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[Touch Pro, Fuze General] slyng1:
So I'd like the experts to weigh in on this one: I'm pretty sure I'm getting the Touch Pro but I'd like to know the pros/cons of going the sprint route vs. the AT&T route. Do the same cooked roms on this site work on both, or only on the GSM (AT&T) version of the phone? Do people find the CDMA network faster/slower than the GSM network for Data (i.e. how do their 3G speeds compare). What other features might be different? And I know there's been some confusion on release dates but has that been cleared up at all?

...Part of me wants to wait and see if the Touch HD Pro will come out (HD w/ QWERTY) but I don't know if I can wait that long, and if it's only released for Europe w/out US 3G that'd suck...

Thanks all for your help!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] P0ll0L0c0:
I'd also like to see a good summary of the differences with the 2 providers. I'm probably going to be leaving Verizon for this phone.

I'd also read that the Touch HD would not be released in the US - so I'm pretty much counting on the Touch Pro.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] bpm2000:
jumping along with this one
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] labbbby:
Somebody can give more details, but I can still pitch in a little bit.

I'm from Canada so I can't really pitch in for pros/con for T-Mobile/AT&T. One advice is to get a real good look at the 3G coverage because ultimately that can be a big factor depending where you live/go.

From what I read, I wouldn't hold my breath for the HD, apparently it's currently not planned for North America. One with a keyboard is even a longer shot because of it's size, making it thicker would pretty much make it a huge phone, don't know if there's a big market for that.

As for the ROM, I saw that Elite Team is talking about making a CDMA rom, but in this forum, you will find much more GSM material. I believe that the North America user are not a huge proportion of the user base, so it explains why most of the talk is revolving around GSM.

Hope this helps a bit in your decision, overall the TP is very nice and I think the custom ROMs in this forum can make it a greater phone!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] slyng1:
That definitely helps - If it makes a difference in terms of which service would be better, i live in the NYC area and so getting the coverage on either network wouldn't be an issue. I've heard good things about the sprint high speed network, but haven't used their service in like 5yrs, so have no idea if they've gotten better or worse since then.

In any case, the features of each phone look pretty comparable. It's not like the sprint phone will have some sort of killer app that the AT&T version wouldn't have.

I guess time will tell once people actually start using these and comparing notes on them. Is "Sprint TV" anything? I know that comes with the sprint version but have no idea what it is.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] havox22:
sprint tv is tv on the go u get channels like nfl network , disney, and cnn live,but most of the channels arent live just clips and stuff...the only difference i see with them is the fuze took away the number row and replaced it with symbols, as far as networks i dont know whos is better, but sprints $15 data plan comes with sprint tv and you get 3g with att u have the pay for internet then if u want 3g then u have to pay a extra $10, but that mite just be for the iphone
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] NotATreoFan:
I take offense to you lumping me, a GSM user, in with the likes of Verizon and Sprint. :p

A co-worker of mine has the Vogue (CDMA Touch) on Verizon, and it's total BS what you have to go through when you flash a new radio or ROM to the device. Verizon uses something called an "A-Key" to authenticate you to their data network, and that key is wiped out on radio flashes (sometimes ROM flashes), so you constantly have to call Verizon to have them resend you a key to allow data connections (ALL data, not just ICS) to work.

...and Sprint has registry keys built into their ROMs to prevent ICS from working. Admittedly, this annoyance has a much easier workaround that Verizon's, but it's still BS.

AT&T has several different data packages available, and the device you have determines your choices, but all of them connect to 3G without additional fees.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] garymedina:
Att All The Way!

As an owner of the FUZE. I can tell you I love this phone. The ATT version will a little different because it’s GSM. Forget the TV that any device comes with and get a Sling Box.

- Change your SIM to a cheap phone when you go Drinking or to the beach or overseas!

- Video Share, although not used a lot I use it and love it!

- Push To Talk, Again not really used a lot but its there.

Wow I sound like I work for ATT or something! :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
definetly like being able to pop the sim in a crappy phone

wich my 8525 will be soon enough
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jtsurfs:
The other thing to remember is Sprint is really struggling right now and may not be around much longer. If you do travel anywhere outside of the US and want to take your phone, you will want GSM. Just my 2 cents.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] shadowwarz:
Sprint is better in my opinion

sprint evdo rev a is $15/month which is the fastest mobile speed you can get in the US, versus ATT 3G $30/month which much slower (i have compared a mogul versus 3g iphone, and the mogul(ppc-6800) is reasonably faster)

sprint $15 unlimited texting

ATT $20 unlimited texting

this all comes down to what your friends have?, because if you talk alot and your friends/family has att, then just go with them since mobile to mobile is unlimited and vice versa if you have sprint friends/family.

also, the previous poster is correct in the sense that sprint is obviously not good outside the US and for switching phones all the time.

sprint is using a dying technology (cdma) but at this time, there is no denying that it is the fastest data in U.S. and sprint has alot of coverage nation wide.

i think it will be a couple of years before CDMA is completely out of the picture and anyone buying the touch pro will on to their next phone at that point.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] shark1987:
i agree with basically everything you said. The phones are basically the same, and flashing sprint phones doesn't take anything special besides making sure the Rom/Kitchen is designed for Sprint. Which most of the ones on ppcgeeks.com are on sprint first anyways sometimes only sprint.

but if you do international traveling I would definitely get the ATT version, just so all you have to do is pop in a different SIM card.

But ultimately it just comes down to which plan you can get for cheaper I'd say, like for the same minutes/data.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] cyjeff:
I travel a lot. Several times a week, and both nationally and internationally.

I use the Kaiser on ATT, and unless I am out in the middle of God's country (like, say, Carroll Iowa... don't ask), I find 3G and H all over.

I haven't used Sprint in forever.... but, as far as data goes, ATT seems to have pretty great coverage.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] BBM-Lee:
Making it simple:

Sprint

+Cheaper plans

+slightly better up/down speeds (especially factoring in the iphone factor)

-Harder to Flash (?, based on what's said here)

AT&T

+Usable internationally

+Easier to flash (again, based on whats said here)

-Data more expensive unless you lie to AT&T about your device (possibly causing a huge bill someday)

-Data speeds a bit slower

beyond that I couldn't say much more that isn't placebo or really effected by too many other factors... Traditionally Sprint phones will use more power then their GSM counterparts.. but there's a lotta factors involved in this issue
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sepffuzzball:
Also, with the Sprint CDMA network you don't get the annoying sound of speakers freaking out when you walk around and your phone does things in your pocket, unlike the AT&T GSM network.

Although if you like to be a pain, you may prefer the speaker interference caused by GSM phones. :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] HTC_Feind:
Yeah, i have the 3G iPhone now and it is always making speakers freak out. It's especially annoying in meetings when there is a conferance phone with speakers near all of the seats. I have to leave my phone at my desk! Not to mention the 9 billion dropped calls i get with this damn thing!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
if you turn the data off the speakers shouldnt be affected unless a text comes in
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] rrider77:
I read somewhere that verizon wireless is also going to carry the touch pro.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
yes this has been known

but it isnt really in teh same league since they are cutting the processor and ram and also removing the tilt sensor
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Nghiem:
It's half true only.

The noise which you hear through speaker only appears when you're in GSM/GPRS/EDGE mode but not in 3G UMTS/HSDPA mode. Furthermore, all GSM phones on any carrier all around the world will do the same.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Raspster:
Just picked up the Sprint touch pro. I have had the pre-release fuze and now that I have this one I must say, the design of the device for Sprint is MUCH better than the AT&T version. Along with the data speeds I had here in the north east of the US. Also, the touch flo on the sprint one is MUCH nicer. The only thing I would say is bete on AT&T is ofcoarse what many of you already said, IE - international use, easy SIM card use & swaps, better battery life (3G vs EVDO REVA) and the best part, 100% pure MMS use. Even thou the Sprint version DOES have MMS or wait no, picture mail because you cant send video over sprint. Also, touch flo on the Sprint is snapier than the fuze was for me.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] wmm:
What are the differences?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Raspster:
Mainly the look. The sprint version is more curved on the corners and just feels better in your hand without the diamond cuts on the back. The only part of the design I DON'T like on the sprint version is the camera cover on the back. I loved the way the receeded the lens cover to be clear of smudges & scratches on the unlocked/att fuze versions. Other than that, the att touchflo is so plain where the sprint version has alittle more shine and color. The att version od touchflo is 2 colo... black & gray... Oh, also, the speaker is on the top of the sprint version which is ALOT better than on the bottom like the fuze.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] wmm:
I hear you about the look of the UI on the Fuze screenshots I've seen. I normally don't really care about the appearance of things, just the way they work, and even I am going to change the theme immediately after I get mine! :)

Interesting, though, about the location of the speaker. That's the first time I've heard anything about that. I'll have to check that out.

Thanks for the info.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] pimpedz:
I disagree with on sprint's speed

I have used EVDO on sprint, and UMTS as well as HSDPA on ATT and I can confirm that while evdo may be faster than plain old UMTS, HSDPA where I live is extremely fast. Sprint's network seemed to be very slow and unreliable, as well as the fact they have very poor 3G coverage compared to ATT. The benefits of being on a gsm network are overwhelming compared to what cdma has to offer. Carrier specifics may be bad, (like pricing etc...) but overall gsm is the way to go. GSM phones work more places then any other kind of phone which is another great reason to go gsm.

Edit: Does anyone know if there will not be a monospeaker on this device, as the TTyn 2 only has mono, which I found to be very lacking especially for the price it was.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Sebrina:
The chrome on the Sprint version makes it look cheap and the screen is way too glossy, I was seriously looking into the Sprint version today but I didn't like it at all another week of wait won't hurt for a device that will look a thousand times better, besides symbols are much more useful than numbers on the top.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Raspster:
Well, aside from the glossy gray back on the att version, the sides on the att one that I was using was VERY SHINNY. Reminded me of th sprint one kinda. The att version is also a finger print magnet. Also, the back on the att version is VERY cheap looking in my option. The only real solid looking version that I can truly say I LOVED was the unlocked version with the black rubber back feel. You are right about 3g. I am also a fan and agree however, where I live atm, EVDO is widly spread. Also, how do you say the front was way too glossy, its the same on both versions Only difference is the corners will have the chrome showing abit with the increased curved design of the sprint model.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] pimpedz:
I'm so disappointed on the fact that there won't be an unlocked version (to my knowledge) that contains 1900 mhz and 850 mhz as well as 2100 mhz. If you some how could get an unlocked one that worked with north american 3g, it would definitely end up being the very best choice you could make.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sporklover:
I believe your best bet is going to look into who has the best coverage in the areas you will be. Think about how important international cell phone usage is to you, the ability to easily switch sims between phones and base your decision off of that.

For me, I have used sprint for the past 8-9 years. They have the best coverage in my area and the areas I travel. I always am in a EVDO location.

While it's not as fast as switching Sim cards, you can switch to a cheaper phone in a matter of minutes using the internet, sprint allows you to quickly activate other phones.

I wasn't able to use my phone while in Europe.....but I had no one to call there anywho..... but it did work while I was in Korea!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
Now we need pix! :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Raspster:
Here you go.

ahh, gotta resize! Stay tuned!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
Since you have the pre-release fuse. Could you do side by side comparisons shots. And is the sprint tp much thicker? From the engadget vs euro tp pics, it seemed to be a little bigger.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sdlopez83:
Very intrigued my friend. I cant wait to compare them side by side.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Raspster:
ahh, sory I did not get pics u but they would have only been for the touch pro from sprint. I did have a fuze but sold it as it was a pre-release and I knew the official was coming soon from att. The sprint version is NOT thicker than gsm version, anonmore word I would like to ad. Yes, the sprint touch pro is sexy as hell comapared to the att version but really, the chrome looks great before you say.... PUT IT IN YOUR POCKET WITH SOME CHANGE! BYE BYE NICE CROME LOOK!!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] bduerr:
Fuse is different than CDMA Touch Pro

Just got done talking to someone at HTC-USA tech support for

Tier 3 Sprint tech support. Apparently they also provide some of the accessory sales for HTC USA through a company called Lets Talk

http://www.letstalk.com/

We were discussing a cradle for a CDMA vs GSM Touch Pro and it appears that they are different because the eUSB on the Sprint phone is centered and the GSM version is a little offset.

This was also somewhat verified by the people at ProClip Mounting System where they say the cradles are different and their Sprint Version will not be out until after the new year. The GSM version is currently available.

http://www.proclipusa.com/deviceholders/deviceholders.aspx

The people at Pro Fit say the same thing.

There seems to be an assumption on some of the accessory sales sites that the form factor is the same so be careful. As in other threads, the battery is the same (BA - E270@ 1350ma) but the larger extended battery's for the GSM version will not work because the case cover is different. The camera lens is farther away from the top edge on the Sprint phone and the CDMA version may be ever so more longer and rounder. This may only be from the Sprint phone because the case is metal not plastic. We will see . . .
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Raspster:
Well, figured I would put something up on my personal thoughts and decisions on which touch pro tro get. I picked up the Sprint version 2 weeks ago and after some tweaks and touch-flo changes, I did get it running and looking the way I want. The only real down side is the chrome sides which I must say are holding up better than I had thought but the look and feel is crap! The sliding of the keyboard is abit rough. The sliding is very stiff and you can barley feel the spring. Also, the keys are NOT as bright as the euro and fuze. Also, the keys on the keyboard are also abit stiff. When you are typing you will sometimes make mistakes because you may have typed the letter twice or not at all. And the BIG difference (SO FAR) is the battery life. My GOD! I have been working with the fuze for hours now non stop. All without even charging from purchase and the battery is STILL 50%. I take the sprint one off the charger after an entire night charging and it drops to 94% right before my eyes! Now that I have the fuze I must say, I love this version. Anyway, here is thew final word as I can see:

PRO'S OF THE FUZE COMPARED TO SPRINT TOUCH PRO:

-BATTERY LIFE

-DESIGN BUILD (MORE STURDY) ASIDE FROM THE BACK COVER (I LIKE SPRINTS BETTER) MORE STURDY SLIDER ALSO.

-GSM OFCOARSE (WORLD PHONE)

-FULL MMS SUPPORT (VIDEO,AUDIO,PICS)

-KEYBOARD (KEY LAYOUT IS A TIE) BUT KEYBOARD FEEL & LIGHTING IS BETTER

-BETTER OVERALL COVERAGE

CONS OF FUZE:

-FINGERPRINT MAGNET

-ORIGINAL AT&T TOUCHFLO IS WORSE THAN SPRINTS

PACKAGE (VERY LITTLE COMES WITH THE FUZE COMPARED TO SPRINT)

PRO'S OF SPRINT:

-BACK COVER DESIGN IS SOLID WITH GRAY RUBBER FEEL.

-SPEAKER LOCATED ON TOP RATHER THAN ON BACK LIKE FUZE.

-OUT OF THE BOX, ALOT MORE COMES WITH IT:CASE, 1GIG MICRO SD, HEAD PHONES.

CONS OF SPRINT:

-BATTERY LIFE

-CHROME SIDES AND SLIGHTLY LARGER DESIGN.

-SLIDER IS TOO STIFF AND NOT AS MUCH SPRING COMPARED TO FUZE.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] peibl:
You are forgetting the plan

Sprint has a complete plan for 89.99 with 900 min data txt msg video etc.. and nights at 7

ATT has a 900 min for 59.99 + 35 PDA service = $94.99
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Raspster:
True, True, and this was hard for me because I have a GREAT employee plan with sprint - 3000 mins with data and unlimitied text - $20 a month but will sprint be around in the near future? This has been a worry for me for some time now.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] DarthHobo:
I think it's 30 for the PDA service as the 35$ is only if you have the data plan by itself (which isn't possible lawlz). As long as you have some form of voice service for individual or family, it'll be 90. But again, like you said, free text and 7 nights and weekends. But you're forgetting VOIP! So in the end, who really needs more than 450 minutes? ;)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] g2tl:
or get something less expensive and use roll over minutes
[Introductions] jadedteck:
I joined this forum to learn how to get back control of my devices (no more google or other non-sense). I hope to be able to learn much.
[Moto E5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Develop] FPSensor:
ProjectKasumi for moto e5 + is here and this is what you need to know

DOWNLOADS:

hannah: https://sourceforge.net/projects/gkart-builds/files/hannah/ProjectKasumi/

rhannah: https://sourceforge.net/projects/gkart-builds/files/rhannah/ProjectKasumi/

ahannah: https://sourceforge.net/projects/gkart-builds/files/ahannah/ProjectKasumi/

SOURCES

ROM: https://github.com/ProjectKasumi

Kernel: https://github.com/LineageOS/android_kernel_motorola_msm8953

Vendor: https://github.com/JarlPenguin/proprietary_vendor_motorola

CREDITS:

ProjectKasumi Team for the ROM source

@JarlPenguin for the kernel and vendor source

greetings and enjoy
[Moto E5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Develop] Barto604:
Everything works great except the occasional touch issues ( touch stops responding) but that's a LineageOS issue on Hannah
[Moto E5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Develop] transgirlphoebe:
Me: gives James love

hannah users: its free real estate

In all seriousness i love that the obscure weebified rom my partner helped create is becoming common! good work
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] KovyOJ12:
Hey, how can I have an APK not install if the phone has a browser installed?
[OnePlus 9] isik_h:
Hey guys, how is the stability of the phone after the latest coloros update? There's a good price deal on OP9 these days and thinking to get me one.

BT connection and network stability is especially important to me.

Camera is not a big issue for me as i am happy with the camera of my Oppo Reno 2z.

Thanks!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] sesaru:
First, sorry for my English; I'll do my best ;)

I have Spanish Vodafone Diamond. I flashed using Unsigned HardSLP, NiAX Buffet 2.0, and Radio Radio 1.00.25.05. Later, I unlocked with the "free method".

If worked fine for me for some weeks, but I give to a friend who is using it now with other company (MoviStar). It worked for some hours but after that the phone couldn't get the network.

I tried first change to other Radio 1.03.25.18 (after Hard Reset), and it worked again only for only few hours. After that, no network again.

I tried also reflash again HardSLP + same ROM + Radio 1.00.25.05 but I can't get network again.

Any idea?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] xanh:
I had the same problem...

And a whole lot of others hihi.. Anyhow, in my case uploading Radio v1.05.25.BS14 (Quad Band)(Provided by Dutty) (NEW ONE) fixed the issue.. But I didn't get Radio 1.00.25.05 to work...
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] winner18:
me too... i had the same problem...

I already tried 1.00.25.05, 08, and bs14, but no luck... can anyone figure out why?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] sesaru:
Nobody have idea? ****... :(
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] mndgz:
could it be that the phone is barred by any chance?
[Xiaomi Poco X3 NFC Questions & Answers] rknnth:
Good day everyone. I have this question and i get i little bit nervous. My phone is Poco x3 nfc with Custom EU rom Custom kernel and Rooted with magisk. I want to play Axie but im afraid i might get banned. I have no intention of using any cheat or what.. i just wanna play Axie...
[Xiaomi Poco X3 NFC Questions & Answers] rknnth:
Found this thread

https://www.reddit.com/r/AxieInfinity/comments/piwjlt

So it's safe i won't get banned and can play with no issues