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[Huawei P40 Pro Real Life Review] Klosterbruder:
I can achieve a similar result if I use a Displace filter with some postprocessing software like Affinity Photo, easy.

In fact, that's how your sample picture looks like - like if the original picture got overlayed with a second picture adding the structure, perceived as picture defects as a result.

Thus I wonder whether I should take your question seriously. ;)

If I did, I would answer: "No, that's not normal. P40 Pro's picture should look like the P30's photo or better."

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Joshyfry93: I tried to reconstruct your situation with pictures getting "smudged" while viewing - and didn't succeed a single time.

Please upload a video on YouTube showing that effect on the P40 Pros display (use a second camera), post a link to that video here. (XDA needs you to do about 20 posts (although the FAQ speaks of just 10) before you're allowed to attach photos.)

General hint: If your phone tells you to hold still right after taking a picture, just do so. Similar with night mode - if you dance the funky chicken while taking the picture, the outcome won't be utmost satisfying. ;)
[Huawei P40 Pro Real Life Review] GAINER:
Hi Klosterbruder,

Decided not to feel offended of your suggestion that I am somehow falsify the issue I am facing. After all I bough the new P40 Pro as an upgrade for my P30 Pro and instead of being happy I feel bad.

I uploded the original photos below, so you can check the EXIF data.

I have to highlite, that those pixelation and artifacts are most visible in very dark condition - almost pitch black. In that case the pictures are taken in the bathroom with almost fully closed door. But at the same conditions P30 Pro produces a clean photo, although a little bit darker.

P40 Pro

P30 Pro
[Huawei P40 Pro Real Life Review] vandal4e:
do you know anything about photography? p30 pro photo has no detail in the shadows, p40 lifts the shadow at the expense of smearing, every program can do that with the same success
[Huawei P40 Pro Real Life Review] grizzlyspid86:
Honestly I prefer P30 Pro on that sample. Taken on Auto or Night Mode?

Nevertheless new OTA update is coming with camera quality improvement on .141 firmware.
[Huawei P40 Pro Real Life Review] GAINER:
Are you serious? I claim that the P40 Pro photo is perfectly fine? And also claim that you have some knowledge of photography?

If you have nothing to contribute regarding the issue, your comments are meaningless.

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Both photos are taken in taken in Standart mode. Actually in Night mode the result from P40 Pro is even worst!

Sure I will wait the new OTA (i have no choice), but my goal to post here my issues, was to understand if my case is un exeption and hoping to find some solution.
[Huawei P40 Pro Real Life Review] Klosterbruder:
If I wished to just offend you, I hadn't provided an additional serious answer. :)

Of course I first tried to reconstruct your situation, taking photos of my bathroom (which looks a bit similar) under REAL bad lighting conditions - I could not even see the subject with my bare eyes.

I found that the "Pink issue" is still there under firmware .136 (which could be a result of Huawei waving farewell to the Bayer matrix and failing to optimize the adapted algorithms perfectly), but my photos turned out quite sharp, with just a few artifacts reminding of the masses of artifacts found in your picture. But they were small, like darker or lighter dots, not showing the visible texture of your artifacts.

I took another photo under even worse lighting conditions - and found some repeating artifacts (like dark spots), but still far less obvious than yours. Both pics taken in normal mode.

There's a repeating pattern of the artifacts in your pics, I indeed found the same artifacts repetition in my own pics, same distance, same angles - but far less intensive, without the "artifacts texture" your pictures show.

I also tried the night mode, giving the pics a strong yellow hue (caused by incandescent light), some discolorations and unsharpness, but no visible artifacts.

So of course photo quality degraded, but not down to the point your pics show, not even close.

There's one strange finding in your EXIF data: The ISO, being 65535 with both of your photos, 2 to the power of 16 (including 0, thus 65536 minus 1), or 2^16, a typical binary number.

ISO values usually are doubled values, like 100, 200, 400, 800, 1600, ... - but not multiples of 2 to the power of x.

So what's the reason of your ISO being 65535 (65536 - 1) with both photos?

I guess that's got something to do with the bad outcome of your pics, like your camera being locked to a fixed ISO, while your P40 Pro needs to play with the ISO values to achieve a solid result.

Did you try resetting the camera settings?

I also regard your comment as not helpful, more like living it up to your name, there's no better details in the P40's shadows, there's just wrong oversharpening. I also prefer the P30's photo over the pure mess the P40 delivered. And I do know something about photography. ;)
[Huawei P40 Pro Real Life Review] vandal4e:
i have zero issues both in auto and pro mode in complete darkness so recheck your wrongdoings like exposure, metering, focus point, and get better results, it's nowhere as good at night as my S20 ultra side by side , which was already pointed by gsmarena, but it's neither as bad as u paint it out to be. at the end of the day if it fails to meet your expectations you can always swap it for something newer in Q4
[Huawei P40 Pro Real Life Review] GAINER:
Thank you for the most detailed comment!

I am out of ideas unfortuantelly. Both cameras have been reset to the default setings noumeros times during my tests. And both photos were shot in Auto mode (Standart photo).

I even made a hard reset.

So as far as i understand it is not a known (standart) issue for all P40 pro's, which means I drew the short straw... :(
[Huawei P40 Pro Real Life Review] Klosterbruder:
Don't give up. ;) I guess it's just a software problem - I was able to reconstruct a part of your issues, I also found artifacts in my lowest-light photos showing the same repeating patterns. Far less strong than yours, but stilll there. There's a lot of algorithm magic happening behind the scenes, especially in night modes (including the standard mode) which sometimes just fail. Maybe your P40 Pro just doesn't like your bathroom setting.

Did you try low-light photos at other places?

But there's still that "impossible" ISO values. Would you mind sending me the original photos via eMail, so I can have a closer look? I'll provide you an eMail address via PN.

And vandal4e ...

I know it's best to ignore ankle-biters - but in that case, they might make theirselves believe they delivered an unbeatable argument if there's no answer. So ...

If your camera delivers perfect pictures in complete darkness, you should get your yellow pages and search for a professional exorcist. As your camera CANNOT provide usable pictures in complete darkness, it must be obsessed by Merkel (evil). As simple as that.

a) There's no expose settings in standard mode. b) Metering does not influence occurrence of repeating artifacts patterns. c) The sample picture was focused sufficiently.

I understand your point: People love making others go green with envy if they bought a new device. That's the reason why owners of rotting-fruit-phones only buy protective covers still showing the bitten apple. And that's the reason why proud owners write five-stars reviews about subzero crap at Amazon. That's why people returning from a horror vacation tell others it had been an absolute dream holiday.

People hate everything shedding shadows on the glory of their new pride. This is typically human.

But we need to stay real.

There's no modern electronics device without any flaws. The camera system of our P40 Pro is the best of the crop, but it still has some weaknesses. (Personally, I could go MAD about the close-to-useless "PRO" mode, very obviously designed by bloody amateurs with NO knowledge about real-world photography needs.)

If we don't talk about them, the issues will never get eliminated.

So let people talk about the issues THEY encountered without attacking them - and just be happy about not sharing the same experience.

Sounds great? ;)
[Huawei P40 Pro Real Life Review] olaf2k4:
I keep reading this and I can't seriously understand people not wanting to grasp the concept of the focal dept being tied to the aperture of the lens... that being said, and some people already mentioned this : this phone has a massive camera sensor paired with small aperture lens, this does result in a narrow focal depth. Also keep in mind if you all bought the phone to just take pictures you might be better off buying a mirrorless camera instead and then just slap whatever lens tickles your fancy ...

I can't say I'm disappointed with this phone after 2 weeks of use. Tbh if it weren't for the lack of GMS on it it would probably be considered the best phone of the year ...

Also I believe any residual camera issues will be solved with updates , it may take a while since Huawei is preparing the release of EMUI 11 in the fall ... till them I am sure you can live without making the perfect photo in a 0 LUX environment ... if not feel free to chose something else... no one is forcing you to buy the 40 pro ...
[Huawei P40 Pro Real Life Review] grizzlyspid86:
+1 to this. People should understand basic photography if one getting a great smartphone camera for higher price. Speaking of non-GMS issue, how things working out for you? Thinking of getting next Mate 40.

I know its out of topic discussion, but I'm happy with my current Mate 20. All i can say i'm in love with the 'Leica' images tuning on Huawei's phone. Here are some of my samples using Mate 20 recently.
[Huawei P40 Pro Real Life Review] olaf2k4:
Well as much as I'd like to say get it , I wouldn't advise it ... I was lucky to get some semblance of GMS working on my P40 Pro ... but tried it on a P40 Lite for a friend and it wouldn't work , that being said i did push a software update trough before so that may have been the culprit. I still don't get Gmail notifications, Duo is not working, neider is the news app , and most frustratingly ... 2FA is broken have to rely on SMS that's notoriously unreliable here in Romania for 2FA (it tends to be late a lot)...

I upgraded from my old P9 to a P30 Lite then switched to the P40 Pro , so for me the upgrade was significant ... I don't think the Mate 40 will be that big of a step up from a Mate 20 also keep in mind that with the new 'murican "fair play" in trade it might have some quality issues incumbent on Huawei not being able to source components as best as possible ...
[Huawei P40 Pro Real Life Review] scoubi23:
hello sorry for my english i use google translation.

I own the p30 pr, the p40 pro interests me my I have some questions.

the photo quality and better on the P40 pro than on the P30 pro?

does the P40 pro have macro mode? as on the P30 pro

thank you
[Huawei P40 Pro Real Life Review] grizzlyspid86:
Thanks for the feedback. Yeah seems like the GMS thing still an issue without stable solution.

I change phone every 2 years, in order to keep up with technology. Mate 40 is the answer wether i'm gonna stick with Huawei or not. Its a shame really as i really love its camera image processing compare to others.

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Not so much an upgrade. At least wait for P50. And no, P40 does not have Super Macro mode as P30 has.

P30 Pro actually still the best phone from Huawei till date, with GMS included.
[Huawei P40 Pro Real Life Review] vandal4e:
P30 pro camera is inferior in everything compared to P40 pro, as a complete smartphone package every non-Huawei phone has GMS, and NONE comes close to P40 Pro camera experience, and this is the topic for photo quality, not GMS, so stick to it please
[Huawei P40 Pro Real Life Review] grizzlyspid86:
P40 camera not better than P30 in everything, junior.
[Huawei P40 Pro Real Life Review] jericho246:
Yes P40 Pro has better photo quality. But unfortunately it lacks macro mode.

Any professional reviewer will tell you that the P40 Pro is better than the P30 Pro in terms of photo quality. It's just people who don't know what they're doing say the P30 takes better pictures. But they're wrong.
[Huawei P40 Pro Real Life Review] emperor4her:
Why don't you take a 50mp photo and zoom. It's like macro mode!

Is there any working Gcam? I can't find anything..
[Huawei P40 Pro Real Life Review] Borh77:
GCam Go is working. It is a featureless GCam. In my opinion, the pictures by day a far better than the stock camera app. The colors are natural with GCam Go whereas the colors are very flashy with the stock app, pictures look like wallpapers and not like reality.

Unfortunately, GCam Go works very badly at night (the strong point of the stock app), have limited zoom and no wide angle so it can't replace the stock app.

https://www.cyanogenmods.org/downloads/greatness-camera-go-gcam-go/
[Huawei P40 Pro Real Life Review] emperor4her:
yes i tryed the Camera Go, but i didnt like the quality and the missing features.

i used to believe that the Gcam, gets better quality on photos with more details.

i tryed some versions "they say for p40 pro", but noone of them worked.
[Huawei P40 Pro Real Life Review] Spellbound_91:
Night mode

Hello all,

I found something weird with photos taken with night mode.

When I want to take some photos in low light conditions there is a problem with postprocessing. I mean that the photo taken has a lot of noise and looks terrible.

Sample photo - P40 Pro , taken on night mode with ISO and shutter speed on auto.

[url=https://postimg.cc/s1Hq255t][/URL]

On this photo you could see the noise in the sky area!

My wife has an iPhone 11 and I compared its night mode with P40 pro's night mode and the photo taken with iPhone 11 is better than p40 pro.

Sample photo - iPhone 11 on night mode

[url=https://postimg.cc/LqFrpRj5][/URL]

I also made some photos with "Pro" mode on P 40 Pro and, of course, the taken photos were better than these from iPhone 11, but the night mode on P40 pro is not good enough for a high-end device.

Do you have that problem like me? How to solve it?

I am currently on Firmware version 10.1.0.131 and recently I've done a factory reset, but the problem is still there.

Sample photos - P40 Pro , Pro mode

[url=https://postimg.cc/mtcq1hwh][/URL]

[url=https://postimg.cc/NLjZYd26][/URL]
[Huawei P40 Pro Real Life Review] kyero985:
Auto mode for me and for most other people (including reviewers from what I've seen), seems to perform much better than night mode - colours are more accurate, there's more detail and there's less noise. Night Mode makes all my pictures seem a bit worse, except for using it in Wide Angle mode surprisingly.

Have you tried .148 for your P40P assuming it's an EU one? What's your software build and model? It should give you quite a noticeable improvement in general if you're willing to try flashing it.
[Huawei P40 Pro Real Life Review] Spellbound_91:
I haven't tried it because it's still not released to my region.

My device i EU c432. I know that 10.1.0.147 is released for my region but I haven't received it yet.

Is there any way to download and manually flash firmwares? And will this avoid my warranty?
[Huawei P40 Pro Real Life Review] kyero985:
It might be worth waiting another month or so max if you're not in a rush as Huawei push the OTA updates by IMEI batches from what I have been told by their Customer Support reps. .

148 for me is performing extremely well, and even allows me to take better macro shots than I did at the beginning, as well as slightly improved night mode photos in Auto.

I don't think it will void your warranty because your device still has a locked bootloader - we're not trying to root it or modify it. When I flashed mine to the full .148 OTA (I'm also on EU C432 so .147, .148 and .149 are all the same for this region and model), it didn't even wipe the data/settings from the stock ROM so it technically shouldn't, but don't hold me to it 100%.
[Huawei P40 Pro Real Life Review] Spellbound_91:
Unfortunately the photo quality is the same and with auto mode. Actually it's a little bit better than night mode, but the noise is there and it's clearly visible.

I am a little bit disappointed of camera now.

This is unacceptable for device of that price...
[Huawei P40 Pro Real Life Review] BikeHelmet:
It's not the camera - it's the camera app, and how it processes the light data. Samsung had the same problem after S20 release, and fixed it within ~3 months. They still have the fuzzy out-of-focus problem though, especially in the Ultra.

I think Apple has the most consistent track record of cameras being "ready" at the release date. Most other companies patch and patch and patch until it's polished. Takes 3-6 months. The at-launch photos/reviews are rarely ever fully relevant 6 months after release.

Since others have reported that 1.44 and later seem to improve camera quality, getting your hands on a later firmware to evaluate should be your first objective.
[Huawei P40 Pro Real Life Review] Spellbound_91:
Will see. I am waiting for next update 10.1.0.147, which actually make improvements on front camera but I hope it will affect rear camera though.
[Huawei P40 Pro Real Life Review] J.H.Tech:
ive found the noise on the img changes per mode , currently in the UK it doesnt get Dark until late but i find in auto mode and hi res most images still have pop without distorting or showing too much noise obviously the darker the environment the more noise in the image however this is night vision in a phone and stuff we hadn't seen like this until P30 Pro last year, i still remember the first few updates boosted the camera massively !! i think whilst they are updating everything feedback is normally given on testing apps like smart test which i found in the app gallery, maybe the next version of EMUI will bring out even more crazy good software for the camera!!
[Huawei P40 Pro Real Life Review] Lazerr:
Any idea what is wrong with OIS on the 5x camera when shooting in RAW? It just does not seem to work at all...
[Huawei P40 Pro Real Life Review] Flying Fox:
Oh, haven't noticed yet. But you are right. That's not good...
[Huawei P40 Pro Real Life Review] Lazerr:
At least it is not just my phone then...
[Huawei P40 Pro Real Life Review] Security555:
Of course not, the main culprit seems to be a battery or a wi-fi module.

Justifications don't make your photographs look better, and explain why the most important and most expensive part in a phone doesn't perform as advertised or as expected in that price range and especially from Huawei.

People still buying Huawei flagship phones even without Google services only because of the camera performance and yet they failed to deliver on customer's expectations.

Unfortunately P 40 is a failure, but as far as I understand P-series was never meant to be a flagship, you see it's another justification for Huawei's failure.

Let's hope Mate 40 will make Huawei greate again.
[Huawei P40 Pro Real Life Review] BikeHelmet:
No, it's the camera app. It has nothing to do with the battery or WiFi. But if big companies like Samsung can muddle it up and take months to fix it, it might take a company with less resources (and split focus due to US sanctions) a while longer. This is the kind of thing where you need a 6-months-in camera review to see if everything is resolved. Sometimes it is, other times (like with the S20 Ultra), it isn't.

Not much that you can do about it when buying a bleeding edge flagship. If you want Apple refinement, buy an iPhone. You'll get the new features 2 years later, but they'll be very polished.

That would be great. Kirin 1000 or 1020 is also their final SOC... I guess.
[Huawei P40 Pro Real Life Review] photo?photo!:
Hey all!

In the mate 30 pro, the wide-angle module in the pro mode and, accordingly, in the raw mode gave 40MP.

The same camera module, in the P40 Pro in pro and RAW mode, produces only 10MP.

Is this a software bug, or a "gift" to Huawei?
[Huawei P40 Pro Real Life Review] starbase64:
[MENTION=10979879]photo?photo![/MENTION]

RAW is always full sensor size photo 8192x6144, high resolution on or not is irrelevant
[Huawei P40 Pro Real Life Review] photo?photo!:
Mate 30 Pro

Daylight samples, ultra wide angle camera: 40MP - f/1.8, ISO 50, 1/1508s

Camera P40 Pro -

50 MP, f/1.9, 23mm (wide), 1/1.28", 2.44µm, omnidirectional PDAF, OIS

12 MP, f/3.4, 125mm (periscope telephoto), PDAF, OIS, 5x optical zoom

40 MP, f/1.8, 18mm (ultrawide), 1/1.54", PDAF

TOF 3D, (depth)

A similar wide-angle module in the P40 Pro.

Where is the 40MP image output, along with 10MP?

And RAW from it?

No.

Is this a bug or a "feature" of the Huawei?
[Huawei P40 Pro Real Life Review] starbase64:
Jpg is not raw, dng is raw!
[Huawei P40 Pro Real Life Review] DaSoul:
I ordered the P40 Pro as I thought, it has pretty much the best cameras, also given its high dxomark ranking.

Unfortunately I've found out now, it isn't.

Here is my own comparison between:

iPhone 11 Pro Max, stock cam running latest iOS 14.0 beta vs.

Huawei P40 Pro ELS-NX9, stock cam running EMUI 10.1.0.121

Left image is always iPhone, right image is P40 Pro, all images have been taken in "Foto" mode. P40 Pro Ai mode turned off.

Blanket, P40 Pro gives weird color spots

[IMG="Blanket"]https://i.imgur.com/dL7Mxiq.jpg?1[/IMG]

Blanket crop, clearly the iPhone gives sharper more detailed sewing

[IMG="Blanket crop"]https://i.imgur.com/23ubBRm.jpg?2[/IMG]

Cat

[IMG="Cat"]https://i.imgur.com/m8n4kqz.jpg?1[/IMG]

Cat crop, P40 Pro gives unsharp hairs

[IMG="Cat crop"]https://i.imgur.com/5HRlMOe.jpg?1[/IMG]

Knife

[IMG="Knife"]https://i.imgur.com/PdxAAc0.jpg?1[/IMG]

Knife crop, P40 Pro is unsharp in knife details

[IMG="Knife crop"]https://i.imgur.com/DY8K8OH.jpg?1[/IMG]

Lamp

[IMG="Lamp"]https://i.imgur.com/ZLKPFB5.jpg?1[/IMG]

Lamp crop, P40 Pro lack of detail in the backround

[IMG="Lamp crop"]https://i.imgur.com/8jQd9yU.jpg?1[/IMG]

Pencil case

[IMG="Pencil case"]https://i.imgur.com/sNrS9bd.jpg?1[/IMG]

Pencil case crop, focus was on this rose, P40 Pro is unsharp

[IMG="Pencil case crop"]https://i.imgur.com/IhKiedn.jpg?1[/IMG]

Plant

[IMG="Plant"]https://i.imgur.com/DZNmLdQ.jpg?1[/IMG]

Plant crop, P40 Pro unsharp

[IMG="Plant crop"]https://i.imgur.com/pw0C1dW.jpg?1[/IMG]

If I did something completely wrong, please tell me. Otherwise I am very disappointed with the P40 Pro quality.
[Huawei P40 Pro Real Life Review] arsenal74:
A lot of those look to be depth of field related, the P40 has a larger physical sensor so a shallower depth of field.
[Huawei P40 Pro Real Life Review] Lazerr:
They told me it was a feature. I bet OIS not working in RAW is also a feature.
[Huawei P40 Pro Real Life Review] photo?photo!:
In the specification - the characteristics of the sold product, when mentioning the wide-angle module, it is indicated not 10MP, but 40MP.

If Huavei cannot (or does not want) to provide the output of the matrix of the wide-angle module of the finished image at 40MP, then 40MP should not be specified in the specification, but 10MP should be specified.

This does not correspond to the officially declared characteristics when sold. Fraud.

And on this basis, you can return the goods and get your money - it's legal.

Or you need to demand that Huavei get rid of this error in the next firmware - provide 40MP from wide-angle module - both in jpg and in RAW.
[Huawei P40 Pro Real Life Review] Lazerr:
You are free to contact Huawei and convince them to give us 40 MP. If have already asked them for it. The more people, the better.

Legally they should be safe because of a footnote mentioning that photo resolution can differ from what is advertised.
[Huawei P40 Pro Real Life Review] BikeHelmet:
You are on the old buggy software version. v121 - there were fixes for the purple tint in the 130's. One benefit of the old software is it was easier to get GMS working on it... but if you're happy with the amount of Google services on the phone, upgrade to the latest and report back on how much better the camera is.