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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] BennTech:
Goodness gracious don't flash a radio from another device!!! I haven't heard of anyone trying that, and I seriously doubt it would work. These radios are so touchy even the wrong radio for the same device causes problems (see any of numerous threads about "no sound after flashing", "no camera after flashing", "radio from hell"). Hopefully the ROMs have a fail-safe to prevent cross-device flashing. If not, you'll probably end up a very expensive paperweight or at best have to re-flash with a proper radio. Of course, maybe it will work and you'll solve everyone's phone problems and bring peace to Earth, but I'm not risking my phone to try it. :)

I'm inclined to think Bluetooth myself, but it doesn't seem that everyone with this problem is using Bluetooth. I'm going to try an experiment and reinstall all my apps but keep Bluetooth off for the next few weeks (only use it with my car's MK6000 anyway). I'll keep all posted.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jpcrailjr:
I'll Save You The Trouble

Did a soft reset this afternoon after HandyShopper locked up my Tilt. Used the Tilt normally after the reset, 1-2 calls, a couple of SMS, and then about 4 hours later, I got a call, the phone rang, I answered, but no audio. The person who called apparently never heard me answer the call and it went to voicemail!! I never ever enabled Bluetooth after the soft reset. MHO, Bluetooth may not be the issue.

This issue is annoying at best. I never had the problem until the last month or so.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] denco7:
After an awful day yesterday, missing more calls than ever, only three all day had sound when I answered, I did a little experiment and shut off 3G. Only missed one call all day.

Now I know 3G probably has nothing to do with the problem, but damn, this is hard to pinpoint.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Shub-Niggurath:
Heh, dont worry, im not gonna flash my device with a dodgy radio. Im more paranoid than most and as im not on contract, i dont have warranty or free upgrades to fall back on if it dies! However, im sure i remember threads from ages ago where people had success with radios from other MSM7200 phones. Interesting about the 3g tho, i use it all day all the time. Have you noticed the problem with HSDPA or just 3g because im on H most of the time (every time it happens anyway).
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jpcrailjr:
3G No Issue

I live in an area that only has Edge and I have the problem.

I flashed a Polaris radio last night and hoped a new radio would do the trick. (I also posted this problem on the "Ultimate Radio" thread to get it more visibility.

After flashing the new radio, I did a reset and plugged the phone in to the charger for the night to test battery life on the new radio. I also did a couple of test SMSs with my daughter to make sure they worked. Email, data, and SMS all work fine on the new radio. I didn't make a call to test that.

This morning I got an incoming call. I answered the phone by pressing the green button and even though the phone indicated connected....no sound. I tried using the jog dial to raise the volume and nothing. Since I knew the person calling, I tried to call them back, no ringing, no nothing, but the "connected" showed up and the clock started counting as if I was connected, but no voice.

I soft reset the phone and sure enough, voice mail was waiting on me. Voice mail retrieved just fine and I called the other person Back and it worked fine. I am now trying to call my cell with my landline to try to get the problem to duplicate to see what happens from the callers end, but so far, the phone is making and receiving calls just fine and I have gotten and made 4-5 calls since the one call that didn't come through this AM....

I have tried turning the phone off/on with the Comm Manager to "break" it, but no luck. I thought maybe since I checked WiFi with the new radio that it might be the problem. The only thing I haven't done today that I did last night was turn on GPS.... I'll try that and report back.

After the soft reset, I called myself from my landline sever
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jpcrailjr:
3G No Issue

I live in an area that only has Edge and I have the problem.

I flashed a Polaris radio last night and hoped a new radio would do the trick. (I also posted this problem on the "Ultimate Radio" thread to get it more visibility.)

After flashing the new radio, I did a reset and plugged the phone in to the charger for the night to test battery life on the new radio. I also did a couple of test SMSs with my daughter to make sure they worked. Email, data, and SMS all work fine on the new radio. I didn't make a call to test that.

This morning I got an incoming call. I answered the phone by pressing the green button and even though the phone indicated connected....no sound. I tried using the jog dial to raise the volume and nothing. Since I knew the person calling, I tried to call them back, no ringing, no nothing, but the "connected" showed up and the clock started counting as if I was connected, but no voice.

I soft reset the phone and sure enough, voice mail was waiting on me. Voice mail retrieved just fine and I called the other person Back and it worked fine. I am now trying to call my cell with my landline to try to get the problem to duplicate to see what happens from the callers end, but so far, the phone is making and receiving calls just fine and I have gotten and made 4-5 calls since the one call that didn't come through this AM....

I have tried turning the phone off/on with the Comm Manager to "break" it, but no luck. I thought maybe since I checked WiFi with the new radio that it might be the problem. The only thing I haven't done today that I did last night was turn on GPS.... I'll try that and report back.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] denco7:
Kept 3g on all day today and again only one silent call. I am really scratching my head. It would appear that the same thing is happening to the Raphael, and I heard the Diamond, that is why I think it has to be a software problem and not hardware.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=422322&highlight=Hard+reset&page=10
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dsdmarin:
3G The issue

I have the stock AT&T 6.1 ROM and have noticed that I started having this issue right when they introduced 3g in my area.... It happened quite regularly every day.

I never knew when I was going to be able to pick up a call or even make a call. Very frustrating. I figured it might be the 3g network so I use band switch and keep my phone on the gsm setting and that seems to have fixed the problem.

I switch to the 3g when I need the high speed connection...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Shub-Niggurath:
Surely the diamond and Raphael have similar hardware radio wise to the kaiser. I just had a quick look on qualcomm's website and the hardware looks pretty much the same (except clock speed) - Arm9 modem, Arm11 core. Could this not be a hardware issue? Mine only exhibits the symptoms after it has been on for a while. Maybe a section of memory becomes corrupt over time or maybe it doesnt reset the hardware properly every so often. We need someone who knows a lot more about the inner workings to have a crack at this.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jpcrailjr:
Yes!!!

Absolutely. I haven't had a problem in 24 hours or so and I've been calling myself from my landline and have taken 5-6 calls from others with no problems. The really annoying part is the fact that it is so intermittent and it can't be reliably duplicated.... It really sucks to not be able to trust your phone.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Shub-Niggurath:
I dont know if this helps or not but i noticed the problem seems to happen when the memory is nearly full. Maybe it could be software after all.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] nikagl:
Not in my case (still much RAM and SDCard memory free). It does seem to be a lot more stable with the Bengalih Raw Roms:

http://www.winmo-experts.com/viewforum.php?f=14

Regards,

Nika.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jpcrailjr:
Still Happening

Nika,

Are you saying that the Bengalih ROMs don't have this issue as much? I just had this happen in a call from my wife. She wasn't very happy. :rolleyes: Of course when she's not happy, I'm not happy. It is even worse when a I can't speak to someone on a business call even though it shows the phone is connected.

If the Bengalih ROMs do seem to fix the issue, are they UC compliant? That is what I like about the eOS 4.888 ROM, is fast, minimal, and I can build it just the way "I" want it.

I've been considering this issue some more and think the "bug" might be in the Comm Manager. I know I've switched mine from the one that was installed in the eOS ROM to the HTC Diamond Comm Manager. I'm not knowledgeable enough to know how the Comm Manager interacts with the radio, but I do use it frequently since I have to turn my phone off while doing my job. I also use it to turn Bluetooth on and off fairly frequently so I can use my phone while driving, and I also use it to turn WiFi off and on quite a bit.

Sometimes it almost seems like the problem just happens after a set period of time.

Jim
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] azuka:
I am having the same problem. This started just a few days back. The thing is i have an unlocked TYTN II. The ROM update was done at the HTC service center here in Doha, Qatar. Here are the details of my ROM:

ROM Version: 3.31.415.1.WWE

ROM Date: 09/03/08

Radio Version: 1.70.18.02

Protocol Version: 25.83.40.02H

This problem is so intermittent that there is no way to duplicate. And no particular pattern to its occurence.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] nikagl:
Hi Jim,

Here's some answers to your questions:

Yes, it seems more stable, but haven't been using it for long. More details in, say a week. Not sure whether it's the ROM (which is a default HTC ROM), whether it's the SPL (default too), or whether it's the Radio, because I updated all of them, like Bengalih recommends in his thread.

I know all about a wife not being happy, trust me - mine really wonders why I ever bought a phone (for €550) that doesn't even work. Her Nokia (for €85) works better according to her :D :P. We all know about the explanations we give "it's our hobby", "it's the only phone with a good keyboard", "it's the only with fast internet", etc.

Yes, it's UC complient. I even prefer SASHIMI, which is why I got to know Benhalih as a good and resourcefull person, which is much more flexible and easy to configure than UC.

I haven't updated the Comm Manager yet, so that might be it too... I did use the BlueTooth button in the default Comm Manager, and I added the 3G button which I use often to save some battery power (another big flaw in this phone)...

My ROM details are in my sig, btw. And for me the problem was easy to replicate with my previous ROM/RADIO/SPL but not anymore with the one I'm using now :)

Regards,

Nika.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jpcrailjr:
Thank You!

I look forward to seeing what you come up with!

Thanks so much for taking time to answer my questions. I'm almost to the point of perhaps cooking my own ROMs. I've got mbavarians Kitchen downloaded and I'm trying to figure out what would be a good base to use with AT&T so that I don't have to configure the phone everytime I change the ROM to make it "better".

I sure wish I had more technical knowledge to better help on the issue.

Thanks for contributing on this thread!

Happy Holidays!

Jim
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] denco7:
The problem is so hard to pinpoint that is the problem. There are days when everything works fine , only one missed call, and then there are days like Sunday without having changed anything not one call connected with sound all day. Not one. Wife > " When are you going to get rid of that piece of crap phone so that I can actually talk to you the first time, and not have to wait until you reset and call me back " (She has an Iphone , which makes the comments sting even more)

I have changed radios, no help, I don't use Bluetooth, I have completely shut down Voice Command. Even changed from Diamond comm mgr to Duttys 10 button black, all to no avail. I am honestly ready to go back to 6.0 and just wait for the Xperia to come to AT$T. ( still not desperate enough to go to iphone as she suggests. )
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jpcrailjr:
Interesting!

It would be fascinating to see if that has an effect. I'm not to that level of frustration yet. My wife's phone is running stock AT&T 6.1.... I might revert mine back to 6.0 for a few days after Christmas to see if the problem is just limited to 6.1. :rolleyes:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] nikagl:
Today my phone work fine most of the time (say about 10 calls using BT-nav and about 20 without BT).

I've had one "silent call" only, here's what happened:

1. I talked to someone using my BlueTooth nav (JVC, see above post)

2. I hung up, and immediately called someone else

3. Call got connected, but it was a big silence

4. I waited a few minutes, tried again, and it was ok

This used to be a much more frequent issue (as in, almost always after each call if I immediately tried talking to someone else when using my BT-nav).

Regards,

Nika.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ricm:
When i call, i cant hear, but others can hear me. sometimes it cannot event connect.

using: att tilt

rom: wm6.1 hyperdragon (last one)

radio 1.65.24.36

HardSPL 1.0 olipof

NOT USING BLUETOOH

voice command installed but not using it
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ricm:
update: sound goes back if i press speaker mode, but its quite uncomfortable talk that way.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ricm:
if someone still have no sound please check here http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=3082141#post3082141

and tell if you had the same hardware problem as i.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jpcrailjr:
So Far....

Since my last post on the 23rd, I've not had the silent call at all. I've used bluetooth, the Comm Manager, and had the phone on the entire time.

It's making me wonder if it isn't some sort of network problem now....

Jim
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] BennTech:
Solution found--we're delusional!

ricm, that's a different problem. Everyone in this thread has no sound at all--not from ear-piece, speaker, or headset. Plus, other party can't hear us. It's fixed with simple soft reset. It affects only WM6.1, not WM6. Thus, it's definitely a software issue, not an actual hardware failure like your thread indicates.

Yeah, I'm the same way. I've only had 2 no sound incidents since November, and none for nearly a month now. I put all my old apps back on, including MSVC, but as promised I've turned Bluetooth off. On the flip side, my call volume has dropped significantly since mid-November (probably because everyone was tired of calling me and getting no sound). :)

So here's where we are:

Can't be the carrier since it affects people all over the world.

Can't be ROM/radio/SPL since we're all using different combinations.

Can't be Bluetooth since some people aren't using it.

Can't be MSVC since some people aren't using it.

I think I have identified the problem! We are all experiencing a group delusion--our phones actually work fine, but we think they have this problem so we have a reason to upgrade to the new Raphael. Problem solved.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] nikagl:
Honestly I think there's several reasons that may cause this issue, as in my case it's 100% related to BlueTooth and my nav-system.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] BennTech:
Hey nika. Yeah, seriously, I agree. Like I said earlier in the thread, I think there's a bug in WM6.1 and/or 1.65+ radios. The bug can get triggered by numerous things, most notably Bluetooth, but probably anything that uses sound heavily. <sigh>
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] nikagl:
So... who will test WM6.0 with old radio? :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] denco7:
I, on the other hand have had no change. Some days are bad and some days are better, but everyday includes at least a few silent calls. The weather has cleared ( finally after 1 1/2 weeks ice and snow ) here in the northeast US, and the network is back to normal, still missing calls.

I have shut off MSVC, do not use BT or NAV, am using 1.70.19.9 radio, have tried others. Several different Comm mgrs, dialers. roms. The common thread in all is 6.1. But what triggers it in some phones but not others ?

Does the delusion include the $$$$ in my bank account for the upgrade:)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] denco7:
Aw...... I just flashed new Hyperdragon III Raphael and rebuilt my programs.

but............. if I don't start getting phone calls soon , I will do it and see what happens.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jpcrailjr:
Considering It....

....but since it is working for the past few days, I am afraid to mess with it! ;)

Jim
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] nikagl:
Ok, I'll try (using Sashimi to reinstall my Roms anyway, which is quite fast). I'll try one of the older ones mentioned in the ROM wiki:

http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Kaiser_ROMs

http://rs113.rapidshare.com/files/1..._radio_sign_22.45.88.07_1.27.12.32R2_Ship.exe

Regards,

Nika.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] nikagl:
Uh...don't want a Dutch ROM ;) so downloading this ROM now:

http://rs107.rapidshare.com/files/5....5_radio_sign_22.45.88.07_1.27.12.11_Ship.rar
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] denco7:
Just a quick confirmation, when you flash backward you don't have to flash an older or original Hardspl right ? I can keep 3.29hard.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] nikagl:
Not sure, I've download JumpSPL to make sure - will let you know when I've successfully switched back and forth :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] nikagl:
Wow, it almost feels like I have one of those old Nokia 5110 phones since downgrading back to a 1.5-year-old ROM :) More news tomorrow when I test the BlueTooth together with my nav-system...

Regards,

Nika.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] denco7:
Do you need to change our signature now :) Thanks for this, we really appreciate it. Keep us informed.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] nikagl:
Lol, I was still working on it (much to update!) :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] nikagl:
Driving to the office:

Too early to talk to someone, tried voicemail about 8 times, including after getting out of my car (which often caused the silence issue after which I needed to soft-reset), and have had no issues so far...

Regards,

Nika.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jpcrailjr:
So Far....

It has been pre-Christmas since I've had the issue. Traveled with my job to Chicago, Los Angeles, and Denver, have used Bluetooth, the Comm Manager frequently, and taken and made many calls and I have had no problems. Not one.

Kudos to Nika for backing off on the ROM/Radio but I've not had a problem for almost a week now and the phone has had some of it's heaviest usage in the past couple of days. I had the issue a couple of times before the 23rd of December after going to a Polaris radio as noted earlier in this thread, but after December 23rd, the phone has worked flawlessly.

I'm sticking with the old adage "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." I'll keep following the thread and post if I have a silent call again.

Thanks for everybody's contributions here!

Jim
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] nikagl:
Hi Jim,

Just making sure, you're still running the Final Refresh of eOS (eOS.888.FiRe with 1.71.09.01 radio)? And what SPL do you use?

Regards,

Nika.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jpcrailjr:
Different Radio

Nika,

I changed radios on the 21st of December or so. Currently, I'm running a Polaris 1.59.42.23 radio which has been much more reliable with regards to this problem than 1.71.09.01 in which the problem seemed occur all the time. I am running the eOS.4.888.FiRe ROM. I have not changed ROMs since flashing from a HyperDragon M2D ROM around the first of December. I've got Hard SPL 3.29 installed.

Unfortunately, this evening after tethering the phone to access the internet for 30 minutes and then untethering, my wife called. I answered and got silence on my end and though my phone showed connected, she just got sent straight to voice mail. I soft reset and was able to call her back with no problems. This is the first time in over a week the problem has occurred and tethering is the only thing I have done differently today than I have done any other day since the issue went temporarily away.

I've downloaded MBavarian's Kitchen and am considering trying to cook my own ROM based on one of Benghali's AT&T ROMs. If I am successful at cooking the ROM and flashing it, I'll let you know how it goes. I've got some major learning to do before I cook, so it won't be soon!

How has the roll back to 6.0 been working? So far so good?

Happy New Year!

Jim
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] nikagl:
Hi Jim,

So far rollback to WM6 is ok. I haven't installed anything, to make sure it's not any of the other applications (other than my wireless and exchange provisioning xml's). Using WM6 is exactly the same so far (although I'm missing M2D which I haven't installed yet), and only the threaded SMS is a major difference (I had already forgotten about the old way :)).

I did have some minor issues yesterday with my phone together with the carkit, but none are "silent calls". It happened a few times that the BlueTooth nav did not pickup and I had to talk using the phone (150 € fine here in Holland)...nevertheless, so far no silent calls :)

Regards,

Nika.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] BennTech:
"No sound" reproducable at will

I found a way to reproduce our no sound problem at will with 3 simple steps. For me, it is WM6.1, vibrate, and Bluetooth related. I know some of us don't use Bluetooth, so there are either multiple sound problems, or multiple ways to trigger the same sound problem.

Here's how I reproduce at will:

Set phone to vibrate, either via Taskbar icon or Vibra.

Connect to Bluetooth hands-free (in my case, my car's Parrot MK6000).

Receive call.

After call ends, no sound (and no vibrate either).

Nikagl, does this follow your experience? I.e., with WM6.1, did you ever use vibrate while using Bluetooth? (Aside, I also want to say thanks for your work on the KaiserTweak XML, but I didn't dare post it in that thread). ;)

There was some thread I read long ago while researching our no sound problem, talking about vibrate screwing up the sound & maybe a registry patch to fix it? If I can find that thread again, maybe I can write a MortScript to fix it (I already have the one installed that keeps A2DP connected after phone calls, and this should be a simple mod to that). Unfortunately, I'm busy this morning & headed out of town for a few days for New Years, so if I don't get to it this afternoon, it will be a week before I can work on it. If anyone can locate the thread I'm talking about, it would speed things up for a possible fix.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jpcrailjr:
Hmmmm.....

Are you getting absolutely no sound? The only issue I am having is calls saying that they are connected, but the caller doesn't seem to hear me and is in reality never connected to my phone. Instead the caller is simply sent to voice mail after the requisite number of rings.

Now that you mention this though, I am realizing that I do recall occasions that the voice mail icon just shows up with no ringing whatsoever. When I get to a hotel tonight that has free internet, I'll try your method to reproduce what is going on.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jpcrailjr:
Steep Fine!!

Let's hope your BlueTooth starts playing nicely so you don't get caught and have to pay that fine!

I am slowly realizing that I may have the "never rings" issue as well that is posted above. Unfortunately I'm out working for the New Year, so I'm not going to be of much help until next week sometime, but I'll try the method above of reproducing a silent phone and see if that is a way we can intentionally "break" the software/ROM and troubleshoot the problem.