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[Touch Pro, Fuze General] juls6:
Well, he never said it was a non-disclosure meeting so I guess its OK.

Both my ATT rep(s) and HTC rep, in a face to face meeting and hands on with the Fuze (altered touch pro).

ironically, neither att rep were aware of the new phone name or features - LOL, I knew more then they did.

I saw someone else posted who knows an ATT rep said sept 20-something for release date, I wish that were true; but since they didn't even have the eval model yet, I'm betting the Oct date to be correct.

(this was a corporate meeting - as you see i am T-Mobile for my personal)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
We'll find out who's right and how's wrong on Sep 29th :P
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] clburns1:
Kraize, if you are right than you made me happier than a little school girl. This to me is the most anticipated item of 2008!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jkmiec3rd:
I'll second that!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
any new rumors?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] bartimeus:
I heard from an AT&T rep that they weren't even sure if they were getting it lol
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Madcap180:
I talked to a friend of mine in purchasing at AT&T and he has heard nothing about it either. However, he has heard of the X1 coming to AT&T.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
if AT&T doesn't get this phone I'll be pissed!!!

:mad: <-- like that guy
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sdlopez83:
My friend is a rep and he knows nothing. Reps are like mushrooms they get fed **** and are kept in the dark.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] wshader:
Exactly, they have the same infomation we do. Asked an att guy today about the touch pro and he was like "the bold?" I'm like no you idiot the new htc phone... "oh well I heard there may be one, but are you intrested in the bold? Should be coming in by the end of the month" Just shook my head and walked away
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
Those are the idiot reps. Most reps are not into the WM department. They're just interested in "OH SHINY NEW IPHONEY!" rofl. The people I know have extensive knowledge in the WM department. How should those people know when they don't even care about it. Ask the people that care. Next time you go somewhere and find a guy/gir that is very good in wm, ask him/her.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sdlopez83:
We know, we know. You have an inside source. No one is knocking your info Kraize. Good job on gettin that info btw.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] volcomnator999:
i asked this girl that knows her stuff at my local at&t store an she said her coworker went to a seminar on the touch pro..and they will be releasing it. so yes at&t is getting it:D
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] svanheulen:
Well I decided to do some research on my own because I'm always skeptical of the rumors people come up with. I ended up calling HTC a couple times and I couldn't get any info out of them. Maybe I wasn't talking to the right people or I was asking the wrong questions. Then I tried the online support chat on AT&Ts website and they didn't know anything about it. So I tried calling the AT&T store near my house and the person I talked to didn't seem like he knew what he was doing but he asked the other people there and no one seemed to to know anything about it. Then I remembered there is another AT&T store that I pass on my way to work so I pulled up to a house about seven or eight, and I yelled to the cabby yo, home smell you later, looked at my kingdom I was finally there, to settle my throne as the prince of bel-air.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] herg62123:
LMAO ROTFL WWTH2 Breathe (Laughing My Ass Off, Rolling On The Floor Laughing Way Way To Hard 2 Breathe)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] technillion:
That's EF-n hilarious!!!!!!

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[Touch Pro, Fuze General] atsitalian:
Proof ATT is getting a phone called the Fuze?

Go the following link on AT&T website:

http://www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/phones-devices/pda-windows-mobile.jsp

In the top right search field type in "fuze" in lower case letters without the quotes then search. A link will come back that says: "... HTC FUZEâ„¢(touch screen) HTC takes Windows MobileÂ® smartphone design to the next

level with the introduction of the highly desirable and elegant HTC FUZEâ„¢. ... "

When yo go to the link the fuze is not mentioned but I am thinking they must be updating the website and hiding the info until launch day... Sept 29th I hope as Kraize has "predicted".
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
i think one of atts spies caught your trick there cause i just tried and it came back with no hits
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
i just did it and i saw it. now im excited again!!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] atsitalian:
Here is the screen shot

Attached is the screen shot I "captured"
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
OFF TOPIC: vista rocks FTW!!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] garydchi:
ATT can hide it...but Google does not...

First time poster - long time reader...

I just searched Google using "site:wireless.att.com fuze" and found the following article on ATT site (using google cache)

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cach...ireless.att.com+fuze&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

HTC FUZE™(touch screen)

HTC takes Windows Mobile® smartphone design to the next level with the introduction of the highly desirable and elegant HTC FUZE™. The multi faceted HTC FUZE™ is a 3G tri-band HSDPA Windows Mobile smartphone brought to you by AT&T, which allows you access to the world and to a world of features. Going on a trip? Whether it's a spring break cruise to the islands or a business meeting in Hong Kong, AT&T has you covered with the HTC FUZE™. With the largest international footprint of any wireless provider and the powerful HTC FUZE™, only AT&T customers can make and receive calls in more than 200 countries and on 75 major cruise ships. The HTC FUZE™ for AT&T also offers e-mail and Web browsing capabilities in more than 145 countries. The world is your office with Windows Mobile 6.1 Professional and the HTC FUZE™. Get full access to your Microsoft Outlook mailbox, contacts, calendar, notes, and tasks; edit Microsoft Office documents or view Adobe® PDF attachments; or take advantage of support for multiple email applications including Microsoft Direct Push, Good™ Mobile Messaging, and Blackberry® Connect™.

The HTC FUZE™ is a powerful smartphone that features a large VGA touch screen that includes HTC’s one touch single handed operation TouchFlo 3D user interface for quick access to most used phone features. The HTC FUZE™ includes an AT&T defined 5 row slide out / slide away keyboard for quick text entry and ultra fast messaging. The HTC FUZE™ is one of the most integrated wireless smartphone on the market today. The HTC FUZE™ keeps you connected with email, text and instant messaging, Internet access, personal organizer, video, satellite radio, and more—all at broadband speeds. Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, GPS navigation, and Push to Talk round out the robust feature package making the HTC FUZE™ your “ultimate mobile smartphone”.

Get to your destination quicker using voice-guided directions and real-time traffic information from AT&T Navigator. When work is done, relax with AT&T’s Cellular Video (CV) service. Browse the web using a browser like the one on your desktop – zoom in and zoom out. Catch up on the most recent news or enjoy the latest music videos, HBO Mobile®, or sports on ESPN®. Download hot, new music with AT&T Mobile Music or stream XM Satellite radio.

Whether you’re a mobile professional or a professional mobile user, the HTC FUZE™ is the “ultimate mobile smartphone” that allows you to be in charge of your life at work and at play —virtually wherever you go
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] atsitalian:
That is the same site I found. The website must have been populating when I stumbled upon it. Should not be long now....
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
Yep. See. I think my date will prove to be right :D
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
I hope so too Kraize or POW right i the kisser
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] atsitalian:
I hope so... Got caught-up in the iPhone craze and took the plunge and have been pretty much regretting it ever since. Need to come back to a device that caters more to my professional needs.... Can't get the fuze soon enough.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
come on fuze!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] gridpool:
A troll replies...

<trolling>I think I want one too... My Tilt is getting old @ 4 months...</trolling>
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] clburns1:
Wow, I actually stopped this thread for like 3 days (not willingly) and so much has happed. I felt like I could have shed a tear when I saw the website, haha. Thank to those who found it on google and the one who posted the picture of the site. My tilt's screen cracked and I am very impatiently waiting for this phone. My tilt has been used for so much (such as using a bluetooth keyboard and typing notes in class) and has been a great phone, however I believe that the Fuze (Touch Pro) is going to blow the tilt out of the water. I don't know if I can wait till the 29th...hopefully Kraize is right! At that point in time the technological part of my life will be complete, or atleast for a couple of years!

P.S. if none of you have seen this, some of you should check out the series of video review on it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQb1dJT927o
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] tpanar:
When in doubt, hit up google's cache.

http://74.125.95.104/search?q=cache...4R0FZCFFI+fuze+at&t&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=11&gl=us

Bugger it, I was a page behind in thinking, or at least in posting. Anyways, anyone else notice only 'tri-band' support. Does this mean the radio stack is going to be even more different than the european model?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] stpete111:
It's tri-band HSDPA... meaning it's a true world-phone like the Tilt. I'm sure the GSM radio will be quad-band.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
beat me to that answer lol
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] stpete111:
Doesn't Sansa have an mp3 player called the "Fuze?" Seems like that would cause issues if AT&T released a phone with that name. I guess we'll see how much Sansa gives a rat's ass.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
yeah they do. my first mp3 player was a 2gb sansa. but i think AT&T would keep the Fuze namesake if they so chose. im sure they would find away around the legal and trademark issues. it is AT&T after all :rolleyes:
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] raywright1:
explain the acronyms please

can someone explain what this means? i'm familiar with the bands in use for different parts of the globe, but i get lost in the distinction between voice, data, and both. i've ready the wikis but still it's not clear.

what is HSDPA, GSM, GPRS, and 3G?

i've been following this phone like everyone else and i want a phone that is quad band for (nearly total) global voice coverage and a high speed data connection (i thought that was 3G). but i'm considering getting the euro touch pro rather than the at&t rebrand because the unlocked version has the front camera and the originally-designed htc keyboard layout (and sleek black color rather than at&t blue), but i've read it does not have north america 3G. if that is true, do i miss out on data speed only, or do i miss out on global voice coverage as well? and what does it mean when i read in other places "it will eventually have north america 3G" -does that mean the true htc touch pro will eventually have it, or is someone stating the obvious, that the at&t rebrand will have it, (and if so, will some other band be dropped)?

thanks.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] pazookie:
hsdpa is a highspeed data network protocol (up to 7.2mbps) which is also known as 3.5G and 4G..gsm is your standard sim card utilizing mobile network....gprs was the first all data network protocol which is like 64kbps tops and 3G is 3rd generation (gprs..edge....3g) metwork protocol which allows both voice AND data to be transferred at the same time.. and to the other questions it means that you can only use it in areas that are covered in edge territories for data...voice should work fine anywhere in the usa..and the statement saying it will eventually have it is all guestimations...some say the diamond and touch pro HAVE the hardware bands but just arent utilized by radios yet and some say that the device is manufactored for the geographical location such as europe not using 850/1900 umts thus not creating the hardware radio to support that...its all speculation right now
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] fhsieh:
Here's an easier way to look at it (not entirely accurate, but a good enough jump-start):

2nd gen: GSM is the "base network" (850/900/1800/1900mhz bands), and GPRS/EDGE rides on top of it for data transfer. GPRS/EDGE is considered "2.5G/2.75G" since it's more advanced but not quite 3G.

3rd gen: UMTS is the "base network" (850/900/1700/1900/2100mhz bands), and HSDPA rides on top of it for data transfer. HSDPA is considered "3.5G" for the same reason.

4th gen: hasn't been officialized, but will most likely build on top of 3G technology which is why you might see 3G touted as pre-4G.

All the other details are as stated above. Basically you just need to match what network type/coverage you want with what your carrier provides and what the device is compatible with. Specifically with the Touch Pro, all 2-2.75G is world-capable (GSM voice and GPRS/EDGE data, provided you have a roaming agreement); and we're just waiting to see if there's a way to get the 3G antenna to tune into 1900mhz North America (for 3G voice/video and data).
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] raywright1:
understanding bands

ok that helps a little.

so if i bought an unlocked touch pro today from europe or asia, i could expect voice coverage in the usa over 850 MHz and edge speed for data, both on the at&t network?

i'm trying to identify the performance downside vs. the hardware features i want (front camera and preferred keyboard layout).

EDIT: actually some sites (like pdadb.net) are starting to describe this a little more clearly by explicity stating it this way:

GSM850/GSM900/GSM1800/GSM1900/UMTS900/UMTS2100

so that is very clear and answers my own question.

since pdadb.net also says the diamond is coming soon with GSM850/GSM900/GSM1800/GSM1900/UMTS850/UMTS1900, i suppose there's hope for the touch pro.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] fhsieh:
You are correct. GSM voice and EDGE data are running fine in North America (AT&T). HTC even includes a nice app that will automatically set up your unlocked device with AT&T's network settings.

In all technicality, the North America TouchPro should have the same physical hardware as the Europe/Asia, just tuned to UMTS850/1900mhz frequency. So we're just waiting for an official device to see if that "radio" code can run on the Europe/Asia TouchPro. (A previous AT&T Fuze pre-release hasn't been successful, but that could be because it's a pre-release.) There's no guarantees, but it's been done before with other devices so there ought to be a good chance that the whiz-kids here at XDA will figure it out. ;)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] clburns1:
ok have any of you guys seen this forum http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?p=407614&posted=1#post407614? It's people discussing about how it's coming out for sprint and that they have a contract with HTC to release it 30 days before AT&T so therefor it wouldn't be possible for it to come out by September 29th.... I'm so confused and anxious for this phone!

Edit: ok so I did some research and no one has confirmed the 30day contract from what I have seen....however there are rumors about it.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sdlopez83:
Well as those retards say, we will see in 2 days this wednesday If the sprint info is correct i guess.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] kevinniven:
ATT

Hi All

My brother is one of the many VP's over at AT&T and has been using his pro for about two weeks now. I'm meeting him for drinks tonight and can take some pics if you want? Any questions you want me to ask please post em.:)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] galaxys:
pic's would be good! how is the 3G on it? and does he know a release date?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] kevinniven:
Bestbuy

Best buy is taking preorders on the diamond! Do you guys know if the Diamond will do video out?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] kevinniven:
3g

I just sent him a text and he said the 3g works great! More info to come.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] utvol06:
He didn't say when the HTZ Fuze was going to be released for ATT..surely he knows if he has one already.?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
Can you ask the following if possible:

Release Date

Contract Price

Retail Price

Thanks!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
and also upgrade price

and if he knows if best buy mobile will get it same day as att

aaand if anything was changed besides fm radio software missing and front camera

and see what keyboard layout he has

gracias
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
1. I think upgrade and contract price are the same no? It always was for me. I upgraded my tilt for $300. As it was the contract price then. The FM radio is missing and so is the front camera..

2. Keyboard layout is definitely confirmed to be changed :) Only the unlocked models sell with the green color, but I think you meant about the top row of numbers/symbols right?

3. Beset Buy should not get it the same day as AT&T because it will cost AT&T money. So I don't think they'll get it the same day. They might though.

My two cents.

Kraize
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] kevinniven:
3g pro

He's going to try and get me one for a few day but not sure if one is available.

Did say ATT is excited about the phone! Also said he couldn't say anything about pricing until the 12th He did tell me but asked me not to say. I will say most will be very happy!!!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
Awe :(

So the 12th as in 4 days from now? Or Oct 12th?

So you then have to tell us in 4 days! I won't bother/bug you to hell till then lol.

P.S Very nice avatar ;)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] galaxys:
thanks for the updates...sounds promising! I'll be on the edge of my seat until you spill more beans Sept. 12th!! :eek:
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
I'll be checking this thread every half hour lol :rolleyes:
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
Best buy mobile has been moving up a whole lot lately. i do work there so a bit biased haha but im off for a while since im at school and i dont love em or anything

but they did just get the iphone yesterday (not a fan of that phone though) and they carry unlocked

some phones we get day and date like the instinct we got but some it takes forever but usually thats just second colors and stuff

but prices are almost always better there and instant

and im not sure if i can upgrade with my current employee plan we shall see
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
So will it be cheaper for me to upgrade via BestBuy? Omg have you guys noticed how there is soo much less flamming now since a certain person is gone :rolleyes: *cough* *cough*
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] fhsieh:
No need to bring it up.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] scotchua:
Don't pretend like you had no part in it, i'd tread carefully if i were you. I saw you had been officially warned.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
yeah man i'd watch it if i were you.....

but if that 12th rumor is true i may just pee myself. and i saw on engadget that the FCC approved what could be the Fuze so my fingers are crossed lol
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] I8UB4:
Engadget is reporting that the Fuze has passed FCC approval, so it should be pretty soon.

http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/08/atandt-fuze-gets-fcc-approval/
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
the touch diamond was approved on sprint like 2 months ago i think so it could still be a bit longer

but certainly hoping soon
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
No one really answered my question :/

Anyone know what place offers the cheapest upgrades?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] clburns1:
So... these questions are directed to anyone who can answer:

Does that mean that the release date will be reveled on the 12th as well or just pricing?

By the 12th did you mean in 4 days or am I just blind and didn't read what you guys wrote?

Could the actual release date still be within the month or much longer?

Is there confirmed numbers at the top or are the numbers in the numeric pad style on the right hand side (much less desired by me, it defeats the whole 5th row if it's in the numeric pad style)

Is the "no FM function" going to be software or hardware issue, because I kind of think it would be cool to have an FM radio since no one has portable ones anymore, especially with any good signal.

Did you VP brother think it was without a doubt the best phone he has ever used!?!?! (you don't really have to answer that question unless it's "Duh, what else would you expect with such and awesome phone")

Last question sorry for so many, is there going to be any preparatory contract that you have to pay a certain amount for this specific high end phone services like the iPhone has, I hope not!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] kevinniven:
Wow

Just got home and i'll be listing my iphone on C list!!!:D He wouldn't let me take pics he is a little afraid of the problems it could cause him. They have 10 pro's they gave out to management and five that get checked out for short periods to others. Friday he is going to let me have it for the weekend so I guess that's something.

I was blown away at how cool this phone truly is! The Touch 3D worked perfect! Also the screen quality is very nice. Ive never seen a phone with such clarity. I went outside and took some pictures with the 3.2 camera and have to say they looked great. The3g speed was very fast, much faster than my iphone or Tilt. He did a speed test and we were downloading at almost 2meg a second. Ill update you when he gives me public info. The good thing is we should know a day or two before the others. I want to say more but out of respect well you know.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
lets see wat i can help with

the fuze that was pre release that black bought was symbols at top but somebody else claims they switched it back to numbers so no confirmation there

the FM is software only he installed the program and it worked fine
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] clburns1:
Wow, when i get this phone I hope those two things you said are true if so I will be happier than ... well just imagine the happiest thing you've ever seen!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
quick question: what did the keyboard layout look like? was it numbers or symbols on top?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] RojasTKD:
Well, a friend of mine was all ready to get a Tilt. I sent her a link about the AT&T Fuze and she really liked it, but was likely to upgrade in a few weeks (already passed).

Asked her today if she got the Tilt and she said se decided to wait because the guy at the AT&T store told her the Fuze would be out in November.

Now personally I put little faith in anything the employees at the AT&T store says, but thought I'd pass that at long for what its worth. Personally I thought we see it some time on Sept. or Oct. Time will tell.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] kevinniven:
weeks

I think before end of month;)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] JimmyMcGee:
Good Job, Try to post a inflammatory thread against someone whom is banned.

You were warned. You will now enjoy some time away from XDA.

If it doesn't contribute to the discussion, don't post it. See you in three days.

To Everyone:

Think about your post before you post it. Does it serve to assist or advance the community? No? Then Don't post it.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] !Kernel Panic!:
*anxiously awaits*......I've been eligible for upgrade since June with my Hermes. And I do not want the Iphone.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
i'm in the same boat as you man. i can't wait for this phone. i personally like the number keypad within the keyboard and symbols on the top row. i just think its more convenient. and to the guy whose bro is an AT&T exec, you lucky bastard lol my bro just a nutty high school freshman :p

EDIT: i know this is a thread for the FUZE but how aout this tantalizing piece of tasty technology?

http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/09/htcs-opal-coming-to-replace-the-aging-touch/
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] kevinniven:
Keyboard

Top row had numbers! The keys did feel kinda cheap. Oh well!