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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] moegdaog:
The best benchmarking and best showing of differences in these tests will probably be in the newest romeo rom and L26 rom or hyper dragons...a full 6.1 official professional rom.

Plz post results from these three roms specifically plz guys if you can.

Thank you
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] neilson:
Has anyone tried this on a MSM7500(Titan or CDMA Touch) device?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] bronx:
aww for f..k sake... why do You post the same crap so many times in at least three different threads???

having some personal problems? oi. I can see You. I understood You. thank You for that vital information. can You think before You post now thank You?

...

bro
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] b16b:
Samsung omnia have deferent Cpu how can use drivers fom this?

and if finally working can anyone find the 2D drivers from omnia?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] herg62123:
i took the htc ca drivers and merged with omnia driver and this is the end result. try and see if it helps out any.

CAB FOUND HERE
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] kof2003:
you gain performance with this mergence?

hi all!

you gain performance with this mergence?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] xploder1010:
Same here. Running it on a MDA VARIO 3 dutch T-mobile (stock rom) WM 6.0

I first installed the HTC-CA drivers. Nothing seemed to work. I installed the samsung driver and could run some of the 3d programs (really slow). I noticed the overall responsiveness improved :). I can't verify that.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] dtag:
I have a stock at&t rom and here are my results with the merged drivers...

WHEN I RUN LIGHTS EXE...

Driver:

Desc:Intel XScale

Optimized DD3M driver

Id:0

Ident: (lotsa numbers and letter:D)

Name:d3dmxsc50pb.dll

vendor:0

Hardware Rasterization: false

Hardware t&L: false

Using system memory

and presto the cylinder actually rotates....I couldn't even run the program before so this is probably a good thing...Thanks!!!:D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] NuShrike:
I did some Googling and there's 3 types of drivers used in Windows Mobile:

reference: for CETK golden image testing

software: written by MS, okay for production release/use

optimized: written by OEM to support hardware acceleration

Somehow, HTC is getting away with shipping the reference driver which MS supposedly has forbidden for release/redistribution (according to a Don Couch). This reference driver does a bunch of quality checking and comparisons internally that is never used in a production release. Think of it as you're driving your car and checking the fluid levels, tire pressure, tread level, aerodynamics, etc every second.

So, this Samsung XSCALE is the driver HTC is supposed to have released if they couldn't have a Qualcomm optimized version because it at least uses the HWA that the ARMv5 XSCALE supports and standardized in our ARMv6.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] b16b:
i think with this drivers the video playback is little better

what do you think about it..???
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] operative1:
i just tried playing mkv files with coreplayer. running stock t-mobile germany rom & this drivers. sound is okay but the playback is laggy.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] sakajati:
You can't merge the driver, you either use HTCCA or Samsung driver. This samsung driver only consist of one dll (D3DMXSc50PB.dll) and only depends on coredll.dll and ddraw.dll which is exist on every rom. Your cab obviously set samsung driver as default D3D driver but you've also included unused files which is not related to the samsung driver:

ahi2dati.dll

ahi2dati_dm.dll

clkregim.dll

D3DM.DLL

d3dm_ati.dll

ddF.dll

GXDMA.DLL

HTCAPI.DLL

libGLES_CM.dll

msm_clk.dll

netcfd3dm2_0.dll

TrsTai_extensioF.dll

wce_pmeF.dll

wce_reF.dll

wce_rex_dm.dll

@herg62123, please confirm!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] cheetoh:
Thanks - installed on HyperDragon III and seems to improve performance!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] sakajati:
Thanks for your comments and analysis.

I did some googling too and found out actually this driver had been discussed/mentioned on many sites including MSDN since a few years a go :eek::D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] p.loong:
I think sakajati is right...there is something wrong

Light.exe test ok like normal

D3DMDemo.exe is fast but if you tab on the screen you will see it slow down

Triangle.exe is faster and with 67-68fps after few times test

Text3D.exe all good no crash anymore

playing around with KRally is perfect

but Bustem2 can even start(before test this cab all works fine)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] cham1980:
where to get all the testing applications?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] bedoig:
@sakajati/NuShrike,

What are our chances of seeing an updated 2d driver?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] NuShrike:
Probably easiest if we see an existing rom with super-quick GDI running on WM6.1, preferably on ATI hardware QVGA. It's incredibly difficult to do 2D hacking because it's baked into DDI.dll.

3D has been easy because you just drop in dlls and see if it works. 2D is probably going to require a lot of hard-resets. Very slow going.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] sakajati:
Just uploaded some D3D sample applications, it's attached on post#1.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] herg62123:
all i did was take the htc ca drivers and added the samsung driver.

i also added other files needed for d3dm improvements, as well as files needed for my upcoming release of qvga manila.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=2516066&postcount=2294

look at this post on why i added the following dll files
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] ericmcintire:
I thought you might come back now that all these pretty new drivers are floating around!! :-) let me know if you need any help
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] herg62123:
eric pm me i need to update you on the progress of hergila (manila).
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] liomojo:
can you guys help me edit or i dont know what to do -- so that the direct3d driver (D3DMXSc50PB.dll) of my ultimate 6150 , support the xga out and resolution 1024x768. i run the dircet3d doctor and it showed that it supports only 640x480-60hz. i ran some test (light.exe and other direc3d tests) and they work fine on the pda vga display but when i swich to the external xga display they are not working. they are starting but nothing is displayed, the same is with the games they start cause i can hear the menu kliping but there is no picture on the screen. only when i start quake 3 the screen turns black and again nothing else is displayed and i can hear the game is running. when i remove the xga cable i can see on the pda display that the game is running in xga resolution but this last for second or two and then the screen gets really bright and with a blank pinkish yellow screen and then the phone freezes and i have to restart it.

can you help me solve this issue?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] Dust2Dust:
Better start reading before posting nonsens...it sais everywere that you need WM 6.1 not 6.0 like yours. As the drivers from omnia are not d3d your just lucky to have a better working handset now..but not as good as it should with 3d functionality.

Too bad you waisted your first post this way
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] sakajati:
Ok, just need to make some notes here:

Both d3dm_ati.dll & D3DMXSc50PB.dll is D3D drivers and the default registry settings for Direct3D Mobile drivers located in the following registry key:

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\D3DM\Drivers]
"LocalHook"="your fav d3d driver"

If you set this value to D3DMXSc50PB.dll then the system will never call/use d3dm_ati.dll with all its related dlls and vice versa. So your cab will install unused and unrelated files to user.

Your cab also include ddraw.dll, d3dm.dll, etc. If you want to update the user with your files then you have to write setup.dll to check whether the user has newer version or not and only install it if yours is newer. Include this setup.dll into your cab. Further more please consider the compatibility of these files with user rom.

Your cab named HTC-CA-Kaiser-Drivers with omnia d3d driver, it sounds like by merging these two drivers you will gain more D3D performances but there's no such thing exist as mentioned on poin 1. I'm not saying that samsung omnia driver is better than HTCCA but let's not confuse users here.

Last but not least, please respect the simplicity and the beauty of this omnia driver as it really doesn't need any extra files besides what we already have in our rom.

Please correct me if I'm wrong as I'm here to share and to learn. :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] rfarnell:
I just tried the Samsung Omnia D3D drivers with JBenchmark 2.0 and here are the results:

JBenchmark 2.0 Result Details

Score :	547

Image manipulation :	580

Text :	2062

Sprites, game scene :	793

3D transformation :	920

User interface :	56 (The Kaiser has been scoring terribly on this category!

If you want to try it, you need to install Esmertec JBed 3.1 version that has been modified to be 3D enabled here: http://xdaforums.com/show...7&postcount=65 . ROMeOS rom's already has this embedded.

Compare this to a Nokia N95:

JBenchmark 2.0 Result Details

Score :	601

Image manipulation :	414

Text :	874

Sprites :	542

3D transformation :	880

User Interface :	612

The drivers didn't seem to give an improvement to the JBenchmark 3D and HD. However, there were some decent improvements in the JBenchmark Pro Composite tests:

Test results (those in bold are an improvement to testing with the HTCA drivers)

Composite Business - LQ	1079 Frames

Composite Business - MQ	614 Frames

Composite Business - HQ	379 Frames

Composite MIDP1 Game	648 Frames

Composite M3G FPS - LQ	134 Frames

Composite MIDP2 Game - LQ	1834 Frames

Composite MIDP2 Game - MQ	1236 Frames

Composite MIDP2 Game - HQ	934 Frames

Composite CarRace - LQ	352 Frames

Photo Gallery - LQ	588 Frames

Photo Gallery - MQ	508 Frames

Photo Gallery - HQ	374 Frames

Route planner	553 Frames

Rob
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] pchasco:
Nevermind: I notice the original file posted was a cab with only the Samsung driver.

Could someone post just the single driver DLL? I would like to try it on my Vogue, but I cannot install the HTCCA drivers.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] pchasco:
I've just tested it on my Vogue (CDMA Touch). It works, but is very slow. That's even an improvement because the D3D samples did not even work until I installed it. That could be because of the rom I'm using as well. If you install them, make sure you use the ORGINIAL CAB FILE that DOES _NOT_ INCLUDE THE HTC CLASS ACTION DRIVERS. They will brick your phone and require a hard reset to get it back.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] NuShrike:
Can you repost this link? The one you listed isn't a working link.

edit:

Since rfarnell never bothered to post a working link so his results could be replicated, here's is what I think his link could be based on his posts:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=2127317#post2127317
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] jackleung:
I think both you and Nushrik made this very clear MULTIPLE times already, but someone just never listen. :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] BBM-Lee:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\D3DM\Drivers]
"LocalHook"="your fav d3d driver"

Just to clarify, that's also where we can check to see what D3D driver we're currently using (assuming you soft reset after the value changes / install a driver cab, etc.)?

Just double checking, I usually let the config files handle it for me, but with this new ROM I'm not sure how to check if it's using No drivers (assuming that's default), HTC CA drivers, or omnia drivers
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] NuShrike:
You could probably use lights.exe to tell you since it dumps the info to you as it starts up.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] zanthos:
I have sucessfully installed this driver on my Toshiba G900.

Just for those of you who don't know: G900 has a WVGA screen (800x480) which causes the main cpu to more work than ordinary QVGA devices..

I didn't really feel a better performance using the sample apps. (I have to admit that my G900 already had the same driver, but an older version.)

=>> BUT: using PocketCM is defenitely much faster. Now it really scrolls smoothly all the time!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] ccheung:
I installed Opera, but I don't like it cannot play youtube video. How can I set iexplore.exe back to be the default program for html file. I don't know what is the exact string value I have to input in advanced config-> file association. Please help.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] djfuego:
Oh...

So why no QVGA mode driver? surely it would be even faster?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] xplode:
ok like some other people pointed this i will clear a lil bit more about D3DMXSc50PB.dll

If you look at the file properties you will find what this DLL really is:

Beta 1, Build 50, Feb 13 2003

Intel Corporation

Version 0.92.0.50

Copyright © 2002, 2003 Intel Corporation

XScale(R) Optimized D3DM Software Driver, Beta 1

this is platform builder (CE5) DLL made by intel for software direct 3d rendering, many companies use it in their BSP's. I use it in my roms since the beginning of WM5 so it helps a lil but it is not the proper driver solution for true hardware direct 3d rendering
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] arocha55:
so what's the general consensus regarding this drivers?

Is Samsung OMNIA drivers better than HTC CA drivers?

What do you guys prefer?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] kusha:
hi

could anyone post a screenshot in their TYTN2?

wonder how it would look like.

:confused:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] shuhail:
does it work on imate jama (samsung processor 300 speed)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] eric2k:
Hey,

HTC Vogue owner here.

I am wondering, how can i tbenchmark or check the difference with/without the new drivers.

I want to see how much of a difference they actually make for the vogue.

I cant run the d3d apps you posted on the other post... still dont work...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] buggers999:
I tried the attached demos from the original post. Before any drivers on my stock TyTN II 6.1, the demos would hardly play, and without any lighting. With the Samsung drivers, everything played almost smoothly with full effects.

With the latest HTC-CA drivers, they were about the same FPS but without any lighting effects.

Done some comparisons with WMV videos though playing in Windows Media Player and neither drivers made any difference compared to no drivers. Tried a re-encoded video using the Pocket PC profile from Windows Media Encoder which always plays smoothly, with minor tearing, and I tried a high-def video whcih played at less than 1 FPS. So the drivers made no difference for video playback. But the Samsung were the best for playing the 3D demos from the original post (especially the light demo).
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] WIzard200x:
I can confirm these findings for the Kaiser 130 (Tytn II) as above.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] WIzard200x:
@ buggers999: I can confirm all your findings for stock HTC Tytn II (Kaiser).
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] NuShrike:
Nevermind ... these apps are much smoother with the XSCALE drivers and are better at passing the reference tests in the sample apps than the d3d_ati one is.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] Isaygarcia:
theres a way to combine (merge) this drivers with the htcca ones??!!!

:D!!

that would be amazing!!

with fast ddraw and openGL!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] rfarnell:
Check out this unboxing of the Samsung Omnia phone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQlzX7EyIwU

It's well worth watching and a bit of fun too.

Rob
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] kp126:
I just installed the samsung drivers and all the test apps were working fine before i did a soft reset...

now when i run lights.exe i get: driver info, hardware rasterization false, hardware t&l false, using system memory... then it trys to load the cylinder but i wait for it about 30 seconds then the cylinder shows but does not do much at all and prior to soft reset it was moving fairly smooth

running triangle.exe- i get initOGLES result:3, -1440 fps(before reset was showing around +600)

running text3d.exe it opens(though takes longer than before soft reset) and text is readable

Im using a tilt with official 6.1 rom 1.62.502.00

radio: 1.27.14.09

and htcca drivers did not work for me

anyone have any idea what is going on or is this all normal
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] ermenzegna:
welcome aboard, sir chan :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] arod7:
LOL .
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] nir36:
well, they certainly don't work on Polaris.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] ct25pf:
hello all

i'm installed on my universal this driver and work

But i dont see the great increse performance on my device

sorry for my bad english :(
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] pyraxiate:
LOL thats funny :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] Oberth:
Works on the Athena

Hello All,

Just tested on my Athena running AP4 all seems to work ok and a couple of games do seem a little less stuttery against the normal driver. Another top find for the HTC community :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] liomojo:
ultimate 6150 has the same version of this file so that is why i have no improvement 0.92.0.50
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] dzuchowski:
does not work on sprint ppc6900 touch. It still gets 3 fps for the d3ddemo cube program.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] invasion13:
there's an interesting item at

http://www.modaco.com/content/pocket-pc-professional-news/271604/pics-tv-out-on-the-touch-pro/

"...but the “DirectDraw” option was flicker free, and worked flawlessly. No slowdown or judder at all with my 700Mb file, and the picture quality on the TV was surprisingly good. ( so the Video Driver issue that plagued the TyTN2 might not bother the Touch Pro ..."

regards
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] kosmodisk:
will it work on other devices with xscale processor pxa27x like o2 atom...?

omnia has xscale processor, so it could be for it...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] sanjay2007:
Can We Use This Driver In Xda Atom

Hi to all can any one help me about this driver pls tell me can i use this driver in xda atom which INTEL XSCALE Processor 416 Mhz
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] ivosiliev:
Are they compatable for HTC Elf?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] mrpiggae:
Hello all, just thought that I would share my experience with the driver and test apps from the first page being used on my Kaiser with the new AT&T WM 6.1 official ROM:

Before installing the driver I installed the test apps first. Without the Samsung driver, hardly any of the would even play. The cylinder rotated at snail-like speed, barely even moving.

I installed the Samsung driver and did a soft reset, and now all of the test programs run at really fast speeds. I mean I couldn't even load the Billboard app before, it would just give me the windows loading wait cursor and then kick me back to the today screen. With the Samsung driver Billboard loaded up and ran like a champ.

One issue, though: Before the drivers, my Ultimate Launch setup on my Today screen would re-draw itself perfectly after changing from landscape to portrait and back again. Now, after the drivers, when I go from landscape (which gives me a scroll bar on the right side) to portrait, the scroll bar goes away but the empty space where it was remains. Almost like the Today screen didn't re-draw itself like it should.

Any ideas on that one, guys? Programs like s2v and s2p seems to be running a bit smoother (or maybe I've just convinced myself that they do), so I'd like to keep the driver.

EDIT: After uninstalling and re-installing, my issue appears to be related more to Ultimate Launch rather than the drivers. It kind of comes and goes. Thanks again.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] yuwan:
can we use it for i-Mate ULTIMATE 9502?

can we use it for i-Mate ULTIMATE 9502?:confused:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] ?Glitch:
Thought I would share my experience with this driver...

Running AT&T latest 6.1 ROM, full load with bloatware (some removed)

The 3D rendering all runs somewhat acceptable, phone performs overall acceptable, but with an unexpected side effect; The periodic unresponsive GUI that was present on this ROM seems to have stopped.

Would this be due to HTC releasing these ROMS with the MS driver? And could this be the reason MS said no on release of this driver in production ROMS? Could this be the needed leverage to get HTC to pony up on the driver?

?Glitch
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] newone757:
still wondering if this can be used on the titan (6800, mogul ) safely???? nobody answered the other question if this could be uninstalled either
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] Syd159:
Installed the test files on my Kaiser with the standard T-Mobile Dutch WM6.0 rom. The samples took at least 15 seconds to start. The animation was ultimate crap. If you can call it an animation at all.

Installed the driver and ran the test files again. Definitely a great improvement, but far from smooth. 2D stuff like switching through pages in Throttlelauncher... minor difference.

/edit: After rebooting my device the drivers don't seem to work anymore.

/edit 2: Portrait/Landscape switch is faster and scrolling in Opera mobile 9.5 landscape has improved.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] undac:
Direct3D has nothing to do with either of those, that's either the effects of imagitation/whisful thinking or just rebooting the deivce...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] locolyric:
this cab can install on atom exec ?

after the install.The D3D sample can't be open anymore...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] Syd159:
I didn't check it. It's only the observation of the eye. Wishful thinking could make the world a little better. :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] Shimpuu:
Hi Guys,

can i change the resolution of the screen with the OMNIA 3D-Driver?

best reegards

Shimpuu
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] ?Glitch:
Yes it can be uninstalled, the only thing the driver cab does is copy one file, and modify one reg entry. For those that want to try this, it seems to work better on 6.1 ROMS, and for the driver install to survive a soft reset, you need to shut down your pda using the power button held for 5 secs the first time or the reg entry will return to default.

?Glitch
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] wmccann1:
9502

For anyone that is interested, it works great with the 9502 - seems much more responsive than before, have spb phone tools etc installed different dialer with larger buttons (can't remember which one and there is no about for it) and that now works great.

In general very very happy with the drivers - can recommend.

Note i am using the 6.1 update on the phone.

Regards,

Walter.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] viluve:
is it just placebo effect with me, or is the camera refresh rate under low light has improved with this patch?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] yuwan:
Thanks wmccann1.. tried it and success!! :)

Orions: Deckmaster graphics run smoothly... (before,the animations so laggy)... ^^