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[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Zenoran:
lol what?

I thought sprint was known for the worst service.. I guess maybe that's just in my area but I only know what I'm gold from other people.. and as for CDMA isn't their data network superior to ATT? CDMA EVDO was the best of the best verizon/sprint I thought.

I guess service coverage is my only uncertaintly atm. It kinda sucks cuz Verizon has good service but REALLY REALLY REALLY crappy pda selection... and it's all obsolete by the time they release it... Sprint seems to be the leader in pda releases as far as always having top-notch technology available in their device selection... I think it's there service that kills them.. lots of dropped calls and no coverage.

I'm half-way tempted to buy a sprint phone and try it out for 30 days to take advantage of the 30-day guarantee and see how good/bad it is while I figure out this mid-carrier crisis I'm goin through.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
I lol'd.

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[Touch Pro, Fuze General] fuybjeans:
don't know how valid this is, but I just came back from ATT, and they told me the Fuze was pushed back 3 weeks..."till end of November". So I called another Chicago area authorized dealer, and he said Mid-December. I don't know where these guys are getting their info, but if you plan on banking on that 30 day return policy, be aware.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
Again. People. Please stop asking reps. I'm not bashing you for stating your knowledge and wanting to share, but it doesn't really matter. We've heard too much crap from each of em. They're retarded. That's established (except a select few ;))
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] alexmullins:
Yea I went up to AT&T store and they said it would be around mid-December till its released. Dont know how reliable this is though b/c she got an email, but deleted it. So she wasn't positive about the release date.

I hope she is wrong though b/c I dont know if I can wait till mid-December.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] esquire0399:
Actually, the info from the authorized retailer might be correct, but only for that store. I say so because authorized retailers tend to get phones a few weeks after ATT corporate stores.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sdlopez83:
cut me some slack I was on my phone.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Msingh999:
I went to a store in northern NJ and the rep there said early november and had one himself :D I messed around with it for a little bit and he said his didn't come with tv-out cable D:
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
None of them come with a cable. They only come with a dongle.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
Just talked to a friend. Here's the pricing:

Retail:

$499.99

Contract:

$349.99 /w $50 MIR

Bold's Info (In case anyone wanted to compare lawl)

Retail:

$549.99

Contract:

$399.99 /w $100 MIR
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] g8m3rtag:
So $400 out of pocket the day of, $50 in the mail couple of months later. Might as well just spend the extra $150 to not be in a contract.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] esquire0399:
No, $350 out of pocket the day of. Reread Kraize's post.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] g8m3rtag:
To me $350 with MIR means after you get the money back from the MIR. Maybe Kraize needs to elaborate or I just have a weird way of understanding things??
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] clitcommander:
that's how I understand it as well
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] wmm:
Curious. I wonder how they set these things -- both end up at $300 after the rebate, but the Bold starts out $50 higher and has a $50 larger rebate. Is there any sense to be found in that?

At least the $300 after rebate seems to be consistent among all these various leaks. And that's good news about the $350 out-of-pocket initial expense; I was expecting $400.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] gnafin:
i went and switch to sprint for the Diamond...not the best phone... but the service is very bad...lot of dead spots, so i came back to att and my tilt.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jbreese00:
Using rebates is a tactic in marketing because not everybody actually completes their rebate and redeems it. So starting out higher will yield more money not needed to give out for AT&T.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] NotATreoFan:
The pricing is meant to indicate $349.99 - $50 MIR = $299.99.

And don't worry... I'm not gonna shut the thread down because it will just lead to 1,000 new threads asking why it was closed. :rolleyes:
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] wmm:
Yes, I suppose that's true, especially with the lame cash cards AT&T uses for rebate disbursements these days -- I'm sure most of them expire with at least some residual value, just because it's hard to charge exactly $50 worth of merchandise, not to mention people who misplace or forget to use them within the time limit. I've never managed to spend mine down completely to $0.00, although I always only have a dollar or so left on them at the end.

It was just the disparity between the Fuze and Bold rebates that caught my attention. I wonder what the incremental difference is between the expected residuals for $50 vs $100 rebates.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
The residuals are due to the name brand. Since it is to attract different types of people. And sorry if I confused anyone. I really did mean $349.99 - $50 = $299.99 after rebates. I actually forgot to spend like $30 on my orange card and it expired >.< I was soo mad. $30. gone :( So in the end, it does benefit them.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] gondalguru:
I am sending my Treo Pro back and have to wait for this phone to be released by ATT. Treo pro is nice but I can't live with the small screen size.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] CalifornIyay:
Well another HTC Fuze just popped up for sale on Craigslist but I am not sure about this one, seems fake. I didnt email this person who claims to have photos and want $700 OBO.

If anyone is interested here you go...

Link: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/ele/898932007.html

If he / she is legit I would bring up warranty issues and offer $400. If you know someone from the Bay Area have them check it out.

I rather wait for the store to carry it for the warranty.

Let me know how it goes............
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] indymcse:
Well, I went into the AT&T store by my house yesterday in Indianapolis, IN to pick up an EPIX to use at least until the FUZE comes out. The store was sold out of the EPIX, said they sold out the first day and hadn't gotten any more in yet. I asked about the FUZE and was told they would be in on the 4th after he checked the computer for a stock date. The sales guy said they get the FUZE in before restock of the EPIX so he took my name and number and said he'd call and hold one for me. I guess we'll just have to see.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Crotalus:
It appears the person selling it posted on the AT&T forums.

Look for the reply from "fokized"

http://forums.wireless.att.com/cng/...read.id=101022&view=by_date_ascending&page=69
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] clitcommander:
'grats on that trophy, mang!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] robotanalysis:
The couple times I've gotten one of these cards, I just put it towards my AT&T wireless bill :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] wmm:
Brilliant! :) I'll do that, too, with my Fuze rebate. Thanks!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] indymcse:
ITNV: question about your AT&T branded FUZE.

Does it come stock with the silence on face-down that the TP has?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ghost13:
this may sound stupid but does that mean that it auto switches profiles to silent when faced down???
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
i think he means the "turn ringer off when receiving a phonecall (if flipped over while ringing)" feature. i'm not sure but i dont think it switches profiles, and even at that i think it only silences the ringer temporarily.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] indymcse:
That is what I'm talking about m.carroll. Thanks for clarifying that for me. I guess I was a little too vague. :D
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
i dont know how much clarifying i did...i went back to read it and it only made sense after the 2nd or 3rd read :D, but i guess it gets the idea across.:cool:
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] raywright1:
face-down silence

my corporate account manager who was at the training said this feature was demonstrated during the training, so i can answer "yes" but it's a second-hand answer.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ghost13:
so i was just reading and i saw that sony is announcing the x1 date this monday coming up. do you think att will release the fuze the next day? i have a feeling its gonna get delayed. i hope not but just a gut feeling.i hope im wrong bc i really need a new phone my 8525 is constantly loosing signal and getting the white screen. INTV-have u tried surfing the web with 3G service? is it fast???
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] clitcommander:
ah, the plot thickens... source?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ghost13:
few diff websites not sure if im allowed to state the websites on this forumn or not. it is also on wikipedia's x1 page
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
oh wow the 8525 losing service is a problem for others? i was starting to think it was the area i moved to. thank god. il have to go outside my apartment and stand on the balcony constantly and turn off the radio and back on to catch a signal and yes the white screen at this point it works usually only if the keyboard is out.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Sebrina:
Reps at ATT stores around NYC for some reason all seem to know what a Fuze is all of a sudden and most say the same story, should be around in the next couple of dats, I'm still confident cross fingers. Also BBYM rep said they should be in any day now.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ghost13:
good to hear since im about 4 miles from Manhattan!!!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] clitcommander:
kewl. I'll find it. X1 is on my short list as well, so depending on the info they release, I may hold off on Fuze. Thx d00d.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ghost13:
yeah the 8525 really started crapping out after a year of owning it.i got it the 1st day it was available
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ghost13:
same here brah same here. x1 or fuze i dont want to start thinking about this again:eek:
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] wmm:
Yeah, me too. I'd really love to have the 800-pixel display, but in other ways the Fuze seems to be the better device. I can't imagine with all the leaks that have been going on about the Fuze that the Nov. 3 X1 announcement will say that AT&T is releasing it subsidized in the very near-term future, though -- we would have heard something like that by now. That's really the only thing that would change me from the Fuze at this point.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ghost13:
yah that would be the only way i dont get a fuze next tues!!! but that curved keyboard looks soooo coooool hehe:D
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
even though the screen is better resolution i jus found out that its recessed liek the 8525 and tilt so thats a bummer for me. definetly gonna go with the fuze plus the tilt sensor and the keyboard is supposed to be much better
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jtoyz2:
damn that is what im talking about...that looks so sweet thanks for the upload...so im assuming the front have the att logo and everything on there right? man that is nice...thanks again
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Scott ISH:
I'm sorry to hear about the 8525 owners with problems, but I'd like to report that it's not all bad news! My launch-day 8525 is still in fantastic working condition, and I have even had it partially submerged in water at one point. The keys and buttons all still work perfectly, no screen issues, no reception issues, etc. A few Windows Mobile issues, but a periodic system restore always takes care of those.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ghost13:
im sure dropping my phone 1x a month on concrete didn't help:mad:
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Crotalus:
I gotta say my 8525 is still going strong. I got my first one in Jan 07, i had WSOD problems in November last year and did a warranty exchange for my current 8525. Since then no problems other than getting a new battery (still the original from the first phone) about 8 months ago.

I use vp3g's rom and the last time i had to do a hard reset was about 5 months ago when the IT guys upgraded our exchange server. We had to do a hard reset to wipe Pylon completely from the system so the phone would sync with the new server.

One i get my Fuze i will probably flash back to the AT&T rom and put it on ebay.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jcotterman:
W/O Trying to seeminglyhijack this thread.....

I too am a launch day 8525 owner. However, my 8525 WSOD'd about two months ago and I have been borrowing a clients 8500 ever since. Was originally holding out for the X1 but Sony is releasing even LESS info about the X1i than AT&T is about the Fuze (is that even possible?).

Unless Sony's announcement on Monday is unbelievably great then the Fuze will be in my pocket early November.

And FYI, I contacted my local AT&T store (Indianapolis, NE side) again today and they actually knew something about the phone. I have called three times in the last two weeks and they were completely oblivious. They said release date of November 4th but that they probably wouldn't receive their shipment until later in the week. Most likely Thursday or Friday.

Fingers crossed.

JC
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] MikeGL2:
Phone Hygiene is Important

Hey Scott ISH,

If only everyone had taken care of their phones like you did and given them a bath they would all be working fine. ;-)

Sorry couldn't help it. I am looking forward to the Fuze as well. Bing it on AT&T!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Sebrina:
So to try and get this back on topic :) I guess I'm not alone in the world. It does seem every ATT store now at least doesn't look at you funny when you mention the word Fuze. They all seem to tell me they will have a shipment within a week so I'm guessing they either had some sort of internal communication or they saw the phone on the shipment list.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jcotterman:
Absolutely

I feel like a kid at 3am on December 25th. I know its just a few short "hours" until I hold this baby in my hands.

And like usual, technology always has something "on the horizon" to make me salivate. And as if the X1 wasn't enough now I see on Engadget about the Aquos Fulltouch 931SH. My GOD! Just get this damn Fuze in my hands so I can be done with it!!!

But I don't have a problem. ;)

JC
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ghost13:
just spoke to my rep he said the shipment is def comign next week!!! VICTORY!!! just dont know what day yet haha
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] alexmullins:
Yea I just saw that on engadget too. I'm not sure about it though b/c I think the battery would be drained by the high pixel res on that phone.

3.8" touchscreen with 1024 x 480 pixels :eek:. It's insane but it wouldnt get through a whole day on a single charge.

Back on the topic. There seems to be more and more att employees that know about the Fuze from what I've read in the past few posts. So hopefully the launch date will be around Nov. 4th. Im gonna give a few AT&t store a call today and see if they know anything about it.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] NotATreoFan:
Let's also remember that the X1 only supports 3.6 HSPA, and the Fuze is 7.2 HSPA. And while the 800 resolution is nice, it could lead to issues with a number of apps because it's not standard VGA or QVGA.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ghost13:
aahhhhhh the wise man has spoke. im wearing my flyers jersey for ya guys today!!!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] gatordent:
Not too sure but I don't think the X1 has TV/Out like the fuze either
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
just talked to some local stores as well as a corporate rep who replied "the vu?!?"

a local store was indeed expecting a shipment today or tomorrow with the fuze in said shipment. the associate was knowledgeable about the phone, including the faceted back, so i think he's probably legit. he said that the shame shipment would be having the bold in it as well, so dont be disappointed just yet.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jcotterman:
TV Out

I have no interest in TV Out capability. Yes, its nice...but I would/will never use it. The screen was my most wanted feature for the X1. I use the Citrix client on my Hermes very regularly and the added screen resolution would be VERY beneficial.

But, 640x480 on the Fuze will work just fine.

JC
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] wmm:
I think that's less and less of a problem these days. Developers pretty much have to make their stuff resolution-independent. The X1 has been forthcoming for many months, ditto the Omnia with the same aspect ratio (although lower resolution), and there have been square displays for quite a while now. I've heard of very few problems with either the Omnia or the X1 resulting from the oddball shape.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] phead2:
Have FUZE in hands...

A friend who works for ATT just left me a fuze to check out for the day, if anyone has any questions about it let me know...

As for the release date he says any time now, it was originally supposed to be three weeks ago but they are waiting on a ROM update...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ghost13:
i wish i had a friend who just give me a fuze for a day before its released!!!:( if you have an 8525 or tilt can you take a pic side by side for thickness comparison!!! thanks
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] NotATreoFan:
I can't take a pic to compare, but I held my Tilt side-by-side with a Fuze at a store, and the Fuze is just a bit thinner and shorter/narrower... but nothing major.

The Fuze is lighter and feels like it's built a lot better.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] intothevoid:
I went to an AT&T store earlier today and the guy told me that he knows about the phone and he has heard of it but has no idea when its coming out. I hope its next week. I am trying so hard not to go on ebay and start bidding on one when its put up.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] raywright1:
fuze questions

1. what video format does the camcorder save its files?

2. is the enclosed screen protector too stiff to be user-friendly?

3. does the enclosed screen protector only cover the screen or does it also cover the button section of the device?

4. can you try each and every jack on the dongle and report back as to audio, video, jack sizes, etc?

5. how long is the enclosed usb synch cable?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ghost13:
thanks bro should be a big diff for me b/c i have an 8525 and the tilt was smaller than the 8525.at least now i wont have to carry around a brick
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] intothevoid:
here one pic http://tiltmobility.com/2008/09/htc-kaiser-compared-to-the-touch-pro/
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] phead2:
re: fiuze questions

I don't have any of those phones to compare it to, it's smaller than I imagined it would be (this is the first WM device I've used in a long time, been on blackberry but will be switching).

I only have the phone itself so I can't comment on the dongle, cable or screen protector.

I just took a video, it's MPEG-4, 320x240.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] :
Any idea how these phones compare to the new Samsung Epix?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ghost13:
thanks guys i hate this wait driving me insane!!!! funny thing is i just remembered election day is tues thats like back burner compared to fuze hehe
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
why wont the fcc allow phones to record in vga? its retarded considering the videos would look so good on taht screen
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ghost13:
i agree its crap.fuze should be able to capture 640x480:mad:
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] phead2:
video

Did a little more digging around...

You can record either H.263 or MPEG4 videos.

Size options are 128x96, 176x144, 320x240 and 352x288.

There's also a flicker adjustment (for monitors) which is kind of nice...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ghost13:
is it 30fps???
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] phead2:
Not too sure how to check this, I played it in quicktime and it says 'Movie FPS: 13.03'. I don't know if I'm looking at the right thing tough. If there is some other thing I should check specifically let me know how...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ghost13:
thats def not a good sign that its showing 13.03 that means its not 30 fps
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] wmm:
As I understand it -- someone please correct me if I'm wrong -- the reason for this was the Broadcom/Qualcomm patent-infringement dispute. Broadcom claimed that Qualcomm's chips infringed one or more of its patents, and the U.S. International Trade Commission issued a ruling that handsets containing chips based on the disputed patents could not be imported into the U.S. The result was that the U.S. versions of phones had to use less-capable chips and thus don't perform as well as their offshore counterparts.

I missed it at the time, but it appears that the embargo was overturned on appeal a couple of weeks ago -- which doesn't help for the Fuze but might, if the ruling stands up, benefit the next generation of U.S. phones.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ITNV:
Yes. Great feature! It doesn't change the profile or anything. Just mutes the ringer for the currently incomming call. Very handy for me because I leave my phone sitting on my desk a lot while I work and that way I can look at the caller id on the screen and if I don't want to take it I just turn the phone over.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ITNV:
I've mostly surfed sites that are formatted for phones so that may make it seem faster than it is but so far the speeds are comparable to what I was seeing on my Tilt.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ITNV:
Sounds like question 1. has been answered.

2. It is a little stiff but if you adjust the touchscreen sensitivity, it's fine. (And I put the protector on before even using the phone so I can't comment how sensitive it was without the protector.

3. Screen only (w/ a cutout for the speaker)

4. I've used regular headphones in the 3.5 mm jack with no problems. Haven't tried any of the others but they appear to be: 2.5mm for video out, USB headphone port and USB pass-thru for charging/syncing with the dongle attached.

5. I have a bunch of USB cables in my drawer and I honestly don't remember which one came with the fuze. I think it was around 2' though.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Alucard_11:
Dont know if any of you guys already saw this, or not.

But for u guys talking about the TV-OUT cable and which one it was, and if it was gonna be included or anything like that, i think i read in past recent posts.

I found this while just randomly looking at fuze websites

it might help...or it just might be old news idk >_>

http://www.fuzemobility.com/?p=165
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
Old news ZzZz. :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] gatordent:
Hey guys, does anyone know if it is possible to strip the videoshare app from the original ATT rom, so that it can be made into a cab file and installed onto a cooked rom? i have spent an hour searching but i cant find an answer, all i found was news that the new ATT wm 6.1 rom for the tilt has it, and i'm pretty sure the original fuze rom had it too.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] venelar:
Pretty sure Notatreofan is making a stripped ATT rom when it comes out. That'd be the person to hit up for it.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] y2whisper:
so basically i sacrifice the front cam by switching from the touch pro to the fuze. and nothing more...I think i will be prepared to make that sacrifice. its between that and the X1 which will cost a pretty penny at this point. Just need to get back my 3G usage.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] NotATreoFan:
I'm gonna strip the latest AT&T ROM this weekend, but I can't test it yet. If anyone with a Fuze is willing to be the guinea pig, then PM me. I should have something ready by Monday night.

I'm waiting for the Fuze for the same reason... I just can't go back to Edge.