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[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] slidinggoat:
dose this rom include the basic gapps?
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] BoboPS2:
I'm sorry I did not understand. so I'm obliged to install "xiaomi.eu_multi_POCOM3_V12.0.4.0.QJFMIXM_v12-10.zip" via orangfox recovery or is this one I installed via fastboot already European? (I installed this: xiaomi.eu_multi_POCOM3_V12.0.3.0.QJFMIXM_v12-10-fastboot.zip)

a confirmation, this rom has the xiaomi dialer and not google? Thanks
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] netreign:
No xiaomi dialer... Unfortunately by me!
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] BoboPS2:
to have the Xiaomi dialer? what needs to be done?
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] netreign:
Tell me, please!
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] jmfb55:
No show options, just show wifi 5 Ghz....
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] BoboPS2:
Do xiaomi.eu ROMs have the MI Dialer? Because the original installed have the Google Dialer that does not even allow the recording of calls. Can you confirm?
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] Noru29:
Read this but you will try that.
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] leechgid:
Yes EU Rom have MI Apps (Dialer, SMS, etc)
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] netreign:
Has anyone ever been trying root with magisk? Are there any problems or is everything accurate?
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] leechgid:
Im in EU POCOM3 V12.0.4.0 with magisk 21.4/EdXposed 5.1.4 sandhook and all its fine :)
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] Noru29:
Not too much battery drain with EdXposed ?
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] leechgid:
no, all its fine
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] eusebiumustea:
This rom is smooth like global rom or is laggy? How is the performance compared with default rom global?
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] carlshark:
There are some performance gains from reducing Google Apps footprint. You have to consider the M3's processor too. You can try installing Magisk modules to further improve performance, but there's only so much you can do.
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] Bizmark240:
Has anyone else tried to install the update of 12.0.4 QJFMIXM through settings I tried multiple methods; Check MD5 and Install button, clicking the ... in the upper right and choose update package then reboot to recovery, changed the name of the zip file to update.zip and enter recovery mode. I don't get the option to update in recovery mode as suggested from the initial thread. I was only able to install the initial ROM and I don't know enough about flashing to fastboot the update. I'd love some advice. Thank you!
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] Noru29:
I agree. I'm using Universal GMS Doze to limit the impact of (Crap)Google apps on the battery and FDE.ai for the global optimization.

I have a question, I checked to autolaunch FDE.ai on startup but it doesn't happend, any idea ?
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] jmfb55:
You need install first a recovery, or Orange fox or Twrp, first one it is fine.
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] Bizmark240:
I got my brother in law to help. I went with TWRP 3.5.0 and was able to flash twrp and install through twrp. The instructions for twrp were pretty awful but I knew enough powershell to struggle my way through it without bricking. If anyone needs help let me know while it's still fresh in my mind.
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] carlshark:
I just use Universal GMS Doze as I have had problems with FDE.ai on other phones.
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] jmfb55:
With Miui and the big battery of the Poco M3 ,it is not necesary any aditional Doze.
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] Noru29:
Wich ones ?
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] carlshark:
This one, 1.8.2

It's a big presumption to say that there is no need for additional Doze support. I'm not going to force the issue, but respect others' preference to be more aggressive in battery management.
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] xwonic:
Bought the M3 yesterday and i'm anxious to install xiaomi.eu rom for the better perfomance cause i ear alot of youtube review talking about not being that good, very laggy for a snap 662
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] Jhoanchb:
just got the lastest fastboot version available and my play store its saying my device is not certified

is there a way to fix that?
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] jmfb55:
Maybe the solution is delete Google account and put it again.
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] starbright_:
Reading about it - once I didn't get: Is it the official Xiaomi ROM for EUrope (to convert from a chinese ROM) or a kind of custom ROM?
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] jmfb55:
Official.....based on chinese rom like allways.
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] RXT00:
xiaomi.eu is a community that modifies official MIUI ROMs to add features/remove unneeded stuff like ads. Look at the first post for a full list of added features. Also, it seems to be based off MIUI global stable ROMs. According to a post in xiaomi.eu forums there is no Chinese equivalent of Poco M3, therefore there are no China weekly builds.
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] jmfb55:
Redmi Note 9 4G is the equivalent of Poco M3 in China.
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] LeandroFarias:
Can I install the Redmi 9T ROM on the Poco M3?
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] ppGabe:
Hi! I'm completely new to installing a custom ROM and everything. I just want to ask, is it possible to install TWRP, install this ROM there, then root the phone by installing Magisk via TWRP too? Or is TWRP not necessary? Can I just patch the boot.img inside the Xiaomi.eu ROM with Magisk, replace it, then install the ROM using fastboot?
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] RXT00:
Redmi note 9 4g is Chinese equivalent to redmi 9t/redmi 9 Power so the Redmi 9t gets Chinese weekly builds. Poco m3 ROMs are separate.

Someone tried it on Q&A. It failed.

I don't see a reason not to use twrp, it will make everything easier. Just install and boot to TWRP, format data, flash latest EU rom zip and magisk zip in TWRP, and boot.
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] bhoxzley26:
How can I update via fastboot.. the latest rom zip file doesnt have an update file like the last one..Help.. I dont know how to flash twrp or ornge fox on my poco m3
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] ppGabe:
Okay, thank you. I will just look up tutorials on how to install TWRP and flash ROMs with it.
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] saaqirajput:
In the first post, it says that OTA updates are not available because TWRP is not available.

There is one available here. https://androidfilehost.com/?w=files&flid=320360

Has anybody tested it?

Also, I need to know if I keep the original recovery and flash this custom from via fastboot mode, Can I restore factory setting my phone safely do I need TWRP installed for that?

Does call recording work in this custom form? Because that is pretty much the only reason I want to flash a custom from in my phone.

My last question is, is it safer to flash via TWRP or Fastboot mode?
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] jmfb55:
There are 2 different recovery here ...https://xdaforums.com/f/poco-m3-roms-kernels-recoveries-other-develop.11969/
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] Noru29:
Currently, OrangeFox is better than TWRP (unlock encrypted partition) and I don't know if there a native call recorder on MIUI rom but there a working module on Magisk: Call Recorder - SKVALEX.
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] netreign:
By me call recording working! Eu 12.0.4.0
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] stepd:
hello, anyone knows how to patch vendor to not get encrypted by default?, like this: https://xdaforums.com/t/patch-disable-encryption-for-xiaomi-eu-rom.4190949/

thanks
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] shehzadhashmi:
Thanks a lot. I installed your eu rom and i am happy, but i am having two issues.

1. I am unable to update despite having update available in updater app. Check rn5 and install error. Any solution to this?

2. Theme app is in chinese and of no use. Can we change theme app to global?

TIA
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] 0ffff:
Don't try. I have tired to flash the POCO m3 rom for Redmi Note 4G using this twrp. Unfortunately my Redmi Note 9 4G could not enter the fastboot or recovery and bricked. Finally I went to the maintenance service center to flash using Qualcomm 9008.
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] jmfb55:
I can not undrestand this post ?...
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] 0ffff:
Rom should not be flashed among different phones, even if the hardare configures are very silimar.
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] Noru29:
I think you are not in the good section....
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] ppGabe:
Hello, I just want to know how you were able to work around it. I want to disable dark mode for some apps because the interface gets messed up but I don't know how in the Xiaomi.eu ROM. Individual apps don't show up.

NEVERMIND: Found it :) https://xiaomi.eu/community/threads/i-cant-change-apps-individually-in-dark-mode.58435/post-572612
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] sharaan:
hi, i have installed 12.0.3.0 xiaomi eu rom with instructions from first post. Updater want instal 12.0.4.0. It is possible to install it via updater?
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] bradley242:
I updated mine through custom recovery.. Check the post here on how to install orange fox recovery on poco m3.
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] sharaan:
I was trying flash TWRP, OrangeFox when the phone was with EAA rom and fails every time. Now i have xiaomi eu stable rom installed. So if now i try again flash OrangeFox will work?
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] xwonic:
I'm having an issue with global rom that the brighteness of the screen is too low when using automatic brightness and i want like 15% more to be the lowest and even if i click to increase a little it goes back to default soon after.

Does EU rom fix this?

Or is there another way to fix this while using automatic brightness?
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] Eam31961:
What if I will use another EU stable rom.zip file by just using the step and the command to flash. Will it work? Thank you.
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] jmfb55:
No other avalables eu roms for the moment.
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] saaqirajput:
So I installed the xiaomi.eu rom on my Poco M3 global citrus, everything installed perfectly, First I installed 12.0.3 fast boot rom. Than I installed orangefox recovery and then I installed 12.0.4 via recovery.

But the phone lags a lot. Like even when I open control center it lags. Does anyone know how to fix this.

Thanks
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] Noru29:
Try:

Settings> Additional settings> Developer options.

Inside you will have to look for the sections “Animation level”.

Reduce the third to 0.5.

You can also clean the cache of POCO Launcher.

Last option but I don't know if it works, overclocking:

open the phone application and write the following code: * # * # 8106 # * # *
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] Eam31961:
For me, I tried both twrp & orange fox for my poco m3, none of it was working... installed 2x each recovery, got stuck on twrp and nothing happen to orange like nothing happened. Until I came up to install to Indonesia Stable rom 12.0.4 then it is working with auto call recording outgoing and incoming.

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I have a question about custom recoveries like TWRP or any kind. When working properly the recovery, if I wanna update with new rom, by flashing using the custom recovery, will it remain installed custom recovery after successfully installed the new rom? Thank you for who anyone can answer and enlighten what I'm thinking about the custom recovery?
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] xwonic:
I installed Xiaomi.eu Rom 12.0.4 with OrangeFox recovery and i can't make calls and receive them, i can connect and use data but i cant call anyone

Please help, its my only phone
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] xwonic:
alright i fixed it :D

Finally im on EU Rom 12.0.4 with TWRP and i can make and receive calls and also record them.

In case someone needs the same help i'm going to detail all my steps.

First:

Tried installing OrangeFox and flashes version 12.0.4 directly, only issue i had was not being able to make and receive calls.

Second:

Tried installing 12.0.3 using the bat file from fastboot but in the end the Rom is very laggy and i couldn't touch anything in TWRP.

and even with the update to 12.0.4 it wouldn't install as soon as i entered TWRP.

I disabled lockscreen and fingerprint before i went in TWRP again.

Then, after i downloaded the update 12.0.4 and went inside TWRP and used ADB commands with the usb cable and input this:

adb shell twrp install xiaomi.eu_multi_POCOM3_V12.0.4.0.QJFMIXM_3c7e0719da_v12-10.zip

That was the name of my update file. The progress could be seen in TWRP and ADB, screen goes out and you just click the power button once to light it up to see the install proguess

then last command:

adb shell twrp reboot

and it's done.

Now for you guys who can't use TWRP, you can use adb command to install and modify stuff.

EDIT: same thing happen to me again this way, and finally figured it out what went wrong, i think :P.

Used *#*#4636#*#* and notice my phone

prefered network was at LTE/TD-SCDMA/UMTS

and to make the calls and received them i had to change to

LTE/TD-SCDMA/GSM.
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] lucascerqueira:
someone know why my wifi/bluetooth suddenly turn too low on signal strength?

i am using miui 12.0.7 global

:cry:
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] stephendt0:
Anyone unable to use MMS on this ROM? I am using Optus as a carrier, which has a separate MMS APN. If I use Aldi Mobile I have no problems with MMS
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] stephendt0:
Where did you find Xiaomi.eu 12.0.7.0? I can't find it anywhere. Or are you using the official EU ROM?
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] Eam31961:
If you are looking for POCO M3 ROM with call recorder, I would recommend the Indonesia Stable ROM. >>> https://xiaomirom.com/en/rom/poco-m...ery-rom/#download-poco-m3-stable-recovery-rom <<< Please Note: I'm not from Indonesia. I just like to use their ROM for POCO M3. I already Flashed eeaGlobal_Stable and miGlobal_Stable but non of it having builtin call recorder except for Modified POCO M3 EU ROM can be found here in xda. Call Recorder - SKVALEX is working fine but just a trial version.
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] Eam31961:
I think this one: https://xiaomirom.com/en/rom/poco-m...ery-rom/#download-poco-m3-stable-fastboot-rom
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] Eam31961:
euGlobal_stable rom, don't have auto call recording. You can fine Modified eu ROM here or if you like IndonesiStable rom which I'm using it since week ago. I can confirm that this rom is with autocall recording. >>> https://xiaomirom.com/en/rom/poco-m...ery-rom/#download-poco-m3-stable-recovery-rom <<< You can install by MiFlash the fastboot zip and using custom recovery the recovery.zip rom.
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] netreign:
Xiaomi.eu rom has call recording...!
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] nenad6:
Hi guy's, I have poco m3 M2010J19CG with 12.0.0.4 global version and want to flash Indonesia rom version just for call recording option.

Is there know issues like network/fingerprint problems if i flash indonesian fasboot rom version with miflash to global version poco m3 M2010J19CG?
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] saaqirajput:
Do you know if I can install Indonesia FastBoot Rom on my Global version without unlocking bootloader?
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] Eam31961:
No, I don't think so. I am new here. I don't have much idea about it except what I tried. But for sure you can't flash anything without unlocking the bootloader.
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] :
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[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] tayts775:
i'm using eu rom 12.0.0.4 how can i activate VoLTE?
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] cbw:
Try dialing *#*#86583#*#* for VoLTE, and *#*#869434#*#* for VoWiFi, your telecom company also needs to support VoLTE.
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] D4rk9009:
am i blind or i cant see fastboot installation script when i unziped the rom
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] ingbrzy:
TWRP is released.. so install ZIP as usually..
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] nenad6:
Is there any issues with indonesian V12.0.4.0 or V12.0.5.0 rom like camera lag or system lag issue?

I currently have global rom v12.0.4.0 and want to flash indonesian rom just for call recording option.
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] netreign:
12.0.4.0 Has call recording!
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] Eam31961:
It's fine, working well with no issue for 12.0.4.0 or 120.0.5.0 Indonesian ROM. Confirm with built-in Call Recording and Mi Message features.
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] sylvio2000:
How long does it usually takes for the xiaomi.eu rom to get updated? Its still on 12.0.4.0
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] poky14:
1hour ago was released 12.0.6.0 :) https://sourceforge.net/projects/xi..._POCOM3_V12.0.6.0.QJFMIXM_v12-10.zip/download
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] bradley242:
Do u have any mirrors of that file.. File doesnt exist anymore in that link☹️
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] sylvio2000:
Maybe there is a critical bug in this firmware and therefor it was deleted.
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] ingbrzy:
12.0.6.0 REUPLOADED..

- fixed SafetyNet issue
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] sylvio2000:
Is it normal that my smartphone detects that new version but cannot download it because all server are down?
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] ingbrzy:
its normal when servers are overloaded.. try again later..
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] bradley242:
Hey just wanna know if theres any bugs that might lead my phone to brick.
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] bradley242:
Anyone also getting stuck here?
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] bradley242:
It says Md5 error or somethin..
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] NamZosua35:
There no update or dowload gboard button in chplay!!!

#pocoM3 #12.0.6 #Gboard

⚠update #1: i reinstall and the bug is gone​

⚠update #2: I install it 3 time and it appear agian! i think #1 just lucky

⚠update #3: Fixed! i install higher rom miui version then install this again. It work.
[POCO M3 Guides, News, & Discussion] NamZosua35:
can you make a version dont have google app? (google search app) it has goolgle assistant and still can spy on me 🙁
[POCO M3 Questions & Answers] bluedisc:
Anyone know what model are the camera sensors on poco m3? Mainly the front and back camera. None of those are listed on any website.
[POCO M3 Questions & Answers] KaMyKaSii:
I would also like to know that. If someone has the device in hand, please install the Device Info HW app and post screenshots from the Camera tab
[POCO M3 Questions & Answers] yan2xme:
Maybe the primary sensor is Sony IMX586... thats only like the common sensor that xiaomi recycled on the previous Redmi Series
[POCO M3 Questions & Answers] keyrie90:
View attachment 5150871

Here the camera information
[POCO M3 Questions & Answers] cbw:
This is the hardware information from the test mode.

The main camera is Samsung GM1.

View attachment 5156803
[Sony Xperia 5 II Themes, Apps, and Mods] Lawliet918:
UPDATE: Running total and list of pledgers here.

UPDATE 2: A dev team has responded! Here's a working alpha!

UPDATE 3: Back cam (almost) stable now!

The recent developments from noted Gcam developers indicate promising results for Xperia 1 ii and 5 ii. However, there is still a long way to go before we could finally experience the Gcam software-processing most other phones already have. The Xperia mark 2s are already amazing devices and if we could get the holy grail of computational photography working, the Sony devices would be formidable flagships, ticking all the boxes that matter.

If we're serious in getting this Gcam working, we need to send a message to the developers we mean business. And part of that would be putting up a bounty to make the development on the Xperia devices more attractive for developers and, hopefully, get them to put a little bit more love for the Sony devices.

For starters, I'm pledging 50 bucks to the pot for a fully working Gcam 7.xx. Could anyone chip in? Let's keep the momentum going!
[Sony Xperia 5 II Themes, Apps, and Mods] Grogros4:
I'm pledging 20€ for a working Gcam on Xperia 5 ii
[Sony Xperia 5 II Themes, Apps, and Mods] jdilla1987:
Saw this on reddit but count me in for $20.
[Sony Xperia 5 II Themes, Apps, and Mods] Lawliet918:
Right on! Thank you! Added you to the list of pledgers.
[Sony Xperia 5 II Themes, Apps, and Mods] kentaurest:
I'll add 20€
[Sony Xperia 5 II Themes, Apps, and Mods] Miustone:
Just seen this... Looks Like i will try it finally 😅 No promises yet, but i think it would be smart to call in the 2019 Xperia Users as well (Almost the same Software).
[Sony Xperia 5 II Themes, Apps, and Mods] Lefteris Fragiadakis (Frago):
Add 25 from me
[Sony Xperia 5 II Themes, Apps, and Mods] Didgesteve:
+ 10 from me
[Sony Xperia 5 II Themes, Apps, and Mods] jody04c:
I'll go 10 quid.
[Sony Xperia 5 II Themes, Apps, and Mods] chrtofiros:
Has anyone tried the ported google camera go mod with night mode? Seems to be working on most phones. Please let me know
[Sony Xperia 5 II Themes, Apps, and Mods] CazeW:
BSG is already working on getting GCam 8.1 running on the Xperias.
[Sony Xperia 5 II Themes, Apps, and Mods] Lawliet918:
Promising update below!

https://xdaforums.com/t/working-gcam-port-8-xx.4199093/
[Sony Xperia 5 II Themes, Apps, and Mods] Lawliet918:
Right on! Thank you!
[Sony Xperia 5 II Themes, Apps, and Mods] Lawliet918:
Feel free to share this within their forum.
[Sony Xperia 5 II Themes, Apps, and Mods] Lawliet918:
Right on. Thank you!
[Sony Xperia 5 II Themes, Apps, and Mods] Lawliet918:
Right on. Thank you! Added you to the list.
[Sony Xperia 5 II Themes, Apps, and Mods] Vic.:
15€ from me for a port with working Night Sight.
[Sony Xperia 5 II Themes, Apps, and Mods] susumax:
Another 20€ from my side
[Sony Xperia 5 II Themes, Apps, and Mods] zujko:
Hello. When a stable version of gcam comes out for 5 ll?

Tnx
[Sony Xperia 5 II Themes, Apps, and Mods] Didgesteve:
So what happened to the OP running this thread?

There is a working GCAM port out there now and if our bounties had been requested and paid up, we'd have it installed on our phones.
[Sony Xperia 5 II Themes, Apps, and Mods] Lawliet918:
If you paid up for the bounty, then you would have had access to the app already. Please read the Reddit post for instructions. It tells you to reach out to the mod team so they could get you in the private Telegram group that gives you access to the Gcam port link.
[Beetles] afeng11:
anyone knew how to convert ipaq6915 nbf rom to nb or nba?thanks!:(
[Beetles] vitali-:
try this http://4pda.ru/forum/attach/1325225/hpnbf2nb0conv.exe
[OnePlus 7T Pro (Regular & McLaren) Q & A] LordCalvert999:
well ya see my phone crashed, went to fix it and accidently gave it firmware for oneplus 7 pro instead of oneplus 7t pro and its been causing me issues and i cant seem to get it to load a OS for oneplus 7t pro.
[OnePlus 7T Pro (Regular & McLaren) Q & A] Hw4ng3r:
Try the msm tool in this thread
[OnePlus 7T Pro (Regular & McLaren) Q & A] LordCalvert999:
sadly i have tried them and it still wont correct to oneplus 7t pro... 1 of the main things i have done was it and it keeps erroring with perma fail or something of that nature.
[OnePlus 7T Pro (Regular & McLaren) Q & A] LordCalvert999:
the error is param preload? trying to find away around it but cant... i know i got the correct version for the phone
[OnePlus 7T Pro (Regular & McLaren) Q & A] Hw4ng3r:
Have you also tried flashing via fastboot? fastboot stock rom
[OnePlus 7T Pro (Regular & McLaren) Q & A] LordCalvert999:
how would i go about that? i have looked into but cant find anything on it... i know my phone soft bricked(stuck on load) is why i ended up accidently putting the one plus 7 pro OS using the all in one tool they have out.