yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] cojones:
Thanks but this isn't really that helpful to me. Remember it was 60% at 11pm but didn't last the night.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Hamudi2000:
Maybe you should have chosen another thread title if you wanted to have help. I thought YOU could not been taken seriosly. Anyway maybe you´ve used Google maps, there seems to be a bug. Google maps seems not to close the GPS so the battery is draining really quick. Or you even have a faulty cell.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] wu5262:
I too think there is something wrong with your device or setting, mine was at 70% at 11:30pm, phone function is on, push mail is on, and another 2 POP3 mail are on for geting mail every 15 mins, this morning at 9:30am, it's at 50%, so you might want to look into this.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] P996:
I fully agree with you. When it comes to ROM development, HTC is very slow and delivers a lot of buggy firmwares.

With the initial Diamond ROM my device came with, it was almost unusable, battery life was a joke too.

Now I'm using the latest TLR ROM which I can highly recommend. It makes out of a nice piece of hardware a usable piece of hardware. Not perfect, not even close to iPhone touch performance/usability but usable and probably close to perfection considering what is(technically) possible with Windows Mobile 6.1(which was never designed to be used with a finger but with a stylus).

The problem about flashing cooked ROMS is: you loose your warranty. I know this sucks, the OEM ROM is hardly usable and flashing even a different region ROM to your Diamond could void the warranty, this is something I don't understand.

If HTC wants to keep us happy, they need to release ROM updates MUCH FASTER than they do right now and please through OFFICIAL CHANNELS too.

I doesn't help customers too much if they need to come here to find the latest official ROMs to be able to make their expensive HTC toys work. The latest ROM versions need to be available on the local HTC support websites. What is the e-Club worth if they offer new ROMs once a year?!

The best approach is actually the way the TLR ROM handles updates. The AppToDate application is a treat and something HTC should seriously consider implementing into their ROMs. Unfortunately so much can go wrong, this is probably the reason why Nokia pulled the OTA Updates from most of their phones(where it was available), sad story.

So if you're willing to risk your warranty, you may be able to be happy with your Diamond after reflashing it with a cooked ROM from this forum.

If not, you better return it because honestly, without xda-developers and the fantastic cooked ROMs, HTC would probably sell only half of the devices they sell now. I would have NEVER EVER bought another HTC phone without the hope that some smart people over here would be able to deliver a decent and good working ROM.

HTC and Microsoft should kiss the feet of the makers/owners of xda-developers because without this site, I would have NEVER bought another HTC/WM device anymore. Honestly.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] cojones:
I couldn't have put it better myself.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] maniac2403:
Exactly my sentiments. Without XDA Forums, I would not ever have bought another WM phone. Thanks to all the guys who spend their time and energy for cooking ROM's for us whch make our devices so better.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] elfeh:
Interesting to read this.

I have this exact problem intermittently with my Niki (Touch Dual) I complained to Orange UK & they sent me a replacement battery a couple of months ago.

Its happened three times since & now they are sending me a replacement phone. Hopefully this will sort the problem, I wonder if its something specific to flight mode as it only happens to me when I put it in flight mode.

If I were you I'd try & get a replacement from wherever you purchased the phone.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] someone1234:
This is and always has been a common problem with WM phones. There is some program running somewhere which is draining the battery.

Along with the Pro's of anyone being able to make a WM app, comes the con that it doesnt need to be heavily tested on multiple devices.

If you tried the exact same thing after a soft reset, without launching any third party tools, i bet you won't have the problem. Your only solutions are to narrow down which program it is (probably google maps), or just not use third party tools untill others verify they work fine.

This isnt a HTC problem, its a WM problem.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Spawn12:
To be honest, this is my first WM device and i have to say im quite impressed by it...i did have a WM device a few yrs back..think it was running WM5 and was from O2...big chunky looking pda/phone...cant remember the name of it. But having that for a few days just made me realise just how rubbish WM devices are...but that was before i discovered this gem of a forum.

As for the Diamond?...i love it absolutely love it...but my only major gripe is with the battery...if anything its going to put alot of people off...i really do not understand why HTC decided to go with such a low capacity battery...even with the tweaks applied its still not up to the job imo...my Diamond charged 100% this morning...made a few calls and received a few calls. Sent a few sms and received a few...checking my email every hr etc etc and my battery is now down to 2 bars :/....which just proves to me that HTC really screwed up in the battery dept...theres no way this device can handle all that power without a decent sized battery. But as usual HTC will put out an extended battery to rip us off some more:rolleyes:. Thats the only thing that doesnt impress me about HTC and the Diamond. Other than that its a joy to use.

Up until Sunday i was seriously thinking of returning the phone but thanks to the guys here at XDA forums...i applied the tweaks that was mentioned and the phone is now much much better...so like a few other posters...if it wasnt for this place...i wouldnt even bother with a WM device. So a big big thanks to this community...because of you guys im keeping my Diamond.

Now if they would only get a bloody higher capacity battery out soon!!!:p
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] elfeh:
Interesting idea & quite probably correct, however when my phone has discharged its after I've closed all apps via taskman & put it in plane mode.

Also sadly I'm still running vanilla flavour orange uk rom, locked with no additional apps... Which could very well be the source of my problems!

Must do more faffing when my replacement comes through
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Harts@J:
It is for the design, HTC wanted to make a smaller phone as Apple has.

The designers had no idea about the engineering, about WM, etc.

And here we are now charging the phone once a day as we done in years ago when we had Compaq iPAQ PocketPCs. :o
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] billybobjones:
no my friend...

ripping you off would be making the battery non-removable and removing a sim card with a paper clip. :p
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] nickytheshaft:
Fot the pop3, where you trigering the wi-fi every 15 mins? if yes, no wonder you kill your battery so fast.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] flaviopac:
I'm sorry to say this, but the new Diamond sucks.... :(

I read about too many problems.....:rolleyes:
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] nickytheshaft:
have you tried it befor saying it sucks?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Spawn12:
Of course theres going to be problems whether its HTC with their rubbish QC testing or WM...in fact alot of these problems are due to WM being a pain in the ass. But if you take the time to tweak the phone and set it up properly then its a brilliant phone.

My Diamond hardly has any problems...and if it has its been fixed pretty quickly by applying certain tweaks etc.

Some people will just slate anything for the sake of it:rolleyes:, its a pathetic attitude to have imo....im just thankful that places like XDA exist because without this place...i dont think anyone would buy a WM device in all honesty.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Riel:
Lol,

using diamond for about 4 days in a row now, EASILY manages to stay full all day, getting mail every 30 mins (why would you use 15 ever, give yourself some rest ;)) making calls, using GPS at car-charger, no probs, no hangs, nice speed (TLR Rom), euh ? Nothing to complain about now.

Phone is nicer, better, works great with my parrot (even when using volume button on parrot, the HTC volume bar moves with it :p).

No, it was bad, but is the best phone I had now.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] paaaaaaaaaa:
You have to think in HTC's shoes here. Business wise they had to get this out way before the iphone 3g, else this phone would be sinking in a sea of iphone hype and marketing. They most likely wanted to beat the X1 too. So the device may still need some polish. Though the latest ROM updates seem to be doing just that and these updates seem to be coming at a good pace.

They have also tried a lot of new things with this device so give them a little time. I'm sure a 2nd revision or even the pro will be a very good polished device.

That said I will still be getting a diamond, I'm currently using tmobiles MDA compact 3 and im fairly happy with it. A diamond is a big leap forward for me. Battery life will not bother me greatly as I'm not an agressive user and you can charge the little guy almost anywhere with mini usb: playstation, xbox, laptop, mains, car etc.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] flaviopac:
Yes, and it is fantastic...

But many problems come out only using it...

And everyday I read about lots of problems regarding several issues....
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Spawn12:
Very true, its a shame that SE wont release the X1 yet...perhaps sept/oct by the looks of it...even then i think it will be a bit too late for the X1 because we will have the Diamond, the Pro and the iphone 3g and the X1 will have to compete against those...lets not forget that Blackberry are releasing a 3G version of their phone...the 9000 bold and also rumours are that they have a iphone killer ie touchscreen...seen a few pics of what its going to be like and i have to say, it does look like the iphone but no idea when thats being released...so with that in mind the X1 will have to be something extra special in order for it to be a success.

Saying that ill still get the X1 and see which one i like ie the Diamond or X1 and either sell the Diamond or send the X1 back for a refund. 3G iphone im not concerned about...its all style and really no substance in my opinion. I'll probably get the Pro as well but that wont be till next yr when my tmobile contract is up for renewal...by that time ill probably get it for free.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] R3PUBL1K:
Well mine has been of charge since 09:15 and the battery is down to 75% during this time I have had Direct push (3g) 30 minute phone call a a few tests, while blue-tooth has been on for over an hour.

If the device was to have a bigger capacity battery then the device would get even hotter, surly? which would cause even more issues in the long run.

I am please with my handset, for me the is no more issues on it then the were with my Trinity.

If anything is at fault then I would choose the Software (how bad are PCs to use with windows - for me just as problematic in crashing, etc.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Spawn12:
Ermmm im pretty sure someone here said that its not the battery getting warm/hot...its the qualcomm chip thats heating up...on mine its actually the bottom part of the phone that gets very hot...the battery as far as im aware isnt anywhere close to the bottom of the phone.

Actually i just checked it, took the battery cover off and the battery sits nowhere close to where its getting hot...so it must be one of the chips that reside in there. Thats why i dont think an extended battery will get excessively hot.

Put it this way the Pro version of the Diamond will have a 1350mah battery in it but its not that much bigger than the Diamond itself from what i have been reading. SO again it bamboozles me as to why HTC didnt bother putting that sort of battery into the Diamond.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] gazzrenn:
I strongly agree with this.

When i had problems with my old HTC / WM devices, the first place i look is here as the support from both HTC and Microsoft is poor.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] czbird:
So, after 12 days of experiencing constanst problems and trying to tweak Diamond, I'm saying farewell and returning it. No, there is no way back. Major issues:

- Battery

- Buttons not ment for serious work

- Sloooow (even with no TF3D)

- Weird touch screen response

- Buggy ROM's

All above is compared to my P535, to which I am now humbly and happily returning to. I'm not going to elaborate - and in fact, I don't care - whose fault it is, but this phone definitely needed months of more testing before it went public. I have learned a lesson though that all the nice numbers in the specifications don't mean anything, when the device is to really serve its owner, only real-life experience tells the truth.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] KukurikU:
my bad....sorry
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] KukurikU:
bravo! respect! "just do it"!

-WOW!:eek:

[oooff, thanks god, one less to listen complaining]

next, please!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] czbird:
I must admit that I kinda didn't understand your comment, was it meant to be sarcastic?

I think this is the proper thread for all the crying disappointed users ;)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] raphaelc:
Personnally the Diamond fits my needs. After applying the Diamond Tweaks found on this forum, I would say it does exactly what I want it to do. The only thing I regret is the memory leak, but this is not so anoying if you sometimes close the applications in memory. I agree that the software needs more testing but do you know a lot of phones on the market that small and that thin with wifi, bluetooth, 3.2 mp camera, GPS, 3G, GPRS, EDGE, accelerometer, VGA screen, push mail, FM radio, Office documents capability ? Honestly ? I have tested all of these functionalities and they do all work, even if the touchflo isn't that fluid, who cares ? Ok, HTC sucks big time when it comes to software, but I wouldn't change my Diamond for any other phone for the moment.

For the batterie issue, I fully discharged and charged mine for the first times and I have about two days of charge when using intensively, and this doesn not frustrating me for the moment.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] KukurikU:
yes! i meant to be sarcastic.

want to complain? join the team, the forum is full with "crappy/****ty/sucks/problem this, problem that. look up how ridiculous some ppl can be...somebody that didn't have a diamond declares that it SUCKS. why? he read bout it! lol!

is it useful info for anybody here that u are going to return yr diamond???

just do it! what's the drama?

there are many diamond users that are happy with their new toy and i am the proudest of them :p

look how many roms we have, look at all the tweaks and improvements.

be a man, be cool, stop the drama!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] R3PUBL1K:
Maybe what I wrote was misinterpreted .

I did not suggest the battery would get hotter - just the device. For longer to due to the bigger capacity battery. this is what i meant.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] billybobjones:
considering most phones are usually anywhere from 10mm-21mm thick... 11mm diamond to a 18mm touch pro is a big difference.

I find it ironic that a thread entitled "htc cannot be taken seriously"........ can't be taken seriously

=D
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] tiburone:
And one more... My adventures with htc started with a qteq 2020i who was great, but battery drained in a few hours and other things didn't work so good. I came back with trinity and knowing xda everithing is great. The worst is when you change to a new rom the registered programs lost their licences and sometimes is dificult to have the licences again. If it was a way to keep the licences with new roms....

it's a fact. with xda every htc is great thanks to those who make those great roms...

Thank you all
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] s1rl4ncel0t:
AAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH :D

You are so right!... This thread makes me laugh. So much non-sense in all these pages...

HastaSSSS
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] tramuyo:
I dont want a ****ing Diamond. CRAP, TRASH, SLOW... that I define it.

- slow OS

- crappy video touchflo thing

- BIGGER things (like fonts and that ****, makes me thing abt HTC and M$ guys, they didnt think about "what we are goin to do with 640x480??? is double-res guys!!! think.. think..think.. I have a idea! lets make all things BIGGER so users dont complain abt that and we can release a new 640x480 fresh start!!)

- bcoz is the 1st model with 640x480, is a piece of crap. Maybe we should wait the future for newer devices that can take advance of Hi-Res screen

- Screen responsive is SO BAD. I have to push strong, this isnt a good touchscreen

So I dont know what is the "Oh... a Diamond" posting. I think HTC and M$ should work hard, maybe a nice upgrade or something

The only GOOD thing is the size. Fits nice on pockets;)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] sunnycheng:
I dunno if you even use a PPC, but I am noob myself...and I don't agree with your comments.

>- slow OS

What does that gotta do with Diamond specifically? ALL PPC runs Win Mobile...

>- crappy video touchflo thing

Really, you can turn touchflo3D off if you don't like it, so I don't know why you are complaining about that, oh and btw, is not that crappy.

>- BIGGER things (like fonts and that ****, makes me thing abt HTC and M$ guys, they >didnt think about "what we are goin to do with 640x480??? is double-res guys!!! think.. >think..think.. I have a idea! lets make all things BIGGER so users dont complain abt that >and we can release a new 640x480 fresh start!!)

I personally find making things bigger is nice and the bigger fonts are very welcome, since you can see things clearly now, and you can press on them with your finger EASILY.

>- bcoz is the 1st model with 640x480, is a piece of crap. Maybe we should wait the >future for newer devices that can take advance of Hi-Res screen

Even a noob like me knows that this is not the 1st VGA model. Even with HTC, this is not the first. (I think the Universal is?)

>- Screen responsive is SO BAD. I have to push strong, this isnt a good touchscreen

I think you should align the screen again?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] czbird:
yep, will not continue complaining as today I'm leaving the club of "oh we are so proud crappy-brick-owners" who refuse to admit that the device just is not that good and has more serious cons that all the pros can do together... later, they may wake up ;)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] sudsboy:
not sure if you still read this or you really leave. in case you haven't leave. as of if it crappy, i don't arguge, it's personal point of view and we can't really always think alike.

- slow OS

> Turn off what you don't need and see if it still slow. IMO, this is fast compare to other WM or even symbian

- crappy video touchflo thing

> don't like it then turn it off, use different today screen or even, use standard one.

- BIGGER things (like fonts and that ****, makes me thing abt HTC and M$ guys, they didnt think about "what we are goin to do with 640x480??? is double-res guys!!! think.. think..think.. I have a idea! lets make all things BIGGER so users dont complain abt that and we can release a new 640x480 fresh start!!)

>Start --> Settings --> System --> Screen --> Text size.. and increase size to whatever you prefer. In some case, you don't even need to be here, just use the touch circle around action button and move your finger in circle, this will zoom text in email, etc to the bigger size (or drop the size).

- bcoz is the 1st model with 640x480, is a piece of crap. Maybe we should wait the future for newer devices that can take advance of Hi-Res screen

> Agree most of the first version of many things are like that, personally i don't think this is first VGA WM and i don't really have problem with screen on Diamond.

- Screen responsive is SO BAD. I have to push strong, this isnt a good touchscreen

> Not really IMO. There are discussion about re-alignment your screen with lighter touch, etc. this change the sensitivity of the touch screen. If you first alignment was hard push, it'll remember that and you'll always have to press it hard. My was accept with really light touch and i never have to press it hard.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] tomchap:
Dont agree...

Mmm so the diamonds "crappy" and a "brick" is it.

Youve just summed up a certain other brand of phone out there ;) hehe!

Ive used tons of Windows Mobile phones and I have to say that this is the best ive owned. Its slim, feels very well built, i would even say "solid", i actually find the texting even better, thanks to the BIGGER fonts and buttons, and the VGA SCREEN is very very clear.

I think the TouchFLO 3D is an improvement on the whole Windows Mobile Experience. Sometimes there is a slight lag on mine but this doesnt happen all the time and it doesnt affect the way I use the phone so im happy with it.

I can even use my phone in sunlight and compared to my Touch Dual the Diamond is a joy to use. Each to their own and everyones welcome to their opinions but I felt I had to say something when I felt the phone itself was receiving a bit of a bashing.

Believe me im the first to pipe up if something is not doing what it should but in the Diamonds case its great.

My TomTom works like a charm, i have V1.37 rom so ive not seen any bad battery issuses that other people are talking about and apart from the signal strength not being as strong as on some other phones, im happy with everything about the Diamond.

Its gonna take alot for me to change to another phone now! The Touch Diamond has made Windows Mobile phones better and more enjoyable to use for me. For sake of quoting song lyrics here "things..... can only get better" hehe!

Thumbs up!!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] firedup:
Those that may have read my previous posts on the Diamond forum will know I've already returned mine. I actually miss it, the design, size and feel of it in your hand is amazing.

When you come to use it though (with current ROM and battery) the experience just isn't so amazing that it's worth £400+. I don't think we should ignore or chastise those who have reported dissatisfaction with their phones -there are too many people posting problems with this device to argue otherwise. It's a fair bet that HTC take note of this forum, so if we all bury our head in the sand and pretend everything is fine, nothing will change.

I do accept however that there are plenty of people on this forum who are clearly very happy with their's - as with everything else it's a matter of opinion so everyone should be free to comment as they see it.