yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] ai6908:
XP can be loaded in an old machine, that had 95 in it! It will take it but, it will be real slow. But same is not the case with Vista, you wont be able to load Vista on a real old machine! So only time can tell if hermes can load WM7.0. It will be awesome, if it can load though!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] veyka:
I somehow thing that the Hermes wont have enough ram for WM7, but I don't think that will stop people trying! Would think it will run on a Kaiser though! (i hope, cos that's gona be my next phone :P)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] addicus:
I came from the Wizard after many years (2.5 or so) and was going to buy a Kaiser or Tilt but I changed from AT&T to T-Mobile USA. I thought the 3G would be the same but found out it wouldn't. Therefore I went for the less expensive 8525.

I really like the Experia 1 but it seems as if they left out the ability to have T-Mobile USA's 3G network. I'm hoping the Raphael has it. I can wait a year or so and then get one.

I really wouldn't mind a much bigger screen than the 240x320. It's the only thing on the IPhone I'm jealous about.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] schizo:
I don't have pics, quite lazy to capture my screen :D

But I can testify since i have both Hermes and Kaiser, sometimes I do head-to-head test in my spare time.

In general performance speaking: file operations, directory access, almost all programs I know and use, run faster in Kaiser. Maybe this is due to its bigger RAM, I dunno, just my analysis since the processor speed is the same. Plus, "somehow" it streams AADP over bluetooth more efficiently than in Hermes (only 10% CPU loads in Kaiser, compared to 40-60% in Hermes).

One thing it lag behind is when relating to graphical performance. Like for watching video, Kaiser benchmark lower than Hermes (in coreplayer or TCPMP), plus it doesn't render the video as beautiful as in Hermes (has some screen-tearing and pixelation effect). And if I play games with graphics (e.g: skyforce) I can feel the screen refresh is a bit lag in Kaiser.

The newest cooked ROMs has improved some graphical performance a little bit, especially in screen rotations (portrait<->landscape). And some has incorporated the new beta D3D drivers (which I don't see any use until now, where can I found a WM game utilizing D3D drivers? LoL). Different results if the 2D drivers has been released, but it's still under research until now.

All in all, still the Imageon in Hermes shows its strength in this graphical area, IMHO.

Last things about Kaiser, it eat battery faster than Hermes. Especially if you run internet conn. through GPRS/HSDPA, it will drain even much faster. Not to mention if you run GPS too. I always have to charge my Kaiser every night. The most I got 40% left after 1 day use.

Hope it helps then. Cheers!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] Zoltair Wright:
The Hermes IS my new phone! I got one, quite by accident, while bidding low on ebay. I'm upgrading from a much-loved Prophet that finally bit the dust. I don't plan to have the Hermes for a long time; even though it's a great phone, it's just too darn big to carry in my pocket everyday.

I agree with one of the first posters; out of anything I'd like, it's a WM phone with a real camera (5+ MP) and a real flash. And for it to be small and light. Sadly a phone like that just doesn't seem to exist, outside of Symbian country.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] veyka:
Thank you very much for that! I don't watch video on my device at all, so that wouldn't bother me, and im glad to see that the kaiser runs faster, with the new generation cpu and all.

What really matters to me is the "feel" of the device, how would you rate the slide/tilt for reliability? Does it feel sold?

Also which do you think has the nicer keyboard?

I'm sorry if im asking to many questions, but thank you very much for your time.

I still view battery left at the end of the day a luxury, coming from a blueangel that could almost drain two battery in a day!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] DaArtist401:
Thanx. Definately helps. I live in the US, and was gonna buy a ATT Tilt(US version of Kaiser), but im not due for a upgrade at discounted price til February. I wouldve paid $300 with discount, and got a mail in rebate for $100, but even then i wasnt sure. But after reading this, i just might wait for the touch diamond or touch pro instead. I usually use my Hermes for multimedia. I listen to music about 3 hours a night sometimes(at work), and use it for video every other day and also recording video when i go to concerts, or of myself playing guitar. I have a Jabra BT-8040 and it runs A2DP just fine on the Hermes(after i installed PDACorner v21,..awesome rom btw), so if there was any fault in that, it just might be a reason for me to upgrade to Kaiser. But for now i'll prolly wait and buy an Htc Touch Diamond or Touch Pro(pending on which one is cheaper). Im leaning more towards the Touch Pro(mostly cuz i love listening to music on my phone and want to buy 16gb microsd cards for it, or maybe 32 gb. I just dont like how much thicker it is than the diamond. But apparently its not only because the keyboard, but also the battery is supposed to be much better in the touch pro(looked it up in youtube).
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] schizo:
@Veyka,

Reliability, i would say it is very solid, once you found a stable cooked ROM, if you know what I mean ;)

The slide mechanism is very good, it's spring loaded so you will seldom slide by accidental small push (as in Hermes), and it feels better compared to O2 Zinc's if you ever tried. The tilting is also great and very useful, small issue only with the softkeys getting quite difficult to access in tilted position and prone to miss-push at the same time. But once you get used to it, won't be a problem. However I must admit Hermes keyboard gave more tactile feedback than Kaiser, to some lesser degree.

@Daartist

Regarding multimedia, the diffrence in benchmark performance is not largely significant though. And if you runs AADP streaming most of the time, Kaiser will gave you better performance for audio quality and music continuity (almost no skipping). And it consume less CPU power (almost quadruple), meaning only slight difference in performance when you do multitasking like opening documents while listening to music, and less battery drain for this activity. Have you ever tried watching video music on your Hermes while the audio being streamed to your bluetooth? I tried, and it feels so "heavy", with significant dropped framerate. When i try on Kaiser, I got only 30-40% CPU load without any noticeable framerate dropping.

Funny thing is, even when I say graphic performance in Hermes is better than Kaiser, it works the other way for screen rotation (portrait <-> landscape). For this one particular thing, the fastest ROM for Hermes can't beat the fastest ROM for Kaiser :confused:

Touchpro? Hehe, I woudl want one too :) But the price is the killer for me. I will have to wait 6 months minimum to watch the price dropped to reasonable (read: affordable) level.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] ph03nix:
considering i just got my hermes, i am going to get the Raphael next

im just going to give it 2-3 years until i can pick one up for $200-300 :)

i figure its more logical to skip the kaiser

what exactly does the kaiser have other then GPS over the hermes?

same speed CPU, much slower unit due to non existent drivers (i also dont feel right about buying a unit which the company responsible for has completely neglected)

without the proper video drivers the unit is slower than the hermes, even with it, its not much faster (how many times do you actually max out your ram if you actually close programs after you use them?)

gps and double ram isnt much of an improvement over the hermes (unless you had a real use for gps), and currently the 3d chip is a moot point, with only homebrew drivers, and not much support anyways (how many pocketpc apps even make use of 3d? not many as of yet), and they both have the same gsm bands (pretty much nothing else different)

the raphael is a huge improvement in power and size of everything (ram, cpu, gfx), and by the time almost ALL pocketpcs/smartphones are vga/3dgfx im assuming the raphael will be able to be picked up for $200-400 :)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] Lord_BlackAdder:
Without a decent lens and CCD, the higher the pixel actually lower picture quality as the noise becomes a significant factor. And there is no way to have a decent lens and larger size CCD if the phone is to be compact too. So I would like to see phone manufacturers improve on lens and CCD first before trying to up the pixels which is really a marketing gimmicks.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] veyka:
All 400mhz CPUS are not the same.

The one in the Kaiser is a newer generation chip, and faster.

If you read schizo's posts, you will see most of your questions answered.

WM devices only seem to have support from the carrier ect for as long as there not selling something to replace it, but, isn't XDA enough support for you? :D

And thanks again schizo, the small slides is one of the things that annoys me about my Hermes!

A cooked rom is taken as said :p
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] Wam7:
What are you using to watch stuff on your Hermes? I do a lot of movie watching on my Hermes with Coreplayer 1.25 and my S9's A2DP headphones and never get any slow downs or drop outs. Video playback is silky smooth and pin sharp. What bitrate is the stuff you are playing?

Dr Puttingham (who knows a thing or two about ROMS) states that his Hermes ROM are always faster than Kaiser ROMS he sets up for clients.. (I'll have to find the exact post)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] DaArtist401:
The only thing about the Kaiser is that it mostly seems like a minor upgrade over the Hermes. Even looking very identical. GPS is not a big deal for me(i dont travel too far unless its for concerts, and my friend has a seperate gps for that.). 3 mp camera seems nice. But looking at photo stills taken from both cameras, it really looks like there's barely a difference(plus, it still seems to have that annoying "hold the camera completely still to take pics"). But yea, i listen to music alot thru a2dp, and its pretty smooth for the most part. Like 2night at work, in the 2 1/2 hours i listened to music, it skipped maybe once, which isnt much of a big deal. When i used to have s9 a2dp headphones, it skipped evey other song which became annoying, fast. But yea, in terms of video, the a2dp headset do lag, its like audio cant catch up to the video and it starts skipping. The video runs smooth but the headset is skipping. It doesnt bother me that much tho cuz the only times i do watch video on the hermes is to show people something on youtube, or to show my drummer i video of me covering a song we should learn or something. So its not a big deal that a2dp skips there. Im sure the Kaiser is better(but not that much better,..not worth paying $300 for the upgrade), but i think my next phone will be likely the touch pro or diamond. Hehe. Maybe if theyre around $400 i wouldnt mind buying one. I think i seen touch diamonds going for $500 doing random searches cuz there was a price drop. If it dropped another $100, i'd prolly go for it.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] aDEO:
My choice after the Hermes maybe will be Samsung Omnia. Have everything I need on one place!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] biscuits1978:
I heard from somewhere (forgive, I forgot where) that even though both processors are rated at 400MHz, the one in the Kaiser is somewhat a dual-core processor, thus making it faster. Anybody that knows for sure, please correct me if I'm wrong...

I would think that a faster processor and a lot more playing room memory for the apps would be a reason for me to upgrade. Touch Pro or Diamond is still too expensive, and I honestly wouldn't want that caliber of a phone when my network provider still doesn't provide 3G in my area (frickin' T-Mobile US). I do like my Hermes as it does all the things I need it to do, but the Kaiser seems to be the more reasonable upgrade for me.

Who knows, maybe I'll get fed up with everything and just go with AT&T anyways. Then again, maybe I'll figure out who would win in a battle between invisible ninjas and time traveling pirates. :D
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] zocster:
You meant this post? :D :D
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] ph03nix:
oh i know, the kaiser CPU is a ARM11 as opposed to the hermes ARM7

however, iv used both and stock id have to say the hermes is faster, menus and windows load/draw faster

i havnt tried anything advanced on the kaiser, and it could have an improvement, but is a slight improvement really worth a new device?

however, im willing to bet the touch pro will be a HUGE improvement over both, which for me would warrant a purchase :)

i could buy a kaiser right now if i wanted, however i think ill skip this one, and wait for the touch pro to drop in price (im sure my hermes will be adequate for the next few years :)

besides, the rate technology is advancing these days, i bet a year from worldwide launch of the touch pro (or less) its value will be at least halfed
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] MrEdLancelot:
HTC for google Android
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] DaArtist401:
I kinda want the kaiser, but i just wanna know how certain programs(that i use daily) work on the Kaiser. Cuz i would really like a touch diamond, but im not too sure about buying it because of the price. I use stuff like

s2p(the new version .50 is smoother, almost like iphone-ish, which was the only thing i liked on the iphone when i had it)

s2u2

s2v

Opera Mobile 9.5 build 1708(runs ok, but after i visit a couple of sites that have many pics and links such as ign.com or gamespot.com, it eventually tells me to close some programs or whatever, and they have 4 choices for 'phone' so i close those, but it can be pretty annoying. I would like to know if it works better, or if the problem is nonexistent)

Youtube Play, just wanna know if it runs videos any smoother,..its pretty good on the hermes, but better is always nice.

I might go for Kaiser possibly and pay the $300 and see if i can sell my hermes. Looks like i can get maybe $150 for it unlocked. It'll be like a $150 upgrade so thats not bad.

And also i'd like to know how a program such as throttlelauncher works on it. It'd be cool to run diamond software without actually having it. I can run it on the hermes, but then i cant run programs such as opera mobile or even youtube play at times so i uninstalled it and sticking with htc home for now.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] e_gregious:
I'm heading for the Omnia as soon as 3 have it available. Best to make use of my loyalty brownie points.

Anybody who wants a good 2nd hand Hermes at the end of September can get in touch with me then.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] zocster:
I am sure my chef would like one at a good price to replace his hermes
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] schizo:
Well,if it's up to personal preference there's no limit on wishes, right? ;-)

I just gave my testimony which may help value-minded people who are looking for upgrades but may not be willing to spend up to $1000 dollars for it (i.e:estimated touchpro's pice). For this people I would recommend that Kaiser is a worthwhile upgrade though.

Actually most of you can consider yourself lucky, with operator subsidies and such. In my country, a 2nd hand Hermes still cost around 350 (new is 600) while Kaiser around 625 (new is 700), for good condition units. So we may think twice for upgrades cuz its not just like 150 to 300 upgrades, hehe. Since 300 is price for brand new 2nd tier Nokia here, so it wouldn't be so hard to decide if the price is around that level, IMHO.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] schizo:
Well I always optimized my video for pda (320x240 divx) and I use coreplyer too albeit lower version, my headset is O2 XA-06. I dunno,maybe it's software or ROM specific.

Yet I remmber that I've asked Menneisyys in one of his aadp/bluetooth thread, and he confirmed kaiser's qualcomm processor do the aadp streaming better than hermes's samsung processor. Sorry I cannot point you on the thread (currently browsing on my Kaiser), I think it's under development&hacking or general section, I forgot.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] gehzumteufel:
Canada's cell industry sucks. I just found out you guys still have roaming within the country! Here in the US we have NO roaming at all as long as you are within the country.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] zocster:
Htc Touch Hd

I may change my mind after looking at this for a touch screen only device :D

More here
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] galaxys:
I have changed my mind! I was going to get the Touch Pro, but after seeing the HD the Pro is no longer on my list! ;)

Here's the xda thread on it: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=425031
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] zocster:
Hmm yeah, I will just have to wait and let the chef at the hermes keep cookin until that comes out! that is one solid unit!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] BlueAnt1958:
Is there life after Hermes??

I was also looking at the Touch Pro but, much as I hate to admit it, I love the screen size of the Iphone. So I'm going to wait until HTC bring out something with Iphone sized screen and a querty slider keyboard. Not sure if the Blackstone has the keyboard. Also must have all the usual connectivity, 3G, Wifi, bluetooth, etc.

I love my keyboard. I drag race some of the office crackberry addicts sending emails. They really go nuts when I beat them. But then I also keep asking the Iphone guys if they can copy and paste yet. They go off even more :D

Oops I just read further into the Blackstone thread and it has a bigger screen than Iphone. Just needs a keyboard and we may have a winner.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] veyka:
The HTC Touch HD sure is sexy... but I couldn't live with a on-screen keyboard, Maybe it will cause the Kaiser/Touch Pro's price to drop a lot :) (I can hope)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] clavace:
Just Got Kaiser

YES :D

Kaiser is much faster than Hermes and does far more stuff better. It runs streaming media very fast (downloaded Blue-Ray player), TouchFlo works correctly (very smooth and never could get it to work well with 8525) and with Opera 9.5 runs Internet like iPhone. With the same programs installed as my 8525 uses half the memory...also has Sat Nav built in that works in my home under the tile roof to about 6 ft in accuracy.

Picked one off my local Craig's List for $200 with Plantronics Bluetooth! I was going to wait for Diamond Pro BUT I must tell all of you the Kaiser is great and there are some very good deals out there. My contract with AT&T is up in 7 or 8 months so if I can get a good deal (new contract good deal) on new Touch Diamond Pro or Touch HD Pro?...(who knows what will be out at that time) I'll update again but I must tell all of you in the mean time I'm very happy with Kaiser.

Check the link out in my signature about Dutty's Diamond V1 rom it is awesome and all I need to do is work out a few more bugs...here we go again...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] zocster:
Glad to hear you've got a kaiser now! Well over here, even second hand they still cost over US$ 350.00 even from Australia, it will still cost over $400.00 AUD unless you're extremely lucky. I don't see why I should spend that sorta money when my jasjam is absolutely capable of doing what I wanted for now, as I don't need GPS have one in the car. I use it purely for business, email, and making calls. I prefer to wait I think until such time the TouchHD become a 'PRO' lol. May be there will be such a thing.

OT, Dutty's ROMS are great, but I am not sure if he is coming back to cook for the Kaiser, he's too busy cooking for the diamond I think. So you may want to flash away with the more active chefs, where there will be a number of bugs ironed out with every single build. Have fun with your new toy, and safe flashing! Make sure you do plenty of reading!

PS. hang.tuah, garmin, SJ, and Laurentius are great recent chefs.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] clavace:
Throttle Launcher

Hay Zocster thanx for the advice. I reloaded my 3rd rom this week and this one is a keeper (at least for awhile). I am now using Kaiser Diamond Throttle Launcher by Laurentius26 and it is a cross between the iPhone and touch Diamond...what fun.

There are a few modules cooked into the rom I would like to remove and replace. For example Flash Lite 2.1 with 3.1. Is there a link you can point me to that explains how to remove & replace cooked in modules without screwing everything up?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] zocster:
Hehe, looks like you've overlooked the FAQ :D
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] clavace:
WiKi

No I did not overlook FAQ...I looked at it for several hours...I guess I am the idiot outside. Nothing really addressed taking an already cooked rom and just replacing one module except perhaps http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=337066 but I guess this is the wrong thread to talk about this.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] Wam7:
I totally agree with. I love the size of the Iphone but I use the keyboard ALL the time and just can't be doing with an on screen keyboard.

I don't think that you will see the Touch HD with a keyboard as that would make the device a little too big and may put off a lot of users... I would love to be wrong though! :)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] zocster:
Lol, yeah but in saying that, I had a play with my brother's polaris last night, and found that sending email/text message is like sending from a nokia so to speak, pretty much a breeze. without having to type it in like my old BB, so I may just get the touch HD aka blackstone!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] schizo:
So someone did take the bait, eh. Glad he's hapy though.

Speaking of 'ultimate gadget', ain't it funny that in early 2006 people are dreaming on Hermes as their UberGadget, the same thing with Kaiser in early 2007.

While in 2008, suddenly people dreaming on too many things at once: omnia, xperia, diamond, touchpro, hd pro, htc dream, etc you name it.

Hope you don't wet your pants too often because of dreamin', peepz! LoL =)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] Vision77:
I am gonna take the plunge and get the dream/g1. But if all goes well I may get the X1 too. Lets just hope tmo usa doesn't have slow 3g.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] Riccardinho:
Nokia E71. Never thought I'd say that. But it does everything the Hermes does with allegedly great battery life. And an FM Radio. And embedded Flash in the browser. And great performance.

From WinMo to Symbian. Strange times.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] fredline12002:
I think I'll stick to the wet pants, to make those dreams a reality you'd go bankrupt in the process...:D
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] zocster:
HTC Touch 3G

I like the style of this! I think I will be getting it instead of the HD. Manila 2D HSDPA/WCDMA: Europe/Asia: 900/2100 MHz both networks available in NZ bloody awesome I say!

And I love the colours!!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] galaxys:
That looks cool bro! I just pre-ordered the Touch HD for delivery in November. We can then compare notes on the two...;)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] zocster:
Yeah well not sure when it will be available down here, unlike apple who made us the first to have the new 3g iphone, HTC is definitely different, I will keep an eye on expansys and see when they're available there. :o