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[Touch HD General] nu_D:
Never heard of it- let's see their website.

hmm.

This is my initial impression, so take it with a grain of salt- it can't hold a candle to T9.

You notice they are using it on a QWERTY keypad which once again maximizes the distance you have to travel.

I think actually pressing on the keys is going to be a lot of faster than sliding my finger around. I don't know for sure, again this is my first impression, but something tells me after a certain threshold I am going to be slipping and sliding all over the place. Basically, I think this particular method has a lower maximum typing speed than T9. I am sure through time and practice you could raise that maximum speed, but I highly doubt it will be able to match T9 or be as easily done.

It's funny that such a thing was invented for QWERTY, and in reality, it's a great idea. I think this might actually be faster than typing up the characters on the keypad, that is on a QWERTY keypad. So if you're using QWERTY, I would probably give this a serious go. But from my standpoint, a longtime T9 user, there is just no comparison man.

I still remember back in the 8th grade I needed to send a message so I borrowed a girls phone and started typing- I couldn't figure out WTF was wrong with her phone. At that point she taught me how to use T9. You just press the keys that hold the letters you want, for instance if you wanted to type "HI" you would just press the number 4 two times. Sometimes there is more than one possibility for a particular combination and that's when you press the "next" button and it gives you the next word. Done. Oh, and every once in a while you are going to have to enter in a word it doesn't recognize, such as some names or your run of the mill cuss word, but they are saved and you never have to type them up in the standard method again.

I don't know. I want to think I am missing something with QWERTY but one of my boys has a Blackberry and he sends out a lot of messages man. I got into an argument with him once and we setup a test to see which method was faster, let's just say I blew him out of the water. Again, it's a simple matter of physics. If you think about it, it makes perfect sense.

Anyway. G'luk.

And don't worry about Steve, he can handle us all! :p

(I just wish he would give us a tad more freedom :()
[Touch HD General] fallenczar:
If you think you will run out battery, then why don't you look into these external battery products??

http://67.153.240.68/iv.php
http://www.imaxpower.com/

as far as T9 on a touch-screen device is concerned, my experience with WINMO tells me its really bad.
[Touch HD General] antrak:
Woops! Nevermind this reply! Missed something! x.x
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
The external battery product is not going to work. I just can't have time to charge up the device on the golf course. It should be a 10 second operation of slippoing in a new battery, and that's it.

As for your T9 experience, I would have no doubt that not everyone likes it, but at the same time, many would like it. It is best if the users are given the option to choose what's best for them rather than being forced on them. Keyboard is too personal a choice to be made by others.
[Touch HD General] Boinng:
The external battery products (that i've seen) don't charge the device, they simply power it directly. When they run flat, the internal battery takes over. It's exactly like taking a spare along, except the spare's already attached to the phone and you don't have to change it over yourself.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
They are completely different. It should be obvious. How do you expect me to carry an iPHone with this ugly hugh box dangling out of the connecting wire with one hand, and use iPHone with the same hand, while the other hand pushes the golf buggy? When I put the iPhone back to my pocket, where do I hang the charger? How do I make a golf swing with all these hanging out of my pocket? It is a non-starter.

With iPhone, there can only be one option, which is to replace the standard battery with one which double or tripple the battery life.
[Touch HD General] Super Chimp:
All I will say is I still regard at this time S60 as being the best smartphone OS going. OS X is OK but is too feeble in too many areas for my liking.

WM I regard as the most problematic of the smartphone OS but more because it needs some hefty updating than it's lack of potential & flexibility, hence why I still haven't rushed towards any WM device yet.

Android is unknown quantity to me.
[Touch HD General] shortcut3d:
I'm an s60 fanboy, but I find Nokia does what Nokia wants, not what the market demands. Nokia tries to drive the market in their direction. Sometimes it works ala N95, but other times they fall short ie Tube. I would love to have the Touch HD running s60.

This is my return to WM, so I badly want it to be positive.

WM -> N75 -> N95s -> iPhone 3G -> Touch HD
[Touch HD General] Boinng:
Earlier in this same thread I pointed you towards the latest "incase" product - a powered case for your iPhone with a battery built in. There's no wires, no box (huge, ugly or otherwise), nothing dangling anywhere, just your iPhone in a protective case, and double the battery life. The only trade-off is a few millimetres added to the back of an already slim phone.

It's not even the only such product - all the external batteries I've seen simply slot onto to the back of the phone - the wires, charger and dangling box are in your imagination only.

I asked you before - how on earth is something like the Incase battery any less practical than carrying a separate spare around the golf course and having to swap batteries over half way through the game?
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
First, whatever is the solution, I would like to make sure it can still fit into my pocket, hence my change from Athena to HD. Will the solution that you mention allow that? Please give me the link to these product to look at. If it does not have wire connection to pieces of equipements, it might be doable.

Next, I need to correct a few points that you have made.

One, a phone with swappable battary has the same weight and dimension after each swap, not becoming any bulkier. Having said that, I might be able to tolerate extra bulk if all other advantages are strong enough to offest this disadvantage.

Two, I currently do not swap battery on the golf course, because the battery of winmo devices is able to last long enough while GPS is running, unlike iPhone which is unable to do that. My battery level at the end of a game depends on whether I am also using MP3 full blast, doing internet to check share price for my friends, taking call, etc. In the best case scenario, I can have 80 percent battery left, and in the worst case scenario about 15%, in which case I would swap in the battery at the end of the game. While I keep my spare battery on the golf side pocket (not carrying it with me, which is another difference from the iPhone's solution), so far I had never had to swap it on the course even once in the last 2 years.

Hope you see how different the two devices are in the battery life area.

If Steve Job is reading this post, I hope he sees how dumb his design idea is when come to battery.
[Touch HD General] Ineedtoys:
Got to be SplashID, nothing else comes near. The beauty being that it exists on all other mobile platforms, so you can transfer your data without any re-typing when you switch devices. If that fails, you can do text import/export too. Avoid any wallet program that lacks decent import, export routines - you never know what you'll be running in a couple of years' time!
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Is this a software that runs on winmo or iphone?

I'm using a product that can import and export but never use that functionality for fear that the developers might somehow build a trojan into the software to get the info without my permission. So, I let it stay on my device only, and pray that nothing in there could upload the file to the developer during internet connection. I never want such information to be duplicated on my PC.
[Touch HD General] Ineedtoys:
On iPhone and WM, and Blackberry, PalmOS and Symbian. Splashdata have a long and trusted history - I've used SplashID since the first PalmOS version appeared many years ago, and transfer between devices has been seamless every since. I average over 600 records in the database and there's no way I'm going to attempt to type that lot in manually. Neither would I want to keep the info "on my device only" - by its very nature the info I keep on there is far too important not to have an (encrypted) backup. The desktop client makes housekeeping much easier too.

You concern over security is valid though - even though SplashID has the ability to email export files by email (handy for sending it home or back to the office) I never use it and only backup locally to my PC. I don't want multiple copies of my files hanging around on other peoples mail servers, no matter how strong the encryption and password might be.
[Touch HD General] Super Chimp:
I suspect that's why the Symbian foundation has been set up, though Nokia obviously has a big interest in it, it's designed to encourage more widespread use and input into the Symbian OS.
[Touch HD General] BenGmuN:
Remote Control

LogMeIn for Windows Mobile works a treat! Can squeeze my 1368 * 768 PC screen onto the display on my THD and because the screen is so precise, it remains quite usable! The WM keyboard doesn't seem to work for some reason while it's running, but you can launch Windows XP/Vista's on-screen keyboard and use that instead! Brilliant.
[Touch HD General] kevwright:
Guess who is back guys :-))))

Kev
[Touch HD General] arifhanid:
Back from where ? :confused:
[Touch HD General] SiliconS:
Let sleeping threads lie :p
[Touch HD General] garyjmobey:
http://xdaforums.com/archive/index.php/t-444641.html

might help, I've yet to try it out on my THD
[Touch HD General] donzx6:
So what swung it for ya?
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Back from where/What to where/what?
[Touch HD General] kevwright:
TomTom :-)

Kev
[Touch HD General] kevwright:
Oh Steve, I am hurt you forgot me already :-)

I am back from the iPhone, and have my 2nd Touch HD :-)

Kev
[Touch HD General] markqld:
I have both iPhone & HD too.

The iphone screen is so much better in the touch interface department. Because it's capacitive you only have to press very lightly BUT scrolling through menus the iPhone craps on the HD. It is quicker, with less mistakes and if you're whizzing through a menu and tap the screen (on iphon)it hits the brakes and stops. How many false selections have you had w the HD? It happens All the time on HD but rarely if ever on an iPhone. I can't really tell you in words how much better the iPhone interface is, you have to try one to believe it.

The other biggie is the browser. Safari poos all over Opera. Once again you have to try it to believe it. It's heaps quicker and easier to navigate. but the biggest difference is inputting text in Opera is a nightmare (I can't actually See what Icm writing right now) but a joy in Safari.

Stop being so parochial HD owners. Yes it does the things you wish the iPhone could but can't, but it has a long way to go to 'touch' the iPhone in most practical areas.
[Touch HD General] viczena:
sorry, i also owned an iphone (which i selled in favor for the hd).

the opera browser is much better than safari. it is faster, you see much more of the page, you can use the stick (when you have to browse through different pages before you get to the one you want: no need to always zoom every page to click the next link). opera has no limitiations on the number of used tabs. 8 tabs in safari are very limited and are used up very quickly.

you have cut&paste in opera and it safes the passwords you use. in safari you always have to make every and all input manually by keyboard, everytime again and again when you visit your favorite pages (ebay...). very annoying. and sometimes safari even ignores cookies, so the page des not work at all.

and safari does not show any page using flash, which are mostly the sites of hotel accomodations and so on..

text input in safari works, but opera is faster. especially when you use the full keyboard with t9 (or the old windows style). you can customize the autocorrection to your personal preferences. no need to switch keyboard just to input some numbers.

and i always see what i am writing in opera. the iphone instead loves to change my input with autocorrection (no possibility to switch it of), so when i am not fast enough, it changes ebay.de to ebay.es. every time. which leads to an error, back again, new input, no real possibility to navigate within the text (just a poor magnifiying glass and the backwd option)...

so opera poos clearly over the wannabee safari.

and concerning the capacitive keyboard: useless with gloves on (wintertime), you cannot use a stick. the multitouch feature is nice, but the click-on zoom of opera is more precise and faster.

sure: the iphone screen is faster and smoother when it comes to scrolling, but the hd screen has 4 times more resolution. and the hd is not limited to 1 job at a time. while i surf, my tomtom still navigates.

so i get results much faster with the hd than with the iphone.
[Touch HD General] rovex:
Indeed the iPhone screen is too sensitive for me and although i like the hard glass front, i prefer the ability to use a stylus. Multi touch is pretty useless in the real world as well since it reduces the iPhones ability to be used with one hand, which i can do with the HD.

I dont have the text input issue with opera, well maybe on occasion, but not often, and not on this site, so im not sure what problem you have markqld.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Kev,

LOL. Of course I remember you.

Actually I went and got myself an iPod Touch in addition to the HD. Have used Safari quite a bit to get a sense of the difference. The music listening experience is very nice, but it's a real pain transferring files and musics.

I must say that I'm glad to have chosen HD over iPhone too.
[Touch HD General] kevwright:
Just like last time I am really desperate to like (and keep) the HD, as I love TomTom, reallly like things like Slingplayer, and the today screen appointments.

But I still think the iPhone touch elements piss all over the HD.

Kev
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
No argument with the touch element of iPhone. I love it too.

I just tried out the youtube of both ipod touch and HD, and HD clearly performs more smoothly and predictably although ipod touch looks prettier.

Tom Tom is certainly a clear reason for choosing HD. Office applications, battery design are the other big reasons for me.
[Touch HD General] tboy2000:
A few posts up was the issue of using gloves on the iphone. We all know you can't use gloves on the iphone. A funny thing happened to me the other day. I was wearing leather gloves and was showing my friend how I could use my HD screen while wearing gloves and how it was impossible to use the iphone. I then took his iphone and proceeded to demonstrate this point. In utter shock and amazement, the iphone was WORKING with my gloved hands. My jaw just dropped and my mates burst out laughing at my open mouthed look. No joke. I could scroll the UI and tap on icons. I did have to apply slightly more pressure but none the less it WORKED. How can this be? Maybe its the matarial of the gloves that is important. My other mate there had woolly gloves. He tried on his iphone and nothing worked. The guy I took the phone from tried with his gloved hands (leather also) and it worked too. Maybe its because leather is a natural material/skin which makes it work. Maybe its the quality of the leather. Mine are £45 gloves so the leather is good and soft. Maybe it depends on how warm the leather is.

iPhone users are so conditioned to knowing they cant use gloves on their screen that they automatically take them off to use their phone - without actually trying.

Can any iphone users reading this who own leather gloves try it and confirm if this works or do I just have magic gloves? :)
[Touch HD General] Riceburner:
I'd imagine that the leather was warm enough - that's how a capacitive screen works - on sensing heat.

Laptop touch screens work in exactly the same way (afaik) which is why you can often get the mouse jumping around if you have your second finger too close to the screen (and warm hands!). The heat sensor can "see" more than one heat signature so tries to follow both.
[Touch HD General] SiliconS:
You sure about that? http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/ipod-touch2.htm
[Touch HD General] tboy2000:
Well I don't believe that in the above link the answer to how the iphone's screen works is right? If what it says in the link is true, then how could i get the phone to work whilst using leather gloves? The leather is a barrier between my skin and the screen so the screen can't read the miniscule electricity in my skin. It is either heat, or maybe even a subtle moisture in the leather. How on earth is this all possible? It goes beyond facts that gloves and iphone do not go hand in hand.

Can someone please try this themselves on an iphone and leather gloves so I know I am not the only one succeeding.

:)
[Touch HD General] viczena:
maybe your glothes were wet. then the tip gets mushy and soft, so the touch hd screen does not respond. and the water together with the salt in the leather makes the tip conductible, so the capacitive screen gets a signal.
[Touch HD General] Moandal:
Fact: The Touch HD makes the iphone look like a slice of bread.

There - I just thought I'd add some high-level intellectual discussion to this thread.
[Touch HD General] tboy2000:
UPDATE: Ok I think I discovered why my leather gloves worked on the iphone screen. My gloves are made of thin leather and are silk lined. It is becuase my gloves are thin that the screen can pick up my electrical signals in my skin. To prove this you can also lay a piece of paper over the screen and your skin still works through it. So no matter what the barrier is, as long as it is thin it will still work.

Conclusion, if it is cold and you want to use your iphone outside whilst wearing gloves, buy yourself a pair of slik lined or unlined thin leather gloves.

I know its a little off HD topic, but it all esculated from my HD story :)
[Touch HD General] ponickka:
what's the difference between TouchFlo and pocketplus? i read in the first post that the user disable TouchFlo and installed pocketplus,

what's the actual benefit anyways?

Thanks
[Touch HD General] Nightstalker79:
Use less CPU so longer battery life, faster in operations and according to a friend of mine it's more user friendly for people who came off of a winmo device before, me I just stick with touchflo.
[Touch HD General] kevwright:
I would agree, if you are brand new WM user, Touchflo is OK (but slow), but if you are a long time WM user, you will almost certainly own Pocket Plus, and combined with Mobile Shell, it is way better and quicker that TF3D

Kev
[Touch HD General] ponickka:
If i option to use Pocketplus, can i always go back to TouchFlo/WM?

How hard is it to make the transition (if it difficult to dl and edit in my registry (which i have no knowledge about).
[Touch HD General] Nightstalker79:
Not a problem at all unless you remove the entire rom completely for a cooked one, I don't see any new owners doing that any time soon. If you opt to go pocketplus, you only have to install the cab and disable touchflo in settings. Going back from it is just as easy, uninstall pocketplus and turn touchflo back on.
[Touch HD General] miky7:
Don't get me wrong but it is one thing to compare iPhone with Touch HD as the thread title suggests and another to ask for software solutions for the iPhone...
[Touch HD General] Boinng:
Why? It's something that some members in this iPhone-related thread are interested in, and more to the point it helps with a fair comparison between the two phones. Lets face it, we're comparing OS's as much as we are physical hardware, and software solutions are a key part of that.

There is no iPhone ban on XDA-Devs, it can and will be mentioned here, however uncomfortable that may make you.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Am I the only person who think that any comparison between iphone and Touch HD is incomplete unless and until we look at the ability to do what we want to use it for? To me that means you have to examine the availability of software applications. I find it incomprehensible to think this as being off topic frankly.

To put it in another way, I'm looking for solution, not just a device. Am I missing something?
[Touch HD General] mackaby007:
Damnnn!!! Well said that man.

Well the truth is that I couldn't have expressed it better if I tried. I concur 100% with all you have said. Are you jailbroken? Because the developer side of me couldn't live with the iPhone witn factory settings as standard.

Jailbreaking to me is more about the freedom to develop or use other developers software that brings more of the WM functionality but tetaing that undeniably brilliant iPhone interface. It makes the iPhone a completely different device and for me, makes it the best mobile media centric gadget to date.

Looking forward to seeing if apple and Nvidia ever team up. It would end comparisons completely as that combination could really eradicate the need for a laptop. Anyway, I digress. Wholeheartedly agree with your comments.
[Touch HD General] veloaudio:
I'd love to hear about video recording on your iPhone. Check your PM box.
[Touch HD General] nir36:
you should remember that using a specific OS is very individual. I never owned an iPhone nor do i have an HD...(tho i've experienced the iPhone for a short while) but as a Polaris user i can tell you that there is almost NOTHING more i'd wish for. the fact that it's called WM or OSx means absoloutely nothing to me. the fact is, that i can use programs like iContact, get new roms with 3D Drivers, watch friends while on bus-rides, check the weather... i could go on forever.

device-specification-wise, this is pretty obvious. Apple are known for creating excellent hardware. HTC are "new", and yet, there is NOTHING that would make me switch my polaris to an iPhone.

technologies change. the lack of D-PAD in the HD will have people treat it differently and eventually, either the D-PAD will remain, or it will disappear. just like any other tech-patent out there.

guess..i'll be ordering an HD.

cheers.
[Touch HD General] Boinng:
Be fair - both HTC and Microsoft have been developing mobile devices and mobile software for far, far longer than Apple have. It's the iPhone that's "new", and catching up fast.
[Touch HD General] nir36:
concerning mobile phones.. you're right. but it's all about standards. Apple are known to do well in any area. if they decide to create a Laptop, it's a good one, if they decide to create a Desktop, it's a good one...

Sony has been in the market for a long long time and they have high standards. that's why it's easy for them to create new stuff, and create them well.
[Touch HD General] hagba:
Just ordered an HD from Expansys,long time Iphone user,more than a year now,suddenly realized that Iphone has always been a temprory phone to me.As a formerWM user,I feel a nostalgia at applications like,Bloototh,java,Flash player,(no more want to see the blue cube) ,VideoPlayer,i want to use my Hotmail account notificcation,not just IMAP Gmail.I want to download on IE or Opera,oh man I was really compromising a lot with the iphone,specialy after i bought an Asus eee 1000H,I dont feel i need the iphone's browsing prowdness anymore,Though it will stay within the family and go to my wife,as did my new bought touch Diamond which was grabed by my son and given the Iphone back to me!!.(read my other post pls,)

Cheers,there is always something new onther the sun