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[Google Pixel 6 Pro] roirraW "edor" ehT:
I've expressed most or all of this in other posts and using other words, but I just want to say that although I haven't had the problems others have had, including the fingerprint reader, I completely believe the people that are actually having issues.

Also, just as with everything in life, everyone who feels any particular way about the situation absolutely has the right to feel that way.

Lastly, not everyone is in a situation that allows them to just sell and buy phones however they wish. Or if they had to sell one first in order to afford to buy another, so they wouldn't even be able to use the old one until they get the new one, then that would just be an unpleasant situation. I'm not going to make assumptions about anyone's ability to buy and sell at will, and even if someone is in a position where they can do that, they absolutely have the right to feel they got the short end of the stick. Those who didn't return their phones within the short period of time they could because they were expecting all their issues to get sorted out aren't to be blamed for their phone's issues. I would think it reasonable for them to expect the issues to be sorted out post-haste.

Edit: Also, if someone's phone is messing up a lot, even when completely stock unrooted, then selling it might not necessarily work out either. It might, it might not. If using Swappa or other places, buyers have rights and if the phone isn't behaving like a phone for them, they would absolutely return the phone to the seller for their money back. It could be an awfully big gamble.
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] bobby janow:
You hit the nail on the head. Folks simply can't return the device or can't afford the hit. I've had none of the problems others have with wifi, dropped calls, and poor performance. My only issue is the abominable battery life which although annoying is livable. Not having reliable network connectivity or consistent phone success is not. Google had an incredible opportunity to cement the Pixel brand with all the great reviews before the device was in the hands of millions of users. Then the updates simply destroyed that good will. They have a couple of months and maybe 2 more updates to fix everything before people will take the monetary loss and go elsewhere. The abysmal rollout of the multiple beta channels did not help at all. I believe that well over 90% of general users have no idea how to unlock the bootloader no less install another rom. Hopefully the March update will fix all the issues and we can put this to bed.
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] nednednerb:
I stand by my argument as a technology using professional.

The real solution to "getting a rock solid device right away", if updates were known in advance it would be this problematic, would have been Google entirely postponing the release by months, to solve things in more testing. I also stand by my argument that an older device that's been live longer, will have more fixes. Like you say Bobby, you hope you get the fixes in the March update. If you were like, making your rent money on your phone being rock solid, do you really think my advice to buy an older, more tested phone is totally moot.

If you >can buy a phone 6 months after release, and the old phone is still working, and more on the rock solid side, but 6 months delay gives a more solid new phone, that doesn't make sense to you?

I'm not defending the experience I had didn't suck to have a repeat random reboot at least once a day, often 15 times a day, after a first random reboot during INITIAL setup in December. It totally sucked, and there was much confusion and work through with various Google Support reps. I didn't get my RMA til February because I hoped it would be a software update to fix it. The refurbished replacement NEVER randomly restarts as of yet.. Seems I don't even need fingers crossed.

Your battery issue might be hardware. I found 11.99 a month for preferred care, and not having the shortest return window has worked in my favour. Yes it sucks to go through a process like this, but with number of sales versus number of reports... yes, lots of bugs, but they are numerous in form for many users, and many users have not encountered those bugs. People with no battery issue never or rarely look up battery issues just to tell those users there is no issue. That's at least a little relevant. On such a thread, I see many do have the issue.

This is not arguing the issues don't matter: but having a stable phone or any tech is partly a choice of purchase time, with bugs absolutely to be expected with new releases for several months. This is "not ideal" but normal totally.
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] bobby janow:
@nednednerb If I needed to make my rent with a phone or if I needed it for safety, as a technologist I would have an iPhone. How many minutes do you think it would take Apple to fix a flaw that doesn't allow users to connect to wifi? Seconds? A security flaw that could expose your data? Even less. Do you think for one minute that Apple would release a Pixel 6? Pixel promotions touted a secure, working device. They never said to wait 6 months so we can figure out how it works. Come on be realistic, Google dropped the ball. You shouldn't excuse failure as standard operating procedure.
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] Prey521:
Yeah, I'm doing a full factory reset when the March update drops. My phone is so riddled with issues after multiple resets, if this one doesn't fix it, I'm taking it back to TMobile.
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] nednednerb:
I've had bugs on Apple products that don't go away for years, until a fix is made in the incremental bump of the NEXT major release, meaning for the old version (which STILL got an incremental bump in some cases, with no fix) means Apple doesn't necessarily fix ANYTHING in seconds. It all depends on the kind of issue.

In fact, what I argue is that I DO use my MacOS on my 2013 Mac Pro to do my daily work to provide my income, and I'd feel quite stupid to update to "latest and greatest" which is not even qualified by my pro software manufacturer. So will you now argue, "oh iphone is always rock solid but I wasn't talking about MacOS"? That would sound weak, and I'd still make the same point: old software is more tested than new software, and if you didn't expect bugs with brand new stuff, I argue the expectations are at least partially unrealistic. And the fact that old, updated software is more tested does matter here.

I totally expected many bugs, and my Pixel 6 Pro had a random reboot or 15 every single day between mid December and mid February. It still worked and made most calls. It wasn't that big an issue.

Apple provides bug fixes for more older iPhone devices than typical with Android, so the fact they are more stable also coincides with my argument as to "why" it is this way, but I clearly have a different "mood" about the result.

That said, I fully agree this release dropped many balls. I still have a different interpretation, and I'm ultimately okay with it, if the problems go away. I got an RMA for my issue, 2.5 months later, for $11 a month preferred care. Not a big deal for me
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] bobby janow:
@nednednerb Naturally, I'm not talking about little bugs, of course it depends on the severity. However, you seem to be talking about software exclusively and that is not what is at issue here. Putting aside the Apple / Google comparison for a minute, I agree that tried and true software is relatively more stable than the new releases, or as Google now says, "Beta channels" whatever were they thinking?

The immediate issue here is the Pixel 6 series not Android 12, 12L, 12.1 et.al. although that does play into it somewhat. My point was if the iPhone 13 Pro or the 12 was released and a large portion of users, no matter the software, could not access their wifi or had calls dropped in the middle of a corporate meeting then... well let's be real. They would never have released the device or they would have fixed it post haste. Too many people rely on the iPhone for business and connectivity. Pixels not so much I don't think. Every lead story would be iPhone crapped out, don't buy it. Never happen. The last thing is the confusion that seems to reign over at Google lately. I won't link the article but there is a very good synopsis over at AP currently describing the issues. It's a worth it read.

I agree with your regarding software but this is not that currently. I think a recall might be in order for those that can't make a reliable call and can't connect to wifi for the past month.
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] nednednerb:
@bobby janow

I had bad hardware, went through troubleshooting, got an RMA, and now I have very few problems.

Yes, I agree to the degree I think the device would have been better delayed entirely than released with so many bugs and needs for RMA. If they went with cheap manufacturing which is why so many varied hardware problems exist with their "experimental" hardware, that definitely leads to a bad user experience for many.

I referred to "preferred care" a few times in reference to the ease of switching my hardware out in my RMA, and how that did resolve things (in this case, for me) - I got a refurbished device, maybe my old one will get an adjustment or replacement in the Tensor chip or whatever component, and it might go out refurbished to someone else with a hardware issue RMA. I hope it doesn't just get recycled, but gets fixed and used.

I totally agree not making calls or having WiFi is definitely severe and things should have been managed differently, and they did probably hurt the brand image of the "Pixel" as flagship.

It would definitely be legitimate for Google to expedite an official easy to submit recall for all such major problems.
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] Matterhorn:
I remember some years back apple released a new phone that dropped calls constantly. I remember something about a special phone case that they were distributing so that the antenna could work. It was a hardware issue and they all had it. No manufacturer is immune.
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] roirraW "edor" ehT:
I forgot about that. I believe iPhone 4. Folks would accidentally temporarily ground the antenna by holding the case (which was the antenna) in a certain way, or something like that?

Did Apple Know About iPhone 4 Issue?

Report says engineer told Apple CEO Jobs about antenna problems, but Apple disputes the report.

abcnews.go.com
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] DanielF50:
The Snapchat "Snap at Night" feature drop is now available on the Pixel 6/Pro (QPR3 Beta 1, but might work for Feb Stable?), seems to work great - hopefully this is a step forward in allowing 3rd party apps to use the Camera2 API as previously mentioned upon A12's release.

Update:

Snapchat (11.70.0.36)

Pixel Camera services (1.0.433401302.05)

👍
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] bobby janow:
12 years ago vs 12 days ago. Is Google that far behind in the phone arena?
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] roirraW "edor" ehT:
Just like people, sometimes companies repeat mistakes or even repeat each others' mistakes. A company is just a bunch of humans (well for now still, we hope).
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] bobby janow:
But aren't people supposed to learn from their mistakes not repeat them?
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] roirraW "edor" ehT:
Yes, they are. But we are human. Not robot. Yet. :D
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] danw_oz:
99% sure its the crappy networks here, and or faulty device.

Running custom kernel and now its a lot better.
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] bobby janow:
Minor detail. ;)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] zopostyle:
Hi,

I need to develop a program that catch the dial out user event, cancel it, catch the number dialed change it by an application, and send the dial to the phone again...

I'm using windows mobile, I've already developed a program to dial out and change the number I just can't catch the event when user is dialing....

I tried using SystemState, but the event is not fired...

Any idea ??

Thanks
[Google Pixel 6] poit:
posted on Google Pixel Community just now:

"We have provided the monthly software update for March 2022. All supported Pixel devices running Android 12 will receive these software updates as part of the March 2022 update, which begins rolling out for most users today. The rollout will continue over the next week in phases depending on carrier and device. Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro devices will receive the update later this month."

And it looks like they fixed a lot of stuff too.

Bummer.
[Google Pixel 6] mosio:
Oh boy, they're taking a piss again
[Google Pixel 6] Tool Belt:
I like my P6.....but.....come on Google.......
[Google Pixel 6] poit:
Check out the long list of fixes, including fingerprint sensor performance!

https://support.google.com/pixelphone/thread/153884074?hl=en
[Google Pixel 6] kornball:
Definitely not a good look for the flagships to face repeated delays. Phone was announced nearly 5 months ago, right? Sheesh.
[Google Pixel 6] poit:
I'm guessing that there is something about the Tensor chip that's slowing down the software build process. Note that all the other Pixels have a build number of SP2A.220305.12, the Pixel 6 and Pro have SP2A.220305.013.A3.
[Google Pixel 6] vandyman:
Here we go again with the crying and whining. 😭

Gas prices are what you should be crying about.
[Google Pixel 6] a g bell:
This is why l came back from OnePlus to get timely updates 🫣
[Google Pixel 6] a g bell:
Think your on the wrong forum my friend this one is for phone's😱 Not for energy prices
[Google Pixel 6] znel52:
Yeah all the other SOCs are Qualcomm and we essentially have an exynos. But they should have the bugs ironed out by now. I understood at first but it is getting to the point where it is unacceptable. Tensor was supposed to improve updates not hinder them.
[Google Pixel 6] a g bell:
Sorry you find that offensive l will edit my post. In my country the UK it doesn't mean the same thing
[Google Pixel 6] vandyman:
I am from the US. A mate is a girl friend, a wife.

Mate means screwing your partner.

So you can understand better, what do animals do when they pair up?
[Google Pixel 6] poit:
Sigh.......

Anyone know if the March update will bring us 12L?
[Google Pixel 6] a g bell:
Yes it is 12L if l am not mistaken
[Google Pixel 6] a g bell:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1500907414845022208

A friend just shared this with me
[Google Pixel 6] poit:
Might be, since all the other pixels are on a 4.x kernel. Only the Pixel 6 and Pro are on a 5.x kernel

"

Kernel update to 4.9.292 for Pixel 3a & Pixel 3a XL.

Kernel update to 4.14.257 for Pixel 4, Pixel 4 XL & Pixel 4a.

Kernel update to 4.19.220 for Pixel 4a (5G), Pixel 5 & Pixel 5a (5G).

Kernel update to 5.10.66 for Pixel 6 & Pixel 6 Pro.

"
[Google Pixel 6] bobby janow:
Nah we'll be fine. A little OT never hurts as long as it doesn't get out of hand. I don't think this will.
[Google Pixel 6] a g bell:
Dam l hate the xda app now it's such a nightmare to use, nothing like the old days.
[Google Pixel 6] bobby janow:
Agree. I usually need to get on my computer to respond accordingly.
[Google Pixel 6] Notor1ouS-:
people should finally SHUT UP.

its delayed and still coming this month.

ever had a xiaomi/oneplus/huawei? you need to wait 6-12 months for a possible update.
[Google Pixel 6] nutzfreelance:
i wish android 12l was an option, not required in the update.

the pixel 6 is not a tablet although the pro might need it.
[Google Pixel 6] vandyman:
I want to apologize to everyone in this thread for my behavior.

Just remember not all people speak the same English language.

Android 12L is a placebo for the Pixel 6.

12L makes your P6 the size of a tablet. Lol..
[Google Pixel 6] mojorisin7178:
My signal was crap after the first update. 5hen I downloaded 12L beta 3 and it was fine all last month then 5h8s weekend it all of a sudden got crappy again. I only go to 9ne place and that's work and home and my reception is atrocious since Saturday. Maybe a Verizon issue idk
[Google Pixel 6] mojorisin7178:
Oh I didn't even think about that I 5hought 7t had something to do with tensor too.
[Google Pixel 6] bobby janow:
Maybe it's carrier services? I was on 12L and it was great for a while. Then it started the same downhill spiral and I started over with Feb 2nd update. It's been marginally better.. Are you on beta carrier?
[Google Pixel 6] bobby janow:
@vandyman Pay no attention to the nonsense. Btw, my wife just got the update on her P5

and it's 392MB! Must be a ton of fixes and perhaps feature drops.
[Google Pixel 6] mojorisin7178:
You know I didn't even think of that. That's why I post here. Someone is bound to think of something I didn't. I am on 5he beta carrier services. And when I went to the play store listing to check I noticed an update. So I just updated it and we will.see if it gets any better. In fact there was an update like 3 days ago right around when i started having problems so that was probably it
[Google Pixel 6] Logix:
Thread cleaned dont ever bring politics in this forum its about cellphones. Please follow the rules and stay on topic.
[Google Pixel 6] bobby janow:
I was on the beta for a while then I got off it. One day the network was great then the next day another update and it was no good. So I decided to unregister and just see how the stable performed. It was just as good if not better. Just got a stable update tonight too so we'll see.
[Google Pixel 6] mojorisin7178:
So from what I read 12L is basically a feature drop. So does that mean that all the pixels that support it are getting it this month? Can anyone confirm that?
[Google Pixel 6] mojorisin7178:
So you got the 12L stable? I 5houfht it said pixel 6 are getting it later. I'm not getting any updates tonight. I usually get them around 3pm Eastern time. Which I think is 1pm pacific time which is what Google would go by because they are on the west coast. I saw that 12L stable was coming out today but I'm a little confused. Is 12L stable basically the feature drop? Like is everyone with a eligible pixel getting 12L as the march feature drop.and security patch?
[Google Pixel 6] Nightf0x_007:
thinking of jumping to the 12L (12.1) build this month, will it wipe my device or do i need to ? is magisk canary working there stable like the regular 12 ?
[Google Pixel 6] vandyman:
Are there any links to these rumors or is these statements just a wish list?
[Google Pixel 6] Lughnasadh:
It's clearly written in the rules.

2.4 Personal attacks, racial, political and / or religious discussions: XDA is a discussion forum about certain mobile phones. Mobile phones are not racial, political, religious or personally offensive and therefore, none of these types of discussions are permitted on XDA.
[Google Pixel 6] android_dan:
Kind of hard to understand what he's talking about having deleted multiple post. When I read his post I assumed you guys really took this thread off the rails after I left yesterday. I did notice he deleted my post telling the guy he was being a little touchy. All in all his threats of banning people does seem over the top given what I saw.
[Google Pixel 6] vandyman:
The post above yours says it all.

It is best to just continue with the topic of the thread title.

XDA does not want this to be a social media site.

If you even try to post a link to a social media site you will get the boot.

As to how long a person has been a member here, does not mean a thing. I have seen long time members that can not do a basic search, do not know the rules, and starting a new thread on topics that already have a thread on that topic.

Sorry for the off topic rant. Just trying to help you understand the issues.
[Google Pixel 6] a g bell:
All that explains is your opinion of which realty isn't relevant to the topic in this thread. Please explain where in the post your refer to it mentions anything in my post which was deleted ?

Sorry for the off topic rant l am just trying to understand what's been misinterpreted here🤔
[Google Pixel 6] bobby janow:
The thread definitely went OT a little (ok a lot) but I do believe it was well under control with some lively discussion among some of us that are pretty much friends here. We were also basically winding it down and bringing it back around to the tired topic of how we all were disappointed in the delay. It's like every month we have to wonder if there will be another delay.

IIRC what happened was that someone came on and with all caps and promoted political views regarding a former president and that was the straw. I would have liked to see that post deleted rather than taking a hatchet to a thread that perhaps required a scalpel. But I'm sure they have a job to do so we just have to live with it. I have a feeling multiple complaints went reported and thus here we are. We live to fight another day.

And to get back on topic, has anyone heard if there is a date for the update to be released. I saw that it was a kernel security issue that popped up at the last second and hopefully this week it can be released. But then I also saw the 17th or something like that.
[Google Pixel 6] Lughnasadh:
Can't answer the when, but yesterday Google confirmed to someone that the kernel security issue (Dirty Pipe) was not the reason for the delay.
[Google Pixel 6] deusfaux:
D

Don't capitulate to ignorance. This forum is international and that guy can get an education
[Google Pixel 6] vandyman:
No. She is a long time member here.

So that makes her smarter than you.

A least that is what am getting out of this...
[Google Pixel 6] TNSMANI:
MOD ACTION:

Thread closed since no useful purpose is being served by keeping it open, in view of the comments of late. Please be on topic wherever you post and avoid off topic posts.

Thank you.
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] roirraW "edor" ehT:
https://www.xda-developers.com/march-2022-android-security-update/
[Touch HD General] Dhorst:
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In the Nederlands!:)

For the Dutchies:

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Good luck;)

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[Touch HD General] terra65:
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At pdashop.nl € 629 incl vat & shipping
[Touch HD General] gogol:
Gefeliciteerd! :)

Dont forget to make a review ;) Especially test the GPS lag ...

Bedank!
[Touch HD General] XenoV:
Tnx, just ordered mine, should arrive tomorrow :-)
[Touch HD General] NeedAPhone:
None of these ship abroad. Correct?
[Touch HD General] utvol06:
yeah, please let us know if it has any GPS lag.
[Touch HD General] apap:
Let us know if the shop ships abroad....
[Touch HD General] Dhorst:
Sorry, the pdashop.nl does not ship.

If I see a website who can I will let you know!

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[Touch HD General] prospects:
in stock in Montreal www.pdaplaza.ca i will get mine tyomorow