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[Sony Xperia 1 II Real Life Review] Geoffxx:
and I completely disagree with your subpar comments - I have extensively researched and looked at pretty much all the reviews and comparisons out there - most using the standard app and many on early release devices and the quality of photos is mostly superior IMO - some reviews complain about some features but the overall quality of standard daytime photos is superior, there is also a lot of bias in some reviews and reading the comments highlights these,

Like I said above some aspects need improvement in the standard app that I believe will come soon enough - they seem to have treated the standard app and the FFC as an afterthought that does need some improvement for those that just want a point and shoot camera at night or when conditions need processing but overall the 1 ii has been superior in standard daytime settings

The choices this phone offers people are superb and unique in the current phone market - there is nothing to match it and IMO it will only get better
[Sony Xperia 1 II Real Life Review] WarVic:
I downloaded real size photos coming directly from the camera from different websites and had a good look at them on 15" Macbook Pro Retina screen as well as on good quality 24" full HD IPS panel. And I didn't see any Xperia 1 II superiority over nearly any flagship smartphones I used to have for the last 3 years. Currently I own Xperia 5 and I clearly see that Xperia 1 II suffers with the same issues as my phone - dull, "lifeless" photos (someone says they're true-to-life but this is bs - what I saw in real life was much brighter and clearer), obvious dynamic range issues, blown out highlight, crushed dark areas, quite frequent over- or underexposure issues, poor HDR implementation (usually no difference when it was turned on), frankly crappy selfies etc. Also I played a lot with Manual mode on my X5 and it was always just a fun (=waste of time), the results were no different to Auto mode. So I wish that Sony would come up with photo quality at least close to iPhone 11 or Pixel 3. And I doubt the updates will fix anything. Sony is not known for that.
[Sony Xperia 1 II Real Life Review] Geoffxx:
there is one photo on a comparison between the S20 and 1 ii that if you look closely at the daytime shot up a street with a few cars and a row of houses - look at the cables running across the road from the pole - the s20 almost looses them completely and the 1 ii shows them well defined - that's the difference but can only be seen in the fine details, I look at everything on a 4k 65" monitor, also the colours are more natural on the Sony - what you see is what you get

you have an opinion that I disagree with on every front - you sound like a Sony basher

I have looked very carefully at all the reviews and you are talking nonsense apart from the points I made earlier
[Sony Xperia 1 II Real Life Review] WarVic:
I'm not a Sony basher at all. Actually I'm a Sony user and I like this brand. And every single time I try to say something not positive about a Sony product I always hear something like "Oh, you're just a Sony basher or Sony hater" :). That's ridiculous! Sony fans remind me CCP behavior - you can't say anything bad about them at all. Let's agree to disagree then. I see what I see. Brand doesn't matter for me. All I know for sure is that some people / brand fans are viciously, blindly protecting what they've got, especially if it's something expensive, to justify the money waste :). Cheers!
[Sony Xperia 1 II Real Life Review] stefanve:
I have both the xperia 5 and the xperia 1 ii and there is no comparison between the two. I looked at the photo's on ipad pro 2018 and a 4k calibrate monitor. The thing with the xperia 1ii is that you have a lot of detail in the shadows and it is an easy fix in post. there is quit a lot of headroom in the jpegs so I'm really looking forward to see what can be done with the raw images. The DR from the main sensor is actually really good for a phone. but it doesn't have a very good HDR option iPhone does that much better but the Samsung implementation looks ugly. out of camera the jpegs are clean with lots of detail more so that a s10. like I said it is not a perfect camera and it is quit possibly not a very good choice ffor most people as it doesn't have a good night mode, good fake bokeh etc. But if you are like me and are making photo's for many years and you enjoy it as a hobby this is the best android camera phone on the market today (perhaps the p40 pro plus is better) . on the other hand if you make photo's to show to friends and families and have a way to keep memories it might not be the phone for you.

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added two sample photo's where you can see both the missing of a proper HDR mode and why the sensor is really nice.

https://we.tl/t-8Yudvo6zT3. I didn't do a excellent LR job just one minute of playing
[Sony Xperia 1 II Real Life Review] WarVic:
Thanks for a nice reply and photo samples. I would be great if you could upload few shots of the same places made by both X5 and X1II. I didn't say that Xperia 5 camera system is complete garbage. I'm getting around 50 - 60% of usable and very nice photos regardless of mode. It means X5 consistency isn't good at all. Cameras do suffer with issues I stated above. Wide angle and selfie cameras are very average or below average to my opinion though. Night shooting is nearly impossible without tripod which is a shame. Pixel 2 is able to make awesome, clear shots at night just being handheld. This is another issue I forgot to mention. So my conclusion - new Sony flagship smartphones high price tag is not justified for non Sony fans.
[Sony Xperia 1 II Real Life Review] stefanve:
https://we.tl/t-5tl71Omue5

I started first with the x5 than did my best to get similar point of view with the 1ii. for the 1ii I used the pro app in auto mode.

I'm not a Sony fan although I have owned the Z, XZ3 and now the 1ii and on the camera side rx100 and the rx100vi. I have used many other brands and some phones/camera's I like and some I don't. In the end of the day I don't believe there is a best camera or a best phone. there are many options and many things to consider. For instance one of my all time favorite phones is the blackberry passport, as I could use it for work without the need to open my laptop although camera etc was horrible the productivity possibilities where unmatched and for me the trade of was worth it.

the 1ii is a phone I really like to use and that is not something I would say of the Samsung S10, Nokia 9 or the XZ3 and some others I used in the last two years. The reasons are, screen quality (natural colors, beautiful when watching media), form factor, build quality, near stock android, speaker audio quality, headphone jack and afc the camera system. Unlike most other phones this camera makes me feel I'm in control and that I'm the one who takes the photo's instate of the phone deciding how it is going to look. As an added bonus I liked the natural colors and the fast auto focus / burst mode. so the camera system involves me in taking a picture and as a result I'm enjoying taking photos with this phone. As a trade of I don't get some computational photography wizardry but for me that is not an issue as I don't care about that.

So long story short, it's not that I like the 1ii because I'm a Sony fan I like it because it does what I want better than most other phones.
[Sony Xperia 1 II Real Life Review] WarVic:
Thanks heaps for photo samples. Well, I see some improvement here and there - better dynamic range (skies aren't so blown out as on X5 photos), less noise, better focus I guess. I believe that having really good programmers (like Google one :)) it all can be achieved by tweaking / patching of X5 camera system which is more than capable for this. Otherwise, unfortunately I see no dramatic, staggering improvement, no "wow" effect for sure. X5 and X1II photos coming from main camera are quite close - colors, level of details, same resolution at least. So I'm not convinced that it's worth to spend nearly twice more for X1II over X5. I'll wait for arrival of Pixel 5, Galaxy Note20 and iPhone 12 and see. Cheers!
[Sony Xperia 1 II Real Life Review] Geoffxx:
interesting compare

https://youtu.be/Vi5v-c_tjGE

also guys if taking night shots the 24mm camera performs the best - look at samples Pro Auto from

https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/sony-user-group-135/sony-xperia-1-ii-6215119-102.html

16mm PhotographyPro Auto, handheld.

https://i.ibb.co/hcnp9bf/4-16mm-Photography-Pro-Auto.jpg

70mm PhotographyPro Auto, handheld.

https://i.ibb.co/2dsTg3p/8-70mm-Photography-Pro-Auto.jpg

24MM PHOTOGRAPHY PRO, HANDHLED

https://i.ibb.co/sKW6Bq6/6-Photography-Pro-Auto.jpg
[Sony Xperia 1 II Real Life Review] JamesMiami:
Ready for love, but..... Today is the day that US shipments of Xperia 1 ii were to begin. As of this moment, Amazon has not shipped my pre-order. They still say expected delivery is July 28th. I note that Best Buy online now says earliest for curbside pick up at one of their stores is August 4th. Anyone have any additional information on US shipments?
[Sony Xperia 1 II Real Life Review] Brorom:
Same thing with B&H in New York. Might be delayed I guess.
[Sony Xperia 1 II Real Life Review] Scorpiusest:
Mine was shipped yesterday, and I'm expecting to get it on Monday. Focus Camera
[Sony Xperia 1 II Real Life Review] JamesMiami:
Today on Amazon my open order still shows unshipped, but also still shows arriving Tuesday (28th). But the phone's listing in the Amazon store now shows "Currently unavailable. We don't know when or if this item will be back in stock.". Not sure what that means in context.
[Sony Xperia 1 II Real Life Review] JamesMiami:
Just out of the blue, notice from Amazon that my phone has shipped, with delivery expected Monday. Yay!
[Sony Xperia 1 II Real Life Review] grizzlyspid86:
I've seen indoors shot on Xperia 1ii. Its definitely a huge improvement over previous 1 and 5. At least the upgraded hardware paid off. And really disappoint that Sony still dont give optional Auto HDR (can turn on or off) on their Standard camera app. For a point & shoot, Xperia 1ii still below others. But for Pro users that like to fiddling around, definitely above others, really appreciate that Photo Pro app. All its need now is a good RAW support.
[Sony Xperia 1 II Real Life Review] WarVic:
Completely agree with it. Sony is missing the main point, the main purpose of a smartphone and smartphone camera itself. Outstanding point-and-shot camera is the fist priority of any high-end, expensive, flagship phone nowadays. And, to be honest, pro photographers manual settings and features on a smartphone is just a smart marketing trick. In 99% of cases it just a fun to have it = waste of time, no real impact on the final result if default Auto point-and-shot mode did the job properly. If I need something done professionally and do manual settings, I'd take my DSLR! I will always trust smart computational photography rather than misleading playing with manual setting. Proper post-processing of computational photography is the only way to get something really good out of tiny smartphone camera lenses regardless of the size of sensor and other things. And, to be honest, looking at Sony's raw, under-processed photos and shouting out loud that they're "true to life", is pathetic.

So coming back to topic, Xperia 1 II is a lovely phone. I really like its design, flat screen etc. BUT the camera system is not up for the price and its the only downside of it to my humble opinion.
[Sony Xperia 1 II Real Life Review] Geoffxx:
just as well your opinion only affects you

since you won't be buying and have made that clear I don't see the point of you posting further on this thread

thanks for you personal opinion :)
[Sony Xperia 1 II Real Life Review] WarVic:
You're welcome. Good luck with Xperia 1 II. You will certainly need it :). Cheers!
[Sony Xperia 1 II Real Life Review] stefanve:
Point and shoot works perfect in the pro app with with auto mode and in P (program mode) mode you can set auto hdr / dro. They should just have deleted the standard photo app , but I guess that it is needed for certain Android functionality like QR code.

Anyway this phone is not meant for point and click auto HDR and Auto photo editing. People have enough choice for phones that do that. I'm happy that there is a choice now for people that don't like the Samsung look and like manual controls

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have this phone for over a month now and thus far no luck is needed; one of the best phones I have used
[Sony Xperia 1 II Real Life Review] Duncan1982:
I'm honestly baffled as to why some believe the Xperia 1 ii to fall short, or to have the opinion of Good Luck with it.

My last Sony before purchasing the Xperia 1 ii was back with the Z2, that I also very much enjoyed (Spoiler there yes I like the Xperia 1 ii).

What I am enjoying with the Xperia 1 ii is this Display & Aspect Ratio (Some will love it, others won't) however for me context consumption and reading and browsing are an absolute joy.

The performance may not be on point with 90hz - 120hz Displays however with the motion smoothing I find it comparable with 90hz or close to with no annoyances, bare in mind I also have the OnePlus 8 Pro.

I also love the build and design, all be it the coating on the frame makes it feel like plastic although it isn't , however it doesn't feel cheap.

The cams are great to, I like the fact I have to learn to get the shot, rather than point and shoot, (most phones have a pro mode) but few know how to use, Sony are setting it up where you have to learn, learning is great I like it a lot.

However in saying that I have taken just point and shoot with the Xperia and even with that I'm happy for the most part.

Overall again just like my Z2 I am enjoying being back and glad I took the leap to buy another Sony Device.

Here are a few point & shoot Samples.
[Sony Xperia 1 II Real Life Review] Mackay53:
I see the point in them posting as it's a welcome contribution to the thread. There's nothing wrong with highlighting the negatives of the phone to highlight it to others who might want to buy the phone

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Amen to that. I couldn't agree more
[Sony Xperia 1 II Real Life Review] stefanve:
colors look more true to life than Samsung and in a lot of cases the Samsungs HDR implementation creates Bob Ross like images.

Shouting that that is some how a quantifiable superior choice is rather pathetic as it boils down the personal preference. The only thing that could be said of the difference of photo processing is that is easier to get a Samsung look with a Sony photo tham it is the other way around. Now I understand from your post you prefer bright images thus you like Samsung or Google more and that is fine. But don't think that your preference is the one thing that all things should be measured by, other people have other preferences. I dislike the Samsung look at would gladly trade some brightness for more natural looking images. Funny thing about the Samsung HDR is the most of the time the images don't have a high degree of dynamic range at all since a lot of shadows and darker areas are simply brightened up and results in a less true to life image with less overall DR. That being said Sony could do a bit better in that department for sure
[Sony Xperia 1 II Real Life Review] y2jdmbfan:
Thanks for the input guys, much appreciated. I ended up cancelling my Amazon pre-order that didn't ship yet. I already had the dual-sim version, and I have to say I loved every part of it, except for the point and shoot aspect of the camera. With 3 young kids, I would rather have my Pixel 4 XL on me than trying to take manual shots with the Sony. and I really wanted to switch to this phone.
[Sony Xperia 1 II Real Life Review] stefanve:
For kids this phone is actually really good as autofocus is insanely fast, the pro app has a very capable / good auto mode. All the complainers and critics here don't even own it

due to fast autofocus and 20fps you can create excellent photos of children I know this as I have it and used it for some photos of my nieces and nephews
[Sony Xperia 1 II Real Life Review] andybg40:
I own it and I think it's important to highlight the limitations of the photography experience and why it doesn't deliver as well as other devices.

If you want to use the high speed continuous burst in Photo Pro, for taking pictures of your children as an example, the shots are only 2.7mb on average, a single shot is 4mb+, you get less information (therefore detail) in the burst shot, it's a compromise.

If you are outside in challenging lighting and want to take pictures of your children playing using burst, you lose HDR, blown out shots are easy to get.

So, to get a well exposed, detailed picture of your children playing outside, you need to use single shot, turn HDR on and then take the picture. By this point, you have probably missed the shot. Therefore a Pixel 4XL is the better choice.

However, the basic photo app will allow burst at 4mb file sizes, but many other phones take better pics than the basic app, so what's the point?!

Now, what I will say is that if you treat the photography experience of this device like a real camera, ie. get 90% of the settings in place before you want to shoot, because you already have an idea of what light is available, what your subject is etc, you may only need to tweak exposure between shots, possibly centre or wide focus or change lens, then you can get some really great shots out of this phone. However, only the minority will put the effort in to understand this or will have enough experience using DSLR type cameras to have an idea of what settings are needed.

All in all, it will create polarisation of opinion, as it's much easier to take a poor picture than an excellent one with the Xperia 1 ii.
[Sony Xperia 1 II Real Life Review] stefanve:
Just out of interest which one of the camera modules did you use? As I have gotten 8bm files in burst with the main. But it all depends on what you are shooting on how large the files get as jpeg uses compression. so if the image contains data that is easy to compress. for instance a clear blue sky with not a lot of details this will result in a small jpeg file. This doesn't say anything of the quality that is just how joeg works (and why it is being used). They use the complete sensor information when using burst
[Sony Xperia 1 II Real Life Review] andybg40:
Back to back test of the same scene.
[Sony Xperia 1 II Real Life Review] WarVic:
This is what I wanted to say too. I really was waiting Xperia 1 II with hopes that photos quality will be a way way better than my Xperia 5 which appeared to be not true. Looking at 4 uploaded photo samples three posts before, I absolutely sure that buying Xperia 1 II would be the biggest / very expensive mistake. Seriously guys, I see no real reason for admiration here - photos are clearly soft and misty, have unnatural purple tint (1st pic), colours are rather washed out / muted than "natural" etc. Love is blind! That's exactly is the case here, nothing more.
[Sony Xperia 1 II Real Life Review] grizzlyspid86:
Great explanation. Xperia 1ii are not meant for point & shoot, but rather treat it as DSLR. It will be great if Sony can score both, which currently its not, for a long time already.
[Sony Xperia 1 II Real Life Review] TheOnlyIntruder:
The discussion I've been seeing from reviewers often cite various flagships auto mode performance - which from a snapshot perspective is important however one key thing most people seem to overlook is that the high end phones essentially post-process photos automatically. On this phone and like the Sony phones before it, Sony give you a much more true to life camera system.

My preference is that I prefer to be the one in charge of taking the photo, not for the phone to decide what should be done. One key thing I've loved with Sony phones though is how Auto mode can still be used well thanks to such an easy method of focus locking. Focus lock on an object of certain light level with same distance to your subject, then pan and allow for your perfect composition (and this method works well in the default camera app just as much in the pro app).

I'd also like to attach some photos demonstrating the camera. Given that I've used Sony phones for a while now, not much has really changed in how the cameras handle other than how sharp and fast the camera handles and also how the phone is able to sustain lower iso modes without needing slow shutter speeds for maximum quality (thanks to the larger sensors and better lenses). It really felt like I was using a dedicate camera system. Not a phone with a camera. Only edits I have done are cropping, contrast and highlights and that's all. (The Ugly mug you see is me, I'm surprised at how much detail there is and how sharp everything is, I wouldn't have thought this was from a mobile phone).
[Sony Xperia 1 II Real Life Review] Geoffxx:
has the be one of the best posts on this forum so far

many thanks for taking the time
[Sony Xperia 1 II Real Life Review] doggydog2:
Funny they released Xperia5.2 an improved version of Xperia1.2, for less money:) Well, except of Qi.

This was a big mistake imo, as we've read Motion blur has zero impact. I wanted to buy this one, as it's the ideal phone (microSD, jack, no notch, physical fingerprint, bezels), but then I checked 60Hz on OnePlus, and it sucks. It hurts eyes, as they unfocus and refocus during scrolling nonstop. How do you guys survive the display (honestly)?
[Sony Xperia 1 II Real Life Review] 1ceb0x:
"we've read motion blur has zero impact".

So you haven't used the technology yet you know it has zero impact "from what you read on the internet". I've been all my life using phones with 60 HZ (from oneplus one to oneplus 6t until I switched to Xperia 1 II. I'm also working in IT and in my line of work I have to use mobile devices - and I've used plenty from any major company you can think of - most of them on 60hz panels) and let me tell you - Motion blur technology in this phone does exactly what Sony states it does. It removes the jitter you see on a 60hz panel, even though the panel is still 60hz refresh rate. The panel in this phone is much more smoother and clear than a 60hz panel with no motion blur. I use xperia extensively and only use the 6T for whatsapp. When i switch between the too, my eyes hurt on the 6T more than it does on the xperia and I can clearly see with my own eyes how terrible the 60hz non motion blurr panel is.

Also - motion blur technology is not new. It existed in TV's since the dawn of age so it's not something that sony just made by themselves.

It's funny how you decided against the device by just reading other people's reviews (sounds that whoever said that motion blur does nothing - did not know what he/she was talking about).

And to be on topic:

This phone is a beast and I'm very happy I bit the bullet and purchased it when it came out. The only downside I can think of is the speakers which do not seem to go that high in volume, but it's still on par with dual speaker phones out there. The vibration motor could have been better (it is miles better than 6T but not as smooth as say a pixel 3).

No problems with the cameras whatsoever. My very first impressions on the pictures I took were "these picture look so much natural than any picture I ever took on any oneplus phone I owned". Then I compared some samples with some samples taken from Samsung S9/S10 phones and I still loved the ones Xperia produces. But camera and its outcomes is very subjective. What I love, you may not and viceversa.

All in all, for me, this is one of the best android phones I owned to date and I've been an android head since the magic days of HTC Hero (one of the very first android smartphones in the world). Peace.
[Sony Xperia 1 II Real Life Review] murrayalex:
Apple pics are not especially processed, not compared to Samsung anyway.