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[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] chp:
This probably should be moved to the General forum, since it isn't really Hermes specific.

With that said, I've been a Windows Mobile user for close to 4 years now. (Starting with the Audiovox SMT 5600 on AT&T Wireless.) I've also carried a BlackBerry for almost two years, and an iPhone for just under 6 months. (No Symbian OS experience)

With access to these three platforms, I can see the strengths and weaknesses of each. I think many/most of the Windows Mobile weaknesses stem from the fact that it is based on a general purpose OS (Windows CE), where it wasn't really designed to do any one thing very well. The BlackBerry OS was designed first and foremost to sync email, etc and the experience is better than Microsoft's ActiveSync (which I do use). Yet, the third-party app and browser are fairly poor. The iPhone is game-changing because the user interface and web browser set new standards. The unofficial third-party apps also show potential.

There is no perfect phone, but the competition does drive improvements. I'm a Microsoft fan, but unless they make drastic changes in WM7, I think it will be an incremental update just like WM6.1, WM6, and even WM5. (Seriously, things haven't improved much since WM2003SE.)

I do appreciate all the work that the cooks do improving what we do have; keep up the good work!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] zocster:
hmm

I have had my win mo for a month, used to have a blackberry. To me the hermes does what I need and more.

The above comments about your phone taking three seconds to do things? What pills have you been taking?

Only one simple solution for you then, go sell your hermes and get something that works for you. Dishing the hermes definitely ain't gonna help. For us that uses the hermes, will keep on doing so happily.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] carcomp:
I'm saying the hermes *IS* capable of more. I've seen it. Such as the SNES emulator? Isn't that thing just a marvel of a graphics demo? or spb shell for the user interface? How about the integration of youtube mobile into IE in the schaps roms? It just works. Why can't all of these independent things be tied together in one fluid motion (stupid analogy i know). But I have no better way to put it.

If you could break down using the hermes into the following situations...

1. Start a program

2. Use the program

3. End it and do something else

It seems like it does #2 incredibly well, but 1 and 3 are pretty lacking. Anyone agree? And what can we do?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] washi:
i really do not understand the complaints about the user interface and the handling of everday tasks you do with the phone.

there are so many 3rd party apps with which you can setup your phone in any way you want. many of them even free.

i will never give away the freedom to choose how i use the phone again.

e.g. i would hate to have an iphone and be stuck with the interface in general. (i know the third party apps are growing in numbers)

and the performance is in my opinion a choice of which os you use and how well you can keep your phone clean.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] emugpp:
I know the frustration somewhat..but since I stopped playing around with all the new-experimental-high-tech-in-development-software-ports it ran reliably and does what it's supposed to..with some responsive lags, like hanging up on a phone call, changing networks properly (it used to ask, not anymore for some reason..)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] zocster:
Again mate, you need to learn how to customize your phone to make it work. I have no time to 'learn' hence I got something 'out of the box' that just works such as CRC's ROM, the second would be Binky11's ROM, others are close but not good enough, again this is how it is for me. Different people different taste, and CAN NOT please everyone hence there are options of chefs and ROMS, and applications, paid or free.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] patp:
For about a year now, my right thumbnail has been kept long and trimmed to a shallow point. I never need my stylus. It took a while to get it right - the point has to be slightly to the right of centre, and rounded a bit with a nail file.

Also good for peeling oranges.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] emugpp:
LOL, the beginnings of genetic cybernation of human bodies, soon everyone will have a stylus-finger growing by DNA ;)

but for real, it's time they change user-interface on WM-devices to a user+finger friendly type. That's what the iPhone started to get rolling, Microsofts attitude is somewhat..take no-innovation-risk, as long as there's no competition they won't move a finger, once an alternative similar flexible as WM comes out, WM will do jumps to keep their place in the market.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] miffymiffy:
i think that first and foremost the hermes is a phone. All the phone funcions should be finger friendly and be able to use without the use of the stylus. Which can be done, but not as easily as id have liked. For the PDA part, im all for the stylus.

I have to agree with the comments you posted but i have learnt to deal with it. I have the stupid screen problem when you tap the screen it sometimes closes app ur using and opens the left softkey. So annoying!

I have used almost all roms released since i joined. I would say that i am a rom flashing junkie. I am still yet to find the "perfect" rom for me, but i am quite happy playing with others roms till i find what i like. :D:D:D
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] emugpp:
once you find that "perfect-ROM" let me know!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] kltye:
I know alot of people complain about the end call lag, but here's what I do: I ignore the fact that the interface doesn't update immediately. I simply know that the second I hit end, the call hangs up. I've tested this several times, and it is indeed the case. So once I'm done with a call, I hit hangup, then hit the hardware OK button to continue whatever I was doing (no going back to the Today screen).

As for needing to whip out the stylus, I leave my stylus at home now (so I wouldn't lose it) and have never needed to use it. Yes, the interface isn't always touch-friendly, but that's why you have the D-pad and hardware keyboard. My fingers are about average-sized as well.

Once the phone has enough RAM & ROM (think Touch Diamond), it really flies. I played with a buddy's Diamond and it's pretty darned fast.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] mike21pr:
This edit will change the time between pressing the "End Key" and actually ending the call. It is originally 3 seconds, and you can change it to any number, including 0 for NO DELAY

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE

Software

HTC

PHONE

PhoneExtendSetting <<-- YOU WILL HAVE TO ADD THIS KEY

ADD the dword EndCallTime and make the value 1000 (one second) or 0 (no delay)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] Lord_BlackAdder:
The day we find the perfect rom is the day innovation dies.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] galaxys:
xda forum, Hermes and WM Rock for me! Scalable, Configurable, Intergratable, Capatable, etc.!! That's why we are here!!!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] kaalgoosy:
Yea, my hermes is far and away the most flexible phone I've ever had so far; you can add almost whatever type of program you want which is a huge point of attraction and selling point. Totally agree with the gripes though. Freedom with customizing it is like a drug. Returned the Iphone after just a week after quickly finding out it doesn't do much at all in comparison without a jailbreak. But man is it Zippy!! The response times were so refreshing in comparison. Hopefully wm makes a serious upgrade to "zippy" up their system(even the diamond is not up to par) and take out the bugs that randomly surface daily(no volume, key lockups, screen alignment getting jacked up...). My phone is starting to feel like a part time job just to keep the random glitches out; fun at first but quickly becoming frustratingly time costly and annoying
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] pr5owner:
well if you learned how WM works, you dont even need fingers, the KB does EVERYTHING, hence the reason why WM6.1 PRO works on an HTC STRTRK (non touch screen phone)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] wreckerdude:
I'm happy?

I like my 8525. It does everything I need it to do- and then some! I think it's an awesome piece of hardware. Does it have room for improvement - sure, but I know some very beautiful women - that if I looked hard enough, I could still find a flaw here or there!

So as far as I'm concerned, nothing is perfect.

:D
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] kaalgoosy:
I wonder how long it'll take for HTC to adopt the upcoming mobile Nvidia apx version of wm since it's already up and running, cuz THIS is what the next gen should be like and will make the Iphone look like a garage door opener
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] zim2dive:
I am very grateful to the ROM cookers.. but I do think all we are doing is (as the phrase goes) putting lipstick on a pig. The cooked ROMs are a big improvement over the stock ROM, but at the end of the day, the Hermes has its limitations, and probably more than the HW, Windows Mobile has its limitations (has anything really significant changed since WM2003 on my Dell x50v.. heck I even had VGA on that).

Lots of folks report than ROMs feel fast.. I've flashed 20-30 at this point and have never felt my device be any better than sluggish.

Were it not for several policy decision by Apple (no BT tether, no real file system access for transporting files, no interpreted languages) I would switch the to new iPhone... instead I will hold off for Android and a VGA device (4x the pixels I have now, and 2x the pixels of the iPhone). Keeping my fingers crossed that Android will not be the slug of WM, and not have the restrictions of the iPhone.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] CyberMomo:
Agree for the "overal low réactivity" off the Hermes with any rom i tested.

Ok it's not drama and "3s" described it's not real for some rom.

But i repeat its still slow compare to other phone with symbian os.

400mhz and 64m of ram run like a 100mhz and 10m... :eek:

I think WM need a rework for better performance... But i don't think WM7 going in this direction :rolleyes:

Better driver from constructor, best optimisation in particularity of samsung processor, best memory usage, best priority setting for phone side off hemes besause it's a phone!!!!

but after 2 years using my hermes i plan to bye another hermes like because the power of hermes is "do what you want to do with your phone".

Who say "raphael" ???
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] DeonH:
@carcomp

I agree with EVERYTHING you mentioned! I almost threw my Hermes out the window the other day when it refused to answer an incoming call while I was listening to my voice mail. Oh, and before some of our esteemed members start with "learn how your device works" - I have tried too many ROMS to remember so it's not a user issue.

How does Spb Mobile Shell manage to provide a sleeker, smoother and more functional interface to the Hermes than the native OS itself? The problem with the Hermes in my humble opinion is that it's a PDA fist and phone second. I have never found a better marriage of the two than in my old Sony Ericsson P900, but the latter was a phone first and PDA second and there is where I believe my frustration lies.

I'm seriously considering the iPhone 3G now because it will do everything I need and I don't mind a single interface as long as it works as advertised!

So, if anyone out there owns an iPhone - I would appreciate your comments on your experience with it.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] Kevlar-Source:
Ig you prefer a 3G iphone to a Hermes maybe you should consider using a copper wire brick... Gee, this is not normal.. Get some help dude...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] Zero|Cool:
i think my hermes is the perfect PDA, although it turns off the bluetooth in standby mode, i mean the led flicks blue but other devices cant find it unless is really ON. :(
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] ai6908:
Time for you to move on to iphone forums then!:mad:
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] carcomp:
If anyone thinks the iPhone can't do more than it does, just follow this link to a youtube search for "hacked iphone"...

http://ca.youtube.com/results?

search_query=iphone+hack&search_type=&aq=f

Alright whatever the hermes isn't an iphone. Big deal, it has all the same inputs except that instead of an accelerometer, it has a stylus and some buttons. I think we can do better than WM.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] zocster:
hmmm

I honestly think you are not happy with your hermes and Win Mo in general, as I said earlier, go and sell it, get something else that works for you, it IS that SIMPLE.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] zocster:
I think you are alone there brother
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] emugpp:
Why are people flaming this much and protecting thier "pressious-WM-hermes"..it's simply a fact that WM 2003/5/6 in PC-terms is like using win95 when you should have XP running smoothly..
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] Zero|Cool:
hum... i dunno, i mean my headset can connect to the pda however other phones cant find it, which leads me to believe that when i put it on standby mode it goes into the Hidden bluetooth mode :confused:

how can i upgrade my radio? i have 1.48.00.10
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] zocster:
LOL not protecting, just common sense, if things don't work for you, sell it, run it over with a car, or even better give it away to someone that would use it to it's potential! ... like me :) do you want my postal address? :D
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] emugpp:
sad thing is, I love this thing, as much as I hate it sometimes..and in reality there's not much alternatives, it's "special" this hermes-relastionship, I'm sure many would agree ;)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] galaxys:
Agree X 2...and that was deonh 1st post! Obviously very lost...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] Mrjasjam:
Hey the device aint perfect but there isnt a better one yet.

I too would have loved for it to have a faster processor and more memory but it is what it is and through trial and error with many different roms and applications i manage to get what i need from it and i depend on it so much every day to do my business and chat with friends on messenger. It does all this well enough. I never get through a day on one battery as its flat by about 3 or 4 pm and thats without talking as i run messenger all day with the ocassional chat. So yes it aint perfect.

Im hoping Raphael wont be a dissapointment like Kaiser was. At least they have a put a faster processor into it and the keyboard opens up the right way for right handed folk like myself so i guess well just see if they get some of my money.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] thedogger:
Wow - great tip - it actually works! Why don't they just do this by default in the operating system? The 3 second hang-up lag is gone!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] emugpp:
are you sure this works on the hermes, I've tried it too..made a folder "phoneextendsetting" and the Dword with a "0" value..

I wonder why this isn't default then..doesn't make sense..also, I saw this fix in the "xda touch" wiki if I'm not mistaken..
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] DeonH:
No, not really. I had to create a new account on the forum and have been around for quite a while - started with Jasjamming's Black ROMs (remember those?) Make no mistake, the Hermes does the job and as some have said, it's sometimes a bit of a love-hate relationship!

I'm just looking at alternatives as I can honestly say that I feel it should have been better by now. With all the cooks out there the full potential of the device should have surfaced by now and stability guaranteed. This is not the case and hence my support of carcomp's statement. This is also not an attempt to flame the Hermes or those who use it, but merely an expression of those gripes we all have with it now and again. So relax and breath deeply dudes!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] VVV850:
It's obvious that many people didn't understand the topic. In my opinion, HTC is the best company in WM devices and the best choice for those who need those options. But, I have to admit that i was expecting something more reliable and more smooth running device (with the original roms WM5 and WM6, not everybody knows how to cook a rom and how to find something suitable for his device). I think that if Microsoft spent a little time optimizing the OS it would have worked a lot better, but then the hardware industry wouldn't have much to do. I mean, we shouldn't "need" to update cooked rom's (like Schap's, which I thank for it), but to experiment with it if you like something new, not do upgrade to solve some glitches and disfunctions of the original roms.

Unfortunatly, I also have to compare it to the IPhone/Ipod Touch OS. You have to admit that the OS is glued together and very smooth running but on the other hand lacks the costumisation abilities of the WM OS.

To sumerise: I would like it if the next OFFICIAL Roms and drivers nonetheless will be better developed and better integrated by the company which developes it and which we pay for it.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] zocster:
Again, this is the reason why this site comes on line, and the community is thriving.

quote from the index page:

"Since we develop software for it, we need information, and nobody seemed eager or ready to give us what we needed. So we 'reverse-engineered' the devices, found a lot of information, and shared it with the world. But as our site grew we realised that lots of ordinary users were also suffering from a lack of support. They started using the xda-developers forum to communicate and before long the forum was as much a user forum as it was a developer forum."

I still think moaning about your device (which the title of this thread explains itself) is not going to help if it doesn't suit you. Do your own research first, ask questions before you buy your next gadget. I have no qualms about my current ROM, it is fast, it is stable, and it is WM 6.1.

I have made my decision and I have learned how to use my gadget to it's potential. It is the common sense that I can not get over some people who make such claims.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] yuwan:
Hermes RAM n ROM

Hermes RAM n ROM is way too small....

Especially the RAM... my hermes always leave very small free RAM (8Mb) after a few days with only 2 programs running (Messaging n Contacts)... only 2 today plugins (device lock & Owner info)... So I always ended in restarting my hermes every few days....

Also when I use IE, sometimes it closed by itself coz the RAM is dropped below 1Mb....

They say WM7 is better and they build it from scratch so the code is more optimized.... Hope this can solve the RAM issues...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] emugpp:
the hermes really has efficient RAM, ROM and CPU..that's not the problem, the Wizard had like half of all of the specs and felt the same in normal operation! I don't know where the bottle-neck is, i suspect it's pretty much a software problem (WM-architecture)..
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] VVV850:
I am glad that you made your decision and learned to use your device to it's potential. I hope your reffering to it's original potential unlocked by the original roms WM5 and WM6. If not, please understand that I am not criticising the community or the cooked rom's or even the unlocked potential from flashing un-official ROM's. I am criticising the fact that HTC and Microsoft haven't done a great job with the Hermes. Taken separatly, yes, they did a good job: HTC => a 400Mhz Proc in a relatively small package; Microsoft => A capable and very customizable operating system. Put them together and it doesn't seem so bright. Yeah, I know, it's a start, but the topic was plain and simple: "Why does Windows Mobile (or the hermes) suck?"

I believe I didn't offend anyone with my previouse post. I was making a statement in favor of all of us and that is regarding the potential of the device itself given it a proper O/S, which hasn't been developed sufficiently by the owner instead of our community.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] carcomp:
Regarding this post... I'm not saying ANYTHING about the people's efforts on creating roms, but really aren't we just taking ROM X, adding or removing components A B and C, and re-releasing it? Where is the true development? Compare this to XP lite on the mp3car.com forum. They have gotten XP down to less than 50 MB in some cases, still doing what they need (GPS, DVD, VIDEO, and Music). Why has no one decided to hack up WM6 and see what can be removed or totally replaced with something else?

What if I don't like the contact manager? Can we just totally rip it out? I'm tired of installing "fixer" apps that supposedly replace parts of the hermes, yet those parts are still there lurking, making things work. Etc....
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] Spiderm@n_:
And you've never wandered why the phone is big like about 2 P3 CPUs or even smaller than some PII. And that's if we don't cownt 2 sticks of RAM with the size of the Hermes, a VGA card that's 4 times bigger than the Hermes and GPU that is actually bigger and stronger than the CPU itself, not to say about some heatsinks and fans, and offcourse some motherboard. Now you can devide some space for build in screen and battery, and voilla, that must give you the answer.

If you don't like it, press the red hang button, in original WM5.0 you can't close the app even when pressing the X, it was later, when you were able to make it actually close the app. But if you don't like it, just buy some Nokia with a Symbian, and you'll find yourself pressing one button 2 times, than holding another, pressing the D-Pad and another button again to close an app, think it's faster? Oh, and you'll have to repeat it even for phonecalls, or else, it'll drain your battery faster. Now let's see who'll type an SMS faster, you with that Nokia or me, useing the QWERTY, and the same Noka is with the same size as Hermes, except two times thinner, because of the QWERTY keyboard, but then, the screen is about two times smaller, so try watching a movie. As a bonus, you don't have IR, that you can actually use as a remote control, don't have Wi-Fi (especially G), it's also USB 1.1 but you'll have to turn off the phone and take out the battery, to use the card in a cardreader.

Your other option is to use just a regular GSM.

I don't know whay people always just complain, if you don't like it, don't use it, people are trying to make things customizable, so they can be liked to everyone, but then some people don't like it even then, well, try customizing a regular GSM then.