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[Touch HD General] DrDistorzion:
It's a good idea, and true in man aspects, but I would like to add one aspect.

"fullsize" OSX is not at all limited in the same way that the iphone is.

Many winXP-programs like photoshop and a load of others comes for OSX too, but that's not the case for winmo/iphone. I personally love my macbook. I used to have dualboot on it, but when I didn't use XP for month I removed it, and I don't miss it. But I will probably go for the HD+Android instead of iphone, because iphone as it is today is just too limited for me.
[Touch HD General] Turb0wned:
Anyone that goes from pc to mac will never go back to pc. But im about to hear it from everyone on here. No error messages, no virus no slowing down after 3 months of having it, 5 hour battery life, better OS the list goes on.

Every app for wm (except for microsoft office) and games for wm you can find a MUCH better version on the Iphone + thousands more. I was the same way, talked alot of crap about the iphone when i had my Omnia and HD but at the end of the day the Iphone is much better besides the camera. But thats MY opinion since I had both. WM just keeps falling behind, they don't have many great apps. Also I bought my 1 week old HD for $500 used it for a few months then sold it on ebay for $695 and bought myself an Iphone 3G for $199.
[Touch HD General] Turb0wned:
It takes 10 mins to Jailbreak and you wont be limited one bit. Matter of fact you can get EVERY single app free!
[Touch HD General] Fallen Spartan:
I don't know why people bother writing in this useless thread

Personally the both phones have many flaws. Its a simple question on wether or not you want to be included in the xda community and be able to tweak your phone or not.

If you want a phone to be completely custimizable opt for the HD, otherwise go with the useless iPhone

Seems to me a lot of iphone owners come on this site as they feel left out!! Boo Hoo!!
[Touch HD General] DrDistorzion:
Yes ofcaurce the jailbreak exists for installing non-apple authorized software, and the available applikations will grow rapidly as the phone is so popular, but I wasn't refering only to the applikation lock, that is the least of my problems with the iphone, as I said, I like the appstore. The limits I was talking about is the absens of copy/paste, the absens of USB-storage-mode and so on. I don't know if these things can be corrected with non-apple-software after jailbreaking, but the idea of having to jailbreak something to make it do what you want is against my philosophy.

I want the handset to be able to do what I want in a way that the manufacturar doesn't try to stop, as it is with iphone now.

But I have high hopes for iphone as I think apple will listen to the critisism and allso will haveto adapt as the competators comes closer.
[Touch HD General] Turb0wned:
I respect your opinion. I so do miss copy and paste every once in a while and i also miss looking at pics online and being able to save them on my phone like i could with the hd.
[Touch HD General] Turb0wned:
These are the stupid comments im talking about.

I dont come on here because i feel left out one bit. I come on here because ive been since back when i had the Omnia. I still enjoy coming on here and seeing the progress of hacks for the HD.
[Touch HD General] DrDistorzion:
yes, and you probably like me can't understand why they didn't implement these functions from the start. i would really like to know, because to me it seams like quite easy software isues to solve.
[Touch HD General] mib1800:
Either your statement is nonsense or you have a very narrow definition of useability. No copy-paste, no forwarding of sms, no task manager, no categories, no tasks, no notes, no shortcuts/subfolders in main screen, no Today screen, limited file attachment capability, no Flash, no voice command, no BT sync etc etc.

Isnt it too myopic to just to associate useability with responsiveness or is it all that Iphone is good at? :p HD speed is good enough for most purpose. Of course it is slower than Iphone generally but it is nowhere near the point of unusable.

I used Opera / Netfront and they dont crash (occasionally maybe but not "often" as you stated). I also read a lot that Iphone safari is also not stable due to limited RAM in Iphone (40Mb free compared to 120Mb free on HD)

Does your data tell you Iphone users use 10x more data than HD users or Nokia1100 users? :lol:

Capacitive screen definitely has it advantages. But that doesnt mean resistive dont have any over capacitive. When will Iphone fans realised this?

Are you sure? :p I compare my friend's Iphone to my HD playing the same high quality youtube video and HD is so much better. Picture is so much sharper and clearer and the audio is louder and better thru the speaker. Iphone speaker is really pathetic. The only area Iphone is better is color saturation.

I have been hunting high and low in AppStore to find me some phone automation software (profile manager, call manager, apps/email/sms scheduler etc) but I found none. It is not the quantity that counts but the quality as well as variety. You also can never find in Appstore any software that can match those fully integrated all-in-one software from big WM software house like spb. What's the point of having a few hundred ifart apps? But AppStore do have some very good stuff we can't get on WM like those great accelerometer-based games and those mashup apps (which unfortunately are mostly US-centric - i.e. no use in other countries).

You seems to be implying the HD is unusable without tweaking/tampering which is totally nonsense. Stock Touch HD is very usable for a normal users. And it has more bundled software/capability than Iphone. It also holds some excitement for those who like to tweak. Can't say the same about Iphone.
[Touch HD General] rvnteck:
WOW! Its getting hot in here!

iPhone is a nice device. good for fun & play, its on going developments of applications makes it somehow interesting but its limited for detailed uses, power users and advance deep technical features. No offense iphone users but when it come to productivity, window mobile devices are still way ahead.
[Touch HD General] Turb0wned:
How are wm devices way ahead? Because they support flash? Give me examples because there prob an app for whatever u need on an iphone, jailbroken or not. If anything they are way behind ill be 60 by the time they even realease wm7.
[Touch HD General] Psygnosis84:
Is iFart a revolutionary app to you?

That's why iPhone stinks, cause it's apps are directed at morons.

WM might not have such a perfect interface but it was originally designed for stylus use and not mainly finger orientated.

Who care if Apple has made a phone has is easy to use. Despite it's 'advantages', Apple still takes you guys as suckers and sell underpowered devices and charge extra for features that should be standard on any phone.

The apps are created by idiots for idiots. There might be a few useful apps here and there, but sooner or later they eventually come to the winmo.
[Touch HD General] DrDistorzion:
You clearly didn't readu through my post carefully enough, I said stated that what I mean is that iphone does the things it can do so much better than the HD. And ironicly, last night apple presented the new OS, that contains most of the things you (and I) ask for.

Of caurse the HD isn't bad, I never said that, it's just that the iphone runs so much better. And another ironic thing is that my HD would probably be alot more stable if I hadn't installed alot of tweaks and modifications, which are one of the mane advantage that pro-HD's here point to.

No, I was just making a point to how important the usability-isue is, as allmost all modern phones have internetbrowsing, and there's still this huge difference, I still think it says something.

I clearly said that I think the iphone-screen is a little bit too sensitive, they could have made it so that you need a specific amount of contact before it reacts, now it reacts to the tiniest bit of contact.

That is not my opinion, and I own both devices. The colours on the iphone are much nicer, but ofcaurce the HD has higher resolution so on really high-res videos, the sharpness will be better. But hey, allmost all youtube-videos are NOT in such high resolution that this matters. When it comes to audio, I said I compaird headsets, not speaker. I think most mobiles speakers sucks. So ofcaurce this is not a signifiant detail as you can buy any headphones you like to both devices.

The kind of apps you are talking about is clearly where winmo is an advantage, and as I said, if you can live without these, than iphone is for you. I would probably miss some of these features aswell if I only had the iphone as it is today.

No, I don't think I said that. If I did, I was wrong. My HD was alot more stable before I started installing alot of tweaks and stuff, and it could do everything that I normally use right out of the box. The things I have installed are for cosmetic purposes mainly.

Iphone is not for tweakers, no one has ever said that, and it will never be eather. it's for those who wants something that just works.

The only tech-guys that finds it intersting I guess are those who finds hacking the iphone a challange. But that is a very litthe minority, not at all like people on this forum with winmo.

These phones are two totally different devices, ment for different needs, but thay share some purposes. This is why I find this thread interesting, because I think that there is a good reason to share opinions and discuss these differencies.

The new update to iphone OS brings copy/past, MMS and alot of other things so it brings iphone one step closer.
[Touch HD General] mib1800:
Let's be systematic. See the table (iphone fans fire away :p )
[Touch HD General] DrDistorzion:
Nice! :) this shows how limited the ihpone is today. I really can't understand why some really elementary things wasn't implemented from the beginning in the ihpone OS.

But last nights presentation of the new version of the OS I think indicates that apple has been listening to the critisism. It is going to be interesting to see how iphone is going to evolve. It's easy to forget that this is a companys first shot at mobile phones, and I'm pretty sure there's now other company that has done anywhere near an introduction on the market like thay have.
[Touch HD General] Turb0wned:
My turn... Heres something for the Iphone haters... Watch this video, then put your wm devices on ebay and get yourself an Iphone 3G.

http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/0903lajkszg/event/index.html

Oh whats this..... CUT, COPY AND PASTE? MMS (video,pictures,music,voice), FOWARDING, LANDSCAPE for more than just website.... Plus much more.. Just watch the video. All coming in the new 3.0 OS coming soon to the iphone... Just look at the apps being made for the 3.0, look at the games, ESPN. An app that takes your blood pressure... "The Iphone ranks Number 1 customer satisfaction in business SMARTPHONE users."

Yeah much better than posting a chart made by someone with there own opinion, you can find many websites that go ether way. Maybe one day WM can be at this level but i doubt it. Even android is way further than WM is but no where near apple.
[Touch HD General] xNitr0us:
so your finaly catching up! good for you its about time! :D
[Touch HD General] DrDistorzion:
Thank's for some good info! this is what I like to see in this thread, and not a ton of stupid remarks left by people who are not at all interested in discussing these handset objectivly.

That's weard! My iphone runs out of battery very much quicker than my HD. And both have wifi activated. I use alot of youtube on them (or has done lately atleast) and that drinks alot of juice, and it seams to draw more on the iphone.

but it is quite hard to get a good idea if you don't really mesure, because I quite often plug in my HD in USB for filetransfer etc, and than it charges.

I'm new to iphone and haven't played around with it more than installing a bunch of apps from appstore. So I like to know what you think of general file-handling in iphone? there's no USB-target-disc-mode, so you can't use it like general storage, but is there any program that can store any type of files on the iphone through internet? jailbroken or not.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
My HD on wifi runs down a lot quicker than iPhone. It usually becomes very hot, so lots of energy is wasted. Not sure if it is fault in my unit. On the other hand, I never had to worry about battery life in HD since I have spare ones with me when I used it. No such luxury with iPhone. And please don't ask me to carry a box to charge the iPhone during the day.

General file handling is a little tricky in iPhone. There is no file explorere there, unless you use a third party software such as MobileFinder, or you do it via the PC. With PC, you can do it over wifi or by USB connection. Both are equeally easy to set up. If you do not have wifi at home to browse the iPhone file structure, you could use application such as iPhone PC suit to do it. This is a free desktop application. iPhone PC suite also allows you to change the file permission in the event that you need to override applications with cracked applications. Of course, it lets you copy files between PC and iPhone.
[Touch HD General] Jezwick:
The search function on the new iPhone update is tremendous, it finds text in SMSs, emails, webpages that you've visited as well as contact details, apps, files and all the other normal stuff.

Im actually quite impressed
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Not sure if this has come up, but some of you are concerned that you might not be able to forward SMS in iPhone. Just to let you guys know that I am able to do just that, as well as group SMS, using a software called BiteSMS.
[Touch HD General] Psygnosis84:
So you need a 3rd party app to do what all WinMo and i'm guessing most phones can do out of the box?

cool... :rolleyes:
[Touch HD General] arvindmd:
HD... an all seeing phone.

Due to may work i can :

1. have my patient sign to a waiver or concent or anything that i would require them to sign using a pen or stylus(word or text editor or notes)

2. i can use and change different application i want. (player, answering machine, skype etc.)

3. big screen, nice design, pewerful system.

4. i can save picture from my friendster(and upload), i can download video clips like from youtube, i can attach file from email via yahoo.,

5. more comfort as i watch clips or movie

6. lots of medical applications and references

7. no problem about snyc to my laptop

8. lots of roms to choose from

9. you can make your WM look different using different kind of UI/plugins/tweaks.

10. act as a modem.

11. im fun of using my HD as a player connected to a large speaker via BT

12. much more more more.

have fun with our HD :)

note: you know why iphone fanatic always attack us WM user? simple... "insecurity"
[Touch HD General] Turb0wned:
You got it backwards its the "anti iphone" people that talk ****. Its always the iphone that ever new phone is compared to.
[Touch HD General] mib1800:
I thought it is the Iphone fans who started the ruckus by categorically saying Iphone is better than every other phone on this earth and backing it with imo, filmsy motherhood statements like "MMS is obsolete-nobody use it", "you rarely use copy-paste", "iphone future push notification is as good or better than true multi-tasking", "Iphone is the most productive and user friendly" or "itunes is the best thing that ever happened".

Maybe those you called "anti iphone" are just trying to put some sense/reality back into the situation. Not sure whether this is even possible with the Apple marketing machine constantly sending out mind altering waves.
[Touch HD General] Psygnosis84:
That's the problem, owned in what? It lacks features that have been in phones older than it.

Just because you think the OS is good doesn't make so.

The only reason why it got so big was iRetards like you who made this **** into a big thing.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Yes, I set it for performance rather than for battery life. This is the only way I could reliably retain adequate signal strength on the HD.

I had tried out Fring on winmo extensively before switching to AgePhone. The sound quality is terrible. The Fring on the iPhone has bettern sound quality than the winmo Fring, but not as good as say Pennytel, Siphon, and many others.

I don't agree that multi-task has anything to do with the use of Voip though. When I make Voip call, it would be the only task I need to run.

I don't believe there is any means to send out email using a mailing list or to contact groups in winmo. I had been looking for it for a couple of years. If you know of one, please share.

Still not as good as the ones running on iPhone.

In good daylight, HD performs very well indeed. It is in poorer lighting conditions that it fails badly.

As I said, if you use ClearCam, it is no longer 2 MP. It would be 4MP instead. I don't think there is too much difference between a 4MP and 5 MP picture. What I like about ClearCam is the ability to automatically snap four photos in quick succession and automatically pick the sharpest picture. More importantly, it is the instant response, picture saving, and ability to operate under very poor light that impresses me.

Yes, the earlier version did not have audio. The current version does have audio.

May be you can tell us which WM software could do the same thing?

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With lots of the location based applications in iPhone, you don't have to live in US to use them, unlike say the live search in winmo.

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iPhone does have third party software that does what you describe. Check out this application called "iComing". You can set up target points, and specify when they would be active (e.g., weekdays, weekends, starting what time to what time), define the GPS location of the target point and distance from that point for calls to be made, SMS to be sent, alarm to be sounded, and the text for the SMS message etc. You can also defind what sorts of services you want to turn on or off at each of the target points (WIFI, Mail, ring volume, 3G, BT etc)

I agree that coreplayer is doing a good job in playing video. HTC Album however is not as capable. Unfortunately, it is the HTC album that is manning the shop front on the desktop.

Yes, Resco viewer works quicker than HTC Album, but it's user interface is dated (can't scroll the thumbnail, can zoom in and out with finger, swipe to change picture, etc). I had stopped using Resco viewer because of that, and had been using solely HTC ALbum since I acquired my HD.

I have taken quite a lot of 4MP picture using clearcam and the scrolling is just a smooth althoug it is double the size of 2MP pictures.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Just like winmo devices, the device is far less appealing without third party software. Imagine winmo devices without Agephone for VOIP, Wktask for task management, Resco file explorer for file management...

So, it is indeed true that many things are not possible without jailbreaking the phone.

Jailbreaking is a very simple process though and you can anything unjailbreak it for warranty purposes. Jailbreak is the equivalent of Hard SPL and flashing new ROMs.

To unjailbreak an iPhone is far easier than to undo the hard SPL IMHO.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
1. You hit a point to winmo's favour here. The abilityto use Stylus for signature to be written is indeed an advantage to winmo devices.

1 to 5 are all true for iPhone too. The software for saving youtube videos is called MxTube. Yes, I am able to attach files to my yahoo mails.

6. Not sure which specific medical application you're using, but there are very rich ranges of medical applications on iPhone. Exampless include: medical calculator, medical productions, skyscape medical resources, qxmd medical software, medical drugs, taber's medical dictionary, medical terminology and abbreviation, and medical news reader. These are on the Applestore. Have not checked the Cydia for non-Apple store software yet.

7. I do sync my contact and mails to my desktop outlook, videos, musics, pictures, and installed applications to iTune. In the event of hard reset, all the Applestore applications are automatically synced back to my iPhone. Funtionally I think iPhone is better. The only thing is that the speed is quite slow. Another thing is that with winmo, I'm a lot more familiar with the file structure, and am able to selectively make backup on the PC simply by copying those data files over. As I'm still new to iPhone, I'm still not being able to control the file copy to the same degree as I could in winmo yet.

8. True. It's fun for ROM flashing junkies, and I'm one myself.

9. You could also do lots of UI changes with iPhone but I agree it is not to the same degree as winmo phones. In HD, I could be using TF3D today, SPB mobile shell tomorrow, and an iPhone imitation desktop the next week. In iPhone you could chnage the theme, wall papers, the lock up screen, and even use a software called Categories to create application folders and sort your applications into thoes categories. You can also hide applications with a tool called Poof. But certainly not as extensively changed as in winmo devices.

10. You can do the same with iPhone, to use it as a modem for your desktop computer. I use a software called PdaNet to do it.

11. Not sure about playing music using bluetooth cause I have'nt tried it. But there are many speaker systems in the market that are made specially for iPhone and iPod. You just have to slot your device into the adaptor. You can also play it using FM transmittor so that music is played via your car speakers or home theather system if it has a tuner.
[Touch HD General] mib1800:
I dont have issue with wifi signal and mine is on low-power.

Maybe your voip/sip provider dont work so well with fring. ;)

OK. You are just using it to make cheap calls. I am using it to make cheap calls as well as receive voice chat/im.

I am no wm expert. But if it is an (standalone) external app to phone contact system, I dont see the difficulty. User pre-select the contacts and you store info to a file. To send the app opens the sms window and inject the receipents to the "to" field. Is this the kind of app you are looking for?

It is just hard to believe an interpolated 4Mp (from 2MP) is better than the real thing.

But you have to admit most of nice ones are specific to US. My friend is an avid Iphone supporter (he is looking for apps all the time) but there is very few of interest for Asia. I might as well use Google map which at least have localised info.

You kept bringing up jailbroken Iphone apps but then for WM only stock one matters?. I saw many other Album apps (some that use finger gesture) for WM. I havent try all of them but there must be some that are not crap, isnt it?

You really got me excited there. Google it but can't find much info.

this post concerns me tho.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=572180

Does it send sms/email automatically in background or it still need user intervnetion like all the rest of the Iphone calling/smsing apps? Does it suck battery life? I assume you need Backgrounder for this app to work properly. Not sure it is worth the trouble (esp. all the known problems with Backgrounder)

Also, with jailbroken apps, there is still the question mark on whether this app can still be used after the next round of firmware update.

The major decision point for me is I know for sure those capabilities that are crucial to me is working on the phone. For Iphone, I just can't be sure esp. jailbroken ones as Apple is always trying to close this loop.

I do like the Iphone but you just have go thru too much trouble to get the phone up to the same level of basic services (as in Touch HD or S60 for the matter). If I am just buying a phone for games/web/entertainment, I would most probably go with Iphone.