugged in my laptop and ran internet sharing on the fuze, and I went to speedtest.net and got much more consistent results, from 1.9 to 2.2 down, and the screens while surfing snap, really fast and really consistent. Uploads were in the 500 to 600 range.

I'm not sure what that would mean, but in Opera on the phone I just think it's not a great program, at this point. A lot of sites take a long time, a lot of stuttering. Heck, PIE is a lot faster on my phone.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] iceman4357:
Both checked at dslreports.com/mspeed

OPERA-850 for me in st.louis city on my fuze. Dont think I can even turn on my HSDPA to get it working. Are you guys using advanced config to turn on HSDPA?

IE- 1135 same location.

OPERA- Tested again for fun...resulted 1135.

Conclusion: Maybe tower strength or something. I tested all of these sitting at my desk in St.Louis within 5 minutes of each other.

Stock ROM with AT&T bloatware BS Stock radio.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] semlohde:
Would you folks getting these better than 1000kbps look into your registry and see what you have set for HKLM\Software\OEM\RIL\DisH . I saw where someone posted using 2 so I changed mine to 2. Nothing better. I've tried 1 and 0 but still hit 300-550 and get 1100 only on my WiFi. Tried a 9 and 8 also but nothing changed. Soft resets, power offs, removed the battery - zip for any changes. I have 2 H bars, changing that reg to allow the H to show but don't see anything better than G. I have a 2 year old BJ1 doing what this thing is - and it's not $300. Nothing seems to be able to change the speeds. You either DO have it or don't. I'm going to the ATT store now and try it inside their place. They have a repeater in there so I should get about as good as it's going to get anywhere! ed
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] baires:
Can you say CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] wmm:
Mine is 1. Performance at my house varies a great deal, but I've seen 1400+ and got 1100 right after I looked in my registry just now.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] adamantypants:
Nothing I've done so far helps my HSDPA speeds. I've tried setting the DisH setting to 0, 1, and 2. For a brief moment I was getting 1000kbs speed but 10 minutes later I dropped back to 500kbs. Actually, when I had it set to 1 (disabled), I was averaging higher speeds than "HSDPA".
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] 10332007:
I have an okay signal at home, and I have seen it go from about 800 - 1100 there which was pretty good. From school I ran a quick few tests and averaged about 6 - 700 from there. One or two tests dropped down to 400 - 500. I'll need to run some more tests and some with it tethered and see what it will hit.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] baboola:
so I think a lot of this signal/speed thing is location dependent? I'm in Harrisburg, PA and I've been getting around 600 and sometimes down to 400s. I just tried my friend's iphone 3g, which produced similar, but slightly higher results. I'm also running ROMeOS 1.40.

edit: I just ran the test again and now i got 1242. I think it has a lot to do with how congested the network is and how "available" data connection is in your area. I'd encourage you all to go to local AT&T store and ask to compare the the speed with another Fuze (maybe the store manager's!). I really like this phone and I feel terrible for those with bad experiences. Hope you guys will get a fix soon. Btw, my DisH came with a value of 2 (guess it was set like that with ROMeOS). GOOD LUCK!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] DrunkenOstrich:
I typically am getting like 150kbps on this phone, usually it just times out before even loading a page.

Junk.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] McHale:
I ran the tests over and over and had horrible results every time. I finally pulled the SIM and placed it in my Kaiser and I can't describe the joy that overcame me from the H icon and "too fast choose a larger file" results. That was the minute I boxed the old one back up and took it back. After explaining to the AT&T rep what the H was and why I was mad I never saw it, he waived the $20 restocking fee.

The AT&T forums also has a thread about the slow data speeds:

http://forums.wireless.att.com/cng/board/message?board.id=cingular&thread.id=108522

I'm hoping a "cure" can be found so I can rebuy this thing. I really liked it!

-Mc
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] DrunkenOstrich:
Same here. I really want to love this phone, was really waiting a long time for it and it's such a let down. ATT has ruined yet another good thing.

I went back to my BlackJack II and it's fast, stable, and gets great data speed. Not feature rich but hey it WORKS.

I will re-buy this if it gets fixed.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Tempest790:
I did change the DisH registry entry to "2" and it stuck. For me, I see consistent 1200+ with a strong signal and 800-900 with a marginal one. I wonder if other factors in the phone are causing the slowdown?

Also, does anyone know if the Fuze supports 7.2 mbps HSDPA or 2.0 mbps HSUPA? That was in the original specs, but someone said that it's only 3.6/384. If so, that's a big letdown.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] McHale:
If it's only 3.6, then I definitely have no reason to upgrade from the Kaiser and will wait out the next best thing.

I'm *SO* bummed...

-Mc
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] californiarailroader:
My Touch Diamond (Unlocked, US GSM Version) supports 7.2, that's crazy if AT&T cut out support for that!

I am seeing conflicting reports for the Fuze, some specs say 3.6, others say 7.2.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] baboola:
we all know AT&T 's network will never reach 7.2 anyway :D

not with all the iphones hogging all the network. wait til AT&T enables tethering for them...then it'll be a war for data speed.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] asingic:
I've noticed that the icon goes from either H or E. but never jumps to the intermediary 3G icon? Is this normal? I thoght in terms of speed its H -> 3G -> E

If this is the case is there anyway I can make it go negotiate between the three instead of two?

does a proxy through cinglar make the data connection faster or slower?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] McHale:
Well, with my Kaiser, I'm getting anywhere from 1200 to 1500. My Fuze never got close to 1000. I agree that AT&T will never see 7.2. I'm still waiting for that H icon to appear when I'm near my home. *THAT* may never happen as well.

And the Fuze may very well support 7.2, but I didn't want to get stuck with the phone only to find out that AT&T bastardized it's hardware like they did with the BlackJack and Blackjack II (should have had WiFi). I'm assuming we'll know shortly everything there is to know about the Fuze. But after using it I think I can safely hold out for HTC's next new iteration. The idea of the Blackstone with a keyboard (or even without) intrigues me).

-Mc
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] californiarailroader:
I'm still waiting too, 3G ends about 3 miles south of my place in Calpella, and extends south into Ukiah and Talmage. We are a former Edge Wireless area (AT&T Affiliate), who was bought out by AT&T late last year in merged into them this April. Edge turned 3G up in many places, parts of Mendocino, Lake and Humboldt Counties here in CA, parts of Southern Oregon and in parts of Southeastern Idaho, but since they got bought out 3G expansion has slowed to a dead stop. Edge was oriented towards rural areas like mine, in fact, they only served rural and small towns, but I think now that we're now AT&T they consider us pretty low on the Totem Pole.

I googled HTC Blackstone, most think it's the Touch HD, which will not be released in the US. There is the HTC Dream too, which T-Mobile has as the G1.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] californiarailroader:
http://www.welectronics.com/gsm/hTC/HTC-TOUCH-HD.HTML

There's the Blackstone.