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[Touch Pro, Fuze General] utvol06:
Why not just wait and get the Touch HD that comes out late october early November if you only have Edge speed. Bigger screen, 5MP camera, and headphone jack.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] JaySHO:
I wouldn't be so sure about that. We are having a discussion about the Touch HD over at HoFo. Supposedly it won't be coming stateside, and won't have a version with the American 3G bands... I hope it isn't true, but at this point I don't think there is really a way to be sure. -_-

No HTC Touch HD for the U.S. says HTC
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sdlopez83:
Yes we know Its been stated on this thread and there are other threads about this
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] utvol06:
Your not reading what I posted then. I said Edge speeds..not US 3G bands. the Touch HD is

Quad band GSM

, which allows unlocked

imports

to work on

AT&Ts 850GSM

band at

Edge

2G speeds.

How do you think I'm using my Touch Pro European version without US 3G bands here in the US on AT&T? Not everyone needs 3G or lives in a 3G area so Edge is all they need. In that case importing a German or "European" version is just as good as a native US version.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] nilisco:
Not everyone enjoys paying a $500 premium for a crippled phone. Then again, if I had more money than sense, I suppose I would too.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sdlopez83:
This is a retarded circle... He is merely saying that he doesn't mind paying for the crippled phone because he cannot access 3g because there is a lack of it. If 3g is the crippling factor in your statement. His inavailability to receive 3g in his area discounts that factor. Therefore the unlocked HD phone would be positive endeavor for him and his position.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] JaySHO:
Ah I gottcha. Sorry, I misunderstood your post.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] renegadebmw:
So Engadget.com just posted this...

In case anyone is interested since this is a thread on The "Fuze"
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
That's good news. It was expected though. Either way it's not a bad price. I don't remember who said it, but I wouldn't mind a Euro HD myself. Here on campus I can only access EDGE so 3G isn't even a close factor in my decision. But I have plenty of time. I can't upgrade with AT&T until April.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
well if its 300 before rebates that would be sweeeet since im not sure theyl let me get them because of my employee plan but hell il even pay 400 at this point i need it

just as long as its for sure out this month
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
Yeah I know the feeling. My 8525 is really running on borrowed time. I uninstalled that Manila 2D stuff which help bring it back to speed but I don't think it has much longer. :(
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
I too was trying to stick out, my wizard was about 3 years old, it had already had to have the screen replaced, and this time, when it permanently white-screen-of-death-ed i was not down for forking over another 50 bucks to extend the life of a decrepit phone. i had to go get an at&t go phone to hold me over. here's hoping they release this phone sooner rather than later.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
even the wizards got white screen?

does anyone have knowledge of issues in the tilt or the pro?

i really hope they have it fixed at this point im not going through this again with a new phone
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
yeah, this one did, keep in mind it was a non-oem replacement screen that did it this time (old one cracked).

the only issue/complaint i've seen about the touch pro is because of the flush screen it sometimes answers a call in the pocket...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
i will never complain about a flush screen though. the edges of mine are so dirty and impossible to clean. plus itl be much easier to hit ok now as well

and i want to try that g sensor lock out anyway to no accidental answers with that
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
my thoughts exactly. possible gps lag that afflicted the diamond too, but that should be fixed with software updates...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
I've heard a lot about that GPS issue with the Diamond and Pro. I don't use GPS so I don't give an eff about that lol. I just want to try that GSensor. It's a cool as feature, to me.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
word, i'd imagine my gps sensor will be off unless absolutely necessary, but still cool to have. it really depends if i want to break the bank with a 3g plan from at&t... if so then i'll probably use google maps and such...

the g sensor is a hotly anticpated feature for me, i really cannot wait until we have some homebrew apps that really can use this thing. it has so much possibility... i'm also looking forward to (possibly) being able to use the capactive touch area for not-so-standard uses
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
also, semi-off topic, but if i purchase a fuze, and then flash a new rom to it, will i have voided the warranty for the fuze? its been a while since i've had a legit stock phone, so i'm a little rusty... sorry for the n00b question.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
yeah i have a car gps so the only time il need it is if im with someone else who doesnt and since im at school in the middle of nowhere the most common place i go is walmart :/ or the drink store of course

and there are plenty of cool aps and games out for g sensor already but definetly more to come

and i believe it does void the warranty but im not certain on that
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sdlopez83:
I've warrantied many tilts that I flashed back to stock. They say you have to flash back to stock spl but I never do and I never get any problems from ATT. Ive warrantied 3 htc phones.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
good to hear. i'd hate to be screwed out of a warranty for something reversible like that (granted i voided my original xbox's warranty the day i purchased it (case-opening is non-reversible :D).

is it possible to do a dump of the stock rom? i'd like to do that when i get the phone for archival purposes...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ACMilan07:
I wanted to know, how much is the att fuze going to be without a contract?? I wont be able to resign a 2 year contract to get the phone cheaper.. Is it going to be $400? or ++

would it be a better deal for me to just buy the HTC Touch Pro for $750 USD?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Sebrina:
Without a contract expect it to be in the 500-600 dollar range, don't get the unlocked version if your planning to use it on ATT's network not only is it cheaper to buy it from ATT but sometimes the unlocked versions come from Europe and you end up with a non 3G phone. Not to mention you can buy an unlock from someone on this forum for like I think it was 14 pounds or something like that silly to spend an extra couple of hundred and possibly lose out on the ATT 3G coverage.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Well, just in case, the person who asked the question should know that as long as you flash back to stock ROM and flash back to stock SPL you're 100% golden, but you can't just leave that other ROM on there and expect them to fix it.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Bingo. The European Touch Pro won't get 3G here in the states, so it's much better to wait and spend $549.99 on the AT&T phone itself. If you need an unlock code for the AT&T version after you buy it, PM me and I'll set you up for free. (Yeah that's right, free.) Only because I'm the coolest, and not available to everyone so don't dare flood my inbox with PM's you vultures.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
if you look at the pic of the radioshack system screenshot the fuze will be 549.99 retail from them

so should be same elsewhere hopefully
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Sebrina:
Can I PM you when I get mine since I hit the bingo? :) I'm j/k unless of course your you want to. :p
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Sure, you have special permission. :P

Doesn't cost me anything, I just don't feel like getting 2,394,893 codes, I'm sure everyone on this forum with AT&T wants a free unlock.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sdlopez83:
lol, your crazy black
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Why, because I'll make a 30 second phone call and read an IMEI out loud, then write down an unlock code? Come on dude, it's basic.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ACMilan07:
Thanks black, greatly appreciated

(if your verified on paypal, ill be more than happy to donate $5 USD)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Sebrina:
Oh my . . .

You mean people on this forum are charging others for unlocks and thats how they are doing it?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
No, the people who are charging have a giant list of IMEI numbers and unlock codes for them... They don't even need to make a phone call. However, for any AT&T customer, you can call AT&T and get an unlock code for your phone assuming your account has been in good standing for over 90 days. 1-800-331-0500 for AT&T Customer Service, enter the account you're calling about, verify you're the account holder, tell them you want an unlock code and give them your IMEI number. If they ask why (they've never asked me), acceptable reasons are that you're traveling to Russia and want to use a pay-as-you-go SIM while there, or you're passing this phone on to your brother, who has T-Mobile, before you upgrade your device. Bam, easy as that. I don't know how $50 can be justified when a person's just reading your number off of a list, but hey, who am I to judge?

Final note: DOES NOT WORK FOR IPHONES
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
I agree Black. I think that people charging for unlocks is BS. I called to get my unlock for my 8525. I did just what Black said and told them I was giving it to my mom. An unlocked 3G Fuze is definitely easy to have once you get the phone.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Oh, and by the way, anyone considering a SIM unlock for any of these phones... Try searching eBay for "unlock *your phone here*". Most of the solutions are $5-10 to get an unlock code, some as high as $20 but it's still less than half of what is being sold on here.

Another note: Olinex's unlock solution is NOT like this, just reading numbers off of a list... This discussion was not intended in any way to put them down, that's a home-grown solution to SIM locking as well as CID locking. As for other members who say they can get you an unlock code for any HTC phone... Yeah, $50 for them to copy and paste.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jeffpo:
Hey Thunda, been away from the boards a few days doing my searching and stuff boy have I learned a lot the last few days. Set my forum for 50 posts a page and read over a hundred pages in that thread alone not to mention poking around for other cabs and info on how to do what. Poked around some roms and going to go with HDIII Opal by sakajati. It's here http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=397121 It's an awesome rom. I won't go into the details because that would be off topic, but getting back in the Fuze direction, I am still playing with a Cube rom as well to get that "tf3d" Fuze interface going. But I am trying to play with adding more than the 3 sides. After all cubes have six right. :)

Sdlopez, I apologize if I offended you in my earlier post referring to your reference. I didn't mean to imply you posted. I just didn't make my reference to your reference clear that it was a reference you were making. (Boy that made a lot more sense while I was typing it than re reading it. Anyway I apologize for any offence.

As for the Fuze releasing I do believe it is getting closer and closer. Girlfriend told me today that the company made anyone that was getting one before release like Managers and Assistant Managers sign separate confidentiality aggreements that their usage could only be on Company Official Use lines. They are tracking that usage carefully and if it is discovered to be used on a non COU line they are talking disciplanary action. Exactly what that would be who knows, but my GF's manager has given her 21 year old daughter that phone. She can't even put her sim in it until they officially start selling it in the stores. Even though it's the most hugely anticipated WinMo phone, they probably won't make a huge announcement, just a blurb in the paper or something like that. You willl walk in and it will be on the Live Bars with the other phones. So it is getting closer and closer. Yea!!!!!!!

Catch yall later.

Jeffpo
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Hooray for Fuzes, now go find me information on an Android phone for AT&T. :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] naveen:
good news!!! it looks like we wont be seeing any other kool phones this year on att except for the fuze. cant wait
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sdlopez83:
My friends, (best McCain impression)

@Jeffpo

No worries guy, no offense taken welcome to xda!

@BLack lol thats not why I said your crazy, Ill hit you up on aim.

In other News the HD factory seems to be producing for the US once again. But not in Winmo. This Device will come in Android. So says the rumor.

Its from a German website. ( As posted by Eitum)

http://www.areamobile.de/news/9999.html

Numerous online media report that HTC's new top model HTC Touch HD not in the U.S. will sell. Thus neglected the Taiwanese manufacturer, however, an important sales market and disappointed many fans smartphone. But instead, it is already speculated plan HTC and T-Mobile Android a variant of the HTC Touch HD. The blog Phonedog.com refers to two sources, according to which T-Mobile USA and HTC Touch on a HD work with Google's smartphone operating system. However, none of the sources comes from one of the two companies.

According to the information provided by the technical components of the HTC Touch HD with Android OS compared to the conventional version with Windows Mobile 6.1 identical. If the rumors that his HTC Touch HD in the U.S. only as Android version sold, profiting mainly from T-Mobile's business. As the Android phone G1 would also touch the HD exclusively at T-Mobile USA is available and a strong competition for the so far successful BlackBerry models from Research in Motion and Apple iPhone 3G, in the U.S. exclusively from AT & T sold.

(translated using Google translate)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sdlopez83:
http://www.phonedog.com/cell-phone-...-hd-may-be-t-mobile-s-next-android-phone.aspx
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
Hey Black I'm thinking if this pans out eventually, we unlock 'em and BAM! we got ourselves a couple 3G phones with an official Android OS on AT&T. A 1-2-3 punch combo of awesomeness.

Hells. Yeah.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] venelar:
The anticipation is killing me. I dropped my 8525 recently at a plant i was in and the concrete messed up the mini usb. You should see me trying to charge the damn thing...only plug it half-way in, drape the cord across the front, then use a rubber band to hold it in place. I've been doing that for the better part of 6 months and am sooo ready to be done with it.

Went ahead and ordered a case and the clear-coat for it. Hoping that would make it hurry up.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] TaurenSnake:
Found a new article about the Fuze. Nothing really new but it did state: "The Fuze will be available through AT&T and is expected to launch near the end of October." I cant wait since my 8525 died about a week ago and I have had to settle for the Blackjack i607 that my wife never used (she still prefers just a plane jane phone). I keep wanting to touch the screen to make my selections. Starting to get really annoying.

http://www.pocketpcmag.com/cms/blog/6847/preview-htc-fuze
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
nothing new like you said but still it's a good anticipation builder
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] renegadebmw:
My meaningless rant

I can't believe how tight they have kept everything wrapped up. The supposed release is two weeks away and we still have no official word from AT&T.

I would just like to see some real shots of the phone. I know Black had posted the pics from when he had the pre-release and they have been used everywhere since. But I am waiting to see if AT&T really did chop up the keyboard and take out the # row, and add that button below the volume buttons on the side probably for PTT.

I have scoured the internet day after day looking for any bit of info, that isn't just someones comment without any real proof.

So I am now still just as close as I was some 4 mths ago when I decided between the Diamond and TP. I'm still waiting... just like the rest of you.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] srfaust:
http://wmpoweruser.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/touchpro9.jpg
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] renegadebmw:
Thanks, but that was the picture I was referring to.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sdlopez83:
Yea same here I ordered a 16 gig to replace my 8, screen protectors and desktop charger and 2 bats.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ACMilan07:
i hope, I HOPE it doesnt have the att logo on the phone -.-
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] NotATreoFan:
Am I the only person who doesn't think the tiny, little AT&T logo on the Tilt is ugly? :confused: Now the Cingular branding on my 8125, that was ugly! :eek:
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] raywright1:
it's hard to tell, but this picture seems to hint at an embedded numerical keypad on the right side, which would mean the top row is symbols rather than numbers.

also this link is the first reference that describes it as tri-band 3G data rather than dual-band data - good for european travelers.

still hard to discern who is right on some of they mystery features.

i'm handing in my numerous "most patient guy" award and joing the rest of you on the gripe wagon. my BJ1 is way out-dated and there are some many features i want ("need") on this device. i've already ordered the video out cable in expectation that they will go out-of-stock after release!

i still can't believe they went with the smaller screen size - with touch you don't need the wheel and it could have easily been the HD with a keyboard NOW rather than late 2009 (the obvious evolution for this device IMO). furthermore, the BB storm far exceeds it in processor and ram, so already it's starting to get out-dated. this thing HAS TO BE released soon, before it's too old to be cool!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] rshiggs:
How much did you get your 16 gig for? From where?

Does it matter what speed microsdhc card we get for the Fuze? What is even the fastest speed microsdhc 16gb card out there? I don't think I have seen a class 6 or even 4, just 2 iirc.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sdlopez83:
Yea i was debating about 8 gig class 6 or 16 class 2. but went for more mem over speed. I bought it for $75 greenback. I dont think they make anything over a class 2 for the 16gig

http://www.provantage.com/sandisk-sdsdq-016g-a11m~7SNDK2P3.htm
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sdlopez83:
Totally agree with yo. How bout them egles?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
OFF TOPIC

Eagles are effin up big time :mad:

How bout them Sixers!!! EB and the boys in three weeks :D

Back to the Fuze
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] naveen:
you know what, if the att logo saves me 200-300 bucks, i can live with that. i think you can too.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] NotATreoFan:
My point was that I don't care about the logo. I don't think that the AT&T logo takes anything away from the Tilt.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
Logos can be taken out with sugar cubes :rolleyes: (Yes, sugar cubes. Google it and find out how). But relating back to the whole unlocking thing. When you insert a non-AT&T sim card in your AT&T locked phone, it asks for a code, that code can be found on your account on wireless.att.com. You just need another sim card from another network to try it with :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
Really? How? I don't have any other network sims to try it myself.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] petard:
You can't find the code online. You need to call and ask for it. If your account is older than 3 months and in good standing they will just give it to you.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] stpete111:
It's definitely the first. I talked to a couple ATT guys in one of the big stores in Phoenix, and they knew the phone, knew the hype, and said there is currently no release date on any of their product manifests.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] technillion:
Don't believe the hype...

IMO "on back order" implies it was actually already released at one time or another. I think she's just pulling your chain! Kinda like most US stores telling me for weeks everytime I called them, "Yea...we had 10 Touch Pros come in this morning and they all went out...we're getting more FRIDAY"

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[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Oh, so now we're including previous devices? I paid $99 for my duo, sold for $350... Paid $900 for this, difference of $550. Is that so crazy? Especially considering practically no one else has it? Yet you insult me for getting ripped off. If I really care to, I can use both of my upgrades to buy Fuzes and resell them to make up for this one. :-)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
Blah blah. You still responded to a post that is 10 days old. Why so serious? Does it matter? I think you got ripped off. IMHO. Not yours. Think what you want. I don't really have the option to upgrade and upgrade and buy new phones. I'm sorry I'm not as rich as you and only 15.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] tkblingx2:
I dont understand y you're so appalled at people spending "a lot of money" on a pocket PC that you also seem to have quite a lot of interest in. Each person has their own criteria of whats expensive and whats not, and everyone has their own standards as to whats worth the 'expensive' price. Unless youre married to black93300, and the other people youre questioning, i don't think you have to right to second guess their decisions they made with their own money.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Far from rich, but don't insult me for the way I spend my money.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] aaronsmckee:
Your posts have been cluttering several threads in the Rapheal section and I would appreciate it if you would stop posting on the subject. I am rich, I will be buying a Touch Pro (video call is that important to me) and I hope that one day you are wealthy enough to do the same, now can you please stop posting about it.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mrvanx:
Guys bans have already been issued for bickering between members.........stop dragging the forum down by fighting like kids in the schoolyard. ENOUGH!

ON TOPIC, no more warnings.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] juls6:
Back on topic

Fuze - ATT release 10/20 for $299
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jkmiec3rd:
where did you get that date and price from?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] randa73:
yes please let us know how you can be so sure (no sources needed :cool: )
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] phead2:
I just heard 10/13 from someone in sales... didn't get a price though.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
i hope not i want it next month like its been rumored
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
Sep 29th. I'm a post this everywhere now :P
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] scotchua:
I guess you never heard of quality over quantity? You could just post it in the wiki, or the thread about release dates...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
That'd just kill it. Btw. IT's not called the fuze but it'll be called the touch pro and the first row on the keyboard will indeed be numbers :) Pricing is $299/$399 /w 2 year contract. Because they want to compete with iPhone. And retail is about $500/$600
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Raspster:
Are you sure the at&t version will have the keys along the top? The few at&t pre-released touch pro's have had the number keys set up like the tilt (bunched together) Plus, people that have installed the at&t ROM onto an unlocked pro have had issues with keys matching. I hope they do ad them to the top. I like them better up there anyway.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
hope they keep the numbers in the keyboard and symbols along the top it seems much easier

but where did you get the september 29th date?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
All info comes from a confirmed at&t rep :) The date is set. But they COULD POSSIBLY be set backs. I mean it's most likely going to come out then, but as we know at&t, something could happen. But it's set that day.