yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] aaur4man:
it works although a little weird; the record may not register immediately, may take a while or immediately if the app is killed then relaunched

even clearing the call history takes a while to reflect.

edit: tried again and new calls appear immediately on call history. clearing history requires exiting the app to main screen and then back again to reflect the change, but doesn't require killing the app.
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] loopypalm:
just press back and open dialer again to see it (no need to kill or force stop),but that's a waste of time for people who makes lot of calls ...
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] aaur4man:
I see. not an issue for me then because I have no friends :)

:(
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] Usu1:
Hello.

About the problem you mentioned. The same thing happened to me a few days ago when I tested Lineage OS 17.1 on my redmi Note 8T.

It turns out that the problem you're talking about occurs because some online banking applications detect that you're running an unofficial rom. Therefore they refuse to work because they understand it as a possible security risk, even if the device is not rooted.

The only solution I found was to simply install Magisk Su and activate root lock for banking applications.

This way those applications will not be able to determine that you are running a custom rom.

This problem doesn't seem to have any other solution at the moment. And the reason why this is not happening to some users may be in the new European PSD2 regulation that regulates new, much stronger security measures related to payment services.

For this reason many European banks have updated their applications by increasing security measures.
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] OldKnight:
:crying:
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] hsheng:
For me both the 0913 and 0918 build, when bluetooth earphone connected, call sounds work through bluetooth but media sounds don't. I tried both my Jabra Boost and Mi Neckband earphones with same results.

When I switch back to 0814 build now, media sound works with bluetooth earphones.
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] Zesam:
Both work for me on last build. I did a clean flash. :cowboy:
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] nahid.sayem:
Guy's just look at this?i didn’t expected this much Screen on time,,that's just awesome,,,

I played PUBG like 2 hours

& always on wifi using YouTube, Facebook some other apps,, that's one of the best rom for Ginkgo i think...

Totally Love this...❤Thanks To The Great Developer❤
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] hsheng:
I formatted data and media sounds work. Thanks:)
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] cristianpark:
What a great ROM, I'm using it since weekend and I love it overall. I just have one problem with Whatsapp Web, it gets disconnected every now and then (mostly if I'm using Wifi connection). I haven't face that with same frequency using MIU EU ROM or stock, and I don't know if it's a known bug related to wifi connection maybe or is there something I can configure.

Thanks
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] acristescu:
In my case it does also disconnect but only in the workplace (the signal is not so good in my office), and that was the same with every rom or phone I had. I understand that with MIUI also happened but not with the same frequency. I recommend that you test this with other wifis and see if the same happens. At the workplace I use whatsapp web with mobile data (PC is on LAN and Phone on Mobile Data) and it work perfectly :good:
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] loopypalm:
Hold VOL button to skip song dosn't work

Any Fix ?
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] Zesam:
Works on both headset and airpods. VOL button skips song.

Never heard of such a feature on mobile-device. :confused:
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] loopypalm:
i'm talking about the hardware buttons
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] loopypalm:
Fixed with gravitybox

another problem :

adjust brightness by sliding across status bar gesture not work and not fixed by gravitybox

any idea ?
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] DqrKn3Zz:
Can you be more helpful (explaining with all details, any custom kernel, any Magisk module, any mod like Xposed or GravityBox)? Because sliding across status bar gesture is fine, really i dont know what you did, also without a full log i cant help you too (Read first post how to get logs if you dont know how to get them).

Edit: Stop using any mod such GravityBox if you dont even know what youre doing (also forget my support if youre using mods of any kind, example the ones i stated before)
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] wsdyleon:
Ginkgo: Flash 20.9.17 Fw China

can u explain how to，and where to get the link？

im chinese
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] Zesam:
20.9.24 is the last one.

https://xiaomifirmwareupdater.com/firmware/ginkgo/
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] loopypalm:
I said it 2 times :silly:

No custom kernel and no magisk module

this happen before i installed GBox , i install it because i remember seeing those option in it (like brightness gesture and vol+- to skip songs )

what do you mean by "you dont even know what youre doing" ???
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] DqrKn3Zz:
I need logs to really see the problem, if you just say what problem you have, you don't really help me.

I'll start ignoring people who dont help me by giving me their corresponding log after having noticed a problem in the rom.
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] devaponnadsm:
I am facing battery drain issue. Battery drains about 1%/4.5mins when in USE. When screen is off, it is 1/4 of this.

I have done a clean install.

I have attached my battery discharge rate? Is it normal?
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] wsdyleon:
thanks very much for your reply，boot successfully
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] wsdyleon:
another quention：what‘s’ the “decryped”？

and any other way to wakeup display by FP？

thanks in advancedView attachment 5105433
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] devaponnadsm:
It means the data in your device is encrypted. You are formatting data during ROM installation as the data is encrypted. To decrypt, Format data again, Install ROM and flash Disable Force Encrypt DM-Verity (Search for Zip in any search engine) in TWRP.

WARNING: Decryption may decrease the security of your data and anyone can access the data without lock. You are making this changes to your device. I am not responsible for any changes made.
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] wsdyleon:
thanks again，i'll try，
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] Abhiraj1997:
Wifi calling not working in latest rr rom. Otherwise the rom is awesome. Plz help
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] Zesam:
Wifi calling works very well here. No problem at all.

This rom is the best in this town. I have tried all of them.
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] Abhiraj1997:
Which service provider are u using
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] Zesam:
Swedish hallon
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] josue severiano:
Hi, how are you friends? I just installed the ROM but I have a problem with notifications with the screen off, I do not receive the message until I unlock the screen.

I would really appreciate if someone would help me solve my problem.
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] yengman:
I have the same problem. Text alerts don't go through until I unlock the phone. Is there a setting one can toggle to change this?
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] DqrKn3Zz:
Check if you app hasn't battery save mode active
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] Muhclis14:
How to change default data connection?
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] yengman:
The default Messaging app is already whitelisted from battery save, but text notifications still won't come through if the phone is idle for some time. Once I unlock the phone, the backlog of text notifications show up all at once. Are there additional settings I should check to fix this?
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] DqrKn3Zz:
Kindly check if you have installed any app or Magisk module for that, because i and even my tester never faced it
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] Zesam:
The device has difficulty getting out from deep sleep. My alarm didn't wake me up today. :(
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] yengman:
Did a factory reset but the problem is still there. However notifications work fine when the phone is charging.

I'm guessing it's a deep sleep/doze problem. It only happens when the phone is idle for prolonged periods, except when plugged in
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] acristescu:
That is a known Android 10 permission problem because of enhanced security. What alarm app do you use? Is it the default clock app? Please check all the permissions(Example: the permission to show over other apps, or on the lock screen) and "do not disturb" options carefully, and also the battery optimisation.

In the night my phone is on flight mode and in do not disturb mode also, and not charging (I don't like to charge battery to 100%), and the alarm pops up everytime.

RR 8.6.0, build no. 20200918, RN 8T
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] Zesam:
Thank you for your replay!

I use the default app and I have checked all permission for it. It's exempted between other apps in deep sleep mode, but it doesn't weak me up today. My boos is angry on me today. lol

In stock miui I had never this problem even in android 10.
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] acristescu:
That is because on stock ROMs are working more people(and payed) then on Custom ROMs. I used to have problems with alarms big time on my HTC U Ultra with custom ROMs.

Take also a look at the notifications
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] loopypalm:
i see ver 8.6.1 in the title but only 8.6.0 in the download server

any link to it ?
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] DqrKn3Zz:
Not yet, its still in private testing, although to tell the truth its stable, i only waiting for the October patch to be able to release it
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] alexmaisa:
I'm sorry for this dumb question. What is smart charging? Anyone can help me?
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] CheepPlüm:
Hey bro, is CTS Passing in this Rom?

I need it for Online Banking apps...

Cheers
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] redminote8txda:
Screen casting to my amazon fire tv stick 4k isn't working, but casting to a Chromecast is working. On miui both were working.

Does anyone else have this problem?
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] DaFoxxY:
CTSprofile = true

But mine banking software isn't working, something to do with how xiaomi ****s up everything. I use my Note 7 for paying bills
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] DqrKn3Zz:
Is an option to set charging limit (normally your phone will charge till 100%), with this feature you can set a charge limit, as example: I want to charge my phone till 80%, then i should use this.
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] DqrKn3Zz:
New RR build is out!

Kindly check changelog on 2nd post, and also theres will be 2nd October build with some improvements and with October patch
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] mogerz05:
thx dev, i'll try this one
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] :
Hi. My question is 1. how do i check my ginkgo frimware version.

2. is there any animation showing in power off charging?
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] :
Is it necessary to flash my firmware. if i flash ut and install custom rom will i be anle to get back to stock miui?
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] alexmaisa:
Thank you for the answer dev. :good:

One last question, in what condition do I have to use this feature?
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] devaponnadsm:
Normally, it is said that thr battery life becomes less when it is charged to 100% and drained below 15%. It is better to keep the battery level more than 20% and less than 85% in order to improve battery life.
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] aaur4man:
how is 8.6.1 with latest firmware?

on 8.6.0 and wondering to upgrade.

dirty flash possible?
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] bustander:
I am unable to complete initial setup after flashing RR and OpenGapps on willow. Step with fingerprint addition appears again and again. I did format data/wipes everything except microsd. Anyone have same problem?
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] devaponnadsm:
Click Skip Fingerprint and then add from settings.
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] alexmaisa:
Okay. I got it. Thanks bro.

---------- Post added at 21:20 ---------- Previous post was at 21:16 ----------

RR 8.6.1 is well built I think, just flashed it a few hours ago. On 8.6.0, I found a bug on autorotate. It is resolved on 8.6.1.

Yes, it is possible to flash it dirty.
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] aaur4man:
thanks. flashed FW 12.0.2 and 8.6.1 dirty. no problem
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] :
Hi can you help me? is it necessary to flash ginkgo frimware before flashing the rom in my redmi note 8? and is the animation working in power off charging?
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] alexmaisa:
If you use stock MIUI based on Android 9, yes you must flash latest MIUI firmware (Android 10). Power off charging animation is working, default not customized.
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] :
So my phone is originally china and i have changed it to India. if i flash RR rom in my note 8 will i be able get back yo my Indian rom normally, i mean using the mi flash tool. will therr be any problem because of the installation of frimware?
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] alexmaisa:
It should be no problem at all, if you flash the right stock rom for your phone. MiFlash will overwrite all partition, revert it back to MIUI. I once tried it using Redmi 2 some years ago.
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] :
Thanks

---------- Post added at 05:50 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:45 PM ----------

Thanks
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] allo80:
How u update it to 8.6.1 I have 8.6.0
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] alexmaisa:
There are two ways to do that, choose one:

1. Open Settings -> System -> Updater -> Refresh and download update, then install.

2. Download the update file from RR website (link on first page of this thread), save it on your internal storage, reboot to TWRP, then flash it.
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] OldKnight:
// Begin

1 - Download RR rom, Open Gapps and Firmware.

2 - Reboot to Recovery

3 - Make a backup as a precaution (Boot, System Image, Data)

// Dirty flash

4 - Wipe Dalvik / Art Cache, Cache, System and Vendor

5 - Install RR rom, Open Gapps and firmware

6 - Reboot to system
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] allo80:
Thanks I have done the update

---------- Post added at 10:21 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:17 AM ----------

Thank you for ur response I have done the update
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] charlescobedo:
Thank you guys for all your hard work. Recents button nor camera working, tried to dirty flash 8.6.1 to see if it fixed it, nothing. Any advice? :eek:
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] devaponnadsm:
How to change the video size in to 4:3, the photo is 4:3. It is more than 16:9. Video is coming only in 16:9. In Open Camera, I can change it and the video is clear. How to change it on MIUI Camera and GCam?
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] alexmaisa:
You use ANXCamera when MIUI camera worked flawlessly?

---------- Post added at 11:38 ---------- Previous post was at 11:34 ----------

I used 8.6.0 before and 8.6.1 right now. No problem on camera. I don't use recent button, gestures only.

Did you flash latest firmware before flashing RR?
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] devaponnadsm:
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Sorry, in MIUI Camera also video is less clear than photo. Photo is 4:3. Video is 16:9. When I use Open Camera and change Video also to 4:3, video becomes clear. But changing it is not possible in MIUI Camera, ANXCamera, GCam and other cameras on apps like WhatsApp.
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] neisor:
Awesome ROM. So far it's the best from all the other ones I tried for Redmi Note 8T.

Keep up the good work!
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] DqrKn3Zz:
Dont forget to use 12.0.2 firmware and i recommend to do a clean flash.
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] CheepPlüm:
Thx bro for the best Rom so far!

How i know what Firmware Version i already installed?

Where can i see it?
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] Lardos:
Which firmware do you recommend for willow
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] olivercervera:
Hi and thanks for this great rom!

I am experiencing a way inferior standby/idle time (battery drain) with this ROM compared to MIUI. Is this expected? The rest is great.

A couple of notes:

- I was using MIUI EU which has less crap than official MIUI but no other system changes

- I use this phone as a secondary device, all the time in airplane mode at home and WiFi when used.

- There are exactly the same apps as there were in the previous ROM and since it's a secondary phone there's not much running in background

- Phone stats are ok. No app is using misbehaving

- I have obviously done a clean install. I am an experienced user, If you need I can collect stats with batterystats or accubattery.

PS: The stock camera is a welcome surprise, not because Xiaomi camera is great, but because an historic "loss" of custom ROMs is now gone. It's the first time I see this on a custom ROM.
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] loopypalm:
does anyone knows what are the requirment for "edge lighting" to work ?

lock screen set ? AOD ? ... ?
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] alexmaisa:
Of course you can change it in MIUI camera. Click burger button on right-top corner, then click "Camera Frame". It only worked for photo mode, not video. But you can change resolution and FPS on video. It should be enough, I think.
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] devaponnadsm:
Sorry. But it didn't work. For me, the video is zoomed automatically than photo while Zoom is 1x. Anyway, Open Camera working fine for video.
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] roccaro:
is there a way to show the percentage of charge from dead phone?
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] DemeeX:
Thank you for the great ROM. Keep up the good work, really appreciated.
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] acristescu:
You cannot configure that as far as I know, but we can ask if that would be any chance to implement that in future updates.:good:
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] roccaro:
where can you ask?
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] pbe314:
I flashed V11.0.11.0.PCXEUXM before doing a clean flash of version 8.6.1 and everything is working fine.
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] Wisesa:
Will this rom Support OTA to upgrade from previous RR version ??
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] DqrKn3Zz:
RR 8.6.2 soon (:
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] CheepPlüm:
In 8.6.1 Signal Messenger not Work...

If a call (video/Voice) its Crashing everytime.

In any other Rom there is no Problem (Los,PA...)

Without this Messenger i cant use it as my Daily Driver :(
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] DqrKn3Zz:
Would be possible to grab the crash log and send it to me?
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] xrapidx:
Coming from another custom rom - I've followed the clean install path exactly, but now the phone keeps rebooting straight to recovery?
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] devaponnadsm:
Try formatting data after installing ROM. It will fix your issue. Not Wipe.

TWRP->WIPE->FORMAT DATA-> TYPE yes -> Swipe.

Caution: All data on your device including Internal Storage will be erased permanently.
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] xrapidx:
/facepalm - apparently I can't read. Thanks for the help.
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] :
I have a really important question. Suppose your phone got stolen by a thief and your phone's bootloader is unlocked and also the thief is tech genius. So the now the thief can easily access your data by installing any custom recovery. So is there any way to stop this from happening???
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] acristescu:
Maybe you should let encryption activated. I haven't decrypted my Phone and everytime I enter recovery I need to enter the pin code. Otherwise "Find My Device" can also help if it is activated, because if your phone is still started you could erase it from a computer with internet access.
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] devaponnadsm:
No.

No one can access your data if your device is still encrypted. only keep your device encrypted even if you install a custom ROM and set default USB Config as Charging.

If you have installed GApps, you can use Google Find My Device to remotely erase the device if it is stolen.
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] :
okay. Thanks
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] amitd1998:
Is Nano gapps fine with this rom?

Or it just has to be pico
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] DqrKn3Zz:
New RR build is out!
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] DqrKn3Zz:
Nano package should be fine too
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] OmnioPT:
Changelog please?

Thanks for your work!

PS - Sorry, changelog is on the first post
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] DemeeX:
Does anyone know if its possible to schedule when to use powersaving mode? Like in miui, I would like to activte it each night.
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] devaponnadsm:
If you are rooted, you can use external apps like Macrodroid.
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] indophreaker:
Battery saver scheduler for this time only have based on battery percentage. In my experiences, I dont need powersaving mode while I am going to sleep at night. Quicksilver kernel deep sleep is good enough to avoid battery drain while device inactive.

Or, you can manual switch battery saver on before you go to sleep, thats all.

For better battery backup, I recommend to use bitgapps/nikgapps. I have an issue notification delay using bitgapps. Currently using nikgapps and my personal kernel from Quicksilver source.
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] MagentaColor:
I destroy my UI

Do anyone know how to reset Ressurection tools cfg? (via recovery. I destroy my ui with gif image)
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] nemanjsb:
How to fix this ?
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] DqrKn3Zz:
Its a common bug on all AOSP Q roms, just set again your wallpaper.
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] DqrKn3Zz:
How did you destroyed SystemUI with a single GIF file?
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] CheepPlüm:
I think its Crashing cuz the Gif are Unsupported...