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[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] DupinBJK:
Yes, testing these cabs on a ROM with a pre-release made from another packager is absolutely not recommended. First of all because there are important compatibility fixes introduced here for the first time, and then because different packagers could choose a different customization.

Using different customizations on the same technology would surely produce unpredictable issues and side effects. Would anyone install Manila2D cabs coming from different threads ? It could be a nightmare, for users and packagers.

This is the thread we we are going to build the cabs with different customizations for all the available layouts of the HTC PPC phones. It has not been done before, and if you check you'll see that only a few layouts have been considered so far by the other packagers, and that hardware compatibility has always been a big issue.

The cookers who'd like to build their OEM packages are obviously free to build whatever they want, but our priority here is not OEM Packages. When the cabs will be ready, better OEM packages will be made, and you will get them from your favorite cooker. In a way or another, you'll end with things that have been fixed here, and you can be sure of that because in the end this is the real purpose of this project.

Thanks for your update !

BJK
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] DupinBJK:
So, it appears that the issue has been solved. Thanks for letting us know.

See it in this simple way: the file you see are not actually in the Rom, that's why you can overwrite them. It's when you make an hard reset, that you get back the files stored in the rom. So, when you install this cab, the new files with the old names overwrite the old ones, but not in the Rom. The same happen with the registry. The hard reset is always our last resort. :)

BJK
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] DupinBJK:
Well, your Mogul should actually be a Titan, and Titan users are not reporting this issue. Have you tried pressing Fn+Space and select T9 from the menu which appears ?

BJK
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Calkulin:
Is it a known issue that I can't disable the word suggestion box on this release? Because I don't have that problem with the EzInput version found in the Manilla2D install,
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] DupinBJK:
You're not following the rules of this thread. I can't give you any kind of support if you don't give us enough details. Please read the first post, and come back with the details we need.

To this, it must be added that:

Users who are going to install the Manila2D should install it first, and

reinstall

this cab

over

it.

I won't support issues arising from the misconfiguration caused by the install of the beta of Manila2D.

BJK
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] DupinBJK:
Nike20Keys hardware mapping

Support request for WWE Nike20Keys users

I'm looking for Nike20Keys users willing to test an issue reported by one user.

Please post your replies using the Title above.

Issue:

The user reports the hardware mapping on his Nike 20Keys as working, but is nonetheless experiencing a strange behaviour on his Backspace key.

The issue occurs when using the hardware keyboard.

He says that if the last letter he has typed is still selected, pressing the backspace key will delete it just momentarily, because it will suddenly reappear on the screen.

The only workaround he has found is to unselect the last letter using the arrow keys, and then use the backspace.

I don't have a Nike here to make the tests, and he's quite busy, so we can discuss about this issue no more than once or twice in a day.

He has kindly provided two videos, to help anyone better understand the issue.

I would really appreciate if the 20keys users who are testing the keyboard could download those videos and try to reproduce the issue on their phone, to give me more details.

Here's the link to the videos.

Many thanks in advance,

BJK
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Zero|Cool:
Which part of the registry should I edit m8? :confused:
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] rions3:
Niki 16 keys issue

Model: Touch Dual (Niki100)

Language: WWE

Previous keyboards installed: EZinput 1.0 from this link (http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=398173)

Previous SIP changer installed: Not sure

ROM version (6.0/6.1 - HTC/Cooked): 6.0 from HTC website

Description of the issue: Hardware keypad doesn't work since installing Manilla2D

Did this issue exist even before the cab was installed?: Prior to Manilla2D, it was working.

I have tried using mutiple cooked ROMs like LILLY and Mary, but all had the same hardware keypad problem. Any help would be greatly appreciated, as I use my Niki to skype and MSN a lot!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] vmax0505:
please find hereafter the cube before installation of EzInput:

and after installation of EzInput:
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] DupinBJK:
Well, the issue is probably related to the fact that who's repackaging the Manila2D has included his own version of the ezinput suite. There are always conflicts, when mixing configurations, and the projects were initially meant to follow separate roads. Instead, now a 'general' version of EzInput has been included there.

I've asked him to remove it and just restore the old link to this thread, and I'm waiting for an answer, but in the meantime, if you want to install both, you should make an hard reset - recommended by him for the Manila2D, reinstall the Manila2D first and then this EzInput suite, which will overwrite the settings he has used.

I'm sorry for everyone of you who will experiencing this issue in the next days, but I can do nothing more beside politely asking him to remove his version from the Manila2D. There's no need to have more than one team work on the same technology. It's as if I would start the repackaging of my version of Manila2D, too, and include it with the keyboards suite.

It would just be a mess...

Thanks,

BJK
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] DupinBJK:
Go here, you will find the link for the Disable XT9 cab. Inside, you'll find all the infos you need.

BJK
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] DupinBJK:
Smaller pics next time, thanks.

As you see, it's the helvetica that has replaced the tahoma. And this cannot be caused by the FontLink key, but only by a 'sleeping' bug in the cube.

This means that something in the cube configuration makes him look for a Roman font (not necessarily the Helvetica - beware !), and that normally, not finding it, a default font like Tahoma is instead choosen.

In WindowsCE, like in Windows, is possible to configure and choose a font not just by giving it's name to a system call, but even by choosing special features, like Serif/SansSerif or Roman. It's just a question of flags used in the system call. In this case, the code is either looking for the helvetica font (and then it should be possible to see the name 'helvetica' by looking at the exe(s) or dll(s) of the cube using Cygnus Hex editor or even Notepad), or is asking the system for a font with given features, erroneously asking for a roman font.

In the first case, if the font of the cube can be modified by a registry setting, it will be easy to correct the issue. In the latter, the code of the cube will need to be patched.

I still wonder why you (and that user) are the only ones reporting the issue; someone should go, download an Elf rom, dump it and debug the cube code to fix this issue. I don't have too much time for this, but there are plenty of seniors here using an Elf, if they are reading this post I'd like to ask them to join in and tell us about their experience about this issue.

Thanks,

BJK
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] DupinBJK:
Download stoppped - Compact Keyboard version

The download for the Compact Keyboard version has been suspended.

Since my post requesting help for an issue reported by one of you, more than twenty downloads of the compact keyboard version have been made, but no one of these new users or of the old ones has even downloaded the video that our fellow user has made to help us understand its issue.

The only answers I've received come from people I've contacted directly via a PM, and who didn't even know about the availability of this download.

Well. I have to tell you that this "get it and run" attitude won't work, in the long run. This is not a shop. You

have to

contribute.

Of all the users who have downloaded the files, no more than the 6% have completed a report.

So, listen to what we'll do. For the time being,

download of the Compact Keyboard version will be suspended.

Now that I know that the issue appears on the 16keys version as well, I'll give to Keypad users a chance to show that they understand how to act.

But if I won't get enough reports,

that one will be suspended as well.

All the other users will benefit from the fact that no particular issue has yet been reported, but this, too,

will just be a temporary bonus.

I keep getting PMs asking for language add-ons. Well, wake up, this is not a candy shop. My kaiser is working quite good at the moment, I have no need to go on, if you don't need to cooperate. You'll see that by collecting the cabs from those who have downloaded them so far someone will publish something, sooner or later.

A few users have made their homeworks, and they'll receive support using PMs. But if the others won't change their attitude, this is going to be an end.

You've been warned. The choice is yours.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Calkulin:
The cab was installed after Manilla2D but like I said, with version 1.0(or whatever version is included in Manilla2d), it's working perfect but contribute, here's what you wanted,

Model: Sprint Mogul/Titan

Language: English

Previous keyboards installed: None

Previous SIP changer installed: None

ROM version (6.0/6.1 - HTC/Cooked): Kaos Take 5 rom

Description of the issue: Word suggestion box can't be disabled

Did this issue exist even before the cab was installed?: No, earlier version works perfect

And so you know, I did a hard reset, installed manilla2D and then installed v1.5 and once I noticed the problem, I uninstalled and installed the earlier version and it's been working just fine since,
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] :
i must say, it is very interesting keyboard.

need to know, how to make localized, PLK version...though.

i saw, that PLK kbd is on your todo list, but i need to try for myself, before.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] DupinBJK:
There's an important thing that it's still not clear to you: The version of the EzInput technology included in Manila2D and this one are the same.

All the files have been extracted from the same Opal ROM, but to be used on other phones they need to be repackaged.

This is the thread where the official cab is being made. There was a link to this thread, on the thread where you have downloaded the Manila2D, to allow the download of the package I'm preparing, but something has changed, and now a 'general' version,

without

any compatibility fix, has been included on the Manila2D cab. The development of the version you can find here is at a more advanced step than the one you can find on the Manila2D cab, and a request has been sent to that thread, to remove that version and restore the link.

The suggestion box you don't want to see is just the box where you can get the dictionary words from Tegic. This means that T9 is enabled.

T9 cannot be enabled on the hardware keyboard on the version included with the Manila2D package you've downloaded, because it doesn' have any compatibility fix.

If you wish to remove it, press Fn+Space, and on the T9 menu choose ABC.

It has been said many times on this thread, and you can find the infos on the download page so, next time, you should read them more carefully.

BJK
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] DupinBJK:
I'll help you with something that I've written on the download page, which probably you have not noticed:

Yes, the PLK is on the list. No, the fact that you need to try it for yourself doesn't change anything.

And next time, since the rules are quite clear, you should begin by giving us an installation report. That's the only way to receive support.

BJK
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Maxxd01:
Well looks like you're right. There's an issue on the .cab for the 16 keys too. Sometimes when I press backspace, the problem is exactly that: I press backspace, and then, instead clear the digit, ok it clear, but also it puts another one. That "another one", I'm not yet able to understand if it's random or no. I'll try to understand next days. This happened in three Rom's I used, and one of them has manilla2D. Sorry my english is not the best to express myself.

EDIT: I detected two bugs connected to the backspace issue: For example, I press letter m (do not forget is a 16 keyboard), and then i do backspace and when I do m again it puts an "n". Other times, I do backpsace to the first letter just no erases nothing. EDIT again: Sometimes I press the second letter (for example "e" of the "3" key, and instead the "e", it puts an 3.

All these things only happens if we use backpsace. And, if we have to do a lot of backpsace, bigger the problem is.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Calkulin:
I thought they were different builds since the file size was different but I will tell you this, I did a hard reset today to install the new version of Manilla2D and after reading your post I decided to test it again and it did the samething, so my guess is that the version in this thread probably has a corrupt file or a registry key that's changed(I'm too lazy to look :rolleyes: because I can't even disable word suggestion through settings\personal\input and with the other version I can. Actually I don't even see the word suggestions like I do with the one in this thread, they are the regular windows way,
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] DupinBJK:
Well, you have a curious way to jump to conclusions.

You admit you're too lazy to check, but since you don't even know how to send useful details about how to repro your issue, there must be only a reason for you, to explain the issue: this cab is faulty.

Good point of view. I'm really lucky to get this useful report, since I - and the other 650 users who have downloaded this cab - are so dumb or lazy that we have not even been able to see what you're talking about.

So, please, I know that you are lazy and I wouldn't really like to ask for some details, but everyone here would really like to understand. Would you please be so kind to give us some details about which editing mode are you using, ABC or T9, if you're talking about software or hardware input, and if you are using hardware, if you have tried to use the Fn+Space OR NOT ??

We need detailed reproduction steps - without them your issue cannot receive support.

BJK
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] DupinBJK:
The tests are going on, in a closed beta group.

We have discovered that it's not related to the ROMs used, because we've been testing the issue on stock roms, thanks to users who have been willing to share their time and even hard reset or reflash.

So, it seems that it's a bug in the Tegic libraries. The fact is that they have changed quite a lot, since the Touch Dual release, but so far HTC has not created a successor to the Dual - all newer phones don't have a keyboard or have a full one.

The registry settings I've bee using are exactly the same found in the Opal Rom, tweaked for the hardware mapping compatibility with the Nike versions, but since the issue happens on both versions (which are using different files), probably it's not even related at all to the hardware mapping.

The tests show that it has something to do with how the Spell check and the Auto Substitution work, and we'll have to found a workaround for it.

You might think that they are bugs, but indeed they are not. It's just the way the auto prediction works. The letters you see are just the "next in sequence". The issue is still related to the backspace only.

BJK
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Noonski:
No one is wrong in the above deleted Posts.

Opinions may vary as to how to get a good working version out.

But let's take a step back and breath.

We all want the same thing here.

Yes suspending the Download might be contra productive.

But there is a reason to it and i can only respect that.

If that causes a new thread to arise that will only raise the question of why there are two threads and it becomes Contra productive to unless the two thread holders Exchange information.

It's worth the time to think about it and discuss in private.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] :
dude, relax. i won't bother You anymoar, then. i can see what your attitude is, exactly.

i don't care, if you will do this, or not, i just wanted to know HOW to do this, right?

you may not waste your time for answer, good luck.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] DupinBJK:
No, not exactly enough. You can't get my attitude from that.

You posted on the thread, where I'm wasting a lot of time trying to explain users that a report *must* be filed, successful install or not. Every time, a "me too" syndrome starts.

If you had read the rules, you had known that you should have sent a PM, for personal requests. So, maybe you don't care, ok, but if you check the previous posts, you'll see that I've already talked about a Polish language pack. And even if your language has no support files at all, and I'll have to make

all

the layouts on my own, this is the FIRST language I've offered, and I've offered it to a Polish user.

People keeps asking me russian, dutch, portuguese, and so on. But it's Polish, the one I'm working on. Browse just a little bit more, and you'll find the post.

So, if you feel offended, just think about the time I'm spending for free. I'm not doing it for you since you've not ever requested it, but you should respect someone else's work - including the rules.

And no, time for giving answers is never wasted time. But the questions have to be made in the right way.

BJK
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] :
damn, i did not read you posts carefully enough..

indeed, rules were clear..

sorry for everything..
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] jeiyuu:
Works beautifully!

I have had this keyboard installed on my HTC Vogue for a few days now. Installed over a clean hard reset (JD Clean rom), and Manilla 2D. No speed or lag issues, all 3 layouts work beautifully.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Maxxd01:
But there are a solution?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] DupinBJK:
With the risk of being again called a Napoleon, even if I have really nothing to complain about him, I have to remember you that yes, I'm pleased to know that the cab works for you, but that you've forgot the rules, which clearly tell that reports are needed both for successful installs and issues.

I'll give you an example, to restore the "1st mistake bonus".

From your message, I get that you are using a Vogue. You tell me that you've made an hard reset, for which you deserve another thank-you, but you can't expect me to have detailed infos on all the custom roms around and so I still don't know if your rom already included a prerelease of these keyboards, or even if the Manila2D version you've installed is one of the version that includes a pre-release of this keyboard, too.

You might find all these informations not so relevant, after all, but I've been trying to iron out a specific issue on a Vogue for two weeks, with users that could not always answer to my requests or do an hard reset, just to discover on three devices, two with a Telus official rom and one with a custom one, that the speed issue was no longer experienced after removing some other keyboards or making an hard reset.

Successful reports allow me to better understand issues, when they are reported.

So, please, take a look at the first post, an give me a detailed report.

Thanks,

BJK
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] DupinBJK:
I am trying to change registry settings a bit, to see what changes. Obviously it will take time, because the users base of the Nike devices is the one who has sent less reports, and which is actually the less active. You are the only one who has made a public post regarding the request for help of that Nike user. All that has been discovered so far has been discovered only thanks to a bunch of users, who I've had to contact by PM.

If the attitude won't change, it will take time - quite obvious.

This said, we have new official files for the Tegic libraries that I'm going to add to the cabs. We'll have to try all over again, to see if anything changes.

BJK
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Mikulec:
Respect man, there are only few people who can acknowledge their own mistake.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] jeiyuu:
No problem BJK, I'm only here to help. Here is the info fromt he first page as detailed as I can be:

* Model: HTC Vogue (Sprint)

* Language: English

* Previous keyboards installed: None

* Previous SIP changer installed: None

* ROM version (6.0/6.1 - HTC/Cooked): JD's Clean Hybrid Rom: The Rom is a hybrid between the 19960 and 19965 builds of Windows Mobile 6.1, The XIP CE Base is 19208 Sprint 3.03 Build, Stripped Clean, no office, no games.. (IMO, the best rom to start fresh from.. However, I updated the pagepool to 24mb)

* Description of the issue: None found as of yet.. Will keep you posted.

* Did this issue exist even before the cab was installed?: N/A
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] DupinBJK:
That's it ! Thanks and welcome on board :)

BJK
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Whosdaman:
which files do I need for it to work fully for my vogue?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] jeiyuu:
just install this cab from the first post and give some feedback:

http://www.4shared.com/file/64276539/ed63a4aa/BJK_HTC_EzInput_QVGA_NoKbd_EN_FR_DE_IT_ES-B1.html
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] namhtc:
Perfect on Elf / P3450

It works perfectly on my ELF / P3540 with the french full AZERTY layout ... I'm using it with great pleasure for 2 days.

Many thanks to you (as far as I'm concerned you can remove the "beta" status !) :D

PS : my Elf runs with the last custom ROM (Diamond V4b 1.2) from the impressive Seiya and his french Win Mobile Team members.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] DupinBJK:
Well, thanks.

If this means you'd like to help me in managing the NoKbd group - it's an unconditional yes :D

BJK
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] mokoboy:
* Model: niki 100 16 keys

* Language: WWE but frnech layout

* Previous keyboards installed: none (or just the basic windows mobile one)

* Previous SIP changer installed: none

* ROM version (6.0/6.1 - HTC/Cooked): 6.1 cooked by myself

* Description of the issue: actually none lol but i don't know what issues i can have

* Did this issue exist even before the cab was installed?:
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] m1nuss:
Hi all,

Can I be part of the beta test?

If yes, could you give me the link with the Niki 16keys, I will give you a feedback as sonn as I can.

Thank you and great job done down here !!

See ya.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] DupinBJK:
Beta 1.1 posts begin here

All the previous posts are related to the previous release of this package.

Discussions and reports about Beta1.1 will start after this post.

Thanks for joining in,

BJK
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] graey:
Seems nice to try this, but I'm kinda reluctant as I've just after hours and hours found a working setup for my 16-key niki. Unless someone tells me this one 'just works' and has Dutch language files available...? :D :P
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Mikulec:
Tada, requested file attached. I hope its the right one.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] wmn79:
Thanks, that was a file I was looking for quite a while. Now I can add Czech to the collection of XT9 packages for Niki. Unfortunately those packages aren't compatible with this wonderfull keyboard but only with the standard Touch Dual Keyboard.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Mikulec:
U r welcome.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] DupinBJK:
Wonderful, thanks !

BJK
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] DupinBJK:
Now, if only we could put our hands on the Portuguese... :)

BJK
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] petard:
I searched this thread but its become so long its hard to find an answer. Is it possible to disable T9 for the hardware keyboard on my Kaiser, but keep it functioning for the on screen keyboard? Or what about disabling it in landscape?