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[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] Semantics:
You do know this whole thing is subjective, though, I am sure. There are reviewers who are saying that its the nicest screen they've ever seen, and there are reviewers saying its not as vivid as older phones. Just like you went to the store and told us that the phone isn't as vivid, others have gone to the store and said it's better than the current phones. We'll all know in a week or so. Samsung has a 500mb update out of the box when we get the phones, so maybe that will address what you are seeing. Short of using hardware to really get the truth, anything else is subjective. Also, don't dismiss that you like Lew and his reviews. If he says he's see's something, you might see it too. If he said it was the nicest screen he's ever seen, you'd probably not have doubted it and went and looked at the phones. Those folks definitely influence people. I will be my own judge.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] Mohamad Gahed:
And it might be that they decided to go a little bit apple way and make more natural colors display and camera photos

As some also reported the photos are leaning to more natural colors than previous sammy phones

Also some of us use there phones on natural mode not vivid, i always use my s10 plus on natural most of the time.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] saltdiscus:
Yeah I always put dark mode and blue filter coz vivid mode hurts my eyes.Its nice for few minutes but at long run I want healthy eyes when going to bed.Preordered already and I wish selfie camera had higher pixel on N20u.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] ebmorgan:
I read an article that says the N20U is using a new OLED screen tech that supposedly reduces screen-on usage by 22%...whatever that means (I know what it means. It's rhetorical). Perhaps this new power handling capability is the cause. Or the fact that it's different screen and is calibrated differently?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] oneandroidnut:
My ultra looks ever so slightly less saturated then my note 10+View attachment 5083099
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] VICosPhi:
Can you compare them both on a web page like Google.com to see which shows truer whites? My Note 20 ultra had yellowish tint to it when compared to my Note 10+
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] oneandroidnut:
I don't have another phone on me but everything else looks identical. White is great on both phones. You have photos of yours?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] VICosPhi:
I don't, but it was so bad that I sent mine back for an exchange. Hopefully it was just a defective unit
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] oneandroidnut:
Yeah usually the first batch is the tough ones. I got a good one but probably going to return it ha
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] Semantics:
My screen is every bit as gorgeous as my Note 10+. The problem with these threads is the placebo effect. If someone says there is an issue, you most certainly will find it, whether its really a thing or not. I can start a thread right now saying that my whites look red and people will say mine too!
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] mjmonsada:
Just received my note 20 ultra. Upgraded from a note 9 and can easily tell the my older note 9 has more vivid colors and higher Contrast. Also, went on google home page and compared the white background and the note 9 has truer whites while the note 20 ultra seems off white. :( Hope it can be fixed with a software update.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] paulrgod:
Have this (UK Exynos) right next to my Note 10 Plus 5G and the screen on the 20 Ultra pales in comparison, no placebo effect.. it seems flat and lifeless, uninteresting... almost has a milky appearance, doesnt even seem like an OLED...

I'm so disappointed... with the combination of the poor display, running hot even while doing nothing (causing the screen to dim most of the time) and absolutely shocking battery life.. I think I'm going to return it. Shame, the device (Mystic White) looks absolutely stunning.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] hetal_mp:
I agree, this note 20 ultra screen feels very dull compared to my note 9. Thinking of going back to note 9 and returning this if things don't feel better soon.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] Ricey:
I prefer the more natural colors of my note 20 ultra, but I agree they should increase the "vivid" setting's contrast for people to have choices.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] crispy1805:
Coming from the Note 9, the screen is less vivid/saturated, but I think it's a better looking screen. It just looks more color accurate to me.

Older Samsung Super AMOLED displays had a similar issue, prior to the Note 9. They were more "vivid" when you looked at them, but overall color uniformity was not there.

You can see it when you look at other non-samsung devices that utilize similar technology. It is definitely more preference that the manufacturers decide.

Perception is reality
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] kradcliffe:
OK, just tested next to my Note 8 with the same thing on display and the Note 8 has the edge. It's slightly brighter and better colours.

You would have thought the display would have been far better to the human eye especially the way the reviewers are going on about it but I don't think it's any better than my 3 year old handset.

A bit disappointing really as that's one of the things I had been looking for an improvement in. Battery life sucks too.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] paulrgod:
I'm pretty sure my N20 is faulty.... here are some photos to show (N20U on the right), not great quality but I don't have a good third device to take decent shots...

Brightness seems around 80% that of the N10 plus. Putting into adaptive mode and shining a torch over the sensors drives the brightness up, but still not to the same level the N10 plus can achieve at manual max.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] VICosPhi:
That looks washed out exactly like how my Note 20 ultra looked next to my N10+ except with more yellow tint on my N20
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] paulrgod:
Here are the measurements from Display Mate. They clearly show that in Vivid Mode with manual brightness at max the N20 should be way brighter than the N10 Plus.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] abax4401:
I've got both a 10+ and 20 Ultra right in front of me. Not seeing this "less vivid" screen everyone is complaining about. They are very slightly different in hue (if that's the right word?)? but one isn't really better than the other. If I had to give an edge to one, I'd pick the Ultra, by decimal points. It appears slightly more crisp/sharp, imo.

Edit - doing some more testing and the ultra is definitely brighter. I don't have a good way to take a pic of the screens side by side.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] btmusicman313:
Same here. I put my note 9 and 20 ultra together on max brightness indoors and my note 9 is brighter

---------- Post added at 11:33 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:27 PM ----------

I was very disappointed when I compared my note 9 to my ultra with brightness turned to max for both and my note 9 was brighter, then I turned off adaptive brightness on my ultra and now its not even close anymore I think that was the issue
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] Mohamad Gahed:
While I am not an owner yet but what you are talking about i think is very apparent here

[youtube]3zkYDsgN-Kw[/youtube]

Check minute 1:48
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] abax4401:
That's not at all what my screen looks like. My benchmarks are way better too. [emoji16]

Are the people having these issues using the Exynos variant, or is it all over the board?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] AndroidPurity:
I am glad to see this thread to continue to live on after people have started receiving their phones. When I started this thread at XDA and Android Central many people doubted Lew from Inbox Therapy, and some even still doubted this was real when I posted the pictures from the in store units. I guess some people were in denial?

Even though it is nice to see others validate my experience by posting their own pictures to show other's the difference, unfortunately I instead wish it was just a few bad devices so we could exchange the device for the brightest most vivid Galaxy display that Samsung claims the Note 20 Ultra is.

Every single person in this thread who claims their Note 20 Ultra is brighter or more vivid (or no difference) than their previous Samsung phone has not posted a picture yet.

Anyone who claims their Note 20 Ultra has equal or more bright whites than their Note 10+ or Note 9 or S20/S20+/S20U or S10/S10+, then PLEASE post the pictures to show. Post a picture of the Google home page compared and a 2nd picture that shows the display settings on both.

If at least 2 people can do that, then that would prove those of us with dimmer and less vivid Note 20 Ultra displays likely have a defective unit. So then we know to return it.

However from everything I have seen from professional reviewers, to in store units, to my own person unit, to others posting picture comparison of their units, it all indicates that all Note 20 Ultra displays are this way.

If every Note 20 Ultra displays are less bright, with more grayish white, and less vivid colors, then my guess is that its a hardware issue because when video enhancement is enabled and you open the YouTube App with the Light theme, then the whites are very bright and accurate. So that proves the display is definitely physically capable of doing more accurate pure whites and more vivid colors. Everything I have seen seems to point to a software issue.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] AndroidPurity:
If your screen looks brighter then please post picture compared with another Samsung phone.

It is all over the board so far no one has posted pictures that shows an Note 20 Ultra brighter or equal to any recent previous Samsung phone.

The color on that ROG phone looks really good.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] abax4401:
I don't have any way to take a picture, but I'll see if I can't figure something out.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] AndroidPurity:
Can both of you please post pictures. Those of us who are seeing dimmer less vibrant displays than our previous Samsung phones need to know if its truly just our phones so we know to exchange it for another.

Use a friend's or family member phone to take the picture if you need to. It would be much appreciated.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] AndroidPurity:
Thanks! Maybe use the cell phone of someone you live with. If you don't live with anyone maybe try a laptop Webcam? But that might not come out so well, but maybe worth a try lol.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] PsiPhiDan:
I don't have my Note10+ anymore, but anecdotally this screen seems as bright or brighter. It's almost painful when turned up to full brightness! Definitely cannot imagine anything brighter ever being desired!

Those dim looking pictures... Yeah, definitely not what I'm seeing here at max brightness.

If anything, I wish it was dimmer on low brightness. It's still quite bright, haha.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] Ricey:
When I turn off my adaptive brightness and max out the display it is very bright, at least as bright as my op7pro (which also has a Samsung display).

I do notice that it SEEMS to be brighter on the "vivid" mode than it is on "natural". The "vivid" mode is also more vivid than the op7pro on vivid. Don't have another phone to take a pic of both phones at the same time though.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] paulrgod:
Mine is off back to Samsung today, replacement may take until next week. I'll report back when I have the new device to confirm how that one is.

Note, my decision to replace it was not based entirely on this issue, I've also experienced excessive heat and really poor battery life, less than 2 hours SOT from a full charge, it spent more time on Charge than any other phone I've ever had. Tried a full factory reset but didn't improve things... I really wasn't happy with it.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] AndroidPurity:
If you had it side by side you would be able to tell a difference. The Note 20 Ultra display is definitely bright. No one isn't saying that it's not. Its just a good bit less bright than past Samsung phones when in manual brightness.

I am mostly satisfied with the brightness at 90% manual in most situations indoors. But I shouldn't have to keep a $1300 phone that they claim is the brightest display ever at 90% just to be satisfied with the brightness indoors. But not everyone has a different preference when it comes to brightness and colors.

This display was measured at just a 2 nits at 0% by display mate. Basically Any dimmer you wouldn't be able to see. Unless your 0% on your device is some how more nits than than others.

Even though I'm disappointed with the peak manual brightness being less than other Samsung phones and less than OnePlus phones I have had, my other issue is with the color profile. The colors are less vivid/saturated and the worst part is the whites are more grayish.

I use light themes about half as much as I do dark themes. So having your whites being a light gray just sucks on a $1300 phone. Since you have no current phone to compare with put your phone beside a white sheet of paper while on the Google home page. It's no where near that white. My OnePlus 8 Pro comes pretty close when at 100% brightness.

Yeah the OnePlus 7 Pro does have a dimmer display than the Note 20 Ultra according to Display Mate. So your eyes are telling you the accurate results there.

The OnePlus 8 Pro is brighter than the Note 20 Ultra in manual mode. Plus color calibration is better in my opinion.

Although this Note 20 Ultra display is definitely a better display than the OnePlus 7 Pro display. No doubt about that.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] AndroidPurity:
Major break through of a work around I just discovered to help give extra boost to the brightness and contrast of our displays.

There is a maximum performance setting for power mode that I am sure most of us already know about. However when you select that option it says you have an option to increase the brightness of the display by up to 10%.

I always thought this would just manually increase your brightness slider 10% more. However it does NOT. My brightness slider stayed in the same spot after setting it to maximum performance. I also did notice after the loading bar finished applying maximum performance settings the display did suddenly get a little brightness boost! I did it multiple times to try to make sure my eyes were not playing tricks on themselves.

I recommend anyone disappointed with the brightness and contrast of your display try this in the meantime. Of course this could affect battery life, but hopefully not by much. I actually always ran my S10+ on the maximum performance setting and still got around 6 hours SOT. So if I can still manage over 5 hours of SOT then I am going to start using it after I get an idea for my average SOT while using optimized first.

So far from my first full day looks like I got out about 6.25 hours of SOT with 90% brightness FHD at 120hz. So looks feasible for me to switch to maximum. Still going to test optimized a few more days though.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] qzan7:
This isn't really A deal breaker for me. But you can totally see the difference with this image.

One is my OP7 pro and the other is me note 20 ultra.

The note 20 is far less vivid with less contrast. The op7 shows darker grey with whiter whites.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] unitz0mbie:
I mean you can go into the settings and fix your color balance...
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] qzan7:
you can on the oneplus (custom rom) not on the samsung, only warm and cool settings there.

unless there is something I do not know.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] unitz0mbie:
Um
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] Mohamad Gahed:
I don't know frankly but i don't see it as less vivid

I see it as different representation if colors

The question is who represent the correct colors :confused:
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] qzan7:
This charges red, green, blue light. Won't do anything to contrast or saturation.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] unitz0mbie:
Reducing the amount of red and green light, blue shifts a little more. Helps with contrast.

Varies by screen , try your own settings. I compared them to my IPS monitor that has been calibrated as well
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] AndroidPurity:
Alright I'm reviving this post. I just keep noticing more and more display issues as I use the phone.

This entire post was originally dedicated to the Note 20 Ultra having a less bright and less vivid display than the standard Note 20, and even the Note 10 Plus, Note 9, Note 8, S20/S20+/S20 Ultra, and OnePlus 8 Pro.

However this issue just took a more crazy turn for the worse. Now it has been discovered that some Note 20 Ultra phones have dimmer less vibrant displays than other Note 20 Ultra phones. Thats right 2 of the same phones with different looking displays. This was discovered thanks to Zack at JerryRigEverything YouTube channel when he was testing the 2 different processors.

Check out his video here [YOUTUBE]https://youtu.be/XU52BmNR8q4[/YOUTUBE]

At time stamp 4:05 he says... "You might have also noticed the screen color is a bit different with both phones. I'm pretty sure I have the brightness turned up all the way on each. But it makes you wonder if there are other components that don't match up between the variants as well."

I have also attached a picture to show the difference. My Note 20 Ultra is a US Snapdragon variant and my display looks like the display on the left (Zach's exynos). I also noticed today that adaptive brightness is NOT fully turning off. I thought a few times over the past couple weeks I saw my display suddenly get brighter or dimmer. But I figured it was just my imagination because I always keep the adaptive brightness off.

However I am able to consistently reproduce it. If I put the brightness at 100% with adaptive brightness Off, then open chrome, the phone immediately dims 1 second after. Try it on your phone. Maybe the out of wack adaptive brightness is a separate issue or maybe this could be the culprit to these dimmer less vivid displays. So I wanted to mention it too.

I also was able to reproduce it in another scenario by putting my phone inches away from a bright light in my bathroom while on 100% manual brightness, notice it get brighter without me touching anything, then take it away from the light quickly, then see it dim right in front of my face. Looks like its dropping a solid 20% brightness but the slider doesn't change position.

Please test those 2 scenarios on your phone let everyone know if it happens to you too. Also if someone happens to have 2 Note 20 Ultras or know someone who does, then please compare the displays and post 2 pictures. One showing the 2 displays on the google.com homepage in chrome and 1 showing the display section in settings.

I will be contacting Samsung tomorrow since it has been determined there could likely be other Note 20 Ultra phones with a significantly brighter display. Not something I will accept on a $1300 phone. Regardless whether its caused by them using 2 different types of displays manufactured by different companies, or caused by just "panel lottery of a defective display, its not acceptable and will be likely pushing for an exchange if they can't find a software solution some how.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] qzan7:
What are you going to tell Samsung? "Send me a brighter display?"

The 2 phones are the exynos vs Qualcomm, if you have a Qualcomm you already have the brighter display.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] willstilson:
Mine is a SD and definitely looks like the one in the left in the picture he posted.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] abax4401:
Mine looks like the one on the right. View attachment 5092389
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] Brava27:
I'm not gonna trust some YouTuber.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] WingedCow:
I dont know about you guys, but my note 20 ultra feels bright af comparing to my note 10+ and oneplus 7 pro.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] AndroidPurity:
Exactly, because you likely have 1 of the Note 20 Ultras with a good display.

Okay, thats a strange comment without explain why? But actually you don't have to. If you read the original post there is many other phone reviewers I referenced links to who also report the same display issue, and if you read through this post many consumers also confirm the same thing. But if you don't trust anyone on the internet, then why are you on the internet?

Lol! A screen shot will not show what the display looks like. You have to take a picture comparing it to another phone to show to others. But glad you might have a good one!

Yet another person who confirms their display is dim and not vivid.

Lol! Not exactly. If there's proof my display is less brighter than other Note 20 Ultra displays, then it proves its a defective unit or proves they are using different display hardware without telling people. I'm going out to a couple stores to find 1 with the brighter display to take a picture for them to show mine is dimmer than some other Note 20 Ultras. The warranty on an electronic device is to replace anything that isn't the same as other identical phones that can not be resolved with software. That's considered a defective unit.

Also this video does not prove all qualcomm phones have the brighter display. Even Zack said it was just a 2 phone sample and no definitive conclusion can be drawn from these things without a larger sample size. Anyone who has taken a science class should know you can't draw a definitive conclusion from a 2 sample size of millions. This only proves some are brighter, it doesn't prove which are brighter. Thats a huge assumption you're making that isn't proven.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] abax4401:
If your screen didn't suck, it'd show it perfectly. ;)

My screen is white, not grey like you posted photo.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] WingedCow:
I picked mines up at bestbuy, unlocked version 512GB. My factory installed screen protector was different than the one in JerryRigEverythings video too. Mines has a little hole where the fingerprint scanner is at.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Guides, News, & Discu] willstilson:
That plastic isn't really a dedicated screen protector in the same sense. It's more of a protective plastic layer used during packaging and shipping. Most phones come with some version of this and it is intended to be removed.

In previous years samsung phones actually came with a real screen protector that was meant to stay on. I believe this came when they moved to the ultrasonic fingerprint sensor under the glass, as the thought was that after market screen protectors would interfere with the fingerprint sensor.

The exynos version of the N20U comes with this dedicated screen protector while most of the US SD versions do not.