yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] gc14:
I believe that is exactly what it is. I really doubt Verizon has only one PDE for every customer out there using VZNav.

Using whois with 66.174.95.132 returns:

OrgName: Cellco Partnership DBA Verizon Wireless
OrgID: CLLC
Address: 180 Washington Valley Road
City: Bedminster
StateProv: NJ
PostalCode: 07039
Country: US

NetRange: 66.174.0.0 - 66.174.255.255
CIDR: 66.174.0.0/16
NetName: WIRELESSDATANETWORK
NetHandle: NET-66-174-0-0-1
Parent: NET-66-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: CARKDNS.VZWDOMAIN.COM
NameServer: NJBRDNS.VZWDOMAIN.COM
Comment: ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK ARE NON-PORTABLE
RegDate: 2001-10-01
Updated: 2005-11-16

OrgAbuseHandle: ABUSE716-ARIN
OrgAbuseName: Abuse
OrgAbusePhone: +1-908-306-7000
OrgAbuseEmail: abuse@verizonwireless.com

OrgTechHandle: MGE16-ARIN
OrgTechName: George, Matt
OrgTechPhone: +1-800-770-1779
OrgTechEmail: abuse@verizonwireless.com

Skywing, what netrange does the new PDE fall in?
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] evanbriggs1:
NetRange: 66.174.0.0 - 66.174.255.255

broad cast to broad cast. its a class B its a crap load Of Ip's but that still doesn't help me at all. maybe I need the Server for my region in GA. I used to be able to get locks last week. this week I cant get a single one. I think VZ differently has influence.

EDIT my bad didnt realize they where actually using CIDR, 66.174.0.0/16 so its not a class. maybe if we can find the FQDNS IP that might be better cuz that will then redirect us to the proper server.

NameServer: CARKDNS.VZWDOMAIN.COM

NameServer: NJBRDNS.VZWDOMAIN.COM

Are these two different county's in NJ?
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] lllboredlll:
I couldn't lock until I edited the registry.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] nitro66215:
Ok. I finally got a lock in under 30 seconds in Garmin Mobile XT.

DCD 3.2.6

Radio 3.42.50

PRI 2.03_002
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] nitro66215:
And by editing the registry... did you put the IP from QPST in? Or did you leave the Default settings in the Registry.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] tntopspin:
Sky, thanks for your help and skills.

Would you care to weigh in on the GPS mode 2 vs 4 question?

I can only assume, since you appear to be able to sniff the server IP, that you'll be keeping a list of IP addresses. Thanks, of course. I think the "load balancing" issue might be there because I would imagine A LOT of people suddenly hit the published PDE server yesterday. With a list of servers, perhaps we can come to a community consensus: Last name A-G get XX server, H-N get YY server, etc. Just a thought.

Another concern: I doubt, but am too ignorant to know, that geographic location make a difference, but I wonder (and I bet you know) what info related to PRI version, ROM version, Radio version, geographic/tower info, etc is transmitted to the PDE server. I'm wondering what VZW learns about us (and more importantly our ROM/Radio version, which isn't their ROM/Radio) when we hit their PDE server.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] Skywing:
It's in the same /16.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] lllboredlll:
The newly found IP and Port. I've also been playing between GPSMode 2 and 4. 4 seems to lock quicker.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] Skywing:
I doubt that the amount of additional load generated by people using hacked ROMs to talk to the PDE that was originally posted would have even made a dent.

As far as what they learn, you'd have to dig up the specs on the PDE communication protocol to figure that out. They'll certainly have your IP address, which can at the very least be tracked back to an account using logs on their end. There are probably other necessary elements of data provided to the PDE about nearby towers that could probably be used to determine "who's calling" as well.

Edit: As far as GPSMode 2 versus 4 in the registry goes, I don't really have any hard information. gpsid_qct.dll definitely reads the data out of the registry, though I didn't go through the work to figure out where it ends up talking to the gpsOne chipset firmware at this point.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] gc14:
Well that explains it then. The logical assumption would be that VZW has many PDE's across the country.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] nitro66215:
If I knew what tool to run to figure this out. I'd be glad to help in my area. I write in VS2005.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] Zenoran:
So the IP changed when you "re-provisioned" vznavigator.. is it safe to assume that once it's provisioned it stays the same? I'm not sure what u mean by provisioning but I assume that means installing and initializing the application...

Now onto the business of this registry vs. the QPST info... Are BOTH required or would it work from just modifying the registry settings? I'm a little confused how the registry is actually involved here because yesterady when I had this up and running I never modified the registry with any settings... can someone explain the relationship between registry server ip/port and the one stored in QPST?

It would be interesting to see what (if any) logic is used to return a PDE address to the client.. is this based on location? And would therefore return the "best" PDE server for a user based on who is running it? Is it possible to determine the query method for getting this address and write a little app everyone can run to get the best IP for them? Or, is all this just completely unnecesary and we should just stick to one ip and be done with it.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] Scott:
Tried again with the reg settings. Went outside and didint really notice a difference. OR maybe I did... I got locks in under 20 seconds but its extrmely overcast here where I would normally get nothing. I will leave it like this until the weather breaks.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] serfboreds:
So this is great if you are in NJ or northeast, but we need to find PDE address ranges for other areas too? How can we roll this out?

Or how can we find ranges so we don't overload these servers and cause outages as we may have caused this morning (would be crazy if true). We want them to avoid being overloaded too.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] Scott:
If someone can tell me how to get the IP from VZNav I will go back to MR1 and check. I am in Fargo ND.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] Skywing:
I suspect that your geographical location doesn't really matter with respect to which PDE you talk to.

As far as whether it never changes once you are provisioned, I can't really give you a definitive answer. I can tell you that for the few days that I had VZ Navigator provisioned the first time around, with my code in place to log the requests it was making to gpsid_qct.dll, it always used the same PDE addressing information. I can also say that it definitely did acquire new information when I unchecked and rechecked VZ Navigator on my account.

However, VZ Navigator talks to the Autodesk LPS backend every time it starts. The policy that the Autodesk backend uses to return PDE addressing data to a user is not something that we have direct visibility into, other than attempting to make inferences.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] nitro66215:
For those that want to know... I do have a lock now with the following.

DCD 3.2.6

Radio 3.42.50

PRI 2.03_002

Using QPST:

PDE IP: 66.174.95.132

PDE Port: 8888

Registry:

Under SUPL AGPS:

ServerIP: 66.174.95.132

ServerPort: 8888

GPSMode: 2 (4 didn't work for me)
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] serfboreds:
True, but is it good if we are all using the same one when VZNav provisioning would normally give out a hundred addresses for the same number of people (just speaking hypothetically).

We overload the server and limit up time, right? Or should this address be able to handle us all?
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] symyn:
Same settings, 4 didn't work for me either... lock within 10 seconds. There is no method to this madness...
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] nitro66215:
One thing that has helped me finally get this working... at least in between changing settings is to shut the phone down with the power button... (holding it until it asks to shutdown... yes/no)

Then pull the battery.... let it sit for a couple minutes. Then put it in, turn it on, and check GPS Viewer. Once I see stuff.. then I bring up Garmin Mobile XT. Locks in about 10 to 20 seconds.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] psternklar:
I have found a soft reset will work as well.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] nitro66215:
Soft-reset doesn't always clear the phone for me. At least from my experience.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] symyn:
I am using TT7 which gives you a pretty nice graphical view of what satellites you are connected to. I didn't have to take my battery out or power off my phone. This is in a building where I never got locks before applying gc's change.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] Protonus:
I tried the 3 registry settings you specified, didn't help any. Still no lock :-(
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] nitro66215:
Do you at least see something? Any sat hits?
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] calash:
Is Port 8888 only used for PDE?

Playing around with netscan and got 2 Ip's so far with the ports open. The names match what phones get, but that may just be Verizon standard naming.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] Zenoran:
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] calash:
Well I can't shush now...you quoted me ;)
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] nitro66215:
Someone quoted you?
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] calash:
LOL

In reality it is likely against the ToS for use on the private network and it is not something I would suggest anybody to do.

If they are going to ding me for it, it is not going to be due to a forum post but the detected network activity.

In theory...at least ;)
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] evanbriggs1:
WOW you guys are relay freaking silly. please stop talking like that its non productive.

You arnt breaking any US laws by port sniffing.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] violentz313:
now im confused this worked great yesterday with google maps and now today im back to not being aable to get a single lock. Im in michigan and the weather is little blah right now could that be my problem?
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] gbenj:
mine also seems to be back to waht it was yesterday, i was getting 1-4 sometjimes 5 sats while on the road, and then suddenly i was seeing 7-9, and back to the 10 second lock times like i was yesterday

when i got into NYC, where i usually get 3-5 sats after anywhere 5-20 min to lock, i locked in 10 seconds onto 7 and jumped up as far as 9.

whatever the issue was before, it seems to be ok now.

now, we just need to figure out what happened, (if anything) and what can be done (if anything) to prevent and fix the problem in the future.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] BillThyCat:
When it wasn't working, were you roaming on someone elses network? It's possible that when you connect to another carriers network, the data connection may be on theirs and therefore not reach Verizon's servers.

Just a guess.

BTC
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] gliscameria:
Won't verizon know?

First off, Kudos for finding this out.

Won't Verizon know if you're doing this though? You're hitting one of their machines for the data, so they should have no problem knowing which phone it's coming from, right? I picture them charging you for the navigation service or giving you some hell eventually.

I'm a little paranoid.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] shadow-tech:
fyi, taking the battery out doesnt clear out the NV agps data.

I dont know how many times i gota say this. if u are changing reg settings YOU WILL NOT SEE A DIFFERENCE IF U DONT WAIT A LONG TIME (4-8 HOURS)

so there is no point in posting ur test if u dont wait.

If anyone figures out a way to clear the agps data I would LOVE to know. I cant figure out how.

another fyi,

if u have ur wifi card on when u try to get agps it will hinder the phone from getting the data. meaning it will not try to use the evdo to contact the ODE server. and a soft reset may be required before it will.

Also, i have been using position calculation = mobile for about a day, day in a half. i dont really notice any difference yet. im gonna put TomTom on my phone and try each setting out. Ill let ya know.

a few reason why i think PC=mobile is better cause it uses less data from the tower (good for peeps who pay/kilobyte) and it uses less battery (probibly not significant)
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] violentz313:
i was thinking the same thing there is another user at ppcgeeks with the same issue worked great yesterday today not at all they might have already caught on and changed something.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] serfboreds:
Do you believe that the issue with wifi showing as on after reboot will cause any problem (I know it is not really on, and that if you toggle on/off it goes away)?
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] gc14:
HTC GPS Tool. Clear Memory.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] shadow-tech:
no. it is only when u press 'use gps' or any other program that attempts to use the gps for the first time that u will have this problem.

THANKS!!! i guess now i know it seems obvious. but thats like saying when u lose something, 'it was in the last place i looked'. well duh it was in the last place u looked, what are u gonna do keep looking for it after u find it. Once again big ol THANKS!!!!!
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] shadow-tech:
As far as their servers going down due to overload isnt likely because I dont think really use that much data from the PDE server.

I am working on figuring out how much data is actually being transmitted and received. i may have figured it out. see the pics below

looks like it is 46 bytes TX + 58 bytes RX = 104 bytes TX/RX

the cancellation data is 13 bytes so that could be used every now and then

I dont know how often it does this though. i still need to test my gps while driving around.

also, the PDE server can authenticate if they are set up for it. see my pic below.

so theoretically they could end up locking us out. if i am reading htis correctly
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] shadow-tech:
just for reference:

Here is a list of gpsone acronyms so what im postingmakes more sense to yall. (see pic)
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] nitro66215:
I'm blind. Why does the search for HTC GPS Tool not bring up anything. Does anybody have the cab?
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] symyn:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=360477 ???
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] nitro66215:
I saw that... but didn't see anything about Clear memory
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] nitro66215:
nevermind... found the option for clear memory. DUH!
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] shadow-tech:
i see it it is the drop down. but how to do it. when i select then click nav init it says open com port first. so i do that then do it. doesnt seem to work. can u give me instruction on how to clear it out using htc tool. maybe i have a different version?
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] nitro66215:
I'm only assuming it worked. Especially since I can't get a lock anymore. LOL
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] nitro66215:
Damn... soft-reset... brought up GPS viewer.... it was going back and forth with sats... left it running.... then brought up garmin mobile xt. INSTANT LOCK!

I don't think Garmin Mobile XT likes being opened by itself. usually locks up. When viewer is open.. works perfectly
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] shadow-tech:
well if it worked then when i open google maps and press use gps it should IMMEDIATELY attempt a data connection. it isnt doing that.

i will say this though. that the very 1st time i selected clear memory and pressed Nav. init, it DID clear it out. cause i went to google maps to check it.

it didnt give me the 'open comport' error msg.

loaded google maps. closed data connection in comm manager. clicked use gps, and it immediately did a data connection.

i tried soft reseting and repeating but i cant get it to work again.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] Scott:
Dude you need to get the QVGA version! You have the VGA version. The QVGA looks much better than that as the fonts are the correct size.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] helix139:
count me as one who has had no luck today. It was working perfectly last night after I did QPST. I got 6-7 sats indoors where i usually can't get a lock, but this morning I couldn't get any sats anywhere within a reasonable amount of time.

I'm using:

DCD 3.2.6

Radio 3.37 from the VZW 6.1 release

PRI 1.35

I'm in Florida if that helps.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] nitro66215:
Try this. Download HTC GPS Tool.

Click Open Port.

Hit the drop down that says Hot Start... select clear memory. click REPEAT checkbox

Click NAVinit.... then repeat checkbox... then repeat checkbox... then NavInit... do this several times....

then click close port.

Let the screen finish doing what it does.

Go into flight mode.

soft-reset

open google maps... while in flight mode... shouldn't do much for you.

Exit google maps.

Go into regular mode.

Bring up GPS Viewer.... open com4.

Bring up Google Maps.... Use GPS...

Should get almost instant lock

Edit: Garmin Mobile XT gives me INSTANT lock using this method.

If this works for you as well... I will make it a clean Tutorial
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] animez:
GPS didn't work today for me either

After I did the agps fix last night everything was working great. I tested out the live search turn by turn directions on my way to work and was really impressed how great it worked, being free and all. I got to work about 7:00 edt and the gps didn't work pretty much all day after that. It finally started getting lock about halfway home about 17:15 edt.

DCD 3.2.6

radio 3.42.40

pri 2.03_002

reg server ip 195.207.101.126

reg server port 7788

(wait a second, I just realized this is info from a sprint phone I got from a link very early in this thread. How is my GPS working at all? Should I change my registry settings to match the QSPT ip and port numbers?)

qspt pde ip: 66.174.95.132

qspt pde port: 8888
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] nitro66215:
GC instructed to leave them as default.. (what you have).. But, I have them set to the same as what's in QPST.

Using my above mentioned method... I'm without failure getting perfect locks.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] Protonus:
Went outside, tried the GPS Tool (thanks for the heads up on that guys ,never saw it before). Got good sattelite lock. Did a clear, soft reset, tried google maps, got a lock in 10 seconds after initializing GPS.

Seems like it's working good again! Perhaps it was just maintence? Hmm..
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] nitro66215:
I believe the data is not clearing properly without using that tool. The more knowledgeable people can answer though.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] harrower:
still working

I ve been using only windows live search map to query my current gps location, and I keep it on while driving around orange county, CA. The map update keeps up very well with cali freeway speeds until i lose evdo data lolz. <windows live Maps downloaded thru pie internet connection. >

Until I find a worthy gps app with maps on my storage card, Ill just live with using gps with Live.

THANKS GC14. your fix works as stated.

On another note, if your having issues with your phones functions, Ill state exactly how i have gps working. " I simply skipped all other posts stating " found a fix for gps lalallaal" And waited for GC or DCD to post something. Since im on Verizon like GC, all of his posted solutions for mms and gps work for me on verizon.

dcd 3.2.6 working fine

radio .50 works fine

GC verizon gps fix works consistantly LOCKS in tme frame which does not mess with my "short attention span". 5 to 20 second locks.

Ty
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] viper8u2:
I did not have issues today with the gps

Mine is working fine.

I did just change the gpsmode from 2 to 4 for grins, soft reset and fired up google maps. I got a lock in 7 seconds

things working fine for me

Thanks again GC and Sky for the continued efforts
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] gc14:
I'm actually now using MS Assisted mode as the battery drain isn't really an issue for me, and lock times are a bit faster.

I have position calculation set to PDE in QPST, I have the PDE IP and Port entered into the registry, and I'm using GPSMode 4.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] viper8u2:
Same with me, exact setup/steps
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] schwillyd530:
Works Great

I can confirm that this works! Inside a large building with no outside view i get 1 to 3 "Satellites" in Google Maps and a reasonably close lock on where i am.

Thanks GC!
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] gc14:
Have you attempted to apply this using dcd 3.2.6 and pri 2.03_002? If not, try it and let me know if it works. I've only tested it on the old PRI (and to be honest, there's no real reason to use pri 2.03_002 anymore). But it would be good to know if it works regardless.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] DV8:
Well done gc getting a lock within 5 to 10 seconds on 8 sats indoors. This boy won't be upgrading to any vzw upgrade. Thanks.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] scorp508:
Is www.cinconet.org down? I can't download the tools from the Wiki page, and any images that load from the same source are getting the red X treatment.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] -Mike:
Many thanks GC. FWIW this also works with DCD 3.2.2
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] aguas:
wow. wow, wow, wow, wow. wow. i never thought this would actually happen. thank you all
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] Scott:
It seems to be working to me. I am getting locks in places I never had locks before; 1 to 2 more sats in places I did get locks. Example, My office. Got 4 to 5 sats now gets 5 to 8 using GPS Today.

Radio .40

DCD 3.2.6

PRI 2.03_002
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] gc14:
Ahh so it does work with PRI 2.03_002 and a custom OS rom. So it is now confirmed to work with both PRI 1.35_002 and 2.03_002 and custom rom/radio. Last test would be to see if it works with both the MR1 update and the new PRI, though I doubt it would work. If anyone is using the MR1 update and the new PRI and wants to test it, please post your results.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] Pegasus"143":
Can someone please post the wmodem driver file ?

I have been trying off and on for two weeks to download and cannot.

All help would be appreciated.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] tbhall77:
http://rapidshare.com/files/142205343/QPST_2.7_b215-Wmodemdrivers.zip.html
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] nitro66215:
I'm assuming this would work.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] gc14:
Yeah..cinconet is my server and went down a little while ago. I've been so busy I haven't had a chance to get it back up. I'll get it back up tonight when I get home from work.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] aguas:
edit: fixed
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] Pegasus"143":
Thanks for the help, much appreciated.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] rhannahs19:
you are the fuc*ing man GC... donation headed your way... i am assuming that just like your qpst gps fix this will persist through flash after flash after flash? thanks enjoy the donation...
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] Uss_Defiant:
aww man, i'm getting hpyed up just cause you guys are getting hyped up. Although I dont use my gps a lot, waiting 30 secs would be far better than waiting 10 min or never.

Do you guys know if this fix is applicable for other providers, IE bell? And what is

pri 1.35_002, or just pri in general and where can i get it? lol
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] btonetbone:
I was about to ask a very similar question. Does anyone know if this will work on Alltel? If nobody has tried, I will test it when I get home late tonight and report back.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] tbhall77:
Alltel AGPS
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] bmb2n:
aGPS requires data connection?

It seems like aGPS requires active data connection to the server. I can't get it to work since I have data blocked on my account.

Can anyone else confirms this?
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] pjsockett:
You've been saying for so long that is does nothing for us. Why the change of heart?
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] nitro66215:
I still have mode = 2. It seams to work.