yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] whk:
Sorry that you thought it was condescending... It was not meant to be. BUT - you asked if you can brick your phone and if you had read it would be OBVIOUS to you that you CAN brick your phone as there are many sad tales of those who did not read or had other issues.

There is NOT a lot of controversy on HARDSPL - please read the thread on that - you will find that a lot more is known about it now and there appears to be resolution - you need to know which HARDSPL to load for which ROM you are loading and you will be all set.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=396922

The ROM choice is yours and you will have to play/read and try until you are happy. Opinions on ROMs will certainly vary. YOUR opinion will be the only one that you value.

The TEST VERSION will NOT work with full maps - you will need to purchase a full version if you want a TOMTOM that actually works. Not sure how to say that more clearly - if TOMTOM was stupid enough to give you a test version that worked the same as the full version why would ANYONE purchase the full version?

YES - there are HACKS out there that will allow you to circumvent their scheme to make you pay them money - but that is stealing and you would not do that would you? (One of your other posts I think made a great show of how all the software you had was legal and purchased - you would not want to start down a different road now would you?) ;)

Bill
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] BillTheCat:
Ok, but is the core code and feature set the same? Is the "tasting" referring only the map size? IOW, if I were to buy the full US map, does Taster+ENTIREUSMAP=TT6? Or would I be missing something?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] BillTheCat:
No harm done. Just didn't sound quite right at first read.

I guess I just didn't get far enough along in that thread yet. There are more than just a few posts. :D

I think you may be mistaken on the TomTom issue. It's a 'tAster', not 'tEster' version. I think what they've done is to give the core program but charge for the map only. I'm on hold with TomTom as I type this and will get back to you guys once I have an answer from them, or if I don't get a clear answer from them, I'll contact HTC directly.

At the end of the day, I'm in a 'holding pattern' of sorts. I don't want to invest a huge amount of time installing and configuring software for the current ROM implementation only to have to do it all over again with a redacted version.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] whk:
Taster tester...toMAYto toMAto - Quite sure that I am NOT wrong and that you will want to get the NAV6 full version. but - no worries. I think that you will also find (as others have) that TOMTOM tech support and HTC support on this issue are as useful as a third navel (the first navel was useless...;)) If you can purchase the full maps and have them work with the TASTER version - not sure about that - but you are going to pay for the full version of the maps the same as if you purchased the full version of the software including the maps - I think anyway.

From what I have seen the AT&T stock ROM was pretty good - I actually liked it. I upgraded to the DEATH ROM because it was AT&T based and looked like it had some improvements that I thought I would like - version 4 I upgraded to last evening.

Personally - (I have not run any of Dutty's or other ROMs) the DEATH ROM rocks.

1. fast

2. stable

3. hesitations gone

4. fast switching

5. radio clear and flawless

6. bluetooth works a treat on three different sets that I use regularly

7. fast connection on GPS

8. using the 3.5 dialer (the version 4 dialer is sad in my opinion as I like large buttons) the phone is awesome

9. email works a treat

The only "bug" I have at the moment is the crazy screen going off on me when I am on a phone call - and the chef is looking at that.

My recommendation -

1. upgarde your current ROM to DEATH 4.1 and

2. purchase full version of NAV6 from TOMTOM.

Pretty sure you will be happy camper.

Bill
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mrjellybaby:
I am using the TomTom 'taster' version supplied with my Kaiser quite happily with a full version of UK & Ireland map with no problems :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] BillTheCat:
Wow. You're not kidding about support. On the phone now with a guy at HTC and he was insisting that GPS was a service provided by my carrier and became rather belligerent when I suggested he was mistaken. What an idjit. I disabused him of his notion and we're still delving into this. I asked him to please confer with one of his colleagues. Stay tuned. This is getting more interesting.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ChumleyEX:
Well I didn't program it so I can't say if the core programing is the same but from what I've seen it's just the fact that you don't have all the maps.

How was your first Naval useless, didn't you get fed in your moms belly? I'm sure that was useful.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] BillTheCat:
Bill (and everyone), I have an update on the TomTom issue and some followup questions.

After speaking with both TomTom and HTC, it seems I was right, "Taster"+USMAP=TT6. Yes, you get some utilities like PC based map loaders and managers on disc if you buy the shrinkwrap version, but they're also downloadable from TomTom directly. The program itself really is TT6, and I verified as much because I've seen and used TT6 on my HX4700 previously.

Now, on to ROM upgrades.

I read the thread on SPL and ROMs. My hair huts. First, permit me to clarify a base assumption that may be incorrect. Bear with me, because I'm thinking out loud here.

My understanding of the primary purpose of 'cooked' ROMs is that they're an opportunity to have redacted software set, meaning that a smaller ROM = smaller RAM footprint, leaving more space for storage and operating memory which should conceivably enhance performance. Another benefit is having patches or driver updates loaded on the unit that are better than the OEM version.

I guess the things that I could do without are these below, but I'd welcome discussion on the relative merits of each:

- Getting Started (A bit late for this now!)

- SMS Service (Wouldn't FlexMail do just as well?)

- Windows Live (Do you really need this?)

- Voice Speed Dial (MS Voice Command instead?)

- File Explorer & Zip (Both these are handled by Virtual Explorer)

- Windows Update (If it worked, would we be here?)

Because I have so much already invested in PPC software, I tend to think that I'm better off with a very minimalistic ROM version and install what I want. Or am I misunderstanding the concept in thinking that a smaller ROM will return greater storage/runspace for programs?

I guess what I'm getting at, is that if the above things that I'd remove don't consume any appreciable space, then can I not achieve better perfornamce with only an upgraded SPL?

Help a dumb ol' boy out, here.

<scratching head>

Thanks!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] whk:
Naw - the UMBILICAL CORD was useful - the navel is totally useless - a SECOND one would be more so and a THIRD navel - well - 'nuff said!

Bill;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] whk:
So - to see if I understand -

The full package costs MORE THAN the taster plus the full maps?

Bill
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] BillTheCat:
Yes, because the 'taster' version is free, bundled with the phone. It's a common marketing strategy.

I'm sure you've seen it before with other software. Take the case of current PPC software - you get the trial version of 'x' backup program that limits you to 'y' meg of backup, but if you want the full version, just pay and get the registration code to unlock it. The code is the same, there's just a flag that limits it. In this case the limitation on function is simply the size of the map. With TomTom it's the MAP that's protected and requires an unlock code, not so much the program itself.

As I said, I've confirmed by installing the 'taster' version and using a sample map. Having used TomTom 6 on my HX4700 extensively I can tell you that there is nothing missing in this version here at all, except the size of the map. To obtain other maps, it looks like all one has to do is to (pay for and) download the map you need.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ChumleyEX:
dude that was the socket for the cord, if there was a second cord them maybe you would have gotten better food, etc etc.

This is a very worthless thread. lets argue about the taster, I already told you the dif about 6 posts ago.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] xboomer55:
It's a DEMO. Tom-Tom intends to sell you the working software if you like what you "taste" while using the demo. What is it that you don't understand regarding Tom-Tom, marketing strategies and how they apply to you?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] BillTheCat:
How is it that you come by this informaton?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] troyk:
Geesh, is it so difficult to understand.

I would recommend something like a bay for pirates and look around for TomTom 6, this way we're done with the chit-chat about 'tasters' or 'testers'.

I myself , ofcourse, bought TT 6.0 legally :).
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mugglesquop:
i find a 'mini nova' quite good for finding information about TomTom... ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] BillTheCat:
Apparently it is, for some of you. I have no desire to pirate software, and I resent the insinuation. Perhaps unlike you, I rather like the notion that I can possibly wind up with the same product and save money at the same time.

I'm very happy that you bought your copy of TomTom; I'm sure you're very proud. Remind me to put a gold star on my refrigerator door with your name above it. In the meantime, if you have nothing intelligent to add to the thread, please don't clutter it with sarcastic, useless replies. If you feel compelled, perhaps you can focus your considerable talents to answering my other question regarding ROMs so you needn't waste your valuable time on TomTom issues.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] denco7:
Sources !? A definitive, insulting statement, from a junior member with 19 posts. Considering:

A much more respected senior member

And HTC and TOM TOM have both said you are wrong. What are your sources please.

I've wondered the difference my self.

P.S. Bill the Cat, A little advise to the newbies, you need to have a little thicker skin and ignore the " trollers " to function around here .
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ChumleyEX:
Who you calln respected? Lol

I still don't see how this thread made it this far.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] BillTheCat:
The second first, if I may. It's not my skin that's too thin, but my patience which becomes a tad threadbare. I'm too damned old, too damned tired and too damned cranky to deal with silliness from those who sound like they must be teenagers. :D

Now, onto your TomTom question.

Sources:

Telco w/TomTom

Telco w/HTC tech support

Post #5 in this thread on MoDaCo. There are other similar threads on boards across the 'net implying the same.

Personally used TT6 on HX4700, installed 'taster' version last night with limited map, looks just like what I've seen before.

No stated upgrade path or pricing to migrate from Taster to TT6 is an artifact that it is the regular version sans map.

I have an Email out to HTC corporate to clarify once and for all. The easiest way to find out would be to just buy the full US map for $70, but I just don't have the patience, time or energy to chase down a refund if my presumptions and information is incorrect and I do in fact need the full v.6 of TomTom to use it.

Stay tuned...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ChumleyEX:
O M G!!!

Dude, get the free tomtom taster, then if you need more maps, then go here

http://www.tomtom.com/products/maps/index.php?Lid=4

and buy them.

Maybe read how others have done this. (this is an old topic discussed almost a year ago)

http://xdaforums.com/archive/index.php/t-327917.html

http://xdaforums.com/archive/index.php/t-345856.html

http://xdaforums.com/archive/index.php/t-330235.html

So considering the OP questions have been answered several times, lets move on from this redundant thread.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] whk:
I think that I paid $90.00 for TTNav6 in a box - shipped - got a CD and a cable etc. . . They also have now given me two free upgrades to the latest versions of the maps.

For $20.00 - I would take the full version. I guess that was my original point i tried ineffectively to make.

They also took all my voices and validated them to my new machine (I gave my 910 to my daughter)

Bill
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] BillTheCat:
Bill, that's valuable insight. Perhaps they have different policies for different methods of purchase. What was the timeframe of upgrades to your maps? Did they happen within the same year, or has it been over a longer period of time.

Also, where / from whom (what merchant) did you purchase your copy?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] whk:
1. It was within a year - I called when they released the latest version of maps and whined a little bit and they without much effort at all said - I will send you the latest maps.

2. I BELIEVE that I purchased it from Amazon.com but no guarantees with that. My wife is out of town and keeps all our receipts. ggrrrrr. .

Bill
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] BillTheCat:
Gotcha. That gives me something to go on.

Do you have any thoughts on the question I posed in post 15 regarding the ROM?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] BillTheCat:
And you're doing your part to help, it seems. :eek:

I guess you missed the part where I was also asking a question about ROMs. That was your chance to show us how it's done. Looks like you missed your moment in the sun. :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] P1Tater:
Agreed. Most, if not all of your questions could have been answered with a search. Then if no answer was found, posting a question in the appropriate thread would have yielded quicker results.

There is plenty of TomTom threads to go around. We didn't need another one.

SPL is just that, an SPL upgrade. No more no less. There will be no benefit unless it is a 6.1 rom other than making your phone able to flash cooked roms.

I suggest a "lite" rom, install what you want, upgrade the SPL to one of the new ones if it is a 6.1 rom and enjoy.

Thank you for understanding.

THREAD CLOSED
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] P1Tater:
Here's what's up. The OP felt as though I have wronged him/her by closing this thread. In the act of fairness, I decided to open the thread to give him/her a chance to continue this conversation. That being said, I feel as though the questions have been answered to the best of everyone's abilities.

So, please, let's try to keep this thread on track. If it goes off track again, I will have no choice but to close the thread as I feel it should be anyway.

@ the OP,

Please understand why I closed the thread originally. I have a feeling you will understand shortly.:)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] BillTheCat:
LOL! No problem.

Guys, let's focus on the pending question, and I'll be on my way.

1) TOMTOM: Just got a clarification from HTC corporate. On the UK version of the product, TomTom 'taster' is included along with three other complementary software packages. I am correct, that Taster+USMAP=TT6. Period. From the horse's mouth. For those who purchased versions of the phone, there are varying presentations and contents contingent upon carrier and importer. See below for a box shot.

2) Will someone please address my ROM question posed in post 15? I may be operating under a mistaken notion that a 'cooked' ROM of smaller size will be of significant benefit to me, when all I might need is SPL to address the hangs.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] P1Tater:
yes, spl will address your hang ups if you are happy with your current rom.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] JimmyMcGee:
Of course Bill would have found that out if he would follow the customs and common courtesy of our forums.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=394839
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] BillTheCat:
And of course you'd know exactly where to look when you're a newbie and overwhealmed with so much information that you don't even know what terms to search on. Until yesterday SPL were the first three letters in 'splain, Lucy.

As it is, the 32(!!!) pages in that thread are enough to make anyone pull their hair out. However you've still not answered my underlying assumption (correct or not) about memory utilization.

But thanks for the sarcasm. I was beginning to feel unloved. :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] scotchua:
on those type of issues the answers are usually updated in the first couple of posts, as the OP usually will update with new information as it becomes available, but it definitely is a little overwhelming when you are starting out. Lots of reading before you do anything, but it definitely gets easier as you learn how to find what you're looking for.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] JimmyMcGee:
NO offense to you. But here's a tissue. :D I don't want to sound harsh but, When I started reading _Alex_ had not done the great sticky Roll-ups, P1Tater hadn't cleaned up the Kaiser FAQ Wiki to be usable, SkunkyGwen hadn't made GWENI yet.

So I HAD to read all 100 pages of Dutty's Posts to learn about his ROMs. I read the Whole HardSPL thread. I'm not complaining, it mad me a more knowledgeable person. Thats why I get a little aggregated when people say, "I don't know What to search for." I know its Hard, But I learned so it can't be that hard.

Also, you now know about GWENI, the Kaiser FAQ and Alex's Roll-ups. So Use them you will find and learn a lot. I'm not against you asking questions, just in the appropriate thread.

By posting your question in the appropriate thread if someone else has the same problem as you, they won't be looking at this Thread. They will be looking at to Relevant thread. And this way even the most newbie of newbies can contribute. :cool:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ChumleyEX:
/Chear /whistle /chearmore /whistlemore

Always thought the thread stickied to the top of everything forum saying (click here before posting), was sort of like a bullseye when trying to figure out where to start.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] JimmyMcGee:
A little something like this?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] BillTheCat:
Ah. I see. So the operating theory around here is "Since I had to suffer through this agony, I'm gonna make you do it, too." Whatever.

By the way, I think you meant "aggravated", not "aggregated". And Chumley, I think you meant "CHEER".

Nevertheless, y'all are still wrong about TomTom. :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] denco7:
I am going to prognosticate ( did I make any inadvertent typos ? ) , this thread is closing soon and you can pretty much kiss off any more help from two of our best and most knowledgeable contributers.

Hope you have no more problems with your phone.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DaveShaw:
Now now guys. No need to get upset. (8. Stay Cool)

You asked questions and they got answered by a couple of people. The TomTom discussion kept this thread alive.

If we are just going to start nit picking at each other then someone should close this thread before it turns into a pi$$ing contest. Nothing more will come from this.

And in regards to you first post this is xda "developers". I find you understand things better when you take the initiative and learn it yourself, rather than been spoon fed. But that's just my opinion. :)

Dave
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] JimmyMcGee:
Yup that's the theory. I'm not the only one who thinks so. :)

Your not wanting to search and being displeased with the "I had to learn it, so should you." Is silly. That's like telling your math teacher, "Hey I shouldn't have to do this homework. you know alegebra, you tell me the answer."

Here at XDA-

DEVELOPERS

it's not about the answer, its about the journey.

Actually I did mean aggregated! Definition: 1 : to collect or gather into a mass or whole. I gather in to a mass.

And I agree, I am probably wrong about TomTom, because I don't use that program I have a better one. :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] BillTheCat:
Yeah, I'll buy into that to a degree. I'm also a 'regular' on a particular cigar-related board, and we more or less have the same kind of thing happening there. But sometimes some things are not quite so apparent as the regulars think they are. Searching on a given term or terms resulted in weeks worth of information, contraditions and work-in-progress. It's often a courtesy to just answer a question and put us out of our misery sooner, rather than later. :D

That said, I'm strongly considering just cooking my own ROM, but still uncertain if the ROI is justified. I have less time on my hands than those who make this a hobby. My pastimes are firearms, 2nd Amendment advocacy and when I have a little time left over, smoking cigars with friends.

I'll show you mine, if you show me yours. :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] JimmyMcGee:
*cough*Avatar*cough*

Yeah if you've been around enough you get some of the nuances. But Case and Point is your search experience, But not posting in the correct thread we get all those other useless threads that match the key words.

I won't say out loud was GPS Software i'm using. But if you ask I may tell you on the side.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] amkaos:
understanding regulars gettin PO'd about lazy ppl not searching first,

i also think its condescending to point to a thread 6months old w/hundreds of posts.

to tell us new ones to learn the hard way is not like telling the teacher to do my homework, its like the teacher telling us to go to the library and learn all the trig to pass his upcoming tests..

its like a girl going to a dojo and take beatings to learn self defense..

its like--NM..

threads should be cleaned up to contain only relevant posts...]

on and on..

impatience is arrogance.

im gonna ask lotssa "stupid" questions

thanx for you help
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] BillTheCat:
Well, from one BOTL to another, the problem is that I did search, but didn't find the specific answers and some of the replies here have been less than accommodating.

My intent was to pose a couple questions for my needs to consolidate, and be done with it. However some folks took us down the garden path.

And while I'm at it, I might as well add to the hobbies: marine aquaria, music, high end audio, Freemasonry, and other interests too numerous to list.

That said, I still have some unanswered questions, but that'll be for another thread.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] JimmyMcGee:
To be honest with you Bill. I never read your questions. I came in a saw that Tater had closed then reopened the thread. And I Started there.

But The fact still is a little searching would have got you your answer. Would have taken some research. But At this post it's moo. You know a cows opinion. Which is "moo."

But if I've come off as a Jack ass it wasn't directed against you. It's just frustrating to answer the same questions time and time again. :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] BillTheCat:
Uh... would that be 'moo', or M'oo, which one would add to Coffee?

FWIW, here's the problem I had with the search function to get a straight answer. After deciding that I could live with the existing ROM, all I wanted to confirm today was which SPL I'd use for the HTC WM6.1 ROM.

"SPL for 6.1" returns:

"Which SPL 6.1" returns:

Well, then, we have a dilemma. It's too long or too short. That sure covers a lot of daylight. Kinda like searching on which is best; 65% or 70%. Like you, I've seen it hundreds of times. But I still answer it anyway, or go on my way. I figure if I can't help, I might as well not distract from the question. I'm neither lazy nor stupid. I just like to have a basis by which to proceed and clarification on certain nuances. I 'spose it all depends on what kind of a community you want to have and how new folks are greeted.

Moving along, I just flashed 3.56 anyway. Got tired of second guessin', so's I just took the plunge.