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[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Don't thank me, when I got the pre-release Fuze I asked if anyone could get the software for me, and sub69 extracted the software for the TV-out as well as the FM radio and posted them for me. He's the one who gets all the credit. :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] naveen:
i will pm him as well, but thank you for pointing me in the right direction.:D
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] clburns1:
So any new updates on the release date besides the expected oct 23rd?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Nope, the only info we have is that sheet leaked by BGR... Nothing's changed.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] doctajay:
I really hope this thing is released on Oct. 23rd. I'm eligible for an upgrade and with me already owning a Tilt I'm trying to figure out whether I should use my upgrade to get a $199 iphone or a hopefully $299 Fuze. Decisions decisions.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Theutus:
I had the iphone for 13 days before I couldn't stand it anymore... It's slow, it's impractical as hell for responding to e-mails, exchange integration sucks horribly, and overall it's just an over-hyped toy with terrible battery life.

I honestly wouldn't even consider the Iphone and the TP in the same category.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
A month or 2 delay shouldn't be the deciding factor in what phone you purchase. This is a very big purchase, not only $200-300 but 2 years in a contract, so you should wait and buy the phone that's best for you. After I sold the Fuze I've been dealing with a Sony Ericsson w810i, and I'm going to wait around (probably months) to find the best phone for me. I want something for AT&T with Android, and even if it takes 6 months, it'll be worth it for the next 2 years.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] clburns1:
Egh, so far I haven't been that impressed with android. From what I have seen it appears very glitchy and has a late 90's look to the os. The only cool thing is being able to drag and drop icons on the desktop, which the xperia x1 can easily do. However I'm more interested in the style of the phone, ease, and power behind the hardware. Which I still think the Fuze is where to go. My only other option out has been the x1, which I fell like AT&T will destroy it too when it's released.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] clburns1:
Trust me if you are used to the Tilt, you will probably hate the iPhone. In my area no one can even use their iPhone(the old non-3g version). The iPhones have been taking up too much of the edge network complicating the signals and making it so people don't even receive text messages until 24hrs later. The iPhone is a basic phone with a few cool designs and look to it. However, in the real world it's not much more than a phone that can play music and surf the internet. It still has the poor keyboard, poor MMS functions, no tethering option, can't record videos, wm6+ has 100's of thousands of applications you just have to find them, and my personal favorite option with a wm6 phone is the bluetooth keyboard. I have mentioned that many times on this thread and I love taking my keyboard to class and typing up all of my notes on it. Honestly, getting an iPhone compared to Tilt would be taking a step back in the usefulness of cellphones. WM to iPhone is like a portable laptop to an mp3 player. Hope this helps in your decision.

On a side not, I busted my tilt about a month and a half ago (by dropping a the corner of a 25lb wood board on the screen) and had the option of getting another one or getting the iPhone 3g for free. My screen is cracked and it has to stay with the keyboard exposed for it to recognize my SIM card, but I have still decided to wait this long for the Fuze. Black is right, a month or 2 isn't gonna kill ya with a working phone already, the Fuze is worth the wait.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] clburns1:
Yeah i know i've posted like 3 times in a row, but you know how much I love this thread :). Well I have a question that I actually made a new thread for. I was wondering if it would be possible to put Xperia on the Fuze as an application, still being able to use the original Fuze rom. If any of you have any ideas or suggestions post it here please: Xperia on the Fuze
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] doctajay:
You know its funny. I actually bought the iPhone a month ago, used it for like 3 weeks and then I gave it to my wife (who I had tried to get to like WM but its too hard for her to learn). Needless to say she loved the iPhone for its ease of use. My previous question was whether I should buy another one, but from your advice and my previous experience I think I'll wait for the Fuze. Hopefully it doesn't have the GPS lag and all the other problems.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Glitchy?

http://www.xataka.com/2008/09/24-htc-touch-hd-y-t-mobile-g1-en-video

Looks pretty smooth to me, especially considering it's the first ever software a month before the device releases. Considering what TF3D looks like on the stock HTC ROM (glitchy, laggy, can't keep up), I don't think there's any room to criticize Android from a Touch Pro point of view.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
Owned. lol but seriously I think Android is an awesome platform. It has so much potential to be great. But I'm not sure it could eat out WM in the long run. If yu were Google, wouldn't that be your goal?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Theutus:
I think it would be entirely unfair to judge Android anytime soon.. The whole idea behind it is that the community will take ahold of it and shape it into whatever it needs to be. More so than WM. I am willing to bet that within 6 months to a year it'll be a pretty tough little competitor. :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Back to the Fuze, I just talked to a source from AT&T (no, not a teen who works in a retail store selling phones) who told me he'd be surprised if the Fuze released on October 23rd. Didn't have an exact date, but when I asked about release he said "end of this year/early next".
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] fhsieh:
Not really, no. Even WM users run most of their browser searches through Google (among other Google services, like gmail and maps).

If I were Google, my goal would be to replace the vast majority of non-internet-capable phones (some 2bil+ handsets) with phones that are capable of basic internet connectivity, and set the default browser homepage to google.com. With Android, that's going to happen: after all, for all the other companies that aren't Apple (like Nokia, Motorola, or any other "vanilla" phone your carrier gives you for free), why not install an OS that is capable of rivaling WM and iPhone, but is absolutely free and has almost no overhead cost since everything comes from the developer community?

It's funny to see all the back-and-forth banter about Android-vs-iPhone/WinMo/BlackBerry. Funny, because Google is after something that is way larger than any current smartphone platform, and most analysts seem to be blissfully unaware of it.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Theutus:
That is disappointing news to say the least... Looks like this time next month i'll be moving over to sprint. :(
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Well, I'd wait around a few weeks to see if the 10/23 pans out... This guy is a regional tech so he probably has a good idea, but he didn't have an exact date to give me, so it's a possibility his estimation is a little off.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] kdeezy:
The phone will be released in October
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Theutus:
Care to back that up with any info? Like where you heard it? :rolleyes:
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mobley:
a bit off the subject but would anyone else be a little pissed if someone posted (in video) your phone number on the web?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
That was a demo model at the release announcement I believe, so I'm guessing they were all fake numbers pre-loaded. I've often wondered that about review videos I see online, but most of the big phone junkies know by now to change a few digits in the first contact's number so people don't abuse it. Only one way to find out... HAHA kidding, don't try it. :P
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Scoop3:
According to my source, I've been told "a november time-frame".

Granted this was about 3 weeks ago, but they said they really didn't have any official'ish news other than sometime in November...

I'm Hopin' for Oct. 23rd tho :D

Really can't wait for a new toy... Bought my Girlfriend an iPhone, and... although I thought I wanted one, after playing with it for a good amount of time, It's really quite lackluster and unimpressive...

The only thing apple has going, is the fact that there are so many supporters via 3rd party software / hardware / what have you... WM is definitely > iPhone OS...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Well, another thing they have is that capacitive touch screen. You can't "flick" with a normal touch screen like you can with that thing, ask anyone who has a Diamond or Raphael and they'll tell you it takes more pressure. It almost feels like there has to be a press and drag, not a flick.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
Is there no way to lower the Pressure Threshold like with other devices?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Sebrina:
I don't remember how AT&T (US) operates in regards to new phone releases anymore because I just recently re-subscibed and got my son a phone for school, but don't they normally "show off" the phone in some of media (tv, internet, radio etc...) about a month before the release date?

Or are they just spontaneous about it? I own an 8125 (Wizard) from way back when and since I just commited to another 2 years with my son's phone I'm looking for something for myself I really don't want a tilt but this phone seems awesome! Can anyone recall how they do releases? Do they openly advertise prior to release or are they just silent about it most of the time? I think if it was on Oct. 23rd and they usually advertised we would have heard something by now, no?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Using Schaps AdvancedConfig, or even going into the registry and editing it yourself, you can put the pressure threshold to highest sensitivity... And it's still not even close to iPhone-like. You really need a capacitive screen to get the feeling that you barely need to touch the screen, it's just not sensitive enough on the Raphael.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
They usually keep it under wraps until very soon before the release. It's possible it'll release the 23rd and we still haven't heard anything, just sit tight. :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
Damn..... hmmm... Well, while that isn't a deal breaker for me, it is definitely something to think about. I know on my 8525, i threw the pressure threshold as high as it would go and every time something touched the screen, it flew out of control. I blew on it once and it scrolled pretty smoothly :cool:.

Maybe the AT&T is working with HTC to try and bang out all the dents and dings in the the TP/Fuze. Maybe. But I'll still be getting the phone sometime after it's finally released. The screen thing isn't something I can concern myself with until I use one first hand.

Black, you had your pre-release for a while; what issues did you have with it?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Surprisingly, not much at all... I hated how the phone turned the screen off during phone calls (NoSleep!!!.cab fixed that)... Oh, this one thing really bugged me. When the phone was connected to the computer, and you hit the lock button, it disconnected from activesync like you just turned the phone off. I once had to reformat my MicroSD because I corrupted it, I was in the middle of a file transfer, wasn't thinking and locked the screen. !!!

That's one thing I could never fix. Once upon a time I was scrolling the programs list and I scrolled it so fast the thing froze, but it never happened again... And, umm.. What else.

The speaker is in the perfect place so that when you set it down on the table it gets muffled. And that's officially everything that ever bothered me with the phone. :P
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
My 8525 did the same to my SD card during a flash. LOL I don't think I'll ever scroll fast enough to freeze the phone, unless I'm in class bored as hell, but I can understand how it happened.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sdlopez83:
I think the Iphone uses a heat sensitive screen. This is wh the pressure is so sensitive and responsive.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Capacitive touch screens...

So there it is, the Fuze will never be quite iPhone-like because with the iPhone you don't even need to actually touch the screen. The G1 also has a capacitive touch screen.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
WOW! That is ****ing beautiful. And you're telling me that as cool as the TP is, HTC couldn't toss a capacitive screen on it? Now I'm curious as to why...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
*Shrug*... That's why I'm waiting, without a capacitive touch screen there's no possibility of multi-touch with the Touch Pro. I want the first Android phone that comes out for AT&T, assuming it has similar or better specs than the G1... Hopefully it'll look a little better, but I could deal with a G1 as long as it worked on AT&T 3G.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
Double post
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mynameisplayer:
does so do multi touch....

Theres a vid on utube or the like that shows either a diamond or a tp in some touch calibration mode. it shows a user drawing two independant lines simultaneously. more importantly when does the fuze come out? tesltra still no word on tp release for 850 3g, and htc will wait till telstra release then they will.....
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Fuze sounds like it'll be either late October or into November.

Yes, the bottom part of the device, the buttons, are touch sensitive and support multi-touch. Too bad the screen itself, y'know, the part you actually use for everything touch-related, isn't. There are 0 parts of the software that use the touch-sensitivity of the buttons, so as much as it's cool, it's completely useless.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
You're right to a certain extent. With Schap's AdvancedConfig and FTouchSL the flicking does happen. No press and drag. I've tried this and it works. I'll agree it won't be like the iPhone's responsiveness, but it is pretty darn close.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
*Shrug*, I had the threshold set to its most sensitive and it still didn't compare with an iPhone. You don't exactly have to hold down and pull along the screen, but it's FAR from what the iPhone can do. It just selects something instead of scrolling if you barely swipe your fingertip across it.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
Yeah I just tried out my friends iPhone so I could see the multi-touch for myself and it is impressive. The rest of it not so much. But the on-screen motions were so fluid it was a little weird lol. That capacitive screen makes a real difference I guess. So is that what the G1 uses for its drag and drop "desktop"?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Well the G1 has a capacitive screen, that's what it uses for everything. :P

I'm sure Android will need a bit of perfecting, tweak this remove that add that, but I think it'll turn out to be the best out there.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
I think I'll have to agree with you on that. If Office Mobile can be ported over to Android then I'm sold lol. I use Word pretty much daily so that's what's important to me.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Well, out of the box I think it has the ability to read Office documents, but can't edit them. The greatest thing about Android, unlike OSX, it's not an issue of what's allowed. I'm sure this problem will be solved purely because there are many who want it to be, as with the exchange support (or lack thereof) and video recording. I wouldn't be surprised if developers of products like OpenOffice run to Android, and that would fix that right away.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
this thread is about the fuze and the release of it not android

thanks
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Android is more important

thanks

Haha no, kidding. But not really.

I think sidetracking is okay as long as it never gets too far, in this thread we've seen discussion of the Fuze, Touch HD, G1, I'm sure there's been a little of everything... It's not getting confrontational, so I don't see it as a problem. Mods/admins, if there's an issue with any posts you see here please let me know asap and I'll edit/stop/sit/jump/roll over as you request.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
haha sorry id been drinkin and i wanted new info on the fuze my bad

but what about android is really so revolutionary?? i mean its open so it certainly beats the iphone but compared to windows theyre both customizable so whats the big difference?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Theutus:
I think google is going after the iphone/simple user crowd moreso than the winmo users... Either way this creates competition in the market, which in turn fuels innovation.... It's really a good thing for all of us that such a big player stepped up to do something like this, even if we have no intentions of leaving winmo.

Anything that forces Microsoft to step up their game, or to adapt features included in other OS's is a good thing. :cool:
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
You can edit ANYTHING about Android. With iPhone, you need to jailbreak your phone for stupid features like video recording, and then when the next update comes out you need to wait until you can jailbreak that as well. With Android, you want a program that does video recording? They won't stop you, go for it. You want a program that supports exchange? Go for it, do it up. From the factory it doesn't come with an on screen keyboard, I'd bet a year's salary those will pop up in no time, and Google won't restrict a thing. I just don't understand Apple, why would you keep people from customizing your device to make it better? Why can't they record video with their own programs, or, if not, WHY DON'T YOU MAKE A PROGRAM FOR THEM TO RECORD VIDEO? They're putting ridiculous restrictions in the software (no MMS, no video recording, no copy/paste, etc) and then not allowing the users to improve it without going behind Apple's back. This is why Android will be so revolutionary, it's an open source, FREE (WM still charges for licensing) operating system that has no restrictions on developing at all. It keeps the "marketplace" (app store) which makes it easy to get utilities, games, etc without a hitch... But they don't filter what can and can't go up because they don't want you having that feature.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sdlopez83:
Let it be broken down. One could say that Black is an android enthusiast.

But I agree that competition breeds excellence and Microsoft is no where near excellent. MS Definately needs to get on its game a little more. Well if android will be as good as you say it will be. The motivating factor for MS and Apple will be brought forth when Android causes them to get hit in there pockets.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
I agree with Black with regards to all he's saying about Google and Android. The fact that Android truly is an open OS makes it that much more appealing to me because I can't really afford to pay for licenses for some of the current WinMo apps like the SPB Mobile Shell for example. I think that the Shell makes WinMo just a tad easier to use and a little prettier as well, but I'm not going to drop 30 bucks to get it or pay 15 for the updates. Now lets say that, in regards to the Fuze, AT&T and HTC decide to pull our shorts over our heads and throw Android on the Fuze at some point. How many of us would jump on that thing in a heartbeat? (my hand flies into the air faster than the Challenger) But I'm sure the odds of that happening are slim. But there still could be a good chance of a WinMo 7 update hitting the Fuze at some point right? With the Fuze's GSensor and ridiculous memeory I think it could handle it.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
Lol. But to me. It is a necessity. I literally COULDN'T live without my phone. No lie. I'd go dillousional. Just tell your your wife to hide your phone for a week and lets see how you'd survive.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] 10332007:
I want more official info from ATT. I hope they dont change the keyboard or gimp the phone too much. I know we can download a lot of apps to make it have the same sort of function as the rest of the world. So I hope they keep it normal. My s730 is a year old and I would gladly sell it and get this for the features that were stupidly dropped from the preproduction to the production version.

I use my phone for a lot of different things so its worth it to get the functionality I want. I keep phones for quite a while if they work and do what I want and would not be looking if the s730 had not changed so much or not be supported by HTC :(

I hope the price isnt too outragious but we shall see.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Mrjasjam:
So with this de-featured version maybe they will bring it to market at a much lower price for those who dont like 1k price tag. Then for those who do want the features simply go shopping elsewhere. Sounds reasonable to me...but then again I think unreasonably sometimes :-)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
of course it will be cheaper. even without a contract i cant see it going above 600

but with one it should be 250 is my guess at most. im up for an upgrade so hoping its next month
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Bxsteez:
I seriously doubt it will be 250. The tilt cost more than that even now unless u get one of those stupidly expensive pda data plans.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
when we carried it at best buy mobile we had it for like 200. no rebates no certain plans you had to get

plus phones are just selling cheaper now because of iphone and such
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Bxsteez:
I actually meant right now the tilt from att isn't even 250 its 300. Although there might be a black friday sale where its free like the tilt was. :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
Omgawd. If there is a black friday sale and it's free. I'm camping outside a AT&T store. Who's with me! :D I'd probably upgrade my mom or dad's contract and buy it and give them my tilt. (Parents not so tech savvy/don't like too advance phones)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] wshader:
Tilt is free every once and awhile on letstalk.com.... so it may be possiable to find the fuze (I think I used to go to a titty club with that name) around 300 shortly after release.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
i dont care how much it is at this point. my 8525 is effed and i just want it. if people could pay 1000 il live with 300 haha
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
Free doesn't always work. I hate sites like letstalk =/ all bs. I bought my blackjack from letstalk and never got my rebate back. I was so pissed and they said it's not valid for some gay reason. They wouldn't tell me what and just said it's not valid. I was like wtf.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Bxsteez:
I here that!!!! If you have the 8525 hell yes u need to upgrade to the fuze. I'd say go for it!! I'm gonna buy it for 840 once i get confirmation that 3G will work.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
I'm going to find it a bit weird sliding the other way. You'll have no problem if you had a 8525 which slides the same way. But it'll be weird. My friend has a 8525 and i kept sliding it the wrong way since I was so used to my tilt. lol
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
yeah glad they switched it back from the way the tilt was. i never liked that. i love being able to use the directional pad with my right hand. much easier
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
For you it's easier. I'm left-handed. The left side is easier for me. Maybe they should make variants lol one that slides left and other that slides right. That'd be pretty cool.