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[Touch HD General] mib1800:
This is definitely a typical statement made by a Iphone fanboy. You have no evidence at all about this and yet you are so adamant. I can't even come close to your extremist view. :p

There are 20m WM sold every year and if what you are saying is true (i.e "vast majority" of them are near unusable, crashing all the times), I am just wondering why anyone would consider buying a WM at all (or be a repeat customer). I doubt any operator would pick up a WM since they would be swarmed with support/repair issues.

I respect that you are crazy about your Iphone. But making a overzealous and unfounded statement just because you worship your Iphone is just ridiculous to say the least. I just wonder whether there is any point in debating with you.

Another typical fanboy statement. You think that only Iphone programmers can make great stable software and the rest are just idiots. The stock WM phone already beat stock Iphone to the ground in functionalities. It is the Iphone users that need to run thru hoops (jailbreak, apps) to make the Iphone usable.
[Touch HD General] fallenczar:
http://dailymobile.se/2009/03/12/global-smartphone-sales-growth-slows-to-37-in-4q/

Glen Hansard - Lies Lyrics

I think it's time, we give it up

And figure out what's stopping us

From breathing easy, and talking straight

The way is clear if you're ready now

The volunteer is slowing down

And taking time to save himself...

...I could see you're only telling

Lies, lies, lies

Breaking us down with your

Lies, lies, lies

When will you learn.
[Touch HD General] mib1800:
Another typical "dont-know-how-to-read" illogical Iphone fanboy response. What has my response to eaglesteve has anything to do with sales?

edit: WM sales in 2008 were 16.5m according to Gartner. It is a bit off from 20m (maybe I was confused with projection for this year) but the point of discussion is not about the figure. Next time pls give a link to a "proper" statistics (that link you gave is for a quarter not whole year). My figure has a high chance of being valid for this year. ;) Hope you are not too disappointed. :p

3rd & 4qtr are just when Iphone was initial launched around the world. I wouldnt be surprise because there are hordes of desparate Apple fanboys (like you) who has been salivating for a long time to get hold of one. Lets just see how Iphone do in 3Q/4Q of this year when everything has stablised. There has been indication that growth from 4Q 08 to 1Q 09 has been negative for Iphone sales which just means that most of the pent-up demand has been satisfied and sales is following market trend.
[Touch HD General] fallenczar:
Exactly how far behind is OSX as Compared to the all mighty and powerful WM??

Microsoft Windows Mobile

16,498.1 k

Mac OS X

11,417.5 k

So Right, there are 11.4 million Apple Fan Boys !!!

And you want to know where that 20m number came from -

http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/ne...indows-mobile-sales-to-grow-by-50-percent.ars

So, if you stop worshiping this guy

http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/ne...o-chance-to-gain-significant-market-share.ars

and stop hanging on to each and every word of his, you will finally see the leak in your precious ship.
[Touch HD General] mib1800:
"All mighty WM"? You must be off your knockers. WM was never a top player in smartphone. They have always been trailing Symbian by huge margin. The projection of 20m were done in may 08 before the world turned topsy-turvy. So 16.5m is still a good figure. So what the heck is your problem? It is not like I am inventing 20m when sales is something like 5m. Why dont you help defend "your buddy" argument that and I quote:

with coherent and plausible argument instead of using cheapskate tactics to dispute WM sales figure that is near correct. Thought Iphone fanboy has more than this, maybe I was wrong? :p .

Nobody has ever disputed that Iphone is a phenomena success. It is very great feat to chalk up that success but like I said let's see for a few more quarters to see whether Apple has what it takes to compete in the long run before you declare that Iphone is gonna wipe everyone else out (figurative speaking). Let's hope Iphone is not like the "Hello Kitty" phenomenon.
[Touch HD General] arfster:
By the way, those of you frustrated with HTC"s lack of "slickness"/UI friendliness (the main advantage of the iphone imo) should flash Dutty's latest 2.6. Countless irritating little things are fixed, it's so much faster and easier to use. Quite why it takes a third party to do what HTC can't, I've no idea.

(should say other rom cookers have probably done a good job also, just dutty's was the only one I tried).
[Touch HD General] fallenczar:
Here You Go,

http://blogs.msdn.com/spatdsg/archi...02E00_iPhone-VS-Windows-Mobile_2E002E00_.aspx

So In Your Delusional World, will these chaps be branded as apple fanboys.

P.S - Your Persistence to see the obvious amazes me.

Did the world turn Topsy Turvy only for WM and Symbian users??

The iPhone was able to notch up sales of 11 millions despite being unavailable in most countries officially (China For Example).

And now your lame hope that this is just an "Hello Kitty" phenomenon which will fade away, when there is no evidence for the same.

And one last thing 16 million is a cool 18% less than 20 million, a small number indeed.
[Touch HD General] Kraize:
Who said I thought the touch hd is the perfect device and wm is the perfect os? Nothing is perfect. EVER. God. Stop ranting. I don't care for iPhones. I'm just saying, in my book, the touch hd is a far more superior device for the business user than the iPhone right now. It just is. iPhone right now is the ultimate multimedia and gaming phone. And the homescreen is still all buttons. I don't think you can change that. Even with Winterboard. I don't see it. All buttons. I'd still rather have an iPhone with WinMo on it. I like it in it's hardware specs. Don't really like the OS. The only thing I do like about it, is the games and the sms app.
[Touch HD General] mib1800:
Heck, ok I rephrase my statement to eaglesteve to:

"There are 16.5m WM sold last year (and maybe about 20m this year)...."

It does not change the rebuttal I am conveying in my post. All I can tell you is that dont be a sore-loser and denigrate all Iphone users with you silly childish banter. :p

So I take it that you agree to the statement that "vast majority" (i.e. that I take it to mean close N x 16.5m since the in-use WM would be higher than year sales) of WM crashes constantly whereas "vast majority" of Iphone (i.e. close to 11-15m) dont have crashes? :p One thing for sure is that Apple brain-washing machine is working on you perfectly :D
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
I'm also a big fan of Dutty's ROM. You can see this from all my posts in version 1.8 especially.

What I like about this version of TF3D is that it was a more serious attempt to hide the terrible native windows calendar, contact, emails, clock, etc. HTC has also done a great job in making the menu item more finger friendly.

However, as I'm using my HD only for GPS navigation at the moment, it does not make much difference which ROM I use. I do still flash new ROM for educational purposes and to keep abreast with the developments in winmo platform.

Thanks anyway for your suggestion, which I think is useful.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
LOL, why are you the exact opposite of me? I would rather have iPhone OS running on HD. Despite not having every OS features such as multitasking, cut and paste, etc, I like this OS so much more than because everything is so well implemented and refine. Only if we can have the gorgeous screen size, resolution (if retaining the multi touch), camera pixel, replaceable battery, FM radio, and external MicroSDHC cards to go with it.:)

So far, I find better applications not just in multimedia area, but in the more serious areas as well. Only in GPS navigation winmo leads. SoftMaker rocks too, and there is no equivalent yet in iPhone.
[Touch HD General] mib1800:
What is there to argue when you propose such proposterous and extreme stance? Maybe I should not be so harsh with your (hopefully ;) ) "one-off" extreme myopic statement. I would gladly apologise to you if that is the case.

You may not be one before but you certainly sounds like one to me NOW (no offence intended). :p Some people do have a fickle mind. ;)

You are so wrong there. ;) I do think highly of Iphone in certain aspects but I would not be so short-sighted to say that Iphone is the best while the rest cannot hold a candle next to the Iphone.

I dont know. You seems to brush aside multi-tasking of WM and emphasiase the UI elements of Iphone. Not sure whether this is open or close mind. :p

Don't forget the cardinal rule that the world does not stand still for Iphone (to catch up). ;)

This is your own assessment. I dont quite agree as Iphone has a host of "left out" (like copy-paste etc) and some UI design issue like email.

I agree with you here. Same with Iphone. By leaving out co-operative multi-tasking, you cannot call Iphone a car when the four wheels are missing. You can argue using workaround etc (e.g. push notification) but I can also argue that TF3D is good enough for most users.

There are always people who find a need to justify their own actions. But I dont need to do that. Dont forget you are the one that painted a rosy picture of Iphone as the better device than rest. Most of my posts are mostly to rebut some of those super-duper points you said about Iphone (like the best email client :p )

No offence intented but you are the ONE vilifying WM and worshipping Iphone with your "vast majority WM crash" statement, not me ;) . I am not even a WM fan. I have been mainly a S60 user for the last 8 years. 2 years ago I used WM for a period of 1 year due to work requirement and now I have the HD as a primary phone.

Frankly there are quite a few things I like better on S60 but there are also some things I like on a WM. Same with Iphone (which I have used for a week or so). If you ask me now what my next phone will be, I would probably tell you maybe a N97 or OmniaHD. I would not discount Iphone 3rd generation if it meets my requirement (but unlikely at the moment). Maybe 4th gen then. :D

Where did I declare my undying love for WM? You should try to take heed of your own stance that you dish out all over the place in this thread. ;)

If you have gone to other forums, you may have notice me argue against WM when someone make statement like "....WM is the best device ever...".

If you want to see how I would response then go and create a thread that sounds like "WM is the greatest of all and Iphone/S60 is just crap..."
[Touch HD General] evildead4eva:
Right guys, I was looking at getting the Touch HD. I currently have a Sony Ericsson C905 and it looks like jail breaking an iphone may be the way to go.... All i use my phone for at the minute is taking photos, emails, and lots and lots of texting. Throwing in needing to use the phone as a modem and being able to send mms if the phone is jailbroken does that make all of this possible and the iphone the best option? I was looking at the touch HD for customisation, but the iphone looks simpler to use and i'll be selling it in 6 months for the sony ericsson idou anyway. lol. Guess you guys are going to tell me to get the iphone and that i need an iphone forum to find out these questions but can anyone confirm...

The iphone can send mms if jail broken,

it can be used as a modem for a computer,

is it better at receiving emails? (i can always go on the gmail website),

whats it like for browsing internet sites?

I have an ipod classic that i use for music, so this is purely for phone features, and if i jail break it i should be able to install pretty much any app i want....
[Touch HD General] viczena:
sold iphones

i have had iphone 1 and iphone 3g. and i sold both in favor of the touch hd. and i never regretted it.

every interesting application i want needs jailbreak. i dont need iFart, iDrink, iBeer.

with the iphone you are constantly depending on the work of some noble hackers, so you are able to jailbreak it. i think os 3.0 will be the end of jailbreak, and the begin of complete control by the greedy monopolist (apple). and the jailbreak community will be charged with patent fraud, as soon as the fbi gets all the data together...

i really need an offline GPS. i need a simfree phone to change simcards (as in europe the roaming fees for data connection are horrendous). cut&paste, a customizable keyboard are also very productive. and you will be very glad when you can change your battery and work on, when there is no wall socket for a charger...

with the htc i get results much faster than with the iPhone. the iphone interface looks nice, but when it comes to productivity it sucks.

and yes: i like the possibility to use the pencil. most of the internet is not optimized for finger frindly devices. so i am much faster when i do not have to contantly zoom and scroll the webpage just to enlarge some buttons.

the large screen of the htc helps too.

i like the way the iPhone presents the icons in the OS. i got the same (even better and faster) with winterface. so many of my friends who saw my htc thought it was the new iPhone 4G ;-).

at the moment i still have to maintain 3 iPhones from my friends. i am always very happy when i can give them back to their owners. i am used to my fast, reliable and multitasking htc hd...
[Touch HD General] viczena:
11m iPhones sold

i am shure that more than half of this amount was not sold to business, smartphone or powerusers, but to children and youngsters, who are very fond to hear music, fiddle around with iFart and games...

the iPhone is intended as a gaming machine, something like the gameboy of our decade...

meanwhile it is quite embarassing to present an iPhone in business meetings: " oh my little daughter also has an iPhone and she entertains the whole campus with iFart..."
[Touch HD General] evildead4eva:
Hmm. As long as i can make the HTC touch look like the iphones UI then i'll be happy...

They're both a similar size (the actual device) but the main thing that is putting me off is texting...I'm so used to actual buttons i'm a bit apprehensive about using hte touch screen with single point recognition....

Looking at the phones they're both similar in price. The camera on the touch seems better than the iphones.

If i where to receive an email off... say... firefox in html. Would it view ok on the touch HD?

Also, someone mentioned that the touch feels cheap, and it starts to "creak" after a month or so.... is this right? :confused:

I can say with pretty much 100% certainty that i will never use the wifi, bluetooth maybe for an hour a month, and gps probably the same.

I'm hoping that will help my battery last longer... Just want a smooth scroll interface like on the ipod. None of their apps really appeal to me, i was wondering, if the image on the camera of the touch can be changed, why can't the shutter speed? (that may be a stupid question).
[Touch HD General] viczena:
the hardware of the htc hd is completely superior to the iPhone.

opera is also superior to safari, there is no problem with viewing webpages. it is even faster, more precise and user frindly.

i have one of the first htc hd. and nothing "creaks".
[Touch HD General] evildead4eva:
is it easy to send a text... say one handed, using the on screen keyboard?

The iphone seems pretty good for this...

Are emails viewed as they would be if i viewed them on gmail through the native email client?

(i'm guessing the email client can be changed as i have never "synced" anything with outlook as i work on a petro-chemical plant and no phones are allowed, and i use the gmail web browser for email at home, along with keeping updates using gmails software on my sony ericsson.

Also, if the roms are flashed so the UI looks like the iphone, is it as smooth for scrolling between apps as the iphone? :lol: so many questions. sorry to be a pain!

Also, the HTC Touch HD is normally sold branded with orange software etc. Will a ROM flash totally remoe any signs of this?
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Sounds to me like you're logically thinking it through.
[Touch HD General] evildead4eva:
i just love the look of the HTC touch and if it can look like the ipod touch and be as smooth on the UI. then that would be perfect!
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
You can make HD's desktop iPhone like by using Winterface, but will not get the same responsiveness, ease of changing page, etc with it.

Any email with html will not display as well on winmo mail as it would on the iPhone mail.

No HD does not feel cheap IMO. The quality is good. There are some people who complain about peeling paint but I do'nt have that issue myself. I use a screen protector and silicon case to protect it though. I did find myself having to open the battery cover often in order to soft reset when the device freezes, but have not found it creaking or anything.

If you almost never use bluetooth, wifi or GPS, then your requirements are likely to be easily met with both devices.

If smooth scrolling like that of iPod appeals to you, only iPhone could deliver that. Not HD.

If you're going to use your device for four, five, six or seven hours non-stop away from power source, HD is a better bet as it would have the ability to swap in a spare battery or batteries. If you're a very very light user using it for less than four hours a day non-stop, then both devices will be okay without the need to charge it mid-day.

Camera in HD is better in bright light, but I think iPhone camera is the better overall because you can use it in a WIDER RANGE OF SITUATIONS, such as in poorly lit restaurants, conference room, convention centre, churches, etc etc, whereas HD will not be able to do as good a job in those situation. Even under bright light, if you're trying to snap your children in sport events when things moves very fast, you will find iPhone camera to be far far better than HD's which requires a relatively long processing time. iPhone's camera captures fast moving things instantly in contrast. Also you will find lots of camera software on iPhone but none on HD, other than those in the cooked ROM. Such software allows you to do stuffs such as capturing say 30 pictures and stich time together as panoramic picture.

Not an easy choice is it? There is unfortunately no perfect devices, so you need to ask yourselfs what are the things important to you.

Hope this helps
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Have you already tried using iPhone or iPod's keyboard and find it pretty good? I need to warn you that there is no T9 predictive keybaord on iPhone yet if you're looking for this. I personally don't use T9 myself. I used Tengo Thumb on HD and found it to be the best one handed keyboard. However, if you use Opera Mobile, many third party software keyboard do not work correctly, so be aware. It is not easy for me to find a keyboard that I like which works with Opera Mobile.

Flashing of ROM does not make it look like iPhone. The easiest way to make it as close as iPhone as possible is to use winterface as your UI shell. No it is not going to give you the kind of smoothness that iPhone gives.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Agree with you.

The lack of smoothness is one thing. Another thing is the quality of the applications. While some people try to tell you that there is only iFart on applestore, don't listen to rubbish talk like this. Do a research yourself to discover it. From medical, to sports, to business, to finance, ... Not just games and entertainment. Let me just repeat that in terms of meeting my own personal needs, there is only one area that is still not met - GPS navigation. In every other area, iPhone's application software are better than the ones I had on my HD. I have better functions and features in many of them. In all cases, they are easier to use. In all cases, they work faster, although in a lower spec hardware.

Okay, other than GPS, there are just one more area where I'm unable to get a software with equal functions. That's SoftMaker on my HD, which gives me 100% of desktop capability for word, excel and powerpoint. I used it more often on my Athena because the screen was hugh. I used less of it in HD because the screen is too small for that. If you have no intention of doing serious spreadsheet, power point and word documents editing, then forget this point.
[Touch HD General] evildead4eva:
bugger.

lol

Well. Guess it's the touch as T9 predictive text is a nececity. Never tried using the ipod's touch screen though where as i have with an old ipaq and quite liked it. Think its going to have to be the touch HD for me. I was almost sold on the iphone on the previous post, but now the touch seems more right for me. . . Simply because of the T9. I'm shocked that the iphone doesn't have it....

I just want smooth scrolling for the interface... I don't like it when things are all jerky. haha.

Looking at it logically the iphone would seem like the best option, but without T9 text input i think it'll be the touch HD :lol:
[Touch HD General] fallenczar:
http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=3546965&postcount=186

Apparently you said everything that you are now trying to disown.

And no one here cares bout what you (or anyone else) likes or dislikes, but when you come in here to say things like WinMo Rulzz, HDs The ULTIMATE device then be ready for some pitchforks and torches.

Peaceout
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Go with what you believe what you feel is your priority. All the best.
[Touch HD General] evildead4eva:
I honestly do like the iphone, and i'd like to read pdf files nad word documents, but being hoenst i cant really do that now without googlese viewer, so its not a major thing.

The touch HD is beautiful.. And its the little lack of smoothness that takes the edge off it for me. I also want to use it with just my finger, no need for a stylus, but think it might be difficult...

If only T9 was there.. The applications seem endless, especially when the phone has been jail broke.

I dont see the point in constantly updating the firmware, which should hopefully mean i wont need to keep jail breaking it. there must be alternatives to itunes to use to copy music to it, and i'm sure it could be used like a portable hard drive, similar to the ipods being able to....

Hmm. Decisions. If someone can sell me the HTC touch HD (in words, not literally, lol) I'd greatly appreciate it, as i really like the device. haha

No matter how much i keep looking at the iphone and thinking it's really nice i keep looking at the HTC and thinking i'll regret buying an iphone if i ever see the HTC touch... lol

I think the key points for me will be sms, phone, and email. I sometimes use the browser and prefer opera as it keeps the original page as it should be. The only other thing is it would be nice for it to look good. Isn't there any third party apps for the T9 input?
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
This may be a surprise piece of information to you. iPhone's email will display word, excel and powerpoint far far better than microsoft's own mail. Go figure it out because I can't.

Some remark on the keyboard. When I first played with iPhone, I hated the keyboard, thinking that I needed high precision in order to type the words correctly. As I turned out, I was wrong. Unlike most keyboards on winmo platform, it actually does not matter whether you hit the exact key or the neighbouring keys. The iPhone keyboard is intelligent to still give you the right word.
[Touch HD General] evildead4eva:
Hmm,.... interesting..

does wintersun run jerkily?

I havent seen it in action before.... I'm curious to see how smooth it is...

I want something i can say "look at this" and not have people go "that dont run too well"