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[Touch HD General] LCyberFox:
Moony: did you actually check the box or read that somewhere? or are you just guessing. Just because the phone is "made for telstra" doesn't necessarily mean it's just 850/2100 - There are many phones (ie: HTC Fuze which is made for AT&T) that are made for one carrier but support many other frequencies, so that when you travel the phone operates well.

So, any way to confirm this? :(
[Touch HD General] Moony1987:
I checked the box. It's confirmed.
[Touch HD General] bobdude5:
might sell my touch hd for $550

dude you just gave me an erection..i ordered the touch hd few hours ago...i researched a little bit and saw that it supported 2100 and tmobile has a 2100 downlink so i thought yay :D so i went on ebay and paid 550 w/ free shipping ;D...then i came on here and read all the posts and seriously i felt worst than the first time i saw sarah jessica parker...3g is awsome i have a g1 but its so ugly and the hd is soooo sexy..i dont know if im going to keep it the hd so if anyone wants it for 550 if i dont like it just hit me up..
[Touch HD General] ~~Tito~~:
1700 mhz uplink

2100 mhz downlink

sorry man it cant be done. :o
[Touch HD General] bobdude5:
that sux

really sux..someone tell me a touch hd with no 3g is better than a rooted g1 with 3g..pleassse people i need reassurance :confused:
[Touch HD General] ~~Tito~~:
You don't seem to understand how this works. . .

The G1 can receive the T-Mobile 3G frequencies(1700, 2100), the Touch HD cant(Testra: 850,2100/Euro:900,2100). Plain and simple. You would just be stuck on edge. If you want to compare phones its all up to what you want. If you like the HD then get the HD. If you wan to try something new then try the G1.

I can go into way more detail if you'd like.
[Touch HD General] orangecrush:
Obviously I'm using the HD here in the US but even when I had my diamond, I blocked 3G and forced it to use EDGE.

So the fact that EDGE is my only choice with the HD doesn't bother me because honestly, out of the last 5 HTC products I've bought, the HD is by far the best HTC phone I've used.

Mark
[Touch HD General] bobdude5:
me??? i understand..im just asking is the touch hd worth it even with out the US 3g support because i have never used one
[Touch HD General] ~~Tito~~:
To me yes.

Big Screen

Windows Mobile

Free 8gb memory card

3.5mm jack

Fully custamizabe to your hearts extent(and wm's)

its sleek sexy and its black

All the pros that people have been reporting

TF3D

Its all up to you, if you read up and see what the phone is about then its your choice. Don't buy a phone and not know if its good or not, like I did with the LG Shine. . ..
[Touch HD General] d.cortez:
ditto on the UK version!!! i get excellent battery life with the EDGE (UK) version. if you depend on 3G speed, think twice to be sure that the above attributes outweigh the lack of 3G.
[Touch HD General] turcomora:
I just orderd an aussie and am waiting for it this week. Having a polaris that uses 3G I can tell you that 3G is awsome especially if you use it for tethering. For me the extra money to have 3G is worth it because I travel alot in my state and the speed difference from 3G to Edge is significant.
[Touch HD General] ~~Tito~~:
Yep yep. The HD's lack of 3G is a small "con" compared to all the "pro's" it has expecially for a WM phone :D.
[Touch HD General] ilordvader:
Biggest con is its a old phone

now that new ones will be out soon 6.5

& 7 next yr
[Touch HD General] bigjee:
So when the 6.5 will be out no one should buy it cos 7 will be launching very soon by that time.

Using this logic nothing is ever gonna be good for anyone.

There's always something better coming out in the near future.

You'll just have to learn to live with that.
[Touch HD General] bobdude5:
crap

i forgot about tethering..i use that alot :/..i wont be able to get 3g speeds while tethering will i?...screw it..i might just keep my g1 and use the hd as an ipod touch lol..oh and ill tether my g1 via wifi to my hd..then ill get 3g speeds :D ahaha
[Touch HD General] ~~Tito~~:
You can still tether, it would just be slower. Thats all. You are not loosing much by not having 3G. Most real world 3G speeds are at least 300kbs faster than edge.
[Touch HD General] bereda:
Touch HD is officially not ever shipping to America

This shouldn't be surprising at all to anyone even remotely familiar with HTC's tendencies, but the Touch HD is officially not ever shipping to America (unless you import, obviously). The news was dropped via a Tweet (of all things), but evidently, the outcry over what we figured was common knowledge has caused some windows to be rattled in the penthouse offices. Another official Tweet followed to thank everyone for "expressing their desire for the HD," with the author noting that "US management now knows there's a grassroots demand for high-end HTCs here." Really, HTC? You needed a flood of angry Twitter comments to understand that Americans would give their second born for a phone like the Touch HD?

[Via WMExperts, thanks to everyone who sent this in]

Update: We've received official word from HTC that they've been really overwhelmed by the "strong" demand for the HD in the States and other markets where no launch has been planned (with that insane display, it seemed like a no-brainer to us!). Sadly, due to the engineering time required to get a North American 3G version in the pipeline, they say they're better off just waiting until the next round of products launches -- hopefully with some extra bands in the radio this time, eh?....

... more at www.engadget.com

im real Fecking pissed now... they bring the piece of garbage g1 but not this grrrrr time to find another company to support

bastards!

just when i thought they have learn the us market is huge on htc devices with the frenzy over the tilt and g1 grrrr

sorry but thats my view now all my development for that device and maybe all my development for htc..... and i think that update that they sent out is just a cover up because they dont want to release it to us at all kind of like because we want it so bad they are going to half ass it and make us wait.... and the part about not having the radio for 3g dont they allready have 3g in the opal diamond and g1 made for our usa radios? and isnt that what we allready using.... grrrrrrr they are so dumb!!!!
[Touch HD General] badaas:
you know, a sceptic would say this is cheap advertising for HTC by saying 'no' 3 creates a fuss; rather than a lull while everyone waits. imho, good work! HD or G1 for me, still cant decide, doh!
[Touch HD General] orb3000:
Completly agree!

And for a lot of more reasons...
[Touch HD General] utvol06:
I agree..the HTC would be an iphone threat and is why they wont market the Touch HD or Diamond.

I'd settle for Edge though here in the US with a screen that large.
[Touch HD General] vgalindez:
Newbee Question:

I got a friend on Poland that could get me a T-HD, will it work on AT&T in US? The phone is supposed to be Quad-Band, isn't it?
[Touch HD General] fhsieh:
Quad-band GSM, not UMTS. In other words, it will work on AT&T (or any other GSM carrier) with EDGE, but not with 3G.
[Touch HD General] sdlopez83:
Seriously I knew this was going to hapopen I've stated this forver. Why would AT&T jeopardize relations with Apple. Corporate america still in effect. So why doesn't verizon make a move? I dont get it.

Also does anyone think ATT buys rights for a phone just to kill it--- so it wont be a threat to the Iphone sales?
[Touch HD General] l3it3r:
damnit.. I REALLY REALLY wanted this phone too.. Touch Pro was my second choice, so I guess I'll have to "settle".
[Touch HD General] orb3000:
Please post this important information here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=433548
[Touch HD General] orb3000:
This guy posted more info on this subject

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=2745977#post2745977
[Touch HD General] bluemetalaxe:
Hallo guys, i was really suprised to hear that. The HD is the best ever made phone from HTC and i can`t believe that it doesn`t come to the states. I i really feel with you. :(

i dont know the reason but here in germany and other euopean countries htc makes a good (more) money because the iphone is here much to expensive (only with a fu.... t-mobile contract)

So this is hard, but in half a year the next htc whatever will beat the HD.

But in the other way we have to wait another 6 Months for the G1 (because there is NO translation to any other language for androidOS ! So you can see how many idots are on market !).

But the G1 is so ugly i can wait for G2 ;)
[Touch HD General] TheChampJT:
You almost ruined my day!
[Touch HD General] Blowfish64:
Uhm, how is this news? HTC never has any idea what customers want. They've been hopelessly clueless for years now.
[Touch HD General] Blowfish64:
HTC will never be a threat to the iPhone as long as it runs Windows Mobile. The masses wouldn't tolerate the OS's craptasticness.
[Touch HD General] GenesysLV:
Here's to hoping HTC is secretly saying "Buy a Euro HD and there will be a surprise for you to unlock!"
[Touch HD General] utvol06:
Your average consumer wouldn't know jack about windows mobile.. they would just pick a phone over how cool it looks..I see it all the time. I see girls with WMobile devices and just use them for the basic features.
[Touch HD General] johseph:
Buy it over seas

If I were to buy an HTC HD in the UK , would it work here in the US with just my normal SIM card and ATT service?
[Touch HD General] edwincito0_1:
great depression

I seriously hate htc now I have been waiting for about two years for a device that would fit my taste/needs and beat the freaking apple phone and now that I finally found something to replace my hermes with they don't bring it to the US I became a flashing junky and spent hundreds of hours tweaking my phone while something really great came up but now they are giving me this bull****! even my grades at school went dangerously low this seems ridiculous but after so much time invested I don't feel like waiting any more I think Im going to buy a samsung or lg 8mp camera phone and forget about windows mobile and upgrading, new applications and all that crap I'm about to give up.
[Touch HD General] utvol06:
yeah it will work of on the 850GSM band at Edge speed. Thats how I'm using the Touch Pro UK version now on AT&T.
[Touch HD General] galaxys:
Yes for Edge, but buy it "unlocked"...that's what I'll be doing for tmobile Edge access.
[Touch HD General] AthenaLod:
but you have to admit that they produce AWESOME products (with bad video support :D)!
[Touch HD General] Black93300ZX:
You're right, they made a billion dollars in the first half of this year because they don't know what people want...
[Touch HD General] stpete111:
My co-workers on either side of me both have Iphones. I am going to go punch both of them in the face right now, and then just walk away.

I will be back to report their reactions.
[Touch HD General] stpete111:
Ok, I'm back. They both cried like the whiny, crybaby, pu**y Apple fanboys that they are. I can still hear them slobbering.

It seems to me that you can tell from HTC's latest Twitter posts that "their hands are tied" in this situation. They seem to want so badly to tell us that it's dickless Apple & ATT's fault OR that the G1 has to be the big, bad HTC phone in North America at this time, but they can't throw ATT/Apple/T-Mo/HTC North America under the bus without obvious repercussion.
[Touch HD General] Ovrclck:
But why spend all that extra money for the technology and not utilize it? Edge with HD to me is epic fail :( :( :( :(
[Touch HD General] Qasim_29:
This may be a "stupid" question and it excuse me if it is, but if imported will this phone work for Sprint customers?
[Touch HD General] Ovrclck:
It will work for sprint, it just needs to be the unlocked version.
[Touch HD General] Arktronic:
Er... what? Sprint is CDMA. Unless there's a whole new version of Blackstone that's been under wraps all this time, it will most certainly NOT work.
[Touch HD General] pinx:
Weird, it would hammer that Applecrap :cool:
[Touch HD General] Ovrclck:
Thanks for correcting me. :)
[Touch HD General] orb3000:
But come on guys

Does it really afect HD will not work in 3G? if we can use it in WIFI to surf the web even faster, or on HDSPA slower.

I am in the same case here in Mexico and I´m going for it, and really don´t care about not having 3G

That´s only my personal opinion, hope nobody gets upset

Good day to all
[Touch HD General] galaxys:
Well U won't be alone :D you know that I'm getting this bad boy! ;)

Maybe someone will invent an hi tech SD card with a 3G Radio on it :eek:
[Touch HD General] Kraize:
My Opinion:

They [HTC] didn't release it on specific request of AT&T. They didn't want a competitor to the iPhone. Full monopoly on that area in cellphones (Full TS and a sexy, sleek size). First off, since most of the other providers won't take the HD since they JUST GOT the Touch Diamond and the Touch Pro. I guess Verizon is an option, but not really. Sprint wouldn't. AT&T is the biggest service provider that carries HTC phones. Mostly as the years have passed, AT&T has ONLY kept WM touchscreen phones that were made from HTC. They will soon start to carry more (Sony X1i). But I'm saying AT&T didn't want a competitor to the phone that they've been getting the most sales ever in their history to die down. They want the iPhone to sell and keep on selling until they lose that exclusive contract to have the iPhone only on AT&T. But that's just my opinion and I would regard it as close to the real thing, because there is no way HTC would not bring it to the USA unless the carriers they were planning on providing it to didn't accept it. But when they say the next big thing is going to be out.....but does that mean the next big thing is going to be out in the US? Or the next big thing will be out in Europe and they won't care if the USA gets the Touch HD or not.
[Touch HD General] orb3000:
Great galaxys!!

It´s good to know!, please let´s let us know who recievet it first!:D

Also agree with kraize92 comments.

f......g apple/at&t or who ever is responsible for it, because is not only USA it´s all America the same case!!! and even worst, at least in USA people can have it on november, the rest of we mortals in Latin America we have to wait till mid 09 if arrives.....

Cheers,
[Touch HD General] Ovrclck:
but there isn't always a wifi connection available...I still say it's a waste of money without 3G :)
[Touch HD General] sdlopez83:
We're not getting it in November, We are not getting it at all. We will get it the same way you will probably... Unlocked
[Touch HD General] Eitum:
http://www.areamobile.de/news/9999.html

I'm not sure if that's what you want to hear but You'll get it. Only in another way you might want it to!

For them who're not good in german: rumor!! HTC is about to bring the Touch HD together with T-Mobile and ANDROID to the US Market. But not as soon as in Europe because they don't want to crush the buying of the G1.
[Touch HD General] sdlopez83:
Very nice glad to here that....

Numerous online media report that HTC's new top model HTC Touch HD not in the U.S. will sell. Thus neglected the Taiwanese manufacturer, however, an important sales market and disappointed many fans smartphone. But instead, it is already speculated plan HTC and T-Mobile Android a variant of the HTC Touch HD. The blog Phonedog.com refers to two sources, according to which T-Mobile USA and HTC Touch on a HD work with Google's smartphone operating system. However, none of the sources comes from one of the two companies.

According to the information provided by the technical components of the HTC Touch HD with Android OS compared to the conventional version with Windows Mobile 6.1 identical. If the rumors that his HTC Touch HD in the U.S. only as Android version sold, profiting mainly from T-Mobile's business. As the Android phone G1 would also touch the HD exclusively at T-Mobile USA is available and a strong competition for the so far successful BlackBerry models from Research in Motion and Apple iPhone 3G, in the U.S. exclusively from AT & T sold.

(Website translated using Google translate)
[Touch HD General] sdlopez83:
http://www.phonedog.com/cell-phone-...-hd-may-be-t-mobile-s-next-android-phone.aspx
[Touch HD General] ilordvader:
so only in US its 3g wont work

while in other countrys that have 3g it will work there ?
[Touch HD General] orb3000:
I think it´s going to be in all America not working 3G...
[Touch HD General] ilordvader:
So now is it worth buying a $900 phone without 3g ?

:(

or wait for the HD 2

with 800MHz 32gb memory & 8hrs of Talk time :p

a Dream i would say...for now ;)
[Touch HD General] utvol06:
It is worth 900 dollars if you don't live in a 3G coverage area and only get Edge.
[Touch HD General] sonus:
I honestly don't see why you guys think ATT played a part in this. ATT has been saying since the inception of the iphone that they wouldn't carry winmo phones w/o keyboards. Thus they will clearly not carry the touch hd, just as they didn't carry the htc touch, the htc touch cruise, or the htc diamond.

The only other company up for the gsm HD was t-mobile, and they botched up by orderig the ugly g1 instead (I guess they figure Android will be their answer to Apple, since winmo clearly isn't).

Now what's left are Sprint and Verizon. More then likely HTC is planning on making some CDMA version of the Touch HD or something slightly better in a few months time. Think about it, the Sprint Diamond just got here, waaay after the gsm diamond came out.
[Touch HD General] nin2thevoid:
That is not to say that they can't change their minds. After all, with the HD, you do not need a keyboard to navigate WinMo since you have a stylus and an onscreen keyboard.

Apart from that, you got TouchFLO 3D which makes one much less dependant on WinMo, you can use fingers to easily control all of the basic features of the device.

Blackberry stated they'd never ditch the keyboard and now there's the Storm coming.

The HD will be hyped up quite a bit in many markets because it is not available there (only through import) and this will generate a name for the HD which will be taken advantage of as soon as the Android HD comes out. At that point, the HD name will already be familiar to many which makes it easier to sell the thing. Let's see if HTC plays their cards right and finally finds a way to put its growing name to good use -- catching up to say the IPhone in sales figures.

The HTC name is suddenly very popular and they'd be foolish not to take advantage of the moment and let it pass on...
[Touch HD General] meanvulcan:
Here's the silver lining: the battery life on most current HTC devices is terrible. I have a Kaiser (AT&T Tilt) now, used to have a TyTN before that. The battery life is by far the worst thing about these devices. So I keep 3G turned off most of the time on mine. I suppose I could settle for solid EDGE coverage and get better battery life (maybe wait for WiMax to come around?).

That said, I wouldn't pay $900 or $600 for a device with no 3G capability. Which brings me to my violent agreement with most of you... "Those bastards!!!!!!!!"
[Touch HD General] ilordvader:
HTC Touch HD - Not for the US

Want to gawk some more at a hot phone that we won’t be seeing in the US? Yes, that’s right, HTC notified their starving fans via Twitter earlier this week that HTC has no plans of bringing the HTC Touch HD to the US. In HTC’s defense, did they ever claim they were? Nope. We, the fans and blogosphere, just ran with it and crossed our fingers. I am sure we’ll see a variant of the Touch HD at some point in the US, but the Touch HD is not “Coming to America“. Despite this bad news, it’s still a hot number and friend and fellow Mobius Member, Pavel got some time with one and shares his review and video with the world.

http://mobilitysite.com/2008/10/htc-touch-hd-not-for-the-us-but-still-hot-video
[Touch HD General] fhsieh:
Yes, this is what everyone has been talking about for the last couple days :rolleyes:
[Touch HD General] shadowline:
Even knowlageable AT&T employees will agree that it won't be here in the US (under AT&T) because of the contract with Apple and the iPhone. Even if AT&T wanted to get the HD, they are bound by Apple's contract that forbids them from selling any other phone that is a competitor of it. Much like Starbucks creates contracts with development owners so no other coffee shops can open there. Its a way of wiping out compitition so that they are the one and only choice.

Right now the iPhone is the top phone on the US market, much like the first razr when it came out. It is a fashion/status symbol for most because that is the way the american market works. And even if another phone that can be a show off just like the iPhone comes around, Apple will still want to cling to every sale, and they will using their contracts that forbid those phones from ever appearing in the near future.
[Touch HD General] ilordvader:
Thats how Jews rule America

ONLY they should make money & noone else

Wakeup USA lol
[Touch HD General] meanvulcan:
Oi vey.

Anyhow... I wonder if this is a HW radio limitation... maybe some genius will figure out how to make it work on other UMTS/HSDPA frequencies with a hacked version of radio firmware. Hey, stranger things have happened :)
[Touch HD General] orb3000:
Not agree

My Universal with it´s original battery since 05 serves me very well to this date! and using it as my main PDA/phone with bt, WIFI, a lot of calls, and music daily
[Touch HD General] merkman:
I hear ya sonus, but that's what I don't understand. Since my 8525 (which was a WONDERFUL device before it) white-screened, I've been nervous about the "slider" or "multipiece" devices. I figure the reason my white-screen occured (per posts from these very forums), is pressure on the phone combined with the multi-piece design having more "wear and tear" than on a single-piece design.

As a result, I bought my HTC Touch Cruise. And while I haven't had it the full year I had my 8525 before it suddenly began white-screening and became unuseable... I gotta believe the simplier design is better.

What I also don't understand is why HTC is designing the phone without the 3G functionality. I suppose like all things it comes to dollars and what the big cell companies tell them they want. Maybe because AT&T is in bed with Apple, they promised not to have any other 3G capable touch-screen phones available for use... even as imports? And so they would pay HTC to leave that functionality out? Even though HTC could sell a HELL of a lot of phones through non-network sources if the functionality were there? Woah, how the real world works... in MY head... I think I need to sit down. :D

I just wish I could buy a Touch HD on release. That damn phone is DEAD sexyz!!! :cool:
[Touch HD General] pzucchel:
i agree with merkman on the multi-piece disadvantage. I had a flex pcb inside the wizard that slightly cracked with time - something that will never happen on my trinity.

this is why i went to the touch HD and not to the touchpro.
[Touch HD General] stuff:
It would be fine to still buy if you don't use 3G, or even internet (besidesd wifi) for that matter, yes?
[Touch HD General] utvol06:
Yeah, If this comes out early November I'll probably get it over the Fuze and give up 3G for a larger screen. I don't live in a 3G area so I wouldn't be able to use it much. Wifi is only usefull if you are stationary and it drains your battery fast too.
[Touch HD General] ilordvader:
Still not worth spending $1000 on it

its like buying a gaming laptop & going online on a dialup network lol
[Touch HD General] utvol06:
My Touch Pro on Edge is faster than dial-up...:)

Besides..its worth it if you don't live in a 3G area...having a device with 3G will still yield you with edge speeds if there is no 3G towers up.
[Touch HD General] orb3000:
Agree

In my country I will also not have 3G, but I´m ok with it. WIFI and Edge are enough

I´m going for HD!!
[Touch HD General] Arktronic:
I already asked HTC whether a radio ROM update could do it. Their response:

Then, not being fully convinced, I asked about the Diamond having 850MHz enabled by a radio ROM update. Their response:

So that's pretty convincing, at least to me.