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[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] browny_amiga:
I'm trying to buy a Galaxy Note 10+ used and am confused at to what the state of rootability is. I know that unlocking the bootloader is impossible on some versions.

I'm wondering if a SM-N975U can be bootloader unlocked and if, which revisions and how can I tell which revision is it when browsing on Ebay?

I'm also checking out the international version that come with the Equinox CPU, like a SM-N975F but they are not easy to get. The SM-N975U1 seems to be a problem, but I probably can avoid it.

What is the current state of affairs? Did you boot unlock yours successfully or did you have to give up because it is impossible? I would like to hear your real life experiences with it.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] afaneh92:
SM-N975U can be unlocked on v5 bootloader or below
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] browny_amiga:
How can you tell which ones these are? Can I tell from a model type?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] blackhawk:
[Guide] How to Read Firmware Information

Hello Members, Today I'm sharing a firmware guide with you in which you can read and know about your Firmware information. Basic Firmware Information Firmware information consists of 3 information. Build version, CSC version, and baseband version. Let's suppose that firmware search result...

r2.community.samsung.com
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] browny_amiga:
Very interesting, tried to decypher it, but correct me if I'm wrong, this does not even mention revision, right?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] browny_amiga:
So for example: how can you tell from this typical (on ebay) string the revision?

SMN975UZKAXAA
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] blackhawk:
You need the build number not model number to determine bootloader compatibility.

As the link states. May be represented by a letter or number on the build number.

5th digit from the end represents the bootloader version. You can use the same or higher number but not lower to upgrade or rollback. In this case it's a "2".
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] afaneh92:
This is not a model number this is csc thing

From build number you can figure out that 5th character from the right is bootloader version
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] redderk:
If developer options have to be on, and the bootloader unlocked, to flash Odin files, BL AP ,CS, CSC, in their perspective order, bootloader, system, recovery, ...how come the bootloader cannot be changed or written in a way that the system/recovery file (AP) can be booted from an SDcard instead of the internal storage. Can the Pit file be written to in the partition as well, like a ,say, Windows PC can. They update the firmware in the CMOS from time to time on certain models??
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] iBowToAndroid:
They don't have to be on.

And it doesn't have to be unlocked.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] datfinedude:
So...I am able to see a custom os install screen on my n975u1 running a v7 baseband. I powered off my phone, held the up and down volume and plugged in my charger. Has anybody else checked into this/ do I still need to unlock my bootloader if it's giving me the option to install custom os?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] iBowToAndroid:
Can't install anything custom without an unlocked bootloader, ever, on any model
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Fly-n-High:
I can't believe this device still has this limitation. I already explained my view on this matter, but it still sucks. Oh well, I understand, but at least I can still take it to Brazil and sell it to pay for a newer model (even though its cracked).
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] iBowToAndroid:
Samsung will NEVER remove the limitation themselves.

So the only way the limitation gets removed is if a developer gets lucky, after investing many many many many hours of time and work and effort, and finds an exploit
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Fly-n-High:
Yea, since its an older phone (now), I agree. But, I'm telling you I have 3 embedded controls sw developers under me and they are really talented. Granted their work has nothing to do with phones (EVs only), I'm just disappointed.

As mentioned, I can probably get 1 1/2 times the amount it was bought for here ( in Brazil). My wife and I (she is from Salvador), take high valued electronics down there several times a year. Great side hustle, it pays for the trip and everything along the way; plus a new phone now (of course a US variant).
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] iBowToAndroid:
Maybe try contacting someone who actually does phone development as their full time job. Someone who does it full time for profit is much more likely to have more ideas, tricks, and resources at their disposal, no different than a trained licensed car mechanic will be better at his job than someone who does car repair as a hobby on the side in their garage
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Chrisrobbins30:
Is there a way to get rid of he prompt I get when I try to remotely access my N10+ via windows phone link?

Seeing as how I can't root this phone and do it my self. If I have to unlock my screen to access my phone via my pc when I might not be near my phone atm, then it kind of defeats the purpose of the whole access my phone via pc app windows provides then, doesn't it? I mean I don't have to do this if I use TeamViewer to remotely access my phone with my pc. How do

they

get around it? I even have my phone settings to not require a screen unlock code while near my homes location. But it seems just like using a Chromecast I always have to hit the start button to use it. I just don't understand how a app completely unrelated to google can do this where as an app made by the same company as the Android OS require you to approve a casting from an already approved device every single time. It's a real pain in the ass.

As much as I love my note this will be the last Samsung I will ever own.

One more question though. I know Motorola allows you to unlock your bootloader via a web site if you meet their required conditions. But what other phone manufacturer's allow the owners of their devices to do with it as they will, as Motorola does?

It's a real shame Samsung locks you out of you own hardware. I just never owned a Note before and wanted to give it a shot. And other than the lock bootloader I absolutely loved the phone. But too many time has something came up where I was restricted from doing something that needed to be done and was well within my phones capabilities but was block or hampered in one form or another by Samsung's unwillingness to let me tailer my lawfully purchased equipment to my own specific needs.

Well I'll never buy another galaxy or any other brand that practices this greedy policy. It's just too bad there are not enough superusers in the market to competitively force them into seeing the error of their ways. The Note 10+ was great, still going strong after 4 years, but I miss that freedom of having a rooted device. So as of now I'm guess I'm going to start looking for that next beast I can stick in my pocket, anybody got any subjections? But in the meantime if anyone has a solution to my original question that would be great and you'd have my many thanks.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] jacobjake7:
I got $50 whoever finds a permanent unlock method (fully unlock not just the oem toggle)
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] 0ldFlyer:
I am somewhat confused. I been reading in numerous XDA Note10 forums that the N975U and N975U1 cannot have the bootloader unlocked, but there's a site that claims to unlock the bootloader for a nominal fee; has that changed where it's possible to somehow unlock the bootloader and the bounty is no longer active?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] iBowToAndroid:
I believe the bounty is for a full permanent unlock, regardless of software version
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] blackhawk:
Welcome to XDA

Leave the firmware be and be happy, use workarounds and Package Disabler or adb/ladb edits instead. The Snaps will run very good stock once optimized.

As I understand it these paid unlockers are going in using Knox. Eventually Samsung will yank their license to use it as they are violating their EULA. In any event you be foolish to allow a stranger this level of access to your device.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] iBowToAndroid:
Uhhh, no. That's not how the paid BL unlock service works
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] jacobjake7:
"Allow a Stanger this level access to your device" literally just format it after then, but that's why your only use reputable BL unlockers...but there are none for this model....and no that's not how BL unlocking works it's very skilled developers finding bugs and vurabiluties for advantage to exploit it
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] iBowToAndroid:
Ehh. It's really just a matter of having a source at Samsung who's willing to risk their job in order to provide the BL unlock tokens.

But you are correct - no 3rd party ever gets "access" to the device itself. With the paid services, you're just provided the BL unlock token that you flash yourself in Odin
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] blackhawk:
Do what want. Ain't nothing to me...
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Limeybastard:
Yes, the legendary Kernal.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] bober10113:
His story is fantastic. Talk about making it later in life.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Limeybastard:
Dr Ketans Kernals are also nice.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] bober10113:
so are orville redenbacher's.

who i suspect is Sanders without the goatee.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Limeybastard:
The Brits prefer Otis Spunkmyers.

Back on subject, what would you do if Samsung decided in the near future to BL lock all their next gen devices ?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] bober10113:
you mean would i whine and moan about it on public forums instead of using the official venus to express my deep disatisfaction?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Limeybastard:
Purchase wise.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] bober10113:
if i were to buy a new phone, i would not buy an unrootable phone. it's my own personal policy that I do not deviate from. I dont buy then regret. I choose to do my homework before buying.. A wise purchase I'd call it.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] 117micc:
Please if you haven't done so, sign the petition in OP. I haven't seen anymore pledges for the bounty, but anything helps. Let's get this bounty up!
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Kapoowe:
$30 down. All I want is to support my developers, and use the roms I want. I buy the hardware not your stupid os. #freethephone
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] 1404zone:
This needs to get more attention if there is even a chance of something to come of this....

Maybe there should be a general petition to unlock bootloaders amongst all phones... One that would apply to more than just the owners of a note 10 plus...

Mobile phones/PC's should have the same build style as laptops and desktops. Such as a bios that is comparable to PCs with gpt style booting, and ability to boot from type c or USB ports. Because they removed all of these qualities and have put locks on the preinstalled OS. They literally created the concept of "bricking" phones. In my opinion, it is the "Company's" fault for all the phones that have been "bricked". If they included these basic features in every phone just like they do in every laptop or desktop, then not one single phone in the world would be bricked ""or at least would be rare and limited to users that are playing with the BIOS"" , even if the user is inexperienced and destroys the stock OS. They have simply removed all the safeguards that we have come to rely on. Because we have accepted this as Normal, now they can control the products they sell even after it is sold... I despise what these companies have done...
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Limeybastard:
You should see how easy it is to brick a Huawei device , and I'm referring to their non rooted devices.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] bober10113:
but it's a north americain carrier issue. the rest of the world dosen't have this problem. petition the cause, aka the American carriers. as long as people don't realise where the problem comes from, the issue won't get resolved.

if your mechanic keeps on putting the wrong oil in your car and you have problems in winter time starting, will you go after the car maker or the mechanic? the uneducated might go after the car manufacturer unfortunately...
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] 1404zone:
Yes, having a bootloader that is locked is a North American Carrier issue... But someone somewhere decided that they were not going to include basic features that you expect out of every laptop or desktop or PC . Which is the ability to boot off of a selected source independent of the internal storage ( USB/Type C). Wow, Imagine if this concept was also applied to every laptop and desktop. Imagine if tomorrow every PC manufacturer decided from now on to remove user access to the PC BIOS, disable USB booting(or just booting from any source other then internals + it's also soldered on) and remove user rewrite permissions to everything except the user land... ((((( The main point I am trying to get across is that they removed the ability to boot of off removable media, which by itself would give that person root access to the internal storage))))) which is explicitly why (in my opinion) support for it was removed. And you can't really say it's a security issue because every single Desktop/PC has built in support for booting from removable media...
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] bober10113:
but were talking about android phones and or maybe tablets but mainly android based hardware...

so the point is: devices sold by americian carriers.

not a PC running windows and accompanying subsystems.

notice how raspberries pies are android based devices and do not suffer any limitations because they arent resold through carriers.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] pcriz:
You are appealing to a very small community of folks when talking about booting from external media.

The folks willing to sign the petition just on unlocked bootloader's alone is already tiny compared to the entire mobile market but we slice it even thinner by talking about booting from external media to save bricked devices.

Nevermind directly equating the bios of a PC to the Android OS is a bit of an over simplification.

Also booting from USB is absolutely a security risk for PCs.. Thats why it's usually not recommended to leave your machine in that state and why you can lock bios.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Limeybastard:
The unlocked models sold directly from Samsung USA are also bootloader locked. Wonder why?

In any case , it doesn't really take time to sign that petition .
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] bober10113:
you tell me:

80 % of what you produce is towards carriers(your company is not American, theirs is. we all know that americian government and american companies eat at the same table when big money is involved. and canadians are unfortunate laggy copycat cousins).

said carriers have the big end of the stick. they do not want any deterrence towards they sales. if word got out that the unlocked models were also BL unlockable that would make a big hit in their sales.

speculation a side, the mere fact that the rest of the world dosen't get locked out really proves my point:

the carriers have a say in it. and in america, money is power over laws and individuals.

lets take Vodafone, i think they are big enough to rival the top American 3 right? why haven't they aswell pushed the same agenda? im thinking even if they wanted to, European laws might prohibits such actions. again,speculation but we all know carriers dont have the same supreme powers over there. just look that the history of data plans for your answer.

I believe companies have much less power in other markets/nations over user rights than in north america.

anyways all this is deviating very closely to politics and i know how that and xda dosen't mix well so ill leave it at that.

edit

and lets say we want to play devil's advocate for a minute: if samsung is pushing the locked BL for what ever reasons, why arent our carriers protecting us? why isint our government doing anything about it?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Limeybastard:
In your third paragraph you mentioned that if word got out that Samsung direct devices were bootloader unlockable, then it would effect sales of carrier locked devices?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] bober10113:
its tough to understand why carriers would be so greedy, yet i still try to understand. what's your take on all this my deer sir?

yes you! young buck.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] blackhawk:
The ones I saw wanted remote access...
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] iBowToAndroid:
Then they're likely not legitimate. The only possible reason that they could want remote access would be to verify the device's DID, which you can do yourself via ADB command.

Or possibly, they're used to having customers who can't follow simple instructions and they're so tired of the customer screwing up the process that they prefer to do it all themselves rather than deal with the headache, lol
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] blackhawk:
May well be.

My #1 rule is to leave the firmware alone if it's fulfilling its mission. This stock N975U is still running on Pie, current load will be 3yo in June. Excellent battery life, fast and very stable. More playtime, less downtime.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] iBowToAndroid:
That may well be the case for you and your device. But it doesn't apply to everyone
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] frizzdroid:
Hello, I have a Samsung Galaxy Note 10 + SM-N975U1 from Cricket in the US. I am on the fence as if to root or not. I bought my phone carrier unlocked and I just did the BYOD with them. When I put my phone in download mode it goes directly to the download screen but if I long press the Volume up button to unlock the bootloader it doesn't take me to the WARNING screen. I don't see the OEM Unlock switch on my Developers options. Am I safe to root? and if so, which method should I use? Odin, TWRP or Magisk? Thanks in advance.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] iBowToAndroid:
You can't root at all unless it's running firmware from February 2021 or older, and even so, it would require paid service from a professional business
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] blackhawk:
So they say. Samsung tech support is sketchy more often than not. Zero trust especially on boot loader updates!!!

Rule #1 - if the firmware is fast, stable and fulfilling its mission, let it be!

Firmware updates/upgrades can and do break Samsung's.

If you're lucky enough to be using Android 9 still, stay there. 10's ok, 11 meh, and after that it's not a pretty picture. From 10 it just seems to get worse. Google got it right in 14? You mean like 13, 12, etc?

Lock down OTA updates, optimize using a combination of settings adjustment, 3rd party apps like firewalls and a Package Disabler or adb/ladb edits. An optimized stock Samsung can run very well and securely if on Android 9 or higher. Any firmware updates/upgrades will cause you to have to try to find work arounds if they even exist.

Firmware updates/upgrades; make sure the perks are worth the time, trouble they will cost you... and potential lose of key functionalities!

You lose nothing critical by not doing them.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] blackhawk:
The UI customization has been a Samsung trademark. I run stock N10+'s; they run secure, fast, stable with good SOT and fulfill their mission. Personally I wouldn't risk doing anything that could change that.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] LagMaster420:
Anyone who says rooting is stupid is wrong. You need root to debloat these dumb things
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] blackhawk:
No, no you don't. You can use adb edits*. Keeping the bootloader locked increases security a lot.

On both my stock N10+ snaps I don't touch the firmware. They're too valuable and once optimized run extremely well with very little maintenance or troubleshooting.

Throw in Rethink firewall and you're good to go.

I'm still running Android 9 and 10. The load on the Android 9 one is over 4yo, coming up to 3 years on the Android 10 one. No malware in all that time, both are still fast and stable, most importantly they fulfill their mission. SOT on both is 10-13:hours normally.

The Snapdragon variant has better chipsets and heatpipe. Higher performance scores as well.

Probably runs best on Android 9 or 10, but 9 is easier to troubleshoot.

*been using Package Disabler but will eventually migrate to adb edits instead.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] LagMaster420:
Bixby counts as bloatware. How would you disable Bixby and the Bixby key? Keep in mind your OS does not allow you to do this with stock firmware. You need root to do it.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] LagMaster420:
UI by Samsung is trash btw, I have to install all my own **** from scratch. Launcher, keyboard, etc. Downloads almost 10GB of useless bloat trash upon factory reset lmao. Can't say I like Samsung.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] blackhawk:
Easy, adb edit or Package Disabler.

All these are disabled.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] blackhawk:
My stock optimized N10+'s run very good. Fast, stable with great SOT.

I use the Android 9 and 10 OS versions.

I like the Samsung keyboard and the UI on these a lot. All mods are done with Samsung Galaxy Store apps except the clock and EnergyRing.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Limeybastard:
Ooh young buck. ? I'm blushing now.[emoji4]

My point was many say that unlocked bootloader won't effect sales hence they don't care. Yet if Samsung sold their direct from Samsung USA devices BL unlocked then it would effect sales?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] bober10113:
but you speak of a practice in a market that only exsist in north America.

we cannot compare to any where else. so my point is that they are maybe forced to unify their devices. again, if carrier and fcc walk hand in hand, would you not want to have the same limitations on all the devices to not raise suspicion? and again if it were unlockable on non carrier bough devices, it would mean losses in carrier sales. plus these devices would inevitably end up on byod carrier lines. so lol come on isint it obvious enough? carriers want nothing of it. samsung just want to sell devices. so they catere towards the 80+ % of sales: carriers

business is business. companies are there to make money. isint it time that laws and regulation actualy do something for the end user instead of forcing us to choose from the same hand? we need to petition regulation. we need to make our own companies pay for what that make us go through. and most of all we need to make the government aware that we know about their shady deals.

vote alternative.