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[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Krad213:
But it could work, if someone with native english write this petition adressed to HTC and Google. Its much easier then hacking port :), and every person asking stupid questions in this thread could be send to sing it :)

Again what do we lose ?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Untouchab1e:
Off course, we have nothing to loose. That said, I actually personally asked the HTC Product Manager Scandinavia about this, and he was very clear

For those of you who dont understand neither Norwegian nor Swedish (shame on you), I am basically asking about Android ROM's for existing HTC devices. He replies, saying: "Android and Windows Mobile are two different platforms/segments and it becomes complicated if those two get mixed in regards to upgrades, ec. Today, there are no plans to offer Android upgrades to existing HTC Windows Mobile products....
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] doloop:
Not a chance. HTC and Microsoft have a deal for htc to use WM. Microsoft won't be happy if HTC allow installation of android in place of WM. This could open the door to direct comparison of both OS on the same hardware, and microsoft will never allow that.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] mugglesquop:
cheers :)

we'll have to wait to see the spec of the magic then...
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] petay:
i myself asked htc technical support the android question!! i saw a new winMo rom for my diamond but lo and behold it wouldnt let me download it
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] illi:
BULL@#%$ HTC!!! I owned two HTC branded devices (HTC TouchPro and Touch Diamond) but the ROM download link wont allow me to download too:(
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] petay:
mine is a p3700 with a htc badge on the front and an orange badge on the back!!! maybe its for identity issues or something!! i knew there answer would be no on the android roms coming from them. even though it looks better and runs better and its not winblows!!! he he
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Krad213:
Ok so we know that HTC have some agreements with M$ and won't just break them for no reason. But what about google, they for sure have powers and wish to take big part of mobile market, anyone asked them about forcing HTC to break with M$ or make somekind of "pirated roms" to boot android unofficialy ?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] c4software:
one months ago i asked the tech support too :

if everyone with a Diamond or rapahel ask htc to make an Android rom maybe... (or not :()
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] schnitzelbrain:
Is there anything planned to remove the need for SIM PIN entry in the future or implement it so I can enter the pin and android accepts it ?

I am one of the poor that have a vodafon sim card where (even its a red new umts version with full contract) disabeling sim pin is not possible.:(
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] mugglesquop:
it will be possible... sometime ;)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Untouchab1e:
So you are suggesting that Google, force HTC to stop their relations with Microsoft, meaning they wont be able to have any Windows Mobile devices? Would suck pretty hard for them considering they just announced two awesome new phones running WinMo. WinMo, love it or hate it, but I personally believe that Windows Mobile 7 will be awesome, and if anything, HTC should be the ones producing the phones running it
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Krad213:
I think, wm 7 will be nothing new, just like 6.5 or desktop vista, windows 7 .... just new interface ... maybe windows 7 is little faster when XP, but much uglier ... and vista is complete garbage ...

In wm 7 demos, i didn't see anything what not already implemented in SPB mobile shell or manila or pointUI.

But android - whole new world, there a cuple of revutionary things that can make software just awesome, like full data managment standardization, and integration anything with anything, no mater - proprietary or open, cuz interface is allways open and standard. And activity/intend/daemon standart differenciation helps manage memory usage/software development more effective.

We will never see such things in windows, ever.

So i think android is future, and not just for mobile and embeded devices, but maybe sometime it will come to desktops (netbook version already in development) ... but I CANT WAIT NO MORE !!! :)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] leonatan25:
LOL @ both dumb statements.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Untouchab1e:
Please tell us where you have seen Windows Mobile 7 demo's as it isnt even officially annouced and no details have been officially released. So I find it really hard to believe that you have seen any of it.

From what little leaked info there is, combined with some statements made in interviews tells us that Windows Mobile 7 will be something completely "new" in several ways. So who knows what it will bring with it.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Krad213:
There were several mmmmm feature lists of WM7 ... including animations, fade effects, using phone shaking for software interaction and using camera instead of accelerometer (to detect phone movments in space by calculating image changes) ... last one - most stupid idea, i've ever heard ... and not any word about any architecture changes.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Untouchab1e:
That was a leaked, unconfirmed and most importantly extremly old document (Over a year old). The pictures posted are also clearly photoshopped, such as the one attached. (The fade effect is poorly made and why would there be a T9 indicator on the top menu bar?)

Anyhow, lets get back on topic...
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] mugglesquop:
oooo like the battery and signal bars ^^ lol
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] c4software:
about android, the lack of button will be maybe a problem, but if we use the sensitive surface we can make something cool, i'm explain :

Transform a sensitive area to the Trackball of the G1.

Map the up key to option key.

Map home button to home button (of course)

Its would be a good no ?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Krad213:
Ok maybe its old, but how much time M$ need from idea to working OS ?

OK its photoshoped ... OF COURSE its photoshoped - its concept, not working model.

T9 ... I dont know, maybe its not that T9, maybe its model name or like a version name of this demonstration or something else ...

Why do you thing that someone could do a stupid mistake making fake, and couldn't do it making real concept ... is there any difference in process ?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Addicteddddd:
Please...Stop...Posting...

Especially posting crap which has nothing to do with the thread!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Riel:
Nooo I really think the best 'FAIL' is the facts that the fade must look like 'motion'. Quite fast motion -> all within the same second, as you can see :p
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] straylight:
Agreed.

As far as the Zips from Untouchable are concerned, it seems to depend on what program you use to unzip them. I use Winrar myself, but the version of Winzip from work unzipped them as corrupt.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] oaa8:
I've noticed that when I have the corrupt problem, it's because the whole zip file was not downloaded. Using firefox to download, it does not know how big the file is so it doesn't give an ETA. The corrupt files for me were not the correct size. I normally use Winrar but windows vista's explorer also opened it with no problems.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] pomophobe:
new...

No need to be rude, I just joined a little while ago, and I just saw this thread. I am not a developer. I am user, I was looking for a place to find some good recommendations on apps, and possibly porting a better OS or UI to WinMo 6.1. I've browsed through many of the pages in this thread. All I asked for was to be pointed in the right direction. A simple link or two posted, and then you can roll your eyes and utter "idiot" at me all you want.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] touch of jobo:
Excuse me for joining the off-topic-ness here...

The thread title says "Not yet working", in full caps.

If youre not a developer, or more to the point: if youre not here to contribute to getting completely working kernel, you should probably wait for 'it' to be 'working'. Of course its cool to finger around in Android, but since its not a working, functional solution yet, there is no point in putting resources towards getting to the point were some others already are. (Of course, reading the entire thread is a lot of effort, but at least it is your own. Bloating the thread contributes to it being a lot of effort to read it, and makes it more likely others will not read it either, and contribute to the chain reaction...)

Any post that says 'it doesnt work for me' in a thread that says 'not working' is pollution. Any post that says 'I have the same problem as some previous post' is pollution. Any thread that says 'android works on XYZ device' is by itself useless and therefor pollution. Any post that reports stuff thats already posted before in the thread or on the wiki (no audio ,messed up colors on raph800, sim pin, display timeout, ...) is pollution. (But then again, posts that say 'read the wiki, youre an idiot' are also pollution. :rolleyes:) Any post that says 'when will it be ready, I hate windows' is pollution.

dcordes started this thread some 2345 posts ago in order to get a fully working linux kernel that exposes the entire device (and that Android can run on top of), not to get a non-working state on as many phones as possible.

Is has been suggested before to start a separate thread for 'support' and leave this one for 'development' but that would probably not help.

I realize that this post will disappear below the horizon within a day, but at least I will have had my rant. :mad: Again, sorry for occupying this spot that could have been a useful post.

Should you feel the urge to respond to this post, do so in PM as it is OT, unless youre dcordes and own the thread.

-Jobo
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] oliwan:
Fixed the TS in 2.7

Hi All,

I've fixed the touch screen issue with android and the 2.6.27 kernel. It turns out the android power drivers have moved which are required for the TS to work properly which weren't being compiled in.

Anyway, edit the htcraphael_defconfig to fix it. It's the USER_WAKELOCK and WAKELOCK you need.

#
# Power management options
#
CONFIG_PM=y
CONFIG_PM_DEBUG=y
CONFIG_PM_SLEEP=y
CONFIG_SUSPEND=y
CONFIG_SUSPEND_FREEZER=y
CONFIG_USER_WAKELOCK=y
CONFIG_WAKELOCK=y
# CONFIG_APM_EMULATION is not set
CONFIG_ARCH_SUSPEND_POSSIBLE=y
CONFIG_NET=y
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Untouchab1e:
Awesome work! Can anyone confirm?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] touch of jobo:
Confirmed for Raph100.

-Jobo
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] NetRipper:
And I just committed it to git (htc-msm-2.6.27). Thanks oliwan.

Now I think we finally have 2.6.27 in a state like we had 2.6.25. The new kernel already includes a lot of changes "below the surface", but it's the kernel to continue working on. :)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] mak213:
i hear people are using the "phone" function as in calling people while on the android loaded up i have the diam100 and everytime i try to call someone it just hangs up , also is there a way u could copy sim contacts to phone?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] atreidae:
I think I'd like to just drop a note here, you guys are doing an awesome job, we all know HTC wont develop android for the Raph.

I've run the test build and what you have working is very impressive.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] doloop:
Fortunately, this is not the case, i have the same lines on my hardspl when i enter the "usb host" thing.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] ruskairabbit:
Woudn't it be a good idea to change the thread title to say "[PRJ][OS]Linux and Android on HTC Diamond "NOT YET WORKING" - Read the Wiki before posting!"

It might cut down some of the questions like I cant enter my PIN, and my colours are messed up etc...
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Kevbodian:
From experience I can tell you that it would not cut down any noticeable amount. As great as they are, people, newbs, rarely read the stickies or the wiki.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] badbrad4080:
Hey look people android is NOT WORKING as yet STOP the questions about how your not getting functionality and some are when it is confirmed to work/beta complain but now it in DEVELOPEMENT so NO MORE questions on why am not able to make a call, your display colors are off ect., its not a beta there not looking for a list problems the release has it is ONLY for progress updates nothing else. Since I made this post, I would like to say thanks for taking the initiative to make this for everyone good job and excellent progress.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Untouchab1e:
Hi!

I am testing out a new Android build right now. It reflects current progress and is now based on Linux 2.6.27 (instead of 2.6.25). There arent that many visible changes other than this, but there are some. Will post the new build once I verify that it actually works...
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] sibbor:
Interesting. Will this build work for DIAM as well as RAPH series?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Untouchab1e:
I just confirmed that it worked lovely on my Raph100. I will try to boot it on my DIAM100 later tonight, but if anyone wants to be my private tester before that, feel free to contact me.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Untouchab1e:
The new build is now posted.

You can also check for the new version using the Android config tool.

Also worth noting is that the package is no longer a .zip-file, but rather a verified .rar file. This will hopefully fix problems a few people were having with the downloaded file.

Enjoy!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] c4software:
I tried the lastest kernel on my diam100 from Git (2.6.27), improvement are realy impressive, but acctually (yesterday night, date of my build) the navipad is not correctly map on the diam100 (its correct on the Raph, but not on the diam).

But maybe J0b0 or balsat have fix that issue ?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Torchin:
Well i maybe would try a andriod build but is this list up to date ? :confused:

If not

Can somebody update that list or post a list here ?

You all have my thanks already for making it work :D
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] o2xdaexec:
ive put it on the mem card and an it but it stalls on the loading screen with all the text and the last comand is disabling flash recovery its been like that for 5mins now,what have i done wrong...
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] dexxa05:
Hi same things for me...

I tried MTYPE 1805 and 1910 (I have a diamond)

But they don't work i have a linux screen my phone are connected to ActiveSync...

c4software can you upload your build?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] petay:
I have also tried the latest RAPH build on my diamond. it used a default.txt from a working DIAM image and no joy. maybe its because its looking for a memory card rather than the internal sotrage???
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] touch of jobo:
I do not have a Diamond, but I suspect it shouldn't be too hard for someone who does have one. I understand you can use the scroll wheel (right?) so that means that we do get input from the touch pad. We already saw that the gpio matrix for the hard buttons is the same, so the only difference would be in the data for position on the left and right side of the pad.

The list is pretty much accurate. Navi now works on Raph, but not on Diam. RTC works, but thats not in the list...

-Jobo
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] cielorosso:
I tried the newest RAPH build on my RAPH100.

On the good side: Internal clock now works :D

on the bad side: the navipad no longer works except for up/down/enter.

Hope this information is helpful
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] o2xdaexec:
what process did you do to get it to work on your raph100
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Untouchab1e:
Download here

If you follow this step-by-step, it should work without any hickups on your raph100
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] o2xdaexec:
ohh....didnt use usb just downloaded it to memory card via card reader.:o
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] adil786uk:
Just tried android for the first time on my diamond. I quite like it. Excellent work so far guys!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Gautje:
Hi guys,

After testing the last build, my compliments for the improvements!

- I was able to use the touch circle of my device, though it was little too sensitive, so the arrow keys were difficult to use. (And in snake, the snake moved down sometimes because of this touch)

- I was able to make a call, but I couldn't hear or say anything. Different from the build before, I was able to be called. It did take some time though before Android noticed it was being called.

- The phone does not crash anymore when using the back/red phone key.

- I was able to look into my pics, and browse through all music, though it took some time to load.

- The lights still do not work.

- The battery indicator doesn't work yet. :-(

Sorry for this short answer. I will update it on monday. I'm going out with some friends tonight, and tomorrow :)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Untouchab1e:
For those who are just curious or cant experience it themselves, here is a neat video demo of the current progress --> Over to youtube
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] o2xdaexec:
does it not work right if you just put it on the memory card and install from there.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Untouchab1e:
Short answer: yes.. I think you should watch this video in order to understand where you should place what and how!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] mak213:
can we keep this about diamond only? the majority of ppl questioning etc are all talking about ralpheal can u guys use ur forum highly appreciated...and how am i not reading if i asked if phone worked on diam100 ino it says it doesnt on the wiki but i hear allloot of ppl are having it work on the diam100 i wanted to just have that confirmed
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] dcordes:
This thread discusses Linux kernel for HTC Diamond and HTC Raphael
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] touch of jobo:
c4software, you mentioned that the scroll wheel works. does the ring light up when you scroll it? (The other leds may just not light up because I don't get the correct position information, but as the wheel works, it should blink.)

Is that on a Raphael or a Diamond? If its a Diamond, same question about the ring flashing...?

-Jobo
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] danielmtz:
Will there be another version out for the diamond as well? Thanks!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] o2xdaexec:
i followed the video, and still getting the same as the screen shots about flash disable etc and then it just hangs.could it be what rom i have on the phone thats causing the issue
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Dr.Tenma:
Hey, what do you think about this http://pokylinux.org/ ?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Flohman:
It's not working for me on my Diamond. Within your HowTo on your side you describe that the first boot will take a while. I've waited for about 20 Minutes but the glowing Android never came and no further reactions in the command line.

Do you have any ideas?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Gautje:
This was on the Diamond. I will test it on all other functionality now. The ring did not flash. It was in the same rhythm as in Windows. So, after receiving an sms, it was flasing around. And when it was "charging" in Windows, this is still the same.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Gautje:
More including test report:

- Booting takes quite some time (About a minute if fast, about two if slow), and sometimes it doesn't boot at all, but hangs at some random place in the terminator after running Haret.

----- (If it boots at all. I tried to boot it severl times, got these results: (0=hang, 1=boot) 1-1-0-0-0-0-1-0-0. It seems to hang with the line "[ 0.010000] console handover: boot [htc_fb-1] -> real [tty0]".

---------- Update: It boots, but when it seems to hang, it just takes for about 5 minutes to load, and then it suddenly vibrates two times, and Android boots! :D

- I seem to be able to surf to Google.com one time. When clicking ANY link, or going to Google.nl, it says there is no connection found. Strange, but it does indicate GPRS starting to work. (?) (I must say it loads Google VERY slow, comparative to Opera in Windows Mobile)

- Clock works, finally. Seems to have taken the time from Windows Mobile :)

- It's still difficult to get the status bar at the top of the screen down, without a stylus.

- Camera doesn't work yet. It says "Place an SD card before using the camera." I can browse through all my files though, so this SD card has been placed, I guess.

- I had to soft reboot and reboot Android to get back to the home screen from the camera? The back buttons work everywhere, but not here.

- The touch scroll wheel works, though the lights of the complete pad do not.

- The buttons seem to work well. I can call using the green phone, end a call, using the red button. Shut down (Though this shutting down doesn't work well) by holding the red button. The "up" key seems to have changed to the Home key. Maybe make the up key the up key again, to get those little menus, so that the home key can get back to the home screen, like it should? In my eyes much better.

- In the main menu, the screen often does not respond to my finger. A program turns orange, but won't start up, before I press it several times, or use the stylus.

- The stylus is not yet being detected. The lights won't go on, like in Windows Mobile.

- The battery indicator still gives a question mark.

- The microphone and the speaker don't work yet.

- Sending and receiving messages works great.

- When activating Bluetooth, it says "Turning on", but it doesn't do much...

- Wifi doesn't work yet

- Sending and receiving MMS doesn't work yet...

- Connectbot doesn't even open, what is this supposed to do?

- SMS does not work fine. I get the messages back when I try to send them. Some error seems to have occured?

- Putting someone in wait when calling works :) The rest doesn't...

More to come, just a small update :)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] cr2:
"Android OS" is just a marketing term innovated by google.

Haret loads and starts the linux kernel image (zImage), which

is device-specific. HTC creates so much device/driver variations,

that you can't expect a zImage for a different device working for you.

AFAIK, nobody has created a zImage for Diamond yet.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] mligor:
That is true, but zImage is just Linux kernel, you do not have different kernels for different computer configurations (it is mostly just CPU related). I have tried yesterday, and seams that it doesn't even come so far to load zImage... and my opinion is that if we get Haret to work, we will able to boot some zImage (maybe without some drivers, or maybe will crash during loading, but that will be one step forward anyway).
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] kState:
haret cvs

hi, in haret cvs before some hour is changes relating to Raphael :)

i try compile it, now say: "Found machine Raphael", but still freeze :(