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[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Raspster:
I'm not sure what is labeled on the splash screen for the at&t ROM's that are floating around the forum but the one on the Fuze says not for sale, demo unit under the Touch Pro title logo. Also, lets say this ROM WILL enable 3g, how will we get past the keyboard issue US vs Unlocked. I guess someone will need to make a CAB to re-assign the keys..?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] nitroproductions:
Rapster, I think the main thing that everyone here have been waiting (anxiously for a long time now) is to see if the 3G funcationality of the fuze will work on the european phones once they have been loaded on there. As for keyboard language, i believe it should just be a registry change as it was with older HTC phones. there are a loooot off very eager ppl waiting for this dump. Thanks for helping out with it. Let us know whats goin on.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Raspster:
NP, I did sell the phone for the cost that I paid for it. The new user will have it this weekend and he will get the ball rollin on testing this unit to find out what makes it tick. I would have helped with it myself but I have alot going on right now with work and home that will not allow me to do this. My main concern is to get this working with 3g on ALL TOUCH PRO'S. It will now be a matter of time before we get some answers.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] someara:
small problem

OK, the phone came (way cool) but there is a small problem.

Bascially, I worked on it all night long and couldn't get 3g to work. That is until my wife came home, with her 3g iPhone. When I looked at the iPhone I noticed that she didn't have 3g either. So.... we are in a non-3g area.

Relax though, I am heading to a 3g area today and will give more details once I'm there.

OH, also... I have a 4 year old sim card and Cingular has advised me to replace it with a 3g card if I wanted to get on 3g.

So, more to come.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mrvanx:
Yer generally for 3G service you need a new SIM card (aka USIM) i think a 4 year old sim card would probably not have the 3G keys on it.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] erikjonpeterson:
I think you could use your wifes 3g sim card from the iphone in the touch pro when you get to a 3g coverage area to confirm 3g. Of course, the touch pro would then be on her account and phone number.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] McHale:
I doubt you'll have to change SIM cards to get 3G with AT&T. I have a Kaiser with a Cingular SIM that's pretty old (there's no 3G logo on it) and I get 3G no problem...

-Mc
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] GlobalM3:
You must have a USIM and the old cards are not 3g sim cards.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mallman:
same here for my kaiser
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] anandoc:
Looks like AT&T is getting ready to let this puppy loose in US:

http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/05/atandt-page-confirms-htc-touch-pro-as-fuze/
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mallman:
good, now lets just get that ROM and get my 3G working :D
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] moisesz:
any expected timeframe when the radio will be extracted from the fuze?. thanks
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] HTCFAN0923:
1 thing to think about and I thought some of you would bring this up. WHY in the World would HTC make a INFERIOR Unlocked Touch Pro and make the AT&T Fuze the Superior Device?!?! As having worked for AT&T in the past, I knew for a FACT that AT&T pushes it's HTC device series as always being able to be used all over the world. So I always knew that AT&T's Version would be QuadBand GSM, Triband HSDPA. My question is now this: What does HTC gain my making the Touch Pro a Quad Band GSM, Dual Band HSDPA (900/2100) or (850/1900)?? My answer is that there is a Tri-band version but I doubt the Touch Pro has 4 3G Bands in it as NO one has made a Quad Band HSDPA device yet and it's quite hard to do at this point. So there are a few conclusions I have for all of you

#1. as a Fan, let's hope the Touch Pro can be be the first Quadband HSDPA device.

#2. There are two Touch Pros. 1 of the mis Triband HSDPA for Europe/Australia (850/900/2100) with some U.S. compatiblity) and 1 version which is based on the HTC Fuze (850/1900/2100)

#3. The Touch Pro will be a Dual Band HSDPA Device. International version will have 900/2100, Australia will have 850/2100 and the U.S. Unlocked Touch Pro will be 850/1900 so as not to supercede the HTC Fuze for AT&T.

I don't say this to discourage anybody as I'm a huge HTC Fan, in particular as a member of this forum, on howard and a fan of GSM technology but we r gonna have to realize that one of those 3 outcomes will be true.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] someara:
Update

OK,

Went to the local AT&T store to upgrade my card to 3G. Everyone drooled over the Touch Pro!

The guy was very helpful, showed me where to go to get a 3G signal and swapped the sim card for me.

He said, that I might have to unlock the sim in order for it to work. (he admitted he had never worked with a non-AT&T phone before but was anxious to find out)

After installing the new sim, I went to the location he told me about and no luck. Now, my wife wasn't with me so I couldn't confirm that the area had 3G, but according to the guy, it should have.

Question, are there any specific settings for 3g oter than just the generic Media Net?

Looking for a way to unlock the sim. More to come as I try and figure this out.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] stpete111:
That's a circular reference. Engadget got that info from this forum.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] anandoc:
If you care to click the "read" link on that post, it will take you to the Google cache of an official ATT page with the HTC Fuze listing. URL below for your convenience:

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cach...ireless.att.com+fuze&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mallman:
just had to add these are great points. very curious
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ccrcreations:
How about this from The Boy Genius in Australia that states that the HTC Touch Pro there has Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE, dual-band UMTS/HSDPA (900MHz/2100MHz or 850MHz/1900MHz). That means it would work at 3G speeds with AT&T in the US.

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/08/21/htc-touch-pro-hands-on/
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] stpete111:
Which was discovered here. Doesn't matter anyway, this page has been being talked about here on these forums since early last week. Your reference is late. Read the forums before posting.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] tack9204:
Confirmed 850MHz radio coming in AUS

To whomever may be interested. I have confirmed via Email today (08/09/08) with a response from Techoni Mobile Phones that they expect to be able to ship the Touch Pro around the 2nd October with the WCDMA 850MHz band active for Telstra's Next G (3.5) network as an official Telstra Authoirsed phone.

"Yes the HTC Touch Pro is a Telstra stock and will carry the Next G software."

Surely you blokes won't be too far away from getting it in the USA. However if you don't have it by then, I have pre-ordered the phone and will be happy to extract whatever is needed under the instruction of one of the moderators/chefs without question.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ausbj:
US 3G is possible

I already have the US 3G version working. Just waiting to do some testing and will extract whatever i'm asked, under instruction
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] erikjonpeterson:
Is this the prelease FUZE that Black had? Didn't he already extract the radio and ROM for XDA? I am so confused!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] McHale:
I thought he hadn't extracted it because it had been available on XDA already. In fact, I'm like 99% positive that's the case. We have two different Fuze pre-release ROMS on here (one of which Black's was running). Why re-dump unless it's newer than we have?

-Mc
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] stpete111:
What hardware do you have... RAPH100 or RAPH110? (you'll find it under the battery).

What version radio are you using?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] anandoc:
Apparently the North American HTC Fuze is called RAPH101 as evident from the sticker displayed on the FCC site:

http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/...rame=N&application_id=271430&fcc_id='NM8RPLT'
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] someara:
OMG!!!

OK,

For a split second a minute ago, I saw the E change to a G on the title bar of my phone. It lasted all of 20 seconds before I realized what was going on.

Still troubleshooting, more to come soon.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jcrompton:
False alarm - that is when the the phone drops out of Edge and into plain old GSM

3G will show a 3G or an H (for HSPDA)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ausbj:
Raph110

Raph110 is the model I have, as well as the 100 (but the 100 isnt 3G yet)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ausbj:
radio

radio is 1.01.25.16

Rom: 1.65.502.3
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] anandoc:
Not sure if this has been discussed in the forums before, but Engadget confirms that BestBuy is going to carry the NA 3G version of the Diamond. I guess the official 3G version (or ROM) for the Raphael (not talking Fuze here) cant be that far!

http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/09/best-buys-unlocked-htc-diamond-is-confirmed-3g/
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] helraiser:
Wish I'd seen this thread ahead of time. Just got my phone today and sure enough, doesn't do 3G. Here's hoping you guys can get it working or else I'm out over a cool G.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] technillion:
Invoke "plan B"

Many of us feel your pain...and are praying...and are sending money to the CHEFS!

But my plan B is, if it turns out to be conclusive that the EU TP doesn't do 3G in the US and that our ONLY option for 3G is the FUZE, I'll probably pick one up, load a new ROM on it and dump my EU TP on eBay.

Of course, I really love the keyboard layout on the EU version but I may have to sacrifice the keyboard since I absolutely must have 3G speed for tethering.

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[Touch Pro, Fuze General] helraiser:
Yup, that's my plan too. I donated to support the cause but if it's not doable then like you ebay and go plop some more money on another and take the loss :(

if only this were the stock market it'd be all good.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] stpete111:
That explains why you are getting 3G. The RAPH110 gets 3G in the US. The RAPH100 (what most people here have) does not.

Where did you buy your phone?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mallman:
so i think i know the answer to this but do we know if there is a differenc ein hardware between the 110 and the 100? I assume the answer is we dont know hehe
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ez345:
id assume there would be a difference...why else would they give it a different name?? i know of at least one change (removal of front facing camera), however we are hoping that this is the only diffence
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mickeyace:
3g I hope so Very Sad!!

I received my new Touch Pro, that the joker who sold it assured me that it would work with 3g service. Well I tried it out and I have Edge as all of you do and it really sucks. Couple questions: What do the experts on here think? Is the PRO going to be able to use 3g or the early adopters screwed. Also looking at the box tonight it shows Network info as follows. HSPA/WCDMA: 900/2100MHZ Quad band GSM/GPRS/Edge 850/900/1800/1900MHZ. I thought these were the proper radio for 3g access? What do I know though. Can someone that knows more than me tell me if there is a possibility of making the 3g work in the future when radio can be changed. Thank you for any info. :(
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] iboogey99:
all of usa users who at&t got screwed for basically over 950 usd and the sellers knew it didn't work on 3g.they said somethling like in certain areas of the us it wouldn't work.most of us assumed rural areas.but its not compatiable at all and i got screwed over for a half ass phone.

really leaning toward making this my last htc purchase for such a heafty price tag,and there are always some type of major bug with there phones when the price is huge at release.should be flawless for 950 usd
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] fhsieh:
$950 is for the unlocked carrier-less phone. Can't really blame HTC for AT&T's own problems or incompatabilities. If you had bought a locked/subsidized phone and had no 3G reception then it would be a different story. Caveat emptor.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] elwuero:
I too am disappointed but nobody told you to buy a phone that was not intended for the US. You cant blame HTC - the Pro and Diamond have not been released in the US yet. Look at their web site and select US and you wont see either phone. My guess is only because they get paid by our lovely carriers to not release an unlocked US version until they have their own version out to not mess up sales. If you want to be upset with anyone its the online retailers that sell phones intended for the UK or Asia here in the US and try and make us believe they will work properly. We pay so much because we are stupid (me included).
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] doctajay:
as much as I want the AT&T Fuze, the Touch HD might make me wait a little longer to see how it pans out: http://www.modaco.com/content/pocket-pc-professional-news/272214/introducing-the-htc-touch-hd/. I can keep my tilt if I want the keyboard, but the screen on that HD is amazing. I wonder how the HD's screen would compare to the Touch Pro's screen?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] th1nm1nt:
I knew going into this phone I wouldn't have 3G in the US...but I only need 3G for 5-10% of what I use the device for. I paid $1100 a piece (bought two), and don't regret it at all. The faster processor, the user interface, and quality of the phone have justified the cost. In the last 30 days, I find myself being able to multi-task much easier than with my previous devices. I also find myself needing to do a soft-reset a lot less. No 3G does suck, but compared to the functionality of its US counterparts (yes, including the IPhone), this phone was the best purchase I've made in a long while.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mickeyace:
Hey didnt want to start all the complaints here. I am just curious do the Chefs think they can make this 3g work. Also what about Diamond I heard it now has 3g working. True? False? If that works now than I can wait for this to get fixed. I love the phone but cant afford to miss calls if my phone is checking mail for me. My phone is my business and missed calls is lost money, no matter how great the phone is I cant afford that.

What is the possibility the radio for 3g can be turned on or is it simple not in the phone? Would they really opt not to make the phone with 3g? Wouldnt it be cheaper more efficient to make one phone for everyone in the world than turn on or off items as necessary for different parts of the world.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] someara:
Stupid Question

OK,

This doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

My Touch Pro is a Quad Band Version. I am able to connect via 850 and 1900. Also, I'm able to access the Internet via the Edge network.

My question is... since I can access the frequencies that 3g uses, why am I not able to get onto 3g? Is there something to this that I'm missing?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] y2whisper:
edge 850 and 3g 850 are different and require different hardware

Yeah there was a risk in getting the first models, but just relax for now at least until the fuze is released, where we can determine if this is a dead end and we need to start looking at selling our devices.

as for getting a flawless device at $900-$1000 yeah sure that would be nice but there are multiple devices around that price point, each with good and bad, heck the kaiser was around that price point as well. My tips to the disappointed (which may end up including me) in the future show more patience
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mallman:
what is patience????????? :p
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] technillion:
Yeah really!!

...waiting for patience doesn't work for me! :D

...still NO REGRETS with buying this device. It has just changed the way I use it. Now I look for more wifi signals and do big downloads (RSS feeds, movies, etc.) while syncing or charging.

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[Touch Pro, Fuze General] y2whisper:
if i didn't just get the 6gb data plan from rogers i probably wouldn't care either, before that i only had 10mb to play with so speed didn't really matter. The good thing about buying the device overall is that u get to see how the other features meet your needs which can help you figure out what to do should things not go our way (knocks on wood)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mickeyace:
Recieve calls while on internet.

I can probably live with the edge service for now. Maybe they will figure out a way to fix it. My real problem is that if I am on the internet or checking mail and a customer calls it may go to voice mail instead of ringing through. Is there a way to force the call through. I dont care if I get disconnected from the internet. I want the call. I use my phone to conduct business and a new customer may call someone else if I dont answer the phone. Any help would be great. Thank you
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] matchtrader:
Hmmm, this is strange behaviour. My TP does not do this and none of the other windows mobile (or for that matter blackberry or palm devices) I have owned have ever done this. I certainly can't check email or surf the net while on the call, but I have never missed a call due to the internet connection blocking an incoming phone call. I wonder if there isn't a problem with your device or one of the apps you are using?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] matchtrader:
When I really think about it, the principal reason I want 3G working is because it bugs me to have a device that doesn't have the latest and greatest specs. Although the greater net speed would be nice, for most of my frequently used apps (email and PIM functions as well as GPS primarily), 3G is really not necessary, except for the odd time I have to download a big attachment. The battery drain I experienced on old Tilt when using 3G mostly kept me from using it anyhow.

That said, I am still rooting for the wizzards around here to figure this one out, or for HTC to release a patch to permit NA 3G.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] technillion:
I hear ya...

..and what's really ironic is that so many other worldwide owners of this phone are trying to figure out how to DISABLE 3G to save battery life!! :eek:

OH TO HAVE SUCH PROBLEMS!!!

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[Touch Pro, Fuze General] y2whisper:
hahahaha i saw that too, its like seeing P Diddy complain about jet fuel prices (wait you have a jet?!!!)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mallman:
lmao, good point
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Raspster:
No progress on this yet huh? I know there are a few Fuze's running around and I know they say they have the same ROM's as ones already floating around but did we even try to extract them and try on an unlocked touch pro?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mixmaven:
from: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=420586

-US 3G Progress:

Working with the ATT Fuze device and the standard touch pros we have deduced that it is not as simple as just replacing the NV items on the touch pro with those from the fuze, some extra calibration is needed to make it work correctly (unless it is really not supported in hardware). Progress is continuing with the issue so dont sell your touch pros just yet.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] gatordent:
very exciting

so am i to understand that u have it working, but u r working on fine tuning? i am in germany for 7 more days and if ir looks hopeful plz let us know ASAP id like ro pick one up before heading back to the States. thnx
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] McHale:
I know you want one REALLY bad, but I'd wait. If you buy it and it NEVER gets 3G in the US, will you be OK with that or would you rather to wait probably LESS THAN A MONTH for the Fuze? My AT&T rep said the current Windows Mobiles devices are going to be free (I think he said starting on September 16th) in preparations for the Fuze's launch.

I'm not saying the European version will never get the US 3G frequencies, but there's a good chance it won't and I don't think a hasty decision at that kind of dollar amount is worth the risk.

-Mc
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] cmonex:
no. at least not yet.

what we've managed to do is dump all NV items from a Fuze (thanks ausbj), and putting them back on an european raphael. NV items setup the allowed bands etc. anyway, but no 3G yet. we know there is some calibration data stored somewhere too, so that may be the issue. either that or no 3G in HW but the latter I still find unlikely.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] cmonex:
we were never interested in dumping the radio firmware itself. NV items were of more interest. (note it isn't an easy task to replace NV on a diamond/raphael but we did it!!)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] afterburn:
If this don't work, why does the device allow you to set (under phone) network type to WCDMA and network band to GSM(1900+850) and UMTS(1900+850)?

To me, that would indicate that both WCDMA and 3G connections are possible on NA frequencies.

At least, this is how it is on my phone.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mrvanx:
The band selection screen doesnt look at our hardware capabilities, its actually just a bunch of registry values which are in there as default.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
I apologize to you personally, MrVanx, but I was in the midst of selling the Fuze when Olipro or Cmonex contacted me about throwing HardSPL on it, and if you ask most people who have a device they paid $900 for and had a sale set up for $1,000 on, especially with no warranty as it's pre-release, they won't risk bricking it before selling it to the next guy. I told whoever I spoke with I'd provide them with the username of the person I sold it to, and you posted saying I wasn't cooperating 3 days into my 2 week vacation from Jimmy airlines. I don't think it's as much an issue of cooperation as it is an issue of timing.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] cmonex:
heh do not worry, you didn't do anything bad - you were not the only one with a Fuze. ausbj was willing to assist dumping the radio nand from his Fuze, and tests have been going since then.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Haha, umm, I wasn't the only one with the Fuze because I sold it. :-P
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mynameisplayer:
Touch Pro on Telstra 3G

Asked a mate in teh big T to look into the TP being available on said provider, ala 850 3G.... and the current answer is NO. The mobile roadmap is only 1 month long so it may still be. As soon as wind of this catches ( and only when it happens ) then my/your $1k handset will be worth a bit less.....
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jamesmuir:
Did we ever learn where he obtained his Raph110?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
From raspster, who got it from me, and I got it from eBay. eBay is the beginning of all.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Well the truth is, no matter the release date, the closer we get to then the more the value decreases. That's one of the reasons I wanted to sell it, not because I didn't like it, but I didn't want to be out of $900 when they were available for less.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] McHale:
God Bless eBay
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Haha and god bless thin mint, he put the link to the auction on the forums.

Sell me your Blackjack II. Thx.