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[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] benjimen:
It isn't something you actually 'use' -- if the carrier offers it, and the device has it, it's transparent -- you just get near instant satellite fixes. When you say 'I have used it on many other phones'... what do you mean (how is it you used AGPS and not just GPS)? I'm not disagreeing necessarily, I'm just not sure you know what AGPS is, and maybe you're just thinking of GPS?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] atlp99:
battery testing

Today I will have all day of use starting on a full battery. My usual calling, email, texting, plus showing the phone to customers that ask about it.

The battery was 100% full from charging all night at 11:30. I'll post tonight with the results.

P.S. auto correct definately does not catch mis-spelled words as you go along.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Dirtay:
Battery warranty

FYI people the battery itself only has a 90 day warranty and they will send you a battery and you dont have to send the previous one back. Im not saying to lie but take what you want from it.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Dirtay:
gps limitations

GPS locators need an almost direct link to the satallites in order to get a fix so say if you are in a building with things like ceilings it will block the signal.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GlobalM3:
a-gps: uses towers and sometimes your wifi connection to find your location. It is triangular based and is the same technology that is used in the new E-911.

My Diamond pro could never lock on a satelite but it could tell me approx were I was at instantly by my wireless signal. Even if I was in a metal box just as long as I had a signal it told me my triangular location. This is A-GPS.

How A-GPS assist GPS is that it helps to find the approx location and load the data in that are and then ask the GPS were exactly you are.

This is a very non technical explanation but im sure you will understand.

As far as the spell check goes. I have had it on the whole time and it never works
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gospeed.racer:
Exactly the same experience I had with my first MDA, they send a new one and ask you to toss the old one. :rolleyes:
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] benjimen:
Not exactly -- the cell towers are equipped, or connected to something equipped, with GPS receivers that always know where the satellites are. They communicate this to AGPS equipped devices to reduce the amount of time the device takes to find them on it's own. What is unclear is whether T-Mobile has the GPS receivers in place and is using them to transmit satellite locations to AGPS devices on it's network.

For a much more detailed explanation: http://wmexperts.com/articles/gps_vs_agps_a_quick_tutorial.html
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] atlp99:
Battery life

Battery life may be the one thing that keeps me from buying the G1.

Today I started with a full charge straight off the charger at 11:30 by 7:00 it was down to 22%.

This is with the screen brightness at the default level which is about 1/3 from the dimmest setting. 3G turned on, WiFi off, GPS off, data syncing on, bluetooth off.

Usage was moderate texting, and internet browsing, gaming, and calling. There was not alot going on today.

In contrast on a day like today my dash would usually have about 60% charge remaining.

There are days where I easily could double today's usage.

If you are a heavy user, I don't see any way to make it a full day on one charge without turning off 3G.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] syrusfrost:
I see an extended battery in this phone's future. Also some of the background functions MUST be eating up standby time on your phone... I suspect the update when android goes 1.0 will fix a bit of this.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] atlp99:
Software version

The phone I have been using is running version 1.0 of Android. This is a release version of the phone that is the store demo. I hope that it will improve with a software update or the release of some type of file manager. If there was a way to see and kill running processes then it could improve battery life.

Overall I am very impressed with the phone, I am pretty picky with my phones and the only things that I don't like are the battery life and having to reach over the controls to use the keyboard. I can deal with the keyboard, but the battery life could be a deal breaker for me.

All of my other wishes could be fixed with software; on screen keyboard, weather widget, different clock, file manager.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Biohazard827:
Played with G1 today!

I got to play with the G1 today at my local T-Mo store!

Although I only spent about 5 min. with it I was impressed. It is thinner than my Wing which is a huge plus because I wear my phone on my belt and the Wing seems to get in the way sometimes. The screen looks awsome and Android is pretty smooth. Google streetview seems like it will lose its awsomeness after you show everyone you know.

This was also my first exp. with the 3G service in my area (Houston) it was night and day compared to the horrible EDGE speeds I usually get. Now I can be productive with the internet on my phone not just use it because I'm bored.

8 days and counting until I get mine!
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mingkee:
I have to find out which bt profile it has

if it has DUN, it's set

if not...
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sodenrox:
i wanna know if we are going to be able to install wm6.1 on it... i just ordered mine today and i'm not to excited about the linux platform
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] briggs81:
sorry, let me get this straight. you ordered the google phone but don't want to use the google os, you want to put windows on it? and you already have a kaiser? what are you expecting from this phone then? just the different siding keyboard?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sodenrox:
briggs

i want a faster phone... with the gsensor... my kaiser is a year old time to upgrade? do you know if we are going to be able to flash to a wm rom?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] benjimen:
I think the G1 is great because it's Android -- I'm not sure why anyone would get one to flash WM to it. While it has the gsensor, WM itself doesn't have a generic 'hook' to utilize it. Drivers for these are created by the hardware manufacturer. Capacitive screens won't work with a stylus, period. While you might be able to do some stuff without one, you're eventually going to need one. Forget handwriting recognition and ink notes.

If you want WM, do yourself a favor and get a WM device :rolleyes:
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] statixchaos:
i second sodenrox question. i understand its a google phone linux format. and I as well have a kaiser. but what if i wanted to sell my kaiser or lost it would still be nice to know if its possible to switch OS. and as of right now i dont really see the G1 being big in the business field base on microsoft exchange unavailable(im sure there will eventually be a fix/app for it). And personally i dont really like the feel of the android OS (i understand it does take some time to get use to). Also i have certain programs (some that was bought) that is only available on WM, it would be nice to be able to switch to a different OS if i wanted to; rather than waiting for an app to be created or buying the app all over again.

i dont think there is a problem with wanting WM on this phone its the users choice. If its possible then good if not then.. whatever.. haha :D
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] benjimen:
Oh well... sorry, it's not possible.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] afbcamaro:
Not possible!!! LOL
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] surur:
Yet...

Surur
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cr2:
Hahaha. Good luck adapting wince binary dlls to a different amss api :)
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dagentooboy:
Because it's an HTC phone I would imagine that windows mobile will kind of work some day. Because the phone is already Linux I don't see much motivation from developers because most (not all) developers like the open platform that Linux and Android provides. (now I am going to show my Gentoo roots) If you want windows mobile on your G1 that is up to you but I think you and a few others are going to have to do most of the work. If we get a grub-like bootloader I could see a dual-boot option being nice (esp if a tether app takes a long time to get here) but without the majority of the community supporting it I don't think all the drivers will ever work (unless HTC decides to make a Dream Jr with windows mobile)... look at the tilt video drivers... it takes a lot of people a long time to make drivers when they don't have detailed information about the hardware (with an open source kernel it might be easier)

just my $0.02
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] benjimen:
This is more of a users forum, you might want to stop by the corresponding development forum and grace them with your knowledge ;)
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dagentooboy:
I was trying to make it clear why people are saying that windows on the G1 won't happen... hopefully it gives some better reasons then not possible. Don't worry once I get my G1 I will be hacking for the XDA Developers cause :D

At this point I can only come up with theories about the G1 cuz only a few people (not me :() actually have one.

BTW I am not a good java programmer (as I found out trying to port several programs) but I love to make linux do all kinds of new things.. I am hoping that I can make a graphical program that will run some low level shell scripts for the tether app :D
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] briggs81:
HTC Touch Pro, unless again it's because of the keyboard/screen. It's really all the same crap.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] punkzanyj:
Hmm, I think i'll be okay. I'm going to give you some crap, (but I kinda envy you:D)

at 11:30 i'm already at work, and definitely don't have time for games, phonecalls, or internet browsing. Sometimes I have time for texting here and there, but mostly my phone is in my pocket for almost 8 hours.

I have a laptop at home and I sit in front of a desktop PC all day, so I doubt I'll be using the internet on my phone that much on a daily basis. Perhaps on my commute, or if I'm waiting somewhere or something. I might have some battery issues on a saturday or day off, but mostly my usage will probably be much less than yours.

I've learned that some things just eat batteries. CD players eat batteries, and I think that was part of their downfall. That lazer is just too much of a power muncher. With phones, WiFi, Bluetooth, and making phonecalls eat battery. That's why a phone will have 5 hours of talk time and 130 of standby time.

Don't get me wrong, I miss the days of my old nokia 6280(?) where I only had to charge it once a week, maybe twice if I was on the phone a lot. But I don't think those days are going to be back anytime soon. Making a battery that last that long is no problem, but making it small enough, light enough, and keeping the temperature down are big big challenges. Back in the 90's people were perfectly willing to have a thicker phone, or an extended battery that doubled the thickness of their phone, but todays people, not so much. It's all about having a phone thinner than a piece of paper. I don't understand the obsession with thinness in phones, but whatever.

One thing I'm surprised hasn't gotten more support... The Samsung upstage comes with a "wallet" sort of flippy leather case thing that doubles as a sort of extended battery. When you put your phone into the wallet and your phone battery is low, the phone runs off the wallet, and if you're not doing anything the wallet just recharges the phone (if the wallet has enough charge to do so). You can plug the phone into the wallet, and then into the wall and it will charge both batteries. There's even a second meter for the wallet that shows up on the screen when you have the phone inside the wallet. This would deal with a lot of the battery issues for a smartphone, and would definitely help people protect their investment.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dagentooboy:
the wallet is an interesting idea... when I travel I use my laptop for the same thing (phone charger)... I find if I suspend my laptop the battery will charge my tilt for a LONG time without being plugged in. But unlike most people I spend most of my day in front of a computer at work and my phone is plugged in the whole time. what would be REALLY cool would be a wallet with a solar panel on it so if you threw it up on your dash while driving it would charge for later :D
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] goodwinm:
Someone is supposedly already porting WM to the iphone. Would it be any harder to port it to such a clamped down system, or to one as open as the G1, whose hardware is going to be mostly similar to a number of HTC devices already running WM.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scottslc:
back to topic

Lets get off the wm on the g1 or create another thread for it. Lets concentrate on learning more about the g1 (both phone and google operating system) because I can't sleep at night knowing I'm only a little over a week from getting mine and for some strange obsessive reason want to learn what i can from the lucky stiffs that have one.

For what it's worth... Scott
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GlobalM3:
another battery update:

I turned the brightness down to almost nothing and I got a full day of battery life with no heavy usage...

I dont know why when you do a master reset all these settings are turned on, on the device.

GPS highest brightness setting (battery eaters)

I am happy to report that the battery is a little better. On 3G it is still killing the battery and the speed is not even quick.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] afbcamaro:
I can bet dollars to Mexican pesos that this phone has ran windows mobile on htc labs already. To the previous poster about porting api dll, YOU wont have to since most "port" jobs have an insider that has done most of the heavy lifting for you and it is just a mater of finding the leak and using it to your advantage.

THIS SAME EXACT CHIPSET IS IN USE RIGHT NOW AS A WM device!
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scottslc:
so much concern about getting window on the g1

id be more interested in getting android on a windows device...
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cr2:
It's a fake.

The hardware is very similar, but the phone software (AMSS) is different.

I'm working hard on removing wince from Raphael to replace it

with linux http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=RaphaelResearch

and facing the same problems.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cr2:
Do you know what a "chipset" is ?

Please point me to the leaked MSM7201A documentation, please ;-)
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] afbcamaro:
I could not provide any documentation for the MSM7201A or proof because as you have stated I dont know what a chipset is.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mikey:
People there is a thread already open for Windows on G-Phone, already.

Keep the threads on point to the topic of the thread.

Thank You :)
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Yos025:
Definitive G-1 Review

Guys,

Check this out, the definitive G-1 review. It is a little long so take your time. It has a lot of info on the hardware and software...

http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/16/t-mobile-g1-review/
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] buggybug0:
Question related to data usage

1. Is there a way to turn off data when roaming? (like on the iphone)

2. Is there a way to turn off data, period. (i.e. using wifi only, like if I do not have a dataplan and bought the phone at full price, and do not want to be charged for extra edge/3g data)

thanks
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] punkzanyj:
I don't know if this will apply in the future... but right now, I have a Wing and NO data plan. Sometimes if I don't connect to Wifi fast enough the Wing tries to connect to EDGE, and it can't. I tried one time to see what would happen, and it was never able to connect.

So, I don't think they let you use data if you do not have a data plan. Hopefully there's a setting you can adjust to keep it from looking for it and wasting all that battery power, too.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] benjimen:
'Definitive'...? How so? I noticed you're posting this same message all over the G1 net -- did you write it?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Yos025:
No I didn't write it. I saw it this morning and tought this forum might have been interest to see it...
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] KyleK29:
Hmmm .. from the article:

11 hrs? That seems to go against the user experiences of those that do have the phone on here.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GlobalM3:
11 Hours never!!!

On a edge network with the screen turned all the way down maybe.

I will give you $100 for that super battery lol
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Yos025:
It is funny, but I have read about 7 long reviews online and every single one contradicts this forum when it comes to the battery. Maybe other users have the 1150mAh... ?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GlobalM3:
My battery is 1150 and there is NO WAY! that this battery will last longer than 5 hours while I surf the web on 3G. The device gets super hot and you can almost watch the battery meter go down!

My other 2 phones are coming in tomorrow and I will charge them overnight and see if that makes a difference. I started using this one right out of the box.

I have it on EDGE with the screen turned down all the way and GPS off and I barely got a 10 hour day the phone was shutting off before I went to bed.

T-Mobile knows of the battery issue and they are offering free car charges to business customers. (what gives if there is no exchange) lol
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] haitiankid4lyf:
to buggybug0 i believe that tmobile doesnt let you use most of the phone features with out on of their data plans; i heard from a tmo rep that without one you can only make 911 & 611 calls (i dont know if this is true but its worth considering)

to punkzanyj if you go into your connection settings and delete your data conection and you phone wont try to connect.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] buggybug0:
Thanks for the answer. I think what you answered may not be corrrect but it may just my wishful thinking. i hope/wish that i can buy the phone without the dataplan (ie. $400 or via another method), i can activate the phone over wifi using my google account, and either there is a setting in there to let me channel all data over wifi or no data at all. OR do as you suggested, just delete all the settings for the tmobile data (APN and all that stuff), so even if it does TRY to download data over my celluar, it won't get anything.

@ Everyone else talkinga bout hte battery life. please read the review, it clearly said it was testing media playing. and if you think of it logically (rather yelling "no way" "mine only gets 5 hrs" "his is 3 hrs" "my phone doesn'et say hello to me" or whatever), you would know that the screen is mostly OFF during this period as would any other phone/OS as a BASIC power saving feature. so while other reviews gets 5 hrs for browsing website or 4 hours for talking, the screen is MOST likely on and something's happening in the background, ie. the ceullar chip is transfering and processing your voice and receiving the other caller's voice. so please!!
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Masters97:
G1 and T-mobile 5.99 plan

Sorry if these questions has been asked/answered already guys, first post on the site. I was wondering if you can use the 5.99 internet hack with the G1? Or do you have 2 subscribe to the 2 yr 20$ data plan to get the phone for $179 (with upgrade). Or will the 5.99 plan not even operate 3G network?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] punkzanyj:
Thanks, but I'm not going to worry about the Wing once that G1 arrives and gets fully charged:D

About 911: I know there is a law, or FCC regulation, or something that basically says no matter what you will always be able to dial 911 if you're within range of any cell tower. You don't have to have a contract, or prepaid minutes, doesn't matter if you're roaming or if you're out of range for your carrier's towers. Any tower will work. you just have to have a phone, a working battery, and be close enough to any cell tower and they have to route a 911 call. It's one of the required surcharges on your bill every month to make sure that anyone with a cell phone and a signal can dial 911. Most phones let you dial 911 with the keys locked and I think a few will even dial 911 when the phone is turned off (it'll turn itself back on). I'm pretty sure it works even without a SIM card installed.

I wonder if 911 uses up minutes? I should check my bills, I had to call it way back in January of this year.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bacardiboi:
maybe i fiddle with it too much, but ive had mine for 3 days and ive had to charge it mid day every day. its charging all night while i sleep, and i did the required 3 hour charge when i got it.

battery sucks, other reviewers must not be fiddling with it as much in the "11 hours" they got from the phone.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sman234:
does the g1 have something similar to the proximity sensor in the iphone, how is the touchscreen handled during a call?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GlobalM3:
They are not in 3G coverage and have the display turned way down. Try this and you will get a whole day of life on the phone.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Gorguts:
I have a Dream......G1 actually.

In a nutshell....

This is after 1 full day of use. Everything works right away.

The edge speed was really fast and a few other employees agreed.

The interface is fun to use, I kinda miss WinMobile but I think its just cause Im use to it. Im not a fan of the phone and messaging setup, its just a little clumsey.

I am not a fan of the keyboard, this will take some getting use to. The buttons are almost flush with the device base and the keys are hard to see, wierd backlight setup.

Battery life is sad.....really sad. It's 10:12pm est and I have used the phone minimally today because I work 11hr shifts. The battery is currently at 23%. My Kaiser would be at like 65% at this time with the same usage. They dropped the ball with this freaky small battery.

It is missing alot of practical apps like a file manager & Virtual Kpad. for instance. ALL TEXT ENTRY IS DONE BY OPENNING THE KEYBOARD.

There is alot I haven't played with like Btooth and I just scrathed the surface on PC conection. I think it will be a decent phone in time, but out of the box you will not be impressed. I don't know the hotkeys yet so some stuff like ringer profile and other settings are a pain to change. Any questions???
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] benjimen:
Nope... don't think there's anything new you can share; read through the other topics, you'll see this was pretty much just a bunch of un-necessary repetition, but very negative.

Stick with your Kaiser, share your wisdom over in that forum...
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Black93300ZX:
That's not very nice to say to a guy who's trying to help, I'm sure if you had a G1 you'd be oh so helpful...:rolleyes:

I have a question, how many applications are available in the market? Is it just a few (5-10) or is there actually a good base to start with? Are there free apps and apps that cost money, are they all free now, do they all charge...?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] benjimen:
um... sexual issues? :D
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Black93300ZX:
Just gay issues. :-P Juuust kidding