[Touch HD General] Boinng:
Have you ever heard the term "people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones"? Why don't you have a good read of this thread, not two pages away on this very forum, and then try and convince me that you have some kind of high ground on this one: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=476139

It's well known that the iPhone 3G had some firmware issues with dropped calls when it was released, its also well known that a few updates since have largely resolved those (and I can point you to any number of blogs and comments confirming that). OF COURSE some people still have problems, that's what happens with any single model that sells in its millions to people worldwide on a huge mix of networks, to try and make out that these isolated issues are indicative of anything inherent in the phone is just absurdity, and the kind of logic that would condemn EVERY mobile phone ever made to the dustbin, very much including the Touch HD and everything else HTC have made.

That really depends on where you place your values - would I swap any element of the iPhone with the HD in order to get SMS forwarding? No, absolutely not, its of no consequence to me. As for MMS, I already have that via a free Appstore app, so no point to score there either.

It's a complete myth that multi-touch requires two hands, with the phone in one hand it's quite easy to use a finger and thumb on the screen for zooming etc, I do it all the time. But multi-touch is about more than just pinching, it also greatly increases the possible typing speed on the keyboard for example, and the very nature of the glass capacative screen (requiring no finger pressure at all to register) makes every gesture and interaction easier and more fluent.

"Getting the job done" in WM is a constant challenge and a frequently frustrating experience for many users. I'd agree that as in other areas, there is still functionality that Apple can (and mostly likely will) improve on in here, but overall I feel I'm much more productive with email on the iPhone than I ever was with my last WM device - not because I didn't know how to use WM, but because the deficient software continually got in my way.

No, not if you jailbreak - much of that same functionality is already there and available right now. Of course it's different to WM, you may not find anything by SPB for example, but that doesn't mean the same or similar features aren't available. Moreover, your conviction that WM has some kind of advantage here is completely misplaced - outside of the known SDK restrtictions, the official Appstore has long contained many apps that are many leagues ahead of anything possible in the WM environment.

Not sure what you mean by wireless sync, clearly the iPhone syncs automatically with Exchange etc. Yes third party apps are limited by the lack of background processes (unless jailbroken), but then that's the price for an abundance of speed when the user does initiate anything.

My phone syncs wirelessly, wifi's off in standby anyway, there's a handy switch on the side for silent - I've never been less of a "slave" to this phone.

How is having all your music and multimedia neatly stored for you in one place anything but efficient? Your point makes absolutely no sense.

There are certainly plenty who would disagree with that, including some posters with both phones in this very thread.

No. I didn't have an ipod either, the iphone's the first Apple product I've owned. Do you know how many hours it took me to "recreate" my library in itunes? About ten minutes if that. Drag and drop. That's what the drama you're implying amounts to.

There's nothing in the slightest bit bewildering about it, Itunes is the library and the phone/ipod is a remote copy of that, delete it in itunes and its deleted on the phone, add it on the phone (through an itunes purchase) and its added on the PC, none of this is difficult. It's hilarious that on the one hand you're trying to paint over all the inconsistencies and failures in WM's software design and then on the other trying to make something as simple as iTunes sound like advanced brain surgery!

Nice end of sentence there - i.e. no flash, no other thing you can think of? So your argument is Flash, right? No, I think I'll keep the faster, slicker browser thats nicer to use, thanks.

It's still senseless - you freely admit that you've had to encode all this video for various past devices, but at the same time arguing over the principle of having to encode for a different device like the iPhone. I mean the answer to your question is simple - you re-encode because that will get the best results from your new device (in the case of your imaginary new iPhone). The real question is what's suddenly so wrong with that now, when you never questioned it with your previous phones.

That's really a matter of opinion. Your poor reproduction of flash is costing you speed, resources, data, battery life, all so you can catch an imperfect glimpse of a load of banner ads you didn't want to see in the first place.

I pay £30pm in total, which is exactly £2.50 more than the Vodafone contract I used to have with my Tytn II. For that I actually get more texts, and in reality my bills are actually working out pretty much the same as before.

The SDK provides for alphabetised lists, with the index appearing at the side where the scrollbar would be in WM - that's how apps like Contacts and others deal with long lists. Returning to the top of any list or page is simply a case of tapping the top bar.

You're quite free to organise the apps any way you want, I generally group similarly themed apps on their own page together. There's nothing difficult about this. Application short cuts would serve no purpose in the context of the iPhone's app launcher (I assume you're not talking about about web shortcuts, which can be added).

Doesn't the HD also feature kinetic scolling through Touchflo? And no navkey for button scrolling? It hardly seems like your ideal "old school" phone either.