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[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] godfa7h3r:
Be prepared for a good rant:

Why has no one been working on re-writing or updating some of these emulators to work with the newer hardware? It seems to me that the majority of the software we are using hasn't been updated since WM5 at best.

I think it's clear that we have the hardware available and that the problem lies in the software. For crying out loud this phone is more powerful that the Gateway computer I purchased several years back that had a Pentium III 450Mhz that cost nearly $3000. And from a CPU/RAM standpoint it's getting almost as fast as the original Xbox (minus graphics processing of course) which can emulate nearly everything under the sun!

Before you start the flame fest on me... I completely understand that writing emulators is no easy task and that getting them to become compatible with multiple devices makes it that much harder. I'm just wondering as to why no one is actively working on updating any of these other than schtruck with fpseCE (PS1).

I'm just saying that it's really sad, and like everyone else says it's incredibly frustrating that it seems like no one cares enough to work on these when there is clearly a demand. It makes me wish I knew how to code because this is what I would be spending every spare minute I had on!

Sorry, I've been thinking this for close to 2 years now and just had to get it out. Makes me feel better. :)

Thoughts? Opinions? Rants?
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] zetec:
It's not nessicarily a software or hardware issue. it all comes down to drivers.

And HTC/Qualcomm have both already made their stances on that.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] biggerpickle:
i have pocketsnes and i cant open any .NES files, anyone else have this problem???
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] systoxity:
Use nester to open nes roms. pocketsnes is for super nintendo only
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] dr g:
I'm just looking for a Genesis emulator that has a on-screen d-pad.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] biggerpickle:
ok, i got my smartgear to work great!
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] godfa7h3r:
http://www.modaco.com/content/smart...2-an-updated-version-for-pocketpc-smartphone/

Has on screen buttons in portrait or landscape. However, I think it's just the main three buttons, not a dpad.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] dr g:
... which is why I am looking for one with an on-screen d-pad, as I said.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] Roflcopter_Down:
Is there any way to get these emulators to work in landscape mode?
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] systoxity:
it shouldnt be to big of a deal. the pocketsnes guys did a great job with that. We just need someone that understands how to do it :(
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] P0ll0L0c0:
I just thought I'd add the following for anyone still struggling with keyboard lag on the touch pro. At PPCGeeks I found the following registry settings which greatly speed things up:

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\ControlPanel\Keybd

"InitialDelay"=dword: dec 125 (default value = 375)

"RepeatRate"=dword: dec 2 (default value - 8 )

My default values were actually twice what's listed there (ie - 750) which explains the terrible lag I had. Now, I have next to no keyboard lag so I've found games up to the Genesis now play smoothly. Even with TV Out.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] DSF:
Well you made me curios so I changed the values. I can confirm that the gameplay is far away from smoothly. Far away.

I don't know how you feel the gameplay smoothly.. but I've recoreded 2 videos playing on touch pro and on htc tornado (an old 2005 ti omap 850!) and the smoothness is visible, touch pro is BELOW .

Btw, are you using sound? What emulator are you using?

Try Sonic 3 & Knukles with masterall Picodrive.

If you don't have anything to compare with.. logically you say that it play smooth because you can get relative good framerate (not for me). Plus those fast arcade games are unjoyable with these qualcomm vsync issues .

I have tested multi console MorphGear and it emulates so worse (tried snes, gba, etc).. that I've lost any belief in smooth emulation on touch pro.

Genesis Plus is much worse than PicoDrive.

BTW, I've used the same version of PicoDrive on both HTC Tornado & HTC Touch Pro. Videos can be found in this topic.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] P0ll0L0c0:
For some reason, the version of Sonic 3 that I have doesn't work on my Touch Pro and I have no interest in finding a new one, since that's not one of my favorite games.

On Genesis, I've used PicoDrive to play Altered Beast, Sonic, Splatterhouse 2, and Golden Axe. All seem to play fullspeed to me - or close enough that I don't notice.

I've also extensively used Final Burn to play Final Fight, Knights of the Round, Sengoku 3, Dungeons and Dragons, Dimago and Do Don Pachi. All 100% speed or close to it. The only game I didn't get 100% speed with was Shock Troopers 2 for neo geo - there were some high action scenes that had some slowdown.

Before this phone I had a 6700 overclocked to 624 mghz. This phone is NOT as fast as that one, but it's better than I expected for a VGA device. And it's exceeded my expectations for TV Out. My only slowdowns were experienced from lag when pushing a button - but with this fix, it goes away. I've actually reduced the values below what's listed, to be honest.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] DSF:
Well, if you watch the videos (I repost 'em: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrLD8OGFk8w vs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFmUxwGBmMc ) you will 'feel' the smoothness that actually make the difference.

Beside Sonic all the other games aren't "fast action" game... I mean.. in Sonic the backgrounds and sprites are chaning fast.. (I'm talking about PicoDrive ROMs you've listed there)

I've tried Final Fight too. It's preety ok, sound a bit choppy.

You forgot to answer my question regarding the sound :P.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] P0ll0L0c0:
I forgot to answer one of your questions - I do play with sound.

The only sluggish performance I get is with Nop's SNES which is about halfspeed. But my 6700 couldn't even get fullspeed without frameskipping - so I wasn't expecting much.

Do any of these programs output framerate for active comparison? Because I have little to no interest in taping my gameplay. I just don't have the time, gaming on my phone is purely for leisure - like quick breaks at work.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] P0ll0L0c0:
I just saw that we posted at the same time, and you make one gross exaggeration. Use Finalburn to play Dimahoo and Do Don Pachi - and tell me those games aren't fast action games with lots of sprites. Those play smoothly for me - are they choppy for you?

I have no idea what differences you might have with your phone, or what you were expecting - but I've been pleased with TP performance. I expected some dropoff from the 6700, and there's some - but it was less than I expected considering it's VGA and a slower frequency.

By any chance, do you have bluetooth or wifi on, or other programs running in the background? I've only noticed slow play when I accidentally output bluetooth stereo to my headphones, and had WMP in the background.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] DSF:
Sorry, I've corrected my post . (I'm talking about PicoDrive ROMs you've listed there)

I will try some day that ROMs

No, I'm not using Wifi nor BT. I know that outputing sound to BT (via A2DP profile) takes a lot of CPU on WM.

I'm expecting more than what I've got . In all domains.. (again, see the vids when you have some time)

No, games aren't my main activity. But it's nice to be able to play smooth some classics/nice games.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] P0ll0L0c0:
I agree with you. I'll try to see the videos that you've posted - Mikey already showed me one, but I can't see the other yet because work won't allow me to access youtube. I tried to reproduce your problems with Sonic 3 but was unable to even get that ROM to play - though it works on my PSP.

BTW - Final Fight never had great sound, it was always choppy/cheesy. :-)

Hopefully we get all the problems resolved, but I suspect it'll be a problem with expectation. When I got this phone, I expected worse.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] DSF:
I can send you if you want. :P (Sonic and Knuckles & Sonic 3 (JUE) [b1][x] - that's the "good name" of the ROM)

I thought that it may be a problem with emulation of the sound and not with the device..

Well, I've expected a lot more since I'm coming from a 200Mhz CPU device. That's why such a disappointment.

I hope too that someone or something will fix these issues.. maybe more optimized software or drivers (if applicable)
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] g2tl:
Maybe it has to do with the resolution as well?

vga will require more than qvga (sort of 4 times more, but not really)

I don't doubt the processor sucks, but I think it could be a little more optimized, which isn't likely to happen because most of these emulators were out few years back.

Honestly, I find the framerate to be acceptable in general.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] Roflcopter_Down:
How are you guys controlling your emulators without widescreen? The d pad on the Touch Pro is terrible.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] chewrawka:
KforTouchPro?

is anyone having a problem with KforTouchPro crashing thier rom? i have the new rre 4.4 SE and it works fine fine but if i leave i on my rom freezes and when i SR my phone dosent load past the HTC slide between splash screens? anyone have an idea? or do i just make sure to switch back to et9 before doing anything else? plz help
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] myselfboi:
Kfortouchpro

Yup, same here, I wrote in Raphael Software issues section, but no one addressed it. I have the same problem with RRE 4.3 rom. Whenever you leave the M$ IME on, and then reset the device, or if it crashes and self resets, the rom cannot boot back to today screen. The only way to solve was to go to bootloader screen and flash the rom back in....Pretty annoying to the point where i don't even bother with emulators anymore. None of the emulators work perfectly with sound and picture quality for this device yet (I'm pretty picky too lol I need to here those classic music tracks with good gameplay). So I guess I gotta stick to my psp and ds.... Give me a heads up if you find an emulator that works close to the original devices!
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] myselfboi:
Oh yea, and yes, you must always remember to switch back to t9 or you will freeze the device on bootup. Unfortunately if you reset or the device crashes, you best be near a computer to get the phone working again!
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] godfa7h3r:
Those of you that have MorphGear working fairly decently...

What are the settings you are using? Are you playing landscape with Kfortouchpro? It seems like it's terribly glitchy when doing this. It is very difficult to pull up the menu or to pause the game to go answer a text message quick.

I'm starting to think it might be best to just hold off until Windows Mobile 7 at which time these emulators will likely have to be rewritten... which sucks :(
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] phibo:
Is there anyway to get my bluetooth game controller to work on touch pro ?
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] Agent Blair:
I found a Playstation emulator on this site located here:

http://www.fpsece.net/

Guide: http://www.fpsece.net/docs/ReadME_English.htm

The site does not support the download, however, I managed to retrieve the download through google cache. I haven't even tried it on my touch pro and I sound crazy for not even testing it but I haven't had time since I had to re-load everything in. The site has been abandoned for a long time now, but it was linked from several notable sites in archived blogs and forums.

I will try it tomorrow when I have time and see how far I get. But in the mean time I'll attach it here.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] bigfootale:
ktouch still not working

i see posts that people get pocketnester and pocketsnes working using ktouch, but i cannot get the keys to map correctly for the life of me. is there a config file that can be exported/imported for any of these apps? i would really appreciate if someone that had a working setup could share something like this. i know that the directional keys are transposed, but my abxy buttons are never right either. perhaps even a screenshot of the button config screen would help?
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] systoxity:
For the ps1 emulator it works, gve it a shot. But really its not very playable. Some games run better than others but the ones ive tried are extremly slow and crash :(. Bigfoottale you gotta start up ktouch and click the switch to m92 whatever button untill it says switch to t9 then start up the eumlator and do your keys. Everything works but the directional buttons which you play around with so you get the up down left right in the right direction.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] bigfootale:
systoxity, thanks for quick reply. I am able to get most of the keys mapped but cannot find anything that works for UP. what key are you using for UP?

fyi i am using this config:

up= 0x41 (doesn't work, trying to assign the W key)

down=0x44 (assigns 'Z' key)

left = 0x5a (assigns 'A' key)

right = 0xD (assigns 'D' key)
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] systoxity:
i think i use the right key play around with it. are you using a stock rom or custom rom? i find natfs rom works well with it. if you use a custum run then you might need to use a keyboard fix and then use kfortouchpro. in anycase try to bind the up button to left right or down till you find which one actually moves you up. gl :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] cydetrakd:
i completly agree with you on this one. i've been using ppc for about four years and honestly gave up since the 6700. I figured with the beefy specs of the touchpro it should handle some emus great and was excited only to find out the same emus havent been updated im hoping for a new mame emu designed around the touch pro or diamond
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] g2tl:
kfortouchpro doesn't crash on some ROM's, notably PROven (and Lantis, I think, but not sure).

I personally use a modified version of PROven (most software not installed)
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] systoxity:
i guess we just dont have enough of a croud to have enough enough people with the technical know how or the will to make a great emu based on touch pro. Now if this thing was pitched like the iphone was, im sure we'd have a full blown 30fps ps1 emu right now lol.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] m0nkeyf00t:
anyone know how fix the glitch in nesterj4u that flips the landscape screen upside down during game play even though the emulator is right side up when paused?
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] hidden_hunter:
Due to sheer variety of WinMo devices it's very difficult to write optimised code
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] RADRaze2KX:
I'm coming from a mogul, i now have the HTC Touch Pro... does it have the ability to push more than 2 hardkeys at the same time, which the mogul did NOT have?

if so, I'm totally getting back into emulation.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] hidavi:
PocketSNES 1.53 crashes on my Pro whenever I try to load a ROM.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] thoughtlesskyle:
how hard would it be to port an emulator designed for windows to the touch pro, i mean the snes9x's layout would work on a ppc and i think the TP has plenty of memory to run it
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] Illspirit:
Pocketsnes was created from snes9x
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] ginhou:
I'm not quite sure what I did exactly, or at what point this happened, but I'm now able to get nearly full speed SNES emulation out of my stock Fuze when the sound is off.

I downloaded and installed the opengl-es drivers described in another thread http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=415523

After that I downloaded and installed the following SNES emulators:

PocketSNES v1.12.200 build 2007-02-02

PocketSNES v2.00 build 2006-05

PocketSNES v1.53 build 2007-10-25

I turned off sound emulation and noticed the games were running perfectly smooth with no choppy graphics. The roms I tried were FF2, FF3, Chrono Trigger, Tetris Attack, R-Type 3, and Super Mario World.

Is this scenario pretty much standard for these emulators, or did my random driver installs have something to do with it?
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] godfa7h3r:
Have you tried Super Mario RPG?
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] da_jojo:
i found some emulators in the back regions of my harddrive.

maybe it can be of joy.

- pocketgba

- pocketgenesis

- pocketsnes

- yame CE
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] ginhou:
well, using v2.00 the game takes about 20 seconds to load, after which the opening splash screen and intro animation play very smoothly (albeit a little slow). pressing start brings up a blank screen, although it isnt a crash because i can still pause and exit normally.

using v1.12 yielded similar results, except i could actually play the game. motion was perfectly smooth although a little slow. probably about 80 of normal speed compared to desktop emulation. transitions from world map to battle screens and back took about 10 seconds.

v1.53 just stayed blank on load, but i ciuld still pause and exit normally.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] fbituner:
Get Pocket Nester to work

To solve the black screen: Options - Graphics - check show all 240 scanlines

To solve exiting on selecting rom: Options - check PAL Mode

To set controllers:

Up: Left 0x25

Down: Right 0x27

Left: Down 0x28

Right: Up 0x26
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] tassadar898:
Can you post v1.12? I cant find that particular build and Super Mario RPG keeps locking up on all the v1.12 builds i've tried.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] ginhou:
The build I am using is n0p's latest, downloaded from http://n0p.tonych.info/?PocketSNES.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] Agent Blair:
Could you show a picture of that configuration, or tell me which buttons those are? I have KforTP and it took a bunch of messing with the keyboard to finally get decent controls. It's really hard to tell, thanks.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] Baronic:
I've tested FPSECE 0.96 on my Touch Pro and it works like a charm!!! I've uploaded the 0.96 file together with the PS Bios, u can download it at the following link. Also included a tutorial on how to install/run

http://heretical-rantings.blogspot.com/2009/03/playstation-on-windows-mobile-freeware.html
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] dieKatze88:
I dont know if its been said but Pocket Nester Plus works great on my Fuze and lets me play Cosmic Wars and Famicom Wars wherever I am. Full speed with sound. Had to do a registry edit to get the last control setting done because I refuse to play with touch screens or the alike.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] Agent Blair:
I tried that and it worked flawlessly, well only two games worked for me so far. The keyboard buttons work perfectly, better than all the other emulators! I am not sure why that is, I don't even need KforTP.

Does anyone know the what registry edits I need to do in order to get the keyboard to work every single time on the other emulators like the SNES emulator or morphgear?
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] Techmaga:
Okay, okay... I'm very sorry for being ignorant but I'm not really that knowledgeable when it comes to emulators... When I had PPC6700 and PPC6800 (Mogul), a friend simply installed it for me and I was like "cool! worm wars <3" but didn't really wonder how he got the stuff... Recently I found it it was from an emulator...

Okay, I tried reading through the thread but uuh, there were many different programs mentioned, errors with them, what's right for what, etc...

Can someone tell me in simple terms what I'm supposed to download? Hopefully direct me to it. Is pocketsnes a collection of game or "console" and then I have to download games?

I have Touch Pro by the way.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] DavidJ84:
I don't think Super Mario RPG is going to run anywhere close to playable on the Touch Pro. The original cartridge had a processor inside of it that worked with the Super Nintendo's own CPU. This was one of the last major hurdles in the SNES emu scene back in the day along with the SuperFX chip. If you have a PSP, it runs somewhat decent with a lot of frameskipping with the SNES9x port though.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] WerKKill:
DoomPPC

DoomPPC seems to run pretty nicely on my TP. The problem, though, is that there is no button mapped for e.g. "use/open". Is there any way of knowing what the numerical values for the hardware buttons are so that one could edit the doomrc.cfg?
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] akaruna:
ok i got the FPSce to work... it runs ok but not complety fast enough for ff8 and lod i'm only getting about 20 fps on average... i have the settings

Display:

GAPI

landscape right

Joypad:

left=a

up=w

right=d

down=s

l1=q

l2=e

square=j

triangle=i

X=k

circle=l

r1=u

r2=o

start=x

select=z

im in love with rpgs... if any one can tell me how to get the framerate higher i would greatly appreciate it...
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] akaruna:
FPSEce!!! Settings for FF 8!!!

okay ppl, forget about my last post...

i got FF8 running about 30-50 fps :D

the settings i used were as follows:

Cpu mode: recompiler

Cpu type: ARM V4

Joypad: {assign buttons on the options screen}

Left - A

Up - W

Right - D

Down - S

L1 - Q

L2 - E

Square - J

Triangle - I

X - K

Cirle - L

R1 - U

R2 - O

Menu - M

B - B;

GFX Driver: GAPI

FPS couter: off {uncheck}

Fast Boot: on {check}

Frame Skip: on {check}

Display: Landscape Right;

During game play:

press M {menu}

go to options and set frame skip to 2 {dont set it higher or it gets a little choppy}

then tap continue;

{WHEN IN A BATTLE MAKE SURE YOU TOGGLE OFF THE FRAMESKIP +2; PUT IT BACK TO 0, OR ELSE YOU WONT BE ABLE TO SEE THE ACTION SCREEN *ATTACK, DRAW, GF, MAGIC, ETC!!!*}

I'm gonna try and figure out the best settings for FF 7, RE: 2, RE: Directors Cut, RE: 3, LOD {Legend of Dragoon}, Bloody Roar 1&2.

I'm so ecstatic that i got this to work better on my Touch Pro {sprint}...

The FPS was pissing me off at first but now i got it to work on landscape and with QWERTY keyboard :D :D :D

and if any one can direct me to a good program to speed up the game a little bit more i would appreciate it very much... thx
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] Agent Blair:
That's good information akaruna. Although I deleted FF8 from my computer when I could never find the right settings:mad: But I'll try it with your settings when I get the ISO again.

FPSEce 1.0 is coming out soon. Not sure when, but the developers say very soon. Here is their forums:

http://fpsece.e3b.org/forum2/

Also, I tried the same SNES emulator posted, and I tried it on my Dell Axim X5, and it worked even quicker and better than my TP!! It must be optimized for the xscale processor. It worked so flawlessly I let my 9-year old cousin play some games on it, not worrying about it freezing up or accidentally pressing the wrong button!
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] philliyxx:
How do you install those drivers? siorry if its a noob question?
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] euphoria47:
i know this is a late response, but you cannot properly play with full onscreen buttons. the resistive touchscreen is not capable of multitouch, so if you ever need to use 2 inputs at once, you are SOL.

i think picodrive with dpad and 3 onscreen buttons is the best emulation solution so far. I have tried morphgear with vga resized skins, but when i play super mario world, i cannot run and jump, rendering the game unplayable.

n0p's pocketsnes seems to be the best solution, as it is similar to picodrive where you can combine dpad with onscreen buttons. i have yet to try mapping the volume rockers as L/R trigger buttons, ill try it when i get some time.

I use ROMeOS 1.90.2, and i changed in advanced config the d3d driver from ati (default) to intel. I achieve slightly better device performance, slightly better framerate with pocket snes and coreplayer plays a video clip at 112% in benchmark, where with the ati driver it scored 106%

has anyone tried any of the 6.5 builds with emulators? i suspect wm 6.5 and 7 may address some performance issues