yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Touch HD General] crobs808:
You forget that it costs them 50 cents to make these things. In actuality, the total production cost of one of these phones might surprise you. For example, my phone is a XV-6800, which sells for $280 new, and $200 on ebay used. It cost HTC around $50-$60 to make it. Of course they have incentive to constantly make new phones...you see, they dont care who buys what phones, or what phones get traction in the market...they are making a 400% profit or more on every sale, and even a 200% or more profit on sales to resellers. Why do you think HDTV's back in 2000 cost $10,000 dollars? lol...and now that same TV is $800 (which is still double what it costs to make)

Sometimes I think that people really believe that electronics companies struggle with sales, lol...Electronics is one of the most mesmerizing things to the public, why do you think they charge so much for stuff that costs them less than half to produce? when's the last time a huge electronics company/seller went out of business? It is rare.
[Touch HD General] surur:
This is of course inaccurate. While the Bill of Materials is low, its not that low. The T-Mobile G1 $144, and for the Touch HD I expect, with its 800x480 screen, it will be significantly higher.

And of course the BOM is only one part of the cost of a smartphone. There is the labour costs, the capital cost of the facility to produce it, the marketing etc.

E.g. if you make and sell cookies, each cookie costs cents in flour, but your time in making it and the packaging will all add a lot more to the cost.

I believe in reality margins are only around 30% and dropping, due to price pressure from Apple. TechFaith Wireless, who is in the same smartphone business as HTC, is only having 18% margins.

Of course these margins are a lot better than the 2-3% many commodity industries make, but they are not amazingly high.

Even Microsoft's margins are only 80%, and all they make is the CD.

Surur
[Touch HD General] p3ngwin:
erm...

G1 has 320 x 480 screen.
[Touch HD General] surur:
Sorry, I meant even the Touch HD, with its obviously more expensive screen...

Surur
[Touch HD General] cktlcmd:
I have to disagree. Why do you think most of them are located in China, Taiwan...Asia...????

Because cost of parts and labor are REALLY CHEAP. You will be surprised by how much. Trust me. :(
[Touch HD General] fabgaytc:
Problema en modo suspendido Htc touch hd

Bueno ya hace ratillo estoy buscando solucionar este problema y necesito de ayuda. Lo que pasa es cuando pongo mi HTC Touch en modo suspendido(presionando brevemente el boton de encender/apagar), se apaga la pantalla normal y sigue parpadeando la luz verde, pero no entran llamadas ni resive mensajes, tengo que hacerle un softreset. Alguien que me ayude a solucionarlo porque ya estoy harto con esta gastadera de bateria. Me dijeron que podria ser la Rom entonces alguien que me de una Rom mas nueva que la WM6.1 para mi Pda. Por favor se los pido. Gracias.

Saludos.
[Touch HD General] Noonski:
Please Post in English or If in Italian try using a Translation to English.

http://www.freetranslation.com/
[Touch HD General] ak123ak:
can any body help me pls :

my phone htc touch hd .... does not work ..no display

need fast help ...thanks
[Touch HD General] amiriba:
my htc blachston is dead and diden,t connect to pc .

how should i do?
[Touch HD General] tanbin:
should i buy?

helo experts... need your advice... i m thinking of buying a used HTC touch HD from a friend. it's cheap... around $210. please advice me, if i should buy this phone?

another thing, I hard that i can install android in this phone. is this true? how is the performance in android?

waiting for ur reply... thanks.:)
[Touch HD General] Chef_Tony:
although being a proud owner of this device, i actually wouldn't advise you to buy it.

1. 210$ is too much. have a look at ebay, here they go for 90-180eur depending on their condition and accessories. i guess that the same goes for your country,

2. android is still not a windows mobile replacement. currently, it can only be installed to the sd card, runs relatively slow and not all the hardware works.

3. there are new and better android devices coming out every month, so newer android versions and apps will soon require stronger hardware, and the blackstone is very slow as it is and couldn't keep up with that.

4. the same goes for windows mobile. while the stock rom of winmo 6.1 with touchflo3d 1.3 runs pretty fast, winmo 6.5 or newer with newer versions of manila or sense are not very fast. also, most wvga apps for winmo are made for the hd2 and require a faster cpu.

5. there is almost no more app development for winmo apart from this community and even microsoft dropped their support (marketplace and myphone).

it is a nice phone as it is but don't expect it to be future proof
[Touch HD General] tanbin:
Thanks a lot Chef_Tony... :) not buying the phone... :)
[Touch HD General] sonus:
Its kind of funny that HTC went and approached the iPhone issue by explicitly not producting iPhone clones, only to eventually have those phones eventually become more and more iphone like.

not iphone>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>iphone clone

HTC Touch>HTC Diamond>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>HTC Touch HD
[Touch HD General] netnerd:
is this correct? no 850/1900 3G for USA!

now i can get a spare battery for sony x1 since i going to keep it for awhile!
[Touch HD General] nemets:
3.5mm headset jack on the top!

Wow! Finally!
[Touch HD General] pidsw:
looks like the screen will be close to 4" based on those specs and that design (there is very little empty space on the face).

The athena is a great size for a mini tablet with its 5" but has a fair bit more more area than any of these phones in the comparision as it is more square.

I think that the whole touch concept has its place, but about two thirds of what I do is faster with many buttons, a dpad and a Keyboard (i.e. Titan, Kaiser, etc).

Between the Titan, IPhone and the Omnia, I would say that - from a practical standpoint - the Titan is the most efficient of the three but the Omnia is the smallest and most "fun".

RIM was a real innovator with the blackberry. While I don't particularly like their devices, the scoll + buttons UI is remarkably powerful and fast.
[Touch HD General] :
Screen is 3.8''
[Touch HD General] p3ngwin:
the screen size hasn't been confirmed has it?

how do you know it "beats" those phones?

the case size is almost identical to the iphones, so if the screen is the same size it would be 3.5", but....we don't know the size of the screen.
[Touch HD General] p3ngwin:
"Camcorder: 320x240 pixels , 30frame/sec"

WHAT?!

you have GOT to be ****ing me!

why the hell have HTC got such lousy video recording?

before i saw this i was in the market for a replacement for my Universal that was going to be an Xperia X1, a "snapdragon" or "android" platform device.

i see this thing and think "beautiful, finally a screen worthy to succeed the Universal's.......waitaminute.....QVGA video recording?

if the Xperia X1 can do 800*480@30fps in 2 formats (3GP & H.263), then why the hell have the diamond, and now this been software crippled to such a degree?

it must be software because the Xperia X1 runs the SAME CPU and manages.

so what's up HTC?
[Touch HD General] jellyme:
And where is the built-in stylus? I don't see it in the specs. One of the reasons the omnia is a no-no.

Can't imagine using a spreadsheet without a stylus. Drawing, scribbling etc, in fact all of the advantages of the current HTC phones with non capacative screens, are thereby lost. Drawing with a finger is just stupid.

Hope the old screen type is kept!
[Touch HD General] p3ngwin:
4" screen, excellent. if this is confirmed (this is preliminary info from PDADB.NET after all), then i think i can live with the QVGA video recording.

the Xperia X1 took it's sweet time to get released, but finally looks like it's happening the end of this month for Europe and Asia.....but it's too late.

i just dropped the X1 off my list, that leaves this device, a "snapdragon", or an "android" device to choose from.

technically it's possible to have BOTH snapdragon AND android. HTC is confirmed to be making Android devices, and also confirmed to be making snapdragon devices too.
[Touch HD General] christonge:
Very nice... I never use the scroll wheel on the Diamond and that screen looks fantastic. 5MP camera and standard headphone socket make it my dream device. I suppose I should wait and see what happens with Andriod but this is going to be hard to resist!!! :p
[Touch HD General] p3ngwin:
you can always flash Android to your device :)
[Touch HD General] dsm52:
I'm guessing that HTC is under pressure from the networks to get an iPhone clone out as soon as possible. I know loads of people who've left their exisiting network to get an iPhone..
[Touch HD General] halorin:
That definitely makes sense, but they had to have been developing this phone for a while. In my opinion, this phone makes the Diamond look like a quick cash-in, which is really what the Diamond did to the Touch Cruise.

I'd be mad if I were an independent reseller who bought a shipment of Diamonds at some amount of money only to see this come out a couple of months later. The only way those Diamonds are going to sell now is if they axe the price considerably, which is something they've already done with the Cruise.

Sure electronics lose value over time. That's to be expected. But I don't even think the Diamond's been out for 3 months globally yet and there's something in the pipeline by the end of this year that renders that 700-900 dollar purchase obsolete.
[Touch HD General] Menneisyys:
3.8" (at least)
[Touch HD General] unclesomebody:
HTC could always do what Sony Ericsson do. Announce a phone about 12/18 months before it's release date then give every single retailer time to shift the old units whilst everyone holds on for the latest and greatest. The problem is, people aren't willing to wait anymore. Upgrading your phone every 6 months isn't such a ridiculous concept if you want to be on the bleeding edge. I've been through a whole host of phones in the past couple of months, none of them worth keeping though!
[Touch HD General] christonge:
Check this out http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=941 they say 4"!!! :eek:
[Touch HD General] orb3000:
Really?

Can you explain how? or post a thread

Thanks in advance
[Touch HD General] p3ngwin:
it's not official obviously, as Android hasn't even been released yet. but it shows that people are already able to hack and play with it, which Google and the rest of the companies backing the project encourage seeing as it's the whole point of open source,etc.

Android beta running on Nokia N810:

http://www.lifeatmost.com/software/how-to-install-google-android-to-nokia-n810/

Andoid beta running on Qtek 9090:

http://htcsource.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=193&Itemid=30

Android running on HTC TYTN:

http://www.mediabistro.com/mobileap...android_on_your_htc_tytn_smartphone_91792.asp
[Touch HD General] tramuyo:
this device looks so sexy, State-of-the-art technology... Diamond really sucks!!

lets wait for a real High Definition on HTC... HTC TOUCH HD
[Touch HD General] p3ngwin:
what you described is EVERYTHING in the world that is a "product" sold by a company.

there will always be another product, an evolution of the same line/series or a new line targeting different demographics with different features/pricepoints.

if we all waited to get the next thing and bever actually bought anything, we'd all be using 286 PC's, Motorolla DynaTAC 8000X's and using the 1st ever product from all companies...never upgrading.

as for HTC cannibalizing sales from the Diamond, why would they be worried that some people won't buy a diamond because they would by this TOUCH HD?

that would mean people are buying a more expensive device from the same company?

HTC would be laughing to the bank!
[Touch HD General] zocster:
Loving the specs

Let's wait for the reviews :D I so want one! :D
[Touch HD General] frenchglen:
Lovely! With TouchPal, you don't need a silly chunky qwerty keyboard anyway.

I certainly hope THIS is the phone that they let sit in the market for a little while and compete with the iPhone. Still, I'm going to wait until *at least* the successor to this phone comes out, to upgrade from my TyTN - I just can't afford it.
[Touch HD General] Kael:
And with Schap's UI, it will defenitely rock some ... :D

rahhh i'm now bursting apart...

buy the Touch Pro, wait for the Touch HD, bribe HTC to bring out the Touch Pro HD :p (you know... the HD with the keyboard lol)

I dunno what to do !!
[Touch HD General] badaas:
at last, ive been umming and ahhhing between omnia,pro,innov8, almost went back to symbian innov8 just for a break, but the HD might just make me wait over the X1, yummmmmmmmm.
[Touch HD General] Ruudfood:
With a bit of luck this will be my next phone. Hope Vodafone get it soon after release.
[Touch HD General] galaxys:
latest rumors: probably be available in the USA at the end of December with AT&T...we can only hope!

http://htchd.com/rumors//
[Touch HD General] crazian:
$1100....?!

$200 with AT&T...?!?!?!

well then this isn't an inexpensive iPhone substitute anymore...

I'd buy a Core 2 Quad gaming PC with $1100....
[Touch HD General] p3ngwin:
you don't have one yet ?

:)

<smiles as he looks at his OC'd Q9300 based rig>
[Touch HD General] badaas:
/me falls off his chair
[Touch HD General] thecalip:
People paid over 1k for the iphone, and this one has much better specs. Of course, Apple has better marketing.
[Touch HD General] magius:
But how are we supposed to carry that PC in our pockets? :D

Seriously, this phone seems to be great. So far the only thing that worries/annoy me are the battery (1350?) and the crappy video capture, other than that this will replace my current phone.
[Touch HD General] Foxfirebass:
http://htchd.com/news/bad-news-for-us-subscribers-htc-hd-tri-band-only-12-09-08/

I was excited when you posted that, and then saw that it's Tri-band. :((((

My family was planning on changing from US Cellular to AT&T and if AT&T is REALLY going to pick up this phone, even if it's early Q1...I may either convince my parents to hold up OR I'll go phone-less (god forbid) for a while.
[Touch HD General] galaxys:
Hang in there, hopefully they will come to thier senses with a usa quad-band 3G world device!

more HD rumor stuff: http://htchd.com/rumors/
[Touch HD General] mike freegan:
Why do HTC keep making these multimedia phones without a flash on the camera? The only justification for having such a huge brick in your pocket is that it saves you carrying around several slightly smaller bricks :P

Obviously phones still aren't in a position to replace a proper camera to take on holiday or do photography with, so the only thing phone cameras with their tiny lenses are good for is taking photos when you're out and about with your mates - usually in poorly lit pubs and clubs.

I know an LED flash isn't spectacular, but in those situations it really does make all the difference. The ones on the N95/Sony Ericsson devices are actually really effective.
[Touch HD General] kien:
no need for rumours, its on the htc site http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=64790 :)
[Touch HD General] p3ngwin:
excellent find! so with a leak in the last week, and not just a few pics, but almost FULL specs already, then the official HTC site having it exposed.....the Xmas release date seems to be a very real possibility.

the HTC site didn't seem to mention a release date, but after this incredibly quick leak-to-official status, i can believe the Xmas release date is a reality.

we can already deduce the performance of the Qualcomm CPU running on a WVGA screen by looking at the Xperia X1. that performs just fine, and with unfinished hardware/software too!

so all that's needed t know is a battery assessment and i'm happy to get one, unless a "snapdragon" or "android" platform device comes out quick to top this ?
[Touch HD General] borce_razor:
This will be the best HTC in the world. But only D-Pad is missing:(
[Touch HD General] Menneisyys:
Judging from the (computer-generated?) photos, it won't have stereo speakers, as opposed to what the pdadb.net page ( http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1469 ) have stated for some days. This is certainly bad news - after having used the in wide stereo mode *excellent* speakers of the Nokia N95, I don't want anything worse when playing back stuff while walking or while just resting after the sauna or swimming. Why HTC can't understand the multimedia features of their phones are still lacking?

Another point is the lack of any kind of physical lens protection. If the camera turns out to be at least as good as that of the N95, NOT providing a lens protector is a cardinal mistake...
[Touch HD General] Wishmaster89:
Omnia has the same camera as n95 or maybe even better and still samsung didn't put any lens cover...
[Touch HD General] RideTheTube:
The most important thing for me is that the TouchHD has the opportunity to upgrade to WM7
[Touch HD General] Kael:
gniiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii :D:D

Why wait for darn december... so terrible, nerve twiching...

they play with my mental health :p
[Touch HD General] galaxys:
That would be the iceing on the cake!! :) Stereo speakers would also be a plus!

Hope it is concidered by HTC & MS...
[Touch HD General] DarthMob:
god damn htc f****

ordered my diamond two days before the press released the hd.

now "i want that one"...

i'm that close to giving up communication all together! i guess i'll be moving in the near forest with a bongo-drum - THAT is more relaxing than buying a new mobile... :-/
[Touch HD General] mjridore:
I was waiting for US connectivity for the Touch Pro but screw that... It has the AT&T bands on the htc website... I think this may be my dream phone
[Touch HD General] Louis:
Oh Yeah ! Looking good, I think I see some rubber kinda material on the back, so it's not so slippery as the Diamond.
[Touch HD General] JanDaMan:
this is one hot phone, and i have a diamond lol

http://www.trustedreviews.com/mobil...rms-Touch-HD--Touch-3G--amp--Viva-Handsets/p1

its bigger than my diamond - looks to be a more direct competitor to the iphone with the larger screen.
[Touch HD General] christonge:
Looks fantastic... I´m afraid I won´t be able to help myself and I´ll have to get one. Shame I´ll have to wait almost 3 months :eek:
[Touch HD General] Menneisyys:
there won't be stereo speakers, unfortunately... I just udon't understand why HTC aren't implementing so great a speaker system as in the N95...
[Touch HD General] leaskovski:
Well devicewire has it listed as a November 10th release. :D
[Touch HD General] ofaessler:
Did anyone find sth about the display (scratch restistant) in the offical news? Although I think it should have one, as the diamond has...

I will base my decision to buy it on that and the possibility to upgrade to WM7... patience is what we need ;-)
[Touch HD General] amad99:
Updated Website

http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx

More phones.....
[Touch HD General] blahzay_blah:
when is this phone available
[Touch HD General] galaxys:
Looks like they removed the Touch HD for some reason? Must not be ready to advertize it yet...
[Touch HD General] scorpion66:
No joystick = no games either Java or PPC hich is a shame as i love to whip out my Touch for a quick blast or a game of Tetris.

It looks very smart but how many £££ is this one going to cost? I got lucky and got a new white HTC Touch for just £150 from Orange without a contract. Bet it will be a long time before this new baby is that cheap. Thing is most people change phones yearly and the prices are now getting out of control even with contracts. I am going back to a brick phone -check out the size of its screen!
[Touch HD General] scorpion66:
HTC are doing yet antoher new phone the Touch Viva anounced on their web site today - this looks like a poor mans HD!
[Touch HD General] buggybug0:
Does anyknow if I buy this phone (or any other things taxable) from a UK retailer, do i have to pay the retailer VAT? or US government tax (when the item crosses the border)? or Both? what other costs are involved by buying the phone from UK and ship it to US ? (other than the obvious shipping fees).

thanks,

bb

oh right, price of touch hd ranges from 495 ~ 525 ex. VAT or 582 ~ 605 inc. VAT.

http://www.clove.co.uk/viewProduct....category=591602F7-C32B-44D8-859D-F9230F032E7E
[Touch HD General] sonus:
LOL, riiiiiight. I seriously doubt that HTC will give us WM7 upgrades. The Touch Cruise in your picture doesn't even have a WM6.1 upgrade, and it was released maybe 3-4 months before WM6.1 was released.

Furthermore, I could easily see WM7 requiring major hardware revamping. They will more than likely need plentiful ROM storage (not a separate memory store like the Diamond has either) for the new OS. The iPhone OS takes about 600-700MB, and MS intends to make something better than Apple (I hope), so expect an even bigger OS. Plus I wouldn't be suprised if WM7 needed specific light sensors, g-sensors, motion sensors, etc. And who knows? Maybe WM7 might even require capacitative screens. Point is there are way to many variables to bank on an (official) WM7 port.
[Touch HD General] p3ngwin:
the WinMo 7 hardware requirements are for minimum 256MB ROM devices.

that means you will NOT be able to flash WinMo 7 to anything with less. (even a 128MB "upgraded" Universal is out of luck, as that has the Ram, not ROM modified)

the operating system will not be "more than apple's 600+ megs"

it also means that anyone here that enjoys cooking roms will one day be able to hack a version to run on some devices it wasn't meant to, just like the Universal has been kept alive for 3 years now with WinMo 6....which was never released officially for it.
[Touch HD General] sonus:
That's good news that at least some of our devices may be upgradeable, but how do you know all this information? Any more details or info or pics that you'd be kind enough to share?
[Touch HD General] Pooper:
Isn't Windows Mobile 7 not due out until the end of 2009 anyway? Bit early to be thinking about the upgrades surely? :P
[Touch HD General] ~~Tito~~:
Damn. . .HTC has grown up a bit since I was gone!

Jesus Christ. . . That phone is god like. .

I need it now. . . . . I just want to touch it and flash and mess with it until I get it how I want it. . .No more iPhone for me!(Was thinking of getting a 3G but Nah!)
[Touch HD General] ofaessler:
What about this "stock/quotes" widget you can see in the pictures (right of camera/left of music) of Touch HD?! Does anybody know sth about it? Would be nice to have it on other phones too...
[Touch HD General] RideTheTube:
I have read the first WinMobile 7 device will come out at the End of the year....
[Touch HD General] ~~Tito~~:
Any word what color the color options will be?
[Touch HD General] HDuser:
Well if you cant Touch it you can at least look at it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eisadEADpwk

PS Mind my french (as in its in french)
[Touch HD General] ~~Tito~~:
Wow that is awesome!!! It looks speedy and stable. . . . I can't wait. . . .

:D

I wonder if it has a removable battery? It looks like it doesn't. Maybe its a click lock back cover.
[Touch HD General] unclesomebody:
of course it has a removable battery. This is HTC we're talking about, not apple. ;)
[Touch HD General] ~~Tito~~:
Yea I know, I forgot it just looks like it doesn't. . .I did have a Tilt before I sold it because of all the stupid problems and lack of support from HTC. . .
[Touch HD General] kempas:
Does it use a faster processor than the Diamond /Touch Pro... If not then what's the performance going to be given the extra screen size over those?
[Touch HD General] Menneisyys:
The same cpu. the gfx perf. might be a BIT (but not much) worse.
[Touch HD General] sdlopez83:
WHy would it ever matter what HTC officially gives us or anybody. Bottom line for you noobs. If wm7 comes out, the good people here will put it on your devices. And you can bet the farm on that. Without question.
[Touch HD General] kmartburrito:
If they would only make an Android version.....one can dream right? :D