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[XPERIA X1 General] Black93300ZX:
Device has been officially released in Sweden and it has 256MB RAM. I'm not arguing how much memory is used for graphics acceleration, everyone here was telling me it had 384 RAM... Which it does not. As for graphics, they couldn't have done that good of a job, as the only person I've heard talk about their Swedish final version said the panels were slow but everything else was OK.
[XPERIA X1 General] foo:
Okay, you are a hero now. Can you please just stop this useless finger pointing?

As far as I know, you do not consider to buy the Xperia at all, so what's your mission here? "Mine is longer" or what?
[XPERIA X1 General] meggs:
I have huge problems choosing between TP and X1. Especially after it has been confirmed that it has only 256 MB RAM and there is much lag in the panels. A guy from SE confirmed on a chat with a swedish mobilemagazin yesterday that is has 256 MB RAM.
[XPERIA X1 General] Black93300ZX:
Mine is longer isn't a mission, it's my motto.

I'm just so tired of being told how wrong I am, when I said it had 256MB of RAM I was told I was wrong... When I said it won't be penta-band UMTS, once again, I'm wrong. Everyone's wrong but those who beef up the Xperia as much as possible (Technology), meanwhile it turns out nothing he's said has been right. Even right now, if I told Technology the phone won't be penta-band UMTS or it doesn't have 384 MB of RAM he'd ask me if I've used the US version, I'd say no, then he'd tell me I'm wrong. It's stupid, half of the people here have their minds set on the phone being the greatest to ever grace our planet so no matter what the facts are, they refuse to believe them.
[XPERIA X1 General] Black93300ZX:
Well, here's my break down of the 2 devices. Take it for what it's worth, I consider myself unbiased as I don't care to buy either of these phones.

Keyboard: Touch Pro, just about everyone I've spoken to agrees on that.

Screen: Xperia, may be some compatibility issues but it's higher resolution and bigger overall.

Internal Hardware: I think the Touch Pro has a one up on this one. It has an accelerometer that the Xperia doesn't have, and also has the ability for TV-out that the Xperia can't do. Processor speed is the same, the Touch Pro is listed as having 32MB more RAM compared to Xperia according to specs. Ohhh, one thing I forgot is that the Xperia has a standard 3.5mm headphone jack and the Touch Pro does not... That brings things a bit closer. So, given the information, decide what's important to you.

Navigation: Xperia has the touch sensitive 5 way D-pad, Touch Pro has the touch sensitive wheel and d-pad. I haven't used the Xperia but I like the idea of that much better, I think it'll be easier than using the wheel to navigate. I also realized on the Touch Pro that having separate buttons instead of the flat d-pad would be a better idea, it's easy to hit the wrong button (especially during games).

Interface: This, I think, is purely based on preference. The panel interface seems to be more functional, has plenty of things available to you right away... But it's not nearly as pretty as TF3D. You just have to decide what you want.

Customizability: I like to think the Xperia has this by a long shot, you can create new themes and icons and such for TouchFlo3D on the Touch Pro, but creating your own panels with the free SDK seems very cool and convenient.

Build Quality: I loved the feel of the Touch Pro, felt very solid and well made... But it's still plastic (mostly). The Xperia seems like it would take much more of a beating, and the slider for the arc keyboard seems as sturdy as can be, I give this one to the Xperia.

Camera: Same resolution of pictures, but the Xperia has auto touch focus where you can select on the screen what you want to focus on, and SE does know what they're doing with cameras. Xperia no doubt.

So here's what the purchase would come down to in my mind... If you live outside the US, I'd go with the Xperia as it seems to have an edge on the Touch Pro in a few aspects and the prices are similar. However, if you live in the states there's no guarantee the Xperia will be picked up by any carrier, and the Fuze is going to release at $299 with contract and after rebates with AT&T and $299 with Sprint as well... So you might be better off saving $600 and getting the Touch Pro.
[XPERIA X1 General] meggs:
@Black93300ZX

Thanks a lot. I`ll think I go for the X1
[XPERIA X1 General] easycure1974:
It not "much" lag - they are a bit slow but not slower than TF3D - to be true both panels and TF3D sucks - SPB Mobile Shell beats them hands down when coming to speed and usability
[XPERIA X1 General] Jabe:
Do you use spb mobile shell app or the panel? If you use the app, do youe turn off the panel or that cannot be done, but it does the job just to never use them again?

Anyways I think we'll be able to modify the x panel key in no time. and then we call all just forget about them. at least a decent update comes out that will speed them up (but don't keep your hopes up, this is SE)
[XPERIA X1 General] sev7en:
Nice comparison, thanks.

I will definitively look for the Touch HD but it has not ETA...
[XPERIA X1 General] msalmank:
Be wary... according to blogs, Touch HD will be over 1200 or 1300 USD.
[XPERIA X1 General] Insaneboy:
amazon.de had it priced at 10 euros less than Xperia if i recall correctly...
[XPERIA X1 General] easycure1974:
I used MS both as app and panel but I prefer the panel version. You can´t have both of them installed at the same time
[XPERIA X1 General] msalmank:
Don't rely on Amazon's price too much. Touch HD is yet to be launched, and final price will then be determined. However, as announced by HTC, it will be in the highest ranks. Do a google search and you'll come across a handful of blog entries and news bits.
[XPERIA X1 General] Pinguino1:
Don't worry about the price. Touch HD will never work in USA it doesn't have the 3G band and HTC does't intent to do it but they rather wait for the next "incredible" device.
[XPERIA X1 General] mtlChris:
so i just searched for the xperia on yahoo and im seeing it being sold from $300...that seems really cheap...are websites that sell it for this price reliable? will the phone work here in the states? i kno it prob wont have 3G but all it needs is 850/1900 bands right?

reason i ask is b/c im stuck between the fuze and xperia....if i can get the xperia at this price then it changes everything lol
[XPERIA X1 General] msalmank:
I found a site a couple of weeks back (early September) that claimed to sell Xperia for $300 or so. When i asked them if they had it in stock, they said yes. So... get a clue. :D
[XPERIA X1 General] Black93300ZX:
If it's below $700, it's surely a scam. The Xperia's price now is like $915 USD.
[XPERIA X1 General] sev7en:
As far as I see, it's street priced about €600... http://en.toppreise.ch/prod_150898.html
[XPERIA X1 General] mtlChris:
ok thanks....guess ill go with the fuze then, i cant wait for the xperia to get here, especially if its gonna be in 2009
[XPERIA X1 General] Tekka:
I'm really torn between these two devices and don't know which to get maybe you guys can help me out based on my needs.

I had an iTouch for a week recently before i sold it and fell in love with the 3.5in multitouch screen. Web browsing was just heaven. movies weren't that bad either. But like all apple products the feeling of steve jobs looking over my shoulder was apparent. Even after i jail broke it and installed like a million apps on it, I soon realized it had so many flaws. The whole time it felt like i was being told what i can or can't do on the deivce, i realized it'll never be as flexible as a Windows Mobile device... anyways enough apple bashing

Coming from the itouch i feel like i need a sleek device with long battery life, physical keyboard, and a big gorgous screen

The main attraction i have for the xperia is the 3inch widescreen, long battery life, and the rumored 384mb ram or (256 + 128 )for the gpu lol. I coming form the TyTn which only had 64mb which was annoying as hell having to reset the device every day because of memory leaks and other things.

The main attraction i have for the Touch Pro is the design, keyboard, accelerometer, and TV out and the possibility that it has the most ram at 288 (incase the xperia has only 256mb).

I don't really care about the speed of the devices because like all members here knows, very first roms are slow, eventually vanilla or lite roms will come out and let you customize it the way you want.

right now im leaning toward the xperia for it large screen but the TV out feature of the touch pro keeps me thinking about switching sides.

i watch mainly widescreen movies so will the picture be larger on the widescreen xperia or the letterboxed iphone screen?
[XPERIA X1 General] Black93300ZX:
http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=2762333&postcount=135

I made that comparison for someone else who was caught between the 2, I don't know if it'll help but we'll see. As for loving the multi-touch screen, neither Xperia nor Touch Pro will ever have multi-touch capability. :(

Get a G1! :)
[XPERIA X1 General] Insaneboy:
Depends if they'll be able to run WinMo 7, which is supposed to have multi-touch :P
[XPERIA X1 General] Black93300ZX:
No, it doesn't... They have a pressure-sensitive screen, which can't interpret multi-touch. You need a capacitive screen like the G1 or the iPhone for the hardware itself to support it, so neither device will ever be able to handle multi-touch.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=432122
[XPERIA X1 General] Kloc:
But the G1 looks hideous :(
[XPERIA X1 General] Insaneboy:
Didn't know that, thanks. Guess you do share knowledge :P

Second that. :p

And also - a Kill Switch!!!

http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/16/google-implemented-an-android-kill-switch-those-rascals/

I play by my own rules, nobody else's, not even my own!
[XPERIA X1 General] Black93300ZX:
:O Oh my gosh, who'da thought I did more than start trouble?
[XPERIA X1 General] Kloc:
Nice find on the kill switch. I don't want a device that won't let me do whatever the hell I want to it.
[XPERIA X1 General] Insaneboy:
*insert random phone sex joke here*

Imagine that ;)

Android's probably be awesome by next year, but too young to get it now.
[XPERIA X1 General] grayme:
Funny how things change, I can get 30% off an X1 contract on O2 but nothing off the Touch Pro as it's an XDA and hence a business phone... :rolleyes:

X1, here I come!
[XPERIA X1 General] msalmank:
Updated....
[XPERIA X1 General] VaThInK:
Personally I can't seem to see why Xperia X1 is the clear winner here. They're about equal with all of their pros and cons.

Isn't Xperia X1 supposed to have only 256MB of RAM?

From my point of view:

-TP leads in RAM. (For people who multitask a lot, even though the difference is minimal. Still might benefit some people.)

-X1 leads in screen. (0.2" bigger, however might be a minor drawback on X1 since it's resolution is non standard. At least for the time being, until more WVGA devices emerge.)

-Equal in camera (Not sure which one is better, but I guess both should be about the same. Nothing special to brag about. It's a mobile camera, not DSLR. crappy quality pictures should be expected.)

-Equal in interface (This is pretty much relative to individual taste. Personally I like TF3D as it has pretty much all I need and looks prettier. Plus based on the reviews I've seen the Panels on X1 runs slow as well anyway and WM UI is fully customizable, so I think this is a pointless subject and it's a tie.)

-Not conclusive in battery (Normally, bigger screen tends to suck more juice from battery. So comparing just the battery capacity is biased without considering the screen size and resolution)

-Equal in support (Since HTC support is pretty much lacking and X1 will be SE first and last WM device from what I've heard, support for X1 would be very limited I suppose. Hardware wise, I reckon it's equal too.)

-TP leads in accelerometer. (For those who want to run software that take advantage of G sensor feature.)

-TP leads in TV out. (Very useful for people who need it with surprisingly good picture quality. Pity cable is not included. What are you thinking HTC?!)

-TP leads in keyboard (After using 5 row keyboard, I won't go back to 4 row anymore. But then, this might be relative for people with big fingers)

-X1 leads in 3.5mm jack (This should comes as standard on mobile devices these days. Again, what are you thinking HTC?!)

-X1 leads in build ( Material wise X1 wins due to metal construction. On the other hand, Personally I reckon TP looks simple and sleek design wise. Even though most of its body is made out of plastic, it doesn't look cheap, but then again it's relative. Finger print marks is not an issue unlike with TD. TP body has matte finish.)

-X1 leads in d-pads (I haven't try on X1 yet, though I can comment that the d-pads on TP is too easy to hit the wrong one as they're all in one plane)

In the end they both are about equal and would be depend on individual taste and needs. ;)

Hope I haven't missed anything.
[XPERIA X1 General] fotoingo:
Experiences...

My view while using both devices:

X1 (In use since some days):

- Nicer screen + resolution

-FAST GPS Fix (MUCH faster then on the Raphael )

- Build quality FAR better

- 3,5mm headset rocks

- Battery lasts longer ! Yes I know... the X1 has 150 mAh more,but it lasted longer straight from the beginning (than the Raphael battery while used for some weeks) and so the battery hasnt reached full capacity right now...)

- Faster ! Benchmarks are only a bit higher using SKTools but using Emulatorprograms like Pocket Snes, Morphgear and Picodrive the speed is far better ! This also counts when using the device with normal programs

- Mapping of the keyboardbuttons is NORMAL ! (On the Raphael you have to use KforRaphael when using Morphgear etc. This slows down the emulationspeed too)

- D-Pad is superb if compared to the unusable flush one on the Raphael

Raphael (In use since some weeks/months):

- Keyboard nicer (especially the STRG key for copy/paste and those number keys)

- Flush screen (BUT the screen on the X1 isn NOT really deep sunken into the device ! So only a minor plus)

- TV-Out is really nice for watching movies in a hotelroom and the like.. (BUT the quality isnt too great on a big screen)

All things I didn´t mention (maybe more Ram on Raphael, Touchflo, Panels etc) are not important for me.

Greets !
[XPERIA X1 General] toxical:
Thats good to hear! What i dont really get is why this is different from the Raph. because they are both made by HTC.
[XPERIA X1 General] msalmank:
My comments in red...
[XPERIA X1 General] GermanGuy:
How do the TP and X1 compare in cellphone reception?
[XPERIA X1 General] msalmank:
All reviews i have read so far have claimed this to be the fastest Windows Mobile device out there. And looking at Panels running with TF3D applied to the today screen, i'm loving what i see. Even before, though it might take a second or two to load a panel, it is all but a delay in the panel being loaded - i.e. it is fast in performance otherwise. And changing of the orientiation is quick too...
[XPERIA X1 General] toxical:
changing/loading a panel could never be without lag, not with that hardware atleast.

Since all the panels cant run side by side one has to be disabled and another one has to enabled, that includes loading of all the widgets. What you see in the panel selection is just a lower res screenshot of the panels last state, its not acutally running there.

So the less widgets a panel has, the faster it will load, but than will never be lag free..after all its just a few secs, no deal breaker for me.
[XPERIA X1 General] Insaneboy:
Contrary to what Magnus said :mad:

I distinctly remember him saying that you can start a search on the google panel and watch it load when changing the panels.
[XPERIA X1 General] VaThInK:
RAM Have you seen the device info panel for TP and X1? It says 288MB and 256MB respectively. TP has 64MB and X1 have 128MB for GPU supposedly (GPU RAM is based on info floating on the net.) Even if this is true, 64MB extra on X1 won't make a difference as the bigger the RAM at this point is for even larger screen resolution (1024x768+) and won't increase performance, just like in PC GPUs. 32MB is sufficient for these screen sizes (VGA and WVGA). I know, bigger number looks better but it doesn't always translate to better performance in the end.

Screen God knows how long this is going to be. Do you remember how long it takes for VGA? It's longer than expected. By the time this screen size is common enough, better devices are out to the market already. I was an early adopter for VGA back in 2004. It was quite annoying.

Camera From the pictures I've seen on the net, they're both about the same. Well ok, X1 is better, but it's not by far. Only a little bit better. They're both producing blurry pictures and personally I won't even consider to use them to capture my memorable events anyway.

Interface Why having Panels is better? Not all people like it. I can tell you I don't. This matter is very relative and a matter of preference. As for the speed comparison, the TP I'm using is not lagging at all. It will only lags a little bit after soft reset while its warming up. After 10 secs, it runs with no lags.

Battery Do you have both device? Otherwise how do you know about this? Links? I'm interested to find out more on this one.
[XPERIA X1 General] toxical:
oh well, i could be wrong..thats the impression i got when watching the reviews, actually my phone will arrive on tuesday.

But i am sure they cant have all the panels running at the same time, updating the textures on the panel selection all the time etc...

you could easily test that my looking at the fish panel...does anything move on the fish panel while its not active when looking at the panel selection ?
[XPERIA X1 General] toxical:
All of the reviews say that apart from the panels its a very fast and responsive device. Many of them noted that as a big positive. Watch for example the latest review of the X1 by pocketnow.com on youtube

The X1 and the Touch HD both have the same resolution and will be hugly popular. I dont think this will take long.

picture quality on the TP is said to be quite bad because of a protection film on the lens..in reviews the images where quite dark and unsharp, thats also what the reviewers said...that certainly is quite abit better on the X1.

Panels are ok, but you can use TouchFlo3d alongside them, so best of both words.

The battery live also is something noted very positive in recent reviews, watch the pocketnow.com review on youtube that i mentioned before.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KF5Bq7A4ysY&feature=channel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyU4CAAzqvg
[XPERIA X1 General] msalmank:
Yes... sorry about that. But i think the dedicated memory does more than we give it credit for - after all, with 256 MB RAM, all reviewers so far have claimed it to be the fasted windows mobile device yet - when compared to Omnia, HTC diamond/pro, and so on.
[XPERIA X1 General] Zaim2:
I ended up going for the Touch Pro over the Xperia after trying them both in the Vodafone UK shop, because in the end I simply could not stomach the keyboard. This surprised me because I have huge fingers, so if anything I thought typing on the Xperia would be more comfortable/more accurate compared to TP due to the space between the keys. But in the end I had a horrible time and it didn't seem like something "I could get used to" and would improve once I get used to it like some of the Xperia users were saying. However on the TP I was typing like a demon straight away. The screen size difference narrower than I expected, so something I didn't mind sacrifing, especially for the TV-out. I'm running RomeOS 1.21 and the TP is fast and stable. At the moment I don't see anything wrong with it that will make me throw my arms up and exchange for an Xperia within the 14 day period.

In conclusion anybody who's still on the the fence choosing between the two, the only way you're ever going to decide is to try them both at a store. Because if you're anything like me you could read thread after thread yet still be swinging back and forth. For me a good QWERTY was a necessity (I wanted to do alot of typing), so if the TP shows some horrible flaw I might as well go all out and wait for the Touch HD later this month rather than settle for a X1 keyboard I despise. Maybe it's alot more comfortable for people with smaller fingers?
[XPERIA X1 General] Insaneboy:
I've been swinging between the Touch HD and Xperia for a while now, but i think i'll get the Xperia, since i dont think that the battery life on the HD (due to the awesome screen) will be that good, and since it doesnt have TV-out, the only other thing it has over Xperia is the acclerometer, but since i won't be playing that type of games, i don't think i'll miss it and no D-pad on it would make it horrible to play any games (namely emulators).

And although TP has a better keyboard, tv-out and acclerometer, i'm more enticed by the bigger screen and resolution of the Xperia. :)
[XPERIA X1 General] msalmank:
Hmmm... Xperia's keyboard is considered one of the best, but not as good as Touch Pro's of course. There is no comparison between a 5 row keyboard and a 4 row one... but i am of the opinion that once your hand gets settled on any keyboard, you'll get fast. I had one heck of a trouble getting used to the iPhone keyboard, but can now type as fast as i'd originally hoped...
[XPERIA X1 General] Pinguino1:
Why don't you listen to the ones that actually have both and when you get yours I would like to hear your opinion.
[XPERIA X1 General] Pinguino1:
Good advice for undecided. You are making a good choice, because it is what you prefer. But I have a question, If keyboard is so important for you why you would go for HD without keyboard?

I don't have the Xperia yet. Also, as you the keyboard is impotant for me and based on specs and reviews I will go for the Xperia I. B ut I will follow your conclusion: I will make my decision whe I have it in my hands. Even the color I will decide when I see it.
[XPERIA X1 General] McHale:
It's because of the screen that I'm going with the Touch Pro. That little "lip" on my Kaiser makes it difficult to type using the on screen keyboard or sometimes select things in the corners. The Touch Pro doesn't have this issue, but the Xperia does. The additional resolution would be nice, but not enough to overcome this design oversight.

-Mc
[XPERIA X1 General] toxical:
I actually saw a review where they said its actually easier to scroll or reach stuff on the end of the screen because of the lip than it is on the Touch Pro where you dont have that for orientation.

So that also seems to be a matter of taste.
[XPERIA X1 General] McHale:
interesting... Did he mention by chance that he also liked the lip on the Wizard or Kaiser? The scrolling should be a non-issue because of TouchFlo (no need for scrollbars mostly) but I can see your point if you're used to using the lip as a finger rest.

-Mc
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