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[Touch Pro, Fuze General] patrickrivard:
Last year in October I bought a TyTN II from Europe ($800) and it has the ability to get the 3G bands in North America. This year in August I bought a Touch Pro from Europe once again ($1,200) and from what I can read everywhere this TP piece of crap will never be able to get the 3Gbands in North America!!!

Can someone tell me where did HTC found that STUPID Idea of making a device that cannot work globally.... I mean arn't we supposed to try to make communications easier, faster and more global??? I thought it was the Idea!!!

NO, Instead someone at HTC thought it would make more sense to divide to conquer...

If I knew the head of HTC I would send him directly, by UPS, this piece of crap device with a note stating that they are really missing the whole point here!!!

I know I'm the only one to blame, I bought the stupid thing... But it did advertise that it was 3G!!! I did not know 3G was to be segregated by countries... isn't that a bit Racist in some way???

That's my 2 cents...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Timb320:
Many of us are in the same boat (ME TOO).. I'm still holding out hope, I told the wife not to sell my old TYTN II so she can at least get the benefit of 3G. Not so for me unless a miracle is born from the elite team or better yet HTC. <siigghhh>

One lesson learned -#1 Read specs #2 Hold off being the first ginne pig. ;)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] stepw:
Anything may happen... There's no US version of Touch HD confirmed yet, so it's clear it's not going to be available any time soon. It may be released later next year. But there's nothing *official*, right?

If at all possible, someone will find his way around 3G. Probably not anyone as sceptic as Black93300ZX though, as it takes inspiration and dedication he doesn't seem to believe others may have.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] tassie:
Sorry, I'm going to cross-post this so it gets to the right people.

This may or may not be useful. Here in Australia, Telstra sell a Diamond running on 850MHz HSDPA (called NextG). As a noob I have no idea if this could work but I read somewhere that you could flash a diamond radio into the Raphael? We have a few of these 850MHz WCDMA HSDPA devices here, if you think it would be a useful thing to do we could extract the radio - if that's even possible? We'd need some assistance in doing that.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] McHale:
The crossposting doesn't bother me nearly as much as your lack of reading the threads you posted in. Had you read this thread, you'd know that it's a hardware limitation, not a ROM limitation. Hell, had you just read a couple posts above yours you'd have discovered that!

-Mc
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] iammaz:
How positively friendly of you. I was just reading some other threads tonight and I came across this which was only posted a few minutes ago..

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=2877696#post2877696

Go figure. I'm sure when there is a definite technical reason it won't work, everyone will know about it and there will no doubt be photos and diagrams etc showing why it won't work. Until then, any bits of information that may be helpful should still be put in this thread, that's what it's for. Maybe the 850mhz diamond is just what they need? or not.

- Maz
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] viperbjk:
Well .... there is something I may need to correct.

We still don't know if it is a hardware limitation. From the bits we have seen

so far, most of the hardware is fully compatible to wcdma 850 and partly compatible to wcdma 800. What cmonex meant with this post is that the device itself was also calibrated on wcdma 850. Both, the Diamond and the Raphael were not calibrated on wcdma 800 bands. So ... why should htc developers calibrate the mobiles on frequencies, the mobiles aren't capable of ? :D But it could be that the mobile itself lacks of frequency stability.

I'm currently playing with other qc mobiles, and already found a diag command to enable all bands.

As soon as we are able to enable the diag port on eu diamonds, I'm quite sure we can also enable the missing bands (Except wcdma 800, for sure).

But till we find a solution, please be friendly to each other. There is no good and no bad. At the moment we are just in between, like a grayscale, so there is no deny that it will happen, but also no proof.

Also please respect that reversing the hardware of a mobile is nothing you can handle in a few days. Fully hardware reversing my last mobile EF81 took me 3 years having a lot of sleepless nights and a lot of good reversing friends with great ideas.

At the moment the only persons working on this issue I know of is cmonex, olipro and myself. A lot of people always talk about "elite team".

Who ever that may be, if they are really also working on this issue, I'd be happy if they could work with us. However, this will be no "rom cooking" or whatever, this is real reversing stuff.

If the issue of enabling diag port is way too hard by patching amss or anything else, I might also consider flashing android on these phones just to enable diag port :D

Cya,

Viper BJK
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] y2whisper:
hmmm well looks like i may have to take my device off of craigslist for a bit. thank you for clearing that up viper, bottom line, there is no confirming or denying that this is possible, i still recommend that if you are in north america and need 3g to either to wait (till tues i think) for the fuze or hold off until there is a final word on the situation.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] McHale:
This site is XDA Developers. We have to run with the assumption that if you're going to post, you either have something to add (and reading just a COUPLE posts above yours isn't too much to ask) or you have exhausted the search feature and it's a problem that others can join to finding out a solution.

There's nothing personal in telling someone to please read the thread you're posting in. Too many people post the same question over and over and over and over in the same thread just because they only read their own posts.

Again, nothing personal to anyone.

-Mc
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] patrickrivard:
viperbjk,

Than you very much for clarifiying this 3G issue a little more... this is at least giving us (left-out North American) "some" hope for a bit longer...

But if only HTC had a single once of respect for their customers they would offer a fix for this issue wich is only pissing everyone off at them right now.

If it wasn't for you xda guys helping out I would have sent it back already!!!

Thank you verymuch for your input and update!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] creiz:
Patrick. This is a little more complicated than you think. HTC needs to do R&D even to make a different color battery plate. And they ARE optimizing the US 3G with the at&t Fuze. But you know, HTC has been known before to (not-so) hide solutions so hackers can see them, and make the implementation/testing themselves, and if the phone breaks, they are not responsible. Myself I am waiting for this 850 band to be unlocked. Took that 6gb plan with Rogers, and dammit now I feel like I have a Ferrari but only driving it at 30km/h .
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Well, HTC employees on twitter confirmed that it was a hardware limitation, but no one on XDA-Developers have. You can't say "it hasn't been confirmed", you can only say "it hasn't been confirmed by people on this forum."
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
How are they going to fix it? As I just posted, they flat out said that the European Touch Pro doesn't have the hardware necessary to get 850/1900 UMTS bands. Whether they're lying or not is the issue, I choose to believe them, others choose not to.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
If you're born crippled from the waist down, all of the inspiration and dedication in the world won't make your legs work. HTC said there would be no Touch HD in the US, and they said the Touch Pro didn't have the hardware to work in the US. You choose to believe neither, because it was posted on their twitter page, and that's your judgment to make. I, however, choose to believe them. Don't criticize me and say I "don't believe others have inspiration and dedication", I just believe it CAN NOT PHYSICALLY BE DONE.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] y2whisper:
ah someone that feels my pain :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] y2whisper:
Though others may have a problem with your negativity, I do appreciate you painting the picture that there is decent chance this can't be done. people are still hopeful, but your posts do put the thought in the back of their mind, to not be surprised if it can't be done.

For me the fuze is going to come out very soon, so I soon as I hear more word from here I will be looking at selling my touch pro and getting it. The main reason I don't do it anyways is because i prefer the touch pro keyboard over the fuze, and I like having the front cam for video calling, even if its something i don't use that often, I still have it free for about the next year and a half.

You have your belief (and some evidence to back it up) others want to see what the final word is. one way or another, people lets keep the "i told you so" posts to a minimum when the time comes.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Well all I'm trying to do is be realistic with it. Earlier in the thread you'll see that I praised viper for his efforts, saying something to the effect of "I tip my hat to you for what you're doing, and I'm sure you have more experience in this subject than I do, so good luck getting it done"... But at the same time, I see these people coming in and saying "oh, thanks for confirming it can be done", when the truth is we don't know for sure if it can or not. I would never give an I told you so when it means people finding out their $1,000 devices are crippled, I'd never want that. I wish the best of luck to everyone working on it and everyone with a Touch Pro, but I don't want anyone getting too excited. I'll shut up now. :P
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] tassie:
Here here, I'm going to shut up now too. I won't cross-post a question, I did however cross-post an offer of an 850MHz WCDMA Diamond for the good of the cause. So forgive me for trying to help.

Here's another comment for the good of the cause. We found out from the radio guys at Telstra that the Touch HD (Blackstone) will be made available on the Australian NextG 850MHz WCDMA HSDPA network in early January or sooner. That should give the US guys some comfort. Now some speculation: Diamond can do it, Blackstone can do it, why wouldn't Raphael?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] McHale:
It's certainly a lot better than pre-mature posts by several members saying that it was guarenteed that the hardware was identical and it would work on all bands. Funny you don't see them posting on this topic anymore.

I'd rather have people say it wasn't possible and be wrong than it was definitely do-able and be wrong. One doesn't have me wasting $1000 on a device that I can't use.

-Mc
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] viperbjk:
Ok guys, I guess there is no reason for flaming each other *except you all want to end as a big whopper* :D

So ... there are two things we need (I need) to check ...

as I know now, there are two ways to change bands and to enable bands.

1. If NVItem 0x1B9 has value of 0xFFFF, all bands are preferred

2. There is a sub system version 2 command that will change the internal state of band selection :

"4B0F020003FFFFFF1000000003000000FFFFFF3F000100000200000004000000"

is the command to enable all bands. => FFFFFF3F for all bands (DWORD=0x3FFFFFFF)

So the great deal now is to enable diag port on EU devices :D

As soon as I get the time to resolder my msm I might be able to figure that out using JTAG .... as we assume that the problem is lowlevel (in source).

To Cmonex :

I guess we did a small mistake when writing nvitems .... device needs to be in offline mode, I didn't knew that before .. as all phones are different.

Cya,

Viper BJK
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] y2whisper:
i might end up ordering the fuze today just so I have 3G in the interim and then sell either device once the results of this project are seen. Letting you know if you need someone to test some stuff out when the time comes.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] pjcforpres:
Fuze is Quand Band 3G?

http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-ph...details/?device=HTC+FUZE(TM)&q_sku=sku3090226

This is the AT&T webstie spec sheet, if it isn't already opened open up the wireless technology tab at the bottom of the spec sheet, it says it has:

850, 900, 1900, 2100 bands for 3G!

Not sure if this is a typo on the website, especially since someone posted a picture of a Fuze box in one of these threads showing only Tri-band 3G.

On a less important note, this is my first post! Awesome communitty guys! Very imformative and interesting stuff! I am a newb, won't deny that, to the hardcore world of cooked ROMs, and the what not, but I am a fast learner. I am, personally, picking up a Fuze in a couple weeks when I get my next commission check.:D
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] pjcforpres:
Asked a stupid question, no point in leaving it up...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] phonefan:
Probably, considering it says the following:

UMTS/HSDPA (850/900/1900/21000 MHz)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] pjcforpres:
The 900 band is the new one, not the 2100...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] labbbby:
I have been following this topic for a month or so now. And we( the forum hehe) had a few member with Fuze already. They did flash out (I think) the NV Items and other stuff that is beleive to hold the key to unlocking the other bands.

More information can be found in the Elite Rom threads. Look for post from cmonex in those thread and viperbjk in the current one!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] labbbby:
Haha, too late I quoted you!

:D
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] phonefan:
I was referring to the fact that it says 21000. There is at least 1 typo in that snippet.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] pjcforpres:
I see that... Thank you for answering the newb question anyways... Don't know what I was thinking, of course you guys are "dumping" the radios etc... Too bad it doesn't fix the 3G problem, but that would be way too simple, right?

I noticed the other thread just after I made the post, and started reading, and realized, I am a newb!:eek: I tried to cover my newb behind, but I guess I wasn't quick enough.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] pjcforpres:
True, true... sorry, little too straight forward in my thinking... it would make sense that if they made that mistake, they made others... as well, the box says otherwise.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] boomin:
3g!

YES I have 3g! best damn 300$ I ever spent...I am now selling a euro touch pro for $650.

any takers?

I will also do anything to help the cause...but the aggravation wasnt worth 300 to me...it seems like its kind of a sign for all of us that spend 1000$ on a phone to be cool and have it two months early...(used to be cool when it was almost a year...) Im over it...

for 300 I see 3g and the phone "sounds" clearer...

my 2 cents...

let me know if there is anything that I can do to help the cause...

boomin
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
The retail box of the Fuze says 850/1900/2100, not quad band.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] boomin:
bands....

technically you are both right...

it says and I quote

tri band UMTS?HSDPA (2100/850/1900 MHZ),

Quad-Band GSM Worldphone

just so you know...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jamespaulritter:
thanks a ton. it works perfect
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Quad-band GSM is not quad-band UMTS, 2 different things. The question was if it was quad-band UMTS, and it is not.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
No problema, sub69 was the one who extracted the programs and created the cabs, credit goes to him.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] pam0566:
Installing FM Cab?

how exactly do you install the FM Cab?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] gatordent:
which UMTS bands are operators running in EU ? I was in Norway 2 months ago and my US diamond did not have 3G but the phone worked. Is the FUZE any different?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] y2whisper:
1900\2100 i believe

the fuze has the 3G band in the US
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] youngbusiness19:
I am to in the same boat as all of you, and i think we all are going to stay in this boat. A few people back made some very good points. First, The Fuze usses the same radio thats in the tilt. The original touch pro chip was capable of downlink speeds up to 7.2. HTC web sits shows the fuze as being only capabale of 3.6. Now I may be wrong, and correct me if I am, but I think the radio is 100% differnt. Second, correct me if I am wrong, but when the US 3G diamond came out I dont believed that unlocked US 3G for the euro's diamond. Please correct me if I am wrong. I personally think it was a stipulation by Att, for their is only two major gsm carriers in the states, and those carriers want you to spend money on their branded devices. But again I may be wrong. Has anyone been sucessful at flashing the Att rom to the touch pro. :(
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] labbbby:
I beleive the 3.6 vs 7.2 is only because of the ATT network but I could be wrong...

Good ol wikipedia says that:

Anyhow I still have hope, it's easy to make guesses and infer some stuff, but the fact is that most of us don't have the technical knowledge in this field to make anything more then educated guesses.

So for me untile Cmonex or Viperbjk says it's not possible, then I will still hope for it! Currently the latest update I have seen is the following:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=2877696&postcount=23
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] JstarLuvsTina:
all ive been getting is 3G in my area with my Fuze.

but yet my wife could be sitting right next to me..or in the next room..and have full HSDPA on her tilt.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] boomin:
3g...

I only got 3G with my stock rom as well...but as soon as I flashed it... :) WALLA! back in business with HSDPA :)

just put in a new rom, I also saw some registry hacks to turn on HSDPA

any new news on the 3g for my other $1000 mistake?

Boomin

Att Fuze (nicely flashed) and anyone running stock rom needs to just try flashing once!

att rom SUCKS! slow and hard to use! Text msgs screw up and get lost etc...

Htc Touch Pro (bad purchase in terrible economy)

2 HTC Kaiser

1 Att Tilt

(yes I have too many phones...)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Craig87:
Still Sitting Cluelessly with My EU Touch Pro

I've been using my US HSDPA enabled Touch Diamond now and am still keeping my EU Raphael (RAPH100) charged, etc. I don't really see any new updates for any newfound hope anymore as the Fuze is out and about and no one has announced that the EU TP works on the US AT&T network.

It would have been nice. I like the keyboard of the Pro, but won't use it because of the draggin' Edge speeds.

Now what to do with it?

-Craigster
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] y2whisper:
craigster meet craigslist.

i was able to offload mine for a decent price of $650 CAD and ended up getting the fuze for the same price, i already miss the touch pro keyboard and front cam
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Craig87:
EU Touch Pro VS US AT&T HSDPA

I have an even better idea. I own the EU Touch Pro(RAPH100) as well as an EU Diamond (DIAM100) and a US Diamond (DIAM110).

I will **REWARD** the person that comes up with the hacks or ROMs that will allow my Touch Pro to operate at HSDPA speeds on the US AT&T network, with both of the Touch Diamonds. I'll even throw in a HTC 8525 as well.

OR

I'll trade all of the above even for a working Touch Pro or Fuze that operates now on the US AT&T network.

Whatchathink? Sound interesting?

-Craigster
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] helraiser:
It's kinda too bad. I thought I was donating $$$ to help fund the research into activating 3G on this phone but it turns out the team was focusing more on the rom for the phone. I'm sure it's a great rom but I'm sure we all really want 3G on our phones and a new ROM is just well... meh.

I know we don't need daily updates and don't ask for it but just wondering if this is now a lost cause? If so, Xperia here I come. :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] aodlotm:
Sprint Touch Pro

I know that Sprint's version of 3g is basically called EVDO or EV. I am getting 3g speeds right now. You should notice in the status bars at the top a symbol that says either EV/1X or something along those lines. 1X is just standard I believe.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Craig87:
We're talking about GSM, not CDMA (Sprint).

-Craigster
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] blackout203:
You'll trade all of those phones, box included, for a HTC Fuze? PM me, potentially interested.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] y2whisper:
heck who wouldn't be, i would do that deal too for my fuze that is 3 days old.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Craig87:
There has been some interest shown, but no absolute takers as yet. If you wish I can send pics of them...

-Craigster
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] helraiser:
y2, where'd u get your fuze from? i'm thinking about that but i really miss the front facing camera and so i'm thinking the xperia instead... what're your thoughts?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] y2whisper:
i thought about the xperia as well, but decided not to because of the lack of TV out and the lack of support forum like we have here. ever since i had my eten m600 i have learned that these communities really push our devices to another level. but damn i miss that front cam and am yet to get used to the new keyboard.

look up SN traders for a fuze for the time being. I normally go through superiorgadgets but they don't have it yet.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] y2whisper:
with me the only problem is getting it to your location etc, the only thing i could do is that if that offer is still on the table come xmas i have a friend visiting from the san fran area where he could grab my device and do the exchange. otherwise i would shop the EU devices here on the forums especially to our great cooks, you give them a good deal and the money can be used to buy out the fuze
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] helraiser:
well i decided to go on an airmiles run so i'm heading to hong kong on saturday. get there sunday and back monday. phones are going to be #1 on my list to find! :)

booyah!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Craig87:
EU Touch Pro & Diamonds Goodbye, Hello AT&T Fuze!

Yes, the keyboard is not as well laid out and if I'm using a Touch Pro ROM, I have to use the Fuze keyboard cab. Overall the Fuze speeds with some decent radios and cooked ROMS are most excellent. Even in areas with somewhat limited connectivity, (2 bars), I can still get speeds up to 2.2Mb/s and it is good. (Living in L.A. and running radio 1.02.25.28)

Life is good again. Couldn't wait any longer for a possible hack to the Pro to get it to work at US HSDPA speeds. Ended up selling all EU Diamonds and EU Touch Pro, but am satisfied with the Fuze once the AT&T ROM & radio are done and gone.

Am also very happy with the Bodyglove case for the Fuze. No fingerprint magnet surface problems anymore.

-Craigster
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] loueber:
final answer?

Hi, im new to this forum, and have been following it for months now but this is my first post...

I found it by researching the touch pro... luckily i found it before i bought it due to the US 3G issue.. im in the US.

I am a sad sad SAD current user of the SE p990 still. and i was hoping the TP would have been my upgrade since i couldnt find any qwerty touch screen device with everything i needed until i seen the new TP.

but unfortunatly the us 3g issue....

well what im getting at is i noticed a few topics on flashing the fuze...

well im on tmobile now, if i go to att and get the fuze, i have a few questions....

1- is there any directions or instructions or downlaods that i can access to do this myself? (keep in mind the only flashing i did was upgrading my p990.)

2- when you mention new roms for att to fix the limitations, do you mean HARDWARE? or flashing the rom like in question 1

3- i read someone mention they miss the TP keyboard when they went to the fuze... is it 2 different kinds?

4- finnaly, if i leave tmobile, is the fuze better then sprints version of TP? i thought i seen that sprints version is better then att.

thanks for everyones help... i still cant understand why htc screwed us all...