yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] tempests:
First NO ONE said you had to pay for anything:eek:

I think I can explain the process of starting out excited and wanting to do everything for free. Then in time, we get disallusioned, because it becomes expected by most and more of a job:

We start out creating something we are excited about and only want the recognition and maybe a little fame that goes with it. Then the frustration starts with pushy people, expecting everything they want, in our program or service. There is also that person that feels they expect and deserve what we are doing and they get mad, when we decide to either slow down or even quit. Lastly there are those that want to blame us for every little problem they think we caused them. So in the end, to keep the sanity level going, we want to charge or not do it any more. But we realize that charging a fee is not the proper way to go and we really don't want to let our fans down. So we start asking for donations. Some gladly give. While most of the others feel resentment and think "this is suppose to be free" and "why do we have to pay, when this is a hobby", to, (my favorite) "you are just experimenting with this and don't really know anything about it, after all it's not anything official".

Programming anything correctly takes hours and sometimes days. It takes time away from many other things they could be doing, including working and making money. The authors are not expecting to get rich. They are just looking for something to make them feel it is still worth it. So even if someone donates a dollar (oh wait "I'm to poor right now to donate, but I will soon" <--- from the person that has a cellphone and plan and an internet plan), the author feels better.

Now lets focus on NFSFAN. How long has he been creating these ROMs? Are you using them and feel they are making your phone better? Does he even have a Vogue any more, which was probably the main reason he started to cook a Vogue ROM in the first place? He may be thinking about dropping the Vogue kitchen and focusing on his new HTC PRO. I can't blame him. It's the normal process that people who participate in forums do. We get something new and move on.

If kicking in a few buck, once in a while, keeps him cooking, (after all we expect this), then it is worth it.

There are many other custom ROMs for the Vogue, so we all have a choice of which one we want to use. I chose NFSFAN's ROM, because it's the only one I've used, (I've tried them all, even my own), that I have had 100% success with. So if a few bucks, once in a while, keeps him cooking then it's worth it. And if I purchase a new model phone, like the Pro, I will probably move on. So let's try to keep him here a while longer.

I remember Netscape, Norton Anti Virus, McAffee Anti Virus and many more programs use to be free, but are not any more. They asked for donations in the beginning as well.

Sorry for the long post.
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] 2Sancho:
Smart Comments

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Originally Posted by jake044

no offense nfsfan, but why do we have to donate in order to support the development? its not like it costs money to cook roms...:eek:

dont get me wrong i LOVE your roms but why do we have to pay for something thats free? :eek:

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BOOOO -Tomato throwing 3X-

I dare you to cook one ROM yourself and throubleshoot it until it's working 100% smooth and bugfree.

I Rest My Case...
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] DWC316:
AMEN Temp!!!! Couldn't have put it any better;)
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] eugene2007:
Audio Manager finger scrolling

Can someone post the audiomanager.exe from the latest release v13? I didn't want to update to the new version just yet but I'd like to see if I can get the finger scrolling working. Thanks!!!
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] fwaits:
It's free because he put's in the time and effort to make it a reality for you and I to download and use. Just because it costs him no money to put together doesn't mean he HAS to continue doing it. If you feel you can make an equal or better product, then do it yourself. Obviously you don't because you value your time doing other things, well then respect his time and don't make it sound like it's worth nothing. If you can't afford to donate that's one thing, but don't sit there and question why someone should spend time on something for you when he doesn't even do it for himself. He uses a Touch Pro nowadays...
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] justjosh0368:
NFSFAN if you get Manilla 2.6 on v14 you will be the most beastly person ever. Just letting you know ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) :D :D :D :D :D
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] cbaty08:
Dang, that in his hands this early.............. he'd HAVE to be an inside man... eh!? lol

YOU ROCK NFS.
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] Jacklad:
This should help with housing

First, yes, it's a little tricky - Below is a link to a little tutorial I found that was really helpful - you have to be super patient and pay attention when you take the thing apart cause you gotta get it back together - make sure if you buy a new housing it is for your EXACT model - I found one without the digitizer (the touch screen) but did make for more dicey work for me - I actually screwed up another phone by breaking a ribbon cable - get it with the digitizer, some of the work will already be done - it's really not that bad - good luck

http://mikechannon.net/PDF Manuals/OSeven's Disassembly Guide to the HTC Touch - Elf .pdf
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] fwaits:
Yeah I used that guide on mine a long time ago when I broke my LCD. Decided to go with the black housing since I had to tear it apart to change out the LCD panel anyway. Good guide. As he said make sure you get a VOGUE (CDMA) housing and not an Elf (GSM) version as they are subtly different and will likely give you problems.
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] fixxxer2008:
not to be funny but please don't beg for $$.
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] jake044:
+1. thats not a request,

thats a statement
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] Morpheus Phreak:
He's not begging, he asked politely.

If you don't like it I do believe you know where you can go.

btw to join in the douchebaggery...hey jake044, nice non-working link in your signature there.
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] nayr2:
Just donated $10. Your 6.5 roms have breathed more life into my phone than a brand new one could.

Looking forward to the latest 'sys' updates and everything else you've got!
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] fwaits:
If you don't like it, then don't donate. If people think his work is worth the money and they have the means, they will donate, if not, then they won't. Who cares if he asks or not. You guys are trolling, go away.
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] Wikky:
What's the big deal with sending a donation in. $2.00 / $5.00 / $10.00 for a kick ass ROM, GPS and a wonderful gadget in your pocket. How many $$$$ have you tossed away at the bar. Giving the pretty little beer girl an extra twoonie for looking all sexy. (she's getting paid) How many cups of coffee have you bought over the years. (they're getting paid). How many times have you dropped $70.00 for a new game, that will cost $30.00 used in two months.

Tethered internet connection - save you how much money?

Not needing to upgrade phones - save you how much money?

A buck or two doesn't seem like much to me, but I know if a few people are sending in the same... then we can continue to drool over new ROMS. I like drooling. (sometimes the beer girls see me drooling tho)
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] blaudick:
No doubt, I say we drop the whole talk about it and get back to why this forum is here: To help each other with our Touch (oh baby);)
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] MrFouZ:
It's really a weird bug... when the phone reset, I have to run the first time use setup and I have to reconfigure everything. My storage card was also wiped out...

:(

I really need a solution or a way to pin point what's going on... It was working #1 before.
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] jmitr:
Dang that sucks!!!!!!!

Another lost dev, what's your main device now and what are you planning on switching to?

Gonna have to buy a new phone at this rate.

P.S. You were born the same year I graduated high school!!!!!!! :D That's funny.

I'd love to talk you into staying but you and NFSFAN have done so much for the Vogue I've always thought "man, if this is the last ROM it's still an awesome one". It sucks to lose you (on the Vogue) but thank you for all you've done for this community.
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] antinerd:
Keeping up with the Jones'

I’d follow you guys and drop the Vogue in a heartbeat just to stay current, except I’m with Bell Mobility and presently have the most awesome unlimited data deal known to man. I got in on the $7/month unlimited data, but the only windows mobile phone this deal is available on is the Vogue. So my dilemma - follow the ROM gods to a new device and spent a heck of a lot more for data every month, or hope and pray that Vogue development continues.

If any Bell users successfully jumped to a cool new device and kept the ridiculously cheap data plan, I’d love to hear how, as I can’t figure out how to do it.
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] jake044:
lets see, im only 17 so i cant go to the bar, i dont own a game console so i dont waste my $$ on games so...

and why would i waste money on roms?

its like paying for oxygen..it doesnt make any sense..
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] Morpheus Phreak:
Sounds like you've already identified your problem...a lack of sense.

Wait until you actually have to pay your own way in this world, and then come back and tell us that your time isn't worth something.

All these little kids and their, "I'm a big boy because I'm in my teens and I know everything," makes me wanna vomit.

Wait until you've got at least another decade or so under your belt, have been married, had to provide for someone besides yourself, and have felt the pressure of a huge financial squeeze as all of your assets devalue themselves, leading you to work massive amounts of overtime just to not lose everything.

When you've lived life and experienced even a fraction of that then come back and see how you feel if someone treats you like your time isn't valuable.

Your ability to create analogies also isn't very apt. I think perhaps a semester or so of actually paying attention in class might benefit you.

You would actually learn that a humans work and effort is not quite the same thing as a renewable natural resource. After all...the time we humans expend isn't renewable...once it's done it doesn't regenerate itself. That's why our time on this planet has value...it is finite.
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] PatcheZ:
Actually, we bell customer's are pretty screwed right now. dosen't look like they'll have any "new" smart phones as they are waiting for the big push when HSPA comes out (6 months - 2 yrs?). Best to encourage (and donate) NFSFAN to continue to support the vogue

I hate Bell sometimes... no wait... most of the time... except that damn unlimited internet.
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] plemen:
He's not begging - he encouraged a donation. Considering the quality of his ROMS and how much they've extended the usability of our devices I don't see why anybody should have an issue donating a few bucks. You and Jake044 obviously don't appreciate the value of someones time... really pathetic to see this bad attitude and lack of respect in his thread.

Honestly you both have probably encouraged more of the appreciative folks here to donate. Thanks for that.
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] Detroit_Doug:
ENOUGH ALREADY!!!

damn, no one, NO ONE is demanding or mandating ANY donation what so ever WTF is so difficult to understand about that already ...

This constant back and forth over this issue is stupid and a total waste of posting space and hopefully a Mod will delete the lot of them already .

There is NO special link for those that donate, there is no password for those that donate, there is no special version for those that donate - if you can and want to then donate, if you cant or dont want to then dont, its a damn simple as that and this ongoing debate over it just shows how simple those whining and continuing the discussion are that they cant get it through their skulls that it is a FREE DAMN ROM

got it now? its FREE FREE FREE so shut the F up about it already ...

If you want to see the development of a vogue ROM from NFSFAN to continue and want to show some appreciation for his personal time he could easily be doing anything else like having a life, spending time in his college studies, getting drunk, laid, stoned, whatever instead of developing for the Vogue then toss a couple bucks his way, if you dont care then dont send him anything, it is NOT required just appreciated and remember the vogue is NOT his primary phone anymore, any development is done for personal pleasure as well as in appreciation for those that support him and his work on it - spend your personal time developing and working a ROM over and over spending hour after hour of your personal time for a device you dont use anymore and see how long YOU do it (from the sound of most of you whiners, not a flat second as most have never even looked up on how to create a ROM let alone have attempted it or you wouldnt complain so damn much)

Detroit Doug
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] tempests:
Isn't it possible to take some GSM unlocked phones and get them to work on Bell?

Also this phone looks pretty kick butt:

http://www.bell.ca/shopping/en_CA_ON.Samsung-Omnia/67865.details

You also have the option of the Touch Diamond and Pro. They are both nice phones. I could care less about the keyboard but I like the pro better because of the card slot. It seems Bell offers the same phones as most other carriers, or at least compared to what Sprint offers.

You actually have it better than some other carriers. Sprint comes out with a new phone and immediately removes the older models. Bell is still offering the Touch and Touch Dual. And they are free to new customers.
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] tempests:
Very well said!:)

Everyone's bored here lurking, waiting, drooling, hoping for that new ROM, because we just got excited for 30 minutes about the last version and our lives are worthless and meaningless, unless we get a new version right away.:rolleyes: It doesn't matter that we don't even actually know whether the last version works 100% correctly or not, we just want a new one. It's the Never Ending Story:confused:

On a lighter note, what does "WTF" and "F" mean? I'm guessing WTF means "Wait Till Friday" and F stands for face?;)
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] Detroit_Doug:
LOL

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot is a "Military" term much like FUBAR (google search can be your friend as I am sure the Mods wouldnt care for the definition ;)

and as for the lone "F" - see above in both acronyms via google but if it makes nice, Friday or Face is OK as well LOL

Detroit Doug
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] platup:
GREAT! Then you have time to develop ROMs. I expect one from you next week. I won't be paying you anything for your time and trouble, because... well oxygen is free. However, I will pester you everyday for the next 2 years for a new ROM. Also, if there are any bugs, I will probably bash you on other forums. But this is great that you have volunteered your time, effort and hardware.

Wow, that took a while to type, is jake044 v1 ready yet?
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] eugene2007:
I know I've asked already but can someone with v13 installed please post the audiomanager.exe? I'm not sure if it's this simple but I'd like to see if it solves the finger scrolling issue on the pre-v13 version. I have too much stuff installed on my phone and was trying to avoid updating again.

Thanks in advance!!!
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] fwaits:
Can a mod just ban this retard for trolling? I mean really...
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] plemen:
Sadly those phones are considered "PDA" phones and don't qualify for the cheaper unlimited data. The Vogue is still the best device with unlimited data.
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] Jacklad:
Good Idea

But can "mod" mean assassin and "ban" mean murder? "Retard" should still mean retard...
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] DWC316:
ok, SDconfig.txt can be your friend. do a search for it on here and you will learn how to automatically install all your cab files while the customizations run, hope this helps ya;)
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] amad99:
x2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] bobzero:
x3

But I don't think Bell will ever do it, they want us all to move on and pay for a "real" data plan.
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] 2Sancho:
Just Do It

or can they at least change his name from Jake044 to JackASS, so nobody spends money/time typing extra characters.
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] NFSFAN:
V14 is almost near completion. Still testing out a few things. It should be released at the end of this week; saturday/sunday.
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] justjosh0368:
Manila 2.6? please tell me that will be in it!
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] football0552:
Well he did hint that it had some stuff from Leo... which I would GUESS is 2.6 SO therefore maybe, possibly, you could be getting your wish.

BTW NFSFAN, how do you manage to get the new stuff so quickly?
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] fixxxer2008:
manilla 2.6 looks damn nice but i bet it runs sorta slow on the vogue? ill download v14 after about a week, i want to see if it has any issues or bugs in it first.

as far as my comment yesterday about him asking for donations, i didn't mean to be an a** i just sorta felt like he is making this a job and wants to be paid. there is a thread about this subject over at ppcgeeks, that's why i chimed in over here. i love his roms but i won't pay for them myself. i already bought my phone and that's enough IMO.

by the way his roms are the best i've used and i plan on using them until i upgrade my vogue to the hero or pre in november. :D
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] PatcheZ:
Of the 3 major carriers right now, only Rogers is using GSM. maybe when bell and telus get their joint HSPA system up we might be able to use unlocked phones... if they let us

getting old... same with the Touch Diamond and Pro... especially since they've already released a couple newer upgraded Omnia phones, Touch Diamond and Pro 2.

No one really wants older phones when other carriers have newer phones.

At least Sprint ALREADY carries the Palm Pre, with the Touch Pro 2 coming in Sept, and HTC HERO!!!! coming out in Oct.

I so jealous...

um... i thought manilla 2.6 was for touchflow3d2...
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] fixxxer2008:
2.6 is for touchflo3d unless nfsfan ported it in which case it won't run the same.
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] PatcheZ:
lol... and likely VGA too.

I'm going to have to agree... slim chance of it coming to the vogue

Oh yeah... for those of you who haven't tried Mega's ezinput 2.1, it looks really nice with smarter t9 ... but runs slow (ie. it can't keep up with your typing), and buttons are smaller on the compact qwerty (only qwerty and compact qwerty)
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] SL:
You may want to stick with the stock rom.

Oxygen is not free. That is why we are having problems with the warming effect, etc etc. We abused it and so are you! You think everybody owes you.
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] tempests:
Everyone is entitled to have their opinion. I bet you will be one of the first to bash, when something doesn't work right.

No problem though, as the world wouldn't be what it is if we didn't have at least a couple of freeloaders. :rolleyes:
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] tempests:
Well then CDMA would be way easier. Unlock one, call Bell and do an ESN swap, unless they don't do that? I'm use to Sprint. They don't care what CDMA phone you use, once you have an account. I'm swapping phones all the time.
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] NFSFAN:
Didn't ask anyone to pay me. I said if people want to donate and if they can, don't hesitate. I have absolutely interest in supporting a device which I don't use anymore. If you were in my shoes, I don't think its too much to ask for a few bucks when you spend 40+ hours to come up with a release.
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] godgives:
Im new here and as such I havent donated! Heck I've only had the phone for 2 days so I'm not even really sure what rom im going to stick with. Im running the v13 rom now and its great. A tad slow but it sure beats everthing else ive tried and believe me in the past two days Ive seen my share of rainbow screens. I myself would not donate to anyone for just one rom, Im looking to donate to someone that is going to always take it a step further. So when v14 comes out I WILL DONATE, but its not v14 im paying for. Im acctually paying for v15 when I recieve v14. Theres nothing wrong with giving a little incentive to someone to continue doing a good job. So I just would like to say to JAKE, thankyou for helping me to choose to donate, and thankyou for posting.

Yes thankyou, because there is no such thing as a useless post. Weather it be rain or shine, educational or intertainment purposes. What else would we be doing while we wait.

Oh and I live in Los angeles so paying for air isnt so far fetched. People pay for Ionic breeze machines all the time, air filters. People pay to even have their air cooled. Havent you watched space balls before??

But 17 and modding phones is pretty damn smart!! You ever had a girlfriend?
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] PatcheZ:
for bell, the phone must be a bell phone. don't think they'd let me keep my unlimited internet if switched to a bell touch diamond/pro from ebay

lol, might as well switch carriers and get a new phone.

(and yes, bell seems very backwards and restrictive)
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] socrate007:
Basically, it's pretty simple to understand:

NFSFAN is letting us know that he might stop developing for vogue if it is not worth of his time anymore. It is up to us to do what we feel is necessary to keep development for the vogue going...

You don't have to donate. Just don't cry when NFSFAN tells us he stops developing ROMs for the vogue.

If you see a lot of encouragement from members asking you to donate to NFSFAN, it is simply because they want NFSFAN to keep doing this.
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] 2002wrex:
why when i download the sprint provisioning cab for the v13 and then install it tells me the cab was designed for an older version of WM and may not work properly? am i downloading the wron cab file? because it doesnt seem to work on my phone...