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[XPERIA X1 General] dbond45:
I know a lot of us have been wondering, debating, anticipating whether the X1i will support both U.S. 3G bands. There has even been hope with the awesome reviews/wealth of info posted by BengalBoy on his site. His latest commercial proto X1i shows 5 UMTS BANDS! I almost fell over when I saw that. Could the X1i really have penta-band? I would rather have the X1i over the X1a if possible due to the 30fps recording, etc...

Up to this point the Sony Website for the UK says yes to 5 bands...

However, as mentioned by X1rocks on BB's site, a Swede, "Vigge" over on the Inxperia forums posted the band info listed on his retail X1i box recently...

Here it is:

*On the box: GSM 850/900/1800/1900 & UMTS eu1/us2/eu8

That means UMTS 900/1900/2100! :confused:

Damn!

Even though BB has 5 UMTS options on his phone, it could simply be "options" that don't have any hardware backup like some people mentioned with the UK Touch Pro...

Sadly, I'm leaning towards the possibility that the X1i will only have 3 UMTS bands, 2 for EU, 1 for U.S. Might have to cancel my order with Clove if this gets enough confirmation...

Any thoughts?

update

Pretty much confirmed that X1i has 1900 UMTS only. Thanks everyone for the replies...
[XPERIA X1 General] fhsieh:
Yes you are correct. The whitepapers have indicated the X1i will have UMTS 900/1900/2100 and Qualcomm 7200A for 30fps recording, while the X1a will have UMTS 850/1900/2100 and Qualcomm 7201A for 24fps recording.

Software options should be taken with a huge grain of salt, as you correctly note with the UK Touch Pro. AFAIK there is no proof that any single model of the X1 will support 5 UMTS bands in the radio, so it is very difficult to make that assumption right now.
[XPERIA X1 General] dbond45:
In that case, it's crappy news for U.S. users, especially since the X1a likely won't make it's way into the States until early '09.

Damn UMTS bands.... I suppose sharing something common with the rest of the world would be too much to ask for... :cool:

Finally nixed my order with Clove this morning...
[XPERIA X1 General] Raspster:
So in short, the version that is coming to Clove next week will NOT have 3g in the USA..?
[XPERIA X1 General] dbond45:
That's what I'm wondering... Sent them an e-mail yesterday to confirm that there will be no 850 3G... Still have not heard back... This is absurd... I cannot understand how definitive specs have not been posted. Most Swedish users report no 850 3G present, but, some UK stores say that it will have 850 3G present. I'm confused, tired, and hungry. Damn you X1!

:rolleyes:
[XPERIA X1 General] OdieS:
My Vodafone (UK) X1 handset has the following band options under phone settings:

The band options on my Vodafone X1 are:

GSM(900+1800)+UMTS(2100+900)

GSM(1900+850)+UMTS(1900+850)

UMTS(2100+800)

Hope this helps.
[XPERIA X1 General] Pinguino1:
Yes!!!! It Works With At&t. Period

YES!!!!!!!!!!!

It works in USA with AT&T 3G!!!!!!!!

THANKS!
[XPERIA X1 General] cyberblue:
I've been torn between X1 and Fuze, and this might be a significant decision point -- I really want to believe this but can we safely assume the presence of US 3G bands in the band options guarantees that the hardware itself supports it? or when you activate it in US it would just throw an error?

Edit: changed "Touch Pro" to "Fuze" - TP might not have US 3g hardware
[XPERIA X1 General] dbond45:
Oh man, I'm still confused as hell and SO badly want to order the damn X1i from the UK

Like I said, Swedish users are saying 900/1900/2100 3G

UK shops and users are saying there is a 850mhz option, BUT, could it simply be an option that when selected leads to a network error like some other users have suggested?? Some other HTC phones have this option...

:eek:

WTF??!!! Why so much confusion...
[XPERIA X1 General] dbond45:
"Software options should be taken with a huge grain of salt, as you correctly note with the UK Touch Pro."

This is what I mean when I say the 850/1900 UMTS option could be software only, as fhseih mentioned...
[XPERIA X1 General] mlinz:
There is no 850MHZ on the X1i, period. Get over it. So..NO the X1i will not work with At&t 3G in the USA or any other GSM provider in the USA on their 3G networks i.e. T-mobile. Edge will work just fine, so you can do everything, but surf the internet super fast and likely GPS will be slow too.....wait a week until we hear the X1a annoucements.
[XPERIA X1 General] dbond45:
Actually, the X1i will work on AT&T 3G via 1900mhz.

However, I did get an e-mail from Clove (seemingly) confirming that the X1i will not have the 850mhz 3G option.

So there you go. If you want 850 UMTS just to be safe that you will get the ultimate 3G performance in the U.S. wait for the X1a like me...

;)
[XPERIA X1 General] artesea:
This is the sticker on the side of my box. Have no idea what the UMTS US2 is, but I'm sure it'll mean something to those in America.
[XPERIA X1 General] dbond45:
Artesea,

Thanks for posting that..

As I already was told, that means the X1i has UMTS 1900, but not 850, as I thought..

So, at this point, it would seem, it is confirmed...
[XPERIA X1 General] Pinguino1:
Wrong! AT&T 3G works mostly over UMTS 1900.

The coverage map the 850 overlaps in most places with 1900

I'm in New York here ATT have both 850/1900 and G3

IMPORTANT: No all areas with 1900 have 3G. If you are close to metropolitan areas you might be lucky. Check this map. or go to AT&T site and check coverage locally.

http://cellularmap.net/att_850_1900.shtml
[XPERIA X1 General] netnerd:
get fieldtest.exe to check if ATT has 1900umts 3G in your area! most htc phones should have fieldtest.exe in /windows folder.
[XPERIA X1 General] SCtud:
Yes, but wait for the US version and you also get crappy video recording and have to wait an eternity to get it.

I'm hoping the 1900 3G is reliable in my area. Damn them - why couldn't they do pentaband 3G.
[XPERIA X1 General] Pinguino1:
Because the lawsuit is only in NA
[XPERIA X1 General] mlinz:
I understand that most of At&t's original "3g" network is 1900mhz, this however doesn't mean much to most people and if you are expecting speeds to be faster using 1900mhz over 850mhz EDGE/2G you are mistaken. In many cases they are very similar..

1900mhz provides a larger coverage area with fewer towers, this results in slower speeds and weak penetration. Meaning you will have more trouble getting signal indoors and if you have good signal don't expect much speed increase over Edge.

850mhz is shorter range and higher penetration, this offers the 3G speeds most people would expect and good reception indoors. The problem is coverage area is smaller so if you need to be closer to towers for good service. Metro areas have large clusters of towers so signal is usually better, but if its only 1900mhz its still going to be slower. This is the main issue with iphone 3G in the USA and reportedly bad speeds. It runs specifically on 1900mhz frequency for 3G. The reason 850 coverage is less is because their Edge/2G is specifically 850mhz so replacing towers with 3G specific ones kills phones with out 3G radios equipped for the band.

The reason I am saying it "doesn't work" is because for true 3G signal/speed etc you want a combination of 850mhz and 1900mhz..or solid 850 coverage..most areas don't have this yet. In my case I live in a City with solid 850mhz and 1900mhz coverage. So 3G on 1900mhz isn't horrible, its no where near as good as 850MHZ 3G in the same building.
[XPERIA X1 General] bloob:
Would these help?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM_frequency_bands

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands
[XPERIA X1 General] turnstar:
Forgive me if this has been asked and answered, but I read the whole thread and did not see this info.

I understand that the X1i as is cannot receive the 3G 850 signal, but is this a software limitation or hardware? If it is software, does that mean that someone could potentially devise a way to make the X1i accept the 850 signal? If so would that be by cooking the radio? or the ROM?
[OnePlus 9 Pro] vaishnav 2011:
can any one say how to root oneplus 9
[OnePlus 9 Pro] vaishnav 2011:
i dont now

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[OnePlus 9 Pro] hallo dare:
Hard to know if you're being serious or just taking the pi$$.

https://xdaforums.com/t/guide-magisk-unlock-root-keep-root-oos-11-2-9-9.4252373/unread
[OnePlus 9 Pro] rezuislam:
I don't like to root phone. :p
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] Libyano69:
hello.guys,,, I just rooted my device and root and everything is working good except that internal storage was 128gb but now after is only 32gb..anyone can share a solution please ?
[ASUS ROG Phone 3 Questions & Answers] arunwr:
rog phone 3 flash rom using fastboot failed remote flashing not allowed for critical partitions,and in twrp I can't check on system and few other partitionView attachment 5447085
[ASUS ROG Phone 3 Questions & Answers] Lomenhal:
same error for me. any solutions?
[Introductions] satyaprakashusa:
Amazing to be part of this community, I discover here so many things here, No Doubt gain Knowledge, Nice to connect with you all.
[Introductions] orb3000:
Hello and welcome.to XDA!
[Samsung Galaxy S10+ Questions & Answers] dsptech:
Just received a used Galaxy s10 that I bought in hopes of rooting and installing a custom rom.

Phone has the March 1, 2021 security updates installed so am I screwed?
[General Questions and Answers] NullCode:
So I have a j2xlte [SpreadTrum SC8830]. I'm interested in getting a custom kernel ready for it (the one on github is very broken)

After waiting for Samsung to give us the kernel and cherry-picking some commits: here's the current source

https://github.com/J2xlteDev/android_kernel_j2xlte/commits/working

Now I want to have upstream changes, like remilia has in their kernel

But after spreadtrum got renamed to Unisoc, it's really hard to find any information on it.

Can someone give the Spreadtrum common kernel repo or something? Would be cool
[General Questions and Answers] NullCode:
figured it out, just needed to clone upstream kernel source and cherry-pick some commits
[General Questions and Answers] Stephen:
Moderator Information,

Thread has been closed at OP's request.
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] andrea.ippo:
I've got myself a new P6P and basically since day one, every night or every other night it would lose something like 15 to 25%. This is over roughly an 8hours sleep.

Device is connected to WiFi and always on display is disabled.

Gram battery graphs look scary, like Oreo times scary.

Is anyone else experiencing anything similar, or is it just me?

Hibernation while screen off seems totally off at 27% of the time (should usually sit around 90% unless for example streaming or downloading stuff with screen off).

My previous P5 would do considerably better, with an almost flat graph in the same test conditions.

Thanks!
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] andrea.ippo:
And the most frustrating about all this, is that in 2021 Google still can't provide us an easy way to figure out what's wrong.

Over several iterations they've promised we wouldn't have to deal with crap like this ever again (Doze, Doze on the go), but ultimately when it happens, users have no clue.

I'll have to install battery historian once more. I thought I was done with this crap.
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] andrea.ippo:
P.s. I'm of course very interested to know what YOUR numbers look like in similar conditions. Thanks!
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] rav101:
Hey,

I was having a similar issue on my P6Pro with high idle drain (about 1.8% to 2% per hour) using AccuBattery Pro to measure over the last week (got my device last Tuesday).

I just rooted last night so effectively did a fresh install on the November firmware. I turned off AOD, Digital Wellbeing and Lift to Wake as part of this.

I haven't really used root to prohibit anything I couldn't have done without root (yet) and last night used EXKM to track stats.

Over 7 hours I only lost 2% battery and had idle drain of 0.28% per hour which is much much better.

You've already said AOD is off but not sure about Digital Wellbeing. I'm not sure if the factory reset and setting up straight on November firmware helped the situation but might be worth a go?
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] PhilipL2021:
I quite agree. Everytime I get a new device (have usually been from Google), I have to start off troubleshooting battery drain and installing other apps to do it.

Android 12 has light doze now, so after just a few minutes it will stop apps accessing the network, and force apps that need to get some data every few minutes or so, to all queue their requests for the next maintenance window, so this should very quickly after the screen is off, allow the phone CPU to enter deep sleep for most of the time, i.e. nothing is running in Android until the next maintanence slot.

What is likely happening is there is a wakelock stopping the deep sleep from happening, and Andriod remains running doing very little, keeping the CPU awake ticking over at 300MHz.

To test this theory install CPU Spy https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bvalosek.cpuspy&hl=en_GB&gl=US Have a look at the stats, has the phone entered deepsleep and what is the percentage of deep sleep? Overnight the phone really should be able to get at least 80% deep sleep as no one is using it (I've seen 95% on tablets and my Pixel 2 XL overnight).

To run a quick test, reset the stats, and let the phone sit for 30 minutes or so without being used, then go back to app (will need to use Refresh to get the latest totals) and see what percentage you get of deep sleep.

If you find the phone is going into deep sleep okay and overnight is 80% or more of deep sleep, then that isn't the cause of your battery drain, and it is likely caused by either the modem flapping or constantly trying to register with a cell tower, or perhaps Wi-Fi. So your next test is airplane mode overnight.

My overnight losses are around 5% at the moment, I'm only on Wi-Fi overnight, the mobile network is off as I get next to no signal.
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] rosso22:
Mine dropped 20% in 8hrs over night, seems a bit excessive.
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] andrea.ippo:
:D

I'm super paranoid about this stuff, and so since I knew that an OTA was in the pipe when I received it, I just skipped the first time setup to go straight to System Update and install the OTA :D

Then I factory reset, and only THEN I set it up properly with my Google account etc.

So I guess this answers your question :)

Digital Wellbeing is on for me tho (lift to wake is also off, as it tap to wake - although there's the bug, I think, which would still enable the screen in B/W mode when phone is lifted).

2% in 7 hours is awesome, that's what I'm aiming for, but I'm really not willing to root :(

I guess I will re-factory reset and maybe installing apps in batches, instead of all in one go...

EDIT: just re-read your post and you said you haven't made any of the root-enabled modifications yet, so even more call me amazed. I guess I'll also try disabling Wellbeing at this point...
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] andrea.ippo:
It is, especially if you consider that it's 1000mAh.

A Pixel 2 XL dropping by, say, 10% (which is still much higher than what I used to get), means a consumption of 352mAh.

In terms of efficiency, a crappy P2XL performace is still thrice as efficient as what we're seeing here on the P6Pro (and ideally tech should move forward and become MORE, not less, efficient...)
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] rav101:
Yeah,

In terms of root, I hadn't done anything with root until this morning really so there shouldn't be anything affecting my idle drain figures that you wouldn't be able to do without root.

Otherwise, try turning off all digital wellbeing features (bedtime mode, timers and focus mode) and remove permissions to digital wellbeing and then clear data. Try that for a few days and see how that has an impact.
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] Shipoftheline:
I've noticed the same issues, I would normally have my phone switch off over and and switch on but this doesn't seem to have that option
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] PhilipL2021:
Quite agree with you there, my Pixel 2 XL often goes 5 or 6 days without needing to be charged, although to be fair I'm working from home and it gets little use during those days and only on Wi-Fi for most of it. so not typical usage. I don't think the Pixel 6 Pro will go as long, in theory with exactly the same usage it should go for longer as larger battery and newer chips sipping less power, certainly when doing little in standby.

Too early to tell if the Pixel 6 Pro can better 5 or 6 days as I've been playing with it a lot more, but in theory it should without question, so something is seriously wrong it it can't.

As for the Pixel 2 XL, I dip into it now and again, and the one thing I'm missing on the Android 12 is not getting true black, why have they made black dark grey on all the setting pages etc? Why reduce contrast? I'd love to be in those design meetings just to see what rubbish they come up with to justify some of these changes.
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] andrea.ippo:
IIRC full black will cause smearing while scrolling. And the display of the P2XL was, let's say it, crap.
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] PhilipL2021:
The Pixel 2 XL display looks absolutely fine to me, and I have never seen any smearing when scrolling. When we had LCD everyone was raving about OLED having true blacks, and everyone wanting a dark mode, now in many places in the UI it looks worse then most LCD panels for contrast. So its now fashionable to have artificially lowered contrast.

Android 12 DP2: Dark theme on Pixel gets even lighter

Android 12 has tweaked dark mode again in its second developer preview to make it even lighter than the previous release.

9to5google.com

Google, give us the option to change it back, it is suppose to be Material You so we can go back to customising again (like we once had), but it seems the only options now are washed out pastels.
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] spr33:
Can you monitor with BetterBatteryStats or similar now you have root to see if there's anything in particular using the phone during idle?
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] Zorachus:
How do I turn off Digital Wellbeing?
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] rav101:
I can but from what I heard in one of the TG groups today, BBS isn't working properly due to changes in Android 12.

Go to settings, Digital Wellbeing and turn off all the options if you turned any of them on. Go to Settings, Apps and then find digital wellbeing and remove all permissions, then within that section also wipe data for Digital Wellbeing. That pretty much resets it back to stock. Without root, you can't freeze the app or remove it but this should be good enough.
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] spr33:
Ah, damn.

Guess it'll be 'top' or 'htop' in terminal then for now.
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] ggrant3876:
Mine lost about 7% overnight last night. I've read on this forum that they aren't sleeping well. With two adb commands I installed Nap Time by Francisco Franco and it seem to be going into a deep sleep when not being used now.
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] PhilipL2021:
I've got NapTime as well. The trouble is light and deep doze is just the Android OS restricting what apps do and forcing them into maintenance schedules so things are done in batches. So its an app thing rather than a low level forcing of the phones CPU to sleep, so even in light or deep doze it doesn't guarantee that Android has been halted and the CPU is in sleep, that is another thing step. It should make Android more likely to suspend and the CPU to go to sleep if Apps aren't allowed to chatter over the network, but deep doze doesn't guarantee the phone has gone into standby.

Other things can prevent the device from truly suspending and putting the CPU into sleep mode, so other things may be happening, it might not be an app issue.

To check how long the CPU is in deep sleep (essentially the phone is off and Android is suspended and is what we need to see so top battery drain overnight) CPU Spy can show you that, currently mine is showing 82% deep sleep overall. When you see a low percentage of deep sleep and high percentage at 300Mhz, then something is stopping the phone for sleeping, so it is kept awake doing little so idles constantly at the lowest CPU clock speed, but this still uses quite a bit of power compared to deep sleep.
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] nighthawk626:
The age old question for those of you having battery drains, Did you turn off wifi scanning?
[Google Pixel 6] stephanstricker:
Hi,

I am using fingerprint sensor and smart unlock but several times a day and every morning the phone is manually locked and I have to enter my pin again. Is there a setting I am missing here?
[Google Pixel 6] originali:
same here. also it keeps asking pin through the day!

also I'd appreciate if I won't need to confirm pin once is entered correctly (just numbers then unlock instantly)
[Google Pixel 6] mang0:
Is it that your phone is rebooting? There have been people reporting random reboots with their devices ..
[Google Pixel 6] stephanstricker:
Thats true, the extra confirming is annoying as hell...I think smart lock introduced this issue, so I will try to turn it off for now...
[Google Pixel 6] stephanstricker:
I have not noticed any reboots yet but I dont think that the problem. I still see notifications on the lock screen. I believe that would not be the case if the phone rebooted.
[Google Pixel 6] Tool Belt:
Smart lock relocks after 4 hours of inactivity and apparently defaults to PIN or Pattern, not FP.
[Google Pixel 6] stephanstricker:
That explains it, but it is not smart at all :-/
[Google Pixel 6] RichPA:
Doesn't seem to matter whether it's active or inactive. It seems to re-lock and require a PIN every 4 hours.

Extremely annoying. SmartLock on my Samsung phone didn't behave like that.
[Google Pixel 6] stephanstricker:
Disabling smart lock fixed it for me, make sure are smart lock triggers are gone
[Google Pixel 6] Tool Belt:
So now it is always locked and the FP is the default? I like having it unlocked at Trusted Places for 4 hours better.
[Google Pixel 6] RichPA:
I might just try this. I used smartlock on my Galaxy s20 FE because the fingerprint sensor was way down at the bottom and was difficult to reach, so I would just press the power button and swipe up on the screen.

However, I discovered with the Pixel 6, that when it's smart locked, if you just touch the fingerprint sensor icon, it turns on the screen and opens the phone. (without it actually triggering the fingerprint sensor) No pressing the power button or swiping required.

So I've started getting into the habit of just pressing the fingerprint icon anyway, even when it's unlocked with smartlock. So, as long as the fingerprint sensor is reliable enough, I don't really need the smart lock. I would be doing the same motion to unlock it with the fingerprint. (Although it will be a little slower and possibly a bit more unreliable)
[Google Pixel 6] RichPA:
Well, I don't think it's smartlock related. I turned off smartlock a half hour ago and used the fingerprint sensor to unlock it several times since then, and then a couple of minutes ago, it forced me to enter the PIN. Almost exactly 4 hours after the last time I had to enter a PIN.
[Google Pixel 6] drmason:
I was wondering exactly the same... it's a weird behavior.
[Google Pixel 6] WibblyW:
I think it may be a 'feature'. A fingerprint is considered somewhat less secure by Google. Ironic, given on a P6 it seems to lock folk out a lot of the time!

Understand fingerprint security - Pixel Phone Help

Your fingerprint data is stored securely and never leaves your Pixel device or Nexus phone. Your fingerprint data isn't shared with Google or any apps on your device. Apps are notified only wheth

support.google.com

As you say, annoying though.
[Google Pixel 6] sic0048:
Did you reboot the phone after changing the smartlock setting? Perhaps the phone has held onto that setting in memory.
[Google Pixel 6] tiantianisfox:
:rolleyes: i am having the same nightmare here. Considering i am wearing gloves most of the time, i need to usesmart unlock. but then every few hours i need to type pin, plus i need to press entre. it really breaks flow here
[Google Pixel 6] JimSmith94:
Smart lock resets every four hours, which requires you to enter your PIN to unlock for another four hours.