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[G1 Android Development] d00m:
I'm totally for it just to get a gps program running.
[G1 Android Development] ranger7424:
Seriously???? Another windows mobile thread????

Search is your friend there are like 3 or 4 WM threads already in the dream forums.
[G1 Android Development] jashsu:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=429808

There is little or no progress on this front. And even if there were, it would be a while before it was developed to a point where it would be usable as an everyday device. I suggest you buy a handset with WinMo preinstalled if you want to use one today.
[G1 Android Development] josefcrist:
i am not quite sure what you were trying to say. windows mobile 7?
[G1 Android Development] apatcas:
Yes i was reffering to wiondows mobile 7
[G1 Android Development] zellbz:
I like WinMo a lot but I also like to get 3g for $20 so the reason that so many ppl want their G1 to run WinMo is to compensate the lack of an AWS 1700/2100 WinMo phone because I kno if 1 wuz available I wud b first in line for that. WM6.1 most likely cud be ported to the G1 because the hardware is the same as the Touch Pro, Diamond,(QC MSM 7201 528mhz) which is one of essentials of porting Roms so hopefully maybe WinMo cud be ported to the G1 before a WinMo AWS phone comes out....
[G1 Android Development] apatcas:
Dude! u compared the Google phone with the diamond.... shhh! don't tell anyone they have the same hardware, ppl don't react well to that
[G1 Android Development] zellbz:
G1 and Diamond: QC MsM 7201 528 mhz 192mb ram/ 256 Rom.... this all seems pretty similar to me excluding keyboard if dat iz wat ur talking ?
[G1 Android Development] neoobs:
Wouldn't the screen be a little incompatible? if dat iz wat ur talking?
[G1 Android Development] zellbz:
Yea I see your point vga vs hvga.... but that not a huge problem because if you look at the "leaked" version of 6.5 that waz pulled from a qvga type rom and ported to vga and wvga phone then it shud b possible to downgrade from vga to hvga.....
[G1 Android Development] neoobs:
Besides the fact that it is hard to understand anything you type because you can't bother using correct spelling or legible spellings, I was talking about the capacitive/resistive screens.
[G1 Android Development] zellbz:
Well the only thing that I can say about WinMo on a capacitive screen is that it would be hard to use since WinMo requires a stylus most of the time and a stylus cannot be used on a capacitive screen...... but if a version of 6.1 with larger fonts and some fingerfriendlyness were made they I see not reason for the capacitive/resistive screen types to be a factor.
[G1 Android Development] zellbz:
If I'm wrong then someone else should know more about the capacitive/resistive screen issue....
[G1 Android Development] statixchaos:
at this point i would settle for a windows command prompt just like the debian.
[G1 Android Development] hgupta:
I think I am going to give up on getting WinMo on the Android and just switch to AT&T and a winmo device. I am officially withdrawing my contribution to the pot.
[G1 Android Development] alapapa:
I used my K-Jam (Wizard g3) stylus-free for the better part of 3 years and was quite productive on it.

precise handwriting input support is, obviously, out of the question, but click approximation oughtn't be that rigorous once the dirty work of getting a driver loaded is done

anyone working on it? can I help?
[G1 Android Development] montymofya:
windows mobile on g1 put me in the pot for 100$ please

windows mobile on g1 put me in the pot for 100$ please
[G1 Android Development] montymofya:
captive screen?

hey i was wondering if you can explaint me what is captive screen thanks
[G1 Android Development] Mi|enko:
I think you mean "capacitive".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchscreen
[G1 Android Development] markandreas9:
WinMo 6.5 on a Capacitive screen

Here is a link I found of WinMo 6.5 working on a capacitive screen( http://www.wmexperts.com/hands-windows-mobile-65-and-ti-omap-34x-ii-platform ). I doubt that the type of processor that it uses could affect porting Wm6.5 to the G1. I am no developer but in knowing that Wm6.5(and possibily WM6.1) works on a capacitive screen then we show give it a GO..... rite?
[G1 Android Development] bexorn:
Windows Mobile on HTC Dream?

Hello, is there any known way to get Windows Mobile (at least 6.1) on the HTC Dream as operating system?

I miss sort of apps for Android, so i´d like to try wm for some months, until the paid market is aviable in Europe.

And if yes, what do i need to install?

Thanks 4 answers...
[G1 Android Development] bommel0815:
nobody has tried yet, and keep in mind that 340x480 resolution is NOT supported by windows mobile. also, I don't think there is a synaptics driver for the touchpanel controller used, but i could be wrong there.

btw, as i have been a windows mobile user for as long as the platform exists, what apps do you miss? I currently only miss phatnotes...
[G1 Android Development] speoples20:
Its not gonna work and this has already been asked a dozen times before. If you want windows go but a touch.
[G1 Android Development] bexorn:
sorry but when I search for "windows mobile", I get 0 founds in the HTC Dream forum.

I miss a navigator for my car and the possibility to change styles and themes on an easy way.
[G1 Android Development] uberingram:
Your keyboard must be broken then. This was quite simple to find using vBulletin's built in search function:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=429808&highlight=windows
[G1 Android Development] dragonrajah:
winmo and stylus

I have been using winmo for over a year and 2 different phones and have

never used the stylus
[G1 Android Development] uberingram:
Thanks for bringing up a month old thread just to mention you didn't need a stylus. *thumbs up*
[G1 Android Development] alapapa:
sure is better than starting a new one, no?
[G1 Android Development] KyleK29:
That's a misconception. It's illegal for anyone except the consumer of the mattress to tear a tag. For example, a store or warehouse can't remove the tag (unless they own it and are not trying to resale it).

Says right on the mattress. "Only to be removed by the consumer".
[G1 Android Development] statixchaos:
well the plan does make a difference apparently, the two G1 reps that I spoke with said that in order to use the phone (in any way whether it be texting, phone calls, using apps, etc..) u have to sign in using a gmail account. they clam that the $20 plan doesnt work on the phone. (i highly doubt thats true, but thats what they're telling everyone.)
[G1 Android Development] beartard:
I'm saying it's the Android software that requires a phone-home to T-Mobile to activate the phone. If you were to install Windows Mobile on it, T-Mobile wouldn't know (or more likely care) if you were even using a G1 anymore.
[G1 Android Development] statixchaos:
oh ok i see your point then. yeah i doubt they would care if you changed it or not.
[G1 Android Development] afbcamaro:
Maybe

Android is phoning google not T-Mobile. (It is just a data plan and not specific to the G1) I know that the keiser has the same chip set as the G1. (Processor, GPS, qphone etc) It is a qualcomm 72xx. And I am willing to bet a nice sandwich that since HTC made the phone, they haven't readily abandoned their internal logic of building phones. Ie. Radio stacks may not be the same but interchangeable, incl rom structure and loading of such. (Hence why they were able to spit out the phone so fast) From what I gather the Keiser can run android already (I bet a limited form) it might actually be easier to go the other way around once we understand their rom structure. (Keiser rom/drivers might be compatible for the most part)

What I really mean is that structurally I don't believe there is a difference between them making a Windows mobile or an Android phone in the hardware aspect. If T-mobile releases an update that is done by computer side I believe we will get it done since we will be able to dissect its structure. But I may be completely wrong... I will try anyways
[G1 Android Development] afbcamaro:
Correction the G1 has the same chipset as.... The

HTC Venus (Xperia)

Pantech Duo

HTC Raphael

HTC BlackStone

HTC Diamond

HTC Victor

etc etc.

Most of the features are derived from the Qualcomm Chipset
[G1 Android Development] LvDisturbed1:
So do we have any devs interested enough to try to port WM on the G1? I am really hoping someone will step up to the plate...
[G1 Android Development] hgupta:
I sure hope that someone does work on this! I am stuck using Windows Mobile for work, and am stuck with T-mobile!

T-mobile still has not announced plans for 3G on any windows mobile devices!
[G1 Android Development] punkzanyj:
Would WM even work with 3G?

I remember reading (in one of the wing forums here, no less) that the Wing wouldn't work on 3G. I forget whether that was a hardware or software issue.

Seems like a lot of trouble just to get a 3G connection.
[G1 Android Development] josefcrist:
so what do you need to try and see if say a pantech duo rom will work on it? what is the worst that can happen you have to re flash to android? i am very interested in this subject because i am stuck with tmobile and can not find a better phone for cheaper.
[G1 Android Development] beartard:
Except nobody can re-flash back to Android yet. ;)
[G1 Android Development] sna:
does at&t 3g work the same way as tmo's 3g? so if i got the dream unlock, can it work with att's 3g?
[G1 Android Development] holdencaufield:
No. T-Mobile 3G uses the 1700mhz channel whereas AT&T uses the 850/1900mhz. So unless the G1 supports those channels, it won't work on AT&T.
[G1 Android Development] goodwinm:
Thats definitely a hardware issue. The wing hardware is about two years old, nobody was thinking about Tmobile's 3G at the time. And of course WM will work with 3G, every other carrier in the world has WM devices with 3G radios. HTC even passed a version of the Kaiser through the FCC with 1700 support a few months ago, Tmobile probably didn't bother to pick it up because of the G1 which they wanted to hype up.
[G1 Android Development] LvDisturbed1:
So now that the phone is already out, will anyone look into porting WM to the device?
[G1 Android Development] neiltoe:
I am hoping the same. I enjoy Android so far but as it is I will be swapping my sim card alot. I hope someone gives WM a go with the G1.
[G1 Android Development] SJMES:
Bump! Is it possible?
[G1 Android Development] LvDisturbed1:
Oh, I'm sure its possible...just difficult as hell. People have found the bootloader screen, but can't get usb mode working yet. Now someone needs to make a wm rom built specifically for the dream to utilize certain hardware. Also, spl might need a changing. Ugh...thats a lot of work.
[G1 Android Development] bhang:
just to clarify, the TMob DOES NOT track imei

its stoopid but they don't, I even had 2 phones on the net with the same sim (by mistake, my legal sim,BTW) for maybe 20mins before i realized my mistake and reebooted to the correct sim and nothing happened..

Id say since gsm piracy never, became a big problem in the states they just got lazy, I was able to clone evey sim on my family plan about a year ago and even bougt 4-5 more on fleabay that were also gen1 which was deemed UNSECURE and not to be used like 5 years ago...duh

anyway,

bhang
[G1 Android Development] neiltoe:
Now that all makes sense but it would sure be nice to have a phone that does T-Mobile 3G and windows mobile. I really hope that someone does do it. Right now my G1 is without sim and used with wifi only. I still use my T-Mobile Wing bcause WM is just reliable. I wouldn't mind if the G1/Android functionality growing. I wouldn't mind using android instead of WM if it has as many functions as WM. But right now the G1 is just something to play with but it doesn't leave the house.
[G1 Android Development] gizmo2431:
i myself would also love to see a working version of WM onto the G1 as I want to take advantage of the 3g speed, and at the same time be able to run my applications required for work (that won't run on Android).

not to mention being stuck in a contract... G1 with WM is what I'm hopin for!
[G1 Android Development] LvDisturbed1:
Yeah, I'm hoping for WM on the dream as well. Unfortunately, its probably going to be awhile if at all. Unless we get a dev interested in the project, we can't really move forward in this. Now I know there are some looking to get Android working on other phones such as the Kaiser. Maybe after that project, we can stir up some real interest in this.

Of course, there is always the possibility of Android really kicking off. There seems to be some good developer support already. Sure, there are some issues currently, but they might be fixed with software patches or ROM updates. Hell, there are some apps out on it now that make me a little envious (ShopSavvy, TuneWiki, and Ringdroid for example).
[G1 Android Development] Ryanmo5:
I know we all love wm and there are things I miss a lot but I switched for a reason as I'm sure you all did. I did my share of complaining about g1 but I reminded myself that in 6 months wm will be inferior to android. Just today alone there are over 20 more apps in market, that's in one day! Granted a lot of them suck but hey I can't develope them so kudos to them. Point is while I miss my games from dash and wm for certain things I don't wanna go backwards. I believe android will be second to none very soon and I don't wanna see sliding panels ever again haha.
[G1 Android Development] LvDisturbed1:
I haven't purchased one yet. I probably won't unless WM gets ported. My friend picked one up and I messed around with it for a bit, but there just something about the OS that doesn't click well with me. Only problem is I'm not sure what.
[G1 Android Development] quedijo:
DUDE!!! Please tell me you live in the Bay Area... I need to clone my SIM...

I just got the G1 and I work in HVAC and can't afford to keep my "new" phone in my work van. So all my previous phones have gotten a horrible beating (falling off roof, draged in dirt, etc.)

I have my 2G iPhone and want to keep using that as my work phone (it's badly beating but still working, at least i'll give them that).

I wan't to keep a T-mobile sim in both and just turn off the radio on the one I'm not using...

Reason for the explination? Some one here will tell me something...

Any way, at least some info on how to go about doing so will sufice aswell. Thanx in advance
[G1 Android Development] gizmo2431:
I agree. I emailed a couple of companies that have programs for WM that I would like to see on Android, and the response was pretty much the same...

"We are waiting to see how the market responds to Android and the share it will hold before we develop our software for it."

I'd like to see it take off if that's the case.
[G1 Android Development] beartard:
I know everyone has his hopes up. Keep this in mind:

WM upgrades for other HTC phones are a gray area legally since the phones came with WM pre-installed. Porting WM to the G1 would be illegal. Posting WM ROMs for a G1 here or anywhere else would also be illegal and would get xda-devs in trouble.
[G1 Android Development] gospeed.racer:
Pretty sure it would be against forum rules to post a direct link to dealextreme where you can purchase a sim cloning device with a sim card for about $8 shipped, so I will PM you with it instead:rolleyes:
[G1 Android Development] surur:
You know, these Linux hippies who recently joined XDA-Dev would really hate to have WM on the G1.

I think thats reason enough to do it.

Surur
[G1 Android Development] neoobs:
HAHA I think it would be weird... especially since this is more like the new windows mobile should be... BTW wasn't it supposed to be WM 08? or is it now WM 09?
[G1 Android Development] beartard:
Hippie? I always thought that, with hippies, everything's free and we can do what we want, right? So wanting to port WM to the G1 is the hippie argument in this situation ;)
[G1 Android Development] surur:
One would think so, but it seems the Linux hippies really dont want their "free software" device contaminated with Windows Mobile.

This is really obvious when those people start talking about violating microsoft's license as a reason not to do the port.

Surur
[G1 Android Development] LvDisturbed1:
Crap...he has a point though. I didn't even think about that issue until he brought it up. It would technically be illegal, but its a matter of whether or not Microsoft would take legal action.

Beartard, what about the project for porting Android to WM devices such as the Kaiser? Isn't that the same concept as this? Yet it's being posted on the forums without incident...
[G1 Android Development] neoobs:
Porting android to another device is ok. Similarly to putting linux on a windows computer... but you can't just go around putting windows on any computer you want. Of course with XP and such you have cd keys... with windows mobile I don't think that was a thought.
[G1 Android Development] beartard:
I couldn't care less what you do with the phone you bought. I've used Windows Mobile since 2002. I'm not a hippie. I'm also neither a pirate nor a thief. I really don't care about Microsoft, it's EULAs, or it's software. The reason I posted about this is I don't want this site to get in trouble because some petty cracker breaks the law, thinking he's "developing."

I'd much rather see that same energy put into REAL developing for the G1 and the platform it came with....or for other WM phones.

Microsoft sends out C&D letters to sites all the time, and this one is no exception. Let's not give them any real reason for legal action. Talking about cracking WM for the G1 is fine, as long as it doesn't get into howto mode or ROM-link-sharing. I just wanted to make everyone aware of it before it DID get to that point.
[G1 Android Development] neiltoe:
I would happily pay for a legit copy of WM for the G1 if HTC provided that option. Yea its an Android phone and will most likely stay an Android phone but if the option is available it sure would be nice.
[G1 Android Development] beartard:
Well, neoobs is mostly right. While most parts of Android are free-and-open, parts of the Android platform are proprietary and closed (things related to gmail, myfaves, and other things like that.) Also, certain hardware drivers are closed-source per the manufacturer, and aren't considered part of the platform itself.

So most of Android would be fine on another handset, but from what the average user considers Android to be (as a whole), some parts of it are owned by T-Mobile and some parts by hardware manufacturers. They'd be the ones with legal gripes if it were ported to another phone without approval.

But the flipside is that, since Google have put such a huge marketing campaign into the platform being open (you've heard all the dopes in forums saying "It's open: there'll be a fix for XYZ in two weeks, I'm sure!") they'd be crazy to get into a legal wrangle over a few crackers trying to port it to another handset. It might be another gray area, but I don't see them taking action against it. It won't hurt their bottom line.
[G1 Android Development] surur:
Please get of your high horse. TouchFlo2D and 3D is as proprietary as Windows Mobile 6.1, and HTC has not shut the place down yet.

You are simply spreading FUD, because you dont like the project. Why dont you keep yourself busy in other threads, rather than trying to scare people away from asking for something they want (but you dont).
[G1 Android Development] beartard:
You're a little high-strung, man. Chill out. I'm not the one being argumentative here.

As far as I've seen, there *isn't* a project. My views on whether there should be a project don't matter any more than anyone else's. We're all equals here unless you have a mod or admin tag.

My point is simply this: this isn't the place for such a project to come to be. The mods and admins of this board have said over and over again that warez on here is not allowed. It applies whether someone posts it here on the forums or posts links to other sites containing it. In this case, a WM ROM for the G1 would be warez, plain and simple. The gray area that exists with handsets that came with WM isn't there with the G1. I just wanted to make sure everyone was aware of that before it got to a point where the site might get into trouble over it.

But FUD? Seriously. Fear that xda-devs could get sued by Microsoft over pirated copies of their operating system? Definitely. I happen to love this site. Uncertainty? Not a bit. Doubt? None of that either.
[G1 Android Development] goodwinm:
I, for one, don't want to see WM on the G1. I want to see android improved beyond WM. I am weening myself from wlm/hotmail over to gmail, but I can't say I don't miss batterystatus...
[G1 Android Development] surur:
Dont act stupid. You should know full well the likelihood of MS suing anyone successfully is super-slim. You are spreading FUD amongst others, causing them unnecessarily to fear an evil slapdown by microsoft, making them uncertain whether they should take on the project at all, and spreading doubt amongst the people wanting it.

Take your FUD elsewhere.
[G1 Android Development] beartard:
I'm not acting stupid, man (and I resent the statement.) I also resent you telling me to go elsewhere. That's not your call. You can be civil even if you disagree. I'm not saying all this because I don't want WM on my G1. I'm saying it because it's the truth.

Do what you want to do with your phone. You paid for it. That's your business. If you want to put up a website for your project, that's your call. At least that way, you'd be taking personal responsibility for the project. If you do it here, the site owners are responsible if anything does come from Microsoft. Have some respect for the rules of the guys who run this site so you can use it for free. They've established them. Abide by them. All I'm saying is this isn't the proper place to do a project like this.
[G1 Android Development] surur:
And its the place to rip Samsung's widgets? Or port TouchFlo2D to the Xperia? Or take LG's tabbed interface?

Again, maybe its because you are new here, or more likely you are just playing innocent, but there is nothing special about porting software from one device to another which is not going on at XDA-Developers already.
[G1 Android Development] beartard:
I am not new here. This is a newer account. Don't patronize me. Read the rules for the site. Good example: I've seen multiple links and cabs deleted because they contained MS Voice Command, which didn't come on a particular phone. They're pretty concerned about warez here, man.
[G1 Android Development] surur:
As I said, its likely that you are just pretending not to know how XDA works.

Why dont you tell me the difference between porting WM6 to a WM5 device and porting it to the G1?

Again, stop pretending this would be in any way out of the ordinary. Why dont you tell us what your old user name was, so we can see where you expressed the same views about WM version upgrades in the past.
[G1 Android Development] beartard:
Surur, you weren't told "no" very often as a child, were you? The overreacting is proof.

My username is the same as it always has been. It's just a newer account. Check the Excalibur forums if you want to see my previous posts. Read the Excalibur wiki pages if you want to see what I've done to help WM users in the past.

And as I said before, WM upgrades have always been a gray area since the phone was licensed for Windows Mobile to begin with.

Since the G1 did NOT come with Windows Mobile, there is no gray area. There's no way to justify it, whether you or I want it or not. It's warez, pure and simple. And warez are frowned upon on this site because of even the potential for legal action.

But you don't have to take my word for it:

And if Flar doesn't "know how XDA works" I don't know who does. ;)
[G1 Android Development] surur:
Why dont you stop with the FUD. There is no gray area. Buying a PC with Windows XP never gave you a right to Windows Vista. Same with WM. Yet Microsoft never did anything substantial to XDA. Microsoft would in fact only be too happy if WM ended up on a few Android phones.

Again, stop with the FUD. Written site policy notwithstanding, that is not how XDA works.