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[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] humble:
Well if your in the 14 day grace period call t-mobile tec support(there great by the way)tell them your issue. they'll tell you stuff like do a factory rest, and take out and put back the battery. then if none of that works(it didn't for me) they will ether say do you want us to send you one(i didn't cuz he told me it could be referb) or they'll put notes on your account to the store you bought it from and you can exchange for a brand new G1. (My first one was creaky like a old rocking chair):D hope this helps
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] The Great NY:
Ok thanks. Ill give it another day or so before I take it in. And see if it keeps doing it.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] grlddawkin:
dream is all that

g1 the best phone i ever had, not that i've had many but it is simply amazing, learning new things daily. anyone criticizing this technology os looney.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Chryslerq:
I have had this happen on more than one occurrence. Sometimes I have random reboots also.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] d2dthetide:
I have the 19.99 plan and all is well

I got my phone at a tmobile store and asked about switching my SIM card back and forth between my tilt and the G phone. I was upset when they said I couldn't. Said they were two different data plans and one wouldn't work on the other. Until I knew what the G1 could do I didn't want to give up the use of my tilt......especially since I was going on a trip the next day and wanted my tomtom and orb. They didn't sign me up for a data plan since I was going to be using my tilt on the trip...said to go online and switch plans when I got back and moved the SIM to the G phone. Well I'm home....put the SIM in the G1 but didn't switch plans...just didn't seem right that I would have to give up the use of my tilt. I have a family plan with the 9.99 unlimited messaging and 19.99 unlimited data. I don't want to lose the 9.99 unlimited family messaging. On this plan everything seems to be working fine....3G...email.....internet browsing and downloading and google maps and tracking with the screen moving as I go. I haven't gotten any updates.....think this might be because I'm not on the G! plan....but I can download from the market and on mytmobile it does list my phone as the G1. Doesn't seem right that they would create a data plan that isn't really needed and affects family plans.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chefgon:
If you can't afford the data plan, you don't want this phone. It may be possible to trick the web browser into working with a $6 plan, but 90% of the Android Market apps will be worthless. Pony up for the plan or stick with your Dash, you'll be happier with either of those options.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fencer:
Thinking of Getting a G1

I'm thinking of getting a G1 instead of my TYTN II (I will need to crack it as T-Mobile does not operate in Malta) My only concern is what functionality I will be loosing. I know there are some functions not yet supported on the G1. Could some one pls help :)

I mainly use my phone for these functions:

MSN, Bluetooth file transfer, SYNC with Media Player & Outlook emails, contacts, tasks and Appointments.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] punkzanyj:
Little prediction.

You'll probably get a text message, phone call, voicemail, or letter in the mail eventually telling you that you've got the wrong data plan, and to please contact them or go online to select a g1-compatible data plan.

Just mentioning it now so that you're not surprised when it happens.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] demontefixo:
May lose 3G...

Bluetooth is limited at the moment ('young' software), with R29+ it is easy to sync with a USB cable.

No 'tethering' at the moment (phone as a modem for your laptop).

Apps (mktplce, elsewhere) and methods on the forum to do the the other bits. Decent and improving daily.

--M
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nickmgray:
Syncing with outlook does not work at the moment. There are services that can be used that will sync your outlook calendar and contacts to gmail and then the G1 does the rest, but there is no "tasks" app on the G1.

The marketplace does have a few different "ToDoo" apps for shopping lists and such. Some of them have features that remind you to do things based on your GPS location (very useful).

If you use MSN, you'll probably like to know that Meebo just launched their instand messagin app yesterday. Meebo allows you to log into all the various IM programs at once.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] d2dthetide:
It happened today:( Had to change my data plan. My question... why the different data plan. They claim they needed it to make the google apps work... but everything was working fine with the 19.99 plan I had. With the family unlimited text messaging, I was actually paying more. Now the tmobile site has three, G1 plans. Two plans for 24.99....one with 400 text message and one without messages and the 34.99 plan. Seems to me if you aren't getting the text messages.....cause you are paying for unlimited family...that the preice should be less than the 24.99. I'm wondering if it is to limit the number of people using it's 3G network at this time?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dshyang50:
I've had my G1 for about a week now, and I just checked my service details. They kept the exact same plan that I had prior to the G1 which was a family plan in addition to 1000 texts for my line. They know I am using the G1, hopefully it doesn't change for me, if it does I will have to type in all the APNs that I deleted. :p
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] eboy44:
well cant we just make a program to change the IMEI of our G1 to match say a tilt or a wing or something?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] johnny13oi:
I wish I could change the IMEI to say one of the ones in my other phones that I don't use. Because the Tzones Web was working up until last night where it now says that I need to change my plan in the browser. I mean I barely use the internet and just need it there when I need to check something real quick which is like one day a week so I pay the $6 a month. But now they are requiring me to change plans due to the phone I'm using because now they don't let you use a certain IMEI with a certain service. I'm starting to hate the direction Tmobile is heading.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] eboy44:
well for me, i use an unlocked tilt on tmobiles network and they it comes up as an unknown device on mytmobiles website, so maybe we can change the g1's IMEI to the tilts IMEI
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] punkzanyj:
Actually, you do need the data plan, I found out the hard way when my data plan got accidentally deleted (long story, it was a mistake).

When the data plan got cut off here's what happened.

-Maps stopped working

-Contacts disappeared

This is a cloud device, it needs an internet connection to function fully. Without a data connection you're got 30% of the functionality of this phone, in which case you've spent a couple hundred dollars for around $70 worth of phone.

This isn't like buying a wing and not having a data plan, I did that, no big deal, this phone is a whole new ballgame, it needs data, or it doesn't work very well at all.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bacchus2678:
I was on suncom for years and they bought tmobile. I went and got the android and they said I would need the plan, I said I don't think so and put my sim card in their demo phone and it worked just fine. Well it worked for about 8 days that is and now i'm locked out. I would get the plan but it doesn't work with my old suncom plan so I would have to pay about 3 times as much to switch to a tmobile plan... I don't like the phone that much lol! I can use the net if I get on a roaming AT&T tower though.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] neoobs:
Sounds like you are grandfathered into an old plan... I would talk to T-Mobile and maybe even a lawyer or someone with experience in the grandfather laws as you may be able to have the data and your old plan at the same time. Although I am not completely sure on this one.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] skiutah1080:
MMS won't work with previous data plans...

For reference, I have had my G1 for about 2 weeks now. I got it to look into replacing my Wing that I have had since they came out.

I initially didn't sign up for the G1 data plan because I got the phone from somebody on Craigslist. I took the sim card out of my Wing and put it in the G1, and almost everything worked fine. I wasn't near any 3G networks so I couldn't tell if that portion worked or not, but I was able to access the internet, the android market, get all my contacts and calendar items, all the good stuff... The only problem came when I tried to send MMS messages. It would basically just time out and not send it. So, I changed to the G1 data plan and poof! Magically it worked.

I'm not saying this is true for everybody, but that is the experience I had with mine.

I pay for the $35 a month for unlimited data/messaging, but it's no different than what I was paying before... $20 for the unlimited data and $15 for unlimited text messaging.

I do have one issue with it though and that is that now that I have the G1 plan, I can't log into a Tmobile Hotspot on my laptop. TMobile's policy is that you can only log onto the Hotspot now with your G1, no longer with any other devices, including laptops. I'm a little pissed about that, but I typically go to a coffee shop that has free wifi anyway, but whenever I go on trips, I like the idea of having the ability to log on at a starbucks. Oh well... Guess I'll just wait til they bring out a tethering program ;)
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] IronWolve:
Myfaves wont work on a sidekick without dataplan, Not sure about the G1.

I have the basic dataplan and unlimited messaging for family, not as good as the basic "total Internet" package they had, it included wifi.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xxruxx:
Has anyone attempted to use the G1 Data plan with another phone? The reason I ask is because I'm always switching between my iPhone, Wing and my G1. Everything worked great till T-Mobile cut the G1 off the $19.99 Total Internet plan and I really don't want to be forced into Using only my G1. I would try it my self but my G1 plan doesn't activate till the 15th.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fryercjn:
Is it any good?

Sorry if this is a daft/misplaced/often repeated question! I've scanned through this board and haven't seen a discussion.

Is Android any good?

Short term Dream teething issues aside, does Android offer you anything significant that you weren't getting from WM?

Some interesting Apps is a given but how is the usability/speed/stability?

I hate my TYTNII with a passion, as I hated my Blue Angel before that(weirdly, I loved my Treo 600 despite it not doing anything!).

Would I be happier with a G1? or should I wait for a G2?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cboy007:
i get my G1 on friday, but i'll try to answer some of your questions from using the SDK and what i know will happen.

i'm ditching windows mobile for the g1. this is for a number of reasons, the main one being that to me, windows mobile is dead. it is rarely updated and whenever it is they never seem really significant.

also, there is no app store or good/reasonable way to disperse apps on windows mobile.

count those points in with android being way prettier and faster than windows mobile...also the open source potential...and the g1 having a firmware update 3 times in the first week...all add up to android kicking windows mobile's ass.

i'd say go with the g1, but i'll have to wait until i actually touch my g1 on friday for me to make this decision...but i ditched my tytn2 for this.

on another note...anyone wanna buy my 2-month old tilt?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rdfry:
Excuse me but what are you talking about? In the booklet titled T-Mobile HotSpot Terms and Conditions that comes with the G1 on page 4 under use of service it states. You are receiving a single user account solely for your use of the service through one device per login session. No where does it state that you can't use your laptop to access a tmobile hotspot only that it has to be one device at a time. I also called and talked to a gal in the data department and she confirmed that you can still use your laptop for access and it costs nothing extra.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fryercjn:
Thanks for the reply, cboy. I hope you have fun with your new toy. I'm jealous - I think!

I'm inclined to agree that WM is on the way out. It was never designed for the job. That's why I'm interested whether, in practice, Android delivers on it's promise.

Is it ALOT faster, or has it already got so stuffed up that it's as slow as an iPhone? (or, heaven forbid, my TYTN II).

I would hope that a bottom-up development like this would be alot more stable but with stories of 3rd party apps causing major problems it's not clear. How bright is the new dawn?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cboy007:
woah now. i dislike apple but i would never call the iphone slow. i'd say the iphone is EXTREMELY fast and am just hoping the g1 can compete!

and yes, it should definitely be way faster than your TYTN 2 - my g1 is coming this friday now.

i think the new dawn is bright. i think that anytime android has any problems then google will not hesititate the release an update. i also think that if 3rd party developers are killing the device by loading into startup, google may give you options to restrict them or whatever. google also might look into fixing how fast the battery is drained if they can (i heard it drains very fast).

well i'm putting all my faith in google for the time being...i hope they keep up with their reputation for greatness.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JaMoFo:
I had the tmobile Wing (WM6) and got the G1 yesterday. I didnt think it would be much of an improvement over the Wing but i was wrong.

Its much more responsive than the wing and things just go faster. 3G network is much faster and the phone is actually fun to use.

It needs a messaging client that uses data rather than your txt messages (like palringo) but other than that i dont see many downsides to the phone.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] demontefixo:
Yup. It is good, way good.

--M

(just a few teething issues and user errors-doh!)
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fryercjn:
Thanks guys. That's much more the sort of enthusiasm I was looking for!

I think I'll put one on my Xmas list. ;)
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] d2dthetide:
I have a tilt and the G1 phone. Was told at the tmobile store that I wouldn't be able to use the SIM in my tilt when I switched to the G1 plan. They were wrong as usual and until I found out I could switch between phones I was not a happy camper. After switching to the G1 plan and being on it for a weak I tried my SIM in the tilt and it worked fine....Edge..no 3G. I'm wondering... if I change the settings to those of the G1...will I get 3G on the tilt? Does anyone know what all the settings are that I'd have to change?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] drieves1:
In the past year i have had Tmobile wing, Iphone, At&t tilt, and HTC diamond. I'm a heavy texter and play on the web alll day. I clear close to 10000 texts a month. The g1 changes from day to day with the apps which make it fun. I have the choice that if some one calls me never want to talk to them i can sent the call right to voice mail without having to touch my phone. most only have had there phones a month. everyone say get iphone well the iphone gets boring after while like anything else. G1 is a keeper. first version of on screen keyboard startin to come out. Only will get better with time.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Turbo777:
The tilt will not be able to pick up 3g since it does not have a 1700Mhz AWS antenna which is what T-Mobile uses for their 3G network here in the US. If you are connecting via EDGE then your settings are fine and there is not a way to get 3G on that device. Only WinMo device I have seen coming that supports T-Mobile 3G is the Xperia X1a
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fryercjn:
Gee you like your phones.

Interesting that you say the iPhone gets boring.

I guess it's always been the way with Apple stuff - what they do, they do very well but there's always stuff you want to do that you can't!
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] h3ck:
Lets Think about this

While alll points are great... The big picture is this... I am, and will be forever, an ex T-mobile Wing owner. I loved that phone when it came out and really thought it was going to be great.... I was wrong.... Android has limitless possibility... not only can the G1 do everything the iPhone can do, it can do more... One app "Shop Savy" is a perfect example... iPhones can't scan barcodes and yes this is a trivial example but the point is that the G1 can be modified in so many ways that every G1 could be soooo different from the next that they could virtually be different phones. And i'm not just talking about different apps like iPhone users... I'm talking about modifying the G1 so you have 5 desktops instead of 3, having all kinds of widgets, having any functionality you can dream of... Pun intended...

THE ONLY CONs that the G1 has is that its not the greatest looking phone that HTC has ever made... AND the battery life is horrid.... but with a car charger and the fact that it can do amazing things... these can be over looked..

btw... I'm a proud owner and can't believe I ever loved a WM phone..

P.S. The G1 is able to do multi touch, however there are no programmed gestures... So there you iPhone owning haters... :-)
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chefgon:
In order to get an accurate reply, you really need to elaborate on what exactly you hated about your Windows Mobile phones. I will tell you right now that the app selection on Android right now is totally pathetic compared to Windows Mobile. I am confident that will change with time, but right now a lot of what we have is hobbyists developing their first applications and lots of stuff makes it onto the market incomplete and largely worthless. The OS itself is still rough around the edges and has a fair number of missing features and bugs.

What Android really offers right now is a stellar Web Browsing experience. If you do a lot of browsing on your phone then the G1 is going to make you very happy. Outside of that, it's just a lot of fun to use but its actual functionality really leaves it at the bottom of the smartphone market for now. I fully expect things to start getting much better in the next 6 to 12 months, but if you want tons of functionality and flawless apps right out of the box, you're going to be disappointed.

Bottom line - Android is still a work in progress. If you're cool with that, the G1 is a lot of fun to play with and it really will deliver some of the best web browsing available on a handheld today.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cboy007:
no, it cant. i'm pretty sure that the display CANT support it. all the youtube videos of it "supporting multitouch" are lies - i did the same thing with touchflo 2d on my tilt....if u slide the thing and tap with your other thing it does what the android does with the title bar.

and the people that took apart the g1 and figured out what the screen was ooked it up and its not physically capable of multitouch.

bummer though. (someone please prove me wrong?)
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fryercjn:
I thought the G1 had a resistive touch screen. These are usually thought to be incapable of multi-touch. They work on a four point (or edge) current sense. To do multi-touch you need a matrix approach such as the iPhone's capacitive sensor ... that said I can see some ways that you could start to infer multi-touch on a resistive system ...
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] neoobs:
The G1 has a capacitive sensor that is why it takes a finger to do anything not just the nail.

Found some info point to the screen itself being a Synaptics ClearTouch (can anyone prove if it is or isn't)... if it is then this article Sheds light on the idea by saying
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fryercjn:
Synaptics are part of the OHA so it would seem likely (in hindsight :o).
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] neoobs:
Synaptics is also confirmed as the display controller... so why would they use a controller and not the screen? LOL
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] badaas:
if you hold one part of screen (say using the pattern lock), while still holding one dot press another, release the first and the line will shoot to your second press.

g1 is great, looks lush, the case design works imho, touch screen ****s on all previous (it actually works how you expect a touch screen to work!), keyboard is good, connectivity is good, gps good, wifi good, accellerometer good, os lush!

i dont think im easily pleased, and have had 4 previous htc (tilt, polaris, dual, elf (in that order!)) and although you have more apps on WM (now, remember G1 is only 2-3 weeks old!), big pisser with WM is that you just end up installing/removing crap, tweaking the ROM, and still end up back where you started syndrome!

my 2pence
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] teflon252:
I am a T-Mobile employee....the trick is Your sim card...they have made several changes to their infrastructure and the key is the sim card. New sim cards allow them to in a sense dial in or be in tune with your contacts, phone, and imei. If you are still using a sim from say 2004-2007...chances are very slim they can figure out what phone your using other than you calling in about a question.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fryercjn:
The BIG problem with my WM phones is that they are slow ... really slow. They're so unresponsive it's a wonder mine's still alive. I've come within an ace of smashing the piece of sh*t to pieces on any number of occasions because I can't do something like, say, answer a f*****g phone call.

Oh, yeah, and it's just a bit unstable though this does have it's advantages: if you can't get hold of me early in the morning - it's not that I'm at home with a hangover, it's because my phone has crashed ... again.

So my big problem is speed. My TYTN's got what? A 400MHz 32-bit processor? That's pretty pokey in my book. I used to play some cracking games on my Atari 800 with 1/800th of the processing power and that's excluding RAM. It's pathetic.

The problem, of course, is that WM phones are built around the windows NT core with layers upon layers of bloated garbage.

The iPhone is faster (a bit like Macs were always better than PCs in the 90s) but I don't think they're that quick and (as with the Mac) you have a more limited 3rd party software base. And you have to put up with being an Apple fan ...

Android, being built from the bottom up (albeit from an existing Kernel) for a mobile platform, should be better than both? Is it?

If I've just spouted a load of bulls**t, I'd be very happy to be corrected.

It seems from most comments here that the G1 does deliver which is good news. I'm not looking for a cool new phone, per se, more of a third way!
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fryercjn:
That's so true.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cboy007:
as i said before, that means nothing. if i do that on my resisitive windows mobile screen with the touchflo thing it does the exact same thing. so, again, this means nothing.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] johnny13oi:
I thought that the old SIMs don't have the new 3G cell tower info to connect to them. If that is not the case then I am definitely gonna call in and try to place my number on an older SIM. I believe that was called MSDN reuse or something.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MrEous:
Is the battery life comparable to the Tilt?

(question for those that went directly from Tilt --> G1)
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cboy007:
i'll let you know in a few days :). have a tilt now. getting g1 tomorrow...opening at 3 (home from school).

then again i probably cant give you a definite answer for a few days. i think its going to be worse...the question is...how worse?

can anyone else shed some light on this topic?