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[Google Pixel 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Benjamin_L:
What are you using your phone for? Seriously curious! I totally get it that gaming desktop pcs are more expensive or cad/rendering workstations. But smartphones?
[Google Pixel 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] RayZhang1378:
Too much compromise

I still don't get it why google ditched face unlock, Active Edge and Pixel neural core, which makes Google pixel less competitive than other mobile brands.

And the fingerprint sensor just got everything worse making it looks like a phone announced in 2018. IMO the hole-punch camera is kind of ugly, and I won't accept that for some time, I'd rather choose the 4xl forehead.

BTW you can just try flash a custom ROM on a non-pixel device to get almost the same pixel experience.

I'm okay with S765G as I don't need that kind of performance, and I don't care about 5G yet because there are pretty limited use cases on a mobile device, sure the battery life is amazingly good, but as a pixel fan, I really want Pixel to become unique for its amazing functions instead of ditching the best features that it used to be proud of.

I get it that Google wants to lower the price to make pixel more compelling, Pixel has always been that kind of expensive, even pixel 5 still looks overpriced, but IMO it's a huge downgrade from 4xl. :~(

Anyway, different strokes for different folks, somebody's gonna love it but not me.

From a disappointed Google pixel 4XL user
[Google Pixel 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Benjamin_L:
I don't get it what the fuss about neural core is. The 765G has more TOPS for AI than the PVC and close to the PNC so most likely this made a dedicated chip unnecessary. Personally I am happy the fingerprint reader returned. Only thing I am unhappy about is active edge as I use it for quick access to my favorite messaging app
[Google Pixel 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] bigknowz:
Odd Year Nexus / Pixel

Ha! Have contended in the past that the even year Pixel / Nexus phones are worse than the odd year phones, so hoping 2021 keeps up the streak and P6 is a worthy phone.

On mobile, you don't get to see signature:

*** retired ****

Pixel 2XL, Nexus 7 2013, Nexus 6P 64GB, N5 32 GB, LTE Galaxy Nexus
[Google Pixel 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] force70:
Well i don't game so for everything else.

This is like saying you don't need a car with 600hp (which I also have) which may be somewhat true but it's nice to have when you want it.
[Google Pixel 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] jit-010101:
I'm fine with them getting rid of Soli, High-End SoC and heck even 3D-Faceunlock.

There's one thing that many peeps will disagree with - that is the standstill regarding the camera hardware:

That is, they are still sticking to their f*cking old IMX363 camera sensor and never actually tried improving upon it - as well as lens quality and aux lenses like a proper Telezoom lens.

There are now quite enhanced sensors on the market ... that would make it a so much better experience in conjunction with their software.

I guess they can't because Marc Levoy is now gone and they lack the knowdlege and patience required adjusting to new sensors.

So they're looking to milk the most out of it as long as they can - likely also by making use of their Titan M chip to encrypt and lock down some parts.

They should just Open-Source GCam and let guys like BSG and Arnova improve upon it and make use of that positive energy.

But Google has long since lost its way and slowly closing their gates, so my guess is that they'll soon try to make it impossible to port GCam - so the exact other way around just like they're slowly but steadly making third-party ROMs harder to build and root harder to aquire.
[Google Pixel 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Benjamin_L:
There was an interview with Levoy. There are not much better sensors available. No, more megapixels is not better. And software needs to be optimized for a specific sensor. So this is a sound choice even if you might disagree still.

https://9to5google.com/2020/09/08/google-marc-levoy-interview/

and

https://www.theverge.com/21427188/m...martphone-computational-photography-vergecast

But well let's just make up conspiracies
[Google Pixel 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] jit-010101:
Lets just quote him directly from that interview:

And about the main sensor:

A sensor is not just about Megapixels indeed, but also sensor size, lens quality, aperature, sensor features like autofocus and calibration.

Lets keep it simple and take Pixel Size to compare between sensor size and resolution to get an idea of native Noise Levels the sensor can handle. The bigger the Pixel size the better the noise handling in more challenging light (very simplified).

The IMX368 has a Pixel Size of 1.4µm at 12.2MP

The ISOCELL HMX has a binned Pixel Size of 1.6µm at 27MP

This is because the HMX (108MP) Sensor is indeed quite bigger and catches more light (or theoretically would, if the aperature would be bigger) then the IMX368.

In the end with the same software the HMX will produce pictures with far more details, more then twice that of the IMX368 (very very simplified if we leave everything else out, including the dual ISO from HMX and lens as well).

I'm not saying that the HMX is perfect, its resolution is just a tad bit to large (in terms of depth of field and resolving all light from the lens - 20MP would be perfect with that sensor size) and it doesn't have Dual PDAF yet either (Samsung is working on it, thats why Xiaomi gave it a Laser Focus e.g. in the Mi 10 Pro for portraits).

In the end its about sensor size with the (almost) same resolution now we already have the GN1 with 50MP Dual PDAF or the IMX689 from the Oppo Find X2 Pro or the OV48C from the Mi 10 Ultra.

The Mi 10 Ultra shows just how much is possible without multiframe HDR+ and just a good sensor thats well calibrated (AWB included).

btw:

I'm pretty sure he's just being professional here.
[Google Pixel 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Benjamin_L:
The samples from the 10 ultra indeed look very nice
[Google Pixel 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] jimv1983:
I wouldn't call it hatred as much as disappointment. I've had a Google phone since the Nexus 5 that I got 7 years ago. I then got a Nexus 5X and then my current Pixel 2 XL. I stick around for the Google software experience. I pre-ordered a Pixel 5 thinking it would have the same developer option to hide the cut out that the Pixel 3 XL had. I found out that it doesn't so I maybe canceling my pre-order just because of that.

I was actually hoping the size would be much smaller maybe 5.5". I really miss the days of one-handed usability and comfortable pocket ability. Sure Samsung has promised updates for 3 years but what kind of time? Samsung tends to be like two or three months behind on monthly updates (especially on not current models) and usually 6 months for major updates. If the S20 and Note 20 phones get Android 11 before March of 2021 I'd be shocked.

Everything I've ever seen about the Pixel 3a XL said that the battery life was pretty good. Even better than the Pixel 2 XL. I've heard it was the best battery life of any Pixel released. The Pixel 5 has a 10% bigger battery than the Pixel 3a XL.

Useless? Sure. Dangerous? That's just nonsense.

I wish the screen was a maximum of like 5.5". This is a Google phone having 12 GB of RAM just isn't necessary. With Samsung's bloated memory hugging software sure it needs 12 GB but not for Google phone. I'm not really against more RAM it just makes things more expensive which wouldn't matter if the markup wasn't so damn high on things so cheap.

The worst part is that even a spec'd out phone like mentioned doesn't really need to be that expensive. Just compare the Galaxy S20 Fan Edition with the standard Galaxy S20. The standard S20 cost maybe $50 more to produce than the Fan Edition but it sells for $300 more. Flagship phones are like 50% profit. Companies could easily sell phones for $200-300 less and still make huge profits. It's greed.
[Google Pixel 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] razor237:
I would notice a difference on my use but even it its not noticeable now it will be a year or two from now. say for arguments sake that the CPU is a marginal difference that's completely fine to deal with. but the display is a much more noticeable change from 6 to 6.5 or bigger now that's something that makes a difference even with the current battery you will still have good battery life , my note 10+ has been fine on battery so the 300mAh less battery but better software would still give you good battery and it wouldn't have to cost much more either . look at the S20 FE it blows away the pixel in everything but the main thing that attracts people to want a pixel my self included is the Pure android software experience. if google came out with a phone like the S20 FE it would fly off the shelves and probably be back ordered. the demand is there for a phone like that.
[Google Pixel 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Jose Reyes:
I have an Wi-Fi 6 router, and Oneplus 8pro which is Wi-Fi 6 ready, as well as the pixel 4 xl. Between the pixel 4 xl and oneplus 8 pro Wi-Fi download speeds where in the line of 100 mbs to 200 mbs difference. In all reality you can't tell the difference. At some points depending as to the location in the house, the Pixel was actually faster, and vise versa depending on the location around the houlse.
[Google Pixel 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] dudeman1st:
I generally agree with most views in this thread - a bit disappointed in the P5. BUT, it's cheap. AND, if the P6 totally rocks, you can always trade in on Fi and get the new phone. That's my plan anyways. I need the security, and my 2 XL is done with updates this month (actually December, but this is thal last monthly). Phone menopause sucks.
[Google Pixel 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Chad_Petree:
Google did almost everything right, I think the phone just needs a better cpu/gpu and ufs 3.1 storage! They got so close to making a very rounded device!
[Google Pixel 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] vandyman:
Anybody that hates any Nexus or Pixel must be an iPhone spammer. [emoji57]

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It is going to be awhile before wifi 6 takes off. By the time it is main stream the Pixel 10 or 11 will be out. [emoji41]
[Google Pixel 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] cultofluna:
This package ( with latest cpu/ GPU and ufs 3.1) would cost at least 1000 bucks...

So this is a no Go..

Google want to offer an affordable price...
[Google Pixel 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] vandyman:
I got to laugh at some peeps complaining about a 6" screen size is to small.

Get a 7" Fire tablet and stick that up your, I mean to your ear.
[Google Pixel 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] bobby janow:
You're missing the point slightly. 6" is fine coming from a P4 or P3 but not ok if you're coming from an XL version. Some people just like the little bit extra, not quite the 7" which is huge. Personally I've never like the bigger devices and I'm hoping this is not too large. 5.8 would have been my choice but we'll see how it handles.
[Google Pixel 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] vandyman:
Absolutely, the bottom line is that if you do not like the Screen size of the Pixel 5, then move on to something that will suit you.

I personally don't see much of difference between 6.00" and 6.20. It is less than a quarter inch. But 6.2 to the mind sound a lot bigger. Lol..
[Google Pixel 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] bobby janow:
The 6.3 or 6.2 is too large for one handed operation for me. Also it doesn't fit into my saddle bag on my road bike. You're right it's a minor difference but for some reason it seems much larger. That's the reason I didn't get the 4a 5G, (well not the only reason) I think it's like 6.3 or something.

And to be perfectly frank I have to see what 6" looks and feels like. I might not like it. The largest I've had was this P4, although perhaps the P3a was as large. I'll have to look up those specs.
[Google Pixel 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] vandyman:
I have the Pixel 3a XL right now. The size is the same as the Pixel 5. But the 3aXL has the screen bezel at the top and bottom, which I am losing about a half inch of screen.
[Google Pixel 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Chad_Petree:
The oneplus 8t has a snapdragon 865 and ufs 3.1 storage and costs 600 eur, even less than the 613 eur is asking for the pixel :confused:
[Google Pixel 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] rav101:
I saw this earlier today. Being on the OP7Pro and multiple OneOlus decides before that, I am still going for Pixel 5.

I appreciate it's a personal choice but this is one of hardware Vs software. XDA have done their write up and you can see that app opening times for the Pixel 5 in multiple scenarios with 765G is faster than the 865 based Samsung S20. Raw horse power isn't everything. Similarly the phone is able to hold 90hz screen refresh rate much more consistently as well.

The other part of the story is whether you want a phone for 1 year or longer. Being on OP7Pro after the OP8 series came out, even on OnePlus who are considered to be really good with their update speed etc, you realise how quickly you fall to second class citizen. Android 11 isn't coming to OP7Pro until next year. The OP8T will fall to second class citizen in 6 to 7 months when the OP9 series is launched. Updates will slow down and it will be considered old
[Google Pixel 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] nafi2000:
What I hate about pixel 5

Just the pricing

All other things are ok for the 99 percent of people .I don't think Google should make a fastest device for those benchmark lovers.
[Google Pixel 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] cultofluna:
Yes but you have google software...on pixel

Read this ...and go buy a pixel ...

https://www.xda-developers.com/google-pixel-5-review/

Pixel& Google is the mercedes of Android... OnePlus is Peugeot..:laugh:

I would buy a mercedes , even with less specs...
[Google Pixel 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] sshariff:
Being a oneplus user since the past 4.5 years I will go with the pixel. I have been tired of being with them with the device becoming second and third class in treatment as soon as the next device comes out in 6/7 months. Also I had the unfortunate experience of dealing with their customer service on one occasion last year and trust me you would not want to deal with them should things go wrong!

I do however agree that the pixel 5 should have been a bit cheaper and I believe they will drop their prices further in 2/3 months. But as a UK user I get free bose qc ii headphones which makes the pixel 5 a lot more appealing and a good buy.
[Google Pixel 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Chad_Petree:
I prefer googles software as well, I was just showing, that it is possible to have those specs and not charge 1000 eur for it :highfive:
[Google Pixel 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] underfrykte:
I got mine yesterday. I wish it kept the 2x tele camera from P4 - or better, made it 3x or something like that. That is in addition to the ultrawide. I think Ultrawide is more important but it would be nice to have all 3 rather than losing one. I don't like the top bar for the apps, it kind of kills the advantage of this type of front facing camera. I also would much rather sacrifice some looks and keep the normal speaker. But, annoying P4 with virtually no battery and no fingerprint scanner - this is much better.
[Google Pixel 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] rav101:
I ordered my Pixel at around 11am yesterday and it arrived around 11:30 today. Just in the process of getting it set up but so far I'm pretty happy with it. Only longer term usage will really shake out whether this is a great device or not.

Given I only ordered it yesterday it's going to be a little while before I can claim the Bose headphones but that's fine
[Google Pixel 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Surendra Ravindra Sonawan:
Stock android it's better then any custom skin good to go:good:
[Google Pixel 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] navalynt:
So, what's the deal with the pre-orders getting Bose QC35 headphones but only in the UK, Germany, Ireland, and France? It's a bit of a letdown that such a nice perk isn't offered universally with pre-orders.
[Google Pixel 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] vandyman:
It probably has to do with the government relations in Europe are more relaxed, there for more competition. So Google needs sweeten the deal to draw them sales in.

The competition in the US is limited to Samsung and the iPhone.
[Google Pixel 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Haxxler:
Got mine yesterday. So far im quite happy with it but the speakers are horrible. Im coming from the Pixel 3 which had awesome speakers. I knew it would be bad since one speaker is under the display and one is firering downwards but damn they really sound like trash.
[Google Pixel 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] rav101:
In terms of pricing and the UK getting the Bose Headphones, I would also point out that pricing for the UK is usually more expensive that the US and deals are almost always better so this happens to be the one time the UK is getting the better deal.
[Google Pixel 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] force70:
It is too small, its pathetic really.
[Google Pixel 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Atomregen:
I stay with the Pixel 4 XL, the sound of the Pixel 5 is hell and the camera hole only brings disadvantages. huge status bar and unsemetric display in many games and apps in landscape mode.
[Google Pixel 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] cultofluna:
765g is faster than 865??...on app opening...?..

Where you've found this test .. you have a link?
[Google Pixel 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] DrOtt:
It's on XDA's own Pixel 5 review: https://www.xda-developers.com/google-pixel-5-review/
[Google Pixel 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] SteveYoungs:
When I first opened the box I was disappointed with the size. I'm coming from a Nexus 6, which dwarfs it, so it was a fair shock to my system. But the longer I have it, the more I like it.

I think they got the size just right.
[Google Pixel 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] android_fury:
I'm strongly considering buying it specifically because of the size. I'm not happy with the $700 bill, lack of expandable storage and less powerful CPU, but everything else seems to be exactly what I want. I just hope Google doesn't f*** up the hardware.
[Google Pixel 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] kevin3688:
https://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f=565&t=6214924

https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/MobileComm/M.1602949289.A.A32.html

It's a HTC phone, not Pixel.
[Google Pixel 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] MrPhilo:
That review, I'm assuming it's using the S20 result at launch. There's been quite a few updates which has made the S20 faster and smoother than launch. So I do somewhat find it an unfair comparison. But still the Pixel does a great job.
[Google Pixel 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] rav101:
Is there any way to validate this? Can we ask the writer or compare to a precious article in terms of app launch times (I don't think I've seen that metric used on precious XDA articles I must admit.
[Google Pixel 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] TokedUp:
Surprised this thread isn't all over the Screen coming off the phone problem. Prefect thread for it! Cmon guys!
[Google Pixel 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Roberto_W:
A few things I'm not liking so far.. Coming from Mate 20 Pro..

Main issue.. Wifi calling doesn't stay on.. wtf? Signal is rubbish where I live.. Wifi calling decides to come on at some indeterminate signal level. I can be on 0 bars and Wifi calling still doesn't come on.. Makes it pretty useless as an actual phone for me!

Can't change keypad tone volume

Can't change/disable the LOUD NFC scan sound

Screen feels plasticy

Notifications settings are all over the place and confusing..
[Google Pixel 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] TokedUp:
Did someone say charging issues??
[Google Pixel 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Golf c:
Your done bro. Move on to Samsung
[Google Pixel 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Rushing:
Google is blemishing 1st amendment rights

Canceling P5 today... im big on my rights and my right to learn what others have to share whether its disinformation or not TIME will tell (me) not Goolge. Thanks but no thanks i can not support the abolition of our first amendment to the US Constitution. "Hey Google", order cancelled. loved the p1 but times are getting weird and im not sponsoring cen·sorship.

Bye not buy.
[Google Pixel 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Golf c:
Blah blah
[Google Pixel 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Rushing:
Bliss i envy.. Welcome the ignorance, futile is resistance.

just going to leave this here, don't cry now, https://www.deviceranks.com/en/phone/antutu/17078/samsung-galaxy-s20-fe-5g-sd865

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[Google Pixel 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] MrBelter:
and yet we've been using 2.4GHz in our homes for years, the exact same frequency we using in a microwave oven.

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I came to the Pixel 5 from a 1+ 7t, once i got over the shock of the smaller screen i soon got used to it and the 7t now feels way too big, heavy, unwieldy and unbalanced in my hand. Clearly the SD 855+ is faster than the SD 765G and yes the 7t also had faster storage but you simply cannot tell using the Pixel 5, it just doesn't any feel slower at all in everyday use. The main issue i had with the 7t was a long standing camera issue that 1+ simply never bothered to address, lots and lots and lots of blurry images when using the ultra wide lens, after a year of that I'd had enough, on a 128GB phone taking up 30GB for the system partition was laughable as well.

For me the extra cash / lower specs was worth it for the camera and the support.
[Google Pixel 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] AJAY_D24:
Replying for maybe an Android 11 hate thread.

Hate how spotify song infro not showing in car bluetooth. And option to skip or restart song from steering wheel not working.

Hate how we are forced to have the media player combined with the notifications. Before you could just pause spotify and swipe away and it would kill the app completely.

Hate the glitch of gmaps "exit navigation" button/notification permanently appearing even after journeys finished.

Hate how holding power button doesn't give option to screenshot, only the recent app button gives this option. When you press the recent button sometimes the borders automatically appear and would get captured in the screenshot.

Hate how recent apps button doesn't bring up suggested apps.

Miss my pixel 2 and android 10, why did I upgrade.
[Google Pixel 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] jimv1983:
I'm certainly disappointed by some things. No more Active Edge. Flip To Shh will basically be unusable. The hole punch.

But the battery and pure Google software experience won me over.
[Google Pixel 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Paz9:
bullocks, 5G is safer than 4G, and 4G safer than 3G.

the same hysteric response we are getting from 5G is the same we got at 3G.
[Google Pixel 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] pcloadletter1:
When was the last time you put your head in a microwave? It's shielded for a reason.

5G mmw will not penetrate a wall at current power levels, which makes it basically useless. To make it work, they would have to increase the power to dangerous levels.
[Google Pixel 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] Tel864:
LOL, one of the reasons why I ordered it. At 6.2" it would be iffy, at 6.5" it would be a big no. Too many phones are going larger, it's nice to se one this size.
[Google Pixel 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] mmiyahki:
I hate that it has a gap
[Google Pixel 5 Guides, News, & Discussion] motes:
I shared in another thread, but i post here to, to see if someone have this issue. I have a cutoff black hole arround de front camera and it's not centred to the hole punch... Why google put this black cutoff arround the camera?? It makes to the hole punch looks biger than it realy is... [emoji1751][emoji1751]View attachment 5124445View attachment 5124447View attachment 5124449