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[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ChazzMatt:
Thanks! I went looking and found the Gestures in the Note 9 setting to turn on display when picking up. That works for me. I just use it to see the time or quick glance at notifications. That's what I used AOD for on the V30, without unlocking the screen. On the Note 9, to actually turn on and unlock the screen I just use the rear fingerprint sensor, which works quite well.

I double tapped the screen to turn off (lock the device) and the Nova permission request came up. I went to Accessibility and allowed it. It's a little easier than hitting the side power button with my off hand. I still miss the LG V30 rear display off button. Muscle memory from 4 years is so ingrained. I keep hitting the rear fingerprint sensor of the Note 9 and then remember, duh.

I just edited my XDA signature to include the new phone. I really haven't even looked at the Note 9 forum. I did look through the S10+ forum back when I planned to use that phone. But even though I'm on the correct bootloader version, the S10+ "steady partition is passive" -- which happens to some people. Luckily the Note 9 AT&T sent me was easily bootloader unlocked and rooted.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] danbest82:
If you want to use GravityBox, there is an option to set up a fingerprint sensor option.

I haven't tried it myself since I have the on-screen sensor but it may work for you. I use GravityBox for navigation keys customizing.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ldeveraux:
I tried GB again and it was a big old nope! It messed up my phone so bad I couldn't deal with it anymore. Slow downs, weird screen issues, no thanks.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] danbest82:
Hmm. Interesting that it works fine for me. I use LSposed if that makes a different. On my V30, I used EdXposed and it works also.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ldeveraux:
I also used lsposed. Idk maybe i didn't give it enough time to settle
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] danbest82:
I don't really think I gave mine time to settle 🤷🏻‍♂️, and I use SmartPack-Kernel Manager to tweak CPU settings for better battery. Who knows.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] Geekzilla:
Back in the Motorola Droid Turbo days, Sunshine charged $25/phone which I found reasonable and unlocked all my families phones (x4).
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ldeveraux:
I agree, but in today's "everything for free" culture, $150 is a lot!
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] cmrntnnr:
LG's mobile business seems permanently broken in that it hasn't earned a profit in a long time. Their new exec, Brian Leung, has some new shiney objects for sake of dazzle but hasn't addressed their systemic problems. Their mobile division would be sold or closed if it were a US owned company by now. I'd like them to succeed but I can't buy another phone from them given their current policies and offerings in NA where I live. The V30 and V35 have been great hardware but I can't help but feel cheated and I do blame LG for that. [MENTION=3250376]ChazzMatt[/MENTION] has lines in the sand for hadware. There should be some for policy and software, too. A not completely thought out list is:

- Manufacturer supports BL unlock and root.

- Publication of tech documents for the radio interface layer.

- Android version and security updates for five years.

- Transparency on decisions and timing.

It will be interesting to see which phones come closest to delivering while also keeping the nice hardware features of the V-series. Sadly an Apple or Google phone is starting to look appealing.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ldeveraux:
To be fair, you want from LG what many other mobile companies won't provide either! Samsung, etc all keep their devices locked down and their secrets hidden. I know Moto provides unlock instructions, not sure about Huawei, Sony, Asus...
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] schwinn8:
Ditto, I bought 2 licenses for my wife's and my phones as well.

I agree, not many people would pay... but it's also not as few as you think. Heck, we should ask the Sunshine devs how many sales they ended up getting... just out of curiosity!
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] Geekzilla:
I wish they would 'accidentally' and unofficially leak exploits to allow unofficial exploits of bootloaders. That way they can keep to appearance of being in compliance with their US carrier contracts security requirements while selling more phones. I guess us rooters are just too small a market for them to care. I wonder how many additional v30's were sold after the Frankenstein method was released.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] mpicasso:
As much as I loved my V30, I was ready to upgrade if nothing more than for software purposes (was still running Pie, for stability).

Wanted root, which I quickly limited myself SEVERELY, as I was looking for phones that could achieve bootloader unlock AND ship with Android 9, initially.

Considered the V50, and up, but originally because of the sound processing and overall build. New DAC's are incredibly small and therefore actually offer me MORE opportunities to listen to quality music, while on the go!!! Thanks LG, for opening my ears to new worlds of opportunities. Point: DAC processor in phone is not as important, now.

Have had wireless charging before and though a nice feature, it was not a deal-breaker for me. Laptop screen is 4K which is nice but again, for me, a 1080p screen, with proper coloration and brightness, worked well enough for me.

The Pixel was a nice phone with a great camera but development on here seemed to be lacking. S9 had developers building ROM's that I want, one of the best screens, super bright, etc, and should have been top choice. But i ended up going with the OnePlus 7 Pro, 1, because of personal interests - Samsung may have great looking phones but they do not survive much without a hefty case (again, my experience); 2, would have had to buy the Exynos version to get BU, which meant a processor/battery life that was not as good as the Snapdragon, 3, the OnePlus was around $425 when I purchased mine vs being $100+ more for the S9+...and forget about the S10+!!!

Still considering the S9+, to be used as daily, and keep my 7 Pro for tinkering...but seriously doubt that will happen. Besides converting this phone to AOSP, the only other phones I have struggled installing new ROM's on were Samsung. Just my $.02
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ldeveraux:
All this indecisiveness on a new device is why those in the know stick with the stock rooted build on Oreo. Who wants to deal with trying to BL unlock a Samsung? No thanks. :eek:
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] stirlitz99:
Finally, months after creating this topic I moved to... the LG V50.

Bought a brand new one... and as much as I was afraid not being able to to root I'm that satisifed.

I think it was a great decision. I tested an S10+ and even had a thought about the P30 Pro. They both have more RAM, that seem to be more future proof, but I felt to change to the V50, that might be the last true LG flagship.

The S10+ is full of Samsung crap, so I dropped that idea pretty fast. I really do not know what was against the P30 Pro, as my brother has that and is very staisfied with it. Probably the MIL-STD-810 rating... I use it for tracking my trail runs, so it is with me all the time. Durability was a major concern.

It arrived with Pie and I instantly upgraded to the latest Android 10. The system is really free of junk. It is possible to disable all, and I really mean all the unnecessary apps. I rooted the V30 only for this.

My first experience with the V50 after 2 weeks is great. The 6gigs of RAM is enough (I don't play), the battery easily goes through the day (at least 1.5hrs of navigation), even can make 2 days if have no time to play around with it.

Cameras are fine. Quality is OK, but as being a photographer, I have at least an RX100 around if real quality is needed.The zoom camera does not work in manual mode (this is frikkin annoying), video stabilization is major step forward.

All in all it seems to be a great decision... If you thinking about being able to live w/o root... you can. I never thought to be able, but I can.

Will come back later with more experiences.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ldeveraux:
Until you want to adblock with adguard, then you need root. Or backup your apps with TB, you need root. Or have full universal access to the external SD card, you need root. Or notification, wifi keys, full battery access. So lacking root won't work for people who require those things or really just want to have ultimate control over their phone. No offense of course, but that's unacceptable to me.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ldeveraux:
@ChazzMatt Just noticed the weird dual screen G8X is on sale everywhere today.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07ZR2L2CT

According to it's subforum, it's already boot unlockable with TWRP. Here's the GSMArena comparison

https://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=8712&idPhone2=9844#us998,*,*

What do you think? Too weird? Kinda cool?
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] schwinn8:
I'll answer how I think Chazz would - I think he would pass because the screen res is low (1080 vs 1440).

Personally, I am intrigued... interesting device. Don't know if I care about 2 screens (likely going to be poorly supported by Android as a platform, I expect) but even as a single-screen device it checks most of the boxes for me. I would give it a try, and the price isn't awful either. It's not that much of an upgrade though. And I think the comparison website has the cameras mixed up? (32MP for a selfie cam?) I do wonder how good of a camera it is, though...

I would dig deeper in the actual rootability and ROM scene... if there aren't many options, then it may not be worth it. I would want root as well.

To be clear, I don't speak for Chazz... just giving my thoughts and opinions.

I'm wondering where I'll go with the next phone as well... my wife dropped her V30 in the tub the other day and we thought I'd REALLY have to make that decision soon, but the phone survivied just fine, which is great (and what we'd expect, but you never know!) So I'm looking a bit more, but not "in the market" yet. I may end up going Samsung in the next round...
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ChazzMatt:
1) As @schwinn8 pointed out, only 1080p. LG has lowered the screen rez of recent phones so they can sell these dual display gimmick phones -- either with the phone or as an add on accessory. Pairing 1440p with 1080p 2nd display gave bad results for the LG 50, so LG subsequently dumbed down both displays on flagship phones. I've had 1440p on all phones since 2014 and I'm not downgrading, at least on my personal phone. For a relative like my mother, it would be OK.

2) Double check the rooting thing. Are you sure that's for all variants -- even U.S. -- and not just EU (LG official unlock)? I haven't gone to the subforum to see... Did they find an exploit or something?
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ldeveraux:
I don't know, I'm not buying it I'm fine with the two V30's I have. It looks like the unlock/root came withing the last month. I don't watch any video on my phone so I couldn't care less about 1440. This just looked better than the S10
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] tech_infinity:
They found(bought) the firehose for G8x from what I heard and on the subforum they do claim unlocking. The G8x, its a good device for the price on the surface.

Btw LG V70 aka Rainbow launching next year, is bringing back flagship experience to LG like 1440p 120Hz display if leaks are to be believed, might wanna wait and see how that turns out.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] customizedsolutions:
The V30+ is and has been my favorite phone of all time. Sadly, with security updates long gone (and my own restriction that my daily driver phone must be a stock ROM), I must move on. There are too many security vulnerabilities with 8.0, or even 9.x.

I considered an LG G8, but time is running out for that phone to get updates too.

I have an unopened Pixel 4a 5G on my desk. It's the first phone that I'll be sad to unbox. No SD card, no wireless charging, no FM radio, no quad DAC, no tap to wake or sleep (will try Nova Launcher), no weather lock screen overlay. Such a bummer. I went from Nexus phones to the V30+, love this phone, but it's time to say goodbye.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ldeveraux:
Do... Do you not root your phone?
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] customizedsolutions:
Not anymore. I'm done with rooting and roming on my daily driver. Every third party ROM I've ever used on any device has always had problems, no matter how polished, professionally developed, or user testimonial-Ed. After spending a decade messing with ROMS I'm done wondering why I'm not getting all my texts, or why GPS doesn't work, or why the flashlight doesn't turn on, or why auto focus stopped working.

So this is my last ditch effort to save my V30. Can I get security updates with rooting and not roming?
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] schwinn8:
Maybe I'm being intentionally blind to it, but what security vulnerabilities are present on Oreo that can't be prevented by not doing bad things? In other words, if you stick to the known apps, from well regarded sources, what's really possible or exploitable? And what if you install a virus scanner as secondary coverage... then what is left "exposed"?

Sure, there are exploits, but many require access to the phone... so I'm honestly asking what active risks are there that a person should be worried about?

I'm with you, though... I wish we could just patch the specific modules and such via a rooted device. Sure, you may not get all of them, but it can't be that hard? Generally speaking, Windows patches replace DLLs and such, so why can't we do the same on Linux and therefore Android?
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] customizedsolutions:
This is what's most concerning to me, spammers could start wrecking old devices, I'm surprised this hasn't been widely exploited already since that article is a year old.

Also these, yipe that's a lot of "no user input necessary" exploits.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ldeveraux:
With a username like "customizedsolutions" you'd think you'd be more amenable to the options afforded to you! But I absolutely see your point, I gave up on custom roms as well for the same reasons and stick with stock flashable only. Depending on carrier you can get the latest updates for this device yes, and have root. Keep in mind Pie is the latest for the v30. I'm on the stock verizon ROM and rooted with unlocked bl, everything working peachy. The recent text message debacle was Google's fault!
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] customizedsolutions:
My carrier is AT&T. I might try flashing the Verizon VS99630d kdz. That version has had security updates this year.

I wouldn't expect a Verizon ROM'd phone to have any problems on AT&T. Anyone have experience trying that? I've only stuck to US998 variants on this phone in the past two years.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ChazzMatt:
Don't do that. You won't have LTE band 12/17 with Verizon firmware and in spite of the recent update saying it's 2020 security update, Verizon lied and it's still the last 2019 security update.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] customizedsolutions:
Thanks ChazzMatt, you continue to absolutely rule. I had just backed everything up and was getting geared up to flash. You just saved me tons of time.

I'll box up my Pixel 2 for the trade in bucks and commit to the 4a 5G. (Unless I can't stop thinking about my ex, the lovely V30+).

Thanks everyone, it's been a great 2 years. I'm sure our paths will cross again.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] schwinn8:
Excellent, thanks for the references. However, as you noted, this would potentially allow a third party to crash or "kill" your phone, but it sounds like the OS would be corrupted... so I'd expect a KDZ should be able to restore that? Just thinking aloud, of course. That said, I wouldn't want to experience it either, but as it's not happening in the wild, the question is how much of a threat is it really, you know? Again, valid point...

My bigger concern would be the other attacks which don't require intervention and could steal your account. Granted, I have 2FA and that should prevent that from being as much of a problem, but I agree that's not a good risk either. In a sense, I'm "banking" on the 2FA working... which is supposed to be a backup! But, again, as we haven't heard of this happening that much (and I have not seen it happen to my or any of my "contacted" phones)... maybe it's not that much of a risk either.

As others mentioned in the other replies, maybe I should be on the Pie release after all... I don't NEED to be there, but this may be a good idea overall!

Again, it would be nice to see what the modifications are made for the fixes. The CVE website you linked to doesn't seem to indicate if the vulnerability has been resolved or not (ie it only seems to show "all" CVEs... not just "open" ones?)... I would be curious to see how they are fixed, and therefore how someone can "patch" their own rooted system (if at all possible). Maybe I'll look into it in the future... if someone else doesn't first.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] schwinn8:
Did some quick reading on how the CVEs are patched. Most are done from the source code, of course. Since Android is open source, shouldn't we have access to the source (aside from the binaries) from LG? I expect we must... in which case some of the things could be patched accordingly. This website indicates how this might be done: https://thealaskalinuxuser.wordpres...custom-rom-source-code-with-security-updates/

Granted, as that website indicates, it may be a heck of a lot of work to do this... even with only limited scope (they're only doing criticals). I'm no dev, but maybe I'll learn how to do this to some degree?

Still, I wonder why we can't simply "copy-in" compiled code (like a DLL on windows). That might be easier and faster... but I may be over-simplifiying.

Another thought I had (implied or suggested from my reading) is that you could simply replace your kernel with a newer version. Since the kernel is the primary place for such attacks to happen, using a custom kernel might get you "closer" to a patched state, without patching the entire ROM? Again, it's not a full solution, but I figure it's better than nothing, and would let you keep using an otherwise-working ROM?
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ChazzMatt:
I hope so. Especially the 1440p. But recently they've been going with 1080p to be totally compatible with their stupid 2nd display add-on.

By the way, their LG Wing has sold less than 50,000 units in their home country -- even with 50% discounts. No one wants such a "gimmick" phone with mid-tier specs.

LG Sold 50,000 LG Wing Units Only, Far From 2 Million Target
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] tech_infinity:
Yeah paying flagship prices for mid-range specs doesn't make sense to me.

These features might be good for a niche audience but doesn't appeal to the wider audience.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] schwinn8:
Back to the topic at-hand... and since my wife dropped her phone in the water the other day, I started looking into options, just in case. She uses the headphone jack often (I don't use mine ever, really)... beyond that I don't have many big requirements (decent camera, CPU, RAM, and battery, of course). I'd probably prefer to have the root option as well.

That said, I found the Samsung Galaxy S10 series and the LG G8 series (without the dual screens) seem like good matches. Both appear to offer root, etc. Both are about 2 generations newer. I'd lean towards the S10, honestly... it's more popular so there will be more cases, hacking, etc I figure.

The newer S20 loses the headphone jack (so that may be ok for me)... or maybe we get her an adapter of some kind (BT to jack... or a stupid dongle)... S10 is lower cost, of course.

I had an old Galaxy S3 in the past and liked it, so I can't imagine disliking the S10.

Am I missing anything here? If not, I may dig in deeper and find out which model I should be looking for... I'm a research-aholic as you can see!
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] tech_infinity:
S10 is a good choice IF it is the Snapdragon variant.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] schwinn8:
Yes it would be a Snapdragon version... but as I'm reading now, rooting this device isn't trivial. I forgot about Samsung's KNOX system, which has been continually improved and "amplified" (VaultKeeper, as I'm reading now). So if I stick to a non-rooted device, that might work... but rooting sounds awful on the platform so far. Or am I misreading?
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] tech_infinity:
Generally Exynos Samsung have more development (but they don't support volte on custom roms)

Snapdragon variants of Samsung are generally harder to root.

KNOX get tripped as soon as you unlock bootloader.

This is the general info that I know, I haven't looked further because

1) No Snapdragon Samsung phones here

2) Planning to stay with V30 for a long time(as new phones don't don't fulfill needs that V30 can - SD card, Headphone jack(HiFi dack is a big bonus), QHD display, easily rootable)
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] schwinn8:
Thanks for the input... much appreciated. I agree with your list for the most part, which is why I aimed to the S10 as it has most of those things. To detail, it has a 32bit DAC (not sure if it's as good as the V30 one)... but I don't care as I don't use the jack ever. My wife does, but she listens to spoken-word podcasts, so it's not a big deal to her anyway. Most of our streaming is on bluetooth (in the car) which eliminates the DAC anyway.

It has the other items except for the "easily rootable" I guess... but I wonder if that's just because I'm not familiar. There's no wonderful WTF thread to work from there (curse you @ChazzMatt for making it so nice!) and like you said the Exynos adds to the complexity because the threads aren't explicit about that. And there are many more things to learn (CSC, Knox, Vaultkeeper, etc). Kinda makes me wish I could just get a Pixel with the features I want... maybe that's something I need to reconsider as well...

Any opinions/advice on the G8? I figure being LG it may be "as easy" to root? It seems to have similar specs as the S10. I've just been disappointed with LG otherwise, as they don't release updates quickly, have limited exposure/popularity (hence fewer accesories like cases, etc), etc. Maybe that's the best I can hope for...
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] tech_infinity:
I haven't seen any guide as good as ChazzMatt's

You'd have to look for yourself at the method to see if its "easy" for you. But generally unofficial unlock methods + rooting isn't easy on devices these days. The G8 had temp root method or something last time I checked

If you want easy then Oneplus, Motorola are the easiest.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] schwinn8:
I appreciate your efforts, and no apologies needed for a "guide as good as ChazzMatt's"... he's a unicorn!

That said, my issue is that the guides and info I find lacks a lot of detail. As you know, regarding the S10, there are major differences between Exynos and Snapdragon devices, yet many of these threads don't mention which one they apply to. Some posts are clear, but others are very obscure and effectively misleading.

I'm not afraid to do things... I'm very tech savvy and pretty experienced in Linux as well. So, "easy" for me is well beyond a casual user. But I don't want to be a guinea pig either, as I don't have time or experience to dive all the way down to a dev-level of the process.

That said, if you're willing to share posts that you think would apply to an S10 Snapdragon device, I'm more than willing to dig deeper. I'm also happy to try to make guides like ChazzMatt's to help others as best I can...

I will look at OnePlus (that was on my radar as well)... I didn't think Moto was "easy" at all (my work-z3 is not rootable at all, from what I read a while ago)... any other tips are welcome as well!
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] tech_infinity:
I no experience with S10 or any recent Samsung: device so can't help you. You'd have to figure it out yourself :P