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[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Zeusie:
I'm on T-mobile on the UK and I'm due an upgrade.

I currently have the Vario III (Tytn II) and I'm looking at a variety of phones with different operators, including the G1.

I quite like the HTC Touch HD but T-mobile don't do it in UK and the handset seems quite broad in comparison with the Vario III ( it feels too big in my hand) and I quite like having a dedicated keyboard

I've have had a look at the Touch Pro, which T-mobile have just brought out, but for some reason it just doesnt appeal to me.

Contrary to my better opinion I've had a look at the iphone which has quite an impressive interface, although isnt the 'state of the art' machine far too may people believe it to be. It also has the problems of no dedicated keyboard.

So guys, what I'm looking for is for someone to tell me why I should choose the G1 over any (or all) of the phones I've mentioned above.

Anybody want to convince me the G1 is the phone for me?

TIA
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] spacemonkey333:
You are trying to compare apples to oranges. The G1, iphone & WM phones are all unique in their own way.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Zeusie:
Agreed. Which is why I'm finding it hard to work out which to get. :confused:
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ryanmo5:
What are you looking for out of a phone? What are your favorite features? I have used all 3 and i would pick g1 over any of them.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] oneknight:
Of Magnets, Compasses, and Ultimately Cases

Ok, I have had my G1 for a while and I still carry it around it the slip case it came in. I'd like to hang it on my belt horizontally so a new case is needed.

Now know that the G1 compass is sensitive to magnets(personally tested this one). However will long term exposure ruin the compass? I suspect it is a hall effect device of some kind but I just don't know about long term exposure. Any official word (from HTC or tmobile) or actual experiences. I have searched .... to no avail.

I did see where someone removed the magnets and replaced them with Velcro, however I'd prefer magnets if they don't nuke the compass.

Any comments, suggestions or otherwise...
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] t3mp3st:
NVM fixed my issue :D
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cal3thousand:
Its kinda like the "does it cause cancer" question... we won't know until someone gets it.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tanner2007:
Question On Root Acces

A freind helped me follow the stpes here

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=442480

to gain root acces then after that update something radio or something? eitherways

what happens if i reset to factory default after I root accessed my phone?

is it like it before or is it root access factory default or what?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Dharkaron:
If you do a factory reset now it will return your phone to new condition. All apps installed will be gone, all settings returned to default. However you will still have whatever firmware you installed.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tanner2007:
Sorry If i sound stupid I dont know about what firmware I have I dont know much about this phone stuff but I have

JF rc update and radio update

HARD SPL

and.... I think what else it did to get rooted

if I do the factory default will it be ok to do the WHOLE root access steps agian since I dont know what is still there and what is not and how to do it..I can follow the guide but if I do it all over again

will this be ok?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SolemnWishing:
Do you love your G1? What is special about your G1?

What do you love about your G1? Is there anything special you have done to it, such as your own wallpapers, own themes, widgets, etc? Share them!

Here is some info on mine.

I have a white G1, it is rooted and loaded with JF 1.42 (nothing special in a forum like this lol). On my home screen, I have a total of 7 widgets spread out through all 3 screens. 2 picture frames on each one lined up, and a google search bar on one of them. I also have a wallpaper dock, which though simple, I really like. My phone has auto-rotate for everything. I also have custom boot screens for both splash 1 and splash 2. My splash 1 actually has my address on it followed by "If you are buying this phone, it was stolen!".
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] -RotorDemon-:
This is a good idea. However I wouldn't put my address on it, I would put another contact phone number and an email address. If I stole your phone you should have some other goodies for me to steal at your house. ;)
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AroundTheWorld:
A black G1, JF RC33 1.42 w/ multi-touch, autorotate, and a custom theme drives all my other friends with g1's go insane. Thats simple, yet special enough for me.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SolemnWishing:
LOL that is a very very good point... I should fix that :P
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AsaSpades:
I may be wrong, but doesnt Factory Resetting your phone go back to the default boot screen? Anyway, I love my G1, the best phone I ever owned, just hate the battery.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AroundTheWorld:
If you do a factory default, it won't remove your root access or anything so redoing the process would not do much of a difference.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Binary100100:
Nope! Not for mine anyway. I just had to reset mine a couple of days ago and I thought the same thing. I was surprised to see it was still there. I have 2 different splash screens AND a flashing android boot screen (from the Fade to Blue theme). In fact... since my apps are all saved to ext2 all I needed to do was run the scripts again and resync and everything was back to normal. We're talking less then 15 minutes for a complete reset, all 150 apps restored and all of my data resync'ed. The only thing is that all of the apps still needed to be reconfired individually and still showed up as "free" in market. The only way that I can find to fix that is to reinstall them from market.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Binary100100:
Going from a Tilt to a G1 was the best move I ever did. Plus I love having 3G. I also love making other G1 owners jealous with it. Thanks to Damnitpud's Fade to Blue theme it definitly stands out! So they want to check it out. First thing they notice is the auto rotate, then my apps (over 150) and then I top it off with multi-touch! If by chance they are familiar with Linux... I finish them off with Debian!

Cons:

Battery, no flash, no video recording, no stereo bluetooth.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] riz157:
Should I G1 or not?

Need some advice I'm considering purchasing G1 almost as a backup phone is it a good any good? (currently I'm using the Touch HD) What are the benefits of G1 and will it cause any problems if I unlock it? Also is it superior in anyway to the HD? And importantly how much should I be looking to spend for one in the UK on T-mobile.

Any feedback will be appreciated, many thanks.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] axlastro:
An imortant

I have an unlocked G1, can anyone tell me if I root my phone and update to some of the firmwares posted hete (RC33), is it possibel that my phone becomes locked again? I now have RC19 and the phone is fully unlocked, but I'm afraid it can become locked again if I root it or flash it with another firmware. I have enough technical background to do the rooting and flashing as I have expoerience with windows mobile, but this is something new for me. Btw - i totally love the G1 and regret not leaving windows mobile.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] big_d093:
You should be ok..just root your phone with the rc 7?? or rc 9?? something like that for UK users..
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] randy_c:
My son (11 years old) wanted this phone so I bought one on ebay. Now just find out need a plan $25 to use this phone? He doesn't need internet. All he used for was text and phone call. Can I just buy a unlock code to use it? Or flash with new ROM etc... Please advice
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BolecDST:
Hi, I've read the whole G1 wiki, but I still feel a little confused. I don't even know what RC do I have etc. My phone says:

Firmware version: 1.5 (that's the newest one, afaik)

Baseband version: 62.505.20.17U_2.22.19.26I

Kernel version: 2.6.27-00392-g8312baf

android-build@apa27 #72

Build number: CRB21

What all these numbers mean? You know, I just got my G1, I read as much as I could but everything mixed up and I'm kinda lost. Next step should be rooting if I want to squeeze as much as I can from my G1, right? (everyone's a newbie at some time, but I'm learning very fast, it's just that here's everything new to me, I'm used to symbian).
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] neoobs:
Most of these are just jibberish to the normal users. No need to even care what they mean because the fact is, they are just version numbers. Firmware 1.5 is the newest one. Baseband and Kernel are both normal version numbers with no real meaning (2.6 is newer than 2.5 yada yada) Build Number is just saying what sub version of the Firmware you are using CRB (Cupcake Release Build) 21 is the most up to date right now.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BolecDST:
Okay thanks, I'm going to downgrade and root my G1 today.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rschuman90:
im having a problem, everytime i try to clear my messages from either chompsms or the default messaging problem,i get a force application popup, and im forced to close it or wait, theres no way i can delete my messages, and now im getting fustrated... any help guys? thanks
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] whitecracker:
noob question : can i root my G1 if i have the official cupcake?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] atlp99:
Hands on with G1

I got to use a G1 today(I work for T-mobile) at work for a few hours.

It was well built and responsive. Voice quality was very good. It was as good or better than my dash, better than my wife's blackberry.

The phone feels solid and the screen slider is very solid. The soft touch finish on the back feels good.

The touchscreen was responsive and the phone responded quickly to input.

The data speeds were quick, averaging right around 700kps over 3 speedtests (dslreports.com/mspeed).

The web browser was nice, formatted pages well and loaded quickly, things looked very similar to the pages on the iphone.

Email is great on the Gmail client, push email worked as well as push on blackberry when sending test messages to the phone. This is the best email on a phone I have seen, I have used Windows mobile, blackberry, and played with the iphone.

Android market works very well, easy to find apps. They are sorted by category and searchable. Easy to download and install.

Overall I was impressed.

The things that I did not like,

I don't like the analog clock widget on the home screen. This is a personal taste issue, and the other people at my work liked it. There is no other clock widget available at this time.

When installing an app it does not give you an option to install it to the memory card. On Windows Mobile I install apps that are not used everyday to the memory card and those that are used on a daily basis to the phone memory.

The keyboard is offset the the left of the phone and you have to reach over the controls on the right to use the slide out keyboard. It annoys me since the controls could have been mounted on the slider and not been in the way.

Overall I am impressed with Android as an operating system, and have only minor complaints about the physical device.

Battery life was not great but it was not fully charged and I was using it heavily for about 8 hours.

Ill try to update this, feel free to post any specific questions and ill try to answer them over the next couple of days.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ryanmo5:
Is there any kind of internet sharing on it? Great post man thanks for all the info!!! That sucks about the sd card, why even have one if we cant put apps on there? Thats crazy!
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] walscobry:
google login?

I am not interested in google for anything other than a search, how does one bypass the google login? For example there are kids in our family that do not have, nor do they want a google account, nor do I want them to have a google account or google tracking them or profiling them.

Why has t-mobile and google not been forthcoming with this information, specifically that a google account was a absolute requirement for activating the phone before or at least during pre-sale transaction.

I think I will discuss this with legal professionals further in the morning. You say you work for t-mobile can you get an official response to this issue?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] atlp99:
Continued

There is no internet sharing out of the box, we will have to wait for someone to write an app.

There is no way to bypass the google login. When the phone boots up you have to login or create an account. If you absolutely don't want to set up a google account your only option is to return the phone during the return period.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ryanmo5:
Wow that was quick thanks! I still have dash so its cool will just use it till sharing comes to g1. Are you happy with the case that came with it? What accessories came in the box? Much thanks man for the info!!!
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kidnamedAlbert:
i just got ONE question.

compared to the T-Mobile Wing, how much thinner is it?

EDIT:

i lied. one more. can i use this phone for like 8 hours of continuous music? or will battery be dead?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] RussianSolja:
so you figure a good 12 hours on a full battery charge right? with non stop use... cause when im at work i use my phone alot! almost every where i go i use my phone. :)
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dabs:
I knew I had read something similar, here is an email from AT&T to an iPhone user:

Source

It would be reasonable to assume deutsch telekom will do the same.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] RussianSolja:
can you provide pics of proof that u touched the phone?:D
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] USF NATE:
They were forthcoming with this info. If you watched the press release they specifically said it there. Most informatve articles on the device say specifically that you have to have a gmail account. I think you were just out of the loop on this one. I feel like I saw this somewhere on the site when I ordered mine but I may be crazy. A better question is why you want nothing to do with gmail? It does not get better when it comes to an email client. I have stuck with it since the beta tests and there is no better.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dagentooboy:
my questions are a little more technical... if you have the SDK installed and the phone connected to your PC you should be able to run shell commands through ADB (in the tools dir in the SDK)

can you change the kernel or load modules?

can you use route to change the kernel routing table?

what is in /lib/modules?

what is the output of lsmod?

what is the output of ps aux?

what kernel version are they running?

can you run a 'server' in the background and use a java GUI to control it (I hope this doesn't show off how bad at java I am :)) ?

what is the output of ifconfig with the wifi, bt on and USB connected?

can t-mobile send me a demo unit till I get mine (yeah I know they can't but it doesn't hurt to ask right)?

Thanks for the help...
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GlobalM3:
I have the phone, ask away.

As far as legal action for the gmail account blah blah.... come on dude go find something better to do then try and get a official response on a forum from a "T-Mobile employee"

And no I am not a t-mobile employee so dont ask these type of questions
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GlobalM3:
G1 in hand and using for full time phone (ask away)

I know how I was when I was trying to find information so ask away any questions you may have...

You can tell this phone is not ready for prime time since they are still getting apps up on the market constantly.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] swaney:
wat needs to be wrked on? in general

how do u have it w/o being a t-mobile employee
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GlobalM3:
Lets start with:

Battery Life (yes I played with it like crazy and was lucky to get 5 hours of life on a full battery)

The other issues are due to the fact they are still working on the platform. You get a error connecting to market place as well as sync with google is not working properly.

I imported my outlook contacts and not all the information is in my contacts (like address)

The phone is very very very fast and responsive which is a huge plus.

MP3 outside speaker is not that loud which is not a big deal for me.

MP3 cutter: after you edit a mp3 to use for a ringtone either you cant use it as a ringtone or I cant find the damn file it only gives you what is installed on the phone.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] swaney:
but most of those are gonna be fixed before the official realeas right? so im not gonna wrry and plus there will be updates
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GlobalM3:
Absolutely.

This device has huge potential! And rumor is that a day or 2 after release they will have a update for the phone that will address allot of issues.

Another plus is that the phone feels very solid in your hand unlike a cheap POS
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] swaney:
how did u get it
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] raymondf13:
Guys, I am a T-Mobile employee and I went to the event in New York. Its not surprising for somebody to have the phone right now.

I used to follow the Kaisers ROM development until I sold it. Now I have the G1

I will gladly dump the rom and help this community if somebody told me how to do so.

Reply to this message and please send me a email to raymonf13@gmail.com with instructions on how to do it and I will do it tonight EST after work.

Thanks!
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] haitiankid4lyf:
This directed to GlobalM3 and atlp99 or anyone else who have the phone:

accessories

does it come with a case or pouch and if so is it vertical or horizontal and do you know when tmobile will start selling different cases for it?

i heard that it only uses mini usb for headphones/headsets does it come with one of these or an adapter?

apps

is there an pim app for on screen keyboard yet?

is there a video recording app for it?

file explorer?

to "atlp99" you said that you can not install apps on storage card; do you think it is possible to create an app that copys the install directories to the storage card and just saves a shorcut on the device?

specs:

does it have bt file sharing? i heard it doesnt have a2dp but i havent heard anything about file sharing

thanx in advance
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jimsta85:
Apps running in Background?

Simple question people.

If the "Home" button is held down for 3 seconds, does it bring up a list of applications running in the background or a list of recently used applications?

Thanks
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] neoobs:
recently used for me on the ADP 1.5
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BolecDST:
Yes, I did it.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] surfguy17:
what is "rooting"? and what does it do? also if i root the phone does it mess anything up?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BolecDST:
There are two sticky threads about rooting in the android development section, so why don't you go and take a look at them?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Dantehman:
For referance

Sticky 1

&

Sticky 2

2nd is more a history lesson with lots of good info :D
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] surfguy17:
thanks for the sticky's. new to this site and this phone so still trying to figure the layout n stuff out hehe
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BolecDST:
Is there any other emulator except NES, that is working fine? By fine I mean: it is working at enjoyable speed and emulates sound, there are no problem with controls or whatever else. Thanks in advance for replies.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] darkdata:
Is there anyway to get the G1 to sync with outlook?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] taylorb1:
The short answer is "Yes, my boss figured it out, and that's the only reason he kept the G1"...

The longer answer is that I have no idea how he did it, but now that I have one too, I will need to figure it out asap... I'll come back here once I get it sorted
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fongoid:
As a recent purchaser of a Rogers-branded phone, is there some way (currently) to backup or at least return my phone to stock firmware should anything go wrong? The SPL is DREA21000 (as far as I can tell). Also a little iffy, as it doesn't specify a RC# (I assume since it's HTC's customized stuff), but my build number is "1.85.631.5 146733 CL#33863 release-keys"
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] r_dub:
If im going to root my g1 is there a free backup app i can use?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Elixer:
Yes, search "backup root" and something will come up called "Backup for root users" or something like that. Provides apk, data, apn, sms, etc. backup.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xidominicanoix:
also once rooted and using the proper recovery image, you should be able to do a complete backup with nandroid (do a search in the Dream android development sub-forum)
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TypeSex:
My phone used to be rooted but I put it back to normal to get the OTA cupcake update but still havent received it. My build number is..

kila-user 1.1 PLAT-RC33 126986

ota-rel-keys,release-keys

Should I get the update? Is there another way to get it faster? Also is there any way to delete/uninstall superuser whitelist and terminal emulator?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] candy for breakfast:
download and install one of the many 1.5 roms in the dev forum.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] r_dub:
Alright so apps2sd and partioning my sd card how do i do that?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] engagedtosmile:
Video recording. I want to record some videos and I remember reading somewhere that the default app on the G1 is limited to 10 minutes but not able to test it out at the moment.

Is this true? Anyone know of a way to record longer than this?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nathanjones:
Is there any way to assign 'hard' buttons to FF, Rew, and Pause to control the music player while the phone is closed?

For instance, on many phones holding down the Volume+ button FF's to the next track, while the Vol- button rewinds. I know it doesn't work out-of-the-box, but is it possible with an App? (couldn't find one in the App store, couldn't find an answer while searching the forum, though I may not have searched well)

Just wondering.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cutekidd:
Question: Keep Home in ram

Hi, does anyone know how to make Home stays in ram? I'm getting tire of waiting the Home app to reload when coming back from browser or other ram hog applications. dxTop seems to be able to reserve some space in ram to increase its loading speed, so I guess there should be a way to work around it.

Thanks in advance. :)
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dglowen23:
rooting

Can somebody help me root my phone? I no there has been instructions and stuff but i need a step by step guide on how to do it cuz it jus doesnt make sense and i dont want to take the risk of bricking my phone or sumthin

So if u want to help me my number is 5092634526... but dont call i wont answer to a fone call, or respond to me on gmail- dglowen23@gmail.com
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mohsinkhan47:
i can't use my phone.

I rooted my phone but I can't use my phone. It alway says force close. Does anyone know how to fix this problem????
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] drewno1:
OK

Need more info my friend

what build are you on

what have you done since rooting

what SPL do you have what radio did you install

need more info budd , the more the better
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mohsinkhan47:
My cell phone is jf rooted. Don't know what spl.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mohsinkhan47:
I download other versions to see if they work and themes. I think I should download it all over again right??
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nickryan0612:
Can some make a setting up ADB video so frustrating when trying to install drivers never works for me tryed 3 times and dont wanna risk bricking phone again.