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[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] Sukrith:
Yes! This is something that needs to be done... I've seen comments in the youtube section where people who haven't even used the phone just outright say "I'm not getting it because your review says this one aspect of the phone is bad!" IMO, this is one of the best phones I've ever had and I'm truly happy that I got it and that too at the price I paid! What people don't understand is,

1. Youtubers aren't working for us. They want views based on which they can approach a company for sponsorship and free stuff

2. They have access to multiple phones so if they say the photos on the S21 is good and video is bad , they can use their iPhone to shoot videos and S21 for photos, they just don't care

3. The camera performance of a phone is actually subjective to the beholder! Some people love punchy colours and don't care what happens when they zoom in, some want details on their phones, etc. A reviewers opinion isn't the end all and be all in this case!

What should matter is are you happy with the something! No-one is going to run benchmarks daily... If your phone handles day to day activities, then that's what's important! People in the Exynos region, stop being sad unless and until u had an option to import the Snapdragon one because it's not your fault you got it! If you wanted a Snapdragon phone, you could've got any other phone instead of Samsung! But if you chose Samsung, it's because of a reason... So just accept that and move on!🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] oae08:
The worse thing about the exynos version is the camera. Performance wise might be comparable and even but the camera is really worse on exynos and not up to flagship standards especially night time photos...
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] Sukrith:
For this, I really feel it's fixable with a software update because it has to do with processing and I for one really feel they will optimize it and fix it soon to avoid another 990 scenario because of the way they launched the 2100! The NPUs in the 2100 is far superior to the one in the 888 according to what I've read and seen in benchmarks... I'm not sure about the ISP so maybe tweaking the NPU to process the pictures using AI maybe an option they'll consider but I don't know if it's possible or if they'll do it. 🤷🏻‍♂️ Let's just hope for the best!
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] pafc66:
It's pretty obvious the exynos camera is a joke at the moment

http://instagr.am/p/CLAj7KnBg9C/

Colours, contrast , details are just lacking

I'll upload photos of mine shortly.
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] pafc66:
I wouldn't hold your breath..

In the past one model always yielded better results than the other after release and it never swings the other way after updates.

In the s20 series it was actually the exynos variant that had the better camera but it was at least very close.

This generation it looks like two different phones.
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] Sukrith:
This time I feel it'll be different because of the bad press they got with the 990 and how much of an issue the shareholders made in Korea! If it repeats again, it may as well be the end of Exynos because even in Korea, they are using Exynos this time as well from what I know!
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] pafc66:
Exynos Colours were desaturated (some may like this?)more detail on SD as well. Video quality exynos was lacking as well.
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] oae08:
The exynos version is even worse than 300$ huawei phone cameras !!!
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] pafc66:
I wouldn't go that far lol
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] piyush7243:
Lol. Just got the Feb update. The performance went half from what I was getting earlier

Spoiler content hidden.
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] UNIK97122:
:p:D:D:D cool, it's like galaxys S4 ...anyway, try to clean partition cache and try again
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] piyush7243:
LOL it's improved from what I was having earlier. Fingerprint reader is faster as well
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] Virgo_Guy:
Quite an interesting video wherein Exynos is performing better than the SD.

Looks like not all Exynos units are having similar performance across the board..
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] Sukrith:
Ya... Anandtech also says the same thing as in the "binning" (have heard about it but don't remember what it is) is lower on the Ultra chips compared to the S21s
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] Sukrith:
I'm starting to feel Samsung is handicapping the SD one and enhancing the Exynos after all this talk about "how $#¡T" the Exynos is!🤣🤣🤣
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] isko01:
Exynos is going too hot just if you open the camera and do nothing. If you record 10 minutes it shot down.
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] Sukrith:
Down or up?🤔
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] isko01:
Everyone with Exynos have HEATING PROBLEM!

If you open the camera just 10 minutes it will heat.

If you recording video for 10 Minutes, your phone will heat to 47°C and phone will close your camera.

This is happening in winter when is not so HOT. What will be in summer???

Will Samsung fix this with updates?
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] oae08:
In terms of camera photos its definitely much worse than the SD. just LOOK at those ugly photos!!
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] Sukrith:
I do video calls a lot and I know what you mean but my issue comes only after maybe 30mins or something! I've also recorded 4K 60FPS videos at night, but I actually haven't faced it... I'll check anyways!
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] thegr8anand:
Damn Anandtech absolutely destroyed the ultra. Neither are great improvements and consume much more power to get figures which are not sustained. AGAIN exynos is well behind SD. Had ordered my ultra exynos earlier today and am now having second thoughts. Tbf most the scenarios wont happen in my day to day use.

And hopefully the photos are not awful as that TechChap review. Welp.
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] isko01:
Can you try using offical camer app?

For me is no problem after 30 minutes thats is normal, but just for 10 minutes phone is geting 47c thats is not good :(
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] Sukrith:
It is the official camera app... I am actually hoping to get GCam as soon as possible!😍😍😍
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] Sukrith:
That's the thing! I have been using the S21 Ultra for the last 2 weeks+ and whatever the reviewers are saying, I am yet to face it! The picture quality maybe bad but I just look at photos in a macro level and not zoomed in so I don't notice problems and I really feel Samsung will fix it to an extent with the updates... videos I have taken a few and yes I felt the noise is too much and sharpness wasn't there so again hopefully let's pray to Samsung gods that we get updates!🤣🤣🤣 I use my phone a lot everyday I am getting good battery life, no heating (during Duo calls after ½ an hour it starts being hot at times), no lag, no stutter and I'm really happy with my decision! And anyway I have no other option... I can't import a SD Ultra anyway especially thanks to stupid covid!😖😖😖 The SD888 phones that's gonna come out from now on will have one or the other compromises and after reading anandtech review I really feel Qualcomm might have another 810 scenario this time around!
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] ssj100:
Another review after "sustained" heavy load (spoiler - Exynos and Snapdragon are pretty similar):
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] ssj100:
I think the following overall observations are quite consistent across the reviews/benchmarks:

1. Exynos is slightly better in terms of raw CPU performance (artificial benchmarks)

2. Exynos is slightly worse in terms of raw GPU performance (artificial benchmarks)

3. Actual real-world performance is about the same (general use of the phone and gaming etc)

4. Real-world temperature is about the same (when measuring with an actual heat gun)

5. Battery life is about the same (I've seen it go both ways, but the difference is small)

5. Camera picture quality is about the same (camera stuff is obviously the most subjective, and I've seen it go both ways, which is probably within user/hardware "error margins")

6. Camera video quality is slightly better on Snapdragon (although Tech Chap recent review suggested the opposite - again, could be down to user/hardware "error margins")

In summary, based on public reviews, Exynos and Snapdragon aren't that far apart this time, and probably either should be acceptable.
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] ssj100:
I missed this battery life test (purely video playing at 120Hz from 100% to 0% battery) done a couple of days ago:

Exynos wins that one by 9%, which while isn't a big difference, isn't insignificant either.
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] peterg21:
Tests like these are nonsense. No more qualified than 90% of the posters here.

Rather look at articles like this done by professionals : The Snapdragon 888 vs The Exynos 2100: Cortex-X1 & 5nm - Who Does It Better? (anandtech.com)

Edit. Not in the slightest an insult to you as I appreciate all reviews.
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] Sukrith:
My question is what's the need to go by any of this and why not go by what actual users of the phone say? Benchmarks or real life usage tests give a better idea of what a user can expect than the micro level analysis done by anandtech! And if you are going by that, you can understand both chips are crappy thanks to, according to them, the fabrication process and I really feel that once the 888 is more publicly available, it may become the next 810 based on the temperature from what I've seen and read!
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] ssj100:
I would say that real-world performance is all that ultimately matters to the user. Calling reviews that test real-world performance "nonsense" is probably a bit of a stretch.

This is easily demonstrably proven by giving this example - let's say two people are travelling and have no way to charge their phones, but have time and want to watch over 12 hours of movies non-stop. Based on that video, the person who has the Exynos model would achieve this, while the person with the Snapdragon model would be angry because they weren't able to finish the last 50 minutes or so of their very exciting (last) movie!
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] peterg21:
I acknowledge that I was out of line with that comment. Even though I have the Snapdragon I am having mixed feelings about the whole thing.
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] Sukrith:
You see what's happening now is people who have Snapdragon and people who have not bought any S21 wants to prove that Exynos is bad and they got a better phone or just make people who bought an S21 feel bad respectively!(don't take it the wrong way but having gone through the forum posts and comments, this is what I understood)... But the thing is noone is taking the word of actual people who bought the phone and is happy about it to account at all! Everyone is so focused on what "tech reviewers" say and when someone supports Exynos, they are lying or stupid and if they bash the Exynos, they are the best because I have seen what people have been saying about MrWhoseTheBoss... His test was actually comprehensive but the part where he read the temperature thing was wrong and he admitted it so did he admit he'll have another go at it after the other guy the TechChap's video came out! But how does all this affect the daily usage of a phone? People who buy a new phone look at battery, display, cameras, day to day performance and gaming to some extent as well! And everything is same in both the phones! I'm getting almost 8hrs+ screen on time with 17hrs+ usage at wqhd with 120hz with the Exynos and that too seeing videos, using duo atleast for 2 hours daily, streaming music, browsing etc. What's the problem now? I do accept the camera performance might not be that good compared to Snapdragon and I really hope Samsung fixes this in the next software update or any software update! But my phone captures better photos than any of the phones people I know uses and I don't do pixel peeking! So... I'm not sure how many people will agree to my view point on this... But let's see!
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] HUNRain:
Same bull****.
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] HUNRain:
Nope, not everyone. Reviewers users include me, dont have any heating problems.

Its boring, users with SD tries to degrade tge exynos version with fake informations.. Dont cry babies, exynos is now almost in par with snap. A little better performance and videos in snap.

A little better photos and battery time in in exynos.

Thats all.
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] UNIK97122:
sorry but pictures with my exynos are worst than my s20 ultra :rolleyes:
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] pafc66:
Photos and video is a lot better on the snapdragon model so far. Lol what the hell are you talking about? The only thing I liked about the exynos model I had was it wasn't as overly saturated as some snapdragon pics but everything else the post processing was trash.
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] lawtq:
Ah you've had both variants? Anything more you noticed?
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] dezborders:
It's true that last year's S20 N20 Exynos were way behind SD865 performance,plus troublesome overheating and performance throttling .

However Exynos 1020 is almost as good as SD888 minus the GPU (which should be resolved next year if Sammy partners with AMD for GPU)

As for picture quality it's obviously subjective, each person will have their own view.

Me? I watched YouTube reviews comparing and contrasting pics taken with Exynos S21U or SD S21U.... Listened to the presenter explain the differences.... Looked once... Looked twice ... Zoomed in close on both pics ... I COULD NOT SEE ANY REAL DIFFERENCE!
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] Batfink33:
Virtually no difference between Exy and SD versions.
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] UNIK97122:
Really.....bull**** ??

you speak of "forums" me I speak of the real life seen that I have the two phones in my hands (both exynos of course...) unlike the person like you who speak of "bull****" if I say that it is better on the S20 ultra it is because I have them both and I can compare and not read comments...

so here it is and learn.....
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] Batfink33:
The s21 pic is 4mb whilst the s20 is only 3mb so there has to be more detail in the s21 pic. Also, I can't see how the s21 pic is worse? Tbh, they both look very similar.
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] oae08:
Wow what an informative comment. Show me how well the ****ty exynos camera is before calling bull****. As for me, i have proven myself and have attached several photos if you even cared to read and check before commenting. Im not happy that exynos is **** as i have bought the phone and paid 1600$ to waste!
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] nightoooo:
I agree and the problem also that many reviewers has published their videos showing that Exynos 2100 vs Snapdragon 888 are almost neck to neck (sometimes Exynos is slightly better) but people keeps bringing anandtech and that bull to the table to prove something is NOT in real world, all measurements done in labs are NOT interested for me, real life usage is more interesting!

More than 6 tech reviews said Exynons is on pair with SD .. while just 2 (using lab measurements) said the opposite, i ask people who bought the phone and they are happy with their purchase, i don't understand this fanboy mentality, if you want SD, go buy SD, if u like Exynos, go buy Exynos, then cut the **** off.,
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] UNIK97122:
the size of the photo does not mean anything, the result is however better in sharpness on the s20 ultra, an example just look at the antenna on the roof of the castle
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] Batfink33:
I'm coming from a OP8Pro and the Exynos S21U is like a Mercedes compared to the 8Pro Dacia. All the battling and hate is kind of strange when you compare even the Exy S21u compared to most other phones, it's streets ahead!
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] Batfink33:
Can't see much difference.Edit: Yeah, the tiles are a bit more detailed on the s20.
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] peterg21:
Neither can I and I have a 32" monitor running at 1440P. But what do I know? I don't think the antenna is an object to concentrate on but more aspects like grass and fine detailed elements. The antenna has no detail and blowing up to full screen shows no material difference. Edit: Pet fur I have found to really expose differences as it is so detailed on a pixel by pixel basis.
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] UNIK97122:
what do you think about this one ? (S21 ultra exynos raw 12 bits edited)
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] Badger50:
Thread lightly cleaned!

Greetings to all. Just a friendly reminder to some. If you want to participate in phone comparisons, please do it in a respectful manner without unnecessary rudeness.

Thank you for your cooperation, and a pleasant day to all.

-Badger50
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] HUNRain:
Your pics.. Epic fail. Thanks. Much better details on s21u.
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] UNIK97122:
🤣you use sreenshoot on a phone to see is à picture is good ??ok i understand now...so long life to you
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] Sukrith:
I actually don't think that's what he did... It's just him showing how the S21U has more details than the S20U by zooming in and taking a screenshot to prove his point I think! I maybe wrong
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] UNIK97122:
yes you are right it is entirely his opinion ... the problem is that on the forum he treats all those who say that the photos of the exynos version are bad as liars, while he has not posted any pictures or nothing. what is he based on to say that? screenshot with a phone? the example he shows in fact he is right about this but on the rest of the photo, the result is clear :the S20 Ultra is currently taking better photos than the S21 Ultra exynos my photos are online everyone can do the tests and if needed i have more pictures to share.

ps: to compare picture try on pc, not on smatphone :cool:
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] Sukrith:
Actually I personally don't mind... I am happy with my phone and I don't see any problem that anyone says they have with the phone, which is bad battery life and heating... I don't take much photos but whatever I have taken has actually got the phone praise because everyone else uses normal phones and look at photos in a macro level... And even if there is a quality issue, I know for a fact Samsung will fix it as a lot is riding on this Exynos for them! So hopefully this will be fixed... I plan on using this phone for the next 3 years atleast as priorities are starting to change😅... So let's see what happens!🤭
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] UNIK97122:
me too, i'm happy with my phone i just need update for photo and video and with my case, no heating problem:D
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] nightoo:
Watch this video and to be honest, I am fed of people complaining too much about the camera quality in Exynos because simply it's performing even better than Snapdragon, so please stop this annoying fanboys mentality, get a proper life and let people enjoy thier life..
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] iamnotkurtcobain:
That's a record right? Exynos S21 Ultra.
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] sndrtv:
But i cheated a little, kept my phone in the freezer for 5 minutes.
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] UNIK97122:
:LOL::ROFLMAO:
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] pafc66:
Irrelevant..

It's not the 108megapixel s21 ultra. It's just the s21. Completely different sensors.

Might want to get the models right before making that determination because you're wrong
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] xAD3r1ty:
after owning both exynos 2100 and sp888 i just returned the exynos, unless you are lucky and get good silicon you will have an inferior phone for 1300eur, my exynos couldn't hold max cpu clocks, gpu throttling hard, getting hot too easily, i ran every possible benchmark and it was bad results, latest firmware.

the 888 is night and day at least for me.

i dont want to bash on exynos, my gf also has the s21 exynos , better bin than mine but still worse than the sp888, that's why you sometimes see vídeos where the exynos is on par and others where it's so much worse

it might not matter to some but if I'm paying this high price for a phone, I'm for sure getting the better one
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] Sukrith:
How did you check your bin? Lots of people have been looking for a way!
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] xAD3r1ty:
By benchmarks and comparing FPS between benchmarks/games, for example, 3dmark runs around the 20-40fps, did multiple runs and comparing my exynos with my gf (both exynos 2100) I saw real-time her device legit getting 7-8 more FPS than me, it's like I was testing 2 completely different devices
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] Sukrith:
You can't just base this on benchmarks alone! There are a whole lot of variables that affect benchmark score like which apps are running in the background, the frame rate and the screen resolution (when you are comparing with the S21) so I would suggest you to have a look at the scores again if u haven't considered this... But if u have, then definitely your device may have some issues! I have got scores from 600 to 1100 something using my S21U so that's why I am saying this!
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] dazed1:
Exynos haters are the flat earthers of the mobile world. And let me be honest, neither Exynos, or Snapdragon take better photos, and i talk about the 2100 and cameras mostly, for games the 888 have advantage. This phone in both version is brutally snappy and super fast, the input latency is in single digits, insane responsiveness.

The difference lies in random variations from unit to unit.

And from the different firmware's used in both phones most likely.

The blurriness at sides in the video from the Snapdragon, is what i have on my January fw stucked S21U.

The cameras still need some work, i expect S21U to be at its best in 2-3 months.
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] nightoo:
Actually, there is almost no difference between the two chipsets for 99% people.

The benchmarks are taken when the phones pushes to their maximum load which is in real life will not happen so often or almost never! If that load happens then it will be for just limited time..

It's the exactly same with PC world, when you run benchmarking tests, you will hear all fans goes on highest speed until CPU & GPU start throttling to cool down and that load will be only for limited time not for longer period.

The real time usage is the only relevant here, if I get a phone that works according to my expectations, then I don't need to compare all the time with other devices, what I mean the initial tests are just enough and the majority of these tests showed how close the gap shrinked in between Exynos and Snapdragon.

See below table showing the comparisons between Exynos & Snapdragon in the latest years.. (thanks to Swedroid).. this is at least for GeekBench..
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] mtm1401:
If people have the time to do this, would be much appreciated

Question - Exynos Chip Bin/Performance Survey | XDA Developers Forums (xda-developers.com)
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] TwistyValhalla:
This article was quite insightful:

The Snapdragon 888 vs The Exynos 2100: Cortex-X1 & 5nm - Who Does It Better?

www.anandtech.com

Honestly, disappointing results for both. Peak performance numbers are only there for marketing purposes it seems.
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] dazed1:
https://xdaforums.com/t/camera-performance.4227097/post-84524063

Check this out
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] peterg21:
This is probably the best thread if any to post this so here goes:

The Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra & S21 Review: The Near Perfect and The Different (anandtech.com)

I have not even read it yet but really looking forward to it.
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] Sukrith:
Conclusion is that Snapdragon and Exynos is on par with each other in terms of everything and one shouldn't worry which they get! The camera performance of both the variants are bad like all the previous releases every year and they are saying it'll be fixed with software updates because it clearly has to do with software and not the hardware and that this is how Samsung works...
[Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra] dazed1:
Yeah, no.

The Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra & S21 Review: The Near Perfect and The Different

www.anandtech.com

He tested the phones on very first firmware sadly :/

on AUB9 camera is significantly better.