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[XPERIA X1 General] technillion:
It's about how you use them...

Now that I own the X1i after previously owning the TP EU model, to determine which is best, it's all about how I use them.

When I owned the TP I drove to work and never got to watch videos, listen to music, read my emails, download and listen to podcast and RSS feeds during my commute. The TP was still great since 1) many divx movies I downloaded were unwatchable due to it's lack of excellerated video graphics and lack of 16:9 support. 2) Since I'm on U.S. ATT, I only got EDGE download speeds which was painful and prevented any speedy downloading -- esp. streaming video watching.

Now that I commute on the trains for 3 hours a day, the X1 is best. Since 1) it has a better graphics engine and supports wide-screen movies. 2) I get HDSPA speeds so I can zip through podcasts, streaming, emails and RSS feeds. 3) The audio is much better for music than the TP--louder and crispier sound.

Admittedly, I do miss the TP G-sensor games the its 5 row keyboard; but NOT the fingerprints!

For me, the X1 is the right device at the right time! ;)
[XPERIA X1 General] vivixx:
touch pro is better

xperia

1- no tv output....u cant enjoy pics and viedos taken on tv ect ect..

2 no acceleromter

3- no reset option as touchpro

4- no arrows or i giuesss also numbers in keypad

all this no no no is very annoying

for a slightly bigger screen...and a slightly better battery ...dont get to mathematical or go on with a ruler or a stop watch

tp has all options....xperia has not all options..but slightly better function who cares !!
[XPERIA X1 General] doministry:
Xperia as for me.

Better build quality too, and Media Panel.

Much better screen and camera too.
[XPERIA X1 General] slash_5150:
before i got my X1 i considered what abt the TP was better and vice versa.

-accelerometer - not a big loss for me....

-tv out - dun care...no intention to use it..

-touchflo3d - cool interface..

-more complete keyboard - tho buttons are kinda hard to press....ive tried.

where X1 is better..

-3.5mm jack -useful cos i already got nice earphones..

-widescreen resolution - cool for watching movies..

-VGA video recording

-slimmer and lighter - cant really tell the diff tho..

-comes in silver, looks sooooooo cool - a big plus for me...

luv moi X1. :D
[XPERIA X1 General] McHale:
This is why I chose the TP over the X1:

Does the TP screen look wider or is it just me? I hate the screen lip on the X1 (and the standard screen size helps with compatibility issues). Tack on that the TP keyboard is better and it was a simple decision.

I know I've posted that before, but this time I have pictures. :)

-Mc
[XPERIA X1 General] Star-Lite:
I'm in doubt between the to & xperia as well. I'm coming from a hermes and I played a bit with both phones at a tmobile shop. I must say I was not impressed by both keyboards, the x1 keys felt loose and feedbackless, while I couldn't seem to hit a single key on the tp as well, the keys were just too small and close together. if I so tlike either kb ,I mght just as well get a touch hd and use pocketcm....

any ex hermes uses here that have an opinion about both kb's?
[XPERIA X1 General] Pete79:
My previous phone was a Hermes and I went for the TP; later I got the Xperia from my employer and had to use it for a couple of weeks; this was cool because I originally was waiting for the X1. Any-hoo: I have to say TP's keyboard takes the cake here and when we're talking about qwerty-phones it's a pretty big thing.. These points make it a winner for me:

- arrow buttons; the optical joystick of X1 is too far away from the keyboard to be used fluently

- CTRL button; copy/cut/paste obviously and also when used with shift It's a quick way to select whole words/multiple words

- dedicated number buttons; love'em

(- all the necessary special characters right there, no need to go into any on screen symbol pad; just the currency characters, no biggy)

..both devices have their strengths but the keyboard is the most important thing for me and that's why TP stays as my main phone. The things I liked in X1 over the TP would be screen (size mainly, WVGA is a poorly supported resolution app-wise) and 3,5mm headphone jack.
[XPERIA X1 General] Star-Lite:
Hmzz, on the images that I have seen, both seem to have about the same special characters on the KB.

http://www.letsgodigital.org/images/artikelen/13/xperia-x1-sony-ericsson.jpg

http://www.intomobile.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/htc-touch-pro-keyboard-review-1.jpg

How is the X1 keyboard after you got used to it? Is it ok, or is it still bad after a few weeks?
[XPERIA X1 General] nktpro:
The keyboard on the Xperia is much better and easier to type quickly. Here is why:

I owned both devices so before the switch, like everyone else I did a quick research, read reviews, comments... and was afraid of that as well. In the end it's clear that: All bad judges on the Xperia keyboard are made on the DEMO VERSION. Before the retail version the keyboard had bad quality, too soft, less tactile feedback. Things change completely when SE release it.

You gotta go to SE retail shop and try it yourself to believe.
[XPERIA X1 General] Pete79:
Yeah scratch that: must've been the currency characters.. I just remember constantly bringing up the symbol pad (maybe I'm too money oriented ;)

After getting used to it, it's ok; on its own, good even. But when comparing the two, TP is just that much better.
[XPERIA X1 General] ipporek:
Close to selling off my Touch Pro but end up I'm discovering more and more points about it that I'll miss:

1) Flushed screen

- Scroll bars etc at the edges are easy to access using your fingers

2) USBtoPC popup (haven't seem to have seen a cab for it for the X1 yet)

- No need to go into the USBtoPC app everytime you wanna switch modes

3) Home Key

- Useful especially (to me) when using TF3D (don't know if possible to map a key to it)

4) Heat sink for the LED

- Some X1 users had their LEDs damaged after using the hTorch app cos apparently the X1 lacks a heat sink for the LED

Of course there's the lack of accelerometer and TV out, but those I'm still ok with.
[XPERIA X1 General] Black93300ZX:
Well yes, if you search for 3G reception for iPhone... Or for N95... or for any other phone on the planet, people are going to be complaining about bad reception. I don't think it's because every phone on the planet is awful, but a lot of people wouldn't be coming here unless they had problems to solve, or because they weren't happy.
[XPERIA X1 General] Black93300ZX:
Oh, and for those of you that think I'm biased against the Xperia:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=2586120&postcount=1

Sold the Fuze for $1000, and decided the Xperia isn't what I want. Not because I hate the phone, because I just don't feel it's as good as some others out there.
[XPERIA X1 General] ipporek:
Oh, I too was wondering why couldn't the keyboard be black too. Looks kinda weird this way (black on silver).
[XPERIA X1 General] msalmank:
Nice find... Looks like a prototype (i say from the unfinished look'n'feel).

As for screen rotation, according to The Unwired guys (www.theunwired.net), "Yes, the lower button on the left side is supposed to switch the orientation. However, the button didn't worked with the prototype I had."

I'll see if i can find something else...
[XPERIA X1 General] nap007:
how can you do that? :confused: :p
[XPERIA X1 General] Insaneboy:
Is this it?

Or am i imagining things :D

Or is it the button at the bottom?

Nah... the first one is for the battery cover... optical illusion :P

Second one though...
[XPERIA X1 General] nap007:
yes, you were imagining things Insaneboy :D

1. that was definitely not the camera button, you won't place a camera button on the bottom of the device :D

2. what do you mean by the first one?
[XPERIA X1 General] msalmank:
You most probably found it in the first photo...

In the preview here: http://www.umpcportal.com/2008/05/exclusive-preview-24-hours-with-the-sony-ericsson-xperia-x1/

he says: "On the Left hand side of the device we have the power connector a function button (presumably push-to-talk) and the other speaker."

I am thinking that this function button is the one to switch rotation...

There is no camera button in this image... the Camera button lies on the right side of the phone, on the left there is a speaker.
[XPERIA X1 General] msalmank:
If i'm right, you're the one calling others (specifically me) to be biased... no one else called you biased. :D
[XPERIA X1 General] Black93300ZX:
MiniUSB, not MicroUSB ***
[XPERIA X1 General] Insaneboy:
Well the second photo is of the left side and there are 2 buttons that i can see, probably the lower one.
[XPERIA X1 General] msalmank:
You have a valid point there!
[XPERIA X1 General] msalmank:
If you don't mind me suggesting/saying, but 2 to 3 weeks back i came to the same conclusion and was thinking of going for the Touch Pro... but after i found out certain facts did i then decide that Xperia was better than Pro. (which include the increased RAM [384 MB], high resolution video recording, and the ATI 3d chip among a few otherrs)

the biggest problem with Xperia is that there are so many sites listing details for it and its specifications but most of them are outdated and need to be updated... If only Sony Ericsson had the sense like HTC to list entire details of the set on their site!
[XPERIA X1 General] nap007:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ks1PfLoWU8Y

look at the 2:04 time, the video isn't showing the button clearly, but the reviewer stated it; I tried to inspect the image and found a minor (or rather major?) difference compared to the image I posted in 2nd page :

in the last page's image it had nothing, while in the video there was something like a symbol in that area.....
[XPERIA X1 General] msalmank:
Maybe it is... but the buttons don't look quite finished to me. Kind of rough and plasticy...
[XPERIA X1 General] msalmank:
:)

Nice find!!!
[XPERIA X1 General] Pinguino1:
NO FLAW HERE.

If I have to choose between built-in internal memory or removable, I would take everytime the removable.

Instead of being locked with 8 or 16Gb internal. I rather have as many memory chips and swap them whenever I need them or even insert them in another phone or laptop. (Besides as working RAM Xperia has the most of any other Phone (so far) 384MB!!! a lot of people don't have that in their laptops or even desktops.)
[XPERIA X1 General] nap007:
it should be taken into everybody notes that X1's RAM has been upgraded 2 times, from 128 to 384; and the developer wouldn't do that if something hasn't gone wrong with the performance, it also won't matter if it has 8GB RAM but in the end it only spare 30MB of RAM after you booted the phone or opened many apps (just opened not used) or activated all 'heavy' panels.
[XPERIA X1 General] asolano895:
Yup...But no physichal qwerty.....:(
[XPERIA X1 General] msalmank:
There can be other reasons for increasing RAM as well... and we can't say at this point as to how much RAM there will be left spare on the device until the final device comes out and we get our full in-depth reviews.
[XPERIA X1 General] nap007:
is there a chance that we will get reviews in the next 6 hours?

*edit*

I was quite wrong with the button, it not only just a symbol, actually the button is VERY VISIBLE in that italian origin video, compared to the pic before

vs

and

now we should all worried!
[XPERIA X1 General] foo:
I agree to this in general, but in this particular case I did some objective testing by myself. I compared my TyTN to the Diamond (which is equal to Touch Pro concerning reception) at the same place, at the same time with the same carrier and the Diamond had a weaker reception. It did not even find the 3G network in "auto mode", we had to force it to 3G first, then it had 1 bar while my TyTN found the 3G network also in "auto mode" and had 2-3 bars.

I also did a lot of asking about that in forums and it obviously turned out that other users came to the same conclusion by comparing their other devices to the Touch Pro.

As you are in the US, you might use the 900 MHz UMTS band, which can make a huge difference in reception anyways because of the longer wavelength compared to 2100 MHz in Europe, which is quite more sensitive.

I use a lot of 3G communication, I have about 5 GByte traffic each month using HSDPA, so it's important for me and it's the reason why i skipped the Touch Pro (which I wanted to buy in the first place).
[XPERIA X1 General] nap007:
*edit*

from bengalboy, these should be clearer
[XPERIA X1 General] Insaneboy:
It could have something to do with the receiver being at the bottom end of the device. Try holding it upside down and do the test again :D
[XPERIA X1 General] foo:
:D

Actually we placed both devices on a table. :)
[XPERIA X1 General] clburns1:
you know what...I hate the people here at xda-developers for making the everyone else so well informed. Now I'm gonna have to wait even longer for the X1 instead of springing for the Fuze and being disappointed when the x1 comes out. Haha, but seriously since the X1 got a ram increase and it has the graphics accelerator, I think I've decided to go with it.

Well now I'm just going to start doing what I have been doing with the fuse..drooling over youtube videos explaining every little detail.
[XPERIA X1 General] Insaneboy:
Seriously, all you acclerometer people.

Do you want to be looking like this?

:D
[XPERIA X1 General] msalmank:
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!! But they are playing Wii then... ;)
[XPERIA X1 General] nap007:
I can still accept the lack of a accelerometer, but not if I have to open the keyboard everytime just to make the display went landscape.
[XPERIA X1 General] Black93300ZX:
AT&T uses the 850mhz/1900mhz bands, I'm not sure if my area is 850 or 1900 honestly. Either way, all I can say about it is that the Fuze gave me the best 3G reception I've ever had or seen.
[XPERIA X1 General] Black93300ZX:
As for this talk about the Xperia vs Touch Pro, just talked to someone who works for AT&T and has a pre-release Xperia...

"As far as the X1 I wouldnt wipe my ass with it. Way too many bugs, sony and htc are working on them. I carry a tilt. But i think If the X1 becomes more stable I would use it. Or just maybe the Fuze. I have tons of options to choose, but im really partial to the Tilt."

That kinda worries me considering the device shouldn't be too far from release, the Fuze I had was from July 16th I believe and it had no issues at all. I don't know why the Xperia has so many bugs, in every video I watch it seems something goes wrong, or they can't show us something because it doesn't work.
[XPERIA X1 General] msalmank:
I agree that it is kind of worrying that the xperia has so many bugs in its pre-release models, but keep in mind that it is after-all a pre-release. Considering what they are trying to accomplish - 9 applications running simultaneously, and with the panel animations and all, its no wonder there would be problems there...

A device's rating does not consider how it performs in its pre-release models... but will be based on how the device performs in its final state. Besides SE has made changes to their Xperia hardware from time to time, and as far as i know, there were no prototypes with the 384 MB RAM on them...

We'll just have to wait and see as the reviews come in.

Fuze/Touch-Pro is an awesome device, but it has its issues/glitches too. To be honest, i would rather trust HTC's device over someone's who is new to Windows Mobile... but from where i'm sitting, Xperia is more feature packed, and a more powerful device especially due to its 384 MB RAM plus the ATI 3D chip (which i think the Touch Pro also has...). And i certainly think that in default state Touch Flo 3D is perfect, but Panels have more potential...

Best Regards.
[XPERIA X1 General] msalmank:
Though it satisfies to know that he believes sony and htc are working on the bugs (or have fixed all problems in the final device), but can he elaborate on what kind of bugs were there?

Best Regards.
[XPERIA X1 General] nap007:
well, that's quite discouraging, and TBH with the rotation button is likely to be gone also that there is apparently even no thumbable on screen keyboard, it's looks like X1 is becoming less and less attractive to me....

anyway 1 other thing came into my mind.......people always thought that TP has a 288MB RAM, that is true but...., people forget that it will be shared with the GPU, AFAIK Diamond allocated 64MB of it's RAM for it, so in the end, actually Diamond only has 128MB RAM for running it's entire system; now with that come into mind, it's obviously clear that the same would apply to TP so TP is actually only likely to have 288 - 64 MB of RAM = 224 MB RAM!

OTOH we know nothing about this on X1, we now know that it also has a GPU, but what amount of RAM it will be allocated is somewhat mysterious, we don't even know what ATI GPU it is. (it could be Imageon M100, but somehow I doubt it)

so X1 come wih 384 MB, but it would be like this 384 MB total - X amount allocated for the GPU - X amount 'reserved' to run 9 panels; judging from how they upped the RAM from 128 to 384 I would guess it like this : 384 - 64 for the GPU and - 128 for the panels and the result could be 192 MB of RAM.

anyway that's only my thought. :D
[XPERIA X1 General] Black93300ZX:
As for it being a pre-release, obviously... I had a pre-release Fuze and, no lie, I did not find ONE problem with it that really got in my way and couldn't be fixed/tweaked/removed. The Xperia has, by far, the worst pre-release problems I've ever seen in any device that's been reviewed. I HOPE this doesn't transfer to production, but as it is people complain about Touch Pros and their bugs...
[XPERIA X1 General] KCMatt:
Okay, this guy who wipes his ass with cell phones would take his Tilt over a pre-production X1 and a pre-production Touch Pro?

Has AT&T already made their changes to his X1? If so they probably ruined it by loading it up with bloatware. I'd guess 5 of his panels are things like AT&T ringtone store, Video Share, AT&T Navigation, AT&T Mobile TV, etc. I bet the fish have little AT&T logos on them!

All I can say is my Tilt worked fine for a long time (without bloatware), until I upgraded to AT&T's 6.1 ROM. It's so buggy I can't wait to get a new phone. I swear, they do this on purpose!
[XPERIA X1 General] Black93300ZX:
Umm, compelling post I guess... But the only problem is, AT&T probably won't ever carry the X1... His pre-release model is like all the others. He said he gets tons of pre-releases, half of which never even make it to production, and most of which never make it to AT&T. The manufacturers do this to try and lure carriers into selling them subsidized, then the carrier makes the decision from there. Search youtube for "xperia x1 review", 90% of the videos I've seen include the person saying "hold on one second, let me soft reset" and they stop the camera, then start recording again afterwards... "Let us not judge SE and HTC for bugs like that, hopefully they have them worked out in the production model" the reviewer is apt to say. But alas, the Fuze never had these pre-production woes. :(
[XPERIA X1 General] Black93300ZX:
And you know you can keep the Tilt from having bloatware right? I think it was something with a hard reset, then you turn the phone off in the middle of it installing something, go search it. Installs everything WM6 related but no AT&T garbino.
[XPERIA X1 General] msalmank:
Lol!!! I've watched so many videos on Youtube and other than one (that was done in May) i haven't seen any video where the user had to soft reset their phone... There have been slow panel switching problems and so on, but nothign as major as you are leading everyone to believe.
[XPERIA X1 General] msalmank:
I won't say anything... but just this: Wait for the final Xperia device's previews... Don't judge it on what someone is saying based on a prototype they used.

Most people using the prototypes of Xperia have spoken nothing but high of the device...
[XPERIA X1 General] msalmank:
Lol! and i can point you to those who claim the TP prototypes to be buggy too. But like you say, nothing that you couldn't tweak or fix.

With Xperia... you haven't mentioned even once the problems faced? Slow panels? then you should know by now that Xperia now has 384 MB ram and we'll know exact performance then... And anyways... the whole Panel concept is more advanced than a special 3D UI on the Touch Pro...

Bottom line is:

Stop degrading a device based on its prototype models. Need i remind you that the prototype models had no ATI 3D chip, way too low RAM (which proto is the AT&T guys using? 128 MB RAM? 256 MB?) and more features missing from them.
[XPERIA X1 General] foo:
I would also suggest to wait for "real" reviews on the final hard- and software and not rely on "some guy said something" reviews.

The video from Arne is awesome and it's all quick and responsive. That's how I like it and that's also how I'll expect it.

On the other hand, I have never seen a HTC device without severe bugs and I'm pretty sure Xperia will have its bugs, but the question is, if one can live with them.

Anyways, I have no choice... If the X1 fails I can't buy any other current device that fits to my needs, so I most likely will buy the X1. :)
[XPERIA X1 General] samy.3660:
I think black, you are just telling xperia is worst to satisfy yourself with the buggy touchpro you possess. You are just being biased in all your post about xperia. Let it be launch and then see, i have never seen a windows phone operate so fast in its prerelease.....
[XPERIA X1 General] nap007:
^ I agree

but we don't buy X1 solely for it's ZOMG Xperia Panels FTW!!! do we?

no matter how good it is, if the other systems are soooo below high end standard (a standard set by Omnia, Diamond, Touch Pro and for that matter : Iphone) it would be disappointing.
[XPERIA X1 General] Black93300ZX:
Forget what I posted here, I'll post some videos. :)
[XPERIA X1 General] Black93300ZX:
I don't own a Touch Pro you bumpkin, I sold my Fuze for $1,000 meaning I have $100 more than I bought it for, and have that much more to throw down for the Xperia if I decide I want it, and I don't. If you look at my sig, see where it says "xS_O_L_Dx" next to the Fuze? Let's take that into account.

So here's the situation, truly, as it presents itself. I like high end phones, true. I'm willing to spend Xperia-like money on a phone ($900 on my last one), true. I considered the Xperia myself, especially when selling the Fuze... True. I decided it's not what I want, true. How could you ever say I'm biased against it based on the device I have? I'm currently using my back up phone, a Sony Ericsson W810i, until I get my next PPC... Which will not be an Xperia.

(Note: Replaced with "bumpkin" for fear of getting banned... Again.)
[XPERIA X1 General] Black93300ZX:
>.<

Well, you can read my last post.
[XPERIA X1 General] Black93300ZX:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m08aHyxe-W0 Skip to 6:30

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSv1D6zjm5M Skip to 1:20, 2:50

You're right though, I'm making these things up. Look through all of the Raphael reviews on YouTube and find me some that have problems like this, this is 2 videos that I found in 2 minutes of searching to make you get off my back.

More... Look at 1:50, how long it takes to change screen orientation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8ZL2-QEFoM

More... 0:15, 1:35, 2:48

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9C3zUJIi1k
[XPERIA X1 General] foo:
This is quite old stuff. I would not make a buy or no-buy decision based on this prototype crap.

Look at the latest one and that's not even the final version, but it has so much enhanced already.

But this thread became more and more kinda flamewar.

I'm no longer willing to discuss on this level. In a view days we probably will hold the first devices in our hands and then we'll see what is left from those outdated youtube stuff.
[XPERIA X1 General] samy.3660:
Better keep your mouth shut, keep your views with yourself it is not needed here. Any sane person can make out you are being biased against xperia. Thats said, no more discussion with biased attitude.

Ps: I have a better word than bumpkin, but donna crap my mouth....