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[FYT Android Head Units] surfer63:
They are both FYT based units. Rooting should be 100% identical.

There is no 5g wifi. There is the new 5G mobile network and there is 5 GHz wifi (or 2.4 GHz wifi).

Both do NOT support 5G, and both do have 5 GHz wifi.

Like said: both are produced by FYT including the Android layer and builtin apps. T'eyes and NaviFly are only resellers where T'eyes probably has by far the best support and most probably the better quality control, but is also more expensive.

Those resellers only vary in 2/32GB vs. 4/64GB, DSP or no DSP, STN or IPS or QLED displays, with or without 4G.

Note: the QLED screen is new and theoretically better than IPS (which is again better than STN)
[FYT Android Head Units] dillyoee:
Thank you so much for your help.

I'm still a tad confused though.

It would appear that the navifly supports 5ghz wifi.

And from my understanding using android auto wireless with my pixel 3 needs 5ghz wifi support.

I don't believe the teyes can do this.

Is this correct? Sorry pretty noob here just asking questions.
[FYT Android Head Units] surfer63:
Take a look at the Teyes website https://cc3.teyes.ru/

and read the Teyes CC3 topic. All things you ask are mentioned there already in the first post. Do some searching and reading!
[FYT Android Head Units] dillyoee:
Can I use my pixel 3 for android auto wirelessly with both units ?
[FYT Android Head Units] Denzis1:
Is it possible to flash the teyes software on the navifly?
[FYT Android Head Units] surfer63:
Not right away. The T'eyes firmware comes with builtin registration routines to make sure it is a T'eyes unit. Same for T'eyes voice. They deactivate Google Assistant, but you can only use T'eyes voice if you register with T'eyes. That will not work with a NaviFly.

It requires quite some (illegal) hacking of the firmware.

If you really want to go forward with this you need to follow the 4pda forum threads.
[FYT Android Head Units] Denzis1:
Hmm. I really dig the software. Problem is there is no eu shipping only directly from china or russia.. is it possible to activate google assistant in the software
[FYT Android Head Units] surfer63:
Yes, but it is disabled again on every restart. I used the CC2 software on my Joying sc9853i and enabled GoogleAssistant again (and again and again) using a "boot script" that started with 30 seconds delay. Next to that: all voice "actions" are directed to T'eyes voice which is hugely annoying. Even with GoogleAssistant it is still hugely crippled as T'eyes defaults in everything to T'eyes voice

Also: It is really a demotivation strategy from T'eyes as you can't use any voice software (without hacks), even not T'eyes voice itself, if you did not activate T'eyes voice either. T'eyes is another supplier that does closed-source, protective actions on their hardware. Something many people blamed Fyt/Joying for. T'eyes even takes it a step further. But they do deliver a nicer looking product with good support. And they need to feed their family as well.

So I reflashed my Joying firmware again to my Joying unit.

I use CarWebGuru (paid) as launcher, GorillaSoft folder music player pro for music, Magic Earth (90%) and OsmAnd+ (10%) for navigation, and DAB-Z for (DAB) radio. I hardly even see the other software behind it and even removed some. Why would I install good looking radio, music, video apps if I don't use them anyway. And I don't see added benefit of T'eyes voice over Google Assistant, be it that Google Assistant does not make calls on my Joying unit.

Everyone should decide for him/herself, but don't cripple you unit only for good looks. But that's my point of view and you can decide for yourself.
[FYT Android Head Units] ludditefornow:
Hi Surfer, would you mind sharing your boot script, please. I would like to play around with it. I have purchased a Navifly 7862 unit for my Kia Sportage and would like to see what can be achieved.
[FYT Android Head Units] ludditefornow:
What are people's thoughts about the Navifly? There is not a lot of discussion about their particular implementation of the 7862 units. I ordered on yesterday and have just been advised that there will be a 12 day delay. This might actually be for the CANBUS rather than the head unit, though.

My car has multiple radio fascia options and only Navifly seem confident that they have my required fascia and their photos seem to show it.

I am curious to know if they cripple Android Assistant like Teyes does. I see you purchase a Navifly voice assistant so I assume that is the case. But that is not a deal breaker for me. I don't use Google Assistant currently.

Should there be a specific thread for the Navifly 7862 to be sure the Teyes thread doesn't get muddled?
[FYT Android Head Units] bluemask69:
@surfer63 compared to the PX5 MTCE i have now, there is equal stability in the basic software (especially google play) and in the management of radio, gps, audio? I am interested in a Navifly 7862 that has an affordable price, in particular I would buy it for the optical and coaxial outputs it has, i want to connect it directly to my Audison AP8.9 . Thanks for answer
[FYT Android Head Units] surfer63:
Yes, they do. It seems to be the new FYT strategy.
[FYT Android Head Units] surfer63:
You ask me , but I really don't know what it is compared to an mtce. I don't have an mtce. But I assume the basic software is all equal. Note thhought that until now the RDS-AF does not function correctly on FYT units. I guess the Chinese programmers translated the English specifications incorrectly.

And I am a basic audio listener. My unit is simply connected to my very simple car audio: two front speakers and 2 front tweeters.
[FYT Android Head Units] bluemask69:
is there firmware support from Navifly?

Thanks @surfer63...how is the firmware support from Navifly?

Does it release updates of fw and mcu and where is possible to find it?

Do you think it is a reliable radio?
[FYT Android Head Units] surfer63:
Reliabilty is not the strongest selling point of any of those Chinese units.

I guess they are more or less basically the same for any manufacturer over the several resellers: FYT as manufacturer in this case.

I also guess that the "mini"-assembly the resellers do, like TN/IPS/QLED screens can differ, but not so much.

The greatest difference could be in support: service desk, firmwares, broken parts, etc.

And I really have no clue there about Navifly.

As I don't have a Navifly I did not look at all for their firmware. And for that matter: Neither for firmware from Kingsbeat, Navifly, Zhan, etc.

And when it comes to firmware: All FYT compatibles on the same CPU, with/without DSP, in the same aspect ratio* can, with some tweaks, run each others firmware.

Now with the new models and new firmwares having protection in the apks, coupled to the MCU it gets more difficult.

*: not resolution, but aspect ratio: FYTs screen layouts in the apks are terribly old-fashioned and fixed: 1024x600 / 1280x730 =>16:9; Other layouts like 1280x480 or "Tesla style" really require a different firmware. FYT currently can only accomodate the several resolutions if the screen has the same aspect ratio. That is also one of the reasons the FYT apps themselves do not support split-screen. A feature they so much like to advertize, but doesn't work for their own apps. A few new developed apps do support this finally.
[FYT Android Head Units] bluemask69:
so..i decided to buy this Navifly CC3 HU on Aliexpress, the price is much lower than Teyes CC3 . Navifly ship the CC3 from Germany , Teyes ship only from China ...with customs duties.
[FYT Android Head Units] ludditefornow:
Nice, I am very happy with mine. The navifly does not seem to have all restrictions that I am hearing from other units. But it does have some restrictions.

From China to Australia, mine landed on business Day 5 or 6.
[FYT Android Head Units] surfer63:
Now, please broaden our knowledge ;)

It would be nice to know what these restrictions are.
[FYT Android Head Units] ludditefornow:
Well I am making phone calls with Google assistant. Originally when I tried to voice dial, I was getting an error along the lines of "I don't know how to do that yet"

I had never used Google Assistant so I thought nothing of it. However, I later found access to default Android system settings and saw the option for two dialers. I changed the default dialer and then again thought nothing of it. at the same time I removed a few permissions from some software that was adding dodgy overlays on my screen. They were irritating so I wanted them gone.

A few days later I tried assistant to request a destination for Google Maps. It worked, so I then tried a phone call and to my suprise it worked.

I still don't use it much but it was mildly interesting as I had heard that the bigger resellers crippled a dialling and a few other things.

If it is important, I will try to recall exactly what I did. I feel it is permanent as I have had the unit reboot a few times since and I haven't needed to modify any settings.
[FYT Android Head Units] DOB999:
Do you recall what software that was?

I have a grey robot button and an info button overlay, none of them does anything when pushing them, and I can’t find any settings/permissions to remove/disable them.
[FYT Android Head Units] ludditefornow:
I think the software was TZX or TYZ or similar. It was only three letters.

The dodgy robot and "i" button seem to be associated to that software. It might be the Navifly voice activation or similar. Turn off the permissions for that software to allow overlays and those things disappear.
[FYT Android Head Units] Flensburger:
It is an other unit, but maybe it helps choosing which one to order:

I bought a Teyes CC2 for a German Mercedes Benz C204 from 2009 (C180).

Product got stuck in the customs, very possible because of the big (and good) package. Cost extra money for the customs, but my problem.

The radio itself: Hardware looks OK, Cables are good, easy to install.

CAN-BUS-Decoder: in the first trials it did not receive any of the signals of the car. I wrote a message to Teyes and they responded the next day via WhatsApp. I was then sitting in the car, doing what I was told to. The guy sent me new config files to implement. The guy had obviously a lot of time, we were working on two days several hours. Again, thanks to the serve guy. During this process the radio got working in parts. It now can receive the contact from the steering wheel, so it is possible to adjust volume from steering wheel. But: No reception from all other sensors!!!!! No Jog Dial (the knob you can turn and prss in the middle console), no reverse shift, no door opening, nothing! The service guy offered me to send an new CAN-Decoder from china. Therfore I had to pay 1$ for shipping. The new Decoder arrived, it’s the same as the first one, and it does the same. So, no change in reception of the other sensors. Very bad!! I don’t use the rear camera, but it certainly would not work, as it doesn’t know when the revers shift would be in.

GPS reception: Also not good. It is working, sometimes takes several minutes to find satellites. I used GPS Test from App store to check. Only a few satellites in comparison with my Xiaomi Poco X3.

Radio reception: on FM extremely bad. I thought I had used the wrong Cable from the car (car has 3 Antennas). I checked, but other connectors wouldn’t fit. So I bought a external Antenna. Reception still is very bad. Seems the radio does not have a AGC to adjust the signal (or I don’t know how to switch that on). Also the th radio does not switch frequency when you leave the transmitting area an approach the next one. I don’t know if this isn’t standard in other countries, but in Germany all radios go to the next frequency while driving to the next transmitting area. So all in all the radio is not usable at all.

WiFi: Worse as well!!! If you put on a hotspot with your mobile inside the car, it is OK. But I have a hotspot about 4 meters away from the place the car is parked. You get almost no reception!!

OS and CPU: For me the gui of the radio is not very nice. Half of the screen is used to show a picture of a car with the driven speed if the GPS has reception. Waste of space on the display. For starting google maps it takes several seconds, very slow compared to any modern mobile phone.

Summerize: Don’t waste your money buying this radio!!!!! I buy a lot of stuff from china, but this radio was the biggest disappointment I had with things from china!
[FYT Android Head Units] ludditefornow:
Here is a link to the specs for my Navifly 7862 unit if anyone is interested.

https://xdaforums.com/t/medeke-navifly-7862.4248969/post-84681347
[FYT Android Head Units] COASTER19:
I was ready to buy a similar unit to upgrade mine as well, but Navifly confirmed that they have no ROMs available. I assume one would need to mess with firmware in order to not kill apps during sleep like on previous FYT units, so having no clean rom to flash is a deal breaker.

It's a shame the PX6 is paired with such poor quality flash and cooling, it completely ruins the experience even at 600p. 32 bit apps + Hal9k V4 + sleep mods can make it usable, but google maps still lags a lot when searching. I'm tempted to buy this anyway considering Teyes limitations (especially if I can replace my PX6 screen with the HD qled if all else fails), but fear it could just be an expensive paperweight.

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[FYT Android Head Units] ludditefornow:
I'm not familar with other models or any other units. This is the first I have ever had. I am not 100% sure on what you are refering to in regard to not killing apps.

But the way I have mine set up is that if I had apps running when I turn off the vehicle, they are still available if I were to turn the vehicle on again in an hour's time.

If it was playing when I turned off the vehicle, the MP3 player does not auto play after the car is turned back on, but the radio does.

At some stage after about 24 hours (not sure yet), the units ends sleep and shuts down. It will then cold boot.

One issue with the stock ROM that I have found is that when using the radio and navigation, when voice directions happen, the radio volume drops as I have set it to, but no voice nav is heard. It is only the radio app that causes this. All other music player apps, drop volume and voice can be heard.

If you have any specific questions, give me your direct instructions and I will be happy to give you the results if you like.
[FYT Android Head Units] surfer63:
You just have to get some data from your unit (which is described at least 20 times by now in all kind of posts) and then you can flash the Navifly also with a T'eyes or Joying firmware.

Which PX6? There is no "the PX6 is paired with such poor quality flash and cooling, it completely ruins the experience even at 600p"

And what do you even mean with 600p? Do you mean 1024x600, like mentioning a movie is 480p or 720p or 1080p, depending on the vertical resolution?

I have a FYT unit myself (and only had FYT units), but there are many, many users having a PX6 being completely satisfied with it without having your issues.

What's more: I might go for a PX6 or its successor in the MTCD/E or STM32 boards, just to get rid of the now sold voice assistance on the FYT models in only a few languages, at the same time completely blocking Google Assistant. That blocking of other software than your own is not even allowed by law all over the world, but the Chinese simply do it, and the Russians (T'eyes) and Australians (Téyes Australia) simply seem to follow it. Unbelievable.

(For those that do not know what I mean: Think of non-microsoft browsers on Windows, or non-apple browsers on the Mac)
[FYT Android Head Units] ludditefornow:
I'm not sure about the full extent of the crippling of assistant, but I can click on the mic button in Google maps or Waze and say "go to....." And maps starts a trip.

I can also add a stop and things like that . I have no need for anything else much.

Voice phone dialing was handled with app from app store.

What else do you use it for? I can try it
[FYT Android Head Units] simonsxda:
Looking at the CC3 vs the Navifly. I love the Teyes interface but I can't find much information of a few key features.

Does the Teyes CC3 have Apple Carplay?

Does the Teyes CC3 support DAB radio like the Navifly?

I'd much prefer the Teyes UI interface but the Navifly seems to support all the features I want.

Can the Navifly software be changed to look like the Teyes CC3 interface?

Keen to hear people's thoughts on what is best. @ludditefornow, How are you finding the Navifly?

Thanks
[FYT Android Head Units] ludditefornow:
Made a quick video showing Android Assistant working and boot time etc.

https://youtu.be/c5YUJ-yKelg
[FYT Android Head Units] simonsxda:
Thanks for sharing! Boot time looked pretty quick.

I contacted the Navifly store about a Lancer 2010 and they said the screen only fits LHD but I need RHD. Wonder if I just buy the kit and also buy a RHD double din adapter. Would that work? Is your car RHD?
[FYT Android Head Units] ludditefornow:
I imagine that the fascia surround is not symmetrical like you said. Buy a fascia for a the and it should be workable.

The screw holes to mount the radio to the fascia may be different on the RHS fascia.. not sure but it would be a simple enough fix to mount it I'd think.
[FYT Android Head Units] simonsxda:
I'm struggling to find a right-hand side/drive fascia that would fit a 10.2inch screen. Most of the aftermarket fascia's are for double din only.

Teyes CC3 have an Australian .com.au store so I can only assume, they sell a RHD version on https://www.teyes.com.au/. I've emailed Teyes to confirm and waiting on a response.

Unless Navifly are wrong and that the fascia for the Lancer 2010 is the same for LHD and RHD? No idea, really, but given Navifly's answer, I'll just have to spend the extra cash on the Teyes CC3.
[FYT Android Head Units] ludditefornow:
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If that is the fascia for your dash they look symmetrical to me. My facsia was for LHD and my car is RHD. There was about 3mm off fitting perfectly. The right side is too recessed. When I add my new USB extension, I am just going to use a few thin washer shims to pack out the side that is not flush.

I would assume that all of these radio resellers use either the same fascia manufacturer or same few manufacturers.

You may like to check your dash and if the OEM fascia and radio area seem symmetrical, then it probably is.
[FYT Android Head Units] simonsxda:
Thanks for sharing these.

I've checked with Navifly via Aliexpress and they keep saying the fascia is not compatible with RHD. I think if Teyes confirm the CC3 is right-hand drive compatible, I will just go with them.
[FYT Android Head Units] ludditefornow:
Is your dash symmetrical or not? You can eyeball that? You need to understand that the people on Aliexpress that you are dealing with speak either Cantonese or Mandarin. Many probably don't speak english at all and use an online translator.

Take a step back and see it from their point of view. If they don't fully understand a question and answer it wrong, they get a barrage of emails, messages and hate through Whatsapp from Westerners with a totally different concept of culture and day to day common decency.

Remember that you contacting a seller on Ali Express is akin to a Chinese person, typing in their local dialect, to the average American seller on Ebay.com. How do you think the potential buyer would be responded to?

Help yourself to help them. Do a bit of research. If you can't eyeball the difference in what looks like a symmetrical fascia on your OEM radio, you will be okay.

The people who respond to you on AliExpress have probably never even touched one of these generic head units - never mind looked at your specific fascia.

They probably use a generic answer of "It is made for LHD" to cover all worst case scenarios such as when the units are angled and there needs to be a specific left of right fascia that are not symmetrical. That way they are covered for the endless abuse. What it really means is "we only have one fascia. If yours is symmetrical, it will work. If yours is clearly not symmetrical, we can't help you"

Use your good sense and check for yourself.
[FYT Android Head Units] simonsxda:
Yup I completely understand that and of course, I’ll be patient in finding the answer.

Yes, to me the dash does look symmetrical. But I’m saying that, Navifly had a clear response saying it won’t fit. They even supplied a screen shot. See image attached.

In saying that, I did find a video online of a “Chinese” android unit being installed in a RHD and the fascia looks exactly the same.

I think the other reason I’d prefer the Teyes CC3 is not just the fascia issue but because I much prefer the UI design and features. I know I could use a launcher but I actually really like the Teyes design.

I’m currently asking Teyes some presale questions in their Teyes Australia post.

Post in thread 'TEYES Australia'

https://xdaforums.com/t/teyes-australia.4240385/post-84722455
[FYT Android Head Units] ludditefornow:
I'm not trying to sell you anything and particulary not trying to sell you a particular unit. I am attempting to assist you.

If you have a particular choice in software, that is great. I am trying to remove the issue of the fascia.

You said you understood but then again referred to the response from Navifly stating it wouldn't fit.

Use logic. If something is symmetrical how can it not fit? Occam's razor tells us that maybe Navifly respond generically with the response they did when people ask the question you did.

Please don't take this as rude because it is not meant to be in any way. But if you are not seeing the logic I am attempting to express to you, then I feel you really will struggle in trying to make a head unit like this work. I suggest you don't buy one and go for a name brand Sony, Kenwood or whatever.
[FYT Android Head Units] simonsxda:
I do see the logic, I probably should have said that in my last post. I’m pretty sure the Navifly would fit given the dash looks symmetrical and especially since the video attached looks exactly the same for RHD.

it’s now just boiling down to software.

Thanks.
[FYT Android Head Units] Allan_Hun:
Thanks for sharing this video. I want to upgrade my painfully slow 1/16gb unit with the navifly 128/6gb qled.

I'm REALLY looking forward to the speed + 3 x USB, optical audio output, internal storage for my flac files and a better screen :-)

I would also like to make calls using voice commands.

Did you purchase navifly's voice software or did you manage to get calls by voice working without navifly's voice software?

I don't mind paying 10$ for the voice software but would prefer to use google assistant if that is possible....