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[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Noonski:
Confirmed.

smartphoneshop.nl

Just put i up for pre- order to dfeliver at the eigth of Aug.

That's just a few weeks from now and the price has gone down from 689.- to 649, Euro's. But their not offering it with Contracts for that date yet.

These guys are damn reliable.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Dionysis:
ROM

Does the order you place on smartphoneshop.nl contains the T-Mobile ROM / Case?

And is there any info on when the Pro is released in the shops?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Noonski:
HTC branded Diamond Back Version.

T-Mobile Is expecting a month later just like the Diamond.

Shops should be a couple of days later, But Dates might shift as ussual but this is looking fairly tight.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] WDawn:
Do you mean confirmed as in "delayed to the end of august"? Or that your order is confirmed?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] foo:
It's a little bit confusing anyway. Is it delayed until the 8th of August or is it delayed until the end of August?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] technillion:
Are you sure about that???

Now that the Touch Diamond supports 850/1900mhz for US 3G/HSxPA, I was told the Touch Pro would have the same.

I agree with you though, that if it doesn't...I wouldn't pay a GRAND for a 2G capable device.

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[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Noonski:
NoWhat i meant is that the dutch T-Mobil Shopmanager told me that he had expected the Diamond (t-mobile version) earlier and he expects the Touch Pro to be later in October for T-Mobile Netherlands.

On Smartphone shop i'm pretty sure they are spot on. But they are always bound by What HTC does. BUt they have a good rep so i don't think they will squander that on a wrong release date.

But me i have to wait personally till august 28th to prolong my contract, by that date they will propable also be selling the pro with contracts.

Also looking at how they went down to 499 Euros on the Diamond, i'm hoping the Pro also does well so they can bring down the price because of high volumes. Hey if i know i'm getting it i might as well go for the best deal. Still fiddling around with my Touch anyway so i can wait.

A Little ;)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jwhitham:
I see Play.com have brought their date forward to the 4th Aug when it was saying 29th or so.

http://www.play.com/Mobiles/Mobile/...o-Sim-Free-Unlocked-Mobile-Phone/Product.html
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jcespi2005:
Spain

Country: Spain

Site/Vendor: http://www.expansys.es/p.aspx?i=169426

Date of Release: 04 sep 08

Offers Pre-Order: Yes

Price: €649,95 (560,30 Sin IVA)

Cheers
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Jorlin:
Right now it seems that a release of the english version (QWERTY) of the Touch Pro is likely for the second or third week of August. As usual localized versions follow about two to three weeks later...

The fact that HTC released this video might be another indicatior that the release is closer than we might think...

I am looking forward for the German version :D
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jasjamming:
be careful of retail outlets, they like to give you a hyped up release date to get your business, but I heard from the horses mouth its end of august.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Noonski:
I'm willing to take bets, to fund it for myself.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Jorlin:
Country: DE

Site/Vendor: Amazon.de

Date of Release: TBA

Offers Pre-Order: Yes

Price: €649.97
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mike-:
Hmmmm where did you read that the Diamond support 850/1900mhz for US 3G/HSxPA? The HTC firmware release talk about the 850 GSM...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jasjamming:
im going to do the same also, but im not getting my hopes up.

also, HTC tend to change their TFT display after the first batch of production to save costs in the long run, and usually their first batch has better screens.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Raspster:
It did not blow the iPhone out of the water. The iPhone is mainly a US marketed phone which is where they sold most of them. There is not even a US version of the diamod that allows it to take advantage of the 3g band!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Xzeven:
Country: IRELAND

Site/Vendor: Expansys IRELAND

Date of Release: August, 4th ("expexcted" release date)

Offers Pre-Order: Yes

Price:EU €664.96 (549.55 exc.)

URL: http://www.expansys.ie/p.aspx?i=169424
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ferraripassion:
I feel it is too pricy. 664 odd Euro is a lot :(
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] robpet2:
anyone know the release dates of the US tmobile version or if its even coming to tmobile USA??
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] pazookie:
i doubt tmobile until they get their 3g up because this device is marketed for hsdpa and umts and tmobile doesnt support that so it would be a waste of a device on their network until they join in with the big boys and revamp their data network
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] EViS:
Do O2 (UK) support HSDPA?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] churchwa:
Yes they do
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] robpet2:
i would really hate to switch to att or sprint, but they have faster internet and 3g and better signal in some areas... and sprint has unlimited everything plan for 99 bucks a month.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] auriken:
t-mobile launched their 3g network in new york and from what a csr told me they will be rolling out in 20 more markets before the end of this year. she also told me the bands for 3g were 1700 - 2100.

i hope they didnt get my hopes up for nothing...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] th1nm1nt:
Man...can't wait to get my Touch Pro. I ordered from the first legit seller on ebay to post the offer. Paid almost $1100 to get it, but was the third to order on the US' Ebay site. It sucks there is no firm date on when it is released...reading through this post makes it sound like as long as September (though that is what I was planning for anyways). My wife just got her new LG, so I need something to play with!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] dwella:
Several knowlegeable folks on this board have stated it is comming to ATT and not tmob.

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[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mrvanx:
Whats stopping it coming to both?? ;)

Here in the UK O2, Tmobile, Orange and vodafone are most likely to get it, under thier respective XDA, MDA, VPA and M guises.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] l3it3r:
I will be picking this up once I see confirmation that it works on ATT.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] beast0898:
I too heard end of August/ early September.

I have pre-ordered through Expansys who are sure they will have stock by the 4th August and delivered by the 7th August to consumers who pre-order.

They had a 1oo units on the first order with 89 pre-ordered when I booked mine.

Cheers,

Beasty
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] KyleK29:
So do we have any idea if AT&T will be picking this up? I'm eligible for an upgrade soon.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] technillion:
ATT...yes

Many folks who have the DIAMOND say it works on US ATT but WITHOUT 3G/HSxPA...buit it DOES work.

For me it's hard to justify the price without 3G.

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[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mike-:
You are currently using the DIAMOND on US ATT in 3g?!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] auriken:
im sorry, what i meant to say is that the euro touch pro could work in the t-mobile usa network when they roll out with their 3g
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] twisted-pixel:
well, I guess that for some people...it's only a week to wait...if stories are to be believed.

I'm hoping I'll be one of those people having had mine on pre-order since beginning of june.

Incidentally, htc-direct also says 4th August and still have some available for pre order according to their website....so maybe people should shoot right over there!!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] steveoidm:
Just ordered from clove.co.uk as I have used them before. Checked that I would get one from their first batch and they said they have plenty of stock coming in, so initial pre-orders available there too.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ardsar:
The following site is also taking pre - orders and have 50 left. In fact the web site looks exactly the same as HTC Direct! Providing HTC supply quantities quoted, there appears to be a surplus around.

http://www.inkino.co.uk/zen/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=135&products_id=2384
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] steveoidm:
They both use zen cart, thats why. Not related to each other I dont think, may be wrong though!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] technillion:
No...noone is.

From what I know, US ATT Diamond owners are using it at EDGE speeds ONLY.

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[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lepes:
From the expanys forum :(

We've just learned from HTC that English version of Touch Pro has been postponed.

First batch should be shipped from Taiwan at the end of week 32.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] twisted-pixel:
delayed by one week then...which no doubt will become two weeks....then three weeks...I wish they would just be honest and advise exactly when it will be.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] poloa:
verizon

will this phone work on verizon in USA its a cdma network?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] onesolo:
This was expected, expansys and only a few more stores had 4 of August and the rest had late dates...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] twisted-pixel:
and this has exactly what to do with release dates?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Jim Chapman:
eXpansys UK date slipped to 13 Aug

As of an hour or so back, the eXpansys UK site is now advertising release date 13th August :(
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] WDawn:
Ouch, PDAshop in Belgium just delayed the delivery date from 8 august to 22 august

http://www.pdashop.be/product/54046/htc-touch-pro-uk.html

That's another two weeks..
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Xtreme XL:
the same here in the Netherlands:(

the 8th of august sounded to good to be true....
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Syphon Filter:
It'll be September I reckon.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Doug2873:
greeeeeaaaattttt...means it probably won't be on ATT until Thanksgiving/Black Friday
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] auriken:
expansys USA moved it from the 4th to the 13th

it really doesnt matter to me if they move it back now, cause then that would mean i wont be starving the day after i bought it, lol
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ez345:
I just hope that maybe a week after the initial release they will lower the price....i know its superior to the diamond but its lookin like $300 more than it, even though the touch pro doesnt have the 4 gb internal storage
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] WDawn:
Just ordered mine with Expansys Belgium :D. Release 14th of august. Thought i'd share that with you, cuz there are few people that understand my joy when i talk about a new phone :D
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Syphon Filter:
Interesting, I've had "confirmation" from a UK retailer that stock is due in on either the 13th or 14th.

"...We strongly do not expect another delay going by the indications from HTC and their channels."
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] psperos:
i think even with a contracted discount it will be at least 400 through at&t or more, what do you guys think?

Given i have been using a treo750 since feb07, this is the longest i have ever had a single phone and i would be willing pay an extra 500 to get the pro 3 months early.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Syphon Filter:
The Touch Pro will be around the £500 mark in the UK, this much I would bet my bottom dollar on.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ardsar:
Recommended retail price is £549, however you can pick them up for £499.95.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] WDawn:
Paid about 650€ for preorder, wich is about 1015 dollar. When i think about it, it's actually frickin' much for a phone :d
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Smaniac:
Well, if you think that's a device you will probably keep for at least a year, and you will have it around you 24/7, it's not that expensive (at least that's the excuse I use lol).
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] manuelcalavera:
the saddest thing that ends up this excuse is winmo 7 :(

mwg and htc time line for winmo 7 is so early
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Jorlin:
Well, some rom developers here will try to brew a WM7 rom once it is out... even if HTC does not offer a WM7 update, it should arrive on the Diamond/PRO
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Dionysis:
delayed

Seems like the HTC Raphael has already been delayed for The Netherlands.

Release date was 8 of august, but the website changed the date to 22 of august :(

Great ... another 2 weeks delay ...

( http://www.pdashop.nl/product/54045/htc-touch-pro-nl.html )
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Eriol:
I have read somewhere (can't find the link right now) that HTC intends to test Android on all hardware from 2008 on, so chances might be good that Android will also appear on Diamond & Co., which would be much better than WM7 or so. (If you wonder why the Diamond behaves pretty slow in many situations, its not the hardware, its the OS that causes troubles. SonyEricsson has similar problems with Xperia which is the reason the Xperia is delayed - the hardware is ready since early this year.)

Eriol
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Smaniac:
Yeah, probably, without multitouch though.

Hmm... Android better than Windows? Maybe on version 2 o 3, because the first one is ugly as hell.

And Java? You can't really take that seriously, unless you want your Diamond to behave like it has a 50 MHz processor.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] manuelcalavera:
According to M$ , wm7 would have Multi Touch , and basically , we cant change display layout . without this important specific , winmo 7 is a NO for these htcs
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Eriol:
HTC Touch Pro & Diamond will not be able for multitouch because they lack a capacitive touchscreen. With their resistive touchscreen technology, they will only be able to get the signal from one touch at the same time. Too bad, this.

Eriol
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Doug2873:
wow, the fact that this phone is still using a resistive screen may have just been the deciding factor in me not getting this phone...I mean I can pay $940 for a phone, but I can't justify it without a capacitive touchscreen...Guess I'll wait for the Dream unless this comes out on AT&T with subsidy
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] dgpurvis:
The capacitive screen, however, is why there is no handwriting/drawing on the iPhone/iTouch.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] th1nm1nt:
I hate delays...since it isn't coming to the American market any time soon, I have to rely on the rumors provided by the two US E-Bay sellers. He seems as confused on he release date as most of us. UGH...I WANT MY TOUCH PRO!!!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Jorlin:
Ehmm... can you please get to the end of the line... first come - first serve :P

:cool: :D ;)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Noonski:
Heck about the capacitatateciwhat screen.

With the memory available, Normal SD cards coming out with 32G. 8G cards dropping to around 30 Euro i can wait.

It will give me two years of tweaking, while looking cool.

I'm going to squeeze that Pro dry.

Make it Play HD (or at least 720p, well i can always dream can't I, But 640 should be enough;))
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Smaniac:
Actually I just bought a 8 gb MicroSD from DealExtreme and it costed me US$ 37 with free shipping, that's around 24 Euro.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mandargon2:
When will HTC Raphael come to Spain? Is there some ROM in spanish for this device?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] danielherrero:
Online shops say 4 september. I would buy the english version next week but I should wait for th spanish one or I will miss the 'ñ' letter....(one month for one key??....mmm... I dont know what I will do....)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Jorlin:
Same with me here... I am waiting for the German version for the German keyboard layout. For me it is worth the wait, although it will be pure torture once the english version is released...

But hopefully during the two to three weeks until the localized version is released, the price will already drop significantly :D
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] m0rgul:
Seems like bluetrade.eu got some french azerty Htc touch pro available, I ordered one, will keep you guys up !
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Smaniac:
I was thinking about that as well. Here in Brazil we don't use ñ, but we do use á, ã, é, í, õ, etc.

They are not a special key, but a combination of them, like ' + a for á, ~ + a for ã, and so forth.

Wonder if the original Pro could do that without flashing, because I don't want a Portuguese languagem ROM.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ukdj78:
OK here's the current release date situation for UK based web sites that I could find selling it via froogle.co.uk:

Play.com have said a release date of 29/8 for ages and were the first site I saw to give a specific date, but they changed it to 4/8 about a week ago, and it still says that now even though that's tomorrow!

bizzimobile.com says available now! personally I don't believe that lol :confused:

Handtec, the site that I've pre-ordered from (because they were one of the first to take pre-orders and were the only site I could find that sold the "premium" version with tom tom software which I want), says "due mid august"

Expansys says 13/8

Inkino and HTC Direct both say 14/8

bestdigitalmarket.com says "1 week"

Totalpda.co.uk simply says "due in August"

and finally powerupmobile.com says 1st of September

One thing we should bear in mind is that some sites allocate their pre-orders out so that for example if they are expecting to receive 100 units tomorrow and another 100 units the following week, and they've already taken say 150 pre-orders, they will show the release date as next week because tomorrows stock will have all been allocated. Basically the earlier you order, the more likely you are to be the first to get one! I ordered mine a whole month ago :)!

All I can say is I really hope to have one sometime over the next week or two!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ardsar:
Its a shame that handtec are only selling tomtom6 and not tomtom 7. Latest maps for version 6 are seriously out of date. Check on the kaiser forum for tomtom7 which allows you to buy the latest maps from tomtom.

Expansys were correct about the delay in the first batch from Taiwan. First shipment is towards end of week 32 and apparently there should not be any further delay. Lets wait and see ....

Inkino are the same company as htcdirect. There VAT numbers are the same.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mrvanx:
I called play.com last week at some point and they said they were expected on the 7th (thursday), they are based in Jersey so might have some logistical advantage over the UK mainland perhaps?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Jim Chapman:
Expansys UK delivery date

Just spoke with Expansys UK about their 13th Aug delivery date. The service person I spoke to informed me:

- they expect the date to slip some more

- the latest email advice they received was that delivery would be in the 33rd week (not sure whether they consider 'week 0' to be the one beginning on 31-Dec-07, but if so, that means delivery in w/c 18-Aug-08).

- they apparently have a few hundred orders in the queue - so anyone ordering now would face quite some delay, since their initial delivery from HTC might not be enough to fill all the orders they already have.

So not a lot of hard information, but every reason to expect a bit more of a wait before I get my hands on a shiny new Pro :(
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Eriol:
For Germany,

Handit.de has updated the availiability date - according to their homepage, HTC sent an information on July 30 that the device HTC Touch Pro will be available on or after September 3. That's quite late, too bad ... The price (as of today) is € 562 + VAT (19 %).

Cheers,

Eriol
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] twisted-pixel:
it would be interesting to know when people actually placed their orders and when they received their device as this would give some sort of indication on the queues.

I placed my original order with expansys on 6th June, hopefully that means I might be one of the first to receive the device
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] onesolo:
A bit offtopic, can you tell me if that store automatically removes the VAT if the VAT ID of a company is introduce in the profile data??
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jasjamming:
not surprised on the delays...

a week back i did mention that HTC will release it end of august. this is not a rumour, this is direct from HTC from my colleague at HTC.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ukdj78:
I checked back on their site again before I went to work this morning and it had no date, and said temporarily out of stock. Just checked it again now after coming home from work and they have changed it to 7th August just as you said!

This waiting is killing me - the battery on my Hermes is knackered and is only lasting about 12 hours on one charge :mad: but it's not worth me buying a new battery when my shiny new Raphael is due to arrive so soon - hopefully! And before anyone suggests it, I've tried all different combinations of Roms and Radio versions, it's definitely just a simple case of worn out battery I'm afraid!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mrvanx:
Yep had the same thing with my TyTN, the battery seemed to seriously lose its potency after about a year and a half. Invested in a 1500mAh badboy, i still intend on using the hermes alongside (wanna get some developing done, i cna do VGA and QVGA now once ive got the Raph).
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sarasera:
Denmark:

25. august at

http://tele-online.dk/search.asp?keyword=HTCP4600

danish version with the letters æøå
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Jorlin:
That is quite optimistic... :D

I hope you are right... that would make a pre-september german release likely, too. But honestly, I doubt it... There is no official release date and so... it comes when it comes ;)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Xzeven:
I've updated more dates and prices on the wiki. Check it out.

A few vendors have pushed the dates out by a week or 2. It's now averaging out to be realistic release date of Monday 18th. A least here in Europe anyways. Some vendors might take orders before the weekend ( of 15th) though.

http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Raphael_Vendors
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Xzeven:
I've heard some rumer that KPN Netherlands, Vodafone Netherlands (possibly UK but not Ireland) and Three UK and Ireland will be releasing the Touch pro.

Incidentally they also sell the Diamond and a few of them sell the TyTN II :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Eriol:
Hi onesolo, I do not know about this, sorry. But I also though of getting a device outside Germany for a company. Would be good to know, probably our tax people know about this VAT issues ...

I do not know if Handit sells other devices than the German "QWERTZ" keyboard layout, tough (even if this is a joke with HTC devices, as they are missing the German umlaute like "äöüß").

Cheers,

Eriol
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] foo:
Well, actually they don't although German Umlauts can only be accessed by pressing a combination of keys. German Umlauts are also printed on the keys as alternative assignment.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] licht77:
Latest info from german and austrian T-Mobile (05.08.08 10:15) for end-customers: the Vario 4 will be delayed until calendar week 38 (15th September - 19th September)... non-official reason is "problems with negative software tests"... i guess its just a logistical problem like they had with the kaisers and wizards :-)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] rawy:
w/c 11th August UK

The dealer I buy all our business handsets from said that his delivery is due 11th August, was the 4th & has been put back a week.

He called up yesterday afternoon to find out.

Rawy
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] timpollard:
www.play.com was advertising a release on the 4th, then the 8th and has just been pushed back to the 25th...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Raice:
Raphael on eBay?

http://cgi.ebay.com/HTC-Touch-Pro-Q...52|39:1|66:2|65:12&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14.l1318

What do you think? Is it real?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ukdj78:
Scroll down to the picture with the yellow flower on the screen, under this it says "THIS ACTION IS A PRE-ORDER"

In other words he has either pre-ordered 14 of them and intends to try and sell them on straight away at a profit :eek: (he might have even pre-ordered 15 and wants to keep one for himself and fund it by getting a profit on the other 14!!!) or, more likely judging by his username, he is in the mobile business anyway, and is just selling pre-orders on ebay as well to try and get extra trade.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Raice:
Thank you! You saved me from wasting my money :)