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[Google Pixel 6 Pro] TheLoonyRebel:
Honestly I am okay with waiting a bit for the March update to be released if that means whatever bug they found is squashed out. Running the second Feburary build on my Pixel 6 Pro with Kiri 1.8.4 kernel runs very smooth. Hopefully battery life will be a bit better once the March build hits.

Also happy to see @roirraW "edor" ehT here! I'm formerly DemoManMLS/AngryManMLS.
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] anasmhds:
I hope they resolve the 5G and VOLTE issues in UAE specially other brands like OPPO and Xiaomi have it.
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] MrBelter:
The 4x camera was a big draw as was the extra photographic performance accorss the board that they were bleating on about. Then there was the promise of 5 years of updates (which turned out to be 3 years of updates plus an extra 2 of security patches). Of course the all singing all dancing Tensor that Google made a huge deal of and were happy to tell you how much more powerful it was over the Pixel 5. I guess we can chuck in the whopper of a battery as well, 2 day battery life while actually using the phone was here, but unsurprisingly it wasnt. What Google were saying was significant enough to warrant the upgrade for me but like i said in my earlier post, marketing eh.

Presumably the "back at you" camera is the selfie camera? i couldn't care less about that to be fair, it could be missing entirely.
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] somethingsomethingroot:
I'm generally more for this attitude, especially since I haven't had some of the more dire bugs. But some people have dealt with delays AND bugs, so I get some of the tension.

Yeah, leaving Qualcomm's expensive processors has been fine for my day to day tasks. Leaving Qualcomm's expensive 5G modems has been... less fine. Don't think I've ever seen my wife's iPhone even switch to LTE compared to 5G here being spotty and a battery drain.

A lightening to USB-C cable has done wonders for my wife's charging times, I'm guessing it might do the same for file transfers. But file management and direct downloads would have me going mad.
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] roirraW "edor" ehT:
Someone had mentioned that before as something that might be looked into, but no one has taken a poll. Just based on loose observations, I'm under the impression that there are those who have the same officially Unlocked variant as I (although not necessarily the same 512 GB storage option) who have had lots of problems, but I haven't really been tracking that so I could be wrong.

Hey! I remember you! Good to see you too. You went from Angry to Loony? :D We're all loony around here.
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] bobby janow:
Speak for yourself! ;-) I have an unlocked Google branded P6 on Verizon and my wife has a P5 bl locked Verizon version. Whereas I had some issues with connectivity a month or so ago she never had any. Naturally, this is just observational on a very small scale but I don't think this is narrowly reported as Verizon customers only. TM and (perhaps) ATT have reported issues as well with the P6 series. That being said the latest carrier services seems to have improved the reconnect delay. Eagerly awaiting the March updates to see what and what not has been fixed. Reading about the pipe exploit in the kernel am I correct in assuming our stock kernel is vulnerable until a fix is released? I do believe the March update fixed it for everyone else. And while I'm on a morning coffee rant, how can they not release a fix for a zero day exploit out in the wild for a flagship?
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] Galaxy Princess:
Good morning Bobby, If I'm not mistaken, I believe [the 0-day exploit] is one of the primary reasons for the Raven and Oriole OTA delay. And a morning coffee rant is perfectly understandable and I'm doing the same. ☕☕☕☕☕
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] Gerr1985:
Since the February update, my WiFi turns itself off constantly. Almost every time phone is off for more than 5 mins. I didn't have any issues prior to Feb update, so it's been a major annoyance to deal with. Yesterday I worked with TMobile to convert my physical SIM to eSIM, and I haven't had the issues since. Which is odd, but something I wanted to rule out after trying every adjustment. I have the unlocked P6P, but if anyone is experiencing this issue, maybe converting to eSIM will help you too!
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] bobby janow:
I believe that was reported too but then someone here (forgot who) said that wasn't the reason for the delay even though it was an exploit. Nonetheless, they should release a patch like now for the kernel at least. Even Microsoft releases zero day patches. I mean how hard is it to do a system update for a single issue? I just don't know what they're thinking these days.
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] Lughnasadh:
I think the delay is due to something else as Google has confirmed to Android Police that the kernel vulnerability (Dirty Pipe) is not the reason for the delay.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1500939485416206340
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] Gerr1985:
Just over 2 years. Activated a new nano sim when I got the OnePlus 7 pro back in Nov 2019. Again, zero problems until I flashed the Feb 5th updates.
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] 96carboard:
The 4x camera is nice, and the CPU is strong, and lots of RAM. It is a pretty solid upgrade, but not worth the price if you have a fairly recent pixel already. That's what it comes down to. If you have a really old and unsupported phone or broke your phone, then its worth buying.

My point is that you had a 1-year-old pixel. If you believe, regardless of their marketing, that its going to be 1000x better if you blow a pile of money on an "upgrade", then you're deluding yourself. Not even close.
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] 96carboard:
I can't tell you what you're doing wrong, but if you can't get a day out of the battery, then something is seriously wrong. Maybe your phone, maybe your network, maybe what you're doing, maybe the fact that you have gservices installed and sucking down your battery. If I *TRIED*, I'd find it hard to drain the battery in 24 hours. I regularly get 6+ hours screen on time during a day, and have NEVER plugged it in during the day. If I go away for a weekend, I don't even bring a charger because it will keep going from friday morning through some time on monday.
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] bobby janow:
There is a wifi not working thread that you should probably put this post in too. It might help a lot of folks struggling with it. They'll never find it here and it seems important possibly.
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] somethingsomethingroot:
Presuming everything is stock, 5G drains the battery quick and it's doesn't seem to be as big an issue on other flagships from last year.

It's weird, I've gotten 4-6 hr screen on times (after calculating it in this new Battery Usage screen), but it doesn't feel like it's lasting super long . Could be the weird hours I keep.
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] biggiesmalls657:
Yes well I see that part of it but the other part is we are the customer and we paid a good amount of money for it to be released "stable". In certain situations with the cell phone mobile network disconnecting could be a life or death situation. When you buy something new, you expect bugs but this is unacceptable. It should not have been released if it wasn't stable. My radio baseband for TMobile has not been updated since Sept of 2021 and Xfinity was last updated in 12/2021.
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] bobby janow:
Maybe if you turned on your phone during the weekend you'd know what we're talking about. (just being factious) Only 6 hours screen time from Friday morning thru Monday? I get that in an afternoon. I'd love to see your BBS stats summary from when unplugged. I'm sorry but this really doesn't jibe with the majority of users here.

edit: clarification
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] Gerr1985:
I posted in a found thread from search, hopefully the right one. Another noteworthy thing is that my battery life has improved a bit, especially on idle. Might all be tied to the modem 1 (physical SIM) slot issues or something, very weird... and its only been about 1 day since changes so things are early.

I'm curious if people with issues are on physical SIM cards or on eSIM now.
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] Galaxy Princess:
Okay, so NOW I'm beginning to feel like a 2nd class citizen with this flagship phone, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. 😐
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] Galaxy Princess:
Lughnasadh, Thank you so much for reposting this here. 🙂
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] 96carboard:
Just to provide my own clarification, no, I generally don't use it much on the weekend. 6-8 hours screen time would only happen on a weekday, and not that frequent. If I'm stuck waiting for the kids a lot and watch a couple shows or read through the world news, then screen on time goes up a lot. On weekends though, I'd much rather be doing something fun than screwing around with a phone.
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] 96carboard:
Zero battery issues for me, regular slide-in SIM card. GrapheneOS doesn't have the software to set up eSIM, but even if it did, I prefer the dinosaur way so I can physically move it to a different phone rather than mucking around with software.
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] bobby janow:
I have both physical and eSim. I had the same setup on my P5 and battery life was probably twice as good. Case in point, my overnight drain on the P5 (I have exactly the same apps now as I did) was never over 0.8% / hour and most of the time between 0.4 and 0.6 / hour. Now overnight I have at least 1.8 - 2.2% / hour drain. How the heck is that possible? Face down, DND on yet I'm down 15% overnight. Something is wrong with this device when it comes to battery life. At this point I don't believe a software update can fix it. So I either live with it or live with it because I'm not trading it in until the P7. But I'm done with it as soon as I get an alternative. I will not get an iPhone or a Sammy device.. yet.
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] LLStarks:
Android 12 QPR3 Beta released.

I have no idea what Google is doing but apparently this is a beta for the June feature drop. And yes, the Pixel 6 is available.

Edit: 13 bootloader, 12L Beta 3 modem. This is effectively 12L+ for us until we get the stable one.

Android Beta Program

Android Beta Program allows you to enroll your Android device for beta releases.

g.co

Get 12L | Android Developers

Get 12L on the Android emulator.

developer.android.com
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] Jiggs82:
Cool will try it out when I get home from work
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] LLStarks:
Knowing Google, they'll release 13 DP2 tomorrow.

I don't know how well they serve themselves by splitting the beta user base, but this is the right way to do things. Let developers deal with API changes while users test for feature updates.
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] Matterhorn:
Downloading the new beta now...180mb
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] LLStarks:
So Android is basically rolling release now for most of the year, not just aosp-master GSIs.

Edit: QPR bootloader and modem might be different after all. Bootloader looks slightly older than 13. Modem version looks same as 12L but filename is different. Not sure if these are version/timestamp bumps or substantive changes. There's clearly continuous dialogue with Samsung as branches of firmware remain firmly separated.
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] somethingsomethingroot:
So, I think I got this right.

The 12L beta is now 12.1 and stable for Pixels, except for the 6 series, but they'll be getting a stable release soon...ish.

There's a different 12.1 beta for the feature drop in June, ready to go for all the Pixels.

There is also 13 Developer Preview, but it OTAs into the 12 beta for June for some reason.
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] Lughnasadh:
Yes

Yes

The 13 DPs should turn into 13 betas next month. I don't believe there are any OTAs for 13 until it turns into a beta.
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] LLStarks:
There is also 13 Developer Preview, but it bricks into the 12 beta for June for some reason.

Fixed that for you
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] DanielF50:
OTA updating from 12L Beta 3 to QPR3 Beta 1 rn, lets see how this goes :|

edit: OTA still optimising apps... been ~40 minutes now since hitting download and only about 60% through optimising, I thought the stupidly long odexing times was one of the reasons that they replaced Dalvik with ART? 😐

edit2: failed to install the OTA anyway for some reason (after uninstalling Magisk etc)... I ended up just dirty flashing full image.

No instantly visible changes, seems to be running as well as Beta 3 but only time will tell :)
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] Lughnasadh:
Wait, they put out an OTA for 13 DPs? And it turns into the QPR Beta 1?

EDIT: Nevermind. Saw the answer on a not to be named platform.
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] LLStarks:
PSA: Don't update your Pixel to today's Feature Drop beta if it's running Android 13 DP1

Unless you're gunning for bootloops, that is

www.androidpolice.com

Because it had to be said
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] LLStarks:
Some carriers require newer SIM cards for 5G SA.
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] jcp2:
Sounds right...... I tried using the older 4g lte sim (Rogers) that I had been using in my P3xl, (worked fine) When I got the P6P 3 weeks ago, I couldn't get 5g until I inserted the 5g sim that came in the box from Rogers (Canada) ***in case my Avatar didn't give me away ;)
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] Starzboy77:
I'm super confused.

I'm on A12L Beta 3 (S2B3.220205.007.A1). I want to keep root with Iris Monet theming. Should I stay pat or update to this QPR? Any issues with the QPR like no root or changes to System UI that would impact Iris Monet? Also, ami still in the beta program as I don't get any updates via OTA when checking but see the image is available on Google's page. Typical Google making things so complicated...
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] Lughnasadh:
I went from A12L Beta 3 to QPR Beta 1 and root is working fine. Also passing safetynet using USNF. Not using Iris Monet at the moment but am using Liv Dark and all my Substratum overlays are working fine as well. Hopefully you'll just have to rebuild the new mod in Iris and it will work, but can't really say if it will or not.
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] Lughnasadh:
"Meanwhile, devices that manually sideloaded Android 13 Developer Preview 1 and are enrolled in the Beta Program were prompted this afternoon to install 12 QPR3 Beta 1 from the System update page. Google confirmed to us that this is a bug and not an intended behavior. A fix is being worked on."---9TO5Google (emphasis added)

Opting out of Android Beta Program today wipes your Pixel as bug serves 12 QPR3 OTA on 13 DP1

Google surprisingly rolled out Android 12 QPR3 Beta 1 today and it should be a straightforward Beta Program upgrade, but a bug sees 13 DP1...

9to5google.com
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] MrBelter:
Your 1 year old Pixel statement is of course correct but we are not comparing eggs with eggs are we. You are completely ignoring the fact that the Pixel 5 was a midrange device that is not as powerful as the Pixel 4 and is also lacking custom hardware such as Googles own Neural Core, it was a bog standard and somewhat overpriced SD 765G phone. A Pixel 6 should be noticeably snappier in all areas even if it doesn't live up to the 80% faster as Google claim.

As i said the 4X camera was a big draw and given that is not even on the Pixel 5 maybe there is something in your 1000x better figure after all because the 4X digital zoom on the Pixel 5 is garbage.

Even i am not deluded enough to believe 12GB of RAM was going to be of any benefit over 8GB, that's just a money grab by Google.

One last thing i haven't said it wasn't worth the money, no one bent my arm up my back to buy it, i am a big boy now and make my own choices.
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] 96carboard:
First of all, this "neural core" crap is just marketing fluff to begin with. Doesn't add up to ANYTHING.

And second, the distinction between "midrange" and "top of the top" is about 2%. Works the same with desktop CPUs. You can get a middle of the road chip for $150, and a top of the top for $1500, and its not a factor of 10 between them, its a couple of percent. That's it. Where does 80% come from? I never saw that.

Digital zoom is always going to be digital zoom. It amounts to CROPPING.
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] MrBelter:
OK fella whatever you say, you know best clearly.
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] Galaxy Princess:
Exactly THIS. I only wish I could updoot this comment more than a million times.
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] 96carboard:
I haven't played an electronic game since I was 5. To put that into proper perspective, the CPU was an 8086. Not even a "1" in there. Try again.
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] bobby janow:
Sorry, that ship has sailed. You can be found in any corner of this earth in a matter of minutes if not seconds. And... they know the credit card you used to get there or the serial number of the cash bills you used. There is no such thing as privacy any longer.

And while I'm at it, has there been any news of the March update release for the P6s?
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] roirraW "edor" ehT:
No news that I've heard of other than someone claiming they heard the 21st.
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] biggiesmalls657:
I have issues with both SIMs as my Xfinity Mobile is a physical and TMobile is an ESIM. I have tried everything except an RMA
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] Gerr1985:
WiFi toggle off issues, or other issues?
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] biggiesmalls657:
Connection issues with mobile network
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] spotmark:
Google has really screwed the pooch on this one. It's embarrassing that a "flagship" phone languishes while phones that are generations old are being updated.
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] :
Yeah we have to wait 2 more weeks but get more features than older Pixels. So what's the deal?
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] Galaxy Princess:
I don't see it that way. I used to have LG flagship phones, and if you had ever experienced how incredibly awful it was to be ignored for months and months for even a fix to a glaring problem, then you would be most understanding and appreciative that Google may take a week or two more, but inevitably want to get it right for us. I can certainly live with that.
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] jimwebb:
I agree. I had an LG (flagship) quite some time ago and wow, what a mess with no updates.
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] :
I had a couple of HTC flagships that recieved praise for timely updates which usually meant 3 month after an Android release. Even the P6P is running circles around them.
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] nednednerb:
Oh yah, my HTC Incredible S. That was my first experience with Android and rooting. For a while I went between stock and custom ROM from XDA. Ahh, I had years of ROM updates beyond HTC update schedule thanks to this community!

Right now, I tolerate the refurbished Pixel 6 Pro which replaced my first from December. Literally, my first P6P reboot randomly during the very first "device setup" and every single day afterward except for a couple while factory reset and in safe mode. I can go days without a reboot again. Each and every reboot since I got the second has been manually controlled.

I still have some bugs, but Google and Android and Pixel have to be some of the most experimental and busy software ecosystems ever. They are busy. I agree I was annoyed by other OEM's update schedules, often.

Some people (see play store reviews) HATE BEYOND MEASURE that Google can offload system performance and functions to incremental 'system app' package updates. People think non stop there are scams or maligned intentions to "Android Device Settings" getting an update or whatever. Personally, I imagine there would be even more bugs outstanding on our Pixels if Android/Pixel OS if these kinds of updates were not possible and we had to wait for the system level updates only.

Yes bugs are introduced sometimes, too, but I accept my pixel is an experimental device. When I need my phone for work, security, personal life, I don't flash. Just like I'm ALWAYS behind on MacOS updates. Pro Tools (industry standard Digital Audio Workstation) simply never "qualifies" their apps on the "latest and greatest"... I deal with many OS bugs and fewer newer features, but my professional work software is the most solid it can be.

Meaning, if you want stability, simply don't buy a phone until it's not a new device. In professional computer user land, until a device is actually tested to be sure and many updates are regulated and confirmed, devices may not be certified for rock solid stability, and many bugs should be excused, realistically.

As others have repeated, at least Google is busy working on it. Of course some feature requests and customer quality assurance issues are left unanswered. (But, a lot of people on every side can be randomly rude, so it's good to chill.)

Also, that said, if there was a possibility for Google to have done or to do more appropriate testing so that the general user base is less like a beta user base and more stable software were sent to us, that would be promotable. (Delaying a release actually seems to fit that criterion, in my opinion).

Waiting waiting, for my updates! Haha :-)
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] bobby janow:
Ridiculous arguments, sorry to say. These are not things to either flash or not, these are security updates that have to be updated. If you don't update your MacOS then you are at risk. This is not latest or greatest but security due to found exploits or breaches.

Don't buy a phone until it's not a new device? How can you even think that is a valid argument? Do you think the 13 Pro is not stable and rock solid? The battery life and network connectivity is second to none on the 12 and will be even better on the 13. Apple knows what they are doing and Google does not.

A possibility to do more testing? Busy working on it? Come on, be serious. This is, or should I say was, a flagship device that sold for $900 that users can't access wifi for nearly a month now with a kernel exploit that is in the wild. This phone is becoming a joke and Apple is laughing all the way to the bank. Google is not a hardware company and they should realize that and give it up. Please don't excuse incompetence.
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] hand-filer:
True but unlike the 6 Pro they do audio really well.
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] Galaxy Princess:
Is it aggravating? Yes. Is it fair to those who paid the $900 for the phone? No. Are there worse things in a 1st world country than waiting a few weeks for software fixes? Definitely. I totally get the rant, and if you have the Pixel 6 or the Pixel 6 Pro, you certainly deserve to rant. But if it's honestly that big of an inconvenience for you, then I would hope you would consider trading it out for a different phone.
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] bobby janow:
I am, but that is not the issue here nor is it pertinent to this discussion. Let's not conflate real world issues (you know what I'm talking about) with those of a phone. A rant is a rant without equivocation or reason outside of the subject of that rant.

Some people rely on their phone for communication to the outside world, work and social interaction. Apple and Google know that and have made sure we all subscribe to that theory and reality as well. Therefore, a phone is not merely a convenience but a necessity. If a company cannot fulfill the obligation of living up to that responsibility they need to be called out imo. If you need a working phone and you've been promised a working phone then that is what you should have. Not something that is a convenience but perhaps a lifeline. That's all I'm saying, nothing more and nothing less.
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] highdro:
It's pretty crazy how so many people are having issues with this phone. Did I really get that lucky to get one that has no problems??? Well I hate the fingerprint scanner sometimes so there's that I guess... but now that we are getting some really good custom roms such as Derpfest which has face unlock, I have zero complaints. I bought mine on launch day and I couldn't get the one that I wanted so I had to get a black 128gb google fi model. I'm using a verizon sim and connectivity has always been good. But if I were in the group of people that have had nothing but problems I wouldn't be crying about it. I would have returned or sold it and went back to my s21 ultra. So I think Google has made a solid phone and I don't regret ditching the s21 ultra.
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] hello00:
couldn't have said it any better. I have zero complaints besides the fingerprint scanner but that's minimal..