yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] Rosli59564:
1. No

2. Yes. Even samsungpay works but from the watch only in android 9. Not sure 10.

3. Samsung health work. Not sure what was the workaround but it is ready baked in the rom

4. Secure folder work. Not sure what was the workaround but it is ready baked in the rom

5. No difference in rooting between 9 & 10. But you need android10 bootloader to boot up android 10 rom. So if you root at Pie, need to flash bootloader seperately.

6. All oneui custom roms have working spen. Not knox related. I don't know about kernel. I'm just using the one with the rom. You will have to search which is the best for your phone and usage.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Bardia Garsha:
Sorry to waste a thread but I guess I have a point here:

Coming from Hermes and then Kasier communities (and flashing hundreds of SPL/Radio/Rom on my Hermes & Kaiser for many months) I thought that at least I am able to upgrade HardSpl or Radio or Rom on any PDA.

Now I've got my Diamond and entering the Diamond Rom dev I feel as if I've entered a new website.

What's going on here ? Chefs and developers have teamed up together and are divided into various groups competing with each other. Diamond rom dev is not having the cooperative feeling of Kaisr community at all.

There's no unified (bipartisan) thread for HardSpl. Each group is saying that our HardSpl is the best.

I understand that different ROM developers make different roms. But what about HardSpl and Radio ?

ROM threads are turned to Stickys???

Isn't it something new to this community?

Even HardSPl threads (directly or indirectly) direct us to certain ROM dev teams.

Am I the only person confused here ?

What happened to the bipartisan Moderators ABOVE rom chefs ?

In fact, as far as I can see, Chefs have become Mods and this weakens the unified and bipartisan feel we used to see in Hermes or Kaiser ...etc. communities and throughout the entire xda forum.

Is it only me ? Are there any other confused members noticing that Diamond ROM Dev is taking an unusual direction?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] wontcachme:
I don't know how it was before, but i agree with you. Rom teams are popping like mushrooms and the threads keep getting bigger and bigger. For a newbie like mee i needed a couple of days just to read in to everything because of the lack of clearnes.

If the Rom Chefs just worked together and share idea's than this would be just great. Then it's also easier to make different languages. Now it salmost all the time WWE en nothing more because if someone wants to do that, they loose the competition of the fastest release.

Also the topic starts can be clearer. Enormous pictures, lettersize 18, etc.... does not help. I think there are some moderators needed here that restore order and are not Rom Chefs
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] ykat:
you are right

i am "just" a junior member, but if you check my account you can see i am here for a "longer" time.

so..

i came here from ARTEMIS threads and i feel the same as you but i did not want to mention it as a "junior member"

Old, well known, clever and cool guys went mad here in this section.. :(

i am not sure why.

it "threatens me" a little bit, makes a pressure on me (sorry for poor english, i hope you can understand me.) i feel a little bit unconfortable. something like that.

This is why i made an own ROM based on STOCKs (thanks for HardSPL, for everybody who dumped the ROMs, etc..) and useing tweakapps.

(i don't want to use names....):

As i can see the guys who are makeing the tweaking apps are ok, but some of the guys who are cooking the ROMs has changed in this section.

anyway: ALL RESPECT for those who make DIAMOND better!!!!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Bardia Garsha:
I'm afraid my point was not about lack of multilanguage roms ...etc.

I do NOT even want chefs to work together and make a brilliant rom for ME. The beauty of any Free Society is in its competition , diversity and plurality.

My point was something else - well I guess i mentioned it in my post:D
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] wardy:
Yea I agree . I have been on these forums a while and this is a bit messy and I guess very daunting if you are a newbie.

1) Please Sticky the ROM Threads

2) Please sticky the RADIO Threads

3) Please Sticky the SPL Threads

Oh and please, please, please, lets start pulling our resources together . I love to try out all the ROMS and if we share our knowledge aren't we in a better position to get what we al want . The Pefect ROM !!

I know I'll probably get shot down in flames for this and my software dev knowledge you can right on a postage stamp but I do know about winning teams.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] panosha:
You are not alone. :confused:
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] anheuer:
I Agree...
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] racerx_:
absolutely agree.

personally i'd like to see one thread of hard-spls instead of 4 haha.. its quite cluttered..
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] ceevee369:
Hear die well

You got another yes behind your remarks- Said but true.:(

I started with XDA Trion - Moved to TytnII and was pretty happy with the set directions- Mod support -bashing of newbies (myself included).

The Diamond ROM forum is "different":

- Not enough Mod's to have a closer look on garbage posted (Oliver- Mark...you do have my PM's ;))

- A lot of Newcomer's on the Diamond- a lot of reduntant threads.

- INDEED, confusing HardSPL - ROM signed vs. non signed messages. Pointed out the (smallest) finger to the Chefs already - But hey, we need them! So let's not complain - Competition is not bad bewtween them.

I called it already the "War of the Chefs" in a thread , so let us benefit of it though....---> TOO MANY Roms with mostly spin-off's of one build :(

I saw a message on BePe's thread from a guy asking for less ROM's but Final ones with bug's sorted out. For sure, no one is forced to Flash anyway, but it just fill's the thread's with 100.000.000 time WOW -Downloading now ! etc.

I believe that it is our duty as older dweilers to support the chefs in terms of newcomers direction set-up. They cook, we taste, we give feedback - advice and we don't ask for too much, cause it is free.

Anyway, again, I follow your reasoning and do hope first of all to see better Mod support on the Diamond forum. I know the guys are under-manned, so they should maybe look into a few new mod's (my time zone is very favorable to clean dirt between Australia and Birmingham - tip)

Cheerio

I do believe that we are only at the beginning of a Forum which will grow a LOT seeing the possibilites the Diamond can offer.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] mugglesquop:
agreed. i started with Artemis, then TYTNII, now Diamond... and i have to say the Diamond part of the forums is a whole new beast :confused:
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] jasjamming:
too many roms, so little time, are people forgetting that they purchased their devices so they can be used... its turning out that they are just being flashed constantly on a daily basis.

back in the hermes days, when roms were developed, updated roms would generally be released on a monthly basis after feedback was collected from peoples experiences with the current rom.

i still peek over here now and then to see whats up and it is a bit of a mess.

well, if the diamond forum is a mess, the touch pro will even be worse once wm7 beta is avail for it.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] jasjamming:
btw. im waiting for the touch pro and will be developing roms for it, but not wm6.1 roms as the kernel and OS itself is a pos.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] TheWizzard2203:
I think the problem is the lack of structure. It's hard to tell which rom is new from which dev group. Everything is mixed up. A couple of rom devs started to put the date in front of a post with a new rom. I think that's the first step in the good direction.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] cyphol:
Hmmm....

Listening........!:cool:
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] liamhere:
where are the mods :confused:

we need someone to tidy the forum up
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Bardia Garsha:
haven't we been doing this in Kaiser & other communities ? just look how attentively we (as a little bit more senior members) try to reply and solve brand-new n00bs in other threads.

this thread is different. how can i help a n00b when i myself am too confused what HardSpl to flash ?

this seems to be the beginnig of a commercial rom movement. it's not mentioned directly anywhere, but throught the whole thread I can hear this loud & clear :

We left things complicated , jumbled and unclear so that if you want to know what the whole thing is about , you pay for it.

I tried to seach "How to Hard Reset Diamond" for an hour. couldn't find anything. it's my personal feeling : it's beginning to get commercial.

everybody like to see that. But don't you think there's a reason behind this confusion?

Unlike all the other threads, there's an apparent lack of Authoritative Voice in diamond thread.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] surface_rom:
i coul'dnt agree more, this forum so so messed up.

Even DEV-teams has split an releasing roms as team members of that dev-team, and another member of that team is filling that thread with content...WHUUUTT, i cant explain it properly so hard is it to understand.

I think we need mods to take control and tidy things up a bit.

My vision of the ideal Diamond forum

Sticky:

- SPL's(soft, hard), just one, not a dev and a signed.(al spl's work great so why have many of them)

- Radio's(thread starter sums them up in order of release date and build number)

- Rulez of engagement for everyone who want to post here

Rest:

- For each rom dev team(or single person) one thread with rom info and downloads and the thread title started with a date.

- For questions and such, search first and then ask(NOOBS)

Ill inform some mods here.

gr
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] cyphol:
If you've ever been in Kaiser's forum then you'll know what's the diff between many versions of SPL. I dont' see why it has to be one SPL only if others make some differences. JockyW2001 knows better. He's been cracking and modifying SPL versions for Kaisers' users. It doesn't mean that Oli is not a good developer. He's the one who started it. Only that now we have our options. It's not their fault if noobs get into trouble trying to understand all of the purposes.Do you know why? Laziness is not tolerable. Lazy to read...Lazy to search...bla..bla..bla...

Yeah! I like this forum clean but not to the extend of " You should not develope any alternative for us! We already have one here!" Now, go to Kaiser Forum and read. Go to Hermes forum and read. Go to other forums and read. This is XDA-Developers Site

Sorry, I said what I want to say.

Cyphol.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] P1Tater:
No-one has reported that it is needed.

I am willing to do the job, but I do not have a Diamond and will need some input as to what should be deleted, kept, stickied or whatever the case may be.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] the-equinoxe:
Maybe a good topic to discuss "downstairs" first..

Isn't there a dedicated mod for the diamond-forums?

Or aren't there dedicated mods for the forums?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] sergiopi:
My 5 cents comes from my life experience and from my Hermes-Excalibur-Athena forums....

Life is changing here, signs? forum size (and community) increased, donate is a business to someone, bad experiences (no respect for the job done from others), protections, password, just to point out some things

In the Athena section something like this was started and ended now, manly not because to moderation BANning power, but from normal users complaining all together against the language, the fighting, like you does here

As I said before, LIFE is changing here (and it is normal growing up) and some effort is needed to restore the "easy living" place we always had. HOW?

A STUPID can't even see a problem, an AVERAGE mind see the problem, SMART mind points out the road to the problem's solution.

Sorry, I think I am not too smart, but the only thing I can see is... there isn't a moderation solution, there are USERS solutions.

Say it LOUD in the forum topics, STOP THIS, say it when and every time is needed, leave fighters alone, STOP DONATIONS to the fighters :)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Reb0rn:
I actually feel like this forum makes it way to complicated when it actually is very easy. Some guys like the dude that made the

http://www.modmydiamond.info/ site actually tries to help out. He so got some donation from me :P a small one.

But i mean some ROM builders update constantly really without actually saying whats new to them or whats not new and fumbles with their files making so that the end user do not know what he is using, i used to have a ROM wich i finally got confused about wich version i actually had cuz 2 RAR's where made with different version name but same content. sadly, i stoped using it cuz of no response after like 5 posts on that particular forum...

and some ROM builders are nice enough to share their bandwith with different apps and stuff, and very clear on what they have done...

Those ppl earn respect.

I feel like some ppl think that just because they gave very much from their own time to make something fantastic for us for free (Or hopefully some donations) they can make a big ass mess for us. i watched the kaiser forums... they r beautiful really... here, on some places it really looks sloppy... sorry to say. Thou i am extremly thankful for what we get where ppl actually gave 110% of themselfs to make fabulous ROM's...

EDIT: This is SOLY my own view of things... I might be terribly wrong...
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Bardia Garsha:
Come on bro, if your understanding of what i started is this, then i should be too worried about my English language skills and my ability to convey a message.

we're all prone to mistakes; yet i trust if you judge fairly , there's a grain of truth in what i said.

please rest assured that :

1 - i'm no advocate of laziness

2 - i hate conformity and am a fervent supporter of pluralism & free market

it's very unfortunate that my call for clarity and my plea for a more unified/systematic knowledge database be interpreted as a sign of lethargy or a desire for stagnation and conformism
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] lpsi2000:
Interesting, I shall keep my eyes opened and my hears to the ground :)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Riel:
Isn't keeping up a good Wiki the way.

A wiki extracts the most needed from the forums.

I dont know Kaisers, but for a year or two ago I was in the Magician forum and the wiki is very obvious.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] cyphol:
I'm not condemning you, bro but some other messages from some other guys telling what other developers are doing is not good. I'm not one of those developers because I'm just a user. What if the developers taking all these messages seriously? It'll be be very unfortunate for us as the users. When they're gone, when there're no more HardSPL, when there're no more good solution then what will be this site for?

As I said, I do like this forum to be as clean as possible. Yes Mods should do something.

Again, What you started is good, only responses sometimes made me mad.

What I don't like also is the people who like to point fingers to others' simple mistake while they're doing worse before. I'm here since many years, ago. So I know them better..use other's mistake as a stepping stone.

Sorry, again, I'm not condemning you, bro. Reading your first initial post, I feel the same too but some responses by some members is not.

My apology for the misunderstanding, bro. I'm not making an anemy here. No hard feelings and 0:0 , OK.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] cmonex:
as for HSPL's...

blame 1) HTC for MPU protection 2) Olipro for the signed Hard-SPL ;) 3) again blame HTC for changing some hardware *after* mass production started

if HTC hadn't extended the MPU protection to SPL, the first released SPL (jocky's, under tomcodon's name) would have worked for more than preproduction devices.

and then if there hadn't been a signed edition, there wouldn't have been dollypro, or any other unsigned hard-SPL release.

and finally, if HTC hadn't changed something in the screen hw, then some people wouldn't need a new hard-SPL based on 1.37 SPL.

as for ROMs, I don't know... but possibly the reason is that the diamond is a "cool" device that attracts more people than usual.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] ceevee369:
Tater, thanks for this response.

I did send several PM's to Oliver and Mark, for example suggesting a "Diamond Software" thread as the 'Diamond" thread combines everything and nothing now. I did send a few PM's requesting to close threads as an example to newcomers that everyone has to adapt to the XDA rules, tone and manner, as done on YytnII etc.

I do understand lack of available Mod's which is an intern XDA issue.

I am willing to contribute $ if it can help putting a bit more attention on the Diamond thread to keep it clean, fun and inspiring for everyone.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] cyphol:
Well, this is how it should be expressed. Good post.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Bardia Garsha:
hey old-timer ,

first off, i know that you're NOT just a user (you're in to cooking and all :cool:) and i like your work.

secondly, "hard-feeling"?? come on pal, you're among those i admire a lot and from whom i've learnt a lot ; without guys like you, this forum wouldn't be half rich & informative as it is now.

finally, i read your post a few times and should admit that you've got an important point there - a point i'd almost overlooked, and that is "assholes taking advantage of what i started and take it to some ugly levels".

in fact, for a moment, i thought if this unfortunate thing happens and if guys like Dutty, Oli, Tom, Jocky ... take it seriously and lose their interest in staying and sharing their knowledge and talent , then the whole forum turns into a cheap boring chit-chat station. OMG, that would be terrible.

let's hope this thread doesn't get ugly. let's hope it brings us some good ideas resulting in order and clarity (as it originally intended to) , for if it takes some ugly turns , then i'll be the first to beg P1Tater or other big bosses to close it down immediately.

speaking of ideas, did someone mention a Diamond Wiki? he was damn right. Wikis are the juice & essence of any such informative comuinuty. i'm sure you've noticed that in SPL/HardSpl threads of diamond there are links to SPL in Kaiser wiki - we all know that these devices are different and a diamond subject followed in Kaiser wiki may not be very helpful - it might even be misleading.

i wish i had the knowledge and qualifications to write a diamond wiki myself :( maybe we can sqeeze a bit more $$ donation so that a qualified person take the matter in hand and blesses us with a diamond wiki.

God bless you

Bardia
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Bardia Garsha:
brilliant clarification

What a brilliant clarification - THANK YOU.

i wish this single message of yours could be pinned (as a sign) at the top of Diamond thread. this way at least everybody knew onto what grounds he's stepping and he would already know he'd see many signed/unsigned Spl/roms and why.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Riel:
THe wiki exist but layed-out very bad and mostly empty.

We must ask that modmydiamond fella if he would share his texts for the wiki here. He did what should have been done here: follow the forum from the beginning, and extracting and compressing the most important to usable guides.

1) One should link to his site via the wiki

2) We must ask for his texts and pics

3) We have to write it ourselves.

Than make VERY OBVIOUS for new users, to flash, use the WIKI. Make a faq out of most questions's in diamond and rom dev forums. And link the wiki to appropriate topics when questions exists, so no new topics will be made. The WIKI could also be present as a Sticky, where new users see in a glance what they shoud do and where to put their questoins.

I think an alternative way like this is needed, just because there are so darn many diamond users (I see nearly 800 online at once in Diamond forums sometimes!!)

And, explain the use of HSLP's and the differences.

Than tidy up existing topics ;)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] racerx_:
:D you're free to port any of it to the wiki.. its all just to help people. But i chose to put it on a separate site because organizing/managing the info (especially as the site grows) is muuuch easier with a content management system than trying to manually shift it around in a wiki. I do agree that getting the wiki going is something we definitely need to look in to, and i would like to help with that. My personal opinion is there's a lot of other useful static info that the wiki can be used for very effectively, besides the upgrade guides. When i had my Trinity, i remember someone made a huge table in the wiki listing all the ROMs official and non, which version of windows mobile it was, blah blah. That was quite good as threads get buried fast.. unless someone wants to manage a sticky of those kind of things like Toms Radio thread.. however, IMHO, we're a bit over-stickified in the diamond forums... ha

and i agree about the Diamond software thread.. very good idea. Kaiser forums are quite well organized i think..
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Pietje_1985:
Reorganize Diamond Thread

Hello everybody,

I totally agree with everybody...even though i'm quite a newbie with XDA and stuff I managed to get the most out of my mobile phone thanxx to XDA. I have had a touch before and I have to say...It was better organised,that Thread..

I am wondering if it would be possible to Re-organize the whole thread...

It would make everything more clear to everybody I think...

Cheers

Jeroen
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] cyphol:
Very good. Now it is starting to be a good thread again. :cool:
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] racerx_:
let the wiki begin! http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=410757
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Bardia Garsha:
i looked at your thread, but to be honest i don't understand how it's going to be a wiki by just people reporting what their original rom/radio/protocol/spl ... versions are:confused:
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] racerx_:
well it'll at least get us started with something like this:

http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_Cooked_ROMs

and i think with all the hard-spl's and spl issues ppl have its good to track the original ROMs... cooked ROMs i'm working on slowly. i was thinking of a reply more along the lines of "hey thanks for actually doing something to the wiki" ha

**edit**

began compiling ROM versions here

also started an upgrade FAQ on the wiki based off questions in the forum.. but it doesn't create the hyperlink on the main page.. have to click the "?" to see the info i created.. not sure why.. anyone?

also, the formatting the for ROM version info was already there so i just filled it in.. we shouldn't have ExtRom info on ours right? and what is HTC_Boot?