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[Touch HD General] brucewilsonpa:
Perhaps to "stir the broth" a bit more..... I've been awaiting the Touch HD like so many others but I now have the Advantage x7510 with its fantastic 5" screen. Of course it's bigger and heavier so we can'r "really" compare it can we? But if screen size is the primary consideration, this device has a lot to offer. I carry it in my shirt pocket w/o much difficulty and have RealVGA installed so the screen real estate is fully utilized. Great for internet surfing or watchin YouTubes/other video.... and since I've never been particularly unhappy with WM, this is a darn good alternative. BTW -- had 2 iphones and used them for several months. Great GUI but too many limitations -- if you're primarily interested in multimedia that's the way to go -- but for variety, and customizability... no way!
[Touch HD General] donzx6:
To take a step back for a mo....

I currently have a Kaiser which I'm thinking of upgrading. For me the benefits would be as follows:

1) Superb screen, not just VGA but WVGA

2) 3.5 mm Stereo output jack - the curse of HTC is now fixed. Also the FM radio, but not as important.

3) Big RAM

4) Better video drivers (the Kaiser's are pants)

5) No keyboard or other fiddly buttons. Have had a Wizard, Hermes and Kaiser - only useful thing I found was the jog wheel on the latter 2 and am sick of thick (as in chunky) devices. Would like something slimmer.

I did consider the iPhone, but have heard bad things about the 3g reception, can't edit MS documents, no Windows live etc.

So for me there are several reasons to consider upgrading, and so far Touch HD seems the best option. It is more than just a screen, but I'm coming from QVGA so more to gain I guess.
[Touch HD General] fallenczar:
1) TV-OUT

though not essential, TV-OUT is a Huge added advantage.

apart from the obvious use of playing back movies, it can be used for all sorts of things, browsing the internet, watching a slide show, sharing the videos that you took with your family, making a presentation, playing games.

2)Missing Random Features :

The so called "Random Features" are features that HTC touts as "Premium Features" on other Handsets.

The Point here is that this is HTC's Top of the Line Phone,it should not have lacked these cheap, easy to implement features.

3)Scrolling Left-Right vs Scrolling Up-Down.

For the love of my life i can not understand what you are going about here.

I Own an iPhone and use it as my primary phone.

Contacts, Messeages, Itunes, Weather, Stocks, App/Itunes-store, Youtube, Notes .....

all require me to scroll up and down.

the only time i scroll right-left is when i want to view photos, or use coverflow in itunes.

4)Useless Blabber

Someone made a very interesting point earlier,the core beneath this pretty facade of touch-flo, is still dependent of a stylus / touchpad / keypad. and since winmo 7 has been delayed till 2010 there will be little / no improvement in useability of the device

Again, as some one pointed out, how many application are there in WinMo that do use the Accelerometer ??? The Point Here Being that software developers will always develop for the "Minimum Specs"

Having Owned a VGA WinMo device for more than 3 years now (I Own an Universal) i can tell you this, Apart from few astraware and pdamill tittle, i have not come across any Native VGA Games. Point Here Being that a device is only as good as the software it runs.

As Far as emulating iPhone goes, when you are able to "Emulate" iphone 5-6 hour h264 video playback , Call Me
[Touch HD General] juiceppc:
IMHO any WinMo phone running version 6.1 or older needs a dpad or optical mouse thingy. To note the Diamond and Pro have horrible dpads almost unusable IMHO.

Otherwise besides the lack of U.S. 3G this phone is perfect for me. I'm into the big screen. Wouldn't need TV out because I'll be fine watching any video on that big screen anyway. Don't forget WinMo supports playing .swf files. Think of the flash movies you can make and use on the big screen. That's one big let down for me with the iPhone. No stand alone .swf player.

Just for the uninformed FLASH has MANY more uses than just video/Youtube. Interactive movies/games/menus.
[Touch HD General] Ruudfood:
There is no phone out there that can do everything.

The iPhone is all hype and a triumph of form over function.

Multitasking? Hello Mr iPhone! Can I run your GPS and send an email at the same time? Ermm...no! You're kidding me right?

Cut and paste? Mr iPhone? Hello?!

Camera? Can I autofocus this 2MP camera Apple? (You don't mind if I call you Apple do you?)

People talk about multitouch as something fantastic but you can't do multitouch with 1 hand unless you got some really funny fingers. "OOOh, let me pinch to zoom in on this picture. Oh hold on, I've holding something else. Just gimme a sec while I put it down!"

As for the lack of TV out...well, I have this feature on my Nokia N95 and I've probably used it a grand total of twice in 18 months. Granted, my N95 may not be great at playing movies, but if I'm on holiday I'm not going to be spending my time watching movies. And if I'm away for work I've got my laptop. Don't know how anyone can argue about the TV out thing but it seems to be a biggie for every man and his dog.

I also wish people would stop asking about GPS lag, video performance, TV out and network availability and read the damn threads instead!
[Touch HD General] arifhanid:
This phone has limitations just as any other handset, iphone, X1, etc..

It's not the Holy Grail of handsets and to be honest there's no device out there that can claim this title.

Also we keep touting this handset as HTC's flagship product - I don't believe that's the case. As as I know HTC haven't claimed it and as far as the cost of the unit is concerned it's price range is near the same as other high-end handsets, such as the Touch Pro and X1.

I see the Touch HD as a handset that is geared for those users who deem multimedia as one of their primary requirements (similar I suppose to requirements of iPhone users)

As long as you stick to the touch interface the device will meet most users needs. Beyond that is questionable and I believe will come down to individual needs.

Also some early review of the Touch HD are very positive of the device:

http://translate.google.com/transla...ouch_HD/teil_I.php&sl=de&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

http://translate.google.com/transla...c.fr/2008/09/17/exclu-review-du-htc-touch-hd/

The delay of Windows Mobile 7 is disappointing but there is every likelihood that there will be a version 6.5 in the near future.

The evolution of Windows Mobile is towards a greater touch experience which will certainly benefit the HD.

Not to mention the possible porting over of Android.

I've currently got myself the G1 handset - it's good but has it's limitations and I'm seriously considering trading it for the HD.
[Touch HD General] manuelcalavera:
lets finish iphone-talk cuz its not an important device ;-)

but let me say something, iphone got multitouch screen ? oh its stupid to use TWO hands on just 3.5" space ! :D
[Touch HD General] pistonripper:
I have both the Diamond and iphone 3G.

Me personally I have hardly ever used the dpad on the Diamond...only for Total Commander..and that very rarely. The Diamond is an excellent allround phone....the only reason I am going to upgrade to a HD, is for the screen...Browsing the internet on a 2.8 screen can get tedious (it does not matter how good the browser is).

The iphone does what it does well (love the calendar), you have to appreciate the OS and touch works well.

I know we can go into the shortcoming of it etc...but iphone customers have accepted the for what it is...and the user experience is good.

Hats off to HTC for really pushing out these phones. The problem is they need a Touch OS...WinMo6.1 is pants and really lets these phones down, you have to at some point pull out the stylus, thats just not on when you have 3.8 inch of real estate!

I've have not used a HD yet, but I'm hoping the touch will be better, until there is no need for a stylus at all, I don't think we are going to have the ultimate touch experience.

Just my two pence worth.
[Touch HD General] nu_D:
LOL

Wow. I never expected such a response!

I just skimmed through the posts that were in response to me, I honestly cannot be bothered to read it all.

I did see a few things that caught my eye though:

1. I am a first year Medical School student, so I don't technically work. I have been to Asia, Europe, Africa, South America, and I have went to all the hot spots stateside. So I really don't know what the "hehehehe" is about. Back to my point, when I am on vacation, I am out. I am 22 so I have a lot of energy. The nightlife is where I am at. I don't have time to play games on my phone, I will leave that for my brothers and sisters. And watch movies on TV? I can do that at home. ;) The hotel for me is a place to sleep at the end of the night (early morning) and a place to take a shower. My hotel room isn't a place where I take out my phone to watch movies. To each his own.

2. Seems like people have televisions everywhere. It's almost as if there are random LCDs everywhere you go to connect your phone to. "Hey! Look! A component input! Let's connect our phones!" Very useful indeed. I must have missed the memo. My apologies.

3. I guess buying a 3.8 TOUCH screen and wanting a d-pad is a legitimate need. Makes complete sense. "Ya, I bought this 3.8in touch screen phone, but I don't use it. I just use the D-pad."

4. I never said the GPS wouldn't be good, I just said it might not be flawless. And by the way buddy, no GPS device is either.

5. I still don't know why I would use WM, unless again, for those every once in a while tasks. I browse the internet, make calls, send messages, play music, maybe watch a movie every once in a while, and that's about it. TouchFlo3D can handle all of those.

6. It's not the holy grail but again, it's not a POS either. It has a "weird lens box" and now it's some garbage phone.

I could have about 101 points, but man, this is long already and time is something I wish I had more of.

Good luck with your iPhones, why you are in this section of the forums is beyond me, but that's cool I guess. Enjoy.

That will be it for me. I am not going to continue with this inane posturing.

Oh, some guy told me to call him? I am sorry, but I don't roll that way man. Might want to check out the other guy who was replying to my posts- something tells me he might be interested. ;)
[Touch HD General] stesa:
just can't understand why all these iphone fanboys are in this 3ad ,

or , maybe , I can :D
[Touch HD General] fallenczar:
since you obviously don't mind hijacking the thread ... i'll humor you

People tend to forget that when the iphone is mentioned on this site

If anything, its exactly the otherway round, iPhone is a triumph of function and form over over-hyped specs.

After all, how many software are there to 'Emulate' iPhones function.

Yes, there is no multitasking in iphone, wait ... how the F*** can i listen to music while replying to an email. Must have been some sort of divine intervention.

No cut/copy/paste...just got one word for you, Magicpad, and to rephrase you a bit "I have this feature on my HTC Universal and I've probably used it a grand total of twice in 18 months"

"Ma, Look i got a 5MP autofocus camera"

"Well, the photo is as s***** as always"

"But i took it from a 5MP Autofocus camera".

I totally agree, Multitouch is really bad, thats why WinMo7 is so not going to support it.

i know, the iphone does this to a lot of people, but you really need to take that other hand out of your pants.

doofus (i hope you don't mind me calling you that) you still dont get it do ya??

here is a qoute from HTC's website

"Enjoy music videos, films and streaming like you never thought possible on a mobile device. Experience internet browsing so exhilarating... it feels like you never left your laptop at home. It’s all delivered to you on a pixel-packed 3.8” WVGA screen and seamlessly tied together with touch-responsive TouchFLOTM 3D."

let me spell it out for you..

ITS SUPPOSED TO BE THE PREMIER MULTIMEDIA DEVICE OUT THERE,

and yet it does not have TV-OUT.

(Hint:search for PMP's online and try to find a pmp without TV out)
[Touch HD General] fallenczar:
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[Touch HD General] exe:
Anyway you look at it folks, competition is good, and I'm glad the iPhone is around. WM with the required stylus is too long in the tooth, and I'm sure the iPhone is putting pressure to rethink what WM can grow to become.

It's kinda of like AMD and Intel, I never bough an AMD product, but I sure am glad they are around, it keeps Intel on their toes.

There are so many models of WM devices out there, you just have to narrow down what you can live with, same with the iPhone or G1. Back to the main topic, not everyone here is saying it's the 'best phone ever'. But it's pretty up there as far as a WM phone/pda is concerned. HTC has a habit of releasing more than one device a year, I can only imagine what is missing on HD will appear in the next device in 6 month lol.
[Touch HD General] buggybug0:
iPhone's OS kernel supports multitasking, but apple locked it only for their own (and specially approved, ie. not any app on appstore) applications. but to end users, it's still a simply not full multitasking from our point of view.

no need to be angry and use that word here. you are a senior member here, set an example

+++++++++++++

back on topic, this post had me rethink, very intersting thread. it's one of the top phones so far, emphasize on "one of" and "SO FAR", but i wouldn't give it the title best phone ever. or even best phone so far. the best is subjective. someone who like a good looking phone with strong music capabilities and good integration would think iphone is the best phoen so far. some one who likes the windowmobile and giant screen and what not, will think HD is the best phone so far.

personally, i believe it is the best phone so far for ME. it's got three of the most important features for me. ability to install GPS applications (real ones = voice + non data), installation of native skype application (not Fring, which still has some bugs, on WM or iphone). and a good platform for video (video chip + screen + video player support + whatever that's video related).
[Touch HD General] Ruudfood:
Plenty. And what?

That's the only multitasking that you can do, but does that make it a multitasking phone? I think you'll find the answer is no.

So what you're saying is that a 5MP camera with autofocus and a flash is not better than a 2MP camera with neither? Yeah, well that makes sense!

So what you're saying is that because multitouch will be supported in WinMo7 that makes it great? I disagree and my point is that people do put their hands in their pants of this feature when it's really nothing to write home about.

Are you an Indian in New Delhi? If so thank you for introducing me to something entirely new - an abusive Indian. There may be more like you but you're the first I've come across, on the net or the real world.

Back to your last point. The whole point of the big screen is that you watch your movies on it, not plug it into something else. I think that's what HTC are trying to get across with their marketing blurb - even a doofus like me can work that one out!
[Touch HD General] fallenczar:
i agree, i went overboard, and i apologize for it.

Seeing people spew misinformed lies (not just limited in context to the iphone, but in general) gets me worked up.

Since the phone only has limited availability yet, it would be premature to label it as "The Best" or as a "failure".

Since to my knowledge, this is the first WM phone without a D-Pad, it would be interesting to see how things pan out.

Again, i would like to emphasize, that HTC is Marketing this thing as an "Entertainment" / "Multimedia Device" and this should be the criteria which is used to judge/rate this phone.
[Touch HD General] Acelister:
So the basics are; If it's what you need - it's the best phone ever (read 'so far'). If it's not what you need - it's cool to see a nice big screen.

The fragile nature of the Diamond put me off of getting that, along with the lack of a memory card slot. But this is everything the Diamond is, and a little more. That makes it the phone I want. My "best phone ever". XD
[Touch HD General] fallenczar:
a)"Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery"

b)Read buggybug0 comment

c)HTC's camera are always crap.

as for fixed focus 2mp vs 5mp auto focus debate, if you want i could point you to some post where the "Megapixel" myth has been busted

d)multitouch is the way forward, heck even M$ realises that.

e)So you can call me whatever you want to, but if i call you doofus, who, by the way, is a much loved character from Ducktales, it becomes offending.

f)Having Owned an iPhone, And a Uni (both with big screens), i can tell you this, to comfortably watch video for more than half an hour you need at least a 4.5" screen.

Since you seem reluctant to accept that TV-Out is a Important feature i will ask you to have a look at HTC's Touch Pro Site here http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=49518

as you can see, TV-Out is in fact being pimped as an important feature.

and if you were to actually google PMP aka Personal Media Players (which is what the Touch HD is going After) you will find there are No PMPs without a Tv-Out, but then maybe they all got it wrong
[Touch HD General] orb3000:
I am agree with you mate, and so far being the best or not, it´s just another new device, from the thousands we have seen or will see.

Personally I think it´s good to have some device with that specs to compete with others form it´s class. The more competence the best devices we will have in our hands

That´s just my opinion

Cheers,
[Touch HD General] here4info:
got me thinking

WOW! a great thread! and so many responses in just a couple of hours.

First of all I have had a HTC Wizard for last 3 yrs (used Tmobile wing for a little time before getting rid of it) and currently have manilla 2D on it. I got an iphone (jailbroken) for my wife, and use it a lot myself, mostly for web browsing, youtube and ipod feature.

I have been eagerly waiting for this phone. The form factor, size, style are all great. It has 2 very important features missing FOR ME.

1. 3G bands for Tmobile USA

2. UMA for wifi calling on Tmobile USA.

I would have also liked a thin keyboard (haven't seen it on any phones currently). Certainly despise thick keyboards to the point of not wanting then atall. I am sure a thin slide out keyboard is possible in these designs. I dislike touch pro just because of the the thickness it adds to the phone due to its keyboard (and the larger battery).

If it had those features, it would have been the perfect phone I could think of today. I know the Wimax capabilities of T8290, but that doesn't entice me too much at the moment.

Some other minor features that I care about and are missing are:

1. D-pad; they could have at least included a small blackberry curve (or G1) style trackball;

2. TV-out is definitely useful when i am at friends place and just want to share the photo/video etc with the gathered group there.

3. i like the zoom ability on iphone which can be handled by 2 fingers; i hope touch HD has it.

4. I would have preferred the regular mini USB over the HTC ExtUSB, so I could use any of the regular mini USB cable lying around rather than the specific one that comes with the phone. Maybe it does work with mini USB cables (atleast for charging)!

One feature that no one is talking about is the ambiance sensor. I like to check the web for sports scores/stocks after I have gone to bed and my wife doesn't like the bright light of the iphone when i am browsing; i have to manually adjust the brightness every time. If HD is able to handle it automatically it will be a big plus for me.

Of course, nothing needs to be said about the screen size and rez.

Business card scanning feature is good, but I personally will care more for the G1 UPC bar code scanning price searching feature.

But despite these missing features, I am going to buy touch HD. I was going to get the touch diamond before I heard about HD and have been waiting all along for it.

I am not a WM fan, but so far like it better than other options out there. In my opinion WM in itself is a piece of crap, but loads of apps out there and communities like xda-developers make it the most hackable, customizable option for smartphones and PDA phones. I am able to give a new look to my wizard every 2 months or so, using all the ROMs available on this site. I won't bash iphone either because it has it's own merits that other phones (or OS) don't. And in the end it doesn't matter to me whether HTC copied a feature from iphone or Apple did the reverse. What matters to me is what I am getting on my phone. Not a fanboy of anything, just judging every gadget by its own merits/demerits.
[Touch HD General] buggybug0:
not a afraid to apologize, you are the man! you have my respect! And I totally get you when you said ppl talking random stuff gets you worked up, happens to me all the time :D

I missed this piont from before, now that you mentioned it, I totally agree. if apple advertise their ipod/itouch line as "the funnest" ever, it is actually true, because they live up to that. so people who buy that ignore the fact it can't multitask or can't c&p, and what not. so if HTC wants to advertise this as an entertainment device, it should live up to that name and back it up.

final point about the TV-out. i would looove to see it on touch HD. i probably won't use it much, when when i do need it, it will be very very convenient. If touch pro has it, and touch pro is marketed as a Pro-sumer device for corporate users, it doen't make sense to take it away from an entertainment device such as touch HD.
[Touch HD General] gogol:
See? That's you.

It is your choice and preference of holiday (several days only a year, right?).

But others might be different. So, please respect others opinion.

You have reasons why you dont need TV-Out.

However, we also have reasons why we think it is a good feature.

Oh no! That means TV-Out is NOT a good feature for you, because then you will hook it up to some random TVs ... LOL.

Again, nobody will act like you.

Please, dont be so naive.

Your saying about not using the touch screen is just plain stupid.

Obviously, you have your own simple needs with WM.

Everybody is different ... if you dont know.

Amen ...

Errr ... I dont have an iPhone ... I dont use Mac ... I dont have any other Apple product ... I dont like them all!
[Touch HD General] dupersuper:
i agree with u. the first thing iphone killers should be doing is use a more sensitive capacitive touchscreen.

i was totally disappointed using my friends omnia coming from a iphone.

flick scrolling was bad, constantly activating programs accidentaly.

they have to realise some program compatibility (really old programs with tiny menu on the bottom designed for stylus) have to be sacrifised.
[Touch HD General] cayotte:
Wow.... I think HTC HD is simply the top 3.8" display bestphoneever!!!
[Touch HD General] manuelcalavera:
yup, Omnia was dissapointing . you know, samsung advertised Omnia like a REAL iphone killer , but it was another WinMo device beneath !

till we have WinMo based on V5 , we cant have a responsive screen like iphone .

but, a big BUT in here, when we have such huge display with the name of "HD" its very bad to put every single performing hardware exactly just like Diamond ! this is not fair too .

nowadays, all around the world, word "HD" reminds latest and best technology, but what we have in here? Diamond+3.8" display ? ( dont tell me theres so much different between 3.2 MP and 5 MP cammera for WinMo users ! )

yoohoo? Mr HTC ? atleast Pick another name for it ! not HD!

i was the begginer of this talk, but i have to tell again, I love this phone and thats why im angry about whats happenning ! because we care what we hold in our hand ...