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[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
yeah i did the same thing until i got my employee plan

but sometimes ive seen them block the option out so you cant add it
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Well, if they find out they'll make you change to the PDA plan, and nowhere does it say you can tether with the MediaNet plan. Good assumption though, a tethering plan is $60/mo.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] bigb252:
This thread makes me happy. I've been out of contract for 10 months now (since January) and couldn't find anything that would catch my interest. I eventually gave in and got a Tilt in July, and I absolutely LOVED IT. I was about 25 days into my contract when I heard about the TP coming to At&t, so I returned the tilt and went back to my POS unlocked samsung.

My price point is currently $350 with a 2-year contract...Anything over might make me cry.

The worse part is, I live in the US Virgin Islands and we get our phones WAYYY after. AT&T won't ship to a P.O. Box. I really don't want to wait any longer...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] 10332007:
My PDA connect with unlimited data & tethering is only $40/mo

I dont tether too much but I am glad I have that feature. Do think it could be cheaper though.

Although I do think that if they catch the added data usage ammounts the will ask the OP (to that response) to upgrade to the tethering package.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] RebelShadow:
I've been doing tethering for about 1.5 yeas on my medianet plan. no trouble so far.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
anyone work at att seen it in your systems yet?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
You must not use much data, then... If I tethered I'd probably be in the 5-7 gig range, and AT&T wouldn't like that. :P
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] RebelShadow:
I think I average about 2 to 3 gig a month between tethering and watching orb on my trinity.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] nilisco:
MOD EDIT: WARNING BE NICE OR BE GONE! NO NEED TO DIG UP THE PAST THAT HAS BEEN DEALT WITH!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Ah, that's not too bad then... Is tethering your main source of internet on your computer, or do you just use it occasionally? I know a lot of people use tethering as an internet service, and if that were the case I'd murder any sort of limit they threw at me.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] timothy1327:
I been tethering with AT&T for bout 1 year , every time i travel at most i use about 15gigs of data never had a problem i dont have the 40$ plan i got the 20. havent had no problems always paid bills 1 week before time. Just depends on luck .
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] RebelShadow:
No, not my main source. I just use it tethered when I'm on a job site for the day. I watch orb (streaming video and cable tv) when I'm traveling to and from the job sites on my phone. I think if i was using it as my main source then they would probably have a cow then.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] raywright1:
i've already posted this on some forum but have forgotten where - but your post causes me to post it again since you may be able to verify or falsify my assumption:

the last phone i bought was the BJ1 two years ago as of next month's "black friday" sale (got a great deal). with the fuze release date that you mention being nearly 30 days away from this year's black friday sale, doesn't it make sense to purchase the fuze near the end of october so you can either return/repurchase it on black friday, or "negotiate" a better price on oct 14 knowing that you are prepared to wait two more weeks?

in other words, given your background with AT&T, can we expect great deals this black friday and should i be waiting until the end of oct to have some negotiating leverage when purchasing the fuze?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Captain_Throwback:
This confuses me a bit, only because at CTIA, Sprint annouced they'd be releasing the TP on October 19th. The article made a point of saying that they'd be the "first" to offer the phone. It just seems odd to me that AT&T would be able to sneak their release in before that. Here's the article for reference: http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-12261_7-10037203-51.html

Of course, I'd certainly be glad to be wrong in this case . . .

Also, that document reported on BGR mentioned some other phones that were scheduled to be 'launched' early this month, and we've heard nothing about them either. As a matter of fact, one of them was dated October 2nd, and yet there is no info on the AT&T website about it. Does anyone one else find that odd?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] cincy1020:
UGH, sadly, you make a very good point :(
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sdlopez83:
****, im glad you picked up on that Cap, the only thing that makes me feel better is that the Fuze is in the Radio shack database.

Any ATT employees been snooping around the computers? Has anyone seen or heard anything?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Scoop3:
It could be also, that the FUZE, is being played off as a different from the HTC Touch Pro, therefore doesn't fall under the "we got first dibs" category?

Just a thought.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
I'm sorry, I just don't believe you've used 15 gigs of data in a month on a $20 media net package and AT&T didn't do anything. That's an outrageous amount of data, I just don't believe it. Maybe you missed a zero and you used 1.5 gigs, but they'd surely cap you before 15 gigs, no questions asked. With you saying "it depends on luck", it's not like they do random sweeps all across data usages for their members, they monitor everyone's usage and when you go over a certain amount they get on you for it.

Just did research, and in AT&T's terms and conditions it says if you go over 5GB they have the right to terminate data transfer on your account for the remainder of the billing period. You tripled that and they didn't care, on their cheapest plan? Okay.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
remember when people didnt believe you had a fuze already?

enough with the calling each other liars a mod was just in here saying to cut the **** out

so lets keep it on topic about the fuze
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Nghiem:
Hey Black,

I used to put 10,xxx,xxx KB (Kilo Bytes not Kilo Bits, BTW) in one month on mediamax (ave. of 5,xxx,xxx KB and by the time I sign the contract there is no "AT&T's terms and conditions it says if you go over 5GB...") So, could you pls just stop discussing about medianet usage overhere?

First, does it relate to the Fuze?

Second, the more ppl talk about it, the more att pay attention.

If you don't believe it, that's fine; however, you can always try it yourself and, of course at your own risk.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Okay okay, but the mod was in here for a completely different reason... Anyways, back to topic, Fuze seems to be released late October, most likely after Sprint's date of release, has anyone obtained more information? I think that's where we sit... Just waiting.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mtlChris:
i agree with you on the whole october 14th thing, i seriously doubt at&t would release the touch pro before Sprint.....but about that leaked document with the release dates, it seems as though some of the phones have been released when the document said they would....according to boygeniusreport, the moto v9x began shipping on oct 2 (same date as the document).....heres the link to that info - http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/10/03/motorola-v9x-has-begun-shipping-out-for-att/

hopefully the fuze hits before the end of this month!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] TheBundo:
Sprint looks likely to be delaying until 11/2
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mtlChris:
BGR says best buy is releasing the touch pro for sprint on oct 26...i guess it could be delayed but idk
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] I8UB4:
What is your source for this? Boy Genius is reporting a likely 10/26 date for the Touch Pro on Sprint at Best Buy today.

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008...chedule-shows-storm-bold-pearl-flip-and-more/

I will say, though , that judging from this BG post, there is no mention of the Touch Pro on AT&T through November.

I have to agree that it is weird that AT&T would release it in the next few weeks if they still haven't announced it. Sadly, I'm starting to think we're looking at the end of November or early December. I have no inside sources for this, and I hope I am wrong, but I just don't see any concrete signs pointing to a release in October on AT&T.

I'm sad.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mtlChris:
thats a good point but hopefully best buy wont be picking it up right away and thats why its not mentioned.....they're only picking up the blitz later this month and its already been available through verizon.....but yea im really wanting an official announcement from at&t...this waiting thing sucks
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
I spoke with an AT&T Regional Tech and he said he would be "very surprised" if the Fuze released in October, he expected "the end of this year, maybe early next". I posted this before but everyone wants to go with the solid date we have, which is fine... But if it doesn't come in October, things don't look good.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
this blows i need the phone

my 8525 just keeps getting worse. now the screen constantly spasses out and literally acts as if its shaking. and when i slide the keyboard out a good portion of the bottom of the screen is whited out and slides the whole screen upward so i cant see the top. yet when its closed its fine
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] scdavis:
Just got a Tilt

So i JUST got a tilt... not seeing that AT&T is supposed to have the "Fuze" sometime soon... should i return my tilt; use my blackjack for a bit, and wait for the fuze?

maybe wait until day 29 of my 30 days to return it and see if the Fuze does come out on the 23rd of oct?

any opinions/suggestions are welcome :)

-SCDavis
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Absolutely, the Fuze is going to be so much better than the Tilt, it'll be 100% worth the money and the wait.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Captain_Throwback:
Well then, I stand corrected. There's hope yet!

The question is, if Sprint delays, does that mean AT&T must also delay?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
I don't think so, Sprint bought out 1 month of exclusivity from HTC, but that's only for the CDMA version afaik.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Sebrina:
My local AT&T (which I just came from again today) said the training meeting is scheduled for the 16th of this month, phone will be in the store for sale about a week after so the 23rd seems about right. Only 17 days to go.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] atsitalian:
What city are you Sebrina?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Sebrina:
I'm in NYC.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
glaaad to hear it
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jeffpo:
Ray,

I would return what I got and wait for the fuze if I were you. Don't wait till the 29th day stuff. If the sales rep is following policy correctly your return is a one shot deal if you exchange the phone. Do the return and ask them to reverse your upgrade if you used it. They have to call customer service to reverse the upgrade but it can be done. It just has to be done manually in the billing system and can't be done in the point of sale interface system in the store.

Again, I would return it and wait. Don't do an exchange. Also make sure you take EVERYTHING that came with the phone back. AT&T is getting really picky about this and will charge restocking fee if anything is missing.

Good Luck.

Jeffpo
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jeffpo:
Hey Cap,

Good questions. CTIA is a normally good source of info so I can understand your confusion.

However, as a former employee of 5 years I learned the company rarely puts itself in a position of publicly giving specific launch dates. An example of the reason why is the Blackberry Bold. Apparently in the days before it was supposed to launch, there were problems that showed up in tests that the engineers didn't like. So they called it a no go for launch. AT&T really does spend over 400 hours testing a phone, that's no joke. So they don't like giving hard launch dates. They mostly give announcements like "last quarter" or something like that.

The exception to this is the iPhone. Apple is in complete control of everything to do with the iPhone. So when they said launch, it launched though AT&T knew it wasn't ready. As a result thousands of iPhone customers that had poor 3G service other issues.

Back to the Fuze, another poster sdlopez has confirmed it is in the Radio Shack database. Launch is emminent. If it wasn't it wouldn't be in their systems. Other regions like NYC where Sebrina may be running behind North Texas. But as my earlier post stated my girl friend works directly with the inventory planning and tracking systems. It drops the 13th so it will ship and show up in stores based on shipping times any where from the 14 to the 16th to be in stores. So yes with any luck and no last minute "testing problems" it should be available in a couple of weeks.

Jeffpo
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
That made me LOL. :D
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sdlopez83:
I was using the previously posted radio shack pic of the Fuze on its database as a reference. I cannot confirm it nor am I the second poster to acknowledge that it is. I was just referencing it.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] utvol06:
Does anyone know if the Fuze has the same GPS lag problems as the Diamond and Touch Pro EU versions? I'm half-tempted to give my Fiance my Touch pro and buy a Fuze for 3G and better GPS.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sdlopez83:
this is what I was talking about.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Sebrina:
Might want to attach something a little bit bigger :) don't have a microscope at the moment.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
If you go out to the main Raphael thread you can click on that paper clip and it'll show you all the attachments in the thread. You'll find a slightly bigger picture of the Radioshack database listing
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
Well, it looks like we wont really know what the keyboard looks like / if they took the front facing camera out until AT&T tells us or November 30th rolls around.

See FCC Confidentiality agreement:

http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=995524&native_or_pdf=pdf

BTW: for the FCC curious in the group, the Touch Pro with US 3G has a FCC ID of : NM8RPLT. Happy Hunting!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
the link is taking forever to load

where did you get november 30th from?

everything weve been seeing or hearing has been saying end of this month
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
hmm, it pulls up real quick for me.

November 30th is the date specified in the confidentiality agreement that prevents the FCC from releasing photos of the device and or test setup.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sdlopez83:
Yea sorry about that, but it is on the thread.

@ m.carroll You must mean Oct 23 not Nov23, correct?

Never mind saw the doc.

We will prob hear something on OCt 16th for that AT&T meeting.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] wmm:
That's pretty old news. As I recall, the nondisclosure letter was dated around the end of July, almost certainly before the release plans were finalized, so I believe they just gave themselves a conservative window for when the release would occur. In other words, I think the operative phrase is "until AT&T tells us," which looks at the moment like sometime in the next couple of weeks.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Sebrina:
Nov 30th is the compliance agreement not to show pictures or release information about the phone to the general public, it has nothing to do with a release date. In fact if it ends on Nov 30th its a good indication that the phone details will be released and public a good month before the end of their agreement so don't worry the 23rd is still the expected date.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
it finally worked for me something is wrong with my adobe

but yeah the date on there was like july 31st right

thats just a general time frame i still bet it comes out this month
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
To clarify: We will either see the phone from AT&T on/after/around Oct. 23rd, or the pictures will be released by the FCC after the 30th of November.

I understand this may have been signed at the end of July, and I don't think it has anything to do with release dates, but the point I make is that we will have pictures of the phone then, whether AT&T has released the phone or not. (Thats not saying that the phone will have the AT&T branding and/or keyboard layout...) but if it has had the camera removed then we'll know that.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sdlopez83:
Sigh of relief.... Ok, Good deal thanks for the clarification.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] l3it3r:
Such a long time to wait for a phone ;)

Now that the HD has been canned, I'm back in the Raph camp.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
the HD was canned? what happened
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2008/10/07/htc-not-bringing-touch-hd-to-the-states/

I kind of knew that would happen because of the Fuze and the Diamond.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sdlopez83:
HTC put the Kabosh on it bieng released to the states. They said that the release in the states would take to long to proceed with and that by the time the phone would hit the US. I would already be outdated but they will release something better. It was a short message

They also noted that they have received a huge request for HTC products from the US and that the HTC U.S. Dept. has acknowledged the demand.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
yep, it made my hard decision very very easy.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Theutus:
I was happy to see that they acknowledged the demand in the US regardless. I think their response was actually one of the best I've seen from a company that is canceling a product like that....
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
im sure once we all get ahold of our fuzes then the HD/keyboard will finally show up and be sent here
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sdlopez83:
delete this post
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] rshiggs:
This wait is absolutely nuts. Today is the last day to get a free Tilt from the AT&T Premier site, but from the advice of others I held off. I was thinking I could get the Tilt now, and trade it in for the Fuze (as long as it is released on Oct 23 like the rumor and thus staying in the 30 day return window). However, any unforeseen delays that could put me over the 30 day would suck since I would be stuck with having to pay full price for the Fuze.

Just like everyone else here, I am really wishing for an exact release date. I have been going month to month on my expired Verizon contract with a crappy non-smartphone since June. I had no idea it would take this long for the phone to show up. I am almost tempted to go to the dark side and get an iPhone like all of my colleagues at work.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
dont give in

be the better person
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
Lets not start talking crazy buddy. I know it's long wait but we all are handling it my man. Just don't jump
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] rshiggs:
Oh, don't worry - I made it this long, I can make it some more. I just figured I would hop in on the thread since I have been a long time lurker. Once I get the phone I plan on being much more active on these boards.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Long time lurkers are creepy...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] wfiorentino:
Speaking of lurkers, I have been reading these posts forever, but i finally decided to jump in.

I wanted to know if anyone had any clue how much faster the Fuze would be without the TF3D interface. I've been reading here that the faster processor and RAM is taken up by the Touch Flo, but how much faster would it feel without it?

I know this may sound like anathema to some, but I am really happy with the Tilt's stock ROM and all the cabs I have added. I'm just annoyed that the keyboard seems to be crap, and my h, e, and c buttons all seem to need an extra caress to respond. That, plus the extra speed and radio and nicer screen would be enough for me to get the Fuze.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] utvol06:
My Touch Pro is much quicker than my Tilt I had with a custom rom even. The first thing you notice when picking the Touch pro/Fuze up is the beautiful VGA screen than makes the Tilt's screen look like absolute crap. The camera is also better even though its the same MPixels. The TF3D interface is really nice at covering up windows and with a custom rom is very quick. I like it better than the HTC Home I once used on the tilt. The Touch Pro keyboard is also better than the tilt but a little smaller buttons...you'll get used to them though after a while.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] scdavis:
I like the thought, but the screen on my tilt just cracked and now its not-so-hot... trying to get ATT to take it back, but might need to pull some strings...

might replace the screen and say "friend was playing a trick on me"

hehe... we'll see... hopefully they will be cool since i said i wanted to buy a different phone from them anyways...

we'll see...

-SCDavis
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Sebrina:
Get the insurance say you accidently dropped it and get a new one for free, unless of course your tring to turn it in for a pro.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] atsitalian:
Out of town 10/20 - 10/31

I hope the Fuze hits stores before 10/20 or after 11/1 as I will be travelling all over the place on business between those days and seriously doubt I would be able to make it to an ATT store during those days and would go bonkers knowing the fuze was out and I am stll stick with my iPhone 3G (with nice big screen and cool interface but without the much needed functionality of the Fuze)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] master athlon:
dear god, dont say that, not AFTER 11/1!! :eek: LOL

i dont know if my ETEN M600 can go for that long without it having an "accident":rolleyes: and one of the hardware keys just crapped out on me 2 days ago.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] changoland:
I am yet another long time lurker. I can not ****ing wait for this phone to come out, I'm upgrading from Nokia 9500. The Nokia E90 is nice but it does not support 3G in America.

HURRY UP FUZE

HURRY THE F**K UP

MY HINGE ON MY PHONE JUST BROKE

I NEED THE FUZE NOW

MOD EDIT: Professional Language Please
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Dsbtwins:
Changoland, we are all as hungry for the Raphael as you, but plz keep the language to a minimum. Thanks :rolleyes:
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
haha im about to start spewing language too with the state of my 8525 at the moment

it really makes me worry about buying another htc but i dont see people having huge problems with the tilts so i figure the pro should be even better

and im referring to the white screen issues along with my screen literally having seizures and colors bluring and lines going all over then the next day its just fine
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] pho:
yeah, mine just stopped re-charging this week - won't do it, no way no how

tilt esta muerto
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
hard reset didnt help or charge off computer?

theres been times mine wouldnt charge too especially in the car but if i restarted it it usually fixed it
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] boomin:
hah it could be worse....

I just have one thing to say to everyone lurking...THANK GOD YOUR STILL LURKING AND DIDNT BLOW 850 on a phone with the connection the speed of a razor! LOL I was one of those that didnt read everything before I bought it...THE EURO TP! I am "patiently" waiting for a new rom to come to life and fix everything...trust me, its worse having a "half-assed" version in your hand (and I sent back both of my Kaisers the day I bought this one to repair!) I honestly would still rock the Kaiser because of internet speed alone...(and when you do exchange server with a non 3g phone you simply miss calls...DAMN I miss my Kaiser!

ok...now don't you all feel much better?

:)

Boomin

Vegas
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
be glad you have 3G

im from around DC so id soon have HSDPA but im going to school in indian, PA which of course is only edge so even once i get my fuze i might as well have bought the euro TP :(