yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] snoopy20:
Hi all,

My phone is exceptionally clean (using my debloat script), other than Whatsapp there's nothing using mobile. I feel the battery has been getting worse each week so today I did a test.

Fully charged I went for a cycle ride lasting exactly 4hrs. I didn't use the phone at all, by the time I got back the battery was 55%.

So I think there's nothing else left for it other than the battery is end of life. As I'm an electronic engineer it'll be easy to take the chip off the battery and stick it on another if I can find one the right size. Has anybody done any investigation regarding this?

Cheers,

Andrew
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hardbodyrichert:
Hey Snoopy!

Ya, I just did the same thing with my battery. Taking off the back is easy. And the battery setup is just like most non-removable phone batteries, with the small pcb that attaches to the battery on the two metal tabs (- +) that protrude from the battery cells. So it's easy enough to replace, so long as you're comfortable soldering onto those two tabs.

The battery is miniature. Absolutely tiny. I believe it's 4mm x 34mm x 40mm (but that's from memory), so you can find some little guy on alibaba, but it has to be pretty much the same size, with only about 1mm of wiggle room.

What I am planning to do: I'm just leaving the back cover OFF, and getting a bigger sized one (like maybe 10mm thick), and then making a new back cover for it. Like out of wood, or maybe I'll melt down some aluminium and cast one. That way, maybe I can get this thing ready to last a week or so.

Lastly, I don't know if you know this yet, but GRAPHENE batteries have hit the market. These charge in just like 2 minutes and last way longer, and are significantly smaller. If you can find a graphene battery that fits, it would definitely be worth the money.

Cheers!
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sergio_chichi:
Hi Andrew,

first I want to thank you very very much for your work on the palm. It helped me a lot to use this phone in the way I want.

I'm using three of this phones (verizon from ebay-us) in Germany (Provider Congstar/Telekom) and with no deep technical knowledge I'm limited in testing around.

But I want to share my experince with batterylife:

My main Palm is running the 1AMD build (rooted, cleaned with your script, wifi off, mobile data off, bluetooth off). The phone is using the 3G Network from Congstar. With minor use (some text messages, 20min calls every 2 days) the battery lasts 4-5 day. without sim card up to 10 days. I am very happy with that.

My second Palm with same settings (rooted, cleaned...) but with 1AMG (latest update via Sugar), sucks off the whole battery in less than 24h.

My third Palm same as the second (rooted, cleaned, with 1AMG, everything off) and no sim card is now at 42% (Phone idle 5d 10h 45m - 4 days left).

Today I downgraded my second palm from 1AMG to 1AMD and it will show if the batterylife is depending on the build and network. I will post the result

Cheers!
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] snoopy20:
I do have mobile on, and whatsapp will be doing some interaction in the background no doubt. I might see about a way to disable mobile while on battery, see if that sorts it.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] capridream:
can you explain how to downograde?
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sergio_chichi:
You need the files from a previous build. I use the Sugar Software and rename the old files with the filename from the update Sugar downloaded. After that just upgrade as discribed in the Root-How-To.

I also tried out to copy the file from EU version on a US-Verizon phone. This is unhappiely not working. After I restored the original build the Wifi and Bluetooth functions not working anymore. :(

Nothing changed. The battery lost 20% in 2h while the other phone lost 2% in 2h. I don't understand it.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] capridream:
sended pm to you !
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sergio_chichi:
My 1AMD phone (rooted and used your script) is at 85% after 20h. Everything off (wifi, mobile data, location, bluetooth), mobile Network on. Minor use. Just typed some text messages.

My 1AMG phone (rooted and used your script) is at 90% after 16h. Everything off (wifi, mobile data, location, bluetooth), mobile Network on. No usage, just checking state of the battery very few hours.

My third phone downgraded from 1AMG to 1AMD. The one which I crashed with the EU build (wifi and bluetooth dead), running out off battery over night. Everything off, no Sim.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] snoopy20:
I think the Android and Accubattery etc are totally unreliable. All Android knows are two things

a) the batteries design capacity.

b) the voltage.

c) the condition of the battery as reported by the battery.

Working out 'drain' requires measuring the voltage delta over time and working out a % requires knowing how much system load there was during that time to induce that voltage drop.

So everything said if you've just reinstalled or restarted and so on then the % is fairly meaningless.

The best way is going to be to charge your phone up and time how long until it dies. Assuming the same application load as another phone then the results are comparable.

Palm Support were fairly quick getting back, which is surprising. They said -

"Size: 3.8x34x42mm

Capacity: 800mAh, 5V1A

Type: Lithium-ion

Number of cells: 1

Weight: 11.7g"

So I'm hunting on aliexpress for a replacement battery soon.

Andrew
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] snoopy20:
Do you have a source? I'm struggling to find anything of the size!
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sergio_chichi:
Did you checked out the OEM battery on ebay for the pvg100?
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] snoopy20:
Probably equally knackered. These small batteries have a hard life. But the image does show who they are made by and the quality from new should be excellent as this is a reputable supplier.

I asked Palm support and they said -

"There's not really an equivalent model for the Palm battery; most batteries

either have a different form factor, higher milliamp capacity (and

attendant increased size), or insufficient voltage. Even a few of my

standbys for weird parts (Alibaba, Wish, etc) don't turn up anything

appropriate. My recommendation would be to get a Palm from eBay listed as

"for parts" or otherwise not working."
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Cobus089:
Hello,

The backside of an original PVG100 battery is labeled 383440, meaning 3.8*34*40 mm.

Searching 103440 on Aliexpress showed the thick batteries you mentioned (10*34*40 mm size ; 1400 mAh capacity). They are dirt cheap, if you want to try them.

Why not a 3D printed back cover ? This would allow for making several prototypes, to improve the shapes (if the first ones do not lock properly into the frame). You could then share your 3D files with the PVG100 owners community, so that anyone could print it or have it printed by a 3D printing company.

Let's dream further : if your "deep" back cover has no bump for the 103440 battery (in other words, if it is flat), the empty space above the battery could be populated by a second battery. A 602540 (6*25*40 mm size ; 600 mAh capacity) or a 603040 (6*30*40 mm size ; 1200 mAh capacity) may fit under the flashlight led.

Another option for the double battery : keep an original battery in its standard location, and add a 604060 battery (6*40*60 mm size ; 1500 mAh capacity) over it, inside a deep 3D printed back cover .

Lots of ideas, but I have no PVG100 (yet ?) and no 3D printer.

It is easier to advise than to do ! :D

Have a nice day !

Cobus.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] snoopy20:
I have a 3d printer, and maybe I can coerce a mate into laser scanning the rear.

Anyone have a picture with the rear cover off so I can see where the battery lives?

Cheers,

Andrew
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Cobus089:
https://fccid.io/2AOETPVG100/Internal-Photos/TempConfidential-internal-photos-3950494.pdf
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] darthghoul:
I'd like to have a look at the battery, but how did you open the backcase?

I've tried gently without success
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] snoopy20:
It's in a good location. Might be easier to cut a hole out of the rear panel, then 3d print a bump and weld it over the top. I don't fancy my chances getting a perfect rear cover to print.

Palm support are being unusually good at the moment, I'll see if I can sweet talk them into sending over the CAD for the rear cover! :)
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Cobus089:
I did not. I don't even have a PVG100 ! :eek:

The link I gave is the FCC ID Database. Pictures were provided by Palm when they applied for FCC registration.

Have a nice day !

Cobus.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] snoopy20:
I'm going to try this

My script will work fine on it, it'll skip the verizon ones not found, same with the config edits.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] snoopy20:
BTW I have confirmed and replicated bugs with the USB, which seem to be software based.

If the phone is charging and I stick the PC into standby the enumeration stops (as you'd expect) but power continues. The Palm doesn't switch back into power adapter mode so isn't charging but something behind the scenes to do with enumeration (perhaps a software loop) then eats battery. This is the bug which causes the Palm to drain the battery fast. Left over night, the battery is dead in the morning.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GNUhOrMiGa:
I tried it and... seems like I lost the MAC and can't now turn the wifi on.

Do you have any idea to fix it without reflashing all the original firmware again?
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] snoopy20:
I'm also on it. Evaluation:-

The messaging is tied into google services & carrier services, when I ran my script I lost functionality and although I've replaced those packages and can't see any errors I don't have SMS coming through. Balls.

The USB charging bug continues, as do APN list errors.

There's some left over Verizon crap. It looks like they worked backwards to make the Vodaphone release.

There's only minor Vodaphone stuff, like OTA upgrades.

Wifi, phone is working fine.

What might interest people though is only three files have changed, vendor and system and ... radio (the file beginning with R). The radio is working on mine here in the UK so replacing the verizon release file with this file stands a good chance of enabling EU bands.

Overall I'd recommend sticking with a Verizon release and my script. I've reported the USB power bug issue to Palm support but given it's TCL I doubt it'll ever get fixed.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] emanresu2:
I just saw someone replaced Palm battery with a bigger one: Made my own battery case for the Palm phone
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] suzukasoy:
Mophie juice pack for Palm

I post here because it won't let me create a new message and I haven't seen anything about it.

Do you know where to get the battery cover? Can't find it anywhere (Europe).

Unfortunately Verizon doesn't ship global because it's on sale for $ 29.

[IMG="Mophie juice palm"]https://ss7.vzw.com/is/image/VerizonWireless/mophie-juicepack-palm-b-mop401002600-v?fmt=pjpg&hei=520[/IMG]

Thanks.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vrzs3mini:
ebay has the replacement battery for sale

hi, yeah ebay has battery and from the pics it looks like you just have to plug it into the phone meaning just remove and replace
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] karimgosen:
super thanks for this
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] !@#$:
Hello,

I'm looking for someone who can:

01 Replace my Palm PVG 100 battery with a way BETTER battery.

. Even if it means hacking the back cover with a different one to accommodate the battery.

02 Repair my cracked screen.

03 Remove all software that's draining the battery.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tgraneberg:
Hey, anybody tried replacing the battery with a larger one?

Like this one: https://m.aliexpress.com/item/10050...lgo_pvid=2a591f14-1973-4747-8732-35ddceca488f
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dnocera:
I just ordered and am going to try this out. If it's actually the same dimensions this could be best way to "boost" more usage time! And just use the Palm as intended... With a 1500mAh battery you could theoretically get almost 100% more usage time over the OEM 770mAh? Even if it ends up only being 50% or so more this would be awesome!
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] resiny:
My palm is starting to buldge. The battery always sucked but its failing now. I found this on Digikey, i think it will fit. https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/jauch-quartz/LP443441JU-PCM-2-WIRES-50MM/9560984
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jeremykoeh:
Hey Any luck on this?

Even with root and everything that drains it disabled/removed and a mophie case, the phone still wont last more than an hour or two.

Hoping that aliExpress battery is real and larger capacity than the stock one, as most of the stock batteries are aging now anyway.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jeremykoeh:
Hey, If someone here is handy enough with CAD, I will print whatever the community needs and ship it around for testing. I am always short on time but I have a couple of printers that print very well.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mainaccount:
Hello fellow enjoyers of small phones,

I wanted to share my progress creating something that fits all of my needs.

I found a 2,100mAh LG battery that had some good dimensions and designed a backing for it. I also decided to add a Qi coil and magsafe for convenience.

I may print out a resin backing so it looks real nice, but for now the fdm print is doing its job. There is still a good amount of room to fit some more interesting things inside this phone, nfc perhaps. I may probe the testpoints hopefully to find a serial connection but have not done so yet.

With light usage I get two full days running microG. This setup also comes in about 5mm slimmer than having the morphie case on.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Cobus089:
@mainaccount : well done ! :)

Congratulations !
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] suquet.paul:
Anybody have a link to @snoopy20's script?

Edit: Here to edit my own query.

https://xdaforums.com/t/palm-pvg100-battery-life-a-fix.4009797/
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] plenaryy:
Wow this is absolutely beautiful. You've made my dream phone. Any chance you could explain how you did this with some detail? I'd love to give it a try, but I have not done something like this. Perhaps you could send the file for the extended case you've made, or make it available generally? Cheers! Beautiful job
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mr6P:
OMG That's really crazy! :0

Would you mind sharing some more information?

How did you open the phone? Was it easy?

Which LG battery?

What does the system say about a battery with more than its own (800mAh)?

would the bigger LG battery fit without your other mods?

what would be the slimmest solution, with a bigger battery and wireless charging?

can you share your STL files? (Donation as compensation is the least ❤️)

Many Thanks!
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rainy daze:
Any luck with that 1500mAh battery? Were the dimensions the same?
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] smallphone:
EXCELLENT WORK. Like the last guy said, would love to have the .stl, if you'd be willing to share it with us?

It's such a great little device, major bummer they won't just make a V2, with their phone-engineering facilities.. But this addresses it's major weakness(').

I wonder if we could go a step further and separate the screen from the metal frame, and house everything inside of your housing? To get the device roughly as slim as the original. Don't really need the charging port anymore, now that you've added Qi.

If they ever make a V2 it should have a proximity sensor that turns the screen on when it leaves your pocket, and turns the screen off when it enters your pocket.

This little guy + Brilliant Labs Frames?
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tgraneberg:
Hey! How exactly did you connect the new battery?

And what is that board to the left of the usb flex cable?
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] gullum:
I need to know if there is realy any intrest in the Throttle Diamond Multilanguage roms?

I have big problems with my Prophet and it takes me almost a whole day to cook and test all versions to see if the work alright and will take me an other 6+ hours just to upload the roms and I see no point in doing this if no one will be using the roms.

I don't use my Prophet anymore becaue I use my Kaiser as work phone and ELF for private use.
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] cursor:
+1 for ESN
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] invd:
+1 for GER (but only, if the WWE-names for Storage Card and so on are used...because all my links and stuff use the english notation)
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] gullum:
yes it sotrage card ...also because of UC needs it to be in english
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] Endorphimore:
Im definately not going to file a protest against a Danish translation thats for sure
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] kennethhu:
+ Chinese please :)
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] skylow:
I woul like a multilanguage version.

BTW if you need a helping hand, tell me.

Greetings from Germany,

skylow
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] zenga:
Portuguese please
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] xfounder:
One more for PTG
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] 4esteR:
Definitely russian version
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] ispanets:
And Russian, please :)
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] varanusvincent:
i am intterested on this one.
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] alphazero:
no i have no interest on any rom. OS 5.2.20226 is out and its getting very fast new versions out. yours wont be of use compared to the time you invest on it.
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] vigour:
Anyone writting and reading this will handle English and must be gratefull to gullum for his great work :)) I won't ask for my native language... English is ok
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] gullum:
I did not ask what version people want and and do you think there will be a danish or polish version with OS 5.2.20226 for prophet? not unless I make one
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] invd:
Great, thanks :)
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] Stephilou:
I will really appreciate a French one ... :)

But if it's really a lot of work, (I saw you are quite busy this time with your new device and all of your new roms ...) maybe just release your last multi-kitchen ?

(or make l3v5y kitchen multi ?)

I don't think I will cook a really great rom alone but it's better than nothing ...

Thanks for all your time and effort for Prophet & TL
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] Rhjasp:
1+ esn

*

Spanish for my prophet.

thank you very much for your work sr. gullum
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] LegoTechniker:
+2 for ger (my brother and I)

and thanks for the last coffie rom i currently use.
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] mspeugeot:
Only speak German

German please, Thank you for your good Work on new Rom`s.
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] generaal:
Dutch please
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] benni134:
German please
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] spider_mg_zr:
1+ for Portuguese...
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] hamidrezayazdani:
Hi Gullum, thanks for the time you put into this. I would love to have a norwegian version, but I meen if you out out a english rom, isn't that good enough for us? Takk igjen Mister.
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] maxniper:
2+ Portuguese
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] MasterMerlin:
+1 WWE just to be sure ;)
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] x0101222:
One more for PT, and please let us help you :)
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] Aquario:
1+ for Portuguese...
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] dkleuven:
+1 for Dutch please
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] xellos:
Italian too :))
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] onomatopej:
Polish please, thanks.
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] ferdypop:
+1 Italian!!!!! Thanks a lot
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] wipo1965:
Italian would be MUCH appreciated ! Thanx in advance.
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] WeiDavid:
Because phophet i come to XDA.

Mostly, english version is faster than Chinese version.So i always use English Version.

Sometimes, i want to cooke Chinese version,However,be short of ROM knowledge.

It's very humdrum to cook ROM and test Rom .Just like DIY windows.

Thanks your Version.

This word be from China.
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] NIGHTCD:
+3 in Norwegian Please :-)
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] d3rm0d:
+1 in German please ... thx
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] wamawam:
Swedish would be appreciated.

The user interface itself is not so important. But to have the word suggestion when writing texts is great. Is there maybe any other method to add this word completion dictionary to the rom than to cook it?
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] krogoth:
Polish please :)
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] paulojdaniel:
+ 1 Portuguese, please!
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] Sniper477:
Hello,

Thank you for the Work!

Need FRENCH ROM please
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] taros666:
I'd like to test a german rom :)
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] The-bimse:
I wouldnt mind a danish version (:
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] unified:
Dear gullum

I am waiting for this ROM, since you have anounced that Multilanguage-Version with the Throttle IV Diamond

I want to have the german version, thank you very much for your hard work, you are the best :)
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] trugoy:
+1 for ITA

Thank you for all your hard work. :)

(I am using the ITA beta since you published.. and I really like it!!)
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] RiPLeY78:
Definately yes, we want your roms to continue being multilanguage.

You're the only one providing a rom in our native language, which is always useful. Though i have no problem using english roms, i really appreciate your work on providing multilanguage roms, as many people will find it easier to use on their no longer supported devices.

So definatelly a yes to multilanguage roms, and don't forget to put a Spanish version always (I think Spain is one country where English studies are not so spread, so there are lots of people here who doesn't know a word of english, much more than in other countries).

Thanks for your work.
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] varanusvincent:
gullum..release it...
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] gullum:
Hi varanusvincent

I'm going to release this weekend will start uploading soon.

but takeing into consideration that this post has had over 1500 views and only 44 replays I doubht I will ever release such a big proect again.
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] invd:
I'm sure it was/is lots of work for u, but I like your work (your Touch VI was the reason I upgraded to wm6..and have never gone back to wm5!) and many other do, too. But of course, WWE roms are completly ok for us! it is only: your affort to bring us roms in our native languages has much of the spirit f. ex. ubuntu (linux distro, if somebody don't know it) is created of - i simply like the idea so much. but these are only my thoughts, don't feel pushed in any direction by me - i use a WWE right now and it's great for me!
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] NIGHTCD:
Hello, Gullum.

i have also been using your WM06 rom in Norwegian fron the day you maked it :-).. Nice rom..

keep ut the good work..

NIGHTCD
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] mini.ch:
I´m looking forward to your new German ROM

Thanks a lot
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] minxwin:
Hey Gullum!

I always used your room. I use the english version and im really looking forward your final release of Diamond for Prophet.

Please do release your rom.

Thank you and please don't forget us prophet user....