yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] scotchua:
GXMark measure's 2D graphics performance, so in a nutshell you were testing the wrong thing. :)

Remember two things:

First, these drivers are not final, just working right now. They will get better.

Second, because they only accelerate 3D graphic, they won't help with many "everyday usage" type issues, such as screen rotation. This was noted on the site where the cab was posted.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] drownage:
Anyone tried "MANILA" yet?... I am at work, but will try when I reach home... Manila uses 3D drivers correct?.... OMG im loving this... Hey h4ck3r if you need testers, count me in!... I wanna develop for this phone too, just havent had time :-/ (classes + work)... great job, maybe this will mean that our phone will be Windows mobile 7 'capable' ;).... WM7 shud use all 3D acceleration :)...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] iceman4357:
Im glad someone took the time to make a huge effort to helping the Kaiser community. Hopefully people can take this and make what we are all hoping for. Then sell the drivers to HTC for a **** ton. :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Chainfire:
The TEST APP doesn't work in landscape mode.. should have mentioned that I guess. It's not the driver itself (at least that is what I was told)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] danw1028:
I have a 3d keyboard cab (cant remember where i got it from) that before only installed a boring flat black keyboard, but after installing these drivers this cab installs a nice looking 3d keyboard. I havent seen this in anyones rom before. ill upload it when i get home if anyone wants it (getting errors from 1706 opera). landscape does work but it has a white box outside of both ends of keyboard.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] drownage:
Oh so it is rather just a dll file which programs have to specifically make use of... Meaning if "Manila" was using something else it would show any improvement...

Btw, has anyone tried Throttle ROM with this, I am gonna test it when I get home... will try to update on waht happens with manila :)... and maybe COD game...

Oh and can someone make this topic sticky...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] EDA-One:
Throttle ROM does not work.

Tried Manila(QVGA), but it's still very laggy (4 fps max).

The thing is, that Manila uses its own libgles_cm.dll which is much bigger than the one, delivered with the 3d driver.

My first thought was, that it has to be possible to change the dll to the one of the driver. But I don't know how (atm).

But the filesize makes me feel, that the driver dll has not the whole functionality that the manila one has.

So I think we have to wait until the drivers are final.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Chainfire:
I think the libgles from Manila QVGA is actually a complete software-based Open GL renderer.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] undac:
No improvement in COD2 since it's software rendering, from what I can tell the game should automatically detect if a 3D device is present. The version I have installed still just runs in software, tried reinstalling it to no avail.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] drownage:
Hmmm time to reflash :)... yea, but u cannot copy the dll and overwrite libgles_cm.dll with it in the Windows folder? Well i guess it would be safer to wait till final release... But i'm still gonna try it ;)... lol

@Chainfire

Okay so then how come TF3D is smooth in Diamond even though Diamond only has 3D and not 2D drivers... Correct me I am wrong here... Or is manila quite different from TF3D?... If so, can we try TF3D QVGA on it?...

@undac

Tried tomb raider?... idk... some game/program has to give proof of concept on this... I guess we have to wait till final release...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] CraZyLiLbOy:
HTC Kaiser D3D Drivers

HTC Kaiser D3d Drivers

You MUST have WM6.1 WWE from HTC (or some cooked ROM based off of it).

Overview: To elaborate further, these drivers do not accelerate video playback. These drivers do not accelerate normal Windows operation. Some of you have asked if we have abandoned accelerated 2D. We have not, it may still come. The simple fact is, that in this particular case, it was easier to work with the 3D drivers first.

More Info:

http://www.htcclassaction.org/driverprogress.php

http://anonym.to/?http://rapidshare.com/files/130541524/HTC-CA-Kaiser-Drivers.cab.html
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DaveShaw:
What about...

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=359534

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=339745

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=409191

...???

Dave
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] wim26:
Agree with you. Why make another thread that is just the same as above? Not really usefull imo.

Edit: Really not usefull.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] notten:
i'm paying up after i try these.. i'm still never buying htc again.. i'm really glad we had to waste time researching 3d driver hacks when we could have been coding d3dm apps for kaisers for almost a year now.. sarcasm aside, this all happened to stifle competition when it comes to developing awesome 3d apps.. i guess htc needed time to re-organize and start some 3d gui projects, and their favorite way to do it was to cripple the device.. they're assholes and i'm never buying another device from that company again.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ChumleyEX:
Someone wanted to feel special.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Fared:
it's either a COMPLETE lack of ability to look at...anything on a forum or hope that he can gain some e-fame by starting a new thread in which everyone will randomly only reply in for whatever reason.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Praygo:
Why can I not find that qvga manilla cab? Has anyone tried it? Can you point me to it?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jdmba:
Hey, at least he didn't try that new, fairly annoying, trend of putting ULTIMATE in the title. This could have easily been "The ULTIMATE HTC 3D DRIVER THREAD".

I am still not sure how we wound up with multiple ULTIMATE radio threads. I may have to post the ULTIMATE question about GPS :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] drownage:
http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=2421691&postcount=60

Does not work fine...

Link to cab:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=1873847&postcount=1

http://rapidshare.com/files/87504139/manila.1.0.0103.0.release.zip.html

try that?

You can find more modded cabs @

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=363500

@all

Anyone try it with Laurentius?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Praygo:
I would try it... but that megaupload link is blocked at my work. :(

edit: and rapidshare. 4shared mirror?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mbarvian:
Here you go:

http://www.4shared.com/file/55692767/f713cef1/manila1001030release.html?dirPwdVerified=ea0e9da9

And hasn't anyone used herg's Manila? I was able to get mine running at 3 fbps. Here's the link:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=398173
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Praygo:
thanks I will report back. Installing now. Man I love testing my phone at work. :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mbarvian:
also, please check post #68, I edited it to link to the thread of a much faster manila :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] drownage:
http://www.4shared.com/file/47016031/5436a738/manila1001030release.html?dirPwdVerified=4880604a

:)

EDIT: Sorry I was slower than I thought lol... But thanks mbarvian :)...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Praygo:
Im getting the HTC home is terminated unexpectedly error, please tap here to restart. This is with the version 1001030 release zip. Weird Ive had it working back in the day.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mbarvian:
Check out post number 68 on this thread, it is a much faster version of Manila that I have had no problems with other than it only running at 3fbps:)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] drownage:
Sounds like an incorrect opengles dll incorrect error... did you try replacing ur dll as shown here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=364459

EDIT:

Yea mbarvian is right.... 1001030 is the first release and is expected to be unstable too... download from post 68 if you didnt and then try... Also, you still might need to replace your dll... idk how laurentius is... :-/...

[ We need a chat box on this forum... I can install one if I was given rights :)... ]...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Praygo:
Right, but I need one of those links mirrored to 4shared.... the QVGA public release v1. <<<<that is the one you had working at 3fps average correct? I'm willing to try that one too. I just hard reset my phone after the failure of the first manilla. lol. Installing d3d drivers again.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] drownage:
heres hergs release on 4shared:

http://www.4shared.com/get/50445270/c10da5c/herg62123_ericmcintire_nothrills_qvga_manila.html
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mbarvian:
here you go:

http://www.4shared.com/file/5569639...ills_qvga_manila.html?dirPwdVerified=ea0e9da9

EDIT: Drownage beat me to it this time lol :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mbarvian:
Sorry for the double post, but can anyone confirm how this version of Manila is working when you do this:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=2421999&postcount=308
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] stuff:
These don't help out skyfire while viewing videos, does it?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Praygo:
L26 Diamond Rom V9

Okay, With Hergs qvga manilla cab with d3d driver and leos diamond v9 rom. the results are still 3 fps. Worth a try. Thanks guys for getting me the mirrors.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jym04:
It would be interesting to check if there was any improvement with some games like Quake 1,2 and 3. Although I feel like they won't use 3d drivers out of the box.

Lights doesn't run with ROMeOS v3.0. Neither does Quake 1. Its probably a ROM incompatibility.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mbarvian:
does quake run in full screen?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] drownage:
@stuff

no video performance doesnt come from 3D driver...

@jym04

Well COD2 did not seem to do it... I doubt quakes will run any faster... We just have to wait till driver is final before we can do actual testing...

@All

Someone here said pointUI ran faster?? Umm I thought point UI used PocketHAL 2D Gfx... Correct me if I am wrong...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jym04:
True.. totally forgot about the fullscreen..

There is, maybe, a way to make it run windowed (it starts windowed), but I can't test it, and I agree with drownage.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Vaxon:
Quake 1 is working fine but there is no possibility to run it using OpenGL ES. I'm using L26_V8 as far as I can remember.

I've also tried to run DoomGLES but it won't run at all. I'm also not able to configure Quake 2 to run.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] smuook:
Would love to see it... pls post cab and screen shot if available. Thanks :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ycavan:
i think gameloft has 3d mobile games.. mebbe try some of their demos? gameloft.com
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mbarvian:
yes, but the problem is that most games are fullscreen, right?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ycavan:
it's possible... but if we don't try to test them, we won't know if things work or not... right? ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mbarvian:
lol right:)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] CraZyLiLbOy:
this thread is only for lazy people like me, for those who doesnt want to use the search button
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mbarvian:
was the picture really necessary? I think we all know what a kaiser looks like
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] p.dixon0:
Anyone tried the drivers / lights.exe on an O2 branded Kaiser (XDA Stellar) using the O2 official 6.1 ROM?

I've installed .net Compact Framework 3.5 and the drivers, but can't get lights.exe to run, says:

Error

A native exception has occurred in Lights.exe

Select Quit and then restart this program, or select Details for more information.

Selecting Details gives:

Error

ExceptionCode: 0x0000005

ExceptionAddress: 0x01291130

Reading: 0x78c560b8

Any idea's?

Cheers

Paul D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DarkDvr:
Christ people stop flaming a guy for making a clean pretty thread with driver.

Jesus.

Pick other methods to feel smart and important, other than flaming everyone.

Imo, good thread for new xda visitors who will google the drivers. As if you're paying money for every thread created.

/rant
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] d112:
What abaout touch flo 3d/
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ilos:
same problem with netcf3.5 install and driver install
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] darkblue68:
same problem here with official 5.1 french rom
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] austinsnyc:
those of you with issues not getting the drivers to work with the lights.exe testing app, Make sure you post what rom you are trying to use it with so we have an idea of what the issue might be.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Lokioki:
didn`t someone mention that this only works on certain rom`s ?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] drownage:
Yea they said on htcclassaction that it was only tested on Dutty V1
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ycavan:
I have the drivers working on romeos v. 3.1 w/ 1.65.x.x radio.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] pinx:
Mine works too, it's Laurentius26 V9.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mikeeey:
even tho everyone already says these threads already exist, i say it's still important. this will help those who dont look or dont feel like looking (as bad as that sounds)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] aaronsmckee:
WHOOT! my $ commitment to the driver project still stands, someone needs to start (chainfire maybe?) collect $ to give to him.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ilos:
just trying with NoThrill Rom WM6.1 FRENCH OS build 19202

Lights.exe work before install cab driver

lights.exe don't work anymore after installing cab driver

and i get same error than post #91
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] tak.japan:
hmmm how does the dev want to stay anonymous?? If I had his knowledge, and did this, the first thing I would want to say is "hurray for me! hurray for me!"

I wish the 3d home could work... hoping to see double degits fps! get ready to donate as soon as the developer get the manila work;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Fared:
unfortunately, by doing that, you promote redundancy. If a centralized thread is going to be made, chainfire should do it so that he can make edits to the front page when there are updates and a mod can sticky it.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] austinsnyc:
Stupid Question,

I read that it was easier at this point to get the 3D working, BUT what help does it really do for us? This is just a proof of concept correct? 2D acceleration would be so much more useful since thats what I would say the kaiser is used for 95% of the time. Is it possible to get 2D acceleration out of new drivers or is a limit to the kaisers hardware\software?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jazzster:
just installed using Garmins DK2 and it works just fine running the lights.exe program and cab update....

nothing extra really installed on my Tilt other than Garmins stuff....

ps. so does this mean that the lawsuit with HTC with them saying the hardware won't support D3D now has teeth? good job guys!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] CraZyLiLbOy:
Thats not why I put it.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mbarvian:
I agree that we would benefit from 2d acceleration more, but it's a great start :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] tak.japan:
garmins dk2!?:eek:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mbarvian:
yes:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=409027

EDIT: ok, now we're in kaiser general
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] tak.japan:
I knew he was working on it, I didn't know it was released... and I can't find the link to v2?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jazzster:
don't mind me....just kidding....i am using 1.2

sorry about that....

J
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mbarvian:
umm, I can see it right now on the first page of Kaiser ROM Development
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] brynwall:
Guys, I can't find the lights.exe file in the wiki. Where is it?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mbarvian:
it's not in the wiki, i don't think. you can get it from here:

http://www.htcclassaction.org/download/Lights.rar

it's basically just a test to see if the driver is working or not
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] brynwall:
Thank you very much
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] brynwall:
I'm using [June 25] L26_KaiserDiamond_V9 (new source!) and with the new drivers lights.exe works awesome.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mbarvian:
me too, although I haven't noticed much difference :)

EDIT: 100th post, yay
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dcortus:
just tried tony hawks 2 demo and it felt pretty smooth... :)

(dutty diamond's v1)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] undac:
You got the hardware accelerated exe running?!

If so that's great news!

If you're just using the same plain old version you've run in the past then the improvement is all in your imagination. :)

To make sure you are running the hardware version go here:

Click download trial, input your e-mail and when presented with the download options go for the exe to the left. (THPS2HASetup1.1(Demo).exe)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] undac:
A lot of these apps and games that can use HW accel often say "requires Intel 2700g".

Do you guys think that's because this was the only graphics HW available for PPC at the time of writing or could it be that they do a HW/device check or does the 2700g support something in particular (a propietery API or something)??
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] JstarLuvsTina:
EDIT :

i read thru the thread and found my answer.

either way :

Tested on : Throttle Diamond I Multilanguage

Result : Failed

Error Code : ( faulting module ) ahidati.dll
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ycavan:
installed tony hawk 2 hw edition, but when I tried to run it, it said that the application was unsigned or something and refused to run.

this was on romeos v 3.1...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mikeeey:
tony hawk has a hardware version and a software version, you may have been running the hardware version, in which case might use D3D, but is also VGA, so unfortunately you have no option but to run the software version (which doesnt run D3D i dont think).
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] rcperez:
2D Acceleration

IMHO, i think the problem is that ever since wm5.0 when MS dumps gapi, gdi and the likes just to switch to DD, the sdk that were used are really not optimized for the newer devices like our kaiser.

Driver or not, when it comes to 2D acceleration our phone could really very much handle those kind of stuff. Take Astraware games for example as well pointed out in HTC Class suite, they are not really that affected with the choppy video response of kaiser, another example would be Resco Explorer with that flawless scrolling and faster screen updates (makes a good Programs Menu replacement, using it ever since in big icons, set to open in /windows/start menu/programs and a few tweaks. It could load a hundred programs in a sec compared to a hundred secs for 30 files from the default system app :D ).

I believe its because both are using the updated SDK for gapidraw and the likes, and our file systems are not.

Well that's just my two cents.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] aaronsmckee:
I installed the cab on the diamond rom and it worked fine, throttle is much much faster
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] slovoflud:
are you sure?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Techvir:
The application works in potrati mode but not in landscape in ROMEos rom
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mbarvian:
same here on laurentius 26's v9
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jamorgan2008:
Driver breaks D3D on Dutty's Hybrid 19700 :p... prior to installing cab lights ran at a fraction of a frame per second :eek: (1/5 to 1/10 based on my observation repainting the screen about once every 5 to 10 seconds or so). I am looking forward to better video performance :D, and will likely change roms.

Is there a thread for rom and D3D driver compatibility?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] smuook:
I'm curious how you did that since Garmin has posted DK2 yet... as of this writing... he's only on Dk.1.2?

Edit... NVM, saw your later post.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] smuook:
Romeo 3.1 and L26 v9 are the same base ROM.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mbarvian:
well that probably explains it :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] b16b:
so plays on

* ROMEOS V3.1

* Dutty Diamond V1

* Germin DK1.2

* L26 V9
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] pyraxiate:
FPS?

Are there any pieces of software we can test this with to see what kind of FPS we are getting ? I downloaded and am using lights to test with , and its very very smooth on L26_Kaiser_Diamond_V9 rom :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mbarvian:
I don't know about anything to tell you what fps you're getting, but here's another test that supposedly gets more than 20 fps with the kaiser and drivers and 3 fps with the kaiser without the drivers:

http://xdaforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=100411&d=1216484343

just another way to confirm that the drivers are working
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] pyraxiate:
Thanks for the link =D trying it now. So far the L26 v9 is working great as far as i can tell. I cant wait until we fully implement them into the OS =D

**edit**

Installed and running beautifully. definitely not 1-10 fps. Very smooth. I wish i could use it somehow as my S2U2 background lol

Only bug that seems to happen is when the screen goes off via timeout the entire GUI gets bugged and i have to reboot. This is in both tests.... although im thinking s2u2 may be a factor.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mbarvian:
hmm, it may be because of s2u2, but it may also be because of the driver. I'm going to try it on the same rom without s2u2 to see what happens :)

EDIT: I think it's a driver problem, because I tried the exact same test without s2u2, and I had the exact same problem (had to soft-reset because demo stopped working). I think this could be a problem if we ever got Manila working successfully with this driver ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] richabi:
do any of you guys think this will help the performance of any morphgear emulator ROMs? im debating if it is worth installing right now or if i should just wait
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] pyraxiate:
At this point we are in R&D lol. Best bet is to try it.........its not like you cant uninstall it ............. If it works then Horayyyyy!!!! Just dont forget to post your findings here with the apps used and what rom youre using. ANY info is a help at this point for the developers im sure :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] takeda240:
i have s2u2 and im using L26 9 and i have no problem the s2u2 screen comes up after the normal timeout and its buggy looking but i can still slide to unlock it and the lock screen goes away and lights still runs fine same with the other one witht the yellow ball and colorfull cube thing
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] drutort:
im also debating if i should flash a rom that comes with drivers or works with them, or maybe in a week they will improve the drivers from the current feedback?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mikeeey:
no no you got it wrong, that was me that said that, and it's not 3fps, its 0.3 POINT THREE
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mbarvian:
ok, so we're only able to get .3 fps without the drivers and over 20 fps with the drivers, so how many fps do you think well get with manila? :p