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[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] darthbane2k:
so let me ask you - you do not notice that all of the novel mobile applications that are being developed these days are going to iphone by way of the app store and not windows mobile?

Do you not think this concerns windows mobile users?

I mentioned the likes of myspace and facebook - whether you use those services or not, those are hugely popular.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Pharaohnough:
Granted.

Just a couple of points here:

- How long did it take someone to come up with a [Diamond] base for the Beer app after it was discovered on the iPhone?

- How long did it take the XDA community to open up the possibilities of playing around with Manila? You yourself asked earlier today if we could create a Tasks tab. Nobody would've even thought it was possible when Diamond first came out

- How long did it take to unlock the Diamond, get custom ROMs made based on community requests and how many of the best WM cooks are now in the Diamond kitchen?

- How long did it take the community to figure out how the G-sensor works and to develop apps, alarms, games, spirit levels for it?

The spirit of XDA and how everyone collaborates on it is the way application development for a device like Diamond or (dare I compare) iPhone should be. All developers here listen with an open mind and nobody here "sells" apps like the iPhone but they only ask for a donation if you feel like making one!

Compare all the above to the iPhone jailbreak, the fact that the iPhone was LOCKED for a whole year between the first release and the 3G release and finally the fact that you have to install something as resource-hungry, heavy, ugly and with a low level of usability as iTunes to be able to do virtually anything with your iPhone.

The way the WM community works- XDA being a prime example, is the reason behind the massive success of Windows phones and how they've evolved over the years. Apple is hyping the app-store so much yet you have to pay for crappy little applications and the device is only just thinking of getting BASIC functionality which WM has had for years (MMS, Exchange sync anybody?)

Enjoy your iPhone mate
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] jeffla:
I agree and understand your argument. I recently just ditched my iphone 2g in favor of the Diamond. Here in the US I only get an edge connection with either phone. I loved the iphones interface, the app store was great (but keep in mind it took 1 year from the iphones release to launch), the thing was fast, it got a lot of attention and looked great. You will have to give the development of vga software some time. I expect it to take a while as the Diamond is not available yet in the US. But I do understand that there will probably always be more "flash" apps available for the iphone. Of course there will be, it's the iphone. There is a lot more aftermarket parts for a honda civic than there is for an A6. That doesn't mean the civic is better. That was probably a bad analogy but of well.

BUT, (add all the usual anti-iphone crap here), I was growing tired of not being able to tinker with my phone. I had become feed up with itunes, I was frustrated I HAD to use itunes to simply add a file to the phone. Once jailbroken, there really wasn't much you could do that you couldn't already buy off the app store. I got tired of having to convert my little downloaded utube videos to an iphone friendly format.

The iphone has raised my standards for what I expect out of a cell phone/pda. I think its onscreen keyboard is the best out there and hope someone can bring that to the Diamond.

The iphone is great for someone who wants a phone to do only what it already does. Geeks and tinkerers are out, people who hate itunes are out and people who like being given choices are out.

I suggest ditching the Diamond for a few weeks like I did with my Tilt. Play with an iphone and see if it is what you want. If it is, well great, if not, welcome back.

Jeff
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] darthbane2k:
Dont need to. My wife has a 3G iPhone. I see its apps first hand and while many are fantasic, the Diamond is just as capable of pulling them off.. its such a shame that support is lacking. thats all.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] KukurikU:
man, i love when you speak dirty!!!

i think i am in love :rolleyes::rolleyes:
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Black93300ZX:
Did you mention the iPhone can now not be jailbroken? 2.0.1 has just been released, and there's currently no pwnage tool to break it. So forget the benefits of that, back to square 1.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Pharaohnough:
Hahahaha - I get very protective of the Diamond and there's a lot of injustice out there- it's a prime target for haters :D
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Pharaohnough:
I didn't know that but thanks for that- takes my point even further- Apple is always out to get the consumer and screw them in every way.

M$ knows what's going on here in XDA and everywhere else but they are smarter- they know that having an open platform actually leads to more sales and a wider consumer base (We all know I STRICTLY speak about M$ in this manner on the WM platform of course:D - although I am generally an M$ fan so I can't really ***** about their non-WM policies either)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] KukurikU:
don't worry. they'll find one and i'll drink to that. not a long time ago microsoft was the "bad guy in the block" now iPhone makers proved that it can be worse... have nothing to do with them but i hate anyone that "protect" something this way and i feel pity for the users.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Black93300ZX:
Yeah, they'll jailbreak again and another update will come... Someday apple will be able to detect any jailbreak and ban the user from their services.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] writinggirl:
One of these discussions again ...

I need a phone. That could be anything from a Nokia to an iPhone. But the HTC Diamond offers UMTS and GPS and that's what is making sense for me because that's usable mobility. Sorry, I'm too old for MySpace and facebook. I need a phone, a mobile Exchange connection and GPS navigation. In some cases Excel and maybe some fancy translators or unit converters. Compare this on my HTC Diamond, the iPhone can't do the job and won't be able to for a while. It has GPS bot no navigation software I can see.

I am happy to see that some guys have fun with iPhone but from my personal productivity aspects, the iPhone is lacking feature/options I consider to be necessary. Taking a photo with GPS data or staring a google maps is nothing I would consider "productive" in a non-paris-hilton kind of sense.

Susann
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] darthbane2k:
Such a snob!

Im sorry but many people use and rely on the social networking services. Lest we forget that the Diamond was marketed as a casual smartphone akin to the iPhone and not a hardcore corporate device.

Also theres nothing 'Paris Hilton' about geotagging or using Google Maps (both of which the Diamond can do)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Black93300ZX:
YES, WE RELY ON MYSPACE AND FACEBOOK TO CONTACT THE OUTSIDE WORLD, HOW COULD YOU FORGET? GOD!!!

And dude, don't call it "social networking services" to make it seem legit. Only 15 year old girls "rely on it".
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Mandragore:
Well, I have and actually, this thread looks more like it's darthbane2k oriented..

No offense, and I understand you're worried because the current lack of dedicated VGA WinMo apps for some social networking websites clearly is a big deal to you, but do you really think these issues alone justify the following statements as if they are facts?

It's one thing to express your concerns, and I agree that Apple's market share and number of iPhone applications will increase. Because I also believe that non iPhone developers (Symbian, WinMo, RIM BlackBerry, Linux, Palm OS) will shift to, or rather include the iPhone as a target platform. It sure is sexy!

But even so, I think you are overreacting and jumping to conclusions if you think your issues reflect on, and hold true for the whole WinMo installed user-, developer- and applications base. While your issues certainly are valid for you and many other users, I don't think you can back your somewhat radical conclusive statements about WinMo developer support up with facts.

Maybe, if you take a minute and try to guess the actual total of WinMo applications out there and the number of Windows and Windows mobile developers, who share the same Integrated Development Environment, who developed all these applications..

Think of the potential. It wouldn't surprise me if we both fell way short in our guesstimates. Developer support is the key to Microsoft's succes on first the desktop, then the internet and the (database, application and middleware) servers.

That may not be a good thing and I'm not saying the same goes for WinMo in the Smartphone market. Besides that, I'm all for competition and choice. But remember Netscape and Palm?

Uhm, yes ;)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] KukurikU:
not a snob. a voice of reason in my opinion.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] darthbane2k:
Really? what about marketers and those who work in the media, especially themusic industry. mock all you want but once upon a time these apps would have also gone to windows mobile.

okay, what about sky by mobile, flickr, shaznam... does windows mobile not need these apps too?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Pharaohnough:
Maybe he's after push-Facebook where he can get any new FB messages or pokes pushed to his Diamond as soon as they arrive on the FB server- Exchange-style? That's surely mission-critical... Shame on Diamond for not having it...
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Black93300ZX:
Like, OH MY GOD you guys, this is TOTALLY a reason not to buy this phone. Plus, even like, without facebook, the iPhone is SO much cuter! If I can't upload pictures to my flickr I'm just like, oh my god, what do I do with my phone? I don't even know what it's used for, like, really, who makes calls? I can't BELIEVE you would go away from home without facebook, like, what if I was in the music industry right, then myspace would like, TOTALLY be something I'd need, right?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Sergio PC:
FruitPhone sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Im gonna go ahead and do what i do in every thread that contains the words FruityPhone.

FruityPHONE SUKSSS

Who the hell cares about fagbook??? IMO.

I would never get a fruitphone, they are ugly and limited!

The simple thought of getting a fagphone gives me the creeps. I dont want to be a sheep!! Most of the fruitusers would be completely lost

anywhere outside of that tightly controlled Apple universe.

And are you damm serious, even though the fruity people develop apps for the next 10 years they wont get close to the millions of apps out there for WINMOB.

Lastly:

darthbane2k The Diamond is to much for you?? You need the comfort and security of a phone that can even let you copy paste? Then go ahead and sell your Jewel, Im sure you can get a pussyfone for the money!

Windows for ever!!!!!!!

And remember fellas Second best they are!:D

Cheers!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] programatix:
darthbane2k,

I think instead of complaining about facebook, ect, ect, why don't you just dump you Diamond and get the iPhone you praised so much.

or

Another suggestion, since you are here, you should know that this site is about sharing. If you want something and nobody is offering it, how about taking some time to produce it? In your case, no software for MySpace and FaceBook, contribute something to let someone in the forum to develop them or write the software for us. How about that?

Make the developer have interest in what you want, then someone might develop it. If you complain and whine, developer might lost interest in it and you might never see anyone developing anything for what you want.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] darthbane2k:
you're just being an arse while missing the point completely. NO ONE IS SAYING THE DIAMOND CANNOT DO THESE THINGS, It is afterall technlogically superior to the iphone, irs just no one is making an effort on high end windows mobile devices, since the appstore it has been left out as a viable platform. if you think social sites are worthless, where were you in the HUGE Beer thread?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Pharaohnough:
I was beginning to wonder where you were :D:D
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Black93300ZX:
Maybe 3rd best to Symbian... ;-)

I don't mind iPhones as much as you, my girlfriend wanted an iPhone 3G and her birthday came 4 days after their release, so sure I bought her one. But would I get one for myself? Nah.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Pharaohnough:
Well I agree with you on one thing mate... beer is social :D:p
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Black93300ZX:
No, you're missing the point. You're whining and complaining like a teenage girl PMSing, and no one wants to hear it. That's why everyone is making fun of you for being an idiot, but you keep lashing out and trying to prove a point that no one cares to understand. I have a facebook, yes... I have a myspace, yes... But I can check them when I'm on the computer, or better yet, use my mobile browser. I don't need a specific program to keep up to date on what my friends had to say about my most recent picture, because honestly I don't give a ****. As for the support scene overall, I've never in my life seen a group as responsive and helpful as XDA-Dev, and if you don't agree, don't let the door hit you on your way out.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Pharaohnough:
Is it too early to start placing bets on how long this thread has before it gets shut down? :D:p
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] KukurikU:
once again (last warning):eek: please announce when u are going to be sarcastic.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Black93300ZX:
Haha where the hell did you come from? I'm sorry, I'll try to make it clear next time. I think most people understood this time around. :)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Pharaohnough:
Since this is getting ugly, I'll intentionally go off-topic for once.

How is CT´s Light FINAL Beta 4 working for you mate?

(This is my effort to get this thread closed) :cool:
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] KukurikU:
hope not, i started by elegantly and politely flaming this thread but now....i love it!

remember?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Pharaohnough:
HA HA HA HA HA HA - that's classic! :D:D
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] KukurikU:
well, i am still looking for the best ROM for me...any suggestions?

i get rid of the GPS lag but if anyone still has it i am interested in hearing him.

my battery life is fine now but if anybody wishes to complain about it we, all are ready to listen and advice.

i am happy that the "beer diamond" program is advancing well.

did i mention the battery life???

in the last 2 seconds crossed my mind to buy an iPhone but it was so fast i don't remember now what was the reason. temporary insanity could be a good guess.

i am still interested to know what is the main difference between iPhone and diamond so i am going to search...does this forum has a search button?!!!!:eek:

(my humble efforts to close this thread):D
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] darthbane2k:
Okay i'll stop you there.

Yes you can check using Opera but have you tried to view pictures on it? seriously - its near impossible. Why cant we have something that renders photos full screen to take advantage of our gorgeous VGA screen? See what I mean.

And no I have nothing against this group! What on earth made you think that? When I mean support I mean actual commercial developers not the dedicated folk on this forum (not to take anything away from them)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] darthbane2k:
Best ROM is the latest WWE official HTC release. Extremely fast.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Pharaohnough:
Unfortunately there is no Search button. That thing you see in the top right is imaginary... the only way to find something is ask and keep buggering people even as soon as a question hits your mind.

ROMs:

I'm using Diamond Project 3.2 and I have to say it's the best I've tried so far in terms of battery life and performance and has no junk apps on it.

GPS:

I use Garmin and there is no lag when driving at all. Giving the new CoPilot 7 Diamond Edition a try as we speak because I am yet to find the perfect map set for Dubai (the city develops too fast for most if not all map makers). Nevertheless the level of detail in Garmin XT with all the POIs etc is fantastic and setting it up whenever you flash is a breeze (autorun set to start after the ROM's soft-reset).

To conclude, I highly highly highly recommend that you run to your nearest store and buy an iPhone so you can be cool. :D:D
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] KukurikU:
OMG! now I forgot to announce that i am going to be sarcastic. damn, sorry...
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Black93300ZX:
It's okay dude, I'm done toying with you. I've been up all night (nearly 1 pm here) and since you seem to get worked up over nothing, I was just having fun. I don't care if you like windows mobile or osx, nor does anyone else here. Just be happy with whatever device you choose and we'll be happy with whatever we choose.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Black93300ZX:
Hypocrite. :rolleyes:
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] darthbane2k:
If I wanted to do that I would just do that. Bury your head in the sand all you want but Windows Mobile is losing developer support. Only we and the commercial software developers can help turn that around. How many apps do you have for your diamond that take advantage of that gorgeous screen? not many apart from those that came with the ROM.

A lot of you misunderstand me, I agree the Diamond is the creme-de-la-creme of smartphones at the moment and I am very happy with my purchase; however software wise the iPhone is doing things a lot better and has a lot of interesting apps that would once upon a time have gone to Windows Mobile. Now there is no reason in the world why Windows Mobile should not benefit from these - the iphone is not superior to the likes of the Diamond/Touch Pro/Xperia/Omnia in any real way - yet these fantastic devices and their very competant operating system are being shunned.

Thats all im really, deep down, trying to say, if you dont agree with this outlook on things, feel free to question and debate.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] KukurikU:
now take all the "nice" words you used in the previous post to our thread starter (god bless him and his concerns with the wmo applications) and apply them to yourself.:p
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] darthbane2k:
Oh stop being an arsehole - you dont think there are any issues with windows mobile software at the moment? You think things are hunky dory? Why the hell arent we getting any new apps then? We have powerful mobile devices yet are being ignored. Like I said, this can be turned around - but burying your head in the sand aint gonna help.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] KukurikU:
be cool my friend. it's only a phone we are going to forget when the next shiny toy is going to emerge. it's going to be OK, believe me. no reason to get upset. c'mon, have a little fun! if everybody will think the same what a boring place the world will be!! the key word here is the one you used in yr last sentence=debate=. that's all the fun!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Pharaohnough:
I don't need to because out of God-knows-how-many subscribers on this forum, not many seem to agree with you on that point. Apple came up with the App Store to push people to use their device and develop for it because they realised how gay they were for the past year since iPhone launched and nobody could do much with it! It's still a load of crap because you're still bogged down with many restrictions.

MS/HTC/Co never needed to do this because there already is a thriving development community for their platform (hence the reason you are here looking for the Tasks tab of TF3D, the Beer app and the MediaConnect app).

This device is failry new and represents HTC (and other WM manufacturers) first foray into many areas including accelerometer/G-sensor, VGA (although it came with the X7500), etc. Just like the device is new to the manufacturer, it's new to the developers here. Nevertheless, they strive and they work tirelessly FOR FREE to make it better. Yes, the beer app is primitive but give it a short while and it will bury the iPhone's in the sand, same goes for editing manila and everything else happening. Compare your Diamond today to the day it was released. The pace of development is actually quite fast- considering the developers weren't taken by the hand like Apple is taking iPhone developers by their hand.

This is merely your humble opinion. Usage figures and the market speak otherwise and this is what matters in the end.

We all will do mate ;)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Sergio PC:
Im here bro always ready to stick it up the Steve Jobs ass and all the fruity isheep people!!

Remember second best they are!

WinMob soldier reporting to duty SIR!!!!:D
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Black93300ZX:
How long has the iPhone been out? Over a year... How long has the Diamond been out? A month? A lot of the development with the iPhone comes from the states (not to say it doesn't come from other places)... How long has the Diamond been out in the states? It's not. How long has the Xperia? It's not. How long has the Omnia? It's not. So you're saying there's not enough support for a device that, in one of the biggest nations to contribute to that support, DOESN'T EXIST. Is that a fair argument to make? All of these "big development corporations" you talk about, aren't a lot of them located in the US? Well, think about the fact that your device doesn't exist in their nation, then wonder why the support isn't as good as you'd like it. Maybe if you waited for the release of the device in that country, they'd actually attempt to support your screen and hardware specifications.

Your complaints: Myspace (US), Facebook (US), Flickr (US)... What else did you complain about? I forget in the mess of laughing at you.

Oh, and you mentioned eBay, another US-based company. Why don't you write them all letters complaining that they're not supporting a phone that isn't even available in their country, see how seriously they take you.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] KukurikU:
i knew i've seen this somewhere else...

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=413629

not satisfied with tthe reactions you got then and thre and you opened another thread?!!! double thread??!:mad:

sacrilegious! i want you banned and put in handcuffs. that's too much!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] demonizator:
You all are sooooo right...

:p
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Black93300ZX:
Hahaha I think that obesity quote is sig-worthy.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Pharaohnough:
This and the other thread should be merged together then added to http://www.google.ae/search?hl=en&q=iphone+hate+site&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Black93300ZX:
Maybe I should take this approach... Here's what I'll do. I'll make a post titled

"I'll give you $50 for your Diamond!"

If no one responds, or if I get flamed and don't get the answer I like, I'll wait a few days and post again. And again. And again. And again. Someone has to like the idea at some point, right?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] demonizator:
//offtopic

You bet! Got me back to my US days..!

:p