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[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] brium13:
Still no news?

The drivers of raphael came out?

Thank you.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] GriFolle:
My 2 cents:

For sure in one raphael rom released there are OEM (and maybe SYS) packages for the usage/gesture of tv-out. "Drivers" too (evenif theese exists) I think. The matter, and to test it we have to wait and see the fabulous, legendary, brilliant...property cable made by htc, is the pin-out (and its configuration) of the miniusb port of the device. Looking at this we could know if it's possible, or not, enable this feature on our jewel too.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Noam23:
Even if Diamond WILL have TV out, what good will this bring ?

Can you give me 1 good example of what to do with a 640x480 TV output ?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] dazza9075:
well since most SDTV sets are around that resolution i wouldnt think the resolution would be an issue would you? has for HDTV sets (assuming the device supports progressive scan) it would look no worse than watching SDTV on your new HDTV set.

Of course your wider point you was trying to make stands, who would use the feature anyway? answer..... not many but "if" you needed it, your ready to go!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] uniqueboy:
Bring it on, sounds cool, I would look at my dumb photos and my dumb videos and probably watch IronMan which my mate has downloaded!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] cheifsfan:
Is anyone taking on the project? I see people already have the cables and it is working great on the raphael. I have no problem buying the cables but I wouldn't know where to begin to bring the drivers over from the raphael. Anyone interested in helping that can get this done?

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[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] MrBasiri:
Just spoke whith Htc Sweden and the answer I got was that There is no tv-out on Diamond, nether any cable on its way for now. But he also said that there is no harware difference between pro - diamond. So I suppose it's a financial strategy. I really one of you software sorcerers can fix this.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] TarKin:
well i can confirm that the cable gets detected (selection screen pops up).

but well, lets wait and see with what the rom cookers come up with :)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Imaginati0n:
Cant wait...because it reads realy well vga movies and its fantastic to see them on tv. I realy hope is realy a driver thing :)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Lord_BlackAdder:
I too hope this would make it to Diamond. I have a Sanyo video camera which capture video at VGA resolution and in mp4 format. Today I copied the video clips to my Diamond and it played flawlessly. Previously with JASJAM, I have to encode the video into some other formats like WMV first which is a pain.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] cheifsfan:
We can just use the cable for the pro. If they don't have different hardware I hope someone is willing to take on this project! I would be willing to donate some cash!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] cheifsfan:
what happens when you plug the cable in? Does it come up on the TV or only on the phone?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] hkultraman:
Imagine you can project the slingbox video on a large screen.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Lord_BlackAdder:
I don't think so unless there is some software driver and application in the phone to output the video signal.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] TarKin:
only on the phone
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] clockcycle:
This is a fair example of what can be done http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=417616

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Any other leads towards determining if this feature exists or will exist on the CDMA Diamond?

thanks,

-CC

P.S. BTW this is the only thread about "video out" I could find. Searching shows results of over 256 threads with "video" and or "out".
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] GurneyHalleck:
How about video calling?

Imagine coming home after a hard days work, dropping your phone into its cradle next to the TV - it can play any music or vids you have through the TV/Stereo, and casually make and accept video calls whenever you like - it's, like, the future, man!

**edit 1**

Then you find a way of hacking the Wiimote, and display the phone screen itself on the TV whilst not in media playback, and use it as your mobile media/communications centre - send emails, YouTube, RSS, PodCasts, Films/Music, Video/Voice Calls, PowerPoint, as already mentioned in another thread...

and THEN! Because it'll look a bit naff on widescreen, you utilise the landscape mode of the phone (being researched in yet another thread) to display on TV. Of course, the cradle's hooked up with the charger too, so power's not an issue, and the phone is charged up and ready to go the next morning. The possibilities sound amazing to me. Or I could just be getting over-excited. :D

**edit 2**

... unlimited data plan is a pre-requisite... ;)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] tha_rami:
That might be the case. The Wiimote thing sounds a tiny, tiny bit overdone. The rest is quite possible if we (or actually, the great minds here that have figured most of our possibilities out) can just find a way to enable them.

First, I think I'd prefer Landscape mode.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] bedoig:
sub69 put together a cab of the TV-Out software from the Pro. It was for another user with a pre-release (US) AT&T Touch Pro that didn't come with the software preloaded. If anybody has a Diamond and a video cable, it might at least be worth a shot:

Check post #3 here.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] teddyen66:
No luck on mine :-(

i'm using dutty's 1.7 rom and a cable from Expansys
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] bedoig:
Worth a shot at least. It could be that there are other dependencies that are already built into most Pro ROMs, even if the actual software isn't included. Gonna take more work it looks like. Or, who knows, it might not be possible at all. Let's hope not though ;)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] teddyen66:
strange thing is that I get no popup when inserting the cable, and never has.

someone else wrote that he got a popup.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] bedoig:
I believe the person you are referring to is using a Touch Pro, not a Diamond. I could be mistaken, but I don't believe anyone has even confirmed identical USB pin-outs between the Pro and the Diamond. Might be a lost cause.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] teddyen66:
I think Tarkin in the thread above has a Diamond, but I don't know for sure :-)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] bedoig:
Ahh, good news! Thought you were referring to someone else ;)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Imaginati0n:
In every place is said that the hardware is the same :( ...let's hope is some sort of a driver in the rom or so...
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] MrBasiri:
As I said earlier HTC confirms that it's the same hardware in pro and diamond and that is just a software thing.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Blob8me:
I'm lucky enough to have both a Diamond and a Pro - I also have the TV Cable!

(see my post in thread http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=417616&page=5 for comments)

I have of course tried the cable with the Diamond and with the Raphael Software with no luck so - until we get a Rom that proves different then I must presume that there is also a hardware difference? Sorry guys.... :confused:

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[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] MAK11:
My guess is that it is activated in the rom (like the GPS, etc) Until then someone has to take a closer look at the Touch Pro and Diamond ROM and look and the similarities and difference between the them.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] cheifsfan:
I am pretty sure this is not the case since someone here in the US got the ATT touch pro without the TV out software ect. and all he did was load the software and TV out worked. He didn't need to activate it in the rom....

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[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Diskun:
That means nothing. Maybe there is a "switch" or module in the ROM, when it's ON or present, it allows the software to use the TV-Out, when it's OFF, it doesn't. So the hardware could be present but not accessable by the OS nor the software.

Think of it like the BIOS settings in your PC: Windows won't be able to access your USB ports or your hard-drives if your BIOS isn't properly configured.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] aje_fr:
Hi there !

I'm quite sure that hardware is different between the diamond and the pro especially motherboard !

The cpu architecture is the same but the peripheral isn't.

On the pro you have some feature that's not on the diamond :

- keyboard interface

- micro sd port

- flashlight.

And so, video out.

Sorry, but i'm sure that tv out is only for the pro !

B

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[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] TarKin:
well, to clear things up a bit:

go and run the attached zip on your diamond (no matter which rom) - plug in the cable - and voila - you get a selection screen. so, the cable *is* being detected correctly. guess we´ll have to wait and see until someone comes up with a solution for it :)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] teddyen66:
Hmm it doesn't pop up on mine, and when I open it manually I get the settings but they are not saved.

Strange that there are differences on the Diamond.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] dajudge01:
Since I both lack a Touch Pro and a TV out cable it's hard for me to look into it - but the first interesting information I guess would be since the pin-out seems to be the same (as indicated by recognizing the cable) is where those pins actually lead in the device - once that's confirmed to be the same on Pro and Diamond it should be a rather simple software problem (probably some drivers etc) to have that connected IC output the display contents via the special HTC USB port...

I guess what I am saying is: same hardware? same pinout? => only need the right software to get things working.

Can someone with a Pro test if TV out increases CPU load? If so, things would probably be even better since that means most of the required conversion is done in the CPU and the connected IC acts merely as a means of putting the signals on the cable. If that's the case and someone figures out how to do this things would get even more interesting: nothing but some reverse engineering would prevent us from acutally having something like dual-head support on both Diamond and Pro?

Still - I have no real clue about what's going on in those devices since I don't have a Pro - so it's just some fancy ideas for the moment :-)

Cheers,

Alex
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Blob8me:
Sorry - But The Diamond DOES NOT have a TV Out function!

As I said in my previous post - I have a Touch Pro, a Touch Diamomd and the TV Out Cable (Yes - I am lucky :cool: and Yes I earn my money and have MY boys toys!) and had yesterday loaded the Pro TV Cab onto my Diamond but with NO success - I am sure that it is not just a software (ROM) difference but that there is also a hardware change too???

This is not the news we wanted to here - but we should accept it and move on?

Look at how much time out friends on the Touch Dual wasted looking into the WiFi and GPS function that just did not exist????

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[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] tha_rami:
Just a quick realisation, according to the Manila Editor, there are no icons or mode9 files indicating that the TV-Out menu is inbuilt in the Diamond, like there were with the 'landscape menu'.

It could be that the lack of those files could be important to the ROM to (de)activate the option. However, seeing the window does seem to pop up every here and there, this could be a inaccuracy in the Editor or something already noticed and fixed.

As a logical guy, I would not rest with assumptions (like blob8me seems to imply), and I'd rather see someone check where the pin goes like the post above his (dajudge) suggests to figure out if there really IS a hardware difference. If the hardware indeed is identical not counting the keyboard, camera flash and cardreader, it would be a shame to live with a nerfed device.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] hdzsound:
cad

Does someone have some information about the PCB design of the Diamond and the Pro.

I have found the Diamond Service Manuel wish is quit interesting. But I have not find the information I needed.

Also the Touch Pro service Manuel !

nothing is impossible...
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] homestream:
is'nt manuel that spanish guy in Faulty Towers?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Syphon Filter:
I dont think it was, it was software that was running screen capture on the device and transmitting it to a PC.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] tha_rami:
As long as we're not sure, we're not sure. I want to know the schematics of the ExtUSB Pins and to where they go in the device. Since we're not getting anywhere by simply checking software, we might learn something there.

This might be a rash idea, but can't we just get a Raphael ROM to work on the Diamond?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] kikakeule:
well, it would be interesting wheather those, who got the screen working, used a cooked rom (and which) as some of them allready have some raphael stuff implementet as far as i read
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Imaginati0n:
Here is a review of the TV-Out on the pro.

http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=730

It seem fantastic...lets hope someone finds something in the pro rom or so...
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Sergio PC:
Wooowww thats awsome!:)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] fytos:
Faulty Towers

Si senior, it was :P

Still in the kitchen, still screwing up :eek:
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] lmr2003:
It's amazing !

Do you think we can dream having it on our Dimaond someday ?

I know that dev are on going.... Let's hope it will work
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] MrBasiri:
Buuuump.. Any news?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] makeveral:
i dont think it's possible... why should HTC hide that feature from the users??? it makes no sense..
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Chatty:
To have more arguments make you buy a Touch Pro of course! Ever heard of market differentiation?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] makeveral:
i think there are enough arguments to buy a Touch Pro.. and imagine all the money they would make selling that cable..

anyways i hope im wrong and its possible ^^
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] omar302:
I donlt know if anybody found this before, but I found this key in the registry of the official WWE-ME ROM:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\HTC\H2W:TVOutCableIn (Dword=0).
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Imaginati0n:
And why they hide the GPS in the P3600 makiveral ? I think is realy possible...anyone checked the registry string with the cable?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] krayero:
omar302! Good finding! Could anyone post the registry value for the same in a Touch Pro?

with the tv-out app grabbed from pro, and the cable, we should be able to use it after changing it to the right value!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Imaginati0n:
Any news of the people who had the Diamond and the cable?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] DiemetriX:
You don't know what you are talking about.

This may help but this is not the solution.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] pjmiebach:
It's the same value in the touch pro.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] rocky50:
any good news?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Imaginati0n:
anyone have news?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] ricarroyo88:
Well, I think is not posible, if not HTC would announce it like a future feature with an accesory
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] dazza9075:
someone pop it open and have a look inside and settle this once and for all, ideally would need a touch pro to compare with but i seriously doubt it will be intigrated in to main CPU so ID the chip then we can stop wasting time trying to find something that might not even be in it. Remember there are hardware differences between the two devices, the chances of them slapping an IC on a board jus for the sake of it is very slim as every penny counts,

IF its intigrated in to the main chip then potetially it might be possible but only if the pins are connected.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] G0G0:
anyone have news?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] tommyboybid:
so any news on this?

as an alturnative is there any device to stream wirelessly to a tv or monitor via wifi

Would be cool having a 8" potable lcd in my bag for easier surfing when away from home and without my laptop
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] riki1:
:( never TV OUT ?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] hoyler30589:
someone has posted pics of diamond motherboard in a thread about jtag will this help work it out?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] joey7415963:
In case anyone needed the links to the above:

Front: http://revskills.de/downloads/front.JPG

Back: http://revskills.de/downloads/back.JPG

Someone must know what to do! I dont want to have to spend even more money on a raphael! :(
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] ck.yueh:
so strange...

there's a question and nobody can answer on XDA???@@
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] jarheadev:
Hmmm

While I don't have a Diamond or Pro... *yet* -- I must admit I would prefer the lighter of the two if it could preform the TV-Out function.

...I've stumbled across some photos of the diamond doing just that...

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=VMCMKMSK

download the zip and see for yourself...

If I were to make an educated guess based on the design and fabrication of PCB layouts, it would seem obvious that this feature is either a jumper away from functioning OR its simply locked out by absent software. I looked at the PCB from the Diamond (from photos posted on this thread) and didn't find any glaringly obvious traces that were out of place or appeared to be missing a resistor/trace. So that lead me to believe the issue is software...

Has anyone ruled software or hardware out completely? It sounds like the idea of TV-Out on the Diamond is still a possibility... am I wrong?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] riki1:
There is nothing useable in this zip dokument for TV OUT :(
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] kevin_b_c:
The Diamond in these pictures is probably just connected to a computer with some sort of remote control software like MyMobile, and the computer's screen is being projected.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] kevin_b_c:
Judging by the pinout of the Enhanced Mini USB connector that the diamond used, there will never be a TV or VGA out adapter available.

EDIT: Guess I was wrong, Mic signal is used for Video out.

Data

A = GND

B = NC

C = +DATA

D = -DATA

E = +5v

Audio

1 = +Mic / Video Out

2 = +Right

3 = Switch

4 = Gnd

5 = Gnd

6 = +Left
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] rpassmore:
Why would you say that? Aren't those pins identical to the pins in this post?

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=2610305&postcount=19

Reading that, it seems possible.

This is still looking like it _could_ be a rom/driver issue, and not hardware.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] kevin_b_c:
Yea, you're right. Didn't do enough digging.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] uniqueboy:
Are there any electronics in the touch pro's TV out lead, does any one know? There could be a chip built into the USB plug, in which case it would be good news for us. :)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] kevin_b_c:
No chip in the Video out cable...

Video Cable Pinout

A,3,5 Ground

1 Video Out

2 Audio Right +

6 Audio Left +
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] joey7415963:
This is all good information, now we need a programmer! And possibly a few tests of the voltage at this particular pin
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] uniqueboy:
You make it sound so easy, If the pro does it and the hardware were the same in the Diamond I think it would be cooked into our roms by now. I think we are lacking a final stage modulator gizmo thing in the basic hardware. Pin outs are universal for htc, the hardware must switch them on the pro when it needs to. :)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] joey7415963:
Fair point, but a modulator can be implemented via software aswell
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] joey7415963:
in fact a modulator is easier to apply via software, its just a multiplication process.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Brendo:
just a thought....

id imagine diamond looked like this:

http://www.tracyandmatt.co.uk/blogs/index.php/2006/09/10/htc_hermes_usb_connector_pin_config

with touch pro having 4/5 for video
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] jarheadev:
TV-Out thoughts

Okay... so there are some of us who would like the TV-Out without having to spring for the Touch Pro.

HTC may have chosen to omit the TV-Out feature in the Touch Diamond for market positioning purposes OR the feature was physically omitted from the design for cost savings. It seems to me that like many other mass produced devices, the circuit board would have been provisioned with the traces to support a chipset needed to power the TV-Out feature.... OR this feature simply exists on the same chipset both the Diamond and PRO possess.

See page 3 of the following PDF;

http://web20.telecomtv.com/docs/f7e62028-1ab4-490d-8adb-dfc93628f845/MSM7200_Chipset.pdf

Yeah, thats right -- all the features of the Diamond/PRO are pretty much spelled out by a Qualcomm MSM7201 chipset datasheet -- And YES, TV-Out is a function of the actual chipset itself.... so what has HTC done to "turn it off" in the Diamond???

Btw... I just bought a HTC Touch Diamond from Future Shop for $89 with a contract from Telus... now only time will tell
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] jarheadev:
TV-Out

In case you are too lazy to read the PDF... the TV-Out "feature" is listed for the MSM7201A

http://www.htc.com/www/product/touchdiamond/specification.html

I came to a fair conclusion that the Touch Diamond indeed has a Qualcomm MSM7201A chipset... but after checking my CPU in Device Information on my newly purchased Diamond, I've discovered that it is actually a 7501A chipset!!!

So after some more reading... I've discovered that the MSM7500 chipset also offers the same "TV-Out" feature as shown in the MSM7201A datasheet. According to the block diagram, its a built-in feature within the chip AND it's not dependant on anything else within the chip...

Hrmmm.... interesting...
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] birkov10:
Mmm, I´ve checked my Diamond and it has a 7201A chipset also I´ve ported the TVOUT package from a Rafael´s rom and when I try to run the settings it pop up a Window saying the next:

#####################

# TV Out cable (accesory ) is

# needed to output to an

# external display.

#####################

but i haven´t a cable to test if really works :confused:

Other thing is that the TV Out package uses the next library:

OEM_Misc.dll -> version: 1.90.0.0

while my Diamond´s Rom ( Spanish ) has a newer one:

OEM_Misc.dll -> version: 1.93.0.0

I´ve installed the Rafael´s library with other name ( also i´ve changed the key that load this .dll, of course ) to avoid problems.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Chatty:
@birkov10: Talk to sub69 - he own's the cable and both a Diamond and a Pro.