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[Touch Pro, Fuze General] clitcommander:
I am gonna feel so bad when I drop this thing... I know it is going to happen. :(
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] renegadebmw:
@ ITNV - I am so jealous. Can you take some pics of the KB also, what is the actual RAM/ROM left on the thing. Thanks for sharing!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
just get a clear coat, keep it from scratching

its just a cropped jpg from the htc wiki. the lines you see are the pixels on the exact edge of the device dragged out to make a rectangular image. i'm not quite sure why this happened... but thats the price we pay for a pre-release press-shot.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] zachoo:
Second the request for RAM/ROM info, please!

Many rumors floating around about missing memory...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] technillion:
The user manual will help...

Can you drop the PDF file somewhere so we can have a look at it?

Thanks!!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sdlopez83:
No worries joking good work.

I know this is my greatest fear. the Tilt was very durable i must say. Much more thatn the 8525 or the 8125.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
yeah, i got ya.

my 8125 was horribly built. lets hope the stainless steel frame of the fuze holds up better.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ITNV:
Haven't installed any other apps aside from the AT&T bloatware that self-installed.

Memory:

Storage - 293.04 MB total (80.57 MB in use)

Program - 200.99 MB total (87.68 MB in use)

As for the Touch Flo interface, it looks like every Touch Pro walkthrough I've seen online. The only difference I've found is that AT&T added a tab of their own programs. (Hopefully easily removed...)

KB Pic:

Better Interface Pic:

Memory Screen:
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] will6316:
I went to a att store today Brighton Beach Brooklyn NY. and the sales rep said the fuze will be out in about 2 weeks. He also had one. He said he had it a week. And he let me take some pics of it. Back goes my diamond I bouhgt from Best Buy for 650 bucks. He said with contract and rebate around 400 without 600 bucks. Hopes this helps. It also has a glossy back like the eu diamond.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ITNV:
TV Out

FYI... TV Out software is included. Won't launch without the cable, though.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] zachoo:
ITNV --

a) Thanks!!!

b) I'm insanely jealous- enjoy
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] renegadebmw:
That is excellent news so the hardware is def there, then hopefully they didn't mess with the FM Radio.

+1 to the PDF manual request.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
200 mb of memory? really? i'm horrified that at&t would do that.

ps. thanks for all the pics. feeding my addiction :D
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ITNV:
It didn't come with a paper manual and so far I haven't had any luck finding an electronic version on the phone. If I come across it I'll post it, though.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
anyone think that at&t may have dedicated 56mb of memory to the processor/graphics unit?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
i think is some is just kept unlisted for other uses? i thought the 8525 had more then was really shown in the menus but im not sure

either way 200 is soooo much more than i have now haha
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Captain_Throwback:
now the question is . . . WHICH cable . . ?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
you're telling me! i'm coming from a wizard with ~27 mb free on a clean (nothing running) reboot.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Phantisy:
I thought you were talking about the 4 corners lol... I see what your saying now ;)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] NotATreoFan:
Could also be related to all the bloat they preload. When I cleaned up the Official 6.1 ROM for the Tilt, I was able to reclaim 30MB of space in the ROM that they were hogging.

I'm sure a clean version of their ROM, which will be the first thing I create upon purchasing, will have notably more free space.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
wow stores in pittsburgh still dont know what the fuze is

i dont like this
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] esquire0399:
Don't worry, it means nothing. It's not unusual for a store to be unaware of an upcoming phone until they receive their shipment, which will apparently be fairly soon.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] raywright1:
menu item for tv out software

where in TF3D or WM61 menus is the TV out software? did you just use "all programs" or does it have a shortcut icon?

got my third look (very brief):

1. the camera flash can be used as a flash light without any additional cab or software. it's a menu choice in the camera app.

2. pdf attachments that come through email can be zoomed and panned nicely.

3. it does not come with a screen protector like the euro TP does.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] naveen:
@ITNV,

does your fuze have a fm radio?:confused:i just saw that others have asked also, whoops.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ITNV:
under the System tab in Settings
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ghost13:
thanks for the info INTV u just made my MOFO day!!! fm radio???:D
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Scoop3:
I think no.1 was previously known. but it's such pain in the ass to get to for a flashlight... hence people made an application that does it w/ one press :D
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ITNV:
My pleasure! The questions have helped me figure out the phone a little faster. :D I'm going to try to get the headphones next week so I should know about the FM radio then!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ITNV:
Weird. Mine included a screen protector.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Alucard_11:
omg i hate ITNV >_<!!

lol but yea the phone looks great, even if AT&T kinda ruined the TF3d black interface, which im sure will be changable.

Is the stylus and different than the Sprint one?? not such a big deal, but im curious.. take more pics! lmao
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] faustiano:
Keyboard Question

Here is a lame question,

For the few of us that prefer to have the number keys at the top of the keyboard does anyone know if the Sprint keyboard could be swapped with the ATT keyboard?

Just trying to get creative :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ghost13:
Thanks INTV you are my new hero!!! until the phone comes out haha
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] renegadebmw:
Whew, I was gonna flip if AT&T didn't ship one. I hope to get by with the stock one until I can order a decent one which could take a bit.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Phantisy:
Do you really need headphones for the FM radio to work? I wouldn't think so. Just try the cab and let us know no need to wait for headphones.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] clitcommander:
that's what I'm sayin! ;)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
for whoever wanted to see the sliding mechanism, see the 360 degree view here: http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/HTC-Touch-Pro-Review-review-r_2003-p_2.html
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ITNV:
I'm pretty sure when Black went through it with his phone he had to get the headphones for it to work. (Maybe similar to the way the TV out won't work if the cable isn't plugged in.) Maybe he can chime in and let us know how it worked (?)

Otherwise, I'll try to install the cab and see how it goes.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Phantisy:
If you have the xbox360 headset or a wireless home phone with a headset that will work in tricking the hardware that headphones are connected. Worth a shot anyway. They use the 3.5mm jack.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ITNV:
Anyone have a link to the FM Radio.cab file? I tried searching the forum but didn't have any luck...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] esquire0399:
Here you go:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=2692292&postcount=204
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ITNV:
FM Radio

FM Radio works great.

After installing the FM Radio.cab file, you need to attach the dongle AND a set of headphones before the FM Radio program will run. (Just the dongle doesn't work. It still won't launch.) Doesn't seem to matter what headphones, either. I used a pair of ipod earbuds and it was able to get all the stations in the area with great quality.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Phantisy:
Great to hear :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] clitcommander:
word! thx man!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
does the dongle let you charge on the mini usb and also have a headset working through the 3.5? and does the dongle have a mic?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Dramacydle:
Lots of phones use the earphones as an antenna for the device, so maybe that's part of the limitation.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] esquire0399:
Great to hear. Thanks for the update.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] naveen:
yum, yum...i think i need to change my shorts!:o
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jblakk:
I was going to say that, If I remember correctly, it is not good for the FM receiver to not have an antenna, so It need to use the ground wire of the headphones to use as an antenna. The check is probably just a hardware protection mechanism.

Glad to hear that FM, and TV out work. Nice tidbit on the Teathering thing. I have been using my 8525 to teather a bit(when I need to) and never got introuble. Guess as long as I stay under 5 gig were G2G... Just hoping my Radio will hold out a few more weeks....its getting bad.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
it seems all of us 8525 ownders are in trouble right now. it seems they planned it perfectly to die right before the touch pro came out

come on fuze!!!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
I completely agree. Mine barely keeps a charge anymore of a year of loyalty all of a sudden I get three maybe four hours out of it now. And the damn thing won't grab a signal no matter where I am and I've run threw every radio on the wiki. Oh well, I'm getting a Fuze. Those pics from the earlier post are driving me nuts. :D It just sucks that I'm under contract til April (WTF!) I guess I'll be swinging for retail
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] pinktaco:
I thought fuze had ROM: 512 MB RAM: 288MB? did att mess up the phone?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] petard:
I was just at Best Buy and they have the Sprint version early. I played around with it for some time and I am excited more than ever for the FUZE! Hurry up AT&T!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
it does have 512 mb rom, however some (200mb) is used for the actual ROM, the rest goes to storage memory. The ram has always been spec'd out at 256mb, and the general consensus is that the 56 mb is reserved to only be accessed by the processor/chipset.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] NotATreoFan:
I finally handled a Fuze tonight!!!!

After a rather satisfying dinner at Chili's, I stopped by the AT&T store right up the street from my house. I walked in and asked "Can you tell me anything about the Fuze?"

The first guy looked at me cross-eyed, and then the second guy pulled his Fuze from his shirt pocket... (little kid moment coming) OMG THE PHONE IS BEAUTIFUL!!!! Although some of the following may be repetitive, I'll say it anyway.

The Fuze has the diamond-shaped back. According to the sales rep, this was done because the test users responded better to it then the matte covers Verizon and Sprint are using.

The stock AT&T ROM is actually pretty damn snappy. It is obviously bogged down by bloat, but is a lot faster then a stock Tilt.

Internet Sharing is available right from Programs. AT&T no longer disguises it with Wireless Modem.

Screen protector included. Glossy, I will be buying a matte one.

Same thickness as the Tilt, but otherwise smaller.

The keyboard is much more responsive then the Tilt keyboard.

The screen is much more responsive then the Diamond I was testing. The Touch Keyboard actually works really well.

The camera does not lag at all compared to the Tilt. Both still and video are amazing.

November 4th is when my home store will have it in stock. Both the Fuze and the Bold will arrive around 12pm.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mario23:
Thanks for the update.

I think I'm going to have to get one...Damnit!!!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] naveen:
thanks for the info!!!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] CalifornIyay:
Here goes another Fuze on Ebay. Seller has 100% feedback and located in Frisco but his Buy It Now price is a lil to rich for my blood..

Item number: 150305874939

Link:

http://cgi.ebay.com/HTC-Touch-PRO-F...14&_trkparms=72:1205|66:2|65:12|39:1|240:1318
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] MRFERRARI23:
WOW VERY NICE...good looking with that link even though that price is nuts..to be honest for 800 id buy the unlocked version instead which is official lol...and i like how att didnt give it a crappy box...looks nicely done so far!!! if i got the att one id def want that bloat ware stuff off an that stupid att start up screen lol... so november 4th is the day huh...niceeeee should be interesting!!! i head bestbuys getting the unlocked version november 16th so will see whats what!!! :D
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
i bid. i want ittttt
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] CalifornIyay:
I am wondering if the ROM on this 3G Fuze selling on ebay would access the 3G on the Euro HTC Touch Pro's or was it established its hardware?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] CalifornIyay:
Just Buy it Now :D
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
It was established to be a hardware difference. The geniuses are still working on it, but HTC came out and said it requires additional hardware and can not be done with software changes.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Jesus this thread moves fast, I'm not on often enough to keep up. As for the guy who went to the Brighton Beach AT&T store, my sister works in Brighton... Creepy.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] theomni:
So I guess Nov. 3rd/4rth is now the official date?

Before, it was Oct. 23rd.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] I8UB4:
So I was looking at the pictures posted on the above ebay listing, and the home screen has an ugly AT&T ROM. I noticed that the clock has the same style as the Sprint clock, and not the cool European style that has the numbers that flip. Does anybody know if there is an option to choose the European-style home screen and theme on the Fuze?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] venelar:
Yes you can change the theme. Check the diamond forum for tons of theme options.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] NighTalon:
Pain and Agony: Considering an Epix to tide me over?

Just went to the local AT&T store yesterday to replace my Mom's iPhone adapter and to get them to teach my Dad how to set up his voicemail greeting. I was really ticked they couldn't update my Mom's iPhone software, so I had to do it myself.

Unfortunately I still am not on AT&T (they switched a couple months ago) because the Touch Pro/Fuze hasn't come out. In the meantime I'm stuck with a VZW Treo 700w running WM5 with a measly 32 MB RAM, 10 of which is accessible at boot. So I considered buying an Epix (they hadn't heard of it until they found it in their computer and then opened up a box for me) but ultimately the salesperson convinced me that I shouldn't exchange after thirty days for the Fuze.

First of all, if I damage the phone in any way, I can't exchange it and my subsidy for the world's most expensive phone is used up. Second, if for any reason the Fuze release date gets delayed, I've just lost my subsidy. Third, there are no AT&T stores in New Haven and I'm not on break until the 22nd which is cutting it close if I bought it today. Fourth, there are two AT&T stores, each 5 miles away, but my bike was stolen a few weeks ago.

Struggle city. I want a new phone so bad, and I can't wait to switch from VZW.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] asadkhan1988:
i see your located in bensalem. Im in huntingdon valley, could you tell me whjich att store this was? im really excited for this phone, although my e71 is a fabulous phone.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] glebv:
Didn't know there were so many people living relatively close to me. I was thinking of going to that store too since its the closest AT&T store to me, looks like I will wait until November 4th, if I will be able to contain my excitement for the phone.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] txmcse01:
Keyboard

I've seen two sets of keyboards. one style keyboard has a row of numbers on top, and the other has a keypad ( func + ) style layout. Do we know for sure what the november 3/4 at&t release will have?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
att has symbols on top and number grouped like in the past

also has a windows button and an ok button
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] phospholipasea2:
Do different stores receive phones on different dates?

Last I heard here (interwebs), FUZE to be out Nov. 4th.

Went to 3 stores in TN/VA today...

store #1:

"Wait a minute, just read about it..." Shuffled papers... "ATT FUZE will be available in store Nov 12."

store #2:

"I can tell you the same rumors you already read on the internet, but ___ told me it will be out in November."

store #3:

"We got no official notice about this phone, but I know that they are planning it before the holiday season, so it should be here in November."
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Alucard_11:
the Fuze on that ebay link, has 3g capabilities right?

cuz it says "GSM" so idk im confused
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ITNV:
If it is a "Fuze" (w/ the AT&T logo in the upper right corner) it has 3G.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Alucard_11:
ok ok cool thanks...im bidding...>_>
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
Soo....No one didn't get a decent answer to the question.

Does the FUZE COME WITH A TV-OUT CABLE? I saw the dongle it came with, but never the tv-out cable...so I'm suspicious. And it's not like AT&T to include ANYTHING with their high-end phones. So I'm curious as to what AT&T will be giving with it. It would be a big surprise if they even give a dongle with it. It would attract a lot of people into buying the fuze more if they included a cradle, dongle, and tv-out cable.

Personally I'll be getting the following when the fuze comes out:

8gb microSD (going on 4gb right now)

Cradle

Tv-Out Cable

Leather Case

and Dongle (if it doesn't come with the phone =/)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] renegadebmw:
It does come with the headphone dongle, see INTV's pics earlier in this thread. And apparently it doubles as a tv out connection if you have the right cable (RCA to 3.5mm).
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ITNV:
No. Just the dongle.

My guess is that AT&T included the dongle to provide a way to charge the phone while using a TV Out cable and/or headphones. (Probably because of complaints with the Tilt...)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ucf713:
So one of these would work for tv out?

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10241&cs_id=1024102&p_id=2752&seq=1&format=2#description
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ITNV:
Maybe. It's possible that the 2.5mm jack is for A/V out, though. In which case you would need something like this: http://www.dcables.net/browseproducts/2.5-mm-Stereo-to-3x-RCA-AV-Cable---5-Feet.HTML

They are both pretty cheap so I'll probably order both and see which one works. As soon as I find out, I'll post on here!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] garyfunk:
I see it still has that darn small screen. After playing with an iPhone, I can understand why so many like. The screen is great. HTC, wake up and give us a bigger screen.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] 10332007:
Its called the Touch HD.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] garyfunk:
Okay, AT&T, wake up and give us a HTC with a big screen.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] wmm:
Fantastic! Thanks much for being the guinea pig on that! :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] gatordent:
i dont get it, why would at&t include the dongle w/o the tv out software installed?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] esquire0399:
Why on Earth would ATT release a phone with a bigger screen than the iPhone and risk hurting iPhone sales? And ATT is releasing the Fuze because it has a full QWERTY, which appeals to business users a lot more than a virtual keyboard would (I assume, I'm not one). Could you imagine if the Touch HD was as thick as the Fuze considering its already huge footprint? In this "thin"-obsessed society, it would never sell.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
you can change whats in the app menu cant you??

and the final fuze should have videoshare. on the htc site for the fuze it says it has it
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] TheBundo:
Recuring charges created by crippling phones should be banned by someone, maybe the FCC, but I guess that's not their job. I guess I wouldn't want to live where they made that many little laws. Nevertheless, we can still vote - with our pocketbooks.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] zephxiii:
i kinda like how the numbers are on the fuze, i don't like them in rows, i like them in standard keypad config. I would imagine some real estate was needed to add in the 3rd band of HSPAness, something may have been lost for it. In addition, minor slashes could have been made to help out the final costs of the units.

whatever the fuze doesn't have, it will still be spec'd nicely....550 isn't too bad.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] zephxiii:
important question: How does it's reception compare to the tilt? I live in a weak area, so its critical for me, i have a BJII, and it doesn't fly where i live...my 8525 is great though.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sdlopez83:
HD will come to US SOIL but in the form of HD Android.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
I saw that somewhere too. I heard it was going to T-Mobile also
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] faustiano:
UGG, looking at the photo, it looks to be confirmed that the top row is only the symbols and not the number pad... I have NO clue why they did that... Kinda defeats the purpose for having a 5th row.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Raspster:
Yea, when I was using it when I had the Fuze for the short period of time that I did, I too was disapointed but you do get use to it. You will have one keys for "( ) ! ?" and many other symbols thou. I was typing fast in just a few days but I still like the numbers up top.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] renegadebmw:
I know its a stupid question but, what does the back look like? I was just curious if AT&T left it alone or changed from the diamond-like design.

Also I second the request for the actual RAM/ROM specs.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] wmm:
This is obviously a matter of personal taste; you can't possibly satisfy everyone. Personally I like the AT&T arrangement: it's a pain to have to peck out the keys all across the top row when you're entering a phone number or other string of digits; it's much nicer to have all the numbers clustered close together in a little square. Once I found out that I could go into "NumLock" mode by hitting FN twice and just type the numbers in the embedded numeric pad without shifting before each one, there's no way I'd want to have them strung out across the whole width of the keyboard. (I always use the numeric keypad on my computer keyboard, too, whenever I have more than 2-3 digits in a row to type.) And having common symbols available without a shift is a definite plus, too.

So I'm sorry you and some others aren't happy with the AT&T layout, but for myself, I'm really glad they changed it.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] baboola:
Nice. If there's a numeric lock, then it wouldn't be such a bad idea after all. Though I can foresee some still preferring a 4 row qwerty for larger keys in this case. It's all good, I just can't wait to get my paws on the Fuze :D
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Sebrina:
Visited my local AT&T store again today (in NYC) regional guy was in there re-stocking phones again (I think picked up on his schedule :)). He still confirming nothing has changed, the lunch training meeting for the Fuze is still set for the 16th and they said the store would be stocked about a week thereafter. This puts the date back at the 23rd I'm holding firm on that date since I did get to speak with the guy and he pretty much knows the phone, confirmed the keyboard layout was changed and even knew about the camera.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] rambo6:
Does anyone know what radios the Touch Pro has. Does it have the HSDPA 850 and 1900 bands as well as the European 900/2100 bands for data ? I've heard that the 850 and 1900 bands can be hacked. If it doesn't have North American 3G bands, then it would be better to wait for the Fuze.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Sebrina:
Unlocked version will not work on AT&T 3G networks, that has already been confirmed.