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[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] DupinBJK:
The list of diacritics (accents). Each language has its own sequences, and all of them are included in a single list.

Tell me one thing: have you installed the "ABC as Default" too ?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] biceps333:
Yes of course:) I've instaled main program, then language pack - made soft reset - instaled ABC as default and dead keys as default - made soft reset - and then I've checked that up :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] dustinb17:
"LONG POST"

Let me first thank you for this Great Application as it has solved an issue I have had with my phone since the day I purchased it along with countless others that have the same phone. The phone is the Samsung SCH-i760 and it’s unique in the sense that it has both a KeyPad AND a QWERTY keyboard. Although the Front KeyPad has never had T9 support until you posted this App. So I thank you and apologize for this long post. I hope you can help.

Issues: Issues with QWERTY with KPad install, problems with T9 when [ABC as Default] installed

Model: Samsung SCH-i760

Previous keyboards installed: None, Standard Windows

Previous SIP changer installed: None

ROM version (6.0/6.1 - HTC/Cooked): 6.1

Resolution (QVGA/VGA): QVGA

Main Keyboard cab installed (NoKbd, KPad, CpKbd, FullKbd): KPad

Language Packs installed on the Keyboard: English

Customization cabs installed on the Keyboard: None (causes QWERTY keyboard issue), and [ABC as Default] (Causes “3” and “2” key keypad issues)

Description of the issue: This phone model (SCH-i760 has both a keypad, and a full slide out QWERTY keyboard. After installing “KPad” I now have T9 using the front KeyPad. But when using the full QWERTY Keyboard and I enter any numbers and a “period” I’m required to hit enter before it is applied. So at the end of every sentence I hit the period, and enter. Not a big deal and worth it to have T9 on the front as it was left off and has been an issue for i760 users. But some i760 users have had success installing the [ABC as Default] in post #2 to fix the issue with the “period” and numbers and still have full functionality of the T9 on the keypad. But when I install the [ABC as Default] it fixes my “period” issue but when using the keypad for T9 I lost the functionality of the “3” key. Whenever I selected the “3” it would enter a 3 rather than “d, e, or f” so the word “the” comes out as “th3”. I uninstalled it and went on dealing with the problem with the QWERTY keyboard but tried installing the [ABC as Default] again today and now not only do I have issues with the “3” but now it’s doing it with the “2” key as well. So I uninstalled it and I’m using the keypad install and dealing with the QWERTY problem because it’s worth it to me to have T9 on the front Keypad.

Did this issue exist even before the cab was installed?: The QWERTY keyboard issue wasn’t present before the install and there was never T9 support using the Front Keypad before this app was installed.

Detailed steps to reproduce the issue: Installed KPad install from Post #3 and English Language Pack from Post #4. (T9 issues with “3” and “2” only after installing the [ABC as Default] from Post #2
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Komeuppance:
I too have an SCH-I760, with WM6.0 and appreciate your T9 program a lot.

However, the problem I'm having is it messes up the text resolution/clarity in PIE. Before installing this program, I would not have to turn on ClearType (which only barely helps). It seems to only affect PIE, because of different sites using different fonts.

-Robert
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] DupinBJK:
You have to give more details. Make an issue report, and detail it with screenshots of your phones before the installation of the suite and after.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] DupinBJK:
So you are saying that some users have this issue and others don't ? You have to be sure of this, because it would mean that there are different keyboard layouts around, maybe even apparently similar. You should go and check for info, and find a photo of these "different" keyboards, to let me gain a better insight.

Remember, however, that "ABC as Default" turns off T9 as default method for both your hardware keyboards. After you use it, you can still use T9, but you have to select it manually each time. HTC has not foreseen a possible use for phones with the double layout, so there's just a single setting.

So, are you sure that - after you have installed "ABC as Default" - when you type on the Keypad you are using T9, and not ABC autocomplete ? HTC Keypad users have a T9 menu, mapped on one of the keys, but I don't know your case...

Once you uninstall the "ABC as Default", you have to install the "T9 as default" all over again, and vice versa. Now, it has to be seen whether the issue with the "2" key always exist or not.

You'll of course understand, at this point, that this suite has not been built with your layout in mind. There are settings which might be tried, but it's most probable that you'll have to choose between the Keypad T9 *or* the FullKbd one. Even so, the mappings for both T9 and ABC are included in a special hardware mapping file that should be changed especially for your phone. This means that, in a way or another, a different cab to deal with your layout should be made. This would require time and efforts not justifiable just because three users are reporting the use of the phone.

That's why on the first page I ask for successful reports too

.

You've posted a report because you have an issue, but otherwise you might have even considered it not necessary. It might not be true for you, but *if* there a lot of users with this phone who have downloaded this suite and should need a special version, then it's certainly true for them.

So far, I have one successful install and two reports, of which one is not detailed at all. Too few to spend time for test and research.

I'm not blaming you at all for this, obviously, but after nearly 13.000 downloads and just a bunch of successfull reports, things cannot go in a different way.

I'll try however to get the most detailed info from you, just in case. We could maybe find a way to ease those issues, but I cannot tell at this point.

Thanks,

BJK
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] sprob:
Thank you for developing such a great application. I install it on my Xperia and all of the installation procedure are successfull. I loved the keypad as it help me alot when i'm on the go. After using it for a while, I encounter some minor problem that i do not understand. Anyway here are my information and the issues;

Model :Sony Ericsson Xperia X1

Previous keyboards installed : None (only the default keyboard of X1)

Previous SIP changer installed: Not sure (how do you check this?)

ROM version (6.0/6.1 - HTC/Cooked): Windows 6.1

Resolution (QVGA/VGA): VGA

Main Keyboard cab installed (NoKbd, KPad, CpKbd, FullKbd):FullKbd

Language Packs installed on the Keyboard: English

Customization cabs installed on the Keyboard: None

Description of the issue: when i use the full qwerty keyboard, everytime i press the blue button (button below the shift) to access the number format, i got the symbol format instead.

Did this issue exist even before the cab was installed?: No.

Detailed steps to reproduce the issue: press the blue button and press any button that has the number format, it will give you a symbol instead (or any buttons that has the blue prints on it)

Btw is it possible to have just the keypad software for VGA without the full keyboard and the compact keyboard.

Thank you

Simon
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] DupinBJK:
This happens because the keyboards have an hardware layout mapping specific for HTC phones. It should be rebuilt from scratch, for your phone. Could you send me a link to a site with the specifications for your phone, and a photo of the keyboard ?

It should be possible, yes. Files would have to be removed and the settings in the registry should have to be changed. But it's not the purpose of this project.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] DupinBJK:
Indeed, there's a bit of misunderstanding.

Vetvito posted earlier than me, talking about his version of the cab that had still that problem. But I was already completing my work on my version of the cab, which doesn't suffer from the same issue, and then I later posted it on this thread.

Noonsky has kindly moved my post to the beginning of this thread, so it seems that Vetvito is reporting an issue against my version of the cab, but he's not, he's just talking about his version.

Until Vetvito will be back online, maybe to update his post, I can update the first one to clarify the issue.

Thanks for letting me know !
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] DupinBJK:
Hardware or Software key mappings ?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] DupinBJK:
Yes, I can confirm that fn+space doesn't work anymore. I don't have here "disable xt9", so I will look for it on xda and I'll investigate a bit further.

Thanks for reporting it.

It would be interesting to know if the Raphael suffer from the same issue or not. Anyone out there ?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Mikulec:
I am at work right now so I cant attach it here, but u can download the cab here
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] garsim:
hardware! :(
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] DupinBJK:
Found, thanks!

It seems a problem caused by the XT9 IME package from Tegic, the registry settings are as "designed" by the HTC programmers. We have to find a workaround for it, and Touch Pro users could be really useful at this...
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] DupinBJK:
Ok, I need a few more info:

Which kind of keyboard was previously installed ?

hardware mapping has worked right from the start, on your phone, or did you install anything to make it work ? Please detail.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] garsim:
on my device i haven't install any keyboard. the software input are defaults of windows mobile (keyboard,block recognizer, letter recognizer).
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] DupinBJK:
I've just found this, about the Touch Pro keyboard and T9:

[...]turn off T9 assist when using the hardware keyboard. To do this, slide out the keyboard, and press function+space and choose ABC.

it's from the Touch Pro review at PocketNow.com.

This is quite interesting. Now, we have to discover how to remap this function on the Kaiser, and what kind of menu appears to allow the choice.

Any good soul with a Touch Pro device willing to let us know ?

Thanks !
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] DupinBJK:
So you're using the default Touch Keypad and Touch Keyboard that come with the Touch Dual.

What language are you using ?

You say that you are using your own ROM, in your signature. Is it a production ROM, or is it cooked ?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] garsim:
i'm using my rom based on Niki Kitchen and i don't use(and haven't install) touch keyboard software input. i'm using only English (also for xt9)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] DupinBJK:
Well, you don't use it, but it's part of the Nike Rom, as far as I know. I might be wrong, but I assume it by browsing the user guide of the Touch Dual, which clearly shows it. Perhaps it's no longer part of your cooked rom.

Anyway, since you don't use those SIPs, I can only assume that the hardware key mapping is conflicting with some of the soft key mappings of the Opal package. The registry keys are set for a main 0409 language, so this sounds strange... I will look into it, maybe waiting for some other reports from the other users. More than a hundred have downloaded it, they will post sooner or later.

Meanwhile, since you don't have a previous version installed, uninstall should be safe. But before you do that, have you downloaded the Hardware key fix straight from the HTC support site ? I've read that many mapping issues for the Nike have been solved by that fix, not even related to the Diamond/Opal keyboard cabs...

Here's the link:

http://www.htc.com/europe/supportdownloadlist.aspx?p_id=44&cat=all
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] garsim:
i already have this patch but with new rom doesn't install! :(
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] goldengraham:
Alright, I removed everything from my phone (HTC Vogue) and this keyboard still runs slow. Well maybe thats a bit harsh. Compact QWERTY with T9 on is verrrry sluggish. Besides that... GOOD WORK!

Hope you can make an improvement to that because I'm a big fan of the Compact QWERTY. Back to gullums diamond for now.

GG
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] DupinBJK:
Well, you're welcome. So far, as you see, you're the only one reporting a speed issue. Since you feel better with the one made by Gullum, of course it's the better choice for you :)

Anyway, if you want to go further and take a look at the differences between the registry entries of the two cabs, you'll notice that they are exactly the same, right because they come from the same base configuration.

The things that change are the layout and the dictionary files, but this doesn't explain your issue.

Even the Tegic libraries have the same version found in the latest Raphael ROMS, so what's left ?

It might be caused by the changes in the ezinput.dll file, then, which is newer than the one found in the latest available ROMs, but on all the devices where I've personally tested the cab so far, no speed issue exist. If I were you, I'd double check with a similar device but with a different rom - not all cookers are created equal ;)

Thanks for your time, anyway !
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] goldengraham:
Hmmmm well I cooked it with 20273 kitchen myself. and I actually prefer your keyboard because it works properly with TF2D... is that .dll in question coded into the rom? I'm going to try and buld a 20226 rom and see if that helps.

Any other hints would be good also, I'll always try anything with this phone.

GG
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] DupinBJK:
All the files of this package come from the actual leaked Opal ROM, exactly like the ones that are being used to build the Manila2D, but, as I've said, only the ezinput.dll is really new. The dictionary files are the same found in the Raphael and Diamond ROM, and the layouts have only been converted (where necessary) for QVGA, but this has been done by HTC right for the Opal, which is still in QVGA.

The Tegic libraries are the latest ones found both in the Raphael and Diamond, too.

The only thing still worth to mention is that the cab made by Gullum has been made with libraries coming from a pre-release version of the diamond, you can see it from the version of both the ezinput.dll and the tegic dll(s). I know it for sure, because I'm disassembling that dll for a particular purpose. The version of the tegic libraries used, moreover, is the latest compatible with the previous version of the Touch Keypad and Keyboard - remember the old ones with the black background ?

This could lead me to think that it's a Vogue issue, maybe because of it core speed - after all I'm mainly testing the cab on a Kaiser, so there's a chance that the speed problem could not appear here, but this afternoon I've personally tested the cab on a Touch Dual, and I've not noticed any particular speed issue. Right, I must add that it was a production HTC Rom, with nothing else installed, but a bare metal test is always a good test.

That said, since there could be many unknown factors to explain your issue, I'm waiting to get more speed reports, to compare each configuration with yours. As you see, here is almost a no-man's land. As we use to say - No news is good news :)

I'll PM you if I'll discover anything new about it.

BJK
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] goldengraham:
Hmmmm... well 20270 didnt help, so i built a 20273 with a 32mb page file and everything seems to be ok (and i installed the original HTC Touch keyboard from the kitchen as well) as long as i installed it before i install TF2D... I would have done more tests but i got a nice fun error 270 and had to deal with that... need phone for work tomorrow.

I'll try a couple other things tomorrow.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] kristoff_sz:
I've installed this on my Kaiser

(Running Stock WM 6.0).

Then without testing installed SJ's XT9 CAB (attached with his Raphael Keyboard),

and I must say that I'm impressed.

Graphics are perfect.

Im using tapping method (without T9) and it works fantastic.

Landscape mode automaticaly set the QWERTY keyboard, and portrai automatic set's up previous defined keyboard.

Thanks guys. Have no problems so far!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] DupinBJK:
Thanks Kristoff_sz. If you don't mind I'll need your help once more a bit later on, right for the Polish cab.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] farzad23:
hi all

can i install HTC EzInput Keyboard Suites on typhoon smartphone ???
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] titus123:
Thanks a lot! Works with P3300

The QVGA T9 keyboard made my HTC P3300 useful for SMS (and other text input as well).

Just works perfect. I don't miss a real keyboard anymore.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] DupinBJK:
No, this is only meant for Pocket PC phones.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] DupinBJK:
I'm glad you liked it :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] laocheebye:
i have a lg ks20 with spocky kiss20.4 rom.

the installation went fine and i am able to use both the compact qwerty and the keypad with no issues.

but on the full qwerty keyboard, if i press any letter it will go crazy and keep typing space all the way. this only happens with the full qwerty.

i guess u win some u lose some, but the keypad is really the best i've seen. thanks for you work.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] DupinBJK:
Have you followed the instructions ? Installed a language pack, reset the phone and then selected your language ?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] dustinb17:
Yes, based on what I've seen from other users some have had no problems and some are having the problem with the numbers. At this point from what I can tell it only effects the number 2 and 3. One user actually reported that he has no problem with this app when "messaging" but when he is using PIE he has the issue with the 2 and 3 buttons. And based on my own experience when I first installed the "ABC as Default" I lost the functionality of the "3" key so I uninstalled it and my T9 worked great again. Then another user posted that on his phone "the disease was spreading" and his "2" had stopped working as well. So based on that post I reinstalled the "ABC as Default" and discovered that I too had lost the "2" key, something I HAD on my first install. I don't know if that helps you at all but I found it interesting as I don't believe any changes were made to my phone in between installs.

Yes, I've had to select the T9 method each time I use the keypad and everything works perfectly so long as I don't write something with the letters a-f as they are on the 2 and 3 key.

I have actually been able to uninstall the "ABC as Default" and have everything go back to normal. My QWERTY keyboard has the issue with the period but my T9 works perfectly on the keypad. I haven't needed to install the "T9 as Default" to get it to work correctly again.

I ABSOLUTELY understand that and even with the issues I have with the period using the full keyboard, it's well worth it to me to have the T9 on the Keypad. The lack of T9 on the keypad has bothered since day one so discovering your app here at XDA was a GREAT day. I hoped that maybe it was something simple because some seem to be having no problems and some seem to be having problems with only 2 keys. But if there's a need to develop a whole new layout just to fix the problem I would have a hard time justifying it as well.

Even thou I reported this as an "Issue" I would consider your application a huge Success to those of us that have this phone, and have discovered this app. I know, based on a number of forums, that this lack of T9 using the Keypad has been a disappointment for MANY i760 owners. And even with the issue I have using the period on the Full Keyboard, this will be one of the first programs I install after any Hard Reset.

Thank You again for your help, and thank you for developing this app. I'll continue to point i760 owners in your direction and hopefully make a donation. :)

Thanks,

Dustin
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] DupinBJK:
As if computer bugs were organic viruses... oh my :rolleyes:

Only things as memory leaks can get worst after time, and this is not the case. The "ABC as Default" cab just sets two registry keys that make ABC the default Input Method Editor on HTC phones; it might work or not on yours, but from this, thinking that day after day the desert will advance and corrupt other keys sounds a bit weird :)

An update to those two cabs is scheduled, but as you see, I recommend to install the other one, when you uninstall the previous. So you should install the T9 one, even if it seems to you that everything is ok. Cab Installation management doesn't always work as it should.

I'd like to get more info about the ones who are not experiencing the issue, to better understand the differences between your phones.

There are a couple of options that might be tested still, before considering the idea of a new hardware layout map. But to make a test, I first need to get more info about your phone. Detailed photos of the keyboards, key combinations used to enable/disable T9 on them (HTC phones can map a T9/ABC menu on the hardware keyboards, but I don't know how it works for you), and more info about those users who are not reporting the issue are needed. It might even be possible to build a special configuration, but without those info is like moving in he dark.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] LunaticSerenade:
* Model: SCH-i760

* Previous keyboards installed: none

* Previous SIP changer installed: none

* ROM version (6.0/6.1 - HTC/Cooked): WM 6.1 [Not Cooked]

* Resolution (QVGA/VGA): VGA

* Main Keyboard cab installed (NoKbd, KPad, CpKbd, FullKbd): KPad

* Language Packs installed on the Keyboard: English

I know I know, not HTC. But I figured I'd throw my results in so I can help out dustinb.

I do have the period issue, but I just ignore it, because T9 is worth that minor inconvenience.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] laocheebye:
Yup I done all that, that was why the compact qwerty and keypad worked. only problem happened with the full qwerty keyboard. wasn't able to figure out what's wrong with it so i just sticked to the original wm keyboard if i need a full one.