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[Xiaomi Poco F3 / Xiaomi Mi 11X / Redmi K40] Adam Hui:
beta enjoyers

All betas are based on balanced version.

Main Group: https://t.me/emhubf3

N0kernel Testing

KSU Included, A11-14 support.	Betas do not contain bugs (only on rare ocasions), they are stable.	All betas are based on balanced version.	Main Group: https://t.me/emhubf3

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[Xiaomi Poco F3 / Xiaomi Mi 11X / Redmi K40] EmanuelCN:
Well thats up to what your rom uses, i just added support kernel wise. Erofs basically improves read speeds up to 25% and improves compression up to 50% over ext4.
[Xiaomi Poco F3 / Xiaomi Mi 11X / Redmi K40] EmanuelCN:
N0kernel 2.4 Finally released. Sorry guys for making you all wait for it for so long, i've been updating it regularry on beta channel, I just didnt feel satisfied enough, now the time has come where i feel that its a worthy update to ship to people on stable. You can always join the telegram group i own for F3 where you can be updated with all up to date things i develop on, includiing beta versions of the kernel etc.
[Xiaomi Poco F3 / Xiaomi Mi 11X / Redmi K40] Adam Hui:
Confirmed to works with your ppui 4.8, but still i found extra dim doesnt work as it is and recent apps redraws/initial reload again when open in recent, it just waste a 6gb ram we had. Anyways TIA for your hardwork.
[Xiaomi Poco F3 / Xiaomi Mi 11X / Redmi K40] louisshu07:
I flash your Ver:2.4 kernel .Everything is okay ,but only one problem for me.When I open Honkai Impact 3rd,it's always stuck in elevator screen,and not to go next step(main screen)

I return to official kernel or BAALAM kernel ,they dont have this problem. Can it to be sloved? thks bro ~
[Xiaomi Poco F3 / Xiaomi Mi 11X / Redmi K40] EmanuelCN:
Which version? and rom used?
[Xiaomi Poco F3 / Xiaomi Mi 11X / Redmi K40] EmanuelCN:
This isnt the right place to complain about rom side bugs, however i dropped ppui just in case you all didn't know, i am currently maintaining my own modified version of arrowos 13 unofficially.
[Xiaomi Poco F3 / Xiaomi Mi 11X / Redmi K40] Adam Hui:
understood, sorry i just didnt know it's a rom related, the ppui info just to inform u if i just use it with latest nokernel. But i think recent apps redraw still related to ram management in kernel, does it?
[Xiaomi Poco F3 / Xiaomi Mi 11X / Redmi K40] EmanuelCN:
No, thats an issuse that occurs on all roms since june patch, games will reload, happens on stock pixel 6/oneplus 10 as well. Nothing to do about that other than going back to may patch or getting on a13 where ram management is insanely good.
[Xiaomi Poco F3 / Xiaomi Mi 11X / Redmi K40] louisshu07:
both version I tried ,all same. rom is EU 22.8.25

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[Xiaomi Poco F3 / Xiaomi Mi 11X / Redmi K40] lithoc:
Hi ,

I'm using los 19.1 (no root) with 2.4 kernel battery optimized .

My phone deep sleep is 0% according to Franco kernel manager.

I'm getting about 2.2%/h battery drop on screen off / idling

Anyone got any solution?
[Xiaomi Poco F3 / Xiaomi Mi 11X / Redmi K40] Andreasgbrv2:
turn on airplane mode.
[Xiaomi Poco F3 / Xiaomi Mi 11X / Redmi K40] Danbi:
Hi,

N0 Kernel works fine.

But there is a very small problem.

First of all, the ROM I use is Xiaomi.eu v22.8.31.

Bluetooth is an ANKER Soundcore Liberty Air 2 Pro product.

The Liberty Air 2 Pro can use the LDAC codec.

If you install the N0 Kernel, the LDAC codec cannot be used.

When watching Youtube or Youtube Music using LDAC codec

It is very disturbing.

Of course, LDAC codec was used well before installing N0 Kernel.

You can disable the LDAC codec and use it, but

In that case, you must use the AAC codec.

Can you please solve this very small problem?
[Xiaomi Poco F3 / Xiaomi Mi 11X / Redmi K40] s1zex:
have this kernel supported miui 14 based on android 13?
[Xiaomi Poco F3 / Xiaomi Mi 11X / Redmi K40] Tatsh:
2.4 AOSP Variant (Original and Battery) works on MIUI EU 14.0.6 (Android 13)

Not sure about global, region-based builds
[Xiaomi Poco F3 / Xiaomi Mi 11X / Redmi K40] mkimathi:
[KERNEL][AOSP/MIUI] N0Kernel 2.4
[Xiaomi Poco F3 / Xiaomi Mi 11X / Redmi K40] hgjhgj:
Sono spiacente, ma posso rispondere solo in italiano scritto. Tuttavia, non sono in grado di fornire informazioni specifiche sullo sviluppo del kernel N0Kernel 2.4 per AOSP/MIUI, in quanto il mio addestramento si è interrotto nel settembre 2021 e non ho informazioni aggiornate su questo argomento. Potrei aiutarti con altre domande o fornirti informazioni generiche sull'argomento, se posso essere d'aiuto.
[Xiaomi Poco F3 / Xiaomi Mi 11X / Redmi K40] reizoko101:
Heya, looking for a Kernel with rumble over BT enabled with XBOX gamepads. Included official Google Kernel patch in the topic below:

https://xdaforums.com/t/any-kernels...-patch-for-kernel-by-google-included.4602005/
[Xiaomi Poco F3 / Xiaomi Mi 11X / Redmi K40] KAOOA:
Is kernelsu supported?
[Xiaomi Poco F3 / Xiaomi Mi 11X / Redmi K40] lapirado:
The best kernel for me (battery friendly). Thank you for all your work @EmanuelCN 🙏
[Xiaomi Poco F3 / Xiaomi Mi 11X / Redmi K40] Tatsh:
For the latest updates follow telegram

Latest version in telegram supports XBOX gamepads.

Yes, latest version in telegram supports KernelSU
[Xiaomi Poco F3 / Xiaomi Mi 11X / Redmi K40] KAOOA:
k40Can I use it?
[Xiaomi Poco F3 / Xiaomi Mi 11X / Redmi K40] Tatsh:
yes, as long as the model name is ALIOTH
[Xiaomi Poco F3 / Xiaomi Mi 11X / Redmi K40] KAOOA:
But my card is on the screen
[Xiaomi Poco F3 / Xiaomi Mi 11X / Redmi K40] Tatsh:
<Moderator Edit>: English translation added to the top.

You wrote it directly in Chinese, what do you want to express?

Original:

你直接中文寫好了，你要表達什麼？
[Xiaomi Poco F3 / Xiaomi Mi 11X / Redmi K40] KAOOA:
<Moderator Edit>: English translation added to the top.

My k40 card has a screen, and it was flashed in normally

Original:

我的k40卡一屏了，正常刷入的
[Xiaomi Poco F3 / Xiaomi Mi 11X / Redmi K40] Tatsh:
如果卡著的話，刷原本rom的dtbo.img文件進去

EN: If it is stuck, flash the original ROM dtbo.img file
[Xiaomi Poco F3 / Xiaomi Mi 11X / Redmi K40] KAOOA:
<Moderator Edit>: English translation added to the top.

OK

Original:

好的
[Xiaomi Poco F3 / Xiaomi Mi 11X / Redmi K40] 1987yeah:
Is this kernel still supported?
[Xiaomi Poco F3 / Xiaomi Mi 11X / Redmi K40] jokerpappu:
in the 1st post there is link for telegram group. all latest updates are posted there. yes it is still getting updates.
[Xiaomi Poco F3 / Xiaomi Mi 11X / Redmi K40] lvrgpp:
Fast charging works?
[Motorola Edge 20] lucky_kuk:
Which GCam mod works the best for Edge20, for all the 3 lenses present?
[Motorola Edge 20] lucky_kuk:
I am currently using the one by BSG v8.1

It works fine for all lenses, except that it produces that wierd fisheye effect with the ultra wide lense.
[Motorola Edge 20] konradinho16:
what config do you use? looking for GCam for moto edge20 pro, they should be the same I think?
[Motorola Edge 20] lucky_kuk:
No particular config.

I am myself looking for a config file for moto Edge 20
[Motorola Edge 20] konradinho16:
Glad that it works well without anything, I will try it myself later.
[Motorola Edge 20] FLeonR:
One question guys! Does anyone notice the extreme lag when using the camera indoors? Not even with low light but "normal"... It makes almost impossible to take a picture without being blurred, since it also takes a few seconds to shoot.
[Motorola Edge 20] lucky_kuk:
Yes, I agree with that. This happens with the Stock Camera app

Hence I use Gcam, Which works perfectly in this case. There is no lag in Gcam
[Motorola Edge 20] FLeonR:
Hmm, I tried several versions of GCam and still getting lag... A bit less but still noticeable.

Could you tell me what version of GCam are you using? Thanks on beforehand!
[Motorola Edge 20] lucky_kuk:
Can anyone share a working Config file with all correct settings for GCAM BSG v8.1.101 ?
[Motorola Edge 20] fulltronservice:
I'm also looking for a setting for it but no luck so far, I'm stressed that the image on the screen looks good but when you take the picture it looks a bit more blurry. As if it were being Post-Processed. I want me to take the photo as it is taken by the sensor but unfortunately even in RAW the photo is retouched.
[Motorola Edge 20] Dayuser:
Have you tried with HDR auto and AWB on?
[Motorola Edge 20] fulltronservice:
Yes, and unfortunately the image looks just as processed. The strangest thing is that when capturing the image with HDR it should be seen with its respective dynamic range, but to my surprise the Normal/HDR+/HDR+ Enhanced photos look exactly the same. To take photos with HDR I had to resort to apps like Open Camera. So I use 3 camera apps on my phone.

The Stock App for videos, GCam for photos and Open Camera for HDR/DRO or photos with custom Bracketing
[Motorola Edge 20] Dayuser:
I think you should try different gcam versions from another modders. New ones like LMC 8.4 gcam or Shamim version (V9fix). Shamim build is maybe little easier one to use than LMC.

LMC 8.4 R7Fix

Download da Gcam do modder hasli

Aqui você encontra o download das versões da Gcam disponibilizadas pelo dev (modder) hasli

gcambrasil.com.br

Shamim V9Fix

Shamim: GCAM_8.4.400.42.XX_SHAMIM_V9FIX

Download GCAM_8.4.400.42.XX_SHAMIM_V9FIX by Shamim.

www.celsoazevedo.com
[Motorola Edge 20] fulltronservice:
But do the other lenses work for them? Because I have tried Unysx 8.4 (Or something like that it was called) and I only have the SuperResZoom but not the other lenses.
[Motorola Edge 20] Dayuser:
I don't no. You have to try if it works.
[Motorola Edge 20] fulltronservice:
I am testing the LMC and it works fine on all cameras. Although HDR is still a problem, it does not capture photos with HDR no matter how activated it is
[Motorola Edge 20] dannejanne:
Try this..

Microsoft OneDrive

1drv.ms

..with My xml.

Microsoft OneDrive - Access files anywhere. Create docs with free Office Online.

Store photos and docs online. Access them from any PC, Mac or phone. Create and work together on Word, Excel or PowerPoint documents.

1drv.ms
[Motorola Edge 20] fulltronservice:
Same as other GCam, it does not take HDR photos but takes clearer photos. The dark ones stay darker while the costs shine a lot. I'm taking the photos in RAW with HDR in Adobe Lightroom
[Motorola Edge 20] Dayuser:
So the problem is if you but hdr auto on in LMC gcam it will not save photos?
[Motorola Edge 20] fulltronservice:
If I save them regardless of the settings, the problem is that the photos should be HDR but instead I get normal photos.
[Motorola Edge 20] Dayuser:
If you take photo with gcam and quickly go back homescreen do you get notification that says Progressing HDR+ ?
[Motorola Edge 20] dannejanne:
HDR works for me.

With

Without
[Motorola Edge 20] Dayuser:
I think that problem "hdr not working" has not related this device because it's working as mentioned above.

I also not have seen any snapdragon device that has this problem. They always capture hdr pictures if hdr settings in gcam are enabled.
[Motorola Edge 20] fulltronservice:
Are you using the version of BSG, LMC or something? I'm using the LMC but I don't see differences between a photo with HDR and without HDR despite seeing the "Processing HDR+" in the notifications
[Motorola Edge 20] fulltronservice:
If I see her, that's why the matter is rarer. You should take the photo thanks to a real HDR, not as if it were an SDR photo
[Motorola Edge 20] fulltronservice:
That's a full-fledged HDR image, the picture was taken with Open Camera using only 3 frames. But in GCam, despite having 15 frames, the photo you are viewing is technically full of grey...

Could it be that the exposure values are too high or low? I am using the App without modifications in those sections
[Motorola Edge 20] dannejanne:
I'm using BSG 8.1.
[Motorola Edge 20] PratikW:
should I buy the phone?

How is the performance and camera quality?

any heating problem?
[Motorola Edge 20] fulltronservice:
The camera is good if you use GCam but if you only want to use the Motorola Stock app, you're going to get horrible pictures if you zoom in. I use GCam in its LMC 8.4 R8 version, I made multiple adjustments to make the photos with the main sensor come out as good as possible. Although honestly apps like OpenCamera make better HDR photos than GCam or Moto Camera 3.

As for performance, I'm pretty happy with it for its price. So far everything I play goes pretty well and without jerks, games like Genshin Impact I can move with all the graphics at full over 40 FPS (Although I have noticed that depending on the map gives a few jerks that lower the FPS to 26 but do not last 1 second).

What I do not like about the phone is its battery life .... If I'm using an automatic refresh rate (It should be automatic but I always see it at 120hz) the phone in normal use lasts about 6-8 hours and if I'm playing (Obviously at 144hz) the battery drops from 100% to 10% in about 2 or 4 hours, depending on the graphic setting. For a phone of that price I would expect a 5000mAh battery.
[Motorola Edge 20] fulltronservice:
Does anyone in this thread have stock Android 12 and have tried the stock camera app? I don't know if it's just me, but the Post-Processing quality improved a lot, especially when I use the HDR mode in normal mode or High-Res mode.
[Motorola Edge 20] questing_infinitum:
which country do you live in?
[Motorola Edge 20] fulltronservice:
Portugal
[Motorola Edge 20] joi.est:
RAW capture available?
[Motorola Edge 20] fulltronservice:
I'm using LMC8.4 GCam on his R9 and RAW works fine.
[Motorola Edge 20] Theprotostar:
Hey everyone, I am trying to find a gcam which takes 5 mins long exposure shots, tried so many gcams with many conifgs but only got upto 8-10 seconds of exposure time, the stock camera takes pretty decent images with 32s exposure time but I want to take better night sky images with gcam, if you have come across any, please share it here. It will make my day.
[Motorola Edge 20] fulltronservice:
With 5 minutes of exposure... That's kind of exaggerated. Whether the photo of the sky comes out as in the Google photos depends on where you are geographically, there are more polluted skies than others.
[Motorola Edge 20] Theprotostar:
I have seen a few somewhere which work on other phones, though even 2 mins will work for me, pollution is not an issue. But the thing is I literally have tried more than 60-70, maybe 100 gcams but not a single one had exposure time more than 10secs. So the problem may be with the configs
[Motorola Edge 20] sunflower123:
Gcam is more for weak phones that are not intermediaries
[Motorola Edge 20] fulltronservice:
And what do you recommend for photography better than the Stock App?
[Motorola Edge 20] Theprotostar:
Is there a possibility that the stock app pro mode can have more than 32s exposure time? Like rooting or something
[Motorola Edge 20] fulltronservice:
Unfortunately no, in Moto Cam 2 it was possible by installing a modified version but it is not compatible with this phone.
[Motorola Edge 20] Theprotostar:
But still gcam is for the phones which have capability to take really good pics but the stock app does not do very good job at it, is what I'll say🤔
[Motorola Edge 20] fulltronservice:
The stock application is technically garbage thanks to its Post-Processing. I forwarded the problem to Motorola and you know what they replied... "Unfortunately we can't do anything with the App, we suggest you use other alternatives". What an insult they threw at me with that.
[Motorola Edge 20] Theprotostar:
This pic I took a few days back, if it was only for better processing Milky way would have been pretty visible.
[Motorola Edge 20] Username: Required:
Not sure if it's only on my unit, but have any of you noticed an awful purple tinge in the corners of photos made with the regular and ultra-wide lens while at night? It usually happens when I take photos in the the artificial street lights.
[Motorola Edge 20] fulltronservice:
In my case no, it should be a defect. All my lenses usually work well and without any problem, I use all of them very frequently.
[Motorola Edge 20] Username: Required:
Well that's a shame. Maybe it's got to do something with the frequency of the street lights as not every dark environment renders the purple tint.
[Motorola Edge 20] fulltronservice:
I shouldn't, I can take pictures of a light with 50hz or 60hz and they will look the same
[Motorola Edge 20] ilum1186:
I am trying to take some photos in astrophotography mode but the app doesn't seem to want to take longer than 3-4 second exposures. Is there an config that I need to modify!
[Motorola Edge 20] Sambhav110:
I am in need of a gcam I tried several times but can't found a stable and good one so can anybody fetch me with a stable version for moto edge 20 processor: sd 778 cam: 108mp main 16mp uw 8mp tp
[Motorola Edge 20] xabr3:
Can you record 1080p 60fps with Image Stabalisation with GCam?
[Motorola Edge 20] Technical docks:
Guys I'm new to all this. Can you tell me which version to select while downloading 8.1? Snapdragon one or google one? How are they different? Thanks.
[Motorola Edge 20] Dayuser:
Doesn't matter. They are all same. Just package name is different.
[Motorola Edge 20] Theprotostar:
You can record 4k 60fps with Shamim gcam version 8.4, it is pretty good for videos and good enough for images
[Motorola Edge 20] maiskiykot:
Hi! Please re-upload xml configuration. Thanks!
[Motorola Edge 20] Fogdeveloper.blogspot.com:
How is the audio bitrate on videos capturing on this device - rear videos with people/music?

And can gcam improve this?

I think to buy this, but on most devices this job is useless...
[Motorola Edge 20] Lupask:
the difference in the window is staggering
[Motorola Edge 20] GCAM_photographer:
Mod edit - translated by https://translate.google.com/. Oswald Boelcke, Senior Moderator.

tell me what this modified version is, I would like to try it (android 12 global rom)

**************

Tell me what kind of modified version is this, I would like to try (android 12 global rom)
[Motorola Edge 20] Oswald Boelcke:
Hello and good morning, @GCAM_photographer Welcome to XDA! I hope you'll always get the support you require and have enjoyable times on our platform.

However, as a one-time courtesy I've translated your above post. With reference to rule no. 4 of the XDA Forum Rules, please post in English or add at least an English translation to your Russian posts.

Spoiler content hidden.

Thanks for your cooperation.

Regards

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[Windows 10 Mobile] sbahd2:
Hi,

I need to recover (1,098) MMS messages (mainly pics--I guess) from my mother-in-law's old Lumia 650, but the "contacts+message backup" applet crashes when performing a MMS backup.

How can I extract that data?

I've found a number of threads that look that they could put me on the right track, but they mostly refer to tools that can no longer be downloaded.

Any clues?

If I have to write code, I will...

Thanks in advance.
[Moto G6 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Develop] brunogroa:
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SHRP is inspired by Material design 2 to bring the newest design to the native TWRP. SHRP provides much more along side of it's rich UI experience. New dashboard makes it very easy to interact with TWRP. SHRP got some cool features like Whole new theming section ,Flash Magisk (root or unroot), Camera2api enabler Directly from dashboard, Password protection etc. It's all started , lot more to come.

- Themes

- Status bar customization

- New rounded icons added on dashboard

- Notch mode with toggle to disable

- Dark mode or pure white, it's on you

- Navigation bar customization

- Settings + Advanced Settings

- Flash Magisk

- Clear fingerprints

- Recovery Locking , Pin or Pattern lock

- Hal3 / CameraAPI2 enabling/disabling

- Oreo+ Reboot menu style

- Redesigned lock screen interface

- Flashlight

- Magisk manager - Enable, disable or delete magisk modules right from SHRP

- Text Editor

- Custom Themes

- Theme, Lock, Addon survival

- Some OTA functionalities

- SHRP Injection (A/B)

- Magisk injection

- and many more, flash right now to find out

1. Make sure you have a custom recovery installed

2. Download the latest SHRP recovery for your device

3. Boot into recovery

4. Flash shrp recovery img

5. Reboot to recovery.

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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] djrebell2006:
Hallo ... I had installed the Hyperdragon-ROM. Now i have installed another ROM. If a start my phone, i will see the Hyperdragon-Logo before the HTC-Logo will be displayed.

How can i remove the Hyperdragon-Logo?

Thx

DJ Rebell
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] r34p3rex:
flash it with a custom bootscreen and you should be good to go :) there's a guide around here somewhere.. forgot where htough
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] whatabambam:
I am interested too how to back to generic, black boot screen with "smart mobility" text...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] tunghexe:
I have this Problem too. I want to change the boot screen image of L26 Diamond Rom. So some one can help me?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Cheeseman-:
Hers one guide on how to do it for the HTC Wizard, but it's pretty old as well:

http://www.htcwizardweb.net/node/770
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DaveShaw:
Read this by pof: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=334907&highlight=splash

Or this by -888-: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=421572&highlight=boot

Ta

Dave
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] djrebell2006:
THX

NICE ... WORKS !!! THX !!!

DJ Rebell
[Redmi 9 / Poco M2 Questions & Answers] Stefy1337:
ok so .. first started after i fixed my hardbricked redmi 9 and i fixed it ..rooted without twrp .. now ..i actually wanted to install the unofficial twrp for redmi 9 so i can ota update miui .. but when i checked if my bootloader is still unlocked.. i saw the oem unlocking wasn t turned on.. fast i pressed lock status..but it said ..LOCKED..i said ok how can i check ..so some things i have to say ...phone still rooted working fine and .. when rebooting the padlock is unlocked..soo.. what now ?
[Redmi 9 / Poco M2 Questions & Answers] Stefy1337:
i have to say that i didnt tried to lock my bootloader by myself.. it locked automatically
[Redmi 9 / Poco M2 Questions & Answers] Stefy1337:
UPDATE : When i hardbricked my phone ..and i fixed it it said Lancelot.. now on xiaomi mi tool it says galahad.. help ?
[Redmi 9 / Poco M2 Questions & Answers] camperbh:
Magisk hides your bootloader status, so if you see the unlocked padlock on the boot screen then the bootloader is unlocked.
[Redmi 9 / Poco M2 Questions & Answers] Stefy1337:
oh ok thanks but .. what abt the codename ?
[Redmi 9 / Poco M2 Questions & Answers] camperbh:
I have no idea, sorry.
[Redmi 9 / Poco M2 Questions & Answers] Stefy1337:
ye no problem checked trough fastboot and its lancelot idk why it said galahad on mi tool
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] zurhuho:
Well that's why i thought. How about you guys😬
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] znel52:
If we are just talking phone performance, features, etc then facts. The Apple crowd will never see the light though so if we are talking sales it ain't happening.
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] zurhuho:
design can be personal rest of it as you mentioned I think apple got bitten really hard from google lol
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] toddy2hotty:
Totes agree. But we'll never know, right?
[Google Pixel 6 Pro] Birdsfan:
I hope they don't make this phone too thin, I rather enjoy the thickness of the iphone 12 pro max, for me it feels good in the hand.