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[Touch Cruise General] kostas244:
Hi and thank you very much for the drivers.

Im searching to test the speed of these drivers so, finding a game "Pocket-Jongg 3D" which is support 3d acceleration.

Without the drivers :1 frame per 2 seconds (grafics good but not playable with that speed)

With the drivers :20-25 frames per second (grafics not good ,maybe texture problems, and not playable because you can't see clear the tiles).

Anyway, again thank you very much!!
[Touch Cruise General] bally3:
Thank you for testing the driver :)

Neos, there are a lot of users asking for these type of tests. While the 2D developments are with the developers, maybe it might be nice to start looking at some 3D programs and see whether we have real-time improvements as shown above?

May also give us some indications as to how much improvement is required to get the driver up to speed so that its useful for real time applications.

Kostas, do you know or can find out how many fps the game you tried should be? A good test would be to test it on a 3D accelerated device. If you can I would love to know the results.

:)
[Touch Cruise General] rparslow:
Hi, trying to make my own rom, not sure how to package in Kitchen any help ?

I tried to put the cab unpackaged with EPC 2.7 into OEM drivers but build fails :(

Can anyone help ??
[Touch Cruise General] NeoS:
I tried some games already, but no success. Maybe someone wants to try this out: http://www.pocketpcmag.com/cms/blogs/3/title_45

It's DooMGLES. You Know, good old DooM, but with GL support. (if you get it running)

Another thing is this: http://www.edgelib.com/index.php?node=showcase_detail&id=35

SCLPC++ 3D. Supposedly uses 3D to render your cube on Touchflo 1.0.

And last but not least, the 3D chopper game, found here: http://htc-windows-mobile.handster.com/software.php?id=453&for=HTC+Windows+Mobile

So you see, you have lots to choose from once you use google search. ;)
[Touch Cruise General] kostas244:
I don't know exactly how many fps should be ,but with the drivers and the 20-25 fps the game runs very smooth.Only the grafics are bad

You can download it and test it from here:http://www.soft32.com/download_166325.html to see for yourself what i mean. It's a demo version
[Touch Cruise General] afham07:
How to make it works?

I just download and run in my cruise. It says installation completed. Then I reboot my cruise.

After it backs up, I didn't any changes. I check in program there is a folder named HTC-CA Drivers. Inside it, there is 5 files, D3D Demo, DLL Checker, etc. Once click on D3D demo, it tries to load a program but suddenly disappears. Tried to run DLL check and getting this error: msm_clk.dll failed with error 193: %1 is not a valid win32 application.

Tried lights and getting this: Could not initialize direct3D. This tutorial will exit. Tried the others and getting error as well.

Rom Version: 1.26.457.1 WWE

Rom Date: 12/14/07

Radio Version: 1.58.21.23

Protocol: 25.65.30.04H

Please help me on how to install. I saw the video on youtube, it is awesome!
[Touch Cruise General] NeoS:
You still have windows mobile 6.0. Update your phone and try again. It will work. ;)
[Touch Cruise General] afham07:
if i upgrade my phone to 6.1, will it delete all the contact, msg, file and software?
[Touch Cruise General] NikMel:
NeoS2007,

For this games we need other dll's.

renaming libgles_cm.dll to libgles_cl.dll will not help.
[Touch Cruise General] VoyagerBG:
Hi,

I played above mentioned Doom with the drivers, but with veri low FPS ~ 4/5.

3D Chopper Fight also was playing fine, but there`s no difference with or without HTC-CA drivers.

I`m with official WM 6.1, HTC-CA polaris drivers and SJ SamsungOmnia driver_D3D.

Greetings
[Touch Cruise General] NeoS:
Don't combine those drivers. Just use the CA driver. The omnia driver doesn't use the Hardware 3D. It's software.
[Touch Cruise General] imfloflo:
I just test Sensory Overload from this site http://www.koushikdutta.com/2008/07/code.html and this Doom version http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=288861

little bit slow but 3D works
[Touch Cruise General] VoyagerBG:
Yes, I now,

but the phone is faster with the Omnia driver. Or may be this is just placebo :))

However, later today if I have some spare time will try to start Doom only with the HTC-CA drivers.
[Touch Cruise General] kostas244:
Ok... i found that game http://rs218.rapidshare.com/files/49333303/3D_mini_jetfight_1.1.zip

Runs perfectly with the 3d drivers .
[Touch Cruise General] NeoS:
Thanks for testing. How smooth did it run? Is it playable?
[Touch Cruise General] secoseco:
Hi

I want to understand, why this problem of 3D driver with the TouchFlo 3D and the power bottom ?

and is there a mollification for 3D driver to solve that ?

thx
[Touch Cruise General] kostas244:
It's perfect...Please try it..I want your opinion in your devises
[Touch Cruise General] NeoS:
wow. It works perfectly. Question remains: does it REALLY use the 3D hardware. It seems like it. Anyone know of a way to test this properly?
[Touch Cruise General] imfloflo:
ask rogro nuskrike maybe thye know how to
[Touch Cruise General] gnick666:
Okay, it's finaly official... the 1.0 Android source is out!!!

maybe there is some good addition to the 3D driver...
[Touch Cruise General] NeoS:
Added CM Rom beta 1.5.3 ITA in post #2.
[Touch Cruise General] nipbruce:
o.O I don't get it

Sorry guys, this might sound totally stupid or that I missed something on the replies. Anyways, I've installed HTC-CA-Polaris successfully. BUT, it came up with errors.

D3D Demo - (it shows up with a white frame around my screen)

DLL Checker: msm_clk.dll failed with error 193: %1 is not a valid Win32 application

Lights (D3D): Could not initialize Direct3D. The tutorial will exit.

Text3D (D3D): The sample has run into an error and needs to close: InvalidDeviceException

Triangle (GL): Triangle is not a valid Pocket PC application.

Thanks if you guys can fix it...
[Touch Cruise General] nipbruce:
btw, thanks to all

almost forgot to thank those pros so we can actually found this great rom.
[Touch Cruise General] NeoS:
Does your Polaris have the requirements to run this driver? (e.g. Windows Mobile 6.1?) It looks like you're running this on 6.0.
[Touch Cruise General] milli260876:
sorry to be an arse, but will this cab run on the stock 6.1 upgrade rom? have looked thru loads of posts no-one seems to say...
[Touch Cruise General] NeoS:
It runs on stock wm 6.1 upgrade, yes.
[Touch Cruise General] milli260876:
thanks i do believe i might give it a whirl then...
[Touch Cruise General] mariosm1cy:
Hi guys i get these errors too

D3D Demo - (it shows up with a white frame around my screen)

DLL Checker: msm_clk.dll failed with error 193: %1 is not a valid Win32 application

Lights (D3D): Could not initialize Direct3D. The tutorial will exit.

Text3D (D3D): The sample has run into an error and needs to close: InvalidDeviceException

Triangle (GL): Triangle is not a valid Pocket PC application.

and I am running udk diamond r8

Thanks for any help
[Touch Cruise General] imfloflo:
It seems that the lastest version of igo 8.3.1 use the 3D driver cause after running it i have the back off bug like on tf3D
[Touch Cruise General] w04g005:
Do you see an improvement in graphics compared to the igo8 8.0.XXX?

My dad installed it on his artemis but there are a lot of bugs he said. For example if you put your speedcam.txt into the folder it gets initialised but then in OPTIONS/WARNINGS you cannot choose the speedcam-warning !!Did you have the same experience?

greetings
[Touch Cruise General] NeoS:
Interesting. So IGO uses some form of OpenGL?
[Touch Cruise General] tcfanboy:
makes me wonder

this really looks like a scam. i mean all these 3D drivers.. blah blah we went a long way. bullpoo. COD 2 is not running. why?!? my magician could do it. at 416mhz.
[Touch Cruise General] NeoS:
I notice you've got it pretty much figured out. That's a good thing, since we need people like you to help us on our quest to better the driver. Since you have a Diamond and some knowledge of how this thing works, i'd like to ask you to keep your eye on the development sticky. It's currently a little low on development, but there's TONS of info on what we did to get the drivers running. Maybe you can benefit from that.

Secondly, i'd like to ask all other people using the drivers to give us your experiences with it. But, again, the driver is made on (and for) Polaris. So any other device runing 3D with this drivers; you're lucky it worked.
[Touch Cruise General] bally3:
... And of course with all the effort you put into finding a solution you have a right to be peeved.

Have you mailed HTC to ask them? This is a unofficial voluntary developers forum thats trying to find solutions without any corporate help. So before writing thoughtless and insulting posts maybe you should think about that.

Sorry folks for the rant.. but its people like him who are responsible for lack of effort on these forums. No-one wants to put free effort into a project if its not appreciated.
[Touch Cruise General] bally3:
iriki thanks for the input.. a very interesting read.. and does answer these 3d game questions which I'm suprised no-one else answered before.

As 3D drivers go, if you cannot accelerate a 3D game then its likely to be seen as not so useful even though it does have many more applications.

The Open CL question is probably the lead we needed to get back to improving the 3D driver. I will re-open the 3D development thread today and maybe we can regenerate interest in improving the driver.

iriki, we would certainly appreciate your assistance in this as you seem to be knowledgeable on this subject :)
[Touch Cruise General] rogro82:
:rolleyes:

Really... guys like you.... go tell you mom you cant play games on your phone or something and stop bothering people...

thinking about just quiting xda and stop the development on here since appreciation is a word you will not see too much in here... a lot of people put effort in these kind of things and the only thing what they get is people demanding stuff...

:rolleyes:
[Touch Cruise General] SuperJMN:
Rogro, Bally, don't pay attention to what those silly people say. They're young rednecks whose only interest in life is playing games and watching TV.

There is huge part of the community that admire your project. I present my respects to you.
[Touch Cruise General] bally3:
Thanks SuperJMN, just to lighten the mood I just found and posted link to a Android G1 rom dump on the android thread:

http://rapidshare.com/files/155612986/Android_dump.rar

Just to keep things interesting! ;)
[Touch Cruise General] tcfanboy:
sorry guys. effort must be seen. there is no pride in washing the kitchen, when your can clean the living room where everyone sees you. i see no effort. want me to do something? well guess what i can only program in pascal, delfi and c++.

As for the drivers.. keep up the good work.
[Touch Cruise General] secoseco:
Hi bally

I want to know did the power off issue with TouchFlo 3D is related to the driver ?

if yes, can you try to fined solution for this issue

thx
[Touch Cruise General] NeoS:
That's a driver issue, yes. The devteam is aware of thi and searching for a solution. We were hoping that the new devices could give some interesting insight, but till now, nothing significant came up.

I'd like to redirect all driver related suggestions and "dev-speak" to the P3D sticky thread from now on. This topic will be used for people running the HTC-CA driver cab.
[Touch Cruise General] secoseco:
thank you Neo
[Touch Cruise General] iRiKi:
i don't fell like feeding a troll, but my magician runs cod2 too. 320x200. un-accelerated software-mode. with jagged, ugly aliased lines :) if you follow the instructions on the Diamond cod2 thread, with a bit of luck you'll see how it'll run beautifully on your polaris :)

well thank you, but unfortunately I'm no coder :) just hate debugging, yuck! tho i have some basic C and shell scripting notions, i never enjoyed coding whatsoever because to me it turns out to be pretty tedious and boring. kudos to all coders btw \o/

I didn't followed the 3D development drivers closely, but i know about the classaction site pressing for 3D drivers release for kaiser and polaris.

I don't know either who were the developers of the Polaris driver, or if they've been leaked or written from scratch. That will help if we want to write a libgles_cl.dll driver.

On some research i did in wikipedia, there's little difference between the CL and CM specifications:

The text in bold means that CM is theoretically fully retro-compatible with CL profile. I had this confirmed today, when for the first time i've managed to run an accelerated 3D CL game with the CM driver:

I found the ChopperFight game in this thread, and tried to run it on the Diamond, but it gave me the "untrusted (..) certificate" error. And like I've unsucessfully done many times in the previous weeks with other 3D games, i copied the libgles_cm.dll to the install folder and renamed it to libgles_cl.dll. But for first time, it worked!! ChopperFight no longer gave me the error, and it ran in fully accelerated 3D mode, with all the bells and whistles.

All other game where i've previously tried this method didn't worked: Tony Hawk Pro Skater 2, Doom GLES, all ran for 1 second and dropped to the shell after the renaming of the libgles_cm to libgles_cl.

What this successful case with ChopperFight gives is that the devs can probably make a CL driver with very few modifications to the current CM code in libgles_cm.dll

btw this isn't the correct thread to follow this discussion, i'll move on to the other thread, thanks again all \o/
[Touch Cruise General] NeoS:
Are there any people out there testing new 3D games / apps with the drivers? :)
[Touch Cruise General] w04g005:
Do you mean new Games/Apps or new drivers (3.18 ddi) ? Which new Games are available?

Maybe i have the time to test COD or the TestPrograms with the new ddi.

Were there any useful parts in the new portege g810 ROM i posted aweek ago?

Especially for the 2d driver development! Or is this project abondened?

greetings
[Touch Cruise General] NeoS:
Just a small update for now:

The driver development is still going on, albeit on a smaller scale. As far as i know the prominent devvers of the team are looking into the newly posted ddi and are trying to see what possibilities lie therein.

Have patience people.
[Touch Cruise General] mykoolspamemail:
Hey everyone

so im new to this whole modding thing

can someone explain to how you install this?
[Touch Cruise General] Bobby.pike:
itje's Touch-IT m2d BETA v3.5 WITH 3D Drivers: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=430438

Contains a trojan.
[Touch Cruise General] maxniper:
??? Where ?
[Touch Cruise General] SaBo:
No it does not.

It's a false positive on CustomRUU.exe

Nothing to worry

Sascha
[Touch Cruise General] Bobby.pike:
Sorry just noticed that after looking further at it. Mybad!
[Touch Cruise General] igoivo:
May be it was evident for the experiensed developers, but for ordinary users like me:

Warning:

PSP driver for Polaris (HTC-CA-Polaris-Drivers.cab, see the 1st post) does not work with the official HTC WM6.1 ROM (3.13.405.0 WWE)

In particular, in my case, the installation resulted in multiple crashes of both the system and 3rd party products. Anyway, 2D benchmark (movies) was the same.
[Touch Cruise General] Henry_Lee:
HEEEELP. 3D driver briked my device. :(

WTF??? :mad:

I've install this driver on the BePe 0.67 ROM and for first time all was normal, but now I don't do anything with my Cruise. :(

Device work with GSM, but don't get any reaction on touch screen.

How I can deinstall this f... driver??? If I will can see my device over USB - which files I must delete or modify? Any else I can do for fix this bug?
[Touch Cruise General] bally3:
Not had many complaints about "semi bricking" of a Polaris from installing the driver. The cab file also does not contain the ddi file as it uses the one thats on the device. Its been tested with numerous roms and even the stock rom without any issues.

You mention the touch screen not working, have you changed the touch.dll file recently?

Sorry for your experience, but I doubt the 3d driver was responsible .. even though we posted many warnings for its use which were seemingly ignored.
[Touch Cruise General] cr1960:
Henry, I see in another post you were having problems with your camera and switched to c_shekhar rom. That rom already contains 3d drivers (were cooked in). Maybe try to reflash/hard reset and see whether the problem goes away?

Like Bally3 says, many people now have these drivers and I haven't seen many (any?) posts where the drivers have caused the problem you describe.
[Touch Cruise General] timmymarsh:
I installed the drivers when the original 6.1 WWE was finally realeased (HTC:mad:). All seemed well for a while. However my TCruise seems to randomly turn itself off without explanation or apparant cause. 2 Scenarios:

for example, last night my device was fully charged at 12am, woke up this morning battery was at 12%. Nothing is running, all wireless comms were off, S2u2 was also off (i know there are drain issues with it) it had turned itself off.

Even when my device is fully charged during the day it will randomly turn itself off with out warning??? Sometimes with s2u2 running sometimes not running (it is not set to run at boot) THe only thing i can think of is that its the 3d drivers but would appreciate your comments:confused:

I assume it is safe to unistall them, although i did read many moons ago that the registry changes would need reversing and that someone was going to make a cab to do so? either that or it might be a hreset time:(
[Touch Cruise General] NeoS:
I doubt this is because of the driver. I had it running for over 3 months and i haven't had any drainage problems with it. also, we had an extensive testing team, which had a few issues with a different version of ddi.dll, but that wss about it. i do however remember having the same issue, but with the weather being automatically updated. it made 3G connections everytime, and after shutting that off my problem was gone.
[Touch Cruise General] timmymarsh:
Thanks Neo for your wisdom, i will leave the drivers on. Im not sure this is the case for me, as sometimes it will soft reset when 3g is not activated.

Many thanks for yours and the teams hard work on the 3d & 2d project:D
[Touch Cruise General] NeoS:
What rom are you currently running? I run M-amine's 2.0 on my Polaris. It fits my needs best and has our driver built in. Might that be a consideration?
[Touch Cruise General] timmymarsh:
Neo im using original 6.1wwe at the moment as i need the stabilty for work. My prophet is my toy until i get my Touch HD in March, then my polairs will be flashed asap:D
[Touch Cruise General] 6gex:
test on french 6.1 sfr rom

hello and thanks for your hard work

I ve installed the cab to test the driver on my french polaris.

It seems working well (no error yet) the light test is ok, the dll check also)

But I do not notice any improvement yet.

I made a test with the demo of tomtom ans I see no change, its still not running smooth.

Maybe it is normal since I 'm not sure if tomtom use the driver or not.

anyhow, It 's cool having some brain out there that are able to to take care about something that HTC do not care.

:)
[Touch Cruise General] ricca91:
one question: is this project dead like the one on 2d drivers?
[Touch Cruise General] bally3:
The 3D driver only needs refinement unlike the 2D driver, which may be concluded when the CL/CM issue is sorted to enable more real-time improvements like gaming performance. As it stands there are practical uses for it and the driver is built into almost every rom. There are also further potentials for it if TF3D interface is ever finished as it will only work with the driver.
[Touch Cruise General] NeoS:
Currently, I sold my Polaris. :(

But! I'm still working on this, using my Blackstone. The Blackstone suffers the same problem (it uses the microsoft reference driver out-of-the-box) but seems to be able to run SOME 3D. That's weird and that's what i'm looking at. Maybe there's something that can be used from the Blackstone.
[Touch Cruise General] bally3:
We pulled the Blackstone rom apart a while back and could not use it as it is a different chipset to the polaris. That said we did find that there were compatible files that could be used.

Neos, try the two ddi trick on the Blackstone with either 3,28 or 3.13 (whichever matches the Blackstone chipset) and run some tests to see if you see any improvements. Also cross check the same with the g810 ddi and see which one shows improvements best (but only use the two ddi method or you'll be hard resetting again!).

Have you tried the omnio driver on yours?
[Touch Cruise General] ricca91:
well, that's good news!! Thanks for your work!
[Touch Cruise General] NeoS:
Not yet. I'm trying to create a ROM for myself first, so if i have to hard reset i won't have to install all that other stuff like i had with the Polaris.

After i got that done, my days of tinkering will begin! :)
[Touch Cruise General] xdadeverik:
Amazing graphics. It would really make my phone impressive again. If it gets a little more stable I will give it a try because these 3D effects really rock!

XDA-Developers are doing a way better job than the OEMs. Congratulations for that!

( I had expected no less than that the community can outperform companies ;) )
[Touch Cruise General] HorNet505:
you guys rock.

I am just stunned that there are people out there who love the HTC so much that they really dig in the problems and try to get the best out of it.

Thumbs up!
[Touch Cruise General] donchen:
Ok.. i think i am missing something here...

So the 3D Drivers are released and I also saw the youtube videos...

So which rom actually has the 3D capabilities? All the Roms i flash has only the 2D ones...
[Touch Cruise General] bally3:
Unless specifically listed in the rom description by the rom cook, its hard to tell without looking for the specific files or the registry entries . Its less than 600kb the entire cab file so installing it over an existing driver wont hurt it whatsoever if you're not sure.
[Touch Cruise General] donchen:
Does having the 3D Drivers means that i can have those 3D Effects of the TouchFlo ?
[Touch Cruise General] Lord Meshadieme:
Can someone tell me if this is an upgrade from the official WM6.1 update from htc's website, because from what i think they did try to fix the issue, not sure where i read it though.
[Touch Cruise General] dab512:
Toshiba portege g810 has msm7200 chipset. Can this driver improove perfomance?

Can toshiba g810 users hope, on driver for our devices?
[Touch Cruise General] pdamio:
I can not understand that you'd like to at Polaris earned 3D
[Touch Cruise General] NeoS:
Ye, with this driver you CAN run Touchflo 3D. BUT! The driver in combination with Touchflo3D creates a bug when the device wants to go into sleep mode. The screen starts to turn on and off, and then turns of and doesn't come on again. This bug still needs to get fixed.

However, I haven't got a Polaris anymore, so I can't test with a newer version of Manila. :S
[Touch Cruise General] whitealien:
I thought that development on TF3D QVGA was stoped. There are no new versions.

Also recently I tried to install TF3D on Amines ROM and found it a little slow. Maybe because its not cooked in. Also I tried different solutions for proposed for sleep bug, but found nothing really good enough so I could use for every day. So maybe I'll buy HTC Dimond 2 or iPhone, lol
[Touch Cruise General] xgbc:
very nice, thank you very much for your hard work
[Touch Cruise General] ikke008:
Is there already a rom with these drivers?
[Touch Cruise General] ITAYBL2:
some of pcarvalho eXtreme ROM's. jest look for the 3d. i am using the pcarvalho eXtreme (3.3D.WM65X) ROM 3.19 R0 Release (85MB RAM) [28014] (3D) and it is very good.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=506043
[Touch Cruise General] kahyang78:
3D driver for Polaris Touch Cruise

Hi,

May I know, if after install this driver into phone, if I don't want it, can it be remove from Uninstall program?

Thanks.
[Touch Cruise General] justhyno:
polaris 3d driver

thiis driver not works on my htc kaiser tynti II (P4550)