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[LG V30 Questions & Answers] tech_infinity:
There's also no wireless charging on that one afaik

I heard samsung was considering bringing back headphone jack with next S series phone, let's see how that goes
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ChazzMatt:
Like the 2019 Galaxy S10 (6.1")/S10+ (6.4") -- both of which have QHD 1440p, Qi wireless charging, IP68 and headset jack. Plus stereo speakers. The S10+ has a 4100 mAh battery.

https://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=9535&idPhone2=9536&idPhone3=9607

If Samsung adds headset jack back for 2021 and later, I'll be OK.

Qi wireless charging, QHD 1440p, even headset jack are "lines in the sand" for me I will not cross (do without). My 2014 Moto Quark (Droid Turbo/Moto Maxx/Moto Turbo) had all three. When I found the V30 in 2017 during a year long search to replace my phone, those were the attributes a new phone for me and my wife needed.

At the time only Samsung and LG were still doing Qi wireless charging. Even Google had given it up, even though they pioneered it with their Nexus phones (20012 Nexus 4, 2013 Nexus 5, 2014 Nexus 6). But then Apple started doing Qi wireless charging and Google then added it back because their Pixel team worships Apple. :rolleyes: If Google had kept it the whole time, they would have gotten credit for being the trend setter.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] tech_infinity:
Yeah Snapdragon S10 is still a good option and ticks most of the boxes

Sadly we've only the Exynos variant of s10 here
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ldeveraux:
I agree with your lines in the sand except for the 1440p, that doesn't matter to me. My only question is whether the S10 or the V50 are boot unlockable?
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ChazzMatt:
I haven't kept up so much with the Samsung variants, but as far as I know for the LG V50 only the Europe variant (LMV500EM) has true bootloader unlock through the

official LG unlock code

. Our V30 LOS dev also is dev for V40 and V50 and he owns one. And by "true", I mean permanent. There's a

temp root method for other V50 variants

, but it's lost every time you reboot. The last time I looked on eBay for V50, I couldn't find any Europe variants, only "carrier unlocked" Sprint variant. (Hint for others: if the eBay listing says "unlocked" they are usually talking about SIM card unlock/network unlock, not bootloader unlock.)

However, while I have bought "international" phones in the past, I'm wary right now with the coming U.S. carrier VoLTE lockdown. By 2022 on AT&T I'll need a phone/firmware that gives me AT&T VoLTE. Verizon and T-mobile users will need it by the end of this year. That topic discussed here:

All U.S. V30/V3O+/V30S will need stock firmware, not LOS-based custom ROMs. When?
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] tech_infinity:
Some V50 have temp root, you could check about it on v50 xda

S10 exynos has good development, not sure about the snapdragon variant though

Best thing to do would be to visit the xda sub-forum for each device and see how everything is
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ldeveraux:
I've never heard of temp root but it sounds awful. I didn't want to research new phones after finally getting the V30 the way I wanted it. I'll just wait for Chazzmatt to upgrade, then I'll copy him! ;)
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ChazzMatt:
Yeah, this part:

On the old Motorola Droid Turbo, towards the end of development after Motorola tried to patch the Sunshine exploit, a one-time temp root was necessary for Sunshine to run to unlock the bootloader. But this is different. It's a continual cycle of "temp root", which you have to implement every time you reboot the phone.

For the S10/S10+ only the Exynos and Hong Kong Snapdragon variants can be bootloader unlocked and rooted, to my knowledge. For Hong Kong, it uses Snapdragon and Samsung puts easy bootloader unlock switch like with older T-mobile phones. But U.S. Snapdragon variants are hard locked down due to carrier demands. Exynos chips are used in other parts of the world and have bootloader unlock.

This thread claims you can get a U.S. S10+ bootloader unlocked and with TWRP installed from Chinese hacker.

https://xdaforums.com/s10-plus/how-to/g975u-discussion-root-bl-unlock-t3929385/page23

But other than that, seems impossible for regular people.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] mac62:
XDA article from this weekend indicates that Snapdragon s10 can be bootloader unlocked.

https://www.xda-developers.com/samsung-galaxy-note-20-ultra-root-us-unlocked-snapdragon-865/
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] StoneyJSG:
That link is for the galaxy note 20 ultra. 1 or 2 US phones can be rooted like the sprint S10 5G version. The S10 line is mainly locked down. The S9 just got root a few months ago.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] mac62:
If you read the article, it states that it is also for other models, which it lists the S10 as one.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] StoneyJSG:
Well holy crap! Someone leaked a Samsung tool that unlocks the bootloader, nice! $150 though...
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ldeveraux:
I think you'll find ~1 person on XDA willing to pay for BL unlock.:mad:
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ChazzMatt:
Interesting. But $150?
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ldeveraux:
Ugh all the Swappa sellers are considered "Enterprise" sellers, which just means I can't ask them questions about the build number. Unless I'm missing some other way to contact them, that's pretty lame. This is getting difficult to find!
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] schwinn8:
I would use the seller who does no-questions-asked returns, and simply return it if it's the wrong build. For now, this seems to be the best option? I mean, you could certainly ask sellers otherwise as well, but you may be going back and forth for a while that way.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ldeveraux:
I don't want to do business with someone that can't be bothered to send me the product I'm looking for, or puts me through a roulette until I eventually maybe get it...
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] kgirlx:
I just bought a Verizon s10+ from Swappa, picture showed it as having a version 3 bootloader which says can be unlocked.. Had to ask the seller to post... Others I asked, some posted, some didnt... It's a game watching for private sellers.... When it arrives I will post more here.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ChazzMatt:
The latest. Seems I've got about 30 days... This "new" free cell phone from AT&T will be their cheapest crap, I'm sure.

They're shipping me this time bomb in a box, which will auto-activate in 30 days and disable my current phone -- even though they admit they are NOT shutting down their 3G network until February 2022.

UPDATE: Just ordered mint 128GB Galaxy S10+ (black) off Swappa.com. AT&T firmware, but carrier unlocked. No, I don't know which bootloader version it has. "New" (probably original firmware in box) cost too much, so went with mint.

I'll use my V30 until the phone AT&T is sending comes. I'll keep it to give to my daughter, and then switch over to S10+.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ldeveraux:
When the S10 arrives, let us know the BL version. If it's unlockable, I'll order one too!
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] gimpy1:
Bummer, they are going to do that to you, Chazz.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] schwinn8:
Indeed, sorry to hear that Chazz. The big carriers are all so damn clueless... I'm so glad I don't deal with them anymore!

Glad to hear you're heading to the S10 as well. It will be good to have "all of us" on the same platform there, where we can help each other again, I hope! Looking forward to hearing more - if you guys start posting threads or guides, I'd love to see your links here (even though it's not V30 related) so I know where to look. As I mentioned, my biggest annoyance on the Samsung side is that they keep talking about this and that, but often the instructions are limited to Exynos and not Snapdragon. They just aren't very consistent with posting that info, unfortunately, so I spend a lot of time trying to figure it out... very annoying. My hope is that "we" can make this clearer, haha!

Anyway, good luck to all your S10ers... and please let us know what does/doesn't work, so we know what to look for as well!
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] kgirlx:
Well. I said I'd update after I got my s10+. Verizon sm-957u. Bought off swappa for 285, listed as good and seller posted pic of build v3. It arrived in good shape. I got it, updated it to latest version that can be unlocked, v4...Feb 2021, using Odin. Got ahold of the dude, from here, sent me to telegram, paid my 65 and off we went..now, I did use adb to disable OTA files he sent me in telegram, because in download mode, your WiFi needs to be on, Put phone into download mode, gave him DID #, token file link came not long after. Flashed in modded version of Odin, link provided by him, worked.. I only had a hiccup on my fault flashing the AIO file for Magisk, TWRP and AVB. Anyways... He answered all my stupid questions.. Walked me through it, always asking what was happening and me taking pics with my v30 and texting it through Telegram. Today...s10+ Phone is alive and I'm currently just debloating it, my v30 is still great, so need to switch all of sudden. But... Thanks to you guys on here for the s10 suggestion. Never, NEVER would I thought about a Samsung..... LOL
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ldeveraux:
For the record, who's the guy you contact for BL unlock? Did you mistype the model number, I'm seeing the Verizon S10+ as SM-G975U. Glad we have a VZ success story, going to search Swappa right now..
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] kgirlx:
yep, part of my stupidity..it was a mistype. it is a sm-975u. https://xdaforums.com/t/android-unsamlock-bootloader-unlock-for-samsung-us-canada-devices.4215101/

this forum is the guy, afaneh92, and then he will tell you to go to Telegram for payment and then all the rest after you have your phone. i had to ask quite a few people on Swappa, not everyone responds, i was looking every day for an individual seller. i made an offer for 275 on one and got rejected. im cheap..and i end up paying 285 for one. but its in great shape. my v30 is still in great shape, i wont use the s10 yet unless Big Red pulls some **** like what Chazz is going through on AT&T.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] danbest82:
I never thought I'd go Samsung either but here I am. It'd def be good to have all of you over on the Samsung s10+ side of things. You've helped me so much over the years with my V30. Everyone seems to actually do some research and help each other out. It's great.

As noted with Samsung, the Exynos varient has more mods and stuff but the Snapdragon at least has BL Unlock and root. Most of us were using the stock ROM on V30 anyway to work with our carriers.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] schwinn8:
If anyone has any sellers they would recommend, please let us know. My wife is having some issues with her V30, so I'm on the hunt now. S10+ is where we want to be, particularly because of the larger battery.

For those interested, it seems TW sells this phone directly as well: https://shop.totalwireless.com/shop/en/totalwireless/tw-samsung-galaxy-s10plus so that means it is supported (the G975U1, at least)... and I'm guessing this also means it should be able to activate without issue as well.

I notice there is a "U" and a "U1" version of these phones. I guess "U" is a carrier version, but SIM-unlocked... while U1 has no carrier software, and is also SIM-unlocked. The latter may not support some features (VoLTE/VoWIFI/visual voicemail/etc?) on some networks, but I'm not sure if that's really true for TW/VZ... some threads say that on TMO it won't say that VOLTE is working (eg no "HD" indicator), but it does actually work...

There's a decent answer on this thread about the differences between U/U1: https://forums.androidcentral.com/s...s/959825-s10-plus-model-number-confusion.html

Lots more reading to do, I guess... but any tips are appreciated!
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] danbest82:
The "U" is definitely the carrier version but is sim-unlocked and "U1" is also sim-unlocked and free of carrier bloat. You can cross flash with Odin, similar to the V30 Frankenstein method. A dev goes into it Here . I use the Verizon version and it's surprisingly not filled with as much bloat as I've seen in other phones. I suppose you could flash a U1 ROM and see what works with your carrier, if things don't work, flash the carrier U version.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] danbest82:
I haven't done any flashing of ROMs with Odin but had an issue with 2 TWRP clones giving me an error when trying to boot. I just flashed the original TWRP with Odin and thank Odin! It worked!
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] schwinn8:
Quick question(s) for the new S10 users: How do you check to see which bootloader is on the phone? Which one are we looking for to ensure we can root in the future?

Second, is there a way to block the BL update (or updates in general)? Basically, I think we need to keep BLv2, but I don't want to root as soon as I get the phone... so I want to see how life is without root. But I don't want to lose the ability later on either... hence I figure if there's a way to block it, then that would be ideal.

I did search that subforum, but I'm not finding this info... yes, maybe I need to ask there, but I figured I'd ask here first to people that "know" me more, haha.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] danbest82:
I have V4 on my S10+. V5 BL was not unlockable at the time (and believe is still not).

In developer options, I turned off auto update system .

I also could have swore I disable updates in titanium backup but can't find it. I'll post when I do.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] danbest82:
@schwinn8 you could also just unlock your BL and not root but then you'd be wasting money just to unlock it I suppose. I would imagine life without root would be doodoo to be technical. Lol.

Also, I guess I never froze any system updates after I rooted so turning that update option off in dev settings should be enough. When looking today, I decided to freeze "dynamic system updates 11" so I'll see if that breaks anything.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] schwinn8:
I'm not sure I need root anymore, that's why I'm considering trying that. However, if I try it out for a while, and it updates behind my back, then I would be screwed for sure. That's why I wanted to see how to identify it and how to disable updates while I try living rootless...

Thanks for the info, I'll see what happens when I get my phones (haven't bought them yet, but plan to do so soon.)... any other tips you run across are welcome!
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] danbest82:
The telegram channel and group here on the unlock thread have very helpful people. They may be able to help with upgrade disables without root. It's unfortunate that XDA had this branch off with telegram but I guess that's the way it goes .

Since you may be able to live without root, that kinda opens the door for you with many phones. I understand you want the option to root in the future if you deem it necessary. I really like the S10+ so far for the features I've listed before so it's a good phone root or not. My work phone is a s10e which I think has the same hardware(CPU, GPU, RAM) and haven't had any issues without root except for some screwy service issues today, and we'll, some custom stuff I want to do.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] schwinn8:
I've been thinking about root and whether I need it at all. With my carrier (TW) I can run the standard unlocked ROM (G975U, for example), so there's no carrier bloat to worry about. Even if there was, Android allows you to disable these things anyway, so you don't *need* root to do that.

As I look on my V30's Magisk, the only apps in there that I have allowed root access are FX (file explorer) and TiBu. I thought I might need root for Tasker, but it seems I don't. So, I don't think I need root.

I agree, I'd prefer to have it on principle... but I'm not seeing the need for it (at least for me). I'm not even running a custom ROM, as I needed VOLTE/VOWIFI which aren't available on customs anyway (seems to be true on S10 as well).

Again, this is what I'm seeing for me (it may not apply to other people) but I don't see the need for root. Still, I'd like to have it "available"... hence my questions.

I could consider other phones, yes... but most don't have headphone jacks, are notch-less (aka stupid apple crap), big batteries, easy access in the US, etc. (For example, the Xperia seemed interesting, but it's not really available in the US and it's expensive). If you have other suggestions, bring them on (that's what this thread was really about, after all)... but that's why I am aiming for the S10...

Thanks for the info on that thread. Even there, they say you can't update beyond the March level... does this mean you can't take security patches as well? I guess I have some reading to do there...

EDIT, for those interested, post 277 on that thread details how to use ADB to prevent OTA updates: https://xdaforums.com/t/android-uns...-canada-devices.4215101/page-14#post-85218253
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] danbest82:
I personally wouldn't take any patches unless they were released for a while and others report on them. But I'm not one that cares for updates anyway.

I don't have any real suggestions for phone since I was looking for root first but did look at Sony and then surprisingly found Samsung. Never would have thought I'd own one. The s10 series seems to be a good mix of hardware for what I was looking for. May be your best bet and then do the adb disables you linked to avoid the updates. I'm going to look into those myself now so that's for that!
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] danbest82:
Even without root on the s10 you can use "nicelock" to theme your status bar, nav bar and many other things. I use it to compliment things I've changed with "hex installer". Hex installer may be able to be used without root too with limited functionality.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ldeveraux:
you don't even ad block? How do you live without it?
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] schwinn8:
I adblock via uBlock on Firefox. I don't adblock apps because I don't need to (the ones I use don't have ads or they aren't intrusive enough for me to care).
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] danbest82:
I also have this turned off.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] danbest82:
Did you get your S10+? Was it unlockable? Looking forward to see you in the S10+ threads.

Off topic but I just tried to use my gf's prepaid at&t sim in my us998 since her iPhone was bootlooping. Now her account is locked. I guess you can't swap at&t sims to non-branded phones anymore either. We did this swap a year or so ago when her iPhone messed up on a trip and it worked fine. This sucks the big one right now for her. ☹️
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] schwinn8:
Well, I think I'm diving into the S10+ (SM-G975U) next week. I plan to buy 2 (one for wife and second for me). I'll take a look at what version BL is on them and see if it's rootable. I plan to buy from Bobcat on Ebay so I can return it if needed.

Either way, I plan to start without rooting, and see how it goes. I will still disable OTAs for now (I can always update manually with ODIN/Freja/etc)... so we'll see how it goes. Again, I'm open to any tips if anyone has any...
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ldeveraux:
I'm right there with you, except I don't want to dance around returning phones because they couldn't be bothered to check the build first. Lazy buggers.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] schwinn8:
Well, here's something we could try to do: You want 1 device, I will get 2... if there are others, we may be able to ask a single vendor to identify a quantity of "correct" BL versions ahead of time, and let us buy from that bunch. Basically, this ensures they vendor gets multiple sales for their efforts, which they may be more likely to do?

I'm happy to facilitate this process if desired. I just need a list of people who would want to do this.

I think it's also important that we all understand how the update process might happen. In other words, when we get our phones and power them on for the first time, will the device auto-update without asking us, or what? How fast do we have to be in order to prevent the update? Is there a popup or does it just happen in the background without asking? Because I'd hate to go through all this effort, and then end up having it update behind our backs like that.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] tech_infinity:
I am looking at the Motorola Edge 20 series as a potential upgrade to V30. Development is generally good on Moto devices.

Full specifications will probably be released soon by Moto this month.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] tech_infinity:
I gave the Poco X3 Pro to a relative and went back to my V30 with a cracked display. I found MIUI limitations and its bugs really annoying. Also the IPS LCD display on it was of particularly poor quality.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] ldeveraux:
THeoretically I'd be in, though I doubt you'd get more than you and me! If that one seller flat out refuses to look at the build before shipping, I don't see why other mass market sellers would. I'd think it's just down to getting lucky with a single seller.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] danbest82:
Mo

Motorola has been pumping out some big battery phones over the last few years. looking at their specs, they don't appear to have headphone jacks though. ☹️ I'm interested to see what the Edge 20 series has to offer in unlock and root.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] gimpy1:
The Motorola Edge+ 5g thru Verizon does appear to have a headphone jack. I've only read about them, have not seen one, though.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] schwinn8:
Well, I asked bobcat and they simply said they don't have any older-firmware devices available at all. Maybe they're lying, who knows... but that's a dead end, so I figured I'd mention it, at least.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] schwinn8:
mobiletopdeal replied as well - said that they don't have older-firmware phones, all are with latest firmware. Again, maybe a lie, maybe not... who knows...

I have one more seller I can wait on, but it sounds like most are not going to check and/or don't have older FW versions available anyway.

Maybe a seller of NEW phones would have better luck, as those would theoretically be unopened devices, and hence have whatever FW they shipped with. Of course, you'll pay a premium for that as well...
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] danbest82:
Mine was "open box" which is supposedly not used. Whether that's the truth or not, who knows. At least with "new" you know you'll have a fresh battery and no screen burn in that people have complained about.
[LG V30 Questions & Answers] schwinn8:
I tried a few more sellers, even of new units, and no one is willing to check more carefully. Oh well, I give up on that, and have purchased 2x S10+ phones (SM-G975U) for use with Total Wireless. They should arrive on Tuesday, so we'll see how it all pans out... wish me luck!