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[General Questions and Answers] joshnet3:
So for the long post but lots of information up front. I obtained an unlocked Verizon Sonim XP8 with Android 10 installed. It works with a Verizon sim as well as a FirstNet sim. I am trying to use a Visible sim in it. I've used this sim in an iPhone, iPad and Unihertz Atom without any issues as the latter 2 let me add the apn settings. The software on the XP8 is obviously from Verizon who locks the apn settings even though the phone is unlocked. The sim lets me select the Visible 4G network but puts in Verizon's apn settings instead of Visible and won't let me change them. I have tried various programs which fail to change the apn settings. One program let me add an apn but refused to save it saying my "user privileges" would not let me add an apn with the "dun" setting. I tried some one-click root programs (even though I didn't want to) which failed to root the device. There is no available dump for Android 10 to pull a boot.img from to modify. TWRP website shows no Sonim compatiblity and even when downloaded won't run on the phone so I cannot get the boot.img myself. I looked through this thread https://xdaforums.com/t/sonim-xp8-root.3851187/ Being a newbie, I think I need to use adb in order to pull the boot.img but am unsure where it is stored and where I am supposed to store the xml files that I create. If I can understand that process better and get the boot.img to root with Magisk, will this even solve my permissions problem with being able to add the apn settings? Is there an alternative or is the only way to solve this to flash the phone back to Android 8 with the stock images off this website to get rid of the Verizon problems? I'd really like to stay with Android 10 if at all possible. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

-Josh
[General Questions and Answers] baROMba:
Where did you get one with android 10? I have both the Verizon and ATT XP8s stuck on Android 8.1. I have had tickets open with Verizon for 2 months and they swear it is fully up to date with 8.1. It may actually be my APN configuration that is preventing the update.

I was able to get Visible working on my Verizon version by modifying just the apn name in the existing apn. I can't add new APNs on either ATT or VZW XP8s. Perhaps if you follow the other XP8 root thread you will see there is a method for rooting which gives you access to manually add APNs. I'm not sure if it works on Verizon model though...does anybody successfully have XP8 Verizon with Android 10 and root?
[General Questions and Answers] joshnet3:
I used a friend's Verizon sim card in it and went to System->System updates->Check for new system updates and it upgraded itself to Android 10. What did you modify the apn name to in order to get it to work? I have 4 apn settings I was given for Visible. The apn settings in the phone however leave little room for modification.
[General Questions and Answers] baROMba:
Using my Visible SIM on my Verizon device, I have only 1 APN instead of 4. By changing just the APN NAME, (which is all I can change), I am able to get visible data working. No MMS/SMS/ADMIN APNs but full speed data.

My primary sim for this is a Verizon prepaid. Was your friends sim a verizon post-paid account? Also, do you have the appropriate 4 verizon APNs on your phone? Maybe the admin APN is required for the update. Any chance we could swap screenshots of our APN configurations?
[General Questions and Answers] joshnet3:
The sim was a post-paid account. I don't have it in the phone right now. The only APN that shows up when I put the Visible sim in is named "Verizon" with an APN of "VZWINTERNET" MCC "311" MNC "480" APN type "default, dun,supl" APN protocol "IPv4/IPv6" APN roaming protocol "IPv4" I tried the root method in the thread I listed but when I type the command for the QSaharaServer it tells me the application is not executable even though I followed all the directions so I cannot even get the boot.img downloaded to begin the rooting process.
[General Questions and Answers] baROMba:
Just change APN name from VZWINTERNET to VSBLINTERNET.
[General Questions and Answers] joshnet3:
unfortunately that didn't work for me. not sure if that's an android 10 difference or something else... i do notice that when the phone starts i get a 4GLTE symbol which promptly goes away.
[General Questions and Answers] baROMba:
Did the APN name save? If so try the following:

Dial *#*#4636#*#*

Select Phone Information

Set Preferred Network type to "WCDMA Only"

Reboot and let it sit for 5 minutes without touching it to update it's settings.

It should automatically change but if not, Do it again and make sure Preferred Network Type is "LTE/CDMA/UMTS auto (prl)"

This got my VISIBLE sim on the right network along with the APN change.
[General Questions and Answers] joshnet3:
a lot of the secret codes have gone away with the android 10 update hence the need to root. i am unable to change the network type through the typical menu and the dailing code does not bring anything up, just returns to a blank screen. The network is stuck on "LTE/UMTS/GSM" no matter what I do.
[General Questions and Answers] jochu38@hotmail.com:
Were you able to root with android 10? I heard it hasnt been done as of yet due to the new android 10 features
[General Questions and Answers] minkhs:
Hello, can you backup rom android 10 to zip file, i can not update my xp8 OTA updae normally.

Thanks
[General Questions and Answers] Goofee691:
So I had to get a ATT sim without service from ebay, stuck it in and instantly had a update i could do which brought me to the last update before android 10. I then had to do a complete reset before it would even say it had another update. That got me to android 10. then doing the time/date trick got me to the current security patch level.

Unfortunately it still blocks the second sim slot.
[General Questions and Answers] mntechdad:
I appreciate the many work-arounds here and will look at getting a SIM from somewhere if needed, but is there not a more simple download / extract path? The unlocked XP8 I recently got is on 8.1.0 and would really like to get a tad more recent if possible. Many thanks in advance!

P.S. Got unlimited connectivity and a number from Mint, so at least a very functional device... have no need, so haven't tried 2nd SIM slot.
[General Questions and Answers] djcaptpln880:
I have a sonim x8800 as well

How do i install TWRP and root it? Thanks in advance
[Mogul, XV6800 General] mkenny2:
Unlimited Data Usage	$44.99/month

Email and Web for Smartphone	$29.99/month

trying to decide what what to get

Mod Edit: Moved from Titan Upgrading
[Mogul, XV6800 General] stevefxp:
VZW Plan

The 29.99 plan is the one you want. It is the unlimited plan, and identical to the more expensive plan, which is for older WM devices. Your 6800 qualifies for the cheaper plan.

Steve
[Mogul, XV6800 General] fvultee:
Wierd, my area (Cambridge, MA) only has the data plan at $49.99. Where are you all finding this 29.99 plan?
[Mogul, XV6800 General] mkenny2:
awesome so the 29.99 is unlimited also?
[Mogul, XV6800 General] Big Dawg 23:
IF you use an exchange server you will need the $44.99. If there is no need for exchange servers than you can do the $29.99. Both are unlimited.
[Mogul, XV6800 General] rhannahs19:
yep both are unlimited, the 29.99 plan isnt heavily advertised so you may have to ask for it
[Mogul, XV6800 General] TheCodeBenders:
$29.99 all the way. I switched as soon as they started offering it.
[Mogul, XV6800 General] rajuabju:
Correct. Thats basically the main difference as I understand it. The $44.99 plan is basically for Corporate Exchange users.
[Mogul, XV6800 General] azclown:
What I was told was that the $44.99 plan "included" the ability to tether "legally", while the 29.99 plan did not.... I switched to the $29.99 plan and haven't seen any issues..... And I still tether... lol
[Mogul, XV6800 General] stevefxp:
I have used the 29.99 with Exchange, so there is no issue there. Its all a bunch of crap. Go with the 29.99 plan. No worries!
[Mogul, XV6800 General] mkenny2:
thanks guys!
[Mogul, XV6800 General] Cycomachead:
VzW's site says that tethering is $15 + the $45 plan hich is equal to the data card....

In any case I have no data plan.
[Mogul, XV6800 General] kmanuel74:
call #611 and tell them you want the $29 plan. They offer it up here (I have it), just have to ask.
[Mogul, XV6800 General] normalguy:
VZSync

I'm on the $30 plan with Exchange Server...

I think the cheaper plan limits your ability to use the wireless sync program?
[Mogul, XV6800 General] Shawner:
I'm on the unlimited everything...work pays for it
[Mogul, XV6800 General] colton1118:
not true at all from my experience, i have no problem using exchange
[Mogul, XV6800 General] tcolling:
I'm on the 29.95 plan, and so is my wife. We don't use Exchange nor the vzw wireless push software. We just use IMAP mail along with other routine internet browsing, gps,etc. The 29.95 plan works fine for us.

- Tim
[Mogul, XV6800 General] DeanONH:
I just called VZW and in the Boston area there is only one unlimited data plan for the Titan 6800, and it costs $44.99 / month.
[Mogul, XV6800 General] kmanuel74:
They're lying to you then. I am on the south shore and I just signed up for it, via #611, 2 months ago. A friend from Weymouth was the one who told me. Don't give in, demand it and save yourself $15 a month

Kevin
[Mogul, XV6800 General] mdjkim:
I use the $29 plan and it works fine. I also use BT and USB Internet Sharing (used to use PdaNet but I don't need it anymore)
[Mogul, XV6800 General] SteveNYC:
As an overall summary, the $45 per month Unlimited Data plan and the $30 per month Unlimited Data Plan are identical with the sole difference being that the $45 per month adds on a feature called Verizon Wireless Sync.

Most people don't know what Wireless Sync is and I don't know anyone personally that uses it. I last used WS years ago with my old Treo 650. It's a decent tool and was useful when it first came out, but these days people would be far better off going with a free or low-cost Exchange account from someplace like Mail2web.

With respect to ActiveSync, Verizon made a big deal of saying that ActiveSync would not work on the $30 per month Unlimited Data Plan. This is not true and never was true. They were just trying to scare off users would likely have a higher average data usage.

My personal belief is the following... Verizon knew that AT&T would begin pricing their 3G plan for the new iPhone at $30 long before it ever became official. So Verizon quietly put out the "new" lower priced unlimited plan on the market a few months earlier. This way they were not at a steep pricing disadvantage. Verizon also limited the applicability of this cheaper plan to newer handsets in the beginning. This way, people who had older PDAs and were paying $45 a month would upgrade to newer handsets (and the resulting new contracts). The lower pricing was originally available only for Blackberry handsets and then moved over to the Windows Mobile handsets where it has been gradually expanded to include all of the newer handsets.

Of course, I got grandfathered in under an old $20 unlimited data plan with Wireless Sync, 800 TXT Msgs and 100 Pix Msgs, so it's a safe bet that I'll be buying handsets off of eBay for a long, long time! :D No way I'm letting them touch my plan! :p
[Mogul, XV6800 General] nylaw:
I can confirm when I downgraded the wireless sync stopped working. Verizon actually assured me it would still work. When I finally got through to PDA support the rep had to ask his supervisor and she confirmed it does not work on the lower plan.

They claim on the phone that Exchange Server won't work. We all know that is not the case. The guy in Boston actually got the correct answer. They call the $45 plan "unlimited" they call the $29 4 or 5 gigs.

I loved the wireless sync BTW. The free mail2web does not do what Wireless sync did. I believe you would have to pay for an exchange server account on their site to replicate.
[Mogul, XV6800 General] gc14:
What exactly does the wireless sync do for you that mail2web doesn't?

Where on the south shore dude?
[Mogul, XV6800 General] fvultee:
Just to be clear, I DO use an exchange server that connects through ActiveSync. Would that still work with the 29.99 plan? I just called Verzion and they said it would not, however I'm getting conflicting information in this thread. Anyone?
[Mogul, XV6800 General] kmanuel74:
That's funny, because I'm paying $29.99 and have unlimited. Can't speak for wireless sync, never used it. Pay what you want.

America's home town, Plymouth.
[Mogul, XV6800 General] gc14:
Nice nice, my family is from New Bedford...not too far away :)
[Mogul, XV6800 General] kmanuel74:
If you can live withoyt it for a day, give it a try. If it does not work, go back, your only out a day or so.

New Bedford, good Porguise food.
[Mogul, XV6800 General] kashabrown:
I have relatives in New Bedford - great area - GREAT seafood!!!
[Mogul, XV6800 General] nylaw:
I was syncing my pop email account. The free version doesn't do pop. I know I could forward everything to an an IMAP account but that just seems messy to me. Right now I am using Mobipush just to get my email.

Wireless Sync really is good and simple to use. In my case though I wasn't "needing" it, I just liked using it.

BTW thank you so much for all your efforts here. I am of the silent majority whom rarely posts but read a lot and I have used your advice many times.
[Mogul, XV6800 General] jupitervast:
Just Changed My Plan!

This thread was a sweet find! I just changed from the 44.99/month plan to the 29.99 plan. I am an Exchange user, but according to the comments in this thread it shouldn't be a problem. The CSR I spoke with mentioned something about the IT department not authorizing my connection with Exchange, while using the 29.99 plan, but I doubt this will be a problem for me as my IT deptartment allows us to connect any WM phone to our Exchange servers.
[Mogul, XV6800 General] thelastspartan:
Just had a question for all of you...

So I'm just finding out about this $30/month data deal, my question is would this limit me from sending instant messages from a third party vendor, like Shape Service IM+? Also how much is your total phone bill? Or do you guys just use your phone as a pda and not use it as a phone at all? I'm asking because my phone bill is way way way up there... about $130/month... If possilbe let me know what plan you have so I can change this almost paying $3,000 to verizon for 2 yrs. Thanks guys and gals.
[Mogul, XV6800 General] DeanONH:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Ok...

Something must be different here. It would be very dangerous for Verizon to lie to us when we call. I will record the next call I make.

I live in West Newbury, 5 miles SW of Newburyport, MA.

I am using a Family Voice plan, which is $10 cheaper and the 2nd phone is $10. I also get 8% company discount & a 12% feature discount.

Are you $29 folks using a Voice plan or a Voice & Data Plan?

Perhaps it is my 2 phones on a Family Share Plan, discounts, etc. that disqualifies me from the $29 unlimited data. Hard to compare apples to apples with all these variables.

Dean
[Mogul, XV6800 General] mjg7876:
I have been on the $29.99 plan (Family Share with 2 phones, mine being the 9.99 add on) for about 3 months now, I have used exchange with activesync with no problems. I will say that the wirelessSync will NOT work (at least with verizon servers). Some of you on this plan have tethered, did you get billed extra for that? I would love to use it with my carPC, but am scared too ;)

CLEAN
[Mogul, XV6800 General] gc14:
The ONLY difference between the $29.99 unlimited plan and $44.99 unlimited plan is the ability to use Wireless Sync in a corporate environment. Exchange via Activesync still works. Tethering is a completely different feature and has it's own separate charge based on what plan you have. If you have the $44.99 plan, tethering is cheaper etc.

Personally, I loathe Wireless Sync and wouldn't use it even if the data plan was free. If corporate solutions via Wireless Sync is not important to you, go with the $29.99 plan.
[Mogul, XV6800 General] drmp3z:
I think Wireless Sync is awesome if you leave your PC at work. It ties right into outlook and all my folders and rules work on my 6800 perfect. SO wireless sync is great. Plus there is unlimited on internet phone only. If you tether to pc you still only get 5 gigs a month
[Mogul, XV6800 General] gc14:
Do you use Wireless Sync with Microsoft Exchange?
[Mogul, XV6800 General] Keland44:
what's are you goes average bill thinkin about possibly switchin to vzw one of the reasons why i looked away was because of the expensive plans i'd probably get a shared plan of 1400 or a individual with the cheapest plan and probably the 30 dollars text plan and 250 text
[Mogul, XV6800 General] blancmik:
I also use the 29.99 plan (I started with the 45 plan and switched as soon as I learned about it here.

They say that you cannot tether with this plan nor sync with exchange, however the reality is that you can sync with exchange, just not through the vzw sync servers that verizon provides. With a custom ROM you can tether without issue (though it is against the TOS)

I have been running on this plan for a couple of months and teather regurally and sync (directly) with an exchange server without issue or any suprises on my bill.
[Mogul, XV6800 General] mkenny2:
I am glad I posted about this....I thought I would be an idiot for asking LMAO. The company I worked for had wifi throughout so I never paid for data.....now the company I am with has us stuck behind a proxy and gives access to like 8 websites......so I am looking to add the data plan.
[Mogul, XV6800 General] Keland44:
sounds like we work for the same company
[Mogul, XV6800 General] joojoobee666:
<rant>

I remember the conversation I had with the VZW rep about data plans when I was getting ready to replace my crappy BREW lg phone. Apparently, some phones REQUIRE the $45/month data plan. Why? "because you can sync with exchnage and tether." But we all know that syncing with exchange on the $30 works just as well, and that there are many ways to bypass the lack of tethering. I almost bought the i760, but that it required $45 data plan turned me off, hence my acquiring of the titan. DAMN, am I glad that happened. I am pretty sure that I am one of the users that abuses the "unlimted" $30/month.

The only difference as far I as I can discern is that if your data usage gets to high on the $30/month, they will suspect tethering, and ass-rape you for charges/force you to change plans.

</rant>
[Mogul, XV6800 General] fvultee:
Well that's the strange thing. Never since I've been a customer of Verizon has tethering been included in the 44.95 plan, it's always been an add-on feature (for another 15/month). I was paying that for a long time, 44.95 + 15 a month. Are you all telling me that the 44.95 plan actually says somewhere that it includes tethering? I'm pretty sure it doesnt...
[Mogul, XV6800 General] kmanuel74:
When I changed I sked what the difference was, and the CSR said the "ability" to tether. I stated I could not tether now. Basically it boiled down to the $45 plan can tether for anadditional $15. With the $30 plan, tethering isn't even an option.
[Mogul, XV6800 General] gc14:
1. There is no data plan that includes tethering. Tethering is and always will be a completely separate feature and a completely separate charge. However, the data plan you have affects the cost of the tethering feature. The higher the data plan you have, the lower the cost for tethering.

2. We can easily get around the ability for them to detect tethering with a few simple registry edits, allowing us to tether WITHOUT adding the tethering feature, regardless of what data plan we have.

3. Exchange through Activesync works exactly the same on all data plans, and works quite well. Exchange through crappy Wireless Sync ONLY works on the $44.95 plan.

That should clear up just about every issue talked about in this thread thus far.
[Fire TV Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Sus_i:
Yes, you can try the unlock infront of the setup, that is the way to go.

But I would test your ruined stick first, it doesn't harm anything... maybe big A. messed the efuse burning up, who knows. Short the stick and in case you can't see 'phone' mode in lsusb, the efuse is burned as expected.
[Fire TV Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] emkorial:
Thanks, how would I unlock the device and block the updates without having to go through through Fire Stick setup (which would force the update)

As I understand it, I could

1 - Boot up the modified Linux iso in a VM

2 - Open the Fire Stick and use the aluminum foil to short it

At that point, how do I connect the Fire Stick to my PC? If I plug it into my TV and connect it to my network, it's going to auto update.

Once the above quesiton is answered, I could then run the scripts and get root and get twrp via the scripts in the Linux iso. But at that point, what would I flash in TWRP to block the OTA updates? I would not be anle to get to any point that allows me to enable ADB debugging without going through the Fire Stick setup, which would force the OTA updates
[Fire TV Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Sus_i:
The thing is really easy.

Older 4k sticks are vulnerable to the current kamakiri exploit, and newer sticks are not.

Amaz. fixed with 6.2.8.0 the bootrom feature used in kamakiri, so any kamakiri vulnerable stick gets fixed with that update... Only way to prevent this fix, is to unlock it first, then the OTA updates can't harm anything.

The unlock protects them. In this case the update is fine...

If you want to try the unlock, you need to follow the kamakiri OP.

You don't need a TV or a network connection for your stick.

You need the usb cable and some tinfoil.

No one knows if your stick is vulnerable or not.

You may check this in a terminal with the lsusb command, while shorted (see the unlock OP for details).

If you can keep the stick with the short in 'phone' mode (look in lsusb a few times instead of running the bootrom-step), you're lucky and the unlock may work.
[Fire TV Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] emkorial:
I thought even if you were unlocked, once you were auto updated, the eFuse is blown and you can't downgrade?

FOr the old Fire Stick (that has never been upgraded so it should be fine) once I unlock the device and flash TWRP, what would I flash to prevent the OTA update from taking place during the setup of the device?
[Fire TV Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Sus_i:
No, unlocked = safe.

There isn't a reason to mess with the initial update, as long as you've done the unlock successfully and TWRP is in place. Then you can downgrade anytime later to whatever OS version, if you like.

After you did the unlock, flash magisk, do the initial setup, enable adb, you can use adb shell commands to disable the OTA updates.
[Fire TV Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] emkorial:
How do I interact with TWRP if it isn't plugged into the TV?? What do you see the TWRP screen on to navigate it??
[Fire TV Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Sus_i:
See post two and three in the unlock thread...

Most people use always TWRP commandline via ADB.
[Fire TV Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] emkorial:
So I am still very confused. If I have the Fire Stick only connected to my computer via USB cabl, there will be no Fire Stick display anywhere. So I will be unable to interact with TWRP. But step 1 of post 2 says I can use an OTG mouse to interact with TWRP. How can you use a mouse when the Stick isn't plugged in to a TV?? How do you even boot into TWRP when the stick isn't plugged in?

The second point says use a command line and use ADB, but I thought you need to have ADB permissions set on the device to allow that to work, and you can't get to those ADB permissions without activating the device, which will update it, which defeats the whole purpose

I really appreciate the help but I am totally confused. This is so very frustrating.