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[TouchPad General] DoubleStuff:
So here is the latest in my "pale blue screen" saga, so its documented for posterity.

@HP_TOUCHPAD was right, I had to "baby sit" my touchpad as it was being charged from the "dead battery" icon, because after 30 minutes it goes into the moboot screen and a human has to be there to click into Recovery mode, otherwise it will boot by default into Android and get the "Pale Blue screen" again. I was there ( see pic #1 ), to use volume buttons to select Recovery, but the HOME button would not work, I pressed it hundreds of times. ( Some may say its because of the DUMBBELL, no pun intended ), but I think this HOME button has been a little dysfunctional as of late. So I left it in the charger wrapped it in a nice towel and went to bed.

At 3:44am I woke up to drink water, and decided to press the HOME key once, and it worked and booted into Recovery ( pic#2 ). I decided to finished the load in the morning, I took note it was now fully charged at 100%.

So in the morning, I used Recovery to load the 1728 Max setting ( I know I should have done 1512 Max settings ) and I got the blue screen again. Then I used the AutoSalute #3 picture ( Power/VolDwn/Home ), and it turned off the blue screen, because I thought I could then do a hard reset with Power/Volumedown/Home, but apparently the HOME key is acting up again, because it will not do a hard reset. That is where I am at now, with a hp touchpad fully charged unable to get into Hard reset.

I think now I will try the "hard reset" everyday, or until the battery runs out, which may take 6 months because its shutdown.
[TouchPad General] HP_TOUCHPAD:
Thanks, @DoubleStuff for updating your Pale Blue screen experience.

That Tablet can not handle a CPU overclock speed of 1728. If the Home key is faulty, the hard reset can not be done, and it will stay on with the Pale blue screen until the battery runs out.

Possible solution, use the stock kernel 1512 and load Android. The Home key is not that important, Android uses it's on Home key.
[TouchPad General] DoubleStuff:
Your welcome, it was a team effort....

Well actually I was able to get it from the Pale Blue Screen to shutdown, but the hard reset does not work now, because of faulty home key.

So I have 3 questions @HP_TOUCHPAD:

1) How long until the battery runs out in shutdown mode, I was thinking 6 months?

2) I am not sure I understand when you say "Home Key is not that important", since it eventually goes to Moboot how will I select "Recovery"? Usually its volume key up, then press home key - then it boots into Recovery.

3) You say, "Android uses it's on Home Key", Did you mean "Android uses it "own" Home Key? such as double tapping screen to turn it off?
[TouchPad General] HP_TOUCHPAD:
Home Key not working properly, not a problem at all.

It all depends on the battery health and room temperature.

There is no need to wait, the Tablet can boot into Android at this moment with a simple step.

Home Key is not needed, because we have all the tools to get the Tablet to boot to anything without touching it ! ( Like Magic )

Android phones never had a Home key, but a navigation bar. That has all the function of the home key. To turn off the Tablet in Android ,press power key, a menu pops up and touch your selection. I never use the Home key in Android.

This is how you can fix the Tablet easily, using " NOVACOM".

Place the Tablet in the BIG USB mode and now any boot image can be loaded directly from PC.

If you want to load TWRP Recovery, load it from PC.

You can load the stock ROM boot image from PC and boot directly to the ROM you flash.

Android 9 is already flash, then use the boot image from the ROM and loaded using Novacom.

It is very simple and is a quick solution to get it working right now.

Also take a look at the Novacom Repair Android

https://xdaforums.com/t/hp-touchpad-novacom-repair-android.3960435/
[TouchPad General] DoubleStuff:
Yes remember @HP_TOUCHPAD back in 2019 I took many journeys in that thread "Novacom repair" and I still have my thumb drive that boots with a PC into the Puppy Linux Novacom repair screen.....but....the only problem is....

Since 2014, since I been installing Android on hp touchpads, I have never been able to boot into the GIANT USB SYMBOL other than going into through the moboot screen and selecting "Web OS recovery".

People say just press the Power key and Volume up key ( closer to power key ) and hold for 10 seconds....but its never worked for me.

Do you have any advice on me getting to the Giant USB symbol screen?
[TouchPad General] HP_TOUCHPAD:
To place the Tablet into Recovery Mode to use with Novacom. Big USB symbol.

Tablet must be OFF and charged.

Options:

Press and hold:

1.Power Key and Volume Key closer to power.

2.Hold Volume Key closer to power and connect to PC using USB cable.

3.Hold Volume Key closer to power and connect to charger.

All those options will go into Recovery mode, with no need to use moboot.

Volume Key closer to power is the main step and all the other options is waking up the Tablet, same as Power key.
[TouchPad General] DoubleStuff:
OK I learn something new everyday on this forums, now remember my tablet is in "shutdown" mode from Power/VolUp/Home, but technically its "OFF" right?

I never knew tablet must be fully charged to go into Giant USB mode, and I never new about options #2 and #3.

I will charge my tablet overnight, and report back in the next few days.
[TouchPad General] HP_TOUCHPAD:
Yes the Tablet is OFF otherwise will be showing the Pale Blue screen.

It is always advised that the battery have some charge before performing any task, you do not want an unexpected shutdown.

Keep in mind, next time only press and hold the volume key closer to power and connect to the PC ready to load the boot image in novacom.

Good luck!
[TouchPad General] DoubleStuff:
Ok just to make it clear this is what I am going to do, next time.

Method #1

With PC off:

Insert my thumb drive with puppy linux Novacom into the off PC

Also insert the hp touchpad cable into off PC, and then while pressing and holding volume key ( close to power )

I will then turn on the PC.

Method #2

With PC off:

Insert my thumb drive with puppy linux Novacom, and turn on PC, booting puppy linux first.

Then with the puppy linux Novacom screen loaded, then press and hold the volume button and insert tablet cable into the PC.

Which method is correct?
[TouchPad General] HP_TOUCHPAD:
Method #2

But there is no need to do any repairs on your Tablet and all can be done on your regular PC running novacom.

On your regular PC, have it ready then press volume key (closer to power) plug in to PC and run the novacom command.

You can load the stock boot image from Android 9 Rom, or Recovery.
[TouchPad General] DoubleStuff:
Ah ha we had a minor miscommunication between us, and its caused a misunderstanding....

I will explain to the users....

@HP_TOUCHPAD said, "Tablet must be OFF and charged", but his "OFF" does not just mean press the Power button off,

the Tablet must be "SHUTDOWN", then pressing PowerKey/VolumeCloseToPower will display the BIG USB symbol.

So on my 2 working touchpads, the above method worked, and I get the BIG USB symbol

but on my "Pale Blue Screen" touchpad, which is now in "SHUTDOWN" mode, I think, it does not work. I cannot get the BIG USB symbol to run NOVACOM command with this, and because no BIG USB symbol I get the error in the attachment.

Now the questions:

1) Is "Pale Blue touchpad" bricked? I can't get the BIG USB symbol, like my other working touchpads.....

This could be, because its not properly in SHUTDOWN mode, it maybe just OFF, I will recharge the battery and try again.

Here is a piece of evidence that may help in the investigation, when I plug "Pale Blue" into the PC via the touchpad cable, the PC makes a noise acknowledging that something was connected, but the hp touchpad icon does not appear in my devices/drives folder, and nothing happens on the touchpad.
[TouchPad General] HP_TOUCHPAD:
I will try to make my answer short and clear, otherwise we are just going deep into a rabbit hole without catching the prey.

*The Pale Blue touchpad is not bricked.

It turns ON and boots into moboot menu, then loads the Kernel for Android. The CPU can not handle the 1700 speed overclock and gets halted, showing a Pale Blue screen. At this stage, a Hard Reset needs to be done, as Power key alone will not work.

*Tablet has a faulty Home Key, preventing to do a Hard Reset.

The only way for the Tablet to turn OFF is when the battery runs out.

*Tablet needs to be place in Recovery Mode by pressing Power and Volume key closer to power.

** Problem 1: Battery has no charge and pressing Power and Volume will not do anything, there is no electricity to power on, the Recovery Mode does not work.

***Problem 2: Charger is connected to Tablet and the low battery symbol shows up, meaning the tablet is taking charge. But it already booted, and volume key was not pressed, then is too late to enter in Recovery mode.

****Problem 3: After 30 minutes of charging, the Tablet boots into moboot menu, because the Home key does not work there is no way to select Revovery, Android boots but the overclock CPU speed halts the kernel displaying a Pale Blue screen.

Possible solutions to try:

Battery is drained, connect to charger and the low battery symbols shows.

Supervise the moment the moboot menu comes up. Immediately press any volume key to select Recovery.

After Recovery is selected, try to make the Home key to work by pressing in the different directions, hopefully it will activate and starts Recovery. Then flash only the Android 9 Kernel, by re-flashing the ROM will update the Kernel.

I do not know how the Tablet will behave by doing this, but you can try it:

When the battery ran out and tablet is off, apply the tape as you did before on the volume key ( but not to power ), then connect to charger. The low battery symbol should come up and hopefully the USB symbol will show when it has enough power.

By the way, from your first picture showing the novacom command loading the Wipe_All. zip file.

Only boot image files can be loaded, not zip files.
[TouchPad General] HP_TOUCHPAD:
Congratulations ! You finally got the Pale Blue Rabbit (the prey).

Is a lot to reply, but you got it.

Thanks to all the developers that provided the tools and knowledge for us the regular users to find a way to keep using the device.

It does not matter if the physical Home Key, Power Key or Volume Down keys does not work.

From your experience and feedback, you have demonstrated that the most important physical key is the Volume UP.

Volume Up allows for Recovery mode to be enabled and make any changes.

Example, with only Volume UP working. The user can place a tape to hold it down and place it to charge, this will turn on the Tablet with no need to use the Power Key, and it could boot into Recovery mode.

Another trick for the HP Touchpad On-line Manual.

Thanks for posting and taking the time to share your solution!
[TouchPad General] NautTboy:
Yes I got it!!! after nothing seems to work.

I had nothing to lose, took it apart. Reseat the battery. Press power button voila! Good sign of life with <Battery (?)>

ran the debrick CD and watch the text scroll by and it said DONE!!!

Now Charging.

Question is if this one is 32gb and i ran the debrick 16, will i encounter any issue? I have 3 and i know this one has bunch of games(assuming has more storage).
[TouchPad General] DoubleStuff:
Well once you fixed the battery, and got the Battery Symbol, all you needed to do was charge for 30 more minutes and the Moboot menu would have showed up to boot into Android, this was not a bricked tablet, but had some battery issues.

Somewhere in this thread I think @HP_TOUCHPAD wrote is does not matter if you ran debrick 16 on a 32gm tablet, I will try to find the post when I have more time.

It was actually in the original posts HP_TOUCHPAD says, "I tried flashing the 32_GB and 64_GB to a 16_GB Tablet and all worked the same. There maybe something different but all boot. Flashing the wrong model version does not brick the Tablet."
[TouchPad General] HP_TOUCHPAD:
Note: If any symbols shows on the screen, the Tablet is not brick. The <Battery (?)> shows when the battery is very low and needs time to charge to boot up.

From my testing, it does not seem to make a difference, but you can run the 32gb debrick again if you like. Doing the debrick does not delete any data.

Congratulations on another resuscitation!
[TouchPad General] NautTboy:
Ok maybe I shouldn't be happy to soon. At least I see a sign of light.

Can't boot into webos nor android.

Tried webos doctor and failed at 8%

So tried to uninstall Android acmeuninstaller2.

Also failed, cannot start LVM, aborting! Please reboot?

8% error = USB messed up?

What should I try next?
[TouchPad General] HP_TOUCHPAD:
If you want to use Android and there is no data on the Tablet that you need, then you can WiPE_All_Create_Android

Look at Post number 1

Place the Tablet in Recovery Mode ( big usb symbol )

Connect to PC

Open the Folder Repair

Click on Wipe_All version you want to use.

All will be fix to Flash any version of Android
[TouchPad General] NautTboy:
Done, wipe all with 1gb swap.

reran doctor both v300 and v305 and still failed at 8%
[TouchPad General] HP_TOUCHPAD:
I do not know why you are using WebOS Doctor.

Once the WIPE_All_Android is flash is to only use Android ONLY as in this guide:

https://xdaforums.com/t/hp-touchpad-optimize-for-all-android-roms-with-swap-partition.3901773/

After WIPE_ALL is done, TRWP Recovery is used to flash any Android ROM
[TouchPad General] NautTboy:
ok another miscommunication. I want dual boot as before. As what i've read. To reset Webos i need to remove android.

I followed this thread https://xdaforums.com/t/guide-factory-condition-restoration-downgrade-to-webos-3-0-0.1426244/ and got from 8% to 12% failure. Good sign so far. Now i guess i have to follow another one with 12% issue.
[TouchPad General] HP_TOUCHPAD:
To partition the Tablet for WebOS, load the TP ToolBox and Recreate WebOS

Then use the WebOS Doctor to flash WebOS
[TouchPad General] NautTboy:
Yep i did that and it told me volume/storage already configured.

I'm running JCsulin cm11 at the moment i'll tackle WebOS on another day.

At least it was revived.
[TouchPad General] DoubleStuff:
Hello @NautTboy and @HP_TOUCHPAD

I thought JCSullins CM11 is KitKat4.4, I thought google play store apps are not supported anymore for KitKat4.4, and as of late, I can't seem to side load any APK files to my JCSullins CM11 build, are you having any issues with Google play store, or side loading APK files NautTboy ??

OK I knew about APK mirror website, but did not know you can filter by Android version, I will give it a shot to get Android 4.4 apps.
[TouchPad General] NautTboy:
Because it's the most stable and games my kids like are older games anyway. Be nice if YouTube works
[TouchPad General] HP_TOUCHPAD:
@DoubleStuff, here is a link to the supported Android version by Google.

https://www.lifewire.com/android-versions-4173277

In my opinion, it really does not matter if the Android ROM is supported or not, it is all about the App you want to use.

The Play store is not needed it to use Free Apps and security updates does not matter if the Tablet is use for entertainment.

There are many ways to install Apps, here is one:

https://aurorastore.org/
[TouchPad General] DoubleStuff:
Thanks @HP_TOUCHPAD the lifewire is an interesting read about the "tasty" history of Android versions, I joined XDA when Kit Kat was being built into the ROMs. Then came Lollipop, Marshmallow, Nougat, Oreo and PIE.

As per the Aurora store, notice the disclaimer they have at the bottom of the download page:

"You need a device running on at least Android 5.0 to install the Aurora Store."

So it probably won't work for KitKat 4.4, but I can use APKMirror.
[TouchPad General] HP_TOUCHPAD:
All Apps have their own requirement based on the Operating System, Android.

It is also important to know if the App is downloaded from another source (APK Mirror), that is compatible with the Android version. Otherwise, the user may think that is the ROM that has a problem, and they are not aware that is not compatible.

The greatest feature of the Tablet, thanks to the developer community, is the freedom to flash any ROM and use it in any way, in a simple and quick process without the worries of getting brick.
[TouchPad General] JetsetterJason:
Okay so it's Feb 2024 and this thread is still alive. I've been a lurker for some time, thought I could revive my 32Gb Touchpad from dead without bothering you experts but I finally created an account cause I'm stuck.

History - bought a 32 Gb Touchpad during the fire sale of a million years ago. Never did much with it, loaded AOL, put some porn on it, put it away in a drawer and forgot about it for the better part of a decade. That's about it, barely used, perfect physical condition, no bulging of battery. I think once several years ago I got it to show the charge icon on the screen with the original charge brick and a different USB cable. Right now I have the original power brick, I don't think I have the cable, BUT I do have a touchstone wireless charger. At this point, the Touchpad doesnt do anything. No amount of charging via USB or touchstone gets it to even blink. No combination of button presses or button holds, it's dead dead dead dead dead.

I did manage to run the tpedebrick script, I had to use my old windows laptop cause my new laptop would not run the script or recognize the touchpad when I plugged it in? So anyway ,on my old windows 10(?) HP laptop it ran the debrick thing, it took a couple tries cause there's a part where you have to press some buttons on the touchpad, but I got it to run all the way through and I thought I was homefree for debrick,..but at some point near the end, it shows battery life, mine was at 0%. Then it charges for a while and I think the script shows battery life again and it should have gone up? like to 1-2%? No, Mine still said 0%. Keep in mind through all of this, nothing happens with the touchpad, no light no nothing, but stuff is running on my laptop so It seems to be working with the hardware I guess powered by the usb....After this, I'm told, just leave the TP on the charger for days,...I've given it weeks, nothing, Not an led, screen flicker, beep nothing. This is on USB for weeks and seperately on the Touchtsone for weeks, and I even tried USB plus the touchstone at one point though I don't know if that is even a thing. I made sure the environment was warm when I attempted charging.

Even though my battery is not swollen or anything, is it safe to say that after not charging it for years and years and years it's just unrevivable? Should I attempt to open my TP to inspect the battery? Is there another way to jump start it? I tried a few times with the plug unplug method, but again I dont have the original cable so I'm not 100% sure that works, and I dunno if seat, unseat works the same way with the touchstone.

Any assistance is appreciated.
[TouchPad General] HP_TOUCHPAD:
What is the room temperature where the Tablet is being charge?

The battery must be warm before it can start charging.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/graphics/2024/01/18/evs-cold-weather-how-to-charge-help/72254406007/

Make sure the Tablet is properly place in the Touchstone.

The best position to charge the Tablet in the Touchstone:

Facing the Tablet, Power Key to the left, Home Key to the right.

Speakers at the bottom

Landscape (Horizontal) position.

Room temperature above 80, use a hair dryer and slowing warm the Tablet at the front ( screen ) while connected and charging in the Touchstone.

Once the Home Key LED lights turns on, is charging.

Good luck !
[TouchPad General] JetsetterJason:
The tablet was kept at 84 degrees Fahrenheit when charging by using an electric heating pad. I was able to check that the tablet was at that temp with an infrared heat gun.

Yes I had it in the proper positions, both landscape and portrait for over a week each while keeping it warm, and the touchstone plugged into the wall. I still have the box and instructions for both the touchpad and the touchstone so I know it was in the proper position. But no luck getting it to pick up any charge.
[TouchPad General] HP_TOUCHPAD:
But what is the actual ambient room temperature where the Tablet is charging?

The battery is the one that needs to be over 80 F, not just the Tablet, screen or plastic cover.

How do you know the Touchstone is actually working?

Get a USB cable and the original wall charger and do a test on another device to make sure it is working, then start charging the Tablet and heat it up.
[TouchPad General] JetsetterJason:
Sure, the room temp was kept at 80F. I used the heating pad to raise the tablet itself to 84F and kept at that temp for several hours so I am sure the battery inside was at least 80F the ambient temp in the room.

Also, there is no way to know the Touchstone is working as there is no power light or indicator on it. The USB cord for the touchstone is hardwired to the back of it. There is USB-A at the charger end. It was new in box and I have confirmed with a multimeter that the charger works and is outputting ~5.3V. So unless the hardwired cable which has barely been used has a short somewhere, it's safe to assume the Touchstone is working. There's no physical damage to the cable and I used a tone generator to trace a signal from the USB-A end of the cable to where it enters the back of the Touchstone and have a strong signal. I'm fairly certain the Touchstone is functional.

I have heard things about LI ion batteries freezing up or crystalizing after being drained for a time? Again I hadnt charged the Touchpad in almost the decade since I got it. No physical damage or drops to the tablet and no swelling of the batteries, is there a way to jump it with another battery? Similar to a car battery jump starter, but at 5V not 12.
[TouchPad General] HP_TOUCHPAD:
It is winter in the Northern Hemisphere, so depending on your geographical location, getting the battery to start charging could be a challenge. But as long as the room is in the 80s and the Tablet is warmer, then it should fine.

Correct, that is why to use the original wall charger or equivalent to start charging it. Always try charging another device to verify it does work.

Depending on where the Tablet and Touchstone was stored for so long, it may impact the functionality. Temperature, humidity, and other environmental conditions will determine for how long the electronics components will last.

It is somewhere on this forum from last year, a user that bought a Tablet seal in the original retail box and after a while it did woke up and charged.

Li-ion batteries have a board with a chip, in the Tablet is the A6. It detects the resistance of the cells and determine to allow charging.

Charger connects to the mother board of the battery, the board check for resistance of the cells, then allows to keep charging or stop.

It is not a direct connection from charger to battery cells and a jump start is not going to work but could damage the board.

But, every time a charger is connected and only for a very short amount of time, less than a second, the board allows a little more electricity like a mini jump start. That is the process of intermittent charging, connect charger for about 10 seconds, off 5 seconds then on 10 seconds and keep the cycle while maintaining the battery warm over 80s. If you have a timer to turn On/Off, then connect it to the charger and set it for a day and see if it wakes up. I will not use the Touchstone as there is no way to test if it really works, use the original HP wall charger and again test it on another device. You can also try a hair dryer to warm it up while it is jump-starting.

If after a week, nothing happened, then open the Tablet and inspect the inside for any possible damage.