yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Telvin_3d:
See, in my experience when someone has to resort to semantics it proves the weakness of their own position.

First, the poser in question was specifically talking about software that is available mainly on WM. Beyond that, like it or not, the iPhone store system means there is effectively no piracy. Homebrew yes, but not piracy. So the comments are hardly applicable to the iPhone anyways, even if you want to read them that way.

This is not the supreme court where there is any benefit to be gained by poring over the semantics and possible technical interpretations of a word. Anyone who reads the post knows what he is referring to and to seriously suggest otherwise is insulting to anyone trying to have a real discussion here. If you are no longer interested in what is being said here fair enough, but trying to muddy the waters for those of us who are gains nothing.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Black93300ZX:
Oh I forgot, God of arguing, you're right. iPhone doesn't even have turn by turn capability, so he couldn't be talking about the iPhone... It doesn't even have the possibility of ONE program being available for that at all. Really shows the weakness of my position.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] darthbane2k:
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Looks like YOU'RE done

There is definately a feeling that Windows Mobile is being abandoned. Dont get me wrong, im not hating on WM, I have used it for 5 years - but I feels its going the way of Palm OS unless Microsoft, HTC or someone do something to entice commercial developers
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] lmbranco:
I have both the iPhone and the Diamond.

The iPhone was cool the first 5 minutes, then it just became what is supposed to be, a mobile phone with some cool and nice apps. Nothing more, nothing less. And yes, it's a nice iPod.

The Diamond?

It's wonderfull, it has a fantastic potential, it's small and looks great, and it's has Windows Mobile, what gives it the potencial to become even better with the software that will be developed.

Do you really think that people will develop for the iPhone always? Look, now it's all nice because the app store is the easiest way to install software on your iPhone, and most of the good ones are paid, so off course, developers want to get some financial compensation out of their work, and there is no better place than the app store. One guy even bought the $999 application, so you see, it's easy to make money there. But with time, many good freeware applications will come up and people will stop buying the expensive ones, and then we are back on level 0. Same story for hacked iPhones, you can install whatever you want, for free.

And see, this is what i love about Windows Mobile, you can do whatever you want, and with all the support from this wonderfull comunity. And trust me, Windows Mobile development is not dead or dying, actually is better than ever.

You just need to check the cool ports of the iPhone best features that were done for free by some clever developers. As an example, Slide2Play, Slide2Unlock, Contact tools and so forth.

Rom cooking is another typical point, you will not see this happening for the iPhone in the next times, because Apple simply does not allow it.

Hell, Apple even does not allow developers of different applications to share information between them. Do you think this will make people happy? Don't think so.

I tell you one thing, the iPhone is a cool device to impress the people who know nothing about customizing a phone, all the others just say "I can do that with my phone too".

Peace brother!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] darthbane2k:
I actually agree with all of your comments apart from this:

What you are talking about are the indivdual enthusiasts, many of which are members of this forum. What im talking about is larger commercial development support, which is why I mentioned huge services such as Sky (by mobile), Flickr, Facebook, Myspace, Shazam etc...

the commercial support for WM is dying.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] lmbranco:
Trust me, when these applications would really improve our user experience in Windows Mobile they would have been done alreay.

If you really would like to have them, i recommend you try to develop them yourself, give it a try and maybe you manage to make something that makes many people here change their mind about the usabilty of facebook and others.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] darthbane2k:
I am not a developer.

And with the example of facebook, just look at the iphone version, scroll through contacts, contacts and events that intergrate with your general PIM data, view photos full screen in high quality using the tilt function.

Theres no reason why the likes of diamond, touch pro, omnia etc cannot do all this, yet we are stuck with the crude facebook mobile or a bunch of facebook apps that hate VGA screens.

I have tried to view the normal facebook site using Opera, and it renders fine - but pictures dont display with any clarity and I certainly cant view them full screen.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] writinggirl:
"What im talking about is larger commercial development support, which is why I mentioned huge services such as Sky (by mobile), Flickr, Facebook, Myspace, Shazam etc..."

Here we are again. You assume, that "Flickr, Facebook, Myspace, Shazam etc" are important markets. Mobile computing is a lot more. Embedded systems CE running your car. Ever seen an iPhone controlling your CAN-Bus? Mobile data in supermarkets - that's industrial CE in WM devices. Most PNA's out there are just WM5 or 6 CE's without all the office stuff and a reprogrammed today screen - just like TF3D. I havn't seen an Iphone PNA or a supermarket merchant scanning his stock with an iPhone.

Don't start to believe that your teeny-whiny preferences reflect the world market importance. As I said before, there are a lot more task and jobs out there not related to social networking, music and entertainment.

And for a change, try to get hold of an iPhone SDK and check the restrictions on distribution and the price distribution system of the iPhone AppStore. Do yourself a favor and try to calculate what will be left in your pocket if iTunes offers a product at 4.99 - and than tell me, how you want to make a decent living.

I'm getting the feeling that you have no idea what it means to work and make a living sitting on the very end of the tail of Apple, iTunes or Sony Playstation.

Susann
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] lmbranco:
You are right about Facebook, but have you actually complained with the guys who developed the version for Windows Mobile about your feature requests?

"One bird does not make the spring."

You refer a few applications that are missing, but have you thought the other way around? How many applications from Windows Mobile don't exist or are not that good in the iPhone? We could speak about this all day.

I do think that your point is based on a small example of some applications that appear to be fundamental for you but are not for others.

Windows Mobile will not die, just evolve, like the iPhone OSX, and there will be space for all.

Same story could be applied for Windows vs Mac OS, and others...
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] CutePinkSox:
Jump right back in a few months

I think you might just jump back over the next year the Nvidia Tegra is brewing up very nicely... it is the size of US Dime

The chip will use milliwatts as opposed to Watts of power and will be able to decode 720p video for 30 hours on a single charge from a 1450mah battery - okay lets be conservative 20 hours or hell lets say 15. Now that in my opinion is a breakthrough. The initial Tegra chip specs are as follows...

Tegra APX 2500:

Processor and Memory Subsystem

ARM11 MPCore

16/32-bit LP-DDR

NAND Flash support

HD AVP (High Definition Audio Video Processor)

720p H.264 encode or decode

720p VC-1/WMV9 decode

D1 MPEG-4 decode or encode

Supports multi-standard audio formats, including AAC, AMR, WMA, and MP3

JPEG encode and decode acceleration

ULP (Ultra Low Power) GeForce

OpenGL ES 2.0

D3D Mobile

Programmable pixel shader

Programmable vertex and lighting

Advanced 2D graphics

Imaging

Up to 12 megapixel camera sensor support

Integrated ISP

Advanced imaging features

Display Subsystem

True dual-display support

720p (1280x720) HDMI 1.3 support

FWVGA (864x480) LCD and SXGA (1280x1024) CRT support

Composite and S-Video TV output

Tegra supports up to 22 hours of Web browsing from a handheld devices, compared with four hours on an Atom-based system, and can do up to 26 hours of high definition video playback, compared with four hours of standard definition playback on Atom.

In addition to the video playback, the Tegra can handle up to 130 hours of audio playback, is optimized for HD image and video processing and supports 1080p HDMI, WSXGA+ LCD and CRT, and NTSC/PAL TV-Out output. It also has support for Wi-Fi, disk drives, keyboard, mouse, and other peripherals.

Take a look at the Vids...

http://www.phonesreview.co.uk/2008/06/06/four-super-videos-of-the-nvidia-tegra/

http://www.nvidia.com/object/io_1212391368499.html

http://www.nvidia.com/object/apx_2500.html

Now the great thing is Microsoft have worked very closely with Nvidia to optimize it for windows mobile (7 specifically but also a glorified 6.1) this should refresh developer support considerably in terms of eye candy imagine the liberation for devs with all that horsepower whilst using a known OS like Winmo and familiar ARM instruction in addition to proper support/drivers from a company like Nvidia.

Devices are said to be expected end of 2008.

Enjoy reading.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] howzatcookie:
what is the obsession with touchscreen phones atm? I know that they appear to be really innovative and "cool", but for me their just an inconvenience! I owned a HTC Touch for about a year and found it the most annoying phone ever, it was great to flash around to my mates but when it actually came down to dialling a number or typing a text (the most basic phone functions) it was impossible!

I now proudly own the (officially) number one smartphone on the market atm...the Nokia N95 8GB. Fantastic phone is all I can say! It does literally everything I could ever want it to do. Its sexy, has a great 5mp camera, huge space for photos, videos, majority of my music and all my emails and it never faults! My one only criticism is that the slider was a bit wobbly but it was easily fixed :D .

I dont know why people are still bothering with windows mobile. They are constantly falling short of what should be a good OS, and i realise that symbian is also not perfect but it does the job better then windows mobile hands down.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] xep624:
re

lol

If apple only needs to fix these "bugs"... you'll buy windows mobile phones till the end of your life :-)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Nuri58:
These are the things which can not be concluded. What for me works, is logical and looks sexy is not the same as for everybody else (otherwise only one phone would be around). Personally I detest the Nokia N95 (not equal to say it's bad or anything, and I do respect you choise because it satisfies your needs and that's the most important).

I like the TD, not perfect, but right now what I find the best, except it's too popular perhaps. Had my priority been photos the TD would defenitly fall short, but it isn't. I guess that my priority is the Windows with is good and evil, but sooooo many possibilities with it. Your priorities are obviously different than mine, and that's the beauty because it keeps the manufactors improving their products, have a good range of choice, and we are both happy with what we have, isn't is?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] teddyen66:
Well, with the Diamond winning the EISA Award for "Best Smartphone 2008", i don't think the author of this thread is going to be right :-)

I think WM phones are here to stay :-)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] bobo_error:
Don't you think that the main reason for the new facebook application for iphone is because the existing ones doesn't work in iphone(not sure about this).

Also the reason that there aren't any working for the diamond(VGA I mean ofc) is that the old ones are useable with it even if they look bad?

There will surely be applications that works wonders in the WM VGA devices soon since they will realize that it might be needed.

Also I saw that there was a thread about that someone wanted a facebook app for the diamond(http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=411548) and apparently snap2face (or whatvr it's called) is uppdated and now works fine on the Diamond.. I haven't tried it but it's what someone else said..
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] duke748:
For your average consumer the Iphone App Store is a unified point of resource where they can get whatever they need - No technical knowledge needed.

Let's face it there's a hell of a lot of people using itunes and they can get what they want in a nice logical step.

I've got my Touch Pro turning up on Monday. If i want apps for it I'm going to have to search over several different sites to get what i want. Your average non-techy person just doesn't want the hassle of that.

What's needed is the Microsoft equivalent of the app store. They already have something similar for the XBOX 360 in the marketplace which is opening for homebrew.

I'm coming back to Windows Mobile because I miss it. Had a N95 and a Iphone v1 ( Jailbroken ) for the past year.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] lesiohormon:
reading all that post i'll wait for n96 i can now upgrade my mobile choice is Iphone or diamond the same price for my (don't ask) at the moment i using n95 and htc universal i'm very happy with both of them apart of freeze in Windows as usual in micro$oft i have to say symbian is getting improve with the nokia software update WinMob with XDA Dev website I never had for tests Iphone so ....

Can somebody tell me what a fu.... should i take ???? to be HAPPY

Symbian

Windows Mobile

Mac
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Trem:
Symbian OS, some like it, personally I have had enough of it. Had Nokias the past 2-3 years and have gone back to Windows Mobile (Diamond) and don't regret it.

Windows Mobile - Yes it's a MS product and has bugs/issues but there's so much you can do with it. Personally I love it. I have had 2 phones previously with Windows Mobile - the XDAII and XDA Exec, I regretted moving away but forced myself to try Nokias for a while but only ended up making myself dislike Symbian more. I tried Ericsson's prior to the Windows Mobile phones and my partner has them as she loves them but I have never liked Ericsson. I prefer an OS that has support so you can get great ROMS and apps and be part of a great community - god I love my Daimond hehe

Mac - In my opinion I love the speed and fluidity of the OS but the 3G Iphone is way too limited. It doesn't have what I want and shows off things I would never be interested in. It's a jack of all trades and a master of 1 (nice music player - get an Ipod!)

These are my opinions only. Everyone has their own expectations/opinions. Some prefer phones that can make calls, I prefer mine to have loads of extras to mess with - music, videos, great browser, customisation etc etc

Do what I did. Read reviews and check comparisons. I went from a choice of 3 phones (Diamond, Iphone 3G and Samsung I900 Omnia) to one - the Diamond without a doubt - the high res screen, small size and extra hardware buttons inc scroll wheel topped the pro's for me.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] cool8man:
The problem that I have with ever going to iPhone over Windows Mobile or possibly Android is that the iPhone is a closed OS where Apple controls all access to any programs for the platform and has to approve of any software made for the device. Recently someone made a tethering app so that you could share your iPhone data connection with your computer and Apple pulled the application off of their store thereby denying all iPhone owners access to the application. Comparing iPhone OS to Windows Mobile is like comparing Xbox 360 to a PC. One is a closed development platform and one is an open development platform. It seems foolish for the development community to support a closed ecosystem at the expense of an open one, but Apple is doing a better job promoting software for their platform and developers will go wherever the money is.

Now I could see myself going to an Android phone at some point in the future since it is an open platform and I use most of Google's online applications already. I think cloud computing makes a lot of sense especially on a mobile device and unfortunately I don't think Windows Mobile OS is being made with cloud computing as a top priority. The T-mobile Sidekick (the precursor to Android) was the first cloud computing device that I ever used and while the applications were limited the promise behind the idea was apparent to me. Apple now calls this concept "MobileMe" but wants to charge $100 a year for what Google does for free and what Danger always did for free on the Sidekick.

Windows Mobile 7 is going to probably take a lot of design cues from the iPhone's UI in that it will be geared more towards finger navigation than stylus navigation with more of a focus on visuals and animation. I doubt that they will provide a good centralized location to purchase new apps from or have much of a focus on cloud computing though. Windows 7 (the follow-up to Vista) is supposed to have a focus on cloud computing, but will WM7? I doubt it.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Black93300ZX:
That's why you get a touch pro, has the touch screen benefit as well as a full keyboard. :)

And you're right, Symbian does a much better job at having less available for use than windows mobile. Amazing quality of no programs.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Black93300ZX:
There's a scroll wheel??? Or are you talking about the touch sensitive ring around the OK button... Cuz I have no scroll wheel. :(
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Nuri58:
I'll add the upgrade of ROM as a big plus as well. With iPhone you connect it to the computer and before flashing the new ROM a total backup of your installed programs is saved and once the new ROM flashed restored on your device. All other manufacturs culd learn from this.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Nuri58:
No clear winner in your mind, so I'm afraid that you'll always regret what you settled for and believe the others were better. I cannot advise you, except whatever you get try to appreciate it.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] programatix:
Reports Of Failing iPhone 3G Reception, Apple Remains Quiet

Chicago (IL) - Many iPhone 3G owners don’t quite experience the twice as fast, half the price cellphone they were promised. Connectivity problems are reported to be impacting the 3G experience, ranging from a weak 3G reception and connectivity, speed declines to EDGE and even dropped calls. Although lots of fingers pointed into AT&Ts direction initially, we are now learning that users in European countries are experiencing similar problems. Some analysts believe that Apple may have programmed the iPhone 3G chipset too conservatively, suggesting that firmware update should fix the issue. However, engineers highlight possible manufacturing problems caused by the substantial manufacturing ramp that reportedly is beyond actual capacity.

A growing number of iPhone 3G users is reporting significant 3G reception and connectivity issues with their handset, such as abruptly dropped calls as well as 3G failures even when the handset is sitting still. These issues are believed to be affecting between 2 and 3% of iPhone traffic, resulting in a 1% rate of dropped calls on AT&T’s network.

More at http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/iPhone-3G-Apple-AT-T,news-28952.html
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Nuri58:
Defenitly the case in Denmark where the provider Telia is cursed by poor 3G coverage. Interesting turn.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] aydc:
QUOTE: "These issues are believed to be affecting between 2 and 3% of iPhone traffic, resulting in a 1% rate of dropped calls on AT&T’s network."

So the rest of the iphone data traffic (97%) is perfect. Sorry guys, but it's a success to me.

I've been a Windows Mobile user all my life, but unless Windows Mobile 7 brings some speed to the table, my next phone will likely be the next version of iPhone or an Android OS phone.

I own a Diamond which is 520 MHz, but it doesn't feel much faster than my old 200 Mhz Elf because Windows Mobile 6 is bogging down the system. It takes more than a second to open the bloody simple Start Menu programs panel, and it takes 3-4 seconds to launch a simple application like ThumbCal. I've used an iPhone and everything opens instantly. Again, I just wish WM7 brings some speed or I'll have to buy that fashion phone...
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Trem:
Hehe. Yes sorry I am referring to the touch sensitive ring around th eok button. I keep forgetting the technical term and have called it a scroll/scrolly wheel from the start. Whatever it's technical term is it's a joy to use to scroll through contacts, or zoom in and out of web pages. :)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] banton56:
I have an iphone and diamond. I find with my Panoshi Rom that it actually opens things a tad faster then my iphone. I prefer browsing way more on my Iphone, but not much else. 3G does not work great and I do get alot of dropped calls. Apple is working on a solution with the chip manufacturer as it's some kind of issue with the chip. They hope to have a fix for the 2.1 release from what I am reading. I still experience alot of keyboard lag on my Iphone even after the 2.01 upgrade, and a reboot solves the problem for awhile, but it always comes back.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] xep624:
re

My priorities are the endless possibilities you have with a windows mobile phone and this great community which teaches me how to see more in my phone.

I do love the Diamond and I can'T find a thing on the iPhone I really like. But: You're right: I have to say thank you to apple because without them, the Diamond would have never been realized.

So: I'll never buy an iPhone but I hope many people will do so that Microsoft and HTC are forced to improve their products.

(sry for my bad english..)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] vnvmprde:
THERE IS NOTHING PERFECT HERE MY FRIEND...I AGREED.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Nuri58:
I'll even add a battery (without the need of a screwdriver. Well the iPhone has pros and cons just like the HTC. And what one prioritises differs from another therefore our different preferences AND presure on manufactors to provide better devices.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Nuri58:
You get through loud and clear! By the way I have the TD not the iPhone and has had WM phones for some years now. As you I like what you can really do with them.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] xdaking:
you cant complain about windows mobile :D
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Nuri58:
Sure we can and just as much as we complain about Vista and XP before that, yet we stick with it as we are happy after all, but don't kill our greatest joy: complaining about MS!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] lesiohormon:
Hi

I buy the diamond in t-mobile after couple hours visiting shops asking for him and answer was the same 'out of stock' but i find it and i have to say is realy good just three things size of the screen (small) no memory card slot and usb connection for headphones (standard headphones are not the best on the market) apart of that i'm happy :-))))))))))

Ps. which rom are you recommended to use IGO 2008 ??
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Nuri58:
You can get a cheep converter cable USB/3.5 mm mini jack so van use any headsetont he marked
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] lesiohormon:
I get it thanks