yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] NLS:
If someone knows more about this, please speak up. :|
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] shadykw:
that would mean trouble for htc

hello guys, i hav e just received my Touch pro from HI well seems like its working fine and the gps is ok, though i haven't tested it well, just with the simple Google maps it was running very well. i actually tried to look everywhere to see like a REV2 or something like that but no luck. and as usual the HI or KPN people dont know anything.

i hope some revelations will be made around this issue soon.

Kevin
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] fhsieh:
How are they distinguishing version 1 from version 2?

My TP does not get hot at all when using GPS. I have found it can get abnormally hot when Wifi is set to Performance mode (but under Power-saving or balanced modes, it's fine).

I do have a separate GPS unit I use for my car which does get rather warm, but that's only because the sun is shining directly on it for a long time while I'm driving. I can't help but think that might cause some misleading temperature readings.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] y2whisper:
doesn't get as hot as my kaiser got doing the same thing
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] kempas:
I'd be suprised if there was already a revision of the Touch Pro since it effectively is already a revision of the Diamond in terms of the major hardware.

I.e. if there was something wrong with the Touch Pro gps that meant they had to upgrade the revision to 2 then you'd assume that was also the case for the Diamond since it's basically the same under the hood.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] aro:
I have this GPS problem

Hi,

I have my TP since almost three weeks.

At first, everything worked to my expectation. In fact, I was positively surprised by the quality the device seemed to have.

After three weeks of intensive use, unfortunately my view changed.

The balck paint on the aluminum part of the screen frame goes off (reported also here in the forum by other users).

The device freezes over night so my alarm does not sound.

And the GPS receiver gets very hot after ~30min constant use.

Then, all of a sudden, Tomtom (and also other programs like GPS Test, Google Maps,...) loose GPS reception in short frequences.

Tomtom actually sais "No GPS device" for 2-5 sec, then find it back, gets a fix back, and breaks down again.

Very annoying.

One of many reasons, why I asked my retailer (2call.nl) to take the device back and send me a new one (hoipefully version 2 or 3, or whatever HTC brough up to solve all this problems).

Unfortunately, 2call.nl is not willing to take the device back, even though I informed tham about this within first two weeks after purchase.

Now I raised a log at HTC customer service to get my device replaced dirctly from them.

They offered repair, but I rejected (otherwise I would get the same **** back that I have now - called version 1 of TP).

Btw: If anyone finds out how to distinguish version one from version 2, please share.

Regards,

ARo
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] dagrim1:
This is the first time I read something like this myself so I have no idea whether or not there are different generations. The article doesn't explain either how one could determine their generation...

So basically I have no idea if above is actually the case but I found it interesting/remarkable to read so just wondered if more was known about this...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mrvanx:
Serial Numbers!?

Hey people, just a thought but if you post your serial numbers and we see what the deal is, just the first few digits, for instance my raphael is as follows:

Model: RAPH10000

S/N: HT833....

Just the first few numbers will do as this tends to show when it was built or which batch it was from etc...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] fhsieh:
There could also be a correlation to the vendor, depending on when they received their shipments.

Mine is: RAPH100, S/N HT833
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] dagrim1:
I'll join that club:

Serial: HT833

Model: HTC Touch Pro T7272 (from settings -> device info... correct?)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] apd:
RAPH100

S/n HT83

2

I don't have any of the probs reported by aro. I do have a bit of GPS lag in TT7 (which I didn't have on the Diamond).
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] NetRipper:
Model: HTC Touch Pro T7272 (now that I look at this, I thought it said RAPH100 before I flashed, but not 100% sure, can the model name change due to a flash?)

Serial: HT832...

To complement this info: I have not noticed the problem described in this thread yet, but I'll test over the next few days.

edit: i have the GPS lag in TT7 as well, but I think others have reported GPS lag to go away (or come back) by changing tomtom versions and/or flashing another rom, so that does not seem model-related
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] speed200:
Model: HTC Touch Pro T7272

S/N: HT832K

I don't have any of the probs reported by aro. I do have a bit of GPS lag in Igo8 and TT7
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] flgm:
HT833....

No overheating, a bit of gps lag and i'd say not so good reception, but overall it's usable.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mrvanx:
Perhaps add any info you think should be added to the wiki page people?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Amplificator:
Model: HTC Touch Pro T7272

S/N: HT836

Havn't had any problems so far, although the keyboard is a bit wobbly..

Does everyone else have that too?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] apokryphus:
HTC 835KA...

Raph120

No real Problems with the Hardware so far.

No overheating etc...

GPS fix for the first time tooks quite long, as normal, now in 30 sec.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] NLS:
T7272

HT832...

(sh*t)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Halfpenny:
Model: HTC Touch Pro T7272

S/N: HT832

No overheating when using GPS although some lag and even stopping when using CoPilot for Touch Diamond.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] komani86:
Hmm.. yeah im really scared to remove my VF rom, everything works like a charm (with updated radio rom and the tweaks that are presented here)...

Is there a way to fully backup my VF rom, just in case? OR would a hard reset restore the ROM? It wont right?

If i could backup my VF rom then i might give it a go...

Oh and btw... i think our GPS status is the same then...im still doubting to flash to romeos I just expected a good GPS unit inside the HTC... the Mio's have way better ones, but those are no shiny keyboardtastic HTC's ofcourse :P (my sister has one..+tomtom its way better)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Da_G:
Check the Wiki for an official ROM matching your version. If you find one, you will be able to flash the stock SPL and that version back to your phone :)

You'll also want to run a backup program like sprite or spb, or other to backup your data so you can restore it once you flash back the VF ROM.

If you don't find an official VF ROM, well, you'll need to dump your rom using one of the ROM dumping utils here, and it will need to be reconstructed back into an .nbh that can be flashed to your phone. At that point you'll have a ROM to flash back to :)

Just be careful that the ROM you flash doesn't change the splash screen, and if it does, locate an original splash screen before flashing, or you won't be able to restore the splash screen.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] cmloo:
I'm afraid 50.5 still has the GPS Lag. Just tested this mornign
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ledg3:
I, too, experience the 1.5 seconds worth of lag on my Stock Touch Pro with TomTom 7.910. However, when I run a demo of a route (ie. not using GPS), the screen refreshes every 1.5 seconds. Hence, the 1.5 seconds lag could be a display driver / graphics problem? Or just a lack of CPU power? Does your ROM have the latest graphics drivers? Would it make any difference to TomTom's refresh speed?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] allthatinny:
well i kinda did a test on the GPS today and discover that *which is obvious* the GPS picks up and locks on better when ur outside, but after using att naviator i was able to use any other gps software, i think the ATT Nav keeps a Fix on ur GPS which allows other apps to get a lock on quicker when u quit the ATT Nav
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Da_G:
AT&T Navigator opens the gps port in a standard way as any other app does, and does not send any sort of proprietary command to the gps.

However having any app open in the background tied to COM4: will keep the gps powered on, and maintain a fix. So you aren't imagining the quicker fix time. (it doesn't need to get a fix when you have an app in the background holding the port open, it's already fixed)

My ROM has the latest d3dm drivers, which should not affect tomtom. That's powered by the 2d graphics drivers and so far I haven't found a newer driver compatible with our hardware (our driver is already very new, only older drivers so far)

On top of that, it's not likely that the lag is caused by graphics drivers, as it manifests in very basic gps applications as well.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Mr.Panda:
Im getting a little confused. in the second generation or rev 2 / rev B were all the issues addressed by HTC ? (OVER HEATING, GPS, ect)

Are we able to swap/refund/exchange our phones back by demand seeing there is many faults and there is most prob not going to be a fix. after a long wait, we have no real postive feedback from HTC, so most of us would be depending on the TP dev's which should NOT really be there responsibility or obligation to tweak it to function correctly.

I mean HTC has lost the plott, releasing this as one of their top models is just a joke, these business phones are suppose to be realiable for obivious reasons, people whom purchase these phones depend on them for been a half PDA and organiser.

The problem is, i've had my TP for longer than the swapping fault periods.. because i believed in HTC to come up with a fix in a reasonable time, i feel that i have waited quiet patiently, but right now i have just given up hope. Does anyone know if the contract includes any information about issues concerning faulty phones.

A retailed AUS $1100 frying pan ?

any feedback or constructive critisim is appreciated.

-ty
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] rcll:
Is there a definite answer about hardware differences across Touch Pro production?

Do later batch numbers indicate changed hardware from earlier batch numbers? If so which components might be different?

My Raphael is:

RAPH110

HT846xxx
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ccube:
I dont know if there is an official statement from HTC. And I also dont know if the Number (RAPH100, RAPH110, RAPH300) indicates sth like that.

I only know that Im not very satisfied with the new Touch series at all.

My RAPH is going to T-Mobile again. Today im getting a new one. My Third Touch Pro in 2 Months...

Perhaps this one is working better... ;)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] rcll:
Apparently HTC isn't big on official statements. Seems it took a class action to get proper drivers for the old Kaiser. I would hope HTC would be forthcoming with drivers without being under threat of lawsuit.

I wouldn't care so much if the hardware was simply weak in the Touch Pro. What gets me is that the hardware already inside our devices is capable of far better performance but its blocked or underutilized due to a lack of drivers, it's actually aggravating if I think about it. We have the hardware, where are our drivers, HTC? We're your loyal customers, let's see some drivers! I get a new nVidia or ATI driver every few weeks...

My stock ATT ROM was horribly slow, I flashed to a cooked ROM and the device is very usable now. Everyone I show it to is still impressed.... but after reading a few of these complaint threads, and knowing the TP has hardware that could perform so much better, this whole driver issue is slowly starting to bother me.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] PeteNewt:
I have a HT836, RAPH100

I adjusted all mentioned registry settings, deleted the log files, selected other NMEA, 38400 baud, disabled Agps and even installed the Samsung D3D driver...nothing works. It still takes ages to get a fix and there is a huge lag, car is moving while stopped, etc....

So now I have a 700€ device that is as 'fast' as my Artemis with a non-working gps.

Should I return the device and get an X1? Are they any better?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] maw:
Did all the registry tweaks and adjustments, I have no problems with getting a fix, mostly within seconds if I'm outside, what I do have is lag, accuracy is okay but too much lag.

S/N HT834
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Matthes42:
I did it as you said. I returned my rapael and I am happy with my touch hd. no lag at all.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ccube:
Those with much GPS Problems should try PROven ROM 1.08

Working very well also with GPS

:)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] NLS:
I would prefer just to know WHY...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ccube:
Fast, stable, and GPS working!

Everything out of the box...

Didnt see any better ROM. ;)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] NLS:
You didn't get my post correctly.

I mean I would prefer to know WHAT in this ROM makes the GPS working ok.

Maybe I don't want the ROM, just the fix.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Pete79:
I have both and my X1 has worse lag than my TP; using tomtom 7.450 on both..
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] pabloquatro07:
I'm having alot of GPS issues and I was wondering if anyone could help

Current ROM: ROMeOS² v1.51 conFUZEd AT&T EDITION

Current Radio: 1.02.25.32

QuickGPS works correctly

HTC GPS Tool cannot get a fix on a satellite even after trying many different settings and making sure to clear the memory. I get the same result every time Mode 2: Fix not available

GPSTest It would just get stuck on the loading GPS part, after finding the correct COMM Port

TT7 just gets stuck trying to find satellites, saying that I'm inside, when I've brought my phone out multiple times

I've also tried a hard reset on my phone, and running the same tests, but no luck

If you have an ideas or suggestions about what I should do, they would be greatly appreciated, thanks for your help
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ccube:
Oh, thats something i really dont know. perhaps you can ask in the official Thread! ;)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Pudl:
GPS in "Standby" after an hour using it

Helo together,

I searched a lot but didn't find anything about this problem.

I'm using IG8 op my TP and everything works fine. But when I drive long ways, over an hour or so, suddenly my GPS looses it's fix. After some seconds (about 20) the fix is back but only for one or two minutes. Then it is lost again.

When I restart IGO8 the GPS fix is ok again.

Does anyone know this problem and perhaps a solution?

I've heard that the GPS will go to "standby" afer an hour but didn't find anything about this.

Greetings Pudl
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] fatguybp:
This happens in Garman XT too, it seems not to happen in the AT&T Navigator though,

Model is RAPH110 S/N HT846...

10/7/08 Rev: US01
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] elivne:
try disabling power management in igo8(device settings in igo8)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sue:
I can't ree the Raph bit, but my S/N is also HT833
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Sleuth255:
serial # in sig. No positional lag, negligible speed lag (same as Tilt), fixes in a minute or so. Excellent navigation using TT7 with ROM in sig (any rom with the diamond gps drivers allows TT to see the GPS as an internal GPS device). Radio in sig has best fix capabilities of all the one's I've tried.

My fuze outperforms my Tilt as far as GPS is concerned. I think that positional lag issues are hardware related.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] kadoendra:
HTC Touch Pro T7272

S/N: HT833K01...

Experiencing the same problems. Getting very hot, losing GPS signal for several minutes and sometimes it doesn't seem to recover, untill I restart the phone. It also stops charging and even loses normal radio signal. We were very happy we also had the "old" MDA vario compact III with us on our holiday.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Die Bruine:
Paint coming off

Bad 3G reception

TT7 lag (first day of use bad reception in the car)

Battery dead within 6 hours

832

After six years wouldn't have thought I'd ever wanna shove an HTC up the @%@ of an HTC employee :mad:
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Vasko:
T7272

HT832K...

gps Overheating + gps lagging + battery issues!

Somehow disappointed because i had the Polaris which was an awesome device.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] easycure1974:
Model: HTC Touch Pro T7272

S/N: HT834K

Paint falling of

Bad GPS lag

Very loose keyboard, it moves 5 mm in the upper part and lover part of phone, very annoying
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] danielherrero:
832k.

GPS lag and other issues: often It looses GPS coverage for some seconds and sometimes it needs 20 minutes to recover it under open sky. Its very strange. Anyway all of us have the same qualcomm chipset and It would be very strange a new device generation because HTC should offer a replacement if a hardware fault was confirmed. I am almost sure a new Radio ROM will fix the problem.

Dani
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Flippy_TK:
HT832K here.

Even though I used the GPS for not very long and had other issues (see imtermittent sound problems: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=422322 ), I didn't have GPS problems so far...

As soon as I receive it back from the repair center I'll test it more extensively.

P.S.: On a battery and charging point of view it is fine. The battery holded 2 days with low usage before sending it to repair and it managed to charge in a fair time when in stand-by)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] hugo5:
Model: HTC Touch Pro T7272

S/N: HT835K

I have problems described in this thread: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=425709

Other than that I have to say, that GPS reception is somewhere between a Haicom CF GPS device I use in conjunction with my Acer N50 Pro and my Garmin GPSMAP 60CSx (- although much closer to the first mentioned than to the latter one). Until now I didn't have real problems with reception. The device does get warm during GPS use, but I wouldn't call it hot.

As for the lag, I noticed some in comparison to the Garmin device and also the Haicom device, but I guess this has something to do with Static Navigation being turned on on the Touch Pro. By any means it is not disturbing.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Wyrmbot:
Have you guys tried to download GPS data (you can find that program in the programs list).

It helped me a lot.

I left it trying to find satalites for about 30 min (and still no luck), but after running the GPS data tool, I got a valid signal after about 10 seconds.

Now I dont know what the deal is with that tool. Seems pretty unusual.

But it works.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] da_jojo:
i had the same issues with my gps :

suddenly stopped working or taking forever to find sattelites and fix...

after finding a fix it just disconnects..

no correct gps fix...

a lot was solved by making use of advanced configtool and setting the gps to:

-not-assisted (default... as it should be)

-disable logging

-set logbackupfile to nothing (empty the box)

-set logfilesize to 0

then reset the device (press ok and follow directions on adv configtool will do) and start file-explorer .. look for the file gpslog and gpslogback and delete both..

now go to quickgps and download latest (yeah yeah everyone knows u have it but still download it again)

then start tomtom and set the thing to internal gps or other nmea whatever baudrate com4
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Corsa2:
HTC Touch Pro T7272

S/N HT835...

P/N 99HEY050-00 C

ROM 1.90.413.4 SVE

Google maps works perfect with no issues.

Tomtom7 lose connection with the GPS etc.

I believe TT7 is crappy.

The rest of it works perfect (so far...) and I love my TP.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mrvanx:
OK so looks like the range of serial numbers goes from HT832 to HT835 at the moment, if i receive a replacement for my HT833 I will check if there are any difference otherwise I'll be w3aiting a while for mine to be repaired (hope not).
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] NLS:
I hope for the rest of us, that the issue is firmware related...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] robal:
My TP (SN: HT832...) doesn't have overheating problem.

It used to have a GPS lag in Igo8, but simply stopped having it.

It's ROM independent. I've tried many roms to get rid of GPS lag, and gave up.

GPS lag simply went away after couple of reboots during casual use. I cannot reproduce it anymore :/

I had Touch Diamond before.

It got quite hot, especially when navigating + charging.

It's hard for me to say whether TP is cooler than diamond because of improved power consumption or because it has better heat dissipation (since it's a brick compared to Diam.)

cheers,
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] NLS:
tried many ROMs?

are there many ROMs?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] t2000:
I found something that maybe will be helpful.

Remove battery cover, and look at left down corner. There I found: EU 07/09/08 REV.EU01

But it could be an antena version.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] dagrim1:
Hmmm, and if you look at the leftside on the top (battery cover removed), to the left of the microsd slot... There I found:

Date: 07/09/08 REV:B01

And on the top of the device: Date:07/09/08 REV:G01

(Bottom left corner I have same info as above... EU 07/09/08 REV.EU01
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] bozotheclown:
S/N: HT833.....

doesn't get hot whilst using the GPS
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] NLS:
all same here
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] bozotheclown:
same here, would there ba an a01 too?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] NLS:
nah...

I have the lag and GPS problems...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] groofoo:
to the left of the microsd slot... Date: 07/09/08 REV:B01

And on the top of the device: Date:07/09/08 REV:G01

Bottom left corner I have same info as above... EU 07/09/08 REV.EU01

and i don`t have any problem navigating.

fix within 30 sec. (tt7)

and no delay (lag) when navigation is in use.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ardsar:
Mine gets warm but how warm is hot! I'm charging the battery at the same time, so i guess it will get warm.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] danielherrero:
I confirm it. Disabling the gps log has free the driver to write the log file and now It performs much better (quick fix, no intermitent disconnections, etc)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] miguelromerom:
i do it,and runs perfectly
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] onesolo:
Well at the begining I had problem on getting the gps to work. But after I disabled gps assisted and messing on gps com port I was able to get signal. Now I always get a quick signal.

The only problem that I have with gps right now is the lag, on iGo8 I have a little, but on TomTom it's huge and also the navigation on the screen is not smooth
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] omega01:
I have done the same and installed TomTom on the memory card (seems to help) and it is usable in car (30-40m lag) but usable for pedestrian use.

With GPSTuner in pedestrian use the lag is much smaller (5-10m)

But I don't have a working iGo8...when I launch it, nothing appears...maybe somebody can share his working exe file ?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] NetRipper:
I have found a few registry settings that seem to make my GPS lag less.

Under: HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\

- Drivers\GpsOneDevice\PollInterval -> 100 (default is 1000)

- Drivers\InputBufferSize -> 512 (default is 4096)

- Drivers\OutputBufferSize -> 512 (default is 4096)

- Drivers\SleepOnNoData -> 100 (default is 1000)

- Multiplexer\MaxBufferSize -> 512 (by default not present, found it by analysing gpsdriver.dll (or gpsid_htc.dll, not sure anymore :p))

I have also disabled AGPS and the logging via Advanced Config under GPS.

I am using QuickGPS and getting a fix within a minute (when walking outside).

Perhaps this is worth a shot for you guys as well.

(Don't forget to soft reset after making the registry changes. The driver is loaded by TouchFLO already, so changes may not take effect after restart.)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] danielherrero:
I will test it. Good idea :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Wyrmbot:
Im curious as to why you think lowering the Input/Output buffer size is a good idea?

:confused:

Anyway, good find.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] danielherrero:
Doing the buffers smaller makes the driver to dispatch the data before because the buffer is small.....
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Wyrmbot:
Ok then.

Wonder how all this will affect battery life.