[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] ahirshfield:
Responses to Complete/Ultra Edition rom.

(Dutty - replied to your PMs, sorry for missing them dude)
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Okay well I was certainly not suggesting it be the only version. I definitely agree that the current 'Full' edition should stay as-is as that is what Dutty uses himself and many users like the 'stable and fast rom' principle. Another of this rom's principles (correct me if I'm wrong) is to be Bleeding-edge, have the latest Core, newest versions of OEM apps, and remain user customisable in settings. It was simply an idea to perhaps give the existing MSVC edition (or a new edition) more differentiation from the other 'Full' edition by introducing a 'Complete/Ultimate' rom that includes all the stock

productive

applications.

The addendum (2nd list) with 3rd party tools was just an added idea of my personal preference - of which some are undeniably must-have utils. Dismissing them due to bugs is unfair as even the HTC & MS apps are regularly updated due to issues. If Dutty didn't include software with some bugs it would be a rom of 0-bytes! Sure, I agree entirely with you that if any like Shaker, Profile Switcher and Klaxon are still too buggy and may cause confusion or issues then they should be excluded. All the software I listed is VGA & Diamond-style finger friendly of which the new Stopwatch app is used by myself and members of my team everyday since it replaced another less friendly app we had (http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=421812).

The tweaker tools such as 'Schaps Advanced Config Tool' (http://www.touchxperience.com) have much more functionality than only simply applying tweaks - such as soft-key config for Manilla and today screen, etc. Besides, who says that a tweak already made in the ROM is wanted by every user of that rom? Surely it should also be about choice to change or alter settings and try other tweaks, while still using the same ROM and not having to revert to another cook or stock rom just to make other different tweaks? If what you are saying is accurate, then why does Dutty still include TF3D Config...

Incorporating a tool in the rom will not change whether comments are made about it in this forum thread. Take a look at the GSen issues and comments here as proof that users will try the tool with the rom and post here anyway! If anything, as per GSen it allows better testing of the ROMs app compatibility and at the most it would just increase the profile of that software for the better.

Dutty is obviously not averse to including 3rd party apps or new software in the Full rom. There are already many tiny 3rd party tools and utils included in this as they are the preference of the cook, and quite right to, this is Dutty's project. PocketScreen, Notepad, Reset Manager, TF3D Config, TaskMgr, Total Commander, Pocket Rar, MSVC, ClearTemp, GPSTest, GS-Soft Tweak, etc are all in the Full and MSVC editions (and indeed even some of these apps have glitches). Surely that doesn't mean that no other apps deserve the same attention at some point and that is why I made suggestions for potential ROM inclusion. In the end Dutty can decide some are great and useful, and some maybe buggy and should be dismissed.

My main point was that at some point in time, a decision was made by Dutty to exclude certain OEM apps. Keep PowerPoint, ditch OneNote; keep Word, ditch Adobe Reader; keep Windows Live, ditch JBlend; keep GoogleMaps, ditch FlashLite. I fully understand that they are still available as .Cabs however they therefore A) do not receive the same update attention as apps integrated into the ROM and B) must be installed separately each time. One can find external .Cabs for nearly every OEM app included in the ROM, so why include anything at all? Answer is because this is a Fuller edition and has more convenience.

As Dutty knows, I am a great advocate of his quality roms and am using his MSVC ROM on many staff devices here at T-Mobile head-office and I push out new releases over the LAN whenever I can. Apart from the separate feedback already posted, the only software-inclusion questions I receive from my staff are why it does not contain some of the apps they rely on from the stock ROMs. We have Java/J2ME-based tools to use and test, OneNote & PDF documents on our PPCs and so on. It is unfortunate that this is the only reason that some users here at TMUK are reverting back to the stock roms (one even SwiftBL - noooo!). (T-Mobile are currently testing their new stock rom with internal users around the office and I keep showing how Dutty’s rom already has all that fixed… and more. With a newer Radio to boot!).

The OEM/stock apps were a primary request and 3rd party utils were a personal opinion. That said, small tools like PPCPimBackup, MSS Converter, SSMaPa, PocketPicture/Paint would certainly not cause conflicts or rom issues. I purposely excluded any apps which change settings on install for this exact reason.

As I said, assuming Dutty was open and affirmative to this idea at any time in the future; users would just have more choice. There is already an option of two different 'Lite'/'UltraLite' editions - so why not have a 'Full' and 'UltraFull' edition too?! Those who do not wish to have the extra OEM software or 3rd party apps of this Complete ROM could remain with the smaller Full edition.

Sincerely hope that I’m not being too vocal here, I just feel passionately about the work Dutty is doing here above all other rom-chefs and would love to continue using his rom.

Best regards,

Adam R. Hirshfield

T-Mobile (UK) Ltd.

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