yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Off-topic] GSeeker:
PLEASE DO THIS!

Omnia without you talent chefs is INCOMPLETE!:(
[Off-topic] JimmyMcGee:
Yes, That's exactly want will happen.

I hope you realize I'm being Daft.

This is how business work, you release a device, someone else releases a better device, you work a release and even more better device.

HTC hasn't stopped making devices, so I don't believe HTC will fade. Tech Business Cycles ebb and flow, so give HTC just a little time, they will release something that people will hail as the next top device.
[Off-topic] deuzeff:
Anyway we have our Kaiser Fo-re-ver :D. Who wants somthing newer :P.
[Off-topic] Deadman:
omnia forum please
[Off-topic] Kraize:
Then you should have bought a cool kick-ass HTC device :P
[Off-topic] Ingvarr:
I dont understand what is the problem with having non-HTC devices forums.

Yes, this site originally started as congregation of HTC dev hackers, but this was just due to fact that there were virtually no non-HTC made WM devices at this time(several years ago).

I dont see much of a reason to be unsupportive to owners of other devices just because original site agenda was "HTC devices hacking". Things change.

HTC device owner community will benefit from any non-HTC device owners, as long as they share pretty compatible today Windows Mobile ROM base, techniques and tricks.

P.S. Why two big Omnia threads were moved into "Off-topic (non-phone related" forum? They are defenitely phone-related :)
[Off-topic] psionandy:
So... is XDA-Developers actually in business with HTC? Are they supplying help/resources/sponsorship here?

If they are then we should all help our sponsors help us and I see the point of HTC only. After all it benefits nobody if this community suffers due to financial hardship.

If they aren't then it doesn't make sense at all to allow the expense of forums for Xperia, Palm and Dream phones that aren't part of the core HTC brand, and deny Windows mobile devices like the Omnia which are closer in spirit, but not made by HTC.
[Off-topic] viz1977:
Think

Winmo devices are supported here, irrespective of the fact, as to who manufactures them. Unity and Globalisation are today's demands.

I am sure a lot of omnia users have also made contributions. When they did not hesitate to do so, why should anyone else?
[Off-topic] JimmyMcGee:
Why do the admins want to keep it HTC only and Not Change? Because its THEIR forum and they can lead it in the direction that THEY want.

Telling them they are "silly" or "stupid" because they don't want to support other devices would be like me telling you that you are being hard-headed because you won't paint your car purple even though me and Joe think you should.

The fact is, if you don't understand why they won't support non-HTC devices, then you will go on not understanding. But It will not change the fact that it won't happen.

:)

EDIT: PS anyone else notice the random interruptions in forum browsing today? Imagine if we let non-HTC devices in, we would have 4 to 6 TIMES the traffic, it would kill our server.
[Off-topic] Ingvarr:
Umm, non-HTC people are posting here anyway, in "general" forums. Maybe I am mistaken and this is in fact illegal here, if, as you say, "admins want to keep it HTC only"?

What is suggested is just a little help from site owners with organising of the non-HTC device-specific threads instead of keeping them in just two bloated "general" forums - this will not change forum space nor traffic in any way. In fact this could reduce traffic, because non-HTC people will stop always browsing several pages of bloated general forums and just go directly to forums they need. Hope this makes sense.
[Off-topic] JimmyMcGee:
The science you mention could make since.

But by creating dedicated Samsung Sub forums, we will get more and more people coming in. And if we add Samsung, whats to stop NOKIA people from wanting Forums, and it goes on and on.
[Off-topic] TheChampJT:
Illegal? I was just about to say it, but Jimmy got it first, how did you manage to figure more forums = less traffic??

This is a HTC forum, why is it hard to understand this???
[Off-topic] Ingvarr:
Because Nokia does not have WM device and has no points of intersection in the ROM cooking and hacking with HTC devices?

When somebody creates a skin, rips a cab, or finds a registry trick on non-HTC WM mobile device, then I guess its quite welcome here, even when its non-HTC in origin? ;)

Well, because its just somehow sounds kinda hostile (and in bold red letters too ;) ). I wonder why.
[Off-topic] -PiLoT-:
hes not rreally saying let more makes in, i dont think any of us are, what we would like to see happen, is more minmo devices, that message earlier was a bit iffy tho as palms that arent made my htc run on differet os. i think but basically it should be winmo only not htc only. like omnia yes nokia no xperia yes as its htc,

thats it really all im saying is for organisations sake make a omnia forum as its winmo because we really value the xda minds
[Off-topic] -PiLoT-:
i agree, ive seen d3fd drivers from the omnia kicking a bout
[Off-topic] kyphur:
I promise to actively push for an Omnia Forum....

five minutes after we open the new iPhone Forum!

Yes we have had that request more often then I care to admit.

If we say yes to one non-HTC device then how can we justify saying no to any of them.

I know the iPhone is WM and Omnia is.

My point is still valid, because all you need is one this that our HTC phones & the iPhone have in common for there to be an argument aganist leaving them out because of the WM issue.

If Omnia needs a forum then someone should start one and if there truely is a community then the skilled developers will follow.
[Off-topic] JimmyMcGee:
For a second there I was wondering where my backup was.

I've said this a million times. The Founders Drew a Line in the sand. A line they wish not to pass. Let's respect their wishes and realize that XDA-Devs will not be having a Samsung forum.

But I agree with Kyphur, why not make your own Samsung-Developers.com? You can even use the wonderful color scheme of XDA.
[Off-topic] psionandy:
Why can nobody say WHY it is an HTC forum?.. and not say a Windows Mobile forum?????

Why are those who are against a Samsung forum (on the grounds of cost/expense/moderation time) for an HTC Dream GoogleOS forum, which is likely to cost even more?

Seriously... if it comes down to an Admins decision that they are the "Dogs" and this is their "Manger" then fine... I think the Admins are better than that, but either way a simple up to date explanation of why supporting a non HTC branded device would be appreciated and would put this whole discussion to bed.

Again if it's illegal I'd appreciate a pointer to the law. This is a community, and I think that a samsung forum would benifit the WHOLE community.

And on a slightly more pragmatic approach... if a new samsung forum can't be had because it would cost money... how much money are we talking? If members can cover its costs would that help?
[Off-topic] TheChampJT:
No need to wonder :D! Every time there is a new non-HTC device powered by WM, some users think it's now unfair because their device has no support from the HTC users here. When all along, you all missed the fact you just joined a HTC community.
[Off-topic] TheChampJT:
Had you read the full 4 pages here, you would have realised that SOMEONE, an Admin at that, has said WHY this is a HTC-only forum, you can find your answer here:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=1333623&postcount=27

And this is "up to date", and does not need and revisions. It is a simple matter of users joining a HTC forum, and that's how it will remain. Remember, you can't just join the community of your choice and try and change the way it's been run for years to cater YOUR needs, seriously, think of the community.
[Off-topic] Ingvarr:
Well, I am doing exactly that, thinking of the community. Because its not one sided like you trying to say - non-HTC users leeching from HTC users who do all the useful work. As I said HTC users quite happy to accept stuff when it comes from "community not welcome here".

So I thought that xda-devs community will benefit if other non-WM devices are more welcome here.

But if they don't want to do it, fair enough.

Personally, I would recommend to other Omnia users this forum - http://i900.modaco.com, it seem to be the best up to now.
[Off-topic] psionandy:
Actually if you had read the FIRST page of this thread you'd have realised that I had read the post you linked to !!!!! If you think that this forum/htc/the internet/the whole world hasn't changed somewhat since the dim and distant past that is 2006 then you must work for PALM...

As for just joining and expecting things to change just for my benefit??????.... er ok, you've missed a few major points.

1) my membership here dates back to 2005 when I had an MDA Compact running wm2003SE (great little phone but things have changed since then) . Do I post a lot?, er No. What I use is the search button and a lot of reading as encouraged by the ethos of this fine community.

2) It's a Community. Communities have lots of voices. If I've broken any laws or rules, then please point them out.

3) If you've read this thread you'll see that I think this will strengthen the community as a whole. Others in the community agree. Some disagree.But thats the point of open discussions within a community framework.

4) I agree wholeheartedly its the ADMINS that get to make the decision. I'll obey it whichever way they decided (even if I personally disagree with it), What would be helpful is a current statment from the ADMINS, ideally in the form of a sticky which has the reasons for the HTC only rule. That would help all members of the community understand why a (to many) arbitary decision has been made.

5) Alternatively a forum simply labled "other windows mobile devices" in the general folder would keep all of these threads out of the way of the other completely 'off topic' threads, and away from the business of dealing with devices that are valid because they have come out of a production line controlled by HTC.

6) I think it is a good idea that we question assumptions, otherwise we would all be sure we we living on a flat earth, at the centre of the universe, and the Roman Empire would be the dominant super-power on the planet. If on the other hand there is a good reason for doing things "the way they have been for years" that reason, and the assumptions its based upon should be able to stand up. If anyone can put those convincing reasons up, then i'd really appreciate it.

*EDIT* the reference to 2006 should of course be to June 2007.... I apologise for any inconveniece this may cause, but even so I believe my point is still valid.

I also apologise for using PALM as a rather lame punchline to a joke... It should have been something funny. I just couldn't think of anything.
[Off-topic] Noonski:
First Mike,,.. Nice explanation, Spoken like a true (G)ModFather

I Bring Thee Wise Men Of Polling.

Numbers Of Logic and Rationality

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Thread Started at 12-09-2008

[PROJ][16-09-2008-12:05CET]Opal/Jade Apps & Manilla2D Extraction Thread( 1 2 3 ... Last Page) Today 12:55 AM by MRFERRARI23

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These Are A Few Numbers that give a fairly good insight into what people might want.

In the Poll Numbers you should also take into account that some users are very likely to just ignore the thread because they already know the numbers.

Nice Numbers would be if this thread would increase the amount of donations being made so XDA would maybe even be able to expand a little bit more.

Also another Number is 3,

Not only are WM devices increasing in amount by other producers,

HTC also, again has introduced three new devices.

So i give no Opinion in this matter because some already know it, and if not, they now my Number.

I'm just the one with a bad sense of humour and a bad temper due to sleep loss.
[Off-topic] thaithug:
HTC or Not

I think this topic is a sign of new era of new WM devices in the market today or upcoming. It's unfair to say this is the HTC community only and don't support other WM devices in the market. In my opinion, I have been using 2 of the HTC devices in the past -1. HTC Wave, 2. HTC Touch Diamond. I now own Omnia and never thought of this forum being HTC only (or maybe because I was using HTC in the past and never realized). Anyways, it's sad to know this forum is so blocked out of ideas being the world of Windows Mobiles than branded oriented on "HTC only". I hope one day when new brands of WM device is out and made a hell lot better than HTC, you all would start thinking of opening to the world of new tech. Although, I saw many of brights new ideas and great developers in here and makes excellent applications for WM devices (which may also usable by non HTC devices), and such that, you all have taken ideas from other non-HTC brand and created applications for HTC.

Lastly, I think this should be open community and share for the best -- leave the brand behind!!
[Off-topic] Black93300ZX:
Why don't we also petition for an iPhone forum? I don't think there would be enough interest in Omnias, they're garbino. Overpriced, the software is trash, and that animation when you rotate the screen... yuck.
[Off-topic] Black93300ZX:
Maybe then, but I don't think we can say the Omnia is "made a hell of a lot better" than the Touch Diamond/Pro... So not now.
[Off-topic] psionandy:
Thanks Mike... I knew someone had that well thought out and logical argument to back up the decision made by the admins. And that it wasn't simply a case of "we are HTC only because we are HTC only" (despite what some other members/mods may have said ;)

If that really is the position of the Admins (and I have zero reasons to doubt it) then I am happy to leave the matter in their most able hands.
[Off-topic] psionandy:
An excellent point... I think everyone one in this community has benefitted enourmously from it, and also the hard work of its mods and admins.

if you haven't already done so then i'd follow Noonski's advice and click on the Donate button is the top bar.
[Off-topic] _4saken_:
now why do we have a palm treo forum here? the only htc devices rule seems a bit loose from that perspective, doesnt it?

honestly, I dont give a sh** about the omnia forum since I dont own one, I just dont like the narrow minded part of the admins focusing on htc only devices.

as some have said before, it would only benefit the community to let those devices in.

and I also think it's a bit hipocritical to not allow own forums for such devices, but when it comes to grabbing from those devices roms and implementing the content into the htc device roms no one is raising their voices...

anyways, just my 2 cents on this topic.
[Off-topic] Noonski:
Check the hardware manufacturer of the Palm Treo.

HTC got big by making devices for other companies.

I hope this answers your comment or at least sparks the interest to do your research.

We always encourage research and sometimes we can help out a hand using google.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/mobile-gadgeteer/?p=1387

Also i would like to point out, as Mike also has pointed out.

That this is not purely a moderator Decision to take.

To this point I think most Moderators have not expressed “Their Opnions”.

Most have just tried to relay the information that is known to be to them as Site conduct, so that the people that have started this thread or a similar thread understand that:

“Things don’t just Change because a group wants this to”

As with any organization the structure is simple and the same.

Now Moderators and Admin’s might be seen as the all decisive factor, because for the most users that’s the only next level that is seen. So it is understandable that fingers get pointed fairly quickly to Moderators as being short sighted, hypocritical, or biased for doing their jobs.

Everyone can express what they think, but pointing fingers and calling names do not need to belong in a sharing of opinions.

And in reality in the end, like in any organizational structure decisions made in the upper level that you can see, can always be overruled by the Level above that, and fighting and kicking against it won’t change that either.
[Off-topic] shanetheclassic:
I think after that point well made this thread should be closed and no Omnia Forum made..

Keep this site strictly HTC like it has been for years
[Off-topic] jags1:
question : xda-dev run/paid by HTC? sounds like it. :o

edited:

ah i just saw that we ripping steeling through omnias drivers apps so forth but can't develope something for it,doesn't make any sense to me,reality is samsung is just a little kid in wm but with omnia they have given a big surprise to people or maybe a threat to htc smae time, don't get me wrong i am a big fan of htc but do appreciate some one else's good work too, i own htc diamond and a diamond pro they both buggy devices but then i own omnia too and see omnia nearly bug free and useful.
[Off-topic] _4saken_:
fully agree with you there. especially the point that this community is actively taking from other devices but not giving back by for example addign a forum for such devices is the big problem I'm having with this whole discussion.

and that answer from the mod above which basically says it's so because someone freaking said so is just awesome....

at least try to explain the reasons and if you dont know them yourself, maybe try to find them out.

this whole thing has such a huge amount of arrogance to it, it's making me sick.
[Off-topic] Monty Burns:
Sweeet! So does that mean there will be/is an X1 section i haven't noticed (as I dont have one, I haven't looked)
[Off-topic] DaveShaw:
The X1 has it's own Forum (just one), but it may grow once the device comes out...???:confused:

Dave
[Off-topic] JimmyMcGee:
We are going in circles.

You say taking Drivers from a device but not burdening our servers more by giving them a full fledged forum is hypocritical.

You say we are being closed minded.

You say we are power hungry.

I say, I think the device it swell, but we have not the resources.

I say, Its not anyone's decision except the guy, or gal, who writes the check for the hosting.

Basically, This thread is getting inflammatory and vicious.

This was an HTC forum when you joined. Why you decided that once you joined that you want to chance the place, I don't know.

I don't go into Disneyland and say, "Hey I personally think there shouldn't be anthropomorphic mice here. NOW CHANGE IT!"

So the end result is, we will wait for the official response from up above. There is Nothing else we say down here.
[Xiaomi Mi 10T Lite Guides, News, & Discussion] aradalien:
Xiaomi releases kernel sources for Redmi Note 10 and Mi 10T Lite / Mi 10i

Xiaomi has released kernel sources on its GitHub for the Mi 10T Lite / MI 10i and Redmi Note 10. Read on to know more.

www.xda-developers.com
[Huawei Mate X2] kennyk319:
I've installed GMS on the phone and I am having trouble getting Pokemon Go to run properly. The game opens but about a 5 to 30 seconds after the map loads the game will freeze. The music will continue to play. Can anyone else who has the phone and has GMS installed try the game and see if the same thing happens to them? Thank you.
[Huawei Mate X2] tarroyo:
I'm seeing 'GPS signal not found. (11)' in game, It doesn't freeze it's just not playable without gps being detected
[Huawei Mate X2] kennyk319:
Did you freeze GSF?
[Huawei Mate X2] Lighthouse2602:
For what its worth, Pokémon Go is running fine on my Huawei Mate X2 (with GMS installed on Emui11).

Originally, it was hanging like 30 secs to a minute after start up. Don't recall what I actually did, but I remembering granting all the permissions avail for the app, but it still had issues. I then restarted the game and allowed Game Space / Acceleration permission (i.e. Guess giving it overriding priority) and it has been running fine...

It does lose its location occasionally (happened twice in a space of 7 days playing), but can just turn off/on GPS and it's back...

No crashes or any other hangups other than that...
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Questions & Answers] herokunz:
Please help me. I have a Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 phone that needs root. I have followed the instructions of many articles, but at the step "Unlock Mi status, you cannot" add account and device ", the machine shows the error" Connect to the network and try again ". I have a face ip ChiNa to Unlock but not, I have logged in MI icloud for 7 days, hope you help! plz!!!!!
[Sony Xperia XZ Questions & Answers] xyphen101:
I want to install AOSP or LOS to my F8331, do you guys have any recommendation (Pie or 10)? Thanks in advance.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Die Bruine:
My day old Raphael is showing some coating problems. This morning I thought I saw a speck of dust. Tried to wipe it clean and the coating came off. Think what you like, but if you look at the two left circles you can see for yourself. No way a key or chain or whatever can do that. No damage just coating that isn/t there anymore at the size of <1mm. Send HTC an email, wondering what their reaction will be. Keep you posted!

Bigger picture: http://bhattoe.net/color1.jpg
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] aussieak:
Sorry to hear the bad luck, Good luck with HTC but I would not hold my breath
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] NLS:
I would (for a one day device).
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] rdtce:
it is the anodize on the brushed aluminum... anodize is an electrochemical plating that is used to keep aluminum from oxidizing. either the aluminum wasn't prepped properly or the plating process was seriously flawed...or both. Anodize should hold up better but can easily be scratched by another metal...in aerospace, anodize is always followed up with a MIL spec primer and an optional top-coat of enamel.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Pabo:
I have got so this problem.Already have you got answer from HTC?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] aro:
same problem here

I have the same problem.

Black coating comes off at different spots without any contact to sharp items (especially as my Touch PRO never goes into my pocket without it's case).

My phone is only 10 days old, and I asked 2call.nl to take it back and replace it.

They said I have to go to HTC directly, but HTC sais that the retailer is responsible for replacement for devices not older than 14days.

I feel like a ping pong ball, but agree to HTC and will put more preasure on 2call.nl.

They have to take it back by law, and I will not accept "go and try at HTC".

Will keep you posted.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Die Bruine:
I've found two other users experiencing same problems. One of them also bought it from 2call if I'm not mistaken. He got his replaced. Mine is from a different store. Bummer, I really don't feel for some pingpong. Keep you posted... Mail response: Give us a call. Yeah right so they can say its not our problem because its not 14 days old...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] rdtce:
I have noticed that HTC has used factory "touch-up" which is basically a black sharpie marker to spot-cover some of the damaged finish where the anodize is damaged for whatever reason. You can really see this if you slide the keyboard out and look under the aluminum trim (edge that gets covered when the keyboard is closed). In the right light, the "touched-up" areas will have a distinct purple tint instead of black. Take a look, most units I have looked at have some degree of repair. Problem is, black marker comes off pretty quick and you are left with silver spots everywhere. Someone, in HTC manufacturing made a huge mistake and the build quality suffered tremendously... I love the hardware and the features of the TouchPro but the build quality is the worst I have seen... I am an aerospace engineer and I see this all the time. Just my 2 cents...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] TheBundo:
As long as the screen is okay, I wouldn't sweat it. Kinda like bumpers on cars, made for bumping