[Touch HD General] mib1800:
I just tried the s2v. It is not that bad if you like the kinetic scrolling. It has the same spartan offering like Iphone Album :)

Personally for me, I hate kinetic scrolling. It looks nice but really not practical and a distracting eye-candy. Prefer the page-up-down anytime. Call me old school. Same with the drop-down menu which imo, is much more logical (easier on the brain/eyes ;) ) than the button-based command of Iphone which is good when you have few options (which btw befits most of Iphone apps ;) ) but can be very tricky with more "functional" apps. It will be the same nightmare when finding command options in like in MSOffice 2007.

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I think this is a myth. I think you are just distracted by the eye-candy. I remember seeing countless of calculator apps which are mostly crap in capability until I see HiCalc (WM app ported to Iphone) and this one just kills the rest. So the main question is do you want to buy 20 good apps that do something or just one good integrated app that does the same?

I am not saying small apps are not good or categorically saying all Iphone apps are crap. I think a lot of the good apps on Iphone are being ported from the more established platforms.

We know the IphoneOS supports some sort of multi-task but the main question is how extensive. Is it like Palm-type multi-task or WM/Symbian multi-task which is world of difference in the guts. Many non-smartphone also supports phone/java/music playing in the background via a dedicated chip/cpu. Nothing special here.

Yeah. Agree with you here. I think we know the reasons for this. WM is pretty bloated and this coupled with about 20 processes that are started when HD boots up. I think if Iphone allows background processes, then it will be pretty unusable compared to WM. Put a plain WM into HD hardware (without TF3D) and see how it goes.

In this respect, I think S60 does much better than WM/Iphone. My N82 just refuses to slow down no matter how many apps I opened simultaneously.

I think in the very near future this will equalise. Once S60/WM/RIM/Android app stores are up, some of those great apps in AppStore now will be ported over. AppStore took everyone by surprise with its one stop cheap software. Most of WM/Symbian users now have heard of AppStore and long for one for their platform. So if similar setup is available and the fact that there are a few hundred million more WM/S60 phones out there than Iphone, I would be very surprise that developers will not flock there. Nokia is even doing a direct operator billing which will make buying software much easier (like downloading ringtones). I bet at this moment a lot of developers are preparing their products for the S60/WM online store.

I wont be surprise some Iphone developers may shift their attention to the new stores to make a killing in the beginning (i.e. early bird catches the worm). I think with 30K apps in Iphone AppStore now the picking can be very slim (or next to nothing) for many Iphone developers.

I am still receiving firmware updates (not just bug-fixes but additional functionality) for my N82 which I bought 2 years ago. ;) You are right that HTC seems quite miserly compared to others.

Yep if it is that much difference in price, then Iphone is better investment in your case. But in my case, both phones are about the same price on contract or SIM-free, so to me it is more prudent to choose HD. But then again not sure whether price factor is a justification to evaluate merit of a phone. If it were, then the Nokia 5800 will just squash both HD/Iphone.

I dont agree with you here. You are confusing the issues. For typical users, TF3D is pretty complete. I think it is a much better (albeit a color-less one) one-stop shell than Iphone springboard. Those who change ROMs are those who wanted to tweaks the phone just like those that can't help but jailbreak the Iphone.

Just comparing out-of-box functionality, it is quite clear it is still very much in HD favors. Yeah, Iphone may have a stop-watch :p but it does not have voice command, full BT support incl tethering, fm radio, office apps, Java, video/voice recorder, MMS ;) , WindowsLive etc etc and last but not least in certain countries bundled voice navigation in the HD.

btw: I have not encountered the music skip as reported. And I dont think we need to tweak the video player to play what Iphone can. Well, Itunes does the tweaking automatically for Iphone, isnt it? The difference with Iphone is "tweaking" is must whereas on the other platform due to better multi-codecs support you may be able to load video/music directly to your phone via usb drive or by any means. And there is no need to adulterate every PC with Itunes :p .

I think you should not use bugs as a justification that the function is as good as not there. Do you still remember the laggy sms bug of Iphone? Can we then say Iphone don't have a SMS app (and dont forget the very red-faced omission of sms forward and copy-paste :p ). If I remember correctly, HTC did provide for free upgrade from WM5 to 6 for some of its devices.

I think you are quite mesmerised by the eye-candy Iphone UI which I think figures very prominently in your liking of Iphone. I feel more at home with the familiar and time-tested traditional UI and not so taken in by this so-called "new fantastic head-spinning (literally :lol ) follow-your-finger-always-in-motion UI" of the Iphone. Once this UI factor is taken out of the equation, then what's left is just a rather mediocre below average run-of-the-mill phone.