yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] KukurikU:
after seeing this i'll never complain (or attack) forum members that are *****ing/wining about the diamond. they have not a chance in hell to be worse than what i have seen there. i guess iPhone owners are salivating at the thought that could own a diamond even with the first, slow motion ROM.

never imagined that iPhone is so @##$! (lost my words).

anybody complaining about the diamond should be sent there and asked to read one page, this one for example:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=2492254#post2492254-this should made a fine sticky...lol
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] JanDaMan:
this thread has had wayyyy to much attention for what its worth.

about time i wade in...

Get BOTH an iphone and a diamond!! and then STFU

lol look WM7 will be out in a while and google android is promising too, its foolhardy to say at this point that you are never going to buy a WM phone again and apple is the way to go, (which is how this whole damn thread started in case you forgot!) when you haven't seen what will be out in just one years time. - never forget developers will come if there is money to be made, the iPhone is not the end of the road for them.

For me, the best gadget wins, i dont care for this brand loyalty crap (except when it comes to cars, but thats another story) - for me the iPhone has too many limitations, and lacks key features such as MMS, stereo bluetooth and a descent camera, and frankly i would find it rather embarrassing to even put an iPhone on a desk when others are around.

Also i should add, the physical size of the apple is just too large for me.

end of the day i reckon the iPhone is a bit of a Marmite product either you love it you h8 it (well h8 is a strong word, but i think you know what i mean)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] ldnpat:
Give the guy a break - he's right, and you're all burying your heads in the sand if you believe that the Diamond is a perfect business phone.

And whoever wrote the SMS app for WM6 should buy themselves an entry level Sony Ericsson (or Nokia, for that matter), play with its T9 and look up "useability" in a dictionary.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Mandragore:
I didn't and still don't agree with your claims and perceived loss of WinMo developer support in favor of the iPhone. And I certainly disagree with your reasoning why. Because your outlook strikes me as impatient, unfounded, downright not true and therefore, in a way, a bit narrow-minded. Considering the way you seem to think about developer support in general. But that's open for debate, so could you please respond to my previous post?

Compare the Smartphone market with the game console market, if you will. It's not a discussion about which platform, Xbox 360, PS3 or Wii is better. Apparently there is a market for all manufacturers to invest in. Now, there are developers that develop exclusively for just one platform. Either by choice for whatever technical or commercial reason, or bounded by contract. And from time to time you hear about developers switching 'to the dark side'. But apart from those exclusives, most developers target multiple platforms. Why, because there often is a business case to do so.

While the iPhone is a high profile, sexy, mainly consumer oriented platform and it's here to stay, I don't think that's where the big money is for most of the developers. Certainly not exclusively and certainly not with Apple's current cut of the 3rd party software sales. Furthermore, it's 'just' another small share platform. So yes, I also believe that non iPhone developers (Symbian, WinMo, RIM BlackBerry, Linux, Palm OS) will shift to, or rather include the iPhone as a target platform. But I don't think it has or will have the drastic impact you want us to believe with all your statements I've quoted.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] olstar:
wouldn't the answer be for active sync to have access to a windows mobile app store? maybe one place hosted by msoft or htc that isn't restricted to some ****e like Itunes.

I know there are plenty of online stores already but aren't htc missing a trick here? I would sign up and buy credit and this would contribute to paid development to you guys who make it worth while being a windows mobile user.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] swiftgs:
Yihaa

and there we go again, after the reminder that you doublestarted a thread, I think the tunnelvision for you is blowing skyhigh. First, (as i stated also in your other thread). This is the DIAMOND forum, not the lack of support forum.

Besides that, WM isnt losing that support, just see XDA and the apps they create. And know what, ALL for free. Other then that you are only whining about your facebook app. I check my facebook on my diamond and its ok, can see pictures etc. etc. What is not possible I just do on my pc.

I have to agree with most people here that youre actually write a lot of nonsense here. And any argumention is beiing eliminated by your opinion. I hope one of the mods will close this thread and close all the iphone whining threads as well.

Not satisfied.... buy a iphone, satisfied, keep your diamond and stop crying like a child and let XDA do their job!

Cheers!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Nuri58:
Add change battery, real GPS navigation and a few others. Mind you Mac is also somehow nicer than PC, but the PC picked up on Windows and will be the prefered for many, that's why the WM phones will stay around - next coming out is Samsung with same size dispaly as the iPhone and SD card support.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Thom4s:
It all depens what u want to do with the devices. For me touch diamond is perfect, for a lot of my friends i would advice an iphone.

I like windows mobile but it's far from perfect, we'll see what the future brings and what my next phone will be. Untill then i'm very happy with my touch diamond. Maybe an extended battery that isn't the size of a barn and a cool backplate without triangles and with rubbery finish and the phone might last me for years.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] darthbane2k:
Fair enough guys, fair enough..

Many of you are a tad defensive, and thats understandable but I appreciate the differences in opinion. Either way we'll see how things pan out long term. Dont get me wrong, as Windows Mobile users we all are batting for the same team and singing from the same hymn sheet, but I wouldnt be honest if I were to say that I wasnt feeling a little left out application wise. Ive been a windows mobile user for near 5 years now and ive never felt that way before.

:)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] R3PUBL1K:
there is also a facebook mobile web portal -which may have its limitations?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] xispas2008:
usually i dont like to rant on foruns but here goes my €0,01

follow the links to intomobile for more info

http://blogs.zdnet.com/mobile-gadgeteer/?p=1337
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] denoir:
Last windows mobile device? Nah, I can already predict my upgrade history as I've been through it before.

1) I'll get tired of WM's idiosyncrasies and the poor battery life sometimes early spring. I'll get a simple Nokia or Sony Ericsson and marvel at the million years talk and stand by time and the fact that it just works. I'll declare it to be the best mobile phone I've ever had.

2) After a month or so, I'll miss the more advanced functions and upgrade to better one (but also Nokia or SE).

3) By mid summer there should be a new Iphone and I'll probably get it just to see if I like it. I probably will for a while.

4) By fall WM 7 should be out, so I'll get one of those and I'll soon be horrified by the number of bugs in the new version.

5) Goto 1.

I've done two cycles of this already (excluding the iphone which I haven't tried). WM phones (this is my third) have actually been getting better over the years but still lack the "just works" quality of normal cellphones. WM7 supposedly will have a huge number of new features (including multi-touch) and will probably be very cool..in theory. In practice there will be a large number of bugs that will most likely take a year or two to fix.

For now, I really like the Diamond, but I doubt that it will last as I'll get increasingly annoyed over the things that don't work as they should and the inadequate battery life.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] jeffla:
Everyone relax, he is right in many ways. The iphone is getting a lot of commercial development attention. As an X iphone user, I was shocked at what was available via the app store. I really liked Shazam (a program that would listen to any music source and tell you the name of the song, and give you the option to buy it), eBay (a very well layed out mini app), Pandora for free, the list just goes on and on. I have no doubt that you can find other apps to do this on the Diamond. But there are tons of really cool apps available for the iphone that I wish they would release for our device.

Don't get me wrong, I sold my iphone for the diamond and don't regret it too much. The iphone is a great multimedia phone, you can argue that until your blue in the face, but spend a week with it and then come to the table.

And stop calling things gay. As a gay man, I find your childish references stupid.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Black93300ZX:
As I went through before, the phones he's saying "have no commercial development support" haven't even released in the US, which is where a lot of the commercial development comes from for the iPhone (eBay as you mentioned). Let the phone actually RELEASE before expecting support for it, as far as eBay is concerned the Diamond doesn't exist for another month or so.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] L o r d R a j:
I second that.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] writinggirl:
"How many apps do you have for your diamond that take advantage of that gorgeous screen?"

Try this (productive type, not a whiny-facebook-social-network-replacing-stuff): http://www.sky-map.de/en/main.php?ID=0. I love it in VGA and it prevents me from falling off the sky. Any chance I can use it on an iPhone? Nope! Use your fingers to do a map scroll and you will love it. By the way, it did it this way in WM5 already.

Let's be fair: http://www.flymap.de/ also supporting VGA and taking it to the very limits. Just perfect and productive.

When I'm not in the air, I love this one (VGA support): www.navigon.de. I can find a decent hotel, call them and find them - all with just one phone.

I deeply looked into the appstore. Please do it yourselve and let me know: What is "productive" in the store? Before answering, please consider that there are a lot more people out there making their living OUTSIDE the music and event industry. Furthermore, if you really rely on the fact that you are available every second, don't blame the phone. Just reconsider the way you are organising your life. You either have problems delegating activities or you just have a good number of wrong people in your sphere or influence.

"social networking" in a facebook or myspace way seems to me like an invention of the corresponding marketing people. What is the traditional way called now? "Flesh-and-blood networking"?

Susann
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] darthbane2k:
This isnt a debate regarding productivity applications vs novelty/fun/social ones. The fact of the matter is there should be a variety of apps to suit all tastes. Your aviation app has no use for me, for example.

Furthermore, no one is blaming the phone for anything. We're all in agreement that the HTC diamond is a fantastic bit of technology. My only arguement is that developer support is shifting from windows mobile (the OPERATING SYSTEM) to iphone - it doesnt need to shift, Windows Mobile and the new VGA high end devices are more than capable of doing anything the iphone can do, if not more.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] tomchap:
darthbane2k:

Have you tried using this at all? Not sure if it will be of any use to you? http://www.magnifoca.com/download_snap2face.html

Found it while looking at my RSS feeds on my Diamond, msmobiles had it listed in their feeds.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] coopigeon:
Aint it just a matter of time thing? i mean look til recently the diamond was only on orange and other operators are having to wait. i see it same with apps.They are either tweaking firmwares,roms etc or being made to wait by the paying operator i.e orange

Who would want facebook on it anyway ? the programs just a pile of crap that causes nothing but trouble. I mean who wants to meet up with someone they sha**ed one night in a drunken stuper ?

Myspace is dying out also . if ya wanna use these go home on the lappy or desktop dont ruin a good phone with these.

P.s anyone got bebo for wm6.1 ? lol i AM JOKING .
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] BelugaHval:
iPhone doesnt have Bluetooth????

I would never buy a phone without Bluetooth
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] darthbane2k:
Sadly it is illegibile with our VGA screens :-(

I also miss Shazam/MusicID - I used to use that a lot, and sadly there is no windows mobile alternative that will work on our devices.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] wfhowell:
windows mobile support

everyone is talking about support for windows mobile...and the Touch Diamond. Maybe we have created our own monster. Who has gone to windows support for problems???? I havent because anyone can come here with just about any windows mobile phone and problem and have more than support.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] darthbane2k:
To be honest, Facebook is the only one I use, very occasionally. But I used those popular services as examples of how Windows Mobile is now being overlooked as a viable mobile platform by commercial developers.

What about Flickr (a dedicated app, not stripped down mobile site), Shazam(MusicID) or even sky by mobile? - these are extremely useful, yet we have no options.

Anyway, made my point - arguement got a little out of hand - but I think we can let it rest now
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] darthbane2k:
I meant windows mobile support as in current active software developement for high end (VGA and compariable with iphone) Windows Mobile Devices.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] cornelious2:
Darthbane2k, I don't post often here, I usually am on ppcgeeks because I am still stuck with a Titan. Do everyone and yourself a huge favor, just be patient and wait till around December. This phone just passed FCC approval not that long ago in the US. Honestly I don't know how skyfire will work on a vga screen, but currently on my mogul I can view pages WAY better, faster than the Iphone, and I can play on myspace apps and watch youtube videos and whatnot. Let me ask you this, how long did it take for the Iphone to start taking market share of the mobile internet realestate? I think it only started taking off a couple months ago.

Any time you change technologies, there is always a learning curve for developers. take the newest gaming systems, when the WII or the ps3 came out, there was crap for selection, how there are hundreds of games for each. I Honestly see a true revival in winmo starting to happen, it will just take a bit of time, and if you really get too pissed off, android is around the corner and you can install that over winmo.

Truth be told, I am a bit jealous of some of the Iphones support and abilities, but then I look at what is coming out soon and chuckle. Patience is a virtue, and Us nerdy types are usually lacking in that. Heck, I got tired of loading the databases manually at my old job so I wrote scripts so I could be done with it and just get an e-mail when it finished.

I hope to soon start developing applications for windows mobile, but I am waiting for the release of the diamond/touchpro to the US so I won't start off outdated.

Long story short, give the diamond a solid 4 months after its us launch and prepare to be amazed at how lacking the Iphone truely is compared to the collective mind of the people on xda and ppcgeeks.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] writinggirl:
"My only arguement is that developer support is shifting from windows mobile (the OPERATING SYSTEM) to iphone - it doesnt need to shift, Windows Mobile and the new VGA high end devices are more than capable of doing anything the iphone can do, if not more."

... And since 11 pages now a few fellows try to tell you that they can't see the same thing you seem to see. My first VGA PPC had been a HP 4700 3 years ago and I got all the apps I needed.

While talking loudly about devs "moving" to iphone apps, check out the conditions of the SDK and the payment strategy of AppStore - from a developer point of view. Have a look at what it can look like in 2 years. There might be a few with a win/win situation but I guess 90% are left in an "itunes-wins" situation - ass it is the case now with PS2/3 apps developers.

Susann
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] darthbane2k:
Some very good comments.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] merrica:
Bravo. Well said
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Pharaohnough:
Cheers mate.

My earlier posts may have sounded like I was bashing but you've hit the nail right on the head and more or less got the message across. You just need to be more patient because the Diamond represents a lot of new things in WM devices.

I've had my Diamond nearly 2.5 months now and I can tell you I notice a HUGE focus shift from the day I got it and the way it is today- some examples of which I highlighted in my previous posts.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] tonyb15re:
Ive not read the whole thread so appologies if this has already been said.

I think the issue is not with HTC/MS providing a Custom/Bespoke app to render social networking sites properly, the issue lies with those sites not presenting the pages correctly to mobile devices. try going to a well developed site that is supported by a large corporation, bbc.co.uk for example, that displays correctly, it scrolls and moves properly, zoom in and out works. Dont slate the device, slate the web developers who are ruuuubish IMHO ;)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Telvin_3d:
As someone who is currently trying to choose between a diamond and an iphone, I think people should be worried about the lack of these types of apps, even if they don't use them.

Like them or not, use them or not, myspace and facebook are almost ubiquitous for anyone under thirty. The fact that there are no apps either available or announced means that the developers don't consider the Diamond to be a viable target market.

Even if you don't want these particular apps, the lack of developer interest in such high profile situation should be worrying. And the Diamond and the apple app store have been out for about the same amount of time, with specs for both available long before hand. If there is no developer interest now, HTC had better work hard or there will never be any.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Black93300ZX:
This post is so played out, no one cares anymore. Yesterday it was fun, today it's just boring.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Pharaohnough:
That's the wisest thing that's been said on this thread since yesterday :D:D
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] darthbane2k:
Exactly! And this is what everyone else fails to realise.. Windows Mobile is not being considered a viable platform anymore simply because nothing NEW is being developed for it by the commercial developers.

Problem is everyone is amoured with simply running old WM5 apps on the awesome Diamond hardware, but what about new apps, new services that are more relevant for today's lifestyle - none are going to Windows Mobile, all are going to iphone, and the app store has only been running what, a couple months?!!

Take sky by mobile, the software for UK sky tv subscribers to set their set top boxes to record programming by logging online and browsing the tv schedule no matter where they are. Theres a iphone app coming (if its not out already), theres long been a symbian app.. anything for windows mobile? no nada nothing. I have sky HD and this would be of huge benefit to me.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] darthbane2k:
you're only making the thread longer
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Black93300ZX:
ROFL this kid's like "HOW LONG HAVE IPHONE APPS BEEN AROUND, A FEW MONTHS?"

Yeah or since the release of the first iPhone over a year ago, get a grip. Nothing changed in the software from the first iPhone to iPhone 3G, the Apps can be the same, but now they charge for them. Yet you sit here saying "OH BUT WE'LL BE HAPPY USING WM5 APPS???"

Umm, are you happy using these iPhone apps? They were created for the original iPhone. Just because Apple doesn't come out with OSXI for iPhone 3G doesn't mean the software is any less outdated. You're all stupid.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] darthbane2k:
In the case of Windows mobile, of course old software is dated, simply because all of the new high end windows mobile devices have VGA screens - most of these old apps (Take SongID for example) do not look pleasant at all on a VGA screens, and developers cannot be bothered to make new versions because they no longer see Windows Mobile as a viable platform.

Of course we will have a clearer picture in 6 months or so..
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Pharaohnough:
There you go again... you've just decided that developers have lost interest in WM just because you can't get a snazzy looking Facebook application that you can take to the toilet...
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] darthbane2k:
http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=115787

seems like im not the only one noticing this, and yeah it goes beyond 'facebook'
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] skrap3:
Yep, the diamond is nice but could be better.

I use this for playing a bit around and i have a lot of fun with it.

But for normal use i prefer my iphone.

But who cares, in a year or two, nobody will talk about these two anymore.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Black93300ZX:
Biggg 2nd :)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Black93300ZX:
To quote that post.... "Looks like due to extensive piracy, nobody wants to put out software for PDA/Mobile phones anymore."

Which means he's saying nobody's putting out apps for any mobile phone at all, you're just saying Windows Mobile. You just killed your entire argument by saying major developers don't even want to come out with iPhone apps, because he said all Mobiles and PDA's. You're done...
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Telvin_3d:
You are absolutely right. A year from now everyone will be talking about the iPhone 3.0 and whatever replaces the diamond/WM7. There will also be a rush of developers updating and forking their applications to make sure they are compatible with the new iPhone, if only to make sure they don't lose their slot in the iTunes store.

Will you see the same developers rushing to update all their WM 6 software to take full advantage of WM7? Do you see many developers putting a priority on updating WM5 (or even earlier) software for WM6 right now?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Black93300ZX:
Really? Hmm... If you say so.

Maybe you guys could think, possibly, that the reason developers concentrate more on the iPhone is because it's 1 phone for the entire operating system. It's not like you have to come out with 8 different versions for touch screen OSX, smartphone OSX, VGA screens, QVGA, this that and every other thing. TONS of people buy iPhones, and THE ENTIRE OS IS ALL ONE DEVICE. Find me 1 mobile device that sells in the United States like the iPhone does, and I guarantee developers will rush to that even if it's WinMo.