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[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] churka:
I think we should stick with getAPP.....

If not, we should go towards something like Cydia which is a name of the iphone app installer
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N1c0_ds:
What... if we kept Gecko?

I'll run a vote on Jan. 10 with all of the names and we'll see then.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] smotrs:
I always liked the name Gecko personally.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] quicksite:
what about Gordon Gecko?

GGapps

sorta a sign o' the times :(
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N1c0_ds:
I've been thinking about it a lot. While we certainly lose some clicks from the huge Gecko layout engine, people got used to the name, I got a domain name, a few banners and a couple of articles and threads that talk about "Gecko".

I'll still run a vote and let you decide what you want.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Draque:the_Plaque:
I think you should stay with Gecko.

Sound really cool. To avoid troubles with the layout engine thing we could use:

G.E.C.K.O.

(A bit like the G.E.E.K. Module in Fallout 3 :) )
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N1c0_ds:
GetGecko.org is currently down. Don't worry about it, I'm just changing servers.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] GanjaBlood:
Although it looks like the Beta is now closed, any chance of having a look at this? Sound really interesting...

One more couldn't possibly hurt :)

GB
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N1c0_ds:
I fear I don't have any .cab left for you around, I'm sorry. As I said earlier, I deleted the Gecko folder by accident and had to rely on a backup. This included the .cab file.

I'll look at the previous server for the .cab and if it's available I'll send it to you.

Also, there's currently no development going on because my Vista partition is FUBAR. Again.

Ubuntu :cool:
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N1c0_ds:
New forum!

A forum was added at GetGecko.org/forum

This is where voting for the name will occur on Jan. 10! :D
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] m.schmidler:
Any date when a new version will be released? I really like the idea and the possibilities, but the usability and design are not that good...You wrote something in your blog about a new version, didn´t you ?

regards,

Martin
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] quicksite:
Hey N1c0_ds, I don't know which is the most current message: this one, or the one at your site saying "hosting provider does not appreciate forums". But why not search & subscribe to a free Forums service (the equivalent of a blogger.com for blogs) and just link to it.

Or, for polling, you could link to a free poll from http://polldaddy.com/ ... just some ideas for you.

Your GetGecko.org site looks great with that theme. keep up the good work!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N1c0_ds:
PollDaddy is what I want to use for the polls, since the forums went down. It worked great with my other blog.

I will focus on programming instead.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] hansjuhvos:
Site down ?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N1c0_ds:
Y'know what? F* Hostmonster.

I'm sorry people.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] l3v5y:
This may have been covered elsewhere, but any chance of a desktop/browser client for Gecko apps? If for example you have fast broadband on your PC, and are limited to GPRS on device, it might be nice to be able to download/browse applications on the desktop.

Thanks for Gecko as is though!

BTW, just submitted a new app for you :)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N1c0_ds:
Yeah that would be possible and incredibly easy to do since the difference between Windows Mobile and Windows is relatively small.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] UnknownDev:
hey nick....

do you know when you can release another .cab

I never got the first BETA..... :-(

do you know where I can find it.....

also check your pm i have something to tell you....
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N1c0_ds:
I took the .cab down to avoid more uninformed negative opinions. I'll send you a link soon.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] BartOtten:
Please send me the link too. I like to live on the edge, with all the risks involved :P
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N1c0_ds:
haha

I'm sorry, I lost the cab when I deleted the source code by accident. You'll have to wait 'till Beta 3.2!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] rjmjr69:
Has anyone seen this?

http://www.istartedsomething.com/20...ket-applications-marketplace-windows-mobile-7
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N1c0_ds:
I did.

However I fear this will not be as good as expected. I'm guessing a complicated management system, no answers to the user's requests, fees for shareware developers and other slightly annoying problems.

Of course Microsoft hasn't shown anything yet so it's hard to say whether Gecko will have its place or not on WM7.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N1c0_ds:
I put Beta 3.1 back online for those who missed it. Enjoy!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] tbaker077:
Interface needs a color update but it works well thank you.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N1c0_ds:
It's not very good-looking indeed but eventually it will be skinnable. It wouldn't be wise to implement this too early.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N1c0_ds:
Voting is ON!

The winner will be picked at the end of the week. I didn't keep all submission as many were already in use.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] churka:
I'm voting now :P
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Dlac87:
hi, first time poster, long time reader.

worked on this for a little while...didn't finish it.

if anyone thinks it has hope, gimme feedback!!

the middle app in the list would be at the forefront, clicking it would expand app info... i dunno, any guidence would be greatly appreciated - i've never done graphics for a program before - I'm a print major in comm/media, so this is a little out of my territory, but nothing I can't grasp with a little help.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N1c0_ds:
That's a really beautiful UI. Right now, however, many things are not set so it's not clear how the final look will be like. Nonetheless this is a nice design and idea, thanks a lot!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Existentialism:
Looks like there really hasn't been any movement on this recently. Is MS going to beat you to market?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N1c0_ds:
Oh there was! I just didn't report every small changein details.

Now gecko has preferences, basic color settings, an improved system for downloading files and many other small improvements. I also worked on and abandonned a completely differwnt core.

On another front I'm trying to get VS2008 for cheap so I can make Gecko truely open source.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Existentialism:
Cool. Good to hear. The only thing that would really be lacking then would be developer support. Since the last version had very few worthwhile apps.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N1c0_ds:
Pocket Informant and a few others remain to be added :)

There's not much I can do to gather more developers just now. Gecko is not exactly what I'd call "appealing" right now.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] norkoastal:
Has there been any donation routing features made for the program? I can see this as a big lure to gecko vs the competition.. The donation script would imbed the developers paypal link for payment. Have you worked any agreements with XDA/PPC Geeks for banner ads? How about homescreen placement for all HTC phones?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N1c0_ds:
It was one of the first thing I checked even before someone came up with a name for the application and it's not easily possible. However I might be able to work a little something out, but nothing simple, unfortunately.

Homescreen placement is possible, but I'm new to C++ so I'll have to get used to it before messing with today screen items and other neat stuff. I don't forget these ideas, but they can't be implemented right now.

This time Gecko will truely be open source, so feel free to take part in the project! I'm just the guy getting things started, my humble talents alone are not enough to challenge Microsoft, but if you keep helping with your useful advice, who knows where this project will end up ;)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] l3v5y:
A homescreen plugin can be created fairly simply once you know what to do with normal applications.

Something that may be of interest once you know more C++, is this.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] ducklord:
Appearance-Usability

I like your idea. If you'd like any help in the graphics/usability department, I'd be more than happy to assist.

Best regards

Ducklord
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N1c0_ds:
Yeah, I really like the TF3D interface idea. Maybe a bit later, since I'm just getting used to C++, but still a very interesting concept.

The interface is the main reason for switching to VS2008. Basic4PPC is easy, fast and somewhat powerful, but not as fast at runtime as other apps. Now the code produced will be understood by most developers, so I won't be alone on this project ;)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] netsurfz:
Hi N1c0_ds!

I am not a developer. I'm just ordinary user. I don't know what to say, but I want you to know that I like this project very much. So, keep up good work!

:D
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] DarkAngelFR:
Hello!

Got some news ? ;) getting impatient to look at your code ^^
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N1c0_ds:
A lot of small improvements and additions. There are tons of things but nothing huge yet.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Shoddy_me:
Another designer 4 u.

greetings. just wanted to say that if you want another graphics designer for your app interface, i'm in. :D this is something that i'd really like to do 'cause i will most likely use this app myself.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] addicus:
Not to rain on your parade, but it looks like MS is planning on doing what you have started so long ago with their Sky? programs. It is suppose to be a part of the WinMo 6.5 and 7 series.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] jim256:
I think this has already been reported a ways back.

...And I will say again what I said then...just about everything MS is crap, and their "app store" or whatever they wanna call it will very likely be no different...I'm behind ya man (as are many others)! keep it up :)

Thanks.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] jim256:
Dunno if you have seen this, but maybe you guys could join forces as it seems rather a large project?

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=471576
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N1c0_ds:
I offered him to do just that. As I said in the other thread, I created Gecko with the idea of a single, open standard in mind. There is nothing bad with many clients, but there must be one central database and submission method. This way you let the developers innovate as much as they want without splitting the user base between different solutions.

I don't want no stinkin' "HD-DVD vs. BluRay" war to start on Windows Mobile.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N1c0_ds:
Oh you're going strong. <<<EDIT: Really roughly translated from french ^_^

I believe SkyMarket will get the job done but will lack in extras and neat features. In other words, there won't be anything new or cool to it.

The only thing I can assuredly say about Skymarket is that it will feel like every other Microsoft product: It will be attached to Live, it will be simple but unoriginal and it will always feel like none of the good stuff is free.

Exactly what I wanted to avoid from the begining even before I heard about Microsoft's solution.

Gecko will be to SkyMarket what Ubuntu is to Windows: Simple, fast, customizable and open but sometimes unstable and under constant development (not a bad thing with automatic updates)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] jim256:
RIGHT on...with ya all the way :)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] DarkAngelFR:
news ?

Mobile Games Blog

IntoMobile

Microsoft Mobile Training Forum

Looks like Gecko is being monitored!!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] joel2009:
Everyone pretty much knows about this... but when was the last time we trusted microsoft to do something right on there own?

btw... it will be windows mobile 7 (which is ways off)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N1c0_ds:
Well... Windows 7 -might- be good... :p
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N1c0_ds:
Of course it is! I got a lot of clicks from many new site and it's a pleasure to read them.

The only annoying thing is the occasional misinformed articles. Gecko does not only house freeware. While there are no plans to manage transactions to buy apps, there is shareware there.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N1c0_ds:
5 new applications were added to the latest database (to be compiled soon). Skins for 3rd-party apps are now supported if anyone's wishing to submit theirs.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] dasfliege:
hey N1c0_ds

i just wrote a post at xda. with a similar idea to yours, but someone gave me the link to your post... :)

do you still need help in your project?

i own a server with much hd space and a great uplink. do you have use for that?

perhaps i can also support you with other tasks as i'm developer too, but never made something for WM....

i'm working as ETL Developer and have a big knowledge about databases and stuff, so this is perhaps something i could help you...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] hanackin:
Hi N1c0_ds :D

I would like to submit the website in my signature :cool:

thanks mate :D
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] quicksite:
Careful! He's a Microsoft Infiltrator ! ( hah ha -- just kidding )
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N1c0_ds:
Some more server space is always welcome and I'd be glad to have you take part in the project. Currently I have many small side jobs that would save me a lot of time if you're interested. Contact me and I'll leave more details. I'm currently mobile and tired of typing.

I'm working on a server distribution system right now.

For the website submission, I decided to keep the web apps section for later. Send me a mail at nicolasbouliane *hat* gmail *bot* com so I don't lose your submission.

I didn't bring my laptop so don't expect quick answers before monday.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] hanackin:
thanks mate :cool:

I will do so :D
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] jim256:
Have you also seen this one?:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=480476

Looks like there are just TONS of these apps suddenly springing up out of nowhere! Honestly if every dev working on them could just get together...we would have one HECK of an app manager application!!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N1c0_ds:
You know, it's not a ba thing to have a few alternatives and I am fine with them, but I must say it is now going out of control.

What I foresee is developers and users being split between different solutions. It is primordial that we have one central submission platform for developers. Currently Gecko is the only app with listings approved by developers and I'm strongly encouraging every other developer working on a similar solution to work with me on a common application submission page. I'm not trying to seize control of the market here, I'm trying to avoid turning a great idea into a format war.

Many clients, many databases, but just one place for all developers to list their software. You are just as independedmt, but we all benefit from a simple union.

My email address is nicolasbouliane (hat) gmail (dot) com. Contact me if you're working on a similar project.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] jim256:
I agree.

And that is a really good idea. (A suggestion just in case you already havent, perhaps you should pm the other dev's?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N1c0_ds:
Will do!

I got a few hours of Gecko-related work assoon as I cone back home and manage to boot on Vista.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] acrosser:
Assistance, AppToDate, and developer hosted CABs

I just submitted my program (Scrobble) at GetGecko.org and am looking forward to the full release as well! Keep up the good work. (I'm a C# programmer and I work in VS2008 so if you're looking for some coding help, I can lend some assistance).

YET another application that is similar to Gecko is AppToDate. It is designed for keeping applications up-to-date (as the name implies), but apparently the developer has plans to turn it into some sort of a CAB repository as well (I think we should get away from calling it an "App Store" -- as many of the applications will be freeware, and "Store" usually implies money!). So you might want to add them in the discussion about a shared application submission page.

I have one suggestion so far (as I haven't downloaded the beta yet) -- you should consider giving developers the option to host their CAB file themselves, and have Gecko download the CAB directly from the developer's link. That way the developer can update the CAB on their site and the client will always pull the latest version off.

That's the way AppToDate does it. It uses two XML files.. one installed with the application and one hosted on the developer's website. Each XML file has a "version" tag... when the version tag on the developer's website's XML file changes and is newer than the version on the XML file installed with the device, then AppToDate recognizes this and downloads the latest CAB directly from the developer's site.

That way it becomes very easy for the developer to notify "the world" that they have updated their program. Just modify the XML file and upload it to their website.

Of course, having a central CAB repository has its plus-sides as well... as you can't always depend on every developers' website being up all the time.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] l3v5y:
AppToDates update mechanism is great, but there is currently no database.

What I'm currently working on (more as an add on for a Diamond ROM than as a direct challenger to the App Store) is aiming to have a central database, but if there was one place everything was stored (as Gecko is aiming for) I think it would be the best possible solution.

As I suggested to the developer of DeviceUpdate, there should be two levels of applications - those that have been thoroughly tested and will run everywhere with no (or at least very few) issues, and those that are currently under development, maybe aren't that stable, and get updated lots. That way, we get the benefit the AppStore has of having everything checked over, combined with the ability to have apps from everywhere, submitted by everyone and available immediately.

One other thing that may be possible (may be slightly frowned on my microsoft) is a ROMToDate system - OTA ROM updates similar to what MSs Automatic Update should do, and something that AppToDate has been demod doing.

If at any point I can gain access to Geckos database, or I can find out how to retrieve data from it, I would gladly add it as a backend to my DiamondDownloadManager (I've also contacted DeviceUpdates developer as well, so it could get interesting!)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N1c0_ds:
Here's my idea of a potential common standard for application submission. I've been thinking about it for a while (even before alternatives spawned) and came up with the best possible solution. Feel free to add your thoughts and changes:

Shared hosting.

All applications get their CAB files from the same server. Instead of hosting their own CABs for their repository, they add their server to the list and all applications are free to download from it. This way everyone gets the same huge-ass hosting space

To avoid downtime with smaller servers, the addresses are stored with a set monthly bandwidth limit. The application would then select a server at random with higher odds of picking the higher bandwidth servers. This is the first thing I will implement with Gecko as soon as my laptop is back from repair.

All servers would be structured the same way so a single input would produce a valid link on all servers. For example, downloading an application with the AppID "FRWA00001" would add "/apps/FRWA00001.cab" to the specified address.

ht tp://server.com/gecko/apps/FRWA00001.cab and

ht tp://files.server2.org/external/hosting/files/repository/apps/FRWA00001.cab would return the same file because they use the same structure. This way, an unlimited number of servers could be added by adding a line to a text file.

Common submission form.

A common, neutral submission form must be available. The submissions are forwarded to the other concerned participants so they can add it to their application using whichever system they prefer.

The only common thing all applications would need is to obey to the server structure. They would also need to redirect their submission page to a single common website with a neutral domain name (not getgecko.org).

The form would be similar to the current one Gecko uses but would include a list of repository software to include and exclude and a "Category" box.

Free to use

One important thing is that adhesion to this standard remains free for everyone. No one must charge anyone for hosting, listing or anything else. Repositories may work the way developers want them to, but as soon as they use our resources, they must stay free. There should not be any restrictions concerning shareware listings, however. They also must be able to list their software, free of charge.

So, what do you think? Would it be worth working on this together or risk a fight for dominance?