yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] PeterCa:
Hello Andy,

Thank you for the quick response.

It’s not my intention to see you end with a burn-out from all this, and I can live with your suggestion. I will try to make it also work on my Wizard (old, so less vulnerable on your bike, and battery lasts longer).

As for the GPX-question: I thought it was meant to eXchange between GPs-units, so their must be a standard somewehere to which everybody holds. I was asking this because lots of GPS-websites provide tracks in that format, and I use them.

The problem would be solved though, if there is a way to converse the format .gcc to GPX.

Still a fan !
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] matthieu60:
hardware power button to switch the screen off

Hello,

thanks for this software, it really good. I use it during my cycling training.

I use the new Version 2.55 but i have a litle problem. When i switch off my HTC Diamond with the hardware power button, the GPS stops logging (the litle square in the corner becomes red.

But if i use the BkLight Off button, i don't have this problem. The GPS continue to log.

Have you this problem?

Please don't remove the BkLight Off button in the next version ;)

Thanks
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] HappyFace:
I also really like this app and it worked very well untill version 2.55.

I log my Mountainbike trails every week with succes, but today it did not work well. The logging stops after about 4-5 km. I tried the new power button option as well as the backlight option, but the software stops logging.

I returned to the prior version after I returned home. Tested again with this version and no problem...

So there seems to be a problem with version 2.55.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] CorruptedSanity:
Why doesnt my route appear correctly in google earth?

Upon zooming in, the blue path line dissapears and only partial is shown. When zooming out it is fully shown.

Thanks
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] danielvelez:
I would guess that it has to do with the kml generation process... The track height should be clamped to the ground instead that using gps height. It´s possible that your track is going "underground" according to your reported GPS height and the terrain elevation displayed on google.

You should probably ask the designer to export the kml with the height clamped to the ground instead of the absolute height (It would work for all ground sports, but it would be sad for any airsports).
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] CorruptedSanity:
daniel, is there an option I should be enabling or disabling in the software you mean?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] AngelGR:
Yes, there's a problem when the screen is switched off using the hardware button. I'd say after 2-3 minutes. Don't worry, I'm sure that Andy will solve it. :)

The software button will remain, it'll only be changed to other position. There's a very limited space and we can't have everything always on screen.

I suppose that you must consider the use of a few versions from now as "beta testing". ;)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] CorruptedSanity:
Hello, great program.

I have a question. When loading my .kml path to google earth, I can only see the partial travel route (blue line) when zooming in reasonbly. I have to zoom out very much to see the whole path.

Any info on that? Im running the latest one on a touch HD.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] AndyZap:
Indeed, this looks like you need to disable saving the altitude recored into .kml file (there is an option for that - may sure it is OFF). Then, by default, GoogleEarth assumes that your path is just following the ground, so shall not dissappear (by going under-ground).
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] CorruptedSanity:
Ok ill try again and report back.

But why did it dissapear? I did not go underground. Or is it because the city I live in is at sea level (0 meter above sea level in fact). So the portions that dissapeared where areas that were below sea level??
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] AndyZap:
I was also using version 2.55 this weekend - recorded about 30 km / 2 hours - all was OK, switching with the power button (I have Diamond, with standard UK ROM. I have option "read GPS data directly ON, and do not have any power-saving CABs installed). I think this might be hardware-dependent, and seems does not work on every phone - so I will make this an extra option (which you can switch on/off).

Basically, there is a registry setting for "UnattendedMode", and this has to be set to "0" for "gpd0:". But doing a quick search on web, I found that on some mobiles this does not work, and you need to try a different entry, not the "gpd0:", to keep GPS alive. Unfortunatelly, I did not see anything from Microsoft, to tell exactly what has to be set.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] AndyZap:
This is because of GPS accuracy when recording altitude - a few meters error might make the track appears as undeground. Also you need to set the correct "GEOID" for your location - this is like a altitude correction, see the manual how to do that.

Anyway - this looks much easier simply do not save altitude to KML and let the track follow the ground.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] AndyZap:
There is a description of GPX format on web - but the problem is like with a foreign language - it is much easier to learn a few words and write a correct sentence, instead of to be able to read ANY sentence in that language. I.e. I can save .gcc files as .KML or .GPX, but it is much more difficult to read files created by other tools, that is why I would like to avoid it.

Do I understand your last sentence correctly - you would like to save .gcc into GPX? - Then just load .gcc file and click .gpx button with "Save" icon. But as I explained, the opposite (convert GPX into .gcc) is not so easy, and this is not supported.

Also I was thinking about the "race" feature - this is a good idea indeed. I will plan to add this in - It could work in the following way: you need to load an existing .gcc file, and start the logging, then you will get an display which shows the difference. Also could add some voice feedback (if manage to add this in).
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] krheinwald:
There is an KML parameter 'clamp to ground' which could be set. I suggest to record the altitude anyway, because you can then select 'absolute' in Google Earth.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] AngelGR:
I've tested the switch off using hardware button again, and it worked right today. :)

Changed config to Read GPS data directly, COM4/57600.

ROM: CT's v4.6 FullHDTFl

It seems a good solution.

On the other hand, expo7 is working on new icons and I'm designing more screens and landscape mode. Yes, we can. ;) :D
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] AndyZap:
Seems that this option has to be ON. When it is OFF, then the GPS data is obtained from Windows "parsed" driver, and it looks that this driver does not want to stay awake :( Anyway - I recommend to have this option ON, as I think it is more stable and works better (regardless if you use power button or not).

Let me know if this does not work on all phones - I will post a version where you can disable that new code I added, to be able to switch off with power button.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] krheinwald:
Here is the documentation:

<LineString id="ID">

<!-- specific to LineString -->

<extrude>0</extrude> <!-- boolean -->

<tessellate>0</tessellate> <!-- boolean -->

<altitudeMode>clampToGround</altitudeMode>

<!-- kml:altitudeModeEnum: clampToGround, relativeToGround, or absolute -->

<coordinates>...</coordinates> <!-- lon,lat[,alt] -->

</LineString>

HTH

Klaus
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] AndyZap:
Yes, this is exactly what I do when I save KML - if the "save altitude to KML" if OFF, then the default "clampToGround" is used (it does not have to be written in the KML file, as this is the default). If the option is ON, then I save altitude, and save the <altitudeMode> as "absolute".
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] HappyFace:
Indeeed this solves problem with the GPS logging in version 2.55. The GPS is logged as previous versions by switching this option. So this option can be removed according to me.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] AngelGR:
I agree, the integrated GPS driver works better. You could set this option as default, and let "Use Windows Mobile GPS driver" as a limited alternative.

Another good option could be "Activate GPS at GCC startup", so it could be ready when we press the run button.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] AndyZap:
version 3 preview

New version in the first post now
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] AngelGR:
I didn't expect the new version so fast. :)

Thanks Andy, downloading for test.

expo7 is working on new buttons/icons, we talked about it last weekend, but he's a bit busy so it might take a few days.

About the GPS info on the main screen, with a big green/red square indicating the signal quality instead of all the small bars and numbers would be enough, all that detailed info can be moved to other screen. I'll send you more "realistic" designs from now, since we have the new UI working.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] gozzy:
Looks a little rough round the edges (ie buttons don't seem to line up) but seems to be working ok

Bugs

when you press the pause button it stays as a pause button, shouldnt it go to the start button ????

Up and down buttons arent working in file menu

Keep up the good work :-)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] AngelGR:
Andy, all seems to be working right, well done. :)

There're only a few cosmetic things, but I think that now it's more important to keep improving functionality and options instead of the look.

Yes, but I shouldn't call it a bug. ;)

"I have not implemented the clock and compass yet (and a few other bits are missing)."

Here is a set of v2 style buttons. It's only a cut and paste done from my concepts. If you want to change anything let me know. Anyway, in a few days expo7 might have the new buttons.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=MYC76D36
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] drjim:
This is an awesome app. But will it work on a Fuze? I just installed it, but can't get a satellite fix.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] MrLAG:
This method of creating maps from google earth is good, but is there any way to create one big map from all pieces?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] drjim:
Yes, it works on a Fuze! Absolutely one of the best apps I've used. I used it running today and, though it took a while to get a satellite lock, after that it worked like a charm.

No need now to by expensive GPS tracking gear for my biking and running.

Many thanks.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] AndyZap:
This could be done, but I worried that this could increase the memory usage of the tool (as currently I load a single map at a time, otherwise I need to load all), and also it will take longer to paint the map. I suggest a bit different way to do it.

As you probably noticed, there is an auto selection for the maps, so the map with the best scale and best coverage for the current screen view is selected. The way I use it, I create a "overview" map, then for the places I am interested (within the larger map), I create maps with much higher resolution (e.g. around crossing points, points of interest, etc). Then you will see, that the maps will be switched automatically. The best map selection is done as you press zoom in/out buttons, or press the "graph" button (the one to select the graph page).
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] AndyZap:
To get a quicker GPS lock, you could try: 1) use QuickGps 2) soft reset from time to time, specially after the tool re-install and 3) use "read GPS data directlly" option in the tool
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] MrLAG:
Yeah, I can see your point, I thought of it myself. Just for area of my intereset I need a good map with high resolution. But this way 1 piece is about 900x700m, so It's a bit hard to orientate as you constantly switchign pieces when you want to look around.

I tried to combine 4 pieces in one and then calculate coordinates of the corners. It worked, but wasn't much accurate. Want to try more, can't understand .why deviation was so high. To combine 4 pieces else a bit tricky work, sometimes you can't conenct lines when you installing last piece :D.

I also wanted to ask, now the application loads 1 map and when you close to it's edge it will load next one if you press graph button. Is it possible to make option so it will load images to cover all the screen? I guess it will strongly increase usage of the memory, that's why it can be optional. It's just with big amount of pieces it's a bit hard to orientate when you constantly need to switch as I already said above.

Anyway, this software is great, I'm no quite engrossed in the process of creating maps for places I used to my bike trips :)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] AndyZap:
OK, I will add an options to plot e.g. up to 16 maps ("slow maps ?") . Also I was going to add map re-selection as a finger is lifted from screen, i.e. as map movement is finished (instead of pressing "graph" each time) - so maybe it will be easier to use even with a single map.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] drjim:
As a runner, I'm more interested in minutes per mile than mph. Any chance to you can add that option to Units?

And have I researched incorrectly or is there not a WM version of Google Earth?

And, as indicated in your instructions, just by clicking on the kml file, it will open in Google Maps on my phone or do I need to first open GM?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] AndyZap:
Well, there is an option "minutes per km" - is this any good for you, or shall I add "minutes per mile" as well?

I do not think there is GoogleEarth for WM, I guess this is much more complicated software than GoogleMaps, to be able to run on WM (yet). I might be wrong - have you seen the WM version?

For GoogleMaps - make sure that you install the latest version ( and un-install the old one first) - then you shall be able to open kml file from File Explorer, just by clicking on it (do not need to open GM first).
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] drjim:
Thanks for the prompt reply.

As an American, min/km isn't that useful for me. If you could create a min/mile that would be awesome.

I don't think there is a GE for WM. Only one I've seen is for iPhone.

One more question. After my run yesterday with your app, I hit Stop, but didn't do anything else. After, I went into the folder to look at my kml, but it wasn't there. Do I need to save the file after or will it do so automatically?

Much appreciated.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] AngelGR:
mrLAG, you can try other alternative: increase your screen resolution to the maximum, and then create the map. The covered area will be bigger, with the same resolution.

drjim, why do you prefer GEarth to GMaps under WM? If you're using it for review the trackpoints both are the same, I can't see the difference. ???

The program works internally with binary files called .gcc, and it save data automatically on that format. If you want a .kml or .gpx (text files) you must save the .gcc file selecting the desired format.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] drjim:
I guess no diff between GE and GM on mobile.

Thanks for the clarity on saving and viewing.

Great stuff!!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] drjim:
One more question. It has taken me up to 10 mins. to get a satellite lock on my Fuze. I download the latest sat data using QuickGPS and then GPSTest indicates many sats. I get a quick fix with GM and Live Search.

Thoughts on slow fix.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] AngelGR:
Yes, sometimes happens.

Andy's recommendations:

*) I'm using COM4/57600.

I'd add "stay on a fixed place with good sky view until get GPS lock". It may take 1 or 2 minutes, more than that is strange. If you are in movement is harder. Once you get 3D fix, no problem.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] MrLAG:
It would be nice if you add option for ploting few maps, sometiems you need to look at whole picture and with good resolution. I know I can use Google Maps, but it always downloading and sometimes it takes time (and I ratehr not waste my money). Of course the main question is how fast will it work and I hope it's not hard for you to create such option and test it.

I finished center of my town just recently, it's about 50 pieces (height of they eye 750m). And from your advice I created some "overview" maps with lower resolution. It works very nice. Now maybe with auto map re-selection you can use "graph" button to manually swith to other avalable (but not necessary best) map? For example when I has "overview" map on my screen I can still do zoom in on it, but applicaiton automatically switches to map with higher resolution while I don't want it. Well, dunno, I'm actually more than ok with how it works now, that's soem kind of suggwstion/idea you may want to consider.

I tried to play more with creating 1 biger map from 4 pieces. I count pixels, calculate coordiantes (both center to use in .kml and corners for .txt) and I'm sure deviation is not more then 1-2 m. Alas, somehow it shows my locaiton about 15-20 meters from where it should be (while for 1 piece directly from Google Earth it works fine). So I give up, but if you adding new features, thta's not a problem...

I seen you saying it about GM so I downloaded what I can find on oficial site just recently - but when i'm clicking on .kml file it doesn't work. Not that I really need it, I can view it later on my PC. Still, mayeb this coz my version is on my native language and doesn't have this feature? :/

Thx, I'll try :). That's intersting idea.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] MrLAG:
I can think of usefull feature which isn't hard to add. Right now you have fixed path to maps. And while testing difefrent aproaches for creatign maps I was forced to move files back and forth. And also what if you have 512 maps already but then want to add some more for different place? For example I have 500 maps for my own, then I going on vacation in some other place and I created 50 pieces of map for it. Would be simplier just to switch path in options than move files (I can create folders "me_town" "other_town" etc). "Program Files\GpsCycleComputer\maps" can be default path, if user choose any different programm can save it both i options and in reports , so when you load .gcc file it will know where to look for map. Please think about it, maybe you'll find this idea usefull.

I thought more about it. I asked for this feature, but now I thiking, won't it make matters more complicated? First how the programm will merge the edges of the pieces and second if you have sets of different resolution pieces for the same location how will it choose which exactly to use (For example low res map are in the middle of the screen, what will the programm connect to it's edges other low res pieces or high).
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] AngelGR:
I think there's not need of this "merge pieces of map" if automatic selection works fine. When the coordinates of our position (or the center of the screen if we drag the map) are nearest to the center of a new image than the current one, GCC could automatically change the image, and that's all.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] drjim:
Outstanding!

So I went for a mtn. bike ride and a run in the mountains around here with your app. I now know precise distances and time. Then I saved the routes in .kml and then just clicked on them in File Explorer.

Presto! Up pops Google Maps and I see my route.

What a great tool!

Please let me know when you've added minutes per mile for us runners.

Super work...
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Executer16:
I hope this gps monitor will run on my Omnia, cause Omnia makes some troubles with GPS :rolleyes:

Has the programm (or will it have in the future) a function to sum up the altitude difference? Because at cycling in the mounains i will not only know the absolute altitude but rather the difference.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] AndyZap:
If you have any GPS software running on your phone, then this one shall work as well - this is all standard WinMobile functions. If you have real problems with GPS on your phone, you might consider to buy e.g. a separate Bluetooth GPS or something like that, or maybe ROM update might help.

I added the altitude difference display in the new version (coming very soon)...
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] AndyZap:
v3 posted

Uploaded the new "version 3" to the first post. Added most of the promised features, except plotting multiple maps (looking at this now). Sorry for not updating the manual - I hope you will find your way through :) ... - will do this shortly.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] PeteT:
woohoo, just in time, i am off snowboarding in france tomorrow and i wanted to track my runs. It look great. off out now for a walk to see how it works.

Thank you AndyZap

Pete
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] azharsunny:
thanks man
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] himatech:
.NetCF 35

I'm receiving an unexpected error and I think .NetCF v35 is the cause of this error. :(

What do you think?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] megapixle:
Andy, the new update looks great. One question--I think I read earlier in the thread about the possibility of altitude & speed graphs. Where are those on your priority list? I think that's about the only thing missing I'd like to see.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] AngelGR:
Maybe you don't have installed NetCF v3.5. ;)

You can find it on the forum, or using google.

Andy will be out for a week, but I'm sure that he will add those features very soon, maybe for the next version. ;)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] carloshdez:
Now is great, thank you very much for this software :-)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] S_Hammer:
Hi,

as I said, its a great tool :)

Can you specify what valid means to you. Is valid a position with an hdop of 50+? Or only fetched with 2 sats? Maybe you can add a criteria here.

My idea with saving the logs in another location was meant to split the application and the logs, to be able to synchronize only the logs with active sync.

I don't need a button. An ini file or regentry would do the job for me :)

But I can live with it as it is.

Br Martin
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] sheep707:
Some more, easy to integrates Ideas

Hi i tried out this tool yesterday.

Can you make in the optitions, that you can select the Time between the intervals more exactly? I think it's good when i can select an integer (1....99) and a unit (minutes, hours, days, maybee week). I will record my holidaytrip :p

I doesn't try it, maybe its already integreated. An "Autosave" optition, the tool save the Points automaticly to a file, and if the Device ist restarting, or have no more akkupower, it doesnt lose the Points.

I used for the last time "GPS Tuner", it will run also if the device is in Standby mode.

I dont know how to do it, but if you can make that this tool is working in background.

Greatings

I think you will win a "Programm-Inovation Oskar"
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] hankeys:
i have a problem with this app. When i click Start it only says gps searching... with no luck to find my gps in HTC PRO. With GPS Tuner i have no problem. Any ideas???