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[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
personally i dont care which sideit slides from, I justneed to step up from my 8525. i've had this little soldier for a long while and i think its time for him to move on. however, i just could never pay more than 300 for a cell phone. my at&t contract was up on friday (FREE AGENT BABY) and i was going to get the tilt but i'll wait a few months so i can see what at&t is going to do with this "Fuze". a dumass name IMO.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
Totally agree. The name sucks and it's a bit pricy. The name would have been better if they named it the AT&T Fuzion or Fusion. Fuze just sounds retarded =/ I hope it doesn't blow up. People would be like, "My at&t fuse just blew out." (sorry for the lame joke)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
so any new word on release or changes to it features, prices or any such things?

i read in another thread possibly 3rd week in september but anything semi official or close to?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] petard:
Krazie, don't call people crazy for paying $840 for a phone because you can't afford it. Kids are too annoying.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jkmiec3rd:
Fuze on Back order...

I just got off the phone with my local ATT Store. When I asked if she had any info on the Fuze, she said without skipping a beat. "Oh, Yea... it's on back order, we're waiting on delivery on those. They could be in as soon as the end of next week. If you want you can give me a call next week."

I look at that answer in one of two ways... either she has no idea what she's talking about and just instantly gave me a load of crap or this phone is really about to come out in the next week or two.

One can only hope it's the later.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Theutus:
Maybe i missed something, but I thought the Touch Pro was going to be capable of running Android? Has it been officially stated otherwise?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
I'm pretty sure it can run Android. BUT if it's on AT&T do you really expect them to release any kind of official OS firmware? I doubt it. However, I'm willing to bet that someone out there will successfully port it onto the Fuze.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Theutus:
Oh yeah, the greatest thing about Android is that it'll be ported to damn near everything that can run it... I wouldn't want the ATT branded version anyway... :D
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
lol me neither. You just know the AT&T logo will be plastered on the "desktop" and no matter how many times you drag it to the Bin, it keeps popping back up :rolleyes:
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Used WM my entire smartphone/PPC life, I'm just smart enough to know that Android has all of the things OSX and WM don't. I won't be getting the dream, as I don't have T-Mobile.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
It has never been talked about by Google, ever. Pure guess work at this point.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
I thought Android was made to work on pretty much any phone?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
They've talked about the end result being an OS for anything, but as for device-specific information they've released no information about anything but the G1. I suspect Android will be able to run on the Raphael, but I'd rather get a phone that's optimized for it, personally.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] clburns1:
Optimized for it? You mean a phone has has enough hardware to support it? Because they don't just make a little separate board or processor just for the android. All it needs is good hardware to run off of. And you were talking about how awesome it's gonna be...I really don't know, it just looks so old and basic to me. From how well I've seen WM working, I think I'm gonna stick to it until I see a difference. I refused to get an iPhone because it was the first of it's style, and I'm glad I didn't get it. Strictly due to the fact that it's so limited. I think in some(note that I said "some") aspects the android will be limited compared to WM. Plus look how many 100's of thousands of applications are out for WM. You can pretty much do anything imaginable with it.

And for all of you who hate how at&t mess up the rom...all you have to do is go to the HTC website, register your phone, then download their rom. For example I have the tilt (wm6.0) and I wanted to update it to WM6.1. at&t didn't have a rom so I just downloaded HTC's rom update. Now i'm still on at&t but running wm6.1 without at&ts poor rom. However I must say that it seemed like at&t's was more stable, but I'll leave that up to you guys to decide.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Sebrina:
How can you have an AT&T rom already, was the phone released?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thumbs:
To add some more fuel to this fire here is a picture I took today at work!

Note: I do not work at an at&t store just one that sells at&t phones and Sprint phones (can you guess?). Since its in our POS system at&t must have the phone and not want to make an announcement yet?!?! Hopefully its soon though because like most of you I want this phone and want it to have the 850 HSPA band.

This was taken from my Tilt...:)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
what is that radio shack?

i know its not best buy or circuit so thats my only guess

but great news. hopefully the 23rd is indeed the glorious day
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Theutus:
Best news i've seen so far.... :) Thanks for the snapshot.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
He said for his Tilt, not for the Fuze or the G1
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
*High 5's thumbs*

You da mannnn, son, you da mannn.

The Fuses are coming, the Fuses are coming!

*gallops down the streets yelling*
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
There are TONS of apps for Windows Mobile, and it's been around for like 6 years, wowww. Don't you love putting skins over your basic WM instead of just completely redesigning the OS itself? I don't know about everyone else, but I don't exactly appreciate the challenge of how to cover up the operating system to make it seem not so bad. If you don't understand the idea of how an operating system could be optimized to 1 device in particular, I don't even know what to say. There's more than specs to these phones, there are huge differences between the G1 and the Touch Pro even though their specs look very similar. But hey, you can count on WM6.1 and a ported Android, I'll grab a device that comes with it, and we'll see how it goes.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
Lol that was pretty funny.

My guess would have to be a Best Buy.... But that's an awesome snapshot man. I can't wait to get it but at the same time I have to. A family member that shall remain nameless took my upgrade, leaving me with his. In April :mad:
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
I'd be testing a ported version. I like Android and I'm sure a phone from AT&T that's optimized for it would be great but I'm not quite ready to make the jump from WinMo just yet. Here's to hoping the Fuse can get a WinMo7 update :rolleyes:
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
nah i work at best buy in the phones no less. but im at school now so cant help with rumors but i know that isnt our system
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
oh I'm a du mass lol. Look close at the top of the picture ;)

Wow I'm dense lol
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
hha wow i had looked at the sign cause i saw audio and somehow missed the gigantic R next to it

good job
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thumbs:
Well I thought that maybe the big "R" would have givin it away but yes I do work at RadioShack...

****BIGG UPDATE!!!!!!****

The Fuse for RS with contract price!!! with picture to prove!!!!

Can you wait?!?!?

$349.99... now that DOES NOT include any mail-in or instant rebates so espect the price to be lower with rebates! I'm thinking maybe an extra $100 off? Thats my GUESS! the only addon for the Fuze is the SIM card and thats where it tells us about the rebates and stuff

ok I will have to upload the pictures later :( RadioShack has WebSence and it blocks Gmail and there's no proxy arround it :( I get out of work at 4:30 EST so expect an update by 5 PM EST :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] brucewilsonpa:
Is there any way to restart this thread -- I've followed it since it sarted but it's become so long I find it almost impossible to scan through for new msg.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Sizpak:
If you remember where you were when you exited the thread, it will be easier to pick up where you left off. Your post was #403.

Also, Black, thanks for all of your early information the Raphael, and welcome back!

Siz
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
LOL the sad part is, I'm school for crim. justice b/c I want to be a detective :rolleyes:

That's great to hear! Can't wait for the shots
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
I'd bet on a $150 rebate, they probably want it to hit the golden $200 mark, not too much or too little.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Eh, I think every AT&T rebate I've seen has been $100 for a data package. $249.99 would still be a direct competitor for the iPhone.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
I've never seen a rebate over $100 either. But $250 isn't too bad at all. I'll most likely wait for a few refurb models to come out and then jump on those in April
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sdlopez83:
I think Its 2yr agreement or if your able to receive an upgrade + 2 rebates which make it $250.00 or 300. That is what I paid last year for my Tilt in Oct.

So I think what supplements the rebates are the ability to qualify for an upgrade or agree to add 2 yrs to contract.

Retail Price	$449.99 <---------------Off of ATT website ...And thats for the TILT right now!

2-yr Contract Price	$299.99

Total Due Today	$299.99

Mail-in Rebate via AT&T Promotion Card	- $100.00

Price After Mail-in Rebate	$199.99

You Save $250.00

NOTE: THIS BREAKDOWN IS FOR THE TILT CURRENTLY ON AT&T's WEBSITE not for FUZE
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] btprice2001:
What about the G1 though, isn't that $179.99 with contract?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
That's true but that's also for T-Mobile. We're all talking about the Fuze. The G1 can compete with the iPhone but when you look at it, they seem to be directed at different demographics. So I don't think it's much of a competition. Now a $199 Fuse could spark a fire under the iPhones ass
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thumbs:
Where did you see that? I just went to the business center website for at&t where they tend to "release" their phones first but didn't see it nor on the personal site? I know RS is more expencive when you buy it retail then going to the at&t store direct, about $50 more on the basic phone and could very well be $100 for the Fuze.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
That's also for T-Mobile... To compete with a device it doesn't need to be a better price, just within the same general price range. $180-250 isn't a very broad range, so I think all 3 devices will be in the same market.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
nice im actually in for the same thing just got back from crim class a little while ago

but its homecoming weekend so gotta break the law a whole lot this weekend seeing as im only 20

hopefully i still have the 250 left over it should cost for the fuze
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sdlopez83:
NOTE: there is an arrow pointing that says this is for the Tilt right now. I was just assuring my position where I stated that the price will be combined with contract or upgrade qualifications.

So one could assume the position that it will work the same for the FUze.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sdlopez83:
Sell a book dude you dont really need them all. lol
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
You sure don't lol. That's were my Fuze money is coming from :D
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thumbs:
Oh, sorry lol I didnt read the whole thing lol all I saw was some prices and got all excitied lol
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sdlopez83:
Yeah I thought that was gonna happen I should Have made it bold b/c it looked easy to overlook!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
We're officially under 3 weeks away from the rumored release date, when does AT&T plan on announcing this? :(
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Sebrina:
Here is my little update according to my local AT&T corporate store in NYC:

I went there to ask about the Fuze and the Manager told me the guy from the head office in NYC was currently in the back restocking phones. I asked her if she could ask him about the phone's release date and she called him out to the floor. He comes out and I ask if he knows about the Fuze he mentions he has heard about it and there is a training meeting on the 16th of this month. I asked if that meant that it would be released soon, he then told me that whenever one of those meetings takes place the phone officially launches a day or two thereafter.

Now having heard that from an official source with a nametag labeled AT&T and not just from some sales clerk I'm inclined to believe this. I've asked if they were absolutly sure because I was about to pick up another line and get a free phone until the launch date then return the free phone for the Fuze they said it would most certainly be way before the end of the 30day trial. So I picked up a freebie "loaner" and I'm happy to say I'll more than likely be a day one owner :). Just wanted to share my info with you guys.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Good deal, let's hope it's true. :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] wtiger5:
Fuze vs Tilt

I've had my eye on the Tilt for some time now, and now that I'm ready to take the plunge, I find out that the Fuze is right around the corner. I can get the Tilt right now for $50 (after rebates). Do you think it's worth the wait and extra $$$?

P.S. Anyone know if the Fuze will support aGPS?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Theutus:
I personally think it's worth the wait, but I guess it just depends on what your financial situation looks like. Think about it, people like us live on our phones, we use them day in and day out every day. I'd say $200.00 more is worth it considering how much we spend on other crap, and considering how much use you'll get out of it.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] 10332007:
I too would say its worth it for better hardware alone.

I wont be getting a discount due to being only one year into my contract but I dont care.

Hope the info is right, my current phone is not functioning quite properly :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] wtiger5:
The main differences between the Fuze and the Tilt that I see is ...faster processor, more RAM, TouchFLO interface (what am I missing?). I don't really care about the "tilt-a-bility" of the Tilt. I also haven't been able to find any information about whether or not the Fuze will suffer the same graphics driver issues that the Tilt has suffered. Hopefully HTC will have learned from their mistakes and actually include a driver this time (that's definately the biggest hesitation I have about the Tilt).

So basically, I'm looking at possibly $200 (actually $400 since I plan on buying two of them, one for me and my girlfriend) for a slightly faster phone with a fancy interface?

Of course all the benefits of the Fuze is really yet to be seen. But realistically speaking...is it THAT much better than the Tilt? (aGPS would be a nice feature in Fuze's favor if it in fact does support it).

Oh hey, look, there's a whole thread dedicated to comparing the Fuze (Touch Pro) with the Tilt (TyTN II). My Bad.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=414689
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
What happened to the update?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jeffpo:
Launch around Oct 13-14.

I am new to these boards so pardon my butting in here. My girlfriend is a finance rep for AT&T. Basically her job is tracking the cash and inventory of the store. She also does just about anything her manager asks her to do as well. It is part of her job to know when phones are launching before the sales reps know when they are launching. Her manager and assistant manager are already carrying the Fuze as we speak. I have toched it, held it, and played with it a bit as of Friday Oct 3rd. It's just after midnight my time now as I am writing this. My girlfriend found out today that the company is dropping shipments on Oct 13. That means that is the day the warehouses are shipping the phones to the stores. So the phones will be available in many locations on the 14th.

I don't have the pricing. However, as a former sales rep there myself if pricing for the Fuze is consistent with past HTC models, (Tilt, 8525, 8125), then expect full retail to be 599 and 2 yr contract would be 459 and if there is a rebate of 50 dollars would make it 399 after rebate. Yes it is pricey but it is SWEET. I want it. I want it. I want it. Trying to get my girlfriend to talk her manager into giving hers to me since she doesn't use it. :)

Enjoy the Fuze everyone. It is going to be a nice phone. PS. I haven't personally tested it, however, the assistant manager said you can take a picture of a business card with it and it will import the information into your contact list. Don't really know how useful that would be for me but it sounds cool.

Jeffpo

Sorry just signed up today. Haven't made a fancy signature like every one else has. That will come.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
Welcome to the community Jeff. That's great news to hear and I'm hoping you're right. The Fuze is going to be a great device and you do seem very sure but as a friendly warning, I hope you're ready to defend your comment. Some of us aren't as open to rumors and hint no matter how good they are lol
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jeffpo:
Thanks for the welcome Thunda. I've been reading several things on this site the last few days as I recently upgraded by Tilt with the official ATT rom. I'm not as brave yet as the rest of you all that are using the cooked roms. But that's ok. What I've learned and done so far I am totally thrilled with and wish I had started doing things sooner. Just really didn't want to brick a phone I paid full retail for. LOL

As for my statement I was just wanting to coroberate Sebrina's post. Most of the reps in my area DFW have had the Fuze training. So when that happens, usually the stores are waiting on their shipments. Some of the outlying areas may take a couple of more days for them to get them. My gf hasn't said anything about a "DON'T SELL" order like the iPhones had. So it should only be a couple of more weeks before they are officially relased. Let's all hope that anyway, right?!? LOL

Thanks again for the welcome Thunda.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] fcreeves:
LOL. Welcome to the forums...the above just proves that you're a newb and havn't started your cab collection yet. I'm not condemning or flaming. You're first post was not a question that could could have been answered be a simple search...just informative enthusiasm. You're just another addition to Fuze Frenzy. ...You came to the right place

...I havn't updated my sig, or my avatar (usually a screen shot of my today) in a while.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] trendsbze:
,

Think about it this way. You pay $1000 for the unlocked phone, get a sim card $30.00 and recharge as you need.

You pay $400 or more for the AT@T locked phone, what is the cheapest plan $60.00 or more without data, for two year contract you are already up to $1840.

This logic of course depends on how much you use your phone. For me, who travels a lot, unlocked is the way to go.

Also, I hate electronic stuff that binds me down to anyone or anything.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jsamuels:
I assume one could always unlock an AT&T version using the tools available here?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
No problem man. It's good to see a new member that knows their stuff and isn't asking those repetitive questions lol

I'm going to assume the same thing so getting one from AT&T won't bother me at all. I'd love to swing for an unlocked version but I think my wallet might be a little mad at me. And I have school to pay for first. My first semester was almost a grand so my opting to go with school instead of the phone was not a difficult decision
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] I8UB4:
I'm sure you can unlock the Fuze. It will help for traveling internationally, but the problem is that with the 850/1900 3G radio, you are pretty much locked to AT&T in the US anyway (unless you don't care about 3G). Even traveling internationally, it will only work on GSM because it is just a dual-band 3G radio.

I had been thinking at one point about getting an unlocked US version of the Touch Diamond, but it was the same situation where I would have been tied to AT&T and their 3G network anyway, so rather than spending $700 for an Unlocked Diamond, I decided to wait and spend $300 (or whatever) for a Fuze and just sign my life away for 2 years with AT&T. I will probably unlock it so I can use it in Europe with a local SIM card when I travel, but it doesn't make sense to use an unlocked Diamond or TP for most of the year in the US on T-Mobile with no 3G.

Worst case, I just pay AT&T the $200 early-termination fee and walk away, and I'm still a few hundred $ better off than if I had bought it unlocked.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jeffpo:
Thanks fcreeves. This may sound retarded because I haven't thought to search for cabs on this, but there are cabs for business card reading that would work on my Tilt???? I should have figured somebody would have done that. LOL

I might be a newb to this board but I'm not a newb to technology. I've done enough tech support for friends and family to know how tiring repetitive questions are. LOL So I'm smart enough to ask questions, just not the ones that answers can be easily found. LOL

I've read so much in the forums the last week I am in information overload right now. So I need to get myself organized and figure out exactly what it is I am going to want to do with my phone. I've been reading up on the whole GPS slow to lock issue after the upgrade to WM61. I am thinking I am going to go with GPS Proxy for jump starting my GPS reception. I was about to start trying the whole registry editing and manual settings stuff for that but have opted to do the GPS Proxy first to see if that works. Thankfully I found that info in another thread. Though I did opt to try that quick route for the GPS because I really started wondering "Can I get the slick looking interface I saw on the Fuze to work on my Tilt?" Turns out you can, so off to forums I go to search read and do more searching and learning.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
yeah its called tf2d just do search for that in the forums you can download it i have it running on my 8525

and you can even customize it with other software on here too all in cab format
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
It depends on your situation and I posted that a while ago lol.

First off. I have 3 people connected to 1 plan. I need to keep that plan. So thus, for me, it would make more sense to just get a contract and cheaper phone because I'm going to be staying in that plan anyways. The cheapest plan depends on who you are. I get 25% discount. So my plan, with messaging and data, is about $90. Mind you that's family messaging and data on 1 plan (3 lines). And as far as I know, the fuze will be around $600ish just retail, no contract. I'd still think getting it for $600 and having the pros of xda-developers make a unlocker for it. That still saves me $400. I don't need a front facing camera.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
No no no, his logic makes no sense at all. You buy the phone for $299-399, unlock it for free, pay the $175 ETF and OH MY GOD you have it for $475-575 instead of $1,000 and it's unlocked with no contract. So remind me again why you'd rather spend $1,000? Even if unlocking it through AT&T required your account to be in good standing for 90 days which I'm not sure it does, you could go on eBay and buy an unlock code for any AT&T phone for $5-10.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] RebelShadow:
Here's a thought... I am using the MediaNet data plan with AT&T for my internet on my trinity and will be using it for my TP when I get it. I pay $19 per month for unlimited internet which I use also with my exchange push mail, Pop3 email, teathering to my laptop and corp. VPN access.