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[Touch Pro, Fuze General] hedgemonstahinz:
Blatant LIES !!!

I called tmobile uk upgrades yesterday to enquire "again" about the vario 4. I was told that the vario 4 is the compact 4. The upgrade guy called Max assured me that the compact 4 came with a slide out qwerty keyboard. And that the compact 4 was infact the diamond pro!!!

He told me that there was no stock, but he could process the order now to stop me missing out. I told him that he was WRONG and informed him that there could be a chance that "I actually may have slightly more knowledge than him when it comes to HTC handsets"

Confidently he re-assured me that the compact 4 has a qwerty slide out keyboard! And continued to process the upgrade. I asked that once the phone was recieved and i had the chance to PROVE that he was wrong... and see that infact the phone is no more than a compact 4, could i return the phone and cancel the upgrade. "ofcourse you can sir, just dont open the box!!!"

At this point i asked "do you recieve commission for upgrading me today Max?"

"No!" - very doubtfull.

Any way i have called the upgrade department this morning to complain that i feel i had been mislead and sure enough - they say NO QWERTY KEYBOARD!

If we all seem to know that the vario 4 has an ETA of sept-nov, and that the holdup is most likely down to rebranding.... Why do none of the tmobile staff appear to be aware of this! HONESTY, KNOWLEDGE AND CUSTOMER SERVICE USED TO BE IMPORTANT.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] gingerprince:
SO, this phone is now available as the Vario IV in Holland: -

http://www.t-mobile.nl/persoonlijk/htdocs/page/shopping/product/productdetails.aspx?vid=ResidentialProductPostpaidDetails&ProductId=4648

( complete with QWERTY toestenbord - must be some sort of bread cooking addon :P )

So it can't be far away from here, can it?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] kbdirtydjs:
How the hell can Holand have it before Zee Germans??
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] stunno:
I think that's something to do with the heat off the battery. and it's been available in Holland for a week now and its not even on the 'Coming Soon' page on the uk one!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] kbdirtydjs:
Just been on the phone to T-Mobile and spoken to a guy that actually knew what he was talking about!!!!

He said that he there was an email that he got with the phones due for release and it sait to expect the Vario IV at the beginning of October.

And he didnt even try and fob me off with the Compact IV, now theres a good CS Rep!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Mr.Korzonek:
Vario IV in T-mobile Germany

I discovered that T-mobile Germany is going to sell Vario IV. Link to this website: http://www.t-mobile.de/business/allehandys/0,12827,14772-_10093-761-1-0,00.html
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] stunno:
The guy in the Metro Centre Tmobile shop said the same today. It is on their list but not showing any prices yet
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] hedgemonstahinz:
stuff it!

I just got the compact 4 instead. Cant see the point in waiting any longer.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] StaticPlaya:
It is only a few more weeks you should have waited. I don't want to buy a compact IV and then the next time the vario IV is out and I complaining that I did not wait.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] tregba:
patience is a virtue....;)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] hedgemonstahinz:
Compact 4 aint all that!

hhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmm. Maybe is should of waited. The compact iv is a sweet little phone. but i do think your all right! i should of waited. On the flipside though, all im missing is the slide out keyboard and a slightly faster processor.... thats why im keeping the ameo. A big, super massive screen with a big, super massive keyboard for when im at work! and the compact 4 for browsing porn while im down the pub with the lads! . The vario 4 still looks the dogs dangleys!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] StaticPlaya:
I'm guessing that you would not be using the Ameo for porn as it is at work!

But if the compact iv had bigger memory and and a SD card slot I would have gone for it but it doesn't and you have the best of both with the Ameo and the compact iv.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ice_coffee:
This is similar to my setup except I just sold my ameo and got an OQO 01+ and im waiting for a raphael, The OQO is soooooo much more competent than an ameo.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] compact_bijou:
Me too. Then I sold it to some desperado and bought a canon 450D with the proceeds :cool:

I have 2 contracts with t-mobile and the other contract is up for renewal in Jan '09 - I'll have my Vario IV then.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] se4me:
any new's on the release date ?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] flourish:
Just two minutes ago I spoke to T-Mobile Upgrade&Renewal Team...

The consultant said that they have been told to expect the MDA Vario IV handset to be available at the end of September or pushing early October 2008.

I have been able to upgrade since June and am still waiting patiently for the Vario 4..another painful couple of weeks then :cool:

Based on past experience and as advised by CS, the quickest way to get hold of one as soon as it is out is to call up T-Mobile as soon as you see it available on the website, or to just keep calling them every few days.

The T-Mobile stores do not receive sellable phones before the upgrades department know about the release. Although they may receive a tester for the in-store employee's to help them learn its features. This was the case when I got the old MDA compact, but that told me that the handset was already available the day before (due to next day delivery from T-Mobile UK to outlets) and surely enough it was and I called them to order one.

Not surprising that Sales guys in the outlets are not clued up. Infact my local T-Mobile store didn't know what i was talking about when i said "Vario 4". They didnt deny its existence they just said they didnt know when it would be out - probably the safest thing to say :rolleyes:

Everyone still itching to get one of these big daddy Vario's? I know I am
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] kbdirtydjs:
Yup, calling every couple of days.

Still get occasional monkey that tries to get me to buy a Compact IV, so I give them a lesson in what phone is what and that i'll try them in a few days etc...........

The search goes on!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Eriol:
October ... so now I really think it might be worth to wait for this: HTC Touch HD!

Eriol
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] chaps:
Except theres no news that t-mo will cary it yet and if they do it could be several months away.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Mr.Korzonek:
Touch pro - vodafone

It is already in Vodafone UK - http://www.vodafonebusinessshop.co.uk/Details-Phone-HTC-Touch-Pro-3037.html

Price: From Free to £340.43
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Mr.Korzonek:
Touch pro - vodafone

And today they are giving with Monthly cost £29.79, TP for free, and also Bluetooth Headset and Universal Holder. Nice :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] black14987:
Again i`ve talked to the diamond hotline here in germany. They pushed the release date of the Vario IV to the last week of september or the first week of october. Even the Omnia was pushed to the second week of october.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] md2:
I couldn't wait since my old vario II was faulty so got a compact - amazing phone and I still havent had the balls to tweak anything yet.

I am starting to get used to the lack of a keyboard, I use the "compact Qwerty" keyboard which I think works very well, I can usually just bash away at the keys and it comes out with what I wanted. I've even come to a kind of an understanding with TouchFlo.

The only thing I think it really does need more of is RAM as it starts to chug with many things open.

So who knows I may go for the pro and pass this to the wife who has a very old nokia - it looks good, the best looking HTC so far.

until the HD that is...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] stunno:
YOu need to add vat onto that making it £35/month with 600 mins unlimited texts you can also get £100 back through quidco.

I'm sorely tempted! How much of a 'business' do you have to be to qualify?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] fil:
£100 back via quidco didnt know that! very tempted to ditch t-mobile < tho would go for a 12month contract.

whats the data plans on vodaphone?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] flourish:
ok so I know I said that I was waiting patiently but anticipation has gotten the better of me and I have just ordered a Sandisk Micro SD Ultra 8Gb (SDHC) class 6 card

That'll distract me for a while - i hope

Seen lots of reviews on the tube and have just seen a feature i didnt know about...when you forget to turn the handset on silent or meeting and it rings out loud..you can turn the phone over (face down) and it will silence the ringtone! :cool:
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] kbdirtydjs:
Flash the latest HTC ROM from the Wiki and it will be fine. Done my gf's O2 Diamond and my Mums Compact IV. Both now well fast! :D
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lawhead:
Anyone know just how much of a business you have to be? Do I have to provide proof of anything or use a business account or anything?

My T-Mobile contract (2 lines) expires on 12/11 iirc and I want a Touch Pro :D
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] stunno:
I went part way through the ordering procedure before asking the same thing last night. There is a drop down menu stating the type of business and it lists "Individual Business User/Sole Trader" and there is also an "Other"

So the answer is maybe not much of a business. After all I work for a business, but they wouldn't buy me one of these, but I might buy one for myself and use it for my business, so it's a business phone. If that makes sense?

My Tmobile contract runs out on 11/11 and they flatly refuse to discuss upgrades with me before 11/10! Gits! But they did say that I would be contacted by them before 11/10, I presume because I can cancel without penalty on that day. If the Pro is out and they make me an offer I cannot refuse, then I'll take it.

But then again, do I really prefer the Diamond? Aaaarghhh I hate decisions
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] flourish:
Decisions scales for me were tipped in favour of Vario 4 (touch pro), not only by the Keyboard (Realised how much I do use it on my Vario 3 but the Micro SD slot that the Diamond lacks (mainly because I use my micro SD cards to transfer data aswell as storing media).

When I first got my Vario 3, I had various people comment on the size of it but my justification was that I know I have the option to use the keyboard and the only sacrifice is a little pocket space.

An expansion slot is a must for me, as I know what it's like to run out of space on a device and be helpless to the fact that the only solution is to muck about with creating space by moving data back onto my desktop pc.

Come to think of it, buying an MDA without an expansion slot would be like buying a Netbook without a single usb port (thus removing all easiest ways of expanding storage or connecting a CD writer as an alternative)

no offence to any diamond owners but I vote Stunno should go for the touch pro - don't buy the car without a boot/trunk, whether you use it or not, its nice to know you could if you wanted to ;)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Wam7:
Well, I been through the usual round of T-Mobile Customer services reps; non-informed, semi-informed and totally deluded. I get the distinct impression they will find out about a week before they're actually available as this was the case with the Omnia, according to one guy.

My contract is up on in 4 days time so that will be perfect timing to me. I am interested to see what they do about the free evenings etc. but this will only really affect the missus when she upgrades.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] flourish:
Just spoke to T-Mobile and got through to a really helpful advisor and his plan was to call me when the handset is available, very genuine and helpful. If he does manage to call me when it is available I will definitely be sending a positive comment for him to T-Mobile
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] se4me:
My contract runs out on the 27th Sept and was eledgable to upgrade a month previous, I have been informed when I upgrade I will loose my free eves and weekends calls and have to upgrade my flext plan to 18 months I've only had 12 month plans before, also have to pay £140 for the Compact IV couldnt get a price on the Vario IV as its not out yet, normally get free handsets. Ive been with T-Mobile since 1993 One2One days, looks like ill be switching providers !

Anyone gets a good deal post here so I can barter :P
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ice_coffee:
at the moment I have this page opening with my browser

http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/shop/mobile-phones/phones/pay-monthly/t-mobile/mda-vario-iv/overview/

at the moment it is nothing but when the phone is released :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] se4me:
For me just says T-Mobile Ooops, Sorry. We cannot find this page. Please select a different menu option.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] stunno:
There are loads of places with the Diamond free on Orange (I know, but. . .) with an effective monthly price of around £20 after cashback. My contract is up on 11/11 and if they can't beat that then I'm off!

What contract are you on now se4me? I'm on Flext30 with 25% 'loyalty' discount and got the Compact 3 free on my last renewal and was hoping for something similar this time.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] easyrider0:
Weirrd, in the netherlands this model has allready been avail. since the end of august...thats when i got it.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ice_coffee:
Did you not see the bit where I said " AT THE MOMENT IT IS NOTHING ***BUT*** WHEN THE PHONE IS RELEASED :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Black93300ZX:
Apparently he didn't, don't have a heart attack...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Noonski:
Oke i have had enough of this.

Yes "I".

Black93300ZX

I don't know who you are or what your problem is.

If you have any idea of the amount of messages i have had rolling into My E-Mail from XDA the last days.

You would understand that the amount of spam that you haver added alone might have drowsed important messages.

You have been warned on other issues and banned on other issues.

But challenging Site administration and moderators by force has a name i will not use.

GoodbyeBlack, you better apologize to administration, you are out for good.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] alanplum:
Don't make the same mistake I've just done.

I ordered this on Monday, only to find out today that my number gets PAC'ed tomorrow. No sign of phone or SIM, so I've phoned them up and guess what......

They don't have them in stock!!! So now I'm going to have no phone, no sim and more importantly, no number until it DOES come into stock.

F**K Vodafone. They've mis-sold me a product, put my business in chaos as I no longer have a mobile to use. I'm going for legal action.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ice_coffee:
That is alot naughty of Voda, you can cancel though, phone T-mob and tell them to block the PAC
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] alanplum:
Cheers for that.

I'm currently on the phone to Vodafone now. They reckon they can "delay" the PAC until Friday. They reckon they are getting stock of the Touch Pro in tonight.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] gaz@usgermanlawyers.com:
T-Mobile US

Does anyone know if and when T-Mo US will bring the MDA Vario IV? Just could renew my contract and get the discounts. If T-Mo does not have the HTC Touch Pro will they have the Xperia?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] pixelwix:
i wanna buy the t-mobile branded vario iv is there anyway to buy it if i'm in the us?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] se4me:
I'm on Flext 35 with the free eves & weekends, I'm planning on the Touch Pro not the Diamond but wanted to get some idea of allowance I'm getting this year on my upgrade !

If T-Mobile want £140 for the Diamond then they will want more for the Vario IV ! :0

Last year I got the Vario III for free.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] StaticPlaya:
This phone is taking a long time to come out and now HTC have shown the touch HD and I do not know if I should wait for the HD or get the vario iv. This is annoying me as I have been able to upgrade since July.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] hedgemonstahinz:
yeah, im winning!

You may of noticed my origional post in this thread where i pointed out that i thought i had made a mistake getting the touch diamond (compact iv) and not waiting for the vario iv.

Im actually realy pleased with the compact now i have had a play with the vario iv. My mate got his vario imported and when we sat in the pub showing off our slightly simular phones almost every one opted for the smaller sleeker and less geeky compact. If you cant cope with a software keyboard at least pop into a local tmob store and try the compacts on screen attemp. it is very responsive and alot easier to use than any other software keyboard i have used in the past. I realy didnt think i could cope without a hardware keyboard, but now im happily texting with one hand!

As for the touch hd, dont worry, most of the apps and features will most likely be ported to the compact or vario phones anyway. dont forget that these 2 phones already have great support worldwide and the apps and roms being developed now look impressive to say the least.

In a nutshell, i thought i had realy shot myself in the foot by jumping the gun and getting the diamond, whereas in fact im chuffed to bits.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] stunno:
Are you using a stock ROM or one of the ones on here?

Oh, and how is the battery life?

I still cannot decide which one I want, either!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] chaps:
Same here. The Touch HD has really opened my eyes. I'm tempted to see what kind of contract deals expansys do with this handset rather than grabbing a Vario IV when it eventually appears on t-mo.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] hedgemonstahinz:
Im using the stock rom at the moment, for the next month or so anyway. Its important to try the stock before you try a cooked rom, otherwise you never know if the new rom is beneficial or not.

Battery is very impressive. Which surprises me. but i am used to the Ameo which chugs along for reletively short periods.

As i said before, you wont be missing out on too much if you choose any of the new htc touch's - from the compact to the HD. They all have benefits and flaws.... but the concept is simular on all of them and i expect they will all have variants of the same software.

I wont say get a compact for the sake of it... but i would say... why wait for ever... if you go for the vario a week later they anounce the HD. If you wait for the HD they will release another soon after and so on.

I dont regret jumping the gun at all
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] StaticPlaya:
The thing is I have waited this long for the vario iv that I am tempted to wait even longer to see the expansys deals for the touch HD and which networks will be selling this phone. Because I think that all of the networks will be on this one as it is a true competitor to the iphone.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] matzie:
Just spoke to T-mo business support - no news yet on Vario 4.

With their exclusive deal on the upcoming G1/Gphone/Dream, I wouldn't be surprised if they *never* released the Raphael - thinking that the two phones are too similar and would just confuse buyers...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] black14987:
Right now T-Mobile Germany has removed the Vario IV from their Website. This morning it was still there.

/edit

I have spoken with the T-Mobile Diamond Hotline and asked them about the status of the device. I could order him, and the T-Mobile IV is in stock right now. I have to wait til next week, cause my contract will expire at the 30th september.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Mr.Korzonek:
But is it really Vario IV or once again they are trying to sell Compact IV as Vario IV? And if they will have it on stock, so why they removed it from their website? To many questions... :/
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] kbdirtydjs:
Vario IV available from T-Mobile Germany!

http://www.t-mobile.de/shop/handy/0,4855,2963-_10093-0-1-0,00.html
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] andyfield:
Come on T-Mobile UK, we need this phone. I had my Vario III nicked and going back to the vario I is just too painful at the moment!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] aqub56:
Called them today - the rep told me that it's not even on their "coming soon" list :(

She suggested I spoke to Carphone Warehouse if it's available on other networks (ie vodafone) but that I'd I have to "negotiate" to keep my off peak and landline calling.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Variofan:
First post for me :)

I spoke to someone at T-Mobile yesterday and another person today.

Yesterday I had a long talk about whether the MDA Vario IV was even going to be released. The person on the phone was more helpful than most - looked through the upcoming list of phones but said it was not there, offered to give me a call when the phone came in.

He also, crucially, said that they had been given the spec sheet for the phone a while back. Something that they get when a phone is about to be released so that they can gen up on things. He acknowledged that there was a lot of interest in the phone and he himself would look to get it too.

So relatively positive there.

Today, after a look on the net and seeing as how the G1 has been announced and people are worrying about T-Mobile not even bothering to release the MDA Vario IV because they have this 'snazzy' new piece of kit (which I think is still really only Vario I in terms of look and feel), I thought I'd call again.

Got a different person but she was helpful too. She put me on hold and spoke to a tech person and came back and said that the Vario IV was not on the upcoming list but the person she had spoken to would definitely have known if the MDA Vario IV was going to get ditched for G1. She's also calling me when the Vario IV is available.

My contract up on 9 October so have been hassling T-Mobile for the last month about this but I think maybe an announcement this Friday or next (fingers crossed).
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] StaticPlaya:
I giving up on T-Mobile and the vario iv I am interested in the touch hd. I've started to save up for it.

I undetstand what you mean why would t-mobile release a phone that is better than their G1.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] aqub56:
But, if as above, the Vario IV is available with Tmob Germany, surely it will appear here in due course?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] StaticPlaya:
Well they are taking their sweet time. Like I said before I am losing interest in the phone as it is taking a long time and I am considering buying the touch HD offline and get one of those sim only contracts because T-Mobile are annoying me.

Sorry for my anger but this phone is better then the G1. So why so long and why now it looks like it are you going to delay it even more for the G1.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] aqub56:
I totally agree - the problem I have is that I`m not keen to give up my free off peak calling and free landlines deal so am slightly tied to Tmobile and my current contract...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Wam7:
Yeah, I feel for you guys with the off peak calling etc. Stuck between a rock and a hard place. I actually think the Vario IV will be available in October sometime but don't hold me to that. It's been out in NL for a while now so it's surely just a matter of sitting tight.

While I like the Touch HD, especially the screen size, I just don't want to go with out the tactile feel and speed of a proper keyboard.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Mr.Korzonek:
Well, Vario IV is already in T-mobile NL and Germany also(since yesterday - private market) . In t-mobile UK they are trying to test it without result. So I have no idea what is really going on in T-mobile Uk :/
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jamiemag:
Hello All, I'm also hanging around waiting for T-Mobile UK to pull their finger out. If it works in other countries why can't they just rubber stamp the approval here. Getting very bored now and leaning towards the Xperia though as it does VGA video recording. Might be persuaded if T-Mobile give me a great deal on the upgrade though, but from what I hear they are really tight on upgrades.