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[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] suiller:
make an hard reset, so you'll start from 0, of course you'll loose all installed APPS, but ext memory (Internal Storage) will remain intact :)

anyway dear Panosha I'm making some experiments to help rom improvements... because all images (dialpad, keyboards, etc) take precious ram it is still possible to save some ram by recompressing ALL the .png files with pngcrush (search with google), I've yet done and crushing is amazing... I cut almost 30/40% of space before taken by all png under \windows dir, and there is not perceptible quality loss.

I think it is a good idea to continue investigating... for ex original dialpad is very nice (I hate that one provided by Microsoft) but it takes about 10Mb of RAM. I really think is possible to "shrink" all the stuff, imagine just with dialpad... from 10 to 6Mb... this will help a LOT!

and if I understood well... is still possible to convert ALL .bmp files in .png, the OS will accept anyway, of course they are greatly smaller.

right now I've used pngcrush.exe with this parameters: -d \whatevere -brute *.*

hope this is a good idea... :rolleyes:

bye,

davide
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] benko286:
anything alse except hard reset?

dont like hard reset,i think hardreset wont help.

please any other idea,has somebody have this problem with opera?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] geistteufel:
Nice idea, but

They is 10 mo of BMP under a rom (I took Aztor for example) and same for PNG.

So compressing all, will result in 13/14 mo, winning 6 / 7 and so ... not too much no ?

Do you try to do it on a rom ?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Sergio PC:
You dont need Schapps advanced config to remap soft keys.

You can simply do it using the regeditor.

To get back your calendar tab, change themes or use TF3D by Mr. Sascha Lange.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] suiller:
yep sure, tested right now on panosha 1.8 (just png):

I've copied from \windows all png images, then on my fast PC I've run shrinkpng for all images, then recopied back into my mobile replacing all the old ones, before shrinking total space was 6.7Mb, after 4.2Mb, and there aren't skin losses, I've checked very carefully...

I'll try tomorrow converting all bmp in shrinked png :D

If images are "lighter" they should busy less RAM, this is scientific :cool: or not?? anyway it is sure they busy less space
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] premieral:
thank you for replying to my query but i don`t want to change or install any theme i like the icons with panosha rom so this way wont help, any other work arounds i can use? the calendar tab must still be somewhere i am assuming advanced config just replaces it, please somebody help :o oh and bear in mind please that i a complete idiot and have no technical knowledge :D
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] panosha:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=405749

I continue without problems with the pagepool in 0 (auto). :)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] tiwas2:
Has this one been signed, or do I need the dev SPL?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Blazeitup123:
its unsigned. use Unsigned-Hard-SPL-Diamond-OliNex
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] tiwas2:
Cool, thanks! Now I just need to get the darned SPL to get onto my phone... :S
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] suiller:
hi Panosha,

I've completed that test about re-compressing images, my results are very impressive.

I've re-compressed ALL png under \windows with pngcrush (without losses)

then I've re-processed ALL bmp (always under \windows) with a tool called ImageConverter (loosing a bit of quality but really imperceptible).

I've not processed gif files because they can't be reduced due to loss quality.

After finished total image size was reduced (average) of 30/40%, many bmp were "heavy" more than 300k now they are near to 200k.

You can download the zip containing all the re-processed images here:

http://ficca.bounceme.net/download/test.img.zip

I think this kind of test is becaming interesting... even if we can't replace all images results are encouraging, also because we can save some space and above all some rom, and remember that big numbers are made by small ones :)

For ALL that want try to install these re-compressed images I suggest strongly to make a backup of their png and bmp under \windows dir before proceed, and to make every massive copy with resco explorer or total commander.

bye,

davide
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] panosha:
Hey Davide, these images are 10.7 MB. What is the original files size ?

Thanks. :)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] suiller:
before I've calculated 14.6Mb... about 40% more, just copy all png, jpg & bmp from your \windows dir and compare the total amount diff to have a precise number

anyway the diff is more evident between big images, for ex dialpad, incoming call, message, etc...

if you need I can make an hard reset and remake all the job and provide two zip files, 1st with original images and the 2nd one with recompressed images

I stay tuned for further instructions ;)

PS: I'm working also on cutting "empty" space in default wav files, in fact all the default sounds have some 1 or 2 seconds of empty "sound" before the real sound begins ... we can save some speed also here! I've made this experiment: when you receive an sms 1st you see the notification, then you hear the sound, this because the wma file aren't optimized, so I changed default sms sound (wma) with the same sound but in wav, after truncating empty "sound" in the wav we can have a sound file with size similar compared to wma but because wav files are uncompressed they are a lot faster respect wma, in fact after making this change there is no lag between the visual effect and the sound, the sound comes out soon as the sms arrives, together with the visual notification. If you think it is a good idea I can provide for you clean wav files, and I can drive you into the sound notification queue in the registry.

bye,

davide
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Shubbis:
Dude, I'm loving your work and enthusiasm on this :) I'm gonna try those images right away.

And of course thanks to Panosha for this awesome ROM.

I was wondering if anyone knows if there is a setting for page pool somewhere in the OS ? or does it have to be set in the ROM before installing.

If it has to be done in the ROM before installing, then a restore with Sprite shouldnt affect it .. right?

I mean, if i backup all my stuff, then patch the ROM with pagepool 16, install the new ROM and then run a restore of all my apps, settings etc. That would work?

Any help appreciated! ;)

And btw. Panosha, I dont know if you care about this, but I'm actually having more success with a higher set pagepool. Just FYI. :)

-Shub
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] panosha:
@ Shubbis

Does not exist pagepool setting in OS. Set the pagepool with pagepool changer, flash and restore from backup file.

I propose pagepool size 12 MB. :)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Blazeitup123:
wow, these compression techniques and optimizing sound files looks very promising! :)

i'm loving 1.8 great work panosha.

may i suggest the updated calendar with active icons as well as in new home icon in the next version? the imac on a wm device does not compute :)

thanks alot!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Sergio PC:
Sir Panosha:

Why do you say 12MB PP?

I thought you were using 0MB PP and all was good?

Im using 0mb PP and the jewel is running amazing! (3days now)

What are your thought on this Sir?

Thanks:)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] salada2k:
After a while I have noticed some issues with 0MB page pool, the device eventually begins to slow and I was using almost 90% RAM with no apps running.

0MB is okay if you don't mind soft resetting every day but if that's not your thing I think the Page Pool needs to be fixed at a specific value..

The question is: What is the perfect value for the amount of RAM the diamond has?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] timn2087:
I have heard 0mb PP referred to as "dynamic pagepool", implying that the Diamond will automatically adjust the pagepool size as required. Perhaps it eventually uses up all the free RAM, but could this be caused by memory leak(s)? As shouldn't it adjust the RAM back down after the programs have been fully closed? I'm interested in all your thoughts on this... :)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] panosha:
My proposal for 12MB pagepool is a solution that covers with stability most users. Personally I use 0 MB (automatic) pagepool for better speed, with no problems.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] suiller:
reading from eten forum, all last eten mobiles have a default PP of 8Mb, before they had 12Mb and 16Mb

I think that higher values can give better performance on a long running uptime, on the other side in order to have a high PP the mobile must have high ram on board

correct me if I'm wrong but default diamont's ROMs PP is setup at 6Mb

PS 4 Panosha: I'm coming (spying ;) ) from an Omnia forum, and also here I've seen that is possibile to import new video driver from that platform, have you yet installed/tested that driver??

bye,

davide
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] jeromenism:
isnt 12mb PP the default pagepool for diamond?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] salada2k:
That's how I understand it too. But does dynamic mean it will shrink when needed, or does that mean it will just grow as needed? And keep growing? My experience is the latter! I've never seen 90% RAM usage until I used 0MB page pool.

There must be a sweet spot though... Or maybe it comes down to how you use your device? I guess this one will take a while to field test at different values.. Unless someone can explain more to make an educated decision.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] panosha:
I did not see with this driver any improvement, I think no need for better drivers.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] suiller:
OK, but just for curiosity, I'll make an hard reset and I'll run a benchmark :)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] geistteufel:
Hi,

it's possible to recook panosha rom with compressed img and make a benchmark ?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] suiller:
you can just replace images under \windows dir with a decent file explorer like total commander, then reboot and you are ready to make some tests

ps: make 1st a backup :)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] akil3x:
I hope next ROM (1.9) came with this news :)

Great work PAnosha
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] geistteufel:
well but in this case the bmp / png is not in ROM file, so it's not the same think that having them in ROM and Internal Memory (I think)

So, the good way is to cook it under the rom and try it,

before note first boot ram use, move with certain application (that use icon and bmp :)), not the ram use ...

do the same for compressed version

compare visually the speed improvement ...

So, it take a long time to do :) 2 hours :) lol
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] panosha:
My manila icon packs

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=427914
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] fyew-jit-tiv:
Panosha going to flash my girls diamond with 1.8... she wants to backup her sms messages but she has no tools on the phone... any ideas...?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] seatone:
Hi there :)

Try dotfred's PIMbackup

http://www.dotfred.net/PIM/PPCPimBackupV2.8_wm2005.zip
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] panosha:
No, default is 6 MB.

I don't think we have any differences with theese icons. Maybe 4-5 MB more space.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] suiller:
it's not just a space issue, my target is not to preserve more space... slim images mean faster load (more speed) and less ram used, it is really noticeable for ex just substituting phone dialskin, it comes up faster, it's not a rocket of course, but it is visible, so changing all images (calc skin, buttons etc...) could provide some more speedy :)

I'm still making some experiments, because I'm trying to recompress images making particular attention to not loose quality, by recompressing I mean also removing all the descriptions inside the images (author, creation date, copyright, etc...), it is incredible how many unuseful info live inside images, on small images, let's say less than 10k, can take 2/3k!!

PS: I'm manipulating also GIF ones

bye,

davide
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] panosha:
Shine On 1.9 Updated: 19/09/08

2 versions with pagepool 0 and 12 ΜΒ. Start from the first.

Manila Today icons [NEW]

Answer Key Disabler v0.3.1 [NEW]

Diamond TF3D 0.6.7 [IN]

GPS Test [IN]

Modaco NoData [IN]

G-Sensor Calibrator [OUT]

Dots Game [OUT]

HTC Voice Recorder [OUT]

Long Press End Key [OUT]

G-Sensor Calibrator [OUT]
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Sergio PC:
Thanks Panosha.:D

Flashing to 1.9 0mgb PP ASAP. (holiday in the country I live so free flashing time)

The only thing that I dont agree with is Long End Key Lock (i use it a lot)

Is there any way I can enable it?

Once again thank you very very much Sir.:)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Blazeitup123:
is there color in 1.9 icons or B&W?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] itsallsubliminal:
i'm using sprint, is there anything in this rom that will hurt if i run customizations?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] patterns:
wow another one!!???

Panosha can i ask -

is there a way to change the today theme to green like 1.6??

what is difference with pagepool 0mb and 12mb? what is this?

thanks
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] dimisxxx:
Congratulations Again...

Mpravo Pano Congratulations for your another release i will just install it now but could you explain to us as i see that are others that ask what to expect from 0m pp and 12 m pp????????????????:)

Congratulations again.......
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] benko286:
only what i doesent like i that is gsen out, but i will install it extra(hope no crashing in lanscape)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] dta1974:
Here you are guys an explanation of what more/less pagepool means.

http://www.etenblog.com/2008/01/14/change-your-page-pool-size/
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] htctdual:
panosha, we all loved the blue theme in 1.8. Why did you remove that in 1.9?

Also the following are very usefull apps and retaining it would be much useful.

1. Long Press End Key

You can ignore the following. since these can be installed through cabs.

1. HTC Voice Recorder

2. Dots Game

3. Modaco NoData

4. GPS Test

5. G-Sensor Calibrator
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] panosha:
Second one.

About pagepool size, please read the previous pages. :)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Blazeitup123:
long press end key still locks the device for me in 1.9 so im happy :)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] akil3x:
Another Rom :) great

I read a lot about this page pool, but in your opinion what is the best : 0mb or 12mb , I trust you :)

If more people want too tell what´s the better I appreciate :)

Thanks
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] fyew-jit-tiv:
Panosha wished you said you had 1.9 coming.. just finished flashing girls phone with 1.8....:rolleyes:
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] fyew-jit-tiv:
what is the advantage of having 0 PP...? not to clever on this subject so maybe someone can educate me... thanks
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] dta1974:
I don't know if I am 100% right but I think the less pagepool the bigger amount of free ram.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] fyew-jit-tiv:
so your saying if you take a selected amount of ram it turns into a cache...(pp)....?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] adwiel2:
Is there also somehow a relation with where you are installing programs?

In the 'device' or in 'internal memory'?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] losdrivare:
Just read a couple of pages back in this thread. Or search.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] eldub2000:
Can someone confirm/deny that user customization is in this ROM? Trying to figure out if there is an error in my sdconfig file or if I am trying in vain.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] davey33:
1.9

been running 1.8 for a while thought i would try 1.9 let ya know how its going in a day or two :)

Phones: Orange HTC Touch Diamond

Rom: 1.93.831.1 WWE

Rom Date : 19/09/08.

Radio: 1.20 OliNex.

Ext Rom : panosha_Shine_On_1.9

HSPL : 1.40 OliNex.

Diamond SIM/CID/Security Unlocker.

Orange SPV M3100

Rom : CRC's r13.0

Rom Date : 02/09/08.

Radio : 1.56.70.11

HSPL : 1.40 Olipro.

Hermes SIM/CID/Security Unlocker.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] panosha:
UK is not in this ROM.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] eldub2000:
I'm sure you can imagine the follow-up question :)

Any chance?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] salada2k:
Hi Panosha,

What is different (apart from the icons) from 1.8 to 1.9?

Thanks for another release mate, please keep them coming! :D
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] dimisxxx:
A fast question please...

This question is for Panosha but also whoever can answer....I have install the 0mb pp version I have install all my programs and i have make a backup with the sprite backup CAN I install the 12mb pp version and restore my backup??????? I THINK THAT ONLY PANOSHA CAN ANSWER..............SO PANO CAN I DO THAT?????? I dont have problems with the 0 version but somehow its not feel stable:o i dont know i will keep it one more day to check it but u know eventually i get 70 % and when boot the phone i start with 56% when before i was booting and it was 51%:cool: So LET's see...........
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] guythomaz:
If you think only Panosha can answer you, then i shouldnt answer.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] dimisxxx:
Please............Answer ............me

Come on my friend i say that because he develop the rom so i thought that he knows if you know tell me please........:o
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Shubbis:
Yes you can, there is no setting in the OS for pagepool, so just make a backup, install the 12mb version and restore the backup. I've done it close to 10 times the last couple of days when testing different PP settings.. :)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] dimisxxx:
And do you think also that 0 mb is a little bit unstable??? 12 mb is more stable right??
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] ryousuke:
are you running multiple apps? i cant see any stability issues with dynamic page pool (0mb pp) but it has been mentioned...

then again cause its been mentioned that 0mb pp may be 'unstable' from some members might be why u think its unstable... :P

(placebo effect)... so run it abit longer and see...

i can use both fine... actully i dont see any speed differences between 0 / 12 :P
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] jeromenism:
after running 0mb dynamic pagepool for awhile, i do feel that it becomes slower and a soft reset almost everyday is required.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Shubbis:
Yep, as i wrote a couple of pages back, I had some issues with 0mb. So as far as my experience is concerned, 12 is the better choice :)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] wonderboygr:
pano, the rom 1.9 is super stable and fast with 12 mb page pool.

no hungs, no delays, nothing so far whatsoever.

very nice indded.

note: with the 0 mb page pool the rom is cetrainly faster ( but i think faar too fast), risking though potential probs when multitasks are involved.

in my opinion, play fast enough and safe with 12 mb page pool

have a nice day
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] patterns:
Panosha you do the best rom man!!!!!!!!!

is there a way i can change the today theme on td3flo back to green like in 1.6?

thanks again!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] WMguy:
Ditto on everything he said. :)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] akil3x:
Just a doubt , after I flash my HTC is recommend to do a soft reset???

I never did , but I read this today :)

PS : you have in your pag Answerkeys Disabler (v0.3.1) but the last is Answerkeys Disabler (v0.4.1)!!!

Maybe some type error yes??
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] benko286:
i have problem with msn, it says that there are no online users but i know that there are at least 10 users online, and when somebody send me message he is also shown as offline(when chating user is shoown as offline).
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] ktsak:
I think, i repeat i think, HARD RESET is recommended
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] guythomaz:
Shine On 1.9 pagepool 0 MB

Just flashed "Shine On 1.9 pagepool 0 MB" and it's surely faster. U can feel it :)

At the moment it is stable and damn fast. I will continue to test it and report after a few days.

Just for information: I didnt a Soft- or Hardreset.

As feature it would be nice to have the ability to change between the icon packs...
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] ktsak:
As it is mentioned HARD RESET is RECOMMENDED, not REQUIRED.

Enjoy !!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] gadjet:
Many thanks panosha...:)

Excellant ROM, testing your 0Mb pagepool version now.

Wow G-Sensor worked first time....
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] akil3x:
Ok thanks!

I have install 1.9 12pp very goooooooddddddddddd :)

Thanks again Panosha ;)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] guythomaz:
What is very goooooooddddddddddd :confused:
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] ktsak:
My friend, do not fool with other people. If you don't like the ROM do not use it. But let other people that like it to use it. It is your choice. It's a free market. Have a nice day.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] zaki67:
I have the old clean version and I am not facing any problems do U recommend keeping it or upgrading?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] panosha:
Upgrading. Need more opinions for the configuration of Clean. Do you want HTC keyboards ? Do you want somethig else go out for more storage ?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] WM_69:
am using rom x.xx.25.05 Much reduction in battery drainage compare to .03. Panosha, pls help me to activate my autocorrect option when typing sms.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] panosha:
I think we have some problems with HTC keyboards in several ROMs. I don't use these keyboards. Maybe you can play with input settings.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] swampy:
Panosha, thanks for all the hard work you have done to bring us Light 4 and Clean 2. I'm using Clean 2 right now and i really appreciate all the space you have saved. The apps you took out is perfect for a clean diamond.

A previous user mentioned taking out ezinput for clean 2, i think that's a good suggestion. If you plan to make the default keyboard as the default input, may i suggest that XT9 should be disabled as AutoComplete is hidden while XT9 is enabled. (I used KaiserTweak to disable XT9).
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Carty:
I would suggest the Diamond keyboard and the standard keyboard is alone left..

Most important for me, A 2G VERSION pleaseeeee... Can't wait to load it in my device.. Or tell me how can I make it work on 2G devices.. Thanks again..

Regards,

Carty..
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] WM_69:
swampy, will you tell me how do i tweak to disable XT9; as i need autocomplete very badly. thks.