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[XPERIA X1 General] msalmank:
256 MB was old specs... RAM was boosted up to 384MB for the final device a couple of weeks back.

This was one my main concerns as well - but prior to HTC announcing the HTC touch HD (same resolution as Xperia) and others also moving towards the same resolution. So in the long term, IMO Xperia is a winner.

At-least you agree with me on one thing... ;)

I said that TF3D is amazing looking and better even that what we've seen so far for Xperia Panels... BUT keep in mind that with the customizability of Panels and the Developer SDK out in the open for Free, we will see new panels coming out real soon... and that my friend is going to be the turning point here. Xperia Panels may not be as glossy as TF3D - which i said in my post - but they are more customizable and new panels/interfaces can be easily applied. From the looks, though TF3D is better looking, we can expect same level or better panels to hit soon - but for now TF3D wins in terms of look. But from a functionality stand-point Panels win...

Yay! Another one! ;)

I know HTC Manufactured both devices, but SE has a hand in the non-hardware related stuff in Xperia - or rather Xperia is a SE device not a HTC device... you know what i mean...

It isn't called complaining according to my dictionary but is rather a comment based on experience. He is not satisfied with the reception of 3G on his touch pro... but you don't face any lack of reception. It's as simple as that.

Actually... i've been carrying an iPhone for over an year now. Accelerometer is pretty much the bomb (one of the main features) but it is definitely something that one can live without. Even after an year, the Accelerometer is mainly used for games and fun utilities - which i already pointed out... but it is also used for switching to landscape automatically in applications, but then again hitting a button to switch isn't that big a deal either.

Have you actually played with it? And need i remind you that anyone who has played with Xperia so far has done so with a Prototype set. We can't come to a final conclusion based on the review of a prototype set. But anyays, like i said, Touch Pro's keyboard is considered one of the best.

Ahh. My mistake. When i was writing the comparison, i checked the thickness of Touch Pro and i thought it said 20 but i was looking at something completely different. I'll correct this in the main post right now.

The touch pad is better!
[XPERIA X1 General] msalmank:
I'm copying this from the other thread... as it answers some of your statements in further details:

I'm afraid you should first confirm things yourself. Xperiancers is a blog by SE and here is a quote from their latest blog entry: "The device has a graphics accelerator, a 528 Mhz processor and 384 megs of ram"

(if you'd like to see: http://xperiancers.com/ - Name of post is 'Your Questions Answered')

Dude... it's my opinion, if you don't agree then don't, but call me biased at my own expense. I clearly stated that 'the Touch HD is again ahead of Xperia with a 5 MP camera over the 3.2 MP camera in Xperia', and i am sure many will agree that SE's cameras are one of the best in mobile devices... but i did not declare Xperia a winner over Touch HD but only implied that in my opinion Xperia'll be better. Furthermore - take into account that Touch HD lacks a flash for the camera, it will not perform up to par in certain conditions.

Again... user based experience. Another member here mentioned that he faced 3G reception problems, and i put that in. You say it doesn't, i'll put that in as well.

Dude! did you even read what i wrote? I wrote it clear: "HTC vs. SE. This is SE's first WinMo device, so concerns arise... but given the fact that HTC was behind in this device's manufacturing as well, i say that we can rely on the device."

HTC manufactured Xperia, but it is a SE device and they are the ones who are bringing it out.
[XPERIA X1 General] foo:
@Black93300ZX

Concerning 3G reception and Touch Pro: Just do a search and you'll find a lot of people complaining about that.

The same for Diamond - the devices are very equal concerning this weakness.

But I would never try to convince someone to buy a Xperia instead of any other phone, I just wanted to mention it, because it's very important for me. Do with this information whatever you want.

If you like the HTC Touch Pro better: Go for it. :)
[XPERIA X1 General] asolano895:
The screen size alone makes the Xperia a winner to me, don't know why the HTC phones seems to be stucked with 2.8 screens.
[XPERIA X1 General] msalmank:
HTC Touch HD has a bigger screen... ;)
[XPERIA X1 General] nap007:
I don't know if this is the final product or not, but seriously I can't find the rotation button there :( maybe you can see it?

other than that, these photos look awesome!

http://translate.google.se/translat...41244/default.aspx&sl=cs&tl=en&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8
[XPERIA X1 General] Cazbuh:
Recessed vs Non-recessed screens

This is a definite matter of taste but in my opinion, for these two devices, its a non-issue:

Recessed

Pros

- Protects the screen when placed down on a table, some protection when in a bag (better protection is afforded by a good screen protector and case)

- Gives a clear edge as a guide for the stylus (pointless if touch scrolling is enabled or if a hardware scrolling method is available)

Cons

- Gets in the way of touches at the edge e.g. scroll bars (non issue if you can finger scroll like you can on the Xperia), the close/okay button (again use the okay button)

- Dust can get caught along the edges/in the corners (easily cleaned with tape/compressed air)

Non-recessed

Pros

- Increased touchable area by freeing up the edges (however, other software/hardware button substitues can render this a non-issue)

Cons

- Easy to scratch if placed on a surface (use a decent screen protector)

- No clear stylus guide (gesture software/other hardware buttons renders this point mute)

Have I missed anything out?
[XPERIA X1 General] nap007:
hm I just don't get what do you mean by stylus guide :confused::D
[XPERIA X1 General] VaThInK:
I found an answer in regards to the battery life comparison between X1 and TP.

http://www.hardwarezone.com.au/reviews/view.php?id=2726&cid=24&pg=6

As I suspected earlier, they're both equal since X1 consumes more juice than TP. Screen size and resolution do affect battery life guys. ;)
[XPERIA X1 General] Insaneboy:
Dust won't be an issue with a screen protector, right?
[XPERIA X1 General] McHale:
I use screen protectors and I ALWAYS end up with dust in the corners under the screen protectors. FRUSTRATING!

-Mc
[XPERIA X1 General] toxical:
Yeah, that is if you have both devices running and active all the time, than there wont be a difference. But in real live conditions you dont do that, most of the time of the day the device is in standby and the display is turned off, so the X1s battery will last longer.
[XPERIA X1 General] VaThInK:
Did you look at the battery life in minutes? It clearly shows that the lifetime is the same. Doesn't matter if it's turned on or in standby, the battery runtime will remain the same since X1 clearly draws more power when it's turned on. So the extra 150mA is only capable to cover this. Look at the review again if you don't get what I'm trying to say. ;)
[XPERIA X1 General] toxical:
No i dont agree there. Battery life of 216 Minutes isnt even 4 Hours..so its pretty obvious that this was measured when the device is on and working all the time, and they exactly say what they did to test the battery life:

In this situation its absolutly clear that the X1 battery wont last longer than the TPs cause its in full use of all its power. But in normal use, when you use both devices for lets say 2 hours a day and they are in standby the rest of the time with the display turned off, the X1 will last slightly longer because of its bigger battery. The screen is a major power consumer, but with it only turned on 10% of the day in normal conditions it wont affect battery life so badly.

Also i saw atleast 2 reviews where the marked the battery life as very positive, whereas the TP was said to have "reasonable" battery life.

I am pretty sure, with the given data, that somebody could come up with a value that states where the breakeven point is, so how many hours both devices have to run each day that the bigger screen will result in shorter battery life (the 216 minutes are the breakeven point if both devices use all their juice)...but i am sure that value is alot higher than you normally use the phone on a daily basis.
[XPERIA X1 General] VaThInK:
Well, it's up to you how you see it mate. I personally am a heavy user and I don't just leave mine on standby all day. What counts is when you use it. I can see what you're trying to say there, but it seems like you're expecting miracle from 160mA extra. Think about it from both X1 and TP perspectives. In standby, X1 and TP are going to consume about the same, but when they're turned on, X1 will consumes more. If one full charge lasts for a week or maybe a month then the difference would be more significant. But 2 days you won't notice it much. It's going to be about the same in the end and not that significant. This is also based on my past experience when comparing between VGA and QVGA devices. What others think anyway in regards to this?

Are the reviews that you saw compared the 2 devices directly? Otherwise they would be less reliable. Also, It would have been better if they provide numbers rather than expressing with words. I'm interested to see more reviews comparing the two directly.
[XPERIA X1 General] toxical:
yeah, the difference might be minor and the whole point isnt that big anyway, both have a very good battery life.

to exactly compare it we would need values on how much Watt they use in normal conditions.
[XPERIA X1 General] VaThInK:
Yeah I guess so. It would've been more accurate that way. But not many software have this feature. I've only tested TP with HS++ and the review is quite right on the money. Under full load with WiFi on full, TP consumes about 370mA which is close to 1.37W (3.7V*0.370mA) as shown there. Someone willing to test their X1? :)
[XPERIA X1 General] jonteponte:
Have u ever owned a windows mobile? have u tried any keyboards in the past? (wizard,universal,tytn,kaiser) ive tried lots of them for a long time since i have had em all. i was very disapointed at the xperia keyboard as it was unresponsive and there wernt enough space between the screen and the first row of keys(the first row didnt feel the same as the 3 following rows) and as im swedish i should love the fact that there are hardwarekeys for (åäö) but as there is no directionalkeyes its a nogo.

i really cant recommed the xperia for any Man, but ive done so for many females - and if you look at the "codename" from HTC - Venus its clear that they aswell consider it to be a mobile for females.

xperia = HTC Venus - sounds and looks feminine

touch pro = HTC Raphael - sounds and looks masculine

and for all of you that r here on xda-developers, my guess is that you'll need to drill a hole in the back so that you can access the softresetbutton.

to me the choice was easy - the touch pro

and SE why the fck did you put the usb-port on the side? might have been HTC that said no... but that was the first thing that made me choose the touchpro...

to anyone not knowing what to buy, go and have a good look at both of them and then try typing the same message on both of them ( and i suggest that you type a few rows and then try to edit something in the middle, and not just hello world..)
[XPERIA X1 General] msalmank:
Of course i have used Win Mo devices before... the point is that one does get used to the keyboard on a device with the passage of time...

And anyways, the keyboard on Xperia is definitely considered one of the best on a Win Mo device, and you're the first one to complain about it so. I've read a reviewer write that the first row of keys is too close to the screen, but he said that it does not get in the way. There are many others on this forum and others who own the device and have high praises for the device and its keyboard - they all agree that TP's keyboard is the best one of the two, but Xperia's keyboard is not far behind.

And being a feminie device! LMAO! You have got to be kidding me. Well, i guess you see it as you want, but it definitely does not look like a feminie device... To each his own opinion.

I don't know about the usb being on the side, i mean is there really any huge disadvantage to that?

Wish you best of luck with your Touch Pro.
[XPERIA X1 General] artesea:
or as is the case, like all of the other Sony Ericsson code names, named after WTA players.
[XPERIA X1 General] Insaneboy:
Feminie, masculine?

You got it all wrong.

HTC Venus is obviously for planets.

And HTC Raphael is for teenage mutant ninja turtles :p
[XPERIA X1 General] Pinguino1:
Hi onteponte,

It's always a matter of preferences, so I won't comment on yours because

mine are completely different, But I can say one thing I have no problem

Controlling and LOVING a lady Venus. How do you feel with Raphael?:D
[XPERIA X1 General] Pinguino1:
I see the location of the usb actually well tought out, They don't move those things by chance. Think about when you open the keyboard is located on your left underneath the keyboad.

BTW I'm 100% with you about the keyboard. I only see advantages, I could write a few paragraphs about. The only 1 thing I see a bit different with the Pro is the feeling of the bouncing. That's subjective. If you see how i type you will understand why is not problem for me. Everything else I think the Xperia keyboard is better than the Pro.
[XPERIA X1 General] jonteponte:
hi pinguino,

well, i see your point ;) and just have to quote someone ... "...all you need is love..."(was it john or paul?) and as long as no one gets hurt and all is in on it - hell im in love with my masculine Raphael, im even prepared for some tough love hehe.
[XPERIA X1 General] danielherrero:
hehe this is one of the funniest threads in xda... :)
[XPERIA X1 General] msalmank:
hehe... seems to have gone that way. :)
[XPERIA X1 General] veletron:
X1 Keyboard

Hi

I have my old Tytn II (MDA Vario III) and the SE X1 sat in front of me. I can confirm that the keyboard on the X1 is terrible!! Main issue for me is that the top row of keys is too close to the screen, and that there are no cursor keys on the main keyboard meaning that I have to use the crappy D pad to go correct spelling mistakes! There's also no soft keys on the main keyboard on the X1.

On the positive side, the screen on the X1 is excellent, and the device is very svelte compared to my TytnII. The keyboard slide feels more durable on the X1.

When open, the TyTn II looks huge in comparison

For me, the crappy keyboard might mean that that the experia heads back to voda within the 14 day 'trial' period.

Nigel
[XPERIA X1 General] Eriol:
I can't confirm this. This is very subjective to anybody using the device. My personal thought is that the keyboard is quite nice - I tested the device in a local MediaMarkt store quite some time -, much better than on my Wizard and on the Tytn. The D-pad is excellent as well, much better than I thought it would be. In fact, the only thing I miss is a bigger screen by size (should be at least 3.5). The screen on my Wizard looks bigger!

I am still unsure whether to get the X1 or the Touch HD (keyboard against big screen).

Eriol
[XPERIA X1 General] Zaim2:
After re-reading my post I realise I worded it badly. What I meant is that if I can't use the Xperias keyboard without frustration, it's as good as not being there, in which case I might as well go for the Touch HD which is superior in specs to a QWERTYless Xperia. I could then compromise by getting a compact foldable bluetooth keyboard like this one. Definately not as handy as having a slide out, but compact enough to fit into the same pocket as the phone. (Apologies in advance if this adds fuel to the fire to someone in a dilemna between the Xperia and the HD lol)

Do you have larger than average fingers too? I think the lack of "feeling of seperation" between the keys is what's causes the inaccuracy whilst typing as you can press more than one key at once. The space between the keys was designed to stop people with more average sized fingertips from doing this and allows them to type fairly comfortably. That's my hypothesis anyway.
[XPERIA X1 General] auricom:
thought this might help you guys on the fence..

I thought you guys might find this helpful since I have just made up my mind 30 mins ago on which one to get. After reading so many reviews, comparisons, comments (much of them only added to my confusion/dilemma), I have decided on the SE Xperia X1.

the thing that did it for me was this video showing TouchFlo 3D on X1, this way I can have the best of both worlds kinda..

other incriminating factors, given that both are using same processor, about the same RAM, and WM 6.1:

-Bigger screen

-I could do without the accelerometer and TV out on TouchPro

-3.5mm headphone jack helped

-X1's look is fresher compared to something that looks almost exactly like my sibling's old HTC Diamond

-I figured I could do without the extra numerical lines on the keyboard
[XPERIA X1 General] J48BLE:
Hand writing reconition

Does anyone know if hand writing recognition can be achieved as easy as the Sony Ericsson P1i. This X1 is my 4th SE, starting from the P800. The P1i recognition kills off anything so far. The X1 is slow to recognise. Don't know when you will get capital letters or numbers...more pot luck. The P1i had a black triangle centered on the right hand side (where the scroll bar is ). Above the triangle you get numbers, below lower case and on the middle (level with the black triangle) CAPS. F"£%ing simple. Can someone HELP!!!!
[XPERIA X1 General] artesea:
J48BLE use "Letter Recognizer" for the closest thing to UIQ Graffitti
[XPERIA X1 General] apprentice:
Agree with all this. I own both a Touch Pro and an X1. The one thing however that puts the X1 on top is it is definitely more stable. My TP crashes a lot!
[XPERIA X1 General] zenkinz:
seriously I can see why you are banned. You had obviously not owned both phones, but I can tell you categoricaly how wrong (even though I don't think there's an absolute correct answer given that it can be personal and/or subjective, but you just gave an extreme subjective answers, imho) you are with some of your answers below, because I have owned both phones and I can tell you the following;

1. Not withstanding that Xperia is acclaimed to have 384MB RAM (by the SE folks, though nobody has verified it physically), Xperia has more usable RAM than Touch Pro (150MB versus 120?, I can't remember, I know it's no more than 130MB)

4. Panel is the foundation for everything, and you obviously can run TF3D on a panel, but you can't run a panel on TF3D! The main difference between running a desktop versus running as a program, is that each time after acting on an new incoming SMS or a call, you get back to the home screen that relates to the "theme" (be it relaxing with music/video, attending meeting, idling/sleeping, etc)

6. HTC is a big player in the mobile industry, in terms of manufacturing. Sure the SE phone is build by HTC, but SE does more than just slapping a brand name on the HTC-made phone, unlike O2 or MDA, which are really just telco branded HTC made phone. FWIW, HTC also made Palm Treo 750/850, but it doesn't make Treo any HTC, as Palm had made sure that it doesn't lose its "DNA" as a result of optimising its manufacturing business.

9. Yes, Xperia keyboard look junk, but that's as far as you are right. You have obviously not tried both keyboard to appreciate the strength and shortcoming of both keyboard. I won't go and say that Touch Pro keyboard is a junk, but I would say I prefer Xperia keyboard over Touch Pro, after using both substantially. Have you used any?

10. You obviously have not held Xperia and TouchPro before. Sometimes, you can't just depend on statistic alone, that 1mm might mean nothing statistically and logically, but wait till you hold both phone, and you tell me if you think Touch Pro is a brick, albeit a very high and well build quality brick.
[XPERIA X1 General] Dillsnik:
For me the ATT warranty option makes the decision

I'd have to say that I'd love to buy the Xperia, it does seem superior to the Touchpro. But for me, being an ATT customer, i have to say the advantages of having the warranty thru ATT would far outweigh the differences between the phones.

I have used the exchange program with my Hermes more than once, and i must say they are very easy to work with and never leave me without a phone at any time during the process. From asking Sony, they try will repair YOUR phone (if not fixable they will replace due to mfctr defects) and you would need to send it in to them to do that, thus you're phone-less for the duration :eek: Not nearly as warm and fuzzy as getting a brand new, non-scuffed refurb sent right to your home.
[XPERIA X1 General] Ganondolf:
i love my x1 but have never owned a pro, played with one in the shop and prefered the x1. saying that there are some stuff i would of like on the x1, like a better camera. althought the 3.2 camera is good i think they could of put a 5mp camera in the x1 without messing up the phone market as the top camera phone now has 8.1mp. A better speaker would have been nice too.
[XPERIA X1 General] msalmank:
I agree...!
[XPERIA X1 General] Loco5150:
I have the Pro and have been looking little should I try the X1... One thing no one mentions here is that X1 is missing the CTRL button. I dont get it why its not present in most HW keyboards, only on SW...

Maybe the best bet would be to get something that does not have the Qualcomm ****set in it...

Hahah, which ones do you rather look at, hairy asses or nice smooth apple bottoms?
[XPERIA X1 General] sanada_kikyo:
That is my biggest fear...the crashing. I currently have the sony p1, and for the first 7months it was God sent. But literally there has been so many problems now...the phone crashes all the time. When I turn it back on, it just freezes. I'm in the medical community so I need my phone/calendar and contacts to work at all times.

So the Touch Pro users: will this die on me within the year?

X1: same thing

I am not willing to spend a grand on something that I have to change out within 7 months. Can someone help me? I appreciate it.
[XPERIA X1 General] Loco5150:
I just bidded on a Xperia... Im thinking when I have both I can deside the one I like and sell the other with still getting my money back.
[XPERIA X1 General] Loco5150:
My Touch Pro is stable, the cooked roms are great...
[XPERIA X1 General] msalmank:
So... it's been a while since i got my hands on my Xperia... and i have to say that it is far more stable and faster than Touch Diamond. (i haven't had the chance to use Touch Pro)
[XPERIA X1 General] Loco5150:
Can someone tell me how much free ram I can expect with one of the cooked roms without panels and maybe without TF3D also?
[XPERIA X1 General] ipporek:
Think what I miss most about my Touch Pro (that ain't present on my X1) is the ability to just 'draw circles' when in Opera (or viewing images) to zoom in and out. Makes it much more convenient when surfing.