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[Touch Pro, Fuze General] y2whisper:
1 do what yourself? flash? there is a bunch of stickies in this forum for that

2 not sure which limitations you are talking about so its hard to answer that (but 3g works without a fix being applied on the fuze)

3 the top row of keys are different on the two devices, i preffered the touch pros keyboard over this one

4. really at that point you have to judge by which carrier you like more different back cover and different bloatware are also things that happen as well as different roms to be flashed
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] drawde:
So I'm not the only person not getting 3g on the Fuze?

I noticed today I'm only getting E and H icons.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] pjmiebach:
H is what you want
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] drawde:
lol, yes I know. but if there's no H and only 3G and E in an area, I'd rather have 3G.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] 20times:
Hi i have been quoting this on the feeds- but no one seems to get my content-Telstra in Australia have released a commercial ROM for the dimond here that obtains 3g 850 utms. The dimond here prior to the release of thre new rom only had 900-2100. The new rom definatley obtains 3g 850. So if the dimond amd the touch pro are the same why cant a genius hack the rom for the australian dimond and export it into the touch pro rom. Here are the details of the network this rom now works on- i do believe it is the 850 3g everyone is after.

When they say NextG they are talking about the Telstra only 850 MHz 3g network which operated simultaneously on 850/2100 mhz and also uses HSDPA. 850 MHz is the same frequency as the CDMA network which provides greater distance coverage due to the lower frequency used.

Quote on network that works with new dimond romWhen they say NextG they are talking about the Telstra only 850 MHz 3g network which operated simultaneously on 850/2100 mhz and also uses HSDPA. 850 MHz is the same frequency as the CDMA network which provides greater distance coverage due to the lower frequency used.

thanks 20times
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] helraiser:
So I got my fuze today and it apparently came with SSPL 1.60.OliNex. I am trying to put SPL 1.95 on there but it's not working, not even with the manual mode. Any thoughts?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] y2whisper:
try the hard spl thread, sspl 1.6....weird.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] nitroproductions:
this is for all the canadian rogers customers:

does the 3G or HSDPA affect the voice call quality, txt msgn or signal strength in comparison to edge? I don't use gprs at all and so if 3G and HSDPA only affect data transfer, would I be able to use the euro touch pro on rogers and get good voice call quality and so on? I don't wanna get the fuze and loose the front mounted camera which can be used for video calling on rogers. Let me know.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] linutor:
I'm using the touch pro on Rogers and call quality is good and there is no problem with the rest of it. You should only notice the difference between Edge and 3G with data transfer, so if you don't use it, you should be fine.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] euphoria47:
I have the euro touch pro and it works fine here. Better reception than many other phones I have used, I find. That being said, Canadian 3G (i.e. the heart of video calling) wont work on a touch pro that is not the fuze, so having the vga camera on the face will be no more than a fancy mirror (that is currently the only thing I have ever been able to use it for).

Then again, it seems in this thread, half of the posts are certain 3g 850mhz can be attained on the euro TP, half are certain it cannot. I honestly don't know what to think
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] y2whisper:
yeah nitro, no problems using the phone, browsing will be slow, vid calling won't exist and picture messaging will also struggle a bit on edge.

Overall if you haven't bought one yet, and have no need for data, then go for it, if you do, Id advise you to either wait, or get the fuze. the risk with the fuze being if the Euro touch pro probs do get worked out, you now miss out on vid calling due to the lack of the front cam.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] nyckid211:
Any progress in this matter, or is this a lost cause? I know r-engineering takes some time, just curious as to the current progress with this matter.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] shotta35:
Just so you know, 3G is more than just data as VOICE works over the 3G network also and allows picture messages to be downloaded while you're talking to someone. It always sucks to hang up wait for the picture to come in and then call the person back and talk about it.While you may never need 3G data speeds, 3G voice quality is improved over 2G (GSM) in many ways.

I wouldn't spend money on a phone that doesn't use all that's available to me, you can always disable 3G on phones but it's better to have it available if you ever need it or in my case have to have it. There is a 3G only tower or something around here as i get no GSM in my room but 3G full bars.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] euphoria47:
Not to sound rude, but the odds of actually needing to receive a pic from somebody you are talking to, without interrupting the call, would be remarkably low.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] y2whisper:
low true but sometimes you want the full bang for your buck
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] euphoria47:
^ This i can relate too. The thing that I wish I could do is stream stuff with a decent bitrate, put my data plan through hell and back!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] nitroproductions:
thanks for the reply everyone. guess its sorta catch 22. the pro has front facing camera but no 3G to support it, the fuze does have 3G but no camera. i have been trying to keep with the forums here but has anyone tried flashin either a full oem rom off the fuze onto a pro? what about just the radio rom? does that help with the 3G issue? i know there is a lot of arguing abut the 3G issue being because of hardware limitations and all but i was just wondering if anyone has tried it yet or not. thanks for the replies.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] guitarguy:
AFAIK, all the simple stuff like flashing ROMS/Radio's has been tried with no success... I'm waiting to hear about this issue as much as everyone else.

@nitroproductions: If you're interested in a Euro TP and running it on Rogers, I'm thinking of selling mine, if you're interested, PM me, I'll let it go for a good price...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] helraiser:
Ditto... i miss the front facing camera on my .eu TP but 3G is more important so... i got the fuze :(
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] labbbby:
Haven't heard from Viper in quite a while...Still wondering if it can be done!

All I will say is BUMP!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] viperbjk:
Don't worry, we are still working on this issue :D

We're stuck with the diag port ... but maybe we are getting closer ...

Cya,

Viper BJK
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mark.rfidguy:
Volunteering

I hve a brand new T7272 and would be willing to load updates to it if it will help Viper... I would gladly contribute to your effort financially - if I had any $$$. I am currently unemployed (my GF got me the new phone)

Thanks for your effort on this. I love the phone, would love it alot more with 3G! :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] linutor:
I'd like to donate directly to the North American 3G on the EU Touch Pro effort. Is this possible or is there some other project that I can donate to in order to support the cause? I definitely appreciate the work that you all do.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] bersca:
Did I miss the part where you stated why you know this to be true? You may be right, but I'm not sure how you came to this conclusion.:confused:
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Lolento:
That's the process the engineering (or reverse engineering in this case).

If everyone says building a video driver for the tilt withou HTC or Qualcomm's help is impossible, then we wouldn't have made the progress we have now.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] y2whisper:
A bit unsettling for those of us in north america that have prematurely purchased a touch pro with the hopes that its just a software limitation. praying that its not the case but only time will tell, for those of you wondering, just keep patient and keep reading, if there is to be an update, it won't be hard to find.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] McHale:
What should be more upsetting is the statements by several on this forum that were absolutely, 100% positive that the devices were identical and would belittle anyone who didn't listen.

Where are they now?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mrvanx:
May I enquire which posts these were??
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] gelasmus:
I think he is referring to this post/thread:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=2456664#post2456664
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mrvanx:
JJ knows his stuff, and we MIGHT have some luck once we (elite team) get hold of the ROM and Radio which is on the fuze beta devices.........
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] y2whisper:
agreed with that JJ is a reputable source of info around here. So let just take a bit of patience for a min, even the diamond 3g scenario hasn't been 100% finalized as a no. Hope the elite team is successful here.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] brucewilsonpa:
Since we're talking about GSM/EDGE/HDSPA, not CDMA, I don't understand this comment. We're not talking about the Verizon/Sprint version of the Raphael.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] indiana99:
This is the one I ordered 2 months ago. It shipped yesterday.

http://www.onthegosolutions.com/product.asp?itemMDL=HTC_TOUCH_PRO

I was assured it was a US version.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] McHale:
I've dealt with them several times (I live very near Chicago). If the unit they are shipping matches the description on their order page (and I'm betting it does), it is not.

You may want to call and get someone's name and have them assure you that if it's the one listed you can return it because it won't give you any US 3G.

-Mc
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mallman:
there is a note on your order form from that site that says

"Note: Not every phone supports every frequency. Please view the Connectivity details of the phone to confirm carrier compatibility.

"

In addition it says:

"Dual Band 3G"

which i believe is the same as the rest of us :mad:

Someone correct me here if im reading this wrong.

I think that is saying it wil work with ATT but not on all frequencies. I would call them to verify. Just my $.02 :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] indiana99:
Thanks, guys.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] stpete111:
@bruce: WCDMA is actually a GSM technology, confusing as that may sound. It's the radio technology that brings us GSM phone users UMTS and HSDPA.

For your reading pleasure: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WCDMA

@ everyone else:

So as not to discourage further efforts for attempting to unlock the 850 WCDMA band in the RAPH100, I'll move on.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ccrcreations:
So if it doesn't support 3G, does it still support HSDPA in the US? So at least it would have Edge and HSDPA speeds? What would I need 3G for if I had the other? At least it would still work until a software workaround is found, or am I way off base?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jcrompton:
Mine is to be coming today from them also -- i have many discussions with them -- this device is the same as everyone else has been discussing -- it will not , out of the box, get US 3G according to Dovid the head guy at onthegosolutions
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] da_jojo:
when you turn off the hdspa function it reverts back to 3G

might give it a try..
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] bersca:
Not sure where they got the information on their specs, but it would make me nervous to see the 3G bands are 900/2100. T-mobile USA supposedly utilizes 1700 for uploading and 2100 for downloading. Without both it supposedly will not work. I hope they offer a guarantee that it will work.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] stpete111:
Edge = 2.5G

UMTS = 3G

HSDPA = 3.5G

So Edge is the fastest you'll get.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] da_jojo:
AT&T supports hsdpa in the US it seems
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] labbbby:
Cool thanks for the update, and good luck!

Is there anyway to donate directly to the 3G effort like asked above?

Also I am curious, are you in contact with Cmonex for this project or working on your own? because I saw in the Elite thread that they're working actively on it and making some progress...

Thanks again for all your effort
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] s_life:
Any news? :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] patriciogac:
so, there is still hope for us? is someone with the wisdom workig on it?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] FarSight87:
lol you've got it made :D
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] viperbjk:
Ok guys ... some small update :

Got my raphael today, so extensive testing is about to begin :)

Regarding diag port, I haven't had the time to continue, but I will in the next two months. My main focus was to hack new gold card system, and as we are finished now with that one we will begin to continue the 3g issue.

Cya,

Viper BJK
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] FarSight87:
Hi,

I just joined up yesterday. i read thoroghly through all 39 pages of this thread with keen interest, and am glad to hear your reply today viper :)

I appreciate the effort your putting in to this issue and wish u all the best. i am waiting for the outcome with baited breath... :)

thx
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] FarSight87:
Hey viper,

Just checking in to see if you have made any further progress. :D

Cya
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] poodiddy:
Update?

Bump for any updates.

Thanks
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] chetstriker:
Bump for any updates.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] someara:
sorry

sorry, I hate doing this, but are there any updates?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] viperbjk:
Never mind :)

We're quite busy, that's why we aren't replying that much.

Here's a little update :

So far we found out, that something lowlevel is preventing access to enabling

diag port. We are now checking if the SMT_DIAG Port is missing and if yes, why and how it is protected. This is a very slow process, but next steps will be to jtag diamond and to seek though androids code.

Also we found out that, concerning 3g bands, bands are already calibrated and that these work (output power can be measured). However we need to know why the network denies usage. There are several thoughts about it, one is that the network provider itself prevents usage. But for that we need diag port to confirm.

Cya,

Viper BJK
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] viperbjk:
I'm in contact with cmonex, and with the guys that port linux to htc phones.

I didn't see this Elite thread, but I might have a look at it.

Cya,

Viper BJK
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] juliuswang:
Thanks so much for working on the 3G connection issue.

Would like to donate if there is any direct way to this project.

Or would like to help testing it.

Again, appreciate it.

Please let us know the great news that we could finally use 3g with our T7272
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] stepw:
I asked someone in X1i 3G thread to measure RF signal at 850MHz too, however he doesn't have a suitable RF meter, so it was never done...

ViperBJK,

how did you measure the output? Did you use an RF spectrum meter to scan the air or did you look at RTR IC pins voltage/level?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] stepw:
Not that it matters to Black93300ZX since he's already banned, but I guess I owe him an apology as he may have been damn right.

According to

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=3186308&postcount=66

there are no UMTS Band V amplifiers in Xperia X1, which is based on the same hardware platform as HTC's latest devices in Touch series (Diamond, Raphael, HD). This said, unless appropriate amplifiers are installed, it's probably not possible to make European X1 work with US UMTS bands without hardware modifications.

Looking at http://www.phonewreck.com referenced in that post, Google's G1 (which is based on the same platform as other devices listed above) is also limited to T-Mobile UMTS bands through the use of matching amplifiers.

There's an review available for Raphael as well, however it's for CDMA version, so it's not giving the answer to the subject of this thread.

ViperBJK,

Do you still have your Diamond or Raphael disassembled? Can you confirm what kind of amplifiers are there on the PCB? I'm sure you will find the functional diagrams and PCB pictures available at http://www.phonewreck.com useful!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] viperbjk:
On GSM Versions we have (Diamond in specific):

Power Amp:

TriQuint Semiconductor TQM-7M5012

http://www.triquint.com/prodserv/more_info/download.aspx?file=/docs/o/TQM7M5012/tqm7m5012.pdf

(Quad-band GSM)

AVAGO ACPM-7181

http://www.avagotech.com/docs/AV02-1135EN

UMTS 1920-1980 Mhz

AVAGO ACPM-7173

http://www.avagotech.com/docs/AV02-1106EN

UMTS 880-915 Mhz

Stepw, thanks for the link to phonewreck, that was really helpful :D

So this is bad news. Of course the bands can be seen using a spectrum analyser like the one I did. But as the amplifiers themselves to not support the 850 bands, reception is just that bad, it will never work to make any phone calls nor to have network login.

Cya,

Viper BJK
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] someara:
So, does this mean we have our answer?

Are you saying that 3G will not work on the non-AT&T Raphael's?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] viperbjk:
It seems that the answer is :

Hardware limitation. So without soldering in a 850 band amplifier, chances are quite low to get it working.

Cya,

Viper BJK
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] stepw:
ViperBJK made this call already, but I'll repeat it again now - if anyone has a broken Diamond or Raphael, please consider donating it to the community. I've asked the same in HD thread http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=3191714, but I guess there aren't as many broken HDs around yet :)

Someone with the right tools (RF meter and soldering station) could use them to implement and test HW modifications. Anyone?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] viperbjk:
Well I think things aren't that easy at all.

HTC glues most of the ICs, I already bricked two HTCs by trying to resolder ICs :(

Theoretically, one could either replace one amp to use the other bands or implement a small second board. But the latter one will also need "design" considerations like housing changes.

I doubt anyone is willing to have those changes for just one band.

Cya,

Viper BJK
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mriches:
I'm totally willing to solder in a replacement IC to get 3G access up and running on my Raphael. Unfortunately, I can't afford to donate one to the effort.

Does anyone have pics of the IC that would need to be replaced, and does anyone have any idea where to find a replacement?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] stepw:
Check the posts on the previous page for the links to amplifiers' datasheets. Take a look at http://www.phonewreck.com for CDMA Raphael PCB images to get an idea of what the layout is like and where the amplifiers are situated.

If you are in service business, you would probably know some electronic components distributors who could get you Avago PAs. If not, then google/ebay it. If can't find one, then buying a broken Fuze and using its amplifiers is another possible approach.

Unless you have a service center level tools, don't even try this, it's next to impossible to properly remove and re-solder a surface mounted IC.

I agree with ViperBJK, probably the best solution is to introduce an add-on board, however it may also be impossible due to complications involved.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] caldito:
do we still have a hope for the 1900 Mhz Band? Or without having the 850 Mhz AMP we have lost both 3G bands?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] iammaz:
Do I assume then that the Xperia X1 available in Aus on 850mhz is the X1a version? Any way to check if I have one here (ideally without pulling apart my boss' new phone).

Maz
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] caldito:
Viper, after examining raphael and the diamond, could you please tell which amplifier ICs has each one?

Thanks
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] viperbjk:
@caldito ... that was already posted :

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=3190181&postcount=396

For Raphael it seems to be the same.

Cya,

Viper BJK
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] caldito:
The question was because i have seen diamonds working in 3G in the 850 - 1900 Mhz Band. So if the amplifiers are the same there should be another diference.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] viperbjk:
Yeah, could be the CDMA ones are different. However, I was disassembling Diamond GSM available in Germany.

Cya,

Viper BJK
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] caldito:
The Diamonds I saw here in Argentina are GSM and run 3G in 850 / 1900. do you thingme to try to get one to run some tests?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Hi There:
Rogers Wireless in Canada is GSM, which also has the only 3.5g network in North America, and they carry's the Touch Diamond.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] badoo:
thanks a lot
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] legalizaya:
3G??????

Hello all,

any updates?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] HMV76:
Anyone have an update for this?

Hi Just wondering if anyone had an update on getting EU Touch Pro to work on 850 Mhz UMTS (3G or HSDPA)?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] youngbusiness19:
Might be able to get 3G to work

I currently have a touch pro Euro and a fuze. My fuze had the white screen of death so I took it apart half way and it is sitting my desk. From what can see on phone wreck the 850Mhz amp is missing which is what is needed to power what is needed to use the 850Mhz in the USA. Sometime this week I am going to see if I can swap the circuit board that has the amp on the fuze and radio and see if that works, I am pretty sure it will. So what I would recommend is getting a fuze from Wal Mart for like $100.00 and use the board for there. I think that it was worth it for a few reasons. The touch pro has the ability to receive a full. 7.2MB download speed, which we don’t have in the US yet, but ATT has just released a statement saying they are going to have it up by summer. This would be a lot cheaper than having the same problem with the touch pro 2
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] wdkingery:
i wanna know what walmart you shop at that has fuzes for $100..?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] youngbusiness19:
walmart.com

Email me and I will let you know how to get you one

youngbusiness19@gmail.com
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mriches:
How'd the swap go?

Are you doing this to get your touch pro working on T-Mobile?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mkerdman:
Will the TV-Out Drivers work on my AT&T Tilt AKA HTC Kaiser

Wow!

Will the same TV-Out Drivers you posted here work on my AT&T Tilt *AKA* HTC Kaiser?

Murray
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] s_life:
Anything new?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] labbbby:
Two page back I was found that a power amp for UMTS850 wasn`t there.

So not possible now, and most likely never.

Elite team a month or so ago bricked one of their TP trying another hack. No news from them since then!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Solarenemy68:
I am new to this ROM flashing stuff. But when I have my stock ROM installed I can use 3G which is represented by an H in your connection type icons. I can also turn it off and use EDGE only which is represented by an E in your connection type icons. I have ATT as my provider and live in the Dallas area. I also can do the same with the Energy ROM Genysis that I installed from here as well. So it may just be a coverage issue versus the device and ROM/radio.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] s_life:
Where did you buy your phone?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Solarenemy68:
I bought it second hand from an ATT customer on Ebay. Since I was an ATT customer as well I knew all I had to do was put in my SIM and it would be good to go with messaging and data settings. The phone is an ATT phone however and has the ATT logo on it. it is a Fuze so i am not sure if that makes the difference.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] darkshad01:
This whole discussion was started to see if the European version of the raphael could get 3G in the U.S. , seeing that you have an ATT Fuze(made for the U.S.) which is made to get 3G off the U.S. 1900 3G band whereas the european models are not
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Solarenemy68:
Well pardon me then. I just noticed one of the later post asked if an ATT user was able to get 3G and I thought I would answer. I didn't realize this was reserved to EU users only.