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[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] KukurikU:
i though you wanted a phone (it's in the title), not a mp3 player..change the title accordingly and yes, very useful thread! never heard of battery life problem.......interesting... keep them coming!

share with us yr wisdom!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] yegor:
Keep your elitist **** to your self, pidoras.

That was an example of the poor performance of the phone. My Trinity could do 4 hours, and it wouldn't even drain he phone that much.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Riel:
It's just not performing poor.

Just installed HTC's own new 1.37 rom ... and see, it's a almost full functional device!

Fast, no lags (it's not a 3300 nokia!!) lots of usability, navigating, mailing, exchange, foto's, sound, browsing, the whole bunch in my pocket.

A lot of these topics, but I am glad i bought one :)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] jkr284:
I must say battery life is very poor in music playback with set of stereo bluetooth hedphones, i get about 3 hrs max just using music and no phone calling etc. it seems to me that when the battery gets to the last 2 bars it doesnt last long at all. im on the latest rom, phone calling/sat nav and surfing via 3g doesnt seem to be that much of a problem to me battery wise. Ill be picking up the extended battery, i wouldnt swap this phone for any other though!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Flexer:
Just had a nice time reporting you (c)

Besides, he was right.. The phone is not as bad as you said, the things you said just prove that you don't know how to use it to it's potential, that's all...

Yes, I don't own a Diamond (waiting for the Pro), but from what I can see on this forum, for each 10 whining people, there are 50 or more who love the phone after tweaking it for themselves..

The topics like this are pretty much useless, as the only thing they contain is whining, but don't actually give anything useful :)

My regards..

P.S. You are russian, aren't you?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Cendaryn:
This is the best phone I ever used :)

With the reg tweaks here from the wiki the battery lasts about 2 days - I can live with that (remembering my "old" PDAs where battery lasts not a half day *ggg*). We wanted it full featured and slim - so we habe to live with this "battery issue".

But I ordered the extended battry from HTC yesterday - just in case :)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Flexer:
/me cheers
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] qpop:
IMO A2DP is going to drain the battery of any phone?

Whats battery life like on core player with corded headphones?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] someone1234:
The rom that came with it (for most people) is slowwww.

A rush to get the phone out i think, but i think alot of people would have made that compramise - have the phone 3 weeks ago with a slow rom and be able to upgrade it around now.

Check the roms section you can find the official rom updates for each region there. You don't need to do any hard SPL modifications to use those, and therefore shouldnt affect your waranty. I would suggest that first.

Flaming is just pointless, and alot of people had the same thoughts at 1 point, i know i did!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] cammy3000:
I'm looking to get a Diamond and TBH find threads like this useful. I know its a Marmite kinda thing (love it or hate it) but it gives a indication of what the phone is like.

I want a Daimond and wil lsoon be getting one from Orange (£230 NON CONTRACT!!) and want as many users feelings for the phone as possible.

If he said the phone was one of the best ever made you wouldn't slate him and degrade him....so why do it otherwise???

Afterall its a Forum and peoples opinions are their own! Forums wouldn't exist otherwise!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] tomchap:
Thats a good price. If you dont mind me asking, how are you getting it for £230 Non Contract?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] rkde:
I have to say this is probably the most ocvered topic for every single HTC out there, I have had almost all production releases and everytime someone always states its the worst phone ever! truely this can't be the case.

There are phones that have been much worse and this is a PDA with lots of extras that why you pay more oh and the fact you purchased it so early. give it a chance with a newer rom.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] darthbane2k:
Where in the hell are you getting it for £230? Link please..
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] :
I'm not sure if anyone else thinks this, but i am starting to wonder if these people who come on here and say "This phone is the worst ever", "I've never used such a **** phone" are paid by someone to badmouth the diamond.

The sheer amount of them who out of nowhere make (somewhat) baseless claims the the phone is utter **** just seems odd.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] tomchap:
Good point James, altho I think that the Diamond has quite a following now. The sheer amount of new people that have popped up on XDA Devs who have never owned even a Windows Mobile before is quite alot.

I think the Diamond has just opened up the doors of Windows Mobile for everyone. Can only be a good thing for HTC.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] darthbane2k:
on Steve's payroll perhaps?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] :
http://thomashawk.com/2006/02/boing-boing-did-nvidia-hire-army-of.html

Nvidia hired people to talk praise about their GPUs and badmouth ATIs, so it's not unheard of.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Ingvarr:
Skipping aside that the person is kinda of overreacting, I would agree with all the "bad" statements (sort of buggy, slow, quite bad battery life) related to *factory* configuration.

If you polish it later yourself, you can make it a very good device. But some people find it very frustrating if they need to put the work into device just to make it perform decently.

But I think most of these issues will be resolved by HTC later anyway. Enthusiasts are just faster with it. If you want good device "out of a box", just wait for HTC to implement all the needed polishing in later batches.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] SecureGSM:
HTC Diamond is great handset. All issues so far are associated with "premature" firmware. That's to be improved over the time.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Ingvarr:
Except one with accelerometer maybe.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] SecureGSM:
what is wrong with Accelerometer ? 8(
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Ingvarr:
It goes very inaccurate on some devices, on some from the box, on some after a while. To the extent that it wont properly detect a device flip anymore. There is a big thread in this forum about this.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] markymoo:
i dont know what the whinging is about, even if its just for the pure screen quality of this device, i find it lovely to look at, and now that ive done the few tweaks listed on these forums find it a joy to use

perhaps those who find it bad / hard to use, arent very good at using it?

and with the accellerometer, yes, it should work, but its only really a kids toy feature anyway, isnt it?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] grizzley:
HOW MUCH DO YOU WANT TO SELL IT TO ME FOR?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] yegor:
maybe the "sheer amount" of people, saying that the phone sucks, has something to do with the fact that maybe it actually does suck?

Baseless claims? is the phone slow out of the box? Yes it is. Does the battery life suck out of the box? Yes it does. How's that baseless?

Ohh and "out of nowhere"? I've been registered here longer than you have.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Spawn12:
**** me sheer amount of people eh??..i can only think of a handful of people who have major problems with this phone...perhaps it was best that they didnt buy the phone. To me thats not sheer amount. People who say this phone sucks dont even bother to investigate why the phone sucks ie numerous people have said here that out of the box the phone isnt that great but once you apply the tweaks or update the rom...the phone really starts to shine.

Perhaps instead of coming here and *****ing like a girl, try updating the rom or applying some tweaks...your first post you say you havent tried any cooked roms...try using one...i suggest the TLR rom as that the fastest one out...since i updated mine with the TLR rom...i love the Diamond.

Seriously though i dont get why people feel they need to come on here and ***** like little girls. It doesnt take a ****ing geniius to figure out that most Winmo devices are rubbish...thats why places like this exist to help make the winmo experience much more satisfying. I'll be honest, this Diamond is my very first Winmo device and comapred to the Nokias and SE smartphones ive had in the past...this completely blows them out of the water...sure it has its little niggles but the way i see it is that either you live with them or you dont bother buying the device. One other thing i have to mention that even well before the device was launched this place had loads of threads about what the Diamond was like...then the first grey units starting arriving and people started talking about the things that it was missing/niggles etc etc...now seeing as you just mentioned earlier that you have been here for some time...did you not even bother to do some investigating before buying the Diamond????. I know i did and waited for the proper uk Diamond to be released...even then i still knew it had problems...but applying some tweaks then updating my rom to the TLR rom has made this device alot more enjoyable for me.

Anyways thats all i have to say, other than stop the pathetic *****ing about the phone...if you dont like it get rid of it...its simple isnt it??. MOst people here dont really care what you think to be honest and thats pretty easy to see by most of the replies etc.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] R3PUBL1K:
well said Spawn...

I think my Diamond is great compared to the trinity I have.

And to think all those people that have problematic PCs from the box don't go on forums to complain - they actually try and resolve the issues.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] smogdragon:
Pointless discussion. This is not just a phone or an mp3 player mates ... ppl wanting a phone should not buy it. I had other htc devices before and they all suffer of same problems. Each time a new one comes out, I can read the same discussions. In my opinion, those kind of devices are intendend for another audience, not for ppl that can't apply a few registry patch or upgrade to a new (official) rom. I can find indeed a lot of problems in this phone, but I can live happy with it knowing I have such a wonderful design and hardware piece and I will surely find a way (indeed this is a good way to kill spare time) to improve his performance sooner or later.

Said that, I use to investigate before buying something. Everyone should learn to behave this way ;)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Spawn12:
Thanks:), im just getting fed up of people moaning and whining about this phone. You bloody well knew that this phone had problems when it was first released...ignorance isnt an excuse especially if your a winmo device user. I had a feeling and its been proven that this phone, the Diamond will bring alot of new people to the Winmo scene and along with that...it brings people who will moan because the device isnt perfect:rolleyes:...please can someone tell me a smartphone/pda phone that is perfect out of the box??. I cant think of any to be quite honest and ive owned plenty of smartphones in the past and the ones i couldnt live with, i either sent back for a refund or did the best i could with it.

Fine some people jsut wont get on with the Diamond...at one point i was about to return it but i thought....let me try and get on with it and now i am happy with the device...i know its never going to be perfect...i was never under the impression that it was. Trust me im a complete and utter noob when it comes to Winmo devices but since ive had my Diamond...ive learnt so much from the guys here and cant thank them enough.

One thing about Winmo devices i have found is that they seem to do things in a half arsed way:p...at first it annoyed me that i couldnt do certain things that i could on my other phones....im coming from a nokia n95 8gb so it took me some time to get used to it. I tried going back to the nokia the other day and honestly....i couldnt go back to it now lol.

As for the Diamond??...at the moment ill be keeping it but im sure once the Xperia X1 comes out, ill get that and see what thats like and im pretty damn certain that will have plenty of niggles/bugs etc.

What im trying to say is that there really isnt any point in moaning about the phone...if you come on here to ***** about it...no ones going to help u but if you come on here...and ask for help then you will get the help you need. Fine have a ***** about the phone....the battery sucks, the phone gets too hot etc etc but dont leave it at that...people here arent all that interested in the *****ing but more interested in helping you sort those problems you may be having.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] pizzachips:
+ 1

This is seriously not a phone for people that aren't tech savy....

What happened to the price of 230 that i read about XD
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] firedup:
I agree with most of what you say, but why can't HTC make it work out of the box? It's not like it took people long on here to develop cooked ROMs to vastly improve its usability. Why can't they do that - THEY are the bloody phone manufacturer!!!! It's a matter of value for money for me.

I agree, some threads are pointless *****ing but we should not dismiss constructive criticism, people have a right to express their opinions good OR bad. If we pretend everything is fine then nothing will improve.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] p3eps:
If you're not confident or competent with tweaking and fiddling, then the simple answer is DON'T BUY ONE!

My Diamond lasted about 5 hours on its first go from fully charged to 1 bar of battery left (probably cause I was playing the whole time).

After a few tweaks its now at about 70% at the end of my average day with a few texts, an occassional call and about 20/30 mins of internet.

Its still not perfect, but its much closer to it than it was out of the box. Hopefully in another few weeks I'll have it just the way I like it.

I wish everyone would stop moaning about how crap the Diamond is. If they don't like it then return it or ebay it, and get something they DO like. Don't waste everyones time by re-listing the same complaints over and over again in more new threads... its BORING!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Spawn12:
Well this is my gripe with the Diamond, as i said in another thread...it seems like HTC engineers/designers fell asleep for a few months. AS for why they didnt make it work out of the box??...i dont really know to be honest...if anything its fustrating that phone manufacturers release models that are buggy as hell. One reason i have for them not making it work properly out of the box is possibly because they wanted to get it out before the new iphone is out on the market and they thought...lets just release it and then release future rom updates but im pretty sure HTC must read these forums so are happy in the knowledge that there are guys here...who will do their own roms etc.

Dont get me wrong, i dont necessarily agree with it but since phone have become more and more powerful...im finding more and more bugs with each new phone i get. But thanks to the wonders of the net, you can get help via forums that have guys who take the time and fiugure out how to solve the issues that these phones/devices have.

I just wish HTC would take more time to quality test their products before releasing them but then i guess money means more to them than customer satisfaction. I'll say this much though, if it wasnt for XDA i would never considered the Diamond in the first place...fact of the matter is that it took me nearly 3 weeks to finally decide whether to get one or not and thats due to this place and my investigating etc.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] OffBeatMammal:
I guess we just gotta hope HTC release an updated ROM with all the tweaked from here incorporated pretty soon ;)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Spawn12:
Wouldnt hold your breath to be honest, HTC havent even released a new updated rom for the UK region whereas other regions have got them. Well it was on their website but was pulled for some odd reason.

As for them adding tweaks??...well i still dont understand why they cant do it themselves rather than using XDA to make their products better...not saying its a bad thing.

Im running the TLR rom myself and it already has the main tweaks added to it so no tweaks need to be done. At the moment im riunning version 1 of his rom but tonight im flashing to the version 2.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Riel:
Really enjoyed the phone just yet. Have been watching some music clips with that neat youtube-app, enjoying some golden oldies. I think for about a big hour. Earphones connected, so on 90% battery I started.

Expected it to run dead before id get tired... but it didn,t. Its keeping me warm though :)

well, got 44% batt left to make this post.

nite!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] JanDaMan:
you HAVE to update your ROM to one of the cooked 1.37 ROMS, otherwise you are entering a world of pain lol ;)

TBH i actually found my 1.35x rom quite usable, the the cooked 1.37x's are much better and faster, i recoment the new TLR 2 ROM, or an upcoming elite 2.5 rom
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] s1rl4ncel0t:
Or Bepe 0.52, which is great also!

I'm using it now, and it's hyper-fast, with tons of improvements.

HastaSSSS :)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Kraize:
OMG another useless thread! YAY! T.T

Seriously. Useless thread. Complaining is the worst. If it's slow find a way to make it faster. If you don't want to/can't, don't cry even more just return it. WinMo is obviously not for you or people that are not tech savyy. I believe that the iPhone might be good for you. I believe that WinMo is better than the iPhone in all areas except being noob friendly. If you seriously look at this forum and search, you'll find tweaks and stuff to make your experience better. Of course it's going to take time. If you don't want to spend time just return/sell it. That's all you can do. Hasn't anyone noticed that the first batch of ANY phone is buggy? Ffs people. I don't mean to put anyone down, but you should never buy the first batch of phones. Did you see the # of people that complained when they got the first iPhone?

Kraize
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] pauljohn54:
About a month ago when I brought this device I was very concerned about the negative press being thrown because it will drive down the number of owners and the less owners means less common support and development.

Back then when I signed into xda-developers you were lucky to see 3 new posts but I thought to myself this device has so much potential please don't let this be a white elephant and sure enough I signed in today to see not just 3 new posts but 3 pages of new posts. The ROM development is on track and the community is banding together. This really is a great device.

So these negative comments are irrelevant don't you think based on the sheer number of new owners and the the xda-developers and to the cooks a big thank you.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] hypermaster:
i intend using blackberry connect with the HTC Touch (Can it work ?)- Assuming it does..like my Kaiser with WM 6.1...will the battery last me 2 days?? (or even a full day??)

My Kaiser is completely Dead by 5PM in the evening (Start my day at 8AM)

I TEXT a lot & mails r important for me cause i;m out the whole day, calls r decent..not too many.

So..u think i should go in for the diamon..love the size...it felt very sluggish n the demo piece, but i;m sure with all the tweaks.. it'll b much faster...

Battery is my only concern with Emails "ALWAYS ON" mode.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Kraize:
I suggest you wait for the Touch Pro since you have had both a Touch and a Kaiser. Try it out then decide. I would rather go for the Touch Pro. Yes, Blackberry connect does work with the HTC Touch. The battery will probably last you 1.5-2days depending on your usage (how many times you text, check email, etc..). But one thing. Since the processor of the Diamond is near the bottom, it will feel very hot at the bottom of the phone. =/

Kraize
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Radix999:
The battery life of mine has improved over time I've found. Whether this is totally due to the newer rom updates or whether it's just the battery getting a workout. I'm now only needing to charge mine every few days really.

My usage of it has changed too though - I'm not madly trying every feature out whenever I can, I'm just using it like I normally would - to answer a few calls, read my ebooks on the train, and send txt msgs every now and then.

I don't use much data stuff though (too expensive here in Aus still), and I use wifi/bluetooth rarely - my heaviest use is probably a couple of hours a day reading ebooks on the screen in MSReader.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Riel:
I have Data and BT (for carkit) connected every time. Must synchronize with 2 places (work and home) and does so all day long.

Call a lot and send some messages and email, take a few snaps and browse the net. All goed perfectly solid ánd battery lasts with ease.

Really, I have no reason to say it is a bad phone :p Well maybe just the thing that I can't use earphones ánd the charger at the same time to watch some videos in bed :p
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Harts@J:
There is a solution for you from Brodit:

- The holder with 3-in-1 adapter is the choice for you who want to connect a headset to your device while charging it. You can also connect the device to your stereo AUX input in order to play MP3-files.

1. http://www.brodit.com/productinformation.jsp?anr=945011&sortiment=null or

2. http://www.brodit.com/productinformation.jsp?anr=945010&sortiment=null

:cool:
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] hypermaster:
The pieces available here in India (Mumbai) all come with 900 mAh battery and not 1350 mAh...

My TyTn II had a 1350 mAh battery & it used to be dead by 5pm or so... but the days i turned off my Blackberry connect, it was fine till maybe 8-9pm also.

But then again, the Diamond has a diferent ROM.

I guess there's no otehr way of finding out except for trying it out myself. :)

I would love to wait for the PRO actually, but when one itches for a new phone... u just gotta have it...dont u??? :) :)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] czbird:
Well, for some of us, none of the patching stuff just helped... not always is it the owner who is lame and faulty, it really can also be the device, believe me... ;)

( happy diamond ex-owner :-) )
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Flexer:
Sure there are other situations :)

1) The owner just doesn't know how to use a WM.. There are a lot of these in here lately )

2) You have massive expectations that border with infinity and insanity ;)

3) The owner it faulty :P

4) It might be the case that your device is actually faulty.. Hmm.. Ask for a replacement and don't buy from eBay? :P (jokingly)

I can see the truth in your words, but there are just too many people that expect everyone to do everything for them, and so they don't even try searching a bit :(

It's plain annoying (
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] cammy3000:
As requested...a link for a £230 Diamond.

£230 Diamond from Vodaphone
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] tomchap:
Roll on July 22nd! hehe :) I think thanks to this forum and of course coolsmartphone, Vodafone will get alot of new customers! ;) hehe!