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[Touch Pro, Fuze General] andresr:
Not EU users but US people trying to get on US 3G networks with International/EU phones. Seems that the phone will get 3G outside of the US but lacks the amp that matches the band needed for 3G inside of the US. 2G isn't so bad, but 3G would really make my day.

I hope people don't totally give up on this issue. It seems like the phones are SOOOO similiar, and they work outside the US with 3G... why wouldn't they work on AT&T 3G. I understand what other people have said and from what it looks like: hardware limitation. I'm not holding my breath.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Raspster:
Quick question for any of you that have the touch pro in the USA. How fast does the GPS lock? I know if it is using A-GPS it will lock mad fast but I also know that sometimes with unlocked phones, the GPS will take longer to lock in the US because the A-GPS will give an error by not locating cell towers to assist..? Also, I know the youtube degrades in quality like the iphone but my question is, will it still stream over edge in the lowert quality and if so, how bad is the quality...? Say compared to the iphone over edge.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] technillion:
Decent GPS lock speed for me...

mine will take from 30 - 90 seconds for the first time after a reset. Anytime afterwards (as long as I don't reset again), I'll get a lock almost instantly.

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[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Raspster:
Thanks TEC
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
Sep 29th :P
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] someara:
Do you have the phone yet?

If you do, how is it working?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] brucewilsonpa:
Well that sure proves there's something new to learn..... everyday!

Thanks for straightening me out.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] McHale:
Talked to my AT&T rep today and he said the best he could tell me was 4th quarter. And he said it's still called the Tilt II from everything he knew.

Who knows, he may be a few weeks behind in reading these threads. ;)

-Mc
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mallman:
Hope he doesnt know then because since it doesnt "tilt" it may as well be called the "Mac II" hehe :p
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] elwuero:
I decided to send HTC an email asking if the Pro's that have already been released have the US 3G hardware and below is their response. I mentioned in my email that they opened the 850 band on the Diamond since release so maybe the same will be done with the Pro. To save you time it appears that the person who wrote me back really doesnt know although he assumes it must and just needs to be unlocked.

Here it is:

Hello Darrin,

Thank you for your inquiry about your Touch Pro.

We understand how important it is that you get full use of your device on your carrier. As you may know, the GSM Touch Diamond was released in Europe, then in Asia, following which the Touch Pro was released in those markets. These iterations of the devices are tri-band, configured to work on the GSM bands most common in those markets, including the 1900 band but not including the 850 band which is almost exclusive to North America/Brazil. Now the North American version of the Touch Diamond and Touch Pro will be out very soon, in both carrier-branded versions and HTC-branded unlocked devices. As I understand it, these should be quad-band, incorporating the 850 band. And as you pointed out, there was recently a ROM update made available for the tri-band Asian version of the Touch Diamond which made the 850 band available. At the moment, that update is only available for the Asian market Touch Diamond, but if it can be done for the Touch Diamond then I am positive that the Touch Pro has the hardware necessary to access that band and it is entirely possible that a patch/ROM update could be made available for it. We don't have any advance knowledge of such an update at this time, but keep in touch with us. We're very glad you're an HTC fan and hope you'll enjoy the Touch Pro.

I hope we can help you, Darrin. Feel free to contact us anytime.

HTC Technical Support

http://www.america.htc.com

http://www.htcwiki.com

http://www.cingular.com/support/
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] McHale:
Unless I read that wrong, he was talking about triband vs. quadband GSM. We already know the Touch and Touch Pro support 850 GSM (which was what was unlocked via ROM upgrade - not 3G). What we haven't confirmed is whether the Touch Pro released elsewhere is the same hardware for WCDMA as the US. We have some people saying that they are and others saying they aren't the same. Since we have installed AT&T's ROM and Radio on the UK versions and it didn't enable 3G, it sounds like we all know the answer but haven't accepted it yet.

I hope I'm wrong, but I won't be buying a UK version...

-Mc
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] atsitalian:
I am waiting myself. I hope the 9/29 date is accurate. I switched from the tilt to the iPhone 3G (got caught up in all the hype) and I am missing all the functionality I had with the Tilt. What the iPhone does do it does very well bit IMHO it is still not a business device which is what I need first and foremost
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] erikjonpeterson:
Touch Pro ATT ROM

I'm confuded where the ATT Touch Pro ROM came from that didn't work to unlock US 3G? My understanding is that only 1 pre-production unit has been seen yet (Blacks). Did he extract his ROM and radio?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] elwuero:
Im thinking about switching to Sprint when their Pro comes out to get some of their exclusive content (NFL Mobile) and guaranteed fast internet connection for hopefully tethering and using Slingplayer.

Anyone with experience with past HTC devices on Sprint vs having a unlocked version. Pros - Cons?

Is this too off topic?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Spankmeister:
I am right there with you...

I am using a Dash on T-Mobile USA now, using a Kavana cooked ROM...honestly, that cooked ROM gave new life to my Dash..but anyway.

My contract is up in Oct, I really need to be on a 3G network, T-Mobile is rolling their's out, but they will not have the Touch Pro until possibily next year...and THAT is way too long to wait...lol

So I am stuck with ATT or Sprint, Verizon is out of the question, I don't want a slower processor and less RAM....it will come down to me what carrier cripples the device the least on the hardware side...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] technillion:
Didn't work...

Yea...several of us have tried the ATT Fuze radio ROM (1.01.25.16) only and it didn't yield 3G in U.S. There is at least one other that I know of that did try Black's original shipped ROM (1.65.502.3) along with the radio ROM with no success there either.

The debate is

Does this mean there is hardware installed in the EU versions to support U.S. 3G or NOT...

. Based on past HTC experiences, some say YES...some say NO.

Most of us (in the U.S.) are praying hard and keeping our fingers crossed that it IS...I am (as ALWAYS) overly optimistic! :D

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[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Agh really? This blows, does this mean I won't get 3G when I go to Europe? Lame!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] technillion:
Hmmm...

Black,

Using the ATT Fuze in Europe...I think that's a WHOLE nother conversation.

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[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Raspster:
This kinda gives me some hope.... Notice how its NOT an AT&T model and just an updated radio... :)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260272792986
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] pjmiebach:
Aren't Diamond's all 3G compatible for all countries?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Diamonds have been absolutely confirmed to not have the hardware necessary to get US 3G. Also, am I wrong or can you choose your carrier name and to say 3G in advancedconfig? Looks like that.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Raspster:
Yea, they are in Europe, not the US. They just recently released a ROM/RADIO for the Diamond that allowed EDGE use in the US which put the diamond users in the same boat as us for US use. Now there seems to be a RADIO that enables 3g on the diamond in the US.... hmmmmmm
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Raspster:
Then what is this??

Just sent the buyer an email... So far there is no bad feedback left on ebay for this auction... I guess what you said Black would have some credit if he blasted him in bad feedback for the auction.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Look at what I edited with, you can make it appear that way if you choose to do so. Not sure if that's the case, but that auction goes against everything I thought I knew about the diamond.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Raspster:
I hear ya, but at this point who knows... At this point I'm trying to be as optimistic as I can... The fact that you have a touch pro with 3g use in the states is a glimmer of hope in itself.

PS - I will update you guys on what I find from the buyer and post the info...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Well, buy it so I can get an Xperia. :-)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mallman:
haha well i have a friend demoing the xperia at Qualcomm with thier sotware and processors and he says its absolute garbage. I would definately wait on release and review for that puppy. If it is anything like it is now he says it will fail
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jcrompton:
the guys at onthegosolutions told me that they were aware of a number of people who had the Diamond working on 3G in the US
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Raspster:
ow all we need to do is ad the touch pro to this aswell. Man, the diamond was tri-band when it came out, now look at it... I think there is still hope!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
I doubt this very much, even in the Diamond section this ebay auction is the only evidence anyone has seen of a 3G Diamond in the US. Where did all of the others go? I think they're lying to get your business.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jcrompton:
Very well could be but since I have bought hundreds and hundreds of phones from them for 6 or 7 years they probably are more interested in keeping my business since I just bought one Touch Pro (but with the option to buy many more if satisfied)

Hopefully they are right.

From my perspective, given the production costs -- I just can't imagine HTC having to basically start a new production for basically a different device with different hardware (that is if the hardware / radio in the current Touch Pro won;t work in the US)

Still hoping!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] McHale:
Yah, I believe *THAT* one. They know people that have it working but NOBODY at XDA does? Bull****. They have inventory to push and the normal customers who are early adopters are smart enough to stay away from this one.

If they "know" anyone that has it working, have them perform the mod for you or explain it to you. And if you buy it and you can't get it to work, have them commit to a refund.

Plain and simple, they are LYING. And if they tell you that they have one working, let me know. I'll drive there immediately and check it out personally.

-Mc
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] spiderman09:
3g

Well I am watching my Touch Pro crawl with Edge and waiting (and crossing fingers) for you XDA wizards to get 3G going. While wondering if the hardware is capable or not.... The question in my mind that arises is.... Why would it be crippled to begin with ? Is there an advantage to not making it a "World phone and world 3G phone?" I would think that the radio would support all the markets..... Whats the downside to enabling use? other than rushing it out the door....

Jason
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jcrompton:
Apparently FCC approval is one of the issues. I guess just like certain drugs that take longer for our FDA to approve. I have mentioned it before but it seems strange that the Treo 750 was not initially 3G capable but a ROM made it so. I may be wrong but the initial upgrade was not because someone ate XDA did it --- it was because Palm (HTC made) released the radio upgrade via a ROM.

I am still not gonna assume that it will never happen just because it hasn;t seemed promising here at first
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] McHale:
Again, we threw the exact OS and Radio on it that is confirmed working on a US model. Working? Zilch. That's a huge clue. It should have if the hardware was the same.

Now that Black is ready to sell his, someone with a UK model should pick it up and check out the hardware on both and let us know once and for all. That's the only way to tell if it's possible (if Clue number 1 above isn't enough for you).

Again, the Diamond does NOT have the US hardware and that is confirmed. The Touch Pro was developed hand in hand with the Diamond. It's probably the same hardware wise when it comes to the radio.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jcrompton:
Where has the hardware for the Diamond been confirmed?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mynameisplayer:
RAPH 100 on NextG 3G???

There is speculation that the hardware is the same across all TP. Also that the radio hardware is the same as Diamonds. Telstra have a Diamond on 850 3G (Diam130?) so does this mean a different hardware version? If so then surely the TP will be the same, and the RAPH100 is a brick for use on 850 3G?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jcrompton:
I know I know - I'm sure I will get blasted once again but I just got off the phone again with HTC.

The rep assured me that hardware will NOT prevent the Touch Pro form getting 3G in the US. The tech said that since the phone will get 850 GPRS that it will be able to eventually get 3G in the US - I know that many kind individuals have tried to explain all of this to those of us that don't completely undersatnd the terminology but all I am doing here is repesting what the Cusomer Service rep for USA HTC told me 5 minutes ago.

He said that "eventually the 850 band will be unlocked on the Touch Pro for 3G use in the US on ATT network".

Be nice guys and girls .. just passing on the conversation
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] guitarguy:
I'll be nice... :)

Man, I'm hoping you're right (or should I say the rep from HTC is right...)

I don't want to have to go through the trouble of selling my Raph now and getting a US one when it comes out...

My fingers are still crossed...:D
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ccrcreations:
I am on the phone with HTC now. They have a Touch Pro and are putting an AT&T Sim in it to try it out for themselves.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ccrcreations:
Ok, so I just got off the phone with HTC and they absolutely have no clue as to whether it supports 3G or not. The support person kept stating that it would since it is a Quad band phone, I had to explain to him that the Quad Band was only for GSM/GPRS/Edge and not 3G or HSDPA. I finally told him to look at the specs between the TyTN II that I have and the Touch Pro to see that the TyTN II is Tri Band for HSPDA/UMTS and Quad Band for GSM/GPRS/Edge but the Touch Pro only shows a Dual Band for HSPA/WCDMA and does not show the 850MHz that the TyTN II has. He put me on hold several times, tried a Touch Pro with an AT&T Sim and also consulted with the higher ups in the office and finally came back and told me that they honestly don't know. Back to square one.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mallman:
keep the dream (not the HTC device running android) alive!!!!!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mrvanx:
The team is working on the 3G issue, it is not as straight forward as just flashing the AT&T radio on it. I cant say what actually needs to be done because I dont know that much detail about it....but its a matter of somebody with a beta Fuze device cooperating with the team to investigate the issue.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jcrompton:
I thought there was a guy with Fuse , actually one of the nay sayers very active in this thread? is there anyway we can take up a donation to encourage them to help?

I would gladly help but only have a stock Touch Pro
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ez345:
black is selling his fuze right?? i just think he wants a nice amount for it, somewhere in the $1100 range
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mallman:
I distinctly remember reading a post where someone got the comment from HTC saying it was possible.

I dont know if HTC knows their own products or not (and maybe not because ive seen that with plenty of companies that do not) but why are you more credible then HTC? Not trying to sound mean but you keep claining that the hardware isnt there and I dont understand how you know this for fact better than HTC. Please explain.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] pjmiebach:
I just think that if this phone is suppose to be a "pro" phone and professionals are the main consumer target, then HTC would of made a phone that works all over the world (in 3G). Why would professionals buy a phone that is handicapped when they travel?

We all just have to wait and see what happens @ the end of the month. Probably just releasing it to Europe with only the European 3G bands available first and than releasing to the North America (which should have all 3G bands available) gives them enough time for production to catch up for the North American release. But who really knows what HTC marketing is up to? :confused:
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mrvanx:
Like I said it takes somebody with a fuze device to be COOPERATING with us to get some progress on the 3G situation. Go figure :rolleyes:
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] marcf:
How is it working on AT&T

Hello All,

For those of you who have the Touch Pro, how is it working in the US?

Thanks..

Marc
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mallman:
It has been just fine minus 3G. It doesn't have as good reception as my Kaiser did with radio .19 or .31. By that i mean the exact chair i set in has less bars then my kaiser did...... but other than that its perfect.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jcrompton:
I think one of the issues seems to be a lack of understanding (possibly by some of the posters here or possibly by HTC themselves ???) as to exactly what is needed to receive 3G. The thing the HTC customer service rep (who actually sounded like he knew what he was talkning about but has been contradicted by some other posts that I have read) said was that since the specs for the device clearly state that the device is 3G capable in general and has an 850 GPRS radio then the device difinitley has the ability to do 3G on 850 but it just needs to be "unlocked". In contradistinction, other posts seem to differentiate between the GPRS radio hardware and the UMTS hardware -- the HTC rep I talked to yesterday said that 3G actually was done through the GPRS radio

As I have said before - I hope he is right.

If 10 of us chipped in then we would be about 100 a piece for the Fuse device mentioned -- obviously if 100 of us chipped in then that's only 10 a piece. Maybe we could start a thread to see who would be willing to offer the guy the bucks to donate a device for "research"
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] gatordent:
You took the words right out of my "post" :) I would be willing to try this before spending $$$$ on a euro version. Since black is the only one out there with the phone then it would be up to his kindness towards the xda community as to what he would sell it for.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] nitroproductions:
so here is the noob question. how much does 3G effect voice as opposed to data? so basically in terms of radio signal and stuff, is it the lack of US 3G that the pro doesn't have as good service as the kaiser and such as was mentioned in previous posts? I don't use internet on my phone except when I find a wifi connection and so I was just wondering if its worth getting the European one just yet. The sprint one is rumored to be out on September 19th and going for $550 or so without contract. Hopefully the GSM version will be similarly priced.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mallman:
I don't know if i would do $100 but i'm in for the $10 hehe
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] juiceppc:
I can't believe on the go solutions said they know of many people with a Touch Diamond using 3G in the U.S. I thought they were a reputable company? They better post a YouTube vid or something or take back that comment or I'll never shop there.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mallman:
i think that if you only use internet with wifi it doesn't affect you. I'm not the know it all but i don't think the 3g has anything to do with voice.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] erikjonpeterson:
No, 3G does not effect voice, only data speeds. I am using a EU touch pro in Chicago and the voice is great. The data speed sucks because of EDGE but I am trusting these brilliant folks will get us USA 3G soon!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] anandoc:
Incorrect! 3G incorporates voice and data alongwith other services such as video calls and faster data downlink and uplink due to greater bandwidth availability. Go do some reading about 3G and WCDMA technologies.

Also, the presence of a 850Mhz GPRS (which is 2G) radio does not indicate that there will be US 3G network compatibility in the future. The 2G and 3G hardware radios (and the corresponding antennaes) are different. A dedicated 3G phone such as the ones in use in Japan (and wont support fallback to legacy 2G networks) are much smaller in size because they lack the legacy hardware.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] someara:
getting ready to try tomorrow

Everyone,

I am giving this a try as soon as my phone comes in tomorrow. I purchased a quad-band Touch Pro (I have screen shots showing that it supports 850 on both GSM and UTMS). The first thing I will be doing is inserting the sim and seeing if I get 3G. If not, the seller has already agreed to take it back.

So, wait and see. I'll post the results, as well as, screen shots (if it works).
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jcrompton:
Really confusing stuff since this is directly contradictory to what the HTC Tech Support Rep told me yesterday in a 30 minute conversation ....

I have in the past tried to keep up with this stuff but obviously it is more complicated than a simple answer ...

But in answer to the other guys question -- in theory I'm not sure, but for practical usage, the HTC Touch Pro works great on 850 for voice and the fact or theory that it doesn't (or does) have hardware for 3G (UMTS) (or WCDMA) doesn't seem to effect the performance of Voice calls or Edge (2G speed) data.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jcrompton:
Do you mind telling me where you got the device?

Also could you forward the screen shots of the 3G on US network?

Also could you please PM mrvanx tomorrow to help dump your ROM to him if in fact it does receive 3G on 850 network.

Thanks
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] someara:
I will do all of that, once I have the phone in hand. It is kind'a pointless if it doesn't work.

Also, I'm not a ROM expert, but if mrvanx will walk me through it, I'll get it up.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] patriciogac:
Well?... any news?????
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] someara:
Actually won't get it for about another 15 hours.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] peter7:
How do you see the differnce between HSDPA and HSUPA ?

thanks

myrin
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mrvanx:
In what way do you mean? In terms of upload/download speeds or what?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Raspster:
AT&T Fuze in hand... Don't think I'm gonna get a chance to do walk-thru testing as I have been working like 65 hours a week but willing to sell to who ever is interested. I have the unlocked pro as well and I'm looking to sell this one out to whoever can get things rollin with unlocking 3g. I can confirm that I am getting 3g speeds with the unit. I did the spped test and received a 1111 speed test. Let me know who is interested.

PS - I can send you pictures to who ever requires. Just send me a PM. I will try to put some pics out there tonight but they are nothing new from what you guys have seen already.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] matchtrader:
Assume you mean that you are getting 3g speeds with the Fuze, and not the unlocked pro, but please confirm. Also, I may have missed this, but where did you pick up the Fuze? Thanks a lot.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] matchtrader:
Not that anyone is counting, but any news on the 3g? Thanks in advance.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ausbj:
Fuze Rom testing.

On Saturday, i am free to test and assist anyone who wants to experiment with the Fuze Rom.