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[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jtoyz2:
Nov 3rd seem like it could be true i dont see why people or bashing on him for giving us some info...i remember the diamond had a release date that everyone thought was true but it didnt release until a couple weeks later for sprint...all we should care about is that its actually will come out for ATT...oct 23 and nov 3 thats less than 2 weeks apart from one another...thanks for the info by the way
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Sebrina:
I'm only saying that giving info without proof is why everyone is upset. By the way the guy waiting for the Pro or the HD thats an easy one Touch Pro since the US will NEVER get a Touch HD in the US, it's already been officially said that there will be no touch HD coming to the US. Also I'm not sure if some have had bad expierences with cooperate stores in the past but my store last year gave me a date for the TyTn II release last year and they had it in stock a day early so yea I'm inclined to believe them, the NYC cooperate store near my house is usually very reliable and don't guess release dates like some other places.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] laakness:
I'm not trying to start a fight and am glad that the 23rd may be a possibility too.

I wouldn't be myself if I didn't say this though...where is YOUR proof :) You can't get on my case with 'well my store told me this'.

I mean this in the lightest of moods, so don't get angry...besides, after reading, it looks like this device suffers from the same "it's a business device, not a media device BS" that I got with my Tilt...and I won't go on that train again.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Raspster:
Well, if it comes on the 23rd then at&t will beat sprint out of the gate as the sprint version has been pushed to Nov 2nd. Plus, I have not seen any official previews of the fuze anywhere on the net. Or did I miss something..? The sprint version has youtubes all over the web with official previews.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
go to "the fuze" thread htc has a link with the fuze on it

and there is also a att sheet that has it listed for 23rd
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Yes, and at the time that sheet was released Sprint's Touch Pro was set to release on the 16th. Sprint's got pushed back to November 2nd, and I believe the exclusivity still plays a role in the fact that they're the first carrier to get it, so AT&T may have had to push their date back to the 3rd. It makes perfect sense, and the training dates wouldn't be delayed if they already had them set up.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
exclusivity i believe doesnt push others back when one carrier delays theirs.

like how att keeps delaying their bold im pretty sure other carriers can bring them out withint the time frame specified when att originally should have had it out
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
I kinda want mine back, now that I see the stupid AT&T badge on the newer prototypes.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] loaferkan:
I just spoke to this guy who works at at&t, he showed me the whole training thing he had received from at&t on october 17 or so, he was telling me that his phone is mailed to him and will be getting it on monday. the release date he was not sure but he was saying october 27....or 23 never remember that. He also told me that it will cost about 300 after rebate. that is the best info you guys will get from any place else. wait on this thing going to ROCK!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] bigb252:
This sucks. I tried to buy a couple cards off Woot!, but alas, they don't ship down here to the Virgin Islands.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Dramacydle:
I forgot about QuickGPS, but that's not necessarily a must if the GPS can establish a connection without assistance from that application. For the majority of the time I've been navigating, I haven't used QuickGPS to establish links with available satellites. As far as TomTom turning gray without service, I've never experienced this problem. I've used the GPS in areas without service and, other times, I've disabled to phone radio to conserve battery life while using the GPS, but I've never had the gray screen problem you've described. I've only used TT6. I'm not sure if you've had that problem with another version.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] asingic:
http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/10/17/att-plans-to-launch-the-bold-on-the-27th/

IDK if official but 11-4-08,
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] naveen:
nice find!!! we can wait a bit more. i did not see the blackjack iii or omnia.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] glebv:
Why must they keep delaying the good stuff. In any case, I think I might just buy for the no-contract price and see if I can get to work on T-Mobile's network. Even at that price it should still be cheaper than the unlocked Touch Pro. Still, I will need to see. Also, my Wing's front buttons don't really work well anymore, so I think it knows whats coming :D.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] baboola:
hmm...bold on 27th...i might have to jump ship if they keep delaying fuze

btw, that is a very good point. If the no-contract price for Fuze is cheaper than bb's TP (and i still doubt they are going to sell this no matter how many district managers claim they'll be selling TP, because it doesn't make any sense from business standpoint), and assuming Fuze isn't watered down (or very much), why wouldn't ppl just buy Fuze and unlock it to use on T-mo?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] naveen:
i was thinking the same thing but after rethinking the situation, how much can you actually modify the bold?:confused:
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Isn't there an entire community for that? forums.crackberry.com
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] renegadebmw:
Are you drunk? :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Hahaha...

Gas to drive to the AT&T store: $1.29

Accessories you had to buy to convince the employee to talk to you about more than what he's selling: $49

Coming home to post this great leak to find out it's the same information we've seen 50 times: Priceless
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sdlopez83:
ROTFL too funny
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] skyfox99:
at&t version of the omnia is in there, the eternity... Says it has a slide out keypad, though... which leads me to believe that "release" may be full of it... Anyway, there is no such thing as the BJIII, yet... The new device is going to coincide with the BJII... Will be a lot like the BJII with WinMo Pro instead of Standard, which is cool. That new release will even be released at the same time of other Samsung release for some interesting competition this holiday season... Samsung seems to be wanting to get into the smartyphone market pretty heavily. Expect to see a BJIII some time next year.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
AHEM... I MAY be able to acquire...

As in, I can acquire...

2 phones that may be interesting to the people of this thread.

I'm not going to say that one is the Fuze and the other is the BlackJack 3, and I won't tell you to PM me with offers, because I'm not so sure how well that'd go over with AT&T... But, that being said, PM me with offers. I will also say, pricing won't be much higher than the retail non-contract price for each phone, definitely not looking for $1,000 like last time seeing as we're much closer to the release now. Both are new in box. :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
you have an actual fuze unlike the previous pre release one??

does it have an led?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
I already had one previously, and yes it did have an LED. I don't have these phones in hand at the moment, that's why I said I can acquire them... PM for details, don't wanna get in troubleeee. :P
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Omnia will not be coming to AT&T as far as we know, this has been covered already. A phone that looks like the Omnia is coming, but it is not Windows Mobile, it has a proprietary operating system.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] kdeezy:
View attachment 122952

View attachment 122953

Fuze shots...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
I'm wondering why everything but the bottom row in TF3D is the same as the earlier pre-release versions, curious if it's a custom modification or if they'll all ship like that. Doesn't really match with the rest of TF3D IMO.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
exactly what black said. i dont want to believe that they changed the icons. they were sleek and attractive.

but thanks for the shots!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] kdeezy:
No I changed the TF3D interface with the customizer.. I also deleted the at&t tab that comes default
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
no offense, but *phew*.

good to know you can delete the at&t tab though.

i'm totally jealous of you btw. i'm going nuts waiting for this thing.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Oh okay, awesome, thanks for clarifying. I considered removing the AT&T tab from TF3D using Diamond TF3D Config, but the messenger is located in the AT&T tab, and I use that quite often.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] kdeezy:
None taken... I'm still searching for a good tf3d theme to go on here... Saw a few but none really jump out at me..
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
which messenger?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
can you take a pic of the back?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
yeah, i've been looking for a theme too (i know, i dont have the phone...). i mean i know i'll be customizing the background, but so far i havent really seen an icon set that looks cleaner, or more complete as a whole than the default one.

so far, even the clocks seem to be lacking, i think i really like the default rolodex clock, although the at&t one looks cool. i guess i'll haveto play with it to find what worrks best for me.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
AIM/MSN/Yahoo, the built-in messenger on all of the phones.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
I don't know if his is different, but here's what mine looked like:

Obviously not clean, but you can deal with it. :P
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
ohh have you tried beejive? muchhhh nicer or even slick both are free
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Nah, I don't use it enough to warrant getting another program for it, but enough to warrant keeping the location available.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] petard:
NICE there is an extra button than on the Touch Pro (the PTT button). I remapped the PTT button on my Tilt to Gmail (java application) and if held down to Comm Manager. Might have to remap it to Gmail/Opera on this though since it has was less buttons.

Also, would it be possible to change one of the dumb AT&T buttons by the space bar to a CTRL button? I was so excited to have a CTRL button but AT&T removed it!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] kdeezy:
Some back action...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
im hoping eventually programs get a way to implement themselves into tabs like the normal today screen is that we can add our own too thats the one problem.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
....*mouth gaping open*

...did it come with those fingerprints, or did you use it for 30 seconds? :P
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
wow, it looks real good.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Yeah I remapped mine, but only got it to the point where the PTT button and holding the send button did the same function, couldn't figure any other way to remap it. I used it for voice commands, made a thread on what I did somewhere in the Raphael section if you're interested.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] petard:
2 and a half more weeks to go! I can't wait for this thing!

Also, maybe someone can make a program so that if you hold the PTT button and make a gesture on the capacitive portion (on the buttons) to launch certain programs? Like hold the PTT button and swipe down to launch a program. Or even hold the PTT and click another button. I really liked the shortcuts on the Tilt and thats what I will miss when upgrading!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
I think it looks even more fingerprint-magnetic than the Diamond. :|
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] kdeezy:
Man I use this phone religiously! I figured I'd take a picture and include the fingerprints...LOL It's bound to happen anyway!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
thankss

thank god the flash is still there. people got all paranoid saying it was taken off

have you tried other roms? how does it hold up in terms of lag or anything
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Haha yeah I used mine a ton, but the gray didn't show fingerprints much at all, which is something I was happy about. I'm kinda disappointed they went to glossy black, honestly, I thought either flat black or gray would be the way to go.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
true, but maybe a clear-coat protector would change this?

--maybe not. but the glossy-ness definitely makes me want to get one of the clear-coat/fullbody protectors
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
He can tell you how his version was, but as for mine, the AT&T ROM was so much faster than I expected. Others who used it said the same, it was responsive right out of the box. I also didn't experience the GPS lag that others complain about, so I think that's a software issue with the international Touch Pro's.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] petard:
Can you buy the battery cover that doesn't have the angles and is matte? I would really prefer one of those.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] kdeezy:
I flashed this one with the latest AT&T Rom located in the Raphael Wiki.. It's actually pretty smooth..With a few TF3d tweaks it really responds quick to your fingers. GPS takes longer to load but it's bearable. View attachment 122963
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
bah! i'll be replacing that startuup animation. i liked htc's!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] kdeezy:
I installed this cool time changing wallpaper.. It's pretty slick. I got it from a thread on here I can't remember it though. Mine has a porsche driving on the road and as the time changes, the sun comes up, goes down, the car's lights come on, go off.. Its great eye candy for the Iphone lovers I'm surrounded by!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
The battery covers on the European to American Diamonds are interchangeable, but I'm not sure if the Fuze has the camera and LED located in exactly the same spot. I'd assume so, but you know what happens when you assume...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] kdeezy:
Had a chance to play with the Bold a couple of times.. Must say it is definitely a come up but at the end of the day, it's still a blackberry!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
rgr that.

i was referring to the pic he posted of the at&t worldphone splash/animation, we're going to have to deal with the at&t logo on the phone enough as it is, i think i'll try to avoid it at all costs.

*ps, anyone ever tried rubbing a carrier logo off before (sugarcube method)?

i dont know/think i'm going to do the above, but its an idea. i think i'll probably just live with the logo...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] kdeezy:
I heard about that method but never tried it.. I like the AT&T start up personally.. I know there are better ones out there but I'm really not that concerned about start up
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Sugarcube method in action:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOSVmvsSNR8
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
did you do the tweaks with the diamond config tool or registry?

and have you attempted to change the volume buttons or PTT button?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Sebrina:
Not sure if you should apply sugar cubes on the Fuze if you notice where the logo is it's actually on the screen casing that might be a little more fragile that that old Sprint phone that was used in the video, now I haven't tested it or anything but I saw the Fuze in person and it sorta looks like a fragile area.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Yeah, I'm not gonna be the one to try it, but if you guys wanna give it a shot be my guest.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] asingic:
If you can find it that would be great! I dont have the phone but it sounds cool
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] asingic:
Has anyone tried the tethering? How is it regarding speed?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
He does have an AT&T phone, he just stated that he flashed to the most recent of the AT&T ROMs that are available.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] asingic:
oh ok.

After reading all these posts I missed last night I'm trying to find accessories for the phone. Number one is the case. . . any ideas? I really like the one for the iphone, I think it is the siedo version? or maybe I'll look into the smaller otter boxes too
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
I think there's a thread regarding cases in the Raphael Accessories subforum. Check it out.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] asingic:
yeah there is ... hehe too early in the morning.

Looking at accessories ... ways to custom ... what to add/remove ... new ideas.

man I need coffee. . .
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] kdeezy:
I've used the diamond config and schapps advanced configuration tool so far. I applied some registry hacks I found in the "Raphael Tweaks" forum (thanks Black!). Make sure you get the flashlite cab for the opera browser, which by the way is a great browser for the fuze..
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ewannebo:
http://www.htcwiki.com/page/FUZE+Tips

Not sure how long this has been up but htcwiki has a Fuze tips page now. There it mentions tethering. Under the category, : unable to tether to PC : the answer is "An AT&T Laptop Connect plan is required in order to use the device as a wireless modem."
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] asingic:
Yeah I saw that ... and I have the connect data plan. I use it for work right now with my BJ II. One of the reasons I never jumped to the iphone since you cannot tether to it without hack, low speeds, etc.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] baboola:
any way around this? not saying people should abuse it, but would be nice to have the option in case it's needed
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] atsitalian:
PdaNet is now available on a jailbroken iPhone so you can tether to a lapyop at full 3G speeds. I am not an apple fanboy and will be coming back to Winmo and the Fuze as soon as I can get my hands on it at the ATT store. Not having "real" GPS, the ability to attach multiple attachments in emails, and a half-baked MS Exchange functionality are the real dealbreakers with me for the iPhone.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] asingic:
With all the jailbreaking, its always in the back of my head if apple changes something then I'll be screwed later on or they will figure away to dactivate it. The whole control over a phone that I own I'm not too fond of, nor of the application killer, even Tmo bought into this.

From what I hear the radio isn't too good in the iPhone either speed wise, so I think it may be a compromise. I do like the iPhone but I dont like the restrictions and the jumbo mega data $$ plan not to mention the below comment.

I'm getting the cheapest plan for this fuze. I may get the data plan for three months not sure yet since its basically like getting the MIR. either $30 for three months or pay the extra $100 at the beginning. I plan to pop my work SIM in this phone since I'm given tethering, 1200 min, unlimited data, and all the good stuff and forward my new line to the work phone so my phone plan is just the 39.99 ATT plan. If there was a smaller one I would take it.

I'm still in for the fuze.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] baboola:
i believe there ARE retention plans more suited for people who do not use their phone as often. Whether you can get it or not depends on how persuasive you are and how nice the rep is :)

if i remember correctly, they're ~$20-30 plans.

btw, why don't you just get a non-contract fuze and use the company's SIM?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] asingic:
My only predicament in that is that I cant keep my personal phone number and then I wanted to forward that number to the work phone. I figure right now I'm spending about 60-70 to keep the line open with current features. I am with TMO right now and I didn't realize that when I forward my phone I am charged my minutes. so last month my bill was high. :eek:

second, I text internationally for personal reasons, and thats one thing that company wont pay for ... yet.

so out of pocket it will be about $40/month, less $$.

with pay as you go are you charged forwarding? thats the only other way I could think about doing this if I could forward a pay as you go phone and text internationally then I'd be set!!! :cool:
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] asingic:
hmm ... just checked ... I guess with pay as you go since my company phone is att, there is unlimited mobile to mobile with call forwarding so no charge for that. and I'll just use the prepay for texting! yay! I wish there was text fowarding... I guess I'm going to buy the fuze out right now!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
as far as the tethering goes im pretty sure the tilt had the same clause that said you had to have the pda data plan with tethering but i know on my 8525 i jus have data and it works. you just need to use htc's "internet sharing" not att's tether program. but yes those of you who have the fuze is internet sharing on there or do we have to install it
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] TurboX2:
has anyone started a petition yet for those who do not want the lame ass att keyboard layout???

the only time to stop this from happening is now

any day they will start manufacturing thousands of these phones with cntl-less keyboards.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] naveen:
i doubt a petition will do anything.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] glebv:
Not sure if this is legit or not, but I think I will post it none the less.

http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=1389
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
That was posted here already I think. But oh well November it is then
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] glebv:
Oops, looks like my sources are behind, need to do something about that.

On a side note, does anyone know if they will be offering any discounts on the non-contract price soon (month or two) after the release? Is there even a chance of them doing it. I think I will still by it no matter the price, wing has served me well and it is my first Windows Mobile device which was made even better by the great people of these forums, but I think it has served its time and I want something better.

Also, T-Mobile's ROMs were pretty bad as far as performance went and from what I have read in this thread, this doesn't seem to be the problem with AT&T and the fuze. But how have AT&T's ROMs been in the past, I will probably flash it since ROMs in here are much better, but I might wait a bit just in case.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] skyfox99:
at&t will be getting a version of the omnia, and sooner than you think, samsung is releasing 6 phones with in the next 30 days just with at&t. there's just so many phones being released, people are getting confused... not to mention the 32 gig iPhone that wil be ot prior to x-mas
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] skyfox99:
woops sorry double post
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] petard:
Im sure they have MANY MANY FUZEs already manufactured, just waiting for the final ROM (or maybe they already have the final ROM on them). I bought my Tilt right when they came out, yet under the battery cover it claims to have been manufactured 061107. It can't be november 6th because I bought it in October, so it must have been manufactured June 11th, a good 4 months before release.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] bigb252:
Question for you guys with the Fuze already - do they come with the screen protectors? If yes, how much of the screen does it cover?

I'm SOOO READY to pick this phone up. Seriously.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Oh okay, last I checked those Omnia rumors were squashed because a phone that looks just like the Omnia is coming, forget what it's called. I guess both are coming. :P
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] naveen:
discounts will depend upon what the demand for the phone is.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] glebv:
Thanks for the answer, I guess we will know soon enough.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Yeah, it came with the same protector as the European version but it had no little hole for the front camera (obviously).
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
My ROM was dated at 06/17 I think, so they've had running Fuzes at least since then.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mzshortay:
Nevermind...noticed it had been posted already.