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[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] mozillaxom:
So it's end of day of xda-developers?

If all developers around here (xda-developers) will stop building own applications, and xda-developers without you guys (A_C + ssj5trunks) so for what of xda-developers?

Then only one way for solved this problem is h**k the site
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] eric2k:
Hi

My 2 Cents,

The whole Slide 2 application suite is nice. Yes. Amazing free stuff.

IN all honesty I don't get why A_C cares so much what happend to his work.

People who are dumb enough to pay these sites, they are amazing. Besides that fact. This does not mean they would have donated to him or paid for it if they knew it was free.

These scumbags profiting? what can you do.

It happens to everyone/every company.

Does apple stop making the iphone because of Slide 2 applications?

O NO some small windows developer has made an app like us on wm. Lets pack it in boys. cancel iphone production and development.

Same logic here , more close to home.

SPB/Vito/Resco? people steal there software all the time.

Do they pack it in? Stop?

Honestly people will donate to you either way. If you go commercial people will bypass your security and steal. Some pay some wont ever. Free or pay.

To punsh everyone? wow.

What we Should do is , BE SMART AND OUT DEVELOP AND BE CREATIVE AND CONTINUE ONWARD? COME ON?

LEts start up IPHONE for windows mobile FREE site. Work to get it listed top of google/youtube/wm fourms in all topics regarding iphone like features for windows mobile.

This will cut all issues down, so these gay sites get no revenue or users going to there site.

Then you A_C you can collect donations and goggle add revenue off this as a reward. Down the road make some pay2play apps?

Turn every negative into a postive. Only reason these people doing well becuase XDA is not well known. People search for iPhone windows mobile and go to there scam bag sites.

We should work with you A_C... We can work past this. IT wont be perfect but you can come out of this a winner.

If you need free hosting for a site, i will provide it.

Hell i will pay for any domain you want and develop you a proper website, least i can do.

Its all a matter if you want to. If you want to stop/give up Fine. Let them continue to use your work and ride it till windows mobile 7 makes it useless.

If you plan on going comercial. people will crack you.

If your smart you'd go way I am saying, own site that has EYEBALLS GOING TO IT

In contrast to right now noobs cant help it, This is what they find easiest scammers can win right now.

If you build your community off your site and are Known. You will OWN the gay sites and eventually go pay/shareware for some apps once you have huge following, dollars will flow in to you like nothing. Trust me. I do this for a living :P

Anyhow, piss this all way if you want. Let scum bags win . We still love you. If you do nothing or try a switch to pay RIGHT NOW, scumbags will just rid this till windows mobile 7 and win.

We could work past this Or give up and let them win.... Lets out develop and harass/get word out and BEAT TESE F#@#'s COME ON?

-Eric

(now to continue praying for A_C to the PPC GoD's(HI BILL:P))
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] uniqueboy:
True creativity is a drive and can not be stopped, if you A_C quit they don't have to quit, they just carry on with what they've already got. So no one wins, everyone a loser. If you are the creative genius I imagine you to be you will try to forget the fools who dare to profit from your intelligence and do what you do anyway. F**k them all, it is the work that is important, that you have piece of mind in the satisfaction of a perfected work, Money? is that what it is about? I don't think so. Think again and finish your work, only then will you find peace. :)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] kbywg:
This guy is soooo right. Come on, don't let the suits get you down. In the words of the great Homer J. Simpson, (the J stands for Jay) "Marge, they got these chewey pretzel things here that are awenhsuyr brble mphgnsh...beer, FIVE DOLLARS!!!! get outta here."

:):):):)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] TheChampJT:
Here's my two cent for you!

A_C has spent A LOT of time developing these apps and posting them here for us to enjoy. Out of the tons of downloads, everyone may not donate, but I'm sure there is a large percentage of users that have, giving A_C some incentive to continue the work in his spare time. So, when theses developer fakes post up "their" great work, then yes, the true developer will be disappointed that their work isn't from them directly. To sum it up a bit, imagine you've spent a lot of your own time developing an application or theme, and then suddenly someone else includes your work in their package claiming it's their work, and you then receive little or no compensation/thanks for your hard work, how would you feel?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] eric2k:
People do this all over all across the board. K?

What we need to stop doing is being woman. Trying to "fix" Effects of problems.

What needs to be stabbed dead is the ROOT issue.

The root issue is XDA/s2apps have no visablity and or the scum bags are better at marketing.

Rather then through the towel in this late? Why do that now? all that needs to be done is make a site... get it spammed around on fourms/high google ranking...

Then scum bags wont have anything.

K? If AC gives up right now.... the scum people truely won.

If we do something postive like im saying. We could cut the head off these people without even dealing with them.

Of course i agree we should also at the same time doing that hunt down and harass all these people.

Re read my post.... i am giving you a solution to a huge problem. Think about it.. use some critical thinking skills. This is plain logic/how to play chess here.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] joey jojo:
what make Americans so much more important? what about the British and the Germans and the French and everyone else?

we will be hurt too.

LOL.. sorry, just thought id crack a funny..

I agree with eric2k that a_C should not stop because of these guys and if they are selling links to valid downloads, then its not too bad, if people are stupid enough to pay for this even though it states it is free ware thats there problem, if it wasnt for some idiots out there, nobody would make money, its simple, its what happens with software, even freeware.

personally i use all his software and i will admit, i havent ever donated anything, i dont have a lot of money, and prefer to find free products for my phone that look good on my device, thus said if i could afford to pay i would, i love his programs and will continue to use them even if development stops, i will use until something better comes along.

to be honest, s2u2 s2p and s2v are as good as they can get now, and i cant see much more improvement required, so its no big loss if A_C does stop development, cos they are just right for me now.

on the other hand, there might be some cool program that comes out not for our WM devices and the only person who has the programming knowledge that i can think of that can do it, is A_C.

plus that site has taken it down at developers request, now A_C has got what he set out to do. :cool:
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] veyka:
I agree with what he is saying, XDA is fantastic, but unless you know your way around, you cant find anything.

There has to be some way to give exposure to the work thats done here.. more than just a forum thread that can disappear in less than a day in D&H..

If there isnt a way to show the world dev's work, then this will keep happening..

(have you guys also though of reporting this kinda thing to tech blogs.. never know.. they might get interested..)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] djsiva:
stuff

I'm not trying to bust anyone's ba**s here, but the disclaimer the website owner put up is only for show, and only on the outside. My dumb a** paid for the site a long time ago, and I still have access to the members area. See my previous posts with screen shots that don't reflect any changes on the inside. There is no reference to AC or the other developers whose apps they are distributing. (MortPlayer, gCalc, Wisbar) The do mention that Wisbar is a trial, but they provide a direct download for the CAB. There is no redirection to Lakeridge Software so that the users can read and make the informed decision themselves.

Just my 2 cents, which could be worth considerably less. :)

Nate
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] TheChampJT:
What kind of chess do you play?! This violence reminds me of a movie hmmm..........

XDA USERS, PREPARE YOURSELF!

I can't help but respond to this :D! This has to be the dumbest "solution" I've ever heard before, how is this solving any problem logically? Perhaps you missed the part where xda has almost 1 million users! They may not all be active, but I guarantee that all users here in at least the last year almost, use S2U2, and have followed the development since. We don't need to create an "A_C's S2* Website" and spam it.

In fact, as a side note, one of the reasons I became a member here is because I was browsing for some software one day, and ANOTHER non-related site mentioned S2U2.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] uniqueboy:
Just no way a few f**kwits can stop a genius, C'mon A_C show us your metal.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] bonsaiboyz:
I too am a great admirer and user of A Cs work along with many other devs on this site. However I do also agree that you have to be fairly savvy to find stuff on here. It might be an idea for xda-devs to partner up with a site such as this http://www.touch-innovation.com/ which is happy to provide just the software and themes which the guys here work on. (I have no connection with this site and believe all work to be posted with the creators permission)

I truly hope that A C does not give up and does not let the bad guys win and as someone famously said 'Illegitimi non carborundum.'
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] refthemc:
That sucks, I hope everything works out A_C
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] TheChampJT:
Majority of the admins, including myself, from Touch Innovation are users here, and once more apps/themes are posted up, then hopefully it will be a "one-stop" place for finding your desired items. But, keeping in mind, it's always great to see users of these apps/skins to at least stop by to give some thanks to the creators.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] veyka:
That is a very good website.. its the kinda thing that XDA needs.. a solid place to point people to, to find the best of the best themes, skins, ect (Yes I know theres the sticky.. but a nice slick layout, is nice sometimes.. (XDA sure isnt that pretty on the eyes :p))

The way to beat people who want to make a quick buck.. is make the good (free + donations!!) stuff easier to get than the lamers offering of the same thing..
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] junshiong:
xda sure have computer xpert who can hack...:D
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] TheChampJT:
Huh................
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] CraZyLiLbOy:
The admin could trace his ip easily and get himself in trouble
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] jlaplaca:
W.o.W. people.

I cant believe that happened, hope that development restart soon, great product.

Doesn't pay to rip the little people off.

WOW, can you say law suit. (Hit them for everything they have, no permission for the use of software in that fashion, no credits.)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Sir.B:
sorry to see your work being exploited A_C

i can totally see how this is extremely frustrating for a developer

****bags out to make a buck ruin it for everyone, even them-dumb-selfs

i hope you return to development, many fine suggestions have been put forward, or perhaps a tweak to the software so that it doesn't function so much like the iPhone, (maybe move the unlock slider to the top of the screen in S2U2), so that your apps are just inspired by the iPhone

thanks for the things you released
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] FatBoyExtraordinaire:
A_C if you are reading this, have you given consideration to my idea?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] evilpuppy:
why couldnt they just put a link back to Xda instead their own ?? good move A_C.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] AkshayGenius:
No man! WTF is happening?? First A_C and now iFonz???Noooo!

Firstly:

Selling licensed software without a license is illegal, whether it is free or not. He is still bundling S2U2 with it, so in essence people are BUYING it.

Come on guys, the least you can do is to complain to their website hosts or the illegal tracking websites I mentioned, I am going to write/report to all of them just after I finish writing this, because its the least I can do and it IS illegal.

Selling someone else's free software is illegal, without a license is illegal and as Newton got a reply, only if the software is modified (also, legally), then its legal, otherwise its not!

Its as simple as that!

Just report the website to the hosts and the website mentioned earlier and bam, they're goin down.

PS- I read the policy of crimestoppers,etc. this guy can be prosecuted if he lives within US/UK(obviously, for much bigger crimes, but still, shows that these guys are serious) So this guy, who thought he'll make some easy money, might just get screwed real bad, but ONLY IF YOU GUYS CO-OPERATE!

Thats THE LEAST you can do:

Please report to either/all of the following with the information in the first quote:

http://www.fact-uk.org.uk/crimestoppers/index.htm

http://www.fastiis.org/our_services/...portingPiracy/

http://www.ieg-uk.org/index.php?s=Public

www.hostgator.com for iphonethemforppc,

www.godaddy.com for web-resort

http://www.fastiis.org/our_services/enforcement/reportingPiracy/reportIllegalSales.php

So, I'm off to reporting, what about you. I can't let this happen!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Lokioki:
Lol, gettin guy in jail for this.. isn`t it a bit oversaturating ?

Just try to talk this through ?

E: i lolled, site looks so ****ty that I wonder who would be that stupid to buy package from there >.o Pathetic attempt is pathetic
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] itje:
I know the feeling...

really sucks

I support your decition, ppl like that ruins more then they can imagine with their attitutes and behaviour.

You do a amazing job A_C, the way you do your work is a inspiration to many. You truly show how XDA-Developers should be all over.

I hope this is solved, and I look forward to see your future work.

cheers
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] SkillzLaPoop:
you guys are cracking me up! "send them to jail" and "crimestoppers"!, come on now. do you think because someone on the web offers a link to a freeware software that they will go to jail?!?

I think everyone is just caught up in the moment and saying some of the silliest things. I have much respect for xda-developers and have been using this forum for quite some time and i have to say im a bit surprised at some of the comments, not to mention incriminating yourselves on some of comments and to think you would risk going to jail for trying to hack their host. (especially after you mentioned it here)

I think just because someone is offering your software as a free download or even if they are selling it, is not a reason to sound like a baby and say "Im stopping development". The only people your hurting is yourself and all of us that love your S2 apps.

could you imagine if every company that found their apps on another website threw in the towel? We would have no more developers.

A_C i think you should just move forward, pick up the pieces and stop stomping your feet. Linking to freeware is not a crime and it is not illegal.

I think you guys should just make either a keygen or some type of serial number feature just like everyone else in the world that did not want their software pirated.

i personally downloaded the software at iphonethemeforppc.com and it does not have your software in it like you said. The file only had wisbar theme images and wisbar config file in it. There was an install file that only had a link to download any of the other freeware apps including their home pages and to my knowledge that is not illegal.

i also downloaded the software from web-resort.com and it however, has not only your software included in their package, but also ifonz, and icontact. This seems like the person you should be most upset. not only you but ifonz!

i have not downloaded from iphonethemeforpocketpc.com yet, but have heard that they also offer it as a download. can anyone confirm this?

Im not saying what these people are doing is right, im just saying move on and do what everyone else does, make a serial number or something but dont run away like a baby and definitely dont give up just because of a few bad apples.

After all you did steal the look and feel of the iphone and by your donations your essentially profiting off of apples design. Maybe you should give apple some of your donations?

Just my four cents.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] hotrod101:
SkillzLaPoop has got a point. Not that I agree with all of his/her comments but really, the look is taken from the IPhone.

One basic thing that was forgotten to be mentioned was that A_C and all the other developers of IPhone looking apps are not selling their products. They are accepting donations but not demanding payment. And you can argue that the donations is not being made to the app that was developped but to the developer just because people like him. No one can argue this about these other sites iphoneforppc.com iphonethemeforpocketpc.com etc... Also, the look that they are providing although similar in some respects, is also different in others. In my opinion - S2U2 is much better then the IPhone slide to lock / unlock because of what he has added to it. S2P - My favorite app by A_C also much like the IPOD TOUCH and IPHONE music player. Don't see Apple giving up on developing their stuff.

I noticed a comment basically saying to stop acting like a baby. I am sorry, but I find this to be a rude statement seeing as the developers who have been victimized here have in fact been victimized and deserve better. They have the right to make certain demands in my opinion and should have the right to choose how they are going to deal with this problem. We may not all be happy about it (Clearly:( ) however, we need to show some respect and support.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] theme freak:
I think this topic should be locked already..don't keep saying bad things about people without realizing that we are actually not perfect also and can do mistakes sometimes..so lets just forgive them guys and forget it :) I believe those people have got enough lesson for this case..God Bless :)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] walla:
There are softwares out there, like AVG Anti-Virus, and it's free. They make their Terms and Conditions in such a way that it's illegal for others to host the files elsewhere.

I agree that the action of those seller is immoral, but it is NOT illegal. You need to put in terms and conditions or something like that (I'm no expert on this) to make it illegal.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] TheChampJT:
I don't think this is really a legal issue, but more of an issue with a someone taking an accomplishment from a developer.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Hydroxpert:
this discussion is getting hot...

but from what i think (severely limited), developing applications is time consuming. and if you have a heart to develop freeware, it probably breaks the same heart to see someone else selling it for 4.99 USD. i mean its like someone is getting credit for what he doesnt deserve. haha. in a student's point of view, if he does everything for a group project and the more influential people in the group get the credit, the student would feel bad. in an office setting, if a whole department is congratulted for the proposal but the administrative officer with good english was the one who did it, he'd feel bad.

just my small thoughts :D

and....the main culprit behind everything is...the IPHONE! hahaha
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] ExiMoR:
Just one:

It's so suck!

Your programs is not really at end...

Needs to be upgraded, fixed errors make it better and others...

Please

DON'T STOP WITH DEVELOPING!!!

You are the best freeware developer...

Guys please create collection for A_C (for support him with developing)....

BTW: I have a plans for this situation...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] crescentsaber:
what sort of plan you're proposing ?

I say just put a licence for your programs.. That would be the easiest solution, and us people here in the forums won't mind paying for something that we know works as friggin well as your programs !

A_C, you've made my phone heaps easier to use and heaps fancier as well, for that you have my gratitude. If you ever come to Australia specially to Perth, I'll make sure you will enjoy your stay as comfortable as possible :)

And again, I'd like to emphasize that I'm sure all of us here ( I think its fair that I'm speaking in behalf of everyone ) won't mind paying for your softwares !
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] hotrod101:
I don't know if having people pay for his software is something that he wants. He really has not even ever proposed this as a posibility. He may have his reasons why he won't make people pay, why he wants to offer it for free. If someone wrote a novel and made it available for everyone for free to read, does that mean that someone can take that same novel and sell it to those less fortunate to realize that it is available for fee.

Some of these sites are including the app in the download and now one has removed the app and has made the link available; however, I have yet to see any of these sites mention on their main page that they have compiled all of this FREE software from various sites and give credit to those who developped the software. As the author of the applications, A_C should legally have control over who distributes it and who does not. It is a slap in his face and a complete disregard for the hard work he has put into these applications by selling it without A_C's permission. I don't blame him one bit for discontinuing development. Nor do I blame any of the other developers who are getting the shaft here. We have not heard much from A_C lately so who knows what he has planned for the future. We just need to let him know that we are standing behind him with whatever decision he makes.