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[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Fallon:
I've gone back to the Elite ROM, and things seem to be working reasonably well now. Sometimes it takes a few minutes for TomTom to figure out what satelites to look for and a bit longer to finally get a signal, but it almost always seems to finally get working.

I still haven't figured out why I need to change GPS Test to Auto for it to find the GPS on COM 4, but just setting it to COM 4 usually doesn't work, but with TomTom finally getting signal on it's own that's not a big concern for me.

Elite has the tweaks form the GPS lag thread in it (no log files, etc.), but I've had some success with and without those settings. I've never seen the dreaded GPS lag lots of people seem to complain about, so I can't comment either way.

Devin
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] smayst:
Another way of looking at the problem?

What I've read in this thread has me wondering whether there's a problem with the unit locking on satellites, or whether the problem is internal communication, in how the GPS radio communicates with various programs.

The reason I think this is that Windows Live Search seems to work pretty well, with the occasional dropoff... but I also have iGuidance 4 (with the maps stored on my Storage Card) and it is acting VERY strangely. For example, even when it does connect to satellites, I don't get the usual signal strength indicators (it is supposed to show the strength for each satellite to which it's connected) showing me connetion status. Most importantly, while I get a link, the data stream doesn't persist for some reason... my position and current MPH aren't updated. When I tap on the map to pan away from my current position and then tap the icon to return to current position, I get my position and speed updated just once... again it doesn't continue updating.

This tells me that there is indeed a satellite link between the GPS receiver and the satellites, but that the nav program isn't receiving this information properly. I used to use iGuidance on my Tilt (w/ winmo6.1) without any problem, so it's not an OS issue. Can anyone tell if their issues might be related to this... if not I'm either off in my analysis of my observations or it's a problem specific to iGuidance.

smayst
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Da_G:
If you use a standard terminal program, or any other program that will relay the raw COM data, you can see it updates once per second as with most any other consumer-level GPS, so I don't believe there's a problem with the comms, so long as I cared to stare at the screen (~5 min or so)

That's not to say there may not be some other issue like the GPS Intermediate Driver not having a high enough priority, and choking out when the GPS program is using full CPU to draw the screen, however..
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] beemanbone:
+1

My GPS is flawless with the stock at&t ROM
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] brandirena86:
Fixed it!!

Wow, what's funny is that mine worked fine with Google Maps, but recently on my old Tilt I started to like the Live Search by Windows so put it on my new Fuze and it was having issues. But I tried this on it and it worked perfectly! Thanks for the info, it was a big help!!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] hopper13:
My Fuze was set that way when I purchased it, and aside for some occassional long periods to aquire an initial fix, it has worked well. I even get good reception in both of my vehicles with the phone down in a console cupholder.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] baboola:
too much work?

great job with finding the solution around the problem, but I'm wondering if there's an easier fix to this? such that we can just boot up Googlemap and start using GPS immediately?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] AssassinsLament:
The problem is usually just when "waking" up the GPS. Like on a power on/off or power reset. After waking up the GPS through various was, it doesn't usually have any problems locking after that, even after a day. Like I said, its just on power on/off or soft resets.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Enrique00:
GPS Issues

I tried the fix above, but that didnt work for me. I dont know if it hurt any, but this is what I did after I did the fix above. Install GPS Test (NATF's 2.1 ROM has it installed automatically), and then go to Settings/System Tab/External GPS and then make sure the GPS Program Port is set to COM 4. On the Hardware Tab, make sure the GPS Hardware Port is set to None, and I have my Baud Rate set to 4800. On the Access Tab, check the Manage GPS Auto Box. Then, go to GPS Test, start it up. Wait until it is completely done and it tells you that GPS is on.

Once this is finished, I went to Google Maps, and clicked on Use GPS, and it located the satellites immediately.

Once again, try the fix in the earlier post (installing Adv. Config 3.3, and changing settings), and if your GPS still doesnt work, try what Ive posted here.

I hope this helps!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] xeryus1907:
hi guys,

can you change the port and baud rate on hardware tab?

i cant.i change them, close the tab then enter external gps settings again its same none and 4800.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] markmensch:
no need to 'unlock the gps'. You can download a free GPS test tool called 'GPS Test' (search this forum) that won't give you a real fix, but will show which satellites you can hear, the show the signal strength of each.

Best solution I have found so far, is find somebody with MS Trips and Streets on their PC/Laptop, it has a free (included) 'mobile trips and streets' that will use your GPS on the Fuze just fine (when driving). You have to create your own mini-maps and copy them to your device, but I've made state-sized maps for all teh cities I travel to, only ~10MB each.

Watch out for the heat, I suspect running it too long might be the culprit for everone saying 'used to work fine, but now I have no GPS at all' (or just maybe, 'now I have a *melted* GPS sensor?!)

If that doesn't work, try placing your Fuze inside a roasted turky carcass tomorrow... I'm outta ideas.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mviana:
Google Maps Issue

Does anyone know if this will fix the issue of Google Maps not working at all?

The issue I have is that it says that "it needs an internet connection" and is always trying to reconnect to the internet. It's pissing me off now.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] wmm:
The Google maps application doesn't have any maps built-in -- it only gets them off the Internet. If you don't have a data connection, you won't be able to use Google maps. If you want to see maps without an Internet connection, you'll need to buy one of the navigation products that take up a gigabyte or two on your microSD card.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Orbitrix:
i would just like to say that my GPS is still extremely unreliable on the ATT Fuze

it is unacceptable for what is advertised as a GPS enabled device

my friend has the HTC Touch Pro on sprint and his GPS is flawless 100% of the time, even after a soft-reset

I have tried everything in this thread with multiple hard resets inbetween trying to figure this out.... for a few days at a time it will work.... then it wont

sometimesit will get a signal for 30 seconds, then lose communication with the GPS unit and say GPS device not found... then 60 seconds later it will find it again... get a signal for another 30 seconds... then same thing.. "GPS Device Not Found"

WTF ATT? this sounds more and more like a major driver issue in ATT's offical ROM....
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mviana:
wmm...thanks for the reply. I forgot to say in my post that I do in fact have unlimited internet on my phone. I get this issue even when I'm in an area that has full bars of coverage.

Any ideas would be appreciated.

Thanks
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] wmm:
Hmm, hard to say what that might be, then. A proxy issue? Or Google in one of its occasional dropouts? I haven't seen it. Sorry I can't be of more help.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mviana:
wmm...gotta say thanks again for the tip. I can't believe that I didn't think about disabling the proxy. Worked like a charm.

Thanks Again

Marc
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] TriAxisFL:
I've had an absurd time trying to get GPS to work properly everytime on the FUZE on a Non-ATT Stock ROM. On the stock ROM, I used iGuidance and Google Maps with no problems. I tried 4 different custom ROMS and have had trouble on all of them.

It seems to be a crap shoot if it works or not. I can never get Google Maps to work even if I manually set the GPS settings. iGuidance works 40% of the time immediately, the other times I have to fight to get it working. Same thing with HTC GPS Tool, it works sometimes and sometimes it doesn't. When the GPS Tool works, iGuidance works and vice versa.

I don't want to use the Stock ROM, cuz it sucks, and I don't even need GPS cuz my vehicle has GPS built in, but it annoys the crap out of me that when something doesn't work right on my phone.

Anyways here are my settings. In the settings menu, I use COM4, Baud Rate 9600, Windows manages GPS. In iGuidance I have the same settings. I have AGPS turned off. I also installed a "GPS Tweaks" cab which fixed the severe lag I was facing.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] xeryus1907:
can anybody help_?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Jamesche:
I did, too. Then I installed NATF's ROM and GPS has worked perfectly for many days now.

Jim
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] roblo:
GPS fix

If you have Live Search and Googlemaps installed. iin Live Search put settings to GPS intermediate Driver and Google Maps Settings, Set Manually COM4 and Baud rate at 38400. That should fix GPS lock.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jwb1969:
GPS Issues

I use Pocket CoPilot v6 and Google Maps, and upon initial use they work fine.

Then on occassion the GPS starts acting up (like every 2nd or 3rd use during the day) and PCP v6, says can't find GPS, to can't find signal, to getting a brief lock, then starting this annoying disconnecting rotation.

My fix for now is a soft reset, after which all is well, for a while. Which is obviously annoying for many reasons, we shouldn't have to be doing this. 2. My Tilt never had this problem. 3. It's MSFT so I guess I'm used to reboots, oh well...

I certainly hope an update fixes this! PS, using stock AT&T rom.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] EG6ick:
Same here! I'm using NATF's lastest ROM and it's been working for a couple weeks now. I disabled aGPS cause I don't have the data plan and everything else is stock. Using com 4 and just run my Garmin Mobile XT (without running GPS Test) and have 4-5 satellites within 10-20 seconds.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] allthatinny:
well, here is the thing with my gps situation i was on my way to work and left everything standard, so i took out my phone and started up att nav, ya i know i pay for it, and saying so it got a lock in no time and was up and running, i take the bus to work and i live in nYC but work in staten island and when am in my apt in brooklyn i very rare get a lock close to my window, att nav works sometimes in my house, but i have only i think had lock with google map once, never had got a lock after that, hell i even use telmap navigator 4.5 *its a beta* and it work just as often as the att nav
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] markmensch:
Which prods are good? I'm willing to trade a GB of storage for having the whole country worth of maps on my phone.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] markmensch:
Do the Touch Pro and Touch Diamond use the same radio F/W? (same radio HW)? Maybe switching radio F/W would help.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] wmm:
I haven't used it myself, as I'm happy with amazegps.com for my limited usage, but if I were going to buy one I'd look into OnCourse Navigator 8 (OCN8); the reviews have been very enthusiastic, and the screen shots look very nice.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] allthatinny:
i think u just need a clear veiw of the sky like a dish for ur television if thats the case what happens when bad weather hits :O imagine driving in a state then u notice they getitng hit by a blizzard and u lost all GPS signal, LMFAO thats gonna suck
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] omaralt:
hey guys, tell me if this is the same problem you guys are having:

i'm using tomtom7. I first get a lock with gps test. once its locked on, i minimize it and open tomtom7.. it'll initially get a lock for a second or two, then say gps signal was lost 5 seconds ago, then 10 seconds, and keep going. i'll then open gps test back up and it'll say looking for gps device... WTF... i can deal with alittle gps lag.. but this is ridiculous in a $500 phone..
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Da_G:
That particular issue is fixed in any ROM with the newer blackstone GPS drivers.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] omaralt:
oh wow, can i just download without updating my rom???
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Da_G:
Sorry, no. Due to security settings in all stock ROMs, you will not be able to load the drivers onto them. They have to be cooked into ROM, or the ROM has to be modified to allow use of un-trusted drivers. Either way you'll need to flash the ROM.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] omaralt:
that sucks, just setup my rom perfectly after two days of work... ha either way if your rom solves the gps issue, then i'll definately flash it.. but i also see that you dont have tf3d on ur rom... i'm sure that can also be added.. thanks for all your work man
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Da_G:
Yes, touchflo3d is available as an addon cab for my ROM in the first post. Note however that there are more ROM's than just mine available with the drivers, I know the latest ROMeOS has it too.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] omaralt:
hm.. i just flashed the Romeo's conFUZED rom.. and i'm having the problem with that rom. i dont want to flash a new rom and go through that hassle and not have my problem fixed.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Da_G:
You can always use a backup app to do a full backup before you flash, that way you can flash back the same rom, and load up the backup, and be right where you left off :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] medgirl2001:
I have a question about this, which may be a stupid question, but if I use the Sprite Backup that comes with the Fuze, will it be able to completely restore everything if I decide to flash back the original ROM? Like registry hacks and stuff like that? I am a little hesitant to try other ROMs after finally getting a lot of stuff fixed with the original. Not that I couldn't do it again, but it would be a pain.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Da_G:
The way sprite backup is supposed to work is a complete snapshot of your registry, along with all files not stored in the ROM itself (anything you added)

Theoretically this will restore it to exactly the same condition as you left it, providing you flashed the same ROM version back prior to restoring the backup.

I say theoretically because I didn't write the program and so I can't guarantee it will do that. But it's supposed to :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] medgirl2001:
^^^^Cool. Thanks!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sooby77:
I had the same problem and someone suggested reducing the baudrate on your gps program to 4800. That seems to solve my problem. Give it a try.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] omaralt:
hey Da_G, i tried flashing ur rom, but i still have the same exact gps issues... i'm really sick of these issues, and i'm still within my 30 day period.. i may just return it.. my e71 just worked perfectly with no issues
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] pandaboyy:
It's kinda weird that there is another post that claimed they have solve the GPS problem as well. However, the steps to solve the lag problem is completely different from this post.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=427888

I don't know which one to follow anymore. :p

However, I have a quick question. how do you change the baud rate of your GPS?

Is there a reg that do that? Because I tried to do that in the setting "external GPS", and every time I change the baud rate, it set back to 4800

Also, my GPS Fit 1.04 doesn't seem to be able to pick up my GPS Unit... it keeps saying Looking for GPS unit
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Matthes42:
you have to change it in the gps settings of your navigator software. e. g. in tomtom use other nmea receiver instead of builtin and you can choose the baudrate and irq
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] noellenchris:
Found the below in another post and it worked for me...

For all of you who did the following tweak and are not able to get a GPS signal / fix :

Drivers\SleepOnNoData -> 100 (default is 1000)

Please restore the value to 1000 or even 1500!

This tweak means that you're basically giving the GPS reciever 0.1 second to find a signal. If it's not there it's going to sleep again. Of course, your GPS program does not like that and is turning it on again... etc. It also means that if you have put the Polling at 250, that the GPS receiver will be turning on and off twice during one Poll. I cannot imagine this being good for the receiver.

With the values at 1000 or 1500 it will have 1 or 1.5 second to get a signal. Enough to receive data from any satellite. In speed it won't matter much. The tweaks that do most are the buffers and the Pollinginterval tweak.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] fatuous:
I took SleepOnNoData to mean "Sleep for n ms if no data is received".

What you're describing is the inverse - i.e. "Try to find data for n ms and then sleep".

Does anyone know for sure what this registry setting does? It's not listed on Microsoft's WinCE MSDN site...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] tonyx.ca:
Simplest is the best

Sometimes the simplest solutions are the best solutions. I tried just about EVERYTHING that I could find on the internet to get my GPS to work. well, in the end, all I had to go was to go outside the building. The gps receiver in the phone is simply put too weak
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] hopper13:
Uh, GPS is not supposed to work without a clear view of the sky. While I'm not saying that we're having great experiences with the HTC Touch Pro GPS, I am saying that having to go outside is to be expected with any unit unless you happen to have a window with a great sky-view.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Fallon:
True, but some of the nicer dedicated units have such good sensitivity that they can get pretty decent reception in some houses.

With my Fuse I can sometimes get 1-3 half bars at least 10 feet from the nearest window. It won't actually end up getting enough signal to get a fix until I head outside, but it does get some.

Devin
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] noellenchris:
Unless, however you're in a Port-a-Jon....lol ..........or shed etc...lol
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] yzf750:
After reading 2 days worth of gps issue posts I find it weird. People say no txt log, others say use the text log. Some say set one registry entry at 100, others say no thats wrong set it to 1000. So I came up with the notion that NO ONE really has a fix for the gps and they are all stabbing in the dark with there so called fixes. So I went ahead and ordered a external attenna for mine. So far it picks up 245 satellites, gives me a lock in .003 micro seconds and works upto 125 feet underground. Beat that if you can :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sooby77:
Realistically, what is happening is the blind leading the blind. Everyone is experimenting, which is good. The problem arises when it just happens to work, chance or not, they call it a definitive solution/fix. :rolleyes:
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] waldens1:
okay check this out. This is nothing wrong with your phone. This is a game that at&t is playing with telnav. I have 3 Epix phones and when I first got mine, the GPS worked without any issue in google and MS Live search (once I set the GPS to GPS intermediate driver). I even got TomTom 7 to work but had to install GPSProxy first. So, I decided to put TomTom on my wifes Epix. I did everything I did on mine but it would not work. I noticed that each time it tried to launch the GPS, it would try to make a data connection to media net which would fail because my wife has no data plan. So, I put my sim in her phone, launched the GPS app, it connected to media net then the GPS worked fine. I removed my sime and put hers back in and the GPS continued to work. After having my phone for about a month, something happened to the charge port and would not longer charge so at&t did an exchange for me. I tried to setup the GPS the same as I had done many times before with this phone but nothing would make the GPS work. Finally I found that if I installed and started the telenav software, once it did it's initial lock, my other GPS apps could use the GPS as long as Telenav was running in the back ground.

I then smelled a rat and called at&t, the fist guy was useless and new nothing about how to troubleshoot this. He then called telenav for me and was going to put me through to their tech support. He gave them my mobile number and then he was put on hold. While he was on hold with them, he came back to me to let me know that he was on hold and while he was talking to me I got a text message from care@telenav.com and it read the following "Telenav update info. MSG. telenav.com Dear Steve, your personal info has been changed. Thank you for using telenav. We look forward to continuing to serve your travel needs." So, then I check to see if could get a GPS lock now without having the telenav software running and what do you know it works like champ!! So, at&t and telenav are playing some very dangerous and anti-competetive games by somehow locking down the GPS in these devices. I can smell a class action law suite coming!!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] F2a:
Yeah I kinda noticed this, when I was on my telenav trial I never had any problems. I only started having trouble when I ended my free trial and started trying to use TomTom.

Also, I haven't done tests but I'm pretty sure google maps works a lot better then TomTom. It always seems to work fast and TT just sucks.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] allthatinny:
well he is right and i have always said this, someone said that the app has nothing to do with it but personally i dont get a gps lock unless i start up att nav, get a lock, quit the app, then google and other app automatically starts to work and gets a lock. i think att lock the GPS to Att Navigator, but they did it on the low down so one will know or complain about it.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] hopper13:
Huh, I have a Fuze and mine works... always has. (If I haven't run the gps for a few days it can take a looooong time to aquire and lock.)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] allthatinny:
so do i, but other apps wont get a lock unless i start up the att navigator
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] hopper13:
Odd. I have never used ATT Navigator, but do use Google Maps and TomTom.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Royalmathmtcs:
Can anyone post the list of files that are supposed to be in

HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\ ?

I was changing some of the values mentioned in this thread and accidentally renamed a file. The string value for the file I renamed is \windows\GPSLogFile.txt. :confused:
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] JVH3:
AT&T Fuze GPS

I've noticed that if I start Google maps when driving 70mph on the freeway, it might take me 10 to 20 minutes to get a lock. It will show a view of where I am from the cell towers. But, if I start it up, and let it get a lock before leaving the parking lot, it will only take a minute to get a lock.

My Fuze came witha 1 month trial for TeleNav, which I cancelled about 2 weeks into it. Everything else has still worked. GoogleMaps is free. I will be getting some GPS software though, so I can use it in areas that I don't get a cell signal. I'm leaning toward Garmin. $100. And you have space on the 8GB micro sd that it comes with, and no monthly fee. Just wish I could use my own micro sd instead.