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[Touch Pro, Fuze General] utvol06:
The exclusivity agreement may only apply to advertisement of the Fuze. They may still be able to sell it in stores at any time. I've got my eyes on the Touch HD and for sure if the Fuze is pushed back to December.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Fruzion:
Didn't think about that... and last time i checked (via engadget) the touch hd was not going to be sold state side, as it would be a European intro phone for a group of next-gen devices
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] naveen:
i went to my local store today during my lunch break and the sales girl said that they have their test units and are expecting to start selling the units in about two weeks.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
sounds about right

and as to the exclusivity. im pretty sure they cant just keep delaying theres and force att too as well. because as far as i know verizon can bring out the bold when they first planned too even though att delayed theirs

and the touch pro exclusivity may only be cdma because remember when details first came out about release it said sprints came out one day and verizons a month later but att wasnt in the article anywhere
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jkmiec3rd:
From what I've read, sprint has been pushing back the release do to a new rom update to fix many of the bugs that we've seen people talking about here... GPS Lag, Battery life issues, Speaker phone volume problems etc. I'm not sure how that impacts the exclusivity but I don't think that falls in the category of maliciously delaying att's profits. If it's true that sprit is holding HTC's feet to the fire on fixing the phone, I'm not complaining. I guess only time will tell.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Honestly I think everyone here would agree, they'd rather wait a month extra (be it for Sprint or AT&T's version) if it meant the phone itself would be of better quality.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
I'll drink to that. I'd rather have a phone that has very few bugs than a phone with many issues. If a wait means a better product, hell, take your time AT&T. I'm not that impatient. Either way I'm getting it.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
il be the one to disagree haha. im sure they could put out a firmware update or something but even a few little bugs coudlnt be worse then the **** im going through with my 8525 right now. i cant even open 2 programs at once its gotten so slow im doing hard resets weekly and the screen is white unless i slide it open
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] newsflash40:
Er, what does your business law professor know about the contracts between Sprint, AT&T and HTC? Has he seen a copy? I doubt it.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
Jebus H.... lol my 8525 is still running strong, but I may do what someone else did on here, let my 8525 have an "accident", get it replace with a Tilt then trade the Tilt in for the Fuze ;)

Genius. Period.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
I don't think he has either but contractual laws are more or less the same no matter who has to abide by the contract. I think a business law professor might know a thing or two about contractual laws. Just a thought.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] baboola:
if the europeans can get it, i don't see why we can't

if the bugs are minor and tolerable and fixable, i'd want the phone asap! :cool:
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] veloaudio:
I agree. I'm so tired of my iPhone 2G, bring on the Fuze!!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] pandaboyy:
So when is the soonest I can get this phone?

You have to tell me, so that I can prepare my airplane ticket to fly to the States and get myself this phone.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
mines welllllll past warranty and dont have insurance so thatsa no go haha
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] phospholipasea2:
Try:

http://wiki.xda-developers.com/

all basics are covered and much more.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] petard:
Well, its the 23rd and even though I doubted the FUZE would be for sale, I checked online and obviously it wasn't. The wait for Nov 4th starts!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] NighTalon:
Quai-Update

First of all, we all, including myself, are drooling over this phone way too much!

I called two local stores this morning and asked if they had gotten in the Fuze yet, and they just said "their shipments hadn't arrived for the day." They said they didn't know when it was actually coming in, but that's not the least positive sign in the world.

I'll call back late this afternoon and try again...if the phone isn't on the website, does that mean it's not being received by stores today?

(Can't wait to upgrade from my VZW Treo 700w with 32 MB RAM. :eek:)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
wow, and i thought that i was low with 64 MB on my wizard!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sdlopez83:
Omar Keep us updated please.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jglev:
Without seeing the contract, no one can say anything. We don't know exactly what the Sprint exclusivity is. Is it only for CDMA? Is it only for the Touch Pro? Technically, ATT isn't releasing an HTC Touch Pro. They are releasing a Fuse which can be considered a different phone. It has a different keyboard, a different Radio than the one Sprint is releasing and I think it even has a different memory configuration. I am sorry (and to be clear, I am not a lawyer), but I have been around enough lawyers and been involved with enough contracts to know that the loopholes in the contract may be huge and without reading it, no contract lawyer (or anyone else) can speculate exactly what the contract says and what the exclusivity is. Therefore, it is very possible that ATT can release the Fuse before Sprint releases the Touch Pro.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Well that all depends on the contract... If HTC and Sprint agreed that they could delay until mid-year 2010, and every carrier would have to wait, that's what would happen. Obviously that's a far-fetched example, but it goes on a case-by-case basis, whatever they agreed upon.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] htc$t@t1c:
Phone should reach final aproval at the end of this month. release early november.

I have an early release of the phone.

:)

call me john mayer

typical att app page
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] venelar:
thanks for the info!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Sebrina:
Touch Pro was never exclusive to Sprint the Diamond was as far as I am told. By the way that app page looks horrible looking forward to skinning that thing asap thank god for rom developers here heh.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
damn you are a awful person

yet a great one at the same time haha very nice

how is it running for you have you compared it to the standard touch pro?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mike19722:
My local store says....

OCT. 23rd is the release date for the FUZE......I'm in a suburb of Chicago...

Peace

Mike
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] htc$t@t1c:
The App page isnt too bad. I can say this is by far the best functioning att branded htc phone Ive ever Used . The "8525" and the "Tilt" didnt function properly until I used a cooked rom on them . The Raphael I dont even want to touch.

Its Running Great. :D I cant compare it to the touch pro but i cant imagine the touch pro being much smoother.

One thing to point out completely point out is the fact that the gsm fuze/touch pro when I compared To a CDMA Diamond. The thickness of the cdma Diamond almost matched the GSM touch PRO.

There where rumors through the Grapvine originally of a late October Release but those have almost been completely scratched.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] wmm:
The message I take from all of this is that there are a lot of people who think they are in a position to know the release date but actually aren't. My guess is that the release date has been shifting and some of these people actually did know at one point before the date migrated unbeknownst out from under them. Quite likely no few of them are repeating (possibly second- or third-hand) rumors that were actually first posted here!

If the Fuze actually is released on Oct. 23, that's going to pose a dilemma. Last year there was a Black Friday sale that gave people 50% off on all phones except the iPhone, I believe, and people within the 30-day window before that could take advantage of it. Unfortunately, this year, Black Friday is 36 days after Oct. 23. If you think that AT&T might do something like last year's Black Friday sale and the price difference matters to you, you might have to suffer through a week of waiting after the release before you can satisfy your craving!

Personally, I think the Nov. 3 date is pretty convincing at the moment, but only time will tell.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
sounds great

have you tried putting the software on for the fm radio to see if the hardware was indeed left in?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] htc$t@t1c:
hmm i have not. Let me give it a shot.

I have to say even if it is left in for my version. It might be left out of the official release. only time will tell on that
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] topspeclt:
Is it true that the Fuze costs only $300? I bought my Touch Pro for around $830 in the UK (£489).

If so, then what am I getting in my unit that's not in the Fuze?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
i dont get why they took it out in the first place

its one thng if they did it to all phones but even the SE 580i has a FM radio

strange ATT
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
300 with a contract

550 retail
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] topspeclt:
Thanks for that.

So for the extra $280 am I getting FM radio only?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
well you have the front camera

unlocked completely.

no att bloatware

radio and tv out functionality

but you can flash the att one to any rom of course and add the software for radio and tv out

but you still have the camera and you got it before us
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] baboola:
If my eyes aren't failing me, the Fuze has the stupid symbols on the top row and the numbers in a numeric pad!? So I'm guessing you get the decend keyboard for that extra money. I hope AT&T isn't serious about getting rid of that row of number :(
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
everyone who has used the att keyboard has liked it so far

symbols are used much more often then numbers and its easier to type numbers quick when they are put together like on a regular keyboard
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] PassaTed50:
How do VGA resolution movies look/feel on the Fuze? Better playback then QVGA resolution movies on a Tilt hopefully?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
I read somewhere that the RAM/ROM sizes have been slashed. What are the specs on yours?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] htc$t@t1c:
the thing about att removing the fm radio has to do with att wanting reoccuring charges. att hopes toget people to sign up for 30 dollar pda plan. a selling point that att pushes is xm radio mobile which is compatible with the fuze. fm is free like wifi so taking it out is more profitable.

im surprised that even though the tilts 6.1 update included videoshare . its absent on the fuze.

tv out works out of the box. youtube player was taken out of the application menu but not the windows folder
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] wmm:
The Sprint press release was ambiguous. It announced their release of both the Touch Diamond and the Touch Pro and said, "Sprint will be the first U.S. wireless carrier to offer both devices." If you take that literally, AT&T could bring out the Fuze (Touch Pro) first without violating it, because AT&T is not offering the Diamond -- i.e., it's not "offering both devices" and Sprint would still be the first to do that.

Of course, the press release is not contract legalese, and it all depends on the actual wording of the contract.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] newsflash40:
Exactly on point.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
Yeah you're right. Now that I'm thinking about it, there could be dozens of ways around the "exclusivity". Looking at the specs, they really aren't offering the same thing. Like you said, diff. radio, more mem., new name, etc. BUT if you take a Kit-Kat bar, remove 1 of the 4 pieces, rename it the Klit-Klat bar and try to sell it beyond the means of trademark laws that's still wrong right?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] guy2545:
I'm a rep in one of the corporate stores. They haven't told us anything about the phone. We don't have a release date or price point. The story is the same with the bold as well. Other than the story that has been posted on engadget there hasn't been a word of the release date or price point of that phone either.

We will sometimes get a heads up about a week before the phone comes out, but not always. Most of us learn about these phones by reading the forums here and else where.

I've recently burned out the usb port on my tilt and can't charge it anymore. I don't want to request another phone from at&t until the fuze comes out. So until then I am stuck with a blackjack II. The only corporate phone they had left in the store.

If we get a demo in the store or any information on it I will post it here. I'm hoping to get the data literacy device sent to the store as a replacement for my tilt.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sdlopez83:
id say buy an external desktop charger and another battery from ebay but by the time you get that the fuze will be out (fingers crossed)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] asingic:
so you get your information from engadget too? nice. . . :confused:
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] veloaudio:
+1

I'm going to call some local stores and see if anyone knows anything. I'm not too optimistic.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] omaralt:
hey guys, i called the guy who said he'd have them today, and he told me that today was the offical launch, and that he's going to have some in hand on monday or tuesday. again, he seems to know what he's talking about, but then again he said he was going to have them in hand today. so either way, i'll keep you guys updated.

omar
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] hitekdude:
not yet

i just ripped open boxes from a shipment no fuze i think that they are in transit to store locations nov.3rd sound right stores might get five or so at first before the 3rd than full shipments after that just keep calling your att stores soon very soon yall
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jtsurfs:
I stopped by a corporate store yesterday to "fish" for information. They told me the official launch was scheduled for today (10/23/08) and they were expecting to get the phones in next week.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] fredinco:
Stores in Colorado

I called 7 stores today. At least all said that they are getting it, generally based on emails for ATT but the timing ranged from "I don't could be tomorrow" to "within two weeks", to "between now and the end of Nov.". One sales guy asked someoneelse and came back with "we had it but it is discontinued". Guess I'll never go to the store that moron works at. I still believe that there is a good chance of getting one around the end of next week.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] RICExIZxGOOD:
I'm getting the same info that it should be coming any day now too. Guess we gotta keep calling to check.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] fredinco:
Working in an ATT store must be like Christmas every day. They know that they are getting packages but never know what will be in them. I would have thought that was all lies, but having heard it so many times I really believe the stores really are clueless.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] JonDeutsch:
Fuze GUI vs. Touch Pro

Why am I the only one who seems to be annoyed by the inverse color scheme of the Fuze GUI vs. Touch Pro GUI? It looks like the top and bottom bars remain black, but the main content area is inverted/white for all the applications.

To me, this looks much less slick than the all-black Touch Pro GUI. Is this a simple background color setting, or will it require a complete re-flash to the Touch Pro ROM to bring it back to all-black?

Any info appreciated. Also, if someone can absolutely confirm that the FM radio hardware is still in the FUZE, that would be helpful to know also. And if we can confirm that the hardware is there, how would we install the FM software without a full re-flash?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
you can add many themes for TF3D without a re flash including the original

and the test units of the fuze had the hardware for the FM radio and a simple CAb file will install the software
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sdlopez83:
Change the theme or try flashing a Touch Pro Rom.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] JonDeutsch:
OK, so the white background is merely a theme? Are we positive?

Does anyone else find it odd that A&T would make the default theme kinda ugly instead of going with the ultra-slick all black theme HTC launched.

Also, that's great news about the FM radio (something I miss a lot on my current HTC S710!). I hope it stayed in past the test unit hardware!! Can anyone confirm this on production FUZE's?

Also, I hope/expect that the rubberish/matt back cover can be ordered from HTC to replace the Diamond-esque/fingerprint magnet glossy back...

I cannot wait to get my hands on this thing! I am dying for 3G, FM radio, speed, and memory! My S710 has been great (I'll miss the front keypad), but I want more smart in my phone these days.

Jon
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sdlopez83:
I agree Jon

IMHO the rubbery mat is a plus not just for aesthetic reasons but for its practicality. It helps absorb shock when dropped or thrown and it adds a better grip which may help fumbling the phone at times.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] gatordent:
I hope the TV Out functionality/hardware made it as well. Hoping I can just install the CAB file and plug in the cable from expansys.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jtsurfs:
That's funny right there. I think some stores are dumber than others.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] newsflash40:
I'll add one more data point.

Just talked to a phone CSR on another matter. She says they just received an e-mail today that the estimated launch date for the Fuze is November 6, and said they've had a lot of inquiries about it.

FWIW, but we must be getting close.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] wmm:
More of the same from the corporate stores in MetroWest Massachusetts; the Framingham store said, "It's in our price list, so we should have it within a couple of weeks," and the Natick store said, "There's nothing definite other than sometime in November, so check back during the first week of November and we might know more then."
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
I hate when they tell us stuff we already know. That's AT&T for you folks :rolleyes:
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] fredinco:
Are there ATT people out there?

If this thing is going to ship soon and there are as many people looking at this as you would think, then I have to assume that there has to be somebody that knows or knows someone who knows, that there is activity aroung these things getting ready to be shipped. It is hard to believe that someone does not now about a lot of phones being shipped to a lot of stores in the very near future. Can ATT really ship all these things and no one know it? I never knew of a company that could keep this good a secret if it was really happpening.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] nektoinphx:
Spiking the vein

Another worthless post:

I can't WAIT to get my fuze! My contract came up for renewal today, and I just found out that my company has a premier account.

So I've checked the premier site about 15 times today, in the slim hope that I can snag one before they take the page offline (no luck). I've also called a few stores in the Phoenix metro area... They seem to be getting miffed that everybody is clamoring for this phone!

Although, I've been running for about 9 months on JasJamming's last winmo6 ROM, and I flashed to CRC's v13 rom last night, which is badass, so I have a few new things to play with until the Fuze gets into my grubby little hands. :cool:
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] asingic:
wtf, one dealer here said they had one, unfortunately I'm out about 30 miles till I get home.

And another one said they were sold out ...

I guess I'lll see if they still have it tomorrow morning when I get there.

ahh well, no biggie.

rE
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] baboola:
WHAT!? they have it already? what's going on!?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] raywright1:
got to handle the fuze today

as was previously predicted, this humble poster got to experience the fuze right on schedule (today) at the local att store because the head PDA guy went for training and was given a device. although the trainee was somewhat protective of his new sidekick, i got to see/feel enough to be sold on it. coming from a BJ1 and having been turned off by the tilt, the fuze is a really nice device IMO.

- keyboard felt nice and looked nice, nice slider

- mp3/speaker quality was good

- video capture/play was good

- screen looked crisp

- black back, original countouring

- UI responsive

- not that bulky at all

could not sample GPS,wifi,tethering,FM,opera.

there was a lot of play in the joints of the slider and even between the bottom panel and the screen, hinting of poor quality. don't know what's up with that.

i did verify and witness that it has enhanced TF3D, so you can clock-wise circle an image on the touch screen to zoom, double tap to unzoom etc.

it comes with an adapter that he said it was the video out but i didn't recognize it as such (certainly not the expansys one).

to keep the rumor mill going, he said stores do not have it for sale yet. his best guess is within two weeks. he was unsure of price, and advised me to not relate the announce date with the stock/delivery date - the gap could be one day to many days between.

tomorrow i get a second look and a better test drive with our corporate manager, who, as this trainee put it, went crazy for the device and now knows what all the excitement is about.

if i remember any more or have anything new to report, i will do so.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Alucard_11:
omg i really want this phone god dammit! lol

i just finished calling about 10 stores in the Miami, Fl area...and...

7/10 ppl i talked to had NO idea wat i was talking about. Didnt know wat phone that was, and had never heard it in their lifes "an HT Sefuse? wat are u talking about? ive never heard of that phone sry"....WTF

2/10 ppl i talked to knew about the phone but told me the same thing i already knew. that they will get them by the end of oct. or beginning of nov.

and

1/10 ppl i talked to...knew exactly what i was talking about, the guy also wanted one for himself and said that official release date was Oct 23, but they should be getting a couple next week. so by the beginning of Nov, u can walk and get one. He knew the specs, and was very knowledgable on the Fuze.

ugh....At&T is really pissing me off..how could they hide such a great phone from there instore representatives?!?! jeesuzz!1
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
@raywright11

Awesome. I'll be getting a fuze as soon as I can. Is it possible for you to take a picture of the back when it's slid open? I want to see the back mechanism. For personal reasons. But if possible, take some pictures and maybe of that cable that came with it so someone could see and verify it as the video out cable.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
It's not that they're keeping the info from them, the representatives are just not that interested. Have you ever gone into the store and noticed how dumb the AT&T reps are? Each store only has about 1 rep for specializing. Like at the store in my city, they have 1 different rep for the iPhone, Blackberries, and WinMo. The rest of them are just like regular CS. Only a select few are really interested and ask their managers about it. Now im sure if a new iPhone was coming out, EVERY rep would know about it >.> stupid iphoney advertisement. Why can't AT&T advertise the fuze. I mean come on. No one even knows about it except the tech savvy people. I mean everyone, and I mean EVERYONE knew about the iPhone before it was out. I mean seriously. Advertise phail much?