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[Touch HD General] stuff:
A bit of an exaggeration, dont yah think ;)

I don't even have a 3G connection on my plan, so I pay per kb. And I never connect anyway (unless to update weather)

I'm ususally in a wifi spot, when I'm using the internet.

(home, friends house, work, school, etc)
[Touch HD General] ilordvader:
Then you should get

HTC T8290 - HTC Quartz - HTC WiMax

If you don’t know what WiMax is, WiMax is faster than WiFi and covers many miles/kilometers instead of tens of yards/meters, more practically 10 Mbit/s at 10 km.

what city are you in Pal
[Touch HD General] Zuber:
So if "stuff" can have the HTC HD and usually has access to a WiFi hotspot anyway, what's the logic in suggesting another device because of WiMax ?

Besides, doesn't WiMax require a monthly fee ?

Zuber
[Touch HD General] ilordvader:
Thats why :)
[Touch HD General] meanvulcan:
What a drag... I'm still getting one if I can find one that falls off a truck for like $100 :D
[Touch HD General] Ovrclck:
+100000000000
[Touch HD General] Arktronic:
Well, for that price, hell yeah! Although recently I've not relied on 3G that much, so this thing is looking a bit better even at a higher price.
[Touch HD General] turcomora:
First I brick my touchcruise and am sad. But then I say "Hey now I can drop a grand and buy the HD", now I find out that it will not supprt 3G.....WTF. I think I am going to be sick.
[Touch HD General] ilordvader:
hahaha

Welcome to the club my friend :)
[Touch HD General] turcomora:
So after throwing up at the fact that HD would not have 3G support I made some calls. Mobile Plant USA (Expansys) told me that if my carrier, (AT&T) supports 3G on 1900 spectrum in my city, (Houston, TX) then the device would work for me. Is he blowing smoke up my butt?
[Touch HD General] tylr:
Is this a DIFFERENT version of the HD? It states 850 and 1900 bands:

http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1469
[Touch HD General] CalifornIyay:
From what I understand and have been following it will work on the att network 850/1900 but you wont get the 3G because it does not support the

3G/HSDPA. So if you have the 3G plan on your current phone once you swap your sim card into the HTC HD you will get EDGE.

I am just wondering if someone will eventually brew up a firmware or hack that will allow the HTC HD to support the USA 3G support?:confused:
[Touch HD General] galaxys:
Certainly that's what a lot of us would like to see!!! Maybe a souped-up 3G SD card :eek:
[Touch HD General] Ovrclck:
I don't think this is possible, it's a hardware issue not software. Correct me if I'm wrong.
[Touch HD General] Ovrclck:
3G capable?
[Touch HD General] CalifornIyay:
I found a video in english regarding the HTC HD which makes me want to toss out my 2G iphone. The touchscreen on the HD is not a capacitive like the iphone but it seems to respond better or the same. Besides with a capacitive touchscreen you cant use a stylus when needing to copy and paste. I think the HD is using a saw touchscreen but I am only guessing as I dont know shiet :D

Video: HTC Touch HD vs. Apple iPhone & Samsung Omnia

Located at: http://www.expansys.com/video.aspx?id=1561&i=173502
[Touch HD General] CalifornIyay:
3G Europe capable.

Not HSDPA which us Americanos use.

Dont trip guys there will be a ROM floating around soon for us here in the good old U.S.of A.

Maybe the reason why this phone is not coming to the USA because our FCC laws are more strict then other countries. I bet the radiation levels on this phone is pretty high so I wouldnt get use to leaving the phone in your front pocket if you plan on having kids lol j/k:D

I will get this phone after everyone gets there so I know what I am getting..
[Touch HD General] ilordvader:
Now that I dont Belive

You saying radiation level is high ?

how do you know this ?

thats Giving a real bad name to HTC making such a phone

I dont think thats the reason for FCC not allowing it to Usa
[Touch HD General] baboola:
wow...you guys sure are willing to spend $$ on phone

wish I could do that. $1,000 is just way out of my league...and if we include the data plan...that's enough to cover a touch pro and a G1 with data plan for a year! :eek:

anyone know how's the battery life on HD? I heard touch pro is having some battery issues, and don't HD & TP use the same battery?
[Touch HD General] orb3000:
I think you are right mate.

------------------------------------------------------

Quote:Originally Posted by stuff

I don't even have a 3G connection on my plan, so I pay per kb. And I never connect anyway (unless to update weather)

I'm ususally in a wifi spot, when I'm using the internet.

(Quote)

I use it in the same way, so I´m going for HD no doubt
[Touch HD General] Kraize:
Hmm it may be possible. Remember Wi-Fi module was put on a microSD card.

I think he was kidding. Like not seriously saying that. Don't take things so seriously. ;)
[Touch HD General] Kael:
Well it must be HSDPA capable, as it is brought in Japan, where they only have that...
[Touch HD General] tylr:
Aren't we making this a little too complicated? AT&T in the US broadcast 3G on their 850/1900 network. If the phone will send and receive on those bands the phone will operate at the speed of those bands. The link I posted is to another version of the HD isn't it?

T
[Touch HD General] turcomora:
3G no 3G. I'm buying it. I am going to bite the bullet and buy it. I just cant give into the social norm of buying an iphone. The device is gorgeous and should keep me happy till the next best thing comes out.
[Touch HD General] fernandes.s:
I'll be buyin it next year, I am quite happy with my Kaiser now, but the touch hd tempts me, btw I am in Swiss, so no worries
[Touch HD General] :
WTF?? LMFAO. so the rest of the world doesnt have HSDPA huh? :D

Anyhow, it aint the SAR values that stopped the sales, according to the manual, the SAR values are 0.722 at the head, and 1.02 at the body.

Both well below the 1.6 maximum mandated by the FCC. My guess is they just didn't have any sales to the US networks and so they didn't bother making a US version.

They also seem not to have bothered submitting it to the FCC. or at least i couldn't find it when i searched there. Won't that cause a few issues with the importers??
[Touch HD General] fhsieh:
The Euro/Asia Touch HD made its way to the FCC, so importing will not be a problem.

FCC filing, check the Label info for BLAC100.

Of course, if your retailer exports it as a "Handheld Computer" (rather than "cellphone") it might not matter.

Also, US networks suck right now. The only HSPA networks are T-mobile and AT&T, the former of which is already in the middle of launching an HTC device (the G1), and the latter of which is still on its monogamous honeymoon with Apple.
[Touch HD General] :
you are of course correct. I couldn't find it originally, but it turned up under NM8BKNV when i searched through the HTC listings.

had a read through and the SAR test documents do not match the details in the manual. but they were all still well under the 1.6, although i did notice the odd 1.2 in there! ouch! something to keep your balls warm in the winter then.....!
[Touch HD General] CalifornIyay:
Does anyone know if this site is legit? http://www.mobilecityonline.com/wir...anic&utm_term=HTCTOUCHHD&utm_campaign=froogle

If anyone is located in New York I am guessing you can just walk into their store and pick up the HTC HD when it arrives. Maybe I will give them a call tomorrow for some more info and see if they have a "Layaway" plan or something lol :D
[Touch HD General] ilordvader:
I will go chk it out ;)
[Touch HD General] fhsieh:
I have purchased from MobileCityOnline before at their retail store, twice in fact. The folks are actually quite helpful in-person, although online could be different.
[Touch HD General] rbuckton:
Somewhat frustrating I suppose. From what I can gather, the HD supports GSM/EDGE on 850/900/1800/1900Mhz so Edge connectivity is in for AT&T (850/1900Mhz). WCDMA/UMTS is only available on 900/2100Mhz and AT&T doesn't use those bands for 3G. Apparently (according to wikipedia), T-Mobile uses 1700/2100 for UMTS 3G so it *might* work on T-Mobile at 3G speeds but as I understand it T-Mobile's 3G network has pretty limited coverage right now.
[Touch HD General] sdlopez83:
Yea Its legit. THey are on canal street in chinatown. If you call you can speak to an actual operator. I've bought stuff from them befor, never a phone. No one in NY will buy an Hd without 3G. Even upstate has 3g
[Touch HD General] fhsieh:
Actually UMTS 2100 and 900 correspond to UMTS I (1900mhz uplink and 2100mhz downlink) and UMITS VIII (800mhz uplink and 900mhz downlink), respectively. T-mobile's 3G network is UMTS IV (1700mhz uplink and 2100mhz downlink). UMTS I and IV does overlap in the 2100mhz downlink band, but without the uplink no connection can be established.

In other words, you need both 1700mhz and 2100mhz support to access Tmo 3G -- 2100mhz alone is not enough. Since the HD has only UMTS I and VIII (and not II or V for AT&T, or IV for T-mobile), you won't get 3G in the US.
[Touch HD General] starscalling:
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOooooOOOoooOOooooOOOooOOOOooOOOooooOOoooOOoooooooOO!!!!

:makes dying sounds:

this is HORRIBLE news.... if only... i think this phone would be teh... oh well... sprint + touch pro then, here i come...
[Touch HD General] ilordvader:
Waiting for 4g :)

http://www.news.com.au/technology/story/0,25642,24504858-5014239,00.html
[Touch HD General] vafanculo13:
Stop moaning

C'mon guys you americans always get everything, so please be a men and understand that HTC despise american market so just go to Chile or Taiwan and buy one:)
[Touch HD General] pocketdoc:
I did buy one, as have other Americans, but we are disappointed that it won't work on our 3G networks.

EDGE is very slow where I am.
[Touch HD General] Ovrclck:
Well I can't wait forever for the 3G version so I'm just going to buy the Fuze from ATT in a few weeks.
[Touch HD General] Ovrclck:
Would the HD support 4g?
[Touch HD General] ilordvader:
Im getting the Fuze too

cost me $299

& HD $799 &

no 3g

no warranty for 1yr

I will wait for the Next HD with WM 6.5 or 7 :p
[Touch HD General] veloaudio:
"no warranty for 1yr"

What do you mean?
[Touch HD General] SomethingWicked:
AT&T uses

UTMS

850/1900 for 3G. What you're talking about seeing in the ad is

GSM

850/1900, which is EDGE. Look again and you'll see the only UMTS freq's are 900/2100. Also, the '100' you see means first release, so it's just an HD... If it had said '200', we'd all be jumping for joy ... Sorry mate... :(

The FUZE is *FINALLY* up on AT&T's website, so it's actually official now. I'll probably get on of those to hold me over till the next batch of big screen's come out :)
[Touch HD General] Ovrclck:
I just played with the fuze tonight at a store...It's sooo tiny!?? My wing is bigger... sigh...

so is there any update on this whole 3g issue?
[Touch HD General] ilordvader:
Small is better :)

I already got it ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3YTikFOiMk
[Touch HD General] jehlinger:
OK, I just got a Touch HD yesterday, and man this thing is smokin'. I've had the typical swath of HTC phones as well as others, and I can say this is a definite HUGE improvement, even over the Diamond.

One little curious thing, I've been doing some speed tests. As everyone has beat to death the HD is only EDGE capable in the US right?

Well I'm getting very good EDGE speeds typically ranging from 125-200 kbit/sec. These are better tests than I've ever had from any EDGE capable phone. I guess the processor helps a little? I'm on T-mobile by the way in case you're too lazy to read my profile.

Also using www.mobilespeedtest.com, which typically uses a 1mb file for testing, I've had a couple of test results in the 400-500+ kbit/sec range. This is way past the speed EDGE is capable of which should be 236.8 kbit/sec right? I guess this is just the combination of more RAM + faster processor + opera's speed boost? Not picking up the 2100mhz portion of T-mobile's HSDPA right? I know, I've read all the discussion about T-mobile's HSDPA being 2100/1700mhz (AWS) which means that devices w/o the 1700mhz portion won't get HSDPA. But what else explains these fast tests? And no, I didn't have WIFI enabled, I'm not that stupid. Note that I have the big "E" symbol the whole time, not the "H".

All-in-all, I'm loving the device, the screen is fantastic, very responsive for a resistive-touch. Battery life is tremendous, I'm still on my original charge after taking off the charger at 3pm CST yesterday and I still have 2 bars, with mucho playing as you can imagine. The HD is much smaller than I thought it would be. Basically the whole device is screen.

Radio reception is great, sound both on internal speaker and speakerphone is very loud.
[Touch HD General] Twenty4:
AT&T really needs to pick this phone up. Maybe in a few months after the Fuze hype dies down.
[Touch HD General] marcopolo007uk:
Thanks for that link been looking for something like that for a longtime! :) 8.19 Mbps!!!!
[Touch HD General] ilordvader:
My result is 546.13 Mbps

on Att Fuze

Im glad i did not get the HD :p
[Touch HD General] SomethingWicked:
I did a little research on wcdma, and I think we need an expert opinion here. It may be that winmo 6.1 comes with all the blanks filled in, but selecting them may not actually accomplish anything???

Would one of the guru's in the area please expand on this? Thanks... :D
[Touch HD General] cruxop:
ya i'm very interested in follow-up on this one too. Anyone with a HD care to do some testing?
[Touch HD General] jehlinger:
I actually re-ran the test from www.mobilespeedtest.com and it's reporting 585.14Mbps. That's with the HD on EDGE, better than your Fuze on 3G.
[Touch HD General] d.cortez:
i got some very inconsistent and very high readings when performing my tests with Opera, like 341.Mbps (42.45MB/sec); this is obviously an error. on dslreports using IE, the average reading was 204kbps (4 test average).
[Touch HD General] stepw:
Selecting unsupported bands does not accomplish anything. If radio does not work with selected band/network type, it will reset to automatic network detection.
[Touch HD General] RogerMCT:
Did you Try It?

Do you know this for a fact (Did you try it) or are you assuming (Even if it is a correct assumption.) I would like to see this tested on an HD in the US.
[Touch HD General] zoltan35:
I actually tried all the settings in all possible combinations. Does not work :-(
[Touch HD General] RogerMCT:
I don't like you!

Why do you have to go and spoil my day. :(

Well... I think I'm going to buy one anyways. I have a PCMCIA card I can use for my laptop and I just swap the sim back and forth. I can live with EDGE on the phone.

GREAT THREAD
[Touch HD General] zoltan35:
Edge is not bad for what I use it for, but I love the phone and hell with the internet speed. For heavy surfing I have my laptop and desktop :-D

This HD is the best invention since Mom's apple pie!
[Touch HD General] shortcut3d:
I got the HD because I realized after initial usage settles down, lack of 3G won't be that painful. Its a great device. I'll definitely get HTC's next US 3G phone in this form factor. I just hope they bring a variant over here as the US Touch HD 3G and maybe add a photo light for good measure.
[Touch HD General] judicious:
T-Mobile

Is there a reason why the HD doesn't work on the T-Mobile 3g network? T-Mobile supports 1700 and 2100. Wouldnl't the 2100 work on the HD?

How well is the GPS on Edge?
[Touch HD General] Ovrclck:
you will find all your answers in this thread, just start flipping through the pages
[Touch HD General] redrazr7791:
Hey jehlinger, how is the HD working on the T-mobile network for ya? I have a t-mobile store not even 200 ft away from my apartment and am seriously thinking about purchasing the HD from clove. A friend of mine on the At&t network says it is working awesome for him, but i am with sprint and cannot afford to have two really good plans. That is why i am going or leaning towards t-mobile, with the "myfave" thing i can narrow my important people to 5 lol. Let me know how it is running for ya.:cool::D
[Touch HD General] mpf54:
Sounds like a good phone but there will be a new one soon that will work here. After all they make thier money making phones.
[Touch HD General] d.cortez:
and your source of this info (on the new one that will work here)? thanks.
[Touch HD General] michael_r:
Problem running www.mobilespeedtest.com

I tried running that test, but it just stays in "conducting speed test..." forever. Other web sites work just fine. This is in Opera. What am I doing wrong?
[Touch HD General] meanvulcan:
Yah... HTC Mucho-mucho HD HiFi SuperTurbo. With NVidia mobile graphics. 3'8" touchscreen with 1024x768 resolution. 900Ghz CPU. 1GB RAM and 1GB ROM with a 60GB solid-state drive. Quad-band GSM/UMTS with WiMax support. 802.11a/b/g/n. Fingerprint scanner. Windows Mobile 7 (beta, of course) and full Android, user selectable. Optional tear-off receipt printer

Sign me up, laddy! I want me one of those. Like pronto. :D

In the meantime, how do we US-dwellers of modest means and frugal disposition get our hands on some sub-$300 Touch HD? For $300, I'd buy one and not fret about warranty or lack of 3G support in the US. Seriously. Anyone got any distributor friends in Taiwan, Hong Kong, or China? Someone who would persuade HTC to agree to take measly to no profit on a couple of hundred units to pioneer and promote its cause in the US?

I'm in the dog house. I gave in an went to order a Fuze. Except Fuze hasn't been added to the list of approved devices for my employer (for reasons unknown). I am back to my Tilt. It has seen me stray and run after the Fuze and the HD in the most philandering fashion. And now that I've been rejected by both I feel I need to make amends. Maybe buy the Tilt flowers or take it out to dinner :cool:

For those still wondering if they can squeeze more out of the HD in the US than the specs suggest, I have a few words of foolish wisdom:

- If you ain't got the hardware, don't try to compensate with software (ancient Chinese proverb).

- Thou shall not covet your neighbor's phone (a Biblical commandment)

- Making lemonade out of lemons (an ancient Indian proverb referring to the satisfaction of using an inferior phone achieved through meditation and self-control when a more advanced phone is out of reach)

:p
[Touch HD General] Insinr8:
I Just got a response from HTC stating they are expecting to release a NextG version of the HD in Australia. If this is the case and it supports UMTS 850 then I can only imagine that a US version is not so far off as well.
[Touch HD General] Pandemoniumone:
A little confused....

I've read this thread and many others but can't seem to find the answers I'm looking for.

I'm looking into buying a Touch HD. First question is - my carrier is at&t, do I have to buy an unlocked version or will it work if I just switch over the sim card and go?

Second question is if I do need an unlocked version, can I buy one from say the clove technologies site and just unlock it myself?

Thank you so much for any help you're able to give me! :)
[Touch HD General] galaxys:
You need it unlocked for at&t...

Clove's HD's are already unlocked.
[Touch HD General] earistomene:
Clove is where I got my HD :cool:
[Touch HD General] Pandemoniumone:
Thank you for your knowledge Galaxys, very much appreciated!

Can't wait for my HD!!
[Touch HD General] jehlinger:
sorry redrazr, just saw your post. Yes, the HD is working really well on T-mobile. Of course you will not have 3G only EDGE but the speeds I'm getting with it are at the high end of EDGE speeds.

Otherwise, calls are really clear, device seems very stable, it's working well. I recommend it for T-mobile even though no 3G. :D
[Touch HD General] redrazr7791:
thanks for the response buddy, that is all i needed to read.....its done, now i just need to get the phone lol
[Touch HD General] pocketdoc:
I had one for a week. EDGE is just too slow where I live, so I sold it.

I hope that this phone will be the next Android here in the US.

Waiting is the hardest part...
[Touch HD General] ugarhino:
Pocketdoc, where do you live?

How did you like it otherwise?
[Touch HD General] onkolog:
I have HD and ATT

I changed all frequency in the settings and 3G didn't work(((
[Touch HD General] ilordvader:
I have the Fuze works fine & is fast on 3g

I realy feel its not worth buying a Phone

which is just for overseas

hopeing they will come out a new HD for USA

chk ur inbox sent a message :)
[Touch HD General] onkolog:
ilordvader

I saw your message

Who will say something it's software or hardware problem?
[Touch HD General] ilordvader:
Bro HD phone wont support 3g in USA
[Touch HD General] bsw11:
Can someone confirm this?

http://www.intomobile.com/2008/12/19/htc-touch-hd-is-compatible-with-us-3g-frequencies-surprise.html

If this is correct, then we got full 3G - has anyone tried the HD on ATT?
[Touch HD General] d.cortez:
i can confirm as others in this thread and many more have -

NO US 3G, period. EDGE only, period

. :rolleyes:
[Touch HD General] Moony1987:
All I can say is that I've been told that the Touch HD is coming out in Australia, with Telstra, on January the 9th.

Now not a single one of the phones Telstra sell don't support the 850Mhz UMTS band (Telstras "NextG" network). I've been told to 'assume' that the HD will be NextG compatible.

850Mhz Touch HD in a week? We shall see.
[Touch HD General] bsw11:
So why does the manual say it has the 3g band? Could this be a slightly newer model of the Touch?

The seller on EBAY swears it will work on 3G in the States - yet I assume you have the unit and have tried it - very strange.
[Touch HD General] d.cortez:
i have the unit, i'm using it daily and it doesn't work on at&t's US 3G bands, period. i encourage you to question the seller - some more - and have them provide solid evidence to confirm their statement. point them to xda-developers and use it to challenge their 3G statement. if in the end you believe the seller, buy the phone... if US 3G works for you then you'll be on to something, for sure! and those of us who desire US 3G on our HD's will have hope!:)
[Touch HD General] bsw11:
Well that is definitive! Thanks I already started a dialog, and will let you know what I find out. It is such a shame for this mess. What is really dumb is Sprint and Verizon, you would think they would have enough sense to insist on a CDMA version, as this is their only hope of competing with the iphone.
[Touch HD General] amruthwo:
Moony1987 is onto the best chance we have:

http://www.intomobile.com/2008/12/19/htc-touch-hd-is-compatible-with-us-3g-frequencies-surprise.html

cross your fingers fellas, i know i'm going to!
[Touch HD General] ~~Tito~~:
So its seems like its either or. You either have 2100 and 900mhz, or 850mhz and 1900. . .hmmmm we need someone brave enough to open up a HD and have a direct line to the MoBo itself and just mess with it untill they can get a solution on how to make a software solution. HTC why didn't you just enable it in the first place, we all ready know that at&t is not going to get it. Just make another hotfix and we will all be happy.
[Touch HD General] Chuteboxe39:
so i'm confused, the manual states that 3G is possible in the states, but can someone explain to me why we can't utilize it ?
[Touch HD General] technillion:
Dude...don't believe everything you read!

..especially if HTC printed it.

http://www.wmexperts.com/articles/a_usbound_touch_hd_not_so_much.html
[Touch HD General] Turb0wned:
The excuse is always a "misprint." I think is could be enabled. But before anything can be tried we need to find a way to security unlock it so maybe we can try the radio out of a american diamond?
[Touch HD General] technillion:
Not again...

I bought the EU Touch Pro and waited for months and months for the ROM update to enable the US 3G bands. It never happened! I don't blame the Cooks here as they are the best in the world...but I do blame HTC for releasing misleading info about the 3G bands available (i.e. hidden) in the TP.

I'm not holding my breath this time around for the HD...so GOOD LUCK with that.
[Touch HD General] Ovrclck:
anything new regarding the Aussie version?