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[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Comoglu:
You are absolutely right. I have been using my new Note 10+ for around 10 days now. Previously I used a Note 5 and Note 4 for more than a couple of years. Compared to the Note 4 and Note 5 cameras, the new Note 10+ is a huge disappoinmtnet in terms of picture quality, resolution and image color. Moreover, it is missing my most favorite camera modes such as the Dual Caemra and Selective Focus features.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] butchieboy:
Really sucks to spend so much on a device then have to use something other then what the device came with. Just saying. But I know someone will prob jump in here with a well if this or that comment...lol
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] winol:
Everybody is entitled to have an opinion, and to feel anything good or bad about anything, in your case, you are very disatisfied, I feel happy with this device, as many, many others do, this is just a matter of personal taste, nothing you or me say, is an absolute proof…
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Subham jyoti:
I love this camera. I have used a mate 20 pro before and clearly this is a step up. Maybe Pixels have the best picture quality but this camera is very versatile.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] edwardsiow:
Can anyone complain to Samsung to update software to increase shutter speed??? auto photo mode shutter speed slower than any previous samsung phone that i used........sad....
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] butchieboy:
Wish the would bring sport mode back
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] edwardsiow:
Agree
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] ptko15:
What about the camera do you like? I'm finding the picture quality to be less then the note 9. Pictures don't do as well in low light. Nor in action or movement sequences. The video quality is great! But pictures are not as great as they should be imo.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] norgan:
Agree. The selfie cam is rubbish with a **** tonne of noise, even in relatively good light and the low light response and quality of the main cameras is terrible.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Subham jyoti:
For me it's good enough. At the end of the day it's just personal opinion:)
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Biggenz:
Having compared it back to back with my Mate 20 Pro I can wholeheartedly say the Mate 20 Pro is in a different league when it comes to selfies and low light performance. In well lit conditions, the Note10+ does ok and I'm happy with that.

Everything else about the Note10+ I find brilliant though.

- Single tap for AOD(a feature I've wanted for so long)

- Double tap to wake

- The display!

- The battery life(although I'm chasing a battery drain problem at the moment)

- The S Pen

- The sound

I guess with all the positive things I can forgive the camera somewhat.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Magic-design:
Thing is, because the screen is such a high quality, you see more imperfections in the photo...
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] pcriz:
The phone op had before had a qHD screen, I feel like that isn't really root of the issue.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] blackhawk:
No real issues here. $1G doesn't buy much for a stand alone DSLR body let alone the lens.

Try spending $8+G then you have cause to cry.

Most times though it's the shooter's fault by not understanding the limits and capabilities of their equipment.

Point and shoot? Bah-ha-ha-ha!!!

Things ain't that simple.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] ptko15:
I would agree with the camera often turning out blurry when a subject has any movement. I love my note 10+ any everyway except for how the camera doesn't capture movement well. The Len's shutter speed seems very diminished or delayed. And even when taking pictures without movement the software seems to have a slight delay as well. Problem is this doesn't seem to be a note 10+ issues only. I have the Note 20 Ultra and it seems to have a little delay with photos as well. Which is annoying. I love both phones however. And will deal with the imperfections until I find something better.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] blackhawk:
Delay yes. This is probably a firmware issue, or could be as good as it gets.

Remember there's an AF lock on delay as well as shutter release. The AF lock on accounts probably for most of the delay.

That delay loses shots.

My 5D had a noticable shutter delay too, the pro cam very very little with the same lense. Of course the pro cam cost over 6 or 7 times as much.

Again though what would you expect from a $200-400 point and shoot cam? Not that much...

If you want a street shooter that boots in less then half a second and gets AF locks in milliseconds you need to spend a lot more than this phone costs...
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] jona_baires:
Also, this is a work oriented device (or at least note's usted to be), not a "entertainment" device.

Samsung has a lot of device, I'm pretty sure there is a phone that match your search, and if not, there is a lot of phone manufacturers. ??
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] blackhawk:
Now this is entertainment... if you can slam down 6.5Gs and another 5-8+Gs for some L glass this puppy will give you a show.

This is what the latest dedicated pro cam is and can do. They are an absolute thrill to shoot with.

Throw a good L lense like the 70-200 IS or 24-70 IS f/2.8 on and watch it go.

https://m.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-eos-1-d-x-iii-review

These smartphones are kiddie toys in comparison... they are ok. I guess. *yawn*
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] winol:
Yes, these days, people expect too much from smartphones in general, and in particular flagship premium ones, but, c'mon… smarrphones are really, really thin and lightweight, with a thickness of barely 1 cm, what would any reasonable person realistically expect? These devices are good in many departments, but photography will never be an aspect these tiny cameras would excell in
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] pcriz:
You realize this has the exact same software and "improved" camera from the S10.. is that also a work device?

Maybe if we are talking about the first like three generations I would say sure you can use that excuse but at this point it's no longer a device marketed at "professionals" and "power users". It's marketed for everyone.

It's one thing to argue that the camera isn't bad. It's another thing to argue that it's bad because "it's for work".. That's just making excuses with easily countered speculation.

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Isn't op comparing it to another smartphone? Not to a full sized camera..? That comparison keeps getting made that it's not a DSLR but ops gripes come from the comparison to an older cell phone.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] blackhawk:
They be really griping if they got the pro cam I just showcased only to realize their images were still flawed.

Bah-ha-ha-ha... learn to see as your cam does*.

The 10+ does very well when used right and within its limitations. I'm impressed with it's exposure zone metering control ie very bright/dark areas in the same image. Not to shabby... at all.

Oh yeah, turn off HDR (rich tones), try to get an AF lock on the right spot, watch where your light is coming from, compose/square off** your shot and shoot raw for the most exposure/WB flexibility.

Rapid shooting mode maybe helpful for grabbing people/animal shots (enable target tracking, yellow square thing).

Brace the phone (or yourself) on a solid object whenever possible.

Pan smoothly when you do...

Always shoot more than you need and weed out the keepers later.

It takes a lot of practice to shoot consistently well.

*The stereoscopic human eyes/visual cortex is far better than any cam overall and infinity more complex/adaptable.

** The human brain is use to 3D images not 2D.

Shots that aren't squared off are harder to view/comprehend.

Unless you have an artist reason not to square off a shot, get in the habit of doing it with every shot you take.

You even have grid lines to help unfortunately no built in level which would have been so nice... Samsung.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] jona_baires:
I was trying to continue your answer. I'm agree with you, if you want a dslr camera, don't expect to use your phone yo take pictures.

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It's not right.

The note series can have the same hardware than the S series, but be oriented to another market.

Hey! That's what samsung thinks, not me
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] blackhawk:
I was agreeing with you as well:)

For what it is the 10+ takes good pictures...
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] jona_baires:
And when I want more I use my nikon d3400 (not very pro but it works).
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] pcriz:
One it's not marketed as a business phone. Infact the Samsung partners portal for businesses using enterprise knox with extended support phones is all a year to two year old S devices. Not note devices.

My point being that claiming it's a phone meant for businesses so won't do well with photos is a bit silly isn't it when thats absolutely not the way the S device is marketed. I'm pretty sure it's marketed as having an amazing camera. And every year the note is an incremental upgrade.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] blackhawk:
Notes used to target power users.

Samsung forget their own market base are apparently.

Not sure who they're trying to target now... maybe Apple users who forgot what the 3.5 mm jack was.

On the 10+ and even on the 20U Samsung neglected the latest HD bluetooth chipset after stripping out the 3.5 mm jack... but they didn't forget to jack up the price.

The cam is the least of my bones to pick with Sammy on the 10+
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Bwyan Benton:
You do realize the biggest problem here is that from the S10 line all the way up to the newest models including the note series turning hdr off does absolutely nothing right? Off or on its still does hdr.

The biggest reason why peoples photos are coming out blurry is simply the shutter lag on there newer phones is absolutely garbage. And nothing can be done to fix it. It's been like this for so long now. You can go to pro mode and choose the fastest possible shutter speed and there's still way to much shutter lag. So for those that think pro mode solves this...you're delusional.

My old pixel 4xl that my wife now has absolutely blows the note 10 out of the water in photo quality.

And for those of you that keep bringing up dslr cameras....just stop it. There's plenty of other phones that can handle moving kids indoors without blurring the photos (pixel 4) for example. And for the price Samsung charges...it shouldn't be an issue...but it is...and it's terrible. Honestly, someone there needs to be fired, the s8 takes way better photos then all there phones after it. What they're doing now is a complete joke. People need to stop saying "well its good enough"....that shouldn't fly for phones costing you $1000 plus.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] pcriz:
I'd argue they can fix the shutter lag, but just ya know, don't.

20 Ultra did get a camera app update that people are reporting has better performance in that regard.

My personal issue with the discussions here are like you said, the oh it's good enough stance. Then you have the people going big brain on full size cameras saying it's never going to be a good as a DSLR. Well I don't think anyone here is saying that. The op and first three posts in this thread are specifically about the Notes performance compared to other mobile phones.

In my experience, I've owned the Note 10+ and iPhone 11 Pro side by side and my note doesn't compete very well when it comes to just whipping my phone out my pocket and taking a photo. All the settings and features are cool but a lot of time Im not trying to set up a photo shoot to capture something.

Same thing with my pixel, it's pictures were amazing. No pro mode, no tripods.. just point and shoot. Will there be duds? Of course. But those two cameras win a lot more than my Note 10+. That said, there is more to the phone than the camera so I always end up defaulting to android, and I use the pen for work so I end up back on samsung. But for what the competition does and the price. I think there is zero excuse for some of the short comings.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] blackhawk:
Pics look better with hdr off. Ha-ha don't see the color depth in the specs.

For those still concerned by this hdr thing simple shot RAW! Jeeeesze.

What you're calling lag is probably a none dedicated cam trying to get and crunch a lot of data to take the shot.

Bah-ha-ha-ha good to know my 10+ isn't defective.

Try shooting with a Canon 20D then cry about real shutter lag.

>As I pointed out before brace the cam on a solid object (pole, doorway, car, tree, table) whenever possible especially at longer shutter speeds.

Unlike a DSLR pro body handling a smartphone for slamming shots out is awkward at best. That's goes hand in hand with cam shake.

Poor handling also makes squaring off shots a true pain.

>Using the spen for a shutter release can help... sort of. >Learning how to hold a cam helps, wide foot stance with one foot slightly back, elbows in.

Really the only thing smartphones got over a base model DSLR body is one hell of a live view... with no level*.

*Even though it has the sensors and display space to easily do so. Sloppy Samsung... add the level feature.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Bwyan Benton:
Pics look the exact same with hdr on or off. there's plenty of threads discussing this issue.

What I call shutter lag is absolutely just straight up shutter lag. I don't care about a Canon 20d. We're talking about the note 10. Pixel phones gather a ton of info and suffer nothing from shutter lag. This is my main point. Samsung can't figure this out, which is why so many people are complaining about blurry photos. Shutter lag!

I don't need advice on how to use a camera either lol, I do this as a second profession. I'm well aware of my way around a camera system...and the note 10 indoors especially is just down right bad!

Edit* I should also point out, installing Gcam from urynx or arnova fixes shutter lag. I use that camera anyways, so it just goes to show once again Samsung is unable to figure this out with their own camera. I mean hell, just look at the reviews in the galaxy store on their camera app. That says it all right there.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] blackhawk:
Fine. Then shoot in RAW format.

Now wasn't that simple?

That is the limit for this cam's color/contrast depth if this doesn't solve the issue.

I'm however NOT seeing this issue unless hdr is turned on.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Bwyan Benton:
Sir, shooting raw doesn't solve anything with shutter lag. There's still shutter lag with raw and in pro mode. So now what happens is if you're trying to take a pic of kids indoors and you snap the shot, there's a slight delay and if they move ever so slightly your ending up with a blurry photo. It's to slow. Pixel phones don't suffer from this nor did my old P30 pro.

Now, I use Gcam mod, this fixes shutter lag. The photo is instant and look better anyways. Everything isn't just smoothed out. So it really goes to show Samsung can't figure this out (or don't care too cus this is how they want it to work)

If you're telling me hdr on and off is different on your device then I call BS. This is their software and it's the same on your note 10+ as it is mine.

Hell just go look at the ratings on the camera app in the galaxy store, that says it all right there.

End of the day, this note 10+ is still the best phone I've used....but the camera system certainly rains on my parade. Gcam solves this tho. But not everyone can figure that out.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] blackhawk:
Sir... shooting in RAW format solves the hdr issue if any.

That is the -limit- of the cam's cmos sensor capabilities.

(If the processor had applied hdr for an image shot in RAW format it can be undone or applied if you wish.

If not it's the post processing software that's to blame.)

&

I'm not seeing this aberration in jpegs when this hdr is toggled off at all though*. The cam constantly reminds me to turn it on with distracting pop ups during shooting:(

I'm seeing poor noise processing though in lower light though which is a known issue.

I'm seeing this cam slamming out good to excellent images for me on a consistent basis.

Maybe you're simply expecting too much from this minicam... jeeeezse.

* Running on Pie with the factory load cam version. Update at your own risk... could be an update causing this behavior. Not seeing it here.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Bwyan Benton:
Shooting in raw will obviously solve the hdr issue or just pro mode in general, but the masses don't shoot in that mode...the bigger issue still remains...shutter lag! How can one possibly say I'm expecting to much from the little camera when you consider the price point of the phone and how easily the pixel phones pop out much nicer images that aren't blurred because there's no shutter lag. Sure, if I'm taking normal day to day pictures the camera is fine. The problem comes indoors when trying to take pictures of moving children. Something Google's phones can do without issue. Is it really to much of me to expect similiar results from a much more expensive flagship??? Again, the culprit is shutter lag.

No specific update caused this...or the hdr issue. It's always been this way. It's Sammie's software on how they see photography. And the shutter lag exists on all there newer phones from S10 onwards.

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Oh yes, I forgot to mention, yes when hdr is off, the camera reminds you to turn it on...I see that too, however it still applies hdr even when you get that pop up. Take an image and quickly tap it to review and you'll notice it change to apply hdr. Don't lie, you definitely see it happen.

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I made you a quick video showing hdr is off...and when I take a photo it still applies hdr.

[youtube]yHILMVRhzns[/youtube]

Why don't you do the same and show us hdr doesn't auto apply to yours photos even when it's off.

Lol wasn't even thinking about it at the time, but you can even see when I hit the shutter button and then the delay of when it actually takes the photo.

Now show us yours.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] blackhawk:
Just took 2 images with it on, can't find any indication in the dozens of lines of metadata that it was on.

Maybe it's broke or something I packaged blocked.

Either way if that is what's bothering you and it's present on a RAW image, that's the limit of the cam.

8 bits of depth is all it got.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Bwyan Benton:
The proof is right on my video. It's on no matter what the metadata says.

And sorry, we must of had a slight confusion, it doesn't apply in pro mode. Or raw files. The hdr thing is annoying, but that's not what really bothers me...it's more the shutter lag. But like I said, Gcam fixes that. My main point is this is unacceptable from a phone at this price point... or their newer more expensive ones.

Have a nice day man.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] blackhawk:
I've seen it goof up vids and maybe some pics many months ago. By looking at the jpegs I'm shooting I can tell it's not on. It should show in the metadata but nothing even when hdr setting is forced applied.

No idea what's going on with this 10+.

I don't want it so it's all good.... eventually I might track down why it's behaving like this. This OS load is very stable about 2 or 3 months old.

Try shooting in RAW and use a 3rd party app to convert to jpeg. It may have something to do with the compression algorithms Samsung is using.

It saves a 16 bit dnc files.

Those with cam issues:

Clear system cache on boot menu.

Reset cam data and careful double check the new settings... all of them.

Make sure the cam app has permission to Change System Settings.

Make sure Bixby Vision and Bixby Vision Framework are enabled; the cam needs it for target tracking, maybe more?

The rest of Bixby can be package blocked as it is on my 10+.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Bwyan Benton:
The only app I need is Gcam. It solves my issues. But again, plz do a screen capture video like I did and show us yours doesn't auto apply hdr even when off. Nobody cares what the metadata says. The setting is off so metadata will represent that...but that's not what's happening with the final photo.

To everyone else, don't bother clearing cache, data or factory resetting. This won't solve anything. This is baked into Samsung software. This auto hdr on no matter what you set it to is what the regular everyday folks like seeing. This is why it's this way. People who understand more of what's going on don't approve, but the masses out number us.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] blackhawk:
HDR isn't on. No indication of it the pics, metadata... nowhere. So it's NOT on.

WYSIWYG

Clearing the app and system cache is always a good plan when you have no clue as to what is wrong...

Just not seeing that issue at all on the 10+ at all.

By the way the easiest way to spot if hdr is active is skin tones are all goofed up... and they aren't.

Black cat's fur has good contrast too...
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Bwyan Benton:
Ok man, until you post a video like I did showing it's on no matter what. I'm done with this conversation. Your going by metadata and I'm showing actual proof of how it actually works.

Ps. I did a factory reset 2 days ago when I received the one ui 2.5 update. Didn't change/fix anything within the camera.

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Some light reading for you

https://eu.community.samsung.com/t5...applied-even-when-it-s-set-to-off/td-p/984496

https://eu.community.samsung.com/t5/galaxy-s10e-s10-s10-s10-5g/cannot-turn-off-hdr/td-p/1017131
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] blackhawk:
The vid shows what? I can slam out bad images from the most expensive pro cam if I want to, no problem.

Metadata or it never happened.

I'm still running on Pie last update was 11/2019.

Not seeing any issues with this cam worth pursuing.

Another reason not to "upgrade"... oops.

I'm getting acceptable low light images at Iso 640... good as it gets for a pigmy lense/cmos sensor with this resolution. Limited light gathering ability.

Size does matter.

Want better low light images? Cool the cam down.

Operating temperature has a direct effect on the noise floor for the cmos...
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Bwyan Benton:
Oh man, with responses and ignorance like that I honestly don't know how you find your way home at night.

Have a nice day.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] blackhawk:
One image with the metadata is all it takes to convince me... don't waste my time.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Subham jyoti:
If pixels can take such good pics, Samsung sure can invest more in camera department! It's never about Smartphones vs full frame; it's a battle between smartphones. But blind fanboys will always keep.....:D