yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] powergator:
Well, point taken edbutler

Ed,

I appreciate what you are saying here, and I will do just what you recommend.

I am merily trying to see if anyone else has noticed what I see. To consider whether other GUIs are beyond this beast that is so prevalent in the restaurant menu selections. I am a pioneer by nature.

But, I think the fun that was intended by me has made our more sensitive community members ruffle their feathers, instead of considering the merit of what I say.

But, thank you for your offering to me. You will see a donation to the chef that makes the next NON-Manila 2D ROM I select.

One closing comment to consider:

Most of those that have left did not leave because of anyone ungrateful for their effort. They left for faster phones. They left their little dinosaurs behind.... ;):rolleyes:;)

Eggsactly hang.tuah. We will join you soon my brother. You are a pioneer ahead of me. I was kind of disappointed about 4.7, but I understand!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] phantomy2g:
wow i think you r whole judgement is premature... my phone actually is running faster and smoother than its ever ran... im using darkforcesteam manilla rom and have yet to experience any freezing or lag.... and maybe if u headed over to the general dev. and hacking u would know and understand why it is still in beta... but in short the chefs here are great and put much effort to keep our phones on the cutting edge of technology. and i would suggest the next time u want to put out ur opinion do it in the general section after uve researched ur complaint and how the mast majority feels a little more... cuz clearly manilla2d is not about millaseconds of performance and its in beta cuz they are advancing it almost daily did u know that there is theme management now and compatible with almost all devices damn kinda hard to make final when this is so new and so many improvements are continually being achieved... and since this is a matter of opinion since ive put manilla2d on my phone with the amazing opal dialer ive never been happier with its functionality i cant stop scrolling through the darn thing

and this is why we love manilla 2D whens the last time u seen htc home look like this...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] joel2009:
if it is cooked into a rom it is one of the fastest of its type and if you haven't noticed this site is called xda-DEVELOPERS..... no kidding it is gonna have some bugs its a beta it is still being developed.

i guess i should welcome you to the DEVELOPMENT site?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] joel2009:
hahahaha ed.... love your response
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] twistkill:
it doesnt matter its functional or not! its an opinion

some people think its not, for some people it is..

and for some its just plain eye candy!

if you dont want m2d then there are other options

you guys talk as if there is only one ROM out there and it has m2d installed as if its etched on stone!

if m2d slows down your phone or if u think its bloatware..you can download the base and install Spb Pocket Plus and Spb Diary, Battery Status, WMA Phone Profiles, and Sun'n'Moon etc etc..
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] _fm:
Hi hang,. just dropped in just to say,. "How are you?"

Tomorrow should be iedul fitri right sir?

Hope all is well with you,.

BR
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] aaronsmckee:
TF2D runs pretty well in ROMS with it cooked in, however it certainly is a resource hog, for those that prefer speedier results a lite rom is certainly a better option. That said all the major advances on xda, from getting htc home to work, to getting the touchflo cube going, to the latest TF2D have had a feeling out/tweaking phase. Generally there is a major break through by a dev or dev team then the cooks get a hold of it and keep tweaking untill it runs super smooth. Think of it as the difference between science and engineering (science has the underlying breakthrough, engineering makes it usable). If you want to get TF2D running even faster (most of the cooked roms run pretty well) trying messing with you page pool/memory cache, though you may have to watch out to make sure you do not have a lot of programs running (your RAM will be lower). Another very easy tweak you can do is change your x button setting to close on tap vs close on tap and hold. If you need to multitask hit the ok button, if not hit X. This will prevent you from having lots of programs open which (because of the additional resources it uses) will slow a device running TF2D down. With the above change I have very good performance with all the Manilla roms (Hyperdragon being the best). After Manilla is running well the next major challenge will be Touchwiz (which rocks like Zepplin) hopefully some devs can use what Sakajati has given us and getting something done. After this latest round (ie manilla and touchwiz) the kaiser maybe at the end of upgradeability (kind a like the wizard is now, hermes is pretty close as well).

Anyway, if you don't like it, don't use it, but before you quit try changing the X button setting and see if you get better results.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] _fm:
This skin sooooooooooo cooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooolllll,. :p

When will we have it in the Development and Hacking Forum??? :D:D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] monx®:
Hi Garmin, yes tomorrow. Selamat menyambut Lebaran & Maaf Lahir Batin :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] powergator:
Hmm, Ok, sort of...

A couple of good points here. I was unaware of theme management. I will look into this until I dump this thing. Thanks for the opinion on the Opal Dialer also. Also, Garmin showed a pretty kewl skin I haven't seen. I wonder if all those graphics will slow our tired little dinos even more. Not one quantitative comment so far on speed of this Gui versus others....interesting.....

Hang.tuah gets what I am trying to say, I think. "Try Manila 3D" when you leave your dinos behind.

Manila 2D will be the Commodore 64 of the PC World in a month or two.....
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] cushcalc:
To me it certainly does matter that it's functional (or not!). Yes, it is just my opinion, and I already stated that I have chosen my alternative route. All you've done is mocked me - you haven't answered my request to show me how this new interface increases the functionality of my phone.

Yes . . . hmmmm . . . interesting isn't it?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] edbutler:
I am with you on that, I am just happy as a kid with a new toy. Last night my daughter said Dad put that darn thing down it's family time and you have been fooling around with that phone all week! I am crazy about the new dailer infact when SJ came out with the Video dialer last week I quickly flashed back to get the opal. last night I Flashed 29th ver and I would live with the speaker phone issue but looks like 30 just went up so here I go again. Got to hurry though my daughter is doing her homework and I got to get this flash done before she comes out of her room. Tough being me. I want to go on record and say that I wouldn't want an Iphone if it were free. I was givin a Blackberry curv from work and it sits in my bottom draw. I forwarded the number to my Tilt's #. I like change, I like to play with the regestry file and customize it to my likeing. I had VP from our company use my phone in the Airport last week he had the same phone but with a stock rom from Tmobile and after what seemed like a long time I said give me my phone back he said I can't believe this is the same phone, He offered me $200 bucks to do to his phone what I did to mine, I said if I do that I will be doing you an injustice. I loged into XDA and we signed him up there in the Airport. Saturday night he called me from New Zeland with the "White Screen issue" trying to Hard SPL , I walked him through the fix and since Sunday he has Flashed 6 Roms and I don't know how many radios. We use these things to work, play to navagate, communicate, I don't need blinding speed in a handheld but when I check out the weather and I see a windshield wiper go accross the screen it brings a bit of spark to my day. It not always important how fast you get there sometimes it just about the ride!!!

Ed...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mantis123:
Is it better to have a "manila2D ready" rom first as it doesn't support lanscape mode, esp. for Kaiser ? :confused:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] powergator:
Kewl Story....

I think you are not alone with your passion. :D This is more of a rom user preferences directed thread vs the technical ones we immerse in usually, but it has certainly brought forward informative discussion.

It'd be nice to see some credence given to not losing sight of the fundamentals (benchmarking, etc) of what a good rom entails while developing. Agree about the ride!! Thanks.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] phantomy2g:
im not sure i understand fullly what u ask about speed but yes the gui on my device flies i have zero lag when panning thru tabs my music loads fast as well as photos or scrolling through my text messages if that helps any...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] phantomy2g:
Yes this is my Blue Galaxy theme on my phone it does not slow my device down any and yes Garmin its is available in the Dev and hacking forum:D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] twistkill:
well it obviously matters if things are functional or not...understand the underlying meaning

the applications that go in the ROM are what chefs choose..

you dont want it, then use a base rom..

if you are installing a manilla enabled rom and complain about manilla you gotta be a moron of the highest order..

as for quantitaive comments..m2d equals home and goes beyond..

if u think m2d is overkill then download the stripped roms...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] powergator:
Benchmarking

Regarding what to measure:

All the standard SPB Benchmarking Stuff except maybe updated or more. I am no expert but saw comments from folks that stated it was not the best tool or a complete measure.

But from a common sense perspective:

-Time to get from power on to gui home screen (using established standard for setup)

-Time to get from Gui links for browser, messages, etc to the corresponding applications startup page (ditto on setup).

-etc.

I notice issues as we all do, but many go unsubstantiated or downright misstated without some baseline testing. Even more difficult between roms/guis. Testing between HTC Home and Manila would be a pretty awesome comparison in access time from the gui link to the startup page. As an example, I find the 9/24 hyper to take a long time to boot from the power up (always eliminate everything I can (animation, etc) to improve this), but not sure why. Also, Opera is a dog to load up to google. I'm not sure if it's just opera, settings for opera, settings for power mgmt/data connection, or stinkin Manila...lol.

Night....
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] phantomy2g:
Ok i understand what ur saying now... and from my experience with manilla and the different roms which i am continually testing i have seen some longer boot up times however darkforcesteam loads faster than any... as far as gui to message pretty fast imho and i dont use opera i use opera mini which works wonders... and the manilla 2d is very customizable if one takes time to familiarize themselves with the HTCHomeSettings.xml.... Well i must say u bring some valid points but at the end of the day it is a choice and right now the trend ya know
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] cushcalc:
Watch who you're calling a moron.

I had to

try

it to be able to decide that it's not my cup of tea. And at the time I tried it, I was using NATF ROM that I really liked, so I tried the next thing he came out with, which had Manilla 2D added in.

You seem to be blind to the point I was trying to make. I do download stripped ROM's, and tweak them out the way I like. But I do also try out new things to see what all the fuss is about - some I like and use, some I like the look of and action of but decide are more fluff than substance

for the way I personally use my PDA

, some I set aside.

You seem to be defending Manilla 2D like an Apple fanatic defends the Mac. But you haven't answered what I asked, which is: tell me why you like it, how it works for you, how it saves you time or increases your productivity or something about it that is really functionally great!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] gregxdoom:
I'd be a lot more down with Manilla if they supported landscape.

Big turn-off for me.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] powergator:
And another thing....lol

Some of the best ROMs ever for the Kaiser were made by people like Dutty who reverere the benchmark as one true measure of ROM success.

Another similar example of not getting to caught up in the fluff is when you spend 20 minutes looking for something on a vendor's website heavily laced with graphics etc, then you notice the "sitemap" button and find what you are looking for in less than a minute. There is a balance to keep with.

Selecting the wap or mobile website of an entitity in lieu of the full version sometimes makes more sense.

Flexibility in ROMs (choices from within a ROM in interfaces, as well as which version to flash (stripped, etc)...

and ....

Keeping with the Basics of a Good ROM (Benchmarking them as an example) should not be lost in the art of ROM development....;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] KD8DNS:
Im really thinking the op is a dumbass. Like many others have said this is a development site. we DEVELOP. Were do you think we would be now if bill gates gave up years ago when developing DOS and Windows. Or if Nikola Tesla gave up on inventing A.C. Current. Yea things may suck when first developed, but that is half the fun... Making it better for everyone else. Not one can do it alone, it takes many minds to create and DEVELOP.

Yea M2D may have some bugs in it, but it clearly says BETA. I am also willing to bet the op a paycheck that it will get better, and a final version will be released. Also keep in mind ALL the people that create this software here are doing it for pure donations, and im sure that is not even close to what a actual developer makes as a living.

So if you want to have anything smart to say, say thanks to the developers here that you d\l all kinds of nice and neat software from.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] khaytsus:
Since this whole discussion is really off topic anyway, I might well ask something off-topic to it..

Can you use traditional Today plugins with M2D? There are several I would never want to give up.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] -888-:
Some ppl really have nothing to do obviously.

Clicking such long posts to bash app that is in development is very helpful indeed... and what is your problem? (Q to OP)

Too slow, too crappy, too this-or-that? just don't freaking use it, that's all it takes! Or help make it better if you know anything else beside badmouthing someone else's work.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] powergator:
Not the Op

What is an op?

As the initiator of the thread, stated about 10 times throughout the thread, my purpose/concern was to focus attention to the following 2 issues (for those hurlers of insults, I will be clear and limit it to two basic points):

#1 - Offer more ROMs using other GUIs (besides Manilla 2D...which in my opinion will lead a short life, as processing speed will zoom right past it for Manila 3D and others stated herein) and not enough using other GUIs that in my opinion are superior.

#2 - Look to the ROMs of even 6 months ago to consider the merits of benchmarking ROMs (and GUIs) and consider such evaluations as key to pushing the speed and efficiency (as well as the functionality)?

And I would offer a little fun and understanding along the way for those with skin thicker than my 98 lb Grandma's. Lighten up...Jeesh.

Regards.

-
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] powergator:
1305 people in less than 24 hours to be exact...I guess

As with all sensory stimulation...if you don't want it, go away....

Many offered many good points in this thread including very established ROM Chefs.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] NotATreoFan:
You are. (Original Poster)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] :
I am using Hung Tuah's rom wm6.1 and Manila 2d.. it is fast enough, no problems, stable and is a very nicely well done interface. I have been through the ipod,pointui,vista themes and so far this is clean and the best.

It is all preference and it depends on how you examine your needs, patience in trying different roms, and experimenting (what works, what doesn't).

tvos
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] scotchua:
The Point

Not everyone is meant to be a beta tester. That is what all Manila2D users are...just beta testers. Beta software always has new features, and usually plenty of bugs. It's a preference as to whether you want the newer or more stable versions. NOthing more than that. If you wanted chefs to cook roms without Manila, then

ASK

them. They might be willing to consider your preferences. Of course, since they are the ones cooking you will be subject to their desire to use it. Everyone has a preference as to what is the "best" and so debating why one program is better than the other is pointless. This thread really has no purpose because if you don't like the software, then don't use it, or use roms from chefs that don't use it. It's just that simple.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ddavis17:
I agree totally, but other than that manila 2d seems fine to me. Im running hyper dragons rom and it runs smooth as ever.:)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] randomguy321:
I must say that i loved the look of Manilla 2D, it was clean looking, but still looked attractive and offered a slick interface that looked good!

Ive gone back to the days before Manilla 2D though, ive just had too many issues with it! Switching from potrait to landscape takes 2 long, sometimes my device just randomly stops responding for different periods of time (sometimes a second or 2, sometimes as much as 10)....

I like Manilla 2D and i think itll be something great in the future, i will carry on trying new ROMs as they come out, i dont think itll be too long before they iron out the issues :)

I dont think its said enough, but thank you very much to the chefs who put their free time into developing ROMs! We stumble onto new great things by experimenting and I think its great that everyone is experimenting with Manilla 2D!

Thanks guys!!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] SkywalkerPD:
I think that Manilla has to get more mature. But it's on it's way to become a great app!

I use Hyperdragon's latest ROM and it works like a charm. The only thing I have problems with is the transition to landscape mode, but that is a known issue.

Don't forget it is still a beta.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ramontrotman:
My good sir, your rant is indeed hollow. First, you must understand how this community works. A chef is a chef because he didn’t the rom that shipped with his device was good enough. And that spawns more chefs who didn’t think they first chef’s rom was good enough for them. This brings you to a harsh reality….if you don’t like whats being cooked, you’re more than welcome to cook it yourself.

Second, roms running 2d as just as fast if not faster than roms we had 3 months ago. Now with the new drivers they’re also a lot more smooth. Before you go off the deep end about bench marks, you should know the tools that are used to measure the performance of these roms are all dated, thus…they do not offer an accurate assessment of the rom. I’ve seen roms show up way faster on the benchmarks are feel like trash….nuff said.

Third, 2d slows nothing down. Very rare these days so you see programs slowing up a 6.1 device. If your feel your device is running slow, then perhaps you’re not as smart as your phone. You must learn to maintain your phone just like you would your pc. Or anything else in your life.

Forth, I disagree with a few points made by other members. 2d is not in beta. We never got it in beta. Htc released it on their phones and it works. However, thanks to the efforts of a few determined people here, we’re all able to give new life to our aging device. So let’s not attack the software for bugs and question its stability, because rightfully speaking it has no right to be. And for something that has no right to be…it’s more than excellent.

So I urge you my good man, if you do not like the roms that are being pushed out, then cook your own. By all means, you should feel free to rant…but watch what you say. Be mindful of other people’s efforts.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] MACkjam:
This is indeed a very interesting thread. Firstly, I am all for playing devil's advocate. This is one of those cases where opinions will greatly vary. Some are for and some against. It all boils down to choice. Personally, I think that your opening post contains a lot of merit. This manilla 2D (where did they get that name from btw???) is not for me. That is why I would look at other devices before jumping in on this touchflo crap. I have the stock standard rom and LOTS of apps and plugins on my TyTN II. I prefer the Quickmenu way of doing things than smearing my fingers all over the screen. I think too many people are trying to emulate the iPhoney.

The Omnia, and Xperia have way better GUI's than the HTC's at present. Manilla 2D or even 3D is just not my cup of tea. But is it a waste of time? Some people think not. It's all about choices. They should always be there. I am all for new development. That is how we progress. I then choose what I want. In this case, I choose not to go with this new touchflo trend, at least not with manlla 2D on my TyTN II. I still love using the D-pad and stylus.

But to all the chefs and developers....KEEP UP THE STERLING WORK LADS!!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ramontrotman:
manilla was the code word for touchflo 3d in its development stages.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kristoff_sz:
I need to post my feelings about Manilla2D.

I've tried, and tried but... I can't get out from the Manilla claws :D

I really enjoy this interface. I'm missing only one thing (which does have TF3d) and I mean the extended scrolled down home screen.

Anyway its great app for finger using. With the Opal Keyboards and menus/others its really friendly. I'm using Kaiser often, and I always hanging something, the bag, or umbrella or whatever more, and when i have just one hand free - its a gold to have M2D ;).

But when I have two hands, and I'm in office - then I'm using standard today screen with my favourite and usefull plugins.

MACkjam - and I'm using free app - SecondToday which is really usefull and not memory eater. I can switch between Todays really fast. And everything its still stable!

Manilla2D is really great development, and even if its in beta - its really outstanding.

Cheers,

Chris

PS. And I just love that clock skin :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] MACkjam:
I dig that clock!!! I have tried Second Today, but it doesn't like my TyTN II. Keeps hanging and crashing.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kristoff_sz:
What do you mean by that? ;)

SecondToday never caused any crash for me. I'm using it with pleasure. (Now on HD's III Opal ROM).
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] -888-:
If your post was to me then you really have to learn how to read *and understand* written text :rolleyes:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] slovoflud:
i agree with the original poster.

manila is all eye-candy. usability gets low marks. everything it does, Home has by default. the difference is - home takes half the space. (I don't use home - everything i need is 2 clicks away. Android = 1 click ;) )

The real problem is, now there is no choice. All cooked ROMs come with manila. I've gone as far as flashing back to Schaps WM6.0 rom - to get the speed and stability I'm used to.