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[G1 Android Development] beartard:
So XDA doesn't work the way XDA works. I get it now. Thanks for playing, man.
[G1 Android Development] quedijo:
LOL... Thanx. I am going to buy one and tell ya'll how it goes... Oh how I love the Chinese :p

Anyways... going back to the topic... I have been playing around with my phone and the only thing we'll really have to wait on is how to flash Android back to the phone when it's starts getting good.

The methods being used to run Android on other HTC phones is by running a bootloader and the image.

The Bootloader method of holding the camera button then powering it on is quite interesing. Would it be a hardware difference not to be detectable in USB in that state or the bootloader code?
[G1 Android Development] cr2:
LOL. You must be long enough here to remember how many warez-related C&D letters did xda-dev become ;-)

Personally, i'd like to see wince ported to G1.

Then maybe the windows power users will stop calling copying DLLs and editing the registry entries "developing".
[G1 Android Development] surur:
Welcome to the real world, Minister of Linux.
[G1 Android Development] Flar:
Are we done with trolling&teasing and can we get back to being constructive and polite here?

Best regards,

Flar

Site admin
[G1 Android Development] surur:
Apologies for polluting this very worthy thread.

Surur
[G1 Android Development] LvDisturbed1:
Flar, would you mind letting us know if porting WM to the G1 and posting roms for it here on this site would be legal or not? Or if you were unsure yourself, would you allow us to do so unless a C&D letter was received from Microsoft, Google, or T-Mobile? Although there is currently no project underway, this information would be extremely helpful so we know whether or not we can go forward with a project in the future.
[G1 Android Development] neoobs:
I agree I would like to head an administrators call... but I think this would be a no go for legal reasons ... do we have any other non windows mobile devices that we have put windows mobile on? are we allowed to share those here as well?
[G1 Android Development] Flar:
Beartard posted a quote of me which explains our position clearly (or at least it does in my humble opinion).

I'm not going to prevent anyone from discussing things like this, and if a file would be placed on our site we will remove it if/once we receive a legal complaint.

Greetz,

Flar
[G1 Android Development] neoobs:
Thank you Flar... we love you.
[G1 Android Development] Flar:
yeah yeah, watch out or you'll creep me out some day ;)

Greetz,

Flar
[G1 Android Development] LvDisturbed1:
Thats great news! Alright people...how would we go about this? I'm not entirely sure how we would flash a WM rom on the G1. Anyone have a clue as to what the process would be?
[G1 Android Development] ultraman69:
forget android, let's put winmo on the g1

for me, the g1 has been a major disappointment...

poor battery, useless email client, near useless calendar client, unhappy with their browser, flakey data service...the list goes on and on.

i do like the hardware it's running on, is it possible to put winmo on this beast? this is what the wing II should have been now.
[G1 Android Development] obijohn:
Don't feed the troll
[G1 Android Development] quedijo:
Don't you know the rule for new devices? Don't get it if your not willing to wait for the SLOW advances. You should have known that Android, being version 1.0 was going to be like this. You think Windows CE was like it is in version 1.0? (And I am not comparing!)

Just wait till we get serious developers to write real applications and open source junkies to contribute to to the development of the Android OS. It has HUGE potential. If you can't wait, return it and wait for the G2.

Now about putting WinMo on it. It should theoreticaly be possible. It's the same hardware as the Raphael. Bootloader is the same as other HTC devices (except the code has been modified not to allow USB). But we can't change that UNTIL, and I repeat, UNTIL we either get root access or a direct connection to the bootloader.

I'm not trying to bash you, I'm in the same boat, I want WinMo and Android... BUT unless your going to add to possible ways for exploits, please don't start new threads asking for what most everyone wants but are patiently waiting.
[G1 Android Development] Darkrift:
Not trying to bash either but why? There are already winmo devices with similar specs. If you want a winmo device, return the G1 and buy one. If you want an android device, keep the G1.
[G1 Android Development] damnitpud:
I can understand the want for WinMo on this hardware. TMobile's best WinMo device was the Wing and its half the hardware as the G1 and double its price!

I will admit i have thought about how awesome WinMo would run on these specs and how cool it would be to use this phone with WinMo until Android is matured. If i had the option to flash back and forth from Android to WinMo, I would do it a few times a week!
[G1 Android Development] HOGWILD:
the kraiser has android on it aka the (att tilt)
[G1 Android Development] quedijo:
It has a pre-release verision of Android and uses HaRET to boot it. Not usefull at all at the moment.

It's the same thing as if we booted a linux kernal from within windows.

I'ts progress but it's not the v1.0 that the G1 has.
[G1 Android Development] sprintrjm:
re: wm

I now demand dual boot wm and iphone for my g1.

Now if only i could triple boot, wm, iphone and the awesome sprint instinct os and my life would finely be complete. oohh and palm / sidekick too.

:) :) :)
[G1 Android Development] LvDisturbed1:
New thread? This thread was started on 9/25, so its not new...

Edit: Sorry, didn't realize that other guy made a thread that was redirected here.
[G1 Android Development] LvDisturbed1:
If we get WM on the G1, T-Mobile users would finally have a WM device that is AWS compatible. That means 3G with T-Mobile. May not be a big deal for most people, but it is to me and probably some others.
[G1 Android Development] quedijo:
LOL... It's okay... It triped me up aswell when the redirect bappend.
[G1 Android Development] shawndh:
Exactly. The only reason this is desirable at all (to me) is the fact that T-Mobile will not put out a 3G WM device and many are still under contract. The G1 is nice but it cannot replace a WM6 device for someone who actually uses it for business.

If it's possible to port WM6 to the G1 (without getting into trouble), I'd get one just to port WM6 to it. If not, I'll just stick with EDGE.
[G1 Android Development] saiweb:
funny

It looks like they are trying to profit on the hardware. Before the contract expires they get $120 extra for the same network stuff they offer with other devices. I smell a litigation there ;)
[G1 Android Development] apatcas:
ok now we have root and modded images

Now that we have the ability to mod the bootloader is there anyway we can hack it so it will allow usb connections, because after that porting WM to the device should be a lot easier. Hell ill even pay for the liciense for it if I have to just till android matures a little as an os.
[G1 Android Development] LvDisturbed1:
I have a feeling its not as simple as just getting root access...although I'm sure thats a start.
[G1 Android Development] statixchaos:
i posted this on another thread. acouple days ago.

i recently got my phone and I didn't get the $25 G1 plan; instead I stuck with me $20 plan and it works. i was able to connect to 3g/edge/gprs; i was able to talk and surf the web at the same time, download apps, use gmail, etc. when i told t-mobile to remove my pending $25 plan they reminded me how i couldnt use the phone w/o it. i told them i was doing just fine with the $20 plan, they replied saying that wasnt suppose to be possible. after they removed it they warned me that it maybe a temporary thing. the next day my connect was on and off, 80% of the day it was on; i suspected that much from tmobile, this isnt the first time something coincidently happen to my service after talking to them.

sidenote: tmobile offers a data only plan for the g1 now but for some reason its still $25; same price as the data w/ msg plan.
[G1 Android Development] lazee_smurf:
Well I guess I'm good on that because I had the $20 internet plan with 400 texts so it comes to be the same thing
[G1 Android Development] apatcas:
Well im taking my g1 back

i cant deal without a wm device... and its gonna take a while till anyone ports it.
[G1 Android Development] neiltoe:
Yeah I gave mine to my kid she doesn't care because it is a new phone.
[G1 Android Development] teflon252:
its all a matter of "know how"....i dont "know how" to do it...but i do kno it is possible. HTC makes all types of PPC phones. This phone contains every feature their new line of phones contains except the "DREAM" has a cheap battery thats more of a "NIGHTMARE". I mean the battery is almost the equivalent to that of the Shadow II. There's no reason why we cant have a rom porting WM6.1 over to the "DREAM". The only difference is the "Aesthetic design" and the "OS".
[G1 Android Development] gizmo2431:
Yeah, WM would look nice on the phone too. it's got a nice display to it and everything... just a matter of time before someone does it i suppose....
[G1 Android Development] apatcas:
Well Xda was windows mobile only, dream attracted all the linux enthusiasts whom apparently want this pos os. i took my g1 back so im good.

I wont buy a g1 until wm can be ported to it.
[G1 Android Development] johnny13oi:
I thought one of the biggest concerns would be the capacitive touch screen. All windows mobile phones seem to have the resistive kind, even the high end touch pro.
[G1 Android Development] bugs007:
There must be a way to install Windows Mobile

I'm sure there must be a way to install Windows Mobile. Just look at desktop and laptop hardware you have the option to install windows (any flavor) or linux (any flavor) and possibly other OS's

Similarly, the HTC drem hardware should have the capability to accept any OS. The trick is just the procedure to install Windows Mobile 6.1 or the upcoming 6.5.

There must be an application to flash the main partition and the bootloader and that's it. I know it sounds easy. I would do it if I had the tools.... some brains out there that can try???

And the capacitive screen is just a driver with some settings/tweaks to tell the OS where the user is touching. That is a trivial thing for developers.

I won't buy the G1 until WM can be ported.
[G1 Android Development] Koush:
LOL... so true.

I'm totally a Windows (desktop) user and developer, but I have no desire to see Windows on my phone again until it stops being a giant usability mess. Hopefully WM7 fixes that.
[G1 Android Development] johnny13oi:
I would really like the Windows Mobile software on this phone as well. I get the feeling that the android OS is poorly managing the phone's power causing the intense power drain. Hopefully Windows Mobile can fix this. Not only that, I personally really like the Windows Mobile OS and the G1's capacitive screen.
[G1 Android Development] LvDisturbed1:
Well, for this to happen we need a developer with knowledge on linux and WM willing to go through this project. Until someone steps up, we can't do much of anything.
[G1 Android Development] djdant:
a lil off topic, but its only illegal if before you buy the mattress you take off the label, found it out on a tv about myths. It's ok once you buy it.
[G1 Android Development] josefcrist:
i am waiting i know someone can do it. i wish i could say it was me.
[G1 Android Development] jashsu:
Ha ha ha ha! Oh wait... you were serious.
[G1 Android Development] apatcas:
Android at this point is a POS os, if that's why you're laughing!
[G1 Android Development] neoobs:
I think he was laughing at how oblivious and ignorant you are... at least that is what I was laughing at LOL
[G1 Android Development] jashsu:
You WinMo-on-G1 guys must live in some kind of alternate universe where WinMo is pleasant to use and the htc Dream hardware is defectless by design. In my universe the WinMo user interface is so ****ty that there's been a thriving cottage industry built around third-party UI replacements. I would know because I used to own them since they were running WindowsCE.
[G1 Android Development] Dalamak:
WM6 ON G1

Lets keep this thread alive, I've been sufffering Seperation pains From WM6 , with my G1
[G1 Android Development] johnny13oi:
I personally prefer Windows Mobile for now as it has matured nicely whereas the Android OS is still in its infancy and needs to mature. I think that the terrible battery life is attributed mainly to the Android OS not managing the power correctly or as efficient as the Windows OS is. I mean come on, the G1 gets about 10 hours tops with normal usage and like 7 hours of heavy usage. That is not a mobile. A similar Windows Mobile device with similar hardware and smaller battery gets much longer battery life (Touch Diamond) or the Touch Pro which has a slightly larger battery but can last about 2 days of normal usage. That is 48 hours compared to 10 hours of normal usage.
[G1 Android Development] jashsu:
I can't argue with that. WinMo has had time to mature, but the fact of the matter is that the ui of WinMo today is fundamentally as broken as the ui of WinCE ten years ago. Android has yet to prove itself, but WinMo has had ten years to get its act together. On that basis, I find it hysterical to call Android a "pos os". The start bar and start menu's continued presence make it plainly clear how Microsoft just doesn't "get" mobile devices.
[G1 Android Development] johnny13oi:
Yeah I definitely would not call the Android OS a pos os. But it is still too young for me to use at this moment. And the battery life issue of the G1 is a very big deal to me. It is very inconvenient to have to charge the device twice a day. Right now I am on my third day without a charge on the Touch Pro and am trying to drain it as part of the conditioning when new.
[G1 Android Development] diabolical28:
G1 vs WM. I see the constant topic how WM is much better I do agree WM is Better in alot of ways which include Syncing it with Exchange and Outlook which Both are very important to me. But as other people have said it is a Very new phone VERY new. For WM users WM has been out 6 years now in some fashion or another 2003,wm5 wm6. They have had alot of time to get the kinks out of the system however one major one exists still that the Active Sync wants to be on all of the time and doesn't like to close. Which drains battery and system resources. Now everybody is talking about how the battery life on the android is really bad but for anybody who has flashed a rom depending on the radio's you get or use in your rom causes this power drain almost always. Since the G1 is only 2 months old I think instead of trying to "PORT WM to the G1" people should be asking the devolopers to Port the Syncing and better Radios which consume less battery. IE can turn off the G3 when not in use. Which should save battery life. Just remember the phone with the biggest hype Ever namely the iPhone only took a few months to completly Break. Give it time to do so with the android considering this is the first release of the android on a phone.
[G1 Android Development] jzerocsk:
If you can only get 10 hours with "normal usage" you either have a crazy idea of what "normal usage" means or something is wrong with either the phone or the battery.
[G1 Android Development] Dalamak:
I think Android is a very nice OS, alot of potential, and very clean and easy to navigate,

But to say "The start bar and start menu's continued presence make it plainly clear how Microsoft just doesn't "get" mobile devices" is something I don't agree with, I like the feel of having a windows-esk destop on my Phone, I like having to go to Start menu- Programs - File explorer to execute a Cab file.
[G1 Android Development] hgupta:
we need incentives to make this happen

I propose a prize for the first person to get Windows Mobile ported to the G1 with a 3G connection. I'll contribute $50 to the pot.
[G1 Android Development] jashsu:
It's so difficult to believe that's not sarcasm. Honestly.

Well, good luck to you WinMo-on-G1 people. Seriously there is better hardware out there, even from htc. The Touch Pro and Xperia X1 (love the X1's panels btw) are great examples. But if you absolutely have to have it on the G1, who am I to stop ya?
[G1 Android Development] lajtosi:
Yes you are right the chipset is Qualcomm MSM 7201A but it is slightly midfied version compared to HTC Touch Duo Pro. Because of that porting the BSP and RIL for WIndows Mobile is almost impossible, but I would love to see someone doing it in the community....:)
[G1 Android Development] johnny13oi:
The main reason why I would want Windows Mobile on the G1 is because it has a capacitive touch screen. No other Windows Mobile devices from HTC has one that I know of.
[G1 Android Development] Dalamak:
seem like if they ported it on the HTC Dream, it would lay a foundation for doing it on the Touch Pro and Xperia X1 or vice-versa.
[G1 Android Development] jashsu:
I'm not sure what you're trying to say; the Touch Pro and Xperia X1 are WinMo handsets. The point I was trying to make is that if one wants to run WinMo, there is better hardware to do it on.
[G1 Android Development] damnitpud:
Yes there is better hardware, but what hardware would cost you $179.99? The phones you mentioned are still up in the area of $400+ right?
[G1 Android Development] Koush:
I am pretty sure there no Windows Mobile devices with capacitive touch screens at all. Windows Mobile Professional phones are required to have a stylus housed within them (Microsoft requirement to hardware vendors I believe). You can't use a capacitive touch screen with a stylus.
[G1 Android Development] Dalamak:
I'd also go in for Fifty
[G1 Android Development] maxdamage2122:
not exactly true. http://www.fonearena.com/blog/2008/03/26/stylus-for-iphone-and-ipod-touch.html
[G1 Android Development] neoobs:
just because they have a "stylus" doesn't mean it will work correctly. WinMo doesn't have drivers to convert the screens capacitive touch to a resistive touch.

BTW I have heard the stylus's don't work anyways.
[G1 Android Development] josefcrist:
my thoughts exactly. that is why i want windows mobile. btw i will add 50
[G1 Android Development] gizmo2431:
exactly... with tmobile I can't get a phone for $180 with better hardware than the g1 phone... and i refuse to go to a cdma provider or ATT as their rates are way too high IMO
[G1 Android Development] Koush:
Well, I mean a standard plastic stylus. The stylus that you see there has some sort of electrical current running through it, otherwise the iPhone/iPod would not be affected by it. Good luck housing that stylus in a phone too... that's pretty thick.
[G1 Android Development] Dalamak:
pogo stylus

I have one , It doesn't work all that well, its got what looks a pices of black packing material on the end, only thing a can figure is it must be static charged, but you its not very responsive.
[G1 Android Development] statixchaos:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=455357

someone mentioned that the bootloader in the dev g1 is different from the non-dev g1, it doesnt require a signed system image. hypothetically does that mean that you can flash any rom including WinMo? bec it seems to me that the only thing getting in the way of porting WM is the required signed image (not including the drivers, etc).
[G1 Android Development] johnny13oi:
Well maybe someone who gets their hands on one of these G1's with the modified bootloader, they can create a flash for our phones to flash our bootloaders and hopefully to Windows Mobile.
[G1 Android Development] phatman81:
yeah, if that is the case, i would buy a dev edition G1 immediately...
[G1 Android Development] hgupta:
But those aren't 3G phones on T-mobile.

So far the pot is up to $200. not bad!
[G1 Android Development] neva dinova:
i would put in 50$ us if everything works because mobile gaming is pretty important to me.

ps.i wont pitch in if i dont own the phone anymore
[G1 Android Development] bhang:
Im ashamed to have read this, but

The dev bootloader is flashable if your rooted

Games will come to android, its java there are tons of java games and devs, even a few big java game dev houses so I doubt games will be lacking

My fingernail, which I was trained to use on WM and any other touchie device I owned before this, and the g1 didn't respond a bit it seems to need a soft, maybe moist/conductive, warm I'm not sure but I don't think a working stylus will be found, so using a WM6 rom without a facelift would be hard to control select stuff.

IMOP, if you want a kick a$$ wm6.1 handy get a used wiz, I love my wiz if it didn't have some display probs it would still be in use by somebody in my house

Posted from my G1 in a 3g cellsite

Bhang
[G1 Android Development] johnny13oi:
Well now that the unlocked bootloader is available, I am thinking maybe we can now get Windows Mobile on the phone. It is just a matter of time now.
[G1 Android Development] neoobs:
Well.. seeing as how the Service manual is released with flashing info... I think it might be even easier.
[G1 Android Development] Datruesurfer:
I'm not about to go bricking my phone on this(I despise WM aswell), but it seems like the G1 has quite a bit in common with the HTC Vogue. Same (yet slower) processor and probably a similar baseband. Maybe someone should take a Vogue ROM and try flashing it on a phone running the developer SPL?
[G1 Android Development] cereal2k:
outlook calender and contacts sync

syncmycal.com is a good solution for calender and contacts sync _that works_. Funambol has not madea working release for their solution as yet.
[G1 Android Development] neva dinova:
do you really think cross flashing will work or are you suggesting somebody work up a way to do so
[G1 Android Development] rushless:
I wish Java games worked so universal on the G1. Fact is most do not and we would have to expect the games to be written for Android.

Even if improved, we are still screwed with emulators, MAME and game ports, since they will not work efficiently with the Java layer imposed as a requirement.

Send a note to the Smartgear author if you want insight (it is depressing)

Even codecs work poorly unless already part of the OS (like MP4 is and Divx is not).

Send a note to the Coreplayer devs for depressing insight here, too.

Heck, making an audio EQ to access the built in function of the 7201a is a problem and is why we have not seen one yet.

If we get an unofficial OS release and it is supported by the homebrew community- then we are looking good from an app standpoint.

Hold your breath for Tmo to even do something as simple as card installs will result in oxygen failure to the brain. Android devs have already stated it is not on their roadmap and Tmo currently defines the roadmap- which due to lead-time, additions are not open for the next six months (per Android devs).

If an OS ever screamed for a "screw the phone carrier" approach- this is it.
[G1 Android Development] bhang:
wow, I had no idea

I didnt realize that java was so important certianly didnt think that the device could be held back due to java, I thought it was for ease of little app making, not such an big part of the OS.

I figured it was more of just a window manager type of thingy, as you can see im not a dev, just an advanced user on my best day and a dufus on my worst, but it looks more and more like a fork is needed to realize the full potential of the hardware in a timley maner.

Hey I still gotta say the fact that a fork can be done legally and in the wide open is very cool, the average joe can use the standard tmob-droid and those who wish to can use a XDA-DEV fork

bhang
[G1 Android Development] statixchaos:
my last phone was a Kaiser and the specs on that are fairly similar to the G1. i thought about flashing a custom rom i made for my Kaiser on to the G1. i have a vague idea how to put it on, but im afraid of bricking my phone >.< i wish someone that has a spare wouldnt mind trying something like this out :D
[G1 Android Development] Dalamak:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=3025788#post3025788

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