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[Vivo X70 Pro+] JohnWick90:
Bro install adb and fastroot and from there u have to enter a command "pm uninstall -k --user 0 com.vivo.pem" it will disable some kind of pwer saving function and all your notification will work and u will receive them same time without delay. I did that and now face no problems at all with notifications
[Vivo X70 Pro+] theoalex50:
Any difference on battery? Or Google cooperation?
[Vivo X70 Pro+] JohnWick90:
Battery life is improved for me and for google apps everything works perfectly fine except android auto
[Vivo X70 Pro+] theoalex50:
Because I'm kinda new to this, can you guide me on how to do this? Can it be done on the mobile itself or I have to use a pc? And what are the steps. It would be highly appreciated, I know it is a pain in the a$$ to explain stuff to a "newbie", because that's what I am here in xda. 😅
[Vivo X70 Pro+] JohnWick90:
No problem bro im here to help. You need a pc for this procedure. On your pc, download and install asb and fastboot. After that turn on usb debugging from your mobile. For that you have to enable developer lode and in there u will the option of usb debugging. After that open adb and fastboot on your pc

no problem bro im here to help

so first of all you have to do is install latest version of adb and fastboot in ur pc

after that enable developer option on your mobile (vivo x70 pro plus) by going to system management then select about phone then select version info then click on software version 5 times. it will show a popup that developer mode has been enabled.

then in system management go to the bottom you will find developer options. open that and enable developer options (the blue dot) then scroll down and find USB debugging and turn it on. now on your PC open ADB and fastboot and connect your X70 to pc using the original cable and a popup will appear on phone to allow Usb debugging.

now in adb type command 'adb devices' and press enter

after your devices will appear then enter command 'adb shell' and press enter

now type command 'pm uninstall -k --user 0 com.vivo.pem' and press enter

you will see a success message blow your command. thats it just restart your phone and enjoy notifications without a delay

u can contact me on direct message for further assisstance.
[Vivo X70 Pro+] theoalex50:
It's not getting somewhere. Am I writing something wrong?
[Vivo X70 Pro+] JohnWick90:
All commands u entered are wrong

Type this : pm uninstall -k --user 0 com.vivo.pem

Pm <space>uninstall<space>-k<space>--user<space>0<space>com.vivo.pem

Pm space uninstall space dash k dash dash user space 0(zero not O)space com.vivo.pem
[Vivo X70 Pro+] theoalex50:
Will try this and let you know. Much appreciated.
[Vivo X70 Pro+] theoalex50:
This is the message I'm getting. Is it done from the first time I tried it?
[Vivo X70 Pro+] JohnWick90:
Bro u entered the command wrong again. Enter the command correct. U will brick your phone. Check ur command u kissed a " - " before k

Enter command again andd be careful

Pm uninstall -k --user 0 com.vivo.pem
[Vivo X70 Pro+] theoalex50:
Done it correctly. Restarted the phone, no app sends notifications unless I enter the app.. 😕
[Vivo X70 Pro+] JohnWick90:
It shows a success message if you do it correctly. Now go to your phone notification aettings and switch on all notifications for applications u want to receive
[Vivo X70 Pro+] theoalex50:
Showed success, I have the notifications all on and no notifications arrive at all. I restarted the phone twice.
[Vivo X70 Pro+] JohnWick90:
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Follow this. But u have to open in chrome and use translator tool to translate it into english
[Vivo X70 Pro+] theoalex50:
This fixed it for me! Thanks a lot!! Do you have any experience whether 5+ apps with autostart etc will make big difference on battery?
[Vivo X70 Pro+] JohnWick90:
No bro it doesnot make any difference on battery life. Im getting 7 plus hours screen on time daily. Im in love with this phone
[Vivo X70 Pro+] Tyrone_585:
Okay so I have the Chinese ROM version of this phone and the notifications especially on Whatsapp and Instagram only come thru when I open the app how can I fix this? Also I wanna use a third party launcher like lawn chair v2 but I can't set it as the default I even made a vivo account to change it in settings but it still doesn't work. Can you help me out with any of these?
[Vivo X70 Pro+] Tyrone_585:
Okay so I read thru the comments and figure out how to get my notifications working properly, I also deleted the browser cause that kept opening as the default instead of chrome. All I wanna know now is how to set a customer launcher as the default also can you tell me what other Chinese apps I can disable or remove? I deleted some but I don't want to remove something important nah lol
[Vivo X70 Pro+] Robsjo:
Hello!

Im currently waiting for a Vivo IQOO 9 Pro from china with OriginOs Ocean. Im gonna do the disable pem via ADB and etc. However I saw in another thread someone deactivated this and still does not work with the notifications. Something about playstore and youtube not working after disable pem.vivo.

Are there more people having these issues?

Got a little nervous if I made a stupid decision ordering this phone.
[Vivo X70 Pro+] Dutch-Vivo:
I have the same concerns as the post above.

I am tired with Samsung and their 2nd rate Exynos SOCs and instead I'd like to try something else.

Currently running a ROG2 which works great and never had any issues.

I am not afraid to put in the work and remove apps, disable apps and such But I do not want to give up any apps like YouTube (premium), Whatsapp, Gmail, Gmaps, etc etc.

Android Auto i can live without and isn't an issue.

Thought about buying the X70 Pro+ or IQOO 9 Pro but when I read some more I thought I could make an expensive mistake.

Also read that the Vivo account is handy to get the most out of the Vivo devices but it requires a Chinese telephone number. Have seen that people used some online services (paid) to work around that and get it verified.
[Vivo X70 Pro+] Killuminati91:
It's possible to create a vivo account via mail, no telephone number required.

On the first release firmware I had notifications working permanently, by disabling iManager and Pem.

iManager cant be disabled anymore since the Ocean OS update and now notifications are all over the place for me. Sometimes they work, sometimes they dont - and most times they only work with vibration not notification sound.

If you can live with checking your phone every 30min you should get the phone for the camera alone. Have not seen a comparable phone yet.
[Vivo X70 Pro+] Dutch-Vivo:
Hm ... I would be going for the China versions in both cases as the India version with Funtouch is nowhere to be found here in the EU.

Origin OS looks cooler and I assume it will have a much bigger audience and gets more updates.

I could live with the Chinese version and Origin Ocean OS.

I would not be happy with unstable notifications as I would not enjoy having to go into all my apps to see wether I got messages and such.

In a day I would get tens if not a 100 notifications from Gmail, YouTube, news feeds, marketplaces and what not.

If this has become an issue with origin OS and there is workaround then I think my quest will end quickly and probably hold on an see what Xiaomi will bring to the table in the next couple of months.

Android, so many brands and hundreds of devices, yet only less than a handful true flagships that are suited to me ........
[Vivo X70 Pro+] Robsjo:
Be aware Xiaomi can be very strict on notifications too. Owned two Xiaomis a few years ago with the xiaomi.eu rom.
[Vivo X70 Pro+] piskr:
And besides, having Xiaomi and Vivo gives you the idea what is difference between stable and unstable phone. Even root doesn't help.
[Vivo X70 Pro+] Dutch-Vivo:
Okay, so maybe Xiaomi isn't a great choice either.

The thing is, I do read a lot of software issues with the Chinese software on these Vivo's.

And they are conflicting ... So he has notification issues, the other doesn't. He still has Chinese text in English setting, the other doesn't. Etc etc.

I suspect some people are 'light' on certain apps and don't really notice issues and others that are heavy on apps do notice issues.

I have mainly been a Samsung guy with the Note 8 being my last daily driver and I currently Rock the ROG2.

Loved the Note (except for the poor battery and trash speaker) and I love the ROG2. A true workhorse but after over 2 years it's kinda boring and I do miss a great and flexible camera system, wireless charge and IP rating. I also think the design is seriously outdated.

As stated before I do enjoy my Google apps and I would like to keep on using them.

I have NO idea on what to expect on Origin OS as you guys seem to have different experiences.

Running that ADB tool is no issue for me but I need some assurance that certain apps would work and that notifications can be turned on in some way.

Don't want to spend a small fortune on a device and take a gamble. It would bum me out to have basic fundamental functions not work properly.

I'm also confused by Origin OS.

Is it Android 11 or is Android 12. Many confusing info on the internet.

Probably because the good info is in Chinese as that's their main market.

And then I noticed different Ocean versions of Origin OS.

Any EU people here using the X70 Pro+ ??
[Vivo X70 Pro+] Robsjo:
Yes it was just a heads up, Im currently using an Oppo Find X2 Pro that works good with notifications but still I remember I had to set it up to autostart apps etc. But I have already ordered the Iqoo 9 Pro thats on its way so I can tinker with it and tell you how it is with google, notifications etc. It seems alot of people are happy with OriginOs on the X70 so 👍
[Vivo X70 Pro+] Dutch-Vivo:
Yes, but surprisingly you don't find much depth information online regarding these devices for people I'm the EU and USA.

The vast majority is Asian and they use mostly different apps and have totally different wishes.

Just like Whatsapp isn't as big in the USA as in the EU.

You do seem some information here but mostly they are not inline with each other. Secondly the kind of people that use these devices are usually not the typical users and are more like Tweakers.

Kinda like the people outside of China that happily buy a Huawei Flagship and try to make it work.

They usually are not Google fans and couldn't care less about certain apps.

Unfortunately I am the typical 'lazy' user that does rely on Google as it works for me. I really would NOT choose to be without Google support so I'm making it hard on myself.

The Find X2 pro caught my attention years back but the new X5 Pro isn't for me due to the trash zoom and 256GB max storage which simply isn't enough for me.

Can't wait to hear on your experiences with the IQOO9 !

Seen the X70 Pro+ als low as 700 euro now so it caught my attention BUT I don't want to regress in user experience.

Btw, I love all the Origin OS custom tweaking. I really miss that on the near stock Android experience on the ROG.
[Vivo X70 Pro+] Robsjo:
Yes I agree Im in Sweden and want google apps to work mainly gmail.

Ya I saw someone somewhere in the threads managed to make the phone more towards stock android looking so it seems quite customizable.

Oppo is weird, I have to use VPN to other EU countries with cellular data to even find Updates for this phone, first and last Oppo even if they come from the same "BBK" family.

It would probably arrive here next week so I keep you updated. FIngers crossed its all good :)
[Vivo X70 Pro+] Dutch-Vivo:
I will be waiting ...

I took solace in the fact that I will need to wait a while longer.

Was going for the S22U but wrote that off due to the Exynos 2200 we get here in The Netherlands.

It would have been perfect for me but the soc is trash, the charging is slow for recent standards and the speakers are also a step back compared to previous Ultra's.

The price is ofcourse steep so I'm looking elsewhere.

Keep me posted please. Really want to hear your experience.
[Vivo X70 Pro+] piskr:
I'm from EU. X70 pro+ is actually my 3rd Vivo phone, and all of them have been (are) Chinese. So I supposed to be kinda reliable source of information.

First, it's not comparable with Samsung at all. You may like or dislike Samsung skin, but it's an Android with Google (and a ton of bloatware) and you can start to use it right off the bat.

That's not the case with the Chinese Vivo. It's not love on the first sight, it's rather a shock on the first sight. You get a phone with the Chinese launcher, variety of Chinese apps, more or less useless for a Westerner, and a lot of Chinese text everywhere. But you get the same with the Chinese Honor, Huawei and Xiaomi. And once I started with Huawei, therefore Vivo couldn't shock me anymore.

But I want to say, if you are deficiently skilled or desperate with the first impression, you're gonna probably regret your decision about buying Vivo. You didn't get Samsung and you won't ever have Samsung.

And the same mistake is trying manically get rid of every system app or setting which has a slight smell of Chinese. I assume that that is exactly what the desperate guys who are full of complaints about X70 pro+ did. That might be the difference between us, who have no issues with the phone at all, and those who are full of troubles.

You must at least know what you do and why you do something. Otherwise, and without basic Android skills, you better buy a western phone.

And there is more: Ocean is a great interface with a lot of useful functions and a brilliant design. But mostly for Chinese. If you want to have a fully functional western phone, I believe you must sacrifice the skin and some functionality. But not all. I change the launcher and mount one which supports gestures and customizations on the base of the system launcher. Removing the system launcher disables these functionalities. And removing more in panic without selection and consideration disables even more useful functionalities.

I can assure you that I have accurate notifications for both emails (Gmail and corporate), phone, messages, Signal, Gvoice and Gpay. A lot of others notifications I disabled. And I don't use Facebook and its derivates and other abusive apps. And yes, on AOD you can see only phone and SMS notifications.

The final choice is yours: do you fell enough confident in your basic Android skills and ratio regarding carefully removing and adjusting apps and settings. If no, better skip Vivo.
[Vivo X70 Pro+] Robsjo:
This feels reassuring thanks! Yaa im more to the tweaker side and have no issues setting a phone up exactly how I want it. Samsung phones are out of the window for me considering the price tag and also in Sweden the Exynos chip, slow charging compared to these models too.

But notifications on AOD isnt a must, but on my Oppo I have the option to turn on/off different app notifications for the AOD. Maybe theres a security option to enable this on the Vivos?

Found this on Vivo FAQ:

Why does Show on lock screen not work?​

Please don`t worry, refer to these methods for a try:

1. Turn on Show on lock screen in Settings>Status bar and notification;

2. Use the system lock screen in i Theme>Local>Local lock screen;

3. Turn on Allow notification of the apps;

1. Allow the apps to Autostart.
[Vivo X70 Pro+] piskr:
Thanks, I'll try. And I forgot, though I mentioned a lot before: android auto and Google hotword don't work. Both most be mounted as a system app in order to work.
[Vivo X70 Pro+] Robsjo:
Cool, thanks a lot for your input I feel secure I will like this phone once its set up which I have no trouble doing :)

Android Auto I have never used and probably never use either, hotword I dont even know what it is hehe.

Do you have a list of the apps you removed with ADB that is safe to remove other than the vivo.pem?
[Vivo X70 Pro+] piskr:
Baidu Keyboard -> com.baidu.input_vivo

Browser -> com.vivo.browser

Calendar -> com.bbk.calendar

Calendar Widget -> com.vivo.widget.calendar

Car Launcher -> com.vivo.carlauncher

CarLife+ -> com.baidu.carlife.vivo

Cleanup -> com.vivo.widget.cleanspeed

Digital Wellbeing -> com.vivo.familycare.local

Easy Share -> com.vivo.easyshare

Easy Touch-> com.vivo.floatingball

Email -> com.vivo.email

Favourites -> com.vivo.favorite

Find Phone -> com.vivo.findphone

Fuel Summary -> com.vivo.fuelsummary

Game Center -> com.vivo.game

GameWatch -> com.vivo.gamewatch

Global Search -> com.vivo.globalsearch

iMusic -> com.android.bbkmusic

iVideo -> com.android.VideoPlayer

Jovi -> com.vivo.assistant

Jovi InLife Service -> com.vivo.smartLife

Jovi Voice -> com.vivo.agent

Kids Mode -> com.vivo.childrenmode

Mobile KTV -> com.vivo.vivokaraoke

Network Location -> com.baidu.map.location

Plugin -> com.vivo.magazine

Power Guardian -> com.vivo.pem

QuickPay -> com.vivo.quickpay

Reader -> com.chaozh.iReader

SpeechSuite -> com.iflytek.speechsuite

Tips -> com.vivo.Tips

Ultra Game Mode -> com.vivo.gamecube

VHome -> com.vivo.vhomeguide

Vivo.com -> com.vivo.space

Vivo Cloud -> com.bbk.cloud

Voice Wakeup -> com.vivo.voicewakeup

Vivo Wallet -> com.vivo.wallet

Weather -> com.vivo.weather

Weather -> com.vivo.dream.weather

Weather Widget -> com.vivo.widgetweather

Weather Storage -> com.vivo.weather.provider

Warranty - com.vivo.warranty

Sim - com.vivo.simcontacts

Music - com.vivo.musicwidgetmix

Game - com.vivo.gametrain
[Vivo X70 Pro+] Robsjo:
Amazing, thanks again!
[Vivo X70 Pro+] alextn99:
Have any of you updated to the latest Origin OS patch? I'm on PD2145C_A_5.13.3

After the update my phone can't type in certain parts, screen seems to have "died" or something. Not sure exactly what happened here but it's driving me nuts. Any help appreviated!
[Vivo X70 Pro+] piskr:
I have the same system and ran the screen touch test. No such issue, all screen is sensitive to touches.
[Vivo X70 Pro+] Dutch-Vivo:
Thank you for taking the time to reply with this very very detailed reaction.

You might be right and it made me think again.

It might be just a step too far for most and since I'm not sure on what side of the fence I am I probably shouldn't do this ....

I will see about the Swede and his experience and then make up my mind.

I agree that if you remove certain apps it could hamper the function of the device and in return make it worse than it could be and this would result in an unfair comparison.

I do like your detailed list and that comforts me in a way as it would save a lot of trial and error, I thank you for that.

AOS/AOD, right now my AOD is very limited on the ROG2 so I'm used to that. Time, battery level And the date are the most important anyway.

I would miss my Led indicator but you won't see these on any devices anymore.

As long as notifications appear on top of the screen when unlocking the device I should be good.

Why did you change the launcher ? It's very versatile in Ocean and you can customize it with swip gestures and everything.

Right now I'm used to swipe gestures and I enjoy the 'back' swipe on the right edge of the screen and the 'home' swipe up down at the bottom.

I will see and think about transferring to Vivo a bit more.
[Vivo X70 Pro+] piskr:
Hi,

Why custom launcher? Because I'm more or less an Android guy, I've always been. Ocean launcher is more IOS oriented. I know that I sacrificed a lot with the launcher change. All beautiful widgets (some of them still has partially Chinese labels though) and a lot of additional notifications options. I don't care a lot about notifications, but if you lean on them a lot, I advise you to go with the system launcher. It has so much additional notification possibilities that you can hardly see elsewhere. Among others, side light trigger instead of the led indicator.

Retaining basic system launcher, I have all the swipes too. But anyway, I recommend that you start with the Ocean launcher first and see how it suits your needs.
[Vivo X70 Pro+] Dutch-Vivo:
Thanks again.

It's very very helpful, also for people that wish to dive into this matter in the upcoming months/year.
[Vivo X70 Pro+] Robsjo:
Hey man, I found a guide for OriginOS aod notifications on lock screen(I think). You have to put translation on it because its chinese. But the article seems written this year so maybe works. Give it a go? M.znj.com/news/89005.html
[Vivo X70 Pro+] Dutch-Vivo:
Looks promising ...

Did you btw get your IQOO 9 pro yet ?
[Vivo X70 Pro+] Robsjo:
Yaa I was under the impression that you could not read notifications from the lock screen but as you said it seems like no issue on the Iqoo 9 Pro :)

Its currently in Holland making its way to Sweden, next week hopefully 🤙🏼
[Vivo X70 Pro+] Dutch-Vivo:
Well, I'm in Holland so I'm gonna rob the post office now ..

I'm sorry man but I need it :D
[Vivo X70 Pro+] Robsjo:
Hahah! "Picked up at postal office in NL" wtf! 😅

What do you think so far does the trigger-buy-finger land on the Iqoo 9 Pro?
[Vivo X70 Pro+] Dutch-Vivo:
You tell me ... Hahahaha

Really really curious on how it will pan out and how you will fare with Origin Ocean here in the EU.

It will be the deciding factor for me.

Really curious about the 'downsides' as things like the camera, charging speed, display, etc are crystal clear to me.

The software is in the end the factor that will make or break a device.
[Vivo X70 Pro+] Robsjo:
Ya on the same page here, OriginOs is make it or brake it for me to, though I watched video on a dude called "Flossy Carter" on youtube giving the phone an hour long(!) review. He seems very happy about it and he is in the US. Fingers crossed =)
[Vivo X70 Pro+] Dutch-Vivo:
Flossy is just entertaining, he's funny and a boss ... BUT ..

He really isn't a good reviewer to be fair.

All his reviews are pretty much the same and there are no real tests and facts.

Like ALL big YouTubers they don't use these phones.

Don't believe a word when they say they use the devices for weeks as their main device ... Bull****.

They have way too many subs and make a LOT of money to take a chance on a new device and put on all their stuff. And they change phones like underwear so they won't have the time.

They will always have 1 main 'administration' device where they receive their email, do banking, buy products, get calls from friends, etc.

They will use it as a clean phone and have their life on there. They can't afford to be 'offline' while installing and troubleshooting.

You really think they setup each review device with all their apps, preferences, 2 way authentication, etc etc ?? It takes regular folks a day or more to fully install a new device, transfer stuff and make it the way you like it and have your stuff where you need it.

It's much much more than a contact list downloaded by Google.

Flossy also fails to review the important devices from Samsung in time. Still no S22ULTRA review while everybody and his mom did one.

Same with the S20 ultra which review never came. Same with the Fold 2, review never came.

Yet every 2 bit device, BT speaker, headset and 100 cases do pass the channel.

It's all the same to me and he's not really critical anymore these days.

With the IQOO9 you don't hear anything about the OS quirks so you would think he has all the notifications and such.

Nah, he won't notice them as the device is not being really used as a main device but just for pictures, games, videos and basic stuff during a time period and then it ends up in a drawer or is sold.

That's how big YouTubers roll.
[Vivo X70 Pro+] Robsjo:
Yes thats true thats how the youtube reviewers work, his video did somehow stand out from the rest a little because he dived in a little deeper into the OS. I have seen plenty of reviews on this phone and they all follow the same path; design, charging speed, camera, display etc. Every review is mostly from a script.

This is why I get in to these forums to see from 'real' users how the devices actually operates in real life :)
[Vivo X70 Pro+] Dutch-Vivo:
Yes, in these forums you have a better chance to actually hear experiences that matter.

Much less sugarcoating compared to Youtube.