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[Touch Pro, Fuze General] weaselcossey:
First of all, let's make sure we're all on the same page:

No one's right, no one's wrong, these are personal preferences.

Now an example of why I would like a dedicated row of numbers:

Say I have a password thats something like this: 42bob176dole89 (which I don't) the most efficient way to enter this with an embedded keypad is what? Pressing the func. key 8 times? And if i'm not using Opera, its entered incorrect more often than I would like.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] weaselcossey:
Yes, phones are backwards, that layout is for dialing numbers on a phone. When I am in landscape, using the keyboard, a "real keypad" layout would suit me much better than a phonepad embedded into a keyboard.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sdlopez83:
Coming from using an 8525 to a Tilt. I was apprehensive of the number pad. But in no time I loved it because it really is more practical. This is the consensus of those who have used both so keep an open mind guys and gals.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
true, i suppose we would be using it more as a num-pad than a phone with the keyboard out, and if we wnated a phone pad we could touch the screen...

i've yet to use a phone with the augmented keyboard, my wizard had it on the top row with the function key, so i'm not sure if i'll like it or not.

originally i was not pleased that they had changed the 5-row design, but i'll suck it up and give it a shot. i'm sure i'll like it, and if not, it most definitely will not keep me from using this phone.

ooh, new thought: when using pocket excel, the number pad (normal layout) would be really nice. oh well.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
I used the Fuze for 3 weeks and the password I use for 90% of my things is something like K8J0L24... Letter, number, letter, number, letter, 2 numbers. Trust me, I know how you feel, and I still think the symbols are better.

Opinions are not necessary here, only facts. If you're curious about what the difference is, I'll decide.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] weaselcossey:
Don't get me wrong, i'm pretty sure i'd be happy with either keyboard (after all, I am coming from a tilt). The bacwards number pad always annoyed me on my athena (which didn't even have a row of number keys, damn htc).

What we should be complaining about is that they improved on the diamond rather than the blackstone for the pro. I would be completely satisfied with:

1. Larger screen

2. Higher resolution

3. Enough space for a keyboard with 6 rows, numbers and symbols, with more symbols embedded.

Would probably need more hard buttons than th HD though.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Everyone keeps saying this, asking about a Touch HD with a keyboard... Think of something as thick as a Fuze with the footprint of the HD, it'd be gigantic! You'd feel like you were holding one of those old Sharp calculators all the time.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] weaselcossey:
Did I mention my last device was Athena? And it was by far the best device i've ever used. Had to get rid of it because I started work in construction and just couldn't risk carrying it on my hip.

IMO, if one ever uses a device with a large, VGA or higher display, you are ruined. Your mobile experience will never be the same.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] cincy1020:
Hi all:

To those with keyboard complaints, have you ever tried a program called MagicKB? It's great, and almost completely eliminates any need for the function key. You can set it to where if you hold down any key for an extra second (or whatever length of time you choose), it will enter the second character. It can also be set to double tap for the function.

It takes me no time at all, or added effort to enter numbers or punctuation etc.

With this program it really is more practical to have numbers grouped together like on traditional phones, calculators etc...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] baboola:
ditto. might as well go up another notch and carry an ultraportabe laptop with data plan one can make calls using skype :D
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
STOP ARGUING GUYS! Seriously! If you seriously want a TP keyboard, but HAVE to have the fuze, just FLASH A HTC ROM and get a dummy TP and replace the fuze's keyboard with the dummy tp's phone. OR GEt A TOUCH PRO AND STOP COMPLANING. It's how AT&T decided to make it. They're not going to change it for you if you don't like it and they're not keeping it cause you like it. In reality, symbols are used WAY MORE than numbers are, so common sense hit AT&T that why don't we use symbols? So there. that's how it happened. Chillax. Stop arguing about it. I mean you got two options that I just mentioned, if you don't like both of them, just LEARN TO LIVE with the fuze's keyboard. You won't die.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] asingic:
lol arguing is what makes reading this so funny!

so does the date arguing.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] weaselcossey:
My laptop sucks..... double post errrrrrrrrrrrr
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] weaselcossey:
Damn dude, who pissed in your cheerios? I remember discussing the pros and cons of either keyboard, not arguing. If you didn't like the topic, you didn't have to post. We are all aware that AT&T is not going to change the keyboard, and we won't die if we have to live with the fuze's keyboard.

Sounds like you need 2 valium and a 6er.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
anyway, whoever had the inside source that at&t was having a training session today should definitely go check up on things with him/her to see if a definite release/in-stock date was given. it would really be helpful to all of us waiting.

probe those sources! i'm going to my local at&t tomorrow to check and see what the deal is!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] picasa99:
Called up the ATT shop from where my company gets phone at the Corporate level. She said that the phone is going to be launched on Nov 1st. She didnot have much information wrt pricing and other details yet. She did mention that she would have the phones by the first week of Nov, if I was interested in buying.

She is going to call me back when she has more information. By the way I am located in the PA area.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
No one pissed in my cheerios lawl. You're not really discussing the pros and cons as I see it. You guys are just arguing back and forth. If it was pros and cons you'd be like okay, "I don't like this because...." Not "hey, I think you're wrong and it should be like this and not this."
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] weaselcossey:
Well I never said anyone was wrong, or the keyboard should be a certain way, only what I would prefer and why.

But whatever, forget about it. Both devices are great and everyone's happy :D
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] RAP5:
Fuze

Interesting. I hear since Sprint is releasing Oct 26th ( Touch Pro ) ATT is taking a back seat and delaying the Fuze
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] baboola:
good news! i can't wait get my paws on TP. Especially good to hear that you're in PA area!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] stevierg:
My corporate contact said it's coming 3rd November to AT&T, the monday, but also mentioned they might get them in the week before, but will have to hold them.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Sebrina:
I was the one who mentioned the meeting on the 16th, I just came back from the store tonight after work and it seems they confirmed pretty much what we already knew and not much else. Release will be official (as in go pick up your phone at the store) the 3rd of November but the phones start shipping on the 23rd, makes me sad but happy at the sametime.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Scoop3:
wonder if a $20 into the pocket of the right guy would get a fone a week early? lol
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Sebrina:
You don't need 20 bucks in the cellphone industry, just mention you might want to add a line as an incentive, just the thought of that commission would make them do anything to please you (well just about anything). ;)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] asingic:
what would pushing the fuzed date back do? just curious from the business perspective? why would you want the competition to release first? what would that get them? well Nov 1st or Nov 31st I can wait this out its really not that big a deal.

BTW, how long do you have to be a customer before they will unlock the phone for you? Im going to the PI in January.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
are you going to be just starting att?

i think its 6 months? not gaurentee on that though thats from initial contract not every phone
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] bigb252:
It's usually 3 months and in good standing(bills paid on time, etc). You MIGHT find a CSR that would bend the rules a little, probably if you add international roaming to your plan.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] asingic:
yeah I'm going to be just joining when it comes out. Well I guess I can just pick up an unlocked one over there. On second though I may get mugged if I show that thing
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Sebrina:
You can get a cid/phone unlock on this forum for about 20 bucks.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] asingic:
good point
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] starscalling:
heh you know i'm holding you to it.

personally i had the tilt for quite a while - got it about 3 - 4 weeks after release, and had gone through 4 of them. i spent 4 hrs on the phone with customer care, actually got the rebate that they never had given me lol, and talked them into letting me upgrade again. well 3 days later i lost my tilt, and i'm thinking ZOMGZOMGZOMG, upgrade to the q and find out about the touch pro/fuze. took another 90min on the phone but i got them to let me return that [ i was 3.5 weeks in i JUST skimped by ] so that i could upgrade when the fuze comes out. the one thing i'm thinking about though, is the sprint version + 100/mo unlimited everything plan....

what are yall's opinion of sprint [htc touch pro] vs att [att fuze] specificaly?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
i'm not sure, but i think i've heard that the sprint version is dumbed down with less ram? maybe i'm wrong, it might be the verizon one that has the reduced ram. did anyone else hear this?

besides that, i think from the pictures the sprint version is a little more rounded than the fuze.

luckily, the at&t plan works out better for me, as the minutes are shared within the family, and then i'm just going to pay the 30/month for the PDA data access.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
its the verizon one they cut the ram and the processor and even tilt sensor DONT BUY THE VERIZON ONE ANYONE

sprints is fine

but ya for a single plan you cant beat sprints unlimited if you get good service from them in your area go for it. only problem with them is their customer serivce and you seem to know how to handle tha
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] starscalling:
yeah i worked with att doing b2b long distance [i was pretty @#%@#$ good :P] then went to residential - total of maybe 5 years.... i've gotten pretty good at telling them what they need to hear to just do their jobs :P and sometimes a bit extra...

the biggest thing i think about, is i probably wont use remote desktop on it, however i will be using pocketputty, and i was wondering if the sprint version was able to punch in numbers for the password... i could only use letters before with the tilt because of the weird kb matrix and putty's usual obstinate 'e is a %' obfuscations.

i actually just got fired yesterday, but these days i work in the IT field, lately directly at a datacenter [having 100mbit at my desk and a free all-you-can-use gbit server for free sure was nice :P]. so i organize my life and spend hours a day on my phone. it's far easier when trying to troubleshoot something and I'm down in one of the floors in the datacenter's and not the NOC to be able to login, perform commands, etc etc. vpn availability on the phone kicks ar$3 as well.

or if i'm out on a job site, as i do some small business stuff as well, i may need to tether to my lappy or so and download some drivers, say. i intend to use the heck out of this thing till it DIEZ :)

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er so i just wanted to double check does the att version have dual cams? one at you and away from you so you can do vid conference, and if so does that cost extra? [sprint offers a LOT for 99.99/mo]
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
none of the NAM ones have the dual cams as far as i know. unless you get the unlocked one which will be coming out soon but for around 750 probably

and att has video share look on their site its kind of pricey though
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] wmm:
There's a rumor in the sprint-vs-at&t thread here that the Fuze won't have a flash LED for the camera. Black93300zx's test unit definitely did. For those of you who have gotten a look at the later versions (I recall at least a couple of people posting that they had), did you notice if the flash LED was there or not?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] asingic:
another possible ... 11-4-08

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/10/17/att-plans-to-launch-the-bold-on-the-27th/
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] naveen:
hopefully the date sticks.:D
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
The dates keeps falling further and further on my calendar. At this rate, it'll be a Valentine's day gift :(
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] naveen:
it is upsetting, but this is the price to pay for the branded handset.:mad:
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] asingic:
I know what I want for my birthday in august!!!! ...

:D:eek:
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] naveen:
i dont think the wait will be that long. by that time the next version of the touch pro will be leaking out hopefully:D
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
That's very true. Oh well I'm sure we're all going to have it at some point lol
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] asingic:
Are you kidding? Will it have biometric functions on it?

The last thing I heard was that the ATT manager meeting would be at the end of july for release in Mid August. Which happens to be my birthday.

Wow I hope it comes through or I'm going to switch to Verizon becuase I know ATT is being controlled by Steve Jobs and they dont want to upset apple. I'm so excited ... my phone just broke so I'm going to probably switch to pay as I go till then.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
HAHA, you're like the kid on AT&T forum that tried telling me AT&T delayed the Bold to sell more iPhones. I pointed out that the Bold was recalled on Orange UK because it had huge software problems, and he proceeded to insult me because I like Android. Steve Jobs is 0% of the reason the Fuze is not here yet, cut the conspiracy theory.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] cincy1020:
Hmmm, sure sounded to me like asingic was joking :p
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] asingic:
yea I was. next july would be too early for the manager meeting.

lol.

just having fun.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] cincy1020:
Oh ye of little faith. My sister's husband's neighbor's wife has a son who delivers pizza to an AT&T rep, who says the manager's meeting is DEFINITELY set for July 2009 :D
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
WHAT? No, no, no. They're waiting for me to finish college. In 2012 :D
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] cincy1020:
Well, just think what a nice graduation gift it will make :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
Exactly! But I'm guessing that by 2012 we won't have phones, just really tiny laptops that just so happen to make phone calls
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] naveen:
you never know...it could be the truth! people are using those umpc's these days.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Hah I know he was joking about the date of July '09, but I have heard so many legit complaints (or so the whiner thinks) about how Apple is the reason AT&T is delaying all of their phones. If you honestly believe that, I can't help you.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] cincy1020:
Awww, come on black. Let's play nice. We're just having a moment of levity to ease our Fuzeless tensions :D
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
I worry that these "Fuzeless tensions" and long waits are going to blow the phone out of proportion... It's the next Tilt, a very good phone but I hope people don't get disappointed when it's not God's own device.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] asingic:
I find it completly funny how people start things like the apple controlling att and vice versa.

You do know that after its released the forums will be FILLED with complaints. That is going to be funny. Everyone has their own take on things I guess. I can see it now, " I cant believe I have to slide the screen up, I much prefer the keys on top of the screen, this phone is bogus! this thing is going to ebay"

lol, I think people may have built it up. . . but look at the iphone they are still releasing updates. the day we get a software without updates is only a dream.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Erik Latranyi:
Conspiracy Theories

No, no, no. ATT is controlled by Bill Gates and they need the delay to ensure all the proper Windows bugs are functioning correctly!

/sarcasm

Oy vey!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] whatledog:
:p

Geez... and I thought Bill and Stevie were in collusion!!! Where have I been? Anyways, I'm still hoping that the Omnia and Fuze will come close enough to ATT so I can put them in my grubby little paws to compare them myself.

BTW-- my daughter likes my tilt (because it, um, tilts) so much, she doesn't want to upgrade. So I have an extra upgrade:p
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sonus:
The Omnia isn't coming to ATT. Never was, never will be... ATT said quite a while back that they will not be bringing in any windows mobile devices w/o keyboards/keypads. The phone that everyone thought was supposed to be the Omnia is actually the Samsung Eternity, a non winmo phone that looks like the omnia...esp. in FCC sketches. The FCC sketches were what prompted everyone to think the Omnia was coming to ATT.

http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/AT-Ts-touch-Samsung-is-the-A867-Eternity-article-a_3294.html
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] whatledog:
Yeah, I saw that... But Mobiledia's still got it up for ATT Q4, and I can still hope, can't I? But noone knows, except "The Shadow"!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] stuff:
I just got word about this "Fuze."

Any news on a release date? I'm actually looking to upgrade my tilt
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
speculation is end of the month until about the 3rd it should be out

question about roms for the fuze specifically

since the keyboard is different we will have to have fuze specific roms correct?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] wmm:
It depends on what you call "news." Seems like every couple of hours someone comes on quoting their local store clerk or manager or a family member or girlfriend who works for AT&T with the latest flash about when the release will be. There's no hard "news," by which I mean an official press release from AT&T.

The best speculation seems to be that the release will be on November 3; a number of seemingly-independent sources agree on that. However, there are several reports from stores, primarily, saying that they still expect the phone to be released on October 23, a date that was leaked several weeks ago via an apparently-authentic internal AT&T memo.

"Those who know aren't saying, and those who are saying, don't know."
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
thats a very good question. i think it depends if its a software-based mapping, or if its a hardware keyboard matrix modification... not sure on that one.

in other news, i went in and asked my local at&t about the fuze, and the girl replied "is that one of our devices?" needless to say, she had no clue, but said that they're usually "on top of those type of things" (then again, she didn't even know what at&t premier was (corporate discount system).
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
haha yea i called my local store and asked about fuze the girl was just like ummm so i said touch pro? and she continued the um and then i dont think we carry that?

usually girls in electronics stores are only there to get guys interested in shopping. of course theres always the exception but i was workin in best buy for 3 years and the phone section and the girls were never ever ever the knowledgable ones. but again. sometimes theres an exception
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] cincy1020:
Thought this post was pretty interesting. It is from the AT&T forum. The guy says he was at an AT&T store, and had the oportunity to hold a Fuze. He lists some details as far as what are on the final model etc...

Thought I'd pass it along.

http://forums.wireless.att.com/cng/...w=by_date_ascending&message.id=104394#M104394
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Haha he made the same post here...

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=437557
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] cincy1020:
Oops, sorry I missed that post :o
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jeffpo:
WMM You are right about it not being "hard news" as in a press release from AT&T. In my 5 years experience with the company they didn't make press releases very often about specific devices. The easily remembered exception to this was the iPhone. In that instance AT&T was being controlled by Steve Jobs. AT&T had discovered the issues with the 3G iPhone before it was released and wanted to delay it till those were fixed. Didn't happen and there were a lot of ticked off iPhone people. Serves them right. LOL

My girlfriend that handles inventory got an update today that Nov 4 is the new date. So we will see if that sticks or gets delayed yet again.:confused:

Jeffpo
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] letapjar:
BOld out today - Fuze release tomorrow 11/5

Went ot the ATT experience store in CT - The bold is in today - the WM subject matter expert rep had a FUZE (numeric keys in the middle like the tilt) they told me the FUZE should be "released" tomorrow. Released does not necessarily mean "we ahve it on hand to sell it to you".:confused:
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] deeznuts:
If this is true then thats a very comfortable price! FIrst got an 8525, now a tilt, soon ill have my upgrade available and 100 bucks towards this one, cant wait!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
explain why you went to this old thread when there is a much newer one and the date is the 11th and this is pretty much a fact?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Because he just got home from his job as professional resurrector and he's still in that mode. Someone just made a new thread about a hands-on video review instead of putting it in the Fuze thread, who cares? No biggie.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] AntSam:
Att Fuse

I openned the box about two hrs ago and i'm still playing. Quick reads: touch pro can be more sensitive, favorite contacts list not as good as tilt, can't wait for Spb upgrade and kaiser registry gods to sink teethe into it, more user friendly than tilt. And yes i like it alot.:)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ilordvader:
Who will be kind & ans these Qs :)

Does the Att Fuze have Call etticate ?

whene the phone is ring you just turn it over & becomes silent

how to activate that Plz ?

anyone knows

How top change the Favorites in Flip Contacts

Also having issues playing Videos with core playerwhen playing a Movie of 700mbit gives me a freeze picture but voloume of the movie keeps playing Is it better to get the Touch Pro ?

Cos of Warranty its easier to walk into a Att store & get a exchange if Phone freezes or has problems, also Price its cheaper,

What am i really looseing not getting the HTC touch Pro ?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
Well because att people moniter xda-developers o.o It's a bit creepy but yes. So they figured that the number one would be better. No other info besides att branding, att skinned touchflo and bloatware. No front camera. As far as the specs are concerned, the ram/rom/storage/etc are the same as the htc touch pro. I have no idea if they took off the htc on the back bottom and/or if they didn't have the HTC Innovations text on the sides.

EDIT: I don't know if they crippled the Video out somehow. Even if they did, it wouldn't be hardware issue and more of a software issue and there is a confirmed PTT button on it. We can probably re-map it with the help of the gizwiz's here :D
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
it'll be an interesting date to say the least lol. and yes Kraize i am chasing your posts lol
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
Lol I've noticed.