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[General Topics] l3v5y:
Maybe you have become so blinkered by your wish to change this site that you missed the bit on the first page about this sites mission.

If that is the case (and I suspect it is), I've copied it here (I've even be so nice as to make it very large so you can read it!):
[General Topics] ibeqa:
Well, as far as I know 70% of all WM devices today are made in HTC. That includes also WM Clasic devices which are not supported on this forum. That's a pitty and now we have a vote for non HTC devices! Well I have voted for a non HTC section and (this is my opinion) if it is needed mods can ask us to pay monthly or yearly. I mean there are a lot of members and if everybody pays 1 euro a month, well you can calculate it yourself. Anyway it's just an idea!!!

Cheers

P.S. I would gladely pay as people on this forum helped a lot.

Why don't we make a vote: to pay or not to pay!!!
[General Topics] l3v5y:
I take it that you missed this forum?
[General Topics] ibeqa:
No i did not miss that forum! I own an WM Smartphone (check the signature), I was referring to the WM Clasic or as they are known as just PDA (without GSM module).

Cheers
[General Topics] l3v5y:
Sorry!

I misread your post!

Now, tell me what WM Classic devices HTC produce, and I'll see what the other mods say...
[General Topics] ibeqa:
Axim (all of them), most of HP PDAs...

Cheers
[General Topics] JimmyMcGee:
Dells Dude!
[General Topics] Technology:
You Fear Change

You fear change, the voice of Democracy has spoken, a few control freaks will never kill the movement of the masses, now do the math above, the people's choice.......!:D
[General Topics] ibeqa:
Dell or HP they are still WM devices made by HTC but thats not the point. HTC makes 70% of all WM devices as I said earlier, why would that lousy 30% make the difference.

Cheers
[General Topics] raymerjacque:
it is not that we want to change what the site stands for. all the htc users will still flock to this site.

all we ask for is a non htc section. all the htc members can still have their spotlight, but by having a extra tiny section on the side you will not have to sit with noobs sending you PM's all day long asking where to find samsung software etc ... you also wont have the problem with a messy forum with non htc posts/threads in between the htc posts/threads as it is now.

making a seperate section just makes so much sense to me, i see nothing in the negative column and everything in the positive column. hell, half the htc dev's on this site are making software for non htc devices and releasing it here ....

think about it, neater forum, bigger community....

i dont understand why the admin are so stubborn about it.

besides, numbers dont lie and as the votes get more, the the longer the top bar is growing ...
[General Topics] l3v5y:
One of the biggest issues is that the servers can barely cope as it is.

More members = more traffic = higher costs, and better servers required.

The site cannot support much more.
[General Topics] JimmyMcGee:
Hehe, Its so cute. Hey l3v3y, He thinks this is a Democracy!

Given that its the founders pocket the cash comes from if the Donations don't cover our massive costs, I would say the choice it solely theirs. Given the responses they've given in the past. It will probably not happen.
[General Topics] l3v5y:
He... Democracy... That stuff used to be cool, but all powerful admins are the way forward!
[General Topics] Technology:
Do The Math

Dude can you count, do the math above, the numbers don't lie, wow Nellie......!:D
[General Topics] JimmyMcGee:
I can count. And so can you. Just go look and see how much a Dedicated Server with lots of bandwidth costs. :D

I never said that these devices don't deserve there own forum, Just not here.

You can call it nonhtcdevelopers.com. I'll give that name to you without need for compensation.
[General Topics] TheChampJT:
Jimmy the mod....nice!

I see this thread grew a bit since the last time I was here :D!

I have to say that I find it hilarious that there is now a "Non-HTC movement"! I can't stop laughing! The rebels will unite!

Anyways, as far as the math portion goes, who is really going to pay for a membership to have their phone on this forum?

NON-HTC USER PART OF THE "MOVEMENT"---->
[General Topics] Technology:
The Force Is The Movement

The Movement Is The Froce, We're Just To Strong.............!Haaaaath!:p
[General Topics] azazelx:
You want a forum for non htc WM devices? Go to www.ppcgeeks.com, XDA-developers.com for EXCLUSIVE HTC Phones ONLY!!!
[General Topics] Technology:
Look At The Polls
[General Topics] azazelx:
i see the score, and after hearing the mods, theres like no chance it would get added so yea...
[General Topics] TheChampJT:
You can't be serious! Do you really think the poll results, which I'm sure majority for it are juniors, is really going to influence a rather large change to this forum?
[General Topics] Kraize:
HEAR YE HEAR YE. No score matters to us! No one cares about the voting poll! HTC FTW....errrr....i meant only xda forums FTW. HTC PHAIL without XDA-developers! Every other device, PHAIL AND HAVE PHAILED TILL NOW (Get back to me in 20 years or so)
[General Topics] g00ndu:
I understand the Admin point of view. This is their forum and how they wanna govern it is entirely their decision.

I feel that once you let the cat in, it will never be an end to it. First we may request for a Non HTC subforum, next there will be more specific request such as branding, and then the models..... so on and so forth.

So far, this forum is one of the best I'll come across, and believe me, it isn't easy to manage such a big forum. And for that matter, everyone here has benefitted one way or another, regardless of what brand or device they have.

Xda had been tolerant enough to let posts of non-HTC devices to be posted, and I personally can live with that. Yes, we may have added addtional bandwidth to this forum, but likewise we have also "pass-it-on" to those who need help with the experiences gained from here.

Whatever the decision that the admin take, I will respect their decision.

By the way, I voted for a non-HTC forum as well, as I my device is a Samsung i780. I ain't no junior, but a 43 year old guy having some fun and in the process gaining knowledge about his device.
[General Topics] raymerjacque:
well, 2 things is for certain.

1. If there are so many users and the server capacity is high, someone is pocketing alot of money. you have donations and google ads. with the amount of noobs on this forum they must be spamming the crap out of those banners.... so somehow i'd say we are getting screwed over....

2. If William Wallace saw how stubborn the Admin here were, i'm pretty sure he would chose to take on the king of england all over again before posting here :)

We arent asking you to shut down the HTC section, we just asking for a section of our own. It's not our fault that you hate change.

The more popular you are the more users you will have = more donations + more banner clicks = more money you will make.

Besides, the so called software that is being developed for HTC devices which is the reason for the forums being here, most of that software runs on 80% of non htc mobile devices, and as such your slogan is actualy wrong, you are writting software for quite a variety of devices, even if you didnt intend it to be that way.

when one first has a idea one acts on that idea, dreams get born and if one has a bit of luck and is willing to fight for that dream, the dream becomes a reality. Altho the dream was originaly yours, at some point you have to realise that you are only part of the dream, you play your role and the dream would not function without other people playing their part. the dream becomes bigger than just you and you have to adapt to changes that needs to be made. This forum is bigger than i am sure was first intended, not everything is up to the admins discretion, people have a say, without users this forum would not amount to much. so for mod's or admin to play the "i out rank you and that is just the way it is" game doesnt really work. the admin's job is to make sure the forum is running, the mod's are here to make life better and keep the scum away.

but the users are the people with the real power, we flood the forums and make thousands of threads and posts.

In otherwords, this poll does count, even if we don't get our way we still stir the pot and the heat is felt even at the highest level.
[General Topics] migsims:
Then go start your own forum. I run tons of sites, and you sir are a jackass.

I have 2 dedicated servers and a bunch of VPSs that cost me tons of cash. And forums? They make very little money for the bandwidth they use most of the time. Forums tend to be labors of love for the people that start them, they start them because they feel there is a need for discussion that isn't being correctly catered to.

If you feel you aren't being catered to in the way you like go find somewhere else. While your at it go whine in some Ford forum about how they should have a section about Dodge. I mean cmon they both make diesel vehicles right?

This forum's power is "power users" the ones who work their asses off cooking and testing and posting relevant info. Some bricking their gear in the process. Like any good forum the quality is based on the knowledge of the members, and trust me there is nowhere on the net that constantly delivers like XDA does on the the HTC/WM front. So good luck with your sob story and Polls. Oh and the "users" flood the forum because of the people here that know their ****, and post hard work. Not the blabbering idiots asking for a place to download warez.

But once again you don't pay right? You don't contribute jack ****. You leech and then whine when the world isn't your way?

I'm not a big contributor to this forum, but the amount of information on here is amazing and has helped me and saved my ass with crap I've done to my tytn countless times.

Quit your whining, XDA is an HTC centric forum, that's the whole idea, and was the whole idea behind it creation and current existence.
[General Topics] raymerjacque:
Dude, do i look like a noob to you ? so please do not address me as one, for your info i am not a leech. very rude of you to assume i am.

I am sorry to hear that your forums dont make money and that you are broke, but this poll is not about your financial situation.

I actualy spend alot of time helping out newbies and contributing to the community, problem is that i can't do it much here, i would like to which is what this thread is about. however you can find me at two other I780 sections :

here :

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=114911&highlight=i780

and here

:

http://www.ppcsg.com/index.php?showtopic=101379&st=0

I go via the nick, Amaedict.

the thing is that there is no non htc section here for me to post and contribute. it is easy to say go and make a forum, infact there are quite a few other forums out there, but end of the day they all point to this site because majority of windows mobile users plague this forum. problem is that its a mess because their posts and threads are burried in between all the htc threads and posts.

so in the end we are going in circles and it boils down to the fact that there are hundreds if not thousands of non htc users on this forum with no section of their own.

if there were valid reasons for not making a seperate non htc thread i can understand, but cash is hardly a reason.

with non htc section you'd have alot more users, growth is always a good thing. a forum of this size should not have trouble find sponsors, i know forums half this size that get sponsored and don't pay a cent for bandwitdh.

besides :

more users = more banner clicks = more cash.

more users = more donations = more cash.

does that not make sense ?
[General Topics] raymerjacque:
old XDa intro page :

new intro page :

see how easy it is to make a minor change to the intro slogan ? a few lines and the forum is suddenly so much bigger. how difficult is that to do ?
[General Topics] raymerjacque:
i dont mean to spam, but i just want to post some interesting facts.

For my example i am going to use just one model from the samsung range the I780 :

in the Xda forum there are the following :

1. 427 posts on the I780 : ( http://xdaforums.com/search.php?searchid=15447968 )

2. 195 Topics started that contain the word I780 in the thread title : ( http://xdaforums.com/search.php?searchid=15447997 )

So for just

one model of the samsung range

you have 195 existing topics and 427 posts. So you see, non htc users are already here, and wer'e here in big numbers, I posted stats for a

single model

of an entire range, not to mention all the other brands out there. By adding a seperate section you arent really increasing the number of users drasticly, you are merely making everything neater and easier to be found.

it is inevitible, sooner or later it is something that will have to be addressed, its like going from cpu and gpu to CPU/GPU.

It is the next logical step.
[General Topics] gavink:
If it was simply a case of putting messages that people are going to post anyway into a different forum, then it's hard to argue against it.

But, having a seperate forum would likely draw even more traffic than already exists. I can't speak to how loaded the servers are now, but it probably wouldn't help.

Also, not saying that XDA is owned by HTC... but it would be like asking Gateway to add a Dell forum, just because there are functional similarities between Dells and Gateways.

I've found (already existing) answers to my Windows issues on both sites, and even contributed to both support forums. But I would not consider starting a thread on either site, since I don't own their products.
[General Topics] JimmyMcGee:
If you ever assumed I was implying that since I was a mod my opinion matters more, You are wrong. I apologize if it came off that way. I've been against non-HTC additions since way before I was a MOD.

I personally don't want this forum to turn into MoDaco. And I'm not alone in this sentiment.

Also, If you are so good at setting up forums that make money, Make a forum for non-HTC device, and go buy yourself a Porsche. :) I know the forums I've set up in the past, haven't paid for themselves. Even with Donations and Banner Ads.

At any one time there are between 2,000 to 4,000 people browsing the forums. That seems like plenty to me. I'm sure if people stopped buying HTC devices and the count dropped to 1 or 2 at a time, they might consider adding non-HTC devices. But no need to actively seek out new members, We have enough to crush a few servers right now as it is.

On a side note, Keep the debate fun and positive. Any personal attacks or foul language will not be tolerated.
[General Topics] blim888:
hi raymerjacque Im also a fellow i780 user and I also want a separate thread for i780 so i can look it all up in a single thread/topic. I have an idea, why dont we just invade and invite other i780 to post all their questions and opinions, programs etc on Other HTC manufactures phones Beetles? Since there is NO i780 official thread out there we will not be accused of posting on a wrong thread. Thats just my opinion. Atleast we can have only one specific thread to cover i780... What do you think?
[General Topics] efjay:
Xda is a great site but its quite hypocritical not to allow subforums for other devices, there doesnt seem to be a problem with people posting software extracted from devices like the Omnia, does there? Might as well not allow that as well as not allowing non-HTC device forums.
[General Topics] l3v5y:
Surely allowing non HTC devices would be more hypocritical, as the sites purpose is for HTC devices?

Also, I think you'll find that everything ripped from the Omnia is ripped to get it to run on HTC devices (the graphic drivers for example).
[General Topics] borce_razor:
Will be usefull to have section for another non HTC devices on our forum. I think admin will allow it.
[General Topics] l3v5y:
From what I know of the Admin, it won't happen.

Also, the servers at the moment really couldn't take the extra load of more fora.
[General Topics] sl9:
The Sony Xperia X1 is made by HTC, but sold only by Sony. Will this have a sub-forum on here when it comes out? If so, then I vote to keep this site HTC only :D
[General Topics] l3v5y:
Already has one!

It's in the "Other HTC made devices" section, at the bottom of the main forum...
[General Topics] naguz:
This isn't a site for HTC devices.

You can quote the "This site is for... " text until your faces turn blue and your penises fall off, it wouldn't make it true.

It started as a HTC-forum, yet you would have to have been blind the last years not to notice that it isn't any more. This forum is a Windows Mobile forum.

Be it Samsung, HTC or others who are making the devices, the best "under the hood"-threads is here at XDA. The world has changed - HTC is not the "one and only" anymore, and the community here has changed, and thus - this forum has changed. 'Cause the forum is only the community.

You can see it in any thread about shells, apps and mostly everything else. Peoplke ask if it will work on their Omnia and whatnot. And why shouldn't they? It is not like apps being develped is "HTC-apps". They are windows mobile ones. Desperatley claiming at "HTC = windows mobile" just aint true anymore.

Trying to desperatley maintaing this as a clean HTC-only forum makes as much sense as turning a windows forum into a forum for whoever manufacturer made the first PC running windows.

Still, if it makes your day - hang on the the glorius past where your HTC was the coolest, and the only alternative.

"Tar De livsløgnen fra et menneske, så tar De lykken fra ham med det sammen."
[General Topics] TheChampJT:
HTC is the largest PDA distrubitor in the world right now. Look back at all of these threads concerning non-HTC devices being added to the forums, it's all the same. There isn't a device here you can argue isn't from HTC.

As soon as I get my Storm forum there will be other devices listed.
[General Topics] naguz:
There are plenty of threads about Samsung Omnia and i780, t.ex. I seriously doubt they are made by HTC.
[General Topics] TheChampJT:
Neither have a seperate sub forum.
[General Topics] deedee:
And in the Omnia's case it's not through lack of asking. Personally i say leave it as it is, the non HTC specific threads are easy enough to read around and i think someone has a more generic WM forum running, just can't think who it is at present, think it's jayjay85.

Yup it is, look here JayJay's WM forum
[General Topics] naguz:
Really? :eek:

Oh, wait, that is what this thread is all about! Making it easier to browse threads for other mobile phones.

Gee, I get the "I <3 my HTC"-part, but seriously.
[General Topics] TheChampJT:
Seeing you're a newer member I won't get too much into it, but as you may have read, this started as a HTC forum and will remain that way. This isn't my decision and never will be. Read the rest of the thread for more info.
[General Topics] -PiLoT-:
yeah i made the forum as i asked if the omnia would get a forum

but we know the policies

my forum started with htc devices but as that couldve caused a conflict of interest i took them away

if devices wanted arent listed they can be made up

just a reminder though my site isnt in conjuction with this site, but i thought it'd be a good idea to have a similarly formatted space to have for non HTC devices
[General Topics] naguz:
I have read most of the tread. And dozens of similar posts s elsewhere. I do get the point of keeping it clean, but this forum has never been clean - at least not since non-htc phones started to appear in the market (and immediately spawned dozens of posts here).

This is not about whether this forums shall be open to non-HTC devices or not - it already is. Just do a quick search. It is about giving the threads about other phones their own little corner, instead of having them littered all around the place. Surely this can only have positive effects for everyone?

It seems like quite a few people tries to make this discussion about opening the forum up to other devices or not. Such premises for this discussion are completely faux.

This is not a HTC-only forum, and all the posts about the other devices proves this. It is fact. A forum is its threads and posts (and users), not its almighty carved-in-stone-categories.

The question is abut giving a part of the forum its own category or not.
[General Topics] raymerjacque:
Exactly, it's not a question of allowing non htc users to post here.

THEY ARE ALREADY HERE.

Its just a matter of giving them catogories so they can post it in a section of their own instead of of the mess it is in now.

the admin are so stubborn tho, they use the excuse of bandwitdh, but weither they make a section for non htc users or not they will be using the same bandwitdh, people wont be posting more or less, things will just look neater ....
[General Topics] TheChampJT:
Why this discussion still continues puzzles me......

But, people join here to discuss specifics on HTC devices. Few come here to check out new development, which are mainly based on HTC devices, just check how large the HTC apps thread is. The market expands for PDA's, people get a WM device that isn't HTC and suddenly want their own sub forum. This is not a WM forum, the OS is discussed around here because that is the OS used most on HTC devices. There are many forums around, plenty for WM. Yes, there are users here already taking the bandwidth, but what happens when new sections open? More people start visiting.

It's a very simple fact, you can "argue" it all day, but the same fact will stand that this is a HTC forum, not WM.

Also, no need for the link in the sig.
[General Topics] denco7:
Here is a deal, go here......http://www.germanautoforums.com/...... and get them to start a Ferarri sub forum and then come back here and we'll talk.

Deal ?...........
[General Topics] TheChampJT:
lol! I think this small adventure will help prove a point.
[General Topics] orb3000:
Good analogy denco7!

Hope with this people understand that THIS IS AN HTC ONLY FORUM, and the fact that Mods allow this thread to continue is the closer this people will get for a non HTC thread
[General Topics] galaxys:
well said orb! or any non-htc threads are usually moved to Off Topic :cool:
[General Topics] echolock:
Must say I come down on the side of those saying another forum for non-HTC devices would be a good idea. There are threads here and there and not all are shut down.

Yes, it's a HTC forum, but from the name you'd think it was an O2 Windows Mobile devices forum! What would happen if, say, O2 came up with a Samsung-built XDA? Would that get a forum? :)

In light of this, the points about going to a German car forum and asking them to have a Ferrari subforum are a wrong - a better analogy for what's happening here would be to go to a German car forum (i.e. O2 XDA forum) that now claim to be BMW-only (i.e. HTC-only) and ask them to add an Audi (i.e. Samsung-built XDA) car subforum :P

That said, I don't know the likelihood of O2 having non-HTC XDA devices, so maybe the point is moot.

raymerjacque for president! :D
[General Topics] l3v5y:
If you read the statement on the xda-developers home page, you'd have realised why it's called XDA, not HTC and why its specifically for HTC devices. Might I suggest you read it?
[General Topics] -PiLoT-:
o2 have had non htc devices and they arent here
[General Topics] l3v5y:
Read my previous post.
[General Topics] erikvario:
what is the x1 a htc :eek::eek::eek:

i didn't new this before.

erik

edit:

btw. the site is now slow enough.

more phones and it will explode.

than you have no forum instead of a large
[General Topics] -PiLoT-:
@l3v5y

it was aimed at this sorry lol

i wa saying o2 HAVE had other phones out but xda has its rules

at the end of the day the rules have been made and they are they are there for a reason