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[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Yeah, I'm not gonna lie, I've pretty much given up hope on it happening. Then again I have no need for it, so it's easier for me to discard the idea. If I bought a phone for $1100 and had to sell it for $650, I might feel a little different about it.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] boomin:
Raphael for sale

I am selling my TP for 750 if anyone is interested...

please email me with questions

ajenkins@702motoring.com

thanks
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] HTCFAN0923:
I have a Touch Pro here @ work so I'm willing to give it a shot if u guyz give me any ideas of hwo ot do it..I'm a basic level cook so I've made my own ROMS but I feel like the chefs are better...still learning I suppose
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] someara:
I understand that noting official has come from the elites. Yet, is there anything which is "un-official?"
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] karloe:
Have you read the latest posts in that thread??

They are testing, and results don't look too bad :eek:
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Raspster:
very true on the progress but still nothing has been said about the 3g for the US. Since it was not even mentioned, I would say there seems to be no status change from a 3g stand point.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] karloe:
Since the Fuze is not readily available that really doesn't wonder me ;)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] boomin:
Here is my recent experience

I dont know if its just weird coincidence, but 1 out of 5 times that I turn my phone on (after reset) it comes up to 3g band first...shows signal strength, then defaults back to Edge....

Just now, I looked down at my phone and it was recieving 3G signal...I think the "power" to unlock might be their network and or imei...I am thinking of calling att and changing my imei number to this actual phone...it is currently my old Kaiser...

Will keep you posted...

thanks

boomin
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] anandoc:
Are you referring to the "G" icon which comes up occasionally? If so, then its not 3G, but GPRS...which is worse than Edge. Other members have made similar mistake before.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] boomin:
I wonder if I used the fuze imei number on the account if it would work...

any ideas?

thanks

and yes you were right....

it is gprs...lol

boomin
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
The only thing they track your IMEI number for is if you lose your phone or get it stolen, also to determine the type of data plan your phone requires. No service changes or compatibility issues will be fixed or change otherwise. :(
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] boomin:
Damn...Im reachin...I'm really reaching...I hate this damn phone because of no 3G...Sincerely HATE IT!

PLEASE HACK THE ROM SOMEONE! PLEASE!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
I haxX0rd it 4 u, nd hear is ur 3g.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] risinxdragon:
so any updates? whats going on...:confused:
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] boomin:
sounds like a whole lotta nadda

i hate slow internet...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] viperbjk:
I'm having a look at this issue and the issue of enabling usb diag port right now.

Cya,

Viper BJK
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] boomin:
hmm....

any new news? U would love to help on this project...

anyone?

thanks

boomin
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] McHale:
There hasn't been any news in a while because many people donated money and nobody wants to come right out and say that there's a hardware limitation that is stopping 3G from working (and you're not getting your money back that you donated). HTC has officially stated this several times.

It will not work. The hardware is not there. Ebay it and get the Fuze. That's your only option with the non-US Raphael.

-Mc
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mallman:
maybe you can point me to that "official" posting by HTC?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] creiz:
Have Faith in XDA. There "was" a "hardware limitation" on the 850 Band on the Diamond, right? well...

IT WAS WRONG! OMG! MAGIC! XDA done it again.

Until someone from the elite says there won't be US 3G on the TP, I'll wait for the miracle to happen.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] patriciogac:
yeah! me too, I´m still believe in miracles!, anyway a "breath" of hope would be nice....
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] viperbjk:
If there is an hardware issue, I'll find out.

Just relax and wait.We will tell you.

Reversing this issue is nothing that can be done in just one day or week.

And regarding donation .... I never got any for this issue, and there is

no need to donate as long as I cannot say if it's an hardware issue or not.

The only information I got so far is that the CPU is the same.

But that doesn't tell anything about the revision itself, that might have different bands.

Also there are grave differences between old and new diamonds / touch pros models although they are labeled the same, which also makes it a bit harder.

We already flashed ROM, parts of radio and nvitems from Fuze to see if that works out. It didn't, so now we have to do real reversing work regarding simsecure and the band selection itself. Right now I'm working on the diag port, because it will ease the search for band selection a lot. And as it seems, we're doing great progress on that.

Cya,

Viper BJK
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] creiz:
If you need me to flash something in my touch pro, i'll be happy to oblige. I live in an area with good 3G coverage, and I have a virtually unlimited data plan. (Rogers 6gb/month, more than enough).
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] th1nm1nt:
Personally, I appreciate all the help the Elite team is doing. This means a lot, and was well worth my donation simply because this is up and beyond my talents with the TP. If they get it or not, I'm pleased with the man hours they devoted.

More donations to come, simply for everyone's efforts! I won't go fuze for the 3G...happy with the performance of my TP. It is fine the way it is...3G would just make the perfect phone even better.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] viperbjk:
Thanks for the offer :) I guess we will need a lot of beta testers :)

Btw. we = me and cmonex. I even don't know who the elite team is ...

QMAT seems to reach a higher quality level so it can replace mtty. As soon as the new version is released, I'll start hacking the CPU/3G issue and Diag Port.

Cya,

Viper BJK
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] rotohammer:
viperbjk,

What was the verdict on the EU vs US Diamonds, different hardware or a slick locking mechanism for 3G?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] viperbjk:
Between CDMA and GSM version ... oh my. It's really different.

CPU is 7201A for GSM and 7501A for CDMA. Also the firmware is completely different. First time I reversed some bits, I was shocked for sure :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] rotohammer:
I meant US GSM vs EU GSM :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] viperbjk:
Ah :) Well got no news yet for that.

I've got to reverse both of them. I guess although the CPU is labeled the same,

CPU's got a different revision. But to be sure, I need to reverse the firmware.

Time is right now a problem ... as I'm using up all freetime I have.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] patriciogac:
Well, I wish Elite Team or viperbjk could give us a definitive answer soon! I have a TP and a Diamond (both european models off course:(), This is like waiting the birth of a baby! Well time will tell!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] McHale:
http://twitter.com/htc (Which *IS* an official HTC representative)

"RT: adding additional 3G bands to any of our new phones cannot be done with a software update, it requires additional hardware."

"RT: the software update that enabled 2G 850 on the diamond worked because the necessary hardware was already there."

-Mc
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] helraiser:
looks like i'll be putting mine back on the market for sale... that really sucks. its funny tho cuz there's other posts from ppl that spoke with other htc reps and said the phone isn't crippled but just needs the extra frequencies "turned on"
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Well... That's an abrupt ending. :(

Fuze for sale! PM me :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] cmonex:
again a Fuze?

anyway, ask the buyer to PM me please. need some more dumping of its nand.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] cmonex:
heh, elite team is the rom cooking team, but we also want 3G, yes.

long live QMAT :D
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] cmonex:
[size=+2]ATTENTION:[/size]

we need to talk to someone who has a Fuze (ausbj sold his to someone else). we might need to dump more stuff from it to continue work on 3G (specifically EFS).

of course without a Fuze, we can still do reversing, but it would help to have someone who has one.

so please PM me if you have one.

btw so far what has been done:

- NV items replacement

- reset AT command

- ATT ROM installed (with radio that supports USA 3G for sure)

we need to try:

- EFS replacement

- other ideas
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] patriciogac:
There is still HOPE?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Will do, unless you want to buy it... :P
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] viperbjk:
Ok .. I had a look on both firmwares.

I can now confirm, that both radios seem to use the same CPU :

MSM7201A Revision J

Also the supported bands are on both firmwares the same.

The band items can be enabled.

Ok ... so now we only need to know which RTR chipset the fuze and touch pro use.

If the RTR chipset is also the same, then chances for enabling the missing bands are high.

Form datasheet, the RTR in Fuze must be RTR6285.

Can anybody confirm the RTR in Touch Pro (Raphael) ?

As for Diamond, I can confirm that a RTR6285 is used.

So that one is able to recieve the WCDMA 800-850 bands after enabling.

For WCDMA850/800 we will need to write the correct calib values to nvitems,

and also enable these bands (bandclasses) in the nvitem 1877 and 1878.

Of course radio must support these bands and ROM also has to feature all bands. As far as I can see that, they both do.

Diamond firmware does already support WCDMA800 ... if it supports WCDMA850, I've got to reverse that.

Also we need to see if this feature is pid enabled. So we might need to patch that too.

Cya,

Viper BJK
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] cmonex:
no, I'm not interested in owning a Fuze. thanks if you can help.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] gatordent:
Keep up the great work guys!

Thanks Viper for keeping us updated!

Donation Confirmation number: 663791213D6561532
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] viperbjk:
Thanks for the Donation :)

Anyway, to be honest it would help a lot more if there were more people

actively helping in the reversing process.

That means :

Hardware to test, Reversers, Beta Testers that do not fear to brick their devices, Beta Tester that want to test weird things even things they don't understand *fg*, Schematics :D, even bricked diamonds (flashed wrong firmware) will help.

Me and Cmonex will keep you informed on the progress done on this issue, however, I can not promise that we get this thing up and running.

But as said, right now, having a look at the hardware it seems it can be done.

Next steps will be to activate Diag port, read out all efs items, change multiband item (either in efs or simsecure) + update nvitems needed for wcdma800/850. For that we need Fuze + Diamond CDMA Dumps.

Another issue will be to hack the secure partition, I name it "simsecure".

So to say .. it will be a long trip, but we are willing to do it :D

Cya,

Viper BJK
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] gatordent:
I only have a US Diamond, it has 3G here in the states, but I was in Norway last month and the 3G did NOT work there. Let me know what I can do to help.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] viperbjk:
That would be fine. I'll come back to you later. I'm going to reverse simsecure now, after that you can help for sure :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] gqueipo:
New Volunteer Here

Hello Viper, I would like to add myself to your team as a volunteer, I'm willing to make any test you and your team need to make on my HTC TP (Raph100), assuming the risk it takes. (hoping to enjoy the 3G benefits in the same phone ;))

Hope this donation could help in any way in your researching.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
*scratches head*

Not to offend anyone or interrupt what you're doing, as I think it's great the contribution you're making... But didn't HTC say you can't get North American 3G without hardware changes? I figured it would've been a dead issue once I saw they posted that.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] viperbjk:
That is great :) I'll also come back to you later :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] helraiser:
I'm hoping they're either lying or a case of one rep not being down with the entire plan. For example you call your isp and they say the service is not down. Call 5mins later and they say it is, call again and it's not. Who do you believe?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
This was officially announced on their twitter page, it's not like someone called and spoke to a 20 year old customer service rep who said it needed hardware.

http://twitter.com/htc?page=2
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] viperbjk:
Well ... the question is : what hardware changes, as the hardware is already available. If the diamond / touch pro had an rtr earlier than rtr6285, I would agree. Then reception and transmission would be impossible. But they seem to have both an rtr6285.

Of course, a simple ROM update won't upgrade the bands for sure.

Writing nvitems without diag port is rather tricky. If that is what they meant with "hardware change" ... ok.

As long as there is no direct proof, I don't feel really comfortable with any answer from htc except the R&D department telling details what the hardware problem is :D Or my research showing that some efuses were written to prevent the usage of these bands.

Update :

If that is the only thing that has to be changed I've got to laugh :) Moding an antenna is the easiest task.

But reception will also work without moding at all. It's just not optimized.

Cya,

Viper BJK
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mrvanx:
Thats the spirit ;) Yep i/we are also in the same thinking that unless we see proof that it is actually not do-able in the hardware, then it is still possible. The man hours are worth it even if this is put to rest for good (read: Hermes GPS capability).

Good going Viper.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jcrompton:
I spoke with one of the ATT reps that I "trust" this past weekend and he said that they have been told that the phone for sure has different hardware (apparently they were given an update on the Fuze by their tech people last week) ....

I guess it could be a sales pitch but he knows that I have most of these phones before they get them anyway - he just sales iPhones to the rest of my office and family :eek:
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Well, my hat is off to you guys for putting in so much work on it, and God knows you have a ton more knowledge and experience on the subject than I do. Best of luck with breaking out 3G, and hopefully it is just a sales pitch to sell more AT&T models. :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] stepw:
Officially? It ain't official until there's a press-release published by HTC on their web-site. Anyone could register any username in twitter, is there any proof http://twitter.com/htc is related to HTC at all?

This is the oldest marketing trick, they WANT it to be impossible to use a feature without hardware modifications, but they don't bother to actually DO it. In many cases it's not cost effective to update hardware design, so features are locked down with software only plug.

viperbjk, is it really productive to research simsecure? Have you seen radio calibration data in simsecure in any other devices before? Are there any data only partitions available in the radio ROM dump other than simsecure, efs and nvram that could contain calibration data?

If diag mode is locked down, can you get TP run nprg7200?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] cmonex:
hey.. I sent you a PM :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] cmonex:
yes long trip but no problem ;)

as for NV items: have I sent you the Fuze dump yet? I can't remember
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] gatordent:
It seems like the US Diamond, as well as the Fuze will be 3G only on the 850 bands, and do not include the 2100 band. While i was in Norway my Touch Cruise was working on 3G (Telenor) but the diamond only saw EDGE. It pissed me off because I paid $750 for the Diamond. Haveing all the bands working would not only be useful for those who want to import EU phones but for those who travel as well.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] cmonex:
that's quite true... I did wonder before if the US diamond/raphael had the EU band disabled... new goal I guess... :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] boomin:
interesting...

that also makes you wonder if the "new generation" of phones will be similar to a simlock and you will have to kiss the a$$ of the original provider of the phone in order to "unlock" bands...I wish we had someone deep inside at HTC...makes me want to try and get a part time job there...cant someone slip someone a $100 handshake? Get me in front of someone...lol

Thats kind of weiner to block the top side of 3g out of the phones too...I think this is starting to get even more personal now...lol not that an 800$ phone that gets edge speed when I am used to getting HSDPA isnt bad enough...

boomin
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] McHale:
Looks like I'm sticking with my Kaiser until they release a WinMo device that still gets all the frequencies. Oh well, their loss...

-Mc
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] @Class:
Pray fellas, pray...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] viperbjk:
Well, yes it is. I've seen radio calibration data in simsecure before (was Benq/Siemens EF81). But right now, we're still stuck with the Diag Mode.

We did some amss patching to enable it, but it seems we've missed something.

We know not yet if it is hardware or software only issue. For the hardware thing, we need pictures from the chipsets to be sure. It could be that the frequency multiplexer isn't capable to use these bands.

As for software, I guess we really need the diag port.

Without diag mode, we cannot run nprg7200 at all.

Cya,

Viper BJK
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Timb320:
Well, Hope we will be in luck and its Not a hardware limitation. With that said and IF its not, hope you can come out with the Radio UPdate as a separate download so I dont have to reflash the ROM (OS) if I dont want to, to aviod lossing my customizations.

Hoping for a Miracle.. :)

Thanks for your efforts....
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] viperbjk:
Well there is a hardware limitation :

you would need to mod at least the antenna. But still we need pictures from the chipsets to see if the muxes / antenna switches used are capable to work with the 800/850 bands.

As for the software part, we are working on that.

Cya,

Viper BJK
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] labbbby:
Thanks for the updates Viper! your hard work is very appreciated.

I got a quick question, I am in Canada on Fido network. This network operates on the 1900mhz band exclusively. (for 3G)

Are the limitations you`re talking about are the same for this band? I assume so but I am curious to hear an expert!

Thanks in advance.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Timb320:
Actually that brings up a good point.. ATT I think uses 850/1900 (I think) and if goiung my your last post Viper, I could at least get these band working and have the option of jumping ship/signing up for ATT. IF I wanted to bad enough that is..

Good Question Labbbby..
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] y2whisper:
ouch hardware mod...may be a bit risky for some (incl me), will keep watching though, thanks for the updates!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] anandoc:
Incorrect. Rogers/Fido does 3G on 850 Mhz . There is some info here as well:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogers_Wireless
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] KaiserVideoDriver:
the odds are similar to activating GPS on Hermes
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] y2whisper:
ouch well it was a good dream for me. keep up the hard work viper and cmonex (hoping i spelled it right)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] helraiser:
DOH!!!! I wonder how hard it is to get to the antenna in the phone. obviously it's in the case where the battery is right?

or maybe it's time for the xperia... looking a lot nicer now!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] labbbby:
Yeah, well Fido is owned by Rogers. But Fido used to be exclusively on the 1900 band, now if you "fallback" on Rogers network, that is fido extended network, you will likely be using the 850mhz band.

In Montreal, where I live, Fido has a very good coverage so I could get away with only their network

I am pretty certain from the searches I did that fido is exclusively 1900...

Anyway the question remains, are the 850 limitations applies to the 1900 band?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
So according to that logic, the Saw 5 myspace is not official because anyone can make a myspace. Right? How about Saw 5's YouTube and Facebook accounts? I guess those aren't official.

http://www.myspace.com/saw5movie

http://www.new.facebook.com/SawV

http://www.youtube.com/lionsgateLIVE

The fact is, not everything a company does is posted on their main website. If you don't believe HTC's twitter is accurate, you must think the Touch HD is coming to the States, because that's the only place we were told it isn't.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] stepw:
Thanks for clarification. So are certain diag mode commands locked or diag mode can't be enabled at all from AMSS without patching?

It's clear that HTC Touch HD is not coming to US, however Twitter feed is obviously unofficial. It's odd that you see a contradiction in this statement.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] boomin:
bored at the airport

and what does that have to do with 3g and hsdpa on my slow phone that sucks to try and watch slingbox at the airport...lol
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] McHale:
Not sure what your definition of "official" is but it's an HTC employee, posting HTC breaking news, and misc. HTC info (which nobody is posting elsewhere) as well as answering people's HTC related questions with HTC's blessing and probably doing it on work time.

It's official enough for me.

-Mc
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] fhsieh:
Companies used to rely on official Press Releases for breaking news. Now a lot of them have blogs, since PR sites are too dull and impersonal. But blogs are now becoming outdated (it's hard to keep up with lots of lengthy posts), so Twitter is the next big thing.

It's certainly not a traditional way of PR communication, but a lot of companies are beginning to use it as an "unofficial, but direct from the source" news feed. :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Why is it clear it's not coming? It hasn't been released ANYWHERE yet, so why wouldn't you think it could come here? The Diamond/Touch Pro were in the same position in May that the HD is in now, nobody knew if it was coming here... The HTC Twitter is the only place on all of the internet where it was stated the HD isn't coming to the States.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
That's what I'm saying, it's a great way to be able to respond directly to your consumer base. Apparently what they say doesn't mean anything, though, stepw can find his way around 3G in the Raphael with his eyes closed and 1 hand tied behind his back. All because it's not official.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] viperbjk:
As least we know that for enabling diag mode using AT mode, AMSS has to be patched. The functions themselves do still exist, only the command table (exports) doesn't use them. However, it still didn't work after patching, so I assume there is some lowlevel stuff we still have to find first.

Cya,

Viper BJK