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[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Yes, a d-pad would make it easier to move up and down the mails and to select them. Without it though, I would simply bring up the keyboard and use the up/down key to do the same thing. If you want to do multiple selection, tab on CTRL key first, and tab on any mail you want to select for deletion.

If you want to select a continuous block of mails for deletion, use the up/down arrow key to move to the first mail, tab SHIFT, then tab on the last mail.

If you want to delete only one mail, simply press and hold on that mail, then choose delete from the pop up.

You can also select a block of mail for deletion by lightlly touch the first mail, and drag to the last mail. The entire block of mail will be highlighted for deletion.

To move from email account to email account, simply use the left arrow and right arrow key.

Piece of cake. :D

I wish I could also go iPhone. In fact I had already started bidding on ebay for the last few days, although I was not successful. I do not intend to go ahead because I need to be able to swap in spare battery during the day. I don't mind waiting for the GPS navigation software because I have faith that it will come one day. I'm also even willing to give up office document editing capability. But a device without battery is no use to me, no matter how good it is. I do not want to carry a portable charger.
[Touch HD General] donbronzi:
I just can't believe or take anyone seriously who says they don't like the HD!!! What a stylish, sleek, well built beautiful device! I have never seen such a great phone which with a few tweaks, down the line could be even better.

These people who are concerned about lack of Dpad or softkeyboard etc, 'buy yourself a touch pro, omnia or Kaiser!!!!! But stop complaining.

If you want a phone of the future, the HD is for you. Smashes the iPhone and any other phone out of the water.

Video playback...... concerns are just stupid, it is great, smooth etc.

GPS lag..... No such thing, not even a slight lag. If you have a lag check your software.

Touch screen..... The most precise touch screen i've used, truely comparable to iPhones

Don't listen to the doubters and haters, what they want is either way in the past or way in the future....
[Touch HD General] ryaninuk:
I have the iPhone 3G and if you use GPS and leave it on constantly it will be dead in 4 hours for sure. If you are just using it once in awhile and then turning off location services you should be alright. The fact of the matter however is GPS really sucks the juice.

People in other forums have reported that when the GPS is running and the phone is even plugged into a car charger it still sucks more juice than the charger provides and will die eventually. If long battery life + GPS is a big thing for you then I have to say that the iPhone should be avoided. Yes, it is a great phone but it would be really frustrating.

If you do manage to squeak by after 4 rounds you won't be able to use the phone much afterwards until you get it to a charger. No browsing, no music, no video etc. (you get the idea)

I know it is my first post here but I just ordered my HTC Touch HD so hence my sudden interest. I am ordering it mainly because whilst I love my iPhone it doesn't do everything I need. So I guess I will be lucky to have both phones.

Hope this info helps.
[Touch HD General] ryaninuk:
That isn't the case about the battery if you are a heavy user of 3G browsing or location based services.
[Touch HD General] Super Chimp:
I am bemused at all these people keen to jump on the iphone bus, if your going to complain about WM & don't want to put up with it then wait for the Nokia 5800 & go that way rather than the iphone.
[Touch HD General] Boinng:
That isn't the case of ANY battery on ANY phone if you're a heavy user of 3G and GPS - let's be realistic here.

I can't speak for the HD, but the best I ever got out of my Kaiser if I was using 3G all day was just that - a day. With GPS as well, much shorter. The Iphone is no worse than that, better if anything.

With 3G switched off, and no GPS, both phones will easily do two days. I get the feeling the Iphone would go longer if I let it - it's standby is better - it's just very rare that I'd leave it alone that long.. (it's still my new toy).

The unchangeable battery is a fair criticism, but then, I never carried a spare battery for my Kaiser and I don't miss it for the iPhone either - if things get that bad you just do the sensible thing and conserve power, I'd take still being able to recieve a call over using the GPS or 3G any day, and I know the iPhone still has plenty of standby and talk time in reserve even when it's in the red. Power management on the iPhone overall seems much better than WM.

The built-in battery makes the iPhone slimmer, and that's a benefit to me. The changeable battery of the Kaiser never was, since I never changed it.
[Touch HD General] Boinng:
Why :confused:

The 5800 is just S60 with a touchscreen, it might be okay but it might be horrible, either way it's not an iPhone. If you want a iPhone, you're really better off just getting an iPhone, trust me.
[Touch HD General] mackaby007:
brilliant thread!!!

Hi all.

For my last word on the subject I just wanted to say that this thread has been extremely informative and has helped greatly.

It has become very apparent to me that WM devices and the HD, one of the best our there, are the best converged work horses out to date, but with limited multimedia capabilities. Great for productivity in relation to office apps and variety of applications.

The Apple iphone3G is the complete opposite in that it's a multimedia powerhouse with limited office productivity capabilities, but nonetheless a superb communicator. It is and does promote creativity as the nature of the programs are based around ease of use whilst giving it's users the ability to be productive in other ways.

My conclusion is that each of the devices here have their own strengths and weaknesses. It just comes down to what ones requirements are. We still are no closer to having the all-in-one perfect device, but for now I am still extremely satisfied with what I have.
[Touch HD General] nin2thevoid:
Heh I've been wanting the Iphone for a long time but then the HD came along (well first the Diamond but I found it slightly lacking).

The HD is perfect for me... That's about as much as I can say without making another huge comparison post.

But a few highlights versus IPhone (surprised these points hardly get touched, well I find them very important anyway):

MULTITASKING... Having 10 apps open and switch between them with light speed is important for me, and WM/HD does this very well.

DECENT BLUETOOTH I use Bluetooth all the time and the iPhone's BT is very limited.

FILE BROWSER Having access to anything, being able to organize anything, zipping/unzipping registry editing etc etc etc I cannot live without a file explorer.

I don't care about intuitive and pretty, I want a fast interface that lets me do anything, which made me not want the iPhone anymore.

PS @mackaby: Exactly. I for one go for the workhorse (HD) and even chose it over the Blackberry Bold, but it was the multimedia/interface factor that made me hesitate to buy the iPhone. Looking back, I would have really regretted buying the iPhone for these reasons, even though/despite the fact that I certainly would not have been disappointed by it.
[Touch HD General] Super Chimp:
As I have said on here a couple of times I have owned an iphone & I cannot see how you can get around it's numerous limitations?
[Touch HD General] Insaneboy:
Since the HD can't play smoothly unencoded videos that one might find around the net, it's out of the picture for me.

I was wondering if a jailbroken iPhone can do it?

Turns out HD just needs the drivers to be able to do it, but since Qualcomm sucks...
[Touch HD General] kevwright:
Oh I do love a well thought out argument :-)

I don't think people here are actually complaining, myself and at least one other person has paid for one but returned it for refund.

I am gonna take a MASSIVE stab in the dark here........you have never used an iPhone have you?

You see, I can not take anyone seriously if they say that an HD has a comparable touch screen to an iPhone.

As for your point about people complaining about the D-Pad, well, it is very simple, WM is not really usable without one......now clearly you are on day one or so of HD, but you just wait a few days :-)

Kev

Kev
[Touch HD General] kevwright:
Why?

Kev
[Touch HD General] arifhanid:
I've got to disagree with this point.

I'm a dab hand with Windows Mobile and have now just got myself the HD.

The way Touch Flo works with Windows Mobile on the HD does not necessitate the need for a D-Pad and therefore is completely usable.

Granted that not all the options are finger friendly but there's nothing that I've come across that actually requires the D-Pad.

I agree that a D-Pad maybe required for a few games but there could even be a possible workaround for this (see here http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=429569 - i haven't tried it yet but it could solve a few issues where the D-Pad is required)
[Touch HD General] Nyberg:
Someone else who got the problem that when you recieve calls or call someone, the device vibrates and opens TomTom Navigator 7 for me? :eek:

Now that i have removed TomTom, it only vibrates and do not open any software..

Someone who have a solution?
[Touch HD General] kevwright:
Just going on my experience, which was with Pocket Plus, I wanted to change some roll out menu's and I had to install AEBPlus so I could map the volume keys as up and down.

I could not see another way around this, but thinking about it now, I guess you could pull up the keyboard (can you do that "any time"?) and us arrow keys?

But if you can pull the keyboard up at will, how do you do it without using AEBPlus to asign a button?

I guess part of my overall decision to return was due to hating TouchFlo, making the lack of D-Pad more of an issue.

I see know that to own an HD and NOT use TF3D is silly.

Kev
[Touch HD General] pistonripper:
I have a Diamond and am currently looking at the HD as my next upgrade next month....

My experiences with the Diamond and D-pad are that in most instances you do not need a D-Pad...but when you need it...you need it! ..its due to the way WM6.1 works....just try finger scrolling in contacts and then stop near the contact you need to "highlight", now try to highlight that contact NOT select (which will be a couple of rows up or down) so you can use the menu commands...its quite tricky to do. But if you use the HTC YouTube program and do the same in the history or whatever it works perfectly, you can scroll precisely without highlighting, and then touch to select. Again I would say...this a WM6.1 shortcoming...If you want to go truly "touch", you cannot do it with WM6.1...I'm sure the Touch HD is a brilliant device as is my Diamond.

HTC are advancing the hardware beyond the capabilities of the software.

Has the Diamond and Touch HD been released too early or has Microsoft been too lazy ? Take your pick, It's not a trick question.

But the worst thing, for me anyway, would probably be having to pull out a stylus...
[Touch HD General] ryaninuk:
As far as I know every video you put on an iPhone must be converted to get it into iTunes. If it isn't in iTunes it isn't on your iPhone, although I could be wrong.
[Touch HD General] trentend:
I'm sorry but that's generalist nonsense. I've been using windows mobile, in various stages of development, since the original colour iPaq. As a phone I've been with it since tytn, and I currently have a diamond (work phone) and a HD (personal phone).

I don't need a d-pad.

For what I do, and how I do it, I have never used a d-pad.

The iphone has a lovely interface, but it has limitations elsewhere. I'm really happy with my HD (apart from the mis-calibration on the orientation of it's tilt tweeter doesn't not roll unless it's held off axis - a problem I'm sure will be solved shortly, if it hasn't been aready, as it was on the diamond). It is quite simply scurrilous nonsense to say that the phone is not viable without the d-pad.
[Touch HD General] viczena:
i am very happy to sell my iphone in favour of the hd.

reasons:

800 x 480 screen, full open filesystem, file browser, file sharing with windows computer, office mobile, full exchange , email inbox filter, full bluetooth, internet sharing (htc as modem for notebook), printer support, cut and paste, a gps program available, flash, 5mpixel kamera back, videokonference camera front (incl videocall software), simfree, changable micro sd, changable battery, opera browser, double as much ram (228MByte), faster processor, double the runtime, taskmanager, software as much as i want (without apple censoring), JAVA (not forbidden, installed instead), remote desktop (for windows), FM Radio, mp3 as ringtone (without tricks)…

all these things i will never see in an iphone. plus i dont want to rely on the work of some (noble) hackers to give me the opportunity to jailbreak with every new release of the OS. apple is investing more in preventing jailbreak, than in developing their OS in general. plus you need to have an apple computer to run the jailbreak software. see the irony?

the policy of apple is (and always was) that of a greedy monopolist, who is just interested in the welfare of his money account, and not of his customers. apple (as so often) created a new generation of devices. and now its loosing the market again because of their greediness (as so often).
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Is this so? I do not own an apple computer. Does that mean there is no way to jailbreak unless I buy one?

Can others confirm this point?
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Is HD a lesser device because of missing D-Pad?

Okay, there has been lots of discussion on this, so I thought I'd give me two cents worth also.

Just a brief intro of myself for those of you who do not know who I am. I've been a winmo users for many years now and my current device is Athena. I chosed Athena because of its lovely 5 inch screen which allowed me to surf internet, enjoy big pictures, enjoy large screen movies, etc, and have been happy with it. Of course it is a little dated by now. It does not have the 7.2 download speed, does not have FM radio which I've been wanting badly (the other thing I want badly is television, which unfortunately could only be found in devices like T*Omnia).

When I first saw HD, my initial reaction was, "My God, they did not provide a D-Pad". I was also disaapointed with the latest Athena replacement (X7510) for the same reason.

Why do I need a D-Pad for? No, I don't play game with it. The places that I used the D-Pad for are as follows:

1) When I'm reading mail, I use the D-pad to read the next mail. I also use the D-Pad to go to the next email account. I also use it to select a mail for deletion, etc.

2) When I'm using my Coreplayer, I use a button to blank and unblank screen, go to next song, go to previous song, up and down volume, bring up the song list, etc. In most cases, when I skip songs or change volume, I do it without having to unblank the screen or even look at the screen. In fact the device stays in my pouch while I perform these actions. I find that D-Pad is an extremely convenient feature for using the device.

I was annoyed that HTC did not give us a D-Pad on the Touch HD. But I would not say that it is completely useless just because it is not there.

I can still perform what I normally did with the D-pad. It is a little bit less convenient for sure, let's not pretend that this is a useless button. If you think it is useless, it may be because it did not know how to use the device in the most productive way in the past (sorry if this offend you). However, I equally disagree with anyone who says the device is unuseable because it does'nt have this button.

I had already posted how you can navigate around mail in one of my earlier post. It is still very easily done.

As for music, okay you need to on the screen to touch the next song and previous song button. Big deal. It does not make it unuseable. I agree it is less convenient, but not unuseable.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
On battery life again

The impression that I got up till now is that iPhone would have no chance of surviving a golf game with mp3 and phone turned on with full brightness.

Currently, I at times run my GPS based golfing software, with MP3 about 80% volume (lucky for me, my regular golf buddies all either also enjoy my music or tolerate it even on the golf course), email running, phone working, and I use 100% full brightness, and would survive a golf game, with about 20% juice left.

If I do not use the MP3 at that volume, I typically still have at least 75% juice left after the four hour golf game.

This is using a 20 month old battary. After the golf game, I swap to the spare battery, and do about 3 hours of net surfing, with music in the background, and the second battery is waiting to be swapped out. This is using my Athena with a 5 inch 640x480 VGA screen. Therefore I have never worried about battery life with Athena, and expect no problem with Touch HD. I intend to order at least one battary.

I therefore form an opinion that here is where you see a big difference between iPhone and a winmo device. In the battery department, iPhone just can't compare to winmo phone. Am I wrong?

I hope you can tell me I'm wrong, because I really really want to get an iPhone. Please convince me that iPhone's battery is just as good.
[Touch HD General] alx75:
Maybe this will help:D

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=429569
[Touch HD General] Eitum:
too many off topics

it doesn't matter what thread is opened here, after a few replies it's going off topic and everyone is screaming his opinion about some stupid little things. Can someone pls open a thread where every one can post 1TIME what is concern about the HD?!

Because I have to wait a few more days for my one to arrive I'm hungry for INFORMATION! and every thread is dumped with the same **** doesn't matter what the title ist. :(
[Touch HD General] mackaby007:
start your own thread then!!!

last time I checked, Kev started this thread and even so, some of us have found it extremely informative.

If your not happy with what responses you have read, why not start your own thread then and stipulate your requirements THERE. Don't demand it on someone elses thread.

Who are you anyway to try and dictate the direction of discourse on any thread? A wannabe moderator? Cool down and start your own thread and be specific in your requirements.....I'm sure you'll find many like minded members happy to contribute towards answers.

Bit of extra advice (wether you want it or not), be polite. ;)
[Touch HD General] kevwright:
Absolute nonsense.

In fact las ttime I needed to do my iPhone, the Windows version was ready before the OS X version!

Kev
[Touch HD General] kevwright:
Depends what sort of video. I can and do watch video everyday using a program called Mobilecast, and have clicked on many a web link to go directly to a Youtube video.

Kev
[Touch HD General] kevwright:
As I have said elsewhere, you are completely wrong, jailbreak is available on Windows, and in fact often before OS X.

What do you present as evidence for your statement that Apple are losing market share please?

Everything I have read lately suggests quite the opposite.

Kev
[Touch HD General] kevwright:
If this is aimed at me, ok, I may have been a little strong when I said it is not really usable without a D=Pad.......but only a little I think.

For example, I love in WM that you can D-Pad through your different email accounts, and even through to SMS. On the HD, you can swipe instead, the only issue being that the HD often interprets this as a push, so instead of going to next account, it open the message instead.

But, as I said before (and no one has addressed), it is in the background, like when you get a roll out menu that the real problem comes.

Is no one with an HD having trouble with these?

Kev
[Touch HD General] gt112:
Is there not a protector already on the screen out of the box. The one supplied is a spare ????

I may be wrong but I thnk thats how mine is.
[Touch HD General] darthbane2k:
Can someone clarify this?..
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Kev,

Thanks for pointing out that we now can swipe in addition to the methods I already know. So it is even more useable than I thought. I'm confident that with a little practice I can swipe it correctly without opening up the mail.

My mail wasn't directed personally anyone. Please forgive me if I sounded that way. If any thing, I thank you for starting this thread. This is one of the best threads so far with solid information. I've seen many winmo versus iphone threads but this is the best so far IMHO.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
May I add that I think on the contrary, people's posts have been well within the realm of comparing HD to iphone, which is precisely what this thread is all about. If I go a bit too deeply into understanding what iphone can offer, it's because I want to address this issue less like a religious follower and more like an chief information officer, if you will.

Navigation software, battery, office software...may appear to be off topic on the surface, but are actually the very essence of what constitute real real important aspects what must be looked at to have a fuller picture. These applications are not less important than browser and video player. To think those are off topic is to assume that everyone has requirements like one's own, which we know is not the case.

Like you said, some of us prefer to discuss iphone software in a forum that we're already established in, with people that we're familiar with. For you and me, as we had hanged around the Athena forum for so long, I know where you're coming from. I know video playing is your most important criteria., so I know you made the right choice. Also, I know you're a resourceful person, willing to volunteer your time and put out money to help the community,so your recommendation carries weight.

Just for those who had asked me to disappear to the iphone forum to get answers to my software questions, I actually did that before posting the same questions here. Problem is I never had a single response on the iphone forum. Not one. Perhaps they incorrectly assume that my questions was designed to make the iphone worshippers look bad. I can assure every iphone fan that that's not my intention. Like I said,I like iphone now. It can't be all hype if Mackaby is loving it.

Good to let this off my chest.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Thanks for clarifying and killing off incomplete/incorrect information.

Cheers.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
I would like to ask for help from those of you who still have both the HD and iPhone at this point.

Could you use the browser and get into www.xda-developers.com in zoom out mode and describe to me what do you see to be the difference between the two?

1) Do they show the same amount of webpage? If not, which is shows more?

2) When same amount of webpage is within view, which one is more readable?

3) If we choose the biggest font size for both devices in the browser setting, which one is more readable in zoom out mode?

Please keep your posting factual. Thanks.
[Touch HD General] donbronzi:
Ok Kev, i too like a well thought out argument.

I have had the phone for 5 days now and still stand by my first post and to answer your first point, i have to say that i think alot of people are complaining. Oh and i did own an iPhone but found it lacked.......

I have still found no need for a dpad,

i still think the video playback is a great experience

and the touch screen is truely comparable to the iphones.

Just a stab in the dark here, but you didn't figure out how to use your HD did you? Ahh thought not. Well a truely massive amount of people have figured it out and found that it is a great device aslong as you don't have FALSE expectations.

There i hope that argument was well enough thought out for you?

Now a little suggestion to you, how about you look for an iphone forum?

No offense meant