yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N1c0_ds:
It's a great idea, but it would need seeders and much, much more code to work. Seeding from a PDA is not an optimal solution, neither.

Still a good idea, just too hard to successfully implement ;)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] juato4:
Only for viewing proporses:
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N1c0_ds:
Wow.

That's pretty much what I'm taking inspiration from. Installing apps from a list is something, but updating, removing and browsing applications from a list is where I'm heading.

If we get a flawless application with support for developers and community-oriented development, we might get just what Windows Mobile needs to stay awesome.

Thanks for the screenshots!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] smotrs:
I've read all the pages, literally all of them and have been following the thread with growing interest.

I must say, these images just posted are very impressive, very clean with a nice look and feel to them. They just flow if that makes sense.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N1c0_ds:
Waitasecond... Where are these pictures from? Did you make them???:eek:
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] smotrs:
No, not me, a couple posts before is where someone posted them. I wish i had thought of them, they are awesome. They were posted by Juato4.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] speed_pour:
Not going to comment on implementation, especially given that I've never seen a very clean open source (or even library) implementation of the bit torrent protocol on WM....but certainly a number of apps will have the authors acting as seeders, and equally, there's going to be many people willing to act as seeders also. While it wouldn't work to have the device seeding, there's always people willing to volunteer a little bandwidth from their desktops in the name of furthering a cause.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N1c0_ds:
Well there's those ~1.5TB of server space that are still unused thanks to many generous donators. And the project was only started in mid-october.

I'll encourage users to host their files whenever they can, but we have room. Lots of room.

There is only one major problem with Gecko now: updates. While there are many ways to get applications automatically updated, I always need to get developers to send their latest release and I havn't seen this happen yet.

I might add an "email" field in the database and email every developer once in a month with the list of their software, the latest version and update instructions. It's possible to make a small application that would do that... later. :rolleyes:
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] YellowGTO:
I would def give up some of my bandwith for torrents. Setup an auto responder. Or you could write a little app and give it to the devs of software and they could upload like that.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] l3v5y:
For the purposes of updating, and removal of updates might it be wise to attempt to create a new installer protocol? Clearly this isn't hugely desirable unless there were to be some way of creating an installer from a cab...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N1c0_ds:
I doubt this can be done easily and efficiently, but an UNINSTALLER is entirely possible if I can figure out how to read the .tmp files that contain the data. SKTools did it (or was it MemMaid?) and its seemed to work well for them. Maybe they would be nice enough to reveal their secret? :rolleyes:

This is one of the last features I'll implement later because it's a lot of work and I try to focus on the main project first.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] kmax12:
progress

I know you releas core 3 awhile ago and have spent time putting the nice site, but what progress have u made since then and when is the next release?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N1c0_ds:
Many, many things were changed, stability was improved, but here is a quick list of the big changes:

-Dynamic resolution support. All resolutions should work now. (lots of work!)

-Error handling (especially when the internet connection is off)

-Smaller top and bottom bars (and only where they're necessary)

-The softkeys bar is back for increased stability.

-Command line arguments (a.k.a. cheat codes)

-Better information page (no more PIE frame!)

-Database updates itself at launch.

-Many changes in how things get done. Controls are now created after the launch as to increase speed.

-More efficient database. Please resubmit your apps.

Coming soon:

-Error handling and reporting (not the Microsoft way)

-Better splash screen

-...

I spent quite some time working on the website and messaging people but I'm still working on Gecko a lot.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] kmax12:
wow!

Wow! all those improvments sound very good.

When can we expect to see a release with these improvments?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N1c0_ds:
Oh I'd say one or two weeks. I'm pretty confident it will be before Christmas unless I decide to add new features. :rolleyes:
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N1c0_ds:
Oh I'd say one or two weeks. I'm pretty confident it will be before Christmas unless I decide to add new features. :rolleyes:

There's only the info page left to work on. The info is loaded and assigned to variables, but they are not shown yet. Dynamically creating new controls at launch (not using a WYSIWYG editor) improves loading speed and assures support for all resolutions, but it's a pain in the a$$.

I'll simply start from scratch with that form to incorporate the new changes. Instead of a PIE frame, the info was divided in 3 pages but it might create problem with 240x240 screens and leave a big empty space on WVGA screens. Now I decided to have a single scrollable page plus another one for screenshots or something like that.

I will also add a "More from..." link to show more applications with the same DevID.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] RubberDucky451:
This looks really promising, thanks :]

I'll test it out and post what i think later.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] ashoooo:
I like the idea. Sign me up if you need any database development.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] :
Pocket Program Manager v 1.4.1

Any of you guys noticed about Pocket Program Manager v 1.4.1

What do you think ?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Driskol:
Hi! If i can help to this proyect, tell me something.

I've leaved u a message in your website telling u i can translate the software to spanish ^^

Many thanks for this awesome project and good luck!

And feel free to email me, i leave u my MSN in the shoutbox :)

bye!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] digitaldon37:
I've added "Pocket Forecast" to Gecko and PPM. Have you thought about joining forces, and/or doing a screen-scrape and using the listing that is on Freewarepocketpc.net?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] yayayay:
I can't wait to get my Touch HD. Totally love the idea behind this app. Keep up the good work!

/R
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N1c0_ds:
Yep, I've talked with the FreewarePocketPC owner and we might cooperate on the database. As for PPM, I talked with the guy a bit and again there is a chance he comes with us.

As for progress, the Core 3.1 cab is coming soon as there is only a few things left to be completed. I'm confident you will be able to try it out before you unwrap your Christmas gifts.

As for developers, at the exception of those who submitted applications from the website form, you will have to submit them again since many changes were made to the database. I'm not taking care of the updates myself so notice me when you update your software.

This means this release -might- have less software listed but will compensate with many new features and a generally faster interface. It will work on devices ranging from square screen to WVGA if everything works right.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Leonick:
You say you will try to cooperate with FreewarePocketPC... thats good.

But you know what, its a longshot and needs some luck, but when this program gets stable and have a solid database, ask some manufacturers to put in the phones, that sure would help windows mobile :p
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N1c0_ds:
Good news!

I sent back my Touch saturday but I'm currently on the line to order a Diamond. I'm suffering without my PPC around, it's terrible!

As for Gecko, things are going well. I'm working with another forum member to fix problems (minor and major) before the public beta release.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Existentialism:
Any idea on a release date yet?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N1c0_ds:
If I keep working at that pace, you should get it before the end of the year. My goal is to release it around Christmas :p
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Existentialism:
Im going to do a countdown. 9 MORE DAYS! :p
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] DarkAngelFR:
depends on the time zone, maybe 10, maybe 8!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N1c0_ds:
Heheh.

This is entirely possible, but I just got the wireless adapter for my Xbox. I havn't played online since halloween so it's tough to keep focus on anything :D

There's also that whole "failing the maths class I need to be allowed in college" thing :( and all those delicious candy canes :p

However with 6 days off before Christmas and the flow of encouragements I get from everyone, I love to keep a few hours to work on the project.

In terms of progress, it's almost ready. I'm retyping the code to fix possible errors, I removed the command line feature for now, I test it and then the second beta is ready to ship! This time, it will only be available to registered users. This is only to avoid having less experienced users try it and abandon it.

I might also post the source on CollabEdit or EtherPad for live editing by anyone with the URL and see how it goes.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] DarkAngelFR:
let's hope it will come soon ;)

as I already told you : if you need someone to quick test/debug before releasing do not hesitate ^^

waiting for THE update............
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] norkoastal:
Ideal I posted in the Raph forum..

Ideal features...

TF 2/3D/Today screen/Programs menu direct access

Download manager similar to Opera

Scrolling features through phone type/sections/apps

Small ad placement = income generation for storage

Recent Updates menu to notify when upgrade is ready

CAB only policy to weed out nasty bugs

XDA mods to police the uploads

Exclusive program list (homepage) which charges developers for front page access. (scrolling banners in predefined format)

Free vs. Pay program areas.

Point system for repeat users. Points = discounts for pay programs.

Thats all I can think of at the moment.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N1c0_ds:
Ideal features...

TF 2/3D/Today screen/Programs menu direct access

I'm not sure I understand

Download manager similar to Opera

I'm thinking about a "mark for installation" feature and a restore feature.

Scrolling features through phone type/sections/apps

That's much harder, but there are a "supported resolutions" and "supported devices" boxes for now. There's still room for change!

Small ad placement = income generation for storage

There's a 218x240 white space I havn't used yet on the main form ;)

Recent Updates menu to notify when upgrade is ready

Checking for updates to applications installed with Gecko is easy (just keep a list), but it will take more efforts for the other software. I could just add a command line argument to "register" applications to the Gecko updater. That would be the REGISTER keyword in the command line :D The updater is not yet implemented but it will work like the updater in Ubuntu.

CAB only policy to weed out nasty bugs

Done. Applications that are listed are first approved.

XDA mods to police the uploads

Only a few trusted people will work with me on this.

Exclusive program list (homepage) which charges developers for front page access. (scrolling banners in predefined format)

Yep, ad revenue FTW! (adsense would be possible)

Free vs. Pay program areas.

I will list shareware applications for a fee (to be determined), but now it's 100% freeware to keep things simple.

Point system for repeat users. Points = discounts for pay programs.

Later. Until now I don't even know how I could track downloads in real time.

Thats all I can think of at the moment.

That's already a lot, thanks![/QUOTE]

I think the best feature for developers and advanced users will be the command line. This will allow to launch Gecko with a specific command and execute actions from other applications. I can think of the following commands (FRWA????? is an AppID and D????? is a DevID):

X-INSTALL FRWA00001 to install (or update if it's already installed) an application.

X-UPDATE FRWA00001 v.1.023 to update an application if a more recent version is available

X-UPDATEDB to update the database

O-RESTORE bob.txt restore all applications listed in Bob.txt

O-MOREFROM D00001 to list applications from the same developer

...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] norkoastal:
Sorry I listed everything out in a Raphael thread and saw this as being the closest solution in Dev/Hack... The note above is about taking Gecko and providing a better "phone experience" than any other software installer gallery available. Think of Cedia or Downloader (IP) strengths as they are "start screen" icon launched programs.. Since most of the XDA users have either TF2D, TF3D, or customized today screens, in order to tap each of these user bases and create a True " accessible/attractive market," different entry points to the tool is the best approach. I for one would like to see an installer as an option for my TF3D icon set. While there is slow progress in getting calendar and stock tabs to TF3D, imagine an entry point to your program. This target makes your tool more universal than any web site offering could have, since your tool can be included on newer ROM upgrades by

Casual users looking for games/programs/skins

Users who are fresh from a ROM update and need to replace stuff they forgot to save on their SD card

Chefs who see your program as an easy way to upload CABs for programs left out of their current builds.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N1c0_ds:
Yep, that's what the command line is about. You can add arguments to a simple .lnk shortcut (like for PIE or Opera linkes) to give Gecko launch commands. This could include opening a different database (while there is only one DB for now) and seeing only certain categories.

Also, PNG files are apparently well supported as long as they don't have alpha channels.

Finally, the icing on the cake, Palm, PALM made an App Store! Those same guys that take years to pump out a slightly modified device now beat us to a new game! So be it, let the competition begin! :D

http://appstore.pocketgear.com/palm/

The bad part is that they already have all the PocketGear apps :eek:
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] EpSlasH:
Hi,

first of all congratulations for the nice idea, and for that hard job you are doing for all the WM users.

I offer my help for this project, plz tell me if i can do something to support and help to this project.

I can host files for example or anything else i am able to do.

Just write to me as an PM or as an email: mail@3p1.de

Best Regards

EpSlasH
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Existentialism:
Approx. 7 More Days!! :D
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] DarkAngelFR:
tic tac... time of next release is comming ;-)

Anyway small idea for developers : easier than command line, you should create kind of sdk (or just sample dll) to do the "check for update"!

I can create a small dotnet assembly (dll) that can call the gecko.exe hidden to request for updates...(or maybe direct connection with central database?) this would enable "click-once like" for developers!simple deployement and update processing......

waiting for next release,

Dark.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N1c0_ds:
VGA's working!

That means - if no other problem resurfaces - that the release will be tomorrow.

Now LISTEN TO ME!

You will need to be a member at Getgecko.org to download the beta. Why? Simply to avoid other language forums and general software websites (ahem Softonic) to redistribute the files with a wrong description. :mad:
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] jim256:
AWESOME.

Just a quick question for confirmation...will there be full WVGA support in this release then?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Iceman692:
I think implimenting freewarepocketpc.net would be FANTASTIC. I love that site as far as freeware is concerned. It would also expand you arsenal of apps.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N1c0_ds:
Right now it works perfect on my Diamond. I got the screen rotation right, fixed harder bugs, cleaned up some code, added some new things.

Expect something by the end of the day ;) (I'm 5 hours behind forum time, by the way)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N1c0_ds:
Voilà! It's finally online!

After two hard months of work, the second beta release is ready. Feel free to tell me what you think and suggest new stuff. Don't forget to report bugs!

Download here​

IMPORTANT: Click the left and right ends of the bottom red bar in the info form to switch between tabs. I forgot to add the small labels ;). Fix coming after dinner!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Star-Lite:
looks very promising.

some things I would like to see:

* categories

* Show the version number of the newest version in the details of a program, also offer the ability to download older versions (eg: TCPMP 0.81 is very unstable & buggy for me, so I want to stick with 0.71. people might not always want the newest versions)

* Show currrent installed version as well

* differentiate between stable and beta versions.

* auto-detect already installed programs and add them to the installed apps list.

* A short description of the program (max xxx characters?) on the program info screen. having to click on details for every program can be tiresome.

Im definitely keeping an eye on this project tho :)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] dzign-it:
Installed the new version..and yeah...well it works lol.

Not seen any bugs. Looking forward to an eye candy release though...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] lbhocky19:
only suggestion i have so far is to make the website links go to opera and not IE
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] DarkAngelFR:
Hello there!

+1 for the link to opera but this is really (for me) not a big problem...

Small thing after a quick look (will make more deep tests later) :

+ the buttons on the bottom (on the red part) are not visible on my HTC (touch diamond), click on this "by accident" made me discover the descriptions and screenshots of applications, really nice but buttons missing ;)

+ the "Save" is really a nice thing, possible to have the default name of the app for the file name ?

+ the search is searching in names (really nice and fast), could we have a small checkbox option like "Search in description" ?

+ You should add something like "Update Gecko" or a check at startup or add Gecko to your list ;) lol

Anyway thanks for the app it's really nice!!

I will send you some update for descriptions of my apps and another one to add to the "store". May I can ask you if the database is accessible for developpers so we can create custom interfaces to it ? or make kind of plugins for other developpers to be able to add some "Check for update" in our own applications ?

See ya',

DarkAngel
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] lbhocky19:
instead of that you could use apptodate as well
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N1c0_ds:
No. Self updating is something quite simple. Just add a second table to database.gdb with version information. If the version in the latest database is different from the installed version, it will ask to update.

AppToDate is an excellent idea, but it requires effort from the developpers.

I take inspiration from the Ubuntu update manager.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N1c0_ds:
What's up? No one has an opinion to give on the beta? I see lots of clicks but no words ;)

I'd love to know what you think, how it behaved on your device, etc etc...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] soccerman821:
i like it a lot. great design and everything worked perfectly on my htc touch. the only thing i would want different is for developers to use it and for an update all type function to check for updates.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] bennyj71:
My bad, I was tied up shopping. I d/l two apps last night, work perfectly. I almost missed the fact you have to scroll right to see the desricption and screen shot. Everything worked great. The UI is better than the original, hell I not picky, this is good enough for me. I will say that I have an Att Tilt with stock WM 6.1. I can't use my d-pad to scroll up/down the menu. I don't know if this is in this version.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] DarkAngelFR:
hello there!

don't worry for feedbacks, here is christmas time so I will post you some words by friday ;-)

as I already said there are nice updates in this release so it will be more suggestions than problems!

small thing, I took some time to look a little at gecko db (thanx to dotnet reflector ;-)) and your gdb looks really simple so I can offer to all the .net community an assembly (.dll) to "talk" with gecko ;-) even custom interface to your db can be done but this is something else :-)

(will mail you tomorrow)

regards and merry christmas to everyone here on xda!!!

DarkAngel.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N1c0_ds:
Thanks a lot for the feedback, keep it coming!

I am working on a way to update applications. I'll also post some tools to create databases and ways to use many databases. I'll also add a settings page, a skinnable UI, scheduled updates and I'll gather all the developers that offered help to divide tasks and get more done.

A few questions remain:

-Based on the current layout, how do you want the UI to look? I was thinking about somethinng like the Diaamond's interface.

-How do you think the database should be managed? Wiki-style or by trusted people?

Thanks for all the support, happy holidays!

-Nick
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] nuke1:
The database should be managed by trusted people, just gather a dedicated team. For now the workload may be little, but over time it's something you could think about.

In terms of the layout, yes it needs to be enhanced to look more enticing, the Diamond's a place to start, at the very minimum.

Thanks a lot. Coming along very nice. Very useful and attractive for people new to WinMo.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Iceman692:
Its christmas and i didnt have time to read the posts so ill probably get flamed but here it goes: why are there no descriptions of the apps in the database? I mean on some of these apps i have no idea what they do. If i hadnt seen it on this forum i would have never known what confetti was. maybe im missing something.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] lbhocky19:
someone had a good idea in another thread im not taking credit

but he said to have it setup so that there is a way to pick your device so it can weed out programs that wont work and for resolutions and such

good idea
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] _fm:
downloading now,. it sounds reaallly good i read from the testimonial,. :)