yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] imfloflo:
I know lot of electro/house sound so i 'll find title to night ;) don't worrie.

stick to the thread :p
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] kosmodisk:
nice, will it work on 64mb ram devices or 128mb only?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Sonfire:
I think the better question is, will it work without the Graphic Acceleration that most QVGA phones do not have.

I know reading the thread, they are still using the high size graphics, that they are downconverting, I can only image that it will be some memory hog.

I'm waiting patiently for an update, I feel like a boy at christmas, there is nothing the XDA Dev can not do, simply amazing.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] beher:
good question
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Chainfire:
Memory requirements are steep (still working on that), and you will need some decent OpenGL ES support for this to run. A software renderer MAY work, but hardware renderer is better.

Also note that with the current HTC-CA drivers and this hack, you cannot turn off the screen while manila is running. This will require a driver update - which is of course also being worked on.

There's good news too, though. We just lowered the mipmapping a bit, so it loses less speed, but the text is still readable. Black bar issue has also been fixed. We're getting there!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] imfloflo:
i think 64 mb is not enough but must wait to see how developper can increase performance.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] joshkoss:
maybe upx compress .exe files will work with 64 meg devices. I have done this with hermes on manilla2d and helps allot.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] djboo:
back from hospital. ive gotta wait 2 months for surgery :(

anyways...my little day trip has let me use manila properly for a day (been running a beta version). some fun bugs which can pretty much render the device unsuable, mostly related to a semi-always on top thing and the whole screen power down issue (which locks the phone into a dim/bright/dim/bright cycle which is rather pretty!)

most can be resolved by disabling manila then re-enabling it, but this version is the best weve had but deffo a devs only version at moment (which makes me feel guilty for having it as my contribution has been very little compared to some)

i know for sure i will be hitting a donations button for some of the devs when its finished.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] cbus:
Thanks! - I will check back later...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] kristoff_sz:
I can't believe that this thread is so far away from the first page ;).

Guys, this is some fantastic stuff.

Chainfire, I'm planning "small" donation for you and some other developers here. I just need to wait for my card to be fixed. Damnit. I'm waiting for so long again.

Keep it going! I can't wait! ;)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] m.schmidler:
nevertheless, your testing probably helps all of us, so don´t worry ;)

I´m absolutely sure you guys are going to fix this as well, cause 2 months ago nobody had even imagined such a quick success (also in terms of Polaris 3D drivers).
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] kosmodisk:
one more question, will it work only on devices with qualcomm procesor?

i don´t want to look impatient, but you guys do incredible things :rolleyes:
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] djboo:
as far as im aware its compatable with all ce 6.1 devices with arm4i or above with a fairly complete opelGLes implimentation (hw or sw)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Chainfire:
Buyahh!

Todays changes include:

- code refactoring

- mipmaps adjustments

- mouse handling updates

- new manila version

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=2qcDFjoMMrU

(not suitable for non-smokers)

It's close!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Klong4:
goood work there guys, im just glad to see that this project has sprung new life since the release of m2d. I would like to see if it would run on an ELFIN touch with the software drivers, cause the old hergilla one ran pretty well.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] rwertz14:
It looks close, great job with what you are doing.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] cp_kirkley:
This is really impressive. Good work, I admire your persistence. Getting both M2D AND M3D within a month of each other is no small feat for the XDA community.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] nhatminh87:
tf3d can use on other HTC device

can tf3d can use on other HTC except kaiser for example hermes:confused:

you can make a cab of tf3d for test on other device:D
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] mantis123:
can't wait to try it :D

Does it support landscape mode??
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Juan83:
TochFlo 3D on my Omnia?

I just got a boner...

Quote Tropic Thunder:

I'm just like a little boy... Playing with his **** when he's nervous...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] leoiden:
that is sick man totally sick so sick

i don,t know what else to say but please share brothers!!!!!!!!!!!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] slovoflud:
Very Impressive! :) Well Done!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Juan83:
I just got a boner...

Im willing to help/test/kill/extort/murder/strangle/program

Anything to help the community, any thing for the FAMILY!!!

Quote: Im just like a little boy, playing with his **** when he's nervous...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Cheeseman-:
Wow, amazing job you folks are doing here. As an HTC Tilt owner seeing that you're running it on a Kasier gives me much more hope. :)

Just keep at it, cause you've got our constant support and appreciation.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Saschaaa71:
:eek: I smoke 4 cigarrettes while watching this 1 minute clip:D Damn
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] AtlanVIII:
i would love to have this on my omnia

but is it possible?

the omnia has afaik no 3d chip

or am i wrong?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Juan83:
WTF is wrong with you man?

Pessimist mo-fo!

Man! 2D is working fine! Why wouldnt 3D work mo-fo!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] iori:
gosh!:eek:

4 cigarrettes in one mouth?:D
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] NeoS:
See, this is why we need that 3D drivers. ;)

Actually, now i see this i also see that we REALLY need to improve on them too. *hurries back to the P3D thread*

Is the audiomanager from Diamond working now?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] ubhishek:
Looking really good man ... awesome
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] lupick:
WOW......

waiting for the release...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Saschaaa71:
nope...one by one, 25 sec per cigarrette:D and too large cups of coffee:cool:
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Chainfire:
First Test Release!

This is NOT for the faint of heart! You may need to hard-reset at some point to install a new version or get this working at all. Be warned! This is NOT ready for 24/7 use!

Keep in mind I am only releasing it now because I will not have time to work on it for about 3-4 days from now, didn't want to keep you all waiting that long.

Also note there are still some driver issues that need to be fixed for Kaiser/Polaris/Nike (HTC-CA drivers from yesterday) - like not being able to turn the phone off. You may use the ManilaToggle tool (included) to turn TF3D on and off - I suggest you bind it to a hardware button.

Changes

- Played around a lot with the mipmapping again, but have TURNED IT OFF for now. Keep having small issues with it. Now it's off that does mean text quality is crappy, you'll have to live with that for a bit until we can figure out what is going on/wrong.

Issues

I'm sure there'll be all sorts of issues for various people, I'll leave the people in this thread to figure these things out (and I WILL ask for a summary when I get back, so better keep things orderly :P). You will probably need to install a different audiomanager, opera, and whatnot.

Tested

This been tested and mostly works on:

- Kaiser

- Polaris

- KS20

Instructions

- Remove all plugins from the today screen

- Disable all TouchFlo, FTouchFlo, whatever-finger-scroll-etc thingy you got

- Soft-reset

- If you have them, uninstall previous TF3D versions/clones etc

- Soft-reset

- Install this CAB

- Soft-reset

- You may need to play with ManilaToggle and/or activate it manually through the Today screen settings panel to get it running

Requirements

- Working OpenGL ES driver...

Download

http://www.htcclassaction.org/download/TF3D-QVGA.cab
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] wud_e:
LOL You got the Non-Smokers part right! :p I've always been grossed out by cigarettes because my parents used to smoke Bugulars where they rolled their own Cigarettes. They would leave Tobacco mess everywhere. Even sometimes on the dinner table and to this day I can stand seeing people smoke when I eat or even have an ash tray on the table. Liek I said it just grosses me out. :p I'm 27 by the way.

On topic, Glad to see this up and running.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] pdgpereira:
This is awsom! Testing...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] neilson:
Can somebody test it to see if the MSM7500 CDMA devices can run it? You know, since Chainfire and Co. are in Europe where there are no CDMA networks or devices to properly test on.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] pcarvalho:
nicely done...congrats to you all!!!

its faster with mipmapping off at least it feels to me...

text is kind of strange, and some graphic elements are soo small that they done appear or only a dot appears (dotted lines) cause its rescaling all things in HW, i'm gonna have a look at the letter type used and see what can be done about that...gonna resize all textures too...just to see what happens :)

by the way...for the music tab to work install diamonds audiomanager its in the diamond rom development thead just search for it...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] NeoS:
I've tried that. It works, but it won't update the library. So it actually doesn't work. lol.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] m.schmidler:
*looool*, but it´s absolutely annoying for non-smokers...just do your smoking before you record the video, so we can see the improvements even better ;)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] pcarvalho:
the one i installed updates :confused:

placed new music files in my memcard in my music folder and then in a diferente folder and it updated normally...

i think i installed a cab by swtos...this one...

HTC_AudioManager_by_Swtos.cab
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] variosteph:
now i know what to do tonight!:

start smoking again (my girl will kill me)

start playing with tf3d (my girl will kill me faster, she hates my phones!):D

thank you for your hard work!

steph
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] rocky200:
Trinity

Trinity not working
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] egzthunder1:
In case anyone is interested, it does not install to the SD card (already tried), so don't ask :)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] beher:
have you 3D drivers for trinity?( is it possible on trinity!)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] xECK29x:
Ouch 15MBs

Testing now on AT&T tilt with Hyperdragon's latest Opal Rom.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] variosteph:
ha ha, installed the cab and the files got mixed up with the tf2d files, so everything is translated to german!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] rocky200:
Where to find 3D drivers for trinity?

Help me!!!!please
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] pdgpereira:
Txtures are nor that bad. Text was weird for me too. Turned cleartype on and it "cleared" some, not a hole lot.

Photos and video tab: for som reason, #2 till #6 pics were showin blanked out. Videos play from the tab but I canot access the bottom screen control tab by pressing on the screen or scroll center button, so, I can only exit on the red phone exit button.

Music: "the file "audiomannager_eng" cannot be opened... something about certificates. It never did that with M2D. I gess I'll chech one of the above suggested audio managers.

Other than that, really cool!! Will explore more.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] starchildx:
installed on :

Syrius R1 with latest Drivers.

Runs great,really smooth.

not problems ;)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] xECK29x:
Very long install for me still!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] xECK29x:
Got it installed (disabled WisBar 3 and TF2D), stays on Tap Here to launch TF3d and cycles three times then brings me back to that screen, no other today pluggins are enabled.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] chalid:
Same here. Installed it on trinity and keeps loading 3 times. Seems it has a) to less programm memory (29MB free) or b) not support 3d drivers.

Installation took about 5 minutes to complete. Soft reset after that and overall system speed weren't as fast as before.

But keep up the good work. I'm sure many w/o a trinity will appreciate it ... :D
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] genious_t:
working but toooo slow

i've installed on my O2 Orbit 2,

udk Syrus 0

it was not working before then i got to install d3d driver, after installing d3d driver it worked but it was too slow

finally i disable touch flo 3d but my orbit is still working too slow

and one more thing, in photo tab it showed only one picture all other pictures were blank

:(
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] pdgpereira:
Been getting this bug: I soft reset and the PIN screen apears. Than tf3d kicks in, the PIN screen disapears but, if I press anyware on, a button of The PIN screen reappears as a fragment. Eventually I can get the hole screen to show up and dile the PIN.

Anyone else getting this?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] pdgpereira:
On the other hand, I now have music tab workin. Hey, loose som, win some, i gess...

Thanks pcarvalho! That audio manager works fine.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] genious_t:
will try new rom

i'll try now udk Syrus 1 as starchildx said it is working smooth for him,

starchildx did you get to install d3d driver or it was built in udk Syrus 1 ?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] starchildx:
i first installed the polaris 3d driver and then tf3d.....
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] joshkoss:
got a cab for that driver?? sorry.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] genious_t:
i guess i will need to hard reset my phone

because it's become too slow even after uninstalling TF3D

starchildx

did you get to change your radio version as there are some known issues with some radio roms

which version of radio rom are you using?

by the way thanx for replying to my post

here is the cab for driver
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] starchildx:
i have 1.59.42.15.....i had first swtos v. 0.96 light and then syrius r1.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] chalid:
yep, can confirm. even after uninstalling tf3d the device is much slower than before. will do a hardreset tonight ...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Chainfire:
As stated this is a test version - probably a lot of dependancies and such not completely satisfied, etc. Work-in-progress!

As for the non-smoker comments... forgive me for not particularly caring about wether you like it or not, it's my home, it's not in public, it's my video, of my work, made in my spare time, and I'll damn well smoke my cigarette if I want to, when I want to, recording or not :eek: You don't like it, make your own video. You know I could also (a) hang out with my girl (b) hang out with friends or (c) make money instead of doing this.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] mata_mosca:
Lol, you tell em Chainfire, its enough were even getting this for free and not giving back, atleast most of us.

Great job, progress is going very, very fast
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] itje:
Yeah, smoke if you got'em chain...

I dont, I used to...

But when ppl put pressure on it, damn they suck
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] genious_t:
ofcourse its a great job, and we are just testing and trying to help the developer
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Chainfire:
genious_t feedback is welcome, don't take that post the wrong way, it is meant purely as response to those who complain im smoking in the video. Feedback is good, it'll help stuff get fixed.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] genious_t:
keep it up dude i also smoke alot ;) no worries

by the way i m from pakistan and we do not have any problem smoking here anywhere even in public areas, isn't it great?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Dave_Kjam:
Installed it on Polaris with syrius R1+3d drivers and it works

Lots of bugs though:

1-It's a bit slow;

2-music tab doesn’t work;

3-@ picture tab some pictures appear all white;

4-If you go to Album you can’t get back to TF3D, as the screen freezes( you have to soft reset, and if you don’t it will crash and boot up the device)

5-Lots of crashes, I think that it occurs when the device tries to go to sleep mode, it crashes with a Soft reset.

6-Text and pictures have that not good looking openGL look

7-SR after SR polaris becames slower

8-Polaris back feels a LOT warmer if you keep playing with TF3D (3d drivers working)

9-Weather tab doesn't update data. It gives an error saying it can't establish a connection.

BUT…. Hell what a difference from M2D, it’s awesome, that’s what I want for my polaris!!!!

@ chainfire and to all involved in developing TF3D: keep it up, you’re all doing a fantastic work on this. Thanks for all your effort.

Regarding the smoking comments: WTF, isn’t there enough repression already towards those who smoke?, can’t a guy do what he pleases @ his own home??
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] halorin:
Okay, here are my unscientific tests since installing it:

Phone: Touch Cruise

ROM: M-Amine 2.0 (I believe)

Radio: The .15 latest one for the Cruise

Thoughts:

For it to run as well as it does is amazing. The bulk of the slowdown I've experienced is when I use my finger to select different tabs. This may be related to the CPU usage spike from the touch.dll I saw someone mention before, but it's an observation.

The music tab doesn't work. It looks like some have gotten it to work but I'm at work and haven't had time to play around with it in depth.

If I don't use the Manila kill thing included in the cab and the screen tries to turn off on its own, the screen will go off for a second and then cut back. After this point TF becomes unresponsive and while I can access the start menu and everything, I've had to soft reset to get it working again. When this freeze happens, the last image pasted in the screen area sticks around (Like if I open the start menu and close it, the start menu will be plastered there like a screen copy).

I was able to add a city in Weather, but it seemed to hang at updating. I may just have to try it again or something.

The memory crunch wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. I had about 35 Megs free with Album, Messaging and a couple of other light things open. TF3D didn't seem to like the close all function in that top right task bar menu.

Sometimes when I turn my phone on, it won't load TF3D, the screen will turn off, and when I power it back on it says Launching TouchFlo 3D but will hang out. The phone will still function, however, if a little slow.

Perhaps it's a symptom of the HW scaling used, but the edges of the images seem 'rough'. I'm not sure how to describe it. Inconsequential now in this early phase of release, but it's something that I hope can be looked at during the polishing part of this development.

The messaging and e-mail tabs appear to work fine.

Some of my pictures come up as white in the picture tab. If I click on the white image it will load the picture properly. The video plays from the album.

The Settings tab works, but the comm manager came up with a significant delay. Not sure if that's the ROM or what. It seemed to come up only when I went to a window outside of TF3D (open messaging from the start menu).

I was able to add a program in the Programs tab.

Conclusion:

All in all, this is a great effort on the part of everyone involved. I don't know if I'm quite ready to use this as my main interaction with the phone, given the soft resets required to get things back to the way they should be, but I think you guys have come a LONG way.

Cheers and kudos.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] leoiden:
I can confirm it is a no go for vogue owners unless someone has a better or different driver other than polaris driver because that one froze the phone?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] beher:
similar for my trinity:

rom finixover3.6 black normal,

wm6.1,CE OS 5.2.20273 Build 20273.1.3.3

:(:(:(:(
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] egzthunder1:
To all,

If you post feedback, PLEASE specify which phone/OS version you are using. Otherwise, this will become another M2D monster thread very shortly.

@Chainfire,

Smoke to your heart's content brother :).

BTW, I am not sure who has ownership of this thread at this point (either you or djboo), but it might be a good idea to update the first post with the working devices often. When herg implemented that in the M2D, the number of daily posts decreased substantially...

(what do you know? maybe people do read after all :D)

Thanks for all your work!!!!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] xECK29x:
Got TF3d working after swapping Omnia driver for Tilt with the 'official' driver from HTCClassAction.

Here's the rundown:

Working 100%:

Intial Startup (launched manually via Today)

Automatic Startup on device start, no freezing no issues thus far have done 3 soft resets

Weather Panel (6 cities pre-programed by default causes lag once removed and set to 1/2 cities works like a charm)

Internet (launched Opera with no issues and saved and launched favorites as well)

Mail (works 100% slight lag on first load - Tested with GMAIL)

Messages (works great - slight artifacts when moving messages)

Settings: Communications, Sounds - all sliders and sub-menus, Wallpaper, Data and About

Programs - No issues adding or launching programs

Working - Needs slight fixing:

Photos/Videos - Some pictures not showing in preview (white image) shows properly when clicked and launched

Music - needs AudioManger_eng installed - will install cab previously posted and provide update.

Looks like I don't need a TouchPro after all!! Will donate lots and lots for the hard work on this!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] bornotty:
wow nice developing.. will this be for qvga too..?? sorry did'nt read the other posts..
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] xECK29x:
Add to not working:

Notifications: They seem to be hidden behind TF3d for whatever reason

Standby via tapping power button: Works only on full press no longer half-press or does not work at all
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Pisca:
Anyone as an ideia what may happen if I install Touch 3D on top of Manilla2D, could this overwrite manilla2D files, and mess up ?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] xECK29x:
Nope I have swapped back and forth between both, just make sure all other home screen plugins are disabled.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] mike21pr:
it seems that it needs 3d drivers to run

can anyone confirm that it launches using the omnia d3d drivers???
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] radem205:
REEEAAAADD!!!!!!! This topic is started to port Manila 3D VGA to QVGA. So...... the new version of Chainfire is only for QVGA.