yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Syd159:
Little tip: map Toggle Manilla under a hardware button. It makes it easier to disable TF3D when you want to turn off your device.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] swanlm:
You could be right. I disabled TF3D, without uninstalling anything and the power button worked OK. So I immediately assumed that TF3D must be the problem. But I just tried running the Lights app that comes with the driver and while its running the power button doesn't work. So looks like the problem is with the driver.

Thanks for pointing that out.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] MRFERRARI23:
SOMEONE already made a rom with tf3d in it actually....its called the TOUCH-IT DIAMOND M3D(MANILA3S BETA TEST W/YOUTBUE PREVIEW) but its on a polaris so i dont know for sure if that rom would work on a kaiser. go to the polaris forum an look for that page:D
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] CraZyLiLbOy:
of course it wouldn't work..you want him to brick his phone? ;)

The rom was specially made to work only on polaris

I made myself a new clock but I have no clue where I have to put the files. Any help would be appreciated
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Chainfire:
Dang, I just reflashed the Kaiser with Garmin - was using Dutty before - TF3D is blazing fast on this ROM. Of course, always room for improvement, but it's like twice as fast as on the Dutty ROM and I think about 70-75% of the speed I see on my Raphael - just doesn't look as good :)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] pmorganii:
very nice clock...i can't wait to get it on my device. i'm not sure where to save either...i know if 2D, but this is my first time with 3D...are they in the same location??
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] pmorganii:
Customize 3D

I may have missed it, but I tried the diamond customizer (, but it will not work. Is there a different customizer that i can hide tabs for this version of 3D?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] whitealien:
You are missing nine :D

The ROM with TF3D was made by itje for Polaris. I did not try yet, but I tried cab from here on my Polaris. I can say that TF3D is very, very addictive thing. Once you started to use you get quickly addicted to graphics animations. The only thing what sets you back is speed, but just for now. I noticed that graphics vice it is animating quite quick, no laags or whatsoever, but it needs a lot of time to initialize some tabs, like music, pictures, meteo. So I guess it can be achieved with some optimizing.

Really great work guys, thank you a lot. :) Keep on going
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] CraZyLiLbOy:
Not for now but there will be one in the future :]
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] itje:
I use advanced config in my rom, and it disables tabs without problems

cheers
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] 200895:
Thank you my friend!!

I hope they will listen to your feedback and patch this problem!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Chainfire:
You know some of these tabs are often slow to load on Raphael and Diamond too... Dont know if we can really do something about that.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] kaasaanfiets:
thx mate that seems to work, its not realy fast though...

And the pics need some anti aliasing, but verry imperessive...

I dont really know if i shut down touchflow correctly, is dit Start->Programs->Utils->TouchFLO

but im not sure what that does :p

Running the latest Hyperdragon III rom

The Music tab seems a bit uuhm buggy i cant scroll trough albums and it takes a long time to load...

When i want to cycle trough the albums it just goes to another tab next to it

2nd thing is that i cant shut my screen off, with that button on the right i always turn off my screen.

when i press it now the whole thing goes stuck and nothing works anymore

EDIT: oh i see that this problem is already known...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] ryomahino:
Hi again I already try in my artemis with yue11.3 rom extraclean and the vincent drivers, I install the swtos audiomanager and works fine with the music tab.

The graphics still appear the white squares in many tabs, I triyng to install the TFLO3D config tool to try change theme (to fix the graphics issue) but give error message.

Anybody knows why?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] scotchua:
Which Garmin rom were you using?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] iceman667:
ON ELFIN

Is there any way to get it work on a ELF/ELFIN ?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] CraZyLiLbOy:
I made myself a new clock but I have no clue where I have to put the files. Any help would be appreciated
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] iceman667:
ELF HELP

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Is there any way to get it work on a ELF/ELFIN ?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] pcarvalho:
manila editor...look for it ;)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] CraZyLiLbOy:
I did but when Im putting the new files in windows folder, none of the files are replacing with the old ones..
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] pcarvalho:
they should, mine were...check it again
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] pcarvalho:
here are some very small fixes to corrent graphics in manila3D that are caused by the scaling method...

for now:

.removed dotted lines

.added better fonts

.improved background of clock

just install and soft reset ;)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] pmorganii:
i am sure this is a simple question, but i am trying to change the background for the entire 3D - not just the home screen. which file should i replace in windows? sorry, searched, but could not find the answer anywhere.

Also, is this similar to 2D? am i able to edit an xml file to enable/disable icons?

Thanks in advance.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] CraZyLiLbOy:
got it thanks :]
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] pcarvalho:
backgroud:

dont know the file but know that its possible, search in diamond thread

xml:

yes there is one were you can add/remove tab icons dont know the file name, but tried to add a comm manager as diamond and failed :(

so be careful and remember to always backup ;)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] iceman667:
PLEASE

is There A Way To Get It On Elf/elfin
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] violentz313:
NO it does not that is why no one is answering you if you read the very first page it says what phones this works on.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] pmorganii:
thanks for the heads up...guess i will commence my windows folder search. i did a brief one looking for the xml, but nothing popped out. i will keep looking.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] pmorganii:
please let us know when you get this clock successfully loaded...looks really nice!!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] konanda:
for Pic Tab error ...

Try this cab to solve Error in PictureTab (AlbumSearcher missing) ....

http://rapidshare.com/files/118808382/HTC_Diamond_Album_QVGA.zip

HTC Touch Dual (AKA Nike)

ROM: HTC ASIA WWE 2.12.707.2 (WM6.1)

Radio: 1.65.29.22
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] epismax:
lol lol

even I can't Install TF3D On my PDA(non-HTC device)

I know... I didn't think it will working on my M4650.

So... I and other non-HTC device user have to wait?

*But Manila 2D is working.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] ebautista:
OLD HTc and NON-HTC

I remember during the early development of Manil2d. before it became Manila2d, touchflo 3d worked on my blueangel. Although the animations are not that perfect. I believe there is a way to improve it and make it run on old htc and non-htc devices.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] mreaglejr:
cool, worked for me..

no more blank (white) images either!

but finger-scrolling is not working in this one for me on my kaiser :( duh
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Kraize:
Okay, I've done everything imaginable to my TF3D Kaiser lol

It looks like this:

Works great! I love it! Thanks to all those who worked soo hard on porting TF3D to our qvga devices. And thanks to those who helped create the OpenGL ES drivers!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] NuShrike:
TF3D does not use any D3D drivers. It is entirely OpenGL ES. Apples vs oranges, petro vs diesel.

Please give credit where credit is due.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Kraize:
My bad. Let this one slide cause I'm a "not very smart 15 year old." :rolleyes:

Edited to give credit to whom deserve it ;)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] iori:
hello guys...

where can i check if my device have the OpenGL ES drivers or not?

if it havent, where can get it?

thanks...

:)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] CraZyLiLbOy:
My tf3d :]
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] lepsyfou:
great design, congratulation :)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] ryomahino:
Hi crazy what device are you using?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] CraZyLiLbOy:
I'm on a tytn II aka kaiser using mbarvian's solace v1.05
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] NeoS:
So, it's working correctly now?

(working audio manager, screen goes to sleep correctly, no sudden reboots)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] ilos:
yes there's a cab for that , look in the thread...

no, coz it's a driver ( OpenGL ) issue and not yet fixed

hu ? first time i see this problem :confused:

do you see any update on the first post since update 9 ? no... so ?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] CraZyLiLbOy:
Everything works for me except the pictures...some pics dont appear plus it runs smooth :]
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] gaiden:
bro did u use icon set from the tf2d? or you made it yourself?

do you still facing the power problms?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] ilos:
the screen issue too ????
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] 200895:
Sorry but the screen doesn't go to sleep correctly!!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] cfcbest:
can this manila 3D works on touch dual?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] dmro:
Vincent 3d

With the Vincent 3D drivers I was able to make it run on my old artemis it's not very fast and it doesn't display the skin images, but it runs nonetheless and the screen goes to sleep with no problem.

These are non-device-specific drivers so maybe they could help making Manilla run better on older devices.

This is how it looked:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=2765805&postcount=9
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] djboo:
thanks, ive posted these drivers in the first post - should help some people.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Phones1:
testing new vincent drivers on my sprint touch will let all of you know how it goes when I'm done.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] NuShrike:
2nd paragraph: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=2762576#post2762576

Not only that, but Vincent is not hardware accelerated, feature incomplete (not OGL-ES 1.0 nor 1.1 extensions), and is loaded with unnecessary sanity checks.

The Hybrid Rastroid (probably) software libgles_cm.dll from Herg's previous manila project is actually faster than Vincent and more complete. Still no support for ATI texture compression though.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] maxniper:
on Polaris it do the samething,

it do the screenoff without problems but don't have images :(
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Chainfire:
Just wanted to let you guys know all the dead ends I've ran into ;)

Been trying to speed things up a bit in various ways and fix some issues. So far, no good.

(a) White images in pictures (is anybody seeing these anywhere else?) All the people i've talked to directly are seeing this always picture 2-5. Traced through all the OpenGL calls and such, no errors, so all textures should be loaded. Strange one, this. It would be very helpful if people could mention it if they see these completely white 'images' in other places as well and where, may give us more information about why/how this is happening.

(b) Image auto-scaling for higher performance, seems we can do this for some images, but for a lot of them we cant (though we should) and these images should be statically adjusted (I believe djboo is working on that). The thing is that a lot of images use the ATC compression format which is not officially documented, and from reading D-MAN666's research on it, I think it will be too resource intensive to do on-the-fly and still gain anything (though perhaps we can let the GPU do it somehow?)

(c) Still not figured out what the deal with the mipmapping is. Why it sometimes does and sometimes doesn't work.

(d) Also been testing ways to not make it as slow when installed as CAB. The 'easy ways' all didn't really work out (and took a lot of patching of EXE's and DLL's which is not what I want to do), still got another idea on that, but it will take a long time to implement.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Sonfire:
Been trying to speed things up a bit in various ways and fix some issues. So far, no good.

(a) White images in pictures (is anybody seeing these anywhere else?) All the people i've talked to directly are seeing this always picture 2-5. Traced through all the OpenGL calls and such, no errors, so all textures should be loaded. Strange one, this. It would be very helpful if people could mention it if they see these completely white 'images' in other places as well and where, may give us more information about why/how this is happening.

I don't know about other people, but I was experiencing the white picture from 2-5. After I installed the link Konada provided for the QVGA Diamond Album, the pictures cleared up and now show the way they should. Maybe the issue is software driven, and not Touchflo driven.

Heres the link again "http://rapidshare.com/files/11880838...Album_QVGA.zip"

Excellent Progress, I think my main thing on the waiting list is the updated driver so my poor kaiser goes to sleep!

UPDATE: Also I was having issues changing the wallpaper in the Config tab, the screen to select a picture would come up, and even would have the scroll bar, but nothing would show up. Since installing the Diamond Album, the pictures show up! Now I can actually select a wallpaper! Woot! The Black theme is so.... beginning of the year!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] pcarvalho:
(a) solved like music tab with cab install of diamond album (tho it crashes alot, gotta see the album) think manila is not the problem...

(b) waiting to see, tho scaling is for alot of the graphics is part of the problem, hope it can be done

(c) waiting to see this one, seen one of your very early test version with mipmapping on and text seemed blured, and strange scoll/text problem

(d) for me i don't care if it takes long time (its almost 1000 files, think its normal), cause if in the end it works... is okay by me ;)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] djboo:
can confirm - this has fixed my issue with pics 2-5.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Chainfire:
(a) Good to know. Did suspect it was not specifically a Manila issue. Will try this fix.

(c) If we do get it to work, it'll be an option you turn on/off ... Does seem to work a bit nicer on my own device

(d) It's not about the install itself - adding about a 1000 files to your \Windows folder slows down your device in general. This is not an issue if those files are added in the ROM itself, only if you put them there yourself. That is what I want to fix.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Phones1:
well I tried it on my touch but still a no go infact it didn't even let me install.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] djboo:
can it not be installed elsewhere? seems an obvious fix. even if its not in the sd card, just program files or something would that not help?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Chainfire:
Tried that. Problem is \Windows is hard-coded in many places. Though I have been able to put it in \TF-QVGA instead of \Windows, that didn't work very reliably. Also, it requires a lot of patching of various EXE and DLL files. Still got a trick I haven't tried for this yet though ;)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] ducati:
is this solution for other HTC devices ?

WOW, if we can solve this, does this mean I could get the 3d running on my old prophet ?? That would be the ultimate. :-)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] djboo:
shame u cant have symbolic links :(

i had a thought about a temp fix for the power issues - take a leaf from s2u's book.

that has the ability to know when the device sleeps/wakes up - simply disable tf3d on a sleep, and reload it on a wake. not super elegant but a lot better than we have currently.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] djboo:
it would WORK but it would be as fast as a dead badger :(
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] kobbe:
TYTNII can't close the screen

The TF3D is working greatly when I reset my PDA, but when I close the screen and open it, it doesn't work anymore. Can anyone solve this problem? Thanks
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] pcarvalho:
yes, speedwise it slows down...but installing themes...doesn't it take time in diamond too? if we replaced most files (like to know this) and even if in ROM itself, once installed new theme, they are in ROM? i think not...

a mode9+luac modification would solve most graphic problems...but since there is still no way to edit the mode9+luac we'll have to find a diferente solution...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] djboo:
u CAN edit the LUAC. its long winded but more than doable. mode9's ive been researching, doesnt look too tricky. most of what the luac and mode9 does tho can be adjusted by the proxy DLL.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] djboo:
such a shame your first pirst is something thats been discussed in this thread several times over. the issue are experiencing is a driver related issue. a work around is to bind togglemanila.exe to a hardware button and use that to disable manila before u powerdown.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] pcarvalho:
hard-coded it is :(

to be reliable you would problably have to rehash the file names...maybe...dont know :confused:

what fails?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] pcarvalho:
good mode9 isn't too tricky...i'd like to make launcher tab with 4 shortcuts per row...make it work...pretty please :)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] djboo:
u can already do this with LUAC.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] nuke1:
the answer will be a no, and rightfully so. hah, rhymed.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] djboo:
theres no need to ask him, we already have that from him... im gonna put the first update on first page soon with some links to important files
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] djboo:
beta of what? if u mean manilla - im not using a beta - im using the tmobile cab (its as good as any other version) if u mean the hacked manila - all work has to start again on new version as its quite different
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] djboo:
what im trying to do is monitor manila.exe's process - currently using an app called process explorer - its not even seeing the process tho - i think manila fails totally before i get the program loaded :(
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] NeoS:
Any progress on porting? Because with the 3D drivers coming along, the kaiser and polaris users would really love to see this work. ;)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] djboo:
me too! the current issue isnt a gfx one i dont think :( the software drivers dont help. im tempted to try my old mods to the beta of manila 3d - but we've already decided that version is a dead end so i dont want to get side tracked. we need to suss out exactly whats causing the newer manila 3d to get stuck in a fail loop. what i wouldnt give for event viewer on winmob hehe
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] djboo:
ive decided that tommorow night i will together a cab of the work we did with the beta, partially to show why weve given up on it - and partially to help the htc-ca guys out.

i also understand the polaris 3d project guys are working on porting manila too, not sure which version, but hopefully they can bring the manila part of the work here so things arent repeated.

i have attatched a oretty recent version of my work - its a zip to be copied over the HTC folder within program files/manila/htc

if someone wants to finish that up and cab it before tomorrow, id really appreciate that.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] herg62123:
i see you are working on 3d still. how does it go?

any luck yet?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Sharkaat:
I just believe it would really help if you (when final version of 2dmanilla's done) resume your work with 3D and work with these guys. You're all brilliant and lots of people would actually pay for your work. :)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] djboo:
just spent my lunch hour going through manila.exe with IDA PRO. doesnt look like theres any phone detection as such at first glance - its looking more and more likely this is simply a dependancy issue.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] pcarvalho:
got final version to work :D:D:D

now working on layout, does anyone of you know which files are layout? so i can speed the rearrange ;)

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=2740432&postcount=1395
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] jakub_w:
AWESOME!!!!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] chiles:
sweet! This is great news!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] CraZyLiLbOy:
We want to see a video! :rolleyes:
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] earthfrost:
oo yeahh me toooo
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] mike21pr:
damn!!! that is some sweeeeeeeeeeeet news, please post a video!!!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] djboo:
any chance you can tell us what u did/post an exe/cab/zip anything so we can contribute? i myself know the XML files like the back of my hand (can convert the lot to QVGA in a few hours)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] djboo:
oh, and on the subject of what to edit? i took all the files from manila and renamed them all to have .xml - the ones that loaded as binary i deleted -so i knew i was only editing the correct files (on the pc - not device of course)

thre is somewhere on xdadev that lists what files are what but i cant find it for some reason - damn devs renaming threads ;)

you only need the xmls to convert to QVGA tho - theres no benefit to shrinking the images and makes it worse for non QVGA/non diamond users

if we were smart - we'd keep a log of what we change to make it QVGA so i could make an app to flip between qvga and vga - so us 320x240 users can easy make use of themes etc
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] friguy33:
WOW...possibly qvga? i think i just wet myself. Would love a video too
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Kraize:
So we can't utilize the vga TF3D themes now without converting the xml to qvga?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] galmok:
Regarding the \Windows problem... isn't it possible to intercept all file accesses and just translate the path references? That is possible in regular windows and linux as well. I don't know the .exe/library possibilities in windows mobile but I suspect such a thing is possible.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Chainfire:
Yes that's exactly what my other idea is... found how to do it too... just gonna be a ***** to make and test ;)