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[Touch HD General] pzucchel:
forgot:there is also a new great app from htc that allows to scan and OCR business cards. i was very impressed by the quality of the result....
[Touch HD General] mallman:
I would go for the HD. When you mention multitouch you are talking about zooming in and out of web pages and from past experience I can say that doing so on an iphone is no easier than using the little slider on the HD. The HD browser is also more advanced so you can expect flash and other browser type addons to be available before mobile safari.

Lets face it, making calls is making calls and emails, well they are pretty much emails. Since you state you only use email 10% this may not apply to you but deleting more than one email at a time is a HUGE advantage the HD has if you get more than one email a day lol. Dont even get me started on copy/paste

Lastly, when you start playing with a phone of the HD and Iphone's calibre you will naturally get more and more curious and excited about mods. Shoot, you ended up on XDA's site so you already have a jump start :) Make your future brighter with an HD and also open the possability of flashing a WM6.5, WM7 and Android ROM (iphone will never have that capability)

Best of luck with your decision.
[Touch HD General] bugsy:
Just one clarification. The 2.x version of the iphone software does allow you to delete more than one email at a time. I've seen it mentioned a few times that you can't so I thought I would clarify that point.
[Touch HD General] hagba:
Hi guys I am new here and this is my first post,I would like to give my oppinion to the HD vs iphone question as I have been owning an iphone for over a year now.

Just two weeks ago I bought an HTC Diamond to replace my iphone and gave the later to my son to replace his N958GB which he had sold.

However,on seeing my Diamond and after using the Iphone for a week he proposed that we switch back our devices,"couldnt live with a divice of very limited functionality"as he put it later.:confused:so we did

I say to the original poster of this thread that Iphone is a cool device,I bought it without doing a research and not beeing aware that so many options could be missing from a modern device,so I was shocked to find out that it didnt support:

No Bluetooth

No Videorecorder

Cant download on the Safari browser

No copy&paste

No Flash player (important to me since i watch live online chess games)

No java or MIDP support

No support for push email

Cant use hotmail as your default email

But yet still I got hooked to it for its ease of internet browsing and most of all for its virtual keyboard..waiting patiantly with each and every FW update to fill in one of those missing applications,which never happened.

Now that most of the new devices support this kind of touchfinger keyboard I will return to WM through the way HTC Hd,most probably.

what Im trying to say if you dont need the above mentioned applications,then,The Iphone is best there for you.
[Touch HD General] samiur:
i realized that it could be my first post on xda :P

i own neither an iphone or a HTC but i am using an O2 zinc currently. i am also looking forward to the HD and Zest.

i think some points need to be clarified

iPhone:

MMS, camcorder, access to files CAN be enabled by jail-breaking your iPhone, which isn't a terribly safe way to add functionality to your phone, but u do get the same power-functions as in the WM models

the Safari browser is still full of bugs, it hangs and jump to home screen after 20 minutes of usage (from what i heard)

WM:

HD probably will come with opera, in terms of speed and functionality it doesn't lose to safari one bit. there's also Skyfire beta version for those who needs flash support, but it needs a little speed up before any serious application

the best thing about WM is its openness, i upgraded to 6.1 before and i disliked the threaded-sms thing, so i downloaded a .cab from the net to restore it, no difficulty. i also downloaded various input method & installed additional language support by searching the net. there's a full-featured office from SoftMaker that allows you to preserve word format, display graph in excel and actually edit PPT slides. still missing is the support for Microsoft OneNote...new things r coming off the net every day that allows u to use WM phones in a new way

if you only want to do the 3 tasks you just listed and you don't mind the safari problem, then the iPhone is pretty adequate. but pls bear in mind that HD with touchflo is also very user-friendly and it probably won't lose to the iphone in functionality (still defeated in the style department though)

if you want to go power-user though, like trying to edit a few lines in proposal/budget, the iPhone will require a lot more hard work. besides, why get a phone that is so full of restrictions? no easy transfer of files, no bluetooth, can't DL, can't use unauthorised apps (by default), can't charge battery with generic usb cable, can't use 3rd party battery...

i can only see a lot of frustration from iphone for those who don't follow the user guide 100% of the time...:cool:
[Touch HD General] oneeyesquare:
I am on the 3g iphone?2g iphone since September of last year, prior to that Glofiish x500 and x500+, Cingular 8525 and multiple WM and Palm PDA;s prior.

The iPhone is a jail.An easy to use with some really nice apps jail, but a jail none the less. Mine is jailbroken, running intelliscreen and other "illegitimate" apps. It severly lacks in it's interface-it's just Palm really. Palm w/o Zlauncher. The apps are gorgeous. Some are very useful. It needs a dedicated camera button. It's 3 actions to get the camera open and then a good 30 second lag before it is useable. How stupid is no video recorder? The lack of copy and paste kills productivity. Apple is fascist!

I have enjoyed it but I would really like the Touch HD. I miss the complexity. TF3D is pretty cool and I love playing with the new Wisbar Desktop2. I miss the openess, customisability and Today screen plugins. XDA is awesome. I'm seriously thinking about sell my hx4700....
[Touch HD General] nu_D:
LOL

BEST POST EVER!!!

ROTFLMAO!

"I miss the complexity."

haha

The honesty in this post is spectacular! Welcome to XDA! Make yourself comfy! :D
[Touch HD General] kauliarhs:
I got the Touch Hd. And I also had the chance to use the iphone. Usually I prefer the underdog to fashionable mainstream gadgets like the iphone. BUT...

the built quality of the HD is horrid! After a month of use it squeaks like a pig in the slaughter. Usability??? user friendly?? lets get serious here..

you have to squeeze the screen to get anything out of it.. It should be called the squeezescreen instead.. Touch flo? looks like a cheap copy of the iphones brilliant touch system.. whatever its called.. I had HTC phones since the first SPV .. thats for the last 6 years!! and they were always one step ahead. with problems, but ahead. I was expecting the HD to be a breakthough to the other side for HTC.. but one month later I think I prefer my reliable M700..

The think with the iphone is simple: Its usable!!! you don't need to be a hacker to get it working. GPS works straight out of the box with google maps. it gets you were you need to go. simple. And effective.

The alarm clock? horrible. you need a third party app. good luck with the hunting for the one that suits you and works..

The Peole menu on touch flo fro your contacts? stupid. I always have to go on start contacts to find the person I want to call.

Texting on touch flo? you get a text, you want to read it, but if its too long you need to tap alla messages, which takes you to all your sms and then tap again to read it and scroll down! How stupid is that????

I wonder.. All the reviews I ce read and found it brilliant.. Who are these people that used it? blind gadget freaks that get obsessed with a new toy or professionals who convey an objective experience to their readers???

the list with the faults on HD is endless.. I ll keep it because I paid 2.50 GBP for it and because I don't like all the fuzz about the iphone. But the iphone is a million times better. Sorry to say that. Really.

I'll get back now to my search for a new rom, to my frugal attempts to install tom tom or anything else to help me get were I am going.. etc etc.. I m going back in a few words to do HTC 's or Microsofts job. I hope android will save us windows mobile users from this nightmare!!!

thans for reading people. I hope I didn't offend anyone with my post.
[Touch HD General] Khalild:
Ok I had to reply to this message because the fail is just too much.

First of all I really don't know what your problem is, the screen is very very responsive, and you need the lightest touch to activate it, (also capasitive screens are not that great especially if you want to use them with gloves on). As for GPS it works straight out of the box too, and with google maps, amazing!! oh and you can use real GPS navigation programs like TOM TOM.

As for the people menu then add people to your favorites if they are not there, or change the softkey on the home screen to open contacts if you are that botherred. As for alarm clocks I agree but there are plenty of excelent free ones, try G-Alarm. I really think you are being over dramatic, and I actually find the build quality better than the Iphone.

Also I like being able to multitask, install whatever I want, and copy paste, but maybe that's just me.
[Touch HD General] Moandal:
So you love the iphone, hate the HD, but you're going to stick with the HD??? So what if you paid £250 for the HD - you could easily sell it for £400. Something doesn't add up. I think you like you're HD a lot more than you're letting on. ;)
[Touch HD General] viczena:
i have quite the same profile of phone usage. i sold my iphone and bought the touch hd. the best decision i ever made.

what is it good for to have a browser, but no cut&paste? what is good for to have an email client, but no possibility to use it in landscape mode? why would you need a safari browser which cannot display most of the flash-driven sides (hotels &accomodations for example).

also: why do you have a GPS chip aboard when you dont get a gps-program? why do you have bluetooth when it does not connect to external cellular car phones or external gps devices? why do you need wifi when you cant use the phone as an external modem for your laptop? why do i need a touch display which cannot be used with gloves on (especially in winter)...

and if you travel abroad, you will be glad to hear that you have to pay $15 per MB data, as you cannot change the sim card (provider).

maybe some of these limitations can be overcome when you jailbreak the iphone. but then you are in the mercy of some (noble) hackers. which could be arrested every minute and charged wich a zig million dollar charge. or apple just closes the backdoors in the next version of the OS. or just remotely deletes your files and programs, whenever you plug it into an itunes computer.

the touch hd is stable, easy to use and i get my work done much quicker with it than with the iphone. some of the tasks are not even possible with the iphone (no texteditor, no open filesystem, no filexplorer, no printing, no netaccess to the pc-world....).

but if you need iFart, iBeer, iDrink, then take the iPhone.
[Touch HD General] KukurikU:
generally

speaking, for anybody that is asking: iPhone or HD there is only one answer: iPhone

such a question gave me the impression (i might be wrong) that this person is missing the know-how to handle a WM device because it seems can not use google or can not understand all the reviews and comparisons already existing there.

and it's very much like asking:

i need something to get from my home to my office and for some occasional weekends. should i buy a motorcycle or a car?;) if i'll buy a car should i buy a SUV, sport or family car?...and so on...

anyway, the great majority recommended an iPhone.:p
[Touch HD General] leochan2005:
Iphone is for people who want to use it as a phone with some fantastic application, easy to use and the most important - never hangs.

WM phone - I have been using for at lest 6 years - from Compag to Kasier (one year ago), then tried the iphone, I found it I just love it, no complicated application, tricks, or even search solution for some bugs in a "should be already usable" WM in forum like here.

However, if you like to "develop" the phone, e.g. inventing some tricks, always read the forum and intall cab or different roms versions, then go for WM phone.

Overall, if you do not want to have the machine always hang, and if you do not have time to experient or develop your phone (the pupose of WM phone I think), then go for iphone, otherwise, WM.

I was attacted by the blackstone last week, and bought one, but I used for 3 hours - 2 hours was spent on flashing another customised rom, 1 hour was used to playing it around... I found it was not as responsive as an iphone, and many pre-installed application - eg. sms, music, weather, internet, dialer, contact, or even the carmera application I found they are not as good as iphone - that I feel iphone is really in advance for at least 2 years over the WM, then I sold it back to the store after 4 hours - of couse lost a little of monies lost.

An interesting point, I was still wasted some time on getting the active sync collected to the phone, and the carmera took yellow pictures (may be there are some tricks already in the forum to fix it but I missed it)

For the form factor, blackstone is the best I can say in the WM series, and is very close to the iphone - yes larger screen. But I still love my iphone with lower resolution or smaller screen because I want to use it rather than develop it.

Multi-touch is excellent that I cannot live without it, picture quality is very good surprisingly - at least in my iphone screen, needless to say the ipod function. Battery is good, and I do not need to open many many application at the same time in a small screen as iphone can reopen the application speedily. Also, many games are very good!! I am an accountant but never use excel in a small screen. After Jailbreak, I can use MMS, write word document, change wall paper, system sounds (a set of whole things for the system - they call it theme), reading pdf doc by using one source - cydia (this is a very clever design too as everthing new can be found in one place).

Both hardware are good, I think this is only the OS that differentiate to each other.

I do highly respect those guys/experts working and developing WM in this forum, they write of course excellent posts, sometimes, I missed the old days spent many time in search solutions (cab files, tricks) to adjust my WM phone.
[Touch HD General] arfster:
My iphone hung quite a few times, maybe a dozen over a few months, with very few basic apps added. My HD has never crashed, and that's with me screwing around in the registry etc.
[Touch HD General] Secondbaseman12:
Please tell me its a solid good phone that doesn't break downs after months of use.

My HD is coming next week and I am planing and using it with a case. So no reasons to worry right?
[Touch HD General] leochan2005:
If your iphone hangs a dozen times in a few months, I suggest you to get it repaired as it might be hardware problem - guess you did not JB it.

Your HD did not crush, I guess you flash your rom every 1-2 weeks when an always "faster" rom come out?
[Touch HD General] arfster:
I did jailbreak it. It's just not a particularly stable product, others do the same.

Just flashed it the once.
[Touch HD General] homer285:
Bollocks! WinMo is WinMo and has been since its first release :D... Why dont you do yourself a favour and buy an iphone if its so bad, it'll save us reading your whinging whining crapola!
[Touch HD General] kimandsteve:
The interesting thing here is I have a TYTN II straight out of the box with no mods and it never hangs. Maybe all the cookin here causes the probs?

I use the gps for 2-4 hours per day, reveive 40 emails, send 15 emails, make 15 calls, receive 15 calls, listen to podcasts (synced with itunes) and it rocks.

Never had a problem from day one (other than when I stuck in my 8GB SD) and had to reload the GPS Mapping Software.
[Touch HD General] PilotRMK:
iPhone for your needs. In the end (if you can get everything working properly) on an HTC HD it would be better, but look at this forum and others. Hundreds of posts of people frustrated by HTC and Microsoft Activesync.

I don’t possess the software knowledge of many on this forum, but I was a prior European head of a financial software firm and had access to our development team (all from MIT) and after 2wks with the HTC HD am considering returning it for a refund.
[Touch HD General] seal:
I own the HD and love it, it offers me so much more than the iphone could even imagine, in saying that the iphone is an amazing device for what it does, it does it well and you can be quite retarted and still operate it and the screen in my opinion is far better in its contrasts than the HD, thats my biggest dissapointment with the HD.

My mate was staying at my house for the past week and I had a chance to really play with the iphone and I would still prefer the HD as I like to change the way my phone looks all the time and use all the functions that the iphone doesn't have.

For my mate the iphone is perfect as he has a mac laptop and they go together perfect.
[Touch HD General] DavidMc0:
For calls and emails, both HD and Iphone are fine, I doubt either will cause you any trouble once they're set up.

For web browsing however, the HD has a massive advantage - that being the big WVGA screen!

If you spend 40% of your phone time browsing the web, then I say you should definitely get the HD, as you can see the whole width of many web sites and they are readable when fully zoomed out (in landscape mode).

Also, with new browsers (IE6 & some opera versions) you can see flash content in the browser, which will offer a better experience overall.

The HD's battery life is also a little bit better than the Iphone's.

Perhaps you should try both for a bit and see which you prefer overall.
[Touch HD General] htc cruiser:
Please get an iphone so we can can close this thread. Or post this question in an iphone forum. We all know the pro & cons and it all comes down to personal preference. Sick and tired of these win-mo haters!
[Touch HD General] bernaserra:
Iphone all the way.

I've owned a myriad of WinMo devices and smartphones and done a ton of customization and created some custom themes and over clocked and all that stuff. I am sorry to say it but iphone has everything i have ever wanted in a phone. Its a psp and ninDS a leveler it helps me find restaurants and see reviews on them. It does my email my browsing my gaming my music playing. Some ppl complain about multitasking but my phone never runs slows like my WinMo. My iphone also doesnt freeze up or need constant resets. I am not a fanboi cuz i came from winMo and did alot with it. I just prefer a phone with less work just to make it run ok. Plus i prefer a non stylus phone. I am not dogging WinMo users. there are some benefits to WinMo just none that are too important to me. But I am not saying my needs are the needs of the ppl or that anyone else opinion is wrong I am just sharing mine.:)
[Touch HD General] Suatae:
I would get the Touch HD.

With my experience, both sides of the coin; the iPhone wins with simplicity and functionality. But, Touch HD wins with expandability and with the ability to add your own personal touch to it. It's true, they both have problems. If you want stable, simplistic use for certain tasks, then choose the iPhone. Or, if you want more out of your device, like better software and you are willing to spend the time expanding the functionality of your device; then pick HD. Touch HD; for me, is a better choice. I like to personally and completely customize my device.:D

Update: I decided to wait and now have the Touch Diamond2.:D
[Touch HD General] Boinng:
Unless you have a very specific need for particular WinMo features, then the iPhone all the way. As a phone/emailer/surfer it's perfect, the phone's 100% stable and reliable, superfast, and just a hell of a lot nicer to use.

As for all this "the iPhone's only good for simple apps" BS, don't believe it for a second, the appstore these days is teeming with stuff that's way ahead of WinMo. And if you're dead set on customising, you can always jailbreak and tweak the phone exactly how you like it, with different home screens, themes, multitasking, and yes - even copy and paste.

The only good reason to stick with WinMo IMHO is if you want to run TomTom or some other turn-by-turn navigation app, and frankly if that's all that keeps you looking at WM you'd be better off investing in a standalone satnav for the car and getting a phone that's actually worth the money.
[Touch HD General] xX SPION KOP Xx:
HD

:D:D:D:D:D

My brother in law got iphone, ive got HD, he's gutted, says he wishes he'd moved to Orange!
[Touch HD General] mib1800:
Based on you logic, I dont see why someone would even want to consider an Iphone anyway since the only thing the Iphone has is the UI. Even then the Iphone UI can't do better than HD's TOuchFlo in most of the essential tasks. And on the HD you can run multiple shells if you want to. And Iphone dont even have anything close to the WM Today screen (with its plugins capability)

Even the supposely strong points of Iphone (web/multimedia) are eclisped by HD. Opera on HD is as good as safari (and even better in new version with Flash support). And HD has more free RAM than Iphone which means much more stable multi-tab surfing. And the HD screen has about twice the resolution of Iphone making viewing much more enjoyable. HD also supports many more media formats than Iphone which means you dont have to be bonded to the Itunes sync nightmare.

Iphone is still missing essential hardware like AF 5MP camera, full BT support, usb drive and memory card slot (well you can get 32GB on the HD now).

Even if you jailbreak, there are still many essential apps that are missing (or not up to working standard) on Iphone including phone management suites (e.g spb PhoneSuite), voice navigation, fm radio, IMs/VOIP, BB support etc. And the supposedly "mult-task" workaround is nowhere near WM "co-operative multi-tasking" capability.
[Touch HD General] boooooooooo:
Touch HD ....... RULES :D:D:D

It has far more options than the iPhone. And based on your usage needs, there is no reason why not go for the Touch HD !
[Touch HD General] 10184911:
Usually, when I get stuck in choosing between two products... I buy BOTH!!! ha.. you should too :D:D:D the redundant one can always to be passed on to a loved one!

I personally prefer WinMo due the line/field of work I am in. Programs I require only come in WinMo format not Apple. By far, HD has been the best WinMo I've trialled and used. Do not regret buying it...

Of course this is my opinion.
[Touch HD General] baskorov:
As multimedia smartphone sound quality is the basic function, htc touch hd still have stutter sound problem, I'm not sure it's hardware or software problem, so iphone still the best in this basic function
[Touch HD General] funk1980:
Well, these are are few things I use my HD for:

- Navigation (tomtom, iGo8)

- 'Modem' for my laptop when on the road

- Watching DivX on the orginal resolution...

- Sync with my work's exchange server

Things I REALLY need and the iPhone CAN'T do.