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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] nikagl:
Hi Benn,

Thanks for the headsup on KaiserTweakXML (although it has died a silent death since Advanced Config 3.x).

Yes, my issue is also mostly caused directly after talking using my BlueTooth nav. My phone is actually always set to vibrate (set to my 3x vibrate then ring profile, using KaiserTweak/AdvancedConfig). I've also used a new tool called VAlert (very cool, makes it possible to create vibration profiles that run when phone is set to Vibrate and Ring).

I'll soon upgrade my phone to the latest WM6.1 ROM I can find and stop using vibrate for a while... Sounds to good to be true, but maybe vibrate causes it in combination with BlueTooth.

As mentioned before I think there's more issues than just the ones caused by BlueTooth and/or Vibrate...(as some people mention not to use BlueTooth at all)...

Regards,

Nika.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] BennTech:
I get absolutely no sound. Anything that has to do with sound stops working. None of my system sounds work--no beeps, alerts, music, etc.. When people call, I can't hear them and they can't hear me. Vibrate doesn't work either. Hence, calls appear to go straight to Voicemail, although the phone actually activates when receiving a call, and thus if my phone is visible, I see it ringing, sometimes know the no sound problem is present. However, I think I recall Bluetooth audio still works. I'll test this if I can, but don't much time today. Also, I seem to recall long ago a few times the phone rang audibly, but when I answered, our call had no sound for either party. But I could just be delusional. :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] nikagl:
I think my vibrate still works even though calls are silent (two way) after I pick them up (they do not go to my voicemail). It is only fixed by restarting the phone...

Regards,

Nika.

PS. Good luck with your work, here it's the end of the day, only 7 hours before new yet :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] denco7:
My symptoms have nothing to do with Bluetooth, I never use it.

When a call comes in the phone rings/vibrates if I don't answer it, it goes to voicemail. If I answer it ( on silent call occasions ) it stops ringing the phone shows connect, the people on the other side hear the ringing stop but then hear silence,as do I on my end. After that, no calls with sound in or out ,even though on both I get a connection indication.

Normal operation requires a soft reset. I will try not using vibrate for a few days to see what happens.

Whats the matter Nika , a year old 6.0 rom not cutting it for you ? :)

Any silent calls during your downgrade at all ? Any bad behaviour ?

The best thing about Kaiser tweaks was the "advised" notations included in each setting.When I was a noob with this phone (over a year ago......has it been that long?)and had no idea what the settings were, I just set everything to advised and the phone worked great until I learned more about what the settings did. Adv. Conf. needs this help for noobs.

Again, thanks for your experiment and Happy New Year. (In 11 hrs here ) East Coast U.S.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] BennTech:
Not nearly as helpful as hoped...

Well, messed with this for about an hour today even though I didn't have the time. At first I couldn't reproduce the problem, despite testing my "reproduce at will" steps several times last night and this morning before posting. Then finally got it to fail again. Been dumping registry the whole time. Sadly, I see nothing in the registry of glaring significance. Still a few registry differences I need to research, but I doubt they will be fruitful and will have to wait until next week anyway.

Happy New Year everybody! Maybe the new year will be kinder to us.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] BennTech:
Additional thread may help some

Also, the thread I was looking for is the Unexplained volume drop to zero. Not as helpful as I remember. It's not the same (their sound can be restored manually while ours only restores after a reset and mutes mic, too), but it might help some no sound sufferers.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jpcrailjr:
Interesting....

Yesterday, after posting here I had one more "silent" call. Turned the phone off for my flying and then used it several times after landing with no issues.

Turned it off again this morning to fly home and back on again in Chicago for the drive on. Turned on the Bluetooth for the drive home and made a call. No problems.

Then, magically with absolutely NO interaction from me with the phone, Bluetooth headset, or anything else, my Bluetooth headset is disconnected from the phone!?!? I check the Comm Manager, and sure enough, the Bluetooth is turned OFF! Huh? So I turn it back on wondering how it could turn itself off.... :confused:

Amazingly enough, about 1 1/2 hours later as I was taking the exit for home I got the tones in the earpiece that the Bluetooth was disconnected. At the first stoplight I checked the Comm Manager and sure enough, Bluetooth was off again! :confused:

There is a Gremlin in this phone and it is playing with my mind....

Now off to try to reproduce the problem.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jpcrailjr:
Sigh....

When *I* did this, calling my cell phone from my landline created this problem:

Phone vibrates only, even when sound is on. No ring tone whatsoever.... No announcement in the Bluetooth headset from Voice Command, however I had voice in the call.

Turned off Bluetooth. Turned Sound to Vibrate and back to on. No announcement on phone, no ringtone, and vibration only but still voice in the call. System and Ring volumes were set to zero!

Soft reset Tilt, called phone again and system and ring volumes were still set to 0.... Had to manually reset ring and system volumes. Also, somehow, Bluetooth was still on!

Boy, I am struggling with all of this. I had to do way too much manual resetting after a soft reset.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] virusv69:
fyi, i was having this issue back on page one with L26_KaiserTouch_V1_M2D. I reverted to my L26 Diamond v12 rom, and about a month ago to Garmin DK61. Both using radio 1.58.25.17 and I havent had a problem since I switched roms

ps I do occasionally use a bluetooth earpiece and still have not had any issues since i switched my rom back.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] nikagl:
Well, it looks like we still have nothing to go on. Yesterday I've reinstalled all my applications (still on WM6.0) and this morning the phone seems ok. Please note that pairing my BlueTooth always gives me some trouble when doing it the first time after a new ROM (or hardreset). Many disconnects, soft-reboots, hanging in BlueTooth, soft-reset again, etc., and finally it pairs ok. This has been the same in every ROM so far, never bothered to mention till I've had it this morning and thought it might be worthy to mention.

Also, accessed my (empty ;)) voicemail again this morning several times, without a problem. But then I haven't had any (vibrating) call yet, so will try this afternoon too where I'll ask some people to call me :)

Regards,

Nika.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jpcrailjr:
Interesting

Fascinating. I might have to try flashing the L26 ROM. Stuff to think about next week week when I have some time off at home to play with this more.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jpcrailjr:
Voice Command?

OK, now I'm wondering, after seeing Microsoft Voice Command causing volume issues on other threads, do all of us have MSVC installed?

I know I do, and I do enjoy being able to say "Call Home" and getting the phone to call who I need to, but if it is making the phone dysfunctional, then a little enjoyment isn't worth the pain.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] nikagl:
Hmmm... thought I had answered already, but must have closed the screen without submitting... Well here's some more observations:

* No I don't use Voice Command - although I've had plenty of ROMs which has it. Current WM6.0 ROM has Cyberon Voice Speed Dial...

* I've used my phone several times today, also with my bluetooth nav. No issues other than the phone not being able to find the nav for about 2 minutes after each call

* Phone is set to Ring Type "Increase Ring" and I use VAlert with the default vibrate script

* I also use another cool app, called Touch Response, which vibrates for a second when touching the screen

* The current ROM is still a very old WM6.0, but honestly has most I'd ever need. I've installed all stuff using cab's, like the TouchDual dialer, M2D, Opera, TomTom, etc. It lacks threaded SMS, has a minor issue when clicking videos in M2D (stays blank) and I miss the Opal dialer just a little which doesn't work with the old ROMs...

Hope this helps, but I honestly think WM6.0 (or the older radio) is more stable. I haven't had my biggest issue: silent calls after disconnecting BlueTooth from my nav.

Regards,

Nika.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jpcrailjr:
Not a good day....

The issue was back in "spades" last night and today. I've soft reset the Tilt at least three times.

I'm willing to dump and dig through registries, but I don't have the slightest idea of where to start looking, and for what. I'm guessing that making a registry backup would be how you "dump" it, and I'm able to do that and open the registry with TCM and look at values, but I have no idea what the values might mean, or what they should be, let alone which ones to look at....

I know very little about the mysteries of ROM/Radio interaction and where settings might live besides in the registry. I've got 5 days off starting Monday and I can dig away looking for changes and researching for at least part of each of those days. I don't really want to go back to 6.0 as I do use threaded SMS quite a bit. There has to be a solution to this and I'll give my time to help everyone out. Having a phone you can't talk on at random times is not really having a mobile phone.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] nikagl:
It's still looking good on my phone. Btw, there's a threaded message predecessor for WM6.1 (if that's the only thing keeping you on WM6.1), from Palm, ripped by Shogunmark:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=319899

Here's some screenshots from another forum:

I was having some trouble with memory (never had that with the custom ROMs on WM6.1), so installed some stuff on my SDCard...

Regards,

Nika.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jpcrailjr:
Thanks!!

I downloaded that program just in case I decide to to go back to 6.0.

Threaded SMS isn't the only issue. I use the Opal dialer also. There are a lot of compatibility issues I'm going to have to research, like which versions of HTC Home are compatible, getting weather to work with my hometown and others. I really didn't find this forum until I was searching for 6.1 ROMs form the Tilt, and 6.1 has been my focus.

I'm wondering/hoping that perhaps a whole new ROM/radio flash might help. The more I use my current Polaris radio, the more I discover reception problems with it. There is a earlier post about flashing a L26 ROM that seems to fix the problem.

I've really got my Tilt in a configuration software/ROMwise that I like except for this major glitch.

Oh the decisions.... :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] denco7:
All your programs and such should work with 6.0, I have come across very little that was written specifically for 6.1 because ( hopefully) it won't be around long.

I am following with great interest, Nika's success with 6.0, there is not much in 6.1 I am going to miss.

I would say not getting your phone calls is a lot bigger problem than missing your favorite theme or dialer.:)

Oh crap, while I was writing this at my desk, I got an incoming call and yes it was silent again:confused:

I guess I will have go through the Spl procedure, with Nika to go back down to 6.0 again.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] nikagl:
Two comments:

I haven't done anything with SPL other than flashing the SPL mentioned in Bengalih Raw Roms section at his forum (http://rapidshare.com/files/158172847/SPL3.34.zip) when I started his ROMs. With the downgrade to 6.0 I simply downloaded the ROM mentioned in my sig, and flashed it, after which I started the install of my apps (through Sashimi)

The Opal dialer does not work, but the DualTouch dialer does, which provides almost the same functionality (just not the slide to unlock features). The long press endkey and startkey also seem not to work, although I haven't spent much time in trying to debug it ;). My biggest issue is lack of memory, because the ROM doesn't seem to be very optimized... maybe I should try a newer 6.0 ROM, like Dutty's which many people really liked, but I think my wife already wonders whether I'm having an affair playing around with my phone all the time :D

Regards,

Nika.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] denco7:
No need to use Jump spl to facilitate the spl that is included with the original carrier rom ?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] nikagl:
I have heard you need to do that, but I didn't. Might mean I am still on the original SPL installed when I first started ROM upgrading...I don't think I've ever installed a new SPL (other than the one mentioned in the BRR forum) and/or used JumpSPL...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] nikagl:
Hi all,

One more issue I had was when getting out of the car or disconnecting BlueTooth from my nav-system (either by toggling it in the nav, or in the phone), the call would stay silent. I've tried this today, with WM6.0, and didn't have the issue! The call continued on the phone, like I would expect it to do...

My issue with the call going to my phone after a conversation, I've also created a very workable fix. Initially my workaround was toggling BlueTooth in the CommManager. Now I toggle BlueTooth with one click through a MortScript I've created that uses Vijay555's VJVolubis. Here's the code (and attached):

BlueToothOFF+ON.mscr

# Turn Bluetooth OFF and ON again
# By Nika Gerson Lohman (nikagl @ xda-developers.com)
# Release Date: 06-01-2008
#
# Make sure VJVolubis (http://www.vijay555.com/?Releases:VJVolubilis) is installed:
# http://www.vijay555.com/vj/releases/vjvolubilis/vjvolubilis.cab
#
# Thanks to:
# George Merlocco of protogenlabs.com for his original Xperia X1 Bluetooth Always ON Script
# VJay555 for his VJVolubilis
# XDA-Developers.com for the forum!!
#

# Turn BlueTooth OFF
Run("\program files\vijay555\vjvolubilis\vjvolubilis.exe"," -blueoff")

# Wait 10 seconds...
Sleep(10000)

# Turn BlueTooth ON
Run("\program files\vijay555\vjvolubilis\vjvolubilis.exe"," -blueon")

If you want status messages you can add the -status switch to the script:

BlueToothOFF+ON-debug.mscr

# Turn Bluetooth OFF and ON again
# By Nika Gerson Lohman (nikagl @ xda-developers.com)
# Release Date: 06-01-2008
#
# Make sure VJVolubis (http://www.vijay555.com/?Releases:VJVolubilis) is installed:
# http://www.vijay555.com/vj/releases/vjvolubilis/vjvolubilis.cab
#
# Thanks to:
# George Merlocco of protogenlabs.com for his original Xperia X1 Bluetooth Always ON Script
# VJay555 for his VJVolubilis
# XDA-Developers.com for the forum!!
#

# Turn BlueTooth OFF
Run("\program files\vijay555\vjvolubilis\vjvolubilis.exe"," -blueoff -status")

# Wait 10 seconds...
Sleep(10000)

# Turn BlueTooth ON
Run("\program files\vijay555\vjvolubilis\vjvolubilis.exe"," -blueon -status")

I've added this script to be started when long-pressing my PTT switch...

Regards,

Nika.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jpcrailjr:
SPL Change

Ok, I'm going to slowly make some changes to my phone: the SPL, the Radio, and the ROM.

I just flashed JockyW's Hard SPL 3.56. It is my understanding that 3.56 came with the Tilt in 6.1. So, maybe this will be fix I need. If not, I'm going to go back to a Kaiser/AT&T Radio and see if that works, and finally, last but not least, a different windows 6.1 ROM (Likely 3.29.DK.22) and failing that, then reverting back to 6.0.

I'm on grand baby watch for my first grand child, so it looks like I may not have the time free this week I expected, but I'll try to keep on searching for a SPL/ROM/Radio combo that works in 6.1.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] nikagl:
Well, sounds a very good plan (I'm impressed that you're doing it step by step, that way we may know what actually causes it). While playing with the new script I created I had my first silent call since two weeks. This may have been caused by something else we need to keep in mind, and you might want to try this too, before doing all your tests:

The VJVolubis tool also has an option to turn on/off the Audio Gateway Audio and Control channels. I never use A2DP (ie. play music over BlueTooth) and have therefore never played with it. Maybe my WM6.0 ROM has this turned off and most WM6.1 ROMs have it turned on? Might be worth to try...I'll play around with it with my latest friend: the WM6.0 ROM ;)

Regards,

Nika.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jpcrailjr:
I Do Listen To Music

I do occasionally use the phone as an MP3 player. I haven't noticed call problems after using it as one. I do know that the problem occurs without using the phone as an MP3 player. I've had the problem without using Bluetooth for anything, so I'm not sure it is Bluetooth related, but what do I know? :D The interaction of SPL/ROM/Radio is a mystery to me, but I suspect if we ever find out what is causing this, I will have a bit of the mystery cleared up.

I've already flashed the SPL and will let it go for a couple of days (probably actually until the problem happens again) and will report back.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] nikagl:
Hmmm... still think it's to do with multiple causes, because in my case it's 100% the Bluetooth. Do you use specific applications?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jpcrailjr:
So far....

....so good.

After flashing JockyW's 3.56 Hard SPL, the phone got heavy use yesterday. Calls, SMS, MMS and Wi-Fi and no problems. I did not use Bluetooth at all, for calling or for music. That will be today's experiment.

Oh yes, I am now a proud grandfather now! My first granddaughter Lilly was born at 3:07 AM, and the labor was a source of a good many SMS/MMS/and calls. My phone probably won't see that kind of use again for quite some time. :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] nikagl:
Gratz, Jim! Hope the mother is doing well too (daughter or daughter-inlaw?) :)!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jpcrailjr:
Thanks!

Both are doing great! Baby is in great shape. My daughter-in-law is tired but proud and finally sleeping. My son on the other hand doesn't know if he ought to be proud, scared, or both and at last count was trying to sleep in rocker in the hospital room with mom and baby.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] denco7:
Using the birth of your new grand daughter for a phone experiment ???? Welcome to the addiction.:D

No really, Congratz on the new addition to the familly, :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jpcrailjr:
Yep!

Took a lot of courage to flash that new SPL knowing my daughter-in-law was headed to hospital! (Yeah, addicted is the word.) :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jpcrailjr:
Maybe....

So far this morning I have used my landline to call my phone multiple times. I have used my Bluetooth Blue Ant ear piece to make and receive calls (Called voicemail, received calls from my landline) and used my Motorola Headset to listen to music, make and receive calls while listening to music, and used Microsoft Voice Command with both the earpiece and headset. I have turned Bluetooth off and on multiple times and just called my Tilt from the landline again with no problems!

I am going to Sync/charge the tilt as the battery is down to about 23% and see if that has any effect. There have been no soft resets since the SPL flash 24 hours ago.

This is feeling more like an SPL issue to me. I was using 3.29 with 6.1, and I am pretty certain 3.56 shipped with the official 6.1 ROM on the Tilt. I do know that for the last 24 hours since I flashed JockyW's 3.56 SPL my phone seems a lot happier.

Of course this is early in the game I am playing....

I'll keep everybody informed as to the progress, but I suspect I will be at the hospital quite a bit today! :D That may hamper my opportunity to post.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] denco7:
My problems started when I flashed the Official AT$T Tilt 6.1 Rom HTC spl and all. So for me it is not a matter of a non-official spl.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jpcrailjr:
Interesting

Upon reflection I didn't have the problem until after I flashed 3.29 SPL to put a different ROM on. Heck, I didn't know there was a problem until I saw this thread and realized at about the same time that I was having calls that didn't have sound on a frequent basis.

So far, with the 3.56 SPL, I'm doing good. More than 33 hours and no problems except when I locked up the entire phone by using Bluetooth, streaming music, and making multiple calls using MSVC. The MSVC seemed to cause the lockup when it didn't close correctly after ending a call. I couldn't get it to run again, and tried calling the phone and the notification screen came up that I had a call and that was it, no noise, no nothing and no buttons worked. Soft reset was the only answer. It recovered correctly and not a problem since even though I am doing everything I did before to get a silent call.

Heck, I even had GPS and Google Maps running with Bluetooth and MSVC and not a problem until I intentionally pushed the limits of the phone in a way that I never would really use it. I'm still trying to get the silent calls to occur, but so far this is working. I have turned on vibrate in the ringer as of a couple of hours ago. I'll keep pushing the phone and report the results!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jpcrailjr:
So Far....

54 hours and no problems after flashing 3.56 SPL with a 6.1 ROM on AT&T. I won't consider this a "fix" until I travel for work this weekend to Chicago, Aruba, the Hartford, Connecticut area and Dulles, Virgina. I will be checking the phone each place and hope the problem fails to repeat itself.

If it works through this weekend with no "silent" calls, I'm willing to publish this as fix.

I'm betting if this keeps going like it has for me, that 6.1 ROMs on AT&T require 3.56 and the rest of the world might require a 3.28/3.29 SPL with 6.1. I suppose it is possible that 3.56 might work with the rest of the world, but I know 3.56 was AT&T specific and I think 3.29 is HTC provided.

I have asked another participant on this thread to flash 3.56 from 3.29 on AT&T to see if this fixes the problem he has which is similar to what I had. He agreed and will post his results.

Good luck everybody. I will certainly be very happy if I can put this frustrating issue behind me, and hopefully find an answer for everybody else!