yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] magblo:
I have also investigated this with battery consumption (after i had to charge the phone two times a day...) and my conclusion was that the diamond consumes almost the double of power when talking in the phone on a 3g network (~800ma) compared to talking on 2g network only (350-450ma). I also noticed that the battery consumption didn't go back to normal for several seconds/minutes after the call when I was on a 3g network. On 2g the consumption went back almost immediate.

Further I notice that the stand-by time is much better when on 2g only compared to auto. It looks like the phone switches a lot between 2g and 3g where I live and this can might be a problem, however this seams odd because i have usually full coverage on both networks. The coverage on 3g seams to decrease more and more after a while...?

Regards,
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Ximoon:
Furthermore, the phone will use much more power in area where the 2g/3g signal is low, so if you work or live underground, or in a place with poor reception, the battery will be drained much faster.

My own diamond lasts 2 or 3 days avaerage with normal use (including calls, sms, internet (on Edge mostly), agenda and stuff.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] pauliu:
My Diamond (1.93.832.2/1.00.25.05) was warm during standby, the battery can only last half day. Sometimes when I charge it overnight, it hang in the morning and the body was quite warm.

Afterward I did two things on it, the problem seems gone away. I uninstalled GSEN and installed .net CF 3.5, not sure which one solve the problem, or it is just a coincidence.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] excepti0n:
I get about a day (18 hours), but I have Fring on at all times, I think that's fair usage.

All programs off, flight mode not on, wifi off, 3G on, BT off, push off:

On, awake: 150 to 68 mA (150 mA for 10 secs, then drops)

Sleep (press power button shortly or wait long): 13 mA

Flight mode on:

On, Awake: 143 mA to 68mA (150 mA for 20 secs, then drops to 90, finally down to 68 after 30 s)

Sleep: 53mA to 15mA

Be sure to give it enough time to let it settle in sleep mode. It continues to use up to 70 mA in sleep mode until about 30 seconds into it.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] AH64-D:
For all tests: backlight is set to low

14mA / standby flightmode

50mA / flightmode with display on

51mA / phone on in 2G mode (full reception)

50mA / phone on in 3G mode (2 bars reception)

142mA / only Active Sync

144mA / Active Sync and phone on in 2G mode(full reception)

67mA / only WiFi 54MBit mode with full reception and best battery option

50mA / only Bluetooth without connected devices(incomming connections disabled)

The behavior in flightmode with display on seems to be faulty. If the phone is on or off the difference is only about 2-6mA, I can´t understand that.

My Battery is empty after 1.5 days. I noticed also drops of 5% till 10% after a soft reset.

Rom Bepe 0.97 Premium(1.94.00.00) / Radio 1.00.25.05
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] yeche:
Hi

I am trying to get the power gourd, but I am only getting file download.php

What is this file? How can I get the software?

Thanks
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] mosquitone:
Where's the difference?

My Diamond's (spanish) battery life is about 3-4 days.

Genral use: some short phone calls, some SMS, Turning On and Off a lot (using as watch), taking some notes.

-Wifi OFF (used every day for 15min.)

-3G OFF (not used)

-Blutooth OFF (not used)

-GPS OFF (not used)

The only change i did with "Advanced Config Manager" is set "GPRS Auto attach" to "disabled".

So, where's the differrence? Why everybody talks about the "bad" battery...

I didn't try other tweaks then the mentioned...

Some people report only 18 houres of battery life...

Realy, someone can tell me where is the difference between the battery life?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] kolbac:
that's why we started to monitor the mA with powerguard, so we can see if the shorter battery time is connected to some hardware failures.....

it's incredible that is so much difference in battery time between 12 hours and 2 or 3 days...

try also measuring your mA so we can compare your long lasting battery time with the others.

thanks
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] gioiellino:
i have panosha 1.6 + radio .19, i'm happy because i have stop charging battery at 8:00 1/09/2008 and now 2/09/08 at 13:00 i have 50%.

dont touch tf3d twicks
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] TDO:
Just rename the file to powerguard.cab and copy it to your phone.

TDO
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] PJ6363:
appears to me that whether you have 2G or 3G activated makes no difference to power consumption UNTIL you actually use same? This sort of makes sense.....right ??
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] AH64-D:
I think with better 3G reception the consuption should be less than 2G. Maybe i can test with a better 3G reception and proof this. As described in the norm GSM needs more energy than UMTS.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] bechevin@mail.ru:
I have 1.93 RUS rom with standard radio...

My provider MTS (RUS) began 3G network from august this year in our city...

Early i`ve had Mteor with Qualcom chipset with 3G withaut active GPS and i realy used 3-4 days withaut recharging with radio set GSM and Europe band

Bought Diamond 2 weeks ago and have has next history:

Radio set: Auto and Auto Band - active use -1 day

Radio set: Auto and Auto Band - active use + 20 mins GPS -4-5 hours max.

Radio set: Auto and UMTS(900+2100)+GSM(900+1800) -1 day active use +GPS -4-5 hours max.

Radio set: GSM and UMTS(900+2100)+GSM(900+1800) -second day active use...the batery 35% (16:00) night in flight mode

How set use my prov??? I dont know, but 3G very poor and i seeing 3G, E, G, next 10-15 mins and again grey E, full G, ful 3G, poor 3G, poor G ...

And one: On the WM smartphone battery eating screen plugin thos realy redrawing screen very ofen and i have q? Probably we can change refresh of screen rate and refresh manila rate ???

sory fo my poor Englesh...
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Mark5:
for under 20 quid....

And for a couple of quid more, you can have the hi-cap 1800mAh battery instead of the 900mAh one...

http://www.gpsforless.co.uk/product_details.php?id=14041
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] podman2004:
there are a few people stating that they don't see any improvement using eth cheap 1800mah batteries, maybe you get what you pay for. There again a spare battery is useful even if it is only realy about eth same as a standard
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] kolbac:
hi,

it will be useful if anyone that bought the original 1340mah battery can post the results about battery consumption.

I see in many other forums that some people cannot arrive at 12 hour and others arrives at least at 1.5 - 2 days of usage, really cannot understand why these differences.

From what i can see now in this thread seems that the diamond with only the phone on and display off consume about 13mA of battery, which is a very low measurement.

Also seems that not all the diamond can achieve that performance, so there are different battery drains.

Please continue posting your mA with powerguard, so we can understand better.

thanks

bye
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] roadrunner2022:
which program do you use to read the power consumption?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] kolbac:
hi,

powerguard 1.2

it's free

bye, please post your readings

thanks
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] patterns:
i get the same if i use 3g or 2g - 1.5 days of good use, compared to 2/ 2.5 days with my cruise, its not so bad.

i am very interested in the bigger battery and case, however i have heard that it disables the gps/camera function - is this true both with the cheap ones on ebay and original (if there is an original)??
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] patterns:
I had this with my first diamond - i think its a fault, well thats what orange said to me. my new one only gets hot when in the car charger or after a long conversation (say 1.5-2 hours)

try to exchange it, or get insurance. Im a heavy phone user and get 1.5 days, this i think is what the diamond is capable of. to be honest tweaks etc etc etc havent really made any difference, maybe ever so marginally but not noticeable
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] PanNet:
Hi,

I have same problem with battery life like you. Even I've bought new battery. Problems with battery started after install hardSPL and change software. Before battery kept 2, 3 days. Now 10 hours and sometime less. 20 minutes driving with gps drains battery from 100% to 20%. Horrible. It seems that was very big mistake buing this phone. What for is the phone if I must have 2 spare batteries.

Today after changed battery for 5 hours I had 30%, installed HomeScreen_PlusPlus_UI. Normal work 160mA. I switched off active sync and after that current dropt up to 59mA. When wake up phone the current is 10mA. (TouchFLO set up off). After next 5 hours I had 24% and mobile was cold. It seems that hardSPL and activesync hinder.

Regards
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] laser21:
U wrote htc about the issues, thats what they replied:

If you are still experiencing issues with battery life, please follow these steps to improve battery life.

1. Stop running the GPS software if not in use. (Tap Start > Settings > System tab >Task Manager.)

2. Disconnect your data connection if not in use. (Tap Start > Programs > Comm Manager.)

3. Turn off your Bluetooth connection if not in use. (Tap Start > Programs > Comm Manager.)

4. Turn off your Wi-Fi connection if not in use. (Tap Start > Programs > Comm Manager.)

5. Change Power Save Mode from Best Performance to Best Battery in the Wireless LAN setting. (Tap Start > Settings > Connections tab > Wireless LAN > Power Mode tab..)

6. Please check the sync schedule for receiving and downloading incoming mails. For after work hours, it is recommended that you increase the time interval for receiving e-mails to save battery. (Tap Start> Programs > ActiveSync > Menu > Schedule to adjust the sync status in Peak time and Off-peak time.)

7. Set your device to auto adjust the backlight so that the light sensor will automatically adjust the brightness of the screen. (Tap Start > Settings > Backlight tab and then select check Auto adjust backlight.)

8. In standby mode, WCDMA uses lesser power than GSM mode. On the other hand, in talk mode, GSM uses lesser power than WCDMA. You can tap Start > Settings > Phone > Band tab, and then set your network type to Auto.

9. Stop running the applications that are not in use. (Tap Start > Settings > System tab > Task Manager.)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] kolbac:
hmmm....they don't have any other clues??? :(

My diamond is still in the repair center....hope they have found some failures...
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] kolbac:
for the hardspl....you can try to flash the normal spl after you do a rom update...and see if you have some improvements
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] laser21:
No, they had no other clues...I just wrote them, if they see an option to exchange my diamond. Waiting for a reply...

Kolbac please keep us updated about your repair status. Thanks
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] frederikk:
Lol.... i love the answers from HTC...

They have forgot to tell us not to power on the device when we don't use it... this is very good for battery ;)

Ciao

Fred
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] dazzler007:
all too new for me yet....

Apologies for my ignorance...

having only had my Diamond 10 days, incredibly disappointed with battey life lasting only 9 hours in aircraft mode!! and 4/5 hours "normal" use, i.e. no GPS, no WiFI, just phone and messages!!!:mad:

Posts, including this thread, suggest upgrading ROM etc.

As a new user, I'm apprehensive and unclear about this.

Can someone point me to a good beginners guide to upgrading (safely).:confused:

Thank you for your patience, hope to contribute more effectively with time!:)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] hawkeyetim:
start here

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=416211

Tim
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] ziao:
once every month is fine, its usualy done to recalibrate the battery (saying this is 100% and this is 0%), but letting it die daily (like mister pie said) is bad, and will slowly ruin the lifetime
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] EazyVG:
lol :))))

+1 - keep it unpacked ... no charging = no discharging.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] frederikk:
So for you it is better to charge it almost everyday ( let's say ) ? Just asking because i'm doing it like mister pie.. waiting for the laert of poor battery to charge it... but it is probably due to my ignorance... and i remeber a time where it was not adviced to do that... but i can change :)

Ciao

Fred
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] kolbac:
some news from the repair center....for the battery problem

some bad news....:(

the mainboard of my diamond is broke, so they recognized that isn't normal that after 10hour of standby the battery is gone.

But....they need a new mainboard directly from taiwan......

so i had to wait for a loooong time, before my diamond return...:(
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] laser21:
thanks for the update
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] rednose100:
This is then looking like we have many mainboard problems
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Argun:
My battery lasts at least 2 days with 2 hours talk, 30 minutes of Backgammon, bluetooth off, no or a few minutes of GPS usage, 10-15 minutes of internet activity. Checking e-mails for a few times (pop3).

My battery was full at 12:00 today, I talked to a friend for 2 hours with a bluetooth headset and my battery was somewhere at 60%.

Not good, not bad I think...
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] The Jones:
I wonder what your opinion is on my battery usage. I think there may be a problem, but its hard to know.

I set off at about half 7 in the morning with a full battery. 3g, wifi and bluetooth all off. Checking 1 email account every hour and my work email every 15 minutes from 9.

I play games for about an hour in the morning on the train. Then with perhaps 5 minutes on phone calls, 5 minutes of web browsing and maybe another 5 minutes of playing around, the battery is at about 20% at 6pm. Oh, during the day in my office I normally have 2-3 bars of reception and only activesync running.

Do I have a possible borked phone? Or am I just a reasonably heavy user (with all my morning gaming etc) and therefore its ok?

Thanks
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] rosebud:
I have found that over time, the battery has conditioned itself. dont get me wrong still not brilliant, but I am getting at least a full days use out of my diamond, push email all day, about an hour on the phone, several texts, I find the battery drains most when using satnav, multimedia or bluetooth, but then again, home, car, work I'm never that far from a charger / USB cable, so if I did have a battery drain problem.. I wouldn't be too bothered
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] tzour:
Yes, the battery life will improve overtime: See the last post on http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=426319&highlight=battery&page=16. Just frequently charge your battery for a while to reach its maximum capacity :)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] AminSharaf:
How I solved the problem

Meanwhile I have solved my battery issue and the diamond is working fine for me (with a few workarounds).

The main issue seems to be that the diamond is not switching off the data connection after a certain idle time. At least that was my issue.

There is a program here in the board to enable the data connection to be switched off after some time: GB-SOFT Tweak or something like that.

That will switch off the data connection, whenever it is not used.

the remaining problem is, that some applications keep the data connection busy and it won't be closed therefore. What I have read and experienced those applications are Opera, Google Maps and Youtube. So, whenever you really close those programs after use you'll be fine with your battery life.

Cheers

Amin
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] cepterbi:
don't let them die

Li-Ion batteries don't need to be died out...it could even shorten the lifetime of the battery. And even so the phone works from a minimum voltage and then say it's empty while there is still juice in the battery. just not enough for the phone to work. If u really want to discharge the battery you should install a glowbulb (low voltage) on the battery and let it rest for appr. a day. But like i said it shortens the lifetime from (or even break) the battery.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] batghost:
Best Solutions

Please noted that the battery price are very cheap (compare to other htc brand battery)

in my country (jakarta-indonesia) the price for ORIGINAL battery is around 16USD, so i buy 2,

and use a very cheap (around 3usd) 2 unit of clip charger that can stop charging when its full

so i get 3 battery, 2 for going out, and 1 for home (use my wifi to record radio using resco radio)

i use skype + im+ + exchange + and bluetooth a2dp for always listen to music

i browse a lot & use garmin most of the time

every battery last for 5 hours

i have using this method for 1 month and so far none of my battery were damage by using this charger

and i have never use diamond as charger anymore

Now, THIS IS THE WAY WE CAN ENJOY DIAMOND !!!!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] yohnd:
I too am having serious issues with my Diamond.

I recently(3 days ago) got the Sprint CDMA version of the phone. Last night I charged my phone before I went to bed. I unplugged it at 11PM, when I woke up at 7AM to check it, the battery was at 50%. There were no programs running when I went to bed. I have it set up to check gmail and hotmail every 2 hours. 7 hours later(and 1 twelve minute call, that's it), I'm getting the warning that the battery is about to die.

Truly shocking battery life is this is the norm.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] robdos:
I was suffering with the battery life also, but having read the comments on this thread I made some changes to the config yesterday, and this morning the battery seems to be holding out much better.

I received my phone from o2 on Wednesday, gave it a full charge, but it died that evening.

After an overnight charge I traveled to London on Thursday, and the phone was again dead by 6pm. I was checking mail, made 5 or so calls and a few txt messages - in my experience with my other two XDA's this is normal use.

On Sunday my phone had another full charge, but was dead on monday morning - not good!

So, yesterday I turned off 3G - although I get good coverage in my office, at home there is no 3g coverage.

I also downloaded the advanced config tool, and under Power Management turned on all the "advised" tweaks. I also turned down the Backlight a notch.

I havent plugged in the phone since about 11 am yesterday. Last night there was about 60% battery left and to be honest I expected it to be dead this morning, however looking at the battery life now (8am) I have 50% left, so it has survived the night quite well.

I've also been making sure that the screen is off when I place it in its pouch.

I'm going to turn on 3G again and see how it fairs tonight at home, but I'm now happy with my diamond!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] grahamkdt:
Looks or life?

It seems pretty clear to me, and I can guarantee it's something HTC thought about long and hard... do we make this device small and sexy and sacrifice a bit of battery life, or fat and ugly and please those users that want a week on one charge?

I know what option I'd go for everytime. And besides, if you want more power, buy the extended battery and just see what it does to the looks of your precious Diamond!! ;)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] xanatos2008:
I see a lot people complaining about their battery. I charged my precious device 3 days ago and there is still 50% left even though i used it alot for sending text messages. I just always make sure that the device is in standby, while im not using it and that 3g is deactivated in locations with no coverage.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] klace:
Seems 2 groups

Seems we have dived to 2 groups,

one is the group who have the battery life for at least 24 hours.

the other group... not last for more than 12 hours.

and ... i'm in the second group...

i tested the battery consumption with Powerguard 1.2

standby mode (level 2 backlight,not flight mode,no wifi,no gps,no push)

68 mA

screen off

12-70mA , unstable...i tried some times and also flashed radio .08 .06 .05

seems the same.

normal sms/desktop operation

around 170 mA

I think the main reason for the poor battery life is the current in the

standby mode with the screen off.

some one seems has a stable current around 15mA,

some one around 50-70mA.

please guys check your current mA with powerguard especially the guy in the group have the battery life for at least 24 hours

Attached is the Powerguard 1.2

seems someone cannot download it for the test.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] kolbac:
the answer is simple....the ones with the 12 hours of battery life are faulty....

Mine is in the repair for the same problems.....they diagnose a faulty mainboard......
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] ricky.magalhaes:
The battery life on this device is really bad, I bought the phone to use, not to look pretty, that's just a bonus! The battery life is not reasonable, and worse yet not what was advertised or even half of what was advertised.

So HTC are you going to fix this?

I have a feeling its mostly software, so a fix would be appreciated!

RM

I remember when i got my SP5 also an HTC... long ago same thing happened after the ROM update one week up time with reasonable use!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] makiskavadias:
I had until friday radio .03 then i made an upgrade to .05 along with a light rom. I havent notice any significant difference on the battery life as it will last again about a day.

I talk about 2 -2,5 hours a day 10min of WIFI and B/T turned on about 6 hours.

waiting for an extra capacity 1800mAh to see how's gonna be
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Dzhedaj:
Well just tried Powerguard.

With the screen off I get 12mA.

With the screen on at normal operation 160mA.

And I get more than 24hrs of usage from my Diamond :)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] victorong:
I tried going to the HTC site to download the latest ROM update. but after keying in my serial number, it indiated that the ROM update is not suitable for my machine. Can anyone help by advising how I should go about doing this?

I own a HTC Touch Diamond.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] klace:
The standby current is the key of this issue

both of the current in normal operation is around 170 mA, no doubt.

and the standby current dived to 2 groups.

seems some thing wrong in the standby mode.

may be the standby mode got some faulty on the hardware?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] dusklord:
I tried every trick for extending the battery life and nothing.

Since the first day in moderate use it only lasts for 1 day!!

I love my Diamond but with this battery autonomy i don't know what to do!!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] techred:
same thing with my diamond, one day max

I bought a second battery and a external battery loader ... well, fun is different

I got my diamond pretty early (o2 germany) maybe there is a secret later "second generation" with a better battery life
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] yohnd:
I've noticed an increase in battery life since I first got mine a little more than a week ago. With moderate usage(texts, calls, internet) I can get about 2 days out of the battery. I didn't tweak it at all, it just started getting better life. I've gone from wanting to return it to wanting to keep it.