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[XPERIA X1 General] xperian:
One of the very few guys in the X1 board who actually knows what hes talking about. congrats.

To everyone else:

- xperiancers.com is run by Wolfstar Inc. , a marketing company. The PR people there don't really know what they talk about.

- Tracy & Matt are average press guys who got promotion material and an X1 for "review". They do not know what they're talking about.

- pdadb is like Wikipedia. I couldn't care less about *that* source.

- All the fanboys here have no idea what they are talking about (any of you studied EE/computer architecture/circuit design?) No? Thought so.

- Magnus is a moron.

- Tech sheet is old, but could be right. I mean, developers need it to get thier work done.

- NO, absolutly NO phone has 128MB of graphics ram. The graphics ram is just a part of the main ram. Look at low-end desktop pcs, even those don't have dedicated graphics but can easily do (HD-) 3D graphics/video decoding and stuff.

- The only guys who really know are the engineers who built this thing, but the aren't allowed to talk to the public about their work.

- AND FINALLY: the average consumer doesn't give a **** about RAM size.
[XPERIA X1 General] Agaas:
Hmm what a mystery,

Still cant get how a big company as sony ericsson cant give out a decent spec sheet WITHOUT any unanswered questions. Btw, maby someone has got pictures of a "nude" touch pro circuit board to make a comparasion?

Oh btw, my new favorite qoute:
[XPERIA X1 General] Kloc:
In low-end desktop pcs when that ram is switched to video ram it is taken out of the shown available ram. ex if a computer has 2GB or ram and 128mb go to the video then you only see 1.85GB of your ram when you look in properties.

So if its the same case as low end desktop pc's then we still wouldn't see it. Unless you find the chip that shows 256mb ram. If that's the case then case solved thats all this thing is going to have.
[XPERIA X1 General] qpwoeipt:
Good point, so what about Htc touch pro ? It's known to have dedicated ram to graphics, and it shows having 288MB Ram.

So in your theory, touch pro has more memory than the 288MB, because of the hidden graphics ram. Really believe in this ? I don't think so. Everyone agrees that this value includes the dedicated graphics memory.

So either you are wrong, and actual Sweden X1 only have 256MB and are commercial prototypes not the final retail unit. Or maybe there's no X1 with 384MB of Ram :(

What I believe is there is an area of ram being reserved for graphics use. So system shows all ram size (this is an simplified OS, not a PC OS), and unfortunately until now there is only 256MB of ram.

Now have to give my congrats to xperian because that's the real truth, everyone talks about what others talk, and in the end no one knows what is talking about. At least I can say yes to this :D :any of you studied EE/computer architecture/circuit design? I'm studying EE and love it :)
[XPERIA X1 General] Kloc:
I don't really believe anything until I have good proof. I was only contradicting your point about the low end pcs that's all :)
[XPERIA X1 General] Pinguino1:
Hi xperian, well done. You put all the dots to i's and bars to t's

Still I have a question.

Yes VRAM is old history. It was a necessity with DRAM because the read/erase technology at that time made necessary to have a separate VRAM to feed the frame to the video port .

But since the advent of the faster access SDRAM it is possible to share the memory with the graphics by reading it during the frames interrupts.

So the question is could it be than the total SDRAM memory actually is 384MB with a shared 128MB for the graphics frame?

.
[XPERIA X1 General] ikeabuchi:
pinguino1 That was music to my ears, You are correct about the interrupt driven vram writes to frame buffer,
[XPERIA X1 General] Insaneboy:
It's like a technological orgy in here :P

Do continue, truth is born in discussion! :D
[XPERIA X1 General] Black93300ZX:
You have 17 posts, you're not here to make anything. People who have been around for a long time and contributed to this forum have the full right to insult me if I cause problems, but you're not one of those. You're the type person that leeches information and software for your own use and gives nothing back, then you have the audacity to insult me because I have a differing opinion. You know what? You're right, I do have a different opinion about the Xperia, I don't think it's the holy grail of mobile devices. But hey, I've answered more questions and released more information in my 1300 posts than you have in your 17, so why don't you learn your place?
[XPERIA X1 General] bloob:
I made that comment not because you have a differing opinion. You're entitled to that. But it is because of your attitude and behaviour in this forum.

What gives you the right to be abusive, disrespectful, arrogant, impolite and rude to people? Your 1300 posts?

My 17 posts have as much right of place as your 1300 posts. And I have as much rights as anyone else to bring people like you to task for your behaviour.
[XPERIA X1 General] temka:
a stupid thought maybe..

Ppl, just a thought..

1) There was someone who mentioned that the amount of RAM is *always* a "two-in-power-of-XX" multiple, e.g. 128, 256, 512, etc.

2) If (1) is true, how on Earth can HTC's TP have 288 Mb? Does it? Or does it not?

3) If (2) is true and TP has 288Mb, can it be treated as a proof of possibility for X1 to have other "real" amount of RAM than 256, for example 3xx?
[XPERIA X1 General] Black93300ZX:
I'm abusive? I don't recall being abusive in this thread. I think you're the one that called me out when i hadn't said a word to you, nor had anyone else, throwing yourself into the fire. Moderators see what I do, if they take action that's their decision, it's not up to you to jump in and say what you think is right. Let me reiterate this... You now have 18 posts, and 2 of them are insulting me. When more than 10% of your posts are starting arguments, I don't think you're much better than I am. As for "bringing me to task for my behaviour", although that really doesn't make sense in the English language (note how the red squiggly line shows up under "behaviour") you don't have the same right. Moderators can criticize me and penalize me, if someone like olipro or cmonex or jasjammin told me to shut up I'd listen, because I respect them for what they've done for this community. As for you, you do not mean anything to this community, so no, you don't reserve the right to jump into a thread insulting me and getting the thread off topic.
[XPERIA X1 General] Black93300ZX:
It's a definite possibility that there is 384 of RAM split between program memory and graphics, but there's only 256MB to the program memory, as it is shown in the specs. I'm not so sure why this is so difficult, SE must have the worst marketing in history that they can't clarify their own specs. The Xperia's spec sheet has always said 256MB, Xperiancers was the only place the 384 was mentioned.
[XPERIA X1 General] msalmank:
The worst EVER! Various specs of the device are going around, so it would be the professional thing to release the confirmed specs on their web-site, but Noooo!!!
[XPERIA X1 General] erichui:
1. well I haven't seen any complete "inside" picture or diagram of the Touch pro or x1. But amount of RAM is in the amount of Power of 2 because they work with binaries (0s or 1s)

2. well think about it, how do desktop computers has RAM of 384MB? you could have a stick of 256mb and also another 128mb.. or otherwise.. from what I read some people were saying that the Touch pro has 384mb with 96mb reserved for graphics, that would make it 288mb?

I am not saying that x1 or touch pro has 384mb ram or otherwise. Unless someone fully inspect everything inside the phones (like knowing how many memory chips for RAM are there actually), I guess we can't really make a conclusion?

3. Well I guess I don't need to try answer this anymore.
[XPERIA X1 General] Tekka:
Wow you guys are sure passionate about these phones to get into arguements like that. Information is about to be release soon and people are starting to get their orders so I don't know what there is to get sore about. I say just wait another couple of weeks until official info comes out then you can discuss who was right and who was wrong.

but i guess i understand where its coming from, i still argue with my roomate on which console has better specs Xbox 360 or PS3 and its already been a out for a while already. Xbox 360 has better specs btw lol...
[XPERIA X1 General] Black93300ZX:
Haha I'm really not passionate about this phone at all, I just don't think it's necessary for a nobody to jump in the middle of a conversation and insult me when they weren't a part of it in the first place. I'm not buying the Xperia nor am I buying the Touch Pro, so this doesn't affect me whatsoever. My biggest point of this argument is that the specs don't mean anything at all, how it performs is what counts. If everything runs 100% and as well as you'd expect from a thousand dollar device, it's a good buy. Personally, from what I've seen, it doesn't. Okay, so it's only slow sometimes, it's only slow on certain panels... You paid $1000 for this phone, do you think it should ever be slow? That's just my take on it, but as for the Xperia lovers who won't be told otherwise, don't let logic get in the way of your debate.
[XPERIA X1 General] Tekka:
the only reason i like the xperia is because of the larger screen if the touch pro had a 3"wide screen i'd be all over it.

i don't even know if this device even work with t-mobile 3g yet so which ever device t-mobile get will be the device i use.

I don't think anyone should judge the performance of these things yet id say wait until it's released and let the rom cookers here create some lite roms and then benchmark it.

sony probably fill this thing up with bloaware with full of bugs
[XPERIA X1 General] Andy Guts:
I agree with you that it's the end result that matters, I don't really care if it has 384 or 256MB RAM as long as it's enough to run WM and the common applications.

But I do not agree with you that it doesn't handle this well. From my experience of using this phone for over a week for work (office, exchange active sync, web etc) and for fun (movies, games, music, radio etc) the phone doesn't only run everything 100% as well as I expected but even better. It's always fast to work with and I don't think anyone can complain about ~2 secs for loading a panel, I've never complained that my computer doesn't boot instantly or that my TV takes a few seconds after startup to show the picture.

As for the RAM usage, when I check the task manager I'm always between 30%-50% RAM used and that's when I have quite a few programs open. It would be hard to max out the RAM even if I tried.

Is there enough RAM memory in the X1? Yes.
[XPERIA X1 General] Andy Guts:
Remember that it is already released in Sweden and there are many users of it here now ;)

The software that came with the phone is actually very solid, I haven't encountered a single bug, hang up or annoyance. The installation is also quite clean, it's WM6.1, Opera, Google Maps and then the panels of course.
[XPERIA X1 General] easycure1974:
I agree :) I have used a lot of WM devices and this one beats them all in speed and stability - for sure the best WM device available now
[XPERIA X1 General] Black93300ZX:
Well that's EXACTLY what matters, I'm glad you're happy with it. As long as it's worth the money to you, you're golden. That being said, I still want Android and a capacitive screen, so I'll be waiting around for a while until a phone like that hits AT&T.
[XPERIA X1 General] Black93300ZX:
Okay so let's look at high end graphics cards. The video card I have in my computer now has 512MB of memory. I had a Radeon X700 Pro, 256MB DDR3 RAM I believe (this was 4 years ago)... It ran Half Life 2 on its highest settings, as well as Battlefield 2, Doom 3, FEAR, etc. 128MB cards (my 9600XT was that I believe) can still run those games, not maxed out but on medium settings. Can your phone run those? No, it would fall on its face. The graphics processor in itself is better, and the computer obviously has more RAM and a faster processor, but if you can use 128MB to do those things it would amaze me if they needed it in a phone. It's beyond excessive, it'd have to be incredibly inefficient to have that much RAM for video and use it (or even close to that much) for the small things it does.
[XPERIA X1 General] ikeabuchi:
black93300ZX make a very valid point which you can not ignore. For a $1000 dollar phone you would expect a stellar bit of machinery, The design of the Phone is impeccable no doubt plus hardware layout is brillant, But its a dying Platform msm7200A has the longevity of a lace-wing in this smartphone rennaissance, I will only get the xperia just to open it up and check underneath the shield, then give it to my Daughter, Come 2009, hehehehe

That when you will see what the wait is for ....... Every one with the xperia

will be gutted....trust me on this one the xperia going to be classed as a low end device not middle.....lowend thats it,

and I am not bothering to wait for the Xperia x2, The Sun would probably turn into a RED GIANT by then
[XPERIA X1 General] easycure1974:
Of course better devices will be released in 2009 - would be strange otherways don´t you think? :) But waiting for a better device to be released you could wait forever. You know that in late 2009 even better devices will be released than early 2009. Perhaps we should wait for 2015 to arrive? :)
[XPERIA X1 General] Insaneboy:
Why bother getting those 2009 devices??

Just wait for 2010, those sets will be even better!!

Or you can just wait for 2011...
[XPERIA X1 General] Black93300ZX:
Haha I get the same feeling sometimes... Right now, though, I feel we're on the brink of a ton of great new devices coming out. Xperia, Touch Pro, Touch HD, G1, you name it they got it. As much as you can make a case for one being "better" than the other, they all have the same processor, all have the same RAM (roughly), the same camera except the HD, there's no one phone that has its head above the crowd. I'm waiting for that next step, the phone that will do what the iPhone did 2 years ago, stand out as being better than anything else out there. I don't care what you iPhone haters say, I'd never own one, but when that phone released there was nothing else that had the same feel. I think Android is going to be the way a lot of developers funnel their resources, so that's where I'll be going.
[XPERIA X1 General] ikeabuchi:
My dear friends you dont get the point, Its the smartphone rennaissance 2009, the longevity of theses Platforms are just that long, and wont be radically beaten for a long time, 1080p camcorder function lol why would i want to better that, the convergence of theses devices will weasel their way into the market of other dedicated multimedia devices such as the handycam

notebook HD multimedia devices, its the old cliche but with a twist

Jack of all trades and Master of ALL,

I can name a half dozen of these platforms coming out 2009 alone,

the advancement of technology and the requirement of the masses created theses beast of architectures, we are exponential meeting the dream devices

in many a form but same platform/s

and I can guarantedd you this .....When or if you get any of theses devices 2009

You will keep it for more than 5 years and I speculate the existing architecture is scalable but why would you want to scale something that is so powerful......big tings happening 2009, may well be called the golden era of handheld that how radical I can foresee these time

Maybe a new Name/Description will have to be made for these devices

ATH alien tech handhelds,...come thats a joke....
[XPERIA X1 General] Black93300ZX:
You have to remember, though, as cell phones get better so does everything else. There are cell phones out now with 8MP cameras, but I remember when the nicest affordable ($350 at the time) digital cameras out there were 5MP. Now you can get 10MP cameras for $99.
[XPERIA X1 General] cHarOn99:
haha funny, sure it will come an revolution and i give nothing on it :), i want an stable, great pda phone, thats it and that is the X1 definitly, android is not ready in my eyes, but it will have sucess and will get an really great platform if they release an different design omg did you ever look on that cheap piece of G1 hahaha, next year maybe it will start, so also nothing i am interessted right now. I dont need 1000mhz cpu and dont need Farcry2 running on it :).

So wait all, i can understand that and it is ok, but i want now an good device and it was an long time waiting for me to get an good device :) after buying an Loox720 some years ago, this is the first one i am interessted and will the replacement for my handy and pda.

regards werner
[XPERIA X1 General] Kloc:
Well I want a 1000mhz cpu and farcry 2!
[XPERIA X1 General] easycure1974:
You can always dream about tomorrow devices but there is a lot of people that don´t wanna wait. And so what if you "dream" machines appear in 2009? Just sell the old phone and buy a new one. And keep on dreaming that you will keep a device for 5 years :)
[XPERIA X1 General] Rudegar:
and when that "dream machine" reach the shops

something even more wild and crazy will be in the works

with pictures and spcs and other things that will make

people wish they had waited ;)
[XPERIA X1 General] Kloc:
That's how it goes. There will always be something bigger and better coming out so if your waiting for the best your going to be waiting a long time.
[XPERIA X1 General] xperian:
I think you just have to know what you want and what you need. If you don't have clear expectations and a timeframe you'll always be waiting for the next thing.

It the same with women btw :)
[XPERIA X1 General] Pinguino1:
Hi Kloc,

Today's changes are faster than ever, the future is here, 1000 mhz is not a dream neither a luxury. The gap beteen mobile and laptops is closing and the power to do it is here.

Just take a look at the Tegra 650 computer in chip smaller than a dime with low power enough for a week at 800mhz. It is in the market already for the mobile devices.

http://www.nvidia.com/object/io_1212391368499.html
[XPERIA X1 General] Kloc:
Well hell maybe I should wait till they put one of those babies in a device lol.
[XPERIA X1 General] ikeabuchi:
My particular response was aimed directly upon the utilisation of a older platform

in the Xperia X1 at a time when a few months the functionally will be mediocre compared to the development of the next gen, If the xperia was release earlier then It would be fine, For an ultimate experience I personally would wait until early 2009, Many SoC (System on Chip) Coincidently are releasing 2009

Why release all theses Beasts around the same time frame, Answer theres a silent battle going on, The manufacturer are fully aware that competing platforms are of equal functionality and will appeal to the public and whichever Company releases theirs first will have the achilles heel. That why I responded

earlier to that particular topic, One particular area. The eyecandy projected on a 2D screen with OpenGL ES2.0 is awesome and how can this get better ?

OpenGL ES1.0/1.1 = Xperia X1 late 2008

OpenGL ES2.0/2.1 = Next Gen late 2008 early 2009
[XPERIA X1 General] Kloc:
Where are these devices? I'd like to see some news on them. Also are they waiting for WM7 to come out? I heard thats pushed back to late 2009.
[XPERIA X1 General] temka:
Keyboard VS Screen

I have been doubting during several weeks whether I should buy an X1 or wait a month until Touch HD release. It seems that the main differences are

- X1 has a hardware keyboard but a 25% smaller screen (in square cm or in)

- HD has no keyboard but a larger screen.

My questions to X1 owners are:

- How often do you need stylus to control X1 (i e icons appear too small on the screen)

- What do you think about the hardware keyboard - is it something to have? Or shall one buy a 2x thinner device and go for a software one?

- HD's on-screen keyboard solution is very much iPhone-like (bigger letter-icons, etc). Has anyone here compared typing-texts-on-iphone with typing-texts-on-x1 in terms of convenience and ergonomics?

PS: bonus question - today I held an X1 in my hands for a couple of minutes. As I can say - the screen coating is very scratchable. Am I wrong? (you can take iPhone or any other device as a comparison)

10x...
[XPERIA X1 General] bloob:
Yes, you are abusive, because you provide information and facts mixed in together with opinion, insults and insinuations. The words I have to describe the likes of you are arrogant and condescending. :mad: You brandish your 1300+ post as it is your right to act the way you are. And now you insult my ability to use the English language, when you don't recognise (recognize) English spelling when you see it. So sorry that I don't use American spelling. :rolleyes:

Since the moderators condone your kind of attitudes and behaviours (behaviors), I have no wish to continue being here. Good bye. :mad:
[XPERIA X1 General] Mr.Sir:
Oh, when can all the stupid people shut up?! The Gpu DOESN'T use Ram, it uses VRAM...
[XPERIA X1 General] xperian:
maybe you should look at your statement again and then consult wikipedia before posting.

short version:

1. VRAM is obsolete and the technology not used anymore. SDRAM replaced it, later DDR-RAM (DDR, GDDR, etc)

2. SDRAM and VRAM are RAM as it is defined: Random Access Memory.

3. There also exist unified architectures, where the normal DDR-RAM is shared with the GPU (think low-end PCs)

oh, and stop insulting people, you wouldn't do that in real life would you?
[XPERIA X1 General] pf:
I don't know nothing about RAM, but if I look at expansys, it is describbed there only with 256 MB: Memory:

- 256MB of SDRAM and 512MB of NAND Flash

- Phone memory: up to 400 MB

- microSD™ memory card support

http://www.expansys.com/d.aspx?i=163411

:rolleyes:
[XPERIA X1 General] foo:
Actually there are 2 possibilities:

1) The GPU has its own dedicated RAM (like PC cards have)

2) The GPU uses a part of the main memory that is shared with the CPU (like older mobile Gfx cards in laptops do)
[XPERIA X1 General] Black93300ZX:
;_;

That's you, crying. Please stop.
[XPERIA X1 General] chrisgoy:
where can i get xperia x1

hi

where can i get sony xperia

which country and shop name
[XPERIA X1 General] chrisgoy:
where can i get xperia x1

hi

where can i get sony xperia

which country and shop name

my email goyhb@yahoo.com
[XPERIA X1 General] Black93300ZX:
Don't put personal information on the forum, and you can search eBay to buy it, I haven't yet seen an online retailer with it.
[XPERIA X1 General] ikeabuchi:
I couldn't have said it better;)
[XPERIA X1 General] Black93300ZX:
I think that's the first time I've ever heard that on this forum... Haha.
[XPERIA X1 General] miky7:
A Horror movie

Can anyone tell us sth about the memory from the video?
[XPERIA X1 General] guap:
the video doesn't show the mainboard in details... so, no luck

and anyway, even if we can see it, i'm not sure about recognizing 2 or 3 ram modules expecially if one have to be separate from the others for the video card as seems to be
[XPERIA X1 General] emwdava:
A mailresponse from SE Call Center

Hi, I mailed a Q to SE almost 2 weeks ago and today I got the answer.

The X1 has never had and never will have 384Mb RAM.

"Hej Daniel!

Tack för att du kontaktade Sony Ericsson Call Center.

Sony Ericsson X1 har alltid haft 256MB och ingenting annat. Uppgiften om 384MB är felaktig och beror på en informationsmiss.

Med vänliga hälsningar,

/Joachim

Sony Ericsson Call Center"

Translated it says:

"Hi Daniel!

Thank you for contacting Sony Ericsson Call Center.

Sony Ericsson X1 has always had 256MB and nothing else. The rumour of 384MB is incorrect and is due to a wrong information.

Sincerely,

/ Joachim

Sony Ericsson Call Center"
[XPERIA X1 General] Agaas:
well, thats what I sais :P

nice getting a confirmation though