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[Touch HD General] jagharoturnarjagtanker:
I have written a couple of small applications already to the Android Emulator, just to test the potential, and I can just say: There is no problem implementing a soft keyboard into the default GUI. You can access and change almost everything directly in the user interface. You have access to change the behavior of any default application! Build a soft keyboard to Android, written in Java, to work on any device that does not have a keyboard, can not be a hard task.

If I have time to fiddle with Android when I arrive at home I will start the task of implement an java-application that can do this. I really hope I have the time since lack of time is my biggest problem right now.

// Johan
[Touch HD General] fdevogel:
Android 0.8

since a few days Android 0.8 is working on the Diamond/Raphael:

http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=RaphaelLinux

I thought, since the hardware of the HD is not very different, it might also work on the HD.

I tried this file:

http://netripper.babyburner.dk/raphael/raph_20081105-01_android_v0.8_touchscreen_fix.exe

But my HD seems to get stuck in the Linux booting process :-(

Anybody got an idea how we can make this work?
[Touch HD General] blackb1ade:
I have a [slightly hypothetical] question on this topic - it may seem like a stupid one, but bear in mind I'm not a tech person in any way, shape or form...

IF, as rumoured at present, T-Mobile release a 'G2' [HD with Android as native O/S]....is it therefore a given that I could then port the exact same O/S onto my (sim free) HD?

If so, will it be easy, or a pretty technical process [fraught with 'bricking' danger?]
[Touch HD General] Krad213:
If some-one manages to get "wm style" ROM dump from android device - it will be easy ... at this time no one can do it on "dream" ... so future is still unfortold ....

I'd be happy if android can be ported to HD or better Quartz :)

(sorry for bad land ;) )
[Touch HD General] P996:
Interesting claim, I suppose you're NOT a programmer, right?!

The iPhone OS is based on OSX. OSX is based on Unix. Well...guess where Linux stands.

Now I'm sure you know what Android actually is, right?!

To make it short: your claim is absolute crap. Have a nice day.
[Touch HD General] l3v5y:
The iPhone ROM is not that heavily based on OSX. It is essentially a custom OS, but they call it OSX for marketing purposes.

If the sources for the "G2" are made available, I'm sure they can be run within the Blackstone.
[Touch HD General] zwuncki:
How much memory/storage do WM Rom and Android Rom need?

Is it possible with HDs memory to someday make it a dualboot like on PCs? To choose which OS to boot after reboot? That would make it a perfect device!
[Touch HD General] xdaman85:
why would you want a dual booting phone, if we could get android on the hd thats all i would keep, but i guess everyone has different tastes

so when can we expect to get the game crysis ported to the HD? lol JUST JOKING
[Touch HD General] zwuncki:
Yeah, everyone does.

Why? Because WM and Android are totally different. I like Andorid very much but would never use it as a standalone System on my only device. And because WM has so many apps (many of which don't have a similar one on andorid atm). That's why.

I don't wanna know why someone wouldn't need this. I wanna know if it's possible?
[Touch HD General] l3v5y:
Exchange support?
[Touch HD General] dogmood:
just sharing not fighting...

exchange support was my first priority in the last ten years thats why I addicted to WM devices. However, during the mid of this year have a trial of Gmail and later it extends to my previous email system as Google apps. I want to tell you: the ball of technology is rolling. Google corporate email is really really powerful and potential. You can registered an ordinary Gmail and taste some...

This is why I have given up WM devices and changed to iPhone for better gmail support. You can register www.nuevasync.com to push calendar and contacts to your phone.

The first app we opened when go to work is MS outlook before, now, I open a web application of Google email rather outlook. It is a new experience and with much higher mobility, faster loading and achiving.

This is the reason, Im waiting android on HD. The most potential os on a great hardware...
[Touch HD General] peggowski:
i am thoroughly looking forward to android on the HD. i have always been a big fan of WM devices, but i have to say i prefer the look and feel of android. also when you couple in that the software my company makes will couple better with android than WM i think you know where i am going with this....

and before you say it i dont like the G1 it feels cheap in the hand and the screen is just too small! the HD however is a far superior piece of kit.

just my 2 pennies worth!
[Touch HD General] Insaneboy:
And Android will be completely useless, since as of this moment it doesnt have a software keyboard... in the future, though...

Rumor has it that a software keyboard will be coming sometime in the begining of next year.
[Touch HD General] peggowski:
i would agree with you if it wasnt for the fact that someone has already implemented a soft keyboard for the G1 so i guess that would make android useful again :D
[Touch HD General] sev7en:
Same issues at my end... Italian HTC HD (TIM Branded).
[Touch HD General] xotspot.com:
There are some rumors Google and HTC are working on HTC HD running Android. This would make it much easier to port on WM devices.

http://androidcommunity.com/android-coming-to-the-htc-touch-hd-20081007/
[Touch HD General] Gdeon27:
Hello all,

I am new to this forum and I am French and I'm not very good in English, so excuse me for mistakes.

Or is the project of carrying Android on the HD TOUCH it is for when ?
[Touch HD General] Bl@ck:
They're still working on it, it's only a beta at the moment, the phone boots up and let's you play around with the menus ma some actions bricks the phone.

Btw they're working on porting android 0.8 to raphael/diamond so we've to wait a bit to see it running on HD.
[Touch HD General] Gdeon27:
Thank's for your answer.

I think the touch HD will be better with Androïd than with WM 6.1, but the system must be works perfectly
[Touch HD General] dusty_nz:
WM 7

Another consideration is that it would not surprise me to see a release of either or both WM 6.5 and or 7. At this stage the HTC Touch HD represents leading edge technology and would be a good platform to promote the new OS's.
[Touch HD General] wolfmenace:
Android and WM7 looks promising .....

I will be happy if they choose to implement both WM7 and Android on Touch HD , I will have a lot of toys to play around :P

Now I am waiting for something to happen with Touch HD ......bored to the bone
[Touch HD General] xotspot.com:
There will be some devices running WM 6.5 by the end of 2008. For v7 wait for H2 2009.

http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/15/htc-exec-claims-q109-for-first-windows-mobile-7-phones/
[Touch HD General] dogmood:
Any progress in this? Im still waiting for android before go for this great phone...
[Touch HD General] xmoo:
I've managed to get it to boot on the Xperia.

mayb will also work for Touch HD/.....

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=456595
[Touch HD General] Sanj[uk]:
I tried this and got "failed to load zimage" :(
[Touch HD General] pichurri:
successful boot!!!!

So, I have great news.

I have ssh login into my HTC touch HD, also known as T8282 or Blackstone.

I downloaded the latest version for the HTC Diamond, which is also based on the "Qualcomm® MSM 7201A™ 528 MHz", found in:

http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=RaphaelLinux

The two interesting links:

http://www.netripper.com/raphae/20081204-01_raph_diam_angstrom_usb.exe

It boots a linux that listens for ssh over the usb cable. After the booting it you can connect to the blackstone via ssh using the USB cable. If you use linux, run:

# ifconfig usb1 192.168.0.200

# ssh root@192.168.0.206

(blank password)

Video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzZRxEgu440 (Just the blackstone boot process...if you can call it like that)

Also I attached the output of dmesg and haretlog.txt.

http://www.netripper.com/raphael/20081204-01_raph_diam_android_v0.8.exe

Android did not run, first, I guess the framebuffer is trying to output to 640x480, but more serious is that it gets scrambled. See video links:

Video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Siai2KspElE

A really good reference is:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=402002

(I haven't finished reading it yet...:P)

The next step is to fix the framebuffer problem. This friday I'll setup an environment to compile the kernel, thought I'm far from being a kernel developer. So, help is more than welcome.
[Touch HD General] buggybug0:
Android on HTC TOUCH

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=382265

Videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iKje_0lUYg&e
[Touch HD General] jim256:
THANK. YOU. Wish I could help! I have had a vogue for quite a while, and was involved over in the Vogue port thread, maybe dzo could give a few pointers. Though I think it would be much more appropriate to pm him with polite specific questions rather than post in the thread (we never liked ppl doing that, and he rarely responded lol because he himself didn't read the thread that much).
[Touch HD General] dencoman:
Sony Ericsson, HTC to Release Android Phones in 2009

this is what i found on gizmodo:http://us.gizmodo.com/?p=5
[Touch HD General] keni:
not that suprised, now Symbian is Nokia and uiq is no more... lets hope the x1 sells well.
[Touch HD General] kyro12:
nothing new?
[Touch HD General] pichurri:
Nothing so far, I'm still trying to get the screen to display what it should. I'll post something as soon as it is solved.
[Touch HD General] loadme:
go on with all this stuff ;)

the whole nation is waiting for results on this!!

we all need an amazing device like the htc touch hd with an OS like the android
[Touch HD General] domal:
any news to this ?????

i love work android on my hd !!!!!
[Touch HD General] donbronzi:
This is for sure the future of the HD.

Anyway i can add/ contribute please let me know.

Regards

DB
[Touch HD General] hakjac:
Hi !

I´ve got some questions about running Anroid on th HD. Maybe not so easy to answer but please give a best guess anyway.

1. Will the Android Touch HD work as a native Android phone, or will still WM hog resources from the HW?

2. Will it be possible to have a dual boot Touch HD, WM & Android ?

3. With Touch HD I experiece a "lagging" and lack of "response" (compared to iPhone). Is this lagging due to the thouch sceen HW or due to WM. Q: will the responsiveness of the touch HD improve with Android?

Cheers !
[Touch HD General] markgm:
It would run native, it would not dual boot, the lagging is because of WM.
[Touch HD General] hakjac:
Dual Boot

Hi, not dual boot ... So do I understand it correct that Android does replace WM totally (requiring an re-installation of WM to revert the phone back to WM) ?
[Touch HD General] loadme:
for the moment there is way known, to get android working on HD

therefor you cant question such things. no one can really answer

everything here is speculative
[Touch HD General] arghness:
Hmm, I thought that on the Kaiser they had it booting in to WM by default, then rebooting in to Android from what I assume was an SD card image?
[Touch HD General] domal:
damn i d not want flash my hd to onother win6,1 rom i wish someone make android work on this power ppc !!!!! i wait for that !!!
[Touch HD General] DavidMc0:
There are rumours out that the next T-mobile Android phone will be based on the HD:

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/12/20/actual-t-mobile-g2-information-maybe/

If so, I guess it'd be quite easy to port it over, though there would be no trackball or flash for the camera. Lets hope this rumour has some truth to it!
[Touch HD General] heatsha:
And someone do anything?? Plz keep the good work doing!! Android on tuch HD is awsome!! Cmon lets port it plz!! Any news by developers???
[Touch HD General] SomethingWicked:
Dogmood, please don't take this personally, but... Don't you have that backwards? The iPhone hands-down has the best hardware: the best and brightest screen, because it's transflective, although not the highest resolution and much better hardware acceleration for media than HTC ever thought about! I have really wanted to see WinMo ported to the iPhone hardware, then I'd be happy! But, the iPhone OS sucks bigtime! Unless you jailbreak it, it has no flexibility, configurability, customability, user upgrade ability, no third party roms or anything. Even jailbreaked, you don't even come close to the flexibility of WinMo! It just plain SUCKS... Unless you're a media-head. Then it's cool, cause you're just a USER. Your dream come true: Your ipod can surf the internet and make phone calls. Big deal... I, like almost every other member of the xda community, am a PLAYER. I like to play with my toys, take them apart and put them back together again, upgrade to new roms and new looks and new skins. Heck, I change my rom every few weeks... and if I don't like one, I'll download another one. Can't do that on a restrictive OS like the iPhone. So, NO, the iPhone OS is not a potential OS, it is a restrictive OS, created with users in mind, not players. I'm a player. iPhone sucks... I'm stepping down off the soap box now... >whew!<

I don't know much about Andriod. Most of what I've read is a lot of people have been working on it for a long time without much to show except a pretty, cool skin with little functionality. I wish it the best; I like Google's products (I'm using Chrome to write this) But it seems to me that there are just too many mobile platforms out there for it to really take off... :(
[Touch HD General] xotspot.com:
Good point JesseW, but you forgot a tiny little detail. Planetbeing is working hard to port Android on iPhone. http://linuxoniphone.blogspot.com/
[Touch HD General] jim256:
While it does look like they are porting linux and making some great progress, it looks as if they kind of want to stay away from android itself atm
[Touch HD General] pocketdoc:
Having used WinMo for many years and recently switching to the fruit phone, I can say that I miss the ROM updating of WM.

On the other hand, like you said, the iPhone is very easy to use and has a beautiful screen, even with the lower resolution.

I switched to the iphone because I got tired of waiting for a large screen. Now that the Touch HD is out, we have hope. I had one for a week or so, but got sick of the slow EDGE and actually missed the fruit phone.

I suspect the HD will come as the G2 next year. Maybe a WM version as well.
[Touch HD General] jim256:
Care to shed any more light on the HD / iPhone comparison? Or maybe just PM me? I am interested in absolutely every little thing between the two as I am torn. Chose the HD because of the superior size and resolution of screen but...I can't stand the slow speed and how insensitive the screen is (

especially the corners!

).

But then I discovered all the iPhone forums and the real potential of unlocking (3rd party apps, os hacks, mms capability, camcorder capability, etc. (main reasons I didn't go iPhone)).

Please let me know,

Thanks,

Jim.

I can't believe I'm considering jumping ship!
[Touch HD General] SomethingWicked:
Jim, there are at least a few threads already in in the Blackstone forums comparing the two phones. Since I've used both of them, I can say if you're a media centric person, the iphone is for you. If you like to play with your toys, like most of us here, the hd is for you. I've had no problems with corner sensitivity, although getting the left-most characters of the keyboard (which is itself a vast improvement over keyboards on 2.8" screens) to work properly is just a smidge frustrating at times. I press the 'A' key and an S pops up on the screen for example. But the iphone has some of the same frustrations as well. Not much else to say.

I think this thread has gotten off-track, partially due to my comments, which I apologize for.

Cheers

Jesse
[Touch HD General] iSlaker:
having you guys seen that video? omg! I am so having this thing one day. it's just fantastic! I just hope that Android becomes an OS with good apps made for it, I would be happy to switch to it if i didnt have to put up with the feeling i missing out some of the best apps for windows mobile.
[Touch HD General] heatsha:
which video do you mean?? link??
[Touch HD General] heatsha:
Damn look at this video someone porting Android on HTC touch HD !!!!

http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=aBXdi4wJQl8
[Touch HD General] pichurri:
!!!!!!!

Thats great!!!

I hope we can get fast the images and source of what's running on the phone!!!

So far I can boot android but no screen, just partial usbnet support...
[Touch HD General] Kael:
Android seems laggy, or is it me ?
[Touch HD General] nextime:
From the youtube video it seem that the person who upload it have a functioning image of android that can run on the HD. Is anyone contacting this person to know if he can share infos/images/things/suggestion to help us all to kick out windows from our phone soonest?
[Touch HD General] heatsha:
Damn i contact him but he dont want to help us this as*ho*le!!! Pichurri plz keep the good work !!! You can do it!!!!
[Touch HD General] nextime:
If he don't want to share what he have (android working?), there are only two possible reasons:

1- He have a working version from (a carrier? a vendor? HTC?) that is for a future official release and it can't share it as he have signed some NDA

2- It's a fake, he doesn't have any real android install

Anyway, it's very sad in any case that we can see something like that on youtube and we can't have any real collaboration to get the same. Not the right Linux spirit.

Anyway, changing argument, and coming back to the main topic, can anyone say how is the exactly state of the android on blackstone? what we have,

and what we need to get it working and fully supporting our phone?

I have an HTC blackstone from just yesterday (xmas gift), and it is my first one. I have many knoweledge on linux and linux on embedded platform as i'm a developer by job, but i don't know about anything on HTC specific platform and i know very little about android, but i'm very motivated in try to help in bring any linux working on the blackstone as i don't want to use it win winmobile.

Can anyone reassume the actual status, maybe better on the wiki, so, anyone can have a precise idea on what we need without searching and reading many posts on the forum?
[Touch HD General] heatsha:
Yes you are right nextime, we have to work on it. The only one who know about the state of Android is Pichurri ! Pichurri do you have some news ?
[Touch HD General] garcianacho:
I hope this dude be better porting roms that recording videos...:rolleyes:
[Touch HD General] Akhara:
Android on Touch HD

if we can use imeem mobile that would be so cool!
[Touch HD General] nextime:
So, thanks to Pichurri that guide me on the firsts steps to understand htc environment, and make all the work on the wiki for the actual status.

Actually we know that raphael kernel image can boot, networking by usbnet is working too, and we can ssh in the phone, i can confirm that this work.

Pichurri have tryed to patch the frame buffer driver to get the screen working, but actually it don't work yet.

I hope to find some time tomorrow to work on it to try to fix the frame buffer issue, i spent all today in upgrading my rom and preparing the build environment for the kernel, and also to reproduce all steps already done by pichurri again to understand how this device work, tomorrow i will spend some time in try to fix it.
[Touch HD General] pichurri:
I've placed some very basic instructions on android/linux for the blackstone on:

http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=BlackstoneLinux

Everybody, please, feel free to upload images or any progress. I'll set up a site for tested images and patches, this way we don't link to the raphael/diamond page. Also we have to have our own config for blackstone in the kernel, now we're still using diamond/raphael. This way we can start probing more specific hardware, although, the hw is very close to those 2 phones.

nextime I hope we can get this phone to work soon. I don't have hardware devel experience but I'm always willing to learn new stuff, been reading, but lack electronics knowledge, so it takes me more time.
[Touch HD General] heatsha:
Damn pichurri and nextime ROOKS!! I like you work and i know you both can do that. I want to help you but i dont know about developing and its my first windows mobile phone. But i gonna test your all stuff. Thank you both again.
[Touch HD General] heatsha:
Nice vids Pichurri
[Touch HD General] Cyclone_storm:
Hey guy's that sounds really good. I have bin reading your post for quite

a few day's now. And we can really see progress right now. Thanks guy's

:):):)
[Touch HD General] dogmood:
I think it is talking OS comparison for WM and iPhone... I can share with you both personal and logical for their levels.

Personal, as I mainly a Gmail user and I always need to check email. iPhone offers me a big screen, smooth and good looking fonts and I can access by email client or web thru' safari. I mainly read emails, so I need a good panel to display emails.

I have used WM for 10 yrs. However, I didnt see any progress. Only one thing is that we need to spent too much time to change fonts, registries for the phone running more efficiently rather than explore more of applications... thats why I have given up.

Logically, we can see many people are digging their head into making softwares mimic iphone..it means what? People like iPhone apps, like slideplayer etc..

Both the ipod and safari part are still king compared to WM though I use them sometimes.

The WM email client is ugly, poor font..that why there are so many so many emails client, customized fonts...just to make it more fashion and up to dated.

Just for sharing.
[Touch HD General] dogmood:
Hi JesseW, sure welcome to share or even debate and I trust you that these are not personally.

WM changed to hard plastic touch screen because of iPhone.

If WM is ported into iPhone, then it is really going backward to me. If u have tried iphone email client. u will see how good for a little animation, sound alert, fonts and it is good to read emails. If using WM email client, it just magnify further those ugly fonts, blunt logic etc. This is why even HTC HD has new FLO for email..when u press further to really read the emails, it comes up the blunt generic WM email client.

I agree with you that WM is more flexible, but what its innovative stuff balance its weakness. The problem of WM flexibility to me is that it needs you to tune everything! We need to change registry for faster speed, change to a better font..non standard WM OS, some are problem with Wifi, operator setting... usually the fun time is to spend much time to fix this, rather than explore more application or new stuff, when playing WM OS.

We need to find applications for email, homescreen, media player, tweaks? why? because the defaults are sucks! Thats why SBP are making money, isnt it?

I agree too that we boys always like to install new OS, see new features. That's why I am waiting android! I think the main reason I prefer much on android is that:

1. Im a Gmail user, both iPhone and Android are customized for that

2. I'd like to read email comfortably, including fonts

3. I want new features like web applications, ebay..facebook... (though i seldon use)

4. One more thing, Im from Hong Kong that this two os can read Chinese

A company will go thru different stages, I can see WM has been to plateau basically by its corporate culture. It wont go too far... but google android is something new, and they are more committed to web or mobile applications.

Thats why, HTC HD is really a best hardware and it will really a charm if equipped with android.
[Touch HD General] mentox:
If this thing get ported to that beast, I'm definitely getting one :D