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[Touch Pro, Fuze General] posershadow:
i've tried everything and nothing works. ive tried the stock att rom with the stock spl and that wouldn't even pick up a signal with telenav. i've tried pdaviet with the hardspl and neither tomtom nor gpstool would pick up. and i've tried romeos with hardspl and neither tomtom nor gpstool would pick up. lets hope somebody figures out what is going on with this gps problem soon.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] spanky310:
I just made an interesting observation on my HTC FUze.

My fuze is currently at the stock ATT ROM connected to my dsl via wifi.

I then installed Google map mobile. Google map mobile connects to update maps using the wifi connection with no problem.

I then click the 'Use GPS' option of Google Mobile Map and all of a sudden I noticed that the phone is starting a data session using my 3G connection.

The same thing happened after I installed and lauched iGuidance.

Is this happening to anyone else?

Is this an indication of anything that is causing out GPS problem?

Sooooo annoying!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
nope, that's aGPS at work. its talking to the cell towers near you to retrieve cached satellite data. be sure to disable aGPS if you don't have a data plan, as it WILL use your data.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] NFRCER:
Oh wow thats wierd... I have an Att fuze (First day with it) I just tried GPS from my window.

-None of the GPS setting has been changed/aGPS enabled as it comes by default

-No Sim card

-Wi-Fi enabled for Google Maps

-Gps test to find a fix (As well as Quickgps of course)

Useful Data?: Phone has been charging all day, no actual use aside from a few mins of browsing... which afaik shouldnt affect the gps in any way possible.

Results: (On my first try) GPS fix found in about 25~32 seconds (That is QuickGps>GpsTest).

-Obviously after obtaining a fix with the programs above, with Google Maps it was even faster, about 7~10 seconds perhaps.

As for the GPS lag I'll test it today as i go along the road to college =)

For those interested (Nothing really special):

Rom: 1.95.502.5 WWE

Rom Date: 10/20/08

Radio: 1.02.25.32
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] spanky310:
ah ha....learned something new, thx!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Fallon:
Google Maps is just basically a fancy web based app. All the map images get pulled over the web (data connection).

Devin
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] AssassinsLament:
Ok, so I've been rattling my head trying to figure out a fix for these GPS issues. I'm coming to the conclusion that most of it is AT&T's doing. I've been cooking my own rom with the stock rom as a basis, and yes,

I'm having problems with google maps and tomtom and even AT&T's navigator. But it does seem to work better with Navigator installed (maybe AT&T wants us to use their GPS software and is locking it someway,

until we use AT&T maps/navigator). To test this theory, I flashed a totally non fuze rom (latest english ROMeOS) and am having a lot better success rate of getting GPS satellites in google maps and tomtom, without

needing AT&T Maps. I will be doing some more testing to get to the bottom of it, because I would definately return my Fuze if GPS is disabled on purpose for other software, and they're forcing us to use their GPS software.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] intothevoid:
I was out and about today and used the GPS via TOMTOM for about 4 hours on and off and it was working fine. I had no lag issues at all.

I used the 1st method stated here. My GPS is working fine only issue i did have was that every time i received a call and when i pressed the hang up button tomtom shows "No gps detected" for about 1 or 2 secs then goes back to normal.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
i agree that that would be horrible bs if at&t had done that (not saying that we cant find a way around it)

i just spent like 30 minutes outside trying to use the htc gps tool to find some satellites, however i got the same results as fallon posted above.

it seems very odd to me that the satellites quickly disappear and then re-appear. (as far as i know, they're still in the same spot in the sky...)

it just doesnt seem to be making a consistent connection, which is bothersome.

has anyone looked at the external gps settings in wm? under hardware settings, it says none for com port and like 4800 for baud rate. if you try to change either of these, doesn't register the change.

i think at&t's doing something screwy.

think about that, there's some program, some monitoring device, running that says "dont let anyone assign a com port to the gps, unless its our moneygrubbing telenav, then that's ok". i think this would explain the erratic dropping of signals from satellites.

i'm going to give htc a call. will let you know what i find.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
just spoke with htc customer support, and the rep said that it is common for carriers to lock out gps functionality to only their software. he checked and confirmed that this was the case on the fuze. i think what i said in last post about nothing else being able to assign a com port is pretty much how it works... any ideas on a workaround?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] hondaguyjoe:
Is this legal? There is no where in the literature that says the phone has GPS* ......*Must buy subscription to use....

Any one know a lawyer? :)

Seriously tho it cant be legal can it? You bought a device that has features that dont need a subscription to use its your device why cant you use that feature?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] AssassinsLament:
Like I said, running a non "Fuze" specific rom does seem to make a difference. Last night, I was able to consistently lock onto satellites with the latest ROMeOS, but only after dinking back and forth the com ports and baud rates.

So this morning, I wanted to test more on my own custom rom I'm making (with the AT&T stock OEMDrivers folder, and I have not yet got one lock on a satellite. So my thoughts so far is, it's probably a driver or registry setting inside the OEMDrivers folder.

I'll post what I find as I work on it.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Fallon:
What's the Elite Team's beta 1 ROM based on? I'm getting the poor results with it and somewhat assumed it wasn't based on AT&T.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] intothevoid:
Try RomEOS and radio .28 with the settings i posted earlier. Its working fine for me. I never used the AT&T Official Rom that came with the fuze. Maybe for a few mins but that was all.

Also install the GPS Test program which is very affective in locking in satellites before you run TOMTOM or any other GPS program.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] AssassinsLament:
intothevoid: I tried your suggestion too and I couldn't get any locks either.

I reflashed the lastest ROMeOS again, and tested about a while, and could not get a lock in google maps. Without changing anything with the settings, I then installed ATT Navigator, it asked to soft reset, then I setup a route to a gas station... it worked. Went back into google maps... I can get a lock now.

What the heck, is ATT Navigator is unlocking the GPS some how?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Fallon:
Installed Stock ROM & HTC GPS tool - No change

Installed AT&T Navigator, but haven't successfully logged in - No change

I lost the PIN for AT&T Navigator it sent me when I re-installed the ROM, any way to get it re-sent so I can login to AT&T Navigator and see if that fixes it?

Devin
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] AssassinsLament:
The pin is usually the last four digits of your phone number.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
If you've installed AT&T Navigator, uninstall it. Be sure to call 611 and make sure that you were not charged the GPS service charge on this month's cycle.

Either the HTC guy didn't know his stuff, or this just happens to work around the "Telenav-Only" Block.

I've successfully gotten repeated locks on Google Maps without the use of Telenav. It's not even installed. Here's the procedure to get a (relatively) fast GPS lock:

If you don't already have it, download Advanced Configuration Tool v3.3 (or newer) (see here: http://touchxperience.com/en/advanced-configuration-tool.html) (needs .Net Compact Framework 3.5. see here: http://www.modaco.com/content/windo...act-framework-3-5-without-upgrading-your-rom/).

In the Advanced Configuration Tool go to GPS. Make sure the subsettings are as follows: (the last one is 32KB if you were wondering)

Assisted GPS: Enabled

Log file: \windows\GPSLogFile.txt

Old log file: \windows\GPSLogFileBack.txt

Max. log file size: 32768

Next, download and install GPS Test 1.04 (attached)

Now, every time after a soft-reset (or each day) you want to use the GPS, perform the following actions:

Run QuickGPS and download new satellite info.

Run GPS Test (ensure that GPS settings are on COM4 and a baud rate of 38400).

GPS Test will give you a bar and a signal strength indicator for each satellite. The fix process can take a couple minutes, but just give it some time. Upon getting a 3D lock, it will display "GPS Running".

At this point, you can exit GPS Test and open up Google Maps, TomTom, Garmin, iGo, whatever map tool you use. The navigation app should get a quick (< 30 seconds) fix with anywhere from 7-10 satellites depending on location. It will continue to do this until a long duration of time has passed (I'm talking 5-10 hrs (haven't tested)) or until a Soft-Reset.

This procedure worked for me. I don't know if it'll work for everybody, but I think it's pretty reasonable, the wait time isn't too long for a GPS fix. Good luck and god speed, gentlemen. Let me know if this works for y'all or not.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] wmm:
Is there a significant difference between running at 4800 bps and 38400 bps? I ran GPS Test at 4800 on COM4 and it, along with Google Maps, AT&T Navigator, and AmazeGPS all were able to run successfully.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
as far as i know it just polls quicker. it may be possible to tune this, but this is what gave me the quickest lock.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] AllTheWay:
Personally I would disable assisted GPS. Always seems to cause issues for me when I am trying to get a lock. Once you have a GPS lock then turn it back on, but if that works for you then go with it ;)

m.carrol

I would also post the solution the 1st post of this thread so people don't have to search for the answer. Might make it a little easier.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] AvengerBB:
It doesn't matter because it's not true. I think people were initial excited because they thought this fixed it, but I can say for a fact that you don't need it for GPS to work. There are no registry settings that TeleNav does to enable anything.

However, there does seem to be an overall issue of GPS performance on the Fuze. Maybe TeleNav is more effeicient than other programs?

EDIT: Posted this before getting to the the post with the real info. Thanks for that!!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
roger that, i'm copying it over now.

as for the aGPS, i think thats something that time will tell, this is just what worked for me. the fuze's GPS is quirky for sure, and this may or may not work for everybody.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
i flashed it to romeos this solution should still work right?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] AssassinsLament:
That worked!! m.carroll Thanks!

Which now only leads to more questions. I owned the Sprint Touch Pro for over a week before I returned it and got the Fuze, and I never had to "start up" the GPS on it. Google maps and TomTom started up the GPS fine. Now it's Obvious that that's what GPS Test and ATT Navigator does. So it basically has to start up the GPS after soft/hard resets.

Does this happen on the non Fuze Touch Pro's? I know I've tried non Fuze Roms and although it seemed to help a bit, it still wasn't perfect. So, now I'm assuming it's with the hardware. Is it a different chipset from that of other Touch Pro's including Sprint's? Or is there a way to innitialize it with a registery setting that we're missing?

Just asking questions so maybe we can get to the bottom of it, and not have to do the extra step every reset.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
i would assume so. i think it's a radio rom or driver thing, so it may (or may not :() be rom-independent and rather FUZE-dependent.

I agree, the questions are the way to go. Its either hardware or radio-rom/driver related. there's got to be a way to do this. there's no way that the qualcomm gps chipset is designed this poorly, and the sprint tp and normal unlocked tp are proof of this.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
one other question

do i want to adjust the TPs gps settings to com4 and the baud rate? or just in gps test
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
just in GPS Test, the windows gps settings should be left at defaults.

if you really want to know the GPS reciever is actually on COM1, but windows mirrors this to COM4 so multiple and legacy apps can access it at once. i cant find what the default baud rate is, i'm lookin though...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Fallon:
GPS Test 1.04 seemed to get good signal on the stock ROM, the HTC GPS Tool wasn't giving me anything... Not sure what's up, might just be issues with the HTC GPS Tool.

Going to go back to a custom ROM and mess around in that direction and see if it's just an issue with the HTC tool and possibly the settings.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] posershadow:
i have done everything mentioned and when i go into gps test, i get 8 green bars that go up about as high as the first tick on the marker, but it never gets a full fix. it stays in 1d and says gps starting. im in a wide open area out in my back yard with no covering whatsoever, clear sky for miles all the way around. what does this mean? i guess its seeing satellites but not connecting to them?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
try tweaking the baud rate and seeing what gets them to lock, it may take a minute or two.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
windows setting is com0 right?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
My gps settings are as follows:

Settings->External GPS:

Programs tab: COM4

Hardware tab: GPS hardware port: (none) baud rate (4800)

Access: checkbox checked.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] DeniaL:
This is what I have done and it seems to work ok. I was having the same problems as most of you. I would launch QuickQPS, download the newest data. Then I would open up TTN7 and it would lock onto sat's within a minute or so. But as soon as it "connected" to those satellites, it would just TURN OFF the GPS, then turn back on and start all OVER again. I got it to work properly one time, but wasn't sure what I did. After some tweaking, I decided to make sure QuickQPS was running while TomTom was running and VIOLA, it worked! It locked onto satellites and worked perfect. I'm not 100% sure this will work for everyone, but what I did, was I set QuickQPS as an exclusive program through X-Button, and it works AMAZING now! Let me know if this helps!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Fallon:
I got signal using GPS Test and Google Maps locked on pretty quick using ROMeOS² v1.40. However I haven't been able to get any signal at all messing with all the same settings using Elite v1 beta.

Will keep messing with Elite and see if I can get it working.

Devin
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] DeniaL:
nevermind...still acting up. cant get this damn thing to lock in and stay locked in consistently!!! :mad:
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] posershadow:
i got mine to lock in finally under gps test. then i shut it down and went into tomtom where it took about 5 minutes and i got a lock. so then i decided, what the heck, lets see if i can replicate my results. so i soft reset, updated quickgps, and then went into gps test again. no matter what i did, i couldnt even get past 2 little yellow bars. and whatever is the problem, the fix isnt coming from rom, radio or spl for me because ive tried the stock rom, pdaviets rom, and romeos. plus ive tried 2 radios, the 28 and 32 ones. and i even went back to the stock spl for the stock rom to see if that would help. nothing i did made a difference.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] intothevoid:
I am glad you have found solution for your self. Assuming you are still the .32 radio did you experience any lag while using tomtom ?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sooby77:
That's my suspicion too. Either it's a chipset or a driver problem. I have the iMate 8502, using quite a similar GPSOne chipset, and the registry settings are a bit different.

I can dump a clean registry of the iMate 8502 if anyone would like. I just need to know how.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
the registry dump may be helpful, but i dont know how to do it on windows mobile...

intothevoid: i am using .32 radio, however i do not have tomtom, so i can't comment on the lag. in google maps however, after i'd moved about 50-70 feet, the gps tracker was very responsive, changing direction and position rapidly and in line with my actions. so i guess it wasnt lagging?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] intothevoid:
Possibly that will be a good thing. Its kinda weird how some people can get it to work and other can't. Maybe it is some sort of hardware issue.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] AllTheWay:
This the procedure that I do every time. Works like a charm. Sometime even as GPS Test is running I minimize it and Run QuickGPS again. I usually get a satellite lock immediately after that or very quickly after that.

Step 2: Run GPS Test (ensure that GPS settings are on COM4 and a baud rate of 38400).

I think is a very vital step. When I change the baud rate to 38400 it works like a charm.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
i'm starting to believe that it may be better to just leave quickgps running...it makes sense...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] DeniaL:
I'm calling HTC tomorrow. I think it's absolutely RIDICULOUS that we have to go through a tedious process just to get GPS to work. If AT&T has done something to force you into using their POS telenav crap, I will be speaking to my lawyer afterwards.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ExTREmE99:
hmm congrats. ive never had problems using gps. first thing i did was just change the gps to comm0 and its worked fine ever since with garmin and google maps
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] posershadow:
exactly what i think. this is bs that the gps is so intermittent. its ridiculous that you have to sit there in your car praying your brand new $300 gps ppc will connect to the satellites. obviously they didn't do very much prerelease testing of the gps or we wouldn't be having these problems.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] AssassinsLament:
Update:

After innitially thinking my gps problems were fixed, it turns out I was wrong. After flashing my own rom, I tried twice with GPS Test... and once it took me like 10 minutes to get a 3D lock. The second time, I quit waiting after 15 minutes. I realize there are only a few of us having these problems, so maybe these are just flawed phones we have. There is no reason for GPS to be this bad. I plan to flash back to stock, hardSPL back to stock, and if its still the same then I will be forced to go back to ATT for a new one.

This sucks!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] 10332007:
I would like to try and solution that has worked for several people but ACT3.3 wont run, says my .net framework is out of date O_O

Which version was ACT made with so I can update it and use it?

(stock fuse)

I have played with GPS Test, HTC GPS, Visual GPS, Google maps, quickgps and so far nothing will get a fix.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Fallon:
After 0 sucess getting any kind of GPS working in Elite v1 (it HTC's tool could find the GPS I think, but no data, Test GPS never could find the GPS), I went back to ROM OS 1.40 and it's got a couple green and yellow bars in Test GPS already and I expect it to get a lock any minute now.

Devin
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sooby77:
My issue is not getting any lock. But after a lock, subsequent attempt to use the GPS behaves very strangely. The data would come in and then about a second later, would stop streaming. I observed this behavior even while using Franson GPSGate.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
Well, should i change the title, as to not proclaim this problem solved? i think the GPS support (either driver or radio-rom) is just buggy in general. the fact that we are barely getting signals from these satellites is ridiculous. we payed top dollar for a device that is supposed to be "the best windows mobile device on the market" and its GPS is buggy? Really? I think we should start bombarding HTC with support requests for buggy GPS until they either confirm (for real) that its locked to the telenav app, or admit to a problem and fix it.

The thing that gets me is that even with telenav, it takes FOREVER to get a lock, which isnt right. i know its not the qualcomm chipset, i highly doubt that qualcomm would release a bad chipset, but i believe the radio-rom or drivers are incomplete, or improperly coded.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] laakness:
I got the Fuze last night and immediately flashed ROMeOS 1.40. I saw the fix in the first post and did that. I have no issues with getting a lock.

In fact, after running quick gps and getting a lock for the first time only took about 35-60 seconds.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] placebo3681:
I tried the steps outline by m.carroll in post #1 as I am having the same issues with 3rd party GPS programs (Google maps, Live Search, etc.) and was successful in getting Google maps to get a lock on satellites. For me it took GPS Test about a minute and a half to get a 3D fix. After shutting it down and going to google maps, it took about 15-20 sec to get locked on to several sats. This was all after I jsut woke up. After an hour on my way to work I opened up Google maps again and it was able to lock on to several sat within the same 15-20 sec time frame. On my way out of work I'm going to run it again and see if it can still get a lock after several hours of time have passed by. Is Google maps and Live Search etc just having difficulty actually turning the GPS chip on or something? If I'm able to still get on to Google maps after almsot half a day has gone by, I would be thinking that the OS is not properly turning on the GPS chip on power up (just throwing ideas out there). GPS Test seemed to properly "wake" up the chip and google maps locked on very quickly. Currently I am using the 1.95.502.5 WWE ROM.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] clitcommander:
you need .NET CF 3.5 here

I think you may need to uninstall ACT, install .NET CF 3.5 and reinstall ACT.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
just to clarify, what is ACT?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] placebo3681:
Advanced Configuration Tool version 3.3
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
heh, i guess i've never heard of it referred to as that... i'll edit the posts to reflect that .NET Compact 3.5 is needed.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] AssassinsLament:
So after threatening to exchange my phone, I turned off and on my phone last night, and didnt try getting a lock,

but just now tried Google maps. It connected right away. This is just too weird. I guess the phone figured "I better work or else I'm history." lol

Anyways, I'm just turned it off and am waiting a few minutes to see if it was just a fluke or what.

OMG, it worked again after like 30 seconds. I didn't even update the QuickGPS, I'm on stock rom. (Because I was serious about exchanging it)

Ok, this solution may not work for everyone, but it seemed to work for me atleast so far today:

Threaten to exchange it. I kid you not! But we'll see how long this lasts *sigh*
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] AssassinsLament:
Ok, so threatening it didn't last very long. I was semi sarcastic in my previous post, but it did seriously work for a bit. Now it's back to not working.

For those that have a flawlessly working GPS, could you please try something for us?

1) Turn off your phone completely for 2 minutes, then back on and let it load everything it needs to. Then without running anything else, run Google maps and let us know how long it takes to get at least 1 or 2 satellite locks.

Thanks.

I'm still thinking that I somehow have a defective unit. Plus I don't want to have to turn my phone 93 degrees to the north pole with one arm behind my back, while tapping my toes together... every time I want to use GPS.