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[Touch Pro, Fuze General] JJKameR:
It's been month now that I am using my diamond with no lag or problem on Navigon 7.3.1, iGo 8.3.2 and TomTom 7.9.

Last week I have decided to upgrade iGo to 8.3.2.7 and to configure for TTS.

No problem with the upgrade but afterwards the gps on iGo keeps disconnecting.

The fix is around 1 minute (with GPS ephemerids downloaded) while before it was about 5 seconds and the signal keeps disconnecting every 2 or 3 seconds.

My registry gps tweaks weren't changed:

Under: HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\

- Drivers\GpsOneDevice\PollInterval -> 256 (default is 1000)

- Drivers\InputBufferSize -> 256 (default is 4096)

- Drivers\OutputBufferSize -> 128 (default is 4096)

- Drivers\SleepOnNoData -> 100 (default is 1000)

- Multiplexer\MaxBufferSize -> 256

Navigon 7 is working like a charm (it's really PERFECT).

TomTom 7.9 is working really good.

iGo now keeps losing signal and has random lag surely dued to this issue.

Has anyone other experienced this change in behaviour from 8.3.2.6 to 8.3.2.7?

I will mess around my gps settings to raise the buffer size and see if it will help it.

Thanks in advance!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] crav4speed:
I've been having problems with all versions of iGo8... also did the upgrade to 8.3.2.7 and my GPS sucks the same
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] htcplussony:
Got OCN8 which I guess is iGO8.0? Got a weird problem. The moment .net cf 3.5 is installed, the gps once connected would turn off and on and off ... in OCN8 in about 1 second intervals.

I'm on 5.05 firmware but never installed .net 3.5 on the old one.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] fiuner:
I just got my Touch Pro from repair. They changed the motherboard, but the GPS-lag is still there with original software and current ROMeOS. It is not depending on navigating software either. Same results with TomTom and Google Maps.

I find it very hard to believe that someone has a Touch Pro without the GPS-lag. :(
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] JJKameR:
Well after some testing I have realized that it's not a version or gps issue.

It's the damn fake 3d building feature.

Without 3d buildings I have got no lag at all.

I wonder when they will start to write some decent opengl code instead of messing up with software accelleration.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] crav4speed:
Really??? Did you remove the content from your storage card or did you just disable it under the settings? I will Test tomorrow and report back.

Also tried iGuidance 2009. No 3d stuff but it still exhibits GPS lag.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mindfrost82:
With iGo 8.3.2 with the new 1.12 BS radio with the rilphone.dll for that radio and NATF v4.4, and some reg tweaks, I had sub-1-second speed lag.

I still had 2-3 second speed lag using Garmin, but I think that's because of the screen refresh rate with that program, its not as smooth as iGo.

I also tried iGuidance 2009 and it was between the 2. The refresh rate isn't as smooth as iGo, but it seems to be less than the once-per-second Garmin rate.

EDIT: These are the reg settings I'm using--

PollInterval = 1000

InputBufferSize = 256

OutputBufferSize = 128

SleepOnNoData = 1500

RetryWaitOnError = 1 (I don't think this one has been mentioned before, anyone know what it actually does?)

Mutliplexer MaxBufferSize = 512

MaxLogFileSize = 0

Current & Old Log Files are null

To get these to work in Garmin, I had to set it to 'GPS Intermediate Driver' instead of COM4.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Sleuth255:
See post 400 ;)

Of course, if you have a CDMA Raphael then all bets are off... Test was with GSM version.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] crav4speed:
I do experience the speed lag issue but what's killing me is positional lag. I'll be in the middle of an intersection and the arrow will position me about 2-3 seconds behind approximately at the middle of the block.

iGo does have a faster refresh rate than iGuidance but both exhibit the same positional lag issue and both put me at the same wrong position. I find iGuidance to lock satellites faster and keep them locked whereas iGo has issues and bounces my arrow all over the map.

I've been following this thread since i bought my Fuze and have tried all the reg tweaks. They only seem to make things worse. When I revert to stock reg values, my GPS runs better. Also, it does not matter what you set garmin to use. As long as you have Windows set to manage the GPS automatically and the program port set to com4 under your settings, then you can set Garmin to com4 or GPS Intermediate Driver. Either way, it will always access the GPS Intermediate Driver.

I would love try the new blackstone radio but I'm not security unlocked so I'm stuck with raph radios for now. I'm using the latest raph radio and although I get faster locks, the positional lag still sucks.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Sleuth255:
If you have a new fuze (GSM Raphael) then you have a good shot at removing positional lag.

Run a rom that supports the newer GPS drivers

Radios don't improve positional lag, only acquisition time so ralph radios will work fine

Run the reg settings defined here

Use TomTom (you'll know if you have the correct rom b/c it will recognize the built-in gps receiver)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] s00perbrat:
Used GPS with both Wayfinder and now Garmin mobile XT and both exhibit the lag. Also will sometimes show my position as on the slipway instead of on the freeway where these 2 roads run next to each other.

Have applied the Advanced config tweaks.

Same ROM with both pieces of software. 1.90.421.1 WWE dated 08/03/08
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] fiuner:
I have a GSM version. Yeah, I know that some people have a Touch Pro without the GPS-lag, but seeing that I can't get rid of it by changing software or hardware, I still find it hard to believe :D.

It is not end of the world though. Now that I have gotten used to the lag, I can navigate pretty easily. I think it is more of a perfection thing than a real problem. Of course if you need navigation daily, it would be a bigger problem.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kirakira:
What are those gps drivers you are talking about ?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] HTC Chris:
i swear im going crazy over this gps lol. I changed my settings to this http://blog.mohdimran.com/2008/11/htc-touch-pro-gps-problem-tweaking.html Did not work right way, but after a few soft resets and letting my phone sit for satellites i finally found them :confused:

inconsistent though :(
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Sleuth255:
The first versions appeared in a Diamond Test ROM and were quickly incorporated into Da-G's (and others) Roms. I'm running a derivative of the ROM listed in my sig that had these.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] fiuner:
Does anyone know if these drivers are in ROMeOS v1.81.1, or were they added to that recent ROM update from HTC?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] fusi:
im woefully disappointed with thishandset - came from a kaiser (this raph came on insurance) and i wanted a kaiser but t-mobile dont have any left apparently. ive been siting here watching it try to find satelites for >2 hours now. this handset is a peice of sh*t. so many flaws. the kaiser didnt have hw gfx accel but at least it worked. and dont get me started on the sh*tty software.

hyper angry and feeling raped.

boo htc - i thought you might of listened after the kaiser drivers - clearly not.

im going to sell this brick and get a real phone that WORKS (aka not a htc).

</vent>

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edit:

sorry about that vent, i was being a bit hard on it - its not so bad i suppose - it actually found some satellites in the end! ..after *literally* 3 hours :/
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] crav4speed:
hmm... I didn't know that. I guess I have no choice but to flash a new rom. I tried disabling the 3D stuff in iGo but I'm sill getting positional lag. I was kinda happy with the stock at&t rom which is why I didn't upgrade sooner and just thought I'd wait for a stable 6.5 rom. Oh well...

Thanks sleuth :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Sleuth255:
To improve acquisition time you need to flash a better radio ROM. Blackstone radios are the absolute best for just about everything IMO but you'll need to unlock to flash them.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mindfrost82:
The newest 1.12 Blackstone radio has been great for me so far. I also used the rilphone.dll file for that radio (only try this if your ROM supports it).

Its given me the fastest GPS locks, the excellent Blackstone call quality I've had from all their radios, good signal, etc. I think the 1.09.25.35 gave me a little better battery life, but wasn't as good in the other areas.

Overall I must say that the Blackstone radios have been my favorite of ALL the radios I've tried, especially in terms of call quality on Edge.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] fusi:
thanks for the suggestions guys, ill see about unlocking my handset (sim unlock right?) and flash a blackstone radio (currently using stock 1.02.25.19 - yuk)

cheers!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mindfrost82:
NO, to flash a radio from another phone you need to be

Security Unlocked

. You can be SIM unlocked as well if you want, but at the tri-color screen it needs to have a white bar that says "Security Unlocked" at the top, otherwise you'll get an error and it won't work.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] itchytweed:
My Fuze/Raphael has in it the stock radio - 1.02.25.32. What I plan on doing, for the benefit of the group, is to do a test. Since all I have around my place is bare trees, this will help. I am going to use TGPS 2.x and record a fixed, repeatable path, consisting of an entrance to a loop that will do three circuits around, with snap corners at all turns, with one end of the loop getting longer and the other end being traced over all the time. I can then import that into my GIS program to display the loop. I will also have SUPL AGPS disabled.

Since my unit is not security unlocked, which is the latest 1.11 radio that I can put into the unit. I will then run the same track and compare the two with the same registry settings in the GIS program and check for errors.

My personal belief is that the GPS software should not be filtering the software, just putting out the raw data and let the user decide on any filtering. The positional delay on startup and position lag, even at walking is annoying when doing geocaching.

Also, when starting up this unit cold in the standalone option - no AGPS support, I am finding that the GPS is spitting out an erroneous constellation listing almost all satellites until it gets a good lock then the constellation display changes to something totally different. It appears that my unit is not storing the almanac/ephemeris and consulting it on startup. Not a good thing and poor design.

-- Itchytweed
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Sleuth255:
Yep. Saw this too. 16 slots listed with invalid PRNs loaded at startup. Then it would find one bird and start downloading ephemeris data. Once complete, the whole constellation would change. Lock would follow soon after. Classic cold start.

FWIW, it seems to be Radio ROM related since this behavior changed for me when I went to a blackstone radio. It appears to be able to inject almanac data from QuickGPS to get a warm start more often.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] itchytweed:
GPS test using leaked ROM/1.12.25.19 radio

I've done two things since my last post. 1) Did a run in the car recording every second and putting it into my GIS program, and 2) An accuracy test by letting the Fuze occupy a landmark.

1) Positional lag is down to about one second (can't really complain unless you use adaptive feed-forward). Running iGuidance v.3 is now usable. I get the turn alarms where they need to be, not after the fact. Speed lag on decel is still there, running about 2 - 3 seconds. On startup, the speed lag is one second (one sample). I can buy that. Plus, at stop, I am getting distributed points instead of one point so it appears that at zero speed, there is no "static navigation", just zero speed being sent out. I would think that if your point moved, you would have a speed associated with it so I can't buy the zero speed output - still not right.

2) I have an NGS benchmark station near where I work. So I let the phone occupy the mark for about ten minutes. I should have gone 30 minutes but my schedule didn't allow for it. I sat the phone right on top of the brass marker (no carping on multipath issues please) and did the recording. I found that my results were off by about 2.5 meters from the reference. Ideally, I should do three-four occupations when the constellations are ideal and very low DOP's are present, but I don't have that luxury. I know that the environment around me was affecting the readings with multipath because I was keeping track of passing vehicles and their times and I could see the abberations in the data when they passed by (give me choke ring antennae and a Thales ProMark 3 RTK system).

I would say that HTC has made improvement in the software but it has a good way to go. There should be no speed averaging / integration, there should be speed out when the vehicle is stopped and the measured point moved (speed should be one sample behind, no more). All this is in the radio software and no where else.

One more comment about HTC, it appears that their drive is put out the product to meet a hard deadline, not put out a quality, accurate product and let the deadline slip. IMNOHO, very poor form. Sad thing is, there are SO many companies that use this model. Too bad.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] AkumaMax:
delete delete delete
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] AkumaMax:
hmm this is weird I have been using the Newest TT7 navigation with new maps. I am running NATF's 4.4 rom it has a program called GPS test. Load that up takes about 2-5min depending on programs running and how bad the weather is. When it is loaded it usually finds satellites within a matter of seconds(unless Cloudy). After it finds the satellites I minimize that program(or you can close it), I keep it this way just in case my TT GPS software cannot keep a trace on the satellites. I have my TT options set to the stock Built in GPS receiver and have very little problems with this setup. Before The Rom I used NEMA GPS setup and baud rate at stock( i think 4800). Pretty good results didn't ever loose a signal but my major test is Lower whacker drive downtown. I have my TomTom 920T that even looses signal down there but uses an EPT system to go off my speed.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] coa00kt:
Gpsone lag (temporary solution from lag)

Dear Sirs or Madams

The GPSone Solution is not a GPS classic Chip (Unfortunately). Although it is NMEA 0183 Compliant. Which means : it works at Baud Rate :4800, Update Rate :1 Hz (1sec), Data Bits:8, Parity :None, Stop Bits:1 and Handshake :None.

If u check with Htc Nadavi GpsTool u will see that the chip sends:

$GPGSV,3,1,09,03,63,307,23,06,77,314,25,16,35,208, 21,18,48,052,19*74

$GPGSV,3,2,09,19,30,310,18,21,29,066,24,22,78,133, 22,14,14,150,*75

$GPGSV,3,3,09,15,02,032,*47

$GPGGA,182052.2,3723.449320,N,02453.208294,E,1,07,1.3,50.9,M,0,M, ,*4D

$GPVTG,nan,T,,M,0.0,N,0.0,K,A*42

$GPRMC,182052.2,A,3723.449320,N,02453.208294,E,0.0 ,,300908,,,A*44

$GPGSA,A,3,03,06,16,18,19,21,22,,,,,,2.3,1.3,1.9*3 9

$PSTIS,*61

This are 8 NMEA sentences. Refering to (http://www.gpsinformation.org/dale/nmea.htm), each line of NMEA data can reach 82 characters. Therefore at 4800 where the GPSone can manage should only send 480 characters (Which is Maximum 5 lines of NMEA).

In order to achieve that there is only one way :

GPSgate: http://franson.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4236

Since then I managed to have 5 lines of NMEA (MC,SA,SV)trasmitted to my GPS Software and I am experiencing very good navigation, without lag (only height is missing).

Sincerelly Yours

Konstantinos Tsatsos
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] karloe:
Details as in the Wiki for the Dutch T-mobile ROM ;)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ice_coffee:
I used my GPS for the first time last night, im using an older version of tomtom 6 and could not notice any real issues, I have made no modifications to the registry, but I am using ROMeOS v1.12 I only got my TP on saturday, it is an 837K model
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] GenghisZ:
I'm surprised reading all this negative comments, because +/- 2 weeks ago I flashed to DCS v15, and started using GPS frequently.

At first I took my TomTom One v2 with me, and used it together with my Touch Pro, to check if I could notice any lag issues.

I did not change anything that is GPS related in the register, but I keep QuickGPS up to date (also A-GPS I think, but not sure how to check that ;-) ).

Anyway, getting a sattelite fix on my TP was 5 seconds faster then on my TomTom, so no issue here (it took around 20-25 seconds).

The screen and voice are IDENTICAL, it was actually very funny to see the map and hear the voices in sync :)

The only strange thing I noticed, was that when I stop the car, my TomTom shows a speed of 0 km/h in like 2 seconds, but my TP shows 3 km/h in 2 seconds, and after another 2 seconds it goes to 0 km/h, altough the blue triangle stays put.

On the other hand: While accelerating from 0-140km/h, I did not see any speed differences between my TomTom and TP.

I have no clue on why I have no problems, but I am very pleased with my GPS @ TP. Yesterday I even tried it in Brussels (big buildings, no open sky, etc etc) and my TP had better reception then my TomTom v2!

During the 2 weeks of extensive testing (TP plugged into power, TP on battery, TP on dashboard, TP on backseat, TP in car (Ford) with QuickClear windshield!!, TP in hand while walking, etc etc) I did not encounter any lag or long fix time.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] MenosOcho:
I was reading several post and my doubts is about of tweaks of first post..

It supposed work only if you've selected the "GPS Intermediate Drive" inside of GPS software (TomTom or Garmin Mobile XT) or it work too if you use direct connection to COM4?

I use Garmin Mobile XT and i get better signal if i use COM4, but i'm experiencing the same lag..
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ice_coffee:
I am using com 4 and quick GPS, for some reason Agps kept making me drop my connection
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] private69:
For GPS probleme

Hello,

To force HTC to resolved the probleme of GPS is to phone to HTC, Mail to HTC, and write an article of bad performance of GPS like we wrote in the past whith our TYTN II (Probleme Video driver) and write in all revues.

http://www.htcclassaction.org/

@++++
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Flying Kiwi:
Spreading the word

But in the end you know what they say about leading a horse to water :rolleyes:

For anyone who's considering buying the Touch Pro, perhaps their best option is to contact HTC using a choice from all the above methods of communication to get the required updates on what HTC is doing to resolve the problem. I certainly wouldn't make any purchasing moves though until after any supposed fix has been released and positively reviewed to fix the problem fully. I was told on more than one occasion by HTCs tech support, when the TyTN II video driver debarkle was at its peak and they were getting loads of complaints, that they'd provide video acceleration drivers for the device in the future but look what happened. On a premium 'flagship' product like the Touch Pro it's a disaster that GPS problems have followed on from its predecessor the TyTN II with WM 6.1 ROM.

If sales are seriously affected on this high priced/higher profit model, then maybe they'll listen and be more responsive towards fixing the issues.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] private69:
Contact The press

Hello,

Today i write Severals Mails to severals Press :

BoyGeniusreport

AsiaCNET

Daily Tech

The Inquirer

Coolsmartphone

ETC.....

May be they wrote An article of Bad Performance GPS on all Diamond and touch Pro.

@++++
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] MenosOcho:
That's my concern, the tweks seems to fix if you use "Intermediate Driver"

BTW, how do you know that AGPS is active?

I don't find the option in my TP.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ice_coffee:
I don't know about the ROM you are using, but on ROMeOS, you can choose to turn it on and off (like I said mine is off)

Start --> settings --> (choose SYSTEM tab at the bottom)--> AGPS icon top center

What I love about this, is how fast it is, coming from an athena and a universal with intel CPU's and crap video acceleration it is such a breath of fresh air to have TOMTOM start in >5seconds and also when it is re-routing it is SOOOOOOO fast compared to me previous devices, I always assumed that the TOMTOM peeps deliberately caused the poor performance on WM devices so the could justify their standalone units, but im using the same old version of S/ware and it works perfectly, I guess it was just crappy WM devices.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Upquark:
Just wondering: is there anybody who has their Touch Pro sent in for repair for this problem? The lag is really making me so sick, and I'm willing to lose the phone for a couple of weeks if it would help...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] topspeclt:
I used TT7 (7.451 Sep update) without QuickGPS (out-of-date). Here's what I noticed:

The time to fix before was around 10 secs now it's around 2-3 mins (because of the out-of-date QuickGPS I suppose).

I travelled around 6 miles in and around town and guess what? No lag. The position was spot on throughout the journey.

I didn't try IGo8 because I didn't have the guts to disturb my 'joy'.

I'll report back if the situation changes but it looks like my problem with TT car nav may be solved.

ROM:1.90.405.1 WWE

Radio:1.02.25.19

TT7: Build 7.451

Maps and Prog on Storage card (8gb Sandisk ultra).

QuickGPS: OUT-OF-DATE

Journey: 6 miles

Journey type: Town traffic

Soft Reset: No

Other Radio Comms Open?: Yes, Phone.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] stief:
build 5400?

Where did you find it.

The latest I kan find is 7.450.9030
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] topspeclt:
Have you tried your version with out-of-date QuickGPS?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] kHiTe:
When i first used Google Maps on the Touch Pro it got my location right to the exact parking space. Next day I needed to drive somewhere by a back route and it wouldn't connect at all.

This morning I had nine satellites. This afternoon couldn't get a lock. This evening it is working perfectly.

Really frustrating.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ronh:
Me 2.

Just sent an email to the product responsible in Holland.

(Met him at a conference of another forum in Holland)

I'm wondering whether this HTC is familiar with these probs, and what they intend to do.

Keep U posted.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] stief:
Yep,

Got a fix very soon tough (10 sec) but the lag (about 15 meters) is still there.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] NetRipper:
I have not seen a difference in GPS lag with or without outdated QuickGPS. Only that the fix is a lot slower when QuickGPS is outdated. Luckily my GPS lag is not unusuable, it's just annoying.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] danielherrero:
I wonder if they test their products before sell them. And even worst, they know the poor performance but dont worry about it....:confused:
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] kHiTe:
When working I get a few meters lag, but nothing compared to Tom Tom 6 running with an external GPS on my old Treo.

May try charging the external GPS box and using that for driving instead of the internal GPS.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] NLS:
Kosta it is not necessary to have the baud set at 4800. This chip (although still 1Hz) can handle much faster baud. I have all my programs set to 115200 (except those that can't, where I drop to 57600 or 38400).
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] nnandan:
Thank You

HI I am a new user of Windows Mobile. Plus the first HTC Touch pro. It was so difficult finding the GPS does not work and even though O2 patch installed it didn't work. Fianlaly your step A resolved the issue. Again modified TCPMP was a great tool from you guys to work on windows mobile 6.1. Deeply thankfull.

Regards,

Nikesh
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ennepi:
I actually have the Off. ROM 5.05 and 1.12.25.19 Off. Radio.

What do you think are the best GPS settings?

In external GPS COM 4 and Baud 115.200?

And what about the settings directly in the programs (TTN, iGO8)?

Com 4 and 115.200?

Thanks
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] paypalbid:
if you use TomTom go to settings/configure GPS/Other NMEA GPS REceiver/38400 baud rate

COM4