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[LG V30 Questions & Answers] tech_infinity:
sony xperia 1 ii or sony xperia 5 ii would be a great upgrade.

But the availability is an issue.

Its not available in all regions. Importing is an option but that would have compatibility issues with regards to Volte, Vowifi and 5G.

Importing would also significantly increase the price.

But if it is available in your region or you can import it at a reasonable price, then go for it.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ldeveraux:
Did you even read the past few pages about the V50? It's not abandoned, root/unlock was just achieved a month ago. You're so set on the Sony that you're not even reading any other info, especially that even a used Xperia 1 II is twice the price of the V50, and you can't easily obtain the Xperia 5 II in the US. So go ahead and buy your overpriced phone, nobody's stopping you. Just stop distorting the facts to fit your narrative.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] cmrntnnr:
It is great that unlock was finally achieved on the V50. That is approximately 18 months after release. I hope the developer scene, if it is active sustains.

The complaints I lodged against LG apply to the V50. A year an a half is an eternity for LG. It is unlikely that the V50 will see A11 and if it does then Korean models only. Any AOSP roms will be missing VoLTE capability unless a miracle happens and IMS is cracked. In that regard, LG has abandoned the phone. I don't want to relive that aspect of the V30 again. Furthermore, the V50 isn't much of a step up from a V30S. Same ram, same memory, and a now outdated cpu.

The Xperia 1 III, if it is like the other models, will be bootloader unlock and root capable without need for exploits. Devs can work on mods and roms, and roms will work without hurculean efforts to trudge through LG obsucations.

Yes, the Sony is more expensive but it is a more capable phone and one that is better supported. Price is an issue. I'd rather save my pennies and give my money to a company that treats its flagship as such and returns loyalty to its customers. That will let me use the phone for 3 to 5 years after which I will have saved money for a new model with significant improvements.

In terms of availability. No problems getting them on bhphoto or lightly used from swappa.

By all those criteria, the Sony is a better phone and a better "place" to go than a V50 or any LG model.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ldeveraux:
Look, you're clearly not understanding anything here.

We've already mentioned how your nebulous term "updates" don't matter when you root yet you continue to claim LG doesn't update often enough.

You're the only one with the V30S, yet you keep comparing it. The OP was and still is replacing the V30+, not the V30S. If you can't see an upgrade here, get your eyes checked:

https://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?&idPhone2=9607&idPhone1=8712

Now you're talking about the Xperia 1 III which isn't released, has no tentative date, and will likely cost well over $1000.

Not sure which device (you keep mentioning different devices) you say there is "no problem getting them", but the Xperia 1 II is $1200 on B&H and there is a single device available on Swappa for a measly $787.

A phone that costs 4x as much as the phone we're replacing is not a viable replacement. To claim it is is completely disingenuous. To also claim the V50, which is maybe 1.5x the cost, is not the right move is also flat out poor advice for most people. Again, we understand you're obviously determined to get one of those grossly overpriced Sonys, but that's you. You were also the one considering an iPhone so we have to take your advice for what it is at this point...
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] cmrntnnr:
I think we just have different priorities and criteria about where to go.

You advocate for the V50. I've openly presented facts about LG and their phones.

I've highlighted an upcoming alternative about "Where to go", admitted it will be more expensive and shown where it can be purchased.

You seem focused on price. Sure cheaper is better. That said, I think it would be foolish to spend 250 or so USD on an outdated phone that likely won't see A11 and won't get full radio suppport on LOS roms.

I understand perfectly, options matter. Who's to say I'm the only one with a V30S? Who's to say I am the only one who'll buy a Sony? Who's to say I'm the only one that cares about stock rom updates? Everyone should have a chance to see them and make their own criteria for a decision. That is the spirit of these forums. Just becuase you don't agree with someone else's point does not mean that they do not understand English or your point of view. They just have a different view. As the English saying goes - "Suck it up buttercup".
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ldeveraux:
OK have fun paying $800 so you can get a few more updates!
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] tech_infinity:
Asus ROG Phone 5 Audio review: An excellent choice for nearly any use case

The Asus ROG Phone 5 delivers the best audio performance we've tested so far, with consistent results and category-leading sub-scores in playback and recording,

www.dxomark.com

this states that the upcoming Asus ROG 5 will have a 3.5mm headphone jack with ESS DAC
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] schwinn8:
@cmrntnnr Maybe this would interest you towards the S10: https://www.engadget.com/samsung-four-years-security-updates-152303907.html

Again, I don't think these updates are that critical - yes I'd love to see security updates for longer, but how many actual attacks have happened due to an exposed security issue? Sure, if someone has your phone then they can more-easily access the data... but I haven't heard of any where the phone was compromised over the internet (other than malware attacks, which happen regardless of security updates).

Still, it's always good to see that they are pushing them out longer...
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ldeveraux:
Since the V50 and the G8 are both unlocked with the same procedure, what's the difference between them? G8 seems to have a smaller screen, smaller battery, and is lighter, but is that it?

Compare LG V50 ThinQ 5G vs. LG G8 ThinQ - GSMArena.com

www.gsmarena.com
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] anubus45:
I saw this as well, and I'm curious what people think of this as a potential upgrade path.

Obviously we don't know full details yet, but if they have a 3.5mm headphone jack and no notch or hole in the display, it will be a strong start. I know that the dual front facing speakers would also be a nice to have -- that was one of the things I gave up when I moved to the V30.

I'm less sure what the development community around the Asus phones tends to be like though, as BL unlock and root at a minimum are other hard lines in the sand for me.

Can't say I love the ROG aesthetic on a phone, but if it has all of the above, and maybe some nice to haves (LOS support, expandable storage, and camera quality at least on-par with the V30), I may strongly consider finally upgrading.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] tech_infinity:
Asus sent ROG3 to a few devs to support development.

Development is decent Okay-ish on Asus phones afaik

Many Apps are starting to refuse to work on unlocked bootloader even with Magisk, so I probably won't be rooting the next phone I buy, so development isn't a priority for me.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ChazzMatt:
Here in the U.S. we also have to be concerned with VoLTE requirements for non-carrier variants when HSPA disappears. AT&T in February 2022, so I have a year. If I change phones by then, I need to keep that in mind. I'm not sure the Asus ROG would be eligible for AT&T VoLTE.

My V30+ says VoLTE is enabled in the Hidden Menu, but I still drop down to HSPA when phone calls are made. So, maybe something AT&T needs to do on their end. Again, I have a year, so I can find time to go to the store later.

If I got the Samsung Galaxy S10+, it would be the

AT&T variant, but network unlocked by dealer.

That one above is new in box (allegedly), but there's also

refurbs available.

"New" gets you more choice of storage and colors.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] tech_infinity:
S10+ is a good phone, but I feel the cut out looks uglier compared to S10 (because it is bigger on plus variant for dual cameras)
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ldeveraux:
That G8/V50 rooting thread is an absolute disaster right now. The OP never replies to the thread and people are bricking left and right. Yikes, sticking with the V30 for now!
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] Lenster45:
Finally bit the bullet and gat a V50. I looked at the S20 but no SDCard. I looked at the V60 but too big.

My V30 had lines on the screen and bad battery life. So living without root seems a good tradeoff.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ChazzMatt:
The LG V70 could be on indefinite hold

Report: The LG V60 successor could be on indefinite hold

LG and carrier partners have reportedly decided against field testing the V60 successor dubbed Rainbow, pointing to an indefinite delay.

www.androidauthority.com

Code named "Rainbow". The article has a poll whether you would be interested in the LG V70 if ever released. Yet they give almost no specs.

Did LG come back to their senses and offer 1440p single screen, instead of the 1080p dual screen (even winged screen) nonsense? Does it still have headset jack with quad DAC?

Has a stylus? I'm not interested in a stylus.

At least it would have top tier Snapdragon 888 chipset instead of mid-tier Snapdragon 7xx.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] schwinn8:
Where to go? Another post saying LG may be leaving the mobile market... and dropping us users completely:

It's Looking Very Grim for LG Mobile

LG’s mobile business is in a bad spot. Initially, it was reported that due to continuous quarterly loss after loss, LG would look to sell off its mobile business. However, negotiations between LG and Germany’s Volkswagen AG, as well as Vietnam’s Vingroup JSC haven’t panned out. For LG... #LG

www.droid-life.com

Makes me reconsider the S10 again...
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ChazzMatt:
Nobody wants to buy LG's phone business

Because, you know, nobody wanted to buy its phones

www.androidpolice.com

Similar story. I commented in the reader comment section:

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I still have a 2017 LG V30+, the best phone LG ever made. No notch, 6" 1440p OLED, quad DAC. Make MORE like that! But this time with UPDATES.

No one wants stupid "winged" phones, "rollable" display phones, dual display phones. Stop pushing out mid-tier Snapdragon 7xx phones with 1080p, while still trying to claim they are flagship.

Give the U.S. versions official LG bootloader unlock back, which you took away just as the 2017 U.S. Open market LG V30 were being released...

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[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ChazzMatt:
NEW official date to shut down Verizon CDMA:

Verizon will shut down its 3G network at the end of 2022

The new date is officially Dec. 31, 2022.

https://www.cnet.com/news/verizon-will-shut-down-its-3g-network-at-the-end-of-2022/

"We will turn off the last of the 3G CDMA network on Dec. 31, 2022, months after our competitors have shut off their networks completely," says Mike Haberman, Verizon's vice president of network engineering. He says that this new date "will not be extended again," adding that the company is "communicating this again now in order to provide customers plenty of time to complete their migration."
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ldeveraux:
4G has been around for nearly a decade now. It's time to let 3G die...
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] schwinn8:
If the coverage of 4G was as good as 3G, I'd agree... but to this day, I can drive in parts of NY and VT where there is no 4G but there is 4-5 bars of 3G. If they will convert these towers to 4G (why haven't they already?) then great, but if they haven't done it yet, then I question if they ever will.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ChazzMatt:
I agree, but the issue is VoLTE for people who use LOS-based ROMs. IF you don't have VoLTE capability, the phone calls drop down temporarily to 3G (either HSPA or CDMA) for the duration of the call. With HSPA you even still get data. Then when call finishes it goes back to LTE.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ldeveraux:
No, I know, that's why I haven't used LOS ROMs in years. There are many reasons really, but this is the icing on the cake. Modified stock for me!
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] tech_infinity:
Are any of you considering getting one last LG while there's still stock?

Software updates will probably be dead outside Korea but prices may fall making it a good deal.

Just this morning I was reading about LG's demise becoming official , at that very moment, my v30 display finally got messed up( I'd already cracked it but it worked fine for a few months). Now it randomly stops displaying or throws random colors making it unfit for daily use 😅.

Now I'm not sure which phone to buy next, most phones are filled with ads, bloatware or lack SD card and headphone jack.

Only LG Velvet, Wing and G8x sell here in India for now. Might get G8x as it has a Hifi DAC and SD card if the price drops but lack of software and customer support is troubling.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ChazzMatt:
I just bought my mother an 2018 64GB AT&T V35 ($138) off eBay as AT&T Prepaid is sending her and my wife "3G Shutdown" text messages stating their "phone" (native Open Market US998 V30 from B&H Photo) will not work on AT&T after next February 2022. :rolleyes: It must mean they are reserving VoLTE for AT&T branded phones on AT&T Prepaid service.

However, they also said starting April 12 (next week) they MAY route your outgoing calls FIRST to AT&T Customer Service -- so someone can explain to you from a script how AT&T is greedy and stupid. And of course they want to sell you a new Samsung phone for $1100 or whatever. My 90-year old mother doesn't understand any of this and I don't want AT&T Customer Service to hassle her for the next 10 months every time she makes a phone call.

I already have a like-new 64GB AT&T V35 in a box for my wife -- but problem with it is it has non-AT&T firmware on it (from previous owner). It probably needs AT&T firmware for the VoLTE on AT&T Prepaid. Or if they only check IMEI (which is AT&T V35) and my wife starts using it, maybe the nag messages will go away and I can decide what to buy her by next February. Or maybe I can send it back to LG Service Center and they can put AT&T firmware back on for low price?

I have NOT received any such 3G Shutdown messages myself on my native Open Market US998 V30+, but I have AT&T Postpaid. Also I'm rooted and have VoLTE flag enabled through the Shortcuts. I don't think it works, as it may not be enabled on AT&T's side, but nevertheless they are not hassling me to change phones.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ldeveraux:
Reason #8948473 to switch from AT&T
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] schwinn8:
LG promises three years of Android updates despite exiting phone business

We’ll believe it when we see it

www.theverge.com

Yeah, that sounds about right...
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ChazzMatt:
If they had given that in the first place, they wouldn't be having to exit the business... :rolleyes:

Hardware was excellent, firmware updates were infrequent.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] cmrntnnr:
It's official, let the drooling begin.

Sony's Xperia 1 III and Xperia 5 III have 120Hz displays, periscope cameras, and 3.5mm audio jacks

Sony has just launched the Xperia 1 III and Xperia 5 III flagship lineup. Both phones feature a 120Hz display, Snapdragon 888 and more.

www.xda-developers.com
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] schwinn8:
Personally I would aim more towards the smaller one, the Xperia 5 III (WTF is up with the naming here?!) and even then I'm not sure I would be interested, certainly not at "new" prices... I expect this would be around a $1000 or higher phone, because it looks like they're just trying to shove any spec they can into it.

I don't care about the higher speed camera or display. The sound is nice, but honestly with headphones, who cares about the speakers? As for the DAC, I may in the minority, but I do most of my music over BT anyway, so the DAC is not a factor. When I played with the DAC on my V30, I really don't notice much difference (yes it's louder and has different equalization, which I can do with an EQ... but is it "better"? Not to my ears. Granted, others may hear a difference, I simply don't, and neither does my wife.) So those upgrades are lost to me.

I compared it to the relatively old Galaxy S10, for example... the Sony has a larger battery, faster CPU, and that seems to be about it? Everything else seem to be similar or even worse spec? Again, even at $1k, I'd be happier in the S10 as I'm not seeing much more here to look at, and the S10 would be less than half that price...

I guess I'm just not seeing any useful upgrade to the 5-III...
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] danbest82:
I'm sure they will be up there in price as the part ii versions of xperia 1 and 5 are still selling for $700-800ish used. It's crazy.

As for the S10, I started looking at them, you have to purchase the unlock, which I suppose isn't terrible depending on the price. Have you looked into it?

Edited for spelling and grammer
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] danbest82:
So, I took the plunge and bought a Samsung Galaxy s10+. The phone has a great screen, CPU power, RAM and battery seems good. There is a camera cut-out but it's pretty easy to ignore being kinda built into the status bar. BL Unlock costs money but the process is very easy with Odin software. With the same Odin you can flash carrier firmware over another carrier. I bought a Verizon version but can flash AT&T if I wanted to. The model number for ALL carrier "locked" is G975U. The carrier part comes as a separate "user data" file during flash. The carrier unlocked models are 975U1. Far as I know you can flash locked and unlocked interchangeably if you didn't want carrier bloat. Overall I'm very happy with it and feel it's worth looking at. I couldn't justify spending $600+ used on a Sony when I could get the s10+ for $450 new open box, which I'm hoping is actually new it looks it. I know the cost is minimal when that high in price but to each their own. Just my opinion, take it or leave it.

This had been a great LG community and I'll continue to monitor a few threads to see if I can help in anyway. Thanks for all the great help over the years.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] gimpy1:
Well, I’ve started seriously looking for a phone. Even though I want to root, I’m pretty sure that’s out of the question unless something unexpected comes along such as the wtf happening which I’m not expecting. Like everyone else, I am limited on my selection of phones available to me because I am a Verizon customer. In addition, my plan limits me even further. The two most available manufacturers available to me are, you guessed it, Apple and Samsung, neither of which I particularly want (maybe a Samsung).

The ones that I have looked at on their website that interest me are (no order):

1: Pixel 5–$349.99

2: Motorola Edge + —$499.99

3: One Plus 8–$399.99

4: Motorola Razr—$549.99

5: Nokia 8v 5G uw—$349.99

I’ve also looked at the Samsung s21 ($319.99) and s21+ ($549.99).

The only LG they offer is the Velvet, which I’m not particularly interested in, either.

The Pixel and Nokia are about as high as I think I could go in price (I might could talk myself and wife into going a little higher?). Of these two, the Nokia perks my interest the most. But, there are a couple of bad reviews😒. Because of the pricing the One Plus would be my next choice. My first choice would probably be the Edge +, if not for the cost.

After reading all 7 pages, unfortunately Verizon does not offer a Sony phone.

Any suggestions or thoughts on any of these 3 phones?

So, I guess my thoughts would be which one is considered superior?

thx, for any help or insight
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ldeveraux:
Pixel has no SD. Motorola still makes phones? No Galaxy S10? you sure you thought this through? :ROFLMAO:
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] gimpy1:
As I said, with the Verizon plan I am on, the s10 is not offered, only the s10e. There are several s20's, but they are getting out of my price range.

I am aware that the Pixel 5 does not have an SD card (my son has that phone), but again, my choices are rather limited. I was kinda wanting a high mid tier to high end newer phone.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ldeveraux:
That's why you don't buy phones from the carrier! I bought a "renewed" Verizon S10 off Amazon less than a month ago for under $300. It's down to $250 now, looks brand new. Don't let your carrier dictate which phone you can use.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] tech_infinity:
Nokia 8v 5G uw is good for the price. But Nokia phones most of the time don't have an unlockable bootloader. Also the Verizon variant of the nokia phone has less software support compared to other nokia phones.

I would get the Pixel 5 if you don't care about the SD card and 3.5mm headphone jack(nokia has both).

I heard TCL launched some good mid range phones, you can see if any are available.

Stay away from Motorola Razr
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] gimpy1:
Thx, tech _infinity, after your post, I have read a couple of reviews on the tcl. For whatever reason I completely overlooked/ignored it on the Verizon website. It is included as a phone upgrade in my plan. I have added it to my short list. As far as Nokia having an unlockable bootlloader, that is not really too much of a concern right now (I would like to be able to root, but….) as Verizon pretty much locked it all down.

Are you in India? I am in the US, but don’t really like the really “high end” phone manufacturers normally available here, especially pricing.

Would you know the difference between this phone at $180.00 (my Verizon price) and a high end Motorola (Edge +) or an iPhone 12 or Samsung 21 that is much higher in price?

The Verizon phone has only 6 gb ram vs 8 gb shown on TCL’s site.

Thx
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] tech_infinity:
Yes. I'm in India. I didn't exactly understand your question.

TCL isn't available here.

But all the other phones you mentioned are 1.5 to 2 times more expensive here.

Pixel 5 isn't available here but the Pixel 4a costs around 400$ right now.

On a side note, My V30 display was cracked and got discolored so I ended up settling for Poco X3 pro (Poco is basically a sub brand of Xiaomi). I was also considering S20 FE but it lacked a headphone jack and was priced much higher than it should have been after a year of launch.

My requirements were Headphone jack, SD card slot, stereo speakers, a performance focussed processor and a good amoled display.

Most phones lack headphone jack, sd card or both.

I had to compromise with the display and go for IPS LCD with Poco. Unfortunately, the display on Poco is poor even by IPS standards. The phone is huge and has poor weight distribution, It weights 215 g (7.58 oz).

The biggest problem was MIUI, it is buggy, poorly optimized and gets in the way a lot while performing even the basic tasks.

On the bright side for the price of 250$ or so I have good performance (Snapdragon 860, UFS 3.1, 6GB ram), SD card, headphone jack, great battery life (5160mah), 120Hz refresh rate, stereo speakers, 33 Watt fast charging. Also, the development for Xiaomi and Poco phones is crazy good.

I will probably switch devices after a year as the display is average and MIUI is annoying but not sure which device as LG is dead and most of the phone either lack SD card or headphone jack which is stupid.

Sony left the market a few years back and tbh I can't spend 1200-1300$ doesn't on a phone.