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[Shift General] dave3211:
called Rogers

I called Rogers to ask about data plan.

After being on hold and transferred numerous times, I was advised I needed a voice plan to get the $30 data plan.

Cheepjing, if you have any further information as to how to get the $30 data plan even if I have to pay an extra $10, I would be very appreciative of the assistance.

Dave
[Shift General] cheapjing:
I have thought about switching to telus many times. Mainly since they have the thought of adding GSM before the olympics in canada. Too bad nothing have been comfirmed yet and I know its a fact its gonna cost them way too much to do so. Maybe Kodoo is making them enough for that plan, who knows. lol. But anyways.

Back to the point of rogers. Most of the agents on the phone are not well trained. I can bet 90% of people on this site who lives in canada knows more than most of the reps they have at the call center. I'm sure the agent advised you to get a voice plan cuz of two main reasons. 1: he/she has no freaken clue on why or what you want. 2: after asking his/her manager, they were advised to just sign you up for something and maybe they'll get a sale too! So far, i'm almost 100% sure you can just open a line with rogers for $10 with no voice and just add the 6gb option. Just the matter of the sales you talk to if he/she is dying for a sale or not then most likely they'll just force you into something you don't want. Thus, my advise would be, just wait for a few weeks if you can. Mean while, i'll ask the other rogers reps i know. Just to give you heads up, most likely i'll find a chinese sales since those are the only ones i know. lol. I'm going to wait till aug before i ask for some rogers plans for the end of summer cuz even if i ask know they know very little. But as back to school comes closer, more info will be release.

now side track a bit, damn i wish that rogers/fido offers two sim in one number or something. If there are anyone here who has or knows people who can do that let me know! I guess my best chance is still family plan, gotta somehow think of a way to bypass their system a bit.

Moreover, rumors says rogers maybe launching the touch pro or diamond.
[Shift General] dave3211:
Cut Off Date 6GB

Hi Cheapjing,

Thank You

Is the cut off date for 6GB plan end of Aug or Aug 6th?

Dave
[Shift General] cheapjing:
the offer stops end of aug. mind if i ask where u get aug 6th from?
[Shift General] dave3211:
Aug6th

I thought I read it in Toronto Star somewhere, I am wrong.

Dave
[Shift General] cheapjing:
hey, just comfirmed with fido that offer ends aug 31st. also, i'd also asked about not getting voice but data only plan from them (since rogers and fido offers the same data plans now) they told me that u can get a base plan of $15 which includes system access fee (6.95) and 911 fee (50cents) and then add on a 6gb option on top of that. catch is, it must be on a three year contract good and i'm not too too sure if u'll be able to get that as a new costumer but then again, it wouldnt be too too hard to get a frd whos with fido to open a new line in the same account for that plan and then transfer that line to ur name one or two months down the road. also, this plan cannot be purchases at any retail store, u'll have to call rentention department for that. good news is, since u'll be signing a 3 year contract for that, might as well get an iphone 3g for the 3 year contract price and resell it back out, or gift it, or use it as a mouse for your shift! lmao. choice is your's, i'll sure let you know on any updates with going around the data plans.
[Shift General] dave3211:
Follow Up

I will call Fido and ask for retention dept. I will likely wait until middle of Aug, I am waiting for Telus to release EVDO Rev A update for HTC Touch.

My issues are simple:

Is $45/month worth it to have SIM Card in Shift vs the 3 min it takes to connect Touch via PDAnet and use as modem, this is as long as Telus does not charge me for tethering.

Telus has the HTC Touch Diamond coming out, would I rather pay upgrade for Touch Diamond or purchase iPhone

with DAVE and Globalive winning spectrum, when will Rogers/Fido lower their data prices, if I am locked into a 3 year contract with Fido, will they lower prices for existing contracts when other GSM carriers enter market?

One other thing I have is once I liberate Shift, there is a way to use Wifi with Snapview (need Vista on/battery drain)

Since I have the Touch, it provides me all the Windows Mobile capabilities I need in Canada and I use Snapview in US with AT&T MediaNet service @ $20/month for unlimited data (I can add feature when needed, based on having pre paid plan with AT&T).

I am leaning towards not moving on the Fido plan for the above reasons, if it was $30 and only system access fee and not a long term contract or if Fido/Rogers offered data on pre-paid plans I would consider.

I also have to consider my past experience with Rogers, they truly suck at customer service, I understand Fido is pretty good, however, I am not sure if I want to contribute to the 300 plus million profit Rogers earned. I also have friends who have contracts with Rogers that Rogers lied/changed.
[Shift General] cheapjing:
i fully understand what you're worried about. However, like you said with Globalive winning a high amount (while in the end it was still rogers who took the most spending just under 1billion) thinking deeper into it, yes, they should drop their prices. But once again, after spending that amount of money how much are they willing to drop prices by? nevertheless, they already knew that they were gonna blow 1billion away before where as i'm sure that was one of the main reason to wanting to launch the iphone with choppy data plans. and with new companies coming in, yes they will drop the price, but on data? highly unlikely. if a new company was to come into the three way battle, its hard for them to start up with both voice and data. personally, i love fido. though rogers is kind of effecting fido's customer's services, in the end, they are still the best i've had out of so many other places i called for help.

Either ways, personally, i would go on with what u had in mind as long as telus does not charge u extra. reason being, the longer you stay with a company and then call to have upgrades, the better deals you'll get. i've been with fido for 4 years now with two lines. my main line's price went from $50+ (150day, unlimited eve, fido-rogers free +plus all the junk) now it went down to $28 after tax with everything i need and a little bit more. took me a while to get a deal like that, were as i'm sure telus can do the same since i've heard some frds of mine who's been with telus for long and now have really really cheap plans. but in the end, that is all about the voice plans. in order for us to afford fair data plans, we'll need cheap voice. in the end, rogers should go right into the trash can unless you get ur plans for like $10 from your work place and or able to retention a $15 plan where i've seen happening but its one of those dont try it urself risks. luckily fido started having data plans. (i'm a apple hater somewhat) but it was all because of them thats why now we have cheaper plans so, good stuff. lol

if you ask me, is paying $45 for 6 gb on shift worth it, my answer is no. unless you're always on the go online, which cannot happen since shift has short battery life. other options includes investing a little on the side. you've heard of the unplugged dsl, right? offered by both rogers and bell. that could work in the car too (as i heard) costing almost the same price with 4 more gb of data but, limited to when u're near a power supply. on the side, you can always use your touch to modem up with ur shift. but in the end, will rogers drop the hspa data prices? i'll recommand not to have hopes up though in canada people knows how to complain, but they have no clue what they were complaining about to begin with. wait till mid aug and see, we still have some time.

on the side note, if only the us cdma shift can make it work here with telus or bell. if so, i'll really think about it. maybe i should read up on that. ha
[Shift General] dave3211:
Follow Up

Hi,

I agree with you 100% on almost everything.

I may call Fido to see if they can cut me a deal for the 6GB plan for convenience, I would be willing to pay around $40, for Fido, they get a brand new customer for 3 years.

BTW, I have a friend who used to work at Rogers as a executive, he told me Rogers rapes their customers on long distance (they use their own backhaul network to carry voice), LD calls cost Rogers same as local calls.

Rogers screws their customers on data because if you have GSM device, you have only one choice.

On the subject of CDMA Shift, Bell and Telus will not allow any ESN (Electronic Serial Numbers) that they do not sell on their networks.

I do think you will see competition on data from Globalive, maybe Quebecor and maybe DAVE, the money backing Globalive has 70 million wireless users globally and have the better clout than Rogers with Erisson and handset manufacturers to build a network more cost effectively than Rogers. They can also use current technology like Dragonwave for backhaul or Wi-Max to lower their costs.

In the short term, they will have to sign roaming agreements with Rogers, however, they will be able to offer more affordable voice and data.

If these new entrants do not lower prices, Jim Prentice(Industry Canada) should be lynched.

Remember, the Canadian government allowed Rogers to purchase Fido, Rogers is just taking advantage of the cards that were delt.
[Shift General] cheapjing:
Sounds like a plan to me. To be honest, they wouldn't be cutting the cost ON the data plan itself. As contract with iPhone and the fact that data is all on rogers network. The rep told me that himself. However, that all just means not to pitch them that way. They do have $10 plan with no minutes, you may be able to pull it off IF u already have a relation with them. Nevertheless, give it a shot. The $10 plan i was told that was ONLY for people who paused their accounts (though most of the time that $10 is a CR for max of a year) Also, like i said before, $15 plan does include the SAF fee. Come to think about it, you might just be able to pull it off. They might ask you to sign contract for 2 or 3 years giving you a $5cr for the contract term and give u the $15 plan. Moreover, if they still hard push you to the full $15, just be like, "I'm signing a contract WITHOUT taking a phone" so that itself is a $75cr.

Yes, rogers are sons of scammers. I guess thats why they offer so many rogers to rogers accross canada. If you were to go with fido, i highly recommand to do it before fido becomes more n more like rogers (as i see them going that path). Well, fast i don't mean like within days, more like within a year.

I do see strong advancments with Yak. But honestly, i highly doubt thats going to happen anytime soon. With Kodoo (from telus) entering this year bombing the lower class market like mad, it makes it harder. I'm sure they can pull it off. How, i will not question yet since most likely they going to blow us with some surprises (but to me those surprises does not worth the chance of not being able to sign a 6gb deal on HSPA network). I look forward in the upcoming battle.

BUT with all aside, we should just take most advantage out from what we have now. Only god knows how long we'll have to wait till canadian data prices drops. Good luck with Fido! I'll keep you updated if i found out any more info.
[Shift General] dave3211:
WooHoo

According to Fido customer service, I can get plan for $30/month plus $7.95 access fee.

Wooo Hoo

Dave
[Shift General] cheapjing:
Holy good stuff! Might as well strike for unlimited text! Since shift works with that. Also, just have the agent confirm that the $30 data plan does come with unlimited emails as i've been told so. Just tell them its for a Windows Mobile device, they don't need that much details, it'll just confuse them. Btw, SAF is only 6.95, if they are charging u 7.95 i honestly wouldn't complain.
[Shift General] dave3211:
Screwed

Hi,

The ongoing saga.

This morning I showed up at Fido retailer, put my plastic down to give Fido money to sign up to plan and was told by a supervisor (dealer supervisor) that I must have a voice plan to get $30 data/6GB.

Is it possible to get data plan without voice?

Have you been able to confirm?

Any assiatance would be appreciated, based on experience with all 3 wireless carriers, many times agents and many times supervisors are not well informed.

If you have been able to confirm I can do $30 plan without data, do you have a name/employee # of someone who said it can be done?

HELP
[Shift General] cheapjing:
Lol, sorry to hear that but don't mean to brag or rub it in ur face, i thought that was exactly i warned u about? Retail stores they are the lease informed and most powerless with only a handful of exceptions. There will be no way at all you can get a data plan without voice AT a store. Where did you get offered for that $10 plan with no voice so you can add the data plan? try contacting them back. my contact from rogers (whom once offered me $25 city rogers plan and i stupidly rejected) is away on vacation so i'll have to put a hold on that. Moreover, the only way u can get some short of deals is to call fido the retention department. As i have mentioned before with retention plans you must be a fido customer for min of 6 months i believe. Or there is one other way. Its risky, but do-able and i will not be able to advice that through this website. Well, i wouldnt want any issues to myself and or to this site, correct? lol. Honestly, that gives myself an idea. Lol, i'll think about it and plan it out a little. But most importantly, is time.
[Shift General] dave3211:
Screwed

Hi,

Before I went to store, I , called Fido and spoke to an agent named Kevin (did not get his employee ID). I spent an hour talking to him, he advised me that I could have $30 data plan without voice.

Yesterday, I went to store and was told I needed minimum $ 25 voice plan.

I spoke to a Fido store in London, Ontario, he told me about the retention plan, however thought retention would not offer anything since I they could not do $10 voice plan with 6GB data.

How stupid can this company be, I want to give them money for a service, I am guessing I will use no more than 1GB a month.

If I cannot get a reasonable deal from Fido, I will wait for another GSM carrier to emerge.

It is an inconvenience not to be able to use Snapview in Canada, however, it is not the end of the world
[Shift General] dave3211:
New Twist

According to Fido sales, must be a Fido phone.

There is no consistency in the answers from Fido sales.

I guess the dark evil Rogers empire has set their "crappy customer service" motto on the poor Fido customer service team.

I am somewhat tempted to get the 6GB plan with $20 voice plan on 3 years (worse case is I have to pay $100 termination fee).

When I signed up for AT&T Pay as You go Service (AT&T Medianet), I had almost no hassles even though I live in Canada. The service will not work in Canada since AT&T has not signed an agreement for pre-paid data with Rogers.

I understand the business decisions that Rogers/Fido are making, they seem to be decisions made by a monopoly, not a company that fears competition.

I sure hope George Cope at Bell and Darren Entwistle at Telus decide to make change to GSM technology, then there will be a price free for all and customer should win.

I still think Globalive will decide on competitive data as well.

Dave
[Shift General] cheapjing:
honestly, your so called new twist is kinda old. you came by either a new customer rep and or, a retail rep. okay, thinking about it, for the $7 unlimited surfing plan, sure for sure thats for rogers/fido phones only cuz no doubt they have a way to track it. However, with the 6gb data plan, if they say it works for everything with the exception of pc cards, its pretty much saying, theres no way they will know what the hell we gonna be using that 6gb for. nevertheless, its gonna be on windows mobile. on top of that you do have 15 days to cancel your contract. so IF you were to get a plan, you'll be able to call them crap loads of times within 15days checking if you're getting charged for data usages just make up some excuses like, o, i needed like 5min online with my laptop yesterday just checking if that charged. you see where i'm getting to?

moreover, i find the 6gb data plan is very reasonable. Really cannot expect a D- student to Ace their final exams. upgrading to B is already a big jump. And like i've said before, people don't even know what they were complaing about to begin with. Even if rogers was to offer $50 with unlimited data, those stupid fs woulda still continue making up stupid complaints. Moreoever, with home internet being capped, i can't find any reasons why they should launch unlimited (i shall quote) "data" wireless plans.

On the other hand, you should continue trying fido's number. just hound them. make up different stories every time. get transfered to retention department. Since u're not a customer, you get to call as many times as you want and it wouldn't be on records. just don't leave your name and number.

In the end, DO NOT! once again DO NOT! go to retail stores. It'll be next to heaven's gates to have a rep who can get you a plan for less than $20.

callcallcall. call and complain, why am i getting rejected to sign up for an iphone when i clearly saw someone buying one right after i ask. Why am i being offer a different plan that i was offered 10 minutes ago just cuz i went to get my visa and all your plans change? manymany stories, come to think about it, it might be fun too. lol, just kidding. but none the less, you'll have to go through a few clueless reps (i say clueless cuz honestly, its not their fault for not knowing the in and outs of the company)

But, if you're willing to take a risky move, mail me or something. anyways, good luck. it took me one month of back to back calling to finally get my dirt cheap voice.
[Shift General] dave3211:
Update

Hi

I was able to get $30 plan (did have to sign to $20 voice plan)

That's the sort of good news.

bad news:

Their customer service once you have the plan sucks!!!

I have been trying to get proper settings for 2 days.

The setting that seems to work is :

APN: internet.fido.ca

user : fido

password: fido

Fido has been advising me to use their DNS servers.

I been also told to use WAP settings, its been a nightmare, I was on wait for 1 hour Thursday night for setting and their customer support keep telling me I can not talk to technical people because the device is not supported/sold by Fido.

Anywoo, I have a GPRS/Edge connection that was able to download the liberate files via gmail.

The exchange push email works and weather.

I cannot get Fido connection to work on Vista, any suggestions
[Shift General] cheapjing:
i'll recommand opening up a new post for this.
[ZTE Nubia Z20 Questions & Answers] canbaobao:
Hi, I’ve rooted the phone and then unrooted, but the device info in fastboot interface still showing:

Device is root: -1

fastboot unlock count:-1

Can any one tell me is the phone still rooted? If so, how to totally unroot?

Many thanks in advance!
[Samsung Galaxy S20 / S20+ / S20 Ultra Questions & ] cantara256:
Did the latest firmware fix the GPS problems that were being reported? Anyone still having issues?

I'd like to get an S20+ but not if the GPS is broken.
[Samsung Galaxy S20 / S20+ / S20 Ultra Questions & ] tdevaughn:
Working fine here
[Samsung Galaxy S20 / S20+ / S20 Ultra Questions & ] vash_h:
Never had gps problem and i play many gps augmented reality games like pokemon go, wizards unite and ingress.. Not to mention Google Maps and Waze.. And life360 for my wife to track me.
[Samsung Galaxy S20 / S20+ / S20 Ultra Questions & ] olafsand:
Same here, no problems from first day. Exynos s20u
[Samsung Galaxy S20 / S20+ / S20 Ultra Questions & ] bkeaver:
I never had an issue with either ultra models I had. I've seen threads but both Waze and Google maps works flawless for me
[Samsung Galaxy S20 / S20+ / S20 Ultra Questions & ] russiandivxclub:
I actually do have some gps problems. In most cases it takes very long time to fix location. I am talking about when Waze for example take 2 to 3 minutes to get gps fix. During this time I tried Google maps and it's also can't find exact location and using WiFi/Cellular for approximate location. Not sure what's up but I can report that. Also this is not happening often but it did several times on me so it's not onetimer.

Latest fw g988u1 unlocked.
[Samsung Galaxy S20 / S20+ / S20 Ultra Questions & ] costindaemon:
Same here. Have a Pixel4 as well and compared to the S20 its much faster and more precise.

S20 gets as good as 8m accuracy on my balcony and no 3d fix, while the P4 gets 3m and 3d fix. Also, the S20 takes a long time for the initial fix, it shows no satellites for a couple of minutes.

Test done withe the GPS test app.
[Nokia 6.1 (2018) Questions & Answers] Mobyism:
Hi. I have had a somewhat old Nokia 6.1. I kept it off for 6 months or so. Now, I have turned it on and forgot password. I also have not had the Bootloader Unlocked, So I cannot access recovery to do a Hard Reset. Can someone help me. I have tried internet searching and all give the same method, Settings or Recovery, Both of which I can't access. Help me?
[Nokia 6.1 (2018) Questions & Answers] alprtewwqfr:
What password are you ask?
[Nokia 6.1 (2018) Questions & Answers] zuhaibsarwar:
Press volume up and power up buton both at same time.you will get in android default recovery from there select factory reset.clicking on factory reset will delete everything on mobile
[Redmi Note 9S / Note 9 Pro (Indian Model) Question] Drackean:
Hello. Can the owners of the Redmi Note 9 please inform the display manufacturer of the device? I have a Redmi note 7 with image retention and my unit uses a Tianma display, which seems to be bound for problems of image retention. And even so, Xiaomi/Redmi hasn't given up on this manufacturer still.

If you don't know how to, please use this guide:

https://all-spares.com/en/articles-and-video/how-to-check-the-lcd-vendor-in-xiaomi-smartphones.html

Thank you very much.
[Redmi Note 9S / Note 9 Pro (Indian Model) Question] kushyree:
mine redmi note 9s global, huaxing panel ft8756
[Redmi Note 9S / Note 9 Pro (Indian Model) Question] Zasnizas:
Mine huaxing
[Redmi Note 9S / Note 9 Pro (Indian Model) Question] ov2rey:
My Redmi Note 9S is huaxing
[Redmi Note 9S / Note 9 Pro (Indian Model) Question] Zasnizas:
I think the majority of RMN9S sold globally is used huaxing panel
[Redmi Note 9S / Note 9 Pro (Indian Model) Question] wjzhweo:
RMN9s Vietnam huaxing panel
[Redmi Note 9S / Note 9 Pro (Indian Model) Question] Drackean:
https://youtu.be/AG8S6WSjJ-A?t=42

I didn't understand what the guy said (language), but it's clear there is image retention on his unit. Sadly, no hope for better Xiaomi/Redmi LCD panels.
[Redmi Note 9S / Note 9 Pro (Indian Model) Question] Apcoolboy:
he mentioned two major problem of lcd panel. 1) pixels burning like amoled screens (he shows putting keyboard on for 30 min and it burned on display). 2) Edge bleeding specially near camera cut and whole boarder of phone.

I don't know is true ? somebody please confirm this. (this redmi is indian version shown in youtube video)
[OnePlus 5 Questions & Answers] Guillosd:
Which rom and/or app can screenrecord with audio? Haven't had any luck in Aicp, android Pie

Edit: Switched to theOne5Os (tweaked OOS), the oneplus screenrecorder Is able to record internal audio ?
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I guess android freedom has limits, I really wanted internal audio in my screenrecordings
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[OnePlus 5 Questions & Answers] Guillosd:
I just want to screenrecord some gameplays. No ones privacy is affected