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[Amazfit] orlac70:
Hi,

I want to share with you my very bad experience with Amazfit Bip S.

Just in case you are thinking to buy one of their device.

I bought this device for monitoring my indoor swimming session and outdoor running so far, after more than one month of almost daily usage, I can say that it not a good at all.

Totally useless.

- Error in counting distance/turn is sometime embaracing. Usually error is about 20% and sometime it reached 40%.

- Not able to recognize any stroke type.

- hearthbeat is usually underestimated a lot.

- easily goes in pause during the swimming session creating in you an huge stress because we have to continuosly keep an eye on display for avoiding it.

the only good feature is the long lasting battery but I think it is not enough for buying it...

- distance is quite approssimate.

Moreover, I contacted the Amazfit Support and, sorry to say, it is evn worst than Bip S.

They start an infinite mail loop with a lot of log request.

Often, they also ask to collect something that cannot be done highlighting they are not aware about what they are askying. Really bad.

They proposed to me to replace with a better model but after 2 days, they refused to do it.

After a tons of useless mail they provide to you a different mail address that is supposed to better support you but in the reality they will start from scratch in askying for log, questions...

It is now clear Amazfit's scope is just waiting till you will be full of this stupid and useless support and then you will stop replaying.

So, in short, I lost my money for something that is not able to track water sport even if it is clear reported as possible in the device characteristics.

I do not expect this device performs like a more expensive one like Garmin or Apple but if it reports that swimming can be monitored then it is not true.

Save your money and change brand. Better to spend a bit more and not completely waste your money as I did.

LAst but not least, I'm very disappointed and frustrated with their Support.

It is completely useless and without any product competencies.

They are there just for taking time waiting you will be full of this approach and so will stop mailing

Terrible.
[Magisk] Shawerma:
I'm trying to install Magisk 24.3 on my Redmi Note 10S to hide magisk from Apex Legends, but every time I try direct install update from the magisk app, the phone reboots to magisk 23.0 again, everytime (Although I made sure the install logs show that 24.3 installs correctly). It's stuck on 23.0 and I tried reinstalling magisk several times but it doesn't fix it. I'm running on a custom ROM (LiteE) with Genom kernel (4.14.263 rosemary). How do I fix it and install 24?
[Magisk] PhotonIce:
install it via twrp
[Touch HD General] Barbo83:
Hi, I'm new ad I have a question for hd'users:

Have you note stripping problems?

I ask this because some italian users have note this after 3-4 days. They say that there are some chromate points on their hd.

Thank you.
[Touch HD General] TomPiXX:
Bounced Paint on the Frame

Hey guys,

I read something about scratches and damaged paint on the metal-frame around the HD.

What do you know about that? Anybody here who has this problem? :confused:
[Touch HD General] jon-:
[WARNING] they chip easily

So I've had my HD about a week now. I'll be the first to admit I've not used any pouch or protector but i've never needed to with any of my other phones.

I've been treating it with care, ie only thing in my pocket, not putting it in my bag or my car etc.

Just given the unit a quick once over and can see chips in the gloss black on the front in 3-4 places already.

Just thought I'd share. I don't mind my phones looking 'used' but if you like your phones to be flawless you're in for a challenge with the (assumed) cheap gloss coating.
[Touch HD General] indup:
stuff like this really gets my goat. you pay top dollar for a product and there shouldnt be issues like this.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Get something like invisible shield to protect the entire body.
[Touch HD General] indup:
thats my point, you shouldnt have to.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
The materials that they use are not good enough. Even iPhone, which is considered to have the best material using very strong glass from Russia, can be scratch. That's why even iPhone needs protection from scratch, although their paint do not seem to chip off.

Using the materials that they use for iPhone, I assume, would be more costly.
[Touch HD General] utvol06:
No, but the plastic on the backs of the iPhone 3Gs get stress fractures without any drops or pressure on them.

I don't ever use a screen protector. I treat my screen like I do a high dollar pair of sunglasses. only use microfiber clothes on it and I always use a belt case holder. I recently bought a Golla side pouch and like it a lot on how it protects it from all angles.
[Touch HD General] Jezwick:
me too, Ive had mine for 2 weeks though BUT don't have any chips, just one tiny scratch above the front speaker which I'm sure was me being drunk/careless ...
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Good to hear that it is holding out good so far. However, I personally would still put on the protective shield, more as a precaution.

Can't hurt, can it?
[Touch HD General] Boinng:
If you use the stylus at all, I'd always use a screen protector. It's too easy to just one day trap a sharp particle between the stylus tip and the screen as you go to handwrite, and then scratch it up badly before you realise.
[Touch HD General] Osir1s:
Well obviously glass can scratch and he's not suggesting his screen shouldnt scratch if its mistreated, theres a few ppl talking about the black area paint chipping, very reminiscent of the P3600i

HTC need to learn you cant promote a phone like this as a stylish new device and skimp out on essentials like this. My iphone 2G is a prime example of craftsmanship, I dont know how many times the back of it should be scratched and battered by now but it still looks damn good and quality.
[Touch HD General] multan:
Any photos to see??
[Touch HD General] TomPiXX:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=447898
[Touch HD General] paolonio:
On my HD TIM the paint is gone :mad::mad::mad::mad:
[Touch HD General] tnyynt:
Post some pictures!
[Touch HD General] nin2thevoid:
Mine is still in perfect condition, not a scratch, so no reason the paint would come off either.

Of course, I don't drop it, bang it into walls, store it in a pocket along with my keys, throw it around, etc

Got it for a couple of weeks now
[Touch HD General] tnyynt:
Same here!

No need to create panic, so I'm gonna give the guys a chance to post some pictures before I close this thread.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Second that. You have to show that you even have a phone in the first place.:D

But seriously, let's see how bad the situation is.
[Touch HD General] jon-:
Yep, check here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=448193

My paint is starting to come off.
[Touch HD General] RAP5:
Dude, that is aweful. It almost looks like the clear coat is peeling off. Wonder if they should try a dull rubberize type finish, like the Xperia X1i black models on the end caps.

For those who have had HTCs in the past this looks worse than the Trinity ( P3600 ) ever did...
[Touch HD General] Sallcho:
I've had the paint stripping problems too. Was arguing with orange and HTC for about 2-3 weeks, then I've send the phone to HTC and got the "strippy" housing replaced by warranty. From that moment, I use invisible shield all the way, but don't really like it. Anyway, phone's like new if I remove the invisible shield.
[Touch HD General] jon-:
will post some photos soon
[Touch HD General] paolonio:
This afternoon I'll post some pics.

Obviously, I do not use it like a hammer or something!!!!
[Touch HD General] tnyynt:
Merged 3 threads!

Still no pictures!!!

PLEASE SEARCH AND READ BEFORE POSTING NEW THREADS!
[Touch HD General] paolonio:
These are my pictures:

Mine was in this condition only after 48 hours of life. Always in the desk or in his HTC pouch, no drops, no hits, nothing... just peeled like a dry paint on a chromed bar...

Aren't so extendet (for now), but sincerely speaking, I can't consider a good pda for 600 euros ONLY !!!!

These are from another user in the Italian ForumHtc.com :

http://img179.imageshack.us/my.php?image=frontaleof5.jpg

http://img179.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lateralecg8.jpg
[Touch HD General] frustin:
looks like a key scratch to me. Four things:

1. the lines are roughly pitted with the same width and they are all in the same diagonal line.

2. the fact the paint is splayed in an outward pattern along the sides but not the ends of the pits suggests something (like a key) has been dragged through them.

3. this hasnt happened anywhere else on the phone apart from the end of the phone? the end, no doubt, that is outwardly facing when you have cover on. I know i have that end pointing outwards on mine, as i do not want to turn the phone on, so i have the button covered.

4. Wouldn't the most likely place that the paint would be coming off be around the area of the USB connection, given that that is where one plugs the phone in, to sync up/charge up the phone, often?
[Touch HD General] paolonio:
You can believe or not, I'm just reporting my case: no hits, no drops, no key.

Even my wife's hands haven't touch it ;)

Me too i was surprised when I've seen it on the other forum.

Same thinking, until it happened to me after few hours!

Box opened on november 20 @ 17.30 --> paint problem on november 22 @ 13.00
[Touch HD General] frustin:
i was not saying i didnt believe you, i am saying that it's highly unlikely that it just came off. it was probably done without you even noticing. They are small scratches after all.
[Touch HD General] dsm52:
The black HTC Trinity used to have very similar looking paint job on lower end and sides and it's basically all come off after around 2 years of general use.

My initial thoughts with the HD are that it's not as bad - no scratches on mine so far. From the pics uploaded so far they look like small dents rather than little stratches where the device has met with a rouch object made of a harder substance... and lost!
[Touch HD General] tnyynt:
I still have my good old veteran Trinity and doesn't have a scratch. Paint is perfect after 15 months of heavy usage!
[Touch HD General] grigsound:
Mine it's ok

As I've said, mine it's ok. I have the "Stone" for 3 days but still no chips...;)

Hope for the best.
[Touch HD General] jon-:
Mine is chipped in exactly the same place
[Touch HD General] jackthekayman:
mine too :/
[Touch HD General] nin2thevoid:
Not sure how relevant it is yet, but I am not so sure anymore of what I wrote earlier in this thread. Still no paint chipping of any kind yet, however, I have noticed that the metal areas are EXTREMELY easy to scratch. Why? Because I have it in the pouch ALL the time when transporting it, and I always lie it down on a paper block or a rubberized laptop stand at work, and even take care when putting in a USB plug.

But, despite being that careful, for some unexplainable reason the black areas are totally covered with hairline scratches, which is usually a symptom of a very thin or very weak varnish layer. Hairline scratches should not show up before actually scratching it with plastic or even metal objects, and certainly my fingers are not made of plastic or metal ?!
[Touch HD General] PelloG:
Are you satisfied with the quality of the glossy finish?

I want your opinion...The reason, why I started this Poll? Some Members of our german forum have some issues with the glossy finish....look here http://www.ppc-welt.info/community/showpost.php?p=1165806&postcount=103
[Touch HD General] PelloG:
It would be nice, if some of you with scratches or holes post pics of it.
[Touch HD General] nizzon:
Wow, this is disappointing.

Thank god im getting my Touch HD for free through my job, I dont think i would spend this much money on a device that probably will look like crap after a months use.

With the amount of phones HTC have made the last years, how hard can it be to get something like this right?

Sloppy. :(
[Touch HD General] TomPiXX:
It's not mine. But feel free to take a look:

http://www.ppc-welt.info/community/showpost.php?p=1165806&postcount=103

www.ppc-welt.info/community/showpost.php?p=1161858&postcount=30
[Touch HD General] PelloG:
pushhhhhhhh
[Touch HD General] kao123:
I treat my HD like an egg as quoted in the poll on this forum, it is always in a case, never been in my pocket with keys or coins, yet yesterday I noticed that there are 2 "spots" of paint missing from the right hand side, I am not impressed with this, I had a TYTNII for over a year and it never got scratched I have the HD about a month and already it is showing signs of wear and tear.

Not the best image in the world but I have outlined the 2 defects.
[Touch HD General] ardsar:
As a few of you have indicated the same marks in the same place, this is starting to point to a manufacturing process issue. I know that on the Touch Pro, members complained about scratches etc that were covered up with a marker pen. I suspect, HTC have also tried to cover up this issue and not been successful. Stongly suggest you contact HTC or where you purchased the phone and get a replacement. As more than one member has reported this issue, you could always point the seller to this thread if they claim that it was caused by miss handling.
[Touch HD General] ILikeFish:
Bah, my 6-day-old HD is now chipped, in the same place as shown in those photos.

It seems that once you have a very slight ding in that paint, it's incredibly easy to flake it off from the surrounding area.

J
[Touch HD General] donzx6:
Stylus access

Mine is chipped on the front, and also where the stylus goes in.

Not impressed for a 500 quid phone!

Just emailed HTC and Handtec (where I got the phone).

Will update with any responses I get.
[Touch HD General] donzx6:
Update....

Handtec have requested I return it.....

I guess the question is what do I do now?

I believe the paint thing (given so many people have the problem) is either a design or manufacturing fault, and the likelihood of it happening again is quite high.

I'd go for a touch 3g but no flippin' 3.5 mm jack.

Ugh! Why can't people test the basics before a product release?

Some may not be bothered by the chipping, but at this rate it will look cr*p within two months, and that is not on for £500.
[Touch HD General] donzx6:
Just a quick update....

I also got an email response from HTC asking me to return the unit.

Given the number of people who have this problem, it seems like either a design or manufacturing fault. I've decided not to bother with a replacement for now as I believe it will just chip again and I'll be in the same boat in two weeks time.

I'll wait until this is sorted properly.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
No, I think you should return it. HTC should be sent a strong message that it is not okay to produce device where the paint comes off too easily.

In fact, I think this will let them realise that it cost more to not give a good quality finish.
[Touch HD General] TTDegs:
design fault?

possible. For example, most car manufacturers now use water based paints for their cars. This has been proven to make them more prone to scratching. But it's more ecologically sound than previous methods, so they have been kinda forced into it.

If there is a similar issue with the HD (type of paint or whatever), then you are correct, they will all go the same way sooner or later.

Manufacturing fault?

Maybe more possible. There are without doubt a number of phones out there with scratches.

There are, however, a lot out there without scratches.

This may be becuase owners haven't had them so long, or have been (even) more careful, or any other number of reasons.

Or it might be that there was a rogue batch made where there was indeed a manufacturing fault - wrong primer used (or not used), wrong batch of paint, or whatever.

If that is the case, then getting a replacement may indeed solve all your problems.

Unfortunately, as the oldest HD in the wild is only what 2 or 3 weeks old, it's impossible to tell at this stage exactly what the problem is :(
[Touch HD General] sectorlord:
Looks like a bad early batch ?

Anyone post their SN of units having this problem ?
[Touch HD General] jon-:
What's the key combination to get the serial off the device?
[Touch HD General] ardsar:
Go into the phone dialer and type

*#06#

no need to press send/talk
[Touch HD General] Xarra:
Is that the IMEI number? You can also get it from System > Device Info > Identity
[Touch HD General] JMCS:
Could you share that e-mail with us???

It could be handy just in case.
[Touch HD General] PelloG:
next member issues...
[Touch HD General] jon-:
instead of bumping your own thread try looking here

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=445278
[Touch HD General] Deixi:
Oh noooo,

I'm in the club with paint problems too!!

i will contact htc and my shop tomorrow, let's see what they say!

here's a picture. it did not fall od bump into something. I just keep it in my pocket :(
[Touch HD General] PelloG:
Thnx for the advice...i havent seen this thread... very interesting. I was wondering, why i am alone here :)
[Touch HD General] PelloG:
FULL ACK!

I wrote an email to htc to inform them of the problems, we have in our german community. We will see what happends.

I have no prblems till yet but i am very very careful. I think the finish is very poor quality and thats an absolutely no go for such an expensiv gadget.
[Touch HD General] utvol06:
OMG a little scratch on my Touch HD..what ever shall I do? Anyone who uses something daily whether it be a phone, gun, or whatever is going to get knicks and scratches. It's normal wear and tear.

I have some fine hairline scratches, but thats it. It's just a phone.. not a faberge egg.
[Touch HD General] PelloG:
Thank you for your comment.

you are almost funny :)
[Touch HD General] Deixi:
My problems with the paint continue.... I now have multile little spots where the paint turnes lose. The seemed to appear over night as i made my last post yesterday evening. Today as i got my phone out if its bag i saw them. :(

lg Deixi
[Touch HD General] nin2thevoid:
I posted about hairline scratches earlier, but fortunately, this has not become worse... So far I got no paint problems, and I hope it stays this way.

Maybe it was a limited batch. Yes, quite a few people are affected by this, but the amount of people in this thread is relatively low... People without scratches don't all report to say they don't have scratches, which makes the poll very unreliable.
[Touch HD General] TTDegs:
paint which bubbles and flakes off definately sounds (to my untrained ear!) like a manufacturing fault - case was not properly cleaned before painting or some such.

Given that many people's HDs aren't affected by this, it could be a one off, or a batch of affected phones.

Either way, I'd be sending it back and asking for a new one :)
[Touch HD General] taipeiwalker:
same problems happened on my touch hd

link with pics.:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=451482

I am from western china, i got Touch Hd from clove, same Paint-stripping problems happen on my Touch HD,i have returned touch hd to clove today for replacement.

did u guys find this problem??

previous mail to Clove Tech. blew
[Touch HD General] JMCS:
I´ve got a small spot at my HD, I´ve just sent e-mail to Expansys for the second time to know what will they do about it.

In the first e-mail from them they give me the contacts of the Portuguese assistance...:mad:
[Touch HD General] arvindmd:
trying hd to down.

i saw the pic and it is a hard object that made that. its is not a chip off of the paint or fade.

the material of the coating is good. of course after 2 years of use, fading of the paint is expected. but this phone is just 1 month from its release.
[Touch HD General] Deixi:
so heres a picture of the new stains i doscovered this morning :(

there is no system, no pattern, behind the failure, i checked it under the microskobe, there is a little dot of paint left in every spot. i think its a manufacturing problem!!!

Deixi
[Touch HD General] Sallcho:
I bought it at Orange. Should i go to orange or write email to HTC for a replacement?
[Touch HD General] thedarkman:
Hello, I have the same problem, see the attacched image...

P.S.: Code HT843...
[Touch HD General] stef142:
I'm in the same situation since now:mad::mad:: there's a scratch near the display on the left side. It doesn't hurt anything at all. I called HTC and they told me that in a few days will answer how to proceed.
[Touch HD General] janny_buh:
How to read week-production:

Take a look at your box, you should read something like (for example):

HT843XXXXX

means it has been built on week 43 of 2008.

Alternatively you can take off the battery and read the code under it.

In this italian forum:

http://forum.telefonino.net/showthread.php?t=495543&page=7

we are trying to collect as many serials as possible, but at the moment we have just few data for making any correlation (week 43 seems the worst one :eek:)
[Touch HD General] janny_buh:
How to read week-production:

Take a look at your box, you should read something like (for example):

HT843XXXXX

means it has been built on week 43 of 2008.

Alternatively you can take off the battery and read the code under it.

In this italian forum:

http://forum.telefonino.net/showthre...=495543&page=7

we are trying to collect as many serials as possible, but at the moment we have just few data for making any correlation (week 43 seems the worst one )
[Touch HD General] donzx6:
Mine was HT844....

Sent back today
[Touch HD General] nin2thevoid:
HT844 here, solid as a rock so far. I noted some easy scratching earlier on but this only touches the varnish, not the paint it self and it certainly did not even close to punctured the paint. Also, it did not get notably worse in over a week's time. In other words: normal and would also happen just as easily to plastic, let alone paint. I made close up pictures so I can easily tell if the scratching or even paint damaging is getting worse, it doesn't, up till now (fingers crossed).

So far HT843 is reported as being the worst. To 844 people, are you *absolutely* sure it is not inflicted damage rather than paint just peeling off? The symptom is seeing small dots of paint inside the stripped area, indicating air bubbles under the paint. This process causes the paint to peel off even when just rubbing the area.

Just trying to make sure that all this pain stripping talk is not making people paranoid. Remember that on any phone, paint can come off easily by dropping it, scratching it with keys or even buttons on your jeans pocket, etc.

EDIT: Also, the amount of people who have no complaints about their phone in this thread's poll is getting bigger compared to the amount of people that report paint problems. This could very well indicate that it is a flaw in earlier models, and that recent models don't come with the production flaw.

Please all, take the time to find and post the serial initials, so we can draw some conclusions here.
[Touch HD General] Spheare:
Mine is HT844 and I've had it for two weeks now. I have one small dot and also paint totaly went off near a stylus cap.
[Touch HD General] TTDegs:
HT844 - scratch and bubble free - like new :)
[Touch HD General] donzx6:
Silly me, I forgot I'd used it as a bowling ball!

Please, I don't mean to offend you but do not offend me by questioning my judgement.

The paint is peeling off, the unit has been looked after, (as I have said in all of my posts) in the case whenever not in use.

Sorry, but the experience with MY device is that it has a poor quality paint finish which has chipped badly within two weeks of use.

For £500, I expect better, hence the return. As I stated in another post, I'd rather have had plain brown cardboard packaging with a good finish rather than a cool trendy box & a cr*p finish.
[Touch HD General] frustin:
HT844 - no scratches nothing and after reading this thread, I check daily.

it's making me nervous as hell though. i treat it like a "raw egg" though.
[Touch HD General] stef142:
mine is 843 and has scratch