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[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] mrlugo88:
"Minimal upgrades" is a matter of opinion. Some may not feel the way you do. I agree that it's not worth the price they are asking but that doesn't mean it's not an upgraded device from Note 10+. I actually prefer the squared look of the Note and of course the SPen. But if these exact specs came to the next Note we'd all jump on them and consider it an upgrade.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] speedyjay:
But they won't be the "exact specs" because the Note line of devices have always been a notable upgrade, significant upgrade, a worthy upgrade from the S line. It's not a matter of opinion, it's fact....yeah, the S20 Ultra has a 120hz display but only at 1080p, that's not using the display to its full potential. 5000mAh battery....500mAh more than we have now. 16GB RAM....we struggle to use the 12 we already have. Please tell me how these are significant upgrades..? Cameras....yeah they have a better megapixel count and the pixel sizes are better - but that doesn't matter if you're not printing your photos. The pictures you take will still be displayed in 1080p or 1440p. So really, unless you're a hardcore photographer, the camera isn't really an upgrade either....
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] winol:
I will keep my note 10+ until 2021, when note 12+, or what name it will have, comes out, a two year cycle is good enough for me, I gave my beloved note 8 to my son, and it runs very, very well, my son gets even more juice from it than I ever did, and it is still running on Nougat!
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] mrlugo88:
Really? What huge upgrades did we see from the S10 plus to the Note 10 plus? Why you choose to minimize the upgrades in the S20 Ultra is beyond me because most, if not all, of the "minimal upgrades" will come to the Note line. At any rate, you're convinced of what you want to believe so I'm finished with this.

I realize that I didn't answer the question myself. I really like the upgrades but with the price and lack of SPen I cant do it. I don't use my Pen as much as I want or thought I would but I would definitely miss it if I didn't have it. So I'm holding off and keeping my Note 10+.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] oneandroidnut:
Better CPU that has a marginal performance increase but remember the 5G modem is on the SOC so better performance and better power drain. Those are big. Battery size was increased from 4300 mah to 5000 mah, more then 500..... Screen rate at 1080p to 1440p isn't that much of a difference I doubt if you can't tell the difference in 240hz touch you can tell the difference in 1400 or 1080. Ram isn't a big deal and have to get the even more expensive 512 gb model. Megapixels don't matter that much anymore it is all about how much light you can take in. The optical zoom from 2x on the note 10 plus to lets say 3-5x zoom rumored on the s20 ultra isn't an upgrade? Yet it is probably going to be doubled :fingers-crossed:
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] coilbio:
Here's the kicker...

When the new note come out this year, and it's the s20 with a stylus.. is it worth the upgrade then ..

Lol
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] speedyjay:
Ooooo 700mAh....big deal. The 5G modem means absolutely nothing....BOTH support Sub6 and mmwave...sooooo. Even if the cameras have more megapixels or can zoom more or whatever, they're still going to look the same.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Badger50:
Hello to all. While I appreciate passionate, spirited debate, there are more constructive ways to go about it. Please be respectful toward each other, and don't let things get too out of hand. Your cooperation is greatly appreciated. Now back to your regularly scheduled (on topic) program.:cool:
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] VICosPhi:
Samsung should have added eSIM(for USA) and made 256Gb storage as base for S20

Disappointed to see the same old specs at these prices
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] kxdaorbit:
No for people like myself, the upgrades wouldn't be large enough this year to justify throwing my hard earned pennies at it.

The key feature that would trigger me, will be when all sensors are embedded under the screen. No 'notches' or 'puncholes', no matter how small, just beautiful unobstructed screen.

Yes for some, because it will be an updated 'Note' fullstop, the stylus being the key.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Subham jyoti:
Megapixels and extra zoom lens are not very relevant for smartphones unless you print your pictures or screen them on a XXL Television.

I was hoping Samsung would increase the quality of the wide angle lens as that's the lens I use the most(just personal thing;)) and since it has a wider field it definitely needs more megapixels.

I believe computational photography is the key for smartphones. As long as Samsung focuses on this camera quality should be fine.

There's a reason why Google and Apple are the masters of smartphone photography/ videography.

Again fanboys are gonna criticise me.;)

I have used/ tried IPhones and Pixels but I'm typing this message on my note 10 plus. This phone feels like an all- rounder. It's does nothing best but as a package this has been one favourite investments.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] speedyjay:
I 100% agree with you buddy. People are like "ahh the cameras are better yada yada yada" yeah, they're better on paper but you won't see a difference on the display until you print the pictures. The CPU is only marginally better - about 15-20%, not enough to see any notable increase in performance. I 100% understand that it's a flagship but on this occasion, it seems the S20 Ultra is an incremental update of our Note 10+....
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Venom0642:
Agree , i am gonna see what the Note20 offers better than S20 of course , plus i use spen alot so i only upgrade Note to Note since they will always be better than the S series.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] _Dennis_:
But the next S series will be better than the note.....

Honestly I love the S-Pen too, so I try to stay on Notes though I stray often and much to my finances dismay :)
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Johny1fin:
Was waiting for the S20 but could not wait. Got a very good price of £800 for my new Note 10+ 5G after trading in my S9+. Will wait for either S21 or Note 11.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] frcraig:
Taller, narrower, heavier = no thank you.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] _Dennis_:
More viewable area when looking at documents, easier to grip, better battery = sounds okay to me.

I hate the trend towards thinner lighter phones at the expense of battery. Tall and Hattie is okay as long as it's not too tall. And I really want the flat screen, but I like my S-Pen and not spending $1500 for a new phone 6 months after spending $1300 for a new phone.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Guyinlaca:
I like the spec upgrades but I'm not a huge fan of the new 20:9 screen aspect ratio. It will only stretch videos or leave larger dead space. The heavily rounded corners are also annoying (I've used a OnePlus 7 Pro, and they cut off edges in certain apps) That said, the Note 10+ being thin and wide is uncomfortable to hold compared to my Note 9, I'm still not liking the power button being on the left, and I rarely use the S-Pen.

A perfect phone would have the S20 Ultra specs but squared 19:9 screen design of the Note 10+. An under the screen front facing camera would be icing on the cake.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Iain_S:
will probably upgrade, but want to wait until some proper hands on use is reported.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] freezingpoint:
I believe the note series is mainly for the s-pen. I thought I'd use the s-pen since it's with the phone, but I actually don't. I never had the need to use a stylus but I went for the note series for the screen size.

With the S20 ultra, I'd say it's an upgrade for me. Maybe it's just the cameras that have an edge but it is a big jump in terms of hardware. If I needed the s-pen then I'd wait for the next note. Also the price of the next note will be higher than S20 ultra (note series is always more expensive anyway).

Though if they release a note that's 4G with all the S20 ultra cameras maybe the price won't be as high.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] jpbl1976:
For the last 3 years, I've done the Note > large S > Note cycle and this year, I'm just going to wait for the new Note. I guess I'm getting older but the hassle of moving to a new device in short order is starting to annoy me. Also, on Friday, I visited a nearby Sammy retail store and handled the S20 ultra and frankly, I couldn't really appreciate the 120hz display and the viewable area really isn't that much larger. I held the two devices side-by-side -- the extra 0.2" for the Ultra is a row of notification icons.

Besides, where I live and work, I get excellent LTE speeds so I'm not in any hurry to get a 5G device.

Also, I feel like Sammy will make the larger design changes to the Note series before they trickle to the S line; the S20's are basically rounded s-pen less Notes 10 with some upgraded internals and cameras. I know people love their cameras but I'm not much of a mobile photographer and I also have an iPhone 11 Pro Max which has a good enough camera for me. I mainly use my device to take photos of my dog now that my kids are bigger and I just don't see a need to switch after ~4 months with my Note 10+.

Finally, if I'm not mistaken, Ice Universe leaked that the Note 20 or whatever the heck it'll be called will have superior display tech in that you'll be able to run 120hz at Max res. So I guess I'm waiting another 6 to 8 months before I get my 2020 Sammy...
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Fly-n-High:
I'll wait for the next Note myself...

Just not worth the extra investment at this time..
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Brotuck:
Currently i find the Note 10+ very good and already on the heavy side.

As the Ultra is an extra 24 grams, it seems a bit to much. (196 vs 220)

5g isn't available in my country

Also some technology is quite new for Samsung, and it would not surprise me if there is some kind of flaw in it.

Take for example the Galaxy S6 edge, that got perfected with the Edge S7

So ill wait until the Note 20+ arrives
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Makonator:
I also hate that ''baugette'' looking phones, this note with flat screen would be perfect...
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] _Dennis_:
Baguette looking phone......lol.

19/9 vs 20/9 isn't a huge difference IMO. But if it isn't for you, than it isn't for you.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Makonator:
Im not saying s20 is like that, but seems to me that companies going more and more for that look...folowing sony...
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] mzsquared:
I agree, for a N10+ user it's hard to justify getting an S20 in a trade-in scheme. But after a week-long period of self-deliberations:laugh: I think I've found one point of excitement in S20 Ultra phone: its camera zoom capability combined with great image stabilization.

I was skeptical about that zoom at first, thinking “so now people gonna have to carry around a tripod with their phones?”- until I saw some OIS/EIS samples and that made 'me want' the S20 ultra, just for that. Maybe I'd use a gimbal sometimes but that's a good idea for any phone video. I like to entertain myself doing all kind of 'trick' photography so, I think the 20 Ultra in-the-pocket camera gonna be a fun to have.

My trade-in history w/Samsung started last year with S10e(8/256GB) which I bought outright for about $1000. It was S10 originally but I couldn't stand the fp sensor and returned it for S10e. Traded that S10e(got $600 back + additional $200 on in-store stuff) to get N10+ and now I'm about to have $700 + $200(new galaxy watch or maybe Buds Plus and S-view case?) + extra $35 for making a reservation.

My final out-of-pocket price for the S20 Ultra will be $699, but considering the added value off $235 the final cost will drop to about $470.

So, yes, there are expenses I'm willing to cover to get me a new phone-camera, the 5G is currently meaningless to me but some other things in S20 Ultra, beside the camera, look interesting too.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Idan73:
Put them on top of one another yesterday. Ultra 2 mm narrower, 5 mm taller. Even more wasted space in average videos (huge black bars, or huge top of the heads cut-off when zoomes to fill). So screen larger only on paper by changing aspect ratio. Next year they'll go for 21:9 for an amazing 0.1" larger screen (cause note will have same width and reach over 6" by fall) and we shall start carrying sheaths for the phones, or risk third of it sticking out of even deepest of pockets.

I hated on them ever leaving 16:9 after 7 series... So yes they are surely turning into baguette.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] chetly968:
Ah the note 9, now that was my favorite phone of all time for how much it was better than any other phone of its time. Loved it. I love the more squared off corners of the Note vs Series and really now other than the S own they are pretty identical. There was no difference between the S10 and Note 10 outside of faster charging and S-pen (well duh) and that useless ToF sensor. I'm guessing the Note 20 will have even faster charging, another S-pen, and maybe 2 ToF sensors to improve that ****e resolution. Either way, I'll get the S20 Ultra and use it for a few months until the Note 20 comes out.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] dboyrusky01:
Yea decided to wait for Note20+ 5G hopefully theyl still offfer $700 trade in for Note10.. They did for Note 9 when 10 came out..
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] shaunydub:
Sucks they are not listing the N10+ for trade in on Samsungs website.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Guyinlaca:
So, I had a chance to test out the S20 Ultra side by side with my Note 10+. To be honest, there was just no wow factor. The phone is slightly narrower but noticeably taller. I turned the 120 hz feature on and yes, scrolling is smoother but it was not an earth shattering difference. The new aspect ratio is not beneficial for videos and arguably has less area if you don't want the stretch. Samsung really pulled an Apple this year and the bulk of the upgrade is the camera. You have to ask yourself if a really amazing camera is worth replacing an amazing camera or if 5G is worth it to you.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] VICosPhi:
I see it listed on Samsung US website. Not gonna get it though since it costs as much as I paid for Note10 + with only half the flash storage (128GB) and no eSIM support in US either....

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From what I've been reading the S20 camera quality is slightly better in low light pictures that's about it...

Looks you said I don't see a wow factor with S20. Narrower screen, no eSIM in US, photos that look no better than Google pixel and colors that look very bland.

Note 10+ feels like it is worth $1200, not S20 imo
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Venom0642:
Like i said in a earlier post here, It's not and upgrade from a Note10 Plus it's a downgrade if anyone did that, but hey everyone has there own choices, if they want a bit better camera which to me doesn't effect me from my Note10 Plus or the 120 hz which you wouldn't really notice it that much, well it's there preference choice, Like i said me personally see it as a downgrade, I'll keep my Note10 Plus and do what i usually do only upgrade Note to Note ,

BTW For those that will wait for the Note20 the camera hole will be hidden under Display, As you see S20 has the camera cutout.

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Here's a link for the Note20 scroll down till you see it camera will be hidden under display.

https://www.phonearena.com/news/sam...note-20-release-features-speculation_id122302
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] roadcabe14:
Battery alone is the reason to switch. So much power
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] _Dennis_:
"features-speculation" right there, in the URL. It is speculation (guessing) what features will be in the phone, nothing confirmed.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Venom0642:
Not confirmed yet but i bet it will be hidden under Display, plus i am not gonna go backwards if on a Note , S series is no doubt excellent, but it just can't compete with a Note, that is why i go from Note to Note, definitely use Spen alot.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] _Dennis_:
That's fine, even though I am a phone nut and am going from a note 10+ 5G (Verizon) to a S20 Ultra (unlocked) I don't recommend others upgrading every 6 months (or even yearly) because it's not economical. I just don't want to give the impression to others that the under display camera is a sure thing or even very likely. Currently one phone had it and the camera is a potato from what I understand.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] ad44891:
I agree.. I'm a note guy... It's just something special bout getting a new note yr after yr... And the notes always seems to be better than the S line
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Elastep:
Just played with this baby in best buy. Good phone, but no sense of upgrading if you already have note 11. Especially for the price. The thing I loved the most surprisingly was the new camera app, not the camera itself. I like how it zooms and the new mode that takes all kind of shots that it thinks are good... If only we could get the camera apk and make it work on our note 10s... 120hz is rather cool, but again not for the price. The difference In smoothness is there of course, but it's not that dramatic. I've scrolled note 10 and s20 ultra side by side and the difference is really visible when you scroll FAST.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Venom0642:
Agree it's nice phone, but definitely it's a downgrade from a Note10 Plus,.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] _Dennis_:
If I had a note 11 I certainly wouldn't but a S20 :)
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Elastep:
Ooops :) Note 10+ of course...

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No it's not a downgrade (except for the spen)... But the upgrade price is not justified
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] rjsmith2007:
Agreed. I might pick one up or the next note in a year or so, used/refurb when the price is cheap enough.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Ippolito1971:
I just made the switch back to Samsung from OnePlus (7pro) and after 2 days of research I finally went to the TMO store and tested the s20u versus the n10+ and after the 30minute venture went with the N10+ 5G for various reasons. Sure I surrender the better connectivity, 240hz touch, 120hz refresh but the form factor and thickness was a big turn off aside from the fact that I prefer the note line. I liked the s20+ better than the Ultra but in the end the N10+ 5G checked every box for me personally. After I left the store I watched a camera comparison posted by NBT (Nothing But Tech) with S20U, P4XL, and iPhone 11 Pro Max. I'm glad I got the N10+ bc for 1600 that camera is not yet warranting that kind of money for me which was icing on the cake.

S20U:

Cons:

Too bulky, heavy/Size

Camera bump too big

Camera performance out of box

120hz @ 1080p only (for now I guess but still)

Price

Lack of S-pen

Screen size

12gb/128gb (seriously!?)

Pros:

SD865

240HZ TOUCH

Display

WQHD+

Battery size

16gb/512gb (but @ 1600 + taxes)

Expandable to 1TB

Cameras (improved over time)

Pro mode awesome

Camera app

Note10+ 5G

S-pen included

Performance

12gb/256gb

Display

WQHD+

Expandable to 1TB

Cameras/tof (optimized with current updates)

Video stabilization/60fps

Plus plus

Cons:

You tell me?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] mzsquared:
Just cancelled my 20Ultra order and I'm actually sad about it, had high expectations about that camera but I don't wanna take chances running into frustrating "focus" problem as I saw it in the video this morning. The good thing about it is that I have Note 10+, will see if they gonna fix the 20Ultra camera, it is still a few months till Summer and until then the camera price may go below the $200 bonus they offering right now.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Biggenz:
Battery life on the Ultra seems crap, especially at 120hz.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] kxdaorbit:
Let's hope they've refined the tech by the time the Note 20 arrives, maybe something like adaptive screen refresh rates for different scenarios.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Venom0642:
Agree i returned both back , S20 Ultra in my opinion is horrible, will stick with my Note10 Plus.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] ttrojan:
Battery for the S20 Ultra at 120hz seems to be at par with the Note 10 Plus, a vote to keep the Note 10 Plus in my opinion so far. specially considering the very high price for the Ultra..
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] _Dennis_:
Lol.....7 hours SoT is just, terrible I guess.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Biggenz:
From a 5000mah battery, yes it is actually.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] _Dennis_:
Oh, so you determine how much battery is good based on battery size but ignore the rest of the phone? Interesting way to determine acceptable battery life. Personally I like to look at it like I do the rest of the things in my life, namely "will this work for my lifestyle"

But you do you boo boo.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Biggenz:
How old are you, 5?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] _Dennis_:
34, but thanks.

Why do you ask? Is consequential determination of cake something that confuses you? I don't look at raw numbers and determine what consequential values are appropriate, and even if you do, you should be looking at all the specs not just battery size.

5,000mah with a 6.9" screen running at 120hz and 1080p and a fast processor with lots of RAM will mean less battery life compared to a 5,000mah battery and a mid range processor and much less RAM on a 5", 60hz, 720p screen.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] coilbio:
Dennis Looks at raw number of "7 hours of screen time"..

Dennis argues that he doesn't look at raw numbers...

Get outta here.