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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] c0rnholio:
After a day of usage I had no more lags or freezes after reverting back to the original SPL. Wrote several SMS, mail, notes, etc. and it seems stable so far.

Will report back if the problem re-occours.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] :
I think I'll pass the Hyperdragon ROM, since this phone is techncally owned by my company, and I don't want to break the warranty on it from flashing a custom ROM. But please let us know about your experiences with it.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] humbi:
hi folks, me again. i think i solved the problem nearly to 95%

i kaiser works fine with this solution ;)

what i did:

1) JumpSPL1.93-KAIS.zip

2) Kaiser-HardSPL-3.56.zip

3) RUU_Kaiser_HTC_GER_3.28.407.0_radio_sign_25.83.40.02_1.65.16.25_Ship.zip

4) NEON_1.58.25.17.rar

the solution is to flash the rom with the radio 1.58.25.17 from neon! you will find the radio here ;)

hope i works on your kaiser, too :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DarkDvr:
Just tried it - flashing 1.58.25.17 radio made it MUCH worse for me. Touchscreen practically doesn't work at all. =(
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DarkDvr:
I've updated the first post with data I've gathered. I ask you, XDA people, to test some of the possibilities.

Please check with the first post for more info.

Thanks.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Bjd223:
It seems like it has gotten much better, the more applications I uninstall. Very strange.

Here is my comparison to what you have.

1.) Original (really old) HARDSPL versus HARDSPL 3.XX

2.) WM6.0 versus WM6.1 (I don't think I had any problems running original AT&T 6.0 ROM, but I did have sound (radio) problems, so had to flash 6.1)

3.) Having ever installed iGo 8 on the PDA (should be easy to test, please report if you have the problem w/o ever having iGo)

4.) Custom ROM VS Original ROM. Perhaps problem is in the tweaks to the registry.

5.) Simple things like overtime connection weakening in touchscreen connection to the mainboard. Whoever can open a Kaiser could try to replug/clean it and report back to us.

6.) Radio version. Should be easy to test, just need to reflash all kinds of older radios and see if problem persists.

1.) I am running HardSPL (KAIS1*0 MFG, SPL-1.0.OilPof, CPLD-8)

2.) I had no problem with 6.0, and immediately started seeing problems when upgrading to HTC's 6.1 WWE Rom.

3.) I have never installed iGo 8.

4.) I did use Kaiser Tweak, and changed almost every setting to Advised pretty soon after I upgraded.

5.) I do not believe this is my particular problem, as it started happening to 2 tilts immediately after I HardSPL'd and upgraded then to 6.1

6.) I have not tried any other Radio Versions.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DarkDvr:
Thanks, I will update the first post accordingly.

Can you tell me which radio you're using, and which version of HardSPL?

Also, somebody should try installing WM6.0 with SAME program set as they have on 6.1, so that the only difference would be the version of the OS (well, and the radio..). Let us know if that fixes the problem, then we'll know what it is.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] thatruth132:
extra screen for sale

nothing wrong with it at all
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DarkDvr:
Thank you, but it's not a hardware issue as far as we know. It's software, besides, it happens with hardware buttons as well.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Bjd223:
I used "XDA-Developers HTC Kaiser HardSPL CID Unlocker v1.0" to HardSPL the phones. I am not sure what version it is other than what is in my SPL screen (KAIS1*0 MFG, SPL-1.0.OilPof, CPLD-8).

I used the original WWE HTC rom "RUU_Kaiser_HTC_WWE_3.28.405.0_radio_sign_25.83.40.02_1.65.16.25_Ship.zip"

I am going to try to upgrade to a new radio, and see if that helps. I am also going to just go ahead and flash "RUU_Kaiser_HTC_WWE_3.28.405.0_radio_sign_25.83.40.02_1.65.17.56_Ship.zip" and see whast that does.

I have noticed the problem after a hard reset (with 3.28.405.0 / 25.83.40.02 / 1.65.16.25) with NO applications installed. So maybe it is the HardSPL or the ROM itself.

As far as applications, I always install exactly the same applications after a Hard reset.

They are:

Coreplayer 1.2

Finger Friendly Friends

HTC Customizer

Kaiser Tweaks

PCM Keyboard

Beyond Pod

Flash Player 7

MagiKB Lite

Mobile Aim

Keypad Vibrate

Opera 9.5 1660

Tilt Keyboard Fix

Total Commander

Vibra Switch

WM RDP 6.1

WMWIFIRouter - Last freeware version.

All are latest versions unless other wise stated.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Bjd223:
Also some user's were having the same issue in the ROMEOS 4.2 thread.

"I got a small problem, well more then small, some times i cant tap the screen it wont react. ive done hard reset 2 times. and nothing. it seems like it locks up for a few secs.. just put in rom about 1 hour ago." -kingofall00

@kingofall00

"I'm sorry to say but u didnt read my first post carefully.

As i'm really relax at a beach rite now, so i will handle ur report nicely

Try to change ur HardSPL. Mine is 3.29" - hang.tuah

hang is the creator of ROMEOS, so maybe he knows something we don't about WM6.1
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] :
I had the issue before putting HardSPIL 3.56 on my TYTN-II. Interestingly I don't have any of the above applications installed currently, although I did install and uninstall a verison of Opera 9.5. But as you suggest yourself, this issue is likely to be related to something in WM6.1, and not related to a specific 3rd party application.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] :
I had the issue with SPL 3.29 and the 6.1 ROM from www.htc.com. I HardSPL'ed to 3.56, and the problem is still there.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] lifanus:
Flashed back from 3.56 spl (used for newer roms based on and beyound ATT build) and custom roms back to HardSPL 3.29 with original HTC SEA English 3.29 build WM 6.1 and the included radio...

You gotta install correct spl for correct builds (english wm6.1 release is 3.28 build, the southeast asia english release is 3.29 build that's why there are corresponding spls..)

The unresponsiveness is gone, but the performance of original rom is not as fast as cooked ones...

I guess you can't get good of both worlds.

Peace.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DarkDvr:
Well I reflashed my HardSPL back to 3.29 from 3.59 and it became much worse for me. Now touchscreen almost never works.

That makes me think that problem is related to the rleationship of a 6.1 ROM and HardSPL.

FYI, Im running a Hyperdragon ROM.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] :
I got the advice to update the SPL from the ROM forum. A guy suggested that it would help on the unresponsiveness.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] :
I reverted back to 3.29 SPL again. Don't really expect it to change anything, though.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Gozzy69a:
Yo guys I had the same problem, I flashed back to Original HTC SPL which can be found here :

Please rememeber to when you flash SPL to run the SSPL-KAIS.exe on your device, without any SIM or Memory card inserted.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=335568

and The problem seemed to have dissapeared with me, I will confirm in the next day or 2.

Quote from the link Pasted above
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DarkDvr:
Flashing a stock ROM/SPL may fix it.. but it's somewhat of a radical decision. I hope we can come up with the fix for current HardSPL/WM6.1 so we can still enjoy latest software while we can actually use the phone.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Bjd223:
I doubt this is a fix, but I have had great success with no screen lockups, after I installed the "RUU_Kaiser_HTC_WWE_3.28.405.0_radio_sign_25.83.40 .02_1.65.17.56_Ship.zip" rom and NEVER install HTC Home Customizer.

This is a premature accessment, as I have not used this combo for more than one day yet. I have had no lockups in 8 hours. I usually always had lockups when trying to configure email accounts for some reason, however now it seems to be working fine.

If HTC Home Customizer is my problem, that probably means that some kind of software compatability problem exists with some applications and WM6.1 that we don't know about. I really hope this takes care of it for me, this screen lag problem makes me want to smash my face of the corner of my desk.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DarkDvr:
I had this problem w/o having any sign of HTC Home Customizer.. maybe it just has to do with WM6.1 build..

Please report back to us in couple of days and let us know whether its fixed or not.. also what hardspl are u using?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Bjd223:
I am not sure what version it is exactly.

Anyway, if the problem is some sort of subtle compatability issue it may not be just one software that causes it.

I will post back in a few days of solid use.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] veyron3:
Which Hyperdragon are you using???? Link?? I am willing to try it out on mines......I am running ROmeOS 4.21 and I am danm near close to throwing it against the wall!!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DarkDvr:
Hyperdragon is having same problems as ROMEOS. Save yourself a reflash.. it's probably related to SPL/HardSPL
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] :
No don't think so. I had the issue with the stock 3.29 SPL. Flashed to 3.56 and still had til issue. Flashed back to HardSPL 3.29 and still have the issue.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] :
I had the issue with the stock ROM/SPL. Based on that, I'll advice you to not flash back - it probably won't solve it.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DarkDvr:
Are you sure? That's some really bad news.. How consistent was that?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] :
Positive. I've always used stock SPL and ROM. I've had this issue ever since the 6.1 upgrade. The freezing has always been really bad. Out of desperation, I flashed the 3.56 SPL just two weeks ago. To no avail though.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] art12345:
Anybody know which HardSPL is the best for original HTC WM6.1 ROM? I am talking about touchscreen unresponsiveness eliminate.

Before i upgraded original 3.28 SPL to 3.29 HardSPL i had screen freezes. Now i have this issue too but for shorter time but oftens.

Is there any difference between 3.28 original (wchich i had when bought the Kaiser) and 2.38.HARD?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] veyron3:
Danm! Danm! Danm!!! Which WM6.0 is the best?? :(:(:(:(
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Bjd223:
I can say that whatever I did between flashing the newest HTC ROM and not installing HTC Home Customizer. It has fixed my problem.

It must be some kind of software compatibility issue, I can't say what caused it or what fixed it.

I recommend people Hard Resetting and using the device as long as possible without installing anything, and see if you have the problem. If you don't something that you are installing is not compatible with either 6.1 or the ROM, the radio, or maybe even the SPL.

Anyway, I installed http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=416532 Windows Mobile 6.1 Hybrid ROM, and I must say it is pretty good, I HAVE NOT had the slightest hint of the screen issue with this ROM.

Good luck to everyone with this issue.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Gozzy69a:
I'm Using a stock HTC SPL and 3.28 DK Rom.

100% here on my side. I use to have this problem with a different SPL. Flashed back to HTC stock SPL and reflashed my ROM, and everything was 100% :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DarkDvr:
Just wanted to remind people to allow at least 3-4 days to make sure problem isn't there.

I can easily go for about 2 days on a reflash w/o having this issue, only to see it fully return on a third day or so.

Anyway.. just tried 3.29 HardSPL + DiamondMedia 1.7 ROM = got problem right away, didnt even get a chance to install anything.

I did hard-reset at the screen alignment screen.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DarkDvr:
Stock 3.29 SPL? That's HardSPL 3.29, isn't it?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DarkDvr:
Well, that's it I guess.

Flashed stock HTC 6.0 ROM, then flashed stock HTC SPL.. problem's there. In desperation, flashed AT&T updated SPL - problem still there.

I guess at this point nothing can fix it, since I'm running an HTC 6.0 ROM and my touchscreen still doesn't respond half of the time.

Will be calling AT&T about warranty return..
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] veyron3:
Would it have made a difference if you first flashed the stock SPL then the Stock HTC 6.0 ROM???
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] computronjunior:
May be stupid but...

Have you tried emptying your temp and cache files?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DarkDvr:
I can't use stock SPL to reflash anything, I have to use some sort of HardSPL to do that.

Correct me if Im wrong
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] lusta1988:
dark, my suggestion is not to waste another precious minute on that semi brick. as u can see many have experienced light unresnsiveness here and there, but they all managed to fix it somehow. i guess yours just had enough of flashing and is slowly dieing ;)waranty is the best choice probably, and if u can replace it with another type (lets say touch pro for ex) in a near future, that should be even better(i personally will).i wish u the bestest luck with your phone. kind regards
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DarkDvr:
Thanks for your kind words.. wish more people would use your tone of voice in forums.

Called AT&T today, they're sending me a Refub. Tilt for replacement (for free). I guess for that one I'll just stick to stock ROM/Radio unless I hit some major problems. And as soon as Touch Pro comes out, I'll be all over it.

Oh well, it was fun while it lasted
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DarkDvr:
Hard Reset and reflash takes care of that
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] :
Well be "Stock 3.29 SPL" I mean the SPL the phone was born with or the SPL that was most loaded by the HTC official upgrade to WM6.1
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DarkDvr:
Well, doesn't matter really at this point.. I tried HTC ROM with HTC SPL, and I tried AT&T original with original AT&T SPL and radio.

No luck. Ladies and gentlemen, it's a brick.

Waiting for replacement at this point.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] lusta1988:
Thank you. Your words also have much kindness, and I sensed that you were struggling to make it work as it happened to me too with other stuff and I know how it feels when nothing seems to fix it, especially when your work depends on it. Glad to hear your ok with the refub. whish u good. PS: It's going to be very hard not to flash the new thing...especially when official roms are so sluggish, full of trash, and lack useful stuff. Cheers
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] BusterTyTN:
Well in my case I was tired of the slow GPS fix and the inability to handle german umlauts, and not at least I was curious whether the GPS related "excessive current consumption" issue went away. Downloaded HTC's

HTC_GER_3.28.407.0_radio_sign_25.83.40.02_1.65.17.56_Ship. Previous ROM was a WWE 6.1 by Dutty. I reinstalled some of the previous apps, no changes to the setup otherwise. Now, sometimes the buttons / touchscreen / scrollwheel lags just in the way it is described here.

In addition, when switching the phone or WLAN on or off through BatteryStatus (now dubbed "HomeScreen PlusPlus"), I saw "shell32.exe" crash every so often so I disabled it altogether. Does not seem to be related to the touchscreen problem, though.

On the other hand, GPS fix is lightning fast compared to what I had to endure before, among some other goodies. Don't have an answer on the GPS current consumption yet, but will check then update the related post.

What really pisses me off is this poor performance by HTC. I can't express how much of a rage I am in. I wouldn't even be surprised if they really built something in to annoy the people who play a bit with ROMs just because their stuff is so crappy, taken off the shelf. HTC, better do something useful to keep your customers happy. Not vice versa.

Buster
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DarkDvr:
Well, my conclusion from all of this is that Tilt has a limited number of reflashes... probably HardSPL ones, actually, since SPL deals with touchscreen responsiveness (correct me if I'm wrong).

I'm not saying its a fixed number, just reflashes will eventually set something stupid on the Kaiser's firmware/SPL and touchscreen will stop working properly. You cannot repair that from regular means (reflashing SPLs/ROMs won't help).

Mine got replaced by warrantly, and I reflashed it one time to get WM6.1 with a good radio.. I'm not planning on doing any more reflashes though.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Foxhunter123:
The best trick I've found regarding the screen's lack of responsiveness is to simply remove the screenprotector... ;-)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] BusterTyTN:
I don't believe in this, I am rather sure nothing is wrong with the hardware. I have reflashed my device only twice. Last evening I found that the effect disappeared after switching the phone off (airplane mode). As soon as I enter the CommManager the button delay comes back. I also think I saw the "connmgr" (not the CommManager) ate up a bit processor resources whenever this funny delay popped up. Still playing around. I bet the answers are out there....

Buster
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] br4nd0nh347:
i hope that's not the answer too
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Milmirex:
One more to the club.

My Tilt has Touchscreen fail after 3rd flash, last flash i use was ROMeOS 6.1 (the september 06 version, i think) and the problem starts. Then, believing is the ROM, go back to Jcespi's spanish (i`m mexican) and the problem persist. Right now i change the touchpad and nothing fixes this. I have no warranty anymore and it looks like i have to sell the phone for pieces. There is a reason for this fail or is random fail?

I'm quite sure, i have to buy a new phone, isnt it???

Thanks in advance for your comments.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] BusterTyTN:
Take it for granted, this is a software issue, NOT a bricked device. Inadvertently, or on purpose. Worth trying to find out, at least. Nothing much to add to my last post at the moment, except that the new ROMs do not change anything with respect to the GPS "standby current consumption problem".

Buster
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] br4nd0nh347:
Hmm I found this on a page in these forums

to fix unresponsiveness you should change the pagepool to 16mb?

here

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=295932

though I'm having trouble finding the file
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] random_design:
Same here

I'm having the same problem.

Tried to fix it but still have the delays.

Anyone found anything out yet?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Dany72:
This is mi experience :

With the original Rom RUU_Kaiser_HTC_ITA_3.29.408.0_radio_sign_25.83.40.02_1.65.17.56_Ship i haven't problem until end of august when try to cooking a new rom from XDA.

I start to have freeze problem.

I try more SPL Hard (3.07,3.28,3.29,3.56) and official 3.29. With all i have same problem.

I try to reflash original rom but i start to have same problem.

Now i think that Hard SPL modify something that start the freeze.

I think that the phone is not broken because i have problem with cooked rom until today.

But i see that if i keep hard 3.29 for few day the phone become stable with time.

Excuse for my bad english

I traslate with google talk service
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Gozzy69a:
I dont mean to blame anyone but, Mine seems fine untill I install MY Mobiler, everyone here running mobiler?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] crl0901:
Yeah, I use Mobiler all the time on my Vista machine. Great program.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Milmirex:
Today, after sending my phone to HTC service, they tell me this: the no response from touch is a motherboard failure, so they have to change it, for 180 usd, poor me, isn't it?

Since there are no solution yet, i will pay for the brand new mobo :(

Good Luck with your kaiser's.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] surfdodger:
Touchscreen Lag

I had the same problem with the touchscreen lag, until just now. I haven't found the solution, but I think I found the cause.

Try taking out your memory card and see what happens.

At first I thought it was S2U2 because it tended to happen right after the phone was asleep, and slowly got better. Probably due to some caching now that I think about it. But I changed radios 4 times, and tried 3 different ROMs, and nothing worked.

So I just ordered a new memory card, Class 4 instead of Class 2, and I'm going to see if that fixes it when the card is in. It only recently started happening, and I no longer install any apps to the card, so it surprised me that this made a difference. But all my pics and music are on the card, so I'm assuming that Touchflo is accessing the card?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] stuartf:
Tilt freeze

I have a bone stock Tilt, WM 6.1 with NOTHING added to the factory setup. I started having a non-responsive screen a week ago. I just replaced my screen saver after cleaning the screen. No memory card installed

This seems to have improved things but not eliminated them

stuartf
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Kraize:
Hmm. This does seem an issue in the new roms. I've had the same problem for a week or so now and I thought it was just me.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] zacros:
Well, i seem to be getting somewhere with my phone... I upgraded to 6.1 and then gradually the screen stopped responding to my taps or presses. I finally made the decision to trash it and buy a new phone that actually works.

Having made that decision, I thought I may as well open up the phone and clean it - I mean, what's the worst that would happen?. Took every last piece of it apart to get to the screen...huge amounts of dust and fluff built up underneath the screen bezel... Cleaned it off, put it all back together again (with no spare screws too! ;)). Now the touchscreen works almost perfectly again. Next step is to remove the slightly dirty and damaged screen protector and replace it with a new one once it arrives. Will let you know how it goes.

It makes sense that it could possibly be a build up of dust and grime under the bezel. It would be pressing on the touch screen, thus preventing another signal / screen tap being received when you lightly tap it. You have to press down on it for a few seconds to get it to register...pressing down relieves the pressure on the touch membrane, thus registering your new tap.

Possibly...Will let you all know how I go.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mbshaw77:
I've been having this same issue since upgrading to WM6.1 about two weeks ago. There's a little more to my story though.

I upgraded my 8925 two weeks ago and almost as soon as I did the screen responsiveness quickly deteriorated. I took a flight from Anchorage to Seattle and when I turned my phone back on it wouldn't connect to the network. (This is the other part of a longer story.) But long story short...AT&T sent me a replacement phone to solve the connectivity issue.

I was really thinking that the replacement 8925 would have better screen responsiveness...it doesn't. I'm a bit annoyed and about to send this one back to AT&T and ask for a WM5 version.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] maxxis:
had same issue after reflashing on Dutty`s rom. tryed to replace different roms - haven`t helped at all. after that i just dissasembled the kaiser and put few paper pieces under the screen ( 2-5 pieces like a hamburger) then put it all together and now it works fine. i know and can`t explain how it can be devoted to rom upgrading but only hardware tunning helped - no software actions couldn`t solve it - paper does.