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[Touch Pro, Fuze General] imaginarynumber:
Strangely- when I walked into the store i was asked what price I had been offered. I told the truth but later asked if he would have known if I lied- he replied that he probably would have as he had never seen a subsidy of more than £300 on a handset. Me thinks I could have saved a little more if I had said £70 for example rather than the true £90.

I too am happy with the branding.

The only thing I miss is the screen size of my ameo- hey ho- atleast now i can make calls with out a headset...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] scottytoo:
It appears i need to swallow some pride... All the flirting got me no where. (thankfully no welsh geezer)

Lovely peeps at customer relations but still won't lower cost from £92.75 on 18month contract. Very disappointed.

They won't even price match against vodaphone or O2 who are offering this on a £35 18 month tarrif and i get the device foc. I guess that's a no brainer.

It appears loyalty don't get you goodies.

My gripe is i've had no discounts on tariff since i joined back in 1998, and all i read and see is come along new customer and get money off but go away old loyal dog unless you want to part with more cash.

If i got voda i can choose touch pro, x1 by sony or ipaq messanger all free. my worry is not been able to use it as modem.:confused:
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] HooloovooUK:
Well that's still better than the deal I was offered!

It's a no brainer alright ... stay with T-Mobile. When I checked what I would get with O2 and Vodaphone for £35 per month, it wasn't anywhere near as good as Flext 35 with free WnW. In my opinion none of the other operators can beat T-Mobile tariffs for value for money.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] compact_bijou:
That's the only reason I'm sticking with t-mobile. I'm not a heavy user of HDSPA but I'm a regular user and when I use it, it's usually essential.

I can't be doing with going down the dongle route so until there's a new 12" laptop at a reasonable price with built in SIM slot which can access HD(U)SPA, I'll stick with tethering my mobile as a modem.

*goes back to waiting*
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Basil3:
Went into my local store today. Signed up for 18 month flext 50 contract. Originally said he couldn't drop below £80 for the phone (even pulled out his special bit of paper he's 'not meant to show me' to make it look more authentic).

After a bit of bartering, he offered a free bluetooth headset worth £50.

After a bit more bartering, he offered the handset for £30.

I took it, happy with the phone :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] HooloovooUK:
I'm obviously no good at bartering :-( My store, just like the retentions department, wouldn't budge. Well actually the store just called the retentions department on my behalf, they didn't appear authorised to make decisions on their own.

Maybe signing up the for the higher tariffs like Flext 50 gives you so much more leverage? Assuming you got the 10% off deal, over 18 months you're spending £243 more than me on the tariff, but I only spent £146 more than you on the handset, so I guess it all works out in the end. Over 18 months the most expensive handset with the cheapest tariff is usually the cheapest overall - so unless you actually use the extra allowances of the higher tariff it's a false economy to go for the cheaper handset.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Basil3:
To be honest the only reason I'm on Flext 50 is cos I get friends and family so only ends up costing £25 per month.....
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] HooloovooUK:
Okay well then I don't know why they wouldn't offer me anything better .....
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] dharvey4651:
I posted this same question a little while back(Post #335, 10 days ago) but got no response.

Does anyone here know whether or not this Version will have support for the 1700Mhz T-Mobile 3G?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] imaginarynumber:
not sure but looking through the settings on the UK varioIV only shows

gsm(900+1800) +UMTS(2100)

GSM(1900+850)+UMTS(1900+850)

So I guess that means no- not sure if upgrading the radio will allow it or not
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] dharvey4651:
That's just a let down... I(being a T-Mobile Customer) was hoping that the T-Mobile variation of the Touch Pro would support all of their bands so I could at least get a taste of 3G...

Side note... Can someone please dump the following registry key and all entries within it from an MDA Vario IV and post it back here?

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Comm\RasBook]

I would like to see if it contains AGPS Settings for T-Mobile.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] imaginarynumber:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Comm\RasBook\t-mobile internet ? There are 2 keys DevCfg and Entry

I only have the phm reg and the key is an awfully long binary- if you show me how to then i will post back... far too long to manually copy

regards
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] dharvey4651:
Thanks but now I need 2 different keys dumped off the T-Mobile MDA Vario IV.

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\HTC\SUPL AGPS]

(all entries)

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\HTC\SUPL AGPS\DefaultSetting]

(all entries)

Please use Ce Reg Editor to dump the keys and then upload the CeReg file. That's probably the easiest way to do it.

Thanks.

Dan
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] imaginarynumber:
Hope that this is what you wanted- there is no defaultsetting listed

REGEDIT4

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\HTC\supl]

"ServerPort"=dword:00001C6B

"ServerIP"="10.1.101.XXX" have deleted last part of ip address

"QosPerformance"=dword:00000059

"QoSAccuracy"=dword:00000032

"TimeBetweenFixes"=dword:00000001

"NumberFixes"=dword:3B9AC9FF

"GPSMode"=dword:00000002

"EnableAGPS"=dword:00000000

so agps is off by default?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] StaticPlaya:
I bet it is a compact iv! If it isn't I'll be straight on the phone.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] msuk:
Hi,

I am a business T-Mobile users and MDA Vario 4 has not been released. The compact IV was released yesterday according to customer services.

Thanks

Msuk
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] EViS:
Compact IV was released a few weeks back...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] StaticPlaya:
I've been checking the T-Mobile website for time and it is not up there. The Touch Pro has just been released so hopefully the T-Mobile version should be out quite soon.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] inspectorgadjet:
Not likely

I just rang up T-mobile to see if this was true, and the girl I spoke to checked two systems and the coming soon page and couldn't find it at all. I mentioned that I had heard 'a friend' had managed to order one, but she said it didn't seem likely.

So please let us know what you ended up getting.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] benktlottie:
I also spoke to T-mobile today about the Vario 4. The chap seemed to really know what he was on about (upgrades dept) and even knew about this site! :)

Definately not available yet, he said they normally get the phones into his deptartment to play with pre-release and although he'd heard/seen the reviews for the Pro, T-mobile, to his knowledge, havent given it to them to play with yet. They had the Diamond ages ago, and they've also had the Blacberry Bold but no Touch Pro.

I was reading somehwere (cannot find the link) that Vodafone business customer may get the Pro at the end of the month. Somehow I don't think that'll be correct...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] stunno:
I went into the local Tmobile shop today to see how much they have mucked about with the Diamond, to give me an idea how much they will muck around with the Raphael. The salesman came up asking if I wanted to buy one and I explained why I was there. The rest of the conversation went like this

Salesman: No sir, I think you will find that there will not be a version with a keyboard.

Me: I think you will find that there will. Expansys are selling it today.

Salesman: Ha ha, I don't think so, sir! I have always had Varios but I've just got one of these beauties because there will be no more Varios released

Me: Are you sure you work here?

Just then the manager appears and is asked about the Vario by the salesman.

Manager : Oh yes, I understand it will be out next month

Salesman : You bastard! You told me there wasn't going to be another Vario, and that this was the phone to get!!

Manager (sheepishly): er, I only found out on Saturday!

Salesman : But you said . . . . .

I crept out of the shop at this point as the discussion was getting more heated!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] arifhanid:
LOL !! That's hillarious !! LOL

I would have stayed for more...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sdlopez83:
all these salesman are kept in the dark and with their heads up their arses.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] StaticPlaya:
That was funny! Serves the salesman right for not doing his research and being a jobs worth.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] dom_mitchell1:
Still just getting standard fob-offs

Have just recevied this email response from T-Mobile. Why do they persist in assuming that the people that contact them have no idea of what they want and think they can sell you something else?

Thanks for your email Dominic, about the HTC Touch Pro. It's great to hear from you today.

I'm pleased to hear that you're thinking of upgrading your phone. It's always a pleasure to be contacted by one of our customers.

I'm afraid that HTC Touch Pro model isn't available in our range of phones. I'm not able to say if it will be coming into our range of phones in the future.

I can understand if this is disappointing, but I'm pleased to advise that we're constantly expanding our range of phones. I know it's important to get the right phone for you. We've got some great deals on offer at the moment that you might be interested in. You can view all of our current phones by clicking here.

And you can always call us to talk about what's available. We're here every day from 8.30am to 10pm. Call us on 150 from your T-Mobile phone or 0845 412 5000 from a landline (Landline calls are charged at local rates if you're a BT customer, but if you're with another provider it may cost a bit more so do check).

Thanks again for contacting me Dominic, and I'm sure that you'll be able to get a great new phone soon.

If you've any more questions please feel free to reply to this email or contact us again through our website.

Kind regards

Shelly

Customer Services Email Team

T-Mobile
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] StaticPlaya:
T-Mobile know that there is demand for this phone they just need to hurry up!

But how long did it take T-Mobile to release the Compact IV after the touch diamond? As this could give us a rough estimate of the phone's eta. But I think it will come out end of August/beginning September.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] b0yce:
Precisely the reason I went out and bought the HTC own branded phone instead of waiting for my network (Vodafone) to get the a$$es in gear!

I even phoned up Customer Support a few months back when the Diamond had a UK release date and enquired about the phone being available with them, they had not even heard of it - or their list wasn't updated! Got the normal spiel about "other" phones that may be of interest bla bla bla!

Can't they understand I know what I want and they obviously don't! :D
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] dom_mitchell1:
I have just sent a reply to them explaining that what they are now doing is precisely why I left O2 after being with them for 12 years (through Genie and Cellnet years). O2 messed up big time over the release of the Tytn so I went to T-Mobile to get my Vario II (cheaper data was also a big lure).

I basically said that Vodafone seem to have the acts in gear so give me one good reason why I should take my custom to a company that can at least tell me that the phone I want is "coming soon".

I wish I had the cash to buy direct from HTC!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] StaticPlaya:
I wished that I could buy the HTC branded phone but it costs to much and with the monthly phone bill is not an option for me. Guess we'll have to wait.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jwhitham:
I just spoke to a woman at t-mobile UK and she says the Vario IV will probably be late September / early October. She did say that I should be able to get Expansys to ring them with the RRP of the HTC Touch Pro and offer me the HTC branded version as an upgrade :-) shame Expansys's contract phone dept has been unavaialbe for the last hour and a half...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] IBORGUK:
good luck with that.....
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Digger.:
Had the same problem myself. Couldnt get thru to Contracts, so ordered one anyway. All being well should be with me tomorrow morning.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] StaticPlaya:
Can you get an upgrade through Expansys? I didn't know that I would perfer getting an htc branded version rather than a t-mobile branded one.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ferraripassion:
@£114.99 on a T-Mobile 18 month £35pm contract with 700mins 1GB data and i can't remember how many texts. Which seems quite reasonable to me for what it offers.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] reyjabs:
£114.99 ? or £141.99 :rolleyes:
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] StaticPlaya:
That is tempting but I'll wait for the vario IV to comes out and start bartering with T-Mobile and get a better deal. If not I'll just upgrade with Expansys.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] rjrowe:
I just rang expansys, and the guy point blank said they didn't do T-Mobile upgrades.

I thought they had some super-status with t-mob now? would have thought they would have been more keen
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Mr.Korzonek:
Vario IV in T-mobile NL

I read on https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=649914247781883467&postID=9034710947397462787&pli=1 that Vario IV is now available in T-mobile in this country. So I think this is a sign, that t-mobiles are going to start selling them soon.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] StaticPlaya:
Thanks for that info. It looks like September but the problem is when!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] IceEyz:
Had the Vario IV in my hands today. Definately didn't like it's software style compared to HTC's theme. It also has 256 instead of 288MB of RAM, but HTC's 288 could be 256 + 32 for the graphics.

I kinda liked the backplate though, not very thick, but nice rounded, makes it look thinner. Anyway, I'd take it if it's flashable with stock Roms.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] StaticPlaya:
What else is different with the T-Mobile version?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] IceEyz:
It's mainly the TF3D that's different. It's the T-Mobile white and Pink. All icons are different, portrait and landscape modes.. The Internet-Tab is replaced with the Web and Walk nonsense, but Opera is still on of course. It also felt a bit slow, but that probably had numerous reasons: Had to be turned on and booted up, the already-applied full-coverage transport screenprotector was still on, which probably caused less response on the touchscreen.. (The lady didn't want me to tear it off, she thought this was the real screenprotector..)..

Come to think of it, should have checked the ROM. Anyway, I hope it's not slow because of T-Mobile's efforts on it..

Ow, and the keyboard has indeed red signs instead of green, which I think is not for the better. Green is what our eyes most easily see..

What turned me off the most, was the price.. It's more expensive than buying the Raphael Non-Branded somewhere else. It will go down though, Christmas is coming up :).
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] l3v5y:
That may be because of the ROM version - 32MB of the RAM is from the chipset, hence the odd 288MB of RAM.

It (like everything else) will be flashable usinghard SPL...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] StaticPlaya:
Here is a link to the T-Mobile netherlands page:

Vario IV
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Mr.Korzonek:
Ram in T-mobile Vario IV

So I hope T-mobile didn't cut this chipset from device. But is Vario working as it has a chipset? Can someone check this, please :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] hedgemonstahinz:
Losing patience

I'm tempted to just forget about the vario iv now. I've already got the Ameo 8gb and i might just bite the bullet and go for the 16gb Ameo. I had a play with the touch diamond pro yesterday, and to be honest, i was a little bit "unsure" about it.

There was nothing that blew me away. So its got a flashy home screen and touch capabilities. But nothing that won't eventualy be ported over to the other HTC devices (ok, not including the accelorometers functions)

The Ameo has never failed to draw in a crowd whenever i have pulled it out, to do some remote access to my office pc, or to view youtube, or play my psx emulator..... the list goes on.

In short, if i could of had the Vario iv early july (this is when Tmobile "assured" me it would be released) then i would probably not be picking bones with it, the WOW factor may of drawn me into to a slight fanboy frenzie..... but now ive had time to think.... maybe i want a larger storage on the Ameo.... a phone that (other than its size) has very few faults.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] roblpm:
Bump

Anyone got any idea when the Touch Pro will be available on T-Mobile in the UK. My Hermes is on its last legs, battery lasts about half an hour!!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ice_coffee:
Then buy a new battery and stick the hermes on ebay, you will need the money for when this phone comes out !
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] squiggs1982:
Just spoke to T-Mobile and they say that there still isn't any information available :-(
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] hedgemonstahinz:
RAAAAAA!

Should I wait for the vario iv or just get the compact iv? is the only real benefit of the vario the slide out keyboard and the slightly faster processor?

What phone should i go for (or is about to be released by tmob uk)

I do like the look of the N96 and Sony xperia. But ive been waiting so long for the vario iv i keep putting off any enquiries about other handsets.

I realy dont want to bother just getting the compact iv just to regret it 2 weeks later, but on the other hand i am sick of being fobbed of by tmobile staff that dont seem to know about the future handsets.

Every time i have enquired about the vario iv... some undertrained phone monkey in the upgrade department "assures" me that i am on about the compact iv.

I also had a full blown argument with an upgrade guy regarding the ameo 16gb which is still advertised on the upgrade page, but taken off the main paymonthly page. Apparently they have never had an ameo 16gb.

Tmobile need to understand that they are loosing business due to them not offering information regarding new handsets. Surely it is clever business practice to "hook" the customer with snippets of info. instead they blatently miss inform and argue. Maybe i should consider changing carrier??

God dammit! im still no clearer as to what to do! sorry!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] black14987:
The touch Pro has even more RAM than the Compact IV.

Yesterday I`ve called the T-Mobile Diamond Hotline and asked for the release oft the Vario IV. In germany it will start in the week from the 15-19.09.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] se4me:
T-Mobile Removing Free Evening & Weekend Calls

Hi all, I have also been waiting to upgrade from my Vario III to Vario IV but have been advised that when I upgrade I will loose my free evenings and free weekends, (they will be removing it from everyone as its been heavily used). I have had a contract with T-Mobile since they first started trading as One2One.

Just to advise all those with this benefit to check before upgrading.

I will certainly be changing operator.

Any links for the Raphael on another network with good deals?

Thanks, Chris.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Pantaloonie:
I asked in my local T-Mo shop yesterday, they told me October.

Retentions are supposed to phone me as soon as it is available.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] vasil:
MDA Vario IV is on UK T-mobile dealer price list, but no ETA yet :(
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] se4me:
Do you get free evenings and weekend calls ? if so your going to loose them !
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] itsgreen:
Got my Vario 4 this afternoon :)

Any specific questions?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] aqub56:
Can I ask why please?

Am also currently waiting for Vario 4 (with retentions to phone me) and have free weekends and evenings...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] fil:
what country?

what network?

how much?

what tarriff?

new contract or upgrade?

who did you speak to?

oh if not Tmob and uk, no worried about the other 4 Qs?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Johnston411:
I'm guessing it wasn't a retail purchase?

What rom is on it?

What accessories does it come with?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] IBORGUK:
Interesting, it's not listed on the T-Mobile website.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] itsgreen:
Tmobile

Netherlands

1yr 15e/month subscription + text subscription + internet (+180 for the phone)

Renewel

Local shop

ROM 1.69.114.5 NLD

Date 8/2/2008

Radio 1.02.25.19

The unit itself was packaged August 21st
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] IBORGUK:
That explains the lack of t-mobile.co.uk presence then ! How's the software branding , shocking pink ? What's the Touch Flo 3D performance like ?

Thanks
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Johnston411:
Must be on it's way here soon then. :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] itsgreen:
It is a little too pink for my liking, havent found a way to make the touch flo more hetero ;) But will get used to it...

Touch Flo 3D seems pretty fast, no hickups as of yet. It is a bit awkward at first, but once you get the hang of it, it's nice...

Also in general. the 4 way button around the circle is weird, it is on the outside of the circle. But again once you know it is on the outside of the circle instead of the inside of the circle it's nice :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] IBORGUK:
I'm sure if you search the threads on here or the diamond area you'll find the debranding info you need. Try http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=408650 as a starting point. Good luck with your new purchase and I hope it works out for you !
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ice_coffee:
Just to carry on from what se4me was saying,

T-mobile are now pushing their new flext tarrifs which seem good as you get more mins & texts for the same money, however voicemail is no longer included in your free mins, and is chargeable @ 12p per min :( you do not have to downgrade to the new flext if you do not want, but you will have to pay more for your upgrade phone if you decide to keep it,

For example im on flext 35 and can upgrade to a compact 4 now for free if I take the new flext 35 tarrif, but if I want to keep my old flext 35 tarrif I have to pay £40 for the compact 4
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] chaps:
T-Mo Uk are still denying knowledge that the Vario IV exists for me. Annoying, as it's upgrade time :-/
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ice_coffee:
just call back and speak to someone else
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] se4me:
I was told by a couple of CS and from the upgrade department that if I decide to upgrade I will not keep my free evenings and weekends the only way to keep them is not to upgrade or change my price plan at all.

If anyone has been told different post here so I can call them back.