yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] corepda:
Seriously speaking I hardly found any difference with both of them. I like to change My device OS so that was probably the reason.Anway My vote with both of them.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] peto01:
battery life is same in 6.0 for me. gps is much much more faster in 6.0. so i vote for going back.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] vcespon:
My feedback about WM 6.1

- No cleartype in landscape mode

- Those 15 MB extra RAM used, other PDAs with WM 6.1 and 128 MB of RAM have more free. I do not see a big speed improvement due to that. I do not like seeing only 20 MB free while running Opera and Tomeraider for example.

- All WM 6.1 radios for some reason have problems connecting to my router, must set the power to the max even when at a few cm.

- QuickGPS data is NOT being used by any (including official) WM 6.1 ROM. I got tired of trying buggy ROMs and went back to WM 6.0. When you start GPS in a program, GPS satellite locations on the sky appear inmediatly, and GPS lock is obtained in 5 -7 seconds. I never, never, got that with any WM 6.1 radio. Stop GPS, start again, fix instantaneous.

- Battery life is not worse than with many radios, check power consumption in Homescreen Plus plus. Also chequed while running Navizon for example (phone, GPS and WiFi on), not different than what I have seen in the last months.

- Once I installed all my usual programs, I cannot see any difference between WM 6.0 and 6.1. And I do not like threaded SMS very much, I cannot delete individual messages, just the entire log for that person.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] bronx:
I will not give it a go, as I am very happy with official wm 6 wwe. can't see the point of using cooked roms. they are not really faster than well tweaked officials.

but... yeah. in general I do prefer 6 over 6.1

br

bro
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] mbarvian:
I appreciate the feedback I'm receiving on this

I am further investigating how I can make WM6 the absolute best it can be, we'll see how it goes ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Nylo:
The only reason I would go back is to be able to send emails. Seems this issue has been documented as an official MS bug which Billy G says they are working on. Problem is MS seems to drag their butts, so no telling when a update (WM6.1.4) will appear.

I never has this problem with WM6.0.

http://www.tracyandmatt.co.uk/blogs/index.php/2008/09/18/windows-mobile-6-1-smtp-issues
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] kristoff_sz:
Mbarvian,

I'm telling you. 6.0 "roxorz" ;).

I've just reverted back from HyperDragon to Schaps 4.31. This ROM is fantastic. I don't mean that SJ ROMs are bad, because that's not true. I just telling that 6.0 is much better for me.

No screen align problem ;)

No problems with cleartype in landscape,

Opened and the closed menu start don't cause lag,

Everything works just perfect,

Battery life is similar,

Signal and reception is similar,

Speed man! SPEED!

I don't really like threaded SMS, I can't manage my messages in good way.

I'd love to get the faster startup - and the it would be perfect os.

I definately vote for 6.0!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] kaalgoosy:
Shaps 4.30 wm6 has been my ***** from the first day I got the kaiser, it's an awesome rom and everything works (htc equalizer produces some awesome playback sound rivalling even the ipod). That's what a pda is supposed to do, especially for those of us that use it for work purposes. I must have tried at least a bakers dozen 6.1 roms out there, and came back to shaps wm6 every time, not because the familiar was more comfortable, but because there were too many disconnects with 6.1. Finally broke down and tried Garmins 4.2 and there's no goin' back to wm6. Battery life is a huge plus, gps connects just as quickly if not faster, emails get pushed quicker, it's the detailed settings options that are present in wm6.1 that are refreshingly welcome. It's good to move forward even though there might be bugs and roadblocks; but that's why we have xda. My edge and 3g just became slow as ****...bring on the wm6 roms!!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] slovoflud:
i just flashed Shaps 4.30, after reading this thread. I'll stick with it for a couple of days... see how it behaves.. :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] tabashir:
As posted in the 6.0 v 6.1 thread I last started, I think there are many benefits to 6.0 that 6.1 does not have. I did not notice any major difference in battery life (I use a 2700mh battery though)

The only real downside posted was lack of 3d drivers in 6.0. The speed of 6.0 to 6.1 seems to make up for this in daily use as a PDA/Phone which is my use for it. Bootup speed was posted as worse in 6.0 but to me is not really important unless you spend your life rebooting.

I also found that I had more problems running android on the old 6.0 roms, but hopefully there may be a full android port at some point :)

I'd welcome a new 6.0 rom.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] slovoflud:
Threaded SMS

---should have done a search first---

:)

P.S. Loving 6.0 so far - had only one problem with launching iGo - probably need the older executable...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] pkley:
I'm giving serious thought to going back to WM6. I don't need 3d drivers, I need 2d drivers and they aren't out yet...

I REALLY like threaded texting, please include it...

WM6 had INCREDIBLY faster GPS response. Don't know about 3G and HSDPA speeds because they didn't flip the switch here until about a month ago.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] the_passenger:
I really dont see any benefit of installing the 3d drivers into the Kaiser. Video and menu operation do not use 3d accelleration. What we really need is the 2D driver. I doubt that we'll ever see that day. Give it another few months and the Kaiser would be left forgotten since HTC is pumping out the Touch Pro and its variants left and right.

I think my built based on the lastest WM6 is pretty solid, that's why I stick with it for a long time. I remember Dutty said before he moved to the Diamond's forum that WM6.1 sucks. There is nothing in WM6.1 can do that WM6.0 can't. (Threaded SMS can be installed in WM6 too)

It seems to me that all the cooks have moved on to WM6.1 and most people are thinking newer is better, until now.

Have fun with your build, mbarvian.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Flying Kiwi:
WM 6.0 far superior to WM 6.1

As per the subject line, at least with regards to the official HTC implementation on a HTC branded TyTN II.

Both lasted about the same in terms of battery use (only one day listening to mp3s on my commute and charge overnight) but 6.0 is just more solid and the GPS works far, far more effectively. HTC will really have to pull a rabit out of the hat to get me to try another WM 6.1 ROM!

I'm normally the one who uses the latest, soonest but after downloading and installing their 6.1 update 2 days after it became available, after a couple of months being fed up with it, having my phone reverted to WM 6.0 by HTC, I can say the latest isn't always the greatest. I've learnt the lesson.

PS where is the poll so we can vote?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] JC6:
I absolutely would support a further optimised WM6 ROM, preferably one which is as clean as possible. I have tried many WM6.1 ROMs and am preparing to return to Schapps 4.31. So far the only thing I found in favour of 6.1 was the snappier screen redraw with the screen orientation change. Other than this I just got fed up with lock-ups and bugs (even with a very minimal software install). Akadonny's SupaClean ROMs were the best 6.1 examples I tried, but sadly now I am experiencing problems with these after a couple of weeks of relatively stable use and it's a case of the straw which broke the camel's back :(

This is no reflection on the ROM cookers, whose efforts I appreciate immensely. Microsoft seem to miss the point that it's all very well having a super-capable phone, but not at the expense of sluggishness, lock-ups and poor stability in its basic operation - these problems being one of the reasons the whole ROM customisation "industry" exists as we search for a solution. I suppose "stability" doesn't look very exciting on a magazine advert for a new handset.

What I would love is a phone that does exactly what my Kaiser does, but at the speed of my old Nokia 6310i (i.e. everything was instant). I'd almost rather further technology advances were used to improve the speed and stability of current offerings rather than adding new resource hungry features (although I must admit a VGA screen seems attractive). My Kaiser sometimes has a hard time keeping up with the rate at which I type an SMS just after a clean reinstall, and I'm baaaad at typing. Ridiculous.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] thomassster:
When WM6.1 came out, I didn't notice much difference from 6.0 to 6.1 except for threaded and no cleartype on landscape. These are only minor things and I got so use to the threaded sms. My advice Mbvarian, if you like the 6.0, cook it. Something about having a WM6.1 for me personally feels a lot less buggy, but its only my perception.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] schizo:
The only certain conclusion on this thread is one: Schaps was indeed a great chef! I too, once in a while, revert to his masterpiece: Schaps 4.30, whenever I'm being romantical. Even my Hermes saw Schaps 4.31 once in a while too. LoL.

If only the cooked apps is updated, i will certainly use WM6. The last cooked WM6 Rom I saw was built 8 months ago, yikes!

So, Go, MBarvian, Go!

If you are successful in your endeavor, then my pattern of flashing may change so that once in a while i will "revert to the future". Can't wait for that!

Cheers!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] -888-:
so true :)

This is the most stable ROM I have ever played with IMHO.

But I don't think its 'greatness' has much to do with older versions.

I think it is so because HTC coders paid much more attention to everything Kaiser related back then (from drivers to compatibility with WinMo) because at that time Kaiser simply was their main and top product.

Once the product shifts to "support-only phase" it is being shunned to lesser importance and maybe other (less-knowledgeable) development teams. It happens in every company and with every product, its just life...

The most talented HTC coders probably are working now on a TYTN III beta model... ;)

Also the base for that ROM was very stable itself, wasn't it?

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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] whistler4ever:
MB, I trust ur judgement, and if it gives good battery life, thats good enough for me! I would use it!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] wingman_214:
what about making a hybrid rom with a 6.0 core and updating it with the 6.1 video and battery drivers, and updating some of the packages to the 6.1 versions.

i recommend you use q-mobile 1.2 att as a base. its the rom i still use today. and he gave a download link for all files to recook his rom.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] max621:
My vote is for WM 6.0

On the following reasons...

Better GPS fix

Far more responsive

No freezing

More Memory...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] korakesion:
Wm6

After all bad experience wm 6.1 with cooked and shipped Roms even they are latest builds roms,I vote for Wm 6.

If somebody cook a wm6 rom with wm6.1 future,definitely will be my rom untill my tilt die.

I think to post this is maybe not right place,but I don't wanna open a thread for this.

I am looking this rom,[Feb 14] New AT&T Rom 1.62 without bloatware,it was a link before in the thread now removed.I had it in my computer but when damage hard disc all files lost it.

If somebody have it or know a link, I will be greatfull for your effort.

Thanks alot and sorry for hijacking..
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] b3nnyb0y:
I would be willing to try out a wm6 rom as well m8. using duttys rom atm and although i like it a lot it still freezes sometimes.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Gator5000e:
I hate to admit it but I am still running Alex's 5.2 ROM. I have been tempted to move to 6.1 many times, especially the cool looking Manilla ROMs, but 5.2 has worked so well that I could not make myself do it. An optimized or whatever 6.0 would definitely grab my attention.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] bigstick:
This is a really interesting thread. Thanks a lot guys, I'm using sleuth's v1.0 WM6.0 ROM and although it's better than the standard Orange POS it's still sloooow. I was planning to update to WM6.1 but having read this thread, I'm going to stick with V6.0. I really need a faster OS, but I really don't have the time to play around with bugs.

I use rltoday with a nice custom skin, Tomtom, the HTC music player and that's about it. To be honest I actually hate Windows mobile as an OS for my phone. Sure it can do almost anything, as long as you don't mind using the stylus, or waiting. I don't like either.

If you can cook a better ROM, I would definitely use it. In the meantime, what is the consensus on the best ROM to use? Everyone seems to like Schaps ROMs.

My requirements are modest, few features, decent battery life, stability and most of all, speed! There is no point in having all this cool technology if it's unresponsive and a pain to use.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Bruce Inman:
I would like to see some further development on 6.0, using some of 6.1 improved functionality.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] mcmexican:
Your not done yet??? Just kidding looking forward to see if you come up with something. If you want anyone to test it out let me know.

-McMex
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] twinklesam123:
wm6

Im in for wm6! lets make the best performance wm6!:) since i feel that its more stable...i agree
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] mbarvian:
lol. Don't worry man, I'm working diligently on it right now ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] rafael23rosas:
SMS & MMS chat view

I think the chat view for the messaging is awesome I used to have a palm treo about 9 months ago and the one thing and only thing I like about it was the chat style txt messaging... WM6.1 is definitely the way to go...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] mxb:
WM6

So far i'm in for WM6. I have tried most of the WM6.1 kaiser roms on this site and haven't been satisfied at all. Some are laggy, some are great looking and laggy. On some not all the programs work well. GPS hasn't been this speedy in none of the 6.1 builds, not even the original 6.1. I'm using Sleuth 1.2 WM6 and works as expected. All the programs that i use work. GPS is found quickly. GSM signal is stable. As for the battery, i don't belive WM6.1 it's better. I have seen no changes from most of the wm6.1 to my 6.0. When i say most it's because the others not included drain battery faster :).
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] tabashir:
Can't wait for mbarvian's new image!

However, in the meantime I thought I'd give Schaps 4.31 a try since the 6.0 fans on here seem to like it. I'd missed it as I came late to the kaiser scene and Schaps is not on the list of ROMS on the wiki (I have not edited the wiki to add him as I assume that somebody as well known as him not on the wiki is probably for a reason?) so I missed those roms.

Looks like a nice ROM, but screen rotate did not seem as snappy and I had a few issues with mortplayer crashing so have gone back to my previous 6.0 which is Blackwood by gthing. Fast, stable, good battery life and not overloaded with loads of apps. Anyone looking for a 6.0 ROM, you could do a lot worse than giving Blackwood a flash!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] mbarvian:
AHHH! gthing stole my complete theme (i was going for the wood theme, except a little bit different)

anyway i would just like to say THANK YOU to all the people who have offered their intelligent responses (havent seen any stupid ones) and support. Hopefully youll be pleased with my next rom :)

thank you again, and please keep the responses coming

max
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] kaalgoosy:
Schaps Wm6 4.30, you make Everything work, you sexy gilf. Two weeks in with Garmins absolutely gorgeous touchflo 2d rom and the gps in 6.1 or touchflo2d remains a huge ***** connecting as well as game emulators like pocketnes and snes are a no go. Migrated to hyperdragons' latest and emulators work just fine yet the gps connecting yeilds the same beard growing results and I wonder why this issue with wm 6.1 and gps hasn't been figured out yet. A Wm 6.0 touchflo2d emedded rom is very much welcomed!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] korakesion:
I am using Schaps Wm6 4.30,since 3 day.this rom is amazing with radio 1.27.15.32.Everything but everything work.since that I flash,digging and digging to find a bug,there is no any.Only one thing, from 7.30 morning to 10.30 morning battery went 10% down half hour wifi web browsing and some phone call.

Rest a amazing masterpiece.

Definitely Wm6 much better than bugy Wm6.1

regards
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] edbutler:
Ok I have used your Roms and You make a good point, Most people want the latest and the greatest but with Windows mobile software that is not always true, Yes I like threaded SMS and that is whay I jumped to 6.1 but if I could have that with the more stable 6.0 I would, I wouldn't care if I had a 5.0 base if it did everything I wanted. My problem with going back is I am Hooked on Manila2d with all it's little quirks and I am not sure if you can get that to work on 6.0 but if you can I will be there to Beta for you! Just let me know if there is anything I can do to help!

Ed...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] kaalgoosy:
Wm 6.1 just like Vista...

Touchflo2d is totally possible with 6.0 as i've been running the cab list on schaps 4.30 (as I am also addicted like a crackhead to touchflo2d) with no problem besides the conflict with htc home leading to a few glitches and having to install several cabs for fixes. A pure touchflo2d rom for 6.0 would fix every problem and lead to alot of happy faces!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] mbarvian:
i agree completely. for practical reasons, i cannot see why some people even stopped using wm6 as a base. in all aspects it seems to be a 'final version' to me, apart from 6.1 which feels sort of like a BETA version.

as you said, manila2d works the exact same on wm6 as it does on wm6.1. i do plan on releasing a solace wm6 variant, for those willing to try it out. ive been porting some builds and have finally come to a great combination, which is both very speedy, very stable, and very bug-free (i have always missed cleartype in landscape :))

thank you for your suggestions guys and please keep them coming

max
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Tna:
One thing that would really make a difference is the graphics related dlls. In my opinion wm6.1 have a comparative advantage in that sector. But As many have mentioned before, wm6 were more solid and bug-free
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] mcmexican:
Does that mean it will have threaded SMS with wm6.0? It is the only reason that keeps me on wm6.1.

-McMex
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] mbarvian:
yes sir ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] joninthout:
WM 6.0 Tester...

Very interested in your solace WM6.0 version. I would love to test if you need another tester... :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] mbarvian:
yeah man

I'm working on the base right now, messing with some things. I'll send you it if you're interested ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] joninthout:
Send it on bro. I'll be happy to.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] KMFM$:
I'd be interested in seeing this as well. The only thing that really got me was the speed issue (screen drawing). With CE OS 20755, the speed is right where I think it should be. Though, as commented by others, I also feel that WM6.1 is a beta. I'm curious to your base. I can't wait. :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] wingman_214:
send it to me as well i sure beta test it for you.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] kaalgoosy:
Of course I'd also like to check out your variant, judging by your very nice 6.1 iteration of touchflo2d, really can't wait for this! I still can't believe this hasn't been done yet, you'll be the Christopher Colombus of rom building
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] bigstick:
Just checking on progress, and to make sure the thread is bumped up to the front page. We can't have all the focus on the slow, bloated v6.1 ROMs can we ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] mcmexican:
Sounds good when your ready let me know and I will put it through the ringer for you.

-McMex
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] slovoflud:
any progress guys?

i've tried all the latest 6.1 ROMs and downloading Schaps 6.0 now...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] mcmexican:
I know your busy with v1.5 but hoping that mbarvian 1.0 wm6 happens.

-McMex
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] vcespon:
Hi, I have stopped flashing WM 6.1 ROMs and gone back to the originsl WM 6.0. Please do not forget to include Adobe PDF reader 2.5, camera 5.04 and maybe Opera 9.5 on your ROM.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] korakesion:
mbarvian,

Any happy news about WM6 rom that you cooking.

Thanks for your work.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] scorpioo42:
Hope you'll bake the rom in Dutch too.

I am searching for a good wm 6 rom since the 6.1 gives some trouble here too.

I can't send mail with smtp .:(

All this worked fine in WM6.

So a big YES if you can bake a nice ..swift..speedy..DUTCH ..wm6 rom with a nice skin.

So I'll keep comming to this forum to check if you did it ;)

Been searching and searching ...please help...anyone can give me (a link) a stable wm6 DUTCH rom??

pref..with some screenshots?

Thnx
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] mindfrost82:
I would also be interested in trying out a WM6 ROM. Its been a while since I've used one, and the only thing I really like in 6.1 is the Threaded Messaging, since you would include that, I would love to try it out.

Manilla2D would be good too, although I really hope they make a good landscape version of that soon. I hate the way the screen looks when I have my keyboard pulled out on the homescreen.

If you released a version with just HTC Home and one with Manilla2D, I would have a lot of debating to do on which version to try, but I would definitely give it a shot.

Good luck!!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] bigstick:
Been a while since we heard anything from mbarvian - any news yet?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] mata_mosca:
I'm very sorry guys,

Due to issues I would rather not explain, I am no longer cooking any ROMs. I will continue to update KaiserChef and others, but there will be no more development for Solace or DiamondMedia. I will also be glad to help anyone who needs it.

I am very sorry, and I want you to know that this might be temporary, but will probably be a permanent thing.

Thank you for your support, and all that this site has taught me.

-Mbarvian :(
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] cboy007:
are you still cooking ROMS? I thought you said you would no longer cook them...