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[Touch Pro, Fuze General] cribeiro:
Touch Pro lag test updated with Eten M800, Holux 236 and Tytn II

I have tryed all ROMs and tweaks in Touch Pro to solve the lag problem. Some tweaks help to reduce the lag, but not to solve the problem. For me the tweak of using Com 5 is the one with best results, I don't understand why. In this moment, I'm using ROM DCS v15 and radio ...28.

I have a Touch Pro, an Eten M800 with a very good Sirf Star III GPS receiver, a Sirf Star III external GPS receiver Holux 236 (also a very good GPS receiver) and a Tytn II.

I put my Touch Pro (TP) and my Eten M800, both with Tomtom 7, side by side, running in the car, driving at about 60Km/h. I observed that Touch Pro has a lag of 1sec in time in the voice instructions and 5 to 20m of distance in the map.

Next I put Touch Pro receiving the GPS signal from Holux 236 using bluetooth, not using internal GPSOne receiver.

Again I put Touch Pro and M800 running TT7 side by side. Now, Touch Pro has no lag; the information (voice instructions and map information) coming from both PDAs are exactly in synchronism.

Next I put my Tytn II and M800 running TT7 at same time. I begin walking. M800 takes 3m to show my speed (about 6Km/h) and Touch Pro and Tytn II take 20 to 30m to show my speed. I stop until TP and Tytn II show 0 Km/h; I wait stopped 2 sec and begin again walking - after 5 meters TP and Tytn II show the speed. I stop more than 30sec - I will need to walking again 30m to get the speed in TP and Tytn II.

As Tytn II is a GPSOne, this test seems to confirm that this problem is coming from GPSOne technology.

I drive at 60km/h side by side M800 and Tytn II; Tytn II is precise like M800; it has no lag.

So I guess that the lag problem in TP is coming from its GPSOne internal receiver or its driver, not from any ROM or from Windows mobile or from tweaks, as Tytn II has no lag and also is a GPSOne.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] dolezelk:
Let's all return our phones

Let's all return our phones to HTC to see what happens !

GPS bug is very stupid and it is HTC's fault.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thecrow5:
GPS Test 1.04 problem

Hy Guys

I don´t understand my raphael.

I`ve installed the new rom/radio ROMeOS1.23WWE and 1.02.25.28 to avoid the gps problem.

- First I installed the XDA JCEspi2005 GPS Lag Fix Raphael

- and the App. GPS Test Version 1.04.

- Set in TomTom6 other Nmea, Com4 and 38400 baut

- used also the method 2 from the beginning this mail

one times I get the GPS-signal but now i lost the signal.

GPS Test found the satellit but show the yellow dot with "GPS Starting up"

Any idea?

Ciao thecrow
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] cyrusvn:
Hi there,

Thanks for your method 1, it works like a charm for me. I got 5-6 satellites around 20s and after 3 mins I got 7 satellites. The lag now seems next to nothing.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] danielherrero:
I ve tried latest IGO8 with Xperia X1. Fix in a few seconds and no LAG. As the Chipset is very similar I suppose there is a hidden problem in the GPS drivers of TP and Diamond....
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Mr.Panda:
Just my test results

First time post, just hoping to help out.

I have Touch Pro and a TomTom 910 Go

STOCK ROM 190.861.7 WWE

Hacked IPL

Radio = 1.02.25.28

Australia - Receiving consistent 8 - 11 satellites on both device.

Applied both methods, After trying method one, i soft reset and applied method 2, the results to me prove very similar.

*note both devices are using the same maps and TomTom Software.

Result compare to my TomTom 910, The voice instruction was delayed by about one second compared to my 910; which was almost in sync (very good), however the screen movement was a bit off, about estimated 15 to 20 meters to that of my 910 which was accurately parallel to the streets. Delayed on turning streets compared to the 910 was about 3 seconds delay to recognize which street i have entered, but besides that this is much improvement from my HTC stocked radio .19 which lagged.

bottom line. just abit of delay, with the methods applied i was able to get a pretty accurate visual and if i have the voice guide on, i am able to get pretty much the expected results.

As i am little experienced in phones i have a question, my phone is sim locked to Three, i have recently unlocked it, my question is if i was wanted to hard reset it, would it revert me to default factory and would it in turn lock my phone back to its original state? any replies or questions would be appreciated/or happy to answer.

-Thank you
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] pajaa:
Hi,

will you be so kind to carefully observe display information about speed,

when you stopped by your car(not pedestrian) it has to show speed=0 after max 1-2 sec, if you have more the problem with gps still exists.

Regards
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] danielherrero:
Hi.

1-2 seconds when I stop. My Omnia is 0-0.5 and the performance is the best¡. But when I am passing cross or a bridge the cursor is just there in X1, not 10-20 meters behind like my TP...

but maybe the difference is the new IGO. Anyway, today and yesterday I ve used the car and havent notice lag (or very very little) and It makes me happy :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Don_Zakaria:
Before:

1. a lag of almost 30 meters

2. a fix in a couple of minutes

After: (installed the cab, changed the settings to nmea + a baudrate of 38000)

1. no lag

2. a fix in a couple of seconds

i am using the stock rom of tmobile an i didn't believe my eyes it's much accurate than it was before, i'll try it some more times to be sure i wasn't dreaming ;)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Pezjik:
Thanks, this thread fixed my problems!

I had the problem where I was never getting any GPS lock in TT, GM or GPS Test.

Flashed to new Radio and put all the settings in TT. At first it did not find anything, so I started GPS Test and after a while I got a lock on 8 satellites.

Now both TT and GM work perfectly, so thanks again!:D
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] danielherrero:
Hi

Lag has appeared right now(2-3 seconds). I ve seen the gps driver files and have the same name like Touch Pro ones so the problem is here too but much smaller. I ve applied the registry tweaks (log files, etc) restarted and again NO lag. Tomorrow I will continue testing. The only device I ve right now with perfect gps performance is Omnia. probably because samsung owns qualcomm and will create good gps drivers. So htc tried to create their own video drivers por kaiser and their gps drivers for diamond and they did their job very bad.

Dani
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] speed200:
Anyone have tried out the TIR Team Rom?

So far all the people who use it don't have no more GPS issues.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ennepi:
I had the T.I.R v8 ROM but I had problems! :( I moved back to the original 1.90 and i'll try to test Gps in next days with TT and iGO! Maybe it was my TP (I bought it used and I don't know what the person who owned it did before) but the GPS was damning bad!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] speed200:
The GPS was bad with TIR V8 rom?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ennepi:
Mine was bad but I had the *.19 radio in that time (not *.28 or *.32).
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sndtubes:
Help with Sprint version please! I am unsure whether I should flash the radio. It is unclear to me if the radio firmware is just for the GPS or the entire phone. I have applied the GPS tweak cab file with only limited success. There is still a 3 second delay. So could someone please advise.

Thanks!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] onderduiker:
I thought give it a try.......let's send an email to HTC support for an answer about the gps lag.

Here is the answer:

Hello,

Unfortunately that issue is not a known issue at the moment. However, we are gathering as much data as we can to see if there is something we might do later on. If we think it is necessary we will work on it to see if there is something to fix.

:(:(
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ennepi:
Are they awake or what? :confused: Where do they live? :confused:
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ferus:
I thought I just post my experience with PGS on TP...

With my stock ROM and TT7 I noticed the well known 50m lag. The fix was never an issue, I always got it in about 1-2 minutes (which is OK for me).

I did apply som registry tweaks mentioned in another post + I modified the GPS settings via AC3.3 (removeing the GPS log etc...).

This however did not make much difference.

As I'm not very experienced with WM devices (TP is my first) I am quite reluctant to flash anything so far... So I only installed the GPS Tweaks.cab included in this thread.

I must say the fix is now under 30 seconds and during the short trip to work it seemed to me that the lag was reduced to about 5 metres (which is acceptable). But I need to test it a bit more.

When I stopped the speed dropped to 0km/h in about 3-4 seconds. The voice navigation is flawless (but it was before as well).

Just my experience....
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] onderduiker:
If this thing is fixed, I think we can say the problem is fixed........till than I think we have a lag in our device.

But what frustrate me is the that the "HTC support" tells me that there is no problem...................so we can conclude that no one is working on our problem :confused: (or they will/can not do anything about it)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ferus:
Well, as I said before - on my particluar device the GPS seems to be working because the voice navigation is flawless (I compared it with my colleague's Mio which is working great). They both were announcing turns at once, the only thing was that the position on the 3D screen was behind.

I think this might be a video driver issue? Although this can be said only for my device. I can see people with other problems as well.

Anyway, after installing GPS Tweaks I find the TP performing better (almost acceptable in every way ;-) )
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] pajaa:
Agree,

Regards
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] chiel54:
I don't have any problems with getting a fix (<25 sec) om my device with stock ROM, but I do have a 2 sec lag (about 20 meters while driving at 50 km/h). What popped in my mind during driving is that the voice is right on time. We are searching for a solution in the GPS signal, but couldn't the problem be just the display of the graphics of the Touch Pro?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] danielherrero:
We could try one test. Install GPSGate on the device to send the signal to igo8/tomtom in the pda and to a umpc (with GPSgate too) with igo8 (or laptop) connected using activesync. If there isnt lag in the umpc then we ve a video problem.....
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] wildpig1234:
hmm, very interesting. i will try to confirm this ontime voice and lag display with my igo later today too. i can tell you after installing the tweak cab, my sprint touch pro is still not displayin the position correct... l(
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] paulyluca:
I think I should report this.

Previously, I had installed IGO 8, vers. 8.0.0.54000. I had the tweak cab installed, and experienced some lag. Various, between 5-30 meters appr.

Now, I installed the new IGO 8, vers. 8.3.1.57021. Before that, I flashed the new ROMeOS vers. 1.40. RADIO, I use the .28 version and, again, I applied the tweak cab. And... surprise: no lag at all. GPS shows the position accurate!!!!

Only problem is still, after stopping or starting the car, it takes few secs for the GPS to react. But I can live with that...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] wildpig1234:
btw, i have a sprint phone. so my radio is like 1.03 or something like that. i don't think i can downgrade as noted at the beginning of the thread to 1.02 because that radio is for gsm right?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sndtubes:
I've asked this question at least twice and no one will answer.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] peacock93:
I believe that is correct. You do NOT want to use any GSM ROMs or Radios on a CDMA phone!! If I'm wrong I'm sure that I will be corrected.

peacock93
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] wildpig1234:
i connect a bt external gps to the tp and use that instead of the built in gps. things better than using the built in gps but it seems my gps programs (igo) still won't refresh the screen (and my position) as frequent as my old mogul. when it does, position is accurate like my mogul. but this sucks as it really need to refresh frequent when you driving fast.. so i am wondering now if this is more than just the gps and its drivers. could it be problem with video or serial communication? i also found out that the polling interval of 1000 or less with the built in gps might somehow be overwhelming my tp as beelinegps and igo show signal lock loss every minute or so for a fraction of a sec. i am currently using 1500 as the pooling interval and there;s no loss of lock. but i guess there got to be a consequence to such a long pooling interval...

anyone has the same experience? i might just exchange mine. ?defective unit?

anyone with an actual sprint phone got any kind of fix even half satisfactory?

it really sucks that they cant just copy over what's working fine on the mogul and then add on features like more ram faster cpu, better screen... wonder if they started from scratch.....
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] polkadots:
I have radio version 1.03.15F running on a Sprint phone with stock ROM...Can I still apply these GPS fixes, or do I need to "downgrade" to a lower numbered radio? I've skimmed through the thread and have not seen this covered. Thanks.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ennepi:
Of course you can try and verify if it works better than before!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] wildpig1234:
so has anyone got sprint tp gps to work satisfactorily yet?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] largeheadsmallbrain:
This is the same prob I have. Hardware and radios seem to be detecting satellites, but the software is not completing.

Any advice??
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] largeheadsmallbrain:
Just installed GPS gate. Tells me that it is receiving GPS data on COM4 but unable to determine position. Software issue??
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] del4:
GPSLockWorkaround

Anyone have any idea what the key HKCU\ControlPanel\PhoneExtendFunction\CDMA\GPSLockWorkaround is for?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] largeheadsmallbrain:
Well. Last night I was going to flash the radio/rom and any other drastic stuff to fix the GPS. But it turned out I didn't have time to.

Then this morning, on the way to work, I just switched on GPS Test just because I was bored in a traffic jam.....and it sprang to life. works perfectly!

If I had done all the Radio/ROM flashing last night, I'd now be patting myself on the back for being so clever.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] laft2k:
The key thing i have found is that in gps test you have to switch the setting to com port auto, if its set to 4 it works but nots as quick as auto, also if you have it on auto there is no lag in tomtom. Another thing worth noting is that if you minimise tomtom and then re open it the lag also dissapears. Always have to run gps test first though to get the lock quickly.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] DeepThought:
Today I found something wired. I've updates my iGO software from v8.0 to v8.3 and didn't change anything else. In I noticed two things:

1st) The first lock was extremely quick. I've not used GPS for over a week now and just downloaded the QuickGPS data. And within a few seconds (I haven't counted because I expected it to be a minute or so) the position was locked and with a high signal strength.

2nd) I only had the chance to do a short lap but I think the lag was either gone or at least much smaller than before.

I will do some more tests tomorrow to make sure my results today where not just luck or the exception to the rule. But I really have the feeling that just updating iGO did much shorten the lag. Could this be possible in your opinion?

I think I can recall some other people who also said that they achieved better results with updated software as well. Would it for example be possible, that not the driver within windows causes the problem but the driver within the satnav software?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] DSF:
Then, for example, why igo 2006/8.0 plus works perfectly on any other WM device and not on TP?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] branko.savic:
I am just speculating now, but if that´s tru maybe it has something to do with the TP´s specs?

VGA?

qualcomm?

3D acceleraton?

Or maybe something else we missed?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] DeepThought:
Today I tested it a bit more detailed. A ~20km trip with mixed highway and normal city streets. Tested parallel with TP and my stand alone satnav (also running iGO). And I can now confirm that the lag is now about half as small as it was with the old iGO version. Some commands came absolutely synchronous (which it never did before) and some with a small delay up to max. 1 second (which is also slightly better than before). And again specially the first lock is much faster than it was before. First lock within ~5-10 seconds. It took me at least 20-30 seconds before.

Unfortunately that's not a highly scientific test I did but my impression is that it does matter which satnav program you use and specially which version.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] paulyluca:
Glad you noticed that too. I did the same thing last week, and it is much, much better.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] indiana99:
Did a side-by-side test last night. Garmin Mobile XT 5 vs Garmin Nuvi 360 with the same maps installed. One second or less lag on the TP.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] xeryus1907:
Hi Guys,

what's the last point?

I have still lags, i get fix in a few seconds but they disappear and appear again in 4-5 seconds, thay re not stable.

i ve tried every cabs

my radio is .28.

and i m waiting a new rom with fixed this bug, and use my tp with external global bt receiver it works like a charm with glo ext.bt.

what did you do?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] wildpig1234:
i have this problem with intermitten connect and disconnect and had to increase polling interval in the registry to 1500.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] xeryus1907:
did u solve the problem?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] intothevoid:
I tried Method 1 and so far its working great for me no lag issues or loss of gps signal accept when i receive a call and press the hangup button I lose GPS for 1 or 2 secs then it goes back to normal.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] xeryus1907:
intothevoid,

which software do u use for gps?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] :
it's be done

back to basic :mad:

i had no gps signal for 4 days i give up he is going to htc for reparation

they told me they put a new chip inside my device.

this ****** i had my device for 2 months

this will take 3 weeks i told them they must send the chip to me i put it in but they where not agree with me :mad:
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thefallen83:
HTC Fuze w/ROMeOS² v1.40.1 issues?

Are you having any issues with this ROM on the Fuze? I mean... this phone just came out and I'm thinking about flashing it to ROMeOS² v1.40.1. Let me know. :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] intothevoid:
yep its working fine as long as u follow the directions
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Delphi:
A quick question: is there any software for the phone that can set the settings of the GPS-chip like its possible with e.g. the Wintec WBT-201 with the TMX-Mobile or uCenter-Software.

Didn't found yet any information about "deeper" specs of the Quellcomm GPSone chip yet. :/
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] freco:
I read somewhere about Garmin XT and "Intermediate Driver" solution. I confirm this. Garmin Mobile XT works 99,9999... perfect if you set GPS driver to "Intermediate Driver". No lag, 1-3 sec fix even without Quick Gps up to date.

Not 100% because if you stop it takes aboyt 3 sec to show 0 klm.

So I 'm definetely sure that it 's a

hardware driver

problem.

I hope HTC will wake up soon and fix it.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thefallen83:
Keyboard change

I just flashed my at&t HTC Fuze for ROMeOS² v1.40.1 and I noticed that the keyboard is now like a real PC keyboard, meaning that when I press, for example, the Windows button on the upper left corner (1st button, 1st row from left to right), instead of opening start menu like usual, now it types "1".

Does anybody has the at&t Fuze Keyboard CAB file? I read about it. :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] intothevoid:
Hmn. Considering you are new here please read the stickies about such issues. You need to read about everything and do some searching to see if your question was already answered somewhere else. And please post your questions in the correct forum. The fix is attached.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] pabruyn:
I've tried both options, but it didn't work for me.

I don't get even a fix. even after 10 minutes.

I tried many GPS programs, but still no luck for me.

My GPS sucks...!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thefallen83:
Thanks...

Well I ended up asking for it here because I couldn't find it after several reading. Anyway, thanks for the file.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] intothevoid:
your welcome
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Blimblim:
I guess I'm going to sound dumb, but is this intermediate driver setting in Garmin XT or in the GPS settings of the device? Which version of Garmin XT are you using?

Thanks :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] freco:
Garmin Mobile XT ver 5.00.20w.

Intermediate driver in Garmin XT settings. Once you start the program you can see the GPS signal bars (Upper left cornet). Press it. Then press Stop GPS (lower right corner) and you will see 3 options. Select the second and Start GPS.

You will get very fast fix and only a 2-3 sec lag when you start moving from stop.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Blimblim:
I was connecting again to say I had found it myself. Pretty confirmation that I'm dumb. Thanks!

Now though, I don't get any signal at all using the intermediate driver, I guess I must enable something somewhere else. It's just sitting on the aquiring sattelites phase, and nothing what so ever is happening on the bars down the screen. If I use COM4 I get some stuff there almost intantly. More proof that I'm dumb, again :D
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] y2whisper:
yeah its in the wiki as well, but hey lesson learned problem solved.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] freco:
After all these confirmations :p I have to ask you. Are you outdoors trying to get a fix? Did you press "Start GPS"?

Try to restart the program (Bill Gates always sugest it too :D).
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Blimblim:
More serisouly though, yeah I've tried indoor and outdoors, I've tried rebooting the Touch Pro, even changed the GPS settings with Advanced Config and enabled/disabled logging, same result.

Also when I use the HTC GPS Test application, and I use the MSFT API, I get just some text message:

GPS position result --->>>

Version=1

size = 344

ValidFields = 0x0003E000

dwFlags = 0x00000000

definitely not what I get by using the raw interface ($GP stuff)

But maybe it's got nothing to do with the intermediate driver :)

Basically everything works fine (with lag, and I have to use GPSTest if I ever want to get a quick fix) when I use COM4, but I get nothing with intermediate.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] freco:
I forgot to mention that I use ROMeOS 1.40.1 rom which has already GPS Tweeks installed. Same with ROMeOS 1.23 that I had before.

Maybe that's the main deference.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] zahbaker:
My gps worked fine for a about 2 weeks and now nothing seems to work.I cannot download Quick GPS settings, My tomtom does not work. Any ideas on how to get this fixed? It seems that my GPS unit is non functional.Please assist.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] branko.savic:
Try to do a hard reset, if that doesnt help then you have to send it back for repair!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] TouchPro>Iphone:
my radio version is 1.03.15F...DOes it makes sense to downgrade to the posted 1.02 version posted here?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Matthes42:
No, if your read this thread you can see that the touch pro has the lag with any radio rom
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Matthes42:
I´ve solved the GPS issue for me!!

after trying months to get gps working on my tp, using all tips, registry hacks, several hard reboots i decided to return my tp because it´s either a hardware issue or a device driver issue. both problems will not be solved by htc, as i know the graphic driver issue of my tytn2. i got my money back and i´m happy know with my old tytn2 with has no lag in gps.

so i will have a look wether other vendors (sony ericsson) are doing a better development job