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[XPERIA X1 General] Insaneboy:
Come on guys... be reasonable, no need to get all worked up.

Let's just wait for a final device and judge then, it should be along shortly...
[XPERIA X1 General] msalmank:
Thank you for answering to that... :)
[XPERIA X1 General] msalmank:
EXACTLY!!!
[XPERIA X1 General] Black93300ZX:
Ohh tough guy, I guess you didn't hear the part where I said I considered buying an Xperia and I could get one if I wanted it, so I have no reason to be biased against it.
[XPERIA X1 General] Black93300ZX:
Well then I guess there was no reason to creating a thread and comparing 2 devices when 1 isn't yet released, eh? I never EVER said the released device will be awful, all I said is that I was worried about the quality control because the Xperia seems to have had 10x the amount of problems before release than the Fuze had. Of course, as soon as I come out and say I don't think the Xperia will stack up, I have 5 people telling me how biased I am "to satisfy yourself with the buggy touchpro you possess"? Psych, I don't have a Touch Pro. To say I don't like it is one thing, but to blame me for being biased based on a device I used to own? That doesn't even make sense, if I thought it was the greatest phone in the universe I wouldn't have sold it. The people who are saying it will be so amazing and I don't know what I'm talking about are the people who have NEVER spoken with someone who's used it. I've spoken with a guy who had one in his hand while talking to me, and he said the quote I posted, "I wouldn't wipe my ass with it." But I guess you guys know better based on things you've seen on sonyericsson.com and youtube. You're right.
[XPERIA X1 General] Insaneboy:
Ok, which device are you going to go for then?
[XPERIA X1 General] msalmank:
Dude Chill!!! I know someone in England who has used a prototype model and yes he did say that it was slow at times, but he was impressed by the overall device and was looking forward to reviewing the final device. Another one here in Pakistan in United Mobiles (a company that is the offical provider of mobile sets here in Pakistan - SE, Nokia, Samsung, etc.) also said something similar. But i did not put any of their comment in the comparison because i did not do a performance comparison but more of a feature comparison, and whatever their comments, they were on a prototype of the device and not the original one.

The blame game for being biased started from you actually, you called me biased, but i chose to ignore it.

I really appreciate your feedback. You and i share the same concerns about this set (Xperia) till i went over the final specs of the set and reviews of the latest prototypes. When you made your first post in this thread, you were unaware of a couple of things, including the increased RAM and more...

Let us just bow out gracefully and not take part in any blame games, for seriously what's the use of that? Let us wait and see as the final Xperia device's review start coming in.

BTW - most of the videos that ran into problems with a prototype of Xperia were using the earliest prototypes with ony 128 MB ram and initial implementation of Panels. As a software developer, it is usual for a project to face bugs and performance bottlenecks in its development, so its not a huge concern for me that their panels were buggy in the prototypes. Furthermore, Xperia Panels are a bigger than the Touch Flo 3D - in terms of functionality and thus more chances of there being bugs, not to mention to support custom panels too.

In the end i have
[XPERIA X1 General] msalmank:
He's not going for Xperia - at least at the moment... but is probably waiting for the final version's reviews to start coming out so that he can see if SE really pulled off a great device or not.
[XPERIA X1 General] Black93300ZX:
Well, I'm still debating, honestly. I think I want something with Android, so I might wait for AT&T to come out with a phone that has it (hopefully it's nicer than the G1). If not, I really don't know... I might go back to the Fuze, and although you guys say OH MY GAWD TEH XPERIA ISH BETTAR... The Xperia is $900+, the Fuze will be $299. IMO, 96 megs of RAM and a wider screen and lack of G-sensor is not worth 3x as much to me. Also, the keyboard... Blegh. After using the Fuze for close to a month I realized how much nicer a 5 row keyboard is, I hate having to hit the function key every other second which you'll have to do on the Xperia.

Under $100, baby :)

Haha oh ****, even THAT has an accelerometer lolllll
[XPERIA X1 General] msalmank:
I was impressed by the G1 - its a "nice" device, but not for me. I definitely want a Windows Mobile for starters.

3 weeks back, Touch Pro was on top of my list, but then with the changes in Xperia's specs and previews of the latest prototype have made made Xperia jump to #1 on my list and gotten Touch Pro down to second.

You say that the Touch Pro/Fuze is for $299... i am confused. I thought it was going around for $899 at most stores? Or are you talking about it via a contract? If so, then there is a chance that AT&T or whichever network provider you use will launch it too. Regardless of what the AT&T guy said, i am sure that AT&T does not come to a decision of whether to launch a set based on prototypes only, so if Xperia is as good as *WE* believe it to be, it'll definitely come to AT&T and many others.

As for the Xperia keyboard... as much as i've read so far, Touch Pro's keyboard is the top one in the market whereas Xperia's keyboard has been called a few things from being mushy or feeling too soft (giving you the feeling that you might not have pressed a key or something like that) - but we'll know the exact quality of they keyboard too once released. (even still, i am certain that no matter how much they improve the Xperia keyboard, it might not beat teh Touch Pro's keyboard - i used it on a friend's device and it was simply the best)

Peace out!
[XPERIA X1 General] Black93300ZX:
^^^Well, if AT&T DOES release the Xperia it'll be in like 6 months. They'll be releasing the Fuze within the next 2 months, and most likely at $299 with contract. As I've said I don't think the Xperia will be a bad phone, but close to a thousand dollars when a *comparable* (you're comparing them here aren't you?) phone is selling for under 1/3 of that... That's just not worth it.
[XPERIA X1 General] Insaneboy:
It's selling for that much in YOUR country.

In the rest of the world it's just as much as Xperia, so that's not an issue. :P
[XPERIA X1 General] Black93300ZX:
Well, in the rest of the world you can get both of them cheap as hell with a contract. I've seen in the UK, Omnias free with contract. That doesn't happen here. The thing about the Xperia I still don't understand, why didn't they put an accelerometer in it? That just doesn't make sense to me.
[XPERIA X1 General] msalmank:
You're comparing the price of one set against another on two different levels. comparing the prices with one set's price with contract and the other out of the store without contract is unjust. Either look at both set's contract based price or both set's retail price.
[XPERIA X1 General] Insaneboy:
UK is not the rest of the world, my friend ;)

Also, no TV-out - wtf?
[XPERIA X1 General] Black93300ZX:
The UK is part of the rest of the world, it's the only market outside of the US that I'm familiar with. Sorry I'm not going to study Pakistan's available cellular networks. :(
[XPERIA X1 General] Insaneboy:
Well, then dont go around saying stuff like
[XPERIA X1 General] Black93300ZX:
It won't be selling for 1/3rd the price? :|

Oh wait, it will. Sorry, I can't talk for every market in the world when I say the price of things. I don't know how many rubels the Xperia will cost, or how many yen, or baht. I know dollars, euros and pounds, and I know I can get a Fuze for 1/3rd the price of an Xperia. Oh but your Touch Pro sells for the same price? Who cares? That won't get me 3G, so that's as relevant to me as the price of bananas in Colombia. I think the biggest thing you're forgetting is, the question wasn't "why do you think the Touch Pro is better than the Xperia", your own question was:

Which device am

I

going for. Me, personally, not the rest of the world. That's why I brought up the price, I wouldn't buy another Fuze for $1,000.

Get off my back.
[XPERIA X1 General] aeratos:
Greatttttt
[XPERIA X1 General] samy.3660:
Oh now call any mr. sane, and he will say your commerce is just great.

Go buy Fuze in your country without contract and tell me, how much it costs.

I am laughing my heart and mind out, at your commerce knowledge!!!! LLLooolllll!!!!!
[XPERIA X1 General] Black93300ZX:
Fuze without contract here will likely be around $549.99, whereas you'd pay $950 USD equivalent for your Touch Pro... Keep laughing out loud, I'm glad you enjoy wasting money. :)

I see you're from India, so I could get my Fuze, without contract, for 25,500 Indian rupees... Haha, your currency is the "rupee"? That just made my day.
[XPERIA X1 General] samy.3660:
Don't you wanna call us third world country instead. Lol...

Now touchpro is 950$ and i dont think xperia will be any costlier than touch pro. You getting it??
[XPERIA X1 General] Black93300ZX:
Why would I call India a 3rd world country? I know you love treating all Americans as ignorant, but I know you live in the largest city in India and much of your nation is far from third world. Yet you're the one who throws stones when it comes to nation of origin, mocking my economy when I can still get things for half the price you can. I don't know what you think I'm supposed to be "getting", he asked me what device I'd go with, I said maybe the Touch Pro because it's 1/3rd the price. If you have a problem with me using prices from where I'm buying it, don't ask me what I'm getting. That's simple enough, no?
[XPERIA X1 General] samy.3660:
See when you get a phone in contract, the price is subsidized by the contractor(in your case AT&T), but not by the manufacturer. That is how you get it in 1/3 rd the price. In same way may be xperia will also be available in contract with more or less same the amount.

But the price without contract(i.e., manufacturer price, in this case HTC) is the original price!!! That is how you compare it with rest of the world. In India we do get phone with contract, but at the end you end paying more or less the same amount.
[XPERIA X1 General] Black93300ZX:
Right, and the unsubsidized price, outside of contract, is expected to be $549.99... Still $400 less than you'd pay. I can unlock it with AT&T for free, so basically we'd both have unlocked Touch Pros that worked with 3G in our areas, and I'd have $400 USD more in my pocket.

Here's the thing you're still not understanding, he asked me "what device will you be getting?"... When you ask that question, it doesn't matter what the unsubsidized price is, because I'm not evaluating international overall value of the devices. It only matters how much I can get it for, that's why I answered maybe the Fuze. I know I can get it for $300 and that's what enters into my mind as a factor.
[XPERIA X1 General] msalmank:
Dude!!! The price of Touch Pro is $899 in most outlets (no contract)... but you can pretty much get it for around $850-900. Not $549.99. ( you have the price of Touch Pro and that of HTC touch Diamond confused)
[XPERIA X1 General] Black93300ZX:
Wow, aren't you just so smart? The AT&T Fuze, aka The HTC Touch Pro, with AT&T branding... A push to talk button, no front camera, 850/1900/2100mhz UMTS... Will surely sell for $549.99 without contract, $399.99 with 2 year contract, and $299.99 after rebate with a data plan. That's how the Tilt sold when it was released, the Fuze definitely will NOT cost over $600. I'm aware the Touch Pro costs $950 directly from HTC, but guess what? I can't get 3G with it here! Please, before you speak, have a CLUE of what you're talking about.
[XPERIA X1 General] msalmank:
Aren't we comparing HTC Touch Pro and Xperia here - in their original release. How much will the Fuze (a.k.a AT&T version of Touch Pro) cost is entirely different.

True that on a personal level, you should be comparing how much YOU can get the device for, but in a general comparison the original device's price counts. So Touch Pro is around $900 to 950, and Xperia is expected to be around $950.

As for the AT&T Price without a contract, can you link me to a site that announces the price for that to be $549?
[XPERIA X1 General] Keland44:
it kinda reminds me of my old s710a it was a sony phone i really loved it

i don't think this was mentioned but the battery for the x1 is using lithium ion polymer 1500 size battery that's supposed to hold more of a charge then a regular lithium ion battery

http://xperiancers.com/2008/09/23/project-hercules/
[XPERIA X1 General] Black93300ZX:
Here's what you people are STILL failing to understand. In my original posts comparing the devices, I never brought up price once. Then he asked what device I would be getting, I said maybe the Touch Pro because it's 1/3rd the price. So as you said, on a personal level I'm comparing the price from AT&T, not HTC, because I'd never buy a phone without 3G.
[XPERIA X1 General] lildogg:
dude, aren't u the one who payed like $900 for an early prototype of the fuze, so wats the problem wid paying $100 more 4 da xperia. nd can ure fuze do video calling like the touch pro. if not, then stop saying that touch pro and the fuze are the same devices because they are not. u say that ure fuze had no problems, dats cause at&t had pbly not loaded all their bloatware on it so wait 4 da fuze to offically release nd then tell me dat it has no problems..
[XPERIA X1 General] andeelym:
Let the fuze man be and let us not deviate from the sex1ness of xperia.

I voted for Xperia because I believe that SE will enhance user experience thru software and the phones will definitely be ample-powered to drive those software/application promises.

I come from experience of using slow laggy (underpowered) nokia phones and HTC phones where no user-experience enhancing software were installed. It actually cause alot of frustration in my non-techie friends. I am comparing Dopod838 Pro vs Treo 750v out of the box. The Treo device was so much more user friendly and works very well, without needing to install any software. Very user friendly, unlike the Dopod device which you

have

to install apps to make things work better. My experience with SE phones have been very good. I have used at least 7 SE phones, to make the claim that they are fast and well equipped.

Keeping my fingers cross for what I said about SE for the Xperia.
[XPERIA X1 General] Black93300ZX:
Try speaking English next time instead of chewing it up and spitting it out. I paid $900 for the Fuze and I sold it for $1,000... Do I have a problem with paying $1,000 for a phone? No. Would I pay $700 more for the Xperia than the Fuze? No. "OH BUT IT CAN'T DO VIDEO CALLING..." Here's a news flash for you chief, do you live in the US? The Touch Pro can't make video calls here either, because the network doesn't support it. So it's your call, do you want no 3G and no video calling or just no video calling? As for bloatware, I'm glad to hear from someone who's never touched or seen the device that there was none on there. There was an entire "AT&T" tab in TF3D with TeleNav, BlackBerry Connect, all of that BS that I'll never use. I'm not going to "wait 4 da fuze" because that's not really the phone I want, it's a possibility but not a probability.
[XPERIA X1 General] Black93300ZX:
Well, if SE gets the support they're claiming to expect with companies making panels for their websites/applications/etc, it will be kick ass and blow the Fuze away. That being said, with Android coming out around the same time as the Xperia, I can't imagine anyone honestly expecting that kind of support. If you're a company with a certain amount to put into developing mobile applications, are you going to go for a fully developed marketplace on an open-source OS using java scripting that will work on ANY phone with Android, or are you going to make a cute little panel for 1 individual phone? There will be individuals making panels, but that's all of the support it'll get IMO.
[XPERIA X1 General] samy.3660:
This Thread Is Getting Ridiculous, please Close It
[XPERIA X1 General] clburns1:
maybe, but the poll is still good, haha.
[XPERIA X1 General] Black93300ZX:
lol the Touch Pro is getting pwnnneeddd.

And yeah I'm not going to argue this anymore, I don't care what's "better" as I don't really want either, I might go with a cheap phone if I can't get what I really want (AT&T phone with Android). That's it, no more from me, continue the conversation without argument. :)
[XPERIA X1 General] clburns1:
Wow, you made a really good point actually. Hmmm...I guess it all depends on how well both devices hit off...but there are still going to be a lot of people that are really loyal to the WM os. So far I still am until android gets improved a lot! So maybe there is still a really good fighting chance. However I could see most business people still going with WM for a phone, specifically due to the fact that its gonna be more stable just becuase It's been around for a long time.

Either way, you made a really good point!
[XPERIA X1 General] grayme:
An interesting thread. :)

I was always thinking either HTC Touch Pro or the HD.

I still am. :)
[XPERIA X1 General] lildogg:
it seems to me that Black93300ZX always wants something to argue about, and he can't stand all the people who are excited about the xperia. Black93300ZX, if you're not really interested in the xperia, what are you even doing on the xperia forum ?
[XPERIA X1 General] Pinguino1:
Yeah, The touch pro forum people will welcome your broad knowledge and advice about that device in all its personalities fuze, pro, diamond, hd
[XPERIA X1 General] Black93300ZX:
I was asked which phone I would go with, I said maybe the Fuze because it's cheaper, and you jumped on me with this statement:

Now tell me, if you could speak English all along like you did in your second post, why make a post like that? It's insulting to you and your family to say that that's the best you can do. I don't know why you felt it was your place to say that, you pretty much challenged my statement that the Fuze was cheaper than the Xperia. I would never say the Fuze blows the Xperia away in functionality, they're the same phone underneath with different software and changes to the exterior hardware. I was probably following the Xperia closer than most of you for the first few months after announcement, I was almost sure it was the phone I wanted... Over time, seeing a lot more about the phone, I've decided it's not. That's why I started coming to the Xperia forum.
[XPERIA X1 General] Black93300ZX:
Well, considering the Xperia has the same chipset and form (close dimensions, slide out keyboard, touch screen that's just a bit wider) as well as the same base operating system... The biggest difference between Touch Pro and Xperia is TF3D or Panels. So are you saying a device with no keyboard and a screen that's not close in dimensions (Touch HD) is closer to the Touch pro simply because it has TF3D? I'm confused.
[XPERIA X1 General] samy.3660:
Black if you dont want xperia, than why you still arguing here. Just let go....
[XPERIA X1 General] steven10freak:
Probably a matter of pride.
[XPERIA X1 General] dazza9075:
The two phones are very similar as far as i can see the X1 is more orientated to low work usage good media usage and a nice phone, the TP is more geared to High work usage, low media usage and a nice phone.

Its tricky choice but the TV out is a great feature, no more laptops for PP presintations! just need a laser pointer built in to it and away we go!
[XPERIA X1 General] Black93300ZX:
I already said I was done, why don't you ask lildogg why he called me out after I posted saying it's over and let the conversation carry on? He's the one who's beating a dead horse, it was over and done with and he resurrected the situation.
[XPERIA X1 General] andeelym:
I second that.

But I think Andriod might have a tough competition with thousands of developers already on the WM platform. And currently, only G1 is the supported platform for Andriod (? Correct me if I am wrong about my perception that Andriod will only work with the G1). But I am interested to see Andriod on other phones already with OSes installed. Cos I am not sure of phone manufacturers like Samsung will manufacture a phone for Andriod.
[XPERIA X1 General] Black93300ZX:
Regardless if it's manufactured for Android or not, Android will work on most phones and should be easily ported because it is open source. The expectations are that once Android really takes off you can put it on any phone you want, and this will make it wildly popular (or so we think). I have a feeling that a year from now you'll be seeing a LOT of Android handsets... But only time will tell.
[XPERIA X1 General] andeelym:
Hopefully, but personally, i am not so keen on having a phone that connects to the internet most of the time. One of the reasons being that I do not have an unlimited data plan and do not plan to go for one unless I really have to, not just becos i got a phone that have to.
[XPERIA X1 General] Black93300ZX:
Ah well, that's going along the iPhone theory, and I wouldn't be surprised if T-Mo made unlimited data mandatory for the G1. My feeling is, without unlimited data there's no use for a PocketPC as so many of their features require data anyways. I can understand your side, though, and maybe the G1 truly isn't the device for you.
[XPERIA X1 General] andeelym:
Well, yes, and even with an iPhone, I am not on unlimited data plan. I access App Store/Cydia/Installer at home with WiFi. And I use it as an phone cum entertainment device while on the road.

Same goes for my PocketPC. I only use the internet when I need to use GooSync and to RDP into my servers. Other than that, its a phone/PDA. Well, maybe I am just acting like a lagacy Palm PDA user.

Frankly, even though the G1 has my fav colour (white), the keyboard is not appealing. And I will only buy it only when more apps and games for G1 are out.
[XPERIA X1 General] Black93300ZX:
I just did the math, without unlimited data last month my bill would have been $11,212.80 USD for data alone. x_x

I think I'll stick with unlimited data.
[XPERIA X1 General] Jabe:
OT:

@Black93300ZX

Since you have unlimited data you oviously use 3g a lot. Do you experience any problems with 3g signal, like not geting a connection or the signal being weaker or unstable? Do you use this on one place only or do you move around a lot?
[XPERIA X1 General] Black93300ZX:
I've used my Fuze in HSPA zones in Boston, NYC, Albany, and I believe I had 3G (but not HSPA) in Burlington, VT but I can't guarantee it. No sort of issue with sketchy signal, always consistent, none of this flipping back and forth stuff that I hear complaints about with a lot of other phones. The Fuze trumped my Duo when it came to 3G reception, getting 3G in places the Duo would be stuck on EDGE. I did a few connection speed tests at my house in MA, and I'm on the outside border of a 3G zone, barely within it... Consistently got 470-500kbps, which isn't bad considering I'm 40 miles from the city targeted in the 3G market.
[XPERIA X1 General] Jabe:
Thank you. I mainly use 3G connection where my good old SE P990 gets 2-3 bars and would be really bumped if my new 600-euro-phone could not pick up the signal.
[XPERIA X1 General] clburns1:
Yeah, I'm completely with you on this one. I use 3g all the time. On average in a month I will have about 4gigs used through my phone, which I can't afford to not have unlimited.
[XPERIA X1 General] Black93300ZX:
Awww, awww, oh no, what's that, you're wrong? Retail versions are coming out with 256MB of RAM, the Touch Pro has 288... Right.
[XPERIA X1 General] msalmank:
There is confusion over this at this point. SE guys at Xperiancers are still saying that final version have 384 MB... so we're now trying to find out if it is 256 MB for the device and 128 MB dedicated for the 3D chip or something like that.
[XPERIA X1 General] Keland44:
good had me scared there for a minute i started lookin for adapter and all that good stuff i got way to many miniusb cables to have to switch to micro thanks black