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[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] darthbane2k:
The Vario 3 and MDA Touch / Touch Plus all had windows live mobile and messenger strpped out.

The ugly magenta theme occurs in all T Mobile Windows Mobile devices and will be in the final version of the touch diamond.

As for problems with the diamond, yes there have been - but HTC have since released firmware updates which have speeded up the device and ironed out some of the problems. At least with HTC there will be regular updates. How many updates will there be for the T Mobile version of the firmware? If the previous phones are anything to go by - hardly any.

As for virgin - thanks for the tip. How quickly from porting your number in were you allowed to port it out again?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] leaskovski:
On an interesting note, I have just logged into the tmobile site to checkout the upgrades on my account, and the old MDA Compact III is on there available to me as free, with the Touch Plus being £40. My tarrif is Flext30 + WnW - 25% discount (out of contract).

So it will be interesting when this does show up on there how much it will be for. Going by what the touch is currently available to me as, I'm thinking £50?

Oh, and a naff branded TMob version isnt a worry as there will be ROMs a plenty. If you cook them, we will download. :D
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] :
I think porting took under a week - was a few years ago so don't remember exactly sorry.

You make a good point there about HTC updating the roms, I'd just flash it with a HTC rom anyway as soon as i got it anyway so may be a better idea just to get the diamond. Maybe they're waiting for HTC to do a better rom, then they'll apply their tweaks, test it and release it.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] darthbane2k:
I thinK HTC released a new ROM yesterday..
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] darthbane2k:
Im guessing around £50 too.

I have been told that it will be free on Flext 50 and above.

No idea about the Combi tariff deals..
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] :
Do you guys have an idea of how much it is worth in comparison to other phones. Like is it worth more than an Vario 3?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] mr_Ray:
I think that's all there is to it. There were clearly performance issues with older ROMs.

Of course, ROM performance issues don't explain poor communication from customer services.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] darthbane2k:
Its a much higher spec phone than the Vario 3. At a guess id say £100 more in terms of worth
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] :
It is, i'm just wondering how the network will see it, as it doesn't have a keyboard customers might see it as less of a phone in comparison to the Vario 3
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] darthbane2k:
It wont be priced less than the Vario 3. We're talking Accelometers, 4GB memory, VGA screen, AGPS...
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] :
I guess you're right.

With the expansys £42.50 12 month contract over the 12 months it totals £605

Tmobile are offering me the Vario 3 for £150, so the Compact IV will be like £200, so 32.50 on my current contract *12 + 200 = £590

So it's almost the same to upgrade to the Compact IV or cancel and signup to the Expansys Tmob contract
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] darthbane2k:
Hold on.. you're already a T Mobile customer out of contract, and the best they can offer you the Vario 3 for is £150??! Id push them some more if I were you... or perhaps its just a tactic to sway you to a 18 month contract
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] :
I havent talked to them on the phone, that's just on the website. I havent asked them by phone as i dont want that mobile.

In 12 months only 1 or 2 bills have used over the allowance so that's probably why i havent been offered better.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] darthbane2k:
The best expansys deals are as follows

1) flext 30 + w&w £37.50 per month for up to 700 mins and up to 1400 txt

= £675 over 18 month contract

+ 64.95 handset charge

= TOTAL £739.95

2) Combo 35 + w&w 42.50 per month for 500 mins and 375 txt

= £510 over 12 month contract

+ 94.95 handset charge

= TOTAL £604.95

1) flext 35 + w&w £42.50 per month for up to 1000 mins and up to 2000 txt

= £765 over 18 month contract

+ 52.95 handset charge

= TOTAL £817.95
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] :
Do you know what you're going to do yet?

The Tmob one is something like 15g lighter, that looks like the only benefit. I wonder how they've done that though as rounding corners can't save that much.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] darthbane2k:
Is it really lighter?

Good comparison article here

http://smartmania.cz/index.php?ind=news&op=news_show_single&ide=1038

However I think if I went with expansys I'll probably go for the 12 month deatl on combi 35. I only use about 500 mins a month on average.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] commodore65:
is the expansys stock with the t mobile deals grey imports still or is it uk stock with uk warranties now
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] :
I've read in loads of places the Tmob version will be 95g and the Touch Diamond is 110g. I think they said that in their original press release.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] rkde:
I have rang a few times and only been told it will arrive shortly and they have had lots of calls about them. shame the UK website does not have it yet so we can have a look at the spec. T-mobile Germany do have the phone listed though its not yet avalible apparently.

http://www.t-mobile.de/shop/handy/0,4855,2963-_10061-0-1-0,00.html

As soon as its avalible someone please let me know, I am looking forward to getting my hands on the phone and firstly removing the pink!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] :
Good find rkde, that websites states the weight is 98g, Touch diamond is 110g, thats 12g lighter.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] tomchap:
I can confirm that I started a new contract with Tmobile through expansys and I received a UK official diamond.

also UK Buyers,

Ive been following the status of the phone at

http://www.ukphoneshop.com/T-Mobile/contract/mobile-phones/MDA-Compact IV/2255/index.html

and its now been put back to the 18/07/08! This is the third time it has been put back. Wonder why that is?

The phone is stated as being 98g on here to.

(Glad I didnt wait! Would of saved me a few quid but would rather of done what I did!)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] selspiero:
Its interesting that it is showing on the german and hollan sites, and not the UK.

That comparison review - is there an english version? anyone that can translate, post any interesting thoughts.

I'm waiting. Reasons are:

1) Not having to change number

2) Its only a month. :D

the july catalog that is refered to - is this their catolog that is in the shops?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] :
The comparison website can be translated pretty well using Google Translate
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] selspiero:
blocked at work
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] dragon-tmd:
For you guys out there, i made some pictures of the MDA Compact IV and XDA Diamond.

You'll find them here.

Btw: The MDA Compact IV is using the new TouchFlo 3D Version 1.0.1630.30.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] feridoun:
Hi

Are the case housing for xda/mda/htc diamonds interchangeable?

thanks
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] ukmdb:
Can someone confirm web n walk is still unlimited with T-mobile

Just confused why expansys are selling t-mobile contracts with web n walk and only have a 1GB data allowance?

any ideas anyone?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] :
Normal webnwalk has a 1GB cap, webnwalk Plus is 3GB
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Spawn12:
And their pro package is 10gb if im not mistaken.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] mean-machine:
Theoritically it's unlimited, however fair use policy of 1GB applies. To be honest, I must say that I was using my phone as a modem connection for my PC and apart from standard browsing, I was using P2P with certainly more than 2GB a month, sometimes exceeding slightly 4GB, and noone ever sent me the warning. But my friend exceeded 5GB 2 months in a row and they warned him. I'm talking about the standard W'n'W for £7.50.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] ukmdb:
thanks for the confirmation

expansys here we come
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] dragon-tmd:
No, they are not!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] darthbane2k:
I caved in and bought one through Expansys. Im not bothering with the compact 4 due to ugly customisation, most probably slow release of firmware updates, removal of software such as windows live and even (from what I hear) Teeter!!! most of all because of the unacceptable wait.

As for changing number, like I said I was in the same boat. I currently use a T Mobile SIM only number and want to keep it. Yesterday I aquired a free orange pay as you go SIM, I requested the T Mobile number be ported to it. Porting will take place Monday. On monday I will then get my orange PAC code and port back to the new t mobile SIM.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] ansiacer:
I think I prefer the look of the MDA...but not sure I can wait long enough!!!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] :
Modaco reporting apprently it'll be out on Tmob this weekend

http://www.modaco.com/content/pocket-pc-professional-news/269924/touch-diamond-to-roll-on-to-orange-and-t-mobile-this-weekend/
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] soulkey:
I Just want to inform you that the MDA Compact IV is now available at t-mobile Germany.

--> http://www.t-mobile.de/shop/handy/0,4855,2963-_10061-0-1-0,00.html

I already ordered mine. :D
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] scoob8254:
fair use policy on tmobile is indeed 1,3 and 10gb depending on package, they dont charge you if you break these tho, but if you break the policy on a regular basis (3 times i believe but cant remember if have to be in a row) they apply a throttle on your account which screws u overand basical means you can still get on the web but is slooooow
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] :
AWESOME! *Crosses his fingers for UK release*
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] rkde:
Phoned the CS of tmobile and they are still seeing comming soon on the screen, they are saying it will be in before the 17th and the shops will not know about it till it arrives. My local shop will ring me and put one aside as soon as it comes in :)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Huey85:
I notice that the original HTC case is included in the photos of the MDA Compact IV - does it come in the box???
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] rkde:
from T mobile

MDA Compact IV

rechargeable battery Li ion polymer 900

stereo Headset

charger

USB data cable

replacement Stylus

pocket quick reference guide

display protection foil

CD-ROM with manual

and addition software

No sign of a case in the list, we will find out soon though when the UK confirm the release which should be on the website on the 7th apparently
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] tildesley:
will this be limited like previous mda compacts; ie like no wifi and stuff?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] :
It will have Wifi.

The only thing thats rumoured is it may have 128mb and not 192mb of ram but this was based on test versions of the phone. The full specs of the Compact IV hasnt been released yet
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] pen6uin:
you have got to love t-Mobile ive had 2 conversations with them today regarding the release of the diamond a nice young lady said the last quarter and a Gent said within a couple of weeks, this may have been because i was asking him questions on the fact expansys have the phone on the contract im on now (which finishes in a few days) for £50 quid but i carnt keep my number even thou its still with t-mobile,now i have read a post somewere about porting it to a payg sim and then porting it to t-mobile hmmm sounds interesting idea anyone done this ?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] :
You probably read it in this thread, someone in this thread is in the progress of doing it, i've done it previously, its a tried and tested method.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] spangelsaregreat:
Thats great, but what month does the 7th relate too I wonder? ;-)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] TDO:
The Diamond has also only real 128 MB so that make no difference.

TDO
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] selspiero:
If it is out in germany - then it can't be long for the UK... i doubt they will want to wait much longer due to the iphone release next week...
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] rkde:
I phoned Germany today and although they where not 100% sure the person stated the memory as below;

ROM: 256 MB und RAM: 128 MB

Though this does not confirm that this is the 192MB and the 128 MB which is left.

Looks like the 7th is not today?? as its not on the website, though it was on the German website almost 2 weeks prior to launch. I kind of get the feeling the only time we will know about this phone is as soon as someone gets it...

Would be nice if some of the Germans who have this phone would comment on the speicification.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] selspiero:
just spoken to t-mobile UK again, they still only see it as coming soon... i reckon it will be august now....

grrr.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Electric Monk:
This is very frustrating, I've been waiting several months (after asking in a T-Mobile shop about the possibility of an HTC Touch Cruise or similar being sold, they told me to wait until June for something). I'm definitely considering doing the number swap out/in thing and just buying a new HTC Touch Diamond from Expansys with a new contract...
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] jones23:
mine is getting shipped right in this moment. just got of the phone. the lady says it'll be here by wednesday or thursday.

but probably someone will have it by then from one of the stores. btw the clerk at the shop i was last week said the mda phones are not simlocked when you buy without contract. so if you want one instead of the diamond because of its look, you might import one.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] rkde:
Where did you get that from? I rang tmobile and they are still comming soon??
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] selspiero:
sorry, but what network are you with? t-mobile UK? where did you get it from?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] :
Just called Tmob upgrades again a few minutes ago to check and they still say coming soon, sounds like he's had a lot of people asking after the phone.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] leaskovski:
Yeah mate! Whatever you say ;)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Paleaos:
Hmmm! I just spoke an account manager of ours at T-Mobile stating "A client has been told he'll get his Wednesday or Thursday"

She still came back and said "No definate date" and she's pretty much in the know
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] feridoun:
i think he's talking about the german tmo model.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] darthbane2k:
This is what I did.

My number completed porting to orange PAYG today, and tomorrow I will have it ported back to my new T Mobile SIM.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] jones23:
sorry forgot to mention ;). yes, i was talking about t-mobile deutschland ( germany).

just checked the trace on the website and it's already with the delivery company.

here someone has already the compact 4

http://www.ppc-phones.de/punforum/viewtopic.php?pid=54169#p54169

-> no live messenger

-> no compact qwerty

-> ugly magenta ui

i'm gonna try to flash mine get the original software, when i get mine. will report back
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] rkde:
with that stunt I think t mobile recieved a huge amount of calls :) well done for your German order... shame we can't have the phones yet...
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] mean-machine:
I just need to remind you that if you buy the phone with T-Mobile directly you get £5 off every month for the duration of the contract what works out as £90!!!

Plus if you order your phone online you get additional 10% off the bill every month. In June it all plans from £35 were included, now it's only from £40 up. Just think that £35 was lowered to £27. Just add £7.50 and you've got line plus W'n'W for £34.50.

It's not at the moment, however they will probably include that plan again in August with this 10% off. If they do it'll work out £144 cheaper than contract with expansys, but we don't know yet how much you'd have to pay for mda compact iv comparing to 50 odd quid you pay now for touch diamond.

£30 flext plan however is likely to still work out cheaper with expansys as the phone is only £65 and I honestly doubt the compact iv will be less that £100...
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Mickey4U:
I manage a high street mobile store and am also waiting for the compact iv. I've got staff discount (50%) on my tariff because we sell t-mobile services. As a result my bill is rarely over £17.50 on a 12m contract yet they are still offering a £210 upgrade discount !!. T-mobile upgrades work by giving you a disount off their 'RRP' for their upgrade handsets. The more you've spent over the last 6 months of your tariff, the more discount they give.

At the moment however the market is extremely tough (hence them offering me a discount that gives almost all phones/MDAs for free despite spending very little). The moral of the story is if you tell them you are going to leave t-mobile for say orange dolphin £35 (which now includes data) on phones 4u website with 10m half price, t-mobile will bend over backwards to keep you as a customer and give you a good deal.

hope that helps you lot to negotiate, I just wish we didn't have to wait for them to get the bloody thing in stock !

Mickey
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Towserspvm2000:
Tmobile didnt do jack s**t to keep me! I was told to cancel my contract and take out a new one with the Varo III because that was cheaper than upgrading from Vario II to the III on my current contract. And that was from the guys in the Tmobile shop, who had phoned retentions for me aswell.

Considering Tmobile blew everyone else away with their phone and package prices a few years ago after they introduced WNW, I'm afraid to say that I'll soon leave them for 02, and now possibly even consider Orange.

Still £279.99 to upgrade to a Vario III right at this moment, two years after paying £80 for a Vario II....
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] smou:
hi, i'm the someone who was linked on ppc-phones.de. i got my mda on saturday. i ordered it on friday.

about the memory: mda compact 4 = touch diamond.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] selspiero:
hi mate - anything else different? no wifi i take it?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] saquib:
Can you please tell us the ROM and Radio versions? What is radio reception like ?

In fact, if it is a newer radio or ROM than the WWE version, can you dump it ?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] smou:
It has WiFi.

The ROM-Version is:

ROM-Version: 1.37.111.3 GER

ROM-Datum: 06/20/08

Funkempfänger: 1.00.25.03

Protokollversion: 52.26a.25.09U

SPL is 1.37

You see, it's an older version than the WWE version..

Radio reciption is okay. Not so bad as other people say.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] allalps:
just walked into Tmobile store and have been told August now.... :(
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] jones23:
just got mine too (charging...).

is it possible to flash the generic htc rom.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] spangelsaregreat:
Hi,

From T-Mobile UK

Upgrades - Coming Soon.

Shop No 1 - August

Shop No 2 - End of July
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] jones23:
my first impressions of the mda compared to the touch are:

- the display of the touch seems to be a little sharper. and the temperature of the color seems warmer

the stylus of the mda feels extremely cheap

btw: can i damage the phone, when i remove the battery while it's still on? (phone hung up and I didn't know about the soft reset)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] rkde:
you could on rare conditions brick the device but in general "no". Pulling the battery does no harm
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] bugeyes:
its getting closer !

ive been told to ring back on one week !

also on my relax 35 price plan it should be free !! cooool
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] leaskovski:
Now thats what I wanna hear! Im paying £30 (inc vat) on my current out of contarct tarrif, so i expect to pay a fee quid, but not much! :D Next week as well!! WOOT WOOT!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] molesza:
I was told it was coming on the 14th of july by customer service on the phone.

Any thoughts on this?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] :
I'll call upgrades now for another opinion

Edit: Remeber reading on another forum yesterday it's been pushed back till August due to problems during testing

Edit2: Woman on phone spoke like the MDA Compact IV is some obscure handset and i was a weirdo for asking about it, she said it's not on the Coming Soon section but i think she was just plain wrong, i was like "But...err...Its a Tmobile branded handset, designed by Tmobile, why would Tmobile design a handset then not sell it" and she was like "Sorry i don't have any details on that handset" ... numpty!

Anyone else want to try calling up? I never like calling twice, incase i get same person and end up with "I just told you, i haven't heard of it :|"
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] ekksman:
called today was informed that should be availe in next 7 - 10 days
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] selspiero:
i find it so strange.. they must have had quite a large number of calls on this subject - at least they could has a standard response!!

1) next week

2) end of august

3) what is it?

4) t-mobile are not selling it

5) Coming soon, that could mean upto 6 weeks

are the 5 responses i have had!!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] rkde:
Just to add to the list, I just phoned two different stores and quote "This morning T mobile announced middle of August" same response two different stores, so was there an email about it this morning? I need a new phone now and may be forced down the Orange route... I do really like the T-mobile shell though, Also the tariffs are better!

It is about time T-mobile got their finger out of their bum as they have launched it in Germany so there can't be anything wrong with the material or case and I will have one in German if they can't supply and English one.

Can we ask T-mobile to ship a German phone as part of an upgrade?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] njpollard:
Now that Orange are offering 'unlimited' data on contracts over £35 / month (£30 with online discount or £29.50 in-store with handset trade-in) and extra minutes, their tariffs are pretty competitive with T-Mobile.

I've just moved and I got 650 mins, 3000 texts and unlimited data for £29.50 per month, and the Diamond handset cost £40.

Only advantage of Web & Walk that I could see is if you want to tether your phone to a laptop, which might exceed Orange's 500mb fair use policy (and strictly speaking, they don't allow tethering either).
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] :
Tmob have a 1GB cap on standard web'n'walk so i guess its a case of how often you tether your laptop to the phone, 500mb is probably enough for 4 days or so a month aswell as usual phone usage
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] :
Good news! Just called up and said i want my PAC to go to orange and the lady said they just got an email today saying they'll have the phone on the 14th of July and to call back then for pricing.

Whoop Whoop :)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] mattfn:
MDA compact IV release...

Just to throw a spanner into the works I was told by upgrades last night that t-mobile are releasing it on Monday 14th July. I just don't see how the can delay it any longer it would be commercial suicide what with orange and vodaphone (business) releasing the diamond and o2 the iphone