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[Touch Pro, Fuze General] slyng1:
The torture continues. So as i wait for election day & the Fuze to be released I've been scouring the internet for leaks/reviews/etc. I stumbled on this one on the sprint version: http://www.mobiletechreview.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Number=31757 It ain't the fuze, but whatever...

Any guesses on whether Best Buy will have it earlier than AT&T stores? I too checked w/ an AT&T store 2 days ago and the lady who helped me did NOT look at me like i was crazy. She definitely knew about the Fuze and had a weird smirk on her face as if she knew something she wasn't telling me. My guess is that is a good thing, but who the hell knows at this point.

Anyway, that's all I got (which I know, isn't a lot) - Enjoy the weekend.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] renegadebmw:
Included are:

- phone

- charger (Diamond style, same volts, amps and connector as other recent HTC phones)

- USB cable

- splitter to simultaneously charge the phone while using headphones. The adapater has headphone jacks for the included HTC ExtUSB connector stereo earbud headset as well as 2.5mm and 3.5mm jacks

- 2 styli

- suede and fabric horizontal case with belt clip and noisy velcro closure

- 1 gig microSD card

- stereo earbud headset

- manual and software CD

Well isn't that nice of Sprint they throw in a 1gb microSD!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] g2tl:
Only if you don't plan to buy extra

That 1GB would be a waste for people who need more than 1GB (which I suspect would be quite a few)

But I guess for people who don't need music and/or video wouldn't need much more
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] slyng1:
here's a video that shows the slingplayer (for slingbox) on the Sprint Touch Pro: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OluYokPMcCc&feature=related skip ahead to about 4:45 in the video (although the whole thing is a pretty decent video - no cheesy voice-over, just a guy playing w/ the various features on the phone)

That slingplayer looks pretty damn good...I would have expected a more jumpy experience, but that was pretty smooth.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] renegadebmw:
Oh yes I totally agree, I have two 4gb cards that I use regularly. I should have included sarcasm tags with my comment above. :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] y2whisper:
yeah slingbox normally works good, except when ur using edge (as per my previous post) I hope the $550 price point for the fuze is true then getting one won't be a problem, just having it shipped up here.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] renegadebmw:
You know its a shame that the Sprint's back wouldn't fit on the Fuze, I really like it. I guess I'll just have to wait for somebody to produce one that is not all faceted and glossy... Or how bout the fricking phone at least!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] renegadebmw:
Did you happen to notice that he was connected using wifi, that might be why the video looked good.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] naveen:
i want a slingplayer so bad.:(
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] slyng1:
It's amazing how cheap this stuff has become - just went over to newegg and an 8gb microSD costs $21! I'm pretty sure when I bought my tilt my 4gb card cost like $50. Has anyone on here bought a 16gb card? I haven't seen too many available.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] hondaguyjoe:
speaking of slingbox is there a free version of the player for our phone out there anywhere? Im kinda ticked after buying a slingbox I have to pay another 20 bucks for the software for my phone to use the box.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
i saw a 16 on ebay for $72.80 shipped, which isnt bad, but i'm still going to wait for it to come down. http://cgi.ebay.com/Sandisk-16GB-Mi...39:1|66:2|65:12|240:1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] rymonday:
any confirmation on these "possible" shipments coming into some stores today?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] wmm:
Is that known for sure, that the backs are not interchangeable? I was hoping to find some Sprint owner who had facet-envy and arrange a trade. ;)

It's not that I hate the Diamond-style back; I just like the plain one better.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] btprice2001:
I'm pretty sure the Sprint won't fit but what about Verizon? Does anyone know what style of battery cover it will have?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] renegadebmw:
@wmm: I am pretty sure it won't because looking at the videos and pictures the cover looks to have a arched top lip where the TP or Fuze look to be flat, among other things.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
agreed. the phones are simply a different shape.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jcotterman:
Not really that big of a deal......

Ok...I know this has been discussed before...but I still wanted to talk about it.

I went into another local AT&T store yesterday and asked about the Fuze. The lady that had walked up to me immediately went into NDA (non disclosure agreement) mode. What is the deal? Are reps NOT allowed to talk about phones that aren't out yet? Is it a violation of their policy? What gives?

She knew of the Fuze and mentioned that several people had asked about it. But it was apparent that she wasn't allowed to discuss anything about the phone. As soon as I mentioned the word our eye contact stopped and she looked around the room and floor while she said she knew nothing about it. It wasn't an attempt to cover embarrassment for lack of knowledge it was obviously to play dumb.

What is the deal? This has been talked about on numerous posts in this thread but no one has put it in focus.

Anyone?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] motionmind:
Until the phone is announced by corporate, they're supposed to pretend it doesn't exist.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] I8UB4:
Some Best Buy stores in Los Angeles got some more Sprint versions in today. They had them last week, but sold out.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] wmm:
That makes sense; I hadn't really paid attention to the difference in overall shapes or how that affected the back cover. Thanks for the info.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jtsurfs:
I think this has actually been focused on a few times in the post. A couple of theories that have been shared involve the iPhone marketing might limit AT&T from advertising other "smart"phones close to the release. Possible Sprint has an exclusivity agreement which prevents AT&T from advertising the phone within a certain amount of time and this includes reps talking about the phone. Either way, relax the phone is coming within the next couple of weeks.

I believe something which has not been mentioned, AT&T stores may receive the phone for release at different points. Perhaps some areas are marketed to receive the phone sooner than others and that could be why some AT&T reps are still clueless while others are more knowledgeable.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
How many phones do that?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] wolfnumba1:
from what I know only the touch pro and the Sony x1 but htc reconfigured the fuze with a different keyboard so I wanted to see if they retained that control key that the European touch pro has to perform the afformentioned functions
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
http://tiltmobility.com/2008/10/att-fuze-specs-hit-htc-wikicom/

Looking at this shot, it looks like that CTRL key has been Xed out
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] petard:
DAMN that was the biggest improvement to the keyboard!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] baboola:
the spec says 256MB RAM. I thought TP has 288 :(
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] skyfox99:
The FUZE

NO control key with the keyboard, reception is about on par with the BJII. 3G coverage seems better with the Tilt, sadly. The at&t tab in TF3D can be removed with the advance config app, and battery life was terrible at unboxing, but with full charge cycles, it appears to have gotten better, but still needs improvement and I think the poorer 3G reception has much to blame there. I would imagine future ROMs will imprive this as they did with the Tilt (remember that phone had battery life issues upon first release as well). Charge time seems to take longer than the Tilt, whether USB or wall, which I found interesting. At&t ROM is nice, not very buggy, no major freezes, except trying to play flash through Opera, browser doesn't like it very much for some reason, and runs rather fast with little sluggish-ness in most apps. The slideshow in the photo viewer could be a little more responsive, and the music app in the TF3D could be better sooted, but overall, I am happy to say I am turning in my Tilt. Wish there were more hardware buttons, but have been getting used to it, the Tilt almost seems bulky now after using the Fuze. Expect a release date sooner than later and the pricing rumors I would think are going to be accurate @ 300 after MIR.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] kdeezy:
I have this phone also flashed with the latest AT&T Rom from the Raphael Wiki.. TF3d customizer does work on it and you can disable the AT&T program section. Also Video Share is alive and well on this model (tested it out a few days ago). The back of the phone carries the diamond design over from the touch pro. IGO works just fine if you follow the Diamond IGO thread. I'm pleased with the phone overall. Push email works great.. Battery life sucked the first 2 weeks but now I'm lasting an entire work day coming home at about 40% on the battery. The Opera browser on here is sick!! I rarely use the slide out keyboard but I must say I like this layout the best.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] kdeezy:
Looks like we are both on the same page with our thoughts on the Fuze!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
I thought the same thing man. I guess its just another AT&T "adjustment"
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
it might be they put some aside for their stuff either way its better then the hack job verizon did to their version of it

and glad to know that the customizer works on att rom

and i noticed the keyboard has the windows key and the ok button thank god
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
Yeah the pluses definitely out weigh the minuses it seems with phone. I'm excited for it.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
those lucky sprint people can buy it at best buy the 26th

but unfortunately we usually get att smartphones in late for some reason

so havta get at the corporate store. yuck
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Dsbtwins:
Does anyone know how long it usually takes letstalk.com to get new phones?

I hope they eventually get the Fuze, as they offer amazing deals...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Scoop3:
sad to hear that there is no control key.... keyboard copy and paste is quite useful....

Any users know if it's possible to copy / paste by other means?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
well you can hold the stylus on screen and select or go to menu - edit

sorry not sure if your new to wm or you meant a specific to TP answer.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] glebv:
I think you can also use the on screen keyboard and use the control key on that and then combine it with the physical keyboard or on screen one. I have it on my wing with the ICP-Touch 2.0 ROM. And I believe I had it on other ROMs too. It is not the best solution, but it works.

On a side note, I might try to get the fuze and have it work on T-Mobile's network since T-Mobile doesn't really get many good Windows Mobile phones. Also fuze is cheaper than Touch Pro.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] TurboX2:
on my kaiser i have an executable (exe) that runs up on start up which replaces the windows key with the control key. It has worked great ever since. i think it only works for kaiser thou.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] asingic:
Why 30 days to black friday?

I guess that release sheet has some legitimacy as the pantech duo did come out today.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] raywright1:
the last time i purchased a phone was black friday 2 years ago, and the deals were amazing. last year i did not pay attention so i don't know what to expect this year but another poster said he missed a sale opportunity last year by purchasing his tilt too early. so if there are deals awaiting us this coming black friday, then i plan to use the 30-day return policy to just return the phone and "repurchase" it when the sale hits. that's the "plan" - however if i really like the phone and there are stocking/backorder problems, i may just pull the trigger on opening day.

my att store manager said AT&T will start charging a restocking fee on all high-end phones next month.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Scoop3:
That sir, is exactly what I was looki'n for! I wonder if it'd be possible to just remap the windows key to ctrl...?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] moopile:
I was very disappointed to learn that AT&T chose to go with the "diamond" cover. I love the matte black one on my Tilt. I too hope someone makes a replacement available. Seeing photos of the fingerprint magnet on the back of the Fuze cranked me right down to zero. I may not even get a Fuze until a new battery cover is available.

V--- Ignore my signature... Too lazy to update. ---v
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] I8UB4:
My understanding is that the Fuze back IS matte black. However, it is in the Diamond shape.

I may be in the minority, but I really like the look of the Sprint version better. It has rounded corners and curved lines that make it look thinner. The squared-off, all-black Fuze makes it look very chunky. Unfortunately, I travel internationally so I can't use the Sprint version.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
OFFICIAL RELEASE DATE, CONFIRMED BY AT&T: JULY 13TH

:o
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Scott ISH:
You're a master of comedy.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Raspster:
LOL, Right... Every time I ask someone at an AT&T store, the date keeps getting later & later until the new string of answers are... whats the fuze?? LOL
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sdlopez83:
nice, july 13th huh. Excellent!!!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] NotATreoFan:
The Fuze back is not matte. :(
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] fredinco:
More on Release

Please before you jump on me, I know that sales people know little but still some things are at least interesting.

I have called several ATT owned stores in the area over the last few weeks. Until last week few knew anything other than what they get from the web like we do and many knew nothing. This week almost all knew of it an two said that they were scheduled for training on the Fuze 11/5 or 11/6.

The one main store I like to deal with was the only one that still knew nothing. I emailed the sales guy I have talked to a lot. I told him that it was suprising that the best store I know is the only one that knows nothing, unless he is just being a good corp. person and keeping quiet. He wrote back later that day and said that it seems his mgmt. had not communicated well and that it appeared that they could be receiving the phone on 11/6. It only matters that he did find some info. that caused him to believe this and I doubt it was out there where we see it. I am also in the belief that it might not hit everywhere at the same time and that (as well as the difference between corp. and authorized stores) that is causing a lot of the date differences.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] KD8DNS:
Here is a pic of the most important section off the new AT&T rebate form
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] y2whisper:
U can use the software for free for 30 days, anything beyond that is warez.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] konon:
Infro from manager of major NYC store

I'm pretty friendly with a manager of a major NYC AT&T location. Walked in today and asked about the Fuze. After a slight hesitation - "oh yeah, it's coming out Nov 13".

There you have it... Was so hoping for Nov 4....

-Alex
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] xboxhaxorz:
MAKE SURE you are getting class 6. That may be why they are so cheap.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] KD8DNS:
Another update to the rebates I posted. Here is the price card!!!!!

Straight from AT&T BOO-YAA!!!

Dont pay attention to the price and accessories, the stores usually edit this before they post them.

This is a good thing for everyone here waiting. AT&T only issues price cards and updated rebate forms only day's before release
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
very nice

im gonna print that and go to stores so when they tell me it doesnt exist il make them look stupider than usual

if only that had a date though
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] wmm:
Perfect! That's my wedding anniversary! Now all I have to do is figure a way to convince my wife that buying myself a phone is really an anniversary present for her... :confused: Yeah, right! :p
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] KD8DNS:
Yea, good luck with that!!!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Ayle:
Does anybody have the price for an upgrade with a corporate discount?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] intothevoid:
hmn. I am still hoping for Nov 4th. This getting very hard. I hate waiting.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] NotATreoFan:
Thanks for the neck ache! Couldn't you have at least rotated it for us? :p :rolleyes:
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] zachoo:
This is the 1000th post on the Fuze release...

If ATT is reading this, at least they know there's a demand!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] renegadebmw:
That is brilliant, I was just cursing my neck for hurting.

And that is awesome, finally some real evidence
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Alucard_11:
wat i dont get...is if AT&T wants to sell this phone..or any phone on that note.

why would they keep it such a secret? Arent they sopposed to advertise, and have ppl really wanting it and everyone going crazy? Its almost like there keeping it a secret and just wanting it to be released on the DL without anyone knowing.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] KD8DNS:
Sorry, I got all excited for you guys and wanted to post it for ya.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] renegadebmw:
I'm confused, on the rebate form it shows $50 yet the price card says $369.98 after $100 MIR + BT Headset. So is it 50 for just the phone kind of deal, and 100 for the bundle?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] KD8DNS:
Believe me, THEY READ THIS....:D
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] AdmiralKird:
Thanks for those pictures, KD8DNS.

I'm guessing from the cut off photo, you need to purchase the data plan or an unlimited text message plan to get the $50 rebate. I'm curious as to how this works. I generally do not send over 200 texts a month, and I'm not willing to pay an extra $400+ a year for unlimted data when I live in an area blanketed with open wifi.

Can I get the $50MIR by getting the $20 unlimited text plan at the store, then switching back to 200permonth as soon as I return home, or do I have to commit to it for a month/year/2years?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] g2tl:
We're still a niche market

People who know/interested will get it

Others will get the iPhone

I don't see at&t getting much more in revenue (not just the number of units sold) through heavy advertising

When I went to a Sprint store to check out the Diamond, they really tried hard to convince me to get the Instinct. Of course, a simple reply of "I need a Windows Mobile device" cuts them off rather quickly.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] KD8DNS:
Like i said before, dont pay attention to the mail in rebate or the accessories. Stores recieve this in powerpoint and edit it accordingly.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] KD8DNS:
Thats a whole other topic.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] baboola:
so i'm getting really lost and disappointed reading the last...50posts or so. is it confirmed we have to wait longer now!? I think I'm almost ready for some BB Storm if AT&T keeps toying our mind like this.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] KD8DNS:
Just wait till tuesday and see.:D
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] renegadebmw:
Well thanks for sharing the pictures it will keep me drooling for another day.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] KD8DNS:
MORE INFO

If this link is dead, then go to www.att.com/wireless click buisness and search HTC FUZE.

http://www.wireless.att.com/global-search/search.jsp?q=htc+fuze&start=0&num=10&searchEngine=g

The I.T. Jackhole jumped the gun and has not completly cleared it.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] renegadebmw:
It has been doing that for a bit, it just takes you to the WinMo page with nothing on it. I guess they figure no sense in clearing their search function since it will be on the site eventually.

It is still in Google's cache of course...

http://74.125.95.104/search?q=cache:dxDBA3_VmTEJ:www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/phones-devices/pda-windows-mobile.jsp%3Bdsessionid%3DSCXQRAS4GBUDPB4R0FZCFFI%3FwtLinkName%3DWindowsMobil%26wtLinkLoc%3DLN%26WT.svl%3D5+fuze+site:www.wireless.att.com&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] wmm:
As far as I can tell, nothing is confirmed. There are some good signs that it will be soon, like the photos of the AT&T rebate sheet and price card. There are some reports from stores that it will be on Monday or Tuesday, and there are some reports from stores that it will be a couple of weeks later.

I'm certainly not going to risk any money betting on any given date. It will happen when it happens. I'm just glad to see continuing confirmation that it will happen! :D
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] bigb252:
Just in time - I was getting more and more bummed out on the phone, seeing how long it would take to be released and still actually reach down here (U.S. Virgin Islands). I guess I'll be able to get mine around Thanksgiving while you guys up there in the states get it earlier...

At least the last few posts made me feel a little better...:o
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kerensky97:
I love it, 102 pages of speculation! Talk about community building exercises, I feel like there's hundreds of us already lined up around the block to get into a store and buy the phone.

Virtual high fives all around!

Anyway while we're waiting, I'm kind of curious what data deals everybody is seeing with ATT. A few pages back somebody mentioned about $40 for unlimited data, when I went to a phone dealer they quoted me $35. But the deal I bought through the website was only $19.99 for unlimited data and 200 messages a month. I'm not sure if I unexpectedly worked the system or what. My data doesn't seem limited in anyway (I've "tethered" my 8525 to my laptop with no issue and good 3G speeds).

With the Fuze having as many data features as it does it might be worth people's while to investigate now what it costs to add unlimited data to their plan so they don't get fleeced when they go in to buy the phone.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Scoop3:
Just called my local store... and the girl told me she'll have 'em in stock on Nov. 4th...

So I'm sure as **** gonna be there lol
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] dontdo_that:
i'm in the la jolla/utc area of san diego.. went to my store and the guy said he knew nothing about the fuze. i don't know if he's hiding it, or if he really doesn't know. when I mentioned the Nov. 4th speculated release date he said that would make sense because the BB Bold would be released then

So far, that's been a common story of what people are hearing from their local stores. But this is what I'm wondering:

Why would they keep the release date of the FUZE a secret, when they are so open about the BB Bold's release date of Nov. 4th?

Scoop3, Where are you located? Can you provide a location/address of the AT&T store you called and the name of the person you spoke to on the phone? perhaps even a number that you called?

In fact, I'd like to see that kind of info from anyone who has posted that they have spoken to a sales rep who has given a Nov 4th date.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] wmm:
Because Blackberry is a celebrated international brand. Everyone knows about Blackberries (aka "Crackberries" -- they're even well-enough known to have a derogatory nickname, unlike HTC). It's big news when AT&T introduces a new model from that brand, and so AT&T milks that for free publicity.

Of a hundred random AT&T customers, I'd be surprised if more than one or two even knew what HTC was. There's no buzz to be generated by the announcement of an HTC model, so why bother? Enthusiasts like us will go and buy them without publicity, and the vast percentage of the rest of the sales will be from people who happen to notice them browsing in a store or online. There's just not much incremental value from preannouncing the introduction, so they won't do it.