yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] low.flying.pigs:
Wrong. Few words and thorough rebuttal of your nonsense. You could be a troll, as users have speculated.

GPS Cycle Computer. Potentially imminently.

Nowhere, were you right. Everywhere, you were wrong.

Your questions have been answered. There was no criticism of your opinion, as non was given, instead only your nonsense.

It always had multiple good reasons to be implemented. The only nonsense was your objections.

Wrong. Hardware power button of the device is not always required to switch on the device. Some devices have potential to be switched on when external power is applied, such as when using an external USB power pack for example. Analysis has been ongoing for some time. The hardware power button of the device would not then need to be used.

Yes. Agreed. It was on the proposals list. As were other related aspects.

Wrong. Entirely. If these situations did not exist on forum in the first instance and thus require tackling on forum, it would actually be better for all users. Hence tackling. As has been exhaustively previously documented. It had been ongoing long before your active posting began, and then immediately affected you. Furthermore, it is only by tackling this you have the Windows CE compatibility you currently enjoy. You will recall being initially dismissed, without cogent reason based upon profound ignorance, as to whether you needed to use such old devices.

low.flying.pigs
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] ElfKaa:
Hi Klaus,

Yes, I understand, but I haven´t seen any application that has option to shutdown the device on closing..

lfp is even then telling that

But he wasn´t able to telling me one that has it.. Even that I don´t think GCC shouldn´t be the first - if it has the cogent reason :)

It may also be done from the system after closing the GCC application.. Then it is the question why GCC will have to have this.. But it is your project and it is only my opinion, If you like it - and lfp will find the solution how to implement it, I am not against it at all..

And then - it don´t affect anything another..

Lukas
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] low.flying.pigs:
Irrelevant. Ignorance is not a valid basis of objection. That however has never stopped you. A classic trait of trolling.

Wrong. It has not been chosen to inform you. Furthermore it is unnecessary. Additionally, you are resistant to being informed. You persistently invent a continual stream of fallacious arguments to relentlessly continue objection where non would ordinarily exist, invariably, where no one else objects, everyone else being ordinary and normal. In this instance, having had all previous such arguments thoroughly rebutted. As this has in turn been. Such conduct is a classic trait of trolling.

Wrong. You have objected from the outset and throughout. Baselessly. Whether first or not is irrelevant.

Irrelevant. Multiple cogent reasons for implementation have existed from the outset and throughout, and have been exhaustively documented. Hence initial proposal.

Wrong. Underlying Operating System is unused and unseen, the primary purpose of the functionality.

Furthermore, irrelevant. Same reason as wrong.

Irrelevant. Multiple cogent reasons for implementation have existed from the outset and throughout, and have been exhaustively documented. Hence initial proposal.

Wrong. Briefly, the project is Open Source. It belongs to everyone and no one, non commercially. Copyright is different.

Wrong. It is not your opinion, as non was given, instead only your nonsense. A classic trait of trolling.

Irrelevant. Users require it.

In progress. Now it has actually been requested.

Wrong. You have objected from the outset and throughout. Baselessly.

Irrelevant. Functionality never at any time adversely affected any existing functionality or user.

Unless you see fit to respond further, to which in turn further response shall be received, this shall be considered to be the end of the matter.

I look forward to future feedback with interest from all users that take the time to actually positively contribute.

Further information to be added.

low.flying.pigs
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] willpom:
oops
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] low.flying.pigs:
Fortunately for you, there are others that can be bothered getting involved in literally thankless tasks. Such users have made a contribution providing support to others, resolving their issues with GPX Route Files, viewing Readme and browser issues, and continue working on Ordnance Survey Mapping.

Apart from making the silent majority of users feel they cannot be bothered, the other type of 'contributor', that requires tackling, as detailed in earlier posts and has been exhaustively previously documented, do nothing.

A classic effect of trolling. A classic objective of trolling.

I look forward to future feedback with interest from all users that take the time to actually positively contribute.

low.flying.pigs
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Blaustein:
to give that contending ***** a meaningful task...

attached a new beta with some discussed extensions.

Klaus
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] ElfKaa:
Thank you Klaus!

Lukas

---------- Post added at 12:56 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:39 AM ----------

Wow, it is nice! Great, you have add the bottom info panel to the navigation also! Good idea! :good:

The remove last waypoint is enough to be useful now for planing with waypoints also.. I haven´t tried loaded map with waypoints yet.. I will try tomorrow, now I have to go to sleep.. But I tried to make quickly waypoints on track and it seems it is working good..

And I see you smaller the font to be corresponding with the resolution correctly - now all the text of icons fits to there well..

Lukas

Aah, and - ten seconds to hide seems better now.. Thanks
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] low.flying.pigs:
Before post 2226 was needlessly interupted and dismissed as obsolete and thereby irrelevant by said 'contending ****' in post 2227, amongst other things, the following was to have been included:

4.12beta18 onwards start landscape orientation following initial text boxes, this previously resolved issue having recurred again. When there are no initial Message Boxes, GCC starts correctly. In 4.12beta17 there were no issues with initial Message Boxes.

To observe, delete or rename any existing GpsCycleComputer.dat to reset GPS Cycle Computer. Tested in Windows CE 5 Emulated Environment. Not applicable to any Windows Mobile OS or device.

To resolve, there are two apparent options:

A simplisic approach that would address this current issue and prevent any future similar recurrance would be to firstly start GCC to the main screen, and then secondly display any initial Message Boxes.

Alternatively, the current issue can be addressed, leaving initial Message Boxes to display before Main Screen as at present.

The above is not obsolete or thereby irrelevant to users of Windows CE based devices, that incidentally have the right to use any device they wish and enjoy GPS Cycle Computer compatibility, regardless of said 'contending *****' questioning of such and nonsense regarding those being old devices.

low.flying.pigs
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] WolWer:
Hi, Klaus! Really great job: test of beta21 today / t2f - time_2_dest etc. without any complaint - perfect, fit for official release 4.12!

A tip for those GCC-users, who design their rides in web-based route planners and use gpx-export for t2f in GCC: In auto-routing mode most route planners generate a lot of trackpoints, which sometimes may cause confusion for audible/visual branch advises of GCC: E. g. in roundabouts a turn right ist instantly followed by a turn left, and this small deviation from straight course is exactly pictured by trackpoints. To avoid this I recommend to reduce number of trackpoints by applying algorithm like Douglas-Peucker (available in gpx-editor) or Whitkam-Reumann (both available in gps-track-analyse.net). I prefer Whitkam-Reumann.

cu & tx - WolWer
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] low.flying.pigs:
Hello jerome34,

Further to post 2241, you may wish to try the following to switch on your HTC Jade / HTC Touch 3G without using the hardware power button, which is not always needed or necessary.

It is not ideal, however, it is better than an entirely unusable device.

It would assist if the device battery was at least partially charged in advance.

Press and hold the volume down button.

Whilst still holding down the button, plug in to the device the working powered on USB charger.

Device should switch on. Stop pressing the volume down button now.

With device switched on, now press the soft reset button on the rear within the battery compartment.

Device should reset and then boot straight in to Windows Mobile.

It should work. If it does, you could for now either repeat as necessary, or keep the device charged and permanently on.

The above is known to work on many HTC devices, such as HTC HD2.

Similar procedure may work on other HTC devices, and on devices from other manufacturers.

low.flying.pigs
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] WolWer:
Hi Klaus! Today on track reduced by means of Whitkam-Reumann method (corridor 25m as recommended in GPS.Analyse.Net) branch advises were as perfect as can be. One issue regarding bottom infos in map view: choice of variable and view mode seem not to be stored on finishing GCC, since after restart representation and variables are not the same as in last session.

Another issue occurred in Manni123's MEDION E4460/WIN CE 6 (landscape display): While 4.12.beta14 shows no blue bar on top, it's back in 4.12beta21 cu - Wolfgang
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Blaustein:
Hello low.flying.pigs,

it is more complex: it depends on whether the .dat file doesn't exist or if it is only too short (update scenario). In Version beta21 it even has one more case when the file is very short.

Version beta17 had problems with the update scenario.

But now (next beta22) I think it will handle all cases correct.

Hello Wolfgang,

did Mani123 try to deselect "App full screen" and select it again? Did he try to exit GCC and restart it again?

Please ask him to find out the exact Windows version (Start - Settings - System).

The info fields at bottom are dependant on whether t2f is loaded or not. It makes no sense to display distance_2_dest if there is no destination defined, therefore in this case there is a separate definition what to display. There are 2 ticks in menü selected, one above the separator and one below the separator (when t2f is loaded).

Regards, Klaus
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] WolWer:
Don't know - I've transfered7translated your questions to the relevant thread in gopal-navigator.de

Sure, but chosen info fields in map view should be the same after restart of GCC - in both modes (t2f or cruising). But they aren't! Thus, I've got to edit these infos every time after restart of GCC.

cu - Wolfgang
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Blaustein:
Hello Wolfgang,

on my emulator they are. Can you describe exact which elements do you choose and what do the fields display after restart (perhaps screen shots)?

Do other options work correct or do you have a general options problem (writing the file GpsCycleComputer.dat)?

Regards, Klaus
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] WolWer:
Choice initial 1. start 2. start 3 start

cruizing mode km/h & time km/h & time km/h & time km/h & time

t2f km- & time2dest km/h & time* km- & time2dest km- & time2dest

On 1. start I checked choice of varable in context menu - ist was exactly the same as initially. Back to map view both info fields are as choosen - funny, on 2. and 3. restart everything was ok. Up to now I didn't notice any options prob.

Tx & cu - Wolfgang

p. s.: Manni123 - refer to GoPal-Navigator-Forum
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Blaustein:
Hello,

attached the new version 4.12beta22 (possible release candidate).

It should solve the bugs:

- incorrect start in full screen when there are Message Boxes

- blue title bar on WinCE6

Regards, Klaus
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] jerome34:
Hello,

Thinks a lot for our help

everything can be repaired but for my device it's very difficult because it's a very small power switch and the problem that's the contact is always on so, the device wants to make a soft reset all the time.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] low.flying.pigs:
Hello jerome34,

It is unfortunate and unusual the power button has become damaged and stuck in the pressed position. When the button is unresponsive / stuck in unpressed position, the procedure in post 2268 should work.

To resume usage of the device, unless repairing / replacing the button, options would appear limited.

Ideally, the button needs to be freed so that it is not in the pressed position.

Sometimes there is a separate outer button which operates a micro switch underneath, and wiggling this separate outer button can sometimes reseat the button / free the switch so it is no longer pressed. When reseated / freed, the device may work normally. If not, the earlier procedure may allow the device to continue to be used. This applies when the switch itself is not damaged and stuck in the pressed position.

Alternatively, sometimes Windows Mobile can still be accessed and the troublesome button reassigned to do nothing, either using Windows Mobile settings or another application. That however would only be effective on the button when Windows Mobile is running. With the power button / switch stuck in pressed position, if the device were turned off by other means, it would immediately now turn on as the button is stuck pressed. To turn off and remain off would require removal of the battery.

Without detailed information, only general advice can be given.

low.flying.pigs
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] HaukeRun:
4.12beta22 on Medion S3857

Hello Klaus,

I tested 4.12beta22 and the enhancements on Medion S3857. It’s a great version. Congratulations to the developers. I found only one little thing to complain …

When an info field in the map is set to “battery“ the capacity is shown in percent (%). After some time (only when GPS is on) behind the percent value is displayed automatically another value (e.g. 5h23m). What is this? First I thought it is the rest capacity of the battery in hours/minutes. But the value is counting up and not down! When three info fields are displayed the long battery value (e.g. 75% 5h23m) is now clashing into the other info field values, so it is badly to read all the information. Is it possible to fix this problem? I think it is sufficient to display only the percent value. Thanks a lot.

Best Regards

HaukeRun
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] WolWer:
I fully agree with HaukeRun: 4.12beta22 is mature for new official release except issue mentioned by HaukeRun: it's the same on Medion S3867/CE5. tx & cu - WolWer

p. s.: Waypoints are properly shown in map view, but letters are too small for shortsighted people!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] WolWer:
OSM Mapnik / MobAC

Hi!

I can't download any additional tiles to my mapnik-filestore - has MobAC been excluded from mapnik-dl as described by low.flying.pigs quite a few post ago? Mapquest and 4umaps.eu are still available for dl. cu - WolWer
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] WolWer:
One prob occurred in GCC: Since I've got to add other atlasses (e. g. from map quest or 4umaps.eu) to the first version created from mapnik, I added a second atlas - same zoom level - to the maps folder, named 15_mapquest. Original folder 15 remained where it was: Just edit main folder names, and another atlas will be used by GCC - that was my idea. Result: No map found! Thus I've got to move that second atlas folder somewhere else - simply editing main folder name doesn't work. Or may I mix files from different map sources in relevant zoom level folder e. g. by synchronizing them with free commander xe? cu - WolWer
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] low.flying.pigs:
This is not a problem with GPS Cycle Computer.

With OSM format maps, the numbered folder and file name relate to the coordinate of the tiles, and non standard folders or file names that deviate from this structure prevent normal operation.

Only the parent folder / directory of a OSM format map can be renamed. The numbered child folders / sub directories therein, and the file names of the tiles within those, must remain unchanged, must not deviate from the format, and would not normally be altered.

The folders / tiles within the parent folder can be copied from from various map sources to create hybrid maps as required / desired, provided the numbered file names of the folders / and tiles remain unchanged. Therefore, only one of any particular folder, and one of any particular tile can exist within the parent folder.

Usually, separate map sources have separate parent map folders for this reason, amongst others.

low.flying.pigs
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] WolWer:
@ low.flying.pigs: Thanks for your advises!

Map source availability is of course no prob of GCC, but may be a reason for quite a few people, not to use GCC, since generation of suitable maps is quite tricky and map resources of MobAC (to my opinion the most convinient way to create maps for "no-nerds") grow less and less.

cu - WolWer
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] WolWer:
It's a pity - I've tried mapquest and 4umaps with MobAC: jpg generated from mapquest are too light, and from 4umaps have all an awful red cast!

Any idea where to get maps in same quality as mapnik, fitting for cycling? cu - WolWer
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] WolWer:
I guess your idea to generate maps for GCC is by means of geofabrik / maperitive. Well, though my desktop system fits requirements of maperitive it starts with an error message, error report cannot be sent because of missing rights or something like - that's all. cu - WolWer
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] WolWer:
"And here, poor fool, I stand once more - no wiser than I was before." cu - WolWer
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] low.flying.pigs:
Submitting extracts from Faust by Johann Wolfgang von Goethe is unlikely to help.

Users have been requested since at least 3 October 2011 by OpenStreetMap not to use / abuse MOBAC, See here.

This has nonetheless been persistently and deliberately ignored. Consequently access and services have been withdrawn. Potentially further access will be withdrawn until no free unrestricted access to either Tile Servers or raw data remains for anyone as has been exhaustively previously documented.

If you wish to be specific about what is not understood, a specific response can be provided.

low.flying.pigs
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] WolWer:
But it describes exactly, what I learned from our discussion.

I've just followed recommendations given in readme.html of GCC - without extensive download of map tiles. So don't blame me for this reason! The only one I'ld like to know, is where to get additonal maps for GCC - without maperitive and abuse of any sources.

cu - WolWer
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] low.flying.pigs:
It describes having learnt nothing. You enquired about and ought to have learnt from the response the reason the Map Source named 'OpenStreetMap Mapnik' in MOBAC stopped working is because it was blocked due to abuse, OpenStreetMap having requested MOBAC not be used in the first instance. Furthermore, CloudMade was was founded by the founder of OpenStreetMap, Steve Coast. CloudMade has recently permanently withdrawn all free services, not just their Tile Servers, but also their pre prepared invaluable raw data and pre prepared excerpts thereof from which tiles are generated. Undoubtedly relentless abuse contributed to that.

Readme files require changing with regards to MOBAC and similar tools, such as JTileDownloader, which is also blocked by OpenStreetMap, see here.

GPS Cycle Computer itself requires changing for OpenStreetMap compliance as has been documented.

Usually Tile Server service providers and users of MOBAC and similar tools have different opinions on what constitutes 'extensive download of map tiles'. Usually, the only reason such bulk download tools are used is to download in bulk, which is usually inherently excessive. Usually such tools do not behave in a manner an ordinary compliant slippy map application would, and always load the Tile Server abnormally, even when downloading what a user may consider a small area.

Often responses are not intended just for those addressed, but to the wider readership generally.

You were not blamed. You have not 'taken a beating plenty of LFP' either, as the English translation, as attached, claimed here.

My concern regarding OpenStreetMap mapping is the impact it has on GPS Cycle Computer. Unfortunately the project is currently somewhat reliant upon it. Efforts have been made to decrease this reliance with proposals of alternate mapping formats and sources and API's.

Any GPS Cycle Computer dedicated Tile Servers and Pre Packaged Maps would be OpenStreetMap reliant, there existing no alternative source of raw data.

OpenStreetMap do not need to provide their current services in their current form, of any services for free, or allow them to be accessed without restriction. OpenStreetMap have changed licence terms in the past and can do so again. Access can, and has in part, been withdrawn. Further access can be withdrawn. Similarly other service providers do not need to provide for free either, and some have withdrawn entirely.

Being so reliant, GPS Cycle Computer would suffer severe detriment were OpenStreetMap to become further restricted resultant from abuse.

Effort has been made to demonstrate free access can remain when implemented securely and sustainably, as it should have been from the outset.

Refer to post 2294 below.

low.flying.pigs
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] low.flying.pigs:
Further to earlier posts regarding devices and mapping formats:

Proof of concept photographs are attached of GPS Cycle Computer 4.12beta22 running on:

Left device ...... Memory-Map™ Adventurer 2800. Windows CE 5 based. GPS Comm 2, 9600 Baud.

Right device ... Memory-Map™ Adventurer 3500. Windows CE 6 based. GPS Comm 2, 9600 Baud.

Both devices are current models still in production, readily available brand new and second user. Both have cycle mounts available.

Further testing required. Further information to be provided when available.

All trademarks and registered trademarks are the property of their respective owners.

low.flying.pigs
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] WolWer:
Since my knowledge of preparing maps for GCC ends with MobAC, I'ld like to revert to GCC itself and suggest a improvement regarding power consumption: Is it possible, to deactivate display after a certain time of users inactivity (preferably user definable)? GPS and GCC to be kept active, thus branch advises would inform acoustically in time. Display to be reactivated on any touch of display. That would help to save a lot of power as I know from my android device! tx & cu WolWer
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] WolWer:
For routing purposes original GoPal-software is still installed on both of my MEDION OD devices running WIN CE 5 (S3857 & S3867). Thus, following LFP's explanations on that matter, I've activated "display off after 2min" in GoPal - and it works in GCC, too: After 2 minutes of inactivity backlight is switched of and reactivated bý any tap on the screen, just as required - perfect! Tx & cu WolWer
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] WolWer:
Maperitive

As proposed by LFP I've tried to load RegBez Koeln from geofabrik into maperitive:

format osm.pbf failed due to "The boundedCapacity argument must be positive" (applies to all osm.pbf-files from geofabrik).

format osm.bz2 failed after reading 5.800.000 nodes due to "System.OutOfMemoryException".

Only 1 GB RAM is far too less for this application. cu - WolWer

p. s.: Are there any copyright reasons prohibiting upload of jpg-files for GCC generated e. g. from hikebikemap.de-files to a filehoster for public DL?