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[Sony Xperia 1 II Guides, News, & Discussion] Onepunchbro:
Development and testing take time, I donated to multiple gcam developers in the past to get faster access to private builds, and its totally worth it. Win-win situations, developers get fund, u get faster access without waiting weeks or months for public apks. I've spent more time in telegram groups than facebook or twitter these days.
[OPPO A72 Real Life Review] XDA_RealLifeReview:
Yes, yes, it's possible to love a phone. Heck, you sleep next to it, don't you? Rate this thread to indicate your love for the OPPO A72, all things considered. A higher rating indicates that the OPPO A72 is an incredible phone that you enjoy tremendously. You love it. :o

Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
[OPPO A72 Real Life Review] XDA_RealLifeReview:
You're a power user. Can the OPPO A72 keep up? Rate this thread to express how "healthy" the development scene is for the OPPO A72. A higher rating indicates available root methods, kernels, and custom ROMs.

Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] juw:
I am wondering whether or not the Raphael has USB Host functionality? I read this on some internet sites, but searching the Wiki and other avaliable informative websites couldn't bring light to this issue. I know that HTCs ExtUSB only is a proprietary connector, enhancing the USB Port with audio and video functionality. This is not what I'm talking about!

Host USB allows devices to act as an USB host (like a computer) and as such access USB-Devices like harddrives or USB sticks, which is more than convinient. As some other Pocket PC have it, I'm hoping deeply my future playmate has it also.

:-)

Maybe some of the lucky users could verify?

Thanks!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Xzeven:
Doesn't look like it'll have any host facility no. The only HTC device ive seen with host are the bigger HTC Advantage's which have a normal USB port. I dont think the Qualcomm chipset offers USB host either.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Jorlin:
This would be a nice thing to have...

I am still owner of a PocketLoox 720 which is capable of accessing USB sticks and USB HD.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Xzeven:
It'd be nice. But I guess it would eat the battery.

I think I saw somewhere a USB bluetooth thingy that enables you to read USB sticks via Bluetooth.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] cmonex:
well to be precise both the diamond and raphael have some interesting host ability - in SPL you can set usb host to read NBH file off usb. however you need the right adapter cable, so I haven't tried that yet on the diamond (and no raphael yet).
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] rorydaredkign:
What an interesting feature... Maybe it's for service centres to unbrick warranty returns easily?

Rory
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Pantaloonie:
Have you tried with the Athena USB host cable?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] cmonex:
oh hmm. does that cable plug in the miniusb port of the athena?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Pantaloonie:
Yes it does, I was hoping it would work with the Diamond and Raphael.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] cmonex:
mm, thought it plugged in the other port on the athena...because it also handles vga out (the 4 in 1 cable). and this other port (beside the miniusb sync port) has the icons vga out and usb host.

that is clearly not the same socket as the miniusb (i.e. the sync port).

the diamond & raphael unfortunately only have this miniusb (which is for the sync on athena).
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Pantaloonie:
You're right - It's been so long since I used the USB host on the Athena I'd forgotten which port it uses.

Back to the drawing board on that one I guess.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] cmonex:
yeah, I also have the 4 in 1 somewhere in the drawer :D

I only got it to have all cool accessories for my Athena.

anyway, I'll update the thread if I find out more about the cable needed for diamond/raphael
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] zeb crs:
I read in the Diamond service manual (foeund somewhere on the forum here) about using an USB SD-card reader on the sync port on the Diamond. It is used when servicing the phone to upload firmware and test software to the internal storage.

On the picture it looks just like a normal sd card reader that is plugged into a standard USB port on one of the ends on the cable. it is a Y cable where one end is power, one USB and one mini usb to plug in the phone.

I am just doing some tests on this now. I made a usb cable with mini usb in one end and normal usb in the other end. On the on ememstick I have here in the office nothing happens.I will continue to look into this matter.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] zeb crs:
holy moses. I got something working here!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I had to rebuild my cable a little bit here to get this working.

The new external USB port is now powered from a 5Volts source. I have cut the 5 volts connection between my Diamond and my USB memory.

I am using a standard USB flash memory which i got at some commercial stuff long time ago.

I formatted the USB stick to FAT32 on my computer first.

The thing I tried was:

downloade a custom firmware.

copied the xxx.nbh file to the flash

renamed it to "DIAMIMG.NBH" Capital letters!!

Started up the phone holding VOLUME DOWN and RIGHT button down while giving the power button a short push.

It fired up the Olimex boot scene and asked me to push power button to confirm flashing.

After that it flashed my phone for about 10 minutes (from the USB flash memory)

So there is NO DOUBT, the Diamond has USB master capabilities!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When I am in file explorer I still can't get in contact with the memory.

Anyone that has the USB drivers from som larger HTC device????

Can anyone try to flash a phone with an un signed firmware or a firmware from wrong region on a phone that has the original bootloader using this method?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mikhalil25:
Does anyone know how to use external memory by usb hosting
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] cmonex:
heh, you were faster at building the cable :) congrats.

btw, what special modifications did you need to make? just the 5V source?

anyway, this just confirms what i found in bootloader disassembly then.

not sure on the availability of usb host drivers. maybe we will need to implement it ourselves :P

and sorry, but i do not understand the question about flashing unsigned stuff. the stock bootloader will not accept unsigned NBH, no matter where it comes from, sorry to disappoint you.

EDIT: I downloaded the service manual now, thanks. wasn't aware this was out in the open :)

anyway, the text mentions you must plug in AC power for the USB host. what a shame.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] scorpio16v:
Just an idea, have you tried to start WM5torage on Diamond ?

It lists the MovieNAND and the system partition. OK, you can't take access to it, but maybe WM5torage recognizes the USB stick from OS.

If it does, maybe a modified version of WM5torage can do these job ?

For short test download here:

WM5torage

Ok, WM5torage isn't the right way to test the access from OS, because it needs at last a running driver.

Qualcomm was running Oxford Semiconductor solutions, maybe the integrated USB OTG is a license from this company ?

@cmonex:

Is it possible to adapt the integrated bootloader driver to WM ?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Mechanicaldan:
USB drive is HTC supported

I just read through the US user manual and Section 1.13 Using you Device as a USB Drive. http://member.america.htc.com/downl...al/HTC_Touch_Pro/HTC_Touch_Pro_English_UM.pdf

Quote:

To easily carry media and other files with you, you can use your device’s storage

card as a USB flash drive. Touch Start > Settings > Connections tab > USB to PC

and then select Disk Drive mode. This allows you to copy files from your computer

to the device’s storage card and vice versa faster.

Note You need to have a storage card installed on your device to be able to use your device

as a disk drive.

When Disk Drive mode is used:

You will not be able to use your device to access files from the storage card

or run applications that are installed on the storage card while the device is

connected to your PC.

Your PC will only connect to the device’s storage card. When you access your

device from the PC, you will only see the contents of the device’s storage card.

Remember to change back to ActiveSync mode when you need to synchronize

data between your device and your PC.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] surur:
USB Host is different.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Mauser.NET:
Sorry to dissapoint you, but this is just the other way arround. This enables you to use your phone as a flash drive from a PC. In this thread they want to access a flash drive (USB stick/HD etc) from their phone ;)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Smaniac:
Can someone please tell me why everyone is so interested in USB host?

I mean, even my USB stick is actually a microSD with a card reader attached to my keychain. And that's definately a lot easier to carry than a USB stick + host cable.

HDD? Not without AC for sure. But even then a PDA + HDD usefulness is questionable.

So, anyone? :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] dgpurvis:
My laptop has a honking great hard drive, but I still want to be able to read USB sticks on it occasionally.

It's all about being able to fully transfer files from anything to anything. USB host on my Loox 720 meant I could connect a USB stick belonging to a colleague and download the file I needed directly, connect my camera and download the images on it to my PDA, connect my 20GB MP3 player (which I used as a very small powered HD) and transfer music and videos stored there to my PDA as and when I wanted them.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] surur:
You can also connect a full-sized keyboard and mouse for example. The possibilities are more or less endless.

Surur
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] dgpurvis:
Good point. Theoretically if the Touch Pro *did* have USB host then a third party cable could enable a keyboard, mouse and monitor (via the existing VGA out) to be connected - turning your PPC into an OK desktop PC.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Smaniac:
Well, actually keyboard does make sense, hadn't thought about that.

Thinking about it, it would be really nice, because I am planning on buying a Bluetooth one to go with my Pro, but a USB one is much cheaper and doesn't need batteries.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] stepw:
As stated earlier, you'd need a powered USB hub or external power though.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] dgpurvis:
Not for a memory stick, keyboard or mouse, as they can easily be powered by the trickle of power from the PDA, and not for a camera or MP3 player, as they power themselves.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] surur:
I dont know about the Diamond, but I used to have a Loox 720 (still have in fact) and I used to connect a small USB keyboard to it all the time. It worked great.

Surur
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ukdj78:
I bought a bluetooth keyboard with touchpad for my PS3 a while back, it worked great for it's intended purpose. However, I thought I'd see if it worked on my Hermes just for a laugh but it didn't show up in the list of bluetooth devices. :( I would imagine that it would be the same for the Raphael since both are windows mobile based. Of course I'd be happy to confirm this for you as soon as my pre-order arrives if you like?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Smaniac:
I know the original Touch supports some keyboards. If you could confirm it for the Pro / Diamond I would be very thankful.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Mechanicaldan:
OK, now that I understand the difference, I went Googling.

Amazon has female usb gender changers if you want to use the supplied cable and try with a USB stick.

http://www.amazon.com/USB-Gender-Changer-Female/dp/B000BSN4UY

Otherwise, Maplin.co.uk has mini ubs to female usb adapters which are much smaller and neater. It's part number L16BT.

http://www.maplin.co.uk/Search.aspx?criteria=l16bt&source=15&SD=Y

So, it seems that it would be cheap and easy to buy the adapter and a USB stick and plug it in and see what happens. As was stated, this may only work for USB sticks and not devices that require more power.

For devices that need power, after you use the adapter, could you just plug in a powered USB hub?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_ss...=aps&field-keywords=powered+usb+hub&x=13&y=15

Hope this is helpful.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ukdj78:
I almost forgot about this! Just tried it and it was the same as the Hermes - didn't show in the list of devices. Bear in my that my keyboard was designed specifically for the PS3 though, it probably doesn't behave like a normal bluetooth keyboard would.

There is this one at the official HTC accessory store which would obviously work on both the Hermes and the Touch Pro, but it's rather expensive!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Matrix44:
Maybe something like this :)

More information http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=490
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ShinigamiEyes:
nice...but that article just points back to xda, saying maybe we've come up with something. There's no solutions there.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] elamodelmerol:
bump

hey , does everyone forgot about this?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mike freegan:
My pal Eddy has a Toshiba Portege G900 which he could connect a low powered mouse and keyboard into. For it to work, both had to have a power consumption rating below a specific amount. Perhaps this is where we're going wrong.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ipostal:
I will endeavour the other day to check. It is needed only to solder a cord. But not to my knowledge for the valuable use of usb-host kredl is needed. Because any device, not counting a mouse or flash, requires an additional feed.

Sorry for my english. It is a translator.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] super81:
Hello,

where can I find such an USB cable like the one in the photo?

Is there any shop offering such thing? I never saw this before. Would be nice if you can give ma an adress. Thank You Bye
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mebwabsm:
This is the cable/adaptor you are looking for:

Pocket USB host cable and pocket USB host adapter.

Links:

http://www.pocketgames.jp/item_detail/itemId,40/

http://www.pocketgames.jp/item_detail/itemId,39/

http://www.pocketgames.jp/item_detail/itemId,17/

But the problem is that the site is in Japaneese Language.

I can't find any way to contact them, because I don't speak Japaneese.

If any one can please help us.

The only method I found to contact them is this page:

https://xc523.eccart.jp/b877/inquir...588bd306fd6216e06286160f477c40585c3601ef1ade8

Their telephone:

http://www.pocketgames.jp/salemention/

Thanks
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] shdwknt:
OK.. maybe you guys are going about this the wrong way.. he said for it to work he had to cut the 5v and it detected the flashdrive for the boot rom right?

And everyone else is saying it needs 5v.

SO why not splice in 5v to the usb drive - like that photo shows where it is plugged into 2 device..

take the cable you "created" and where you cut the 5v to the drive - connect a battery pack with 2 aa's back into the ground and 5v.

**phone**==usb cable==<__5v battery pack<--usbjump drive (sorry my ascii sucks but you get the point I hope.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Hajima Ichiro:
I'm really interested in this as well... I'd love to be able to keep a USB HD in my car to listen to music via my Fuze.

Anyway, what did you want to know from that site? I know some Japanese and might be able to help.

And sorry if I broke any rules about posting in old threads. Complete newbie here. This is literally my first post.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] eidolen:
Commercial Solution

Not sure if anyone has seen this yet, but it looks as if someone got it working. Personally I could do without all the bloat for customizing the mouse keys and such. I wonder if you could just use the driver portion to get basic input functionality. :confused:

http://att-fuze.handster.com/software.php?id=3339&for=ATT+Fuze
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] petard:
Looks fake, if you just change the words at the end of the link, the text in the page changes too, for example

http://att-fuze.handster.com/software.php?id=3339&for=FAKE+PHONE

Also, you can click the verisign logo and nothing happens.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] juw:
Well, while looking a bit further via google et al, I found the described USBInput Driver seems to be a real product, working at least with standard usb host devices. The software manufacturers website I found:

http://www.smartphonemag.com/cms/blog/414/use-usbinput-mousekeyboard-control

Most important they seem to offer a free trial for download!

Besides the youtube video linked there I also found an article from SmartphoneMag.com concerning this product, see below:

http://www.smartphonemag.com/cms/blog/414/use-usbinput-mousekeyboard-control

I can't say whether this site and report are trustworthy, but at least they look interesting.

The deciding question still is whether it also work with the raphael, since we still don't know too much about it's usb host capabilities!

:-(

I sincerely would like to try this software, but I am missing one of the mentiones cable adapters from mini usb to standard usb. Has anyone found a retailers source, preferably in Europe (Germany would make me jump around and feel like christmas already! ;-) )?

P.S.

Maybe I shouldn't have been so lazy - after another little search I seem to have found such an adapter from a german reseller called INTOS:

and

The product site can be found at:

http://shop.intos.de/cgi-bin/ieos/process/locale/de_DE/page/33500B.html

I think someone called me will place an order right away, you shall be informed on experiences to come!

;-)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] eidolen:
Not quite sure what you mean about the text changing to FAKE+Phone. :confused::confused:

In any case I clicked on the verisign and got a popup from the verisign site.

They have forums and a very eleborate site for a hoax but by no means am I saying everything is on the up & up.

I just got my Fuze 2 days ago and am completely new to the Windows Mobile Community so I'm not in any position to validate anything which is the reason I posted it here for further investigation. I would love to be able to add USB input devices to my phone and would have tried the free trial they offered but my phone complains that the software is unsigned and won't let me continue. Maybe that is a good thing but I did check the software on virusscan.jotti.org and virscan.org before trying. Both sites found nothing bad.

I do have a modular USB cable system that would allow me to go from the mini USB on the phone to a Female host connector but as I said the software won't install. If anyone here who has some knowledge thinks it's safe enough to try and can tell me how to install the driver I'd be happy to report my findings.

Cheers,

Eidolen
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] P0ll0L0c0:
I hope someone's able to install this driver - at least the trial. I'd love to be able to install a usb mouse, keyboard -or ideally a joystick. :-)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] niikoo:
I tested the trial, without any result :(
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] silversonic1:
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1472&view=1

It doesn't have a USB host controller. Without a host controller, it can't set up other USB devices. It can only be hooked up to devices that have host controllers. That's why the program won't work.

I personally wonder what would happen if somebody found a way to emulate a host controller via software, but that also doesn't seem possible.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] q123123an:
Must have some usb-host capabilities, see pic (from http://www.mikechannon.net/PDF Manuals/HTC Raphael_SM_A10 _GENERIC__01 Dec 08.pdf )
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] P0ll0L0c0:
Yeah, but what's the source of this pic?

I'd love to see this work, but I'm skeptical.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Da_G:
He posted the source with the pic. :) It's the Raphael Service Manual, from HTC. I think they would know... :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Kerensky97:
The pic is from the PDF linked. The PDF is the HTC service manual for the Touch Pro which is about as official as it gets.

However that's the only place it's mentioned, until it's proven to work somewhere there is still the possibility that the SM has an error or is listing a feature that was later removed.

Edit: I'm slow at typing apparently. :p
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] P0ll0L0c0:
Oh wow, sorry. That was dumb of me. I figured the pic WAS the link, not an exerpt.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] silversonic1:
Hmm... Interesting. I think I understand. I think it says that it requires a special dongle(add-on) for host capabilities.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] P0ll0L0c0:
If so, I wonder if or when, it'll ever get released. I'd definitely purchase that.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] inq44:
After reading the service manual where it mentions the "dongle" I found this: http://www.ninetails.net/?p=37

Of course, this may not apply to the Touch Pro, but I thought that if USB OTG really is built-in, supplying an external power source might just do the trick. What I tried, is to use two female connectors mapped one-on-one, and supply power from another usb port (soldered the power lines from an external cable with a male connector which I stuck into a regular USB port on my laptop).

Sure enough my TP showed it was charging (so power was supplied correctly from the regular USB port) but my external USB flash drive did neither light nor show up on my phone. Nothing happened even after installing the RATOC USB drivers which I use on my older WM5 device. Actually the drive did light up for about half a second or so right after plugging it in, which I believe means power was ok, but no "data link" was detected...

So my guess is (assuming the data pins were soldered correctly) that something else is required for this to work...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] inq44:
For some reason I couldn't edit my post and attach a pic of the cable I used to it... So here it is...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] P0ll0L0c0:
Nice cable, too bad it didn't work. Instead of using the old drivers, did you try the trial drivers offered by the link on this forum?

I hope someone can get this to work - I'd be quite happy.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] irus:
maybe we can use driver from athena? also it appears that it only works if we have a power source, as someone else on this thread already said. so basically what we need what is in post #58 but instead of two female usb ports we need one female usb port and one female mini usb port for power. i don't have much to do this christmas break so i will look around and maybe go shopping for the supplies tonight or tomorrow and report back :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Da_G:
The SPL at least contains drivers for USB host because in one of the service manuals it shows a recovery proceedure to flash the ROM from a typical SD card (not microsd) through a dongle cable and an sd-card reader.. note that the cable they use in the photo has a seperate plug to also feed power, maybe thats whats missing..
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] irus:
i agree with eveything you just said that is why i am no longer worried about the drivers but. i could not fine what i needed at the store so i had to order it online it will take about a week to get here so i will report back when i get it and try it out i am looking forward to have usb host again as my x7500 did and i loved it :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] inq44:
If you mean the usb hid thingies from http://www.teksoftco.com/index.php?section=usbinput , I tried them as well without any luck :(

To be honest, what I'm really interested in, is getting it all to work with the usb2serial dongle that I currently use on my WM5 device... serial console is kind of a must for me (servers, routers, switches, etc.).

I'm not so sure that power is the ONLY other thing required for this to work; I tried with external power but it didn't work... there is something else required here, but I'm not sure whether hardware or software-wise... Maybe the genuine usb dongle from htc is different somehow; maybe something particular needs to be activated in the OS... can't figure it out for now...

BTW, is the genuine dongle accessory available for sale somewhere, or is it restricted to approved service shops only?