yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Chainfire:
@all

Seeing a lot of stuff reported here that is even mentioned in my opriginal posts. No matter.

Recap

- Yes, you need an OpenGL ES driver. There are different D3D drivers out there (Omnia etc), these are NOT the correct drivers.

- The power down / standby / crash issue is related to the drivers (I told you they needed another update), not TF3D. Same thing goes for some other screens that cannot be "over" TF3D. These things are being looked into, but please consider that none of this stuff is easy and it takes a lot of effort and time.

- Even though I clearly posted this also works on the KS20, this somehow didn't make it to the first post (though the KS20 also has the power issue, and that we cannot fix, while we MAY be able to fix that for Kaiser/Polaris/Nike)

- Language stuff: Yes, TF3D is multilanguage and includes quite a lot of them.

Thoughts

I've had some time to think about stuff yesterday.

As mentioned below, I may know a way to speed up installation and general usage for the CAB version. This will require quite some work and I'm not 100% sure it'll work, but I'm -pretty- confident about it.

Also I have been playing with my raph a bit, and found the settings tab (and a few other ones) are also that slow on the raph - not QVGA version specific. This while some other parts are a great deal faster on the raph.

I also had an epiphany yesterday night about how to speed it up a lot more - unfortunately I didn't write it down (@gf) and now for the life of me I can't remember what it was. Hopefully I will be able to recall it sometime over the next few days (if I will, I'm writing it down for sure! damn this bad memory I'm blessed with)

Some pictures turning up white is a bit strange, but I also have some idea here about what the cause may be and how to fix it.

Last but not least, considering changing the "license" of the files to make a donation link to all the folks who are working on this mandatory to include in the first post of custom ROMs that use either the drivers or TF3D. Any thoughts on this? (not mandatory to donate of course!)

@gullem / laurentius

Nice to know it is much faster cooked in - I had actually suspected this (but not tried). TF3D should really use a single file instead of the literally thousand little ones it has, I have some ideas on how to fix this for the CAB install though (lots of work, though), which may also counter the 'general' device slow down due to the install, and generally make it install in about a minute instead of 30.

Would either of you be so kind as to record a video of TF3D on your device in both CAB form AND in OEM form? This way we can see the actual change - thanks.

@pcarvalho

Thanks for the changed fonts, will look at this once I return home. If this works well we may ditch the mipmapping thing altogether (too bad, as spent quite some time on it, but hey, it doesn't work perfect yet which is why it isn't even enabled now).
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] huggy_72:
audiomanager installed,from here working :)

Kaiser, Garmin 4.3b new(09/10) HTC-CA-Kaiser D3D,

not fast like Manila 2D, but very, similar

I notice when, i disabled TF3D and i revert to M2D

no problem at all :)

Very good Work

thank you

ps sorry for my bad english
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] gregnapola:
Thanks for your quick rebply! I asked this because

the first time I tried to install OpenGL drivers from HTCclassaction they didn't let me start my Ks20 and I had to hard-reset it :( ....But it's because ks20 isn't a

pda-phone, but a s***t-phone........(no, not a smart-phone.... ;))
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] synn21588:
I understand you need an OpenGL ES driver, but where do i go to get it? i'm a newbie boobie.. :/
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Chainfire:
@gregnapola

The KS20 doesn't need any driver install - it COMES with the right drivers. Some guy in IRC got it working on his KS20, didn't think there were special instructions to it - he was running a custom ROM, though. However if you installed HTC-CA drivers you probably need to hard-reset to get your original drivers back.

@synn21588

You either use a device that came with drivers, or you use the HTC-CA drivers and the correct ROM if you have a Kaiser, Polaris, or Nike. For other device, I know there are some software OpenGL ES drivers around, but I don't think any of them really work well.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] freee_guy:
You can download it from http://www.htcclassaction.org/driverprogress.php#update_20081009_1.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] NuShrike:
Why would you want to install OpenGL-ES drivers from HTC-CA into your KS20 when it already has OpenGL-ES drivers? KS20 was one of the first phones with properly implemented video drivers too!

No other software OpenGL-ES drivers will work with TF3D unless those drivers support ATI texture compression. Since there are no drivers that support that besides the ATI drivers.. only your native ATI/Qualcomm drivers (or HTC-CA drivers patch) will work.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] gregnapola:
sorry, but it DOESN'T have OpenGL-ES driverss on it...many people think it HAS, but that's not true! On ks20 you can run only Pocket-HAL based applications...if you try GLBenchmark you can easilly see it doesn't have theese drivers :(
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] synn21588:
I have a Mogul, so this won't work on my device? I' using Nochem's pre3 rom
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] freee_guy:
Chainfire. Thanks for the port and hats off to your commitment to the project which makes you reply and check over the things even when you are not in your home. It really is great work on your part and the whole community would be proud of the commitment and hardwork shown by people like you.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] gregnapola:
@ NuShrike

take a look here:

http://www.glbenchmark.com/phonedetails.jsp?D=LG KS20
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Chainfire:
@synn

There are no drivers for the Mogul at this time

@gregnapola

That's funny - as the Kaiser drivers are partially based on these according-to-you-non-existant drivers. Something else must be going on :)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] NuShrike:
Where do you think the HTC-CA drivers come from? It comes from the KS20. The fact the KS20 runs GLBenchmark @ > 5fps is proof enough that it has OpenGL-ES drivers.

You're probably asking why is it scraping the bottom of the benchmarks? It's because HTC/Qualcomm cheaped out on the CPU and didn't use the floating point version. All of the other high-benchmark phones HAVE a fpu.

This is the same cpu being used all the way up to the Touch HD/Experia so they're going to be just as slow.

gregnapola: you're the guy telling the car engineer that the car has no wheels.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] pcarvalho:
you'll see it improves alot, and it was a pretty easy trick ;)

just one more thing to take care of...dotted lines...i'm thinking of removing them cause when they move they some times dont redraw, i think its cause its only one line and rescaled, so sometimes no pixes are drawn :confused:

mipmapping may work but probably slow things down...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] NuShrike:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mipmap should speed things up. However, big textures (bigger than 128x128 pixels) slow things down a lot on the Imageon.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] gregnapola:
Ok...sorry... :o Thanks for the explanation...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] gullum:
No not yet anyway I had it activated during my sleep and the battery was gone from 100% to 10% during that time so that wouldn't be be of any use for regular use :( but I'm shure that the power consumation will get much better within a short time now that it's fully ported.

So in a cuple of weeks I guess TF3D will be in most of the Kaiser,Polaris and Nike roms.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] mbarvian:
sorry for the double post

I have a kaiser and would love to help out as a chef. Do the HTCCA drivers count as 3d implementation?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] blazingwolf:
Not really as TF3D does not work with them. At least right now it doesn't.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] mbarvian:
you mean without porting it?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] blazingwolf:
That doesn't really matter as we already have dumps of TF3D. Doesn't matter that it is not CDMA.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] k0ster:
Currently i try to run manila3d on prophet.

On first start i see the htc-logo on today, but manila dont run.

And the logo was 640x480. I think that we need to find where to change resolution

But i sort manila package on different language packs, because so much language i dont need.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] djboo:
the htcca drivers are a far from complete implimentation...especially as far as fullscreen is concerned. we need something properly supported
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] NFSFAN:
Im up for the xml coding.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] pcarvalho:
after 2 days of work on it, here is just a little peak of my work ;)

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=2707862&postcount=1187

what i would like is for someone to come out with a full and recent version of manila3D that can start on qvga, the rest i'll make it run...eventually

anyone up for it? hope so :D
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] k0ster:
how you resize the bars and pages?

may be i could help you with yous investigation? :)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] djboo:
which version of manila you working on? we pretty much got the old beta running flawlessly - but the big issue was things like the phone book and music lib were hard coded - it bore no relation to what was on your phone.

edit:

i dont know if you followed the 'hergilla' thread - but if u didnt, i can send u what i did there, got pretty much everything working - it wont get u far tho - only usable pages were home and weather...kinda - and thats not a limit of what we did but the exe itself.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] pcarvalho:
i'm using the early beta version...it closes always (on purpose and when it breaks) with the tipical: "htc home is terminated unexpectedly, please tap here to start htc home"...

hardcoded to where?

please post what you did so i can see how ahead you got...

it whould be nice if you posted also what did not work and or what you did not get working...

if weather is complete, then a lot of work has already been done since that tab is 1MB alone...

please show me or tell me the links...

by the way...was your bottom bar working?

cheers
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] mbarvian:
to a certain extent :)

the one you're working on sounds exactly like Herg's first version
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] djboo:
i dont have access to my dev laptop at the moment, been using the misses PC... but, pretty much anything useful that we made is here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=398173&highlight=hergilla&page=70

(youll have to go thru a few pages but i was very descriptive with my progress updates)

we did get the bottom bar working. it didnt matter that the weather was 1mb - there was probably about 50bytes of changes hehe
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] pcarvalho:
i'd like to have your most final cab of "hergilla"...the one i installed was full of glitches, the bottom bar was in the wrong place and did not work properly...but it still crashes saying it ended unexpectedly...the rest was incomplete and slow maybe cause it installed drivers to make it work then, now i dont need drivers cause it works pretty fast with current drivers, but still with lots of glitches...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] bornotty:
oh lord! im so excited! for this!!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] djboo:
the cabs are probably not as up to date as the m9 files posted - but we stopped working when i realised no matter what, the music viewer insisted on showing albums such as U2 etc...this suprised me - i HATE u2. a little research - the listed music on my phone was the same as some of the pre-release advertising - the music list is hardcoded - and i beleive the phone book is too - making that version totally pointless. i dont beleive theres any point fighting anymore with that version as its unstable and feature incomplete - we really need to battle with gold code.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] pcarvalho:
hummm...no worries...its a good platform to learn how to manipulate the code...how or who made the changes for the beta to become qvga aware? maybe he could make it again...i don't know who it was...i'm just changing the layouts...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] djboo:
NuShrike made the patch to better support the HTC CA drivers - but hes already done that for the newer versions - but of course we cant test if its worked. the app doesnt need to be made 'qvga' aware - adjusting the viewports fixes it.

Im gonna really put some effort in tonight into sussing out where our issues lie - any hints are greatly appreciated.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] pcarvalho:
dont know about that cause if i use the original version (beta) it will not start...but ok...i'll ask him...thanks
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] jtoyz2:
Can you post up the latest beta on this page?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] nir36:
I assume all new polaris 3d driver roms should be able to run this, is that right?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] pcarvalho:
we can always resize textures bigger than that to 128x128 maximum :P
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] gregnapola:
Installed on my Ks20 ...it works! Still Slow, but it works....

Sorry for my stupid thoughts, someone didn't explained me correctly how LG drivers work......that was becaouse when the first time I run herg Manilla3d (I don't remember exactly what's its name...)it run at 3.5 fps :S
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] gaiden:
first id like to say great jobbbb...

install it on dk4 a.. full. not much installed tcpmp hicalc ip sms.

install the cab and replace the manila file.

at first it switch between tab quite slow..... but when i connect my pda to the laptop and when it sync... when the arrow on the top bar starts to roll i play with the tf 3d again surprisingly it nearlyy almost the same as when i play with my diamond!!!! but when the sync complted it goes back slow as if the magic was gone.... what happend here??? i'll try to upload a video
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Girvo:
Damn: So the KS20 is supported, but it won't ever be 100% because of the power issue? What *is* the power issue, and what causes it [specifically]? :)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] maaafeb05:
Audio Manager Problem

When I tab on the audio manager it shows searching and then it shows "the file "audiomanager_eng" cannot be opened either it is not signed with a trusted certificate or one of its component cannot be found. What to do ?

Thanks
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] CraZyLiLbOy:
It won't put your phone standby
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] pcarvalho:
install diamond audio manager...as said around here :)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] CraZyLiLbOy:
Im on a tytn 2 aka kaiser using L26's rom,when i tap on "launch touchflow 3d", it does not run at all :( What could be the problem?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] huggy_72:
i have installed this http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=416474

driver over the HTC-CA driver

the result was a fast end fluidity improvement of TF3D

edit

i also noticed ,the camera , whit this combination of driver , work the best i ever seen

ps sorry for my english
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] ubhishek:
This is great. Just tried it and was really good progress. Keep up the good work guys.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] cbus:
Did you install the HTC-CA driver first then the one posted - or just the posted one?

Thanks
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] itje:
I cooked it into my latest rom for polaris, and its amazingly responcive rather then when just installed as cab.

cheers
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] huggy_72:
HTC-CA first and then SJ
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] genious_t:
got any bugs fixed while using in cooked form ?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] itje:
not more then audiomanager, and perrhaps some other stuff, but I need to look into it.

Besides, Its just a early "not for daily use" version :)

cheers
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] xeirwn:
well, I'm going to ask again -since I got no reply!!

are we going to see a VGA release?

my phone (Xda Flame but other too!) has hardware accelerated Open GL ES drivers and VGA screen, so TF3D should work..

anyone? :confused:
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] genious_t:
dieing to see it working perfectly on my Orbit II :)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] pdgpereira:
Ok, so I ended up dooing a hard reset yesterday. Too many new software for my machine.

So, now, I'm running a Polaris w/M-Amine 2.0 RTM SP1 radio 1.59.42.23, polaris.ca 3d drivers w/ font fix and the new audio mannager posted yesterday here.

M3d is quite smooth now, just some minor really quick freezes here and there. Still have the power_button-dim-instead-of-blanking-the-screen bug.

Memory is showing 58% right now (only the "start" associated to M3d on the task bar)

I installed it on the main memory. I have no M3d-M2d file mix reported on the german rom. My rom is 99% wwe (I had to add gullum PT keyboard for sms sake).

I will now try out sj samsung d3d drivers to see if performance increases even more.

On the text fix: the main text is clearer. Some smaller letter, like the temperature or the "updating" on thw weather tab, still are almost unreadable.

For the power button issue: short press will not blank the screen, will only dim it. After the time to turn off backlight set on settings/power/backlight, the screen will start to blink off/dim. Yesterday it actually softreset on its own once. Never happened again so far.

There is a combination somewere between pressing the power button, having the dropdown main window taskbar down and the blinking stuff, that the device just will not respond normally anymore. (not sure the taskbar has anything to do with this. After the blinking bug nothing works the same no more. Increasing the timo to turn off backlight might avoid dis behaviour) Anyone seen this?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] acemanice:
Look at this

Device: Kaiser

ROM: Hyper Dragon III

All working, expect stand by mode - but this has been explained before (driver issue)....

but look at this:

-Diamond TF3D Config Setup v0.6.7 - working with TF3D QVGA

-changing Languages

-changing Themes (use themes designated for Diamond - see picture)

-order of tabs and bla bl :)

try...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] genious_t:
by the way i had a question,

i m sorry if this is the wrong place to ask

there are two versions of Polaris

Polaris 100 and Polaris 200

are they both missing d3d or just 100 ?

and what about Orbit 2 ?:confused:

Orbit 2 is Polaris 200 but with different shape specially designed for O2 and shipped with O2 ROM
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] pdgpereira:
I was just messing with som customization programs on diamond posts. That was one of them but gave me error of some missing files. Any gess as to the cause?

How did you install it?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] acemanice:
to pdgpereira

just installed from here...

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=405749

and themes from here nothing else (reboot after install)

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=409901
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] lilhgarcia1:
On Mogul

Have anyone try this on the mogul yet.

If So tell me if it worked or messed up your phone
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] pdgpereira:
Uhm... Testing...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] beher:
don't work on the trinity:(:(
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] huggy_72:
for me work properly :) is in Italian now :)

i have test tweek for Touch #1 Dont make this!!!

touch #4 work but not some improvment

i test themes now

thank
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] acemanice:
:) we can use Diamond themes as they are :)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] pdgpereira:
For some reason it does't work on mine. Some questions:

-What is your Radio/Rom?

-Where did you put the theme files?

-Do you use Advanced Config?

Found the problem: Check next thread page :)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] joshkoss:
ddi.dll

I noted in my hermes testing that this manilla works on kaiser build including the ddi.dll file. if i were to theoretically add that into a hermes build would this have any affect, along with the kaiser drivers?? so far won't start on hermes with kaiser drivers only.

in short, my question is does manilla3d or the 3d drivers require ddi.dll to be built into the rom as in kaiser builds?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] pdgpereira:
Found it!!! :D

I got the diamond customizer working. Either delete the tweak.xml on the program's folder or check this thread and follow the other steps. That .xml checks some read entries and, if some are corrupt or with a diferent tipe, it gives an exception error.

Thread: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=2738191&postcount=911
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] pdgpereira:
Rain?... Someone?

Ok people, I need help!...

Cant seem to find rain anywhere. Seems like a big cloud is covering all the world, BUT NO RAIN!!!

If it is raining near you and your city is M3d supported, please, tell me :)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] huggy_72:
this morning was rain in Lisboa :)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] mreaglejr:
I found this on Weather Channel: Amarillo, TX (US) :D
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Pisca:
Installed on top, SJ Driver, seems to be more fluid
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] gianlu91best:
BlueAngel

:(:( It does not work on my BA...uff!!!:(:(
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] pdgpereira:
Raining in Taxas? who would've guessed? I gess WC is a smart place to look. Thanks.

For people using Diamond TF3D Config 0.6.7. You can apply a diamond theme as it is. Note: I had to reinstall M3d when restoring original theme from the program. Be careful using this app, as it was not design for our roms.

It is true that we can download and use diamond themes as they are but they probably occupy more space/memory then they could due to the diferent resolution. I'm not really sure here. Maybe M2d skinners can have a look at this.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] maxniper:
i think my only problem is the off thing.

i'm using a Polaris
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] pcarvalho:
been improving graphics...

no more dotted line in home, messages, internet and settings tabs (they had problems and the easiest way to fix is remove)...

clock now is correct (a 1 pixel row offset on the sides was enough to make me fix it, i seek perfection :D)...

fixed letters earlier (still some very small ones but for those i'll need to fine the size and get a good replacement)...

think now at least its graphicly correct for me now...lol

will post cab soon...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] radem205:
That's great news Pcarvalho. Do you have resized images too?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] maxniper:
Yes please.

do you have the problem of the turnoff button?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] solomhamada:
any news about htc wizard ?