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[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BAMF:
All of T-Mobile's SIMs have been 3G capable for quite some time. Besides, once a SIM is activated and then deactivated (old SIM) it can never be activated again.

The G1 data feature will work with other phones, and on a technical level, the other data features (Blackberry BIS, Total Internet) will work on the G1... until T-Mobile catches on that you aren't using the G1 feature.

One thing to keep in mind for anyone not looking to use ANY data on the G1, you MUST register a GMail account on the G1 before you can do anything at all. This is not going to happen without the data add-on... you'll basically have a very fancy brick that can only dial 911. Now if you put a SIM card in with the data add-on and register a GMail account, then put your non-data SIM back in, the G1 will work as far as basic phone functions (i.e. making and receiving calls), with the caveat of course that T-Mobile may yank your service if they catch on.

For those who feel it is unfair to pay $25 for the G1 feature when you already have family unlimited text, you're about to be in good company. ALL of the data plans (Blackberry, WinMo, and Sidekick) are going up in price to fall in-line with the G1 prices. There will be options for some phones that will cost less than $25, but they have bandwidth caps. I know, it sucks. IMHO, this kind of behavior from T-Mobile of late has contributed to them losing the top spot in the JD Power surveys. T-Mo is acting like the big boys, but they don't have the devices or network to justify it.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] johnny13oi:
Well actually, once a SIM is deactivated, you can still use it. You just have to be VERY persistent about it and they will let you do it. It takes about a day or two for it to work but I have done it in the past before. The G1 still works nicely if you are in an area with Wifi. The only problem though is the wifi that I am surrounded by is WPA Enterprise and the G1 doesn't support that, and to top it off there is absolutely no cell tower reception in those areas, so during those times, the phone is totally useless to me. I really wished the G1 had WPA Enterprise.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cboy007:
HOLY ****. I DONT CARE ABOUT ANY SHORTCOMINGS ANYONE HAS ABOUT THIS PHONE (BATTERY LIFE). I TOOK IT OUT OF THE BOX AT 3 (NOW 6).

THIS IS AMAZING. WINDOWS MOBILE SUCKS. THIS IS BETTER THAN THE IPHONE. ITS SO SEEMLESS AND AMAZING AND EVERYTHING JUST WORKS SO WELL AND QUICKLY AND WOW.

windows mobile is forever dead to me. buy this now.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] haitiankid4lyf:
don't forget to train the battery by letting it die then charging it for 5mins then let it die again and then charge for about 5-6hrs*(or more) leave it off.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cmonex:
no, WM phones got nothing to do with NT ... the kernel is totally from scratch and the virtual memory (VM), scheduler, security model etc are also nothing compared to NT. the API is also rewritten from scratch though of course externally it behaves quite similar to win32, which is great if you are experienced with that.

yes you can see what I'm getting at - NT's model is much better... just more heavy weight. WM's kernel was supposed to be optimized for 4MB ram devices, so now you are starting to see the limitations; in WM6.1 MS had to introduce an extra VM feature to keep up with WM6.1's requirements. and even though windows CE (what WM is based on) was optimized for low RAM, the scheduler model was oversimplified, part of that got fixed later, but still not perfect for sure. I wonder if CE6's new kernel fixes it more - it definitely fixes the VM availability and security issues though! what a shame MS delayed WM7 which would be based on CE6 kernel. I think they made a big mistake with delaying it. perhaps uncorrectable by the time it comes out, who knows - depends on how delayed it will be :)

btw why WM5 and later WM OS'es are slow - most of that is because they are ROM based. WM2003 was lightning fast (but unstable, though most of those crashes got fixed in WM5 :) ). the rest? probably some poorly written code.

sum up: but no, WM isn't really bloated, do not compare it to NT. the root of the problems is elsewhere.

the iphone is not faster BTW... just more consistent in speed. this is what makes people think that it is fast. but it actually annoyed me with app launch speeds and stuff (slow).
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] brooklynite:
So its 2 days left to day 14, Are you sending it back?

So I have had the phone for 12 days now, in 2 days I can no longer return it. I miss my WING which I have kept it charged, but I don't miss the constant memory shortage errors. The WING gave me lot of flexibility with excel, word and tons of software. The app market with no big software makers present except for what seems to be a group of teenage geeks writing calculators and stop watches and alarm clocks. No one is even using the accelerometer except for bubble and amazed. The compass basically does not work right for me.

I am trying to keep positive, but it is just hard.

I love the browser (except for no flash, silverlight, pdf, support)

I love Gmail in hand at all time.

I love Google Maps a all times.

Cant live not having Excel and Outlook sync as major issues.

Can wait for software but is there going to be any? Google probably will block any MS compatible product or make it work improperly.

Dont know about the privacy. Are all these teenage app makers reading my sms messages and tracking my location and who I call from where? I know I have to sign my life away every time I install an app with disclaimers?

And now I have to decide, in the next two days.

Shall I send it back? :confused:

what would you do? Please help me decide. Give me hope or help me drop it and go back to my handy WING and wait for the XPERIA X1
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] timace:
ahhh X1 is awesome but lacks accelerometer...your post is very similar to mine lol (http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=445873) i also miss my wing but im gonna stick it out...
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ryanmo5:
If i were you i would ride it out. When all that you are seeking comes to the g1 then you will be kicking yourself for getting rid of it. After this year is out they will be releasing paid apps and games into the market. I think we all know that there are ways around the $$$ so hold onto it you wont regret it in the future.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] twistkill:
same with my G1 and Kaiser..but I would hold on to the G1..

i have kept all my data and stuff intact on my Kaiser..just in case

but android os holds a lot of promise...
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] brooklynite:
I am starting to think the real software makers are holding back as the market is supposed to be free this year so hopefully starting next year we can start spending a good number of $$$/month and buy some good stuff.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fryercjn:
Thanks for putting me right. I'd misinterpreted the phrase "based on the Win32 API" and demonstrated my considerable ignorance ...

Glad someone agrees with me that iPhones aren't quick - slick yes, quick no.

:D
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BAMF:
As another poster stated, everything on the market is free until the end of the year. Once developers are allowed to start charging for apps in '09 I think we'll see the big boys bringing some decent offerings to the table.

With time, I'm positive we'll see solutions for MS compatibility. I doubt MS will release anything Android based, but there's nothing stopping 3rd parties from coming out with something comparable, i.e. OpenOffice. Google will not block MS compatibility, they'd be shooting themselves in the foot by alienating a huge potential market, plus it would fly in the face of their heralded open-source Android OS.

That is EXACTLY why those disclaimers are there-- so you know exactly what parts of your phone an app has access to before installing. You don't want to just click through this like a standard EULA, if you don't trust an app to access certain things then be aware of what it will access and choose not to install.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] asiangrl01:
slomomo1018

LOG ON TO MY TMOBILE GO UNDER MY ACCOUNT THEN CLICK CHANGE SERVICE THEN JUST UNCHECK THE G1 PLAN MAKE SURE U CONFIRM AND SUBMIT
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] veda_sticks:
Thats absolutly crazy paying for data.

Im paying 35 a month with free web n walk plus and i got the phone for free. Though im in the UK.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bobby digital:
Should I G1?

I previously had an xda exec and got on with that very well but after a few years I just fancied something smaller an with a decent camera so, I went with the N95 which has served me well. In all fairness it still pretty much does everything I ask and need of it but, for wanting to keep up with the Joneses Ive started looking at upgrades again! Only thing that really interests me is the N96 and the G1 which I had not even heard of till yesterday!

So, how would pepole compare the G1 to an N96? whether you have used both or not, any observations as to pro's and con's?

For me so far pros with n96:

- 5mp cam that ive become used to

- Upto 24GB memory which would be sweet as i double my phone up as an mp3

- 3.5ml jack

- double battery life

N96 cons:

- almost an inch smaller screen

- not as much scope for app development

- no qwerty board

pros and cons with g1 are basically the opposite of the n96 obviously although I would be downgrading camera to 3.2 from 5mp that i am used to...
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jashsu:
I can pretty much sum up the G1's killer app in four words: push gmail, persistent gtalk. Okay maybe gtalk isn't a word. If you are a heavy user of either gmail or google talk, the G1 has no rival.

If you live in the United States then visit a T-mo store and try it out. Being a N95 user clearly you will have no problem with a thicker phone like the G1.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bobby digital:
I dont use gtalk as only a few of my friends use gmail, im more of a skype/msn dude, is fring or similar available on the G1?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bobby digital:
To be honest I dont use gtalk an only a light gmail user. Im more of a skype/ msn dude, is fring or similar available for download yet? im in th uk by the way.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bobby digital:
I dont use gtalk to be honest and only a light gmail user. Im more of a skype/msn dude myself, is fring or similar available on g1 yet?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bobby digital:
sorry the quick reply tool was playing up for me then and kept failing to post the message but obviously didnt!
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ridli:
Yes, you can use msn and skype
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] santela:
Just Got My G1 for Free Today!!!

Just got my G1 for free today! i was all prepared to pay $179 for this baby, but end up not paying a penny!

so i went to this Chinese T-mobile store, n asked for family plan for 2. then i asked them wut kinda phone do i get. she asked me if i want one phone or two phones, cuz usually u get 2 phones for 2 numbers, but if u want a really nice phone, u can only get one.

I end up getting the 2 yr family plan for $69.99 n a free white G1. seems like data plans r required now, but im just gonna cancel that after four months, i get wifi at most of the places i hang out! my poor mom can't get any new phone cuz i got the G1... but I'll get her a new one in China, where cellphones r much cheaper n hv more choices...

So ya, apparently u don't have to pay $179 for this if u live in an area with lotta asian ppl hanging around... such as LA. just throwing the news out there, if anyone ever would wanna save some money.

Oh, n they also hv the Samsung Omnia for free also, which i don't like at all, but u know, some ppl might prefer that over the G1 for reasons i personally would not know.

Btw, i got the white one:)
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] markshield07:
where exactly is that store located???
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] daisaw1219:
I did the same thing. I got a family plan with 5 lines, I got 2 n82 for 100 each and a free black g1 and car chargers, zagg skins, and bluetooth headsets for all 3 phones.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] leoni1980:
wow we've got it so lucky here in the UK then!

As a new OR existing customer (as I was) for 30 GBP per month- about 44 dollars - we get a FREE G1, a FREE 8GB MICRO SD, 140GBP - $209 - per month to spend on minutes sms or picture messages and TEN GIGABYTES of data allowance per month on an 18 month contract. I'm on friends and family so I got it all for the equivalent of 22 dollars a month.

You guys get stung bigtime...but then your gas prices are loads cheaper
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] markshield07:
did you go to the same store as the guy who posted this ???
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] leoni1980:
No I'm in the uk, but my offer is universal here - in other words you can wander into any phone shop and get a g1, loads of minutes and texts, 10gb/pm data allowance and an 8gb card for £30 a month.

I was just making the point that the G1 seems a hell of a lot cheaper here in the uk, where it is not deemed a very prestigeous phone and isn't selling all that well.

In just a month T-Mobile have slashed its price and the level of tarif required to get it free. Of course they deny that sales of the handset are anything but superb but to make such huge reductions after only a month hints at a failing advertising campaign. I personally like the handset but have just sold my second one on Ebay and continue to use my iPhone. No-one liked the look of it and here in the uk looks are everything, which is why the iPhone and other varients from LG and Samsung make the most money.

Keep an eye on eBay uk as I suspect the cost of the G1 will drop like a stone after Xmas so you might be able to pick up a really cheap, contract-free model.

I recommend the White by the way, the black seems somehow bigger and cheaper-looking.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] drewX2:
My first business was a wireless store. Never buy from a retail (corporate) store! Look for a local reader/publication and you will always find awesome deals. An example would be the San Diego Reader. This publication has roughly 20 pages of just wireless store ads with dirt cheap prices and its for advertising local events and businesses in the San Diego area.

I used to sell phones for 100-200$ less than corporate locations because I would just cut into my commission.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jzerocsk:
Yeah 3rd parties can offer better prices by putting some of their commission back into the price. If you ever wonder why LetsTalk.com or another place is offering a better deal than the provider, that's one main reason.

Only problem is those deals from 3rd parties are never good for existing customers.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dashesy:
"I really wished the G1 had WPA Enterprise."

that is true for most of the people at work and at school. Google should put more effort on this to win over iPhone which has this feature.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] alleyezondisromo:
same eher i got my g1 for free and i was already an existing customer, he just made me add two lines to my account and dats it
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Rmg12gra:
Yeah mines £35p/m (I guess about US$50) with unlimited 3g internet, unlimited texts and 700 minutes, free phone.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] allcelldeals:
Same here, I had 4 lines to bring to T-Mo and got hooked up with 2 free G1s.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] santela:
Rowland Heights, if you know where that is.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] santela:
looks like im not the only one who got a good deal. ya, so ppl should definitely shop around for better deals, they r just out there waiting!
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] krillin:
would a place still give a deal if you were to renew an existing line?? i'm in irvine.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 24bronco:
I dont know but I wish, im in Mission Viejo Myself but I plan to take a drive to Los angeles this weekend. does anyone know if you can still buy the G1 from the microsoft website at a discount still?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mysticales:
So is the G1 Unlockable or installable?(Just got it today)

Hey, so just checking since its a HTC phone.. Any way to unlock them other then ordering it that way? Been wondering if I can do some 3rd party stuff to it too.

Also anyway to access shared folders from windows too? Not sure if this new Andriod can do that.

Hope this G1 is worth it. Do you all think it is? Just trying to do some research on it before I turn it on. Heh. Anyways just guess im after a lil tech savvy info or is this thing too new?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tucka20:
Is the G1 right for me?

Hi, I currently have an N95 as my main phone and a Tytn(hermes) as my secondary.I am thinking of changing to a G1.

I mainly need a phone for sms messaging, instant messaging, email (gmail i use so that wont be a prob) and A LOT of internet browsing including youtube. I also use Orb which allows me to stream media and live tv to my phone, which works on wm6.1 tytn and symbian n95. I use the camera, although won't miss the two megapixel difference too much as I don't use it everyday for example (shots of mates, gf, and ebay listings), but video recording would be extremely nice to have.

Questions:

Will all of the features I use a lot work on the G1, whether inbuilt or with decent external apps?

Will we see video recording in the near future?

These two things will be the deal maker/breaker for me, so any help would be greatly appreciated.

PS: I'm on tmobile with an unlimited data plan.

Thanks,

Tucka
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Untouchab1e:
Video recording will be implemented with the Cupcake upgrade for Android ;)
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tucka20:
Okay thanks. I was under the impression cupcake was the new os for the new batch of phones. It's coming to G1?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tucka20:
Another question, I blind text (SMS without looking). Is this possible at all with the qwerty keyboard or can you not distinguish between keys?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Untouchab1e:
What do you mean? I dont have my G1 yet, but my Touch pro which also has a QWERTY is fine for blind texting. You just need to get used to the keyboard and the key mappings? Why shoulndt it be possible?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cboy007:
well it's dfeinitely more difficult to blind text on the G1 than a phone with the 9 key t9 input...but it's also easier to blind text on the g1 than the iphone or something with a touchscreen keybaord. you really do need to hands to text on this phone but i can do it without looking now for the most part.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tucka20:
ok, thanks. it's mainly for school when you are 'not allowed' mobiles :D
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tucka20:
The reason I was thinkiing was whether the keys were all-in-one or individual so you can distinguish between them, but I have since tried a G1 in my local Tmob store
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mysticales:
So no one knows yet if you can access windows shared files/folders? Or be able to stream content from your PC to the G1 (So you could watch movies or pics etc)
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] neoobs:
I have both streamed music and videos from inside my local network and over 3G using gmote and orb.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mysticales:
Thanks, Ill try those, They are on the market right? (Not that you need root access? Cause I dont have that yet)
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] neoobs:
gmote is a two part system. The client is on the market but you also have to download the server to your computer.

Orb is completely installed on your computer then just point your browser on the G1 to http://mycast.orb.com and start browsing. It is really nice and works for more than just the G1, while gmote is strictly for the G1 but also has its own advantages like a touchpad for your computer (uses the touchscreen to control your mouse) and the ability to control your computers sound as well as stream it to your phone.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] airsonic:
Is there any way I can get MSN email working on the G1?

Or Yahoo. BTW I have an unlocked G1 on AT&T.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zebrapositions:
Vibration/reminders

Im looking for a program that reminds you of unnoticed notifications (any) and/or if there is a setting i can adjust for vibration time since i recently rooted my G1, anyone know where the setting is? Sorry if there is a better thread for this i did not see.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mrjay:
hi guys.

i just got my T-mobile G1 today and i seem to have a big problem. the tilt sensor is not working. what can i do to check if it's a hardware issue or software? i updated it to RC30 and tried different versions 1.41 then back to 1.31 and now i'm back on official no root RC30 and still no luck. any ideas? i tried "bubble" and labyrinth from the market and nothing is moving.

thanks
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ncoop23:
Get the Dream or wait?

So I am seriously considering getting the G1 but I don't know if I should wait. My carrier is Verizon right now and I like them but since they cripple phones I would hate to have a crippled android... Its like giving Stephen hawking a lobotomy... Anyone know if I should wait or just go with TMobile and get the G1?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] memphisraynz:
If its something you want and you have the money get it.

The hardware is good and the OS is great.

There will always be a new a better phone every six months. Youl have to make the jump at some stage.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] joehufc:
i am wanting to root but...

... i am in the uk and i want to root my g1 (dream) but i allso want to wait till i get the OTA update of rc9 (rc33) if i do that do you think JF will bring out a modded version of the uk rc9 ( rc33) update?

( cos i dont want to run on the us version)

thanks joe
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mannyb:
I would be very surprised if JF did not release an RC9 version as soon as it's out. We've always been able to count on him before and I am sure he will come through for us once again.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sonikamd:
if nothing else you can always return to the current OEM RC even if you don't get the ota? Or do you have to have your phone ready for their roll out?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bittermormon:
G1 Data with other phones?

I am thinking of picking up a G1 as a 2nd phone. I currently have the $20 total internet plan on my Nokia N95-3. While I understand I might be able to use that, I have a different question.

If I do pony up and get the G1 plan, will i still be able to use my Nokia N95? Anyone out there using the G1 along with another smartphone on the g1 plan? If not this is a deal breaker for me.

TIA
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Meltus:
just out of curiosity, why don't you want to run the US firmware?

i can't see any advantage of running the UK version (except, of course the numbering system :P).
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] spacemonkey333:
I use three phones with the G1 internet plan. So the answer to your question is yes. Actually, T-Mobile has changed their internet packages. It seems that the G1 internet package is now their standard package for all data phones. G1 is just the only one that requires it...
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bittermormon:
Thanks spacemonkey. I am about to take a trip to SoCAl next week and am debating getting a G1 to enjoy all the 3g goodness.