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[XPERIA X1 General] Rodin69:
And since when do Sony Ericsson actually deliver what they promise? ;)

Well, I totally agree with the video quality. It's very poor, and I find QVGA mode being a lot better than VGA. I remember on the P990 one of the key features was video recording in high quality (which in their opinion obviously was 320 x 240 @ 15 fps). But after a couple of months that feature kind of disappeared from Sony Ericssons site. The sound and image wasn't very well synced.

At least the synchronization is good now on the X1, as far as I can tell. I really hope they manage to do something about the VGA mode recording.

And as you said, I have paid for a device that should be able to do a lot of different things beside making calls on. Video recording being one of them.

I wish they could have put the money and effort they used on the fish panel (key feature!?) to instead made other things better.

But I still like the phone. I haven't found as many bugs in a month as I found the first two days with my P990. :)

Regards,

Michael
[XPERIA X1 General] DOMin8or:
sorry, we don`t talk about p990 phones. (it`s completely other hardware and other os. (symbian))

we talk about the most actual (windows) phone on the market. and one of the

most expensiv phones.

and they promised it in the preview movies and internet spots.

they promise filming @30 fps. (so i`ve guess, 30 fps in all light situations... lol)

(and i`ve guess, the movies are lookable without headache. LOL)

why do you talk about 320x240 resolutions? today is hdtv actual....

its near 2009, my friend. not 2007 ;-)

i`ve already bought the sanyo hd1000 and sony tg3. both 1080i devices.

so it`s not to high excepted, that the actual sony flagship can film like

a f*ckn`old nookia n95 in simple vga res. with hardware codec.
[XPERIA X1 General] norti:
It's a phone. Not a videocamera. I don't like the photo and video features in all phones, because they are phones and are not meant to be high-end capturing devices. If you believe everything that marketing says you're just their guy to buy a phone at this high price. I pay the price for the build quality and other high-end functions in the phone not for the announced hi-fi feelings.
[XPERIA X1 General] DOMin8or:
and what is a nokia n95? imho a phone, too?!

if i would have a phone only, i can save a lot of money and spend it to a cheaper device.

but sony offering nice video capabilitys, than sony must bring this feature.

it`s not impossible. other 'phones' with good cam functions are available.

i search an all in one device, and i`m paying a lot of money for this piece`s of sh1t

i have got a hd cam, too. but it`s in real life unuseful. the phone is by the man, all the time :-)

and to enhance the audio samplerate, isn`t really a problem. but why don`t they do this?

this could compensate a bit, the horrible videocaptures. try audio notes, sample

in cd quality and compare the sound to the captured movies. :-)

the x1`s sound quali with 8khz is poooooooor. 2004-2005 style. like first phones with cam.

and the vid quali is not equal, but comparable to my good old nokia 6233. (vga with a lot of stuttering. but my old 6233 has got better sound sample quality)
[XPERIA X1 General] Rodin69:
Yes, I know. I am talking about the Xperia too. The reason I mentioned the P990 was to explain how Sony Ericsson works. They promise a lot, but don't deliver more than half of it.

I agree. I am very disappointed at Sony Ericsson at this point.
[XPERIA X1 General] Rodin69:
Well, that is your point of view. You say it is a phone, but still you buy it to get "other high-end functions". So that means your opinion is that the camera is not important, but the other functions are? Who decides which functions should be considered important and not?

If a manufacturer claims their product can do certain things, shouldn't you and I as consumers trust this to be true? Or should we expect some things not to work?

Regards,

Michael
[XPERIA X1 General] toxical:
after all you are paying alot more money for this than you would for a good digital camera and a reasonable Phone with WiFi and stuff like that, so it should be pretty damn good in every respect...

2 things make this even worse:

- the N95 hardware can do this and is 2 years old and cheap to get

- Sony uses their name for this HTC device, being a producer of really good cameras

Its not that its anywhere near impossible on such a phone these days, they just werent willing to put the right effort into it. Of course its a phone and has many other features, but what we discuss here is video capturing.
[XPERIA X1 General] norti:
First of all: Sony Ericsson is not equal to Sony. Sony Ericsson is a mobile phone and accessories manufacturing company while Sony is an entertainment device man. co. But SE is also a collaboration between Sony and Ericsson: Sony delivers the design and brand together with the hardware and software delivered by Ericsson. While Sony won't do anything to the software part of the phone, Ericsson won't touch anything in the design. So please do not compare a SE phone to a Sony video recording device, it is two different world. And yes, you can, because with time all the new functions go to the mobile market too. But this is not that time when it is already available for entertainment devices, it will be adopted much later.

Second: there is only one retail firmware version out there, so SE has time to correct all the bugs in the software. I think the quality of the images and videos taken by the X1 is more than acceptable for a WM phone (do not compare this with a phone targeted for video recording or photo making). You can always find other devices with one or more function better. It's the evolution. I only hope that SE won't cut and do a full support for this phone (and not as it was the case with P990 and M600). The direct phone line support shows us hope :)

Separate the two: manufacturer states in marketing and what the device does. You can argue with everything and take legal action against the company, you won't have a perfect device. Do not believe in advertisements and marketing, stay on the ground. The X1 CAN DO photos and CAN DO videos, no one stated D-SLR quality pictures and HD videos.

Wrong! I'm paying the money for a converged device (in this case for a high-end phone) NOT for a good digital camera with phone functions. It is the opposite. Yes, the N95 can do better videos. Guess what? Buy that one and leave behind all the other functions existing in the X1.

Sony uses their name and put the design together, but HTC is the ODM for the phone. You can blame HTC or Qualcomm for the less quality in digital components, not SE. Or you have the choice not to buy it, buy other entertainment phone lacking functions you will hopefully not need.
[XPERIA X1 General] DOMin8or:
the n95 its not a photo phone only/spezially. it was produced

as exactly that, that what a x1 is.

a private personal assistand with all possible functions 2007

it has got ....

g-sensor

very good stereo speakers. (why the x1 doesnt have this? high quality dvd like video, but monosound?)

internet things like youtube, rss, internetradio,....

bt, wifi

tv out

fm radio

tomtom

led lamp. (more powerful)

gps

slider

video/photo cam

programs under symbian

h264 hardware

....all the things, the x1 got, but 2 years ago and BETTER.

the difference is the alphanumeric keyboard.

and why does htc not update their cams or spend a hardware codec to the phone(s)?

i will spend 20 more bucks. thats peanuts. but i want to have the functions.

the x1 is a great all in one device. i like its keyboard. very useful!

but why they don`t spend

stereo speakers

g-sensor

tv-out

vid cap @30 fps in all conditions

this features are available since 2007 and today available, 'on the die' (higly integrated in combi modules)

a top product, should have top up to date features.

the x1 is a renamed and optical redesigned htc raphael with x-panel software and a x-panel named key

and missing g-sensor and missing tv-out (like raphael).

sorry. but thats the facts

but why they spend raphael a g-sensor + tv out, and x1 not?

is the x1 a DOWNGRADE??? where is the magnetic pen with intelligent windows start gone?

====================

a working cam would be a little consolation for the missing features.

the results of the missing h264 chip are present, not only while recording.

take a look to the demo movies. (use inbuild player, use core player)

the movies are in good resolution, but the resulution will slow down the framerate.

its not a pleasure to look movies at a variable fps, around 20-30 fps.

how much will nokia pay for this h264 chip, in 100.000 orders?

why htc couldn`t do this?
[XPERIA X1 General] Wishmaster89:
Are you sure it has h264 hardware? AFAIK it has only mpeg4 hardware and only n96 has h264 hardware...
[XPERIA X1 General] Rodin69:
What exactly do you mean by high-end phone? A device having a lot of features on the paper? And where exactly do you draw the line for which functions are acceptable to not work as stated?

Let's say the clock never showed the right time. It wouldn't be a big deal, because it has a clock as stated. And after all it is a phone, not a watch, so it doesn't matter if the clock work as long as it is there. If you need to know the time you can just buy a wristwatch.

And if the MMS application can only show text. It doesn't matter, beacuse it's a phone. Not a picture viewer. If I want to see pictures I can buy a mediaplayer like iPod Touch or something.

So... Who decides which functions are important? I don't understand the defending of features that doesn't work.

The white papers says VGA @ 30 fps. But VGA recording on the phone is more or less useless.

Regards,

Michael
[XPERIA X1 General] dinan:
I have to agree the video is worse than I was expecting. I think they can fix it rather easily, by not packing it into a 3gp file and using such an aggressive compression method.

When I record videos on my N95, they look a lot better, but mainly because the file sizes are much larger and have less compression.

I hope SE gives us the option to record at a lower compression in a future update... or someone hacks it =)
[XPERIA X1 General] DOMin8or:
sorry i don`t know it exactly, that n95 has got a hardware codec.

but in my mind the n95 has got only 330 mhz cpu.

i don`t believe that 330 mhz is enough, to encode h264 as the n95 does.

so i guess, its a hardware codec. however, n95 works, x1 not.

nokiaport.de/n95info/index.php?id=processor

there is a blockdiagram. the cam is connected only with serial/parallel bus.

no info about the cam and the transmitted data.

but look into the middle. on the die is a image video accelerator (iva)(h264 hardware?!) + 2d/3d acc.

today i was at rhein river in sundown situation.

the photos are good, if you stay 100% stable. but the smallest movement

will result in horrible blur effects.

(exactly the effects while filming. its because the shutter speed(lightning time) of the subminiature camera.mini lens = long lighting..)
[XPERIA X1 General] DOMin8or:
some photos today.... :-(

take a look to the original untouched photos, taken today.

dirki.de/x1/DSC_0025.jpg

dirki.de/x1/DSC_0026.jpg

dirki.de/x1/DSC_0027.jpg

dirki.de/x1/DSC_0028.jpg

dirki.de/x1/DSC_0029.jpg

dirki.de/x1/DSC_0030.jpg

dirki.de/x1/DSC_0031.jpg

(i`v tried to hold the cam as stable as possible.)

but hold in mind, this photos are taken in low light situations.

in daylight situations, the quality is MUCH! better.

but, its not 24h`s a day sun on the sky.

real life situations don`t ask me, if the light is bright enough. :-)

and the time between pressing key ....

and defacto, the photo will taken... 2-3 sek later.absolutely impossible

to capture a situation, or feeling.
[XPERIA X1 General] rudo3:
samples

could you pls make some video samples (try to make them in as good as possible, means during daylight, in nice weather, etc.). as a last chance for Xperia.

because video recording was the main reason I waited for Xperia. for what was said in this thread I'm going to buy MDA Vario IV next week.

thx, rudo
[XPERIA X1 General] toxical:
You obviously dont know much about SE. They have lots of very good Camera and Walkman phones, namely the K (derived from the Cybershot Digital Cameras made by Sony) and W (for Walkman stuff) Series. The K800i or K810i for example takes really excellent pictures with a 3 megapixel camera which are alot better than the X1s and that thing is over 2 years old and can be bought for about 100 bucks or something. The video recording on the K800i isnt even far behind the X1 given that its ALOT slower in terms of hardware, thats how bad it is really.

So for me, there is absolutly no excuse to give us such a horrible quality in their most high end multimedia product.
[XPERIA X1 General] toxical:
hi rudo3, i made a small sample video for you, grab it here:

http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/164421/x1-video-sample.zip

was a bit cloudy today, but i think that doesnt matter too much. Try to play it back in its original res and you will see how blurry the whole picture is.
[XPERIA X1 General] rudo3:
To Toxical

thank you very much for your effort. definitely the best sample.

you both (with DOMin8or) were right. I just don't understand SE with this policy of deciding which feature is not important (same with C905). high end devices should have the best features market/company has to offer.

still, your video proves capture quality of Xperia is better then Vario IV/Touch Pro.

(As a long time - 12 years - loyal Ericsson/SE customer) I have two options (to replace my current MDA Vario II and k810i) now:

A> SE C905 (for photo/primary mobile phone) and Xperia (for work/inferior video recording/secondary phone)

B> LG Renoir (for photo/superior video recording/primary mobile phone) and Vario IV (for work/secondary phone)

hard decision (for next two years) ?
[XPERIA X1 General] DOMin8or:
tomorrow (daylight) i will take same videos with htc diamond and xperia x1.

you will see, its the same. but in daylight it`s acceptable.

but i said in an other post.....

most time you got no optimal light situations.

indoor filming, from dusk till dawn filming, cloudy sky, at party

thats real life :-)
[XPERIA X1 General] toxical:
@rudo3

id just go for the X1 + a good digital camera for 100 bucks that easily fits your pocket like the Casio Exilim series.
[XPERIA X1 General] DOMin8or:
exilim is a good example for the 500% better devices. i`ve tested a 770? i dont remember exactly.

but i don`t want to wear 2 devices, in two pockets, with two (most time discharged) batteries.... :-)

i want one device with a discharged battery :-))

but i am selling phone batterys, so its no problem to wear a second battery.

its much smaller, than a second device. and secondarely, ALL IN ONE RULEZ. :-))

and i beleave, if htc would spend 50 bucks more to the components (g-sensor/5-8mpx cam/2nd speaker/tv-out/h264 hardware, 2nd flash light led or one with more power.side effect, red eye reduction :-) if the 2nd led is as far as possible from the 1st led),

all up to date features could be realized.

i give 100 bucks more, if the cam is minimal better than n95`s.

but i thought, i gave already 100 bucks more, compared to other devices.... for my X1 .... LOOOOOL
[XPERIA X1 General] p3ngwin:
all of these videos are in .3GP format, which is giving the expected quality of the codec.

where are the videos recorded in H.263 & H.264 ?

i haven't seen ONE video yet of the superior quality (with larger filesize) that thee codecs give.

anyone have any video samples with the better codecs please?
[XPERIA X1 General] DOMin8or:
there is NO option to change the codec, like htc diamond`s cam application. :-(

(.... or i didn`t find it :-) )
[XPERIA X1 General] p3ngwin:
well that's strange, Sony clearly state in their white papers that it supports H.263 and H.264.

either:

1)they don't know HOW to do it.

2)they want to, but they haven't finished the ROM that can do it

3) they will never do it and they were lying all along.

if they don't follow through on this recording ability for those codecs, i foresee another class action suite against them like against HTC.
[XPERIA X1 General] toxical:
3GP is not a codec but a container format. 3GP files can be encoded with MPEG4 or H.263/H.264.

In this case its MPEG4 though and i dont know how to change it, if its possible at all.
[XPERIA X1 General] p3ngwin:
damn, that's true. haven't had much experience with the .3GP stuff and can barley remember it's details apart from the quality associated with it and Apple's involvment over the years.

So we still have no way to get H.26X recording.

bugger.

the quality of the .3GP files are good for what they are, but we KNOW the X1i can do soooo much better, i'm simply itching to see some higher bitrate quality recordings :(

How about one of us simply contact Sony and ask about it?
[XPERIA X1 General] toxical:
If you think that you will get an answer to a uncomfortable question, then go ahead. I dont think we would hear anything from them on this.

Besides i still dont know if its only a software issue, maybe the tiny lens and video hardware just isnt capable of more. After all the Nokia N95 uses MPEG4 too and the quality is alot better.

Is the H.264 support you read about meant to be for video recording at all? I believe their media panel player is able to play H.264 but that has nothing todo with video compression for the camera.
[XPERIA X1 General] p3ngwin:
here's the sony developer's page to download the white paper on the X1.

just enter the captcha and download.

https://developer.sonyericsson.com/getDocument.do?docId=100340

then go to the ENTERTAINMENT and also the KEY FEATURES chapters to see the following:

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

(under KEY FEATURES chapter)

​

Video capture

The camera also records video and which are stored in the phone or on a memory card. A video clip can

be shared with friends or family as a picture message or e-mail, or using any available transfer method,

such as Bluetooth™. The phone supports VGA size video recording at up to 30 frames per second.

• MPEG-4: 30fps at VGA*

• H.263: 30fps at VGA*

• H.264: 15fps at VGA*

*X1a model supports MPEG4, H.263 24fps encoding at QVGA only and not H.264

(under ENTERTAINMENT chapter)

​

SERVICE

Video Encoding

FORMATS

MP4,

AMR-NBSimple Profile,

H.263 Profile 0,

H.264 Baseline*

EXTENTIONS

.3GP

*X1a model does not support H.264
[XPERIA X1 General] toxical:
ah ok, well i wonder how to change it then
[XPERIA X1 General] p3ngwin:
:)

this is why i think it may well be justified to ask SONY about an advertised feature that appears to be missing from their product.

if it's not forthcoming.....CLASS ACTION here we go again :(
[XPERIA X1 General] DOMin8or:
the pictures in low light conditions are very very blury.

the video isn`t better. :-) (this cause of required lighting time for the ccd chip and the micro lenses, imho)

i hope on a dramaticly driver update, too.

hopeness will never die. but the truth is, there is no driver update next time

same like htc orbit. good hardware, but no (well) working drivers.
[XPERIA X1 General] twosix:
imo, the camera is the weakest point of the X1. I have problem taking pictures that are not blur. The video recording although at VGA 30fps is blocky when panning or capturing fast scenes. The bitrate is simple too low. If only the camera can match that of the N95 8GB.... hmmm...
[XPERIA X1 General] rudo3:
new vids (original files)...

http://www.semania.cz/public/Chroust/XPERIA_soubory/pri chuzi.3gp

http://www.semania.cz/public/Chroust/XPERIA_soubory/sluchatka na stole.3gp

http://www.semania.cz/public/Chroust/XPERIA_soubory/krizovatka.3gp

http://www.semania.cz/public/Chroust/XPERIA_soubory/vlak.3gp

http://www.semania.cz/public/Chroust/XPERIA_soubory/zahrada.3gp
[XPERIA X1 General] p3ngwin:
well this is par for lower bitrate codecs, but where the hell is the PROMISED h.263/4 recording ability?

seriously, i don't even WANT an X1, but i DO want camcorder tech to get done as well as the hardware allows, why the hell are these devices getting crippled all the time??
[XPERIA X1 General] DOMin8or:
simply press 'pause' and take a closer look to the pictures.

the bitrate is too low. and very undetailed. compare it to a sanyo digicam @vga.

i am a lazy guy, but elsewhere in future i take compare vids.

i am not complete healthy yet. and its very cold outside :-)
[XPERIA X1 General] DOMin8or:
i`ve taken a report of one of these sample vids.

FILE_NAME pri chuzi.3gp

FILE_NAME_WITH_PATH T:\x1 video xdadevs testen\pri chuzi.3gp

FILE_SIZE 818,783

CONT_AUDIO_STREAM_COUNT 1

CONT_BASETYPE Undetermined MP4 (.MP4) file

CONT_BYTES_MISSING

CONT_INTERLEAVE_ALIGN

CONT_INTERLEAVE_PRELOAD

CONT_INTERLEAVE_TIME

CONT_SUBTYPE

CONT_TOTAL_BITRATE 0

VIDEO_ASPECT_CONVERT_AVI1

VIDEO_ASPECT_CONVERT_AVI2

VIDEO_ASPECT_CONVERT_CVD1

VIDEO_ASPECT_CONVERT_CVD2

VIDEO_ASPECT_CONVERT_DVD1

VIDEO_ASPECT_CONVERT_DVD2

VIDEO_ASPECT_CONVERT_SVCD1

VIDEO_ASPECT_CONVERT_SVCD2

VIDEO_ASPECT_CONVERT_VCD1

VIDEO_ASPECT_CONVERT_VCD2

VIDEO_ASPECT_SOURCE_MATCH

VIDEO_ASPECT_TYPE_NTSC

VIDEO_ASPECT_TYPE_PAL

VIDEO_BITRATE 603 K/bits

==look here=== ==look here=== ==look here===

VIDEO_CODEC_NAME MPEG-4 Video

VIDEO_CODEC_STATUS Codec Status Undetermined

VIDEO_CODEC_TYPE mp4v

VIDEO_DAR 1.600

VIDEO_DURATION 0:10.600

VIDEO_FIELDS_PER_SEC

VIDEO_FRAME_COUNT 315

VIDEO_FRAMES_PER_SEC 7.500

VIDEO_H264

VIDEO_MPEG2

VIDEO_MPEG2_3X2

VIDEO_MPEG2_BFF

VIDEO_MPEG2_I_L

VIDEO_MPEG2_PPF

VIDEO_MPEG2_PROG

VIDEO_MPEG2_TFF

VIDEO_MPEG4 MPEG-4

VIDEO_MPEG4_BVOP

VIDEO_MPEG4_GMC

VIDEO_MPEG4_NVOP

VIDEO_MPEG4_QPEL

VIDEO_PAR 1.000

VIDEO_PICS_PER_SEC 7.500

VIDEO_QF 0.314

==== ???? ======== ???? quality ??? ==

VIDEO_SAR 1.600

VIDEO_SIZE_X 640

VIDEO_SIZE_Y 400

AUDIO_BITRATE 0

AUDIO_BITRATE_TYPE

AUDIO_CHANNEL_COUNT 0

AUDIO_CODEC samr: AMR Narrowband

AUDIO_CODEC_STATUS Codec Status Undetermined

AUDIO_MPEG_STREAM_ID

AUDIO_MPEG_SUBSTREAM_ID

AUDIO_SAMPLE_RATE 8000

==look here=== 8000 hz suxxx! ===

Video: MPEG4 Video 640x400 30.00fps [Video]

Audio: 0x0000 8000Hz mono 128Kbps [Audio]

the first simple thing to realize is, that htc gives the capture application the option to select the audiocodec by user.

and a antivibration/anti shock/image stabilizing while filming is a good thing :-)
[XPERIA X1 General] richie523:
Bitrate setting

I found the following to Registry keys:

property_video_vga_kbyte_rate (default 16)

property_video_qvga_kbyte_rate (default 20)

at HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\SonyEricsson\Camera

Unfortunately changing these values seems to have no effect. I suspect the Camera app to be in a Beta shape :-(

Anyone having tried chaning these values and got success?

By the way: The bitrate when filming with QVGA is the same as with VGA - I got around 630 kBit/s each time. In fact QVGA looks better than VGA because of less blocking...

RichIE
[XPERIA X1 General] BrigateGB:
Xperia EU version video do at night..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fki84y3Q9Bw