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[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] doctajay:
If AT&T takes off the front facing camera (which they probably will) will it matter for US customers since no one does video calls anyway?

EDIT: just remembered that the touch pro doesn't have a front facing camera anyway, lol. nevermind.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] fb401:
Game over. I'm going to beg borrow and steal to get me one of these devices asap.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] herg62123:
http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=49518

look again....it does have a front cam:mad:
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] YH8733:
Any possible way that radio would work on a HTC Diamond? Anyone willing to try it? Or does the Diamond lack the hardware?
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] doctajay:
crap, then at&t will definitely take it off. That is just so annoying.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] ez345:
You should do what im gonna do, im gonna just buy an unlocked EU version to use with ATT, might be a little more expensive, but i think it'll be totally worth it....everyone knows that US carriers cripple devices almost beyond usability
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] mike-:
Buy one without HSDPA/3G?! Well I won't go back for that price. I will wait for a local release and US comptabile version.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] McHale:
everything I've read points at different hardware from the EU and US versions. There will be an HTC unbranded version I think though (I hope anyway).

-Mc
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] jasjamming:
hey all,

the hardware is the same for all raphaels, whether its HTC, AT&T, TMOBILE etc. its just the firmware that restricts what part of the hardware you can use, therefore, flashing this radio rom from ATT will definately unlock all 3g bands for ATT.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] AllTheWay:
Well that is good to know ;)
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] jasjamming:
on the downside - see the general raphael forum, the raphael is delayed till end of aug.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] AllTheWay:
Yes I did see that. However in the US I don't expect to see this thing until late October early November at the earliest. Looks like the wait is on.

Though the Samsung Omnia looks quite enticing.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] mrvanx:
Wash your mouth out young man!

/me slaps AllTheWay for the lack of respect ;)

I was pretty sure the radio bands issue was only a radio stack thing, the hardware is normally identical between model numbers (eg HERM100, 200 & 300).
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] DiSsImULAtIoN:
yep, hardware is identical, just these stupid telcos tend to disable feature to "regionalise" the WWE device.

tmobile may even disable wifi... lol...
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] Doug2873:
Whoa whoa whoa...Until I hear something from someone that actually works at or is associated in some way with ATT that there is going to be a front-facing camera on the ATT version I'm not believing (would anyone like to chime in?).

Currently ATT can only do one-way Video Share, so unless something is magically brewing in the works that someone knows about I doubt that ATT users are getting the front-facing camera.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] mrvanx:
Yer the core hardware of the raphael is the same, (as is the Herm100,200,300 etc...) however remember dude the video camera, keyboards and etc...are peripherals and as such are easily removed by the carrier rather than a drastic change to the assembly details of the embedded circuitry (which would be the case if AT&T was asking for different radio capabilities than other carriers...etc.etc).

Whats the current status of the 3G services in the US (not just AT&T but all of them) ? They must be pushing forward and getting some useable 3G video calling-type service available soon surely?? I figured you guys across the pond were always ahead of us?? :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] jasjamming:
maybe coz their economy is in dire straits and their dollar is so weak (AU $$$ is roughly the US $$$) AT&T has to cut costs by removing the front camera. :)

personally, id rather have a HTC device with all functions in tact and choose my telco than be bound/limited/constrained by a telco and by them dictating what you should have.

and for everyones info, incognitho is a reliable source, where do you think "they" obtained the at&t rom from?
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] mike-:
Anyone know if 3G bands for Rogers/Fido in Canada are the same as ATT in USA? In other world, if I buy a HTC Touch pro on ebay... and then install the ATT rom... should the 3G work here in Canada?

Seems that Rogers/Fido use 850/1900 for 3G...

Thanks!
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] GenesysLV:
I've personally taken apart 3 Tilt's and two Kaisers. They are identical sans the camera. Same chipsets etc. Wish I wouldda took some pics of those...
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] Doug2873:
Yeah no**** incognitho is a reliable source, but he hasn't said anything about what the ATT version looks like - all he does is release radios for fear of getting fired from ATT...what I'm saying is that there is a much better chance than not that the ATT version will NOT have a front-facing camera.

People are seeming to forget that ATT is looking to sell as many of these devices as they can. Even if they did have two-way video share, I'm sure ATT would look at the economic tradeoff and decide that they would gain a great more deal in revenue from sales of the cheaper non-camera headset than the # of people who would buy a higher priced phone AND sign up for video share (I mean who seriously uses this more than once a year?). Remember video share here in the US is a separate service, not just data charges....
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] McHale:
then why doesn't the Diamond support AT&T's CDMA frequencies? Still software? I was told the hardware was different (though we know in the past that wasn't the case). Do you have a source for this?
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] walshieau:
because CDMA and GSM Radio's are COMPLETLY DIFFERENT!
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] McHale:
I know. That's why I asked the question.

I realize that they are quad band GSM, but everything I've read is that the CDMA radios were different in the different regional phones. Here in the US we need 850 and 1900 and probably 2100 3G (CDMA) radios as well as the quad band GSM. The diamond doesn't have the same capabilities as the Kaiser as far as radios. It's quite limited...
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] walshieau:
dont get WCDMA confused with CDMA, they are completly different. The radio's on the Diamond and Raphel are GSM/WCDMA not CDMA
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] dodgebj2:
Will this ROM enable 3g data as well? This is very important to me as I plan to do alot of tethering using the internet sharing app.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] atvilelas:
Tried on HTC Touch Diamond???

Has anybody tried this on HTC Touch Diamond?

This seems to be a HTC Touch Pro with US 3G rom, so if someone apply it to a HTC Touch Diamond (As they have almost the same hardware) it will work?

Thanks
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] palmbluetooth:
Take a look at this thread, it was tried but it seems that it didin't work, I would love to try it if I can get my hands on this radio.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=410620
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] Doug2873:
Um, if you plan on tethering a decent amount with this phone I would HIGHLY suggest that you actually get a tethering plan because I am pretty sure WinMo 6.1 allows the carrier to detect if you are tethering or not...

In otherwords, don't ruin it for the rest of us! ATT has been nice to me on data use so far and I don't want it ruined because you are using your phone to download off of BitTorrent. Thanks.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] bombzhome:
Can anyone extract the sliding sound from the Touch Pro?
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] export800:
I wonder if the radio in this rom works on the diamond?

oops... already being discussed http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=410620
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] stpete111:
Hey jasjamming, I know you are a very knowledgeable guy around here, but are you positive about this? The president of HTC said in a Q&A session on May 6th (Diamond announcement day) that in order to get the Diamond as small as it is, they had to forego the sd slot and US band antennae. Was he just making that up?

I've seen the thread where the 850 mhz band has been enabled in a new radio rom, but it's only 850 GSM. 850 WCDMA has to be present for US folks to get 3G data speeds. Is this perhaps the hardware antenna that the pres. of HTC was referring to? Or was he just completely full of it?

Thanks.

PS. this would then also mean that names like DIAM100, DIAM 200, and HERM 100, HERM 200, are only meant to identify different firmware, and not different hardware??
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] mrvanx:
Well the HERM100 (i think) was the Cingular model which had the front camera removed, the AT&T ROM is signed for a RAPH110 so far I personally havent seen anything to assume the Raph hardware is different apart from the RAPH800 which is CDMA. The SD slot removal would be a VERY poor move and is most likely baloney, the antenna for UMTS850 would most likely be the same as the one for 1900 and 2100 since the Hermes can do all three with a single antenna (I would dig out the internal photos of the Hermes but I cant find the damn things now however ive attached a screenshot of the band selection screen on my TyTN for reference??).
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] stpete111:
Mr. Vanx, thanks for the post.

Just to clarify, I was talking about the Diamond when I spoke about the removal of the sd card slot... there is definitely an sd card slot on the Raphael/Touch Pro.

The reason I was using the Diamond as an example was to illustrate that the HTC president mentioned that different versions of the Diamond (Hong Kong, Europe, US) would have different hardware for different regions b/c it's too small to include the radio hardware for all bands (as well as being too small to include an sd slot).

But, we are talking about the Touch Pro here... so perhaps that really was the case with the Diamond, but won't be an issue with the Touch Pro b/c it's big enough to compensate the hardware.

I also have a Tytn and a Tytn II. The thing about those two models though is that they were both advertised from the very beginning as having all GSM and WCDMA bands, to make it a truly worldwide phone (and then as you mentioned, the only difference on the ATT 8525 and 8925 (Tilt) was the removal of the front-facing camera). So why now is HTC suddenly creating "different models" for different regions? Why did they do away with their approach to always have at least a couple of their current phones be worldwide-banded phones? Seems like now there's a region-specific model for every one of their phones?

It's these and other questions that make me wonder if the hardware is truly identical across the board for ALL THEIR PHONES which have different region-specific models.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] mrvanx:
LOL i guess i didnt read ur post correctly DOH!

We may have to wait and see what the deal is with the Raph then....theres mixed messages allover the web about it :S
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] stpete111:
We shall see indeed! I wish I knew the answer now b/c I would certainly buy an overseas model right now if I knew it has the hardware needed to eventually work in the US.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] fcreeves:
Yes, that phone just came out over here recently. It is in all the phone stores in Hong Kong, seems like it was around 5000 HKD. What is a good price? If I find it, do you want it regardless of price? Phones here are like cars for USA kids, status symbols, so they are not discounted when they are hot and new.

The above is an excerpt from an email conversation I had with a former co-worker living in Macau about the Raphael. Even at that price, with shipping and tax, is it worth getting just to have it first? That's an expensive toy. I'm thinking a new contract with At&t would be the way to go. I got my Kaiser a couple days before general release. I think I may just do the same with the Touch Pro. Most of the fun is in the flashing anyway.

I can afford it with equal backlash from the Baby Momma, but I can't justify it? Maybe someone has some nice insight to give me the impulse.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] stpete111:
Am I calculating correctly that 5000 HKD is about 640 USD? While that is somewhat expensive for a phone, this phone is currently going for 1,000 USD on Ebay right now. That makes the $640 actually look pretty cheap. If you're not going to have your buddy get you one, PLEASE let him get one for me!! :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] mardogg44:
Took the words out of my mouth doctajay, almost "upgraded" to the Iphone too! would have been a big mistake
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] etothe456t:
http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/04/the-htc-touch-pro/

In these pictures of the touch pro it shows "home" and "back" buttons. Isn't this phone supposed to be a PocketPC (usually has "start" and "ok") vs. a smartphone ("home" and "back") ?
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] Black93300ZX:
From looking at the FCC documents for this phone, the US version is listed not having UMTS/WCDMA/HSDPA... No 3G. Question... Could a European version with a different ROM be used to access 850/1900 3G bands, like the Diamond got a new rom to unlock 850mhz GSM?
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] kkjjkkk:
dreaming of it,my Raphael
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] Black93300ZX:
We should start a donation for your Touch Pro to see if, in fact, flashing it with this ROM would enable all AT&T 3G bands. I'd definitely put down at least a few bucks if I could find out whether or not to buy a European model before US release, would you be willing to be our guinea pig? :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] jamesmuir:
Yea, I'll donate to learn the truth. Where do I sign up?
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] Black93300ZX:
Heh, well, he'd have to agree with it first... assuming he's cool with it we'll have to figure out a way to keep track of all of the donations.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] stpete111:
Is it possible you're missing something, Black? Not having 3G is one thing, but not having WCDMA bands at all? That would actually require them to REMOVE hardware from the Euro/Asian version. I can't imagine that would be the case??? Those FCC docs can be confusing sometimes too... 150 pages of detailed garble that says one thing on one page and something different on the next.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] Black93300ZX:
Compared side to side the test results of the Tilt and of the Touch Pro. Clear cut list of bands tested, Tilt shows GSM 850, GSM 1900, HSDPA 850, HSDPA 1900... Touch Pro shows GSM 850 and GSM 1900 and that's it. Furthermore, I searched every document with the search feature and the terms "HSDPA, UMTS, WCDMA, 3G" do not exist in any of them. Have a look for yourself.

https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=633668&fcc_id=%27NM8RPLV%27
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] sknobs:
I would love to be a guinea pig for a test radio rom to see if I can pull some 3g here in the states. I have the p3700, should not be any different though.

Just got this phone and love it, just wish it had 3g in the US on ATT.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] Black93300ZX:
Heh, I think we'd all like to, but only 1 of us has a connection to get a Touch Pro for $640. As for the Diamond, there's no AT&T ROM available for that yet... So I guess you'll have to wait it out for 3G. :(
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] stpete111:
Oh ok. Those are the bands TESTED. That doesn't mean that there's no WCDMA radio HARDWARE in there. Just that it's likely only Euro/Asian bands (900/2100), which means that the FCC obviously didn't test it knowing they aren't US bands. I thought you were saying that WCDMA hardware doesn't exist in the US version of the Touch Pro, which would be crazy since HTC would have to actually remove hardware before sending it over here.

I'm guessing (hoping) the WCDMA bands for the US can be unlocked with the right ROM.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] Black93300ZX:
Well that's exactly what's going to come to the US... If you find the docs of the Tilt, it clearly shows that they tested the HSDPA bands as well. So it puzzles me, even if it can be unlocked with a ROM, why not have it in the version we'll be getting?
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] stpete111:
No idea. Not sure how much this has to do with the Qualcomm vs. Broadcom dispute, but it certainly has caused a whole lot of confusion around these phones and their hardware/software iterations.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] GenesysLV:
HTC has been known to occasionally keep the wcdma/umts/hsdpa tests confidential as to keep the carrier from being discovered. ;)
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] Black93300ZX:
That's what I was hoping was happening... We shall see.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] l3it3r:
Regardless of all politics between manufacturers, carriers, etc.. when there's a solid solution to having a touch pro on ATT, I will buy one. This is the coolest damned phone I've ever seen. My Hermes has been a real champ, and having a cooked 6.1 ROM on it has been a solid investment, but I'm REALLY looking forward to the Raphael.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] btprice2001:
I'd gladly start taking donations to do just that.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] docclayton:
Touch Pro and ATT ROM

I ordered a TouchPro from devicewire.com in UK and should is on its way here (currently in Canada / Rogers but will be in US/Dallas next Wed) and arrive either tomorrow or Friday. I have downloaded ATT ROM and will gladly flash and report back. BUT...I may need some assistane unless ATT ROM is completely self extracting and does not need any SPL to flash first. Any volunteers on assistance if needed?

JPC
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] RavenGirl:
Hey black, is there any way you could extract the radio from your at&t model? I used to be good at hacking radios on my other htc phones, i'm curious if i could make it work on my diamond and perhaps that could unlock the 850 3g band on the DIAM100. I know it's a long shot, but i'm on vacation and have nothing better to do with my time.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] stpete111:
RavenGirl, the DIAM100 does not have the necessary hardware to connect to 3G in the US.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] ez345:
we're not even sure if the Touch Pro has the necessary hardware...i sure hope it does though, for a phone as thick as the Pro, i dont think HTC would make 2 sets with different hardware, especially since this is aimed at business users (ie they will travel alot)
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] RavenGirl:
I did write up a whole thing here, but nevermind.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] D8mian:
Please keep me updated on this. I will do the same if it works for you. Thx!

D
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] Raspster:
Has anyone done this yet. or has the hard spl been made..? This is one hell of a drum role for US buyers in getting 3g... I am still waiting for my unit to arrive. (next week)
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] bersca:
HardSPL is being tested as we speak. I have a UK version in my hand and I'm dying to flash this ROM, but as I paid a pretty penny I'm not eager to brick this phone either. Anyone know if you need HardSPL to flash this ROM?

BTW, this phone gives the option to use GSM and UMTS with AT&T bands (see screen shot) but, of course, only EDGE seems to be working. I must say, this phone seems worth the investment even without 3G speeds at this time. The Touch Flo 3D, with tweaks, is very responsive to your finger and flows very smoothly, far better than the touch screen on the Kaiser. It's not quite the iPhone, though:eek:

Sorry screen shot is so large. 4 times the pixels equals 4 times the size?
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] D8mian:
Do you have any problems with AT&T usage?

Edit: Nevermind, just noticed your not using AT&T.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] bersca:
Actually, I am using AT&T and it worked with GSM right out of the box as soon as I popped my SIM card in there. The only issue at this time is 3G support. The factory radio 1.02.25.19 is working great here in Gainesville, FL.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] D8mian:
Great! Thx for the nfo. Previous phones which i bought overseas, such as an Eten Glofish m500 quad, gave me trouble connecting to networks along with other issues. I'd hate to go through that again.

Not sure if i'll wait for the fuze or jump on the UK version???? i'm impatient!

D
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] Bxsteez:
I'm waiting on this info too. Once i get the word on the hardware i'll be buying this phone. I would buy and test this myself but currently where i live there is no 3G anyway :(
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] bersca:
The voice of reason will tell you to wait for the AT&T Fuze, it will be cheaper and you know it will have the hardware to support 3G. I listened to the other voice;)
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] Raspster:
when we get the att rom tested, what about the keyboard layout as the att version has the numberrs in phone pad layout and the unlocked has them along the top. will we be able to have it respond to the keys on top. I really do t care if I use the # keys on top, I just want to make sure when I go to use them they will be the correct keys and not the keys along the top of the att version.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] gatordent:
seems like the radio version you got is newer than the version floating around with the ATT rom. keep us updated plz, im ready to place my order just need confirmation on the 3G. I always listen to that other voice :D
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] atsitalian:
I am very anxious as well. I went to the dark side (iPhone 3G) and want to repent and come back in good graces. However every day I wait to put my iPhone 3G on ebay means $ out of my pocket. The sooner I list it the more I will get. So as soon as I know the EU version can be flashed and work with 3G
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] Lolento:
I'm in the same boat as you two.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] y2whisper:
I don't hear of this mentioned anymore, but will HTC be coming out with a north american version of this device without the AT&T branding? or will the only solutions be wait for a radio that uses NA3G and then apply to a euro Touch Pro, OR wait for the AT&T version to come out (assuming there is no front cam)

I ask since we have video calling in canada so that front cam is of some use.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] ajk1116:
Have a Touch Pro - Any word on ROM flash?

I am a long time lurker. :) I just got my Touch Pro, and I want to see about flashing the ROM to get ATT 3G. Any news yet?
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] ausbj:
me too....got my EU touch pro today in the US

Just got mine too, but have to wait for HardSPL before taking the plunge
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] picard2213:
HardSPL

What is HardSPL and why will the ATT ROM not install (invalid device ID) on my Touch PRo.

I appreciate the info.

THanks
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] Bxsteez:
I know someone else can explain this better but hardspl gives you the ability to flash uncertified roms to your device. That is how i understand it and thats why the att rom won't work on your device currently.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] mrvanx:
Not quite ;)

HardSPL generally spoofs your device to report itself as having SuperCID, that is it will accept ANY ROM, the CID (Carrier ID) which is embedded into your device and the ROMs must match....this is usually to allow only ROMs which are taylored for the device....so an AT&T tilt ROM wont work on a HTC TyTN II and so forth (when they are in the factory state when you receive it).
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] elwuero:
Ok with Hard SPL now out can I just update the radio and not update the rom (I am concerned about the keyboard differences from UK version and ATT version).

This should work right?