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[Touch Pro, Fuze General] paypalbid:
yes. you may have to use diamond tweak to enable the HSDPA capability if you use ATT. I have Tmobile so it doesnt matter
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ScrapMaker:
I know some people that would be pretty happy to hear this--thanks!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] behrouz:
Ive been trying to get find a solution for the GPS problems but its so aggitating that the GPS will work perfectly when Im testing it out. Then when I do some real world testing like in Manhattan I can never seem to get a fix. Ive come to the conclusion that my backyard is the only place Ill get my GPS to work. :p
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] vamc.mc:
Wow..finally worked....i have been browsing this forum for a while for a gps solution and nothing worked....finally this worked and i am getting a fix in less than 30 sec and google maps and Tom tom works great....thanks a lot
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] incisivekeith:
GPS not functional on Fuze, worked earlier.

With stock ROM and none of the tweaks, the GPS on my Fuze worked for a couple of days. It did take a while to get a lock, maybe 30 seconds to a minute, but it did work. Since then, I installed PocketShield and that's the only application I remember installing after the GPS worked. Now, the GPS doesn't work.....

WORTHY UPDATE (just after typing the first two sentences in this post):

WELL...don't know what to say now...I just looked at the Fuze and the GPS is working ...argh..:)

Okay, so, in case someone comes across a similar situation, here are the steps I followed and then "unfollowed" (I know it's not a word):

A. With Advanced config 3.2

1. disable A-GPS

2. disable GPS logging

3. logfile name must be empty

4. old logfile name must be empty

5. maximum size of logfile must be 0

6. delete the files :

\windows\GPSLogFile.txt and \windows\GPSLogFileBack.txt

B. Then edit registry with TotalCommander

Under: HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\

* Drivers\GpsOneDevice\PollInterval -> 100 (default is 1000)

* Drivers\InputBufferSize -> 512 (default is 4096)

* Drivers\OutputBufferSize -> 512 (default is 4096)

* Drivers\SleepOnNoData -> 100 (default is 1000)

* Multiplexer\MaxBufferSize -> 512 (by default not present, you have to create it)

I did all of the above, and with GPS Test (after downloading QuickGPS data), I could not get a lock, no matter how long I kept it running. Then, I undid everything I did, created new files "GPSLogFile.txt" and "GPSLogFileBack.txt," which I had deleted, and then the only changes I made were these:

Disable AGPS in Adv. Config.

Max. log file size (HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\MaxLogFileSize): 32768

And, it is locking surprisingly well and quickly. I haven't tested it yet on a route, but these are my preliminary results. Fingers crossed.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] PalmPC:
Working GPS on stock ROM

I used stock ROM. The only mod I could recall was baud rate at 4800 (don't remember default). I get very good reception indoor and out, but did run into problems after resets. I finally found out toggling AGPS on/off solved the problem. Sometimes disable it make my GPS work. Sometimes enable it make GPS work. Sometimes it needs to cycle through on/off. I don't know why. But that seems to do the trick every time (I seem to have GPS issues frequently after soft resets, though not always).

Hope it helps.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] cincy1020:
Just thought I would post a quick repl to this. The steps did not work for me. I did however find part of it useful. I now use the settings found here: http://blog.mohdimran.com/2008/11/htc-touch-pro-gps-problem-tweaking.html then I use QuickGPS, and then GPSTest.

Seems to work well for me.

I hope this helps someone :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] itchytweed:
I have had the Fuze for a couple of weeks now. Nice phone but made better with ROMeOS2 1.81.

Now on to this "lag" issue. If I am repeating some previous info from within this thread, my apologies. From me using this unit, I see two lags here: 1) Time to position lock, and 2) Positional delay when moving or starting up.

First, time to position lock. Multipath and obstructions have more to do with interfering than do clouds or rain. The GPS receiver has to find out where the satellites are in orbit, commonly called the "ephemeris" and this is had from the satellites in orbit. Once the processor knows which birds are present and where, now the data streams have to be decoded and syncronized. Depending on how out of date the data is in the GPS, this can take from a few seconds to many minutes to get as the ephemeris is not sent all the time. That is why they have the QuickGPS option to download the emphemeris and give the GPS set a kick-start. So, the varying start up times can most likely be attributed to the chipset getting its "bearings" before spewing data. I wonder if the current ephemeris is stored and used on the next startup but I would hazard a guess to say no to that.

Now on to the positional lag issue. It is there, at least in my unit. I was running Turbo GPS and iGuidance v.3 for this. After letting the Fuze sit in place for about ten minutes, I took a walk around the house. No change in recorded position yet the signal was good. So, I ventured outside - Brrrrrrrr.

The GPS did not start talking a different tune until I had walked about 50 feet at 2.5 MPH. After that, the GPS was just about 3 seconds behind where I was. This was found by walking a square path and snapping the turns. After each turn, the unit needed 3 - 4 seconds to show which way I was going. The displayed position change was not bang-bang but took the three seconds to get to the direction that I was walking in. The only time that I got a good, quick response was on an about-face and that registered as a abrupt direction change. Stopping, I get the same 3-4 second delay before the unit showed zero speed. I also get the same results in the car, the same 3-4 second position delay so I doubt that it is display oriented in nature.

So, even though the chipset may be spitting out dddmm.mmmmmm posits rather than five decimal posits, I do find the delay to start putting out data when starting to move and being behind consistently to be quite annoying for traveling and geocaching. I have to think about five seconds ahead of the unit to compensate for its lag in data. The static delay in starting to move is also unnerving as well. My old Garmin GPS V boatanchor does a far better job than this GPS unit.

All I can say is that the GPSOne chipset and the software that is driving it really can't hold a candle to the SiRF Star III chipset in terms of usability. I do not know if this is the result of software or hardware but the results are truly disappointing.

This testing was done using iGuidance v.3, Turbo GPS 2.0, ROMeOS v. 1.81 WWE, and radio 1.02.25.32.

-- Itchytweed
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] beltonr:
Google Maps and GPS on Fuze

Tried it the same way bwzippy did on my new ATT FUZE. Worked like a charm. Same default settings on stock ROM, acquired 6 satellites in about 5 minutes, displayed my location within 90m. Super! Thanks!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] baladev:
Is there a way for me to make all the changes that Advanced Configuration Tool makes without installing it on my Touch Pro? I just really don't want to install .Net on my phone as it's soo big and for just one program to work seems like a lot to install.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] paypalbid:
i started using HTCGPSTool.exe instead of GPSTest to get TomTom to lock to GPS Quicker
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] DaveLinger:
The install is under 4MB of your available 200+.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] gixxeric:
Tired of this Stupid fuze

Love the phone..but I'm sick of inconsistent GPS. Never had this problem with the 8925. Does anyone know if other GPS programs work like Magellan. I'm using Tom Tom 7 and sometimes I get lock in 30 seconds..sometimes I don't even get a lock (this happens mainly when I need to use it asap, of course) Main reasons I got this phone is for GPS use. Useless..I have a solution. Chuck this Fuze and get another 8925.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] colorado_al:
The only way I have achieved good success was to switch to a new Radio ROM 1.12.25.19. Works way better for me.

See:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=491858

and

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=2822877
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Herman666:
Caveat to solved:

I only needed GPSTest (see below) to get my GPS working. I had to do something else too however. I had to disable AGPS. (Settings\system\AGPS). This may be because I had AT&T disable GPRS because I don't have a data plan and some of the installed FUZE software had a nasty habit of connecting without my permission and downloading expensive bits. Aside from that, follow the instructions in this thread and you'll be up and running. I get a lock in less than a minute.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] techkills:
wow this worked like a charm! thank you so much!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] eghoti1:
OP's directions worked great as soon as I did it and went outside. GPS Test locked in under a minute and Google Maps was working great. Thanks!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] smayst:
The new official ROM flash seems to solve the GPS problem

I've flashed the new official Fuze ROM from HTC and so far my GPS problems are solved: (http://www.htc.com/us/supportdownloadlist.aspx?p_id=198&act=sd&cat=all)

I've been using Windows Live Search, GPS Test, amAze GPS, and a GPS speedometer in the past few days, and without exception, it connects in less than one minute. No need to 'unlock' anything, AGPS can be enabled, and no priming is required. My QuickGPS is current, BTW. With the original radio even GPS Test sometimes used to take more than 5 minutes to connect; it's now almost immediate. :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] slapdaddy:
Absolutely agree with you on the locking issues being resolved. I can lock onto the sats in under 10 seconds consistently now with the new HTC stock ROM.

But the GPS lag still exists. :(
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] smayst:
I've noticed that there is a lag on GPS Speedo... maybe up to 5 seconds for it to catch up to changes in speed. I figured it was the software. I haven't used it for any navigation with amAze or Live Search. The old radio didnt work at all with iGuidance, so i havent even reinstalled it. I'll need to navigate somewhere tomorrow, so I'll test it with a couple of different nav programs.

Meanwhile, slap, what kind of lag do you experience?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] gregero:
Thanks a lot!!

I just got a Fuze and was about to return it due to its GPS giving me grief. I have been to many forums with no answer. I followed the steps here and voila! Thank you! Thank you! and Thank you!!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] darkreborn:
Thumps Up

Lol awsome
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] goodbyereality:
Thanks! This helped out big time. It took about 3 minutes to get an initial fix with GPS Test, and now Google Maps gets a fix within 10 seconds every time, even after a soft reset! Thanks a million!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] bolivar2:
I have read quite a lot of claims about how to get past the ATT lock on the GPS. This tread starts with a solution, but the poster says he isn't sure it will keep working and there is a lot of back and forth discussion throughout the thread. Plus this was posted in 2008 so things may have changed. My question is this:

Is the solution posted at the beginning of this thread a viable way to get the GPS unlocked? At the risk of starting a religious war, is it the best?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Fallon:
It just works these days

The past several ROM's I've used (Energy ROM for the past 2) & Radio 1.14.25.35 have just worked for me. I haven't had to fiddle with anything, it just works. No need to fiddle with various rilphone.dll's, any kind of tweaks, unlocks or anything.

The ROM cooks seem to have everything sorted out these days.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] bolivar2:
I have the stock rom. It is 1.95.502.5. I am a casual user so I am a bit intimidated by the rom stuff, but maybe I should think about it.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] PerfAlbion:
AT&T never locked the GPS to their apps (like Verizon did). The problem on the Fuze has always been slow satellite acquisition time. The OP is intended to speed up that acquisition and has worked. Installing the updated Fuze ROM also greatly improved the GPS issues (if you're still on the one that originally shipped with the phone).
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] bolivar2:
I was going to install the ROM today, but I have never synced this phone with outlook and I have calendar and contact data I want to save before updating. I just tried to sync it with outlook and it doesn't work. I keep getting errors. I have tried deleting and reinstalling Activesync and that doesn't help. (The error I get is 85010014)

Is there a backup utility I can use to save this data to the miniSD card and restore it after updating the rom?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] bolivar2:
I found a back up and have the new ROM installed. I will say I really don't see a difference, but I'll see as I play with it. HTC said it would have the FM radio. I had hoped it would be integrated into the touchflo and it isn't even there. I guess I will just install the cab again.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] bolivar2:
This isn't the appropriate topic, where would I go to ask about the problem I am having after flashing the ROM? Everything works great with one exception: When using the phone if start dialing with the number three then cprog.exe crashes. Start with any other number and it is fine, three in the middle and it is fine, but start with a three and it crashes. My work exchange starts with three so to call anyone at work (unless they are in contacts) I need to start with the area code and then dial their number.

And what started me out here, the GPS is working great.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] tinpanalley:
No matter what I do this doesn't work.

GPS test just freezes on yellow and all the little bards are at the bottom. Yes, I'm on the right COM port and baud rate.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] whistler4ever:
I have the same problem!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] wsgbane:
Changing my HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\Drivers\DriverName\CommPort from GPS4: to GPS0: fixed a problem I had with the GPS not finding the unit in my Fuze/Raphael. GPS Test would read "Looking for GPS Unit", now everything works fine.

Thanks for this!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
at your service :D

i couldnt find anything in there that added a "Turn the gps on for everything" registry key or anything...so i guess we just have to keep installing this piece of crap. has anyone tried uninstalling it and seeing if the gps still works?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] t3t5u0:
Telenav

Go to the Programs Tab and select 'all programs'. Scroll down to 'Get AT&T Navigator' and it will launch Opera and take you the AT&T Telenav page. The browser will seem to hang, but it isn't. It takes a minute or two to launch the cab download. Then save the cab and install.

The REAL question is, what switch,regkey, etc. is Telenav flipping on in the software and can we just manually enable the GPS without installing more AT&T bloatware. If possible, this needs to be enabled by default on all roms for the Fuze.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
<characteristic type="Registry">
<characteristic type="HKCU\Software\ATTNav">
<parm name="AppPath" value="%InstallDir%\ATTNav.exe" datatype="string" translation="install" />
<parm name="OSVersion" value="5.01 - 5.99" datatype="string" />
</characteristic>
</characteristic>

thats the only registry key/values it sets.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] alexmullins:
thanks alot m.carroll!! it worked like a charm. gps is unlocked and now get a lock instantly in google maps.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
any time. happy to help
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] anudewalrus:
Yea, worked for me too. Does anybody know if we uninstall the app if the GPS still works in other apps?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
i did uninstall it, and it worked still on google maps, with a soft-reset. the only question now is, will it last. i think it might just be that the telenav software gave a progress bar saying it was looking for satellites and now it's cached their signals. the real question is if it works in like a week or two.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Scoop3:
Shoudln't AGPS still work? it doesn't require satelites, and as long as your signal is dece, you should be able to triangulate...

I got it to work once or twice w/ g.maps, but it took a while, and once it locked it seemed like it was quite a bit off... *grr*

I haven't tried installing telenav yet, but I'll pro'lyl do that once I'm at home, and play w/ things a bit more...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thedogger:
I am using iNav iGuidance 4.02 with the Fuze without any issues. It's great navigation software, at least for the US.

There was an architecture change from WM6.0 to WM6.1 with GPS, and on all WM6.1 ROMS I have to install Franson GPSGate (http://franson.com/gpsgate/) and run that prior to starting up iNav. GPSgate will take the GPS signal in from COM4, and by default put it out on COM1 at 4800 baud. I set up iNav to look for GPS on COM1, and then I have no screen lag with the GPS software.

Certain newer GPS products can use an "intermediate driver" which seems to play the same function that GPSGate is doing, getting rid of the lag.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
sort of, to read more about aGPS, look here: http://wmexperts.com/articles/gps_vs_agps_a_quick_tutorial.html

but aGPS still needs satellites to work, its just supposed to be an infrastructure that helps connect to the satellites faster.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
this definitely is NOT a permanent fix. half an hour later, and about 100 meters away in a different spot, google maps could not find a signal. any other ideas?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] t3t5u0:
I uninstalled the app, soft reset and now I can't lock again. So how is this app interacting with GPS that Google Maps and MS Live! can't do? This sux... if we have to have lame AT&T trialware on just to get GPS, a workaround definitely needs to be a priority.

After uninstalling the AT&T Telenav app, GPS Test now says 'starting GPS' for 10+ minutes with no lock...

:-(
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] alexmullins:
bah. yea the gps will not work anymore for me. we need to find a fix for this. i wonder what the telenav app is doing that is locking the gps.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
i dont know quite what its doing, but i'm not sure if its locking it or not...

it shouldnt take that long to find a gps signal...even in telenav.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Nghiem:
BIG dissapointed

I could not get cold fix for less than 6 minutes! The hot fix took 1min 50sec! Unbelievable!!!

I tried to install the cab from m.carroll's post then telenav app got a fix with in 1 minutes, then I decided to soft reset the FUZE; start Tomtom and the painful waiting time to get a fix begins.

Tomtom Navigator 7.940 (9185) could see 8-10 satellites but they are grey out and will not turn blue until 6min xx sec later. Meanwhile, the GlobalSat Bluetooth GPS Receiver BT-359 got a cold fix in 38 sec and a hot fix in 4 sec.

Really don't know what's going on among HTC FUZE ROM, WM 6.1, and Qalcomm GPS chipset. Prior to the fuze, I had the tilt which could get a fix in less than 1 minute with WM6.0 then it jumped up to close 3 minutes. Now I will be happy if the FUZE take the same amount of time. :(
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] tt_ttf:
TomTom worked for me out of the box without having to do any telenav download

The issue I have is having worked ok for the first day, the next day and still today, the GPS drops in and out

There is something going on but given all the bloatware that is trying to make you sign up for extras, who knows what is going on.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] dantebucci:
I installed telenav, but never activated it (didn't log in or anything). The GPS still didnt' work.

I made some edits with advanced config and some reg edits based on a post i saw elsewhere:

Under: HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\

- Drivers\GpsOneDevice\PollInterval -> 100 (default is 1000)

- Drivers\InputBufferSize -> 512 (default is 4096)

- Drivers\OutputBufferSize -> 512 (default is 4096)

- Drivers\SleepOnNoData -> 100 (default is 1000)

- Multiplexer\MaxBufferSize -> 512 (by default not present, you have to create it)

After doing this, I seemed to get a good fix and it kept working until I turned off Google Maps. I tried again a day later and it's back to nothing... but I did uninstall Telenav in between...

I'm tempted to return it and get an iPhone...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] NuShrike:
This is redundant as the Qualcomm GPSone outputs its GPS signal on COM1 (internally) already. Intermediate Driver then proxys it to COM4 and GPD0 so they're the same. Use FDCSoft Taks Manager and check out the "devices".

COM4 is for older apps that only know about the raw COM interface rather than the new WM5 OS GPS services under GPD0.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Fallon:
More Fuse GPS problems

First thing I did after getting my Fuse was crack it and dump the Elite Team beta 1 ROM on it... GPS seems to be a bit messed up here as well, and all but completely non-functional. It took TomTom 7 a while to even figure out there was a GPS, but a couple of soft resets (and installing AT&T Navigator, duno if it or the resets did it) later it's finding it. The Elite Team ROM seemed to already have the tweaks from the TouchPro GPS lag problems thread in it.

GPS signal is almost non-existent. HTC GPS Tool pulls data from COM4 @ 57600 baud, but only got a fix for a few seconds once in almost an hour of testing. Typically I see 0-3 satellites with varying levels of signal.

It seems to drop the GPS signal every few seconds, like reported on the ATT Fuze GPS hanging problem.

I'm debating whether or not to dump the stock AT&T ROM back on it and see if it makes any difference. Anybody had any luck with stock vs. cooked ROMs for the GPS working?

Devin
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] posershadow:
yea, that is just like me, i immediately hardspl'd and went to romeos 1.40 and installed tomtom 7.450. it takes a little while for tomtom to pick up that there is a gps device, and then it just sits there not receiving a signal. quickgps is updated and all, and all of the registry edits for the lag problems are already made in romeos. i'm going to try a holux bluetooth gps receiver and see if it works, and then use that in the mean time while we figure out how to get the internal gps working again.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] starstreak:
I guess I should consider me lucky.

My TILT(unlocked and duttyrom) normally takes 3-6mins to get a cold fix. Hot fix can take 15seconds to about 2mins. I can get a fix indoors sometimes, and it seems to hold lock unless I'm in the city, where I need it the most. Once it drops, takes a few mins to get a lock. Needless to say, I was ticked when I didn't know where to turn next.

The Fuze, takes about the same for both hot/cold fixes. I don't seem to have the same pulling strengh to get a fix indoors. BUT I can get more connections. like 6-9 sats, when the Tilk got like 3-5. BUT I can go from 9 sat locks, to nothing, by moving the Fuze from my right hand just above my dashboard in my car to my lap. BOOM. Nothing. Grrr...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Fallon:
Attached is the image that I get, never actually gets a fix. If I leave it running for a while it seems to loose the couple it can occasionally see.

If the stock ROM doesn't work when I get to it tomrow I'm thinking I might return it and see if it's a hardware issue with just my device, or all Fuses.

Devin
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] intothevoid:
I using RomeOs and the GPS is some what slow in terms of getting a fix. But once it does get a fix in TOMTOM, it picks up the signal really quickly on Google maps (set to COM 4 Baud 38400) and live search (set to COM 4).
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] norkoastal:
:D First setting that made GPS work for me in either Google maps or live. Thanks