yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] kwoodall:
Here are screenshots of the bottom bar showing - it's consistent. Have you tried TaskFacade on a smartphone or any of the smartphone emulators?

As for the crash, I'll screenshot that when it next happens. Kthxbye

Kermit Woodall

Managing Editor

GadgetNutz.com
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] gps-lover:
oops. that's a bug. don't worry, will fix it tomorrow.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] gps-lover:
no, i didn't, will check it tomorrow. is this only on smarts where you have this bug?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] ytsejam_:
actually, no.. but i think this guy explained the situation better :D

i see it's just a bug and not a feature.. but maybe others may find use of the bug to their liking.. so maybe you can put it as an option too..

thanks for the reply..
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] gps-lover:
:)

give me some time.

tomorrow.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] kwoodall:
I haven't tried it on a touchscreen phone yet - but I will.

BTW...How about using the LSB/RSB button bar to select a task and end a task? Or some key mapped to end a task?

Kermit Woodall

Managing Editor

GadgetNutz.com
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] gps-lover:
to be honest, i couldn't imagine it runs on smarts at all... does it really?

and, btw, maybe you could check it on wm5?

not a problem at all, but let's fix all the bugs first.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] ytsejam_:
that's great.. thanks.. can't wait.. 8)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] gps-lover:
mini-FAQ in the 1st post.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Jiggs1337:
Im getting a lot of Out of memory crashes.

It happens a lot when i click the Task Facade button while using ThumbCal, but has also happened randomly in other apps. Task Facade crashes with an out of memory exception error (i have 90mb free when this happens).

TaskFacade.exe

OutOfMemoryException

at

Microsoft.AGL.Common.Misc.HandleAr(PAL_ERROR ar)

at System etc etc.

i can screenshot it next time if you need more
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] kwoodall:
Runs great. After all there are several task switcher/killers for touchscreen devices but few for smartphones so when yours ran at all that's when I came after you for better functionality.

Wish I could - but none of my phones have WM5 anymore. I'm most fond of my Shadow with 6.1 installed on it, but I also have a Touch Diamond, Touch Pro, Sprint Mogul (upgraded), Cingular 2125 (upgraded) and some others.

What kind of programmer ARE you?! <grin>

Kermit Woodall

Managing Editor

GadgetNutz.com
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] kokok21:
dear GPS-Lover,

your app is runing fine on my kaiser.

i have only problem with igo8 ver54000. i cant see it in task facade when it is in background.

can you investigate the problem?

kokok21
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] htctoucher:
would it be posible to have the selected window to close also fade out as well as have the ico show up on it?

great stuff love this app!

thanks

htctoucher
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] danielem600:
thanks a lot this version works fine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i have only a problem.. i can't kill opren applications from task facade
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] gps-lover:
how do you kill them?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] gps-lover:
2 All

2 All

guys, there are always 2 possibilities when you report a problem:

either I am wrong or you are.

So let's organize it the following way:

- if the problem is obvious, please show your crash report.

- if the situation is not clear, please find the second person with the same problem. Just ask here, if anyone has the same problem or could check your situation. After that I overtake it.

Don't get me wrong - it's not that I'm too lazy or ignorant. It's just that guys living in this thread can easily help you with most of questions.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] gutte:
Thx so much for the new version, its a great sw. It now works fine on my HTC Touch Dual Nordic version.

Have a suggestion for future versions: add a setting "Return to Home screen=" with values 0 - 15 secs that makes TF return the device to the Home screen (or not) if nothing happens after TF window has been in front for a while. It would also be nice to be able to toggle to and from full screen mode.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] venom037:
Just voted here with 5 stars.. great work
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] lastnikita:
Hi mate,

There is still some flickering when switching to the new app, once the animation is done. Not always, but most of the time (with any window).

I hope you can do something to improve this :)

Also, it still crashes (or at least closes) pretty often.

I just reactivated error reporting and will let you know if it displays one !

Cheers
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] venom037:
Hi all, before I install this app can anyone shed some light as to the battery this thing consumes? I mean, as this app auto starts when you reset your device (I have a TP) and I "assume" it doesnt show up in the task manager so its always on.... I'm afraid that it will eat away at my battery all day long..... can someone shed some light on this possibly?

Lastly.... I'm reading that this app crashes with "out of memory" or other reasons from time to time.... I've noticed that its mostly coming from non Touch Pro users.... so can people who use this app on a Touch Pro let me know how stable this app really is, as I think this would be the best info for me?

Thank you and even without installing it yet.... I think its a great concept and excellent work. Its people like you who make this forum worth while and make newbies like me feel welcome. thanks all
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] gps-lover:
new update

3.7.7 /2008-11-05/:

# fix: wakeup feature will work absolutely stable: if you switch it off in the config, it will be switched off when launching Facade next time 100%. So don't be afraid of using it!

# fix: can be installed on WM5 (so far we have 1 (one) lover of antique ) (the problem was in CAB file, not in the program itself)

# default wallpapers in the config.txt changed to be 320x240 (qvga). it seems like most of us are still qvga. vga users please change the settings (change '320x240' to '640x480')

# minor fixes and structural changes
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] gps-lover:
yes, i've rewritten some code. so bugs must exist. and i really lack your crash reports.

please check the new version. and report more often.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] gps-lover:
omg! how can i close the current poll and establish a new one???????
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] lastnikita:
Well, it just happened to close without an error report, when I tried to launch it.

Then I tried again, and it worked fine (but of course the snapshots were black boxes now). Too bad it doesn't give me anything to throw here :(

If I find a way to make it reproducible, I will let you know !

That was with version 3.7.5, will test the last one now
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] kwoodall:
I kept having more memory-related problems. On boot Voice Commander would report not enough memory to start. Booting took ten times longer than normal (like 10 mins vs 1min or something near that). Applications would stop because they ran out of memory.

I spent a lot of time rebooting and narrowing it down and it appears it's TaskFacade. Every other app I run could be taken offline and the problems would still persist but when TaskFacade was removed everything worked normally again with no problems.

Memory leak mebbe?

Kermit Woodall

Managing Editor

GadgetNutz.com
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Jiggs1337:
I am also seeing this. Not as bad as you describe, but I'm getting outofmemoryexception errors as i posted a few posts back.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] giorgosm:
hi there. im testing it on omnia, it runs ok but it doesnt close and apps :). any ideas?

i have netcf 3.5 installed ofc
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] danielem600:
i kill them with wm app manager "Ram" or "memory" and/or a task manager application called "task-manager"
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] ytsejam_:
i think, what gps-lover meant was, How do you kill them using Task Facade?

because you might be doing it wrong in Task Facade, that is why you can't kill applications with it..
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] gps-lover:
i don't see it on my device. i mean, no memory leaks.

please uninstall the facade, then test your device. check memory usage etc.

SKTools give you a good check on memory for each process, incl. not only in a process'es memory, but also in the heap.

if everything is ok, install 3.7.7 and monitor it for some time.

--

regarding your smartphone, yesterday i couldn't manage to run the facade properly on the emulator. but it seems that the bottom bar is the standard element (it has the Start button and stuff like this). please try using it in 3.7.7
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] danielem600:
i'm sorry. i press on the application snapshot an "X" appear but if i pres on "X" i have no effect
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] gps-lover:
please read the FAQ in the 1st post!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] heatd1:
background change?

this is truly a great app.

it gets so much better and "usable" with every release

I want to change the colors o the background but am unsure of the best method

could I just replace the images with one I chose or do I need to stick to the 240x320 image provided and modify it using paint.net (never used it b4)

do I need to cncern myself with the images orientation? will it "stretch"? or reformat itself?

thanx again
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] danielem600:
i'm sorry it 's clear
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] gps-lover:
no problem. glad it's working on your device.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] kwoodall:
The bottom bar is still there in 3.7.7 -- but it is inactive as it's just a visual leftover from whatever the previous screen was before Facade was launched.

Kermit Woodall

Managing Editor

GadgetNutz.com
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Blowfish64:
Hey gps-lover,

This program continues to get better! I especially love the d-pad support! I have two requests for the next release, however. The first is an especially insignificant one but could you please have d-pad movement act when the button is pressed down rather than when it is released? It's not really a big deal but it gives off the appearance of some lag.

The second request is if you could incorporate ApptoDate support into the next version so that we can download it directly onto our phones.

Thanks, and keep up the great work!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] gps-lover:
thanks for your kind words and ideas.

but first of all, we should get rid of all existing problems. and the problem is, i am not sure they exist. at least i have not seen any qualified bug report in the last days.

2 All: guys, please be more active in reporting problems or REPORTING NO PROBLEMS.

i think we should not go further until everybody's happy with the current version.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] ytsejam_:
experienced no major problems so far.. my last requests and bug findings were ironed out smoothly on the 3.7.7 release..

however, i still get some instances of applications/panes not showing their intended screenshots and showing a duplicate screenshot from other panes instead.. i can't much recreate the problem, but during the day, i get as much as 3 instances where a duplicate/wrong snapshot occurs.. i noticed that the affected apps (where a wrong snapshot is displayed) are fullscreen (or can be toggled to fullscreen) apps such as mobipocket ebook and TCPMP (in fullscreen)..

i'm testing it now rigorously and making crazy operations and combinations to make it crash/hang up.. simulating every possible thing a Task Switcher might endure..

with the process, i stumbled upon this bug .. taskfacade often crashes when i try to launch it when the camera is the active application (which i find normal anyway since camera is cpu and ram heavy).. it would launch mommentarily (the Top bar shows TaskFacade) then returns to the camera app.. after that, when i try to launch TaskFacade again, it crashes and hangs my PPC for a while.. but sometimes TaskFacade goes through the camera app and loads up the second try witout crashing. but after a huff of loading task facade, some of the panes/screenshots will not show, though they are still accessible by tapping the invisible screenshots.. one strange thing is Taskfacade will show a screenshot of TaskFacade itself as the screenshot for the camera app..
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] kwoodall:
The memory usage problems are far less now but still mildly there in 3.7.7 - I will get SKtools and try to document more for you on this.

Kermit Woodall

Managing Editor

GadgetNutz.com
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] lastnikita:
The problem is, it won't report anything for the bug I reported, just close..

maybe a debug version could help with that ?

I could also verify that it's not minimized correctly once an app is clicked.

I mean, if you minimized that app, task facade will show up again, while it shouldn't IMHO.

A minor problem: I can't find a way to check which version I'm using right now.

the changelog text file still only has 3.7b1 release notes.

not sure if I'm with 3.7.5 or (more probably) 3.7.7

Cheers !
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Blowfish64:
The only problem I am continuing to experience with this version is the issue of incorrect screenshots. I still think I can guess why it's doing that (it happens to take a screenshot as the program is being minimized) and I still think my solution of having it automatically discard the last screenshot would fix it, but I'm not a programmer, so I don't know for sure that that's the problem.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] gps-lover:
it's 3.7.5 you're using

just download 3.7.7 and install it.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] heatd1:
No Probs Here

had to give up the app before because of leak....much better now

I even added a new background and changed the color of the "titlebar"

so so easy

prefer curent screenshots but it doesn't matter that much 2 me

request:

the tiles be sized according to actual RAM usage or even have an option of displayin the percentage of usage
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] gps-lover:
wow, i'm really impressed: 5% of our users are WM5.

didn't think there will be so many.

guys, is everything ok while using it on WM5?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] gps-lover:
does 'much better' mean 'no leaks' or 'can live with it'?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] gps-lover:
well, we've discussed it before.

your suggestion is unfortunately not implementable. it's just not the way it works.

there is no possibility in WM to know in advance, that another process will be activated. that's why you can not take 'the last snapshot'.

the only thing you can do is to check from time to time, what is the foreground window. if it differs with the one you wrote down before, then it means that the process switch happened. And you should take 'the first snapshot'.

but the fact that the window is foreground does not mean it was drawn completely. it could easily be very slow in self-drawing or not caring at all.

and in this case, you take a snapshot of the previous window.

i've minimized the possibility of taking a wrong snapshot. but it's not possible to eliminate it at all. sorry.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] grigoris_a:
When i run Destinator it doesn't show up in the task manager.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] digara:
Window cannot close properly

Hi, gps-lover.

Great to know the application you've made.

I have installed 3.7.7 in my HTC Touch Pro.

But somehow it always shows "Desktop" pic with Small Box icon (like the app icon). It happen while I use the Call Key hold (one with phone up, I also set it already). Then I try to open "Programs" from Windows Start. Then I close the "Programs". I hold the call key and the "Programs" suddenly appear again.

Is there something problem with Task Facade, WinMo 6.1 or My Touch Pro?

Please help, since somehow it irritating me to see the "desktop" but when I click it, it also open "start" (TouchFlo today).

Thanks.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] kwoodall:
GPS-Lover - if you can't remove the bottom bar at all, how about blanking the button names at least so it doesn't look like it's active?

Kermit Woodall

Managing Editor

GadgetNutz.com
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] synghyn:
gps-lover, good show man, works really nicely now! :D

Incidentally, running on my wing, I don't see the bottom bar at all, maybe that was changed in the newest version 3.7.7, not sure (that's not a problem, just responding to some other mentions of it, it looks better without it since it didn't have the functionality anyway).

D-pad support is good, and I prefer the action on release.

Snapshots are still a little spotty as people have said, but generally if I minimize task facade and then bring it back up all is as it should be. My only request thus far would be some better way to get accurate snapshots, I still like the idea of just using program icons instead of snapshots, but I don't know how easy that would be to add as an option, or how many people would like it anyway. Certainly more than usable as is.

I haven't gotten around to changing background etc as yet, but I'll probably play a bit today.

Again, good job man, thanks for your hard work. I'm probably finally going to ditch my old taskmanager in favor of this now.

Syn
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] bassplaya:
Im running a hermes with wm 6.1 on it evrything runs fine except when i longtap an app on taskfacade an X pops up, i tap on it, but the program doesnt close.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] JKingDev:
When the x appears it means the app will be closed after you switch to something else. You are basically queuing up apps to close.

gps-lover, absolutely fantastic software. Thank you!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] devinc:
I had to uninstall the latest version. It just doesn't seem to play well with others...especially Windows Media Player.

The program would constantly error out if I was playing an MP3 on WMP.

Devin
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] bassplaya:
Thanks and thanks alot gpslover keep up the great work!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] yndurain777:
I had got some problems when i was playing to music, with the manilla 2D on the polaris... i've uninstalled it, i hope wont see this bug on futures versions :D:D
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Blowfish64:
Well, you should probably send an error log if you get one. That'll help narrow things down for the developer.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] gps-lover:
you're welcome!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] chuti98:
3.7.7 report bug

I'm using your app on my omnia but some app show in icon what can i do
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] gps-lover:
Coming Soon

Coming soon:

- Settings panel

- Something more
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] lastnikita:
Cool, can't wait :)

I wish you could avoid flickering !
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Silent_R:
feature request

Hi gps-lover!

i also use your facade - and it's great work!. I'm not sure if anybody already postet these feature-requests (the thread is quite a long one...):

- when you double-tab on a task, so that the information-dialog appears, it would be nice to be able to say "add this task to the banned tasks/windows", so that it's not nessesary to edit the config-file.

- i use the facade on a pocket pc (6.0) and also on a wm 5.0 smartphone (QTEK 8500). Switching the tasks works fine, but ist would be nice to be able to close tasks (by holding the "action-button" on the d-pad oder by typing a special number)

Nice regards

Silent_R
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] gps-lover:
why not create a new thread? i would add its link into the 1st post.

do you have difficulties with the bottom bar on your smartphone, similar to kwoodall's?

makes sense.

but that would be really great if there is a separate thread for requests.

Oder? ;)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Silent_R:
OK, i will start a new thread and post the link here.

There is an inactive bottom bar, if you mean that, yes. As i can't map the facade to a hardware button on my phone, i mapped it as a quick dial entry. When i press and hold the number key, the phone application starts up with a buttom bar with "save" on the left and "menu" on the right. After a second the facade appears, but the bottom bar is still there - but inactive.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Silent_R:
link

here's the link to the "change request" thread:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=445693
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] lastnikita:
+1, would be great
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Blowfish64:
What do you mean by this? If you hold down the action button of the d-pad it DOES close a task. :confused:
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Silent_R:
does it? :confused:

I tried it on my smartphone (QTEK 8500 - WM5) and also on my Pocket PC (HTC Touch Dual - WM6.0). Holding the action button (even for a few seconds) does not close a task on these phones. Perhaps the action button works different on different phones.

Or didn't i see a special entry in the config file? :o
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Blowfish64:
Huh, you know, i could have sworn it did on 3.7.5. Maybe it's a bug now. But yeah, definitely want that back! ;)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Blowfish64:
You know, I was also wondering why the snapshots seem to be wrong so much more often in the latest version. Apparently, Task Facade is not taking snapshots at intervals anymore, even though I have it set to do so in the configuration file every 3 seconds. It only takes one when you call up the TF program. Could you re-fix this for the upcoming release also?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] lbhocky19:
i was looking for how to make programs not show up such as gyrator 2

and in the first post it says a file to go to but that file does not show up in file explorer, im using 3.7.7
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Blowfish64:
New error:

TaskFacade.exe

NullReferenceException

at TaskFacade.VisibleProcess.Process_Exited(Object sender, EventArgs e)

at System.Diagnostics.Process.OnExited()

at System.Diagnostics.Process.RaiseOnExited()

at System.Diagnostics.Process.CompletionCallback(Boolean isTerminated)

at System.Diagnostics.Process.TermWaiter.WaitForTerm()
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] ilordvader:
Can anyone help me set it

to my PTT button on my Fuze Plz

thxs
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] omair2005:
hey i'm running this on the touch. got an error on first run...

but i wanted to know how to map the OK button to bring up task fascade?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] skyhook8:
Running great on my Samsung Epix.

Thank you, thank you.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] gps-lover:
i also have Diamond and use AE Buttons for this. I mapped Facade to the double click of the middle button.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] omair2005:
thanks i was just googling that. Do you have the freeware or plus version?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] JTran307:
I installed Task Fascade v3.7.7 on my Touch Pro and can not figure how to close any open taks. Am I suppose to config something or is there a fix yet? The youtube demo video used the Diamond or TP and they show the tap and hold feature to close any application flawlessly.....well it does not work on mine. Any suggestions??
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] thx1200:
This app looks so cool but it seems plagued by bugs in first five minutes of use.

I switched between a few apps... cool... then hit the hot-key that brings it up and, well, nothing happened. Hit it again and all the screen shots were lost (just showed icons). Apparently it closed for some unknown reason.

Second, I got this when using arrow keys after hitting the facade hotkey...

TaskFacade.exe

NullReferenceException

at TaskFacade.Tile.keyboard_KeyUp(Object sender, KeyEventArgs e)

at System.Windows.Forms.Control.OnKeyUp(KeyEventArgs e)

at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WnProc(WM wm, Int32 wParam, Int32 lParam)

at System.Windows.Forms.Control._InternalWnProc(WM wm, Int32 wParam, Int32 lParam)

at Microsoft.AGL.Forms.EVL.EnterMainLoop(IntPtr hwnMain)

at System.Windows.Forms.Application.Run(Form fm)

at TaskFacade.Program.Main()

After that error, I hit quit on the exception dialog, my system froze and I had to soft reset.

Running Touch Pro (Sprint).

Man when it's working it's SO SLICK! I hope it gets more stable soon...