[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
You're trying to bury your head in the sand, and I think you're naive to say that once a person experience crashes, that person will no longer continue to buy winmo devices. People buy it because they erronously assume that the more powerful processor with enough memory will fix the freezing problem, who become lightning fast,etc. Also, people make lots of software investments that they do not want to give up. People continue with a platform because they have not found better alternatives at that moment. Also thanks to microsoft and htc that's the only way to get updates to the winmo OS.

You have lost all arguments so far, and the best you could do is to start labelling who refuse to agree with you as fanboy in an attempt to stiffle discussion. Why don't you do a bit of homework to find out if I'm an iPhone fanboy by going through all the posts made by me. Also, go to other forums such as www.ppcsg.com, www.mypdacafe.com, www.mobilehornet.com etc to gather some information on me before you so quickly label me as an iPhone fanboy? See for examples, my works here:

http://www.mobilehornet.com/archives/962

Truth is, I've been using mobile devices using microsoft OS for more than 10 years now, starting from the very early days, and I always love the winmo products. I spend incredible amount of amount not just on hardware but also software doing things far far more advanced that what you're doing.

Just like you, I had never thought highly of iPhone in the beginning. FInd it hard to believe? Then read the thread here:

http://mobile.mypdacafe.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=16347&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=210

I became more open minded before I bought an HD, read about my thought process in.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=443900&page=4

Read how I started with an open mind, while looking to either buy an HD or iPhone starting from post 37.

I ended up buying an HD because of three reasons: Absence of GPS navigation in iPhone, battery design, and office editing software. These are all documented in that thread.

After I bought my HD, frankly I was very happy with it, and have recommended it to several of my relatives and friends.

I had always have high level of tolerance against system freezing, and never considered a chore to have to keep soft resetting it.

Then, few things happened that made me buy an iPhone: 1) xGPS and G-Map was released (as it turned out, they are simply not good enough yet even today but that's a different matter) 2) I had always considered winmo as an OS that leaves too much things to be desired, but had always said to myself to hand on a little longer, MS is going to come up with something good soon that will change this. I was estatic when I saw winmo 6.5, but devastated after trying it out. It was just putting lipstick on a pig! It is still a pig! 3) I continued to research into the availability of iPhone application software, and was impressed with what I saw.

So, I bought an iPhone.

After trying out iPhone for a few months now. I can honestly tell you that if I take out GPS navigation and SoftMaker, then I would much much prefer the application software in the Applestore. They are far better designed, far better implemented than the corresponding winmo ones.

The iPhone OS itself does not yet have all the functions (multi-tasking, copy/paste, etc) of winmo OS, and I never disagree with you on that. What I would just say is that we have to go beyond just the functionalities. Even more important is the IMPLEMENTATION of those functionalities and that's where iPhone has done so well, while still lacking in a few functional areas. What we also know is that iPhone is rapidly catching up in those functional areas, when where would that leaves us in June? Like it or not, functions and features would catch up, sooner or later, but the implementation is set and can't be changed easily without a total rewrite of the OS.

For me, after using iPhone, when I go back now to my HD, I just find the device too clunky, slopy, unresponsive, hard to control, and application software terrible. No longer want to use its mail, calendar, contacts, and also the other third party software there because these are so much better implemented in iPhone. I did not feel that way before I became used to iPhone, but now that I know what is possible with a really really well implemented phone, I no longer want to go back. Again, I do not dispute that there are more functionalities in winmo OS. However, the implementation sucks. HTC is doing a good job hiding the OS, but like someone puts it, if you put lipstick on a pig, it is still a pig.

I'm certainly not the only winmo diehards and winmo fanatic who had initially opposed iPhone, then tried it, then wondered why it took so long for me to realise what I've been missing. Watch this video to hear the experience of another ex-winmo diehard.

http://chris.pirillo.com/windows-mobile-vs-iphone/

The person who is overzealous and making unfounded statment is you. Stop blindly vilifying iPhone and worshipping winmo devices even though you're still so inexperienced in this platform, with just a couple of months of winmo experience, and probaly zero experience in iPhone. In your posts, you kept saying that "my friend has an iPhone and he finds this and he finds that...", and you would put more weight in that than any other logical reasonings we try to put up with you. We should be the one wondering whetehr there is any point in debating with you.

By the way, I had tried using photoshop to brighten up the terrible picture that HD snap. Sorry to dissappoint you, it is far more grainier than the iPhone's.

Also, backbutton does not show you all the recently used program in winmo platform, in case you have not gained enough knowledge of how winmo works.

I bet you're going to argue that you find absolutely nothing wrong with the winmo OS implementation, that you loves every single bits of it, blah blah blah. With customer to like there is no longer any need for progress or for microsoft to come up with winmo 7. And after so blantantly declaring your undying love for winmo OS, you only consider yourself a learned expert and not a winmo fanboy.