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[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] :
88x31 is quite small, can it be like 100x40?

Anyways, I was wandering if Gecko's icon is still the same or you've changed it?

If you have, can I have the icon in png. Thanks.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N1c0_ds:
I can send you a SVG file and a bitmap :)

I recommend Inkscape, as it allows scaling.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] :
I use Paint.net and GIMP,it doesn't support SVG files, so I'll take the bitmap.

Thanks.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] :
Here are 2 designs I came up with, it may not look so eye-candy because it's too small.

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[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N1c0_ds:
I like the first one, as Gecko will probably be in red, yellow and white. However there is no set look so you can change the icon, make a new one and go wild!

I'm not a good graphic designer ;)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] :
Another badge and a icon I created. I hope it suits Gecko.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] chrisrc1985:
Guys - Project seems like a very good idea, just read about it, checked the website, looks good, read that it is still very beta and most functions will not work, however would like to point out, when the application is opend, first and only thing you see is a search menu, along with the santa hat. This is a problem because my initial impression was, 'ok well how broad is this search engine, what is its primary function? from reading the site and the main post, I gatherd this was to be sorth of an app store, I then put in the term, 'games' 'themes' 'pictures' 'software' all coming empty (of course its not done, therefore everything will not be included)

I just think it would be a little easier for users if there was some sort of context box under the search engine to help guide users.

Thanks
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] pmow:
Yes, the UI needs some base work. You also can achieve better performance if users are not able to load the entire database, but only search, select through categories, etc. You could even have a top 10 :) But this is all application-side mostly, so I'm sure it will come in time.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] DarkAngelFR:
I'm not talking in place of Nico so cannot guarantee this but I think this will come soon ;)

Top 10 is not only application side, for this you need the application to "send" to central data what user installed and to send this information back to other users....so application and server - side I think (nico will correct me if I say stupid things ^^)

Just to let you know that the website has some improvement and blogging informations.... ;) a dedicated forum for Gecko was put online also (Mods tell us if we can post here the link or not :confused:)

See Ya'!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N1c0_ds:
Yes, a top 10 is totally feasible by adding a tag to the tag list, something such as "<feat>" so the application could only retrieve featured apps from the database. As for the current beta, yes, it has the happy holidays image but it won't be changed until the next release (which will then update itself).

I plan to make the home screen as useful as possible. It will be something that supports showing and hiding elements and show notifications a bit like on Facebook for updates.

As usual it's just a matter of time. Your ideas are excellent!

Its forum.getgecko.org, by the way ;)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N1c0_ds:
There is a new thread on the Gecko forums for those interested in applying for the closed beta.

forum.getgecko.org :D
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] :
icons

some icons i come up with, quite small and basic though ...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N1c0_ds:
The colors are absolutely astounding (not trying to flatter you here, I'm honest), but I doubt these convey the purpose of the application very well.

I attached below a remix of an icon from the open source Tango icon library. It's just an idea, but something more abstract would be just as great!

Love your work, keep it up!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] :
icon

Thanks Nick. I created an icon like the apple ad in apple iphone web page. I really like this icon and I think I will update this icon's design.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N1c0_ds:
Yes! It's starting to look great! The simple shape of the device is a great improvement for 32x32 icons. The colors are also a great idea.

Don't forget WM icons are 256 colors, 16x16, 32x32 and 64x64 ;)

Keep up the good work!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N1c0_ds:
I made a little something based on your icon. I'm not an expert, but here it is! The device is not wide enough. I'll use a better design but the concept is there and I think it's great. Should we take it or stick with the old design?

Again I used Inkscape, a program I highly recommend!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] :
It looks very nice but the squares are transparent, I used Tango! colors for my icon. I think it'll be nice to stick with my idea for the icon.

I cannot use Inkscape now because I have to learn how to use Inkscape etc. ( I am not saying Inkscape is not a good software)

Could you give me the phone design you created in your icon ( I like it ) and I'll see what I can do.

Really good job though !!!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] :
here's an example
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Existentialism:
So when are we looking at a public beta for this? Will it be before MS releases theirs?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N1c0_ds:
Hopefully soon!

I'm totally redoing the core and I'm almost done, so expect something different!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Iceman692:
i like his best.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] here4info:
This is the best one so far.. meaningful and not too gaudy..
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] kanaziwok:
If you need a FTP for .CAB ... send me un "PM"

I can get you a 10Go FTP, not very fast, but it's steal a 10Go.

Whereas, I'm not sure that the FTP can be access by other country than France, to be confirm :) . But Http is acceassible by everybody :)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] ranmasaotome510:
So.... Gecko Died? lol, Status? Helloooo?!!?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] 12aon:
All but, check the site should not be long before gecko 4.0 is coming and it will be great! :)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] gmanfuzing:
lol im ready for this next version to be out already ! i wanna try it !!!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N1c0_ds:
A few updates, I'm back to work!

If anyone wants to help me work directly on the code, I'll set up my FTP so it syncs with the local source code. Suggestions will be welcome.

I wanted to keep this semi open source, but I'm way too busy to keep actively working on Gecko without any substantial income. The job, finals, friends and girlfriend take all of my free time, leaving me with little time to work on the project. On top of that, I rarely feel like rebooting to Windows when there's my blazing fast Ubuntu install doin' it all for me.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N1c0_ds:
I got tired of working alone on this project so I put the source online for anyone wishing to download it.

I did enough for this project and I'll now move on to more important things. Hopefully someone will bring it to release someday.

Getgecko.org
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Who-m3:
Your site has fallen offline, I can't get the source that way. Any chance you can PM me a link to it, or perhaps send it to an e-mail I give you once you pm me? If you need I can throw it on my RS account (valid till december), just a matter of you asking me to..

-John
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] jdiperla:
Better yet, just attach it as a file on this board.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] kaches:
Status

So, what's the current Gecko's status? Is it dead? :(
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] jdiperla:
Supposedly it is cancelled from what I understand. But the source should be around here somewhere. If we could only find it...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] quicksite:
A small reflection on volunteer collaborative projects

Hey N1c0_ds, I feel for you. I'm not a coder so there is nothing I am capable of doing. But this speaks to me as just another example of volunteerism. I've experienced it within US citizen politics a lot. The predictable pattern:

I used to get resentful of this pattern, since I have initiated many things that initially had promise and buy-in... But now I have come to acceptance that this is the way of volunteerism.

I undertand that "open source" is a whole other beast, with different culture, different patterns of participation.

One problem is that this site is so sprawling that the division of forums reached the point of too many pathways for members to monitor and try to plug into. As a result, the information design is a mess here... And, as is common with most community sites, users make suggestions, but they are almost universally rejected by site owners. There are hundreds of examples of this.

The only suggestion I would make, before you abandon this, is to repost this project and frame the message in a different way. I know this issue was wildly debated, but I still feel that working against the project is a name that does nothing at all to indicate what the thing is. When I look at your posting: [DEV] Gecko App Manager - Source now available! ...

... I could easily think "what is this? a way to organize my apps on my device, maybe marking some as "my favorites", etc... Or I might think "oh, i think this maybe will detect when there is a new version of an app, and alert me to where the new download is."... etc.

If you were to position is more like this, you might get some new attention, I'm just saying:

xda-developers	> General discussion	> Development and Hacking	>

[DEV] XDA's own WinMo App Store: Coders needed to complete working model

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To me, this helps new people to the Development & Hacking forum understand just what exactly it is you're doing, and what you need.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] quicksite:
(accidental repost)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] djboo:
Im willing to take this project on - i know we soon will have an app store but firstly - its always good to have competition - and im not that hopeful for the ms one...

im likely to code from ground up rather take existing source.

i will attempt to make it themeable - but more than anything i want it to match htc home

i already have a dedicated server - but i will attempt to make it auto fail over to other servers if anyone wants to contribute.

Ill get some concrete details tomorrow night and work on it over this weekend
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] corepda:
I have PIM backup for all my PIM needs. But when it comes to applications I am helpless. I wish to have an application which lets me save the settings of application as they are with their respective files(wherever they are). so that in case I do a ROM update I could click that application backup & it restores all app settings with their files in their respective folder(where they were before ROM upgrade). This would be too cool & would let lot others to try any new ROM w/o fearing of the applications re-setup.

I have had an experience of an application that saves the application somehow through .ini files(dont know its name) but that really didn't work.

I use sprite backup but although it has all the ROM upgrade option, but it is again not based on certain application backup option but rather system backup option.

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Wondering if there is an application that does the backup for the entries of remove programs. :)

This would cool. My donations are always ready for such an app. :D

Any idea guyz?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] quicksite:
search here for "Sashimi"

This app exists.... it's just, really surprisingly, not very known to many ROM cookers... Search for "sashimi" here, and also on YouTube. They have instructional videos on how to use it. I have, in past, set aside time to try to follow the instructions.... and I know for some people it seems simple, but for me, I have still never been coached about how to use it.

But it is the very app you dream of. Maybe you can help re-introduce it to XDA ... It's just beyond me how it can be so ignored. ... oh yes, now I think I recall: something about the developer running into problems here at XDA, and being encouraged to take his ball & bat elsewhere... which he did... so i guess that's largely why the app is unknown here.

thank you.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N1c0_ds:
Gentlemen...

Alright gentlemen, here is the source code.

This is a straight-to-zip version of what I was working on, so it might be a bit complicated to understand it at first. However, Basic4PPC code is very easy to understand especially when it's well formated. The IDE costs under 50 bucks, but you can also edit the source as a text file (but it might produce errors!). Make sure you use the latest HTML library, not the one that comes with the current Basic4PPC release.

Also, a small file server will be needed. I can provide some FTP space for testing alone, but don't trust my Hostmonster account to handle a public release!

I hope someone will bring Gecko as far as it deserves to be pushed. As for me, I pretty much lost all hope in Windows Mobile and will switch to a Pre or iPhone as soon as it is feasible. It was an enjoyable ride, but its over for me. I learned a lot from the experience, had a lot of fun and made a few bucks so it was all worth it. Thanks a lot for all your support over time.

I would really appreciate a small donation for what's in that zip. The source comes without any license, so mess with it as you will, but give credits and share your work!

Thank you,

-Nick
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] corepda:
Thanks QuickSite, I will try it & will get back soon. Let you know how does it work. Cheers again.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] djboo:
thanks dude... i hope ill have the first test version end of weekend, thats if i finish bugfixing my xbox game hehe.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] corepda:
Poor Sashimi sucks. I am not able to understand it inspite of reading its 50 odd pages HTML. :(

Although it may be helpful for others but its not for me certainly.

I am still searching for my answer
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] andrelukmana:
Good idea bro
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] djboo:
finally some progress

http://www.modaco.com/content/apptodate/290881/firesale-apptodate-based-app-store/
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] RealmKnight:
Is this still going on, or no? Tried all of the links, but all I get are blank pages or DNS errors.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] :
the site is blank
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] quicksite:
If you are trying to reach the author, you might try via these pages:

http://nicbou.wordpress.com/2008/11/22/getgeckoorg-is-online/

http://www.intomobile.com/2009/01/1...ore-kind-of-experience-to-windows-mobile.html

... fwiw ...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Keland44:
sounds like a good idea

rating system would still be nice too i think and maybe number of times downloaded be good for the developers nice ego boost if the app is doing well ya know
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N1c0_ds:
Updated.

I'm now taking submissions until I have enough to properly test the "engine".

I will need some hosting space at some point. About 20mb (max) and some bandwidth. This is in a while.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] :
RE: Aldur

Do you prefer this ? I'm not sure what you want though, hope it helps ...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N1c0_ds:
I love it!

However the search box should be at the top for SIP keyboards. This is a great yet simple design, good job!

I completed the cab installer and I'll continue tomorrow. It takes 15 seconds to load 1100 entries and 3 to search through them (in all fields).

Progress!

Oh and for the name, do you guys have any ideas? AppFront? Cabby? GetCab? CabGet? AppGet? Appjet? Getpack? Snap? Katalog? Fridge? Toaster? Grab? CabBox? AppBox? File Box? Breeze? Repo?

...

I'm going to bed!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Arktronic:
Toaster, huh? How about Pocket Cylon? ;)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] ramontrotman:
Xda store or Xda marketplace
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Draiko:
Why not just modify an RSS feed reader?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] galt:
I kind of like AppFront. Maybe XDA AppFront (XAF) if it's primarily going to be a resource for XDA community memebers?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] agovinoveritas:
Although good idea, it has been done before with Apptodate. Search it. :P
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] sadoway:
what about "XDA GECOH"

Where gecoh means "get every cab on here"

but say it like gecko.... or however you spell that lizzard
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] mrabie:
I like the idea, especially after installing ubuntu linux and used the package manager that comes with it. It's also better than searching through the forum for an application that a member might not remember the name and starting new threads.

If you need any help with the development i'd be more than happy to help

good luck!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N1c0_ds:
I like how it sounds. I spent the night making up such names but they all sounded strange.

"Gecko software store"
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] fluid888:
how about something like this for the gui?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] aldur:
what about CabFridge or AppFridge

(the hotest place to get cool apps ;))
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] nir36:
i'm willing to aid with graphical design if you wish.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] curious george:
I don't know if this will help but there seems to be a lot of stuff on different blogs in trying to figure out how to create a device based interface that can sift through the programs, themes, utilities etc that it will have to handle and still provide a low memory foot print at the same time. Here is an idea that may help.

Emunutz developed a phenominal program known as the HTC Home Customizer http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=319308. He managed a device based program that allowed a user to view available themes etc on a server, even get a preview of them, before it was downloaded. Then once it was selected a user could down load what they wanted, leave what they didn't. He was able to use categories to sort clocks, themes, icons, backgrounds etc etc etc.

Maybe you could use this as an idea jump point?? The framework is already there it just needs to be adapted to this idea a little and given a better thumb friendly interface. Maybe if you contact Emunutz he can help in giving some pointers as to how to work it and even maybe let you use his framework. I know a lot of people, probably including him, would like to see this idea explode!!!!

Good Luck,

Curious G.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] nir36:
oo.. i think it's the first time i've seen a post by curious george without marking someone with a sniper rifle :)

(as i do)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Keland44:
I'm kinda think i like that too

and we just call it Gecoh for short

i like the progress on this i wonder if we can get the mod's on this too to get developers more eager to use this as a way of distribution

give each developer a number so we can search for the apps developed by that developer by there code

rating system

and download count

still throwing those out there as suggestions
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Radimus:
Isn't this very much like CRC's device update that he built into his latest ROMs
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] curious george:
Do you see any red dots floating around you my friend?!??! LOL ;)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N1c0_ds:
Okay I'll get the graphics thing cleared once and... for a while.

I will not use graphics in the first version (at least in the first beta version). I'll take care of the fancy buttons later as it's easy to swap a button for a clickable image.

UPDATE: Okay, MAYBE I will... ^_^

I'm taking application submission requests here, nowhere else:

http://nicbou.com/2008/10/13/giving-the-repository-project-its-wings/

http://nicbou.com/2008/10/13/giving-the-repository-project-its-wings/

http://nicbou.com/2008/10/13/giving-the-repository-project-its-wings/

Here's a better-looking icon. The second is in 256 colors (for WM!):
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] joel2009:
you might even be able to integrate it into having its own tab in those programs ----WOWSERS!!---- :)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] joel2009:
also to let you know microsoft is going to create an "app store" to be released with win mo 7..... but who ever trusted microsoft to do things right :)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N1c0_ds:
NO IPHONE THEME

This application will not run in full screen. I think this new trend doesn't make any sense. WM is a multitasking platform and I want to keep it this way. It WILL be beautiful and will feature neat gestures (hence the small arrows) and stuff but it's not going to be another copy of the Iphone UI.

I made a quick draft of the UI for testing purposes and this is how it looks (add text and a search bar to it). This is just the pattern, not the actual look.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Midget_1990:
I dont know if you saw eralier in the thread but I'm offering hosting for this.

Also i'd like to point out that XML is a much better way to go than CSV.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N1c0_ds:
But its longer to load and I'm already at 13 seconds on my Elf for 1100 entries! That's what I'll be working on tonight.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Midget_1990:
I think you will find that if the code takes advantage of it XML will be much quicker in this application:

for example: you only want to loads cabs compatible with device X, why load a whole CSV file into memory that also contains cabs from devices Y and Z when you can just load the device X section of the XML file?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] :
Gecoh Project Badge

I was bored so I created a badge !

[URL="http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=436127"]
[IMG]http://xdaforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=122113&stc=1&d=1224131226[/IMG][/URL]

By the way, when can we expect a release ?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Kraize:
Holy ****wad! This is the greatest thing I've ever heard in the history of wm developement since TouchXperience. But will the project only be exclusive apps from the developers of xda-dev? Since if you decide to do all apps like the iPhone's store, it will pretty much die when Microsoft releases their app store. So if it's xda-dev exclusive, it could possibly be the greatest thing ever if the plan is excuted propery (but I think you already know that I was just writing down my excitement ;))

Btw I think the name should be Xda-dev =/ I really think so.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] ronschaefer:
Sweet Idea - here is my take on the icon

This is my suggestion for the icon - since it sounds like gecko why not add one to the icon
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] ronschaefer:
Gecko icon for Gecoh

I uploaded the .bmp files but not sure how to get them up on the board for peeps to look at. If someone knows how to show them without having to download them can they make a post for me

Thanks