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[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
well how bout the numbers keyboard and all that

if the test ones had the numbers moved why would they change it back

any other details?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
2nd, didn't I just post that a few pages back? :P
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] wmm:
Another sign of progress: HTC now have pages online for the HTC Fuze for AT&T. There's a nice picture, which does confirm the embedded numeric pad and symbols on the top row, as well as a detailed list of specs. (TV out and FM radio are not listed.)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sdlopez83:
****e, You gotta be kiddin me. Hopefully the hardware will still be there as far as the FM radio is concerned. I surmise that it will be and we will be able to take care of that
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] utvol06:
It says only 256MB of system RAM...wtf..is this a typo or did AT&T castrate the TOuch Pro from 288MB of RAM?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] venelar:
Black said the fm radio cab worked for his pre-release. Same with TVout iirc.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] raywright1:
no free tethering?

the wiki link has a sub-link for Fuze tips, and it says:

Description: Unable to tether device to a PC.

Details: Unable to use the device as a wireless modem; when trying to connect, the user gets “Remote Party has ended the connection”

Cause/Fix: An AT&T Laptop Connect plan is required in order to use the device as a wireless modem.

http://www.htcwiki.com/page/FUZE+Tips

EDIT: i don't think this has anything to do with the FUZE hardware. i suspect that if you use the old cingular GPRS credentials it might work (but maybe you give up some advantages of some newer infrastructure??). i thether my BJ1 for light use / emergencies and it works fine.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ACMilan07:
WHAT!?!?! oh man... am i going to have to stick with my tilt?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] petard:
No, you will just need to install a CAB from here and it'll fix that.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] renegadebmw:
Finally some real pictures of the phone, thanks for posting. This will get me through the weekend.

I kinda like the logo, nice and subtle. Now lets just hope we can easily remap that PTT button to something a little more useful.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] wmm:
Or maybe actually pay for the service you're using? (What a concept...)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] raywright1:
that's not entirely fair. i agree that a data plan is necessary, but why should i be able to stream huge amounts of slingbox video "for free" with my paid data plan, but pay another $30/mo just for the right to view a couple of web pages or get email when i'm in a parking lot waiting for my kids to finish what they're doing and come to the car? that, i think you would agree, is not fair or logical.

one acceptable approach would be to allow all data to flow over the connection, and if usage is truly outrageous, apply a surcharge at very high limits. but for a$30/mo data plan, you should be able to get a LOT of use out of the data connection.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] wmm:
I'm not going to try to defend AT&T's pricing strategy; I agree that it's not very logical and that it costs more than it should. It just struck me as a bit funny that someone would be bent out of shape that AT&T might actually start enforcing the terms of service that he/she explicitly accepted as a prerequisite for opening an account.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
is anyone else completely dissappointed that the 5th row is not used for numbers? i think that is just ridiculous, they've butchered a beautiful keyboard. software re-map anyone?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] NotATreoFan:
This is no different than AT&T's policy with the Tilt. As part of their ROM customization, they delete shortcuts to Internet Sharing, and point everyone to Wireless Modem. Wireless Modem requires a tethering plan (because it uses isp.cingular), but browsing to the Windows directory and launching IntShrUI (Internet Sharing) will bring up the program we all know and love that allows us to connect using MEdia Net.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] raywright1:
yes, i'm disappointed too. i was attracted to the device as it was originally built. i'm not happy about losing the front camera, the numeric keys, the keyboard color change. with ICS in question, and with winterface looking as nice as touchflo3d, maybe i'll get some other devices on my radar screen. i'm trusting that the fm & video out cabs will bring back those features.

it's really gonna come down to actually touching and seeing one during a 30-day trial. unfortunately there just aren't alot of choices, and AT&T knows that.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] raywright1:
thanks for that.

so wap.cingular is the key to having tethering flow over the regular data-plan with the other internet traffic?

since we're on the subject, do you have any opinion of WMWiFiRouter? (i realize the same thing can be accomplished without it, but is the convenience worth the price)?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] wmm:
No, actually, I'm happy they went with the embedded numeric pad. It's a lot easier to type a phone number or a cell value in Excel with all the number keys close together rather than spread from edge-to-edge in a single row. Having all those symbols available without a shift key is a big win, too.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] nilisco:
Yes, but it looks like the keyboard is back to a black color unlike the previous engineering sample pictured that had that terrible shade of gray/white. Slight win there.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
Yeah I agree. I like the new setup. It's more convenient to me
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] NotATreoFan:
Yes, wap.cingular is for all MEdia Net plans, and isp.cingular is for tethering and laptop connect plans.

I can't offer an opinion on WMWiFiRouter since I have never used it.

I also like the alternate keyboard. For the same reason I bought an 18.4 inch laptop (well, one of the reasons) was because I like my numbers grouped together. Spread out across the top makes numerical entry take longer.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
is it fairly intuitive to use/ do you get used to it? personally coming from a wizard, i can agree that the symbols were a pain in the butt, but i kinda liked having the numbers up there...

anyway i guess i'm just going to bite the bullet and try it. Honestly, this is the only viable option for a phone for me right now... i need an upgrade from at&t (3 years since last), wizard broke, and this device has most (if not all) the specs i am looking for. I'm counting down the days till oct 23rd. you can bet i'll be waiting outside of my local at&t to snatch one up.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] wmm:
And if the release date actually turns out to be November 3, as most recently reported, I hope you bring your tent and porta-potty. ;)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
hah, i'm still hoping for the 23rd. where was nov 3rd listed, i'm not sure how i missed it...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Sebrina:
Lately everyone has been saying Nov 3rd but my local ATT said they would have it about a week after training which is on the 16th (making that the 23rd) theres a bulletin online that says the 23rd and everyone saying the 3rd has no evidence whatsoever to support the fact.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
yeah, i saw the 3rd posts now. i'm going to continue to be cautiously optimistic, in hoping for the 23rd, but if it is really the 3rd then so be it. as long as i can get a phone...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Scoop3:
The third kinda works out well also, as it within a 30 day window of black friday, so SHOULD the device go on sale after thx-giving... early adopters should be eligible to receive said discount on their previously purchased device!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
true, if it comes out earlier, that might be incentive to be a little bit more patient...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] wmm:
Hmm... I wonder if it's coincidence that Sony Ericsson is announcing their plans for North American availability of the Xperia X1 on November 3, as well?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
Personally, there was kind of a adjusting period when I switched from my 8125 to the 8525. But, as with most new things, you get used to it fairly quickly and then it's difficult to readjust to the older method. I wish I could get one and be like all the cool kids LOL but I can't so I'll just keep waiting for my turn
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jtsurfs:
Don't post here often, but have been reading up on the Fuze. I am desperately anticipating the release of this phone. My 8525 is about to die. I hope for Oct 23rd but will settle for Nov 3rd if I have to.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] NotATreoFan:
I got screwed by the $149 Tilt for Black Friday last year, so I'll be purchasing the Fuze no earlier than October 30th so I can protect my wallet. ;)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] samuel20709:
The Fuze better hurry up :(

My Herms Died on me about 2 weeks and i'm phone-less

I might be tempted to join my mom's sprint plan :(
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
dont do it! just hold it

actually go buy a att pay as you go phone for 15 bucks put your sim in and your good til the fuze is out im about to have to do that thanks to my hermes as well
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] naveen:
i hear what you are saying, but att needs to put their stamp somewhere on the device. it sucks, i know, but a part of life.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] naveen:
wow!!! nice find!!!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] TaurenSnake:
Funny how all the Hermes devices (mine included) are dying just weeks before the Fuze comes out.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] naveen:
mine is holding on too. what has kept me from buying the tilt to hold me over has been installing new roms on my 8525, it keeps the 8525 refreshed with a new look all of the time. it is a money savings!:D
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Well, those old broken down 8525's won't have to last much longer, the Fuze is cominggg!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] samuel20709:
Yea but i need a Qwerty keyboard !
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] naveen:
no you dont;)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
You know what I need? A capacitive touch screen. I'm still pissed the Fuze doesn't have one. :(
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] rshiggs:
So I found this posting on the att wireless forums (jimmynotch) ...

"I bought my 8525 on Dec. 15th two years ago and loved it till two days ago when someone stole it. I just got off the phone with AT&T sales and the woman I spoke to said that the release date of the Fuze would be November 19th. She said it would be available on the web first, then in stores soon after. Given that I am now having to wait beyond the rumored Nov. 2nd date and I desparatly need a new device, I am almost thinking jumping ship and going with the dumb iPhone."

I REALLY hope it's not true and that we can see this device sooner. Why would that CSR give a date when no other one has yet?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] cincy1020:
Because they often make things up :(

Don't know if you remember the whole WM6.1 wait, but the CSRs etc, said 8 million dates that never panned out.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
A little tid bit from those good ol' Engadget boys

http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/11/latest-spy-shot-shows-atandt-fuze-defaced-with-carriers-logo/
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
they got those pics from the other fuze thread on here :p
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
No way!?! Those bastards. :mad: lol
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ACMilan07:
who said nov 3rd??

i'm not going to school until the att fuze comes out, im not going to be able to take my midterms with this on my mind.. i feel like someone who got out of a 6 year marriage!

why does att mess with our heads? it's kinda like waiting for fifa 2009..
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mtlChris:
ac milan is the best!!!!! hahaah

but back to the fuze, i agree.....i need it right now! whay cant we just have an announcement att!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] naveen:
they are usually the last ones with info. and usually the info is sourced from xda or hofo.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jeffpo:
Naveen

You couldn't be more right about that statement. When I was in the call center in credit and activations/analyst review we were always the last ones to know about new phones and capabilities. What made that even worse is that we were the ones that set up new accounts for the reps and agents out in the various stores. Shouldn't it be a part of our job to know what phones we had and what they could do? But when new phones did come out we never got emails telling us where we could get accurate info to relay to the reps and agents. They were always asking when this or that is coming out? We often had to make up BS answers just so we could what they needed done, done and get them off our line so we wouldn't get in trouble for going over allowed call times. So much for "One Call Resolution". That's why I got to hate the company so much I don't work there any more. As many as you have experienced, the corporate culture of AT&T says to their empolyees, "Service the customer right, no matter what it takes." But the reality of management pressure is "get them in and get them out" for high productivity numbers so we can show investors we are operating efficiently. Sorry for the rant folks but just giving the truth from someone that use to be on the inside.

But as for the Fuze and when it comes out you can only trust someone that has a close friend in the stores that they trust that will tell tell them the truth.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Scoop3:
last month blew by, but this one seems to be goin' super slow... /sigh

am I the only one?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
sooo slow. especially now that i'm looking in to accessories/customizing the phone before i even have it. the anticipation is killing me.

if only i could decide whether or not to fork over the money for a data plan... any thoughts from those who have/don't have it?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
I never got a data plan for my 8525 or even my 8125. The only thing I opted for was the unlimited messaging plan b/c I bang out at least a few thousand text a month. I just used wifi whenever I really need it and it's available. I've been going just fine with that. And I'll keep it that way when I switch to the Fuze.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ramz1286:
does anyone know if the unlocked NAM touch pro will be sold at best buy or is it just speculation?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Eventually it will, but it won't release with the Fuze.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] baboola:
i thought bb doesn't usually sell unlocked north american version phones? aren't they tied to certain carriers? (e.g. diamond)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] wmm:
Somebody who claims to work for Best Buy said on HowardForums that they will have the Touch Pro in December.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Sebrina:
Diamond is on Best Buy's site right now so are alot of other known smartphones why wouldn't they sell the TP?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] wmm:
They already have the unlocked Touch Diamond in stock (for $700).
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
best buy sells many unlocked north american phones including the n95 and the diamond in store and more online

i work there
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] baboola:
cool...if that's the case...unlocked TP sounds much sexier than Fuze :rolleyes:
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
why?

you pay an extra 150 a least and you can just unlock the fuze for free?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] baboola:
well...if AT&T does indeed decide to downgrade Fuze compared to the Euro TP, I wouldn't mind spending a bit more, especially since I'm still in the middle of my contract
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Yeah, but they didn't... Not in the version I had, at least.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] baboola:
that's even better news! I was feeling uneasy cuz of specs showing 256MB RAM on fuze. can you confirm how much RAM there is on the pre-release Fuze? thanks
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
Looks like the official version will be watered down. I posted this somewhere else but I don't feel like looking for it

http://tiltmobility.com/2008/10/att-fuze-specs-hit-htc-wikicom/
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] chase10784:
MMS without Data plan?

I was wondering with this phone (my sis has the blackberry Pearl and she cant send MMS's) can you send picture messages without a data plan? I would love to get this phone because it looks awesome and pretty much has everything i want but i just dont want to buy a data plan but i want to be able to send picture messages. We have the unlimited messages add on, on our plan so idk what that means if anything.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] volcomnator999:
on at&t you dont..i have a the family unlimited sms and mms and im the only one with a data plan and my sister and mom get mms's
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] chase10784:
So i should be able to use picture messages without the data plan on this phone? I'm not sure why my sis cant send pic messages with her phone (I hear BB's have issues with them i guess)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
do ur sis and mom have smart phones?

im pretty sure any smartphone has to at least have data available and not blocked to recieve and send mms
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
yeah he's right about that. I also have the unlimited text and mms add on but in order to send and receive mms I had to activate the pay per use data service. so a specific data plan isn't necessary. the Fuze should be fine without a data plan
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Yeah, when I had the Fuze I looked at the device info and it said 288RAM, 512ROM, 528mhz MS7201A... Same as the European Touch Pro.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] NotATreoFan:
288mb RAM vs 256mb RAM is not enough for me to care and/or justify buying an unlocked Touch Pro.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] raywright1:
i have an unlimited family message plan with three teenage daughters that topped 10K messages last month (SMS & MMS combined) and none of them have data plans. messages (even MMS) are free within the limits of your message plan. it's unrelated to the handset that sends/receives them.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] chase10784:
see, the problem with that is my sister has a blackberry pearl and there is something about the phone that wont allow her to send picture messages but myself and my mom (who dont have smartphones or blackberry's) have no problem doing either, although my phone is so old it takes some time to receive them. Thats why i was curious if this smartphone was different in the fact that with just a unlimited messaging plan will allow MMS.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] volcomnator999:
no..they both have flip phones...forget what models..i have the Tilt

weird that your sisters blackberry cant send mms's
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
I wasn't saying I used data to send mms. I meant that in order to have my phone specifically connect to the network and send them out and retrieve them, I need access to the data stream. For whatever reason when I switched from the MediaMax bundle to the Unlimited messaging it switched off my access. Either way, all phones, not just ppc's and smartphones, need to connect to the data network in order to send mms. It's just charged as a message and not data use, otherwise I'd be broke right now :rolleyes:
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] chase10784:
Yea, she is not happy about that now. The guy at the At&t store said it should work but when she got home it didnt. Thats part of the reason she wants a new phone now. She didnt mind it at first (within the 30 days) but she has realized how much she wants pic messaging. I've read on other sites it has something to do with the OS thats installed on it but she isnt too technological so she probly couldnt find out how to fix it.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jeffpo:
You are absolutely right Thunda about having the data plan to send MMS. I missed whoever it was that has the BlackBerry that won't send MMS, but the reason it won't send is they do not have a data plan on the BlackBerry phone. AT&T won't "allow" the BlackBerry's to have the regular pay per use MediaNet data package. They want you to get the BlackBerry data package, of course. Last I heard they have programs setup to find BlackBerry IMEI's in the system and verify if they have the pay per use MediaNet plan. If it does, it get's removed. Since the MMS relies on that data connection, if it isn't there, it just doesn't work.

I know this because I use to be one of the guys giving the bad news that "You have to have a BlackBerry data plan for MMS to work properly."

I don't know if they are sweeping for other PDA's like the Tilt or the coming Fuze. But either way, what is the point in getting a high functioning phone like the Fuze if you aren't going to be surfing the net and sending email with it???

Just my 2 cents,

Jeffpo
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] weaselcossey:
They always screw something up.....

What happened to the dedicated row of number keys?

I guess we'll still get to choose between the two, but i'd buy the original just for the keyboard layout. Assuming AT&T's 3G is working on the Pro at the time of purchase.

They fixed a couple of keyboard buttons, then they just had to keep screwing with it until they messed something up. Letters and numbers should require one key press.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sdlopez83:
Are the AT&T reps having a meeting today? Someone posted a long ways back that they have a meeting scheduled for Oct 16th. Hopefully some new or confirmed info on the Fuze obviously.

Can anyone confirm?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Everyone I've spoken with that has used the Fuze (including myself of course) has agreed that the symbols row is more functional in basic typing, but if you really want numbers you can pay like $300 more for an unlocked Touch Pro. I would've used the symbols, not including commas and periods, 5 times in this post, and hit the function key twice for numbers.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] weaselcossey:
It makes entering passwords a pain, since all of mine are letter and number combinations. Most of the time when i'm typing something on my phone, proper grammar/punctuation isn't all that important. Periods and commas should be easily accessible, and the period should under no circumstance be embedded.

There should be a dedicated row of number keys, imo anyway, because one often enters several numbers in a sequence. Symbols are nearly always one at a time.

On a side note, does no one else find it annoying that AT&T's embedded number pad (as on the tilt) is backwards from that on a "real" keyboard? Before you ask, I am well aware of how many symbols I used in this post, but this isn't the only thing I do with my kaiser.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m.carroll:
what your saying is implying that the number pads on ALL phones are backwards.

phones are always:

123

456

789

*0#

it is, for its primary purpose a phone, thus the phone numberpad would make logical sense
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
That's exactly why there SHOULDN'T be a row of numbers! You enter numbers up to 10 at a time, and you hit the function key twice to lock it, then enter all of those numbers. Why would you want to hit the function key many more times to insert individual symbols?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] wmm:
I agree with your facts, but I think that they lead to the opposite conclusion. BECAUSE I often type a bunch of numbers at a time, I want them to be nicely grouped into a numeric pad instead of spread out across the whole width of the keyboard. Hit FN twice to lock the keyboard into numeric mode, type the string of numbers on the ten-key pad, and hit FN to go back to regular alpha mode -- much easier, IMHO, than having to use both thumbs, reaching all the way to the top row, and having to hunt-and-peck the numbers. Symbols, being entered one at a time, means that I have to hit FN once for each, twice as many keystrokes for each. The revised keyboard is definitely more convenient than the original TP, from my perspective.

Well, we're stuck with that, I'm afraid -- the calculator and phone keypads have always been upside-down from each other ever since Bell invented touch-tone dialing back in the 1960s.