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[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jglev:
What do you lose by bypassing the customization? I read that you lose TF3D, but what else?

I haven't gotten my Fuze yet. It was ordered yesterday through Premier and I am hoping to get it on Friday. ATT is starting to piss me off. They sell you a phone with HSPA capabilities and then disable it out of the box? That is insane. First they add a PTT button that you cannot re-map (if you use PTT, you will want it, if you don't, why not let us re-map it?) and now this HSPA issue.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] dagordon:
This is slightly off-topic, but does the Fuze even support HSUPA?

From the HTC product page:

HSDPA/WCDMA:

* 2100/1900/850 MHz

* 384kbps up-link and 3.6 Mbps down-link speed

As opposed to the Touch Pro product specs:

HSPA/WCDMA:

* Europe/Asia: 900/2100 MHz

* Up to 2 Mbps up-link and 7.2 Mbps down-link speeds

If this is true then not only does the Fuze not have HSUPA, but HSDPA is only 3.6 (as opposed to 7.2).
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] vcooke6902:
I think most of us is having problems having HSDPA stick. If we do the registry hack and take the battery out and back in the HSDPA works (flawlessly), but if we soft reset (for whatever reason) HSDPA goes away. This is frustrating!!!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] iboj007:
I re-applied the registry hack, powered off and then on (didn't do a soft reset) and was able to get amazing speeds throughout last evening and this morning. My highest test speed was over 1300 kbps with the H showing.

Oddly, i'm sitting at the same exact location that I was this time yesterday where I was getting 20 kbps and now i'm getting a steady 300-500 kbps.

This smells like AT&T's network to me without fail.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] zachoo:
To add some more confusion to the mix-

I flashed my Fuze to the Elite rom to get rid of bloat. So no longer running anything ATT stock on it.

And I'm also having these problems. I'll have full strength "H", areas in which my 8525 would get 500-800kbps, and am now getting 30-150.

Disabling/enabling HSDPA and HSUPA makes a difference each time, but still never 3g speeds. What the heck is going on here?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] trjons:
695 kbit seems like HSDPA.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
can someone point me in the direction of a speed test?

i can get the H to show up (after enabling the hsdpa icon and hsupa in advanced config 3.3), however it seems to have problems connecting to the internet afterwards...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] trjons:
i was using www.dslreports.com/mspeed/
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] F2a:
I got 1660kbits down with the 3G showing. So...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] slicric:
Add this into the regisry and see if this works.

HKLM\Software\HTC\AdvancedNetwork\

SupportHSDPA = 1 <DWORD>
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] adamantypants:
To add on to what F2a said, I'm beginning to think that even enabling HSDPA in the registry doesn't do much. I'm going to try again when I'm in relatively coverage heavier area tomorrow and see if that helps. Before I did the regedit I was at 582kb/s down and after I was about 612kb/s down, not much of a diff.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] zachoo:
Well now I'm starting to think it's more of an icon / indicator problem...

Last night, I was in an area that normally has decent coverage - I had only a dot coverage with "H" - but got consistently around 1200kbps...

Now, I have full bars and H am getting 70kbps... wtf!?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] iboj007:
This is clearly an AT&T issue. Their network just sucks right now. Last night, I was watching Slingbox on my FUZE and getting solid streams of 400 KB. I installed a piece of software, did a soft reset and all of a sudden went back to 30 kbps.

Apparently, the FUZE has issues attaching to the AT&T 3G network reliably. I called tech support this morning and he said "currently the northeast is having intermittent data issues and you may have trouble with data and 3G". He attempted to kick my device off of the network and then send something to it, still no luck.

Does anyone else have a "network log on" screen appear when rebooting the device?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ITNV:
I was having this problem too. I found a post on here where someone else suggested following these steps to rebuild the MediaNet profile: http://www.wireless.att.com/answer-center/solutionDisplay.jsp?solutionId=KB84444 and it worked. I don't know why, though...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] YettaVR6:
This guy is right...the Fuze does not even support HSUPA....but is that a hardware limitation or ROM limitation?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Scoop3:
After flashing NATF's rom last night, playing with it this morning. Everytime I'd reboot, it'd give me a network login screen...

NO idea what it means tho. I hit cancel or x, and everything seems happy. Tho I think each time I have to go in and reset data connection to 'on'...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] iboj007:
This just goes to show that AT&T has full control of this device down to the IMEI level. I don't think that any amount of flashing on this device can overcome AT&T network control at this point.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] NuShrike:
HSDPA is supposed to be 7.2Mbps down already.

HSPA (aka HSPA+ ?) is HSDPA and HSUPA combined and is supposed to be 42Mbps down and 22Mbps up.

I think all the technical writers for this product documentation frakked up.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ramontrotman:
hmmm...thats weird. because im running natf 1.1 and im pulling speeds of 1325 kbs on my last speed test. all day!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] YellowGTO:
I got 676kbits/ps so what is that 84.5 kbytes/ps 8 bits to the byte right?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] NuShrike:
Posted an app to set the registry after install and after every soft-reset. Maybe it'll fix it enough?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ExTREmE99:
i get the same thing...and im still on the stock at&t rom, be it with a ton of registry edits
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] MrSlacker:
I got it after messing with Tethering options.. mine just disappears on its own after a few seconds and everything seems to be working fine
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] wmserver:
I found a fix for the HSDPA enabling.

I just deleted the "DisH" registry key and "H" sticks every time I reboot.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] iboj007:
Sounds simple enough. Can any of the Gurus on here confirm?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] cparkhorn:
Is it possible?

I'm outside Austin, TX, and haven't done any of these H reg edits, and haven't touched it with Advanced Config, yet.

I was in a solid 3G area of Austin today and using mobile dslreports I consistently got 1240 then up to 1343. Same place about an hour later I got 640 consistently, then back to the 12XX speeds.

We are talking about the AT&T network here, and to say that I've ever gotten consistent 3G speeds would be incorrect. There's a lot of great information here, but could it be that the network is inconsistent, or even the speed test site? I don't even get consistent speeds when running the mobile DSL reporst on my phone over my home wifi which is 6mg DSL.

AT&T has put a lot of marketing effort into the "AT&T 3G Network" branding(think iPhone 3G?), and considering most people on AT&T have no idea what HSPA is, let alone HSDPA vs. HSUPA, they may have just made this change on the phone so it says 3G and not H, because the H would completely confuse the vast majority of people which would call complaining they didn't have 3G. The only reason I point this out is that it may be that we're upset about the H, when it's only a cosmetic change for marketing, and not really a change to the wireless data functionality.

As far as the speeds someone mentioned, 7.2mg for HSDPA, that is what the spec lists as possible speed, in a lab in perfect conditions. AT&T hasn't retrofitted to new hardware in their network to get their speeds anywhere close to this high, anywhere. AT&T is planning on rolling out LTE (Long Term Evolution) and so is Verizon, it's a competeing wireless technology to WiMax that sprint is rolling out with Clearwire. Bottom line, AT&T 3G will probably never reach close to the 7.2mg or above HSDPA speeds, because they don't want to upgrade the network when in 2010 they are going to start trialing LTE.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] DrunkenOstrich:
I too am having problems with 3G on the Fuze. I'm not even trying to get the 'H' speeds to work, just regular 3G! I am sitting here with both a Fuze and a BlackJack II, and on my BlackJack II internet browsing works just fine. I switch my SIM over to the Fuze, and it's so slow it's literally unusable. Especially in Opera. Half the time pages don't even load and it times out.

I'll be taking this device back for a replacement but with the number of threads I'm seeing about tihs, I'm not too positive. I know it's not "the network" (at least in this case) because like I said it's working fine in my BlackJack II.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] p51d007:
Here's an update. woke it up this morning, still had [H]. Soft reset, back to 3G. took out the DisH in the registry,

powered off on, back to 3G and DisH was back in the registry. Took DisH out again, started up Advanced config

3.x, and even though all the HSDPA was there, I turned it off (not saving yet), then back on, same for all the HSDPA

setting, THEN powered off/on, and the [H] was back.

Talk about Rube Goldberg to get the [H] to stick!

I'm sure the cooks will figure this one out eventually.

Thought I'd pass it along, just to show the step by step that I did to get [H] back.

I don't consider myself a guru, but after I deleted the HKLM\Software\OEM\RIL\DisH setting in the registry, NO soft reset, but powering it off by the

power button, H popped right up, and my speeds are back hovering around the

900k~ 1.2meg range.

Hopefully that is the final fix, if so, perhaps someone can make a simple cab

that pulls that out of the registry, so those that aren't brave enough to hack

around the registry can use a cab to make the change.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] cparkhorn:
I was just trying to help by suggesting some may be barking up the wrong tree. Since you know it's not "the network", then I'm sure you've also checked all of your settings on the blackjack and confirmed they're the same on the fuze so I'm sure it's something ATT has added to stop HSPA speeds on the phone and not something like a proxy setting on the fuze that's different than the setting on your blackjack and it's causing decreased speeds.

I'm just confused as to why some people can get 1.3mg -1.6mg download speeds on the fuze with ATT's so called blockage built in, (and have said here they made no registry changes) because speeds on ATT's network don't reach those levels without utilizing HSPA technology over UMTS. Possibly it's randomly faulty hardware, settings, or ATT adding a hack to decrease fuze customers utilizing HSPA network speeds.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] DrunkenOstrich:
I just did a bunch of testing between my Fuze and my Blackjack II for comparison. Others with the speed issues are in another thread, I posted a lengthy post with lots of test data in there. Please check it out and add to it what you can.

Thread: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=445850

Post: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=2910946&postcount=18
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] NuShrike:
Added version 1.1 which just deletes DisH instead as previously suggested. Maybe this works better.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] spaghetti_monster:
Nice job ^^ if a few more people test this we might have a fix to this issue.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] p51d007:
New stuff

Isn't it nice to have a new device you have to hack around just to get it to do what it is suppose to?

Anyone wonder if the at&t delay (among other things) in releasing it was so they could keep the [H] speed off their networks? ;) Sounds like their networks

are a little strapped for bandwith.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] restanim:
DisH

Yesterday, Nov 14 2008, I deleted the DisH registry key and have not lost the "H". My speeds are always above 1000.

I performed a Registry backup BEFORE I modified it.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Tempest790:
I was mostly having problems with my upload speeds (50-60 kbps) which is definitely not HSUPA. I usually got 300+ on my Tilt for upload speed.

Under the Raphael Tweaks thread it lists this as the following:

Enable HSUPA:

HKLM\Software\HTC\AdvancedNetwork\SupportHSUPA =change it to 1

Already enabled, so no need for this.

On my Fuze it has key labeled "0" and it has "Default" set to "GPRS" Could this be causing problems too?

I tried the HSDPA registry change and powered on off, and it worked fine. I now get 1000+ on my speed tests. My upload speeds will start out as 25-60 kbps and then about half way through it will jump into the 100s or 200s. I wonder if it's starting out GPRS and then switching to UMTS?

Hopefully someone will figure this out. I was very happy with my Tilt speeds, and I had hoped the Fuze would support even faster speeds.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] clitcommander:
Just deleted the DisH key and initially was only getting EDGE. After a few minutes, I was getting H speeds. I am bouncing back and forth ATM which could be logistical, in my case. Will have to do more testing...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] reyjabs:
Europe's Touch Pro setting for this entry

HKLM\Software\OEM\RIL\DisH is 2.

I don't know it this will help but just give it a try.

Constanly having a speed in the range of 17++ to 21++ MB here in UK.:)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Tempest790:
That worked great! Thanks. I set the DisH to 2 and it now survives a soft reset. The H icon also sticks. Consistently getting 1200+ speeds now. Upload speeds are still not HSUPA, but I don't know if my area is supported yet (New Orleans). Latency times also improved from 280+ down to about 180+.

Thanks again.

I'm still curious about that GPRS entry in the other Registry entry though.

Touch Pro

HKLM\Software\HTC\AdvancedNetwork\SupportHSUPA =change it to 1

My Fuze reads specfically:

HKLM\Software\HTC\AdvancedNetwork\Supported Functions = 1 (0X000001)

It then has a key under as follows:

HKLM\Software\HTC\AdvancedNetwork\0\Default = GPRS
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Tempest790:
I tried changing the registry by deleting the "\0\Default=GPRS" key and changed the SupporedFunctions to SupportHSUPA=1. I didn't noticed any difference in speed or performance. Does anybody in the U.S. live in an HSUPA area to test this?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Raspster:
Does the H stay on all the time or only when HSDPA is in your area and sending data..? I can set the 'H' icon but it stays on all the time.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] clitcommander:
So far this has been the most successful for me. I am at least able to maintain a H connection for a decent period. Thx for sharing.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Tempest790:
It stays on all the time for me. I remember when I first got my Tilt it would switch the icon from 3G to the H icon when it was downloading data. A few minutes later and it would revert back to the 3G icon. Later on it stayed with the H icon permanently.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Raspster:
I guess maybe the network in your area got better with HSDPA or just a strange anomly? Thx for info. I know I'm getting HSDPA. I just need to decide if I wanna look at an H or a 3G...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] tchan012:
works for me now.

Here's what I did.

deleted HKLM\Software\OEM\RIL\DisH

Power Off and Power On.

i have reset three times since then and it seems to be holding.

Every now and down it would drop to E (and my download speeds would be around 170 kbps), but when I move in the house, i can pick up H again, and then I get download speeds between 700 and 1100 kbps.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] adamantypants:
Wow, this was an improvement. Such a little regedit tweak from what we used before. HSDPA sticks now and my d/l speeds are averaging 200kb/s faster than before. I'm finally hitting 1mb/s speeds.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] iceberg1824:
this doues not work for me deleting the registry or changing the value
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] iceman4357:
Interesting...I have not done anything and I have my 3g showing. I did the dsl speed test and got a d/l speed of 1116kbit/sec with a latency of .368. Wonder how fast i can get it if I do the H registry tweak.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] zachoo:
I posted on this a week (and four pages of posts) ago - and maybe I'm having a unique problem here.

But I still think this is an indicator problem. I've tweaked the registry back and forth in every way discussed in this thread and am still having problems.

Sometimes I can get HSDPA speeds (1200kbps) when it has little signal, and sometimes (like right now) I have full bars with H and get around 20kbps.

Unfortunately, now I've tweaked so many things that I'm not even sure what was standard. I really don't want to hard reset (running Elite Rom) but I think that might be the only option left...

Thoughts?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mrspawn99:
Neither way worked for me either. Can someone who got it to work explain a little more about the procedure like the start state, etc?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Proto732:
I rebuilt (hard reset) my Fuze today because of download speed issues.

After the hard reset my speed tests were all over 1000k. Ive installed the bare minimum of software.

One thing i do when I rebuild is put the phone in Flight mode. A couple times I've had a text or call come in during an install that screwed things up.

So the only change I made with Advanced Config Tool was to Enable the H icon, and the change seems to be sticking this time around. Before the rebuild I had tried this change and it never worked.

Could it be that the having radio OFF when making this change is the key to making it stick? I've soft reset and powered off a dozen times and the H icon is sticking.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] zachoo:
Well, this might have been my problem- and although unrelated, I thought it'd be worth posting unless someone else has the same problems.

I turned off the proxy from ATT's auto setting. Fixed things right up for me. Still getting some mediocre speeds, but at least they are representational of the connectivity icon. And no more 20kbps crap!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] DrunkenOstrich:
Can you please post exactly where this setting is found?

Thanks very much!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] zachoo:
On the standard Fuze rom there should be an app in Tools called "Proxy Manager", but on a cooked rom without the proxy manager, you can find it here:

I just unchecked the second box, soft reset, and things came back to life

I found this by following ATT's connect guide (that someone linked a few pages ago) http://www.wireless.att.com/answer-center/solutionDisplay.jsp?solutionId=KB84444
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] KDKobes:
OK, had to redo my WHOLE post because I posted too soon. After lots of time and testing its NOT AT&T's network and its NOT AT&T crippling the phone. I was having the same problems as everyone else. My phone wouldn't show H no matter what setting I changed or added and on top of that I was only getting speeds of 300kbs TOPS.

Now here is where the problem started........KAISERTWEAK & ADVANCED CONFIGURATION. Obviously even though it seems they would be compatible; by adjusting your settings through these applications MESSES with your phone. To reset it all you need to CLEAR STORAGE in the settings. Yes you will loose all settings and revert back to when you just got the phone. I ended up changing all my settings manually. LOOK BELOW

HKLM\Software\OEM\RIL\ EnableHSDPAIcon ....change the setting to 1 - Gives you the H icon and actually seems to be why I wasn't getting HSDPA speeds.

As far as getting HSUPA. Simple, go download this TF3D Config application here http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=405749

After doing this I am getting WAY FASTER speeds and by that I mean 900-600kbs on speed tests from dslreports.com/mspeed

GOOD LUCK!! HOPE THIS HELPS EVERYONE ELSE!!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] :
This is a repost.

I'm reposting this from the Da_G ROM thread so you can see these results.

Did some tests between radios for Da_G Clean Fuze ROM Beta 1.3 (HSUPA Enabled). This is in downtown Salt Lake City (84101), AT&T 3G, between 6pm and 7pm Mountain Standard Time 11/29/2008. Probably a busy time for voice traffic. HSUPA is definitely enabled. Downloads haven't been that great all day.

BS_Radio_1.09.25.14

Raphael_Radio_1.05.25.BS14

Raphael_Radio_1.00.25.05

Conclusion: I've tested a tilt in this area before and while it could hit between 700-800/kbit on mobile dslreports.com tests, it never faired any better when downloading through ICS to speedtest.net. Pings on all of these radios are 40-50% LESS than Tilt in all cases (from what I can remember). Upload speed is about 200% improved over Tilt. Download speed is less than spectacular, but that's pretty typical for this area.

A note on testing on the Touch Pro (Fuze) itself. Results with Opera 9/9.5 and PocketIE were HIGHLY INCONSISTENT, ranging from 200-600kbit. I would not rely on the mobile browsers for accurate results, period. The ICS/Speedtest.net testing was much more consistent.

All these radios are good. I get best signal with Raphael_Radio_1.00.25.05, and if it does save power as they say, I will stick with that for now.

-James
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] :
I just recently did some more testing in another part of the valley I live and work in.

I could not get above 350 up.

I don't think HSUPA is on everywhere on AT&T 3G cell site. I say this because downtown, where there are mostly businesses, I was getting over 600 up, but in the residential area where I live, I can not get over 350 up, while download speeds are much higher.

-James
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] DrunkenOstrich:
What site are you using to test? Can you post the URL (so I can hit it from my Fuze)? Thanks!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] goggin:
I found the same thing to be true...but couldn't believe it, so I repeated the process about 4 times over the last 5 days with two different phones (wound up getting a new sim card and a new phone while trying to figure this out)...rebuilding the phone's setup a number of times. I consistently found these tweak programs, or perhpas some settings within them...cause my phone's 3G reception to become weak and flaky.

By not using these tweak programs, I've got rock steady 3G performance (>1Mbps). Not any better than I did when things were on the up cycle after using on of the tweaking programs mentioned. But rock steady. Whereas after using the tweak programs my phone's 3G performance became very flaky (to undestate things quite a bit).
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] raywright1:
my HSDPA test results

i ran approx 40-50 speed tests with various configurations using http://www.dslreports.com/mspeed?jisok=1&more=1

the DisH registry change gave me ~1050 kbit/sec consistently, not much higher and as low as ~850.

setting DisH = 2 as mentioned in another post gave me 40 kbit/sec. :confused:

my home FIOS wifi gave me ~ 1900 kbit/sec but what is strange is that with wifi and GPRS enabled at the same time, IE knew to go over wifi whereas Opera went over GPRS. when i disabled GPRS Opera went over wifi and matched speeds.

i still would like to get to the bottom of that authentication proxy at Programs | Tools | Proxy Manager | Restore Proxy / Disable Proxy. what uses that and what doesn't. is it needed or is it not? why is it built into the rom to turn on or off?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] zachoo:
I hit 1450kbps+ a few times in Boston last night - which is a record for me with any device. Surprising twist: the indicator only showed two bars with "H"

Oh well, I'm less worried about what it tells me it can do- more concerned with what it can actually do!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
I'm frusturated with this, I can get speeds from 400 kbps up to 1200 kbps, but its not consistent. what's stranger though, is the extremely low ping. i'm averaging a 15ms latency to most of the speedtesting servers (been using testmyiphone.com). has anyone tried calling at&t and complaining about slow 3g?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sammypwns:
ok you need to set disH to 2. 2 not 1. TWO. And second you cannot use NATF's ROM or the stock one because they have the Remove3G.provxml that runs every start-up. Either use da_G's or one that isn't based on an ATT ROM

Edit: All credit to finding this out goes to da_G or atleast that's where I got it from.