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[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] theholyguy:
Mi10t for me... i prefer better SoC 865+ than a oled screen ,and it has better cam. But one or other does the job. Better than this supposed flagship that can even get 5g [emoji23]

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[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] roryh86:
Nope, Vodafone. Well, I tested the old firmware again today after a reset, and no 5G. There was some 4G+ aggregation but it was switching poorly compared to my Exynos (which obviously seems to be tweaked to work better in UK).

You can still flash back to the old software if you want, its easy.

I've just finished doing the steps mentioned in the first message in this thread, and the phone has just completed the reset. So I'm gonna test if its worked successfully and if it makes 5G work.

Will report back soon!
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] roryh86:
So I followed the method by tribalfs in the first post, and it worked to enable 5G (Vodafone UK).

I had to change CSC to BRI + flash BRI firmware ATGM (1st July security patch) to make it work. I can confirm 5G is only working in Sim 2 tray (which sucks for those who want to use MicroSD).

I can also confirm that at the end of my testing, I ran the software update to test if it would break the 5G, so after it installed ATH1 firmware, 5G did indeed stop working :(

Something else I noticed, is that my UK Exynos Note 20U is on ATH9 firmware (with ATH3 CSC) while the latest Hong Kong firmware is ATH1.

So I think it's quite possible that 5G is broken on the Hong Kong ATH1 firmware/CSC. It is several builds behind UK variant.

As someone pointed out earlier, it would be great to find out if Hong Kong users have the same issue.

Another thing I noticed is that the 5G icon on my Exynos has a white box surrounding the icon, while my Snapdragon doesn't. It would be interesting to see if the reason is because its part of the newer firmware.

Below are results of some testing I did, by switching my SIM card between the two Notes. I walked from a 4G area only to a 5G area and test along the way.

Each side by side was done from the same location.

Left (dark theme) is Exynos UK, right (light theme) is N9860.

There are some interesting observations.

N9860 CA 4G+ working fine. Great speeds from LTE. Lower latency on N9860.

UK Exynos is showing 5G status bar icon, but is only connected to 4G LTE. Similar speeds on speedtest but Exynos still showing 5G icon (fake news).

You can see N9860 is picking up the 5G signal :) Very fast speed as well.

One final note, even though the N9860 was doing carrier aggregation (4G+), I noticed Exynos UK would almost instantly connect to 4G+, while the N9860 took time (and not always connected).

I believe the CA is much more aggressive on the UK phone whereas the N9860 takes its time to connect. It could be because the UK software is optimised for our networks, and is mapped out in the firmware for quick access.

Thanks
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] theholyguy:
I don't know if i cry or I laugh... 1300€ for a phone and if you leave your country , example Hong Kong, it starts working like a midrange phone [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

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[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] tribalfs:
It will not trip knox. Good luck!
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] roryh86:
Thanks. It didn't trip Knox. I should've mentioned that in Post #64.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] bocsta:
Great midnight testing there! Much appreciated!

5G is only working in Sim 2 tray (which sucks for those who want to use MicroSD).

Is that on both Exynos and SD ?

Why is the 5g speed on the SD twice as fast as the Exynos

"while the N9860 took time (and not always connected). " Can you expand on the non connection comment ?

5g was rolled out in HK in April see here (which includes 3 which we are familar with in the UK). I find it odd that this premium device isnt getting 5g in HK. $$$ spent by Samsung Marketing and it fails 5g. The massive electronic billboards displaying a Note with the 5g symbol next to it :confused:
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] VirtualWaver:
Thanks a lot for this hard work!!

Did you notice any other changes with BRI (Samsung Pay, Samsung Keyboard layout, Hiya spam blocking feature, any other feature that missing/doesnt work vs TGY)? Thanks.

I am curious: when Samsung will release next firmware for HK will it be just ATH3 or the latest one Exynos use? If it will start with ATH3 it means that HK software will be always behind Exynos for at least 3-4 months.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] JimzFreebies:
If anyone wants to buy new N9860 then which variant will you guide to buy, TGY or BRI?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] theholyguy:
If you want 5g for now better wait. Normally in Europe TGY is better. But this time is not working in 5g either.

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[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] JimzFreebies:
I'm in India. No 5g here. So, 5g is not required. I haven't found anyone in xda who is using n9860 in India. Found 1 in sam mobile but he's not replying.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] theholyguy:
In that case can't help. What I read here is that on some carriers there you must have voLTE to use the phone. And this phone was having problems e some regions in voLTE. Better wait for feedback.

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[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] androidlover287:
Long as your carrier supports VoLTE - should work worldwide
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] JimzFreebies:
My carrier only supports volte. Means without volte, it wouldn't work. No calls, no sms
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] BlinkThinks:
Wait, VoLTE is basically Voice over LTE. How come your SMS is affected? And are you saying that your service provider already ditched 2G, 3G/UMTS, and only caters to 4G/LTE (at the minimum) mobile phones?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] roryh86:
Hi, I've answered in blue above.

Thanks, it took a while! I don't use Samsung Pay so I cant really tell.. Didn't notice anything different with the keyboard. Smart Call (Hiya) doesn't seem to be available on the BRI which sucks :( But I think you can get this as a standalone app in Google Play Store? Anyway hopefully they will fix TGY and we can go back to that one. Wi-Fi calling seems available.

Regarding updates, yeah its quite behind. The updates were very quick on the Exynos. Hopefully when they update the CSC from ATH1 to something newer, it will fix the issue..
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] JimzFreebies:
Absolutely, only 4g. No 2g or 3g
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] BlinkThinks:
I'm curious about your service provider. Which one is it among India's service providers?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] JimzFreebies:
Its Jio 4g. We get 2gb per day + unlimited calls in India + free 100sms daily for 84 days. Price: less than US$10. Its cheapest in the world.

Same goes for Jio fiber here. US $100 per year - 150mbps unlimited + unlimited National calls
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] BlinkThinks:
Good deal indeed! I hope the service and quality are consistently good. The price is only as good as the consistent quality of service.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] aise:
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[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] marriusf81:
Hi all!

If the UK members could tell were they bought they're phone from. Mine one should come in the next few days and the seller from eBay (topfoneshop) advertises the phone as N9860. Will I have the same troubles with 5g? I live in Chelmsford and we don't have 5g, at least I don't know if my O2 4g contract allows me to check if 5g is working. So, I'm afraid I will not be really able to check if 5g will work before or after updating. Cheers!
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] evenshop:
No matter where you buy it from. The problem is the same with each and every latest firmware for N9860 (TGY, BRI or CHC). The only solution is to downgrade to July FW.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] marriusf81:
The phone didn't came yet, it's due to arrive. It's no point in opening the box. It will be a return. Thanks a lot for your prompt reply. Cheers
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] fjorger:
Hi there,

Do we have ”native call recording” while on HK SM-N9860 and CSC ”BRI”?

Thanks.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] JimzFreebies:
No both TGY & BRI csc do not have native call recording.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] VirtualWaver:
As far as I know native phone recording is available in CHC firmware only.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] fjorger:
Thanks,

So if we (using the same procedure stated here), instead load/change the Firmware to CHC, will the recording feature be back? Or do we meed all codes changed to CHC (only possible with root)?

I'm guessing that the CHC (mainland China) has some shortcomings, right?

By the way I heard that India code has "call recording" feature too. Don't if it's true or not.

Regards.

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Thanks for the confirmation...
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] theholyguy:
CHC meets the laws of China dictatorship... no Google play etc i think... India is exynos so forget about put India CSC on N9860...

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[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] fjorger:
Thanks,

So for now we are stuck with either root (not something I want to do), or using third party apps (and no Bluetooth call recording or phonecall seamless integration/ backup), that's sad (my old Note 9 has it all thanks to the Thai sim swap trick)[emoji3063][emoji3062]...

Let's hope something appears later on.

Regards
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] theholyguy:
I think is a feature that is very doubtful in a lot of country's because of data protection.

Samsung officially don't want problems, so the solution will be always a thing like a custom rom or a third-party app.

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[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] vodovodo:
Thanks for everyone participated in this thread

I flashed July update and sold this damn thing.

Replaced with a mi 10 at the moment (non pro, non ultra) and a tab s6 for the spen goodies

And I couldn't be happier.

5g working perfectly

Battery life triple the one on the note 20 ultra

Camera with gcam is perfect

Bye bye sam**** for ever. Keep ur exynos or snapdragon regional policy active! And make it worse by blocking 3rd party camera apps.

It will take u down in a couple of years hopefully
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] fjorger:
I fully understand your frustration (I'm there too), but not giving up just yet.

Can you tell me if the mi10 has native call recording (as other xiaomi phones) enabled?

Regards.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] theholyguy:
You did right... if i can afford a xiaomi and a S tab that's what I would do for sure.

I will wait some couple of weeks because I need dex and s-pen features, if 5g don't work then I must balance between 4g and dex and s-pen, or 5g a ditch the dex and s-pen...

Samsung is bullshitting too much for a supposed flagship premium company that's for sure.

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[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] vodovodo:
I unlocked bootloader and flashed xiaomi.eu global rom with miui12 and Android 11... Android freaking 11! On a xiaomi is already stable !

the native call recording is there manually or automatically with all calls! U choose.

The music application works exactly as premium youtube music! U only sign with ur google account and enjoy!

I get 8 to 9 SOT With 5g bluetooth gps active all the time! With future fight gaming 3 hours per day. Email push notifications, youtube netflix and everything full power! I didn't have to go through 1000 tips to save battery to end up with less than 5 hours SOT like I had with samsung !

I got the MI 10 and tab s6 both seconds hand for almost 880$ that's almost 500$ less than note 20 ultra when I got it!

Tip for everyone. Stop waisting money on samsung. I am never going back to these overpriced toys ever again. There are rumors on mi 10T pro. Amoled 144hz screen 108 new samsung sensor camera on a gamble and 5000 battery dual speakers and 65w charging and will be less than 700 euros!!!
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] theholyguy:
Snapdragon note 20 ultra is 900€ now in t-dimension.com, the problem is Samsung bullshitting about 5g etc...

Like I say wait a couple of weeks a decide if dex and s-pen features balance losing 5g... otherwise it will be for sure mi10t ultra

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[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] roryh86:
I'm just using the old firmware for now until they fix it.

It's working absolutely fine with great battery life.

5G and 4G+ working perfectly. (Although does anyone know why the 5G icon doesn't have the solid background like it should?)

Vodafone UK speed

It seems the Hong Kong variant is slow with updates though, which is unfortunate.

Another interesting thing I came across (which maybe some of you might already know), is that Snapdragon 865+ still doesn't support Dual SIM 5G. Which might explain why only a single SIM (SIM 2) supports 5G, and also why my Exynos can work in both.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] jtOttawa:
That's odd - Qualcomm's website seems to indicate that it does:

https://www.qualcomm.com/products/snapdragon-865-plus-5g-mobile-platform

Multi-SIM features: Global 5G multi-SIM

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I see now the article you cited addresses that point: "We’ve also heard of “5G multi-SIM” being thrown around, but this generally applies to 5G+4G dual SIM phones at the moment."

This would actually be fine by me - as long as we get 5G on one SIM slot, and if we could select the SIM slot we get 5G on.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] roryh86:
Yes, I was gonna share that explanation with you. So it seems the 865+ can do 5G+4G. So maybe when the N9860 is used outside of HK, 5G only works on SIM 2 (I can't imagine in HK that they have to use SIM 2 as well and lose out on MicroSD).

But from the comments I'm reading it still sounds like Samsung's firmware is buggy. Because some people complained that they lose 5G as soon as they have 2 SIM cards in the phone (although I can't remember if they had 5G SIM in slot 2 + 4G slot 1).

I haven't tried it myself as I don't have a second SIM, I might buy a cheap £5 SIM to try it out.

It's still very early days for 5G tech though. I was reading the X60 modem (Note 20U is X55) supports 5G aggregation and voice over 5G, which already kinda makes the X55 "old tech".
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] bocsta:
With 5g on sim 2 you cant use SD card ?

But do we have confirmation that in HK they have 5g on Sim 1 ?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] roryh86:
The SD card and the SIM 2 use the same location. So you can only use either one at the same time.

I don't know about HK confirmation but another user commented a few posts back on this thread that he hasn't heard of anyone complaining about his issue in HK. Maybe he can elaborate more?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] roryh86:
Seems the new firmware is out. ATI2.

Some people have reported that 5G is still not working..

Does anyone know if the CSC change method in the first post will still work on September patch if we update?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] theholyguy:
Should work, because first you downgrade to outbox firmware. Anyway you change to BRI and it doesn't work 5g anyway.

Maybe in October patch [emoji23] that's why i buy only end of October.

Or maybe we must joint together and fill a reclamation and send to Samsung.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] rkdadra:
I'm using n9860 in India
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] JimzFreebies:
Wow.. Bro check pm please
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] roryh86:
I read somewhere else that if you update to September patch, something with the security policy, you cant go back even if you flash the July firmware.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] theholyguy:
I think via odin is always possible, unless Samsung keeps bullshitting even further [emoji23]

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[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] dron39:
If I change CSC from TGY to CHC by method in original post, will it give me native call recording as from Chinese CSC (CHC) firmware ?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] roryh86:
From what I read, CHC has call recording. But I think it doesn't natively come with Google Play store and you have to download the APK. I would look into the restrictions on CHC before making the move just for call recording.

I don't understand why so many people have call recording as priority :D
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] theholyguy:
I don't understand also this fétiche with call recording... China csc is a bit tricky with some apps and etc. You must check if call recording worth the limitations.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] roryh86:
Yeah it's weird, I don't get it. I'm sure there's good reason, maybe different cultures as well different priority of features.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] farehmani:
For the Hong Kong N9860, has anyone tried doing with all ROM files of TGY but CSC of Open China CHC. Will it unlock native call recording? Will it keep updating aswell.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] Poliarinis_eziukas:
Culture has nothing to do here. Its just super convenient. If you had phone with native call recorder before it will be very hard to sacrise it... Its more addicting than 120Hz after using 60hz :)

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Yeah 900eur, but no reviews, no feedbacks so far... Is that shop even real at all?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] bocsta:
For the UK / Europe, Is it possible to use the CSC from a S20FE (5g variant with SD) on a N9860 ?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] roryh86:
But I don't understand, why would it be addictive? Why would you relisten to conversations on a daily basis? Personally I never had a moment where I felt like I needed to relisten to some phone conversation. Also, 90% of my phone calls these days are WhatsApp.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] farehmani:
Bro, that is your one case, I usually am driving a lot and people tell me number of things which I cannot write or memorise so an automatic call recording helps in relisting things to do without missing. Also there are number of wonders one can do with a clear call recording.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] Poliarinis_eziukas:
How old are you? Do have a job? 90% call on what's up? Well if 90% your calls is to or from your mom maybe. Real life scenarios says opposite :)

Let say you are in a hurry picking up the phone and and you can agree on appointment , don't need to take a notes for details etc ... It's just one of those things which is unbelievable convenient for busy man, for those who does several things an once... Oh sh*t wait a minute.. galaxy note series is for that kind of persons ! ???

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Did you solve it on n9860?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] roryh86:
I guess your job requires it, mine doesn't. If a call requires some details to be saved that can't be memorised I just save it on Google Keep. It's not happening every call. And no, I have WhatsApp work group and we leave voice notes which are already recorded. But anyway yeah I see why for some people it might be convenient. So you can't use any 3rd party app to record? Or has Samsung blocked that.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] farehmani:
Yes with an already known way, I flashed my phone with CHC (open china's) rom. Native call recording came but it was a disaster to use a China only rom with everything designed for Chinese. Plus lots of bloatware. So I switched back to TGY csc (Hong kong) and now settled in poor ACR with low quality recording.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] tdodd:
FWIW I ordered from T-Dimension on Monday last week and received the phone today (Wednesday), nine days after placing my order. No additional charges above the advertised price.

Box was sealed and a UK plug adapter was included, even though unnecessary as the Hong Kong charger has UK pins.

Clear TPU case included and a thin screen protector fitted. AKG phones also in the box.

This is my first purchase from T-Dimension. Delivery is a bit slow, but pretty much in line with what they say up front, so hard to complain with significant savings and an SD865+. :)
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] bocsta:
T-Dimension £200 cheaper on the 12 + 512gb ultra bronze compared to wonda

Can't ignore that
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] DeaDman594:
Hi can I change SM-N9860 from TGY to INS CSC. I know INS is for Exynos but N9860 is Snapdragon.

Please trying to get the native call recording on N9860

Thank You
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] marriusf81:
How about 4g+ and 5g on N9860? Still no work around to make it work?. I'm about to return the phone but I would like to keep it. The phone came with August firmware and I can't downgrade to July. I've tried with Odin and no success. Regards
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] tdodd:
I don't have 5G anywhere near me to test, but I saw LTE+ on my VOXI (Vodafone MVNO) while driving through my town this morning. No idea on speeds - I was just looking for a sign of LTE+, not speed testing from the car.

My phone is stock N9860 from Hong Kong as supplied by T-Dimension, with latest firmware updates installed by me on receipt yesterday. No messing with CSC etc..

VOXI SIM was in slot 1 and a Three SIM in slot 2. This is in the UK.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] jcmendes66:
do you receive HK patch from october in this device? I m not .
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] DeaDman594:
I read CHC doesn't have Play Store and comes with lots bloatware. What about the other apps? I so suggested to change it to CHC. I have Exynos model SM-N986B. I just received my 9860 SD TGY. I am trying to get the Native recording.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] tdodd:
The OTA I installed yesterday was with September security patch.

There is a new OTA today, also still with September patch only.

https://doc.samsungmobile.com/SM-N9860/TGY/doc.html
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] DeaDman594:
October Update came out Yesterday
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] behemot24:
After the September update I could finally see the 5G icon on my N9860 (TGY firmware) with the SIM card in the slot 1. But honestly I couldn't see any difference comparing to the 4G+ speed in everyday use.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] marriusf81:
Thanks mate but it's not working for me. I'm on BRI, September update but no luck. No 4g+
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] behemot24:
Did you try with the latest TGY firmware too? :confused:
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] marriusf81:
I haven't cos I wasn't aware that I can flash other region firmware. So, you're telling me I can flash it and I can go back to BRI safely so I can do the return in case of no success with 4g+?