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[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] P0ll0L0c0:
I've 100% discovered that any slowdown with games on the touch pro - is 100% due to lag from the keyboard. It may not even be the background program "Kfortouchpro". Some users have reported that they have keyboard lag when typing - UNTIL they flash to a new rom (GSM version). I hope there's a similar fix for the CDMA version. Then it may be reasonable to use this phone for gameplay with the keyboard.

What I did to test this was by digging up (it took hours) my old smartphone bluetooth joystick. I installed the program (told it it was an HTC Magician) and then mapped the joystick buttons to the very few hardware keys that register. By the way - on the keyboard, up down left and right map independently without k for touch pro - and there's apparently no lag.

Once I'd mapped to the hardware keys, I started playing Finalburn. It played awesome. Almost 100% speed. On some high speed action shootemups (shocktroopers 2) - I saw a little slowdown. That said, I'm picky about emulation, and I have no concerns about recommending Finalburn on the touchpro. It's beautiful, great speed, and it looks and sounds great on the VGA screen and speakers.

I then tried Picodrive - and it worked just as well! The difficult and jittery gameplay I had before, were purely from the keyboard lag. I'm happy - and I'm still hopeful I can connect my phone to the tv and play games from my couch on the bluetooth joystick. However, I'm expecting serious slowdown due to tv out.

Mikeeey, to answer 2 of your questions. I'd heard about Verizon's initial plans to issue a crippled touch pro - slower processor and half the ram - for the same price. So I sent a complaint e-mail, wondering why it wouldn't make sense to switch to Sprint. I never got a reply. So I decided to switch to Sprint. It makes sense for me - the same unlimited data plan is at least $15 cheaper than Verizon's and I haven't had any coverage issues since I got this phone 3 weeks ago.

The Verizon phone, since many user complaints - may not be as crippled as originally planned. The latest rumors I've heard were that the Verizon XV6850 will have almost the same processor and 192 megs of RAM as opposed to the 256 of the Sprint Touch Pro. Early leaks suggested that the Verizon prototype is a touch slower. We'll see.

Mikeeey - the vertical shooters you're suggesting would stink on this phone that way. The optical joystick and surrounding buttons stink. Very often you press one direction (they're connected) and the next direction registers. So it's not very accurate and I try not to use it. For a vertical shooter I'd either use the direction buttons on the pull out keyboard (they work as I mentioned) and the 3 front face buttons that register.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] mikeeey:
well im glad you discovered the problem, I'm glad to know it's fast!

ah yes, the speakers, how are they? louder than the 6700 and kaiser? does it have good sound quality?

So I assume you use the arrow keys on the keyboard then, isnt that difficult considering you cant easily go from 1 key to the next or press 2 at the same time. For example trying to press right and up at the same time? on my Tilt if I try to do that I end up pressing "enter" as well.

damn.. vertical shooters are my favorite.. does the D-pad actually "click" or is it touch buttons? I didnt have enough time to figure it out when I played with it. and is there a single softkey button on the device anywhere?
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] DarkManX4lf:
PocketNester does work for me but the problem is when you open the keypad it the program doenst switch to landscape. I couldnt get the on screen dpad, a, and b buttons to work either.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] P0ll0L0c0:
The speakers are solid. I hardly ever used them on the 6700 so I can't say for sure whether they're better. There are mixed reviews - and you'll see several threads on the topic. Some people have low volume on the speakers - others have low volume on the earpiece. I have earpiece volume issues. There's definitely a program out there to amplify sound however.

I think you're always going to be disappointed by vertical shooters on the touch pro. The keyboard keys are too close together, and the optical joystick is pretty bad in my opinion. It definitely clicks. There's no soft keys that I've identified in the last 2 weeks that I've owned the phone.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] mikeeey:
Well vertical shooters wouldnt use the keyboard keys.

I guess I'll just have to try myself.. I'm still not sure if I should get the TP or wait on the next best device..
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] Quake3000:
Well it can actually work if you use eks autofire on this games so you dont need to bother to shot just steer or you can try to use the volum keys to shoot and drop bomb with eks up shot down bomb. But its easy to click wrong button and eks hit the home button when you steer the plane with dpad. Or maybe use the skin/screenpad to steer on screen instead the dpad. Have not tryed how that are with screenpad but when you have used the dpad for awhile it will be easyer to use the dpad! played a verticall scroller game today 19xx the war agains destiny did not hit the wrong buttons myself so guess it are something to get used too;)
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] P0ll0L0c0:
Quake - you still owe us a video and more information on your setup. You're the only person on 2 forums that reports no lag with the keyboard. What ROM are you running, and do you know of any registry setting or ap that you used to make the keyboard speed up in regular use (ie text)?
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] Quake3000:
yeah but still is my N95 on care center! im running rom version 1.90.409.6 NOR Rom Date 08.23.08 still dont get the lag issue even when i use the keyboard...played alot games on emulators and still not have one issue with the keyboard and havent added any custom rom or tweaks to it:D

BTW i promise to post video when i get my n95 so i can record it in action;)
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] P0ll0L0c0:
OK, but how about the basics - what carrier and phone do you have? Did you flash the rom at all or is it stock? Thanks.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] Quake3000:
well i dont have a specially carrier here did buy it without any carrier just use my chess card here they use netcoms net..its stock rom. And the phone are htc touch pro europe edition or what i can call it. The roms on my phone do i get from htc.com/europe is the messages i got when i did buy it. And i live in norway if it help. And strange part is that i havent noticed any of the common keyboard error on my phone not lag or anything. hope this clear up something. And to be honest this is the best phone i had so far! i have always been a nokia guy until my last nokia (N95) did crash then i did the hard step to get a new phone from another manufactor then i came up with the htc touch pro...(my first windows mobile ever) and as far as i can say my next phone will also be a htc phone since they have alot good games with good gfx and the emulators run way better than it did on my symbian phone N95;)
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] gsd17:
Coming from the Mogul w/ hard buttons made it easier to play than using the keyboard on the TP. Has anyone tried a usb controller on these emulators? Will it remap the keys?

Like this one here..

http://www.geniusnet.com/geniusOnli...50&_pageLabel=productPage&test=portlet-action
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] P0ll0L0c0:
I'm 99% sure that won't work. The Touch Pro doesn't have USB host capability - you can't connect USB hardware to it and have it be recognized.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] godfa7h3r:
Hey mikeeey nice to see you again! I figured I'd see you lurking around the gaming related threads for this phone. I myself haven't yet picked up a Fuze because I'm waiting to see how emulators work on it and such. Sounds like there are still a few things that need to be worked out.

On a sidenote, has anyone tried running Warcraft II yet? I'm just dying to know what that looks like on the VGA screen!!
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] Zalon:
Just wanted to chime in. SmartGear works flawlessly in landscape mode for GameBoy Color, NES, GameGear, MasterSystem, TurboGrafx-16, and Genesis/MegaDrive. Using KforTP, the keyboard works and there is no lag whatsoever using NATF's Roms. It's a really good program.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] :
Hey Zalon, could you share you kfortp that works perfectly? I searched the forums but it looks like the creator took it down temporarily saying it was buggy. However since yours works beautifully, please share?
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] P0ll0L0c0:
I hope someone figures out what exactly was changed to fix the keyboard lag issue on that ROM. I can use Smartgear well, but not with the keyboard. Only with a bluetooth joystick or keyboard.

On that note, I made a TV Out cable per the instructions on PPCGeeks.com. It didn't go very well because I have no experience with wiring - but I got something that works when I move the cable just right. I was surprised how well it works with Finalburn.

I connected the phone to my TV and kicked in Finalburn. It ran surprisingly well! Full or near full speed on my TV! I used my bluetooth joystick to play from the couch - and got through a few levels of Final Fight. I also got through the first level of Dungeons and Dragons, Tower of Doom. Picodrive will tax the processor more - but I'm hoping it will work well.

The only drawback is that there's next to no range on the bluetooth joystick - I had to have the phone only a couple feet away.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] 83jb:
P0ll0L0c0, what bluetooth controller are you using? Is it the bgp 100?

Also, has anyone tried the mobile versions of quake or doom on the touch pro?
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] mikeeey:
lol of corse I'll be lurking around here, any gaming thread I'll be in.

I would go to the AT&T store and test out the Fuze myself with some games on my memory card but they dont even have it on display:(
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] stevopativo:
Keyboard Help

Does that keyboard app stop the typing during the game from the hardware keyboard? If not does anyone know how to stop the hardware keyboard from popping up with the typing text in the background? I assume that would be the cause of the lag while using these programs!? My PocketNesterPlus works great except for that issue on the phone. I also have FPSEce running on here with halfway decent speeds, as well as Picodrive and PocketSNES. Just wish the Keyboard wouldn't type through everyone of my programs!
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] zetec:
What settings are people using to get FPSCE running on the Touch Pro? I have a stock sprint TP with FPSCE .96, I'm trying to get FF7 running with no success. I can get the rom to boot through the sony screen (I'm assuming this is the bios being loaded) with full sound at decent speed, but it won't go any further than that. I've seen many success reports on the Diamond, and I know the Diamond is quite similar to the TP, so I'm not sure as to why it doesn't seem to be working on the Touch Pro.

Help!
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] biggerpickle:
ive got smartgear and a few games, but i cant get the controls down for ****. any suggestions??
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] stevopativo:
I've found how to get the keyboard to stop popping up with the typing screen during the emulators but it still reads the keys in the background which causes the programs to lag. Has anyone found a fix for this yet?
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] mikeeey:
How well do diagonal presses work in games? (ex. holding up and right at the same time?)
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] Austin519:
I have PocketSNES working like a champ on my Touch Pro (using ROMeos 1.40, in case anyone's curious). Someone on Modaco was kind enough to release a version with various resolution support. This is the only version I have gotten to work on my phone, but it works great.

http://www.modaco.com/content/smartphone-software-games/237589/pocketsnes-1-53/

And I've attached it as well. FYI, you need an additional file to load the games, tGetFile, which I have attached an eval version of; you also need the remapping file (I believe previously mentioned, but I attached it anyway), to remap the keyboard temporarily to use in-game (just turn off when done). I have literally just gotten all of this to work, so I don't know if there's a version of tGetFile without that annoying popup yet, and the sound isn't perfect...I think it's dropping a few frames, but otherwise it's fantastic.

Austin519
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] Raspster:
How did you get the keyboard to map properly? I installed all the files and when I try to map the keyboard, it erases my last mapped key. Even after that, the one mapped key I have will not work. The directional works with the 4-way on the pro and it seems yu can map some of the keys on the device but not any of the keyboard keys. Am I doing something wrong?
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] DSF:
Thanks guys for keeping this topic updated. When I have some more free time I will try to test more emulators and update the first post.

However, I'm kinda disspointed about the gameplay experience..

I've recorded touch pro & htc tornado playing Sonic 3 in Picodrive. Same application on both devices.

HTC Tornado (SPV C600)

TI OMAP 850 @ 200 MHz, overclocked at 252Mhz, chipset launched in 2005

In action: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFmUxwGBmMc

Touch Pro/Diamond

Qualcomm MSM7201A @ 528 MHz, chipset launched in 2008

In action: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrLD8OGFk8w

(the device in video is a touch pro)

For more information about Touch Pro performance please follow this topic

As it can be observed in the videos.. the gameplay is smoother on the htc tornado (almost perfectly playable, too bade because of controls).

@Raspster try KforTouchPro, allready posted here.

@mikeeey diagonal work (eg: left and up pressed at the sime time).. but the d-pad is not so games-friendly.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] systoxity:
Beautiful, great find austin. And yes dfs it is very frustrating, isn't the htc fuze supposed to be the most powerful smartphone out there at the moment? its an outrage how crippled it is :(
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] joocrazy:
The benchmark for the Samsung Epix is a lot faster: http://www.pocketnow.com/index.php?a=portal_detail&t=reviews&id=1106&p=4

I'll probably trade this in for one.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] hoyeah:
Hi there,

I use exactly the same package on my TP and it works properly except for some lagging problems when I quit pocketsnes.

And more, after kfortouchpro is launched I have a bug when typing sms.

to resume, when done playing I just reboot the phone to have it working properly.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] OsirisFael:
Anyone know why KforTouchPro won't work on mine?

I'm using sprint's model, running on the JD's latest rom.

Is JD's rom unsupported.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] NuShrike:
Just tried GLBenchmark on the Epix, but it won't run. I postulate no native OpenGL ES support.

However, it's plenty fast (if it doesn't crash) on the LG Incite (surprise! 7201 chip), and actually faster than Kaiser for about the same res, and of course faster than Touch Pro, but may not be fair because of different res.

GLBenchmark Pro ES 1.0 :	108 Frames

It would probably activate the Back/OK key instead if you tried that. D-Pad on this One & Co design is USELESS!
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] DSF:
Please be more explicit. It doesn't run? It give you an error? Have you tap "Switch to M$ IME"?

I've tried morphgear: sega, snes, nes, gba.. all are so... unplayable. fps rate bellow 30 (about 15-30) from 60. even at 100% scale (~ 1/4 of screen) and without sound. choppy sound!

You can give it a try from

http://www.spicypixel.com/web/page/morphgear/Download.aspx

Did anyone found an emulator for sega/snes/nes that is working perfectly with sound?
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] systoxity:
the one posted furthur up works prett decently for snes. however, this is really frustrating on how weak this phone is. i wish we could do something about it.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] zetec:
Are you running it? It took me a while to realize the default install sticks the app in the Games directory. For some reason I thought it was a pure background service.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] pazookie:
i just wanna share ANOTHER reason why i love my FUZE!!! it runs POCKETGBA..my tilt stopped running pocketgba after wm 6.1 came out and now it works again on my fuze..and so fast i can run it with out any frame skipping and the music is tolerable..LOVIN IT!! (now i can continue playing final fantasy vi advance lol)
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] systoxity:
Lucky

Hey pazookie, thats great, im really happy for you!. If you could be so kind as to write down your setup and emu program it would be greatly appreciated. Ive been messing around with different emulators for game boy advance but they run very slow for me. If anyone can help i would be greatful :cool:
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] zetec:
So i finally got fPSce running, at least to a degree. Turns out my problem was with my self-ripped FF7 ISO, i've gotten a few other games to run via ISOs i've managed to stumble across elsewhere.

I'm still having issues geting a decent framerate, i've found the best settings so far with the LFB driver, but it's still barely playable. sound is there but too slow to be of any use, turning it off would possibly boost the framerate, however there isn't a way to stop the actual audio decoding in fPSce 0.96. (turning the sound button off just mutes it.)

The official fPSce site says that 1.0 should be out before christmas, and that it's been rewritten mostly from the ground up.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] systoxity:
maybe if we got some decent drivers. in any case, super nintendo still has slow downs i dont see how we are going to emulate ps1 on this phone and have it playable. p.s. im not trying to rain on your parade its just not looking good though.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] TheTruth:
you don't have to rain on anyone's parade because the pro can emulate the ps1 as well as it emulated snes in morphgear... which is not that great... but it still works. in resident evil i get about 20fps, in hot shots golf i max at 40 and average around 15, in crash bandicoot 2 and crash kart i get 15 fps. the problem is definately NOT the muscle - the touch pro HAS PLENTY... its poorly written drivers for our chipset and running code that isn't optimized for the cpus we have.

if you search around for a reason, company A (HTC) buys X chipset (7201A) from Y company (qualcomm). then company y says to company a, we have a number of levels of driver support for these chipsets, which level would you like to be at for licensing purposes? company a says, shoot we are cheap and don't care that much about the customer so let's just get the basic driver support... company y then says, cool and rakes in the cash.

we have some beefy graphics power under the hood of the TP, but just like previous crippled chipsets from HTC - it is all the fault of bad drivers we can't utilize it all (bad drivers = chipset drivers for the phone come in different versions and we didn't get the driver set that unlocks the full potential of the phones).

and before anyone gets all "well this is XDA and they can make drivers." no, they can't. in order to make drivers for this specific chipset they would have to reverse engineer it... or have ins with the boffins over at qualcomm who can show them the right direction for programming for these proprietary chipsets... right now, qualcomm does not release an sdk with their products, they provide the proper support to those who pay for it... perhaps if someone can track down a device that uses our chipset but blazes through games then we can take the drivers for that device and use them on ours...

but right now, HTC is the only company i know of that uses the 7201a; and, insofar, it seems that the drivers for this phone are crippled and do not fully utilize the gpu built into the chipset (because HTC didn't pay for the fancy stuff for us... after all, they classify it as a business phone... which oddly enough, if this is not intended to be a graphics machine or multimedia machine... why the TV out and why bundle youtube?)

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[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] systoxity:
yeah i read about that, its very frustrating. at least things can only get better right?

In any case i didnt think that ps1 would emulate as well as an snes since the snes doesnt do very well itself. Ps1 is much more complicated then an snes.

Ok after saying all that, so who has gba working well?
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] Eric03:
I just read this entire thread and it seems that smartgear is the best solution for multi-platform emulation... for now. Is this correct?
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] heychillout:
GBA doesn't work for me

I tried to get pocketGBA to run on my fuze and it didn't work correctly. Can anyone share their setup of the program?

Here's what I'm running:

htc fuze with NATF's 3.2 ROM

pocketgba rel60723

pocketgba started up ok and said it loaded the game rom successfully, however when I go to play it is either just a blank area where the game is supposed to be(it shows some on screen buttons) or it goes to a black screen or a white screen depending on how I've set the options that site pocketGBA site says to adjust to make different roms work (i.e. sound off, cart masking, cart patch)
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] systoxity:
i also have problems with this. Bump :(
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] meth0dGSX:
I used SmartGear and had a bunch of NES and Genesis working, not perfect by any means, some work better then others.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] systoxity:
something i have noticed recently if you use pocket snes some games that dont work actually work if you just turn sound emulation off. might help with other emu's as well, dunno : /
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] ginhou:
For classic NES emulation, I would recommend the old jetech.org PocketNester (v0.7 available from SourceForge).

http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=71201

I had this stored on a MiniSD card in my old Audiovox Thera (w00t classic VZW PDA phone). Moved the executable and roms onto the Fuze, and ran it through File Explorer.

Setup was as follows:

[Preferences]

Auto frame skip = off

Frame skip = 0

Thread Priority = normal

[Graphics]

Show more than 8 sprites per line = on

Show all 240 scanlines = on

GAPI = enabled *** this is probably the only CRITICAL setting ***

[Sound]

Sound = enabled

Sample Rate = 48000

Sample Size = 16

Keyboard mapping would only work with KforTouchPro installed and set to M$IME. Unfortunately, the program does not recognize screen rotation, so sliding the keyboard open leaves the game running in portrait mode. I suppose there is a program that can forcibly rotate the screen image (gyrator perhaps?) but I haven't tried it yet.

Nevertheless, I've tried several games and they all work darn near perfect (SMB1/2/3, Punchout, Goonies1/2, FF1/2/3, Zelda1/2, Recca, etc...)