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[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ice_coffee:
The problem is, by comparison Win mo devices are never as popular in the UK as they are in NL and germany, T-mobile UK always drag their heels when it comes to these devices as they are not a big money spinner, for example the X7510 has just come out on t-mob uk, but it came out on T-mob germany 6 months or more ago, They also try and do stuff like not upgrade their phones from win-mo 5 to win-mo 6 even though T-mob germany already have done it. We are a small niche market and t-mob UK just don't care.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] fxgardes:
Maybe baby ...

Hi all,

FYI I just called these guys, and aimed directly for the "end your contract" operator rather than the "phone upgrade" one . I explained I wanted this phone badly, that I could get it from expansys with a t-mobile uk (!) contract but not as an upgrade directly from them . However when asking how complicated it would be for me to end my current contract and start with a new one from expansys straight away, they told me that THEY WERE EXPECTING THE HTC TOUCH PRO last quarter of 2008 " so something like december" .

I someone could ring up these guys to try to confirm this ...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] aqub56:
That's bad news for me as I`m not really prepared to wait another 3 months :( Guess I`ll loose the off peak calling and go to Vodafone if this turns out to be true....
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] andyfield:
I want / need a timescale in the next week or two. My Vario 1 is continually rebooting during phone calls and I can't cope with that. Failing that its Vodafone time and awesome signal strength enjoyment. Do they have good HSDPA coverage like T-Mobile in the south east / London?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] roblpm:
Also posted in other thread,

By the time T-mobile bring this out we will be on to the next generation of phones!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Any reasons to not go Vodafone, might work all the way along the M8 too??!!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] roblpm:
I'm so weak, just called T-mobile for my PAC code, they reminded me I'm on F&F half price line rental and dropped the other phone on my account by £15 a month so I'm still with them!!

Still no due date. Offered me the Diamond but I need a keyboard, aargh!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] aqub56:
Is that with no change to your current contract? Thanks.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] roblpm:
Yep, no change to contract. Second phone is due off contract in feb 09 so i said if you change the tarriff does that mean another 18 months. She assured me not. Also I can roll my half price tarriff over with a new phone apparantly. Obviously keen not to lose customers. All ideal apart from reception is pretty poor in scotland! Was thinking of trying vodafone so i can actually talk to people on the thing!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] fxgardes:
Hi there,

anybody got a chance to confirm the december date with t-mobile uk yet ?

Cheers
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] andyfield:
When I spoke to them this morning they still had no date in mind. I'll be ordering my touch pro on Vodafone + getting my code to transfer this week.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] SlyTuk:
I was told yesterday to wait till the 15th Oct for the VarioIV.

Basically my Vario3 usb port is f*ked and an assistant said I shouldnt claim on the insurance until the 15th as then I would be given the Vario4, and not the compact.

SlyT
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] andyfield:
If USB is knackered then surely you can't even charge it!?!?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] black14987:
Yesterday I have ordered an Vario IV at T-Mobile germany and today it should be shiped.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mrchris:
You ordered it shipped to the UK? Was this as an upgrade or did you have to pay full price?

Also, was this by calling or on a web page somewhere on t-mobile's site?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] fxgardes:
15th october ? sounds like great news ... fingerscrossed then, thks for the info !
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] black14987:
nope. Shipped to my hometown in germany. :-)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Pantaloonie:
Well I've got sick of waiting, and bought one off contract from Expansys.

Now to speak to T-Mo's retentions dept and see how badly they want to keep me as a customer...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Claire DC:
I've seen information that says they will release it but nothing more.

'G2: HTC Touch HD may be T-Mobile's next Android phone'

http://www.phonedog.com/cell-phone-...-hd-may-be-t-mobile-s-next-android-phone.aspx

Vario IV not out til end of November.. I've been dealing with a lady in the directors office at head office (and blogging it) and it was originally 1st October (today) but has since been put back. I very much doubt that they still have it in testing but more that they want to clear as much stock of the Vario III as possible before releasing it, which could also explain the lack of information being given out both in person and on the website as some people may hold off getting the 3 if they know the 4 is coming soon!?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] dom_mitchell1:
Touch Diamond/Touch HD

I don't know what to do now; I was going to upgrade to a Vario IV as a simple matter of course from my Vario II. I've got that running TF2D now with the soft keyboard from the Diamond to see how I get on with it not having a hardware keyboard.

I'm not so sure I have such a great need of a hardware keyboard as I thought; you can bash out emails/short word docs quite easily without the hardware. Longer documents are a bit more of a hassel but it's not like I do that very often.

All of which leads to me to think "Sod waiting around for the Vaio IV, just go for the Compact IV". But then the Touch HD/HTC Blackstone gets announced and I'm all of a quandry again. The keyboard will only be better with the larger screen real-estate and the thing looks even more gorgeous than the Diamond.

Do I want to start the waiting around process again for a phone that currently has no carrier information whatsoever?

What do people reckon? Have you been seduced by the Touch HD? Anyone with any inside track on T-Mobile specific details regarding its release? (Sorry if this is taking things slightly OT).

Damn I wish I could afford to buy direct from HTC/Expansys/Clove! Stupid Law School fees!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Claire DC:
Haha I know what you mean.. I am so confused and almost tempted to just get the Samsung Omnia and have done with the whole damn thing.

I just don't want to be stuck on a contract with a phone I don't like.

Also tempted to go to Vodafone and get HTC Touch Pro on contract over there.. by the way you don't need to get it as a business customer.. but only if you do it over the phone, which means you lose out on quidco but maybe they'd give you some credit on your account or something instead if you asked nicely?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] alanplum:
I see T-Mobile are stocking the Nokia N96 now so it must be an HTC problem why the Vario IV is delayed.

I gave up on Tmo and went to Vodafone and I have to say the switch from my Diamond to the Touch Pro was a good one. I love it.

P.S> I went via Quidco and went through Business. I just put other for business :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] chaps:
This is very depressing indeed. I hope it's not true. I'd be tempted to grab an omnia myself, but there are too many negatives - the lack of support from this website being the main one.

I'm also tempted to see what deals Expansys do for the Touch HD on T-Mobile contracts. It's a shame I cannot upgrade through Expansys as I don't fancy signing an 18month contract.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] andyfield:
Alan: How do you find it compares? Did you have a vario before, HSDPA speed good in Bristol?

Cheers
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] handsomedog:
Just spoke to T-Mobile cancellations dept to request my PAC. Was told the Vario IV is showing as a Q1 handset now, so it's unlikely to be released this year :mad:

To keep me, I got a six month discount on my bill with the ability to cancel or upgrade at any time. Guess I'll see what other phones come out for Xmas...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] alanplum:
Best decision I made ever with the phone. I had the Diamond (a.k.a Compact) and I really did enjoy it but the TP is soo much better.

Vodafone in Bristol is OK. Where I work though is right next to a T-Mob mast (I can see it out the window) so HSDPA was excellent. Voda not as good, but it works.

No regrets.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] andyfield:
Good stuff. I've just cancelled my T-Mobile contract and starting with Vodafone, hopefully phone should arrive Tuesday or Wednesday. Looking forward to it. Most of the time reception has been ok but there's a few spots at work where I got no signal and I know vodafone is ok.

You had a good result having the mast outside in terms of signal strength! Can't wait to get my new phoone!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] alanplum:
First thing you wanna do is Hard-SPL it and get rid of the sh***y VF ROM. It's crap. I use RomeOS 1.12 and it's perfect. Very stable.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Trader97:
Just spoke to retentions to get my PAC code. The lady I spoke to was really charming, and very honest. She told me that they had in excess of 600 Vario 3 in stock, and were barred from supplying the Vario 4 till they were nearly exhausted. She didnt think this would be this side of Christmas. Annoyingly, she told me they had received stock of Vario 4 and they were showing on her system, but she could not access one to issue it.

Hey ho, off to Vodaphone shop tomorrow to haggle on extras .....:)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] andyfield:
Thats the first time I've heard that one, especially in number terms. Truthful but shameful....

Vodafone business tariff signed up via quidco gets you £100 cashback, bluetooth headset + in car cradle.....

Wouldn't suprise me if they were holding off to help promote the G1 Android phone as well.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] chaps:
That's outrageous! Very shoddy indeed of t-mo.

Now, do I wait for a Touch-hd from Expansys (on contract), or go to Voda for a TP? I notice though that Vodafones 12month business contracts don't include internet access :(
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] fil:
ah crap 600 in stock of vario 3s!!!!!

and they have 4s but wont sell them, bad business, as above just lost one customer, im sure many will follow, T-mobile you jokers sort it out!

On another note, my vario 3 upgrade was 100 quid last year, to upgrade to a vario 3 now they want........150 ?

just rechecked err its now £230.00 for a vario 3
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] aqub56:
Mine too - up to £230 on a £42.50/month contract (when Voda have the Touc Pro for free on £35/month). Are they *trying* to lose customers?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] chaps:
Just to confirm what's already been said - I phoned t-mo upgrade dept today to ask about the vario 4. The CS rep told me that she expected the phone to be available at the end of this year at the earliest, but most probably at the beginning of next year.

Looks like i'm going to be taking a trip to my local Vodafone store!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] aqub56:
I called retentions today and she had no release date scheduled! Gave me £10 off my monthly line rental with no strings attached whilst I decide what to do...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Pantaloonie:
Looks like I made the right decision to not wait and buy from Expansys.

I had to pay out £482, but my monthly bill from t-Mo has gone from £37 to £15 - and that's for 2 lines, web & walk on one of them.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] andyfield:
Fair play, that is a pretty tasty deal you have there!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ice_coffee:
amazing I was pressing for that exact deal on my £37.50 per month contract and they would not budge, they said the best they could do was an aditional £5 off if I signed up to another 18 month contract but did not take a new phone, or the £10 off for 6 months but then I would have lost the permanent £5 off I was already getting, I signed in-store with Voda this morning

24mth contract

£30 per month for 750 Xnet mins 250 texts and unlimited data (phone = £ free)

+ I got a free nokia headset worth £30 + a free pay as you go sim

It's almost like t-mob dont want their customers anymore
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] StaticPlaya:
I just called them too got the same deal. Thanks for the heads up! Hope the phone comes out so that I can haggle again. :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ice_coffee:
all of you do realise that based on the price of the compact 4 T-mobile are going to be charging a lot more than Voda for this deal, you guys should defo check out what Voda instore will do for you.
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[Samsung Galaxy S20 / S20+ / S20 Ultra Questions & ] relax24:
Hi, apologies for starting a new thread on this. I've asked the questions but can't get a definitive answer so hoping this will help me and other prospective buyers.

I have 2 options. Buy from wondamobile and get the HK version (TGY csc) or buy from T-dimension and get the Taiwan version (BRI csc)

Both are dual sim 128gb. However I want to be able to use both an sd card and a 5g sim. I'm seeing reports that even after the latest firmware update, you can only get 5g if you put the sim in sim slot 2. Is that true because I wouldn't get it if I can't add an sd card as 128gb is nowhere enough space and I don't like saving my pics to the cloud and my WhatsApp media folder just grows and grows as I like to keep old stuff.

So really:

1) can I use both sim slot and sd card and still get 5g here in the UK (EE). I've checked and the 5g band n78 is what ee use so it will pick up the 5g signal

2) does it matter which version I get, hk or taiwan?

3) even though wondamobile say volte and WiFi calling won't work, I think with the latest update they do work. Is that right?

4) is t-dimension OK to buy from?

Thanks!
[Samsung Galaxy S20 / S20+ / S20 Ultra Questions & ] films123:
So I bought from t-dimensions via eBay (G9860). They are based in HK so u assumed I would get the HK version, however I got the BRI version. As people have said in other threads, there's no option to select 5g on this model as there is no 5g in Taiwan yet.

I changed the CSC from BRI to TGY using Sankey using a guide on this forum - was relatively simple process and didn't wipe my phone - I can now select 5g for both sim 1 and sim 2 - whether I can actually get 5g I don't know. While passing through a 5g area, I didn't catch a 5g reception, only 4g plus (I'm on a Vodafone 5g tariff) so I'm not entirely sure. My Vodafone SIM was in sim 2 tray.

Also both Google pay and Samsung pay work. For Samsung pay, when signing up you have some Chinese writing, but after that it's all English and you can add UK cards to your account. You will see a Chinese banner with HK ads thou.

WiFi calling works for me, volte doesn't appear to despite it being selected.

Not really answered your questions, but hopefully my experience is helpful
[Samsung Galaxy S20 / S20+ / S20 Ultra Questions & ] relax24:
That helps a lot! How was your experience with t-dimension in terms of delivery. I heard they also ask for ID which I'm hesitant to send to China lol.

Interesting about the 5g too. I'll need another person to share their experience in relation to it working. I know I read one guy on here say it only works in sim 2, but they never mentioned if the option was also there for sim slot 1 and that they selected it but didn't pick up anything. 5g can be dodgy so who knows.

Samsung pay and Google pay I don't use anyway so fine with that not working. I think the same guy mentioned volte worked on ee... Again I dunno which sim slot or if it matters, or if you need a base hk model like his. Is there any reason why you have yours in sim 2 by default?
[Samsung Galaxy S20 / S20+ / S20 Ultra Questions & ] films123:
So they didn't ask me for any ID - the only issue I had was that I ordered the cosmic black version and they messaged via eBay that they don't have it in stock and would I like either grey or white instead. I asked how long for the black and was advised they don't know so if I want black they would rather refund than hold the order... I decided to go for white - actually glad as it looks quite nice and not had a white phone before. It took a week to arrive - they used DPD. No tracking available until in the UK which got me abit worried, but as soon as it showed up in Manchester, DPD delivered it the next day. Btw I didn't have any customs or tax charges either.

From what I read on trustpilot it's sounded like they only asked for ID if your delivery address was different to your PayPal verified address. Again, I ordered via ebay and PayPal so maybe that's why I didn't get asked for ID.

My primary number is in sim 1 and sim 2 had my simo which I use for data. No other particular reason for that order, that's just how I had it in my last phone (OnePlus 5t).

Only other thing to add is that if 5g is selected for sim 2 and then try and select it in sim 1 I get the message ' if you change sim 1 to 5g, sim 1 will be used for mobile data' and then sim 2 changes to 4g - so you can only have 5g selected for either sim 1 or sim 2, not both at the same time.
[Samsung Galaxy S20 / S20+ / S20 Ultra Questions & ] *Detection*:
Any reason those two shops are your only options?
[Samsung Galaxy S20 / S20+ / S20 Ultra Questions & ] relax24:
Those are 2 I've seen mentioned by people. There's a user on ebay also selling for much cheaper than either but I'm not sure how safe it is buying from ebay
[Samsung Galaxy S20 / S20+ / S20 Ultra Questions & ] relax24:
Appreciate the detailed reply! Oddly enough I can't even find t-dimension on UK ebay. I have found a random seller called bestbuy263 or something selling for £630

Re the sim 1 sim 2 stuff, I would only have 1 sim as I need sim 2 for the micro sd
[Samsung Galaxy S20 / S20+ / S20 Ultra Questions & ] *Detection*:
Why not buy from a reputable store like The Carphone Warehouse?

Then you get a warranty, and know it will work on 5G

NO way would I buy from some foreign website or ebay for something that expensive, ebay you will lose your money if it breaks, and quite possibly with those online sites too, the wondamobile one already says they are unsealed because they had to activate them before shipping, I wouldn't be accepting a £1k device that had already been used / possibly refurbished, possibly IMEI stolen / blocked

Spend the little extra and buy from the UK, and not ebay/amazon, buy it new from a good rep store
[Samsung Galaxy S20 / S20+ / S20 Ultra Questions & ] relax24:
Because carphone warehouse is a UK company and only sells the UK version I.e exynos variant. And I don't want the exynos because they've borked it
[Samsung Galaxy S20 / S20+ / S20 Ultra Questions & ] films123:
So the eBay trader ID they used is 'skytrade19' but had all the blurb of t-dimensions. Also I got emailed a t-dimensions invoice afterwards with 'skytrade19' listed as sales agent. The item id was 153876284501 - I can see it in my transaction history, but looks like the listing has ended.

T-dimensions does have a store on eBay.com.au - item id 392790145906 will bring up the listing for the g9860 in white. Converting the price from AUD to GBP works about about £660. I'd message them and ask if they are willing to list on eBay UK if your keen on buying from them on eBay.

I haven't bought like this before but wanted the Snapdragon model like you. I liked the idea of ebay and PayPal protection together so took the gamble and bought it. I used PayPal credit as well so should have section 75 protection for my purchase (which I wouldn't have if I used PayPal with a credit card) - see mse forum for details on the section 75 stuff.

Anyway it worked out for me overall, that's all I can say.
[Samsung Galaxy S20 / S20+ / S20 Ultra Questions & ] *Detection*:
No they haven't, mine is the Exynos version and it is fine, this last update fixed the only issue I had with it and that was a delay taking selfie photos with the front facing cam, now it's instant

I've been talking to a guy who exchanged his Exynos S20U for the Snapdragon version and he says the only improvement is it doesn't get as hot during game-play, but videos and selfie photos are worse

Don't listen to the SD owners hating on the Exynos, and likewise vice versa, and if I was going to import a SD model from anywhere it would be the US, not Asia
[Samsung Galaxy S20 / S20+ / S20 Ultra Questions & ] west2cool:
The last update that was released for BRI with July patch has also activated 5G so there is no need to change csc to TGY if it was originally BRI.
[Samsung Galaxy S20 / S20+ / S20 Ultra Questions & ] relax24:
Will it work in sim slot 1 though...
[Samsung Galaxy S20 / S20+ / S20 Ultra Questions & ] west2cool:
Just need someone to check
[Samsung Galaxy S20 / S20+ / S20 Ultra Questions & ] relax24:
Oh I thought you had a Taiwan model g9880 ultra as opposed to plus
[Samsung Galaxy S20 / S20+ / S20 Ultra Questions & ] west2cool:
Both.
[Samsung Galaxy S20 / S20+ / S20 Ultra Questions & ] west2cool:
Sent the G9880 back as didn't like the size and got G9860 in white.
[Samsung Galaxy S20 / S20+ / S20 Ultra Questions & ] relax24:
Oh so can you not check yourself if 5g works on sim 1 slot is what I mean? Or am I missing something?
[Samsung Galaxy S20 / S20+ / S20 Ultra Questions & ] west2cool:
Would involve driving 30 min.
[Samsung Galaxy S20 / S20+ / S20 Ultra Questions & ] relax24:
Ahhh that makes sense lol!
[Samsung Galaxy S20 / S20+ / S20 Ultra Questions & ] carlos67:
I have the Wonda Mobile hong kong version G9810 S20 5G and both volte and wifi calling work. Also, when I put the EE sim into slot 1 it also shows 5G available as in slot 2. However, I've not yet been in a 5G enabled area to test if the phone actually picks up 5G. It doesn't seem to offer 4G+ though, just 4G.
[Samsung Galaxy S20 / S20+ / S20 Ultra Questions & ] relax24:
That's annoying that you may not even get fast 4g speeds let alone 5g! My ee 4g gives me close to 250mb in certain areas. Perhaps this isn't an issue on the Taiwan csc as it has carrier aggregation
[Samsung Galaxy S20 / S20+ / S20 Ultra Questions & ] carlos67:
I suppose I could flash the BRI csc now that it has both 5G and also carrier aggregation ??

What would you recommend?
[Samsung Galaxy S20 / S20+ / S20 Ultra Questions & ] relax24:
Haven't a clue mate! That's why I started this thread. It's all very confusing, I don't know why they do this.

You could always use samkey to change the csc to BRI and then see if it helps. You can change back if it doesn't work. Apparently it doesn't wipe your device either.
[Samsung Galaxy S20 / S20+ / S20 Ultra Questions & ] films123:
I can get 4g+ on my g9860 on CSC TGY (changed from BRI). I'm on Vodafone though, not EE. Maybe it's carrier dependent?
[Samsung Galaxy S20 / S20+ / S20 Ultra Questions & ] west2cool:
Just to let you all know there is currently 2 firmware available for G9860 as per the attached screenshot. The top one is the BTS Edition firmware which I have flash as I thought it was another update. You will note the difference due to the csc file name.
[Samsung Galaxy S20 / S20+ / S20 Ultra Questions & ] films123:
Is there any difference in terms of features between the 2 firmwares?
[Samsung Galaxy S20 / S20+ / S20 Ultra Questions & ] west2cool:
BTS firmware has BTS boot screen and 2 BTS apps haven't checked anything and quickly reinstalled the other firmware back.
[Samsung Galaxy S20 / S20+ / S20 Ultra Questions & ] films123:
Ah ok - thanks

I just searched and realized the 'BTS edition' was linked to a Korean pop band... ?
[Samsung Galaxy S20 / S20+ / S20 Ultra Questions & ] west2cool:
Yep. Just launched in a few countries so far.

https://www.sammobile.com/news/galaxy-s20-plus-bts-edition-launched-vietnam/
[Samsung Galaxy S20 / S20+ / S20 Ultra Questions & ] relax24:
Any 5g on sim1 checks yet? *hopeful bump*
[Samsung Galaxy S20 / S20+ / S20 Ultra Questions & ] Pascal536:
Yes, i have 5G on both SIM 1 and 2, also i have put a 256 Go SD card in place of SIM 2
[Samsung Galaxy S20 / S20+ / S20 Ultra Questions & ] relax24:
Thanks! Which model and csc base have you got?