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[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Duder29:
My theory is this...

The GPS doesn't get a good signal because all the fingerprints are blocking it! :p

Seriously though, if the GPS is not fixed, within my 30 days, this fingerprint magnet is going back to ATT.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sooby77:
Agreed. I've already exchanged my Epix for this Fuze because Garmin and TomTom refuse to work on the Epix. However, the GPS work fine on the Epix though.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] tone73:
Thanks man.

So..... can i call and cancel the 9.99 monthly service and still use the gps?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
should be able to. as far as i know the 9.99 is for telenav, and if you dont use telenav, you dont need it. someone who had/has a tilt would be a better resource, as my wizard didnt have any gps (and apparently my fuze doent have much of a gps system either)... :(
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] starstreak:
if you mean the ATT navigator program, yes. But unless you bought a GPS program like igo,onroute(whatever its called), TomTom, the best you'll be able to use is Google Maps or MS Live search. Which both can use the GPS chip in the unit. And yes, those will lag if you have that lag issue.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] 10332007:
Perfect thank you, I saw that version but it had a different date on it from over a year ago and did not think that was right....

Will give this a try and see if I can get a lock finally...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] DeniaL:
In playing around with this phone, it seems that the GPS is able to lock onto a signal better, when you start messing with the settings. I couldn't get the GPS to lock onto a signal, then i went into the GPS settings through WinMo and changed the port from 4 to 1. Loaded GPS Test back up, and bam 2 seconds (literally) later it locked onto a signal. Then TomTom worked fine. I'm going to continue to play around with this theory and report back.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Duder29:
Wow, that did work! It really was like 2 seconds. What settings did you put in TomTom? Thanks!

EDIT----

I changed my GPS receiver in TomTom7 to "Other NMEA GPS receiver" Set the baud rate to 4800, and selected COM 1:

TomTom7 now locks on within seconds. Hopefully this lasts.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] AssassinsLament:
Been there and done that. You will find that it's really inconsistent. After getting a lock, try powering off and on your phone and try your GPS again, you'll find that it won't work and you'll have to dink around in the settings again. I have gotten comm0, comm1, comm4 to work at various times.

Is this good enough? I don't think so.

Like I said, if I have to do extra tedious things just to use GPS, then I'd rather go back to the Sprint Touch Pro, because that thing worked right out of the box and always locked within 10 - 15 seconds, without any other extra curricular activities.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
changing the WM GPS Com Port to COM1 gave instant results. I didn't even need QuickGPS or GPS Test.

I launched Google Maps, ensured that the gps settings were set to "let windows manage the gps" and then turned it on, within 5 seconds i had an 8-satellite lock, no lag (after about 50 ft of movement). I've soft-resetted and have achieved the same results!!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] DeniaL:
sweet...good to know it worked for someone else too. I agree, doesn't matter after soft-reset. If this fix holds...it must be something running on Com port 4 that is conflicting with the GPS chip
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
agreed. it doesnt make much sense to redirect the gps away from the com port that its physically plugged in to. at least its partially working. i'm at a UF basketball game, so i'm not going to update my posts just yet, but when i get back i'll post that as the first thing to try. then if that doesnt work people should try the original pseudo- solution.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] AssassinsLament:
Update:

Ok, so I did what I threatened to do... exchange it. But while in the ATT store, the sales rep brought out two phones and so we sat with three Fuze phones, all having the same issue. Google maps was not connecting at all. Then I went through the process of running ATT Navigator, and after 10 minutes of searching for sattelite on navigator, it locked and google maps was fine. All the reps were baffled too, and figured there would probably be a software update or something to it. But to me... that doesn't sound right either because I have cooked my own custom rom, used ROMeOS, and even stock.... all the same issues. So it's more low level then just software. And I don't think it's drivers, because while cooking my own roms, I swapped out the two drivers (unless there's more then two) for gps.

But yeah anyways, it's confirmed to me, that there is some sort of bug, as I had three (two brand new) fuzes in my hand and they all sat there pretty with the "Seeking GPS satellites (0)..." for 10+ minutes.

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I also just set mine to com port 1, and getting nothing. This is frustrating.

oh, and I exchanged mine for a brand new one, and so yeah brand new, with nothing installed except google maps.. and it's not working! (glad I didn't have to pay the $20 restocking fee).
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sooby77:
Yep, I'm not convinced that any of the solution proposed in this thread actually works. I think we need a completely NEW driver. My iMate 8502 uses the same GPS chipset, I believe, and the registry is a bit different and appears to use a different driver too. I can try and extract the registry and the driver file, but I need someone knowledgeable to help me do that.

At this point, I can't believe my 8502 is winning out over this gorgeous VGA screen. What good is this device if it's only 50% functional!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ryuu55:
I followed this procedure, but had to turn off aGPS and after I get a lock w/ GPS Test I open Tomtom 6 (leaving GPS Test running). Before when I was exiting GPS Test my GSP would go in and out, but by leaving it on I don’t lose signal anymore. This worked great, thanks.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
@ assassinslament: Make sure the gps log is enabled, with a lig size of 32KB as described in the first post, set to com 1 and run gps test to see what happens.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] AssassinsLament:
Ok see, I just did this setting... aGPS on, GPS Program port: COM4, and GPS Hardware port: COM1, Baud rate: 38400. And google maps found sattelites in less then 15 seconds. It's so random...

EDIT:

I soft reset it, tested google maps, didn't work. Re did the settings I did at the top of this post, and nothing. Like I said, it's so random. ughhhhh!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] AssassinsLament:
I have no tweaks on as this is still stock. As I recall log is defaulted as on and log size is defaulted at 32KB.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sooby77:
If you go back to your setting again, you will notice that your GPS Hardware Port and Baud Rate had been reset back to None and 4800. That cannot be changed.

Yes, it's random, because we are attacking this problem in a random matter.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
if thats the case, then ok. i remembered having to set this for the first time. can anyone verify the default settings?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] AssassinsLament:
Ok, so setting program port at COM4 and not touching the hardware tab, I've been getting the GPS working perfect now.

Even after a power off/on, even after a stylus soft reset. I haven't done anything different except... enable the ATT Proxy (the one in programs>tools>proxy manager).

Could this be it? hmmm...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
i can echo that, just tried it, and it works. can we get others to test as well?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] AssassinsLament:
Ok, I really think my (oh what the heck lets try it) proxy method really works. Here's what I just did to test it again, and GPS is working great!

1) Hard Reset ATT Stock ROM

2) Let it finish it's bloatware and everything

3) Ran QuickGPS and hit Download

4) Installed Google Maps

5) "Use GPS"

6) Wait no more then a minute and GPS locks!! (faster GPS after innitial find)

I didn't touch anything in the settings.

So the defaults should be aGPS enabled.

Software port should be defaulted at COM4.

Even disabling the proxy doesn't matter anymore, as GPS still works after that.

So I'm assuming that GPS needs those innitial settings in the proxy to allow aGPS to get info for the GPS to work better.

...test it out guys, and let me know. Maybe I'm just smoking too much weed.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sooby77:
Guys,

I don't think the GPS has any problem locking in at all once it is set to the right port. The bigger issue is, why does the data stream stop after the initial lock. This is what is happening.

a) Use at program like VisualGPSCE or GPS Test and set it to Comm 4. Let it lock.

b) Close the program or the data stream. This will cause the data stream from the GPS chip to stop.

c) Re-enable the data stream and then OBSERVE what happens. It will take a few second to lock back in. After about 2 seconds, the data streams just completely stop.

This is a bigger problem.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] christian15213:
what is this for? My GPS works with live search.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] robotanalysis:
[snip]

I've used ROMeOS latest, Elite RC1, and stock AT&T ROMs, but right now I'm sticking with NATF's 1.1 beta.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] 10332007:
I will give it a try on my way home from work in 20 minutes.

I went into the proxy manager and my only options are restore / disable. I disabled first then restored just for giggles, will run GPS test once I leave and then do GPS test / HTC gps / Visua GPS one after the other until I get a lock or dont and post back later.

Hope to get a lock for once :(
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sooby77:
There's absolutely no need to do any of that. What the ATT Navigator does is ask the chip to began acquiring satellite. Once the chip has locked in, SUBSEQUENT lock is MUCH FASTER. That's why you get the impression that every program just suddenly work! Any GPS program that is capable of accessing the right comm port can ask the chip to begin acquiring satellite. Use GPS Test or VisualGPSCE to do that. To determine the correct Comm POrt, launch the External GPS program under Start->Programs->Settings->System. The 'GPS program port' number is the port you need to set your GPS application to acquire the data stream.

ATT DID NOT LOCK THE GPS CHIP! I'm going to get flamed for this, but there's a lot of people in this thread that has no clue what they are talking about in terms of the GPS. They are jumping to conclusion about certain things even though it's incorrect based on their experimentation. It's like the blind leading the blind.

*now flame away!*
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] allhalf425:
To comment on the whole AT&T locking the GPS discussion, I work at Best Buy Mobile, and I was talking to our AT&T rep today about it. He told me that AT&T DOES have the ability to lock out the GPS to Navigator, but he assured me that they would most likely never do that, due to the fact that they actually endorse the use of free apps like GoogleMaps. In that sense, I don't believe that this issue has anything to do with AT&T's evil conspiracy to suck as much money out of us as possible (not to say that conspiracy doesn't exist).

Anyway, I tried some of the suggestions on here, and this is how things happened for me.

Initially, I downloaded GoogleMaps and tried a GPS lock. First try, no success, but the second try I got a lock after about 5 minutes. After that, again no success. I then applied all the tweaks, change all my settings, blah blah blah, and nothing would get me a lock. Then I tried installing AT&T Navigator, ran the maps program, and got a GPS lock. Then I opened GoogleMaps and it worked just fine. After a soft reset, this method continued working, although GoogleMaps alone still couldn't get a fix. Then all of a sudden AT&T maps stopped working, as did GoogleMaps. Then, I tried the suggestion above of setting my GoogleMaps settings to the same settings as what the default AT&T settings are (COM4 4800 baud rate), and now when I run GoogleMaps it's telling me I don't even have GPS hardware, even after setting it back to managed by Windows.

I really hope someone figures this out.

Edit: Scratch that last part, soft reset got GoogleMaps to at least try to find some satellites...still no lock.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] AssassinsLament:
Well no one specifically stated that ATT was doing that as a fact, it was just speculation. As is/were all the fixes we tried finding. Isn't that what it's all about when you can't find a solution? You test, and try anything you can think of. You speculate and people give their inputs. That's what the internet and forums like this are good for.

Now my newest theory is that the GPS does need "assistance" to lock on quicker. Now why do I think the ATT proxy has something to do with it? Well, maybe the aGPS system needs to reach a specific server to assist the GPS, and by enabling the proxy, it's putting in settings that may not have been there at stock. Again, that's just my theory.

I have hard reset 3 times since I first tried it. Hard reset to make sure there is nothing else I'm doing as a variable. After the ATT customization, all I do is enable proxy, then do QuickGPS "download" then install Google maps, and after maybe an initial 30 seconds, it locks. It's worked for me 3 times out of 3, so I'm almost confident in it.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] cycicle:
any ideas if there's a difference between being plugged into a power source vs running off battery?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] 10332007:
Well, ask I was walking to my car from work I ran quick GPS to get the latest data, fired up GPS test. Within 10 seconds I had full lock on 10 satellites. Switched over to google maps and instantly had a solid lock. Drove for 30 minutes and the worst lag was about 2 - 3 seconds behind where I really was. Most of the time It was only 1 - 2 seconds behind which is great IMO.

I will keep testing over the next few days and post my results.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] carguy69:
Yea I think the key is to run quickGPS.

I ran quickgps and then loaded google maps. I then went to options in google maps and set the google gps options to com 4 and 4800, which is the default that windows mobile has the phone is set at. I then Shut down google maps, loaded it back up and it found 8 satellites instantly. I have only tried it once I will screw with it at work tonite.

everything is stock on my phone, I never installed that att navigator either, so there is no way its locked, just conflicting settings and people not running quickgps first and people not restarting programs when they make changes to settings
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] FuzzyLogic_FC:
I would like to thank you for this as well.

I will note that the very first application I installed was Google Maps on my brand new Fuze and hit the GPS and it worked. I was very happy since my previous phone didn't have GPS in it. But I didn't try it since then (Monday night) until this evening and then found this thread and the fix.

It's just strange that it worked that very first night. Since then, I've installed Advanced Config and a few other things, made some tweak changes, etc. but nothing concerning GPS specifically.

It'd be interesting to find an owner of a new Fuse and have them install Google Maps and try the GPS. Just to see if I'm losing my mind or not. ;)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] wonkotron:
Edit: Wow, first post on the forums AND its a double post.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] wonkotron:
I was able to get locks very quickly while on campus today. I had to be outside and away from buildings for it to work. Here is the method I used:

0. Soft-Reset

1. QuickGPS Download

2. GPSTest until 3D Fix, Close GPSTest

3. Open Google Maps

--Menu -> Use GPS

--Menu -> My Location

Note:

My Google Maps' GPS settings are managed by Windows.

Using this method, my location would be updated very quickly and I would see between 4 and 10 sats overhead.

While I was inside I started up GPSTest and it indicated that it was receiving signals from a few sats, but that the signal strengths were minimal. Because of this and problems being close to walls while outside, I am wondering if there is any way through registry settings to boost the power being sent to the receiver, so that signal strength isn't as dependent on perfectly clear skies overhead.

I'm using:

-Stock Fuze Rom, no bloatware

-Stock Radio (.....32)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] christian15213:
Mine works and I am not running any GPS test where can I get this. I am on Comm 0 with the aGPS disabled.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] christian15213:
my question is there such thing as a GPS kickstarter to have it active when you load a program and get it working...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] intothevoid:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=439002

read the 1st post.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Jelster:
In my experience of GPS I've always found that after powering off the GPS it requires some time to regain a fix. Some units retain their last fix data so that subsequent fixes can start at that point and be much faster. I have however seen it take 60-600 seconds to get a lock on a CF GPS card and my Axim (sometimes longer if I'm driving).

aGPS (which is what I assume QuickGPS is) just uses the phone's location to obtain that same kind of last location data from the operator and so narrows down the calculations needed to get that initial fix.

As for Lag, please define this because again my experience has always been that GPS is far from a precise representation of where you are, seems to always be a few meters or variation that could be interpreted as lag.

So my question is, are the people saying this isn't working coming at this from an experience of using GPS before or just with expectations of how they think it should work?

The comm port thing I can understand and live with but if the GPS on the Fuze is as buggy and broken as people are saying (and I hope it is just over expectations) then I'm going to be a sad bunny on Tuesday when I get mine.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] 10332007:
I dont think you will be a sad bunny, the Fuze can tend to be somewhat pickey in attaining a fix or not.

Downloading the Data usually will help when trying to get a fix theough GPS Test or another varient of it.

The "Lag" I see most people mentioning is the dealy and inaccuracy of its placement. My two tests on it thusfar with highway / city driving have had it pretty accurate and made me very happy with it.

The biggest complaint seems to be the inconsistancy in which it will get locks and retain it through different software.

I just leave GPS test running in the background when I get a lock and it seems to give me no problems going over to Google Maps. Once you get a lock it seems to hold it fairly well but getting that lock is where the Fuze is pickey at times.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] AssassinsLament:
Lately I've been having better success at getting GPS locks, but yeah, every time I reset the phone or power it off, the first lock is the hardest to get. Sometimes, up to 20 minutes. aGPS is seperate from QuickGPS, but aGPS is passive, while QuickGPS, you have to "download" data to help get a lock. ATT has some server addresses in the registry that aGPS connects to, to help get lock info. That's probably why, enabling the ATT proxy settings helped. Anyways, I have found that all the default settings on the ATT Stock rom works fine, just make sure to download data in QuickGPS and be patient. Be sure that GPS logfile size is 32 and not at 0. Then you just have to be patient.

The reason why I've been complaining is because I just returned my Sprint Touch Pro (same phone basically) and never once did I have to do all these things to get GPS going. Out of the box, installed google maps, 10 - 30 seconds, I get locks. I returned it because sprint's signal blows around here, and I like everything about the "fuze" better than sprint's, except... the gps acting weird.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] TweakMyDevice:
I have to say I've been impressed...

Less than 20hrs after I bought my Fuze I flashed monx's ROMeOS 1.4 rom. GPS performance is better than my Tilt was with a cooked rom. After only installing/running GPS Test, I had a 3D fix in under 15 seconds. Clear view of the sky, traveling at approx 40mph.

Didn't notice any lag whatsoever. As I later did some interstate traveling my GPS trianlge blip matched up with the map perfectly as I passed under bridges. This was using Live Search Maps by the way.

Good luck!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] wmm:
I was having slow erratic behavior with my GPS, using GPS Test or Google maps. Someone recommended changing the program port in External GPS to port 1. I did that and changed GPS Test to use port 1, 4800 bps. I now get very quick satellite locks. I do have aGPS enabled, and I did a QuicGPS a couple of days ago (it downloads a week's worth of data at a time, so AFAICT there's no need to keep doing that).

As for lag, I find it varies by program. Using AT&T Navigator (TeleNav), I generally see the map display showing my position about 2-4 seconds behind where I actually am. With the free navigation software AmazeGPS, my position seems to be generally accurate within a second or so. YMMV.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Antiprodigy:
The suggestions in this thread do the trick

One of the first things i did, when I got my Fuze 5 days ago, was put Google Maps on the phone. I was never capable of getting it, Live Search or AmAze GPS locating any satellites. With the help of this thread, I was finally able to get it to work. GPS Test did the trick, though I had to fiddle with the GPS settings to get it to work.

So, lesson is, though many are getting it to work with one setting, try it first, but don't give up if it doesn't work at first. Try different settings, but definitely run QuickGPS first and download GPS Test and run that as well. Once GPS Test shows a connection, Google Maps, etc. finds a connections in seconds.

Can't test how well it holds it while moving yet, as I haven't been anywhere, but thanks for all the help from everyone who contributed.

All that's left now is getting the darn Wi-Fi to work.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mindfrost82:
I had a Sprint Touch (Vogue) and I remember when they first released their GPS ROM (and the leaked ones), there were serious problems getting initial fixes. The solution was that a PPST file needed to be run under the Windows folder. I looked for that file on my Fuze and didn't see one anywhere...so either we're seeing similar issues or this file isn't needed on GSM networks.

I haven't tried driving with GPS, so I can't speak for the lag thing (I will try that tomorrow), but it does take significantly longer to get a fix than my Tilt did. I'm using the Blackstone radio and GPS seems about the same as the stock ATT radio. Atleast it helped my signal a little.