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[Touch HD General] nu_D:
The fact that they are using a resistive screen is unbelievably disconcerting.

I don't know if I am going to buy this phone anymore.

I ripped off a letter to HTC berating them for using a resistive screen.

Seriously, why don't these companies get it? The iPhone sells in droves because it's so easy to use, namely because of the capacitive screen.

Man, the G1 costs basically nothing (relatively) and has better touch responsiveness than the $1,000 HD. That bothers me.

It's like paying $50,000 for a BMW that's less comfortable than a $12,000 KIA. The BMW might be flashier and have more HP, but if the seats hurt your ass then it really doesn't matter. Bad analogy but whatever.

I swear at the end of the day I am just going to end up buying an iPhone. Anyone know of any sort of time line until Samsung/HTC release a killer device but WITH a capacitive screen? I am willing to wait 6-7 months...
[Touch HD General] buggybug0:
the reasoning is not HTC, windows mobile 6 doesn't support capacitive. so if you want windows mobile and capacitive. then it's 2010. if you want android and capacitive then may be within the next 6 month.. i'm talking about from HTC and a killer device (G1 is a little ugly compared to HD, so it doesn't count as killer).
[Touch HD General] fmcastro:
I also think it's kind of mixed and ambiguous... But there's a part when they say (and I quote)

That seems pretty clear to me...

Regards..
[Touch HD General] Chris Davies:
In the name of full-disclosure, I'm the person who wrote that mixed review :)

It's only the first-half, so I'm glad you've not made up your whole decision based on it. The second part should be up sometime today (Friday); I've already been roasted by at least one commenter for being ambiguous in my conclusions, so hopefully it'll answer more questions.

Chris
[Touch HD General] thanosc:
Running other apps together.... like the touchflo?
[Touch HD General] Raziel1:
I peronal prefer a resitive much over the iphone screen!

why? cause its not old or anything like that what people may think. in fact, a resitive screen is even better than capacitive one. the iphone screen is more a downgrade than an upgrade to the screen techniqe.

It looked nice and all on the iphone. and the glass like screen is cool. but hey, you cant use a stylus so no accuracy at all. niot to forget that a capactive screen is not as accurate as a resitive one stylus or not.

next thing is, you can only use it wi´th your finger. so nor fongernail. and if its cold and you are waring gloves. you will have to take them of just to answer a call ^^ until you manages to do so, the other one hang up anyway ;)

the resitive screen of the HD feels like an iphone screen, you don't even notice that you are pushing it when touching with your hand. after i put the screenprotector on, it even felt like glass. hard an solid. no differents to the iphone anymore. even the response is fabulous. its much more precice and i can use handwriting and much more. there is no reason for me to ever use a capacitive screen again.
[Touch HD General] losdrivare:
To me, the ambiguosisty gives the review credibility. When the Diamond arrived, most reviewers couldn't praise it enough. The lack of responsivenes was written off as something HTC would fix with software updates. Not one review mentioned gps lag, mp3 playback with hickups or mediocre 3G and HSDPA reception. While some of these shortcomings have gotten better with official and cooked ROMs, the issues still remain today. Don't get me wrong, I still like my Diamond, My point is that I'd like to have know about these issues from reviewers before I bought it.

Chris Davies,

- don't be afraid to point out any short-comings you find of the Touch HD.

- Don't even be afraid of comparing it to the Iphone.

- and please, give special attention to the Diamond shortcomings mentioned above. Most people who are thinking about upgrading would like to know if these issues are resolved in Touch HD.

And thanks for an unbiased review, looking forward to part 2! :)
[Touch HD General] xorbert:
dead pixel policy

Anyone knows anyting about the HTC's DEAD PIXEL POLICY? It's rarther dissapointing that there are several HD devices out with dead pixels...

I have written a request to HTC and still waiting for the reply...
[Touch HD General] aokalter:
i'm also still waiting for reply about the dead pixel policy.
[Touch HD General] nu_D:
Man. It's almost like everyone is in a camp in WW2. If you say anything remotely positive about the "enemy" camp you suddenly lack foresight and a brain.

No. Nobody knows the difference between capacitive and resistive screens. I could bet that 99.99% of iPhone users don't know anything about their screen other than the fact that it just WORKS. ;)

That's my point. If the first few users that bought the iPhone were trying to move around the phone and it wasn't keeping up with their gestures, then Apple would have a serious problem on their hands. No matter how much marketing there is, if a product doesn't work, then it's not going to sell. But people pick up the iPhone and move their finger around and the phone tracks them perfectly. They don't know what technology is behind it but they do know that it works beautifully. You pick up an Omnia and well, the screen doesn't work as well as you would like. In these sort of parameters, it's not the journey that matters, but the destination. Nobody cares if the journey is through a resistive or capacitive screen, people do care about the destination though, as that's all that matters.

Now, does marketing have a GREAT deal to do with it? Hell yes. They are the greatest advertisers out there. But that doesn't take away from the fact that the quality has to be there- it has to work if it's going to sell in droves.

Hopefully that clears that up. :)

Anyway.

Thanks for that Raziel! So the sensitive and response is that good ya? Well, I will wait for some more reviews out there to see what everyone says, but that sounds great!
[Touch HD General] globalgpj:
Someone on this forum returned their HD device to their supplier because it had a dead pixel. They reported that they now have a new device. So, quickly ask your supplier if they can swap for a new one. You may get a quick answer. Hopefully !!!
[Touch HD General] billu:
Dead pixels are my biggest worry when ever I buy any device with an LCD. Had to return the T-mobile Ameo once because of a dead pixel.
[Touch HD General] vafanculo13:
No

it doesnt
[Touch HD General] Zuber:
Though I like the idea of a very light touch 'touch screen', I don't like the fact that the iPhone can't be used with a stylus.

I know it's designed that way, but I like being able to scribble with a stylus. My ideal would be a resistive screen (so you can use a stylus) that is very sensitive to touch.

I got the impression from reviews that the HD was quite close to iPhone level but not quite.

That sounds pretty good to me...

Zuber
[Touch HD General] Super Chimp:
Video review.

Another video review.
[Touch HD General] kirileman:
+1000000000000000000000000

So much hate for Iphone but everyone wants to make a device that looks and works like Iphone!!!! Even if Iphone does 1/100 of the things HD can do, it does them perfectly and noone cares how. I have even read that Iphone fora are boring!!! Of course they are boring cause the don't have problems to solve and better roms to cook. Only pure countries of third world have big numbers of development rate! The rich have almost zero cause they are already at the top!

I don't expect HD to be free of the biggest bug named "Windows mobile"!!! I expect sluggish scrolling, fall of free ram, gradual speed decrease and all the disadvantages of qualcomm gps (lag etc)... That's why there are people trying ti import android or linux into it or anticipating for windows 7. It's a pitty cause HD lookes great and the screen must be delicious!!! In my opinion, a WM user (like me) should always avoid using or coming near to an Iphone. Ignorance is a blessing!
[Touch HD General] syqe:
can u upload a screenshot pls? me buying this is pending on this landscape keyboard :D
[Touch HD General] surur:
I though we were trying to keep these posts out of this thread. Why don't you start your own discussing your issues.

Surur
[Touch HD General] Matterhorn:
Sure, and maybe you can tell me how GPS works on the iPhone with built-in maps like TomTom??? You can't even use the iPhone for navigation through speech in the car! I am not a WM fanboy, but I have a friend with an iPhone and the calls are dropping all the time with that thing. What can he do about it? Nothing. Why? Because there isn't a great forum like this one that offers roms which fix problems which ALL phones inevitably have from the factory. With the iphone you are locked to your network and a slave to Apple Roms. I will receive my HD on monday and I can't wait.
[Touch HD General] Super Chimp:
It's stating the obvious but the best way for me to decide if to get one or not is to go in the shop & try before buying or not.
[Touch HD General] Raziel1:
Yeah, that was me. I got 2-3 dead pixels and even if they are very small, it desturbs me to pay so much for the best phone i ever had and it isn't perfect. i called the shop and the owner told me that such things happend to him as well with his HTC device (an old model). he just sent it in and got a new one. I will recieve a totally new one on monday and i am glad that a picked this store :) (oh and be fast if you do. the guy in the shop told me that HTC could change the display or get you a totally new phone. but as there are no displays to get yet, they will just send you a new device.)

Btw, this is a official HTC supported shop. I was told that i can retreat my phone in 3 days from buying it if somethings wrong with it without any problem. So don't wait too long.
[Touch HD General] greatestkelvin:
on your comments

Although windows mobile is not as good as iphone. There are many problems we need to solve on the windows mobile that is why there is this forum. Please let them have a chance. Iphone is the king of smartphones, no doubt about it. But not everyone can afford an iphone. There are poor people in this world. Please remember that. That is why they have no choice but to accept poorer quality phones.
[Touch HD General] tboy2000:
Hello! An iphone costs cheaper than a HD.
[Touch HD General] xdaman85:
an iphone is cheaper then most windows mobile based phones
[Touch HD General] foulke:
Please stop trolling with Iphone. We're on HD forum here.

Can anyone answer on the questions of power autonomy ?

How long can the HD be used without charging :

1- doing GPS activity (I've seen Tomtom : 3 hours and a half ?) if I want to walk using a software like OziExplorer ?

2- doing Wifi ?

3- just doing a few phone calls.

Does the HD charge fast ?

Can it charge with a standard USB car charger ?
[Touch HD General] arifhanid:
I don't want to go round bashing the iPhone, but I don't agree with this statement.

It has too many productivity features missing to make it the "king"

Until Android matures or we get WM7 I don't think there will be the ultimate device.

Just my 2 cents...
[Touch HD General] kersh:
what about finally with the xvid videos on coreplayer? Skip fps? it plays smooth?
[Touch HD General] Super Chimp:
Does anyone know why it's impossible to get hold of a Touch HD to test before purchase?

Whenever I ask about I keep getting told oh we will not have any until December, surely as it's out now their must be some test models about?

I am talking about the UK here.
[Touch HD General] dupersuper:
i switched from a treo750 to the iphone.

when i tried the samsung omnia, i was appalled at how unresponsive and error prone the screen was, forgetting i used to be a wm user :-)

i don't think a capacitive screen is ever going to come on to windows mobile, even for wm7 if ms decides to maintain full backwards compatibility.

there are far too many old wm programs that requires a stylus (those written w/o the 2 softkeys in mind)

anyway i believe the official htc reason for not having a capacitive screen is that asian input methods work best with stylus so they had no choice except to use a resistive screen.

but like u, i think they're just trying to maximize profit by using a cheaper screen ;-)
[Touch HD General] orb3000:
Completly agree mate

Iphone is far away of being a king...
[Touch HD General] emijulisa:
I think that's the answer that everybody wants to know, so please answer to it ?

thanks a lot guy
[Touch HD General] vafanculo13:
the only thing the bothers me is the total lack of flash, that sucks big time especialy for a £541,99 Touch phone that was suppose to be better than the IPhone i every aspect.
[Touch HD General] fnord:
Part 2 of the SlashGear seriously in-depth review is up.

http://www.slashgear.com/htc-touch-hd-slashgear-review-part-2-0721942/
[Touch HD General] utvol06:
first report of laggy GPS on Touch HD. Everyone else that has one says they get quick fixes and no lag....what gives?:confused:

Whats true and whats not? I don't want another laggin GPS phone...I've got one now.
[Touch HD General] kirileman:
I didn't expect something different. It's the qualcomm gps. Again, we will have to use a bt gps (i use my old eten x500, hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhuge difference in gps experience).

The photos look great and the screen even more!!!!
[Touch HD General] Super Chimp:
Thanks for that excellent review.

You didn't say what resolution it records video at, after having a number of devices with VGA @ 30fps recording, anything else is a bit of a let down?

As long as the GPS can keep up with walking speed that's all I need.
[Touch HD General] Osir1s:
good review and I think many ppl will be happy with another review confirming the descent battery life. The review certainly came off as being objective and not biased which is always nice, some points however,

- How you guys couldnt test a proper GPS app is a little odd, I think many users would be interested in the results with a proper GPS based app.

- Discussion of no Dpad, how did you find it?

- Its microsofts failing for WM appearance, HTC have already extended into territory they shouldnt have had to with their TouchFlo interface. Its not their job to further make WM look sexy its microsofts. HTC Is a hardware vendor, I dont know about you but I would prefer they stay specialised in that and MS pick up their slack and start making some changes to their slowest evolving OS ever.

Chris Davies awesome job on all the picutures too, its nice to see a review that keeps pictures in their rather than just pq youtube vids.
[Touch HD General] globalgpj:
Hi Kirileman,

I also use the eten x500 GPS using Destinator 7 software. Do you have the HD yet and if so what GPS software are you running. I don't mind a bit of lag, but need more descriptions of the fine differences.

I am looking to upgrade to the HD but I use my GPS from time to time here in Australia but in Europe I use it all the time. I couldn't have made it through France and Italy a few months back without it.
[Touch HD General] Super Chimp:
Is it's video recording ability the same as the X1?
[Touch HD General] Chris Davies:
All I can say is that I got someone to drive me around while I watched Google Maps - at anything above walking speed we would physically pass roads before the on-screen marker got there.

I've had a couple of people ask about image/video quality, so I'm going to do a follow-up article with sample shots and uncompressed video you can download. Officially I'm meant to send the HD back at the beginning of next week, so I'm going to have to sweet-talk the PR lady :)

The GPS issue is because I physically don't have any of the more mainstream WM GPS apps. I'm trying to get TomTom or Garmin to play ball. However I'm open to suggestions for third-party apps you guys would like to see.

I only really noticed the D-pad absence when dealing with email - I like to use it to move down the list and hit delete; tapping the messages just opened them, so I was doing more tap-and-hold than I'd like. Other than that, I didn't miss it.

Interesting point on the TouchFLO/Microsoft debate. While I agree that it's really Microsoft's place to be sprucing up Windows Mobile, I'm also looking at it from a "customer walks into shop, what's he going to want to keep?" perspective. TouchFLO is great, but there are still gaps around the edges where the OS shows through: maybe it's not HTC's responsibility at all, but general consumers aren't going to think about that. But yes, I want Microsoft to speed up too :)

Thanks for the positive comments, guys, I appreciate it.

Chris
[Touch HD General] fmcastro:
I've personally seen Google Maps application lag with my TyTN II. I think a test with TomTom or Destinator is not only interesting but a necessity.

Actually I have to disagree with you. Cell phones operating systems face a great challenge of supporting a lot of different hardware configurations, screen sizes and input methods. This is so difficult that MS can't actually write the final code that goes into each device. I guess you all know that device manufacturers have to adapt (through drivers and other customizations) each new version of WM realeased to each of their devices before they actually reach us (thats why there's no actual "WM Updates", besides that useless icon on our WM devices)

The tendence is exactly the opposite. Operating systems tend to be an horizontal development platform instead of a vertical solution more and more. Their job is to provide a common platform (and yes, core user interface methods and standards) that manufacturers and app vendors can customize and improve to specific devices. This is an strategy easily observed on WM and Android OSs.

On the other hand, Apple and Nokia-Symbian go through the vertical "all mine" solution. And the only reason they can do that is because they also own the hardware part of the supply chain - the devices.

Actually, I guess HTC has been the first to realize that and has achieved a lot of good things with it's current TouchFLO development. HTC now has one of the best WM interfaces on the market because they realized that the end user interface is their responsability too. Any interface designed to suit lots of different devices (the entire ppc/spphones market is MSs goal!) with all their innerent differences would lack either functionality or visual experience.

I'm not saying WM is great with no room to improve at all. That 3 mm scroll bar (and thats only one of a lot of examples) is totally annoying and incompatible with today's touch input methods. That, for sure, is MS responsability and HTC have had to work around it with a not so good finger firendly scroll solution (it lacks proper physics and graphics acceleration).

If you are still reading and have not fallen asleep I'll make my point now :o

It is indeed HTCs job to improve their user interfaces on top of a common development plataform (OS) and that is actually a great way to speed up new (and improved) device releases while the platform itself can focus on compatibility, interoperability, standards and technology breakthroughs adaptation.

Yep. One of the best HD reviews on the net. And I've seen a lot...
[Touch HD General] Super Chimp:
Chris Davies I am really hoping it can manage VGA video recording, after all as HTC built the X1 and that has it surely they would equip the Touch HD with the same?
[Touch HD General] indup:
the m2d02 rom flashable on omnias has quite a few more fine tune options available in settings compared to the hds rom is that because the m2d02 rom is a 'cooked' rom with all the goodies put in?
[Touch HD General] emijulisa:
So finally, for videos/Movies, is it necessary to encode it to have no lag ?
[Touch HD General] Insaneboy:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=443245

Think that it depends on the bitrate and some codecs.

For example a file with AC3 audio won't play.

And the limit to the bitrate is somewhere in the 1300-1400.
[Touch HD General] steiner1234:
Video playback disappointing

I got my HD to be able to watch videos I recorded with my Archos 605 ** without ** needing to re-encode them (DivX, Archos also has a 800x480 display).

No way - the video playback stutters ...

I guess I still need to take both Archos and my PDA with me to be able to watch movies ...

A
[Touch HD General] indup:
size wise its borderline a little on the wide side(for my hands at least) especially when one handedly trying to press the call or unlock buttons with your thumb(right handed) but i suppose its the price you have to pay for such a sized screen.
[Touch HD General] Ascenca83:
From where did you get the cradle?

Is this the official one or is it the one of the diamond? Could you give me the Series Number of the cradle? Would be nice.

Thanks for your answer.
[Touch HD General] kimandsteve:
I agree, there should be a company specifically set up to make sub standard phones for poor people. Should I trade my TYTN2 for a Touch HD?
[Touch HD General] SingaporeAirlines:
It's a rather large cradle isn't it..........
[Touch HD General] SingaporeAirlines:
Can any Touch HD user open the following link in Windows Media Player or anything similar?

mms://skinkers-livestation-bbcworld-en.wm.llnwd.net/skinkers_livestation_bbcworld_en

Note it's

MMS://
[Touch HD General] kersh:
another confirmation of crappy playback video.

nice one htc
[Touch HD General] Raziel1:
Since i got my HD last tuesday i cann only again state: take your videos, confert them into a good format like dvx, install a good player, and you will have the finest quality videos sa smooth as you could think of , running without any problem even on the hd
[Touch HD General] zoltan35:
HTC Touch HD UK version charger

Anyone knows if the US Hermes charger will work on the new HD? I am about to order from expansys but I doubt I will get a US charger. Phone wouldn't do me much good if I can't charge it or have to charge in the car all the time.

Thanks
[Touch HD General] kersh:
Yes, thats the problem

CONVERT

I dont want to take a standard movie on xvid and 700mb and need to convert it again losing quality and my time, I am not asking for a 720p, but a 1mb bitrate of vídeo + 150kb of audio without problems yes, less and need to convert is bull****.
[Touch HD General] Raziel1:
it depends how you do it, but normaly you wont loose quality. i have seen videos of 200 mb and less in a quality i didn't believe was possible on such screens and mb size. and 1mb bitrate is pretty extreme i have to say. last time i played an highdefiniton movie of 720p it had around 1 mb. do yuo expect such a thing to run normaly on a mobile phone??

i can only tell you to just go and try. try out dfferent codecs and settings, there are many forums dedicates to such questions and full of importand tips. and soon you will find the information you will need and be surprised about what you get in the end.
[Touch HD General] BerreZ:
Dead pixel

I'm asking myself if the people with that so call dead pixel are running Gsen.

In that case its normal it's only a white pixel informing you that Gsen is on.
[Touch HD General] Insaneboy:
Ok quality videos around the net (read 175/350/700mb files), encoded with xvid are somewhere in the 1000-1400 kbit/s range.

HDTV uses 15, HD DVD 36 and Blu Ray 54. (all mbits/s)
[Touch HD General] Fidalgos:
Sorry a litle question... HD have a 3G video-call or not?

Thanks in advance :)
[Touch HD General] Insaneboy:
It does have it. (you can see the camera on the front)