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[Touch Pro, Fuze General] fhsieh:
Touch Pro on AT&T I can still see because the hardware keyboard differentiates itself from other phones. But I think releasing the Touch HD now/soon would make the boys at Cupertino upset.

Again, perfect opportunity for Tmo to call up HTC and get a little exclusivity action going on: help beef up cross-carrier competition so that US carriers finally start building half-decent 3G networks!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sdlopez83:
Nvidia Tegra Holy Tits!!!

Very off topic but have you guys had a look at these!... I want to have sex with these phones...

http://www.nvidia.com/page/handheld.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQa9nP4yyms&feature=related
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
wtf? :confused:...... they're nice but wtf man? lol :D
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
They already created the product page for the Fuze saying it has a QWERTY, I sincerely doubt they'll release the Touch HD in the Touch Pro's place.

And wait, expecting the Touch HD soon? The Touch Pro has been on HTC's site since when, May, June? It's now September and people are thinking late November, maybe even December for the release.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] fhsieh:
Welcome back :D

Eh, it's just wishful thinking. Whaddayagonnado? :rolleyes:
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Yeah, I'm seriously considering the Touch HD now, but I still don't think I can live without a keyboard. Gizmodo called the on-screen keyboard "not as good as iPhone's"... Seriously? The on screen keyboard on iPhone sucks, I can't use that. My Fuze was so fast to bang out emails (or posts on XDA) and that was a big part of why it was so functional. For normal web browsing I used the on-screen keyboard, but once I had to write more than a sentence or 2, it made it so much easier.

Haha as for the welcome back, thanks... I'll make sure to compliment the next person who criticizes me.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] fhsieh:
I doubt the early review of the HD on-screen keyboard is accurate (it's no secret most of Giz writers are Apple fanboys). I think touch-resistive is far more flexible than the iPhone's touch-capacitive; not just finger and stylus, but fingertip/nail, adjustable sensitivity, etc. The HD's screen is bigger than the iPhone's as well, which should make for larger keys. Plus you can throw practically any kind of SIP on a WM device.

What I'd really like is a WCDMA 1700mhz HD to use on Tmo US 3G (eMobile in Japan also uses 1700mhz with some nice unlimited plans, relevant to me). I'd put wmwifirouter on it and throw it in my bag to have a hotspot next to me all the time. Sure I could do that with any other WinMo device, but if it were the HD, that would just be icing on the cake (and another hole in my wallet :D). But since there won't be any 1700mhz WinMo devices on the market in the forseeable future, I'm still quite happy with my TP. :p
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Honestly, I think right now my big debate is between the Touch HD and a phone with Android. I really want to keep my mind open, and since Android is open source, I figure there's no better place to start.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] fhsieh:
I'm all for Android in thought, but I'm not about to jump ship for its initial launch. I toyed around with a Nokia N800 (Maemo) for the past year -- which currently has a lot of opensource activity -- and having to wait for developers to release beta code when the exact same apps already exist for WinMo simply sucks. I mean, pretty much anything you could ever want to do exists on Linux desktops already, but there simply aren't enough coders porting them over to mobile platforms.

Then again, I guess if I'm willing to carry two devices, one WinMo and one Android couldn't hurt :rolleyes:
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Haha well since it's open source there could be Android for Touch HD/Touch Pro in a few months... But who knows. Honestly I like the platform a lot, and I think the biggest thing I'd miss is skyfire, which wasn't completely compatible with the VGA screen anyways. Oh, and LineRider Mobile. That's about it, everything else on Windows Mobile is negligible, most of the other software I had on my Fuze was to make Windows Mobile be less Windows Mobile-like.

Hmm and I lied... I take it back, because I realized pirating software would be so impossible. I'd have GPS, but only Google Maps to use it with... Who the hell pays $100 for GPS software? C'mon now. Oh well, who knows... Maybe I'll start paying for software. HA!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] joel32137:
Well... it looks like AT&T is realy unloading their Tilt's

http://forums.slickdeals.net/showthread.php?t=923939

Maybe this is a sign that the Fuze is coming soon....

Hmm.. a free Tilt (for premier).... that's a pretty good deal...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
this certainly seems like good news

and lets keep the thread on topic not goin to the HD every 2 seconds guys
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] master athlon:
Good news indeed, now im all the more excited for an Official announcement of any type.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] joel32137:
Ahhh... here's a question for all you Fuze to be owners... does a free Tilt change your decision on whether or not you want to get the Fuze and pay most likely $299. Of course... these are for people who have access to a premier account. I'm personally now considering getting a tilt... even with all it's faults... a free tilt isn't too shabby ;p
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Eh, if I wanted a Tilt before I would've gotten one. They never blew me away as an amazing device, very customizable with all of their support, but nothing incredible. The lack of G-sensor, as well as the fact that you need a stylus for most of Windows Mobile is what pushed me away. TouchFlo3D, even more than being a great looking interface, makes 90% of the operating system very finger accessible which is what I want.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] petard:
TF2D is pretty much the same thing as TF3D. I am not sure if I will be upgrading right away or waiting until black friday (that Tilt was $100 off on black friday, just a month and a half after it came out!)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
im not all that impressed with the Tilt. I've used one for about a week a few months back and didn't miss it when I had to switch back to my 8525. To me it seemed laggy, then I found out about the whole video driver debacle and that really pushed me away from it. so yeah a free Tilt might be tempting but I'll be waiting for black friday as well to pick up my Fuze. Besides I don't think I have a premiere account. Hell I'll be honest, I don't know what a premiere account is :confused:
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Funny, Kareem tried TF2D on his Tilt and said it ran like a bag of ass, had to hard reset his device. Given that experience, I wouldn't bank on TF2D unless I saw it running well on a Tilt right in front of me.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] volcomnator999:
tf2d runs so damn smooth on my tilt...no problems what so ever...ill buy the touchpro from at&T as soon as its out because if it goes lower withing 30 days ill get credited back..just like i did with my tilt
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Back to the Fuze for a moment (in a thread titled Fuze? Why?) have we heard any other updates on a release? We heard September 29th originally, then I was told it's around the corner... I heard long before the September 29th date, I think from the guy I bought it from, that it was slated for release in "Late November"... But I don't think we've seen 1 piece of solid evidence, unless someone trying to ruin me selling the phone and telling us it's around the corner is solid. Anyone?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] auriken:
maybe waiting for tmo to announce the dream for a heads up battle?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
I guess...

Anybody know the specs of the dream, if they've been released yet? I'm wondering if it will be like the Xperia says it will be, including 850/1900 UMTS even though it has the 1700 and 2100... If that's the case, one of these unlocked might be a lotta fun. :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ACMilan07:
my tilt is tired, i feel like its time to trade her in, shes a used car now.. with 50,000 miles, the warranty just went out :D

I need my AT&T fuze now. i told myself that i wont be going to school till the fuze is out -.-). im tired, i think im getting depressed.. im thinking about just buying a touch pro..
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
First off. WB. I didn't notice you were back.

Second off, now they fixed the new version, you don't need to hard-reset to get rid of it and it really is as smooth as butter. Very slick. I'll get you a video if you want :P You don't need video drivers either.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] joel32137:
Well guys... it doesn't look like the Fuze is coming out next month... :(

http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2008/09/17/nokia-6650-sony-ericsson-w760a-others-coming-to-atandt-in-coming/

http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2008/09/17/upcoming-atandt-phones-get-priced/

What do you all think? :(
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] master athlon:
now thats something to think about. but i sure do hope that we see the Fuze "sooner than later", a lot of us got very excited when we heard about it and i dont wanna be disappointed.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] joel32137:
I just read a post about AT&T's delay of the Fuze is due to the Radio Rom and activating Tri-Band HSDPA...

To all you AT&T insiders... is there any truth to this?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
i don't know I didn't see anything about the Fuze so I guess we're still playing the waiting game :(
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
Um it has no mention of the Fuze, so don't interpret anything...

I don't think so since the test models were Tri-Band HSDPA enabled.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] kareeem:
I doubt it'll roll out next month; i'm thinking a month after the Tilt's release date (October 5) on November 5.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] krafty:
More rumors:

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008...c-fuze-samsung-mirage-bold-moved-to-november/
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] urby86:
http://mobilitysite.com/2008/09/att-launch-dates-revealed/

Oct 23rd? They seem pretty certain.

Looking more closely, this link is just referencing the BGR link that krafty posted above.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
well its good to have a semi-confirmed date :rolleyes: its better than all the shots in the dark we've been hearing. But the dates could change at any minute so I'll wait anxiously. Either way I'll most likely get mine on Black Friday anyways :D yay discounts
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
please be true

i need the phone. it seems every time a new release rumor comes out my 8525 sprouts another problem

yet im still going for htc? meh
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
LOL!! mine too but I know it's that manilla 2D stuff. it's a cool ass app, very nice but I'm sure the real thing on the Fuze will blow it out the water
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jkmiec3rd:
I know this article is about the Bold, but it's really about how stressed ATT's network is do to the Iphone. I wonder if this has anything to do with the delay of the fuze? Take a look http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080917.wgtbold17/BNStory/Technology
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] kfow34:
att price sheet

See release date on Fuze... Oct 23

http://forums.wireless.att.com/cng/...read.id=101022&view=by_date_ascending&page=11
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
more reason to look down on the iPhuckers out there. Now lets say that this is the with RIM and the newest blackberry devices, it would mean that the issue is strictly related to them right? I mean, if they rely on the same data constant data stream as the iphone, it shouldn't really effect the Fuze to much right? Do HTC device need the same amount of constant data or is there another factor?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sdlopez83:
any confirmations on behalf of AT&T. Any news? anything?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] clburns1:
Yeah, at&t's release date for the Fuze is October 23rd...I'm just wondering when the xperia x1 is coming out...hughhh...just more and more waiting.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] atsitalian:
I believe the 10/23 date is still just a strong rumor but has not "officially" been confimed by at&t and I believe the poster was looking for an "official" date from at&t. I have been checking everyday for more "official" or coorborating data as to the release of the Fuze and Mirage from at&t and still can't find anything beyond the data from BGR.

If they do both release within two days of eachother I am thinking on going with the Mirage first (really want the bigger screen, thinner form function, better overall hardware specs and don't need a keyboard) and if I don't like it I will pay the 10% restocking fee and switch to the Fuze.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Thundarr The Barbarian:
I think 10/23 is the time it will be announced... Just a guess.

Basing your entire guess on 1 marketing sheet we've seen that says 10/23 is not smart, especially when you present it to other people as factual.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] clburns1:
Well I wouldn't have replied if it wasn't a fact. Here's the proof.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] scotchua:
Well first, your guess is based on the assumption that a sheet that says "order drop" means that it will be announced that day rather than released that day...when the title of the column is "Launch." Second, the BGR seems to find a way to get these leaked document quite frequently, and because of that, i'd be more inclined to give their guess more weight than yours. Their's is based on an official piece of paper, and your's is just based on the fact that you just don't believe it.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] clburns1:
Yeah maybe, it's not a real big concern to me anymore, I've pretty much turned from this phone and have decided to go with the X1
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] clburns1:
...Kudos!...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Thundarr The Barbarian:
Well if you really want to go tit for tat and check how often BGR has been right on with a release, to the day, I'd bet you there'd been more false alarms than true confirmations in the past. Whether it be delays, or just misinformation or what not, I'm not going to get all excited and ready to buy a phone when I hear nothing more than a sheet saying 10/23, that's all I was saying. If you do realize, Sprint confirmed theirs, which only comes out a week before... And they confirmed it quite a while ago.

The "fact" is, the only time a release date is confirmed is the day the carrier confirms it. That has not happened.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] scotchua:
I guess i just don't understand why you feel the need to argue that point with everyone, because if you don't believe that it's gonna be released on 10/23 then don't get ready to buy one. Everyone who is making plans is just excited. I don't see what the harm is in just letting people be happy at the probability.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Thundarr The Barbarian:
There's no harm, and I'm not saying you can't be excited... I just wouldn't present it as pure proven fact when I don't know it to be true, and I myself am not going to get excited for that date. If you do remember, there was a time when 85% of this forum was so excited for the Fuze release on September 29th? I don't know why you feel I'm force-feeding my opinion down everyone's throat, I just made a statement and you're trying to prove to me why I should expect the phone on a certain date. You can expect it whenever you want, and I'll hold my own opinion about when it'll come out... There's really no reason to get worked up over it.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] wmm:
Any particular reason for that? (I'm asking because I'm considering the same and haven't yet made up my mind, beyond a commitment to wait until the SE announcement on November 3 regarding North American availability of the X1.)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] wshader:
I've just decided to wait till my tax return comes to buy a new phone... wing is stable, and just the way I like it.... by that time everything should be out, all the bugs known and perhaps fixed.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Drewidian:
Fuze FM Receiver

I heard that the FM Receiver was removed from the AT&T version of the Touch Pro. Does anyone know if this is true? Is it just that the software is not installed and a cab for the fm radio will allow it to be used? I wouldn't want the device if it doesn't come with it. I could get by with the Tilt otherwise. I want to use the FM to listen to the TVs at the gym.

Thanks is advance if anyone knows the answer to this.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
its just the software was removed

the guy who bough the att one was able to install the software and it worked
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] scotchua:
I think if you read your posts again about you'll understand why it might be perceived that you're being a downer on everyone's party. I don't think that you can compare infromation received from a 15 year old who knows somebody "way up at AT&T" to an official document that has been leaked. Of course it's subject to change. Even if AT&T announced a release date it'd be subject to change. I guess i just feel like there's not a whole lot of value in questioning the validity of the information where there really isn't anything out there that contradicts it yet. I'm sure everyone will somehow survive if it's announced to be released in November instead of October...though as i said before, i personally hope for an october release so that i can have some time to get it tweaked out before i head down for vacation ;)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] scotchua:
You seriously believe the only significant improvement to the Fuze over the Tilt is the FM radio? That seems crazy to me, but besides that, i remember reading somewhere that the radio hardware wasn't removed they just took out the software. AT&T obviously did this to make people use their music store. Crappy, i know, but i at least get why they'd do that. Definitely wait for a few days to confirm the radio can be added back with some software before throwing down that much money if it's that important to you.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
ialready confirmed a few posts up that the software can be added

and i have a 8525 i tried a tilt it had almost no improvements the touch pro on the otherhand. cant wait for it
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Yeah, if you search for the FM radio software and TV-out software you'll find it. Sub69 extracted them, and they worked 100% on my Fuze. When the Fuze is released I'll probably put up a big "missing software" thread so you guys can get all of the functionality that was missing... G-Sensor calibrator, FM Radio, TV-Out, etc... I have it all in a big folder on my desktop.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] scotchua:
Hey, welcome back.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Thanks, maybe this time I'll stick around. :-P
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] dontdo_that:
I hate kids.

On the other hand, good to hear that we can get the FM radio and other functions working properly with software.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
True :P But I wasn't on to tell that I was told wrong and it was pushed back a month? I think I mentioned that the day I got back on? I thought I did...?

A bit harsh. =/ I was just saying what I know. I wasn't like, "THIS IS THE DATE, BELIEVE IT!"
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] samuel20709:
Yea that is harsh...what did we do ?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
First of all, you kinda did say that... You once said "Sept 29th... I'm gonna post this everywhere now :)" so obviously you were spreading the word like it was fact. Regardless though, I don't blame you nor do I think you had any malicious intention. I was just making the point that false information does come through, and things do change, so I'm not going to get excited for an exact day until AT&T confirms it.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
He's just frustrated because he was hoping for that 9/29 release date. No harm intended. ;-)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] wmm:
Yes, you did, although it appears some people missed it or have forgotten it.

So, by my reckoning, we have the guy with the AT&T VP brother saying 10/15, you saying that he wasn't far off, and the leaked manifest saying 10/23; I think that's a pretty good degree of convergence, and I haven't seen anyone claim to have inside knowledge that contradicts that.

Do you have any newer info on this? And is that the announcement or the release date?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
People are assuming 10/23 is the release date, but other than that one tech sheet posted on BGR no one has a clue. I'd be surprised if it came out that soon compared to Sprint's, but that's purely on my expectations and speculation with no factual basis whatsoever.

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/wp-content/uploads/attlaunchdates.jpg

From the looks of it, considering it comes under the "launch" column and the values either read a date or "launched", I'm gonna have to go with scotchua and say it's probably a scheduled release... But I still don't want to rely on it.

Edit: And it's things like this that makes me not want to rely on that date, look at what else BGR says about that same product launch sheet:

"Now for the weird stuff… this sheet lists the BlackBerry Bold with a November ETA. We’re not so sure what’s going on, but we’re sticking very firm to our October 2nd launch date on AT&T. "

So despite that sheet saying November he's saying the phone will come out in early October? How are we supposed to rely on the Fuze date if the Bold date isn't close? :\
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] clburns1:
Hey, sorry it took me so long to reply. I have actually decided to go back with the Fuze again. this is because the Fuze is going to have faster Internet, integrated flash, accelerometer, it's supposedly much faster (due to extra ram i believe), better keyboard, and of course the awesome people here at xda can help with pretty much everything. The Fuze hopefully is still releasing on 10/23 where as the x1 is not going to be released until the first quarter of 2009, and i doubt it will even be in January (this is not making assumptions, it's a fact seeing that Sony Ericson has said that it's not even being released in Asia until mid-late December). A lot of the x1 just seems kind of cheap, and a big issue is the keyboard, which is one of the biggest features a phone of this genre can have. Supposedly the Fuze has an unbeatable keyboard, if this is so theres no questions asked I'm getting the Fuze, and I can't wait!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] naveen:
i like the concept of the gphone as well, but what if gmail is not your primary form for email and calender? that is the problem for me. the second problem is that the t mobile coverage around my area is bad.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] naveen:
do you have a link to the cab?:confused:
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] nilisco:
Good lord guys. Actually believing that someone has an "inside source" at AT&T and has some great advanced knowledge of a product (see: Kraize92) means you are either new to the internet or a bit too gullible.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
I bet you would've been with the kids who flamed the hell out of me when I said I had a pre-release Fuze... Leaks of information, as well as product, do happen every now and again. You can ask kraize, he'll tell you I was his biggest critic and didn't believe a word he said, but don't act like it could never be a possibility for anyone to get information that you can't.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
I posted it here on my other name:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=2692292&postcount=204
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] hakushox:
I'm definitely going to pick up a HD when the North American version comes out. Unless another phone comes out to put it to shame. Samsung has a nice line-up coming out, so we shall see...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] naveen:
the problem with the samsung units, though very nice, is the lack of support from places like xda
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] naveen:
hey thanks, i really want to read about that. thank you for the information
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sdlopez83:
ditto black great post my man.. im faced right now on the lirr coming frm mcfaddens on 42nd n 2n