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[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Nuri58:
Let's agree you can return anything bought over the Internet within the 14 days if not satisfied. But the TD it sold as a smartphone which has a capability of playing music and nowhere giving the idea this is its main feature - that's your wish. As far as I recall you couldn't return the Pentium PCs nor many of the other PCs with various HW/SW issues, because they all have some sort of bugs. Even the dead pixels on flat screens does not qualify execpt when you have bought the class A+ where they guaranty no dead pixels within the first 2 years.

PS I am not saying I am thrilled about it either, but since I mainly use it on flights, in flight mode, the issue seems less bad. The GPS lag on the other hand drives me crazy.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Monty Burns:
It doesn't have to be a main feature. It only has to be a feature. This is no diferent to an Iphone and would you accept an Iphone that could not play music properly? Please enlighten me as to what the stereo headphones are for, i'd really like to know if its not for music.

Please feel free to accept substandard goods, I however, will continue to return poor equipment where I have the right.

Did you know you only have to pay what you think a meal is worth in a restaurant not what its marked up as? I bet not! Kids (me waaay back then) got taught the Sales Of Goods Act in school, sadly its not taught any more .... which is why rubbish like this happens. Had I of got this phone from a shop and discovered this issue it would of gone straight back..... my bad for using a foreign ebay supplier i guess:rolleyes:

Tbh, i really dont care anymore. This phone played up again today lagging horribly right in front of someone who was tempted to buy one and I was showing him. Maybe the best timing ever? Saved him a few quid! For me, this is going in the bin as soon as the Asus Galaxy is released. It was so bad, I went airside at work today (Terminal 5) and almost spent £600 on the new N96 that was released today.

HTC..... never f*&king again... :mad:

Thanks XDA-Dev forum, your all trying to make the best of crap phones. Good luck to all and enjoy your hobby! Im outa here......

edit: BE VERY WAREY of flight mode for WinMob. I turned my G900 to flight mode on a flight, got to the destination and found an SMS waiting ON THE PHONE from the new operator ... it was still in flight mode!!!!!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Nuri58:
iPhone has made it an iPod with phone feature, that's quite a difference - HTC has never been that to date. And for the TD Headset it's sub standard when it comes to music playing - far from Hi-Fi so a perfect match to the lag. I bought another headset along with the phone and only tested the original recently (and was I right?).

I haven't experienced receiving anything in flight mode (and I do fly quite often). Anyway, that's of little concern as the major issue is overloading the ground network below 3,000 m altitude and various legislation depending on where you fly vis-a-vis where the aircraft is registered.

Mind you i did not say I accept sub-standard goods and if I wanted a high quality music player or a good camera for that matter I wouldn't go for a phone in the first place at least surely not HTC (why haven't you complained about the camera as it's relatively poor as well - my guess because your major concernis not photo making)? I could also complain about the poor antenna with no reception whilst most phones out there stil will pick-up a signal.

A piece of advise never buy a Media Center for music/video/TV replacement if you're not willing to accept quite some bugs and crashing in the middle of your favorite show, not to mention that it does not support all subtitle standards, so in certain countries you lag subtitles, despite being advertised replacement of all your HiFi boxes. This is not so different from a multi purpose phone replacing camera, mp3 player, gps etc.

That you don't want HTC again is not my concern, but I understand you if what's your priority is something not really working - I would take the same attitude.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Monty Burns:
actually, i have built a media center that blu-ray and HD disks in excellent quality on a 46" 1080p LCD. ***** to setup but once I did, no issues what-so-ever. If you need advise with bugs, check out this forum.

I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this but, I will continue to urge people in the UK who are covered by the Sales Of Goods Act and the Distance Selling rules to return this phone if the music issue is big to them, they have every right. Not sure about rules where you are but here, in the UK, the consumer is very well protected.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] jay_zhead:
Please stay on topic people. Let's not turn this into another Diamond vs. iPhone debate. Plenty of those around, go and vent there.

Someone said HTC is releasing a new ROM; this is good news and I'm gonna wait and see what it has to offer. If the Touch HD podcast found on youtube is anything to go by, they might have cracked it. If features pretty much the same hardware as the diamond, but TF3D is very responsive and quick compared to our devices... and that's with a lot more pixels to compute, so presumably the diamond with that software version should be even quicker. If the new ROM they'll release for the diamond will bring it up to that level of responsiveness and fix the music lag - I'll stick with it. If not... I'll ditch the Diamond and get something different.

But this looks like is has a lot of potential.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aiw5PsQ50Uc
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Monty Burns:
please try and read properly rather than skim, then you would see our posts are nothing of the sort and are very much ON topic.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Nuri58:
My media centre also works - but then again several min. from switching on to get a picture is a bit beyond my patience and the ever for no reason blocking of TV signals meaning I have to reset stations and then sort the program list every then and again. And the never correct tv guide. Well this discussion belongs in another thread.

We do agree to the extend that one should return things not living up to expectations within the allowed 14 days - I do too:). The legal stuff we do not control and to get money back beyond the 14 days is quite hopeless as advanced technology never is bug free, so if it works to the expectation level of who ever deciedes this concequently you cannot complain:confused:. Actually I got a full return for a 2 years old media centre due to tuner/subtitle problems and also my 2 years Mio A701 after 3 repairs over 6 months where the supplier agreed it had been too long:).

PS. I still don't get how you got to believe that HTC would really deliver a music phone, although better today than before, which also goes for the camera. Well maybe you can try out the THD when out November and let us know:D
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] ede77:
Sorry, but Diamond HD is not interesting for me! I like my Diamond! Please - ON TOPIC!!!

I think too, if it is possible to change this issue with another ROM, then it is not hardware Problem! But what is different (for Sound issue) for Example by SwiftBL 6.5 and SwiftBL 7.0?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Monty Burns:
so its not possible to work around a hardware problem with software? really? Try looking up the old Pentium processor floating point issue.

And btw, if someone has "change this issue with another ROM", do you mean they have fixed it???? If so, do share your secret!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] ede77:
Ok, but it's possible to change it! Then, maybe, it is possible to fix it!? I think we should work in this way - HOW it is possible and what is different - there is solution!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Nuri58:
OK - I just hoped you could be the guinea pig on the THD:) Often work around HD issues often is done by tweaks to the SW. The differnt cooked ROMs seem not to eliminate the issue, but hopefully HTC will fix it in their up-coming update.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] wired69:
There is a lot of talk of fixed MP3 lag on the new Wild Berry ROM by AlphaZero and Swtos: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=429682

But to be honest, I really can't be arsed at the moment to test another ROM as I went through a period of flashing a new ROM almost daily . With the exception of the MP3 playback issue, I am very happy with my current ROM and all the tweaks and apps I have applied.

I think I have done my part for the cause so.... if anyone is willing to give this new ROM a try and report back with your findings, I am sure we will all be grateful :D

If you are willing to take the plunge, could you please ensure that you test MP3 playback with at least one other MP3 player (Windows Media, Pocket Player, TCPMP or Core) as well as the TouchFlo MP3 Player?

Cheers
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Monty Burns:
Hey Wired

you have indeed! Efforts appreciated, thank you!!! :)

I would volunteer but, as I'm about 3 days from dumping my Diamond in the bottom of a box of old or useless (guess which category this is in?) tech bits box, I won't bother either.

I would add though that the current swiftblade v7 I am using is actually pretty good. I have only used TF3D's player and it no longer chops random songs off and the pause/lag only occurs for a fraction of a second - almost useable!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] wired69:
Well I'm sure you wouldn't mind testing Wild Berry before dumping your phone then ;)

I am also currently using SwiftBlade v7 and it is the best ROM I have used so far. For MP3 playback, there is still lag but not as much as other ROMS and for everything it is great.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Nuri58:
It's fun. It seems with time it's improving. My experience is that after the first three songs the issue is alomost not there. And that's on the HTC 1.93 ROM. Hoever I have just hard reset my phone for other reasons and reloaded an old back-up so I have not testet it since. I wonder what's going on since it seems changing over time without I do anything but use the phone. Something makes me think it's due to the processor's 100% loaded. Anyone in the know of a program to monitor the processor load like the one in Windows?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] wired69:
It is not CPU load, I use Pocket Player and have monitored CPU usage, even if I am playing high bitrate MP3s or even FLAC files it rarely goes above 1% CPU.

There must be something very low-level such as a driver problem causing this issue, either that or crap hardware!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Nuri58:
It could be something else taking up resources - what about page memory or the like? I guess we shall never get the answer. What sw are you using for monitoring the CPU usage?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] wired69:
I was using dotfred task manager, available on these boards. As you can see from one of my earlier posts, I disabled everything I could (TouchFlo, Radios, Services, Processes and Notifications) and it still lagged.

I might try a couple of new ROMS tomorrow as I found the issue to be quite bad on the way home today.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Nuri58:
Thanks - tried it for a while noting that AudioManager varies between .23 - 7%, but did not encounter a lag yet. Shall try again later.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Monty Burns:
Which is EXACTLY what I have been suggesting from the very start and why, if its crap hardware, HTC would be VERY reluctant to admit its a problem - imagine the warranty department being swamped!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Nuri58:
As it is not sold as a music player they would not have a major problem but the complaints, trust me. And is it HW problem a workaround would be found in that case just like with the first Pentium PCs. But one thing is to suggest crap HW another to actually confirm it. We can agree it anoying and hope the HTC November ROM will fik it along with the GPS lag and another few issues reported.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Monty Burns:
quite frankly, no. First, are you from the UK? Second, were you taught the Sales of Goods act? If you can answer yes to both of these then I will be happy to have a discussion with you on this subject, otherwise I'm fed up with foreigners trying to tell a UK citizen there rights on purchases in the UK which ARE covered by the Sales of Goods Act which, I was taught extensivley in school.

Simply put. It has a function that does not work. If your DVD player had a built in sound equalizer BUT the EQ did not work, would you keep it? Its not its primary function but it IS a function that does not work. Would you keep the phone if you could not browse the web or it kept getting disconnected? I have had and will continue to return equipment that does not work as specified.

And all I have ever said, having an extensive assembler background, is that it COULD be a hardware issue. Not a single one of anyone on these forums has been able to conclusivley rule this out.... not a single person.

From the HTC Website:

and ...

taken from the HTC OFFICIAL PRESS RELEASE:

press release

It may have poor sound quality but, thats the sacrafice you pay for "convergence" and compact size. If you want proper sound quality, get a portable dedicated MP3 player like a creative, archos or Ipod, not a converged device.

If anyone thinks this isn't a "music phone", then please, tell me what Mars is like!?

edit: I personaly think HTC would be highly insulted by anyone claiming its not a "music phone" after the time and effort they put it to ensure it does play music.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Monty Burns:
In fact, let me help anyone who may not know the UK sales of goods act with a few points:

Source

think that should just about clear it up.

and just in case it didn't here is the act
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] nunoleite46:
OMG, i have the same problem here Original ROM 1.93 EN

Any solutions?:(
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Nuri58:
Good idea to post the act. The challenge is "satisfactory quality". Of course if someone proved a HW problem that HTC admitted and that it is supposed to be a full fledged music player etc. etc. it would be another matter. If things could be employed that easy (almost) all mobile phones would be subject for refund after up to two years because of their camera quality, which is well below what you'd expect from a full fledged camera. The thing is you don't as it's just a mobile phone. And HTC never was known for high sound quality, although improving. What annoys me more than the music lag (which does annoy me but not enough to change phone) is the FM radio which is quite useless due to the noice it adds to the music as move around. Not to mention using it as a speaker phone. I also don't think that either qualify for legal suits (and also doesn't make me change phone for now). Anyway you use your right within the first 14 days to return the device for a full refund. In the end of the day you'll have to find a better alternative and omit HTC if you want high sound quality.

PS - look at how many of these cases have been tried and rejected. Dead pixels in flat panels, hundreds of computer issues even the known Pentium flaw did not qualify, and so on. If it is as easy hard reset the TD and turn it in for repair - after three attempts to rectify you can get your money back (asuming they will not succeed.) And even if you bought it used warranty still apply (although you may have to take the seller to court).
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Monty Burns:
Nuri, your joking, right?

Your obviously on the wind up now. Learn the diference between quality and functioning. The cameras FUNCTION satisfactorily for a CONVERGED device i.e. they take pictures with the specified megapixels image. The music function does not work - it chops up songs. Would you accept pictures with a big black line through them or pictures that stopped halfway down???? No, you would return the phone.

I only use mine as a player on my motorbike which, being a 1000cc v-twin with race pipes makes a hell of a lot of noise, I don't want sound quality as I wouldn't be able to hear it anyway, i just want UNINTERRUPTED songs very loud (it does the loud part fine).

And yes, a couple of years ago i vowed never ever to buy another HTC phone (or branded) as they were SH*& manufacturing quality.... well I came back to them for this phone and look what happened.....

Please, read the previous posts again and READ them again and again and then try to UNDERSTAND them.

And finaly, dont say "look at how many of these cases have been tried and rejected. Dead pixels in flat panels, hundreds of computer issues even the known Pentium flaw did not qualify, and so on" as your wrong. The Intel chips could and were taken back (by some). It was rare though as it was the heart of a PC and therefore many people didn't bother or didn't know how to. I could unravel the rest of your argument but, I don't see any point. Complete waste of time.

Until you tell me your an English person (which I strongly suspect your not) and have studied the Sales Of Goods Act (which almost no schools taught unless your my age) and that you can understand the diference between FUNCTIONING and "Satisfactory quality" (For a CONVERGED device) then this conversation is over.

Nunoleite, No. No solution. If you live in the UK you

CAN

take your phone back to the retailer under the Sales Of Goods act for a full refund.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Monty Burns:
That really shows your lack of understanding of the consumer law in the UK.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] nunoleite46:
sorry my device is 1.93 EN... i perfer wait for new official ROM.

thanks
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Monty Burns:
we are currently on .93 you think there will ever be a fix?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Nuri58:
Partly joking. My old Olympus is just 2 MP but pictures are by far SUPERIOR to the TD having 3 MP and unless you remove the back cover pictures are even blurred, not to mention that in any light condition but perfect you got problems - maybe you're not as critical towards pictures?

Post just a few examples that what you say indeed has pulled through in general - taken back by some is different by forced to take back.

Maybe I am not native citizen but still working in this area and therefore I dare say it's not all that easy as you believe, even though I tend to agree it's should be interpreting the act word by word!

Anyway, nothing here changes reality. Let's see when HTC is reimbursing us due to this error. I just tend to live in the real world and do not want to spend hours not to say days and weeks on getting mig rights through. I think we can agree to that and to exercise our rights under the act.:) And with that let's have a nice weekend and spend the resources on moving forward as you say.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] jay_zhead:
Some guy called "Dexter" posted that on their thread:

"I'm sorry to say I have really bad mp3 playback instead...i'm browsing right with diamond,listening music,and I have many "jumps" in playback..i'm more interested in gps,i'll try tomorrow,but since I still have mp3 lag I guess gps won't be different than before too."

A lot of talk seems to be just that. I'm not flashing it. Swift's 7.0 is working well for me right now, including - finally! - GPS with no lag, so I suppose I'll re-flash when I have POSITIVE PROOF that the issue was fixed on a certain ROM. For some reason I have a feeling that if will happen it will be when HTC release their promised new ROM in december... And then I'll just wait for Swift to make it lighter :D
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Zodler:
I’m also very disappointed. :mad: Expecting music playback with no pops and lags is nothing earth shattering. It’s the least it should be able to do. This is my third HTC device and I always had problems with music on their devices. I will not buy HTC again.

Is there any ROMs that solve this music playback 100%? I'm using this official ROM:

RUU_Diamond_HTC_FRA_1.93.406.1_Radio_Signed_Diamond_52.29.25.12_1.00.25.05_Ship.exe

What are good alternatives to HTC phones? I want keyboard-less and windows mobile so that I can install pocket player to have gapless music playback. Samsung, Asus.....?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Monty Burns:
I gota say, i'm really impressed with my new Omnia. It plays music great and actually has a useable FM radio - first time in my experience that a WM phone has! :D

One word of warning though, it suffers from a "Black screen of death" issue although after speaking to Samsung, this should be cured within two weeks with a firmware upgrade that you can do at home.

And for the nub who said I couldn't return my phone, guess what Im now doing .... Amazing what happens when you quote those magic words "Sales of Goods" act ;)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] losdrivare:
Samsung Omnia is a given candidate.

However, if music is a priority then you might want to check out the upcoming Nokia 5800 Xpressmusic. Same weight as Diamond and same features, but bigger screen with wider aspect, 3.5 mm jack and a dedicated hifi music chip. However, it runs symbian - not win mobile.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] suiller:
I've never suffered lag troubles... I use to hear some music for at least 30/40 minutes (without interrumptions) every morning while I prepare to go out for work.

yep I sing also in the shower :cool:

I've always used light roms, with a bit of tweaks (too much goes things worst)

right now I'm on swift7.5 lite (with little tweaks) and no problems at all

bye,

davide

ps: I was for Samsung me too... but I bought a diamond above all for its desing & small dimension, the Omnia seemed too big for my tastes
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Monty Burns:
can you please tell everyone your phone radio level?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] iRiKi:
if i use touchflo audio manager, i get no skipping at all.. even when running tomtom7 and opera at the same time!

as soon as i use media player the musc lags, breaks, clips, pops, everything bad happens.. im using stock 1.93 HTC TMN-customers-ROM (stock radio .05) and it really is strange :D
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Zodler:
I am impressed with Nokia’s music playback, however gapless music playback is a must for me. Does it have gapless playback?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Nuri58:
Actually, used the TFLO3D and iGO8 over my FM transmitter yesterday on a 1 hour drive also without noting any lag/skip. But this may be because I did not pay the same attention to the music while driving as when using the device with my in-ear headset?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] jay_zhead:
It also depends alot on the files being played. I noticed lately (I'm running Swift's 7.0 12mb PP) that there is no skips with Manila player when playing 128kbps CBR MP3's, a little skipping (~15 minutes apart) when playing anything between 192-256 CBR or 192 VBR, and skips more (~8 minutes apart) when playing high quality VBR files (256-320kbps). With other players the lag is more constant and does not depend on file type that much.

Also I've tried Mort's latest build with different playback buffer settings, and found that at times I could get good results (better than any other non-manilla player I've tried) but that thing sucks the battery out of my diamond quicker than I can get to an electric outlet :p
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Nuri58:
Great thinking! Of course the compression plys a role. I am on 192 VBR, both with MP3 and WMA files (the latter i gave up now). Still you'd expect the TD to play all types w/o any lag/skip:rolleyes:
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] skyhacker:
I'm using the exact same rom and radio, with no lags at all, I tried playing music for 30 mins, no lag, then I tried to open ndrive and there I got a big pause and resumed but using only the HTC music manager no lag,
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Nuri58:
Look at post 158. What is your music bitrate?