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[Touch Pro, Fuze General] merkman:
Wow. Great thread!

I'm a big XDA guy, but came over here from a post on Engadget this time. Looks like you guys are all over the Touch Pro, so maybe this is the group to ask.

I had a Cingular 8525 for about a year. LOVED the device. Seemed solid, could do web, e-mail, weather... I was really happy with it. And whenever HTC did a new software update, folks here helped me flash my phone and add the new features. GREAT times, UNTIL...

I got the white screen of death while at my cousin's place on Christmas day. Came here, read the forums, and found it was supposed to be a connection thing. As a computer guy, I wasn't totally afraid to open a cell phone, but I hate laptops for their small parts... and the cell is worse. That said, I opened it up, checked all the connectors, lost a screw, and closed it back up. Device still had the issue after surgury, so I sold it on Ebay for $100 as a "broken device with a good screen", and that was that.

Tried a BJ II, which AT&T let me get with a 2 year agreement, even though I had about a year left on my existing one. HATED not having a touch screen, so I waited for J&R to get the Touch Cruise in, bought the imported phone, and despite many complaining about the lack of a 3D driver, etc... it's been wonderful. I'm running UDK's Syrius R0 software atm, and nearly EVERYTHING is perfect except the internal GPS functionality. Need to see if anyone has replied to my thread about that.

ANYWAY, LONG STORY LONG... I'm concerned about the two-piece nature of this phone. The reason I went with a Touch Cruise was no slider, so hopefully the phone would have less parts to "wear" over time, and hopefully no WHITE SCREEN issue like my 8525. Am I the only person concerned abou this?

In theory, the white screen is caused by pressure on the edges of the phone, causing the whole phone to "bend". I would have said my 8525 never had such pressure placed on it, since it was carried around in a vertical belt holster constantly. But maybe everyday use had something to do with it. Or maybe I'm overanalyzing a one time problem.

I'd love to upgrade my phone, but I'm just a little nervous about the sliders. And then I look at the Touch HD and I start to drool, but the word of no US 3G functionality has blown my sails flat. Maybe the Touch Pro is the best we can hope for, for some time?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] volcomnator999:
i had the same prob. with my 8525..tried to fix it and no luck. couldnt exchange it because i got it from ebay. i got the Tilt and i got a washed out screen and i replaced it with no problems. Ill get the touch pro and if i have any sort of problems with the screen ill just exchange it for another one..no probs here
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
My Fuze's slider felt very solid, and it seems the Xperia's arc slider is even sturdier.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] intothevoid:
Nov 3rd is the big day now?. Lets see.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] renegadebmw:
So I went to my local Best Buy today to see the Diamond display model. While I was there the guy said they just got two in so he pulled one out and unboxed it for me. While we were waiting for it to boot up he mentioned that they will be getting the unlocked Touch Pro by the end of this month. I then confirmed that he was in fact talking about the unlocked one, not the Fuze. He and the other guy there said the AT&T Fuze will be out the same time.

Now I don't know what to believe.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] omaralt:
So has the fuse been confirmed to have tri band 3G?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Sebrina:
Youve gotta be kidding if the touch hd pro was available I wouldn't care if it was the size of a brick! The phone is too much of a powerhouse and frankly I don't get turned off easily just because a phone isn't "pretty".

This message was painfully typed on a tiny iPhone screen, if the Fuze doesn't come soon I fear I just might commit iPHone homocide!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
no way. a iphone with the thickness of a touch pro woudlnt fit in half of our pockets thats crazy

either you want a big screen all touch or a keyboard with a smaller screen

fuze!!!!! come out now damnnnnn
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ITNV:
The TV Out software is installed. It just won't work without the cable connected to the dongle.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] slyng1:
Find Pictures:

Is there a way to search the thread for only posts that contain either pictures & video? Wondering if anyone has posted an unboxing video of the Fuze?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] petard:
The Verizon version is on BGR right now. I don't know which style of the Raphael I like the most (Verizon or AT&T). There are 3 styles (Verizon, Sprint, AT&T). The AT&T style looks like the unbranded HTC style. The Verizon one looks more like a diamond (sharper corners). The Sprint version definitely looks the worst though.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] esquire0399:
YOU might buy a Touch HD that was as thick as the Fuze (btw, I have no problem with the thickness of the Fuze), but the majority of people would be turned off.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Get one of those very small laptops, 7" notebooks or whatever. Along with that, a Magic Jack and an AT&T data connect card. If size is really not a problem, you shouldn't have a problem with that, plus for $80 a month you'd get unlimited data and phone calls anywhere in North America! :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mario23:
Man...still a week to go and no word!!!

I hope that date is still good or I'm gonna lose it.

I was even inside a Sprint store today ;)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] garyfunk:
I don't want one bigger than the iPhone. I want an HTC AT&T the same size as the iPhone. It won't hurt iPhone sales, it will increase their sales for those of us that will never buy an iPhone.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] garyfunk:
You're just being silly. I never stated nor implied that size was not a problem. In some ways, the iPhone is smaller than the Tilt and the Fuze. If the iPhone can have have a screen that is ~ 90% of the unit, why can't the Fuze?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] wmm:
Hmm. I found another post here on xda-developers.com that sheds some light on the cable situation. If I read that right, the 3.5mm jack is a combined audio/video output; a regular 4-connection plug will still register as an audio plug, so you need a slightly different plug for the video cable. (I'm guessing that the 2.5mm connection is for a regular telephone headset.)

Bottom line is that you should probably save your money unless you're handy with a Dremel tool and soldering iron and just get the official cable. :(
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
You're being silly =/ First of all did you EVER read anything that people here post?

AT&T WILL NOT HAVE ANY PHONES THAT ARE ONLY TOUCHSCREEN UNLESS IT'S FROM APPLE

Was that good enough? The fuze can't have a screen that's 90% of the unit, the iphone's screen is about ~40-60% of the unit. It's just slim. But it's parts are slim also. So get over it? AT&T won't have a just touchscreen phone unless it has some type of keyboard.

I prefer the USB RCA cable. It has a extra miniUSB on the side of it too. It would go well with the cradle I would get. For me it would be a hassle to have a cradle with a dongle connected and connected to the dongle would be the rca cable and also the charger.

If I have a miniusb cable, it deprives my use of the dongle. I don't need a dongle, the cradle has a line out if needed, and I already have a miniUSB to 3.5mm. I mean I'd much rather have a small JAVOedge 3.5mm to miniUSB in my pocket connected to my headphones, rather than a big dongle with a cable. I've considered getting bt stereo headphones, but when my phone is in my pocket most of the time and I have kickass headphones, there is no need. Any recommendations for my condition? lol

That's a good guess. I think it would've been better if they have a cradle with those capabilities >.> Stupid at&t. But hey, at least they're starting to listen to their customers
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] garyfunk:
Nope. Not good enough by any measure. And someone has some serious anger issues.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
What do you mean not good enough? Go complain to att if you don't like it...I mean I'm not the one that's gonna get affected in the iPhoney sales if att starts to release a full touchscreen phone. And seriously? You think that's anger issues? LOL. You haven't seen anger issues buddy. :rolleyes: I just hate people that can't read...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
(Bah, double post >.>)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Sebrina:
Isn't the BB Bold suppose to be released Nov. 4th? Theres a new article on BGR that states that Best Buy Mobile has Bolds in stock!

Source:

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008...ock-at-best-buy-go-on-sale-tomorrow/#comments

Release date announcement:

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/10/22/blackberry-bold-receives-technical-acceptance-at-att/

Since the Fuze has the same scheduled release date you think maybe theres a Fuze or two in the back?!?!?! I know where I'll be tomorrow morning lol.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
I'm sorry sir, I don't recall saying that to you.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] master athlon:
yes it true that some BestBuys will start selling tomarrow. I was at my local BestBuy today and they told me that it will release tommarrow, but they won't get any stock for about 2 weeks, which leads to the 4th of November.

You might get lucky if some store does happen to have a Fuze or 2 in stock. lol :rolleyes:
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Alucard_11:
woah woah woah guys lets calm down

all this Fuze waiting is getting everyone impatient and causing brawls to ignite...just breath...lol

BTW is the FUZE going to have HTC headphones included like the touch Pro did?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
Awe come on man. You're kidding right lol? I mean did you seriously just ask that? did you not read the 20+ pages of this thread? :rolleyes: haha. I'm calm. It's not getting me impatient because I'll be one of those that will be getting fuzes and if you want a fuze for $500 (negotiable) pm me ;) (NO NOT NOW, when it's out. I'll have 5.). No it doesn't seem to come with anything besides the following:

Box

CD

Manual

TF3D navigation guide?

AT&T bloatware crap

Spare stylus

Charger

Battery

Phone

(Possibly) HTC USB Dongle (Model: YC A200)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] DaneMaximus:
at&t sells the Vue.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Haha I was going to say the same thing, he obviously doesn't have a clue what he's talking about. AT&T will most likely pick up the new LG phone that's coming out, full touchscreen, accelerometer, 3MP camera, FM radio, and under $100 with contract. OH MY GOD, an all touchscreen phone that isn't iPhone?! Quick, find something else to blame AT&T and Steve Jobs for!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
LMAO at Black

But yeah I was going to say the same myself but the thread grew four more pages while I was typing :o
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] 10332007:
x3. My wife likes her Vue, that weird full screen thing that responds to finger pressure which apparently ATT will never sell because they have the iPhone...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] xboxhaxorz:
i just renewed my contract 2 mths ago and got a tilt this sucks. now i got to pay full price.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] whatledog:
Maybe Kraize meant to say WINMO device w/o keyboard blahh, blah... The Vue's not winmo, is it? Winmo makes a device an Ithingy competitor, right? Just a suggestion...:)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] baboola:
on the bright side ur tilt is still fair new so u can prob try to cover the cost of Fuze by selling it.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] omaralt:
But sell it quick! Most people don't know the Fuze is coming out, once people know, the value of the tilt will drop quickly.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] raywright1:
fuze pdf manual

been reading through the euro TP manual so i can hit the ground running. was wondering if any of the fuze owners found a pdf manual on the cd. curious why no discussion of the dongle, tv out etc. euro version discusses it but there might be differences using the ATT dongle. would be strange indeed if a standard 3.5mm to rca cable did not work. why build a dongle for north america if it is not compatible with common cables?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] garyfunk:
What do I mean not good enough? Your yelling at me is not good enough. That's what I mean. Geez, if you're going to start a debate, than stay up with it.

And gee, anger issues and hate issues. You should not hate people. I've seen anger issues. I've seen what they turn people into. Seek help while there is still time.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] veloaudio:
Now back to the Fuze...

Anymore word from stores? I'll be stopping by our flagship AT&T store tomorrow after I early vote.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Phantisy:
The US economy is going to hell... no matter who we vote for this time around. Still waiting on the FUZE though. Will make the hard time go by smooth for me :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] RRHelly:
I vote the Fuze for Prez!!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thumbs:
I have the dongle everyone is talking about but i don't have a phone that supports it :( I also have a 3.5mm (1/8in for American's lol)... My Tilt got stolen from work (in the backroom) 3 days ago and I was the only employee there so it was a customer... damn economy people will do anything for anything. Anyway I will try and go to Best Buy and see if they have the touch pro for sprint if not I know they have the Diamond unlocked and ill see if i can hook it up to a t.v.

*off topic* A Best Buy employee told me that I can buy the Diamond unlocked (or any of our 6 unlocked phones) and have it activated on Sprint or Verizon and I have a Sprint account so I'll go in and say I want to make sure it supports T.V. out and if it does I'll buy it and "activate" it on my Sprint account lol
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] esquire0399:
An unlocked GSM phone (the Touch Diamond for example) CANNOT be activated on a CDMA network (VZW and Sprint) and there is absolutely no way around it. NONE! The technologies are incompatible. The Best Buy employee you spoke to is clearly clueless and should not, by any means, be allowed to sell people phones
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
Eh that's what I meant lol. I forgot about the WM part >.> Guess I'm kinda retarded too.

First off, I wasn't yelling. I was just saying something that you should have known if you HAD read the thread. It's not a debate. It's just to give you some info on something you don't know. Anger issues? Hate issues? You obviously don't know what you're talking about....I don't hate people...and you're totally out of line if you think this is anger issues. I'll stop now cause I know where this will end. But I'm just telling you. Don't go to things you don't know. Just because I said something doesn't mean I have anger issues or hate issues.

EDIT: (For your viewing pleasure)

I HATE PEOPLE THAT CAN'T READ. I don't hate everyone. :)

Thank you.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] MRFERRARI23:
LMAOOOO YOUR ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!!! I know more then people who work in bestbuy an att etc...im up on my shyt there just employees making a paycheck plus att wont an doesnt tell there employees much cause they dont want the customers to know to much and start coming in asking questions etc an maybe give wrong answers! oh well like i said my friend works for att hes a data tech guy an he has the att fuze. i seen it i played with it for a few minutes an its hella nice cant wait to get it my self though id really like the unlocked better so well see. but i like how att stayed with the look of the original touch pro with the diamond shaped back...very finger print prone fyi VERY!!! hate the att ui but ill be changing that with some tweaks/hacks if i get it!!:D
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
I kinda like the UI. I think it goes very nice. Although I'll be searching for the matte back. I don't like the fingerprints >.>
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] guy2545:
Our pricing sheets just got updated. It now lists the "fuse" with a no contract price of $519.99. There is a $100 mail in rebate and a $20 media promo instant rebate. The sheet does not have release dates or anything. I will scan it and post it after I get off work tonight.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] wmm:
What does that mean for the price with a contract? $520 - $100 MIR - $20 instant rebate - $X contract discount = ??? And what's a "media promo" rebate?

Thanks for the info!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] bigb252:
Are you with an AT&T corporate store?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] guy2545:
I'm At&t.

The contract price is $300, that is after your mail in rebate (which is only $50, read the wrong line.) The media promo is the instant $20 off when you get the data plan with the phone.

So,

520

-150 new contract discount

- 50 mail in rebate

- 20 media promo

=300 new contract price.

Typing this on my phone, so sorry for the delay.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] guy2545:
Yes, corporate store.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
call higher up and demand a date
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
lolololol demanding much? But I would suspect it in mid-November. Won't release on Nov 4 for sure. Because that is the Bold's release date, and both of these phones are huge for AT&T, they won't release it on the same day.

Kraize
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Sebrina:
An employee demanding a date from a higher up, not the best idea but if you come across a date let us know and thanks for the heads up. :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] wmm:
Thanks for the clarification. Nice to know what to expect when it does appear, presumably RSN.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
yeah im starting to worry because of the bold rease date but it could still come this week
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
Yeah. But doubt it. Don't get your hopes up =/ I thought it would be a month ago T.T AT&T takes forever to release devices, unless it's a new iPhone T.T
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
but usually its cause there is problems. like the bold had issues but the fuze people have been testing and stores have the test ones and so far no sign of delay so hopefully it comes
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] nthdgreee:
Check this out! I stopped by my AT&T store today just to see if they had any news. There were quite a few folks there so while I waited I hopped onto their demo laptop to bring up some pictures of the AT&T branded Fuze - then I minimized it.

As luck would have it along comes the store manager and asks if I needed any help. " I really only have a question", I said. Can you tell me when the release date for the Fuze is?

"Never heard of it", he says.

"It's the HTC Touch Pro, AKA Fuze, through AT&T. It's supposed to release around November 4th."

...looks at me shaking his head no.

I slide my left hand over to their AT&T laptop and maximize the picture of the Fuze. "That's the Fuze. You can already buy it on Ebay if you wanted to." He glanced at the screen just for half a second, and I swear it looked as though was trying to hide a smile.

"Don't know anything about it", he says.

"You mean you're not privy to any upcoming device announcements, even when the device could be releasing with the next 10 days?"

"Yeah, we never get any news about what's coming up".

"You know, some AT&T stores already have demo units and are gladly showing those to customers."

"I've never heard of it."

"Hmmm, alright thanks." I start walking for the door and quickly look back over my shoulder just in time to see him closing the pictures I had open.

So what's the deal here? Is this some big 'ol secret now that nobody can talk about it? I didn't get the sense that this guy didn't know anything about it - he knew, he just couldn't say.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
Okay. Both big phones right? Both target business consumers. So this is what att decides:

Release Bold on certain date (forgot the original date)

Release Fuze on Nov 4.

Put out both phones for demoing.

Bold has issues, they push date to Nov 4.

Fuze doesn't have issues, but they need to push date anyways because they were retarded enough to make the Bold's date at Nov 4.

Just my two cents.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
i know its entirely possible it gets delayed but at the same time bringing them out together wont hurt sales for att
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
Eh it might hurt those who are in business and don't care for BB vs WinMo. It won't hurt at&t if those that want the fuze get the fuze and those that want the bold get the bold. So in a sense, it could hurt them or could not. They just don't want to take any type of risk that could potentially hurt their sales.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] gatordent:
AT&T really has no clue. Sprint anounced the Touch Pro and 2 days later they are in many of their stores and in some Best Buys. I was just in a Best Buy and the lady sold the last one while I looking at their dummy phone.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
Okay guys. Here is a assumption. Since according to a sheet that was scanned and I saw on engadget a few weeks ago? It said the Bold was ETA-November and the fuse was Oct-26. So it is VERY POSSIBLE that they could release it on the Oct 28. Why 28th? Because most at&t releases are only tuesday. So it could be the following dates:

Oct 28th

Nov 11th

Nov 18th

Nov 25th

(all 2008 of course) :rolleyes:

But all I'm trying to say here, was that since the fuse was not delayed in any way, (not according to the sheet but according to issues), it is very possible that it will release this tuesday. So just hope =/
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] princeasi:
I dont think they're keeping it a secret, I just think that some of the reps just dont care to keep up with the latest craze of phones like we do. I have a good friend that works in a corp store, and alot of his info on upcoming phones comes from other sources outside of att first!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] esquire0399:
I just don't understand why you find so difficult to believe that ATT would release two phones on the same day. Think about it, VERY few people know about the Fuze, so Bold sales would not be hurt very much at all, especially since most people getting the Bold on release day are BB faithfuls, and would never consider the Fuze.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
Okay here are my points as to why:

1) They never have released two business related phones in the same day

2) Every sales rep that I asked told me that it just wouldn't happen

3) Logic. Doesn't matter if people don't know about the fuze. Suppose: They enter the store wanting a Bold, they see the fuze and buy it. Wouldn't that hurt their sales? And IMHO now a lot of people know about the fuze. Check out the at&t forums and you'll see. I mean look at this HUGE thread. ;)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] esquire0399:
1) There have never been two big smartphones "scheduled" for release at the same time so this point is moot.

2) It is common knowledge that sales reps are clueless about release dates, period.

3) True, there are a lot of people in these threads, but the number of people in these threads don't even come remotely close to making a up any significant portion of potential buyers of these two products. There are over 300 million people in America, whereas there are only a few hundred posters between this and the ATT threads (I'm following that as well) combined. Ultimately, there really aren't very many people aware of the Fuze at all. Go outside and ask the first 100 people you see what they know about the Fuze. I guarantee it won't be many, if any at all.

In no way am I saying that you are wrong about the Fuze not being released the same day as the Bold. The fact that you absolutely refuse to believe that the Fuze could be released the same day as the Bold is what is baffling to me.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
I'll give up on that thought when AT&T actually releases two powerhouse phones on the same day. Until then, I stay on that thought.