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[Touch Pro, Fuze General] omaralt:
UPDATE: i called an at&t store today, (independent) and told me that he's going to be getting 3 fuze's on thursday (10/23)!! He took my name down and promised me that he'll hold one for me so i can come by and pick it up thursday!! he confirmed that the price will be 400 - $100 MIR if you get the data plan. cant wait!!

omar
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
its funny, i called a bunch of "official" at&t stores, and they gave me no information, but i called an "authorized retailer" and they read me the email they got today!

confirmed $299 after contract and rebate on Nov. 4th. Thats pretty much all they had on it. nothing new, but confirms what we thought.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
SOOOO many rumors flowing around. Someone on the AT&T forum said he was at an AT&T store in Bethesda, MD and the manager there confirmed for him that the phone is in their system as releasing November 19th, and it sounded pretty official. That date sounds the most reasonable to me, honestly, considering we still haven't heard a peep out of AT&T about the phone.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
as i was on the phone with him, his manager read out the details from the email to him. he said its being released on nov. 4th and they expect it in stock on that thursday (because of shipping delays regarding the election, or some bs like that.)

it doesnt really make a difference to me, i'm planning on ordering it online through premiere, although i'm sure those ~3 days between ordering it and having it in hand are going to kill me.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Haha, you've waited months already, when you finally get it it'll be worth it. A tip to all new Fuze owners, bust it out of the box and play Teeter right away, I think that was the most fun I had with the phone when I first got it. Completely new experience to me, as it will be for anyone coming from a phone with no accelerometer. ;-)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] utvol06:
Wow that really puts the Fuze and the Touch HD's release dates right on top of each other Nov 4th(FUZE) and Nov. 6th(Touch HD).

This is really making it hard for me to decide which device to go with. Settle for Edge speed and a large screen and better camera, or the Fuze with 3G and smaller screen?:confused:

The real feature I'm concerned about is if The Fuze or Touch HD have any GPS lag.? The only person I know with a pre-production Fuze(Black) says he has no GPS lag...I'm hoping HTC has ironed out the GPS lag problems since the Touch Pro and Diamond. Its bad when the older Tilt/TytnII's GPS outperforms a brand new flagship.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Yeah, hopefully the AT&T ROM fixed any GPS problems that were present with the unlocked version, I know mine was fine but it'd be nice to have more than one confirmation so we know what to expect.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
i dont know, the screen is larger true, but you lose some of the pixel density.

according to my photoshop calculations, the actual screen on the touch hd is 2.0254 x 3.3756 (inches) proven with pythagorean theorem to be about 3.93 ish inches (pretty close to the 3.8 advertised)

so on the hd you have 237.624 ppi (pixels per inch) horizontally, and about 236.995 px/in vertically, so you figure about 237 ppi overall

similarly, the touch pro's screen is about 1.70127 x 2.25303 inches (using photoshop measuring...) Pythagorean actually comes out to 2.82 inches as advertised.

if you divide resolution by dimensions, you get 282.142 and 284.062 ppi, respectively, averaging out to a 283 ppi overall

so the touch pro squeeses more information (density wise) into the screen, and the hd blows it up.

for reference, the iphone is at 160ppi, and a wizard-size device is at 132ppi, so you're blowing just about anything away either way :D
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Sebrina:
If your on a US ATT 3G network the choice is easy, the Fuze because the touch HD isn't coming to the US and the unlocked version from Europe won't support our 3G network.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sehgal:
Can you please advise the website address?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
actually, its different for each company, so i can't post my link. i'm on a corporate discount program.

go here to enter a work email address to see if they offer discounts through your company.

https://www.wireless.att.com/business/authenticate/
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
But if you live in an area where you don't have much 3G support, that won't matter much. I'd get the HD personally but I need a keyboard and I can't afford the $900+ price tag on an import. So Fuze it is for me.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sehgal:
OK thanks. I was hoping to see the phone out this week as I will be travelling for the next 3 weeks!!:( Oh well, the wait goes on and on and on...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] glebv:
Thank you, I was looking for that as well.

Just a tip to college students or those students who have an e-mail address from their school. Try using your school e-mail there, you might qualify for some discounts. It might not be much, but it doesn't hurt either.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
yep, i think my college gets a discount (University of Florida)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] utvol06:
Yeah, I don't live in a 3G area. I only get 3G when go out on the weekends or on business during the week.

I'm leaning more towards the Touch HD now.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
i see that you have a touch pro currently, whats the turn off from that currently? size, connectivity? just curious...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] iceman4357:
http://www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/phones-devices/pda-windows-mobile.jsp
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
god d***it! premier has the epix on there already! why can't they just have the fuze so i can order it!!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] wmm:
Woohoo! I guess that makes it official (even though the device-specific link isn't there yet).
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
yeah, this is nothing more than the old cache page gave, except for the epix being readily available on the premier

EDIT: The Epix is available on the personal site, giving more credibility to the dates listed in the latest BoyGeniusReport email leak. That same leak listed Nov. 4th for the Fuze.

For the epix curious: http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-ph...ils/?device=Samsung+Epix(TM)&q_sku=sku3030219
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Yeah I'm pissed, I was going to sell the Epix for my friend, turns out that was the "Blackjack 3" equivalent he had. Now it's no longer an awesome pre-release phone, just a phone you can buy on AT&T. :( Lame.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] petard:
The Samsung Epix is now up on the AT&T Premier site for $300 with a $100 rebate if you take a data plan.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sdlopez83:
Anybody else getting on the local att store to get the Fuze on the 23rd? I know someone mentioned it before just wondering if this was true and if anyone else will get this deal?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] omaralt:
i'm the one who mentioned it earlier, and the guy seemed sure that the offical release is 11/4, but that he was getting 3 of them on 10/23, and that he was going to hold one for me (took my name and number). I'm definately skeptical, but i'll definately post pics/review if i receive it.

omar
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mtlChris:
so is att gonna force us to buy a data plan with the fuze? like is that how we get the rebate or something....b/c i dont really want to pay over $300!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] venelar:
Corporate store In Baton Rouge said Mid November this morning. Sigh, taking it with a grain of salt considering they are generally the last ones to get the news around here.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
its $99 on the regular site!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] nektoinphx:
rules smulze!

So I just got done calling 12 ATT stores in the phoenix metro area to see if someone would slip up and tell me how many fuzes they were getting on thursday (yes, I know some people say its nov4, but a guy has to dream!), and everybody is following the darn rules!

Nobody will tell me anything. wah!

I want my fuze!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] veloaudio:
Color?

Can anyone confirm the color of the Fuze? I've heard red but I hope this isn't true.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] htcfan78:
All of the pre-release shots that I have seen have been black. Pretty much the same as the Touch Pro.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
i just called my local one he hadnt a clue what i was talking about

he was like well the next phone is the bold and i dont know when that is coming either

shouldnt their employees be as up to date as we are?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] zephxiii:
I don't think they are supposed to know anything up until the last minute.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Mine had a gray backing, looked really sharp. Never have I seen or heard of a red Fuze, I think you're thinking of Sprint's Touch Diamond.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
i think i'd be really disappointed if it was red. it would be an increase in the el-cheapo factor of "epix"/bjII proportions.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Sebrina:
It's black the dark red color some user posted on ppcgeeks was misinformation the guy didn't know what he was talking about when he said the Fuze was red. I've already seen a test model in a AT&T store I highly doubt they would make a test model black and then release it in red.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] petard:
Yeah it just dropped on Premier, too
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] asingic:
this site is so funny ...

the official color of the Fuze is green.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
how has this not been posted?

http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/fuze-turns-up-on-atandts-website-again/#comments
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] naveen:
thats how it has always been. they are just salesmen, not really techies.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Captain_Throwback:
Actually, the page that story refers to was linked here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=2804823#post2804823

EDIT: And now, I just clicked on that link, and the Fuze has once again disappeared. Go figure.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
haha ya i noticed that right after

att is becoming quite the *****
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] asingic:
yes ... that is funny ... , wtf
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
d'oh. whoever's in charge of that page is not on top of things. 2 leaks!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] intothevoid:
Its probably like a joke. Or a tease for people who are following it religiously. That person might even be reading this and getting a kick out of it.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] WhoIsClu:
hey i was wondering something else:

you know how amazon offers their $250 device discount on phones sold by att with a plan?

do you know how long it will take for them to offer this deal with the fuze?

i'm so glad i found out about the fuze.

i was literally just about to click order on a 8525
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] joshnewman:
i have a feeling it is you :D
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] intothevoid:
Thats a good question and I would say that it will be probably a month or more before they start offering some nice deals on it. I remember when the Tilt came out first it was being offered at i think $300 with a 2yr contract and gradually came down and other sites started offering some nice deals.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] intothevoid:
hahaha. I wish it was me, would be a better job then what i am doing now.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] WhoIsClu:
so its not going to be right away?

awww, i was hoping to get it the day of.

how long do u think it'll take?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] intothevoid:
That i don't know. Your guess would be as good as mine.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ndn715:
my att rep had invited me to the oct 23rd bb bold release party but then it was cancelled with no expected date... since that was the original date for the fuze i think, nov 4 sounds about right...

not to threadjack, but when the **** did this come out?

http://www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/SamsungEPIX/index.jsp?bref=EB6445j710bz7541

blackjack with a touchscreen :)

and whoever said that the fuze is on premier is just being mean :(

my main reason to upgrade from a tilt is that i just want a screen thats flush! mda, tilt, the screens suck...

another thing about att winmo phones in case anyone knows... the lg incite is listed to be released on nov 20

does this thing really run winmo6.1?

http://www.windowsmobilecool.com/2008/10/lg-incite-run-windows-mobile-61/

touchscreen with no keyboard, kinda nice... might have to change in my tilt brick :) the fuze is sick too, but while i love the hardware keyboard, there's touch versions that i can type almost as fast on and the kb makes the phone huge..
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
1) The BJ3, or Epix, came out today. 1 day after I started trying to sell someone's pre-release BJ3 to make myself some coin, dammit I got screwed.

2) The Fuze was on their premier site, just like it was before, but it was taken down, just like before.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mtlChris:
so what does that mean? release sooner rather than later? ...i hope it means that, b/c idk how much longer i can wait
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] petard:
Premier site is the site where you buy the phones through the business section. The Fuze was just on the business site, but not in the section where you can buy it.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
It was up there like a month ago, so if you want to look at "sooner or later" it's been a month since it was up... Probably means nothing.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] tarzanerc:
Hmm - My 8125 Wizard still works great!

I've had the 8125 Wizard for over two years now and still love it. Its been lost twice over drunken weekends, and dropped countless times. Ahh, memories.

Initially thought I'd hit up the I-phone 3-G, but then read up on the HTC Touch Pro and started to drool.

I'm still debating on the BB Bold or the Fuze. Would you guys/girls consider these reasonable upgrades to my current phone?:D
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] nwdrifter:
I have the Fuze 5 of them to be exact... anyone want one?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] KarmaNP:
Five minutes ago you didn't have a clue about it's specs but you got 5 of them now...

Give us a break
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] zephxiii:
The Tilt would be a huge upgrade in itself, the Fuze is a huge upgrade to the tilt itself.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] TurboX2:
wtf .
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mlinz:
That is some funny **** right there.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Haha I noticed the same thing and reported his post, can you say scam? :P
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
uh oh

http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/22/its-official-blackberry-bold-hits-atandt-on-november-4/

the bold is coming out the 4th officially

do you think both will come out the same day?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
This is bad news, the picture from BGR said the Bold would be 10/27, so if that's delayed maybe the Fuze is delayed as well.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
If they were wouldn't AT&T have said something about the Fuze at the same time? Call me a skeptic but something ain't right 'round these here parts...... :(
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
So for all we know we could be looking at a late November drop day? Just in time for Santa like we heard over the summer.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
this is just getting worse and worse

except the fact that stores do have the fuze in for demos. doesnt seem likely they would have it in that early

and they wont really hurt sales since they are both the same price. just have a choice instead of going to another carrier
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
I hope it comes out late November, as I said earlier I just sold a Fuze to a guy for $200 more than retail, I'd feel like **** if it released 2 days later. I want him to get his money's worth. :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
lets not get our panties in such a bunch just yet.

i think the whole reason at&t isnt saying anything about the fuze is the exclusivity deal.

i've talked to store reps, and a couple other people have as well, and he read me direct from the email 2 days ago that its being released on the 4th, that they're expecting the shipments (to a authorized retailer that week).

i'm not going to fret, because i still think its coming out on the 4th.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Well, I still think my next phone might not be HTC, come onnn Motorola, come out with that Android phone! :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] baboola:
i think this was brought up before but i haven't really seen an answer to this...

anyone know how likely is HTC gona offer upgrade to winmo7 on touch pro next year? what happened when winmo6 came out?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
when 6 came out they upgrade 5 devices like the 8525 for free

many other devices do the same

it is likely 7 will be released too
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
from what i gather its a whole new system, alot of things are going to be different, so i'm not sure how that factors in to things.

the fact of the matter is, i had a 3 year old wizard, and when winmo6 came out the guys at the HTC development labs were playing around with an experimental build for the wizard, which was leaked, and then the important files from that were ported to later (6.1) builds. knowing the community here, we will have winmo7 running on our TP's but the question is when.

I do believe that we can get android and winmo7 running on the TP, eventually.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] baboola:
cool..thanks for the prompt reply...android on TP would be overkill! which I wouldn't mind playing with at all! now dual boot android/winmo would be interesting too...yes yes i got to stop daydreaming :D
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
at this point il simply settle for the fuze actually coming out
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] gatordent:
Just purchased a FUZE on ebay, AT&T branded production version, there is another one listed for $650, seller had a high rating... I should get it by Friday or Monday.

NEW UNLOCKED Touch Pro 3G USA only on eBay AT&T FUZE

Free shipping -ground	Item number: 260304356673
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] derylmccarty:
Fuze

Checked in with my local corporate store (Puyallup, WA) yesterday. They confirmed Nov 4 availability and were knowledgable about size and some features (as if some of the reps had done the training already). They let me put one on informal layaway (they will call me on arrival and hold a phone for 24hr.) I told them 24hr was too long, but keep it for at least the 27-32 nano-seconds it will take me to get there - assuming no speed traps.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
lol to the nanoseconds.

Just curious, was this an AT&T Authorized Retailer, or an official AT&T Store?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Scoop3:
hot damn :D

I'm in seattle, and quite glad to hear that SOMEONE in washington knows about this bad-boy... everyone i talk to is apparently stupid....

Happy to hear the news !
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] fredinco:
Stores in Co.

I called a number of auth. retailers and official stores. Only a third of them acknowledged that they have heard of the Fuze. A couple said their managers told them that it would be in the store by end of Oct. General opinion is. Available Nov. 3 but should ship to them before the end of Oct. When they get it they will sell it and not have to wait for an official release day. Two stores have my name and num. and will call when they are in. They still think that will be before Nov 3 but not a lot. Maybe end of next week. I realize this is all guess work and ATT will do as they wish. However, with the amount of talk in stores I would hope it is not far off. Regadless it is to close imo to give the guy on ebay $650
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] cparkhorn:
Nothing New, just Austin Texas Info

I went into the AT&T Store in Cedar Park, TX (suburb of Austin) and the guy laughed, said they had a 7:30am meeting earlier this week for Austin stores and he overslept, and the 4 guys that went all received the Fuze, for free. Guy was pissed, said he could have gotten a free $500 phone. Brought the guy over and showed it to me. All that, and they still couldn't tell me a date. Generically any day since they had what he called the launch meeting to educate personnel, but what day they didn't know.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ITNV:
If you're not eligible for the 2-year renewal pricing, won't the full retail be about $599 anyway? $50 to have it now might be worth it so some.

I'd be a little cautious with the ebay ad listed, though. He has 4 ads for Fuzes, none of them have actual pictures and he says he can't ship until Monday (10/27) because of his location. But he doesn't anything about not being able to ship until Monday on any of his other ads. (Including 3 G1s with actual pictures.) Sounds a little fishy...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] bpm2000:
'nother in Seattle waiting for this one... although I think I might wait until black friday just in case there is a deal.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] clitcommander:
Think I am going to pay my local stores a visit tonight and rattle some cages. :D
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] akitasx2:
I just spoke with an AT&T rep about possibly upgrading my phone with the new phone discount and the 2 year plan. No dice until April. I can upgrade if I add another line (I can convince my wife to join my plan no problem!).

She knew about the Fuze coming out and I asked if she could confirm the announcement date of 10-23-2008 and November 4th release date.... she just laughed! Wouldn't answer!

I thought I, as an anonymous caller, had a great rapport with some woman on the other line thousands of miles away, who is anonymous to me. Some friend she was!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
retail will be 549.99
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Phantisy:
Call AT&T and do what I did. I told them the phone I had was broke (8525 and it really has problems) and I didn't have the money to buy a new one out of contract. I told them I was not eligible for a new phone until Jan 09. He worked with me and let me renew my contract without paying the termination fee and gave me $50 off my next bill, free shipping, and no activation fee. I got the Tilt and now I am going to exchange it for the FUZE when it comes out as long as its before Nov 10th then my 30 days will be up. If its not out by then ill cancel my new contract and go back to my old 1/2 broke phone.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] fredinco:
I'm hoping for a purchase end of next week

So if they will be in stores on 11/4 (I know it's a big if) then I would assume the shipping will happen maybe the 24th or at least by the 29th? Whenever it occurs, I would think there will be stores that have them on the 30th or 31st. Since stores tell me that they are for sale as soon as they get them (maybe a lie) then I would think that there will be a fair amount of them sold late next week. (I'm not stupid just hopefull)

I will be a new ATT customer (actually porting my num. from VZW) so I will get the discounts not full retail. Regardless I will be in stores every day starting next Wed. unless, miracle of miracles, the death star people make a big suprise.

QUESTION: I'm new to xda and get a bit overwelmed by all the info. It seems I need some overview of some of this stuff. Is there a place where I can get the intro / overview of what kinds of things can be done. Something like - the purpose of a cab and a xxx and a yyy is whatever with what you can do with them. I am stupid here but I don't know what things can be tampered with, for what reasons or how you would do it. Can you point me to an overview??
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Fruzion:
Sprint just pushed back the release date for their Touch Pro until Nov. 2nd, and they have an exclusivity agreement with HTC for 31 days. According to my Business Law professor AT&T has to wait the 31 days once sprint releases the phone to the general public. The only way they could release it on the pre-determined date is if they proved that sprint was purposely trying to hurt sales by delaying the phone, and on top of that that sprint had no good reason to delay the phone, both criteria fail in this case, so looks like AT&T peeps will have to wait until around Dec. 2 & 3