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[Touch HD General] mib1800:
Why the heck are you putting words in my mouth? :mad: I have not declare anything (deny or support). You have put up something and I just ask you to back it up with concrete evidence. Don't ask me to help you to clean up your own mess.

That's your choice, isnt it? Other people has their own (i.e. multi-tasking is more important). Why can't you just get it into Apple skewed brain of yours that it is NOT open-mind to vehemently push and declare "Iphone is the best" using your own selectively criteria.

I have been reading all my mail fine. In what manner that I cannot read my email? Fact is you can't read all your mail since you can't view those attachments that are not supported by Iphone client. You are the one who likes to use the superlative. Maybe you should stop and let your brain catchup and think before your fire off your next statement. :p

Did you ever try setting the text size to smallest so that the line fits without scrolling?

That's you isnt it? Not everything is about you, you know. Your "fact", which is based on your narrow selective criteria of what is better, is just not fact for everyone. Until you understand that and stop pushing your superlatives as fact, you will always be treated as a diehard extreme fanboy. :p

edit:

This sounds more coherent and rational ;) . You are definitely a more Iphone diehard fanboy than a WM fanboy. There is no such thing as (equal) fanboy of 2 opposing brands.

btw: I dont think Iphone will go the way of "hello kitty"

hmmm.... then you go and fire off your mouth again without going thru your brain again. :D
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
You have not delcare support for winmo or deny the good points of iPhone? Really? Are you coming back to qualify your contradictory statemetns over and over again?

You're obviuosly incapable of accepting reasonable evidence. Times and again you have demonstrated this.

I started responding to this thread only after seeing so many ignorant winmo fanatics labelling iPhone users are idiots and just trying to tell them that many statements made by them are not true. I used my decision making process as an example, but have by no means said in retaliation that people who use winmo devices are idiots.

My choice is to use my finger to swipe. Your choice is to use the scroll bar. You can go ahead to stick to your own choice, and I choose mine.

You need to learn to accept evidence whenever presented to you. Earlier you have even admitted to not being able to display HTML mails when I showed you the printscreen. Now you are changing your stance once again?

Trying to fool everyone with unsupported statement again? Better and more convincing if you present evidence. I'm presenting my evidence here, that winmo mail requies scrolling, even with the smallest text size selected:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3565/3420039953_bcdc55a986.jpg?v=0

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3313/3420847772_17a87b0ba6_m.jpg

Still adament after all these evidence that HD's mail performs the basic tasks (the most basic of which should be reading mails) better than iPhone?

Hey, you don't even have the honor of being a winmo fanboy. You're just a fanatics.:D

Just because you cannot be open minded to view both the strengths and weaknesses of both devices does not mean that others have to be as narrow minded as you. For me, my HD is my preferred platform for GPS navigation for now, and iPhone for everything else (email, web surfing, music, videos, games, dictionary, golf scoring and handicap calculation, music identification, books/CD/DVD identification, phone, sms, banking, finance, picture viewing, calculators, VOIP, social networking, health and medical, sports, travel, weather, and more. I'm able to find far better design feature rich software in most of these areas on iPhone than on winmo platform now) . They complement each other, so I have both. My HD runs not just TT7 but also other navigation software such as Mapking and Garmin, and I also see thse software as complementary to each other. I use TT7 in Australia, but TT7 is completely useless in say Singapore. So, I use Mapking or Garmin there. One day, when TT7 releases map for more countries, some software will go. Similarly, when real good GPS software are available for iPHone, my winmo device will go.

When WM7 is released, I will take a very close look at it and try it out. It is overtakes iPhone IMO, I'll switch back. So, I don't have undying loyalty to either MS or Apple. Whoever gives me the better solution, I'll go over. This is the only way we can make these guys keep improving.
[Touch HD General] thormdac:
gee, you guys should become book writers...:D

now seriously,

during the last couple of weeks I had that urgent feeling of "renewing" something in my life - my job makes me happy, my home is built, my wife not happy about getting exchanged:rolleyes:...so i thought yeah...my handy needs renewed...i currently own a p3300..running wm6.1 extraclean, navigate tt7 on it, listing to music whilest jogging, phonecalls approx. 20 min/day and a game here or there. I need to add i am a "physical guy" not "pampering" this device...

I had both the iphone and the hd to compare to the p3300 - and guess what - i am sticking with the p3300!

why?

simply cause the iphone cant navigate tt7, all its "flashy" programming and looks make me think "i need it" ( like a new girl:o ), but seriously the thrill doesnt satisfy-lastly kills on me due to its battery philosophy ( dead in 2 days and only replaceable under a "heart-operation" on the 2G )

battery and "looks" made me dump the hd - seems all big screens comsume a rediculous sum of power - ..the hd dies on me in a mere 2 days max.

As i said, i am a "mobile" guy, so my p3300 navigates me to my destination, battery lasts between 5-7 days (flight-mode can be scheduled with an app - where is iphone on that?), I dont wory about a bump here or there, without contract you spend a mere 100-150 euros these days and i can use the saved funds on my family life...:D ...or is that my girl-friend..(who knows...

greetz

p.s.

eaglesteve summed it up in his post: they complement each other... but spending in access of 1000 euros on phones...id rather buy a laptop ...which i already have by owning an ibm x60s...now that really makes you mobile...
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
5-7 days is very impressive indeed. 2 days still a disaapointing battery for you? Hmm..

If we want to run TT7 primarily, screen size probably does'nt matter as much. Do you surf internet a lot with P3300? The tiny VGA(?) screen size does not bother you? I personally would find such a screen a challenge, but hey, your requirements are different from mine, so... Thanks for sharing.
[Touch HD General] thormdac:
a lot only with the device made for it - my notebook - both iphone and hd are too small for me to call it "internet-browsing";) so my p3300 does mail synching, admittedly no umts...but than again my x60s...:D

greetz
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
May be I should have said "internet browsing on the go".;) If you want only large screen, Athena or Throth may suit you? But battery won't last 5 days, sorry.
[Touch HD General] noris08:
i don't have the nerves to read all posts within this thread as long as i am not realy interested

it is clear that iphone has some good points and blackstone has also some good points. i know that because i have a blackstone and my wife a iphone 3g

anyway, when passion is involved no arguments counts

what i mean is that this threat is completely useless and the only point is to prove wich of the two guys (they know who they are;)) is smarter

guys, get a room :p, or, at least, continue your fight in private

i belive that a mod should close this thread:)

my 2 cents!
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
You're right, mate.

I really hope to discuss this to provide useful information for those who are sincerely wanting such information, but people's passion does take over logic too often.

I was hoping to show some differences in the application software that I have on HD and comparing them to the ones I found on Applestore. This is merely to dispel the myth that there is just lots of duplicating iFart in there. I was also thinking of making videos illustrating some other points that I had made. But, I think I've made my points enough number of times. Whether or not people want to accept that is not up to me.

So, with that, I do second your proposal to have this "useless" thread closed. Before that though, let me just say that if I've offended anyone during the course of the debate, please accept my apology.

Any mod around please?

edit: PMed a mod to do the closing.
[Touch HD General] mib1800:
I think you are not being fair here. Most of our conversation is like this. E.g. First you said, Iphone has the best email client and beats the WM to pulp. THen I tell you Iphone client cannot attach file or change inbox easily etc. Then you said attaching files is not important and keep insisting Iphone email client is still the best brushing aside everyone else points. Where am I being incapable of accepting evidence? Did I brush aside your point that Iphone email client can display html better in page overview mode. It is you who are blinded by your own thick head and not accepting that Iphone is not perfect.

How about the fact the you made statement like "vast majority..." and when ask to back it up, you didnt. Then you start labeling.. :p

Well, now you are labelling people too, isnt it?

I thought I said it cannot render email properly compare to Iphone (wrt to page overview) so you need scroll to see the whole web page. I thought it is obvious that setting text to smaller helps. If I am not wrong, it uses the pocket ID rendering engine which does some reformating of the HTML page.

But you are so wrong to say that WM can't read ALL email because that just not true. The complete info is there but you just have to scroll to see all. Text part of the email can be seen fully if you set the font to smaller. Image part of the html is shown at the original size which needs scrolling if the image size is big. No mystery here. On the other hand Iphone just cannot view unsupported attachment which itself is a disability.

I just disregard this as being a statement from a sore loser. :p

Go and find me a post where I have said Touch HD beats the crap out of Iphone and Iphone is not worthy of anything.

You have already said clearly that WM is not worthy of anything except GPS (which advantage will evaporate very soon with v3.0). Who is the fanatic here? :p
[Touch HD General] evildead4eva:
So.....

Windows mobile is better than the iphone? lol

Anyway. Think i'll stick with touch HD. As for price, they're pretty much the same £400 for a brand new HD Touch with 16GB card or £430 for iPhone 16gb. Only thing that i dont like about the HTC touch HD is the camera.....

Going to go to the shop tommorow and seen as though no one has any HTC's in stock to try I'm going to have a play with the iphone and see how the keyboard is. If the keyboard is manageble for texting i may be tempted tbh. Simply because you can jail break to up the camera to 4mp and then it takes pics instantly as well...

Hmm. Will have to see what wins overall. I dunno if i'd feel dirty pulling out an iPhone, where as i'd feel more buisnessy pulling out a HTC Touch. I've never been a fan of apple. Infact i'd go as far as saying i despise them. BUT. I love my ipod classic and ipod nano... lol

Have to see if the iphone can do it for me. If the texting is lame then i think i'll just go for the touch HD. Soon as i get paid :D

Looking at it, either phone needs to be customised anyway. So in terms of that theres no problems.

I'll be buying it off ebay, and depending on the size of the programs for the iphone i would probably end up with the 8gb model.

I WOULD like customizability (if thats even a word lol) and the screen does look beautiful. and oh man its a beautiful phone... but then the iphone seems to do things that i want to do a little bit better by the looks o it (email, texting and quick snaps probably in a club, though i know theres no flash). The decision is going to be a tough one, but either way it'll only be until september/october when the idou comes out lol.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Hey, that makes two of us here. I too dispised apple all along, until I got a iPod Touch and played with it. Then my heart starting changing, and that triggered off deeper research that led to where I am today. LOL
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
mib1800.

Sorry, I do not feel like going on debating you. I feel it is a futile exercise and I'm really exhausted and worn out by you now and we're still going round the same circle. You can declare yourself the winner of the debate if that pleases you, although I think people are intelligent enough to make up their mind anyway.
[Touch HD General] mib1800:
Fine by me. I am tired too. Like I said before, I never like (or want) to declare anything that has no way of being absolutely proven right or wrong. ;) Maybe we just leave this (hopefully without bad feelings) with the cliche-ish diplomatic clause : "We Agree to Disagree".
[Touch HD General] evildead4eva:
Overall there really is no which is better other than going on which is higher hardware and which has higher software as standard. But though the touch is beautiful and i would feel proud to own one i think i'm starting to sway toward the iphone. :( simply because of the smoothness of interface and multi-touch technology... Now this is all based on pre-testing judgement. I've used a windows mobile device before and though i experinced a few problems it has never once seemed "juddery or slow" and i've never experienced one of hte infamous crashes... Not yet!

Anyway, i digress. The iphone in all honesty seems the better of the two phones FOR ME. I'm not a buisness guru, i don't "sync" anything. I dont use wifi. I use HSDPA all the time (wireless modem so no need to worry about battery), i like my emails checked once every half hour and to be able to read them clearly, i like to be able to send and receive calls and browse the internet occasionally onthe phone. I like to be able to listen to music and it would save me carrying round my ipod shuffle, as my ipod classic is permernantly installed in my car. I like the 3.5mm headphone jack, which they both have. All i need is it to be easily (and i do mean easily) used to text. I know the HTC touch would do this, but it means i have to customise the rest to get it how i want. If the iphone can be used decently to text then i think i'll go with it. If it cant, well. The Touch does everything that i want it to do and it also does it well. Amazingly well. On an amazingly nice screen. And yes, some of the iphones apps are totally pap. But they might be fun for 10 mins to mess about with and i dont actually plan on buying any of them. lol.

I dont use GPS, if i do its maybe been 4 times in the 6 months i've had my c905. Apart from that the touch beats the iphone hands down. but in my personal requirements i think that the iphone will do exactly what i need it to do with a lot less worries, and a lot less requirements to "tinker" though i really do like the idea of tinkering with the phone!

:D

Iphone for me. Touch for the world. Touch is better for overall use. Iphone is better for me at the moment :)
[Touch HD General] mib1800:
Good for you. Iphone is a good choice. In fact both phones are good, each with its pros and cons. One thing for sure is that if you dont plan to tinker with your phone the Iphone UI looks better and more consistent and definitely more colorful as well compared to HD TouchFlo.

Enjoy your Iphone. I did for the short time when I had it a year or so ago.
[Touch HD General] evildead4eva:
Yeah, there's no denying it, when i look at getting the touch HD i want to change it to look like an iphone, so i figure, why not just get an iphone? lol.

My major concern is texting. The browser seems stable. Flash support would be nice, but not sure how well implemented it is in opera yet. Also would like bbc iplayer but that can be had on both i beleive?

My only major concern about the ipod is the camera. But hoping that upping it to 4mp using the hack may help improve quality slightly (obviously not going to be amazing, but hoping comparable to htc touch). I cant help thinking im missing out on the touch though. It's a thing of beauty.. lol

And theres a scumm VM for it. Woop. lol
[Touch HD General] Moandal:
Dear Mods, please do NOT close this thread. It provides lots of entertainment plus some useful facts about the functionality and software for each device.

For all those that are fed up with it, stop reading it.
[Touch HD General] evildead4eva:
Yeah, this is goign to be a common question, may as well keep the thread open! :)
[Touch HD General] Fallen Spartan:
You say this may be a common question, though all answers and points of discussion have been exhausted!!

If thread is closed you can still read it!!

IMO, MOD's should close this thread!!!
[Touch HD General] mib1800:
Then you better try out Iphone keyboard first or for that matter a qwerty one. Most of the time I am using T9 on my HD with haptic feedback (as I can type short messages much easier with T9).

My opinion is that this is a gimmick (i am sure eaglesteve will vehemently disagree). Remember the rule: you can't get something for nothing. I can safely say that in daylight HD camera is no doubt much better than Iphone. In indoor light, photos will still come out sharp (in focus) provided your hand is steady. But a bit bluish tint.

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Just remember you need to jailbreak for this, I think. You should be awared that jailbreak (like flashing rom) may have adverse impacts.
[Touch HD General] noris08:
you guys are hopeless:)

have fun with your little toy (named this thread), but if you realy want to prove which one is smarter, there are IQ tests, you know;)

peace!
[Touch HD General] evildead4eva:
Just remember you need to jailbreak for this, I think. You should be awared that jailbreak (like flashing rom) may have adverse impacts.[/QUOTE]

So what problems are associatedwith jailbreaking? I didnt think it was like flashing roms as it can all be undone with a simple reset, after all its only a software change, not a hardware change. Simlar to installing a new operating system on the ipod?
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Here are two pictures. One taken with HD in 5 MP setting, and another with iPhone using ClearCAM software which according to the developers would snap pictures in 4 MP. Taken indoor but in very good lighting condition. If I did'nt label the file, you think you could tell which picture is taken with which phone?

This rapidshare link could be downloaded 10 times only. Someone with paid account could host it and repost another link.

http://rapidshare.com/files/218488923/photos.rar.html
[Touch HD General] evildead4eva:
Thanks for this,

I aint had chance to look at it but dl'ed it quick to check it out when i get home tonight!

Will compare. Hoping the quality is good.

What damage can be done by jailbreaking? And is it easy to do if the phone has been unlocked to all networks or does this not matter?

Also, Is it automatic firmware updates or can they be disabled? Coming from a ifan you should know :) lol

Also, and this is me being purely unable to as at work at the moment, is it possible to run an MSN application on the iphone, or would i have to sue mobile.msn.com ? Thanks dooode :)
[Touch HD General] arfster:
The cameras on both of them are simply crap.

Having said that, any software that claims to "double megapixels" is just a pure scam. That makes no sense at all.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
I personally do not trust any software based unlocking as the phone reception was reported in some cases to be less than satisfactory after that. I got my Telco to unlock mine before jailbreaking.

But if you want to unlock without involving your Telco, just remember NOT to upgrade from 2.2 to 2.2.1 yet when you activate your device in itune. Then go to the various forums to read about the jailbreaking procedure.

As for jail breaking and weather it could damage your phone, I doubt it could damage the phone. Anyway the process could be reversed very easily anytime.

Tips when you try the keyboard:

1. Quick double space will give you fullstop mark(.).

2. You do not need to be precisely touching the actual key. Any key around it will do.

3. To turn off auto correction, just do a backspace, then continue typing precisely.

4. To move your cursor to anywhere in the line, touch and hold there untill the magnifying glass appear, then rotate your finger to precisely position the cursor.

5. Iphone software usually design the data entry box with an "x" to erase the content rather than requiring you to backspace out the whole content one character at a time. Example include web addresses. So don't look for highlighting the whole string of address and backspace it in order to clear it.

Have fun testing the keyboard.
[Touch HD General] evildead4eva:
So if the phone is locked to say the o2 network, and i put my T-mobile sim card in it, how else would i put my sim card in and use it?

I just thought it would be like any other phone if i got it unlocked... Then jail broke it...
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
I'm no expert in camera technology. But didn't Dutty's ROM had a camera that was capable of taking only 3 mp picture because the camera software was from another device and by using a different camera software update he was able to bring it back to 5 mp?
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Sorry could you rephrase ? I don't understand you.
[Touch HD General] evildead4eva:
Basically, lol, how come the phone looses signal quality if i unlocked it to all networks?

In the UK it's locked to one network (o2 normally) and if i wanted to put a simcard in it from another network i'd need to unlock it. Or did you mean something different by unlocking? lol
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
You always have to unlock to use the SIM card from a different Telco. There are many ways to unlock. If the Telco does the unlocking you will not have signal reception issue. However some unlocking softwares out there are reported to be giving reception problem. I think I read that Turbo SIM which claims to let you switch Telco without unlocking also have some issue. This may be why I never have reception problem where some have it.
[Touch HD General] arfster:
The only way that's possible is if the camera is 5mp in the first place. There are a set number of pixels, and that's it.

What clearcam seems to do is just take multiple pics of the same thing, and then stitches them together in a panorama. Nothing to do with "doubling megapixels", it's just taking lots of 2mp snaps. It's also clearly useless on anything that moves even minutely.
[Touch HD General] mib1800:
I remember reading somewhere that 2.2.1 cannot be unlocked (using software). So you better make sure you have an option to unlock it by the operator or you get one with earlier than v2.2.1.
[Touch HD General] mib1800:
You wont damage your hardware or something. You can reflash back to stock easily. Maybe you want to verify this in an Iphone forum. My friend told me that some of the built-in apps dont work well after jailbreaking. He was also having problems with sync.
[Touch HD General] evildead4eva:
I read the problems. The iPhone is lovely.

I weighed up the problems. I decided what i wanted. I bought the HTC Touch HD. It's on its way now.

314 GBP . I'm happy. :) lol
[Touch HD General] kimandsteve:
I have a tytn 2 but love the look of the HD and the iphone.

I need to (everyday)

make/receive 40 calls, GPS for 2 hours, receive emails on three addresses (around 40 emails in total), skype sometimes, MSN sometimes, listen to comedy podcasts, store and read word, excel, powerpoint documents, connect to the internet as a modem, record dictaphone style for later data entry, receive faxes direct to voicemail and email, take photos of sites visited, and finally sync all this each week with my office computer and my home laptop.

I am looking for a slimmer smart phone.

Can I move to either the iphone or HD from the TYTN2 or is it just too hard given the usage.