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[Touch HD General] pgiuoco:
Well here is my 2cents I belive the touchhd is a really nice phone but htc really probably should have given it some better specs, instead of practically throwing in the touch hardware into a phone with a HUGE screen. What i'm looking forward to is http://www.nvidia.com/page/handheld.html click learn more on the page to see some of the specs now throw that processor into a phone like tthe touchhd and that would be sick http://www.nvidia.com/object/tegra_600.html click the specifications button and just imagine what you could do
[Touch HD General] polllux:
being honest, i prefer the diamond as its smaller & if you want a bigger screen for watching movies etc, why not buy something more dedicated, hell my psp plays movies as nice as that touch HD if you convert them properly.

As i got a diamond, I wont be wasting cash on that touch HD as its no improvvement to me, I think it's worse cause as an all in 1 device its too big ;)
[Touch HD General] Kangburra:
My O2 Flame has 3.5" screen and has opened up all sorts of new ways to use my "phone" It's my GPS, e-book reader, ipod, calculator, email client etc. All of which on a small 2.8" screen were difficult at best. The HD goes one better and should make it work for even more uses.
[Touch HD General] chrnas:
Maybe mentioned but it looks like 2 events is shown in this video (45 seconds)

http://www.pocketnow.com/index.php?a=portal_detail&t=news&id=6182

Comment: Yes it's a X1 but I think that TouchFlow is taken from HD.
[Touch HD General] Ruudfood:
a) OK

b) Yes, but the point is that Apple have not allowed it.

c) I thought you were referring to the N95 which has a very good camera. I'm aware that megapixels on their own do not a good camera make which is exactly why I mentioned autofocus and flash. Those 2 on their own will make the image quality better - the increased number of pixels is a bonus and a jump from 2 - 5MP is an even bigger bonus. I don't hear people saying "Wow, look at the quality of the iPhone's 2MP camera!"

d) My opinion might be wrong in the eyes of you, Apple and MS, but for me (and I'm sure many others) it's not a feature, it's a gimmick. So MS have copied Apple - or have they? Cos MS's surface technology I'm sure included multitouch before the iPhone came along! - but that doesn't make it a good feature on a device of this size.

e) Can you tell me what I called you before you referred to me as a doofus, (as much loved as he may have been in Ducktales) because I can't find any post where I said anything about you.

f) Oh well, it's lacking TV out. Get a Raphael then!
[Touch HD General] low405:
I was very excited to by the HD when details first started coming out. I've been using WM for about 5 years now, culminating in a Touch Diamond, and I never had any problem defending all of the little problems that I encountered along the way.

As more details became available I got to be less excited by the day. The no d-pad issue would (I think) be the worst issue. Anyone saying that they can get by on Touchflow alone has obviously never changed their message alert tones. The d-pad on the diamond was bad enough, but without one?

Cost is a big one too. Here in the UK it's currently looking like over £500 including VAT.

The other issue is what can you do with any of the new devices that you couldn't 3 years ago? Touchflow can be added to the older units for a lot less money

Seeing how everyone is talking about the iPhone, an 8gb goes for £350 on pay as you go. £150 for a HTC Universal with the memory upgrade off ebay. That's a hell of a combo.

The iPhone is NOT a smartphone. It IS a feature phone biased towards mutimedia. That's all it does and it does it well. As a phone it is far superior to any HTC device that I've had yet (11 so far) but it is limited in what it can do. The HD and the iPhone do have some crossover featues but they are not really aimed at the same market. It is the users who have gone from one to the other and have been dissapointed that have caused this to be the case. If a device has features that would be useful to you, great! If someone else wants a feature that's present on another device, great!

I am not a apple fan, I use windows computers only I have just got myself a nice new(old?) Universal with 128mb upgrade. I have a netbook with built in HSDPA. I do also have an iPhone. I pick the best bits from each as and when they are needed. The whole setup of netbook, iphone and Uni cost £800.

Will I buy an HD? No. I will be very interested in the next unit with similar features and how it will make me productive. That'll probably be "leaked" in a few weeks anyway.

Phil

The main point is that there is noperfect device and to wish for one is just that. No manufacturer will ever give you the perfect device as what would they be able to release next week
[Touch HD General] donbronzi:
Firstly how many people who have commented on this thread have actually had the device in hand?

I think calling this phone the best phone ever is a bit like calling the iphone the best phone ever. It really is down to the individual.

labling the HD as potentially the best phone is more accurate. The lack of a Dpad could be seen as an issue, but to me i see it as the future. I find hardware buttons prone to faults and excessive wear.

The large screen is what makes this phone what it is, but coupled with that is all the lastest tech HTC have developed over the previous 2 yrs (excl Tv out which i really do think is a useless gimmick! but thats just me).

This phone is without a doubt the future of mobile coms the problem is we have all seen the development of it through the elf, cruise, kaiser, diamond etc. If this device came out of the blue we would all agree its status as the best phone ever.

I think some people should sit back and look view the HD as what it is, a stand alone device.

Congratulations HTC on a great device...(probably the best mobile phone ever?)
[Touch HD General] Boinng:
The problem is, while the hardware may well be considered "the future" (or, more accurately, largely "the present" if you look at the obvious iPhone comparison), the OS on the phone is not the future, it's not even the present, it's fundamentally stuck in the past. It's an interface that owes more to the Ipaq than the Iphone, and that's why you *will* miss that d-pad, and will end up getting the stylus out more often that you'd like, regardless of the touchiness or size of that screen.

I'm not against WinMo as a choice of OS, I used it to the full for a year and I'm well aware of its benefits, but it seems to me the HD just plays to all of its weaknesses - completely unsuitable hardware for the software at hand, regardless of how desirable the idea of it may be.

It's as if this, and other phones in the current HTC range, were designed in anticipation of a different OS altogether - the now postponed WM7 perhaps. Anyone notice how the new arrangement of call/end/home/back keys on current HTC phones is exactly like that seen in the early WM7 screenshots that leaked out, before any of these devices (from the Touch Diamond onwards) were pictured? I can quite believe that HTC's whole Touch range was meant for something better that just hasn't arrived in time.
[Touch HD General] donbronzi:
Couldn't agree with you more on this statement, however this isn't to take away from the device's hardware. While not perfect the TF3D has come along way and i belive updates will be available in the future to improve the HDs UI, perhaps WM7 or perhaps a form of android who knows.

But the possibility of this phones software being improved, develped etc is actually what makes this device great.

I will concede and everyone knows WM6/6.1 is limited when using touch devices, we are all waiting for the ideal UI. All i'm saying is that the HD deserves a bit of respect here. To say its just a big screen is wrong, it is a truely fanatstic device that will still be current even futuristic next year when perhaps there will be a OS which compliments it.
[Touch HD General] tboy2000:
I don't think a dpad will matter with this phone as the screen is big you can just touch the radio buttons and drop down list.
[Touch HD General] fhsieh:
No one ever said WM's interface wasn't old (that's the whole reason why so many people are looking forward to WM7), but exactly how much of a problem that is will be different from one person to another. Therefore that whole argument is relative.

Personally I require a couple key features in a portable device (of any kind), and the only suitable apps that give me those features are available only for WM (at least for now) -- and for one app in particular, a stylus is far more important than a dpad. To me, no amount of slick interface or finger-friendliness can make up for a lack of those apps. Neither Android nor Maemo (both of which I have used) have what I need. iPhone has a barebones version of one of the apps I need, but there is no concerted effort to improve it (Apple seems focused on minor interface tweaks), so it remains unviable.

So WM it is for me, and though the interface is indeed old, it is but a minor price to pay. Besides, it's not like I'm utterly incapable of navigating through WM. I must therefore respectfully disagree that lack of a dpad is necessarily the HD's Achille's heel. Maybe for a lot of other people, but for me it's just small beans.
[Touch HD General] fallenczar:
b)

http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/...-apis-apple-didnt-want-you-to-know-about.html

c)iphone camera review - http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/27/technology/circuits/27pogue.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

and

http://reviews.cnet.com/4326-6454_7-6580724-1.html?tag=mncol;page

and this completely random comment

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=2824141&postcount=2

d) i really would suggest that you watch this video.

http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=1ftJhDBZqss&feature=related

e)I found the entire tone of your post to be condescending.

P.S - if you own a WM device and think that lack of a D-Pad is not a big deal, i would suggest that you try some of the games available here http://idreams.pl/main.php and report back to us. (I did that myself on my uni and found it frustratingly difficult)
[Touch HD General] fhsieh:
That display is waaaay larger than a phone! :p

What about someone like me who doesn't play games? (Well, at least I have my DS for that, but I don't have much time for that either.) :D
[Touch HD General] tboy2000:
Well there are plenty of games that does not need the use of a dpad. I know because I installed them on y sister's Touch Diamond and they are all touch based games. If a game only works for Dpad - fine - don't install it. There are hundreds of games to choose from. It's not the end of the world.

Not having a Dpad is not a big deal. Really.
[Touch HD General] fallenczar:
a)that was to demonstrate the uses of the technology (which were being doubted)

b)maybe this will interest you then http://forum.corecodec.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1368
[Touch HD General] dagosjt:
New Samsung Omnia

You can wait for the "upgraded" Samsung Omnia: TV-out, dpad (or something like) already was there, more it will have an 800x480 screen and TV RECEIVER too, and screen 3,3" instead of previous 3,2". It's official in Korea and very probably will be at least in Europe in little time.

So, a part screen (not 3,8") it would have everything everybody is looking for :D
[Touch HD General] fhsieh:
And that alone is supposed to permanently impair my experience with a mobile device? I mean, if the whole reason you have a mobile device is for audiobooks, then a dpad is certainly a good feature to have; but then you might consider a standalone PMP which would offer superior file management and substantially better battery life (among other things).

I personally would not consider "tapping on the slider to scrub 10 seconds" so much more difficult than pressing on the dpad that it would demerit the HD. Besides, how would a device with no buttons, like the iPhone, handle the same task? On-screen buttons? Well CorePlayer is far from the only media player for WM. And no, I don't listen to audiobooks anyway, so it still doesn't affect me.

Besides, you're missing my point. I have my own requirements for what I consider to be a good mobile device, and currently only WMPro phones fulfill those requirements. You can go on and on about all the negatives in the lack of a dpad, but those simply don't affect me either way, so the HD would still fit the bill for me. And it goes both ways: I could give a dozen reasons why the iPhone has problems, but for many people those points don't matter.

Since these things are going to vary a lot from one person to another, the point is that it's useless to make broad generalizations such as "no dpad = terrible WM experience". The HD is not perfect, but for a lot of people it goes above and beyond what they expect/require, and that is enough for them to consider it a great device.
[Touch HD General] Moandal:
I had never even considered the lack of a D-pad being an issue. It's certainly not a problem for me. I've had a Universal for nearly 3 years and hardly ever use the D-pad. None of the games I enjoy playing use it. (Spades, Poker, Freecell, Machines at War).

There's no TV-out on the Uni, and it's not a feature I've ever wanted.

I have no problem using a stylus with Windows Mobile. In fact I can't see how you could ever really get rid of it even on a 3.8" screen if you want to navigate cells on a spreadsheet (I use spreadsheets a lot on the Uni) or click on small links on a web page accurately without having to waste time zooming in first. The finger is such a blunt instrument for a small screen that I don't think I'd want a device that didn't have a stylus. It strikes me that the combination of TF3D and WM6.1 gives you the best of both worlds - use your finger most of the time, grab the stylus when pointing accuracy is required.

In comparison, the iphone is no use to me for several reasons:

1) No MMS (don't use this much but I would hate to lose it)

2) No turn-by-turn navigation

3) No Office Mobile

To sum up, the Touch HD looks like the phone most suited to my needs at the moment. The only feature it lacks which I'd like to see is a thin keyboard, but I guess I could live without it. However I won't be renewing my Universal until this time next year, expecially since the Touch HD doesn't actually give me much more than my Uni does already, so I look forward to seeing what's on the market in November 2009. I'm sure it'll be good.
[Touch HD General] fallenczar:
Well, the HD is being touted as a Multimedia / Entertainment Device but -

Most of the Top WM Games will not be playable Because of lack D-Pad

The Video Performance will be Average at best due to HTC's Decision to go with the MSM 7201A chipset.

Though it can very well support Video Out, HTC decided to scrap this.

Same With USB Host.

If you had taken the time to actually READ the threads title, you would have realized that the OP wanted to know if the HD was actually "Jesus Phone" V.2 as people are making it out to be.

The Shortcomings that i listed simply point out that it can not be "Jesus Phone" V.2.

You still like it, great, go ahead and buy it.

Why you needlessly had to bring in the iphone into this discussion is beyond me.
[Touch HD General] manuelcalavera:
what about Dead Pixel problem ?!

anybody know wheres the problem ?!

i mean , they should be black , why they are white , blue and ... ?!
[Touch HD General] pzucchel:
From my point of view, it is JUST the best phone i have ever seen....and JUST a 3.8" gorgeous display....:eek::eek::eek::eek:
[Touch HD General] leek:
This is the first PDA phone released since the XDA Flame that I can tolerate. (There are other possibilities coming out, but they're not available yet.)

The large screen is essential. I don't understand why 99.9% of phones still use 2.8" screens. It's been 1.5 years since the Flame, the last WinMo device to have a 3.5" or larger VGA screen, without being gargantuan like the Athena and Universal (which won't fit in my pockets).

The lack of a D-pad is not a big problem. Saves space.

The use of a stylus is preferred by me for all but the "crudest" applications, where a finger can be used.

I mainly use it for business applications requiring connectivity. Outlook calendar, email, contacts, SSH, etc. Being able to install the right third-party software is important too. Something for which an iPhone, Symbian, Blackberry, or Android device would be unsuitable.

I don't think action games would play well on here. Board/card games, sure.

Lack of video out is a disadvantage, because it means I can't use it to present PowerPoint. Lack of USB hosting is the other disadvantage compared to the Flame. It is only good up to 2.5G in the USA, but I blame that more on US carriers than on phone manufacturers.

I got one this morning. I like it so far. It's not a "Jesus phone", or a gaming phone, no. But it's a good phone for working professionals like myself, who want instant access to information and to communicate with colleagues and computers.

Only problem so far: Landscape mode doesn't work out-of-box. The G-Sensor calibration works, but doesn't automatically switch to landscape mode. I guess I'll RTFM.
[Touch HD General] fasty:
I've just loaded some music on to my new Touch HD.

The sound quality does seem very good for a PDA (although I am using some decent Sennheiser headphones)

I'm really pleased that they have provided a standard 3.5mm socket, much more convenient than fiddly adaptors or unreliable 2.5mm sockets.

- Steve
[Touch HD General] Exitao:
I think people are hung up on the lack of D-Pad because we've never had a touch screen that worked so well we didn't need to fall back on the D-pad.

I'm interested to hear how people are finding the touch screen, utility-wise. Is it responsive enough to not require you to pull out a stylus?

I'm also curious how the battery life is, especially when used with BT or A2DP.
[Touch HD General] marcel808:
great review on slashgear, lots of good info on battery life.

http://www.slashgear.com/htc-touch-hd-slashgear-review-part-2-0721942/

They say they got 15 hours out of one charge listening to mp3s and a whopping 7 hours watching video!!
[Touch HD General] pjhollin:
leek, great post. Thanks. It looks like your reaquirements are mostly similar to mine, so I'll have to consider getting one, even without 3G here in the US.

One question - can the TouchFlo be turned off and have the HD default to standard WinMo Today screen with a Start button?
[Touch HD General] leek:
Good question. I have not gotten that far yet :)

I suspect it's possible, since most of the "extra" features like TouchFlo are ROM "aftermarket" features added to Windows Mobile, which can be disabled if not installed at hard-reset time.

The question is, whether not installing them disables important features of the hardware, like GPS and gyroscope.

(Google Maps works well with the built-in GPS, finding and drawing my position within 100 feet.)

Lee
[Touch HD General] Insaneboy:
It is possible, but why would you want to do that?

Except if you plan on using another shell like SPB or...
[Touch HD General] manuelcalavera:
agree,

its just like a plugin ! you can disable it on today menu and then reset your phone, then you dont have it!
[Touch HD General] leek:
Some of us actually prefer uncluttered Today screens. We don't need everything under the sun displayed at once.

I have never seen a Today add-on except Magic Button, that I liked.

I've tried SPB and others. I install the trial versions of them, try using them, and then an hour later, remove them.

I don't like Resco stuff either. I think it's a rip-off.

That is not to say I don't customize my Today screen and what gets on it -- I do -- but not with third-party programs that fill up the Today screen with icon clutter.
[Touch HD General] pjhollin:
Thanks, leek, insaneboy, and manuel. It's nice to know I can disable it if I want to. As to why I would want to, in August when I switched to Sprint, I played around with a Touch and didn't like the UI. I like the basic WinMo Today screen and a stylus. I know a stylus works with the HD's resistive screen, but the panes and accelerometer stuff may be things I won't get accustomed to using.

The UI is not what attracts me to the device. The large screen and lack of hard keyboard are the main attractions.

I do like Today plugins that give me quick access to programs. On my pre-Treo 800w WinMo phones I used Spb's Today plugin, but it doesn't work right with the 800w's 320x320 screen, so I use Resco's. I don't like weather, stocks, news, sports feeds, etc., on my Today screen. Just a bunch of program icons.

If I do get the HD, I certainly will try the TouchFlo UI to see if I like it since it seems to be the new UI in the industry. But I wanted to be sure that I could go back a UI I've been using for about 7 years before spending big bucks.

Edit - Lee, I just saw your Visitor Message. Thanks for the info; I'll check them out.
[Touch HD General] leek:
Hear, Hear.
[Touch HD General] pjhollin:
Speaking of screen size, does anyone know what the width and length of the screen are? I've searched several specs, including the HD manual, and all I see is the diagonal dimension of 3.8 in. I'm interested in comparing it to my Jornada screen to get a better feel for the HD's screen size.

Using the 3.8 diagonal measurement, the Pythagorean theorem, and the assumption the screen is proportional to its 480x800 resolution, I calculated the size to be approximately 1.95x3.25 inches. Can anyone confirm this, please?

The Jornada's screen is 2.2x2.9.

Thanks.
[Touch HD General] daboutz:
hi

first a little OT

ive been following the forums for some months now and i must say this forum is awesome.

Enough OT..lol

After gettin a Diamond and customizin it to my needs, i was very pleased with it......just until i bought the HD...

I must definately say, that its NOT just about the 3.8" screen...HD has improved over Diamond in alsmot every point...big screen, speed, Battry life (which is awesome), touchscreen much more responsive...actually everything that i was missing on the Diamond, the HD has it...its simply a beautiful phone

dont get me wrong...im still a big fan of my diamond, cuz' its a really good Phone an compact...but the HD has it all...

just my opinion...

peace

dB
[Touch HD General] P996:
The Touch HD is not even close to the iPhone 3G when it comes to touch usage and video performance, so NO, it is NOT the best phone ever. It is however better than the iPhone 3G regarding reception (signal) quality.

I'm quite disappointed with the Touch HD, I expected somehow something more, more iPhone-like regarding the touch usage and definetely with a much better video performance I was used to from the latest HTC devices I owned (Touch Diamond, TyTN II).

There is a lot of hype going on regarding the Touch HD and I realize that it is just hype, nothing more. The display is absolutely great and the resolution stunning but it fails to have the vivid colors and the brightness of the iPhone 3G display. Despite the almost double resolution of the Touch HD display, you can barely see a difference to the iPhone 3G display. The TouchFlo usage is also far away from being smooth, it also shows some lag sometimes.

The large display is great for internet surfing, no doubt about it but the zooming/scrolling is not very comfortable, it also shows a minimal lag, very annoying compared to the iPhone 3G.

If somebody feels offended by the comparison to the iPhone 3G: the iPhone 3G is THE benchmark for touch usage, I don't think we need to discuss this over and over again. The Touch HD feels in my opinion like a Touch Diamond/Pro with a bigger screen, nothing more and nothing less. If you can live with that, buy it. If not, well... :(