[Touch HD General] Boinng:
You can start this one up again if you like, but I can and will dispute it. As popular and oft-repeated as the idea is on this forum, there's nothing wrong with the iPhone's signal strength on current firmware.

We all know that. The OP knows that. Nobody, but nobody could be asking the question "should I get an iPhone" without knowing that.

It's faster, the screen is brighter in different types of light, and the navigation's better (thanks to multitouch).

How about full HTML support? Naturally the iPhone also supports Goosync, and I have Exchange notes and tasks (and out-of-office control) with an Appstore add-on. Moreover the mail app on the iPhone is beautifully laid out, fast, and a joy to use. Can you honestly say that about WM's?

The simple answer is I don't know, I don't jailbreak, but I don't doubt there are solutions out there to all these problems - the jailbreaking community is very much like XDA-Devs, even populated by some of the same developers. As I understand it, the iPhone's quite easy to develop for (jailbroken or not), it's a powerful platform, and there are a lot of talented people working on it, so sky's the limit.

I'm always puzzled by statements like this - there are something like 25,000 apps in the store right now, and of course a huge number of those are nonsense/entertainment only, but that has zero relevance to the fact that there are plenty of strong apps in there too which are perfectly easy to find (and very competitively priced, too). Direct comparisons to WM are difficult, the type of SPB apps you're talking about would be oddly placed on the iPhone (since SPB have basically made a business out of filling in all the shortcomings in WM itself) but there are still many outstanding, productive, useful apps available.

The tangible technical points are those already highlighted many times - speed, efficiency, graphical power. The HD like most HTC devices is noticeably underpowered with a thoroughly mediocre Qualcomm chip that couldn't emulate the iPhone's performance if it tried (and it does).

That's your opinion, nothing more. Itunes has millions of users, the iPod itself would scarcely be as successful without decent software backing it up, and you can hardly beat the simplicity of simply plugging your device in and having it sync music automatically. As for "forcing a conversion", well neither does Itunes for the most part, if you set it up that way - it's quite happy working with, and converting to, MP3 for example.

Had to laugh at your assertion that you're not a fan of itunes and "you doubt anyone who has not use Itunes would be one either" - that kind of thinking really sums up a lot of these threads.

Navigating the library by artist/genre/album etc is so easy and fast, I honestly can't imagine what purpose search would have.

Yes.

Yes.

You can't download stuff in Safari if that's what you mean. You can stream video, you can download music, video and podcasts direct in iTunes on the phone, you can watch good quality Youtube, here in the UK I can view high quality video from the BBC in iPlayer (and have been able to since I bought the phone months ago), I have various apps for internet radio (30,000 stations) and other video sites...

Have you ever actually seen an iPhone? I have to ask.

No, I'm reaffirming the obvious truth that Safari is still a better, faster browser.

An utterly senseless argument - it's okay to encode video for one format/mobile device, but not okay for another? And what's to stop you reusing your iTunes library later on another device? Absolutely nothing! You seem to have little understanding of what iTunes actually is..

Yeah. Not great though, is it?

I'm in the UK, and like most people was paying through the nose for mobile data until relatively recently. That's changed primarily because of the iPhone, because Apple insisted their networks provided affordable unlimited data as part of the iPhone package, and because the other (non-iPhone) networks had to compete with that. Whether you have an iPhone or a Touch HD, adding unlimited data to your plan now costs very little, and that's largely due to the iPhone championing the case for an always connected, data-centric mobile.

Just don't agree with a word of that - we can agree to disagree if you like. The physics Apple have applied to the motion of scrolling make it anything but a chore. Screen real estate is seldom less than the equivalent WM app, and often more due to the trimmed down status bar and the use of multitouch to replace zoom controls etc (I think many would disagree with your use of the term "oversized" UI elements - reasonably sized seems more accurate). The keyboard is the best text entry system I've seen on any phone, again extendable and context sensitive to every app including third party - so no, I don't think there's the slightest need for any add-ons there.

The iPhone UI and controls are integral to the platform and used in every third party app as well as OS function - the same will never, and can never be true of Touchflo. As soon as you install so much as a single third party game, you're chucked into the grimness of WM.

Which I standby 100%, because the iPhone is absolutely the most rock-solid device I've ever used. Lol, smiley face, etc.