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[Touch Pro, Fuze General] dontdo_that:
You have a pretty good point. But why would they bother keeping the release date a secret? or are they not, and just no one knows? IE: If you have seen the pictures of those confidential documents with the launch dates for the different phones, why is that confidential then if no one really knows, or cares (aside from us enthusiasts) anyways?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] wmm:
Big companies have the basic policy that anything that hasn't been intentionally publicized is confidential. For a lot of stuff, it's not because there's any great reason to keep it secret, it's just because there isn't a third category of "stuff it's okay to talk about even though the company hasn't officially made it public information." That prevents information that could be harmful -- tipping their hand to competitors, etc. -- from being disclosed just because no one explicitly classified it as secret.

In this case, though, there is a pretty good reason to keep their plans confidential. Because they never said that the Fuze was coming on October 23, even though obviously they expected at one point that it would (as evidenced by that leaked memo), they didn't have to issue a public retraction and suffer the resulting embarrassment. The more times they have to do that, the lower the regard people have for the company, and they can see the effect in the customer defection rate. In the case of the Blackberry, the upside of the good publicity of bringing out a hot new model was worth the risk of a delay; for an HTC product, the minuscule impact of an early announcement made it a no-brainer tradeoff against the possibility of schedule slips.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] clitcommander:
Just living in the VI would make me feel better.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] btprice2001:
I think you have to keep the plan until the rebate is processed and/or received, so probably 2 months or so.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Bad Ash:
This is the clearest picture of the keyboard I have seen. Liking the SMS, IM, and number keys... much better than the Sprint version. IMO.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Yeah, that's the one. Sometimes I hit the MediaNet key when going for the space bar, but that's mainly from me being retarded and unfamiliar with it rather than the design being flawed.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jblakk:
Just hear from someone I know at at&t and this is what she said about it.

With any luck we will start seeing them released soon!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] fredinco:
A little bit more on the arrival

I finally got a store (Denver) that tells me that they have started receiving marketing information for the Fuze. Displays, price tags etc. I have not heard anyone say that a store received these before. Does anyone have a guess how long the phone falls behind the marketing info.?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Phantisy:
From what I know its usually only days maybe a week..... But don't take my word for it. No one knows until they have them in stock.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] clitcommander:
Did you ask the store that same question? My guess would be "soon".
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] newsflash40:
Yesterday's news. See Post 993 a few of pages back.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Scoop3:
I called the Lynnwood, Washington ATT store. (425) 670-1288 and I believe I talked w/ Michelle. She knew immediately what I was talking about, and w/o me asking, told me they release on the 4th. I asked if they'd have 'em in stock on that day, and she said yes.... so.. yeah :D
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Well, there's 3 days for us to find out if it's coming with the Bold or not. We shall see...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] beachboyde:
The rebate will take 2 months to get and if like me forgot I was getting it, like with the Tilt. However, I just don't understand some people. If you want the phone what is the sense of rebate or not. I'm not rich by any means. However, I have a line not being used at this time as I have 5 total with ATT. I left Verizon after 13 years to have the Iphone, my mistake, but my partner loves it and usually goes to bed with it by the side. LOL but I for one want this phone and if I'm happy with it, I'll sell my Tilt on Craigs List as I've done with my Iphone and Moto Q, recap what I can and be giddy with my Fuze. However, The Fuze will really have to live up to the hype to give up my Tilt. I love the Tilt, and with all the Outstanding work down by our Firends here on XDA we can have a new phone everyday if we want. <wink>. However. point is if you want it and work everyday, then just go get it.

ps. Can't wait to Tuesday, get to Vote and get my Fuze.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] BarateaU:
Over 1000 post about a cheap rapheal?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
or a US3G raphael. better way to look at it. cheap helps too though :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] BuickMackane:
First Post

Hi, I'm a total newbie and this is my first post.

I purchased my phone as a Cingular 8525 in April 2007. It has been extremely reliable, so I didn't see the point in upgrading to a Tilt when it came out. I read various forums and observed that a lot of people were posting negative experiences with their upgrades to the Tilt. Now I'm upset that HTC has decided not to do a Windows Mobile 6.1 upgrade for my phone. I feel like this is planned obsolescence and now I'm going to have to start shopping even though the 8525 is still doing a great job.

So, like the rest of you, I'm watching and waiting for the Fuze, too. I went to a store in Pineville, Louisiana this morning and they told me that the release date has been pushed back to November 24th. I thought I should stop lurking and share that with you.

I use my phone very little for voice calls and primarily for internet browsing and internet sharing. I travel a lot and often tether my 8525 to a laptop or a PC (it's been a great backup feature for when the cable goes out at home). For those of you who have actually gotten your hands on a Fuze, I'd like to know whether you've used the phone as a tethering device and if you think the Fuze will be a good choice for someone with my type of usage. Thanks!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] petard:
Just go to the Hermes (8525) section of this forum if you want WM6.1 on your 8525.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] bpm2000:
sweeet. I was going to wait til thxgiving to see if they were gonna do any deals but i might just jump already.

I have 30 days to return it right? If it turns out there IS a black friday deal can i return it and re-buy it for the cheaper price that day?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
you wont need to return rebuy they should just change the price for you
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Weststar:
Good question. I would like to know as well.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Tethering's easy, in the settings you find an option for internet sharing or something like that, choose bluetooth or USB, check "on", and it's set. As for 6.1 not coming to the 8525, why would they spend extra money on resources for a phone that's 2 models ago? It wouldn't be very cost effective.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] dontdo_that:
thanks for the follow-up scoop!

i just called this store and spoke to another sales representative. They knew exactly what it was and said that it was expected Nov 4th and that they should have them in stock but there are no guarantees of delivery nov 4th. Nonetheless its good to actually talk to an AT&T store that knows what it is. The rep actually put me on hold to see if they got any in stock early! Sounds like you guys in the Lynnwood, Washington area have a decent local shop with knowledgeable reps. :D

Nov 4th will be a great day.. voting and possibly att fuze!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
i just called too and the girl immediately said nov. 4th and i asked if it was official she said yeah. but how come no other stores seem to know this?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Haha well, she's wrong in saying it's official because it's not official until AT&T announces it. She may be right, and it may be internally confirmed, but it is NOT an official release date no matter what the rep tells you.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sublevel:
The fuze is scheduled to release the same day as the Blackberry Bold, Nov 4th.

I just received my final build model Thursday Oct 30th and it is a fantastic device. Touchflo 3D really makes WM 6.1 more useable.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] BBM-Lee:
Yeah been calling around... sounds like the 4th... maybe >.>
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] asingic:
anyone that has the fuze already ... can you comment on the tethering speed? I already have the tethering option on my bjII, just curious if anyone has tried it.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] gatordent:
I use Wifi Router, and the speed is great... faster than on the device, between 500k - 1mb /s download almost as good as my broadband at home :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] rhaas12321:
Nov. 10

A good ol' Southern Oregon Girl (AT&T rep) went in the back, came out and said it will be anounced on the 10th, available...sometime after that.

I said I want it NOW and she said I could probably get one on the black market!

I continue to wait...........
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] wmm:
Great to hear! Did it come in the actual retail packaging? If so, can you give a definitive statement of what's included in the box? TIA.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] asingic:
ur talking wifi? I meant the 3g tethered to my laptop. on the BJII I"m at 720DL.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] VocaB:
okay ive been reading this thread forever now...and

I CANT TAKE IT ANYMOREEE!!!!

hate waiting
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] BuickMackane:
Right, that's my reason for asking about tethering, too. I want to be sure that the Fuze would be as reliable a workhorse for tethering as my 8525 has been. I don't use Bluetooth at all. I use Wi-Fi only when I'm away from home and want to jump onto something faster than the Edge network (I'm in central Louisiana, no 3G here). I use internet sharing for my laptop when I'm traveling, or my home PC when the cable's out. Thanks for answering my newbie questions!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] RRHelly:
I think he is talking about the app that turns the phones into a wifi router, using the 3G network. aka you would connect your laptop to your phone via wifi, instead of a usb cable or bluetooth. I have played with the app in the past, it is pretty nice.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] CalifornIyay:
Hey Guys,

I just went to the att wireless premier store and type fuze in the search and found the Mail-in rebate info. Its starting to look better now and sooner then we expected.

Check it out...

Link: http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-ph...oductCatalog/MIR_110108_NAT_50_Slate_C530.pdf
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Bad Ash:
Good find... can only hope Tuesday is really the day... we will find out soon enough.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
Woo Hoo! I have officially jumped on the boat of those that think it will be released Nov 4. Screw the elections! I'll be waiting for the fuze! :rolleyes:
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] BBM-Lee:
i'll be in line for the fuze when stores open...

then i'll install cabs and play while i wait in line to vote!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
Okay. I'm in the boat, but I'm not that desperate lawl. I'd probably go there after school or something. Around 5pm.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
i already voted . absentee!! :)

and my 8525 will love me if i finally let it retire and die its awful death as its been doing for months now and fuze here i come! huzzah!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] CalifornIyay:
But the only thing thats kind of confusing.... why when I type Bold I get a dedicated page for the BB Bold which shows the phone with info and says "coming soon" but nothing on the Fuze? :confused:

Could it be possible the only reason why att does not advertise the Fuse because Sprint came out with it first, so technically the HTC Touch Pro is better known as the Sprint phone (Legal Matters)?

I guess every cell phone provider has their own phone like T-Mobile with the G1, Verizon with the BB Storm, At&t with the iPhone, Sprint with the Touch Diamond / Touch Pro and so on...

If so then this phone is coming out with the Bold on the 4th.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] wldcrd1088:
"Fuze" official as HTC P4600

Kfow34 over at the att wireless forum http://forums.wireless.att.com/cng/board/message?board.id=cingular&view=by_date_ascending&message.id=105639#M105639 just posted a search for fuze results in information on ATT's website for the fuze, named here as the HTC P4600, in regards to mail-in rebates. OFFICIAL LAUNCH SOON??
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
The same page was put up a month ago, and everyone was asking the same thing... "OFFICIAL LAUNCH SOON?"

And you'll get the same answer.

MAYBE. :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] whatledog:
You have school that day? My son has it off. (In fact, {OT, I know}, he's going to work at polling place all day for community service for school!).

Looks like things are heating up on the fuze:D
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] asingic:
oh crap that is cool....

I havent read up on that yet

whats the name of the app or is it on the phone already?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] wmm:
No, actually, that's a different page. The earlier one was a listing of their various PDA (or maybe WM, I forget) phones, with a long marketingese description of the Fuze. This one gives the requirements for rebates and just lists the Fuze along with a bunch of other phones. This goes along with the mention a couple of times earlier in this thread that the Fuze was listed in the November 2 rebate list -- this is that list, and now it's online on the public AT&T site. That is a definitely step forward: the first time, I think, that AT&T has intentionally publicly acknowledged that they would be selling the Fuze (I'm not counting the earlier inadvertent postings you mentioned).

However, I agree with your caution: the fact that they've said there will be a rebate sheds very little light on the date of availability. I do think it will probably be either this week or next, though, and I'm certainly hoping for this Tuesday.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] zellbz:
The app that ur lookin for iz called wmwifirouter and iz currently available 4 dl to ur winmo device
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] txmcse01:
TP as Wifi access point

I would like to know more about this as well. I want to way to share my 3G data connection with more than 1 PC. Please post the name of the app you know about.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] RRHelly:
google wmwifirouter. It should bring up the commercial site. There is a trail you can dl and play with.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
Now, I'm not quite so sure anymore lol. I'll have to check, but I'm pretty sure I do have school that day. :(
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Bad Ash:
Not that it matters much to any of us but the Sprint version was put up on their site today... Come on AT&T... don't let us down Tuesday... :rolleyes:
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] icewhitenewyear:
If you do a search on ATT's Website for "Fuze" it pops up under 2 different pages... but when you look at the pages the information on the phone isnt there.

So i think they are getting ready for the launch! =D
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] intothevoid:
I just called about 8 AT&T stores in my area which includes Manhattan and Queens. 6 of them told me its not coming out on the 4th and they don't have a specific date yet. 1 said its not coming out on the 4th but should be out before xmas. 1 didn't know what it was and when it was coming out.

My hopes for the 4th just went down the drain. :(
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] c0nn0rxx:
Dates are all over the place, will just have to wait and see. November 4th seems most prominent because of the Bold release and many retail workers saying the 4th. Patience :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
False, they announced it would be coming in Q4 '08 but gave no more details.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Bad Ash:
False, he was correct, they did give more info...

http://www.wmexperts.com/articles/att_fuze_briefly_makes_an_appe.html

Ah, info on a release date? If so there was a internal document floating around stating Nov. 4th for the Fuze. Saw that on BGR.

I say everyone needs to just relax a bit... I know it's hard... and just wait to see what Tuesday brings us.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
I was just saying that they have publicly acknowledged the Fuze in the past.

http://www.mobiledia.com/news/67507.html
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] wmm:
I guess I must have missed that amidst all the rumors and speculation. Nevertheless, it doesn't affect the point I was making, which was that having the Fuze listed on their rebate sheet is a step forward in their public acknowledgment of the phone and is a good indication that release is imminent.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Alucard_11:
well with only a day away...the wait cant get any worse :(

I have a question for those lucky FUZE owners...

How does the Voicemail work?

I currently have an iPhone and so im used to the Visual Voicemail type of thing. How do u listen to ur voicemail messages on the FUZE? is it visual? or would u have to call a number and do it Old school???
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mtlChris:
If the fuze is actually gonna drop on tuesday, shouldnt we see an official announcement from att tomorrow? bc isnt that what they did with the tilt, an official announcement the day before its release
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ghost13:
MAYBE their wating for sony to announce the X1 tom and att will announce the FUZE!!!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Bad Ash:
You will have to call AT&T to have them change your plan to a normal PDA plan. I got a Treo Pro and the iPhone 3g currently. Just had them change the plan and that removes visual voicemail. So if you plan on keeping your iPhone, that is the only feature you will lose.

If you decide you want to keep visual voicemail, that is fine also. Just leave your plan alone. But every time you get a voice mail on Fuze you will get a text message. The iPhone's visual voice mail uses data.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] WhoIsClu:
does anyone know how on it takes for amazon to process and offer the device discount?

im thinking its less than a week because the Epix was on the site for $99 within a week.

this is pretty much the best option for me since im not really going to change my plan and im already on a month to month basis with them.

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-EPIX-i907-Smartphone-Black/dp/B001IKKIKS/
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] filburt1:
This actually brings up a question for me: I have an iPhone as well (first generation) with the iPhone data plan. If I just take my SIM out of the iPhone and put it into the HTC Touch Pro, will it use 3G networks where available automatically at no extra cost, would it refuse to join a 3G network, or would I have to pay a ridiculous price per KB for 3G usage?

I know that for the most part, data is data as far as AT&T is concerned, but the iPhone is always unique in how things are handled service-wise.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Bad Ash:
If you pull your sim out of the 1st gen iPhone it should say 3g on it. You should be good to go. I used to swap my sim back and forth from a iPhone to a Tilt with no issues and 3g worked fine.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] filburt1:
Yes, it has the little 3G fireball logo on it; thanks.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Alucard_11:
I dont think this answer my original questions...

i Want to know if there is a Visual Voicemail screen on the FUZE?

If i get a Voicemail, how does The fuze let u know that u have one? You get a Text Message? and then you have to CALL the number for voicemail and listen to it after going thru some operator menus?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Bad Ash:
No there is no visual voice mail on the Fuze. Hope this clears it up for you. Voice mail works just like every other Windows Mobile phone out there.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] gelasmus:
Another option would be to use www.youmail.com.

Been using it for >6 months and no issues.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
i just checked that out

the only winmo option they have is the tilt and i cant get it workin on my 8525. anyone managed to?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Alucard_11:
yea i looked at it too

and it seems free to me...is that true? hmm

i need the Fuze so i can try this! lol
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] bigb252:
Yea, I had YouMail for a while now, and its GREAT! I haven't looked back to the boring AT&T Voicemail since. I gave my frequent callers their own greeting so they feel special :)

It even alerts me to when someone called and hung up, without leaving a VM (good when your phone is off and you want to know who called you).

Worked great with my Tilt when I had one.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ghost13:
it just seems shady in a way like they can hear all of your voicemails or something. like they say if it seems to good to be true its b/c it is!!! i wonder if your info goes to tella marketers or something... i hope fuze and x1 both announced tom!!!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] baboola:
it's not just amazon...AT&T has been offering 99 with a new contract plan since the phone rolled out.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] baboola:
Is 1st gen iPhone using the same data plan as the 3G PDA phones? Cuz if that's the case, it totally pays to be a 1st gen iPhone user. The plan works out cheaper!! Except they're not eligible for corporate discounts.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sdlopez83:
I guess one would have to read the terms of services...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] WhoIsClu:
its listed as 199 on their site, with a rebate

and usually amazon starts to provide even better discounts.

the tilt is only -$49.99

(thats right *negative* $49.99)

i wonder how long until they start to offer additional rebates?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] slyng1:
Searched for "Fuze" on AT&T website and 37 results come up (although it looks like the same result 37 times!). Is that a good thing? I hope so - waiting is killing me.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
yeah its the rebate card that pops up
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] WhoIsClu:
it switches to 33 about every 5 refreshes lol
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] johndango:
I went in to the big Redmond ATT store and they told me that the ATT stores in general will not receive any Fuze's until the week after next.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] slyng1:
You think Best Buy will have them?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] baboola:
you're right, I could've sworn I saw it for 99 when it first came out...or maybe my memory is failing me. 1 is a very frail digit that's easily forgotten :D
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] alexmullins:
no you were right. it was priced at $99 the first day the had it up on the att website. it was a mistake though on att's part and the changed the price to $199 instead.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
best buy will most likely not get it til earliest the begining of next month

i work in BBYM and sprint is the only carrier that we usually get on launch day. htc phones especially dont sell well for BB and many get returned cause dumb moms buy them thinking they will understand them so BB is hesitant to sell them at all. it sucks though cause the price is always much cheaper and no rebates to worry bout
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] adonishui:
Youtube

Does anyone know if the Fuze has a pre-installed Youtube program like the one on the Sprint Touch Pro? I have seen somewhere on this forum that AT&T is taking that out and replacing it with their AT&T CV service.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
I know right. I'm deciding on waiting a bit so even if it comes out at the beginning of December at best buy, I'll be able to get it. I know they always have the better deal. But still, I think the black friday deal will be pretty good :D

Yeah. The HTC Diamond Youtube is in the Dev & Hacking section. If you search it, you'll find it.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ilikepu:
i hope not but if they do take it it out you will be able to install the cab to have it again i have the cab file working on my wing
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] asadkhan1988:
idk about my fellow posters, but if i can find a tp for around 600 i will most definitely grab that before a fuze. Fuze w/o contract=>500. We'll see.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
Why don't you wait for a fuze? I'll sell you the fuze for $400-$450 depending on what the actual contract price is vs the retail price. That'll be $150-$200 cheaper then the TP? You'd want that wouldn't you? lol.