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[Windows Mobile Software Development] stpete111:
The money is going to AT&T, not Pandora. AT&T charges the additional amount because they are greedy, money-hungry a-holes who justify the fee b/c of the "heavy data usage" that comes from using the app. Same reason why they charge a monthly fee for XM on top of the monthly fee you already pay for an XM account. Even though they are making a huge profit on the unlimited data plan they've already charged you, they want to make sure that margin remains huge. To do this, they are charging additional data fees in the form of a "$8 per month Pandora fee" so they don't have their data profits eaten into by anyone who uses Pandora excessively.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] seanatki@gmail.com:
I don't follow your logic. ATT doesn't charge iPhone users for using the Pandora app, so why would they charge WM users? I think the real culprit here is Pandora, who saw a big oppurtunity to expand its cache by writing an app for the iPhone (for free) and yet couldn't care less about WM phones, even though there are far more WM users out there. WM just doesn't have the sex appeal of the iPhone. Statements made by Pandora confirm this sentiment.

The $8 a month sucks, and if this is the method Pandora is using to reach out to WM users, I imagine we'll never see a free app.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] yzf750:
I agree with everyone else. I pay for "unlimited data" with my ATT plan, heck I pay more for my ATT cell data plan then I do my broadband internet connection at home a month. Yet ATT nickles and dimes you on every program that should be free on a cell phone. I have Lastfm on my PPC now which is free, whats the difference between that and Pandora, other then att, apple and pandora all sleeping together it seems. Pandora had to have had a say in it also (att's fees) since its using there services also. You cant offer a program using someones service, and charge for it without there ok.

As far as XM, you can bypass ATT anyway and just use IE to go to XMs streaming webpage for mobiles.

Give it a few weeks and I suppose it will pop up (the modified version) elsewhere anyways :)
[Windows Mobile Software Development] stpete111:
The Iphone unlimited data plan is already $10 more than the cheapest unlimited data plan for WinMo smartphones. Such a premium is already built-in.

Regardless of whether the logic makes sense, I can promise you this is ATT's charge, and not Pandora's. Why would Pandora care what kind of phone you're using their service on??
[Windows Mobile Software Development] stpete111:
Exactly. I'm guessing it will be exactly the same thing as the unlimited use XM thing that someone here came up with. It was a matter of erasing one file each time you exited and the trial clock was reset. They wrote a script to automatically do it.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] yzf750:
How is that built in?

My ATT PDA data plan is 39.99, 10 bucks more I pay a month on a WM device for unlimited data then an Iphone user does right now (30). So it should be the Iphone users paying for Pandora instead and free for the higher WM pda plans . Speaking of other phones, you can stream pandora on even cheaper data plans FOR FREE on ATT since some of the dumb phones offer pandora as a java app(Free). Real fair huh.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] stpete111:
Right on...
[Windows Mobile Software Development] sosloe:
So is anybody working on some kind of workaround for this...? Does anybody have the cab installer for the incite version they can upload, I havent run across it yet anywhere :confused:

Can anyone help find the new address for the actual swf file... the old link is not working anymore :(

https://www.pandora.com/radio/tuner_8_6_0_0_pandora.swf
[Windows Mobile Software Development] webguy05:
Here you go, https://www.pandora.com/radio/tuner_8_7_0_0_pandora.swf
[Windows Mobile Software Development] jhw549:
So is this it? Is it game over (for now atleast)?
[Windows Mobile Software Development] methosmacleod:
Last Radio. Work Flawlessly.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] jhw549:
What are you talking about?
[Windows Mobile Software Development] .:T8:.:
Just some info...

Hello.

Pandora, I must say, is an extremely tough cookie. I enjoy "toying" with web applications in my spare time, and I admit Pandora is on my list of try-and-fails. I used Trillix as my decompiler. I received 4 decompilation errors all pertaining to failure to decode loop statements in the swf. Obfuscation would not cause an error like this, and some of the ActionScript decompiled correctly (rejecting the possibility of AS encryption). I then tried with SoThink, which still resulted in an invalid fla that was obviously incomplete and had arbitrary characters in the ActionScript. I also used ActionScript viewer in a last attempt to find information, which yielded several errors including decompression failure and irrelevant bytes.

I have come to the conclusion that they guys and gals over at Pandora are most likely Hex editing (yes, you cad do that with swf's) the radio swf in a way that prevents accurate decompilation. I could be wrong, but that seems most logical.

For more information on the subject of Flash decompilation:

http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10878_11-5111586.html

Feel free to email any questions, comments, or concerns to teight [[at]] rocketmail [[dot]] com.

Hopefully I helped someone with this post.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] jake1147:
Pandora demo cab file

I downloaded the Pandora demo today on my Fuze - here's the file from pandora.com/att.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] seanatki@gmail.com:
I tried the .cab on my Sprint Mogul (Titan) and it will not connect. I imagine that until we create some kind of unlocked version of the program that it will only work on ATT's network.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] stpete111:
Works great on my Diamond with AT&T. Can't wait for someone to figure out how to un-trialize it. (It's going to be a little more difficult than the MobiTV/XM hack since there are no other files in the folder besides the executable).
[Windows Mobile Software Development] yzf750:
Working on my Fuze also
[Windows Mobile Software Development] jug6ernaut:
Question to thoughs who got it working, im guessing you are using an AT&T connection to get it to work?
[Windows Mobile Software Development] buggybug0:
through wifi? or data? I only need to listen to pandora when i'm at home or school studying (ie. places with wifi). saves me the data plan fees
[Windows Mobile Software Development] Keland44:
thanks for the cab

i'm using att with a Wizard and it's not great for a qvga phone but it seems to work and connect pretty fast
[Windows Mobile Software Development] alabij:
The Pandora cab is available on the EPIX. I had the Epix for a month and it had the Pandora software installed. Any active EPIX owners showuld have access to the cab too.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] yzf750:
Is it a trial on the Epix also?

Anyone unistalled it yet and resinstalled it after the 1 day trial or hard reseted and installed it to see if it works again. If it works after it should jus be a matter of finding the file or registry entry it leaves. Or is it going though ATT somehow and they disable it after a day.

Either way it shows how Pandora is lying about how it would be so hard to cover the WM platform with software. I remember seeing a public letter that explained that as there reason for not making a WM client (too many WM devices). So far this works on a tilt, wizard, fuze and diamond with no problem.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] dyetheskin:
the cab file install on my kaiser,it works for windows mobile but it's still limited to which devices it supports since it won't connect at all and launches IE telling me my device isn't supported.I agree this should be freeware since there's other programs we use that's freeware which actually eats bandwith more than anything compared to pandora which should be at&t's last worry
[Windows Mobile Software Development] MyNarwhalBacon:
I installed it on my Tilt/Kasier. I'm running WM.6.1 on the AT&T Network US. It ran fine, the graphics were a little large and I couldn't find the options tab. I was able to see album art which was in the wrong place, and I was able to switch songs and it sounded great. I would get a pic but there is a problem with it right now and pandora is down when i went back to take a screeny.

Email They Sent

They sent me an email immediately after signing up... making it sound as if there is more updates, versions to come....

tim.westergren@pandora.com

Maybe we can gripe there to get something done?
[Windows Mobile Software Development] methosmacleod:
Last Radio. The Last FM Client. If people want pandora, this works just as well and works on most/if not all WM devices
[Windows Mobile Software Development] jug6ernaut:
u got a cab?
[Windows Mobile Software Development] !Kernel Panic!:
also works on Hermes...with ATT...where does it say it's only a Trial?...I had no pop-ups stating 1day trial like XM does.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] uniqueboy:
Since I live in the UK I can't use this service it seems, but I don't see what the fuss is about when I have Last.FM running on Skyfire now anyway. It seems to be a similar service and is completely free.:)
[Windows Mobile Software Development] !Kernel Panic!:
check here:

http://apps.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/pocketscrobbler/index.php?title=How_to_download_and_install_Pocket_Scrobbler_on_your_device

Compatible player on Pocket PC:

* Windows Media Player 10 Mobile (on Windows Mobile 5 or later)

* TCPMP (with modifications)

* MortPlayer (v3.31 b69 [RC8.1] or later)
[Windows Mobile Software Development] jug6ernaut:
thank you much
[Windows Mobile Software Development] bigwill3:
the fuss, for me anyway, is that windows mobile is all about options, and I am being denied an option. also, it stings when iArrogance points to pandora as the one thing they have over us
[Windows Mobile Software Development] Brent212:
I don't understand how you can use that since the audio stops when the screen shuts off. I prefer last.fm to pandora, and was excited when I found out it works on skyfire, but then I realized that anything in skyfire will halt whenever the screen turns off.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] sosloe:
Doesnt seem to work with T-mobile... booooo :(
[Windows Mobile Software Development] !Kernel Panic!:
no problem....

on a side note...does anyone know how i can configure my connection to only use 'over the air' service when in active sync. It seems whenever I use this Pandora app or the Last.fm app when I'm in active sync mode the phone disconnects from media-net....thus trying to stream via USB which when at work isn't allowed by 'Websense'
[Windows Mobile Software Development] uniqueboy:
You'r right about the screen, when I off my screen when skyfire is running using psShutXP it just comes straight back on. Maybe another screen lock/off app will do it. I think it is also possible to fix the registry so that just hitting the power button will do the trick.:)
[Windows Mobile Software Development] stpete111:
The interface of the Pandora app is slick and fast, and a bit more convenient than trying to use it in a browser being rendered for a small screen, IMO. Also, the sound quality of any audio being streamed over Skyfire still leaves a lot to be desired. It's definitely NOT the same audio quality that you hear if you use a true desktop.

However, I surely will NOT be paying 8 bucks a month to AT&T for this when I can use Last FM with Skyfire for free, with only a little loss of speed and convenience.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] stpete111:
This app has a long way to go, IMO. Extremely limited in its functions, compared to the desktop experience. Who knows, maybe that's what people want in a Pocket PC app. Not me.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] MyNarwhalBacon:
I agree it still needs a lot to offer. It sounds great so far, and i don't remember it saying it needs a subsription. The GUI needs to be updated to the quality of the IClod but at least i have it, even if it's a little helter skelter.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] Brent212:
I couldn't even figure out how to really use it. I could listen to songs, but I couldn't give them the ol "thumbs up" or "thumbs down". I also haven't figured out what "scrobbling" is.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] MyNarwhalBacon:
Does it look anything like my screenshots?
[Windows Mobile Software Development] uniqueboy:
There is some talk of some dedicated last.fm software being developed for wm on their website, I hope they do it.:)

Edit: just found this, gonna try it now!:D Did not work:(

But i also found Pocket Scrobbler last.fm client, which I am trying now.:)

OK Pocket Scrobbler works great so far, it is FREE, Last.fm is Free, the streaming sound quality is better than in skyfire and I can turn off the screen! little bit of buffering going on but I think I can live with that, you guys should give this a try.

See what happens when you just leave a page open doh.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] !Kernel Panic!:
works for me..looks similar to Pandora with very little settings....attached screen cap...

Pocket Scrobbler is what I posted above.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] sparhawk6:
Pocket Scrobbler in its current form is not functional. The radio has a difficult time transcoding the streamed music, so it stutters constantly.

However, they have been promising a brand new radio (that doesn't stutter) for a long time now. A recent posting by a developer says that its release is imminent. And unlike currently solutions for Pandora, it won't cost you a dime.

I am looking forward to it. They have been delaying this next release for a while, but I have a feeling it will be released in the next few weeks.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] !Kernel Panic!:
When 3G is available I really don't have a problem with the streaming...not until I enter an area with only Edge..then the radio starts to break up.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] stpete111:
Scrobbling is basically where the Last FM site "listens" to your local music (i.e on your harddrive) and tries to hone in on your musical tastes based on that. Every time you "scrobble" a song, you are letting Last FM know that you like this artist and song, and it adds the song's characteristics to your user profile. Ideally, the more music you scrobble, the better Last FM can "learn" what your musical tastes are and play music from it's radio service based on that.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] Brent212:
That works for me as well, although I can't see any options for "scrobbling", as I understand it from the last post. I can skip to the next song, but I can't do anything with the song currently playing.

Also, it stops playing once my screen turns off so again, I can't really use it. Is this just happening to me? I use slide to unlock, could that be causing it?
[Windows Mobile Software Development] !Kernel Panic!:
Pocket Scrobbler works better IMO which also allows me to create/update my stations on the go after registrating on the website www.last.fm where PocketLastFM which stutters and has very little user settings or none at all.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] Fmstrat:
What about pulling Pandora off the newly released LG Incite (WM6.1)?

http://www.pocketnow.com/index.php?a=portal_detail&t=news&id=6286
[Windows Mobile Software Development] jug6ernaut:
im pretty sure its the same the cab posted earlier
[Windows Mobile Software Development] stpete111:
Welcome to the party dude. AT&T has released it to all supported WinMo phones now.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] yzf750:
Says unsupported in "cool tools" when you try to download it for a Fuze.

It also looks like after the one day trial if you put it on your phone your out of luck. Seems to be a server check on pandoras end since it says your trials up after it gets done connecting to pandora itself. My bet is Pandora has there greedy fingers in the money bin along with ATT on this. If you read the fine print if you suscribe to it on atts end, it also gives you a Pandora paid account directly via a regular computer access also.

I tryed setting the date back, running a backup on my fuze of before I installed pandora and then installing it, it still says trial over anyway i try it. I refuse to pay for something thats free to everyone else (dumbphones, iphones, regular web users) out of principle. Looks like LastFM is going back on my Fuze. At least till someone finds a work around.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] chavonbravo:
If it's released for all WM at&t phones, can someone post up a qvga version, from say an 8125/8525/8925.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] cbass:
I go to the cool tools section of their HORRIBLE website... and it's not available for the tilt in 6.0 or 6.1... or the wizard, or the herpes, or the touch pro... I hate this company sometimes.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] Travis997:
Just letting everyone know. There is a service called nuTsie and what you do is upload your iTunes library .xml file to their website. Then you can listen to your whole iTunes library and even your iTunes playlists on their website or on your phone. What's so great about it is that instead of spending a sh*tload of time uploading your files their website reads all your songs and just finds them on their servers and that's what you listen to. So you don't even have to keep your PC on for streaming your iTunes library. If you want to download the app unfortunately it costs $20 at handmark. Oh and if you put your device as HTC Touch like I have you can't download it because it says it's incompatible so you need to select HTC Diamond as your device to download. And you can listen to other people's libraries/playlists also. And don't go looking for a cracked version or a CAB because I couldn't find one on this site or ipmart-forum.com or even google.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] phaze1:
Pandora Works 8925 AT&T Tilt

Works fine on my Tilt phone....of course the display is a little jacked as it cuts off some of the words on some of the menus and hides my sip but otherwise pretty good, I am able to log in, manage my account, n best of all, play the music. Tnx 4 the cab.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] stpete111:
Definitely agree with you here. And one thing I have discovered is that if you do subscribe (I have not done this yet) you are prompted to download a new cab. Not sure if this means there is one registered version, or if your subscription details are hardcoded into the cab before you download it. In any case, f**k this 9 bucks a month BS. It's not THAT cool of a service anyway.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] sparhawk6:
Thanks Travis. Interesting service.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] Travis997:
Yea and just saying if you do decide to use nutsie then you need to make a playlist with your whole library in it because I haven't found a way to view all your songs yet.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] bedwa:
The only way to get a cab of pandora for WM is someone with a compatible phone downloading the main cab (even if it's subscribing for a day then canceling through att.com/db) and dumping it. I still have my subscription for when I used to use an LG CU400 and on occasion still use a Motorola V3xx. I'm eagerly awaiting the full dump of the non-trial version for this. It's good to see you guys working on this in my absence. Looks like you got further than I ever could... :)
[Windows Mobile Software Development] pjsnyc:
This worked for me - http://www.everythingq.com/forum/software/pandora-942-4.html#post272051
[Windows Mobile Software Development] cbass:
wow. works in qvga.

EPIC WIN. cab posted here for ease of download.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] DodgeV83:
Works on the Sprint Touch Pro

If you define "works" by what sounds like a 32k bitrate wma stream that constantly has to reconnect even though I have multiple bars in EVDO mode.

I've resorted to using my Dell mini 9 (really small laptop) in tethering mode to get Pandora in the car, YES I LOVE PANDORA THAT MUCH! Unfortunately this app is not going to replace my current setup :(

But a step in the right direction!
[Windows Mobile Software Development] smotrs:
Too bad it's so freaking small. Oh, and with the head phones, it sounds much better.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] DodgeV83:
I'm using headphones. Switching between the MP3s on my card, to Pandora...well there really is no comparison. My all-time favorite song came on Pandora and I had to turn it off the quality was so bad.

I'm not worried, it's an easy fix. I just hope the ATT users who pay for this service are getting better quality!

Edit: Pandora on the computer sounds great, I'm sure this will be fixed.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] smotrs:
I didn't mean to imply that it sounded perfect on the head phones, just better then what comes out of the phone speaker. :) But yeah, should be an easy fix, same with the sizing. It actually looks like the font sizing and controls might be set for QVGA though the software does fill the VGA screen nicely.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] pjsnyc:
Has anyone figured out how to fix the font size for vga devices? I took a peek in the registry, but couldn't find anything...
[Windows Mobile Software Development] drellisdee:
Looks like you need a hardware KB to type in for your account creation and the vogue has none. Can someone pull the registry keys that contain user/password with their own removed so I can try to get on that way.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] dsaem:
Pandora works great on my HTC Touch Pro Unlock from HTC. It is only day one but if it works tomorrow and the next day I'll update it. Currently I'm using it on Wi-Fi since I do not have the data plan. I'm also using T-Mobile. I'll try to get the T-Zones $5.00 Month data plan and see if it works. I hope this helps people out. I just installed the pandora.cab (776.1KB). The Only problem I'm having is that nothing is in the right spot on the screen.

I was wondering if anyone knows of some hot keys to turn up the volume. I got the "Next" and change station button figured out.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] pjsnyc:
I was having that problem too. The way I got around that limitation was to activate the on screen keyboard BEFORE you launch the pandora app. Try it and see if it works for you. I'm using TouchPal (not stock keyboard).
[Windows Mobile Software Development] tricsio:
Except for the app launch (page) image, the CAB works great on the kaiser
[Windows Mobile Software Development] dannzeman:
I'm having a problem getting sound to come out of my 800w. All the controls work fine, the keyboard, the 5-way except for down, but everything works good and looks good. I can go to the next song, give it a thumbs up or down but just can't get any sound to come out of the speaker or when I'm using headphones. Anyone got any ideas? Would really appreciate some help.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] brsev:
The CAB works perfectly on my Vogue, as long as you activate the keyboard first. Hopefully it's not a limited trial. Sound quality is surprisingly good with only one bar of EV-DO. Thanks!

While the start-up image is cut off, it otherwise seems made for QVGA.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] dannzeman:
Turns out Pandora was working fine on my 800w. I fired it up again a few minutes ago and didn't press anything and just let it play. I could hear it now through the spearker. I found out that if I press down on the 5-way it lowers the volume but couldn't find a way to increase it after I lowered it. The system volume was turned up all the way too.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] abrigham:
This is fantastic! I have this working (so far) on both my HTC Titan, and my wife's MotoQ, both on Sprint. As others have said, the startup splash is cut off on my Titan (unless I'm in landscape mode) but otherwise the actual interface looks great and works very well. Sound quality is decent. It also looks and sounds great on my wife's Q (actually sounds a little better on her Q, at lease when going thru the speaker - the one thing I miss about using that phone myself is the good quality speaker).