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[About XDA developers] IronTechmonkey:
Sir, you are too kind.

That former yellowish-orange resembles the color which has been used for decades going back to amber (and green) monochrome monitors because it tends to have the lowest contrast with both white and black backgrounds while maintaining enough difference to be distinct. At some point in the evolution of these interfaces when they first became color (late 1980s through early 1990s CGA) blue was introduced as a low contrast color when mixed with yellow and other low contrast colors only - but not when mixed with white or black. The current blue on white backgrounds somehow manages to be less noticeable when looking for a link and more visually jarring due to the lack of contrast and the similar to tonality between the blue and the white (both cool). Using a lighter blue would make this even worse on the white background so I would vote for returning to orange for links, and I'd be interested in hearing the rationale for switching to blue.
[About XDA developers] Oswald Boelcke:
I've restored your thread and just left the post deleted.
[About XDA developers] woodman:
About this ^^ I think only @svetius would have something to say.
[About XDA developers] BillGoss:
So would I!
[About XDA developers] Wolfcity:
I like both.....
[About XDA developers] BillGoss:
Then it would be nice if this was user-selectable as part of theming. That would be a win-win.
[About XDA developers] IronTechmonkey:
As.for color choices how about ultra-violet and flesh-tone? (George Carlin anyone?)

:D
[About XDA developers] svetius:
The blue links are because the site was redesign with a new palettte, as you've seen. No more orange and brown. Now it's purple, pink, blue. Yes, a tad polarizing but I think you'll all agree it's more modern and inclusive. Check the Portal for the new header color in-tow if you haven't.

I like the blue, I think it works. Have a lot of people been complaining that it's difficult to read?
[About XDA developers] x2k13:
So when do you guys fix the now totally wrecked app to work again, including the new CI/CD (app still has the old xda design and a crude pixelated xda logo, please use svg instead of whatever pixel format is used now) on loading screen?
[About XDA developers] IronTechmonkey:
That seems to confirm that the rationale was a web design aesthetic perhaps not based on practical usage beyond opinions of appearance. Please don't take this for a lack of appreciation of the explanation, that is a common thing in web design and it's good to know. Thanks. That being said, there are genuine usage reasons for it being another way in spite of aesthetic opinions so perhaps that could be given some weight in the assessment of web design.

In both the app and desktop browsers with white background, yes significantly more difficult to read, and even a bit jarring in the same manner that bright red and green patterns can cause optical effects - not as extreme but the blue and white are both in the "cool" range of the visible color spectrum, their brightness is similar and there is less contrast between the letters and the background than was the case with the orange.

A significant factor in the variation of opinions about the effect of the new blue on white hyperlinks (which I am experiencing while writing this on laptop in lighting and display conditions where the blue on white is comfortable) is the wide range of lighting conditions, display properties, and brightness settings which exist across many devices and user tastes. Here in the desktop browser it's not so bad although the numbered page links in blue do get lost in the sea of white, but on my android devices it is genuinely an unpleasant visual experience in app or browser.

It seems that the orange color was better on white background at maintaining a reasonable contrast and difference in darkness without fading into the background or seeming too bold - across a wider range of display and lighting conditions. On that point, if this is more than just my own personal perception there might be issues for people who are colorblind as well. There are probably many other colors which might work across that range but the blue currently being used is not one of them.

Orange may have been the new Black

but

Blue is not the New Orange.

:D
[About XDA developers] svetius:
Very good points. I'll take your feedback to our design team, but I think we're pretty set on this new color scheme.
[About XDA developers] IronTechmonkey:
LOL, I have realistic expectations. Thanks for passing it along.
[About XDA developers] x2k13:
In other words, nice idea, but we won't consider it anyway.
[About XDA developers] svetius:
No, we talked about it today. Have you tried changing templates in the bottom left? A lighter theme might be more palatable.
[About XDA developers] zgfg:
Sorry but why is this so important now

I mean, for me one of the crucial functionallity for discussion forum: Search insude the thread (topic) does not work for more than a month. It was reported to authorities but with no feedback at all (sorry if I missed)

Yes, there is a workaround - but 'dirty' one and known only to those few (of us) who read/wrote about.

During the last month I've seen at least three posts where users politely apologized in advance that they tried to search in the thread but since results were useless, they ended up asking again (something that was indeed known and discussed many times in the previous posts)

I mean, you can have nice colors, whatever, but if the main functionlities do not work properly, what's the purpose

Frankly speaking, I see that on few topics I'm mostly interested in (Magisk, particular custom ROMs, AndroidAuto tweaks), XDA looses the pace with Telegram and other newer discussion platforms. And I'm myself considering (although I was oponent for the long time), does it make sense reading and participating on both sides or only there (new social media platforms) where the more prompt and more valuable info was posted

My favorite was XDA (being active here four or five years) with searching being one of the main argument: with the expectation that due to useful searching, threads should not be bombarded by repetitive questions and answers, hence easier to read and to follow than e.g. TG channels (bombarded by hundreds of useless posts every day)

But if people cannot search through the XDA thread (only the very few can, knowing the trick), then even that argument gets dropped.

For example, in General Magisk thread, there are few questions that have already been asked and answered zillion times (where the MagiskHide and On-line modules dissapeared) - and nobody could complain to newbies why they did not search before asking the same again and again.

Similarly for AdAway and YT Vanced threads (for sure many others, but I'm counting those I know very well about)
[About XDA developers] jult:
Funny, my thread gets blocked, because I'm asking where the heck the Search option has gone (not the one in the top, the one per forum). Then he replies with

"Next time search before posting."

Yeah pal, that's the issue: There is no search option anymore.

Who decides on these changes? The forum layout sucks now. I should host/start my own now I guess.
[About XDA developers] jult:
It is. The orange was way better. I have used/read xda forums for decades, this new layout requires me to put on other glasses to be able to read properly.
[About XDA developers] the_scotsman:
Click the search bar up the top, then click advanced. The search options are not gone.

It looks like your thread was closed by a mod, who also provided a link to the correct thread to provide feedback (this thread).

We'll never be able to please everyone. There are other slightly different themes you can choose from at the bottom left of any forum page.
[About XDA developers] DiamondJohn:
I think the search in thread is working for me.:cautious:
[About XDA developers] sd_shadow:
This Category

search is broken and has been since the move to xenforo.

This category is supposed to search top forums like

General Discussion

xdaforums.com

https://xdaforums.com/c/moto-g7-power.8537/

It was reported and listed in this post

XenForo 2.2 Upgrade! Post Bugs, Issues and Comments Here
[About XDA developers] ingbrzy:
I am not able to start a new thread in any forum.. seems some permissions issue..
[About XDA developers] sd_shadow:
Same here.

I think XDA app discussion should continue in the app thread though.
[About XDA developers] bmwdroid:
Made a fresh install on LOS14.1.

All I see is:
[About XDA developers] Austinredstoner:
Yes their a bug we can no longer create threadsView attachment 5246983View attachment 5246985u see the create thread button is no longer their
[About XDA developers] MikeChannon:
The Google phone naming is a difficult one and I'm not sure we'd please everyone as the poularity and distribution of the phones varies as much as the accepted name in various locations. The Samsung Galaxy Nexus for example is known as :

Samsung Google Galaxy Nexus I9250

Samsung Google Nexus 3

Samsung Galaxy X

All of those are official names and all are valid. At the times we added them we'd use the most recognizable, best known name.

I had thought that some of those older phones are missing because they are contained in our "Legacy and Low Activity" category forum. However, on checking I don't think that explains why some devices are missing because many in "Legacy and Low Activity" DO appear on the list.:confused:

Mike
[About XDA developers] pgbosss:
I've problem with my magic 5G.. whenever i call using handsfree and as i receives notification it disconnect itself... when i unplug and replug it connects with the phone... but this problem is only during voice calls...
[About XDA developers] It_ler:
I have a button to create a new thread:
[About XDA developers] It_ler:
Seems that as it is not related to new xda forum, you have posted in the wrong thread/forum. Better to post this in Question and answer forum.

Or here:

https://xdaforums.com/t/help-thread-ask-any-question-noob-friendly.2257421/unread
[About XDA developers] Austinredstoner:
[Update] seems like I only have the option to create a thread if I do thisView attachment 5247005View attachment 5247007View attachment 5247009
[About XDA developers] It_ler:
When in a thread you can jump to the corresponding forum, and should see the "Post thread" button, if it is not a forum with restricted access.
[About XDA developers] Austinredstoner:
Seems like it's fixed now thanks
[About XDA developers] sd_shadow:
Seems several older device forums got flattened with update 2.2.

Now there are no sub-forums for Q and A, Dev, General

Also, Thread labels are not available even for new threads.

I suspect this was intentional.

https://xdaforums.com/f/motorola-droid-x2.1172/

https://xdaforums.com/f/motorola-droid-3.1193/

https://xdaforums.com/f/motorola-droid-4.1502/

https://xdaforums.com/f/kindle-fire-general.1307/

https://xdaforums.com/f/droid-turbo-2-general.4875/

https://xdaforums.com/f/amazon-fire-phone.3237/

If you are watching older forums you may need to select Watch again
[About XDA developers] sd_shadow:
And this is gone

https://xdaforums.com/c/planet-computers.11978/

It should have

https://xdaforums.com/c/planet-gemini-pda.7553/

Edit; I guess it was never used, and this one was

https://xdaforums.com/c/gemini.12008/
[About XDA developers] sd_shadow:
This one wasn't flattened, probably because it's really for 2 devices

https://xdaforums.com/c/motorola-droid-2.738/
[About XDA developers] Austinredstoner:
I don't even know what planet computers is but nobody uses it and their was never was a device form for it just a empty form with nothing in it so it's a good thing it got removed
[About XDA developers] sd_shadow:
https://xdaforums.com/c/planet-gemini-pda.7553/
[About XDA developers] Audentio:
Nice catch, thanks for the report :)

We've got that button added back in :)
[About XDA developers] osm0sis:
I mean, sure, but now with the benefit of hindsight I would think you'd want something uniform, especially where with the new Device Inventory you've got a separate "Manufacturer" line which would cover the Nexus' multiple OEMs beside Google. 🤷‍♂️
[About XDA developers] osm0sis:
Any moderator able to help out with this? I presume this thread will just replace the "Welcome to XDA 2021!" thread to start fresh, and it'll let me remove all the crossed off ones. 😁
[About XDA developers] lpedia:
I don't see the new App Themes, only XDA, XDA - Dark, and XDA - Classic.

Spoiler content hidden.

So far, tested with MS Edge and Opera browsers on Win10 and Chome and Edge browsers on Android 11, with the same result. I have cleared cache etc. Also two of the browsers (Opera and Chrome) are ones I don't normally use, so shouldn't have had anything cached anyway.

Any suggestions?

I can see, and I like, the other new features. (y)
[About XDA developers] jult:
Not to mention the fact that your logo has changed from a 'warm' color-spectrum to a particularly cold one. Cold rose and cold blue. The older design truely was one reason why xda has become what it has become. If it had been this ugly blue grey rose theme from the start, it never would have become this big.
[About XDA developers] Wolfcity:
Sorry, but I don't think that XDA has become to what it is because of a brownish logo.

The content, the ability to find help, tutorials, custom ROMs, the possibility to find solutions to a lot of problems and the great and helpful community may have been more important than the colour of the logo.
[About XDA developers] IronTechmonkey:
I agree with you and don't think the color of the logo made or broke the site even though I personally prefer the warm pallet and have demonstrated practical issues with the current pallet not having to do with warm or cool but rather brightness and contrast. More important than mere image are the things you mentioned which all do still exist. That being said I think something was lost regarding the connective tissue of the community due to the limitations of the new app (perhaps forced by the new back-end services) regarding interaction with the threads, navigation to and from starting points and other things which led to a smoother experience particularly regarding navigation. My intent is not to complain about these things as these points have previously been made, the point being that there are more serious things to criticize (or productively report) than the color of the badge.
[About XDA developers] Timmmmaaahh!:
We actually had blue before:

Spoiler content hidden.

(source)

Didn't have hot pink though! The world wasn't ready for hot pink. I was more of a fan of the orange and warmth as well but change is welcome and these things grow on ya. I would prefer customizability: select two colours in settings and profit! Too much work, they said. Lazy admins 😅 Spoiler content hidden.
[About XDA developers] IamTheBRAVE:
I agree with the sentiment. Over time the blue color stopped being of that much importance compared to the other more annoying bugs (like the back button functionality or the threads not loading properly sometimes).
[About XDA developers] IronTechmonkey:
Yesssss!

Beatles anyone?

Get back.

Get back.

Get back to where [we] once belonged.

(at least regarding the back button that is)

:D
[About XDA developers] IronTechmonkey:
I'm sorry to pile on like this but the app has become horrendous for editing. This isn't just blind ranting. It's been a long time since we got the new version of the app and as a tool for creating text posts it's just horrible. I and others have already described how difficult it is to use the edit box and navigate through the threads but now in addition to those things we have this blue semicircular hovering button right over the tiny constricted text field in which we are editing text and if we accidentally touch that blue button it invokes a new post. Oh my word, some of this defies belief regarding basic design. Please pardon my candor. I would be willing to help test this and improve it but there seems to be no interest. Is it really the case that the app must be this difficult to use? How do we make improvements in that regard? I'm not as disappointed as others about the App Store going away but now we have something that is primarily a text communicator which is bad at text communicating.

Disclaimer, I'm not at all unappreciative of the hard work that goes into maintaining these forums. That is the point - for such hard work the results should be better.
[About XDA developers] woodman:
Only @svetius could guide us on what's possible and what's not. What are the plans, the intentions, the money put into this, etc.

I personally have no clues what's the future of the app.

I''d LOVE to have a better XDA app. Remember my passion with previous xda app/labs? 😉
[About XDA developers] IronTechmonkey:
I have indeed noticed a change in your presence and that of many others since then.

I'm realistic about expectations and may just have to buckle down and stick to a desktop web browser. One of the reasons I'm ranting here is that I had started to unleash mini rants in my regular posts and that was just going to spread too much poison so I decided to do a more focused rant in this thread.

Thanks for listening, coach. :)
[About XDA developers] woodman:
We sometimes need rants, some are beneficial 😁😁

Keep up the good work, master.
[About XDA developers] svetius:
We're having discussions about what to do with the app. I know @bitpushr has been a part of these conversations. There's a chance we might support Tapatalk again, because while that was problematic on vBulletin, their XenForo solution might be better. Plus overall people tend to appreciate the stability and functionality of Tapatalk, which they've done a good job keeping updated.

I'll let @bitpushr opine slightly here.
[About XDA developers] IronTechmonkey:
Evenn spilll chokk is nott saf!

Only in this edit box and nowhere else does this occur in the gboard spell check running from anysoftkeyboard, a combination which works on multiple devices in almost all other text edit interfaces. Same text pasted elsewhere shows appropriate replacements instead of a black box containing very dark gray text.

[EDIT] When looking at the phone I did not realize that the text was present. From a closer look at the image this could be an issue with dark/light themes and or transparency.

It's easy to blame the XDA app but this sort of stuff happens in a variety of web browsers at XDA as well.

View attachment 5559719
[About XDA developers] IamTheBRAVE:
Indead, XDA iz foll oof bogs
[About XDA developers] woodman:
Hello svetius,

Is that still a thing?
[About XDA developers] woodman:
Bumping again, adding other members who could help answering my question about the possibility to support Tapatalk again under XenForo.

@XDARoni

@nirave

@MikeChannon

@bitpushr

Thank you in advance.

-woodman
[About XDA developers] MikeChannon:
Not heard anything recently... I'll see if I can find anything out.

Mike
[About XDA developers] Dayuser:
Why forum is offline almost every day multiple times??
[About XDA developers] Timmmmaaahh!:
Ugh yeah, the offline error with Twitter feed, it has indeed been plaguing us for quite some time now. The last ones are perhaps related to servers overheating due to your last post here ;) Anyway, administration is on top of it! The servers, I mean ^_^
[About XDA developers] Dayuser:
Okey, hope fix is coming asap.

I was only trying to give electric shock to servers :LOL:
[About XDA developers] IronTechmonkey:
Pardon some spamming but I've not yet seen any reports of this I've posted in a few of the applicable XDA app threads.

For unread threads App is going to first page of thread instead of last and is not flagging it as read (un- bolded). The threads which should be flagged as read in the app are still flagged as unread in a desktop web browsers on PC as well as in app. Unread threads are properly flagged as read when viewed in web browser and that flag is visible in app, App is seeing the read/unread state of threads as set by web browser but unable to set that state or auto navigate. Logging out and back in does not fix. Reproduced on 3 rooted/unrooted android 10/11 devices.

[EDIT] "Report issue" from within app does not work either, Don't know if that is related or not.

I try to be gracious, really I do, but a malicious intentional plan to make simple thread viewing a mess could not be much more effective than this.
[About XDA developers] DiamondJohn:
I have a post (new thread) I have been meaning to create for a while, but its too complex to do in a single sitting. Its info for others, so I dont get any gain personally.

Does the new interface have like a "draft" function, where I can build the post/thread over a few days, before I post it and make it public?
[About XDA developers] sd_shadow:
No, draft only works for replying
[About XDA developers] DiamondJohn:
I thought so, I couldn't see it anywhere on the screen. So I started typing and switch to the "Toggle BB Code" view, and save that off in a text file on my computer, ready to paste back into another new thread, when I wish to work on it. I guess starting it was the biggest roadblock.
[About XDA developers] IronTechmonkey:
Ever since losing posts due to accidental browser navigation I've been using text files for draft and recomend it in spite of the additional work.
[About XDA developers] Dayuser:
Sadly nothing has changed. Still forum goes offline multiple times.
[About XDA developers] J.Michael:
Do you use a browser or the XDA app?

When you try to search, do you get a dialog box that lets you choose "Search this thread"?

There is also a link at the top of each page (in a browser) to "Search this thread".
[About XDA developers] zgfg:
Fine, but try to "Search in this thread" for a keyword Vacations and please tell how many posts does XDA find 'relevant' for that keyword

Please do that test EXACTLY as above
[About XDA developers] Oswald Boelcke:
My result attached:

View attachment 5677733
[About XDA developers] J.Michael:
I got two, yours and @Oswald Boelcke's.

Are you aware of other mentions of the word?
[About XDA developers] zgfg:
I got ALL posts because instead of for Vacations (or whatever other keyword) XDA returns results for the wildcard "*"

See the screenshot

"Search results for query: *"

Using XDA Application

And the same in the next post when I use CHROME
[About XDA developers] zgfg:
My results from CHROME attached

Exactly the same result (search for wildcard - listing all posts in the thread) when using XDA app - see one post above
[About XDA developers] maakosan:
Browser, and I use "Search this thread"..
[About XDA developers] IronTechmonkey:
Search is fubar and in many case automatically populates criteria with an asterisk signifying wildcard. Workaround in link in my signature. Web browser recommend for searching and for viewing signature.

@zgfg, I originally intended to post this here and got my wires crossed, did not realize we were in magisk thread until after a few posts. Lol.

In any event, @maakosan, the "asterisk" work around will allow you to search for the actual criteria.
[About XDA developers] zgfg:
To avoid any misunderstanding, the screen recording shows how "Search this thread" for a given keyword (like Vacations) responds with wildcard results "Search results for query: *" ALSO for CHROME Browser (latest version) on the phone:

File on MEGA

mega.nz

Ie, the bug (for sure known for about a year and reported by few in couple of threads) is not limited to XDA app
[About XDA developers] IronTechmonkey:
I can corroborate that this is not an XDA app specific issue and that it occurs in the app even without host based ad-blockers enabled, and also that in desktop browsers it is not caused by 3rd party script blockers or Firefox' quirky security settings.

In addition to this being an issue for one of the most common actions users are expected to take (search) I'm curious about what the site is using as a criteria as to when the search works properly or fails, eg is it something about the device, the network, or something about the user's XDA account, or something else?