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[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Bxsteez:
Well this is fairly simple at least in my case. What i would do is buy the HTC Touch Pro and buy the fuze and then unlock it and sell it for the price of the touch pro or close to it and then you got the HTC version basically for the price of the fuze. :-D

Most people who are going to want this probably already used up the whole contract discount to get the At&t tilt so they aren't up for a upgrade for another year so either way they are paying an arm and a leg for a new phone. I think 1000 dollars for a camera, video player, internet device, mp3 player is a steal!!! That doesn't even include all the other random crap you can do with ur phone... Like compile C/C++ code :-D
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
A steal??? Seriously? I can pay $550/$650. $1k is just too much. I could do soo much more with those $300. Build a computer, buy something useful, etc... You could buy it and sell it for the price of a regular touch pro but that wouldn't work. No front camera, ptt button, a bit different/crippled somehow. I would probably sell my tilt for $350 and shell out $200. 200 doesn't seem like much to me vs the $1k/500% more that people are paying to get a Touch Pro.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Bxsteez:
I don't know who is paying 1k for the touch pro. I can buy one right now for 840. I can definitely see myself selling the fuze for around 7 or 8 hundred without a problem and i would still have my kaiser to sell if chose to, which i won't. And you can build a computer for 1k but then ur paying 1k for somethign that will suck and will not be as portable either. I guess my point is ur buying like 8 devices in one. Seems like a great deal to me. I use my kaiser to its full capability so i can see the use of these great phones. And playing with all these new devices landed me a job with Apple :-D

Yea i know i'm gonna work for apple but i will never own an iphone lol.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
FM radio is not there, nor is the G-sensor calibration tool (can be downloaded). There is a push to talk button on the left side.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
$550/$650 still better than $840.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Bxsteez:
That is true it is better but then you are stuck with these limitations. But lets be perfectly honest no one only buys things they need. And its far from a useless buy if you use it regularly as more than a phone. Of course if you buy the HTC version and never use FM Radio and never use the front facing camera that you should just wait and hope that the fuze is sold for less than 800. I think its a cool device and would pay 1k without a problem and if i then think its a waste can always sell it.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
True true. AT&T has yet to implant video calling :( and I use FM radio so that should be cool if I can activate it in the Fuze. I could use the front camera as a mirror :p The fuze IS going to be sold for less than $800. I know this for a fact. AT&T phones /w contract are NEVER over $600. I think the max I saw a phone for was when the Tilt first came out for $500? Or was it $550? Well I guess from your point of view $1k is worth it, but from a 15 year old kid's point of view $1k is a lot of money. I only buy things I need :) I use my tilt for a lot of things. I didn't just buy it thinking, "Omgawd it's so kool I want it." But I guess I'm just one of the select few that were raised right :rolleyes: I kid. I bet some people make/saved/got enough to pay for the Touch Pro.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Bxsteez:
Well i would have to say you are using need very loosely. I don't think u needed a tilt to sustain life. Its something u wanted. You could've bought a razor so i think ur using need very loosely. I dunno about the fuze being less than 600 without contract which is how i would assume most people who bought the tilt will be buying it.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
Everyone has different needs. I need to do work. I need to use it's calendar. I need my music to live my life :) I use most of the tilt's features. I use office mobile to do my homework most of the time where a laptop is not accessible. I use music when I'm not so calm and might <sarcasm> kill somoene </sarcasm> I use wi-fi to talk to my friends ocassionally and help others with stuff as I do tech support as a job. I use the calendar to keep me in check since I'm so busy to remember everything. I use the touchscreen to write notes and keep them safe. I think you're wrong. Everyone that is here right now that has 200+ posts...needs a phone to sustain life. I'll bet you there is not one person here that can live without a phone with pda features. I was actually thinking that I'd sell my Tilt now and use a razr that is lying around in my house, but I know I can't live without the touchscreen and all the features that keep me in check so I won't. At least not until I have my hands on another pda phone.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] anandoc:
Are you serious dude? Wow...a hard working kid for sure :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
Rofl not really hardworking. More like lazy and forgetful. I did a major essay twice in school that same day it was due. Put a bt keyboard out, started to type, emailed it to myself, opened in library, edited, printed, turned in 2 hours later. And believe it or not, I got a well 95% ish on those two essays.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Bxsteez:
I guess that is the idea. U have to know the difference between what you feel and what is real. You don't need a phone to live. U want one to live the way u want. There was plenty of life before the microchip was even made lol.. don't get me wrong i don't ever wanna go without my hi tech computer in my hands whenever i want it but that is not a necessity for life.

Hw on ur phone hmmmm must not be doing much math hw on there. hehe...

i use to do some C programming on my phone when i was in college and yea it was for the same reason lazy and forgetful lol
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sdlopez83:
I agree man... I am getting nervous. They should have told us by now. If it was coming out the 29th we should be hearing about it next week. The Know nothings at the AT&T store usually get informed 2 weeks prior.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
were sposed to be hearin somethin today

hope there is news
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] atsitalian:
I hope so too. Wanting to get rid of iPhone and come back to Winmo functionality
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
well my 8525 was already on the outs and in the last 5 days i had a memory leak so i had to do a hard reset then starting 2 days ago the screen keeps unalligning itself andddd i think the touch is about to die or something. plus white screen keeps coming

better be soon
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] cyjeff:
SPRINT Touch Pro announcement... from SOTI!!

I think the guys at SOTI may have let the Touch Pro Sprint cat out of the bag....From an email I just received...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Weststar:
^^^

Hmm. I live right next to San Mateo. Somewhat random to hold an event there. I might have to skip and check it out!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] cyjeff:
Soooo....

If Sprint gets the Pro on Sept 25, can ATT expect it around Nov 1?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] clburns1:
Yes if sprint did release it then than ATT will more than likely release the pro at the end of October or first week in November. However I'm having the absolutely worst time deciding between the X1 and the TouchPro...plus multiple rumors have released that the x1 will be coming in Mid September - Mid October.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] I8UB4:
It has already been announced. Sprint is getting the Touch Pro on October 19th:

http://blogs.zdnet.com/mobile-gadgeteer/?p=1428
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] atsitalian:
OK Out With IT

OK Kraize, since you are "in the know" the 12th has come and gone and... well... the rest of us would like to know too.... Release Date and Price for ATT
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sdlopez83:
Don't be surprised if Kraize is banned again. That is the only reason i can think of for his absence.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] petard:
I doubt he knows anything, its just some dumb kid trying to mess with people here.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] kevinniven:
Price

Here it is, Pro Price $599 or $299 with two year contract. I was given the Diamond for the weekend and I hate to say, I'm going to wait for the new HD!

This thing is small and its hard to work the Flo 3D on such a small screen!

Also even with the new rom it feels slow. I'm hoping by the time the HD comes out these things will be fixed. Also I have to say the 8525 is the best as far as performance and all around usability. Don't get me wrong, I was hoping the diamond would be the answer but its not. I suggest you spend some time with it in the store before you buy.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
is that for AT&T? if so, when can we expect it in stores? and you're right on about the 8525. i just want to see if the Fuze can top it. if not ill just switch back and throw the Fuze on ebay
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] kevinniven:
Date

AT&T Oct 15th
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] urby86:
Seriously? When will that be official?

EDIT: I saw the info you posted above. I'd still like to know when this will be announced.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] kevinniven:
Not Sure

That's all I was told. Sorry!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] TheDuck:
I was afraid of that...Diamond and Pro screens are much closer in size to my Razr v3xx than the iPhone or Pro HD!!

so...the big question is: when will the new HD be available from AT&T????

Be seeing you,

The Duck
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
Bah. To all your comments that say I'm a stupid kid trying to mess with you. You're retarded. In what right mind would ANYONE try to do that? I don't find that amusing. I would have told you more but I was banned for 4 days cause I was being stupid :P

Yeah. The dude that said Oct 15th is close. Sep 25th WAS the set date. It was changed 3 days ago. I have no idea if HD is going to even come to AT&T.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
well i guess all we can do is wait then. we've got quite a few dates though, sept 29, oct 15, late oct early nov, it'll be an interesting wait
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
welcome back buddy. hope you learned your lesson lol
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] intothevoid:
I just saw this over at mobilewhack http://www.mobilewhack.com/htc-raph101-pda-phone/

They are saying the release date might be NOV 30th. I hope its wrong and it comes out sooner.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
i sure hope thats not correct
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] atsitalian:
Me too. If it is Nov 30, I may just stick with my iPhone 3G and see if it adds any more functionality (which I doubt) and then see how close the HD is to being released. I do love the big screen of the iPhone but miss some of the Winmo functionality.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Ayle:
No more functionality will be added by Apple( the only thing left to add by them is freaking copy paste), you might as well jailbreak it.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
the HD looks real nice but i really need a keyboard and i doubt that att will get the HD or the diamond anytime soon just so it wont compete with the iphone
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] eschatar:
Bluetooth when you really NEED a keyboard?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
thats a whole nother thing to carry around then. and when i send up to 9000 texts in a month the on screen one just wont do
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
just 9000? lol that aint nothing. the HD looks awesome but i doubt AT&T will pick up a device that could take away revenue from the precious iPhake
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] fhsieh:
I think the HD with Swype (because of the larger screen) will be nice. Not as good as a full hardware keyboard, but a good step closer.

I'd also love to see it on T-mobile US, so I can have a WCDMA 1700mhz device to play with :p
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] galaxys:
HD latest rumors: probably be available in the USA at the end of December with AT&T...we can only hope! Maybe even befor the Fuze the way it's going...

http://htchd.com/rumors/
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
IF your right about that then that means I have a VERY difficult decision to make :rolleyes: come christmas time. But I'm still hoping that the Fuze doesn't disappoint. oh yeah and that link is dead.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
I'm keeping my tilt for a while now that Manilla 2D was released. Guess I'll wait a bit. The reason I really wanted it was the form factor and the TF3D. I guess TF2D won't be that bad lol. But I really want a HD now. I mean I don't care about only a on-screen keyboard. I mean if you look at it. It HAS to be captive ts. It should be. and if it is, TouchPal + Captive TS = Win over iphoney.

Personally I tried TouchPal with the Omnia and it was very nice. I wouldn't care for a hardware keyboard then. (I think I spelled captive wrong btw) >.>

I guess I'll wait. And I really do hope that the HD comes to AT&T. But that's another story. We won't even see the HD announced (offically) till Q1 of 09.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] fhsieh:
HD specs include stylus, so no capacitive touch.

Not that it would make sense, anyway; WM6 pro is touch-enabled, but not multitouch-enabled. Maybe Android or WM7, but there's nothing that suggests the HD will be using either of those. Then again, if the HD doesn't come out until much later next year, there's plenty of time for both software and hardware revision.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] atsitalian:
whatever comes out first that I can get 3G win ATT is found to be what I get. If it is the Fuze so be it but I will switch up to the HD or whatever has a larger screen when the time comes. I really missed the larger screen when I switched from the Angel to the Apache and now that I have the iPhone I am nor looking forward to going back to a smaller screen but will because the Winmo functionality is more important than the larger screen. Either way any device I go with will have to support 3G is HSPA.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] galaxys:
try this one bro...see "Pricing" heading!

http://htchd.com/rumors/
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
thanks for the heads up man. i checked through the site and i dont know if im fully turned away from my Fuze desires but that HD has definitely turned my head. my main concern is memory and price though. the larger screen on the HD is beautiful no doubt, but for my needs i need a keyboard and lugging a bluetooth keyboard would look goofy as all hell when im on a bus or anywhere public lol. but the way i see it if the Fuze fails to meet my expectations ill just throw it on ebay and pick up the HD just to try it out
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] galaxys:
Coool, sounds like a plan! I've given up on the fuze, because of the HD specs, 3.8" screen and I don't need a keyboard (other than the on screen which has progressed conciderably). I'll hold on to my trusty workhorse Hermes for now ;)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
good ol' Hermes, possibly one of HTC's best and most stable devices IMHO
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
no way is it the most stable. have you seen the white screen issue?

literally everytime i slide my keyboard the screen fades to white i have to go to standby everytime i wana use the keyboard. its quite awful

now other then that. yes very nice
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] galaxys:
Never seen it nor do I want 2! So, U tried to resolve it here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=321163
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
I've already started just using my onscreen TouchPal keyboard on my kaiser just to get used to it xD haha. It's not bad, but I prefer precise input. So it fits my needs. I guess the screen resolution can also help in touching the precise area. If it has more pixels, it might be more accurate. Or am I just completely stupid and would someone care to bash me on that >.>
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
i cant take it apart haha . i have the worst luck with electronics and if i start messin with it i gaurentee it will stop working entirely
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
lol i agree that it doesn't seem as if it were meant for just anyone to try. but i've never had the issue myself so all in all im good with mine
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] petard:
With Touchflo2D I lost some excitement for the Fuze. If it isn't too expensive, I will buy it right away, but if it is over $400 I am definitely waiting until its price drops.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
Same! I totally lost a lot of excitement. I love TF2D. I would love to see TF3D on QVGA devices though. I think I'll wait for the HD. Depends though really on the size. I mean if it's the same size as the iPhone and about $400, I'm all in. I'd prefer form factor over keyboard. The diamond would have been a win-win for me if it had a microSD slot.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] galaxys:
It's almost the exact same size of the iphonie...price unknown.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
I know it's almost the same size. But I want to know what the EXACT size is. They said the diamond was almost the size of the iPhoney >.>
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sdlopez83:
I've also lost that loving feeling (towards the Fuze) since the manila came out. Might just stick with my good ol kaiser till the HD comes like you guys will. Also will save me an upgrade. Wouldn't want to lose that!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
Upgrades are priceless! ;) I mean it doesn't matter to me if I'm stuck in a contract or not. Same difference. It's not like I'm going to stop using my service anytime soon. What difference would it make if I was in a contract or free of one? I'm still using the plan, so might as well get a cool phone for cheap too :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] master athlon:
Size and other details!

Kraize, got you the official size for the HD, other details are also listed. Pay careful attention though, i see no 850 mhz band listed!:eek:

Here's the linky
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
Thanks! Me want! I hope they support the 850mhz band. :( Otherwise this won't be a iPhoney killer because the iPhoney is mostly USA.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] petard:
It is pretty ridiculous that the diamond doesn't have a microSD slot. 4GB is nothing. a 4GB microSD is only around $20.

The Touch HD is going to have a ridiculous price if AT&T doesn't subsidize it!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
Totally true. Sorry to break your bubble. An 8gb microSD is about $20 where I live. 4gb about half that, and 2gb half that, a 1gb is about $2 here.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] fhsieh:
The specs are out there.

- Touch HD: 115 x 62.8 x 12mm; 4.0" screen

- iPhone 3G: 115 x 61 x 11.6mm; 3.5" screen

So the HD is a mere 1.8mm wider and 0.4mm thicker, but makes much better use of its front face with a much larger screen.

Of course, this has nothing to do with the Fuze.

:p
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
lol it sure doesnt have a thing to do with the Fuze but oh well both are more or less equally the **** :D
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
Okay let's break it down. Mostly differences. We all know the similarities. Wi-Fi, aGPS, TF3D, etc.

Fuze:

Business owners

Full keyboard

VGA

TV-Out

Multi-touch capable buttons

No headphone jack :(

Kaiser like battery life

HD:

iPhoney killer owners! :D

No keyboard

WVGA (I want SXVGA :O)

(Was TV-Out confirmed for the HD?)

(Buttons are multitouch? - Rumored, unconfirmed)

Headphone jack! (3.5mm) - This is huge to me.

Stereo speakers! :) - Also huge. Listen to music without headphones

8hr battery life :( - I hope it's not THAT bad

(850mhz band - Not know if it has it, but most likely it will!)

Tell me more and I'll add it to my list lol.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] fhsieh:
I'd get both :D

Although I'd love it if the HD came out on T-mobile US 3G.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
Hey if I could afford it I definately would! :D

I guess if both of them do come to AT&T, I could upgrade one of my lines and another line in my contract and switch off with my dad or something like every week. Best of both worlds :D
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sdlopez83:
@ Kraize. Are there any SXVGA devices coming out or that you've heard of thus far? Have there been any rumours about any devices having SXVGA... (Dream maybe, omni??)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] fhsieh:
Wow, SXGA (1280x1024) ? The only kind of displays I've heard with that kind of resolution use it only in sub-pixel rendering.

The Touch Pro already packs in VGA in 2.8" for 288dpi. A number of new Japanese phones now use Full-WVGA (854x480) in 3.3" displays for 296dpi. To reach SXGA at that pixel density, you'd need a 5.5" display. I'm pretty sure the Dream/Omnia aren't 5.5" devices. :rolleyes:
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] btprice2001:
http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=64790
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] TheDuck:
Thanks! That's about as fast an official confirmation after a leak as I've ever seen! It's certainly a relief to see quad band confirmed! "850/900/1800/1900 MHz"

As much as I'd like a keyboard, HD's screen size just beats the Diamond/Pro's teeny screen...I hope AT&T can move as fast as HTC did with this one!

Be seeing you,

The Duck
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] proc:
However, do please note that the HSDPA is only 900/2100 - which isn't so good for either USA or half of the Australian networks in the first iteration. Going by past history, they'll probably release an adjusted iteration for the 850 MHz networks, but later than the first release.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Captain_Throwback:
Wow.

It seems like this thread has become a Touch HD thread rather than a "Fuze" thread . . .

But anyway, TouchFlo3D is still better than what I'm using right now, and I do like the feel of an actual keyboard, so I'm sticking to the Fuze. Plus, since its rumored and very likely that Windows Mobile 7 supports multi-touch, and we know the Pro has that capability, perhaps there will be a future upgrade to WM7 that will make the Pro more iPhone-like? (not that I care, personally)

And even if there isn't, this community does have a way of making those things happen . . . :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
the Captain has a point. lets bring the discussion back to its roots. does anyone have any updates as to when AT&T will let this dog out of its cage?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Shammyh:
i second that motion, and move to dismiss all further references to another thread, perhaps one titled "touch hd" as opposed to "the fuze". and on that note:

doesn't it seem odd to anyone that there haven't been any announcements about the "fuze" from att, given it's supposedly upcoming release?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] thunda_chunky:
i agree. so far the only thing we've seen from AT&T was that google cache page from last week that has since vanished. i think we should've had at least a coming soon announcement
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] TheDuck:
Oooh....you're right....bummer :(

Thanks for the caution!

I might have to get the Touch Pro while waiting....I suppose it'll keep value for a few months on eBay, and one of my kids really wants a keyboard phone....Touch Pro hand me down would be better for him than a Tilt!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jkmiec3rd:
Also note that HTC has the same specs on there website for the Touch Pro.

As would be the case in the "Fuze" Any ATT version would be certain to have the US 3G alteration. It wouldn't make any sense for them not to utilize the 3G network here. That is if they do in fact bring it over this way.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Shammyh:
well clearly some device is upcoming soon, and unless at&t really pulls a rabbit out of the hat and releases the touch hd as the fuze, something will be coming eventually. public relations departments tend not to write up blurbs about products unless those products actually exist.

or maybe it's all just an elaborate scheme to to foil the fine people of xda-developers after giving htc so much grief over the kaiser driver disaster...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kraize:
Holy crap. I'd totally be amazed if AT&T somehow did that. IT'd be so unexpected. I'm expecting the Touch HD soon since it's on the HTC page now.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] master athlon:
naaah?!

that would be very unexpected of AT&T. i think i'd be disappointed though:confused:, i'm really looking forward to the Touch Pro being on AT&T now that we've actually seen proof.

anybody have any more inside info to share :D