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[TouchPad General] HP_TOUCHPAD:
I already posted previously, here is again: ( each number is one step to do )

1. Charge battery to 100 % in Android

2. Take screenshot of 3C BMW Status

3. Boot into WebOS Recovery

Use novacom

( enter the command chg battery, instead of battery status ) take screenshot

( reboot by entering reboot )

4. Boot into Android, open 3C BMW ( Status) and take the last screenshot.

Total of 3 screenshot and you are done !

Two screenshots of 3C BMW

One screenshot of novacom terminal.
[TouchPad General] smithylovestouchpad:
You all might want to have a read here for info about BMW. In the mean time, I had to reinstall BMW and lost all data, so waiting for the app to accumulate enough data to provide stats.

https://www.3c71.com/android/?q=node/5

Looks like to me that the "Calibration" tab tells the real story about a batteries capacity. Like I said previously, BMW makes it's calculations based on accumulated data, not just installing it and taking a reading and comparing that to a Novacom reading that takes a snapshot at the time you ask it to. How can a instant snapshot reading accurately report a battery's health and capacity? What does it base that readout on? I personally don't buy into it.
[TouchPad General] HP_TOUCHPAD:
The only screen that is need it is the Status screenshot, there is no need for any data. Do not waste time providing vapor numbers, also do not run any Calibration, that will degrade battery life enormously.

Charge the Tablet to 100% and provide the three screenshot requested, that's all.
[TouchPad General] smithylovestouchpad:
You really don't understand the function of BMW. The Calibration tab is not doing any calibration. It is providing information about the health/estimated capacity of the battery based on data it has gathered over time. The Status tab is providing what the current capacity of the battery comparing it against the rated capacity of the battery. So a 6300 mah rated battery charged to 100%, is going to show 6300mah on that screen. If the charge is at 88%, then the Status tab is going to show 5544mah. The calibration tab is going to show you an estimated battery capacity based on data that BMW has collected over time.

I just dug out my "good" TouchPad and need to charge it up to 100%. Then I'm going to load you up with screenshots. It has sufficient data that you will see what I am talking about. And by the way, I don't believe in the so-called calibration of a Lipo battery by discharging it until the device auto shuts off and then charging it to 100%. I agree, does more harm than good.

BTW, did you even read the link I provided? And here is another link for BMW on XDA. Why don't you go on there and tell him what you think of his app?

https://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=905999
[TouchPad General] HP_TOUCHPAD:
All Battery Apps in Android works the same, it gets the info from Android.

Provide the screenshot as requested and I will present the final evidence, then we can debate. There is no point discussing with insufficient data.
[TouchPad General] smithylovestouchpad:
And where do you think Android gets it's data from? Android does not make it up. It gets it from the device.

Did you even read the links I provided? You might learn something. Why don't you go tell 3c what you think of his app.

I would like to listen in on that conversation. You seem to like to argue so much with us. Why don't you take that argument to someone who knows a whole lot more about battery measurements than you.
[TouchPad General] HP_TOUCHPAD:
The HP Touchpad is a very unique device and is not a true Android. I can not debate on a thread using a device that provides superior support for battery than the others.

I will provide all the TRUE facts and evidence, but I need your data first as proof.

Why is it taking you so long to do something you already have done with other tablets?

Does it really take that long for 3 screenshots?
[TouchPad General] smithylovestouchpad:
Exactly, the device reports it's status to Android and in return is reported to the app.

I told you before I had to charge the TP up to 100% as you requested.

You know,for someone who says he is just user and not a developer, you sure claim to know a lot more than everyone else. Where is your proof of all these claims.
[TouchPad General] smithylovestouchpad:
Step #1

BMW
[TouchPad General] smithylovestouchpad:
Step #2

Novacom
[TouchPad General] smithylovestouchpad:
Step #3
[TouchPad General] HP_TOUCHPAD:
A developer; develops, create something new for the end user. I have not created anything original or added any line of code.

Any user is capable of providing proof of all my claims, which I will make reference with a link and how to for every single one.

The user can only do it, if is willing to think out of the box and learn.
[TouchPad General] smithylovestouchpad:
There you go, there is all your screenshots in spades. Remember what I said, you don't understand how BMW works. But the screenshots I provided show it is doing it's job admirably. You still have not answered the same question I have asked twice. Have you read the two links I provided?

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Something you are not willing to do.

You better be able to explain how the A6 controller can calculate the health/capacity of a battery that it 9+ years old without having the various data that it needs to make that calculation.
[TouchPad General] HP_TOUCHPAD:
Finally the data is available, I need to work on it and put it all together. Then you will finally have the opportunity to learn how all of this works., but once more you will denied it and go back inside your 6 walls.
[TouchPad General] smithylovestouchpad:
No, the correct English is "once more you will deny it" And what did I tell you about the "BOX" references. GROW UP!!!!
[TouchPad General] HP_TOUCHPAD:
Palm A6 charging controller

The Palm A6 charging controller is use for the 6000 mAh Lithium Polymer battery.

Lithium-ion Battery:

They require a protective circuit to limit peak voltage.

The battery pack of a laptop computer, for each lithium-ion cell, will contain

a temperature sensor

a voltage regulator circuit

a voltage tap

a charge-state monitor

a mains connector

These components

monitor the charge-state and current flow

record the latest, full-charge capacity

monitor the temperature

Their design will minimize the risk of short circuits.

Click HERE for the information source

This is the actual A6 controller that is inside at the top right side of the battery pack.

A6 controller with battery that connects to the Tablet motherboard.

Obtaining all the battery data from the A6 controller using the Bootie:

Bootie is the stage3 bootloader of webOS devices. It is unpacked from the end of boot.bin, and loaded to **0x82000000** in memory. Bootie looks very similar to iBoot from the iPhoneOS devices.

Getting into bootie mode is as easy as holding the volume-up key while plugging the phone into USB while the phone is in the "off" state. The novaterm/novaproxy programs can then be used to talk to bootie.

Click HERE for the information source

The novacom driver on PC is use to communicate to the Bootie and get the battery information recorded by the A6 controller:

novacom -t open tty://

chg battery

present = 1
authentic = 1
percentage = 100
voltage = 4069920 uV
current = -933281 uA
temperature = 30
capacity = 5508800 uAh [COLOR="Blue"][SIZE="3"][B]the latest, full-charge capacity[/B][/SIZE][/COLOR]
chg battery command returned 0

The Battery Capacity is the most important information, unfortunately the Android Kernel for the HP Touchpad does not get this data.

Instead the driver A6, provides the original as new capacity of 6000 mAh when the battery is 100 % charged.

How to get the battery capacity in Android that is use for all battery monitor Apps, example 3C BMW.

On PC using adb shell or terminal command in Android.

dumpsys batterystats | grep "Capacity:"

To get all the info:

dumpsys batterystats

All Battery Monitoring Apps read the data from Android and post it in a graphical interface:

Android Battery Health meaning

health [1/2/3/4/5/6/7] => represents battery health

1 => health unknown
2 => health good
3 => health overheat
4 => health dead
5 => health over voltage
6 => health unspecified failure
7 => health cold

Click HERE for the information source

To get the battery information that all Apps use type in adb shell or terminal:

dumpsys battery

shell@tenderloin:/ $ dumpsys battery
Current Battery Service state:
AC powered: false
USB powered: true
Wireless powered: false
Max charging current: 0
Max charging voltage: 0
Charge counter: 0
status: 5
health: 2
present: true
level: 100
scale: 100
voltage: 4027
temperature: 360
technology: Li-ion
shell@tenderloin:/ $
[TouchPad General] DoubleStuff:
Is that supposed to be 600 mAh or 6000 mAh?
[TouchPad General] HP_TOUCHPAD:
Fixed to 6000 mAh, thanks for the correction.

Did you find another interesting trick?

I just learned about it while getting all the info.
[TouchPad General] DoubleStuff:
I am going over all your information now, what kind of trick do you learn?

Also what are you going to give us more information from Smithy's screenshots?
[TouchPad General] HP_TOUCHPAD:
The WebOS Recovery is actually in the correct Palm terms the "Bootie Mode"

There is a lot more hidden secrets that can be uncover with the screenshots that I requested from Smithy.

But other info from Android is need it to make a fair comparison and I was not going to keep asking for extra info, it would take more time to get the basic point across.

From the screenshot provided by Smithy, the differences are noticeable.

In my opinion the issue with the hard coded 6000 mAh into the A6 driver has created a lot of issues with the battery.

Users are not aware of the true capacity of the battery and flashing the Toolbox A6 firmware does not reset the battery to the factory original state of 6000 mAh.

Imaging all the users with the Tablet driving around in a car with a faulty fuel gauge.
[TouchPad General] DoubleStuff:
In your opinion what does flashing the A6 firmware do from the TPTB? I am going to read an old thread by JC Sullins and find out more, but some people have been saying it "....it reflashes your battery to a 'as new state'... " but I think that is erroneous. But it must do something good, because JC Sullins created the button for it. But I think once the battery is at lets say 70% capacity there is nothing a person can do to make it go back to 100% capacity. But if the battery is like using -50 mA ( as per 3C BMW History ), a user can flash the A6 via TPTB and it will go back to using more like -7 mA. ( in the sleep state )
[TouchPad General] HP_TOUCHPAD:
The "minus" -50 mA is the current, it changes and is not suppose to be the same all the time.

If you have a Wireless charger " Touchstone" is very easy to test.

Run "chg battery" take screenshot, load the Toolbox and flash the A6 firmware. Run "chg battery" again and the capacity will be around " less" than the previous"

Here read this thread to see how users of a real Android Device ( HTC ) reset the battery capacity and how is properly display in Android OS.

Click HERE for XDA thread
[TouchPad General] smithylovestouchpad:
Can't believe I accidentally found a backdoor into Rootzwiki. I've also attached two screenshots of something that just happened to me on one of my TouchPads. The first show it happily asleep using -8mA. At some point during the night, the drain rate jumps to a crazy -300 to -400mA drain. I just found this and reflashed the A6 and it's back to a comfortable -9mA.

I pulled the following from a thread in Rootzwiki where Sullins spoke about his thoughts on the A6 needed to be reflashed. You will notice that he does not say it is resetting the chip but correcting the firmware:

(Posted by J.C. Sullins in the "How to install CM10 thread)

"I've been developing/testing the low battery drain for several weeks now with minimum drain as mentioned elsewhere. Then, a few days ago, all of sudden, it wouldn't drop below 18-22mA. After checking several things, I decided to check in webOS. Same thing in webOS.

So, on a hunch, I decided to reflash the A6 firmware (see tpdebrick-v004 thread).

Back to normal now.

My explanation: The A6 firmware is a bit flakey and reflashing it's firmware resets some of it's non-volatile memory to a known-good state.
[TouchPad General] DoubleStuff:
Wow you found a backdoor to RootzWiki !!, you always wanted to check out that de-brick thread there, but I bet while your looking at that past thread, that its mainly a problem with the battery and Bermuda triangle issue. Not really a brick. Because we know the truth now, back in those days they did not have all the answers.

Also about your battery draining 300-400 mA, that has happened to me many times, and I always run to a6 refresh. But listen, on a hunch, one time instead of a a6 refresh, I just rebooted and it went back to -7mA. So I think in those cases next time that happens to you, just try a reboot and see where the battery drain goes. So what I am saying is that a6 refresh in this case most likely is a "red herring"

"red herring": is something that misleads or distracts from a relevant or important question. It may be either a logical fallacy or a literary device that leads readers or audiences toward a false conclusion.

P.S also maybe that -400 uA battery drain you experienced, is where some gremlins turned on your tablet and it started draining!!! You might want to install HP_TOUCHPADS "auto off"......
[TouchPad General] SacredDeviL666:
Thread cleaned.

Kindly keep the discussion relevant to the OP of this thread.

Thanks

SacredDevilL666.
[TouchPad General] DoubleStuff:
Well I guess thats the beginning and end of "custom icons" LOL

Its always best to stick to the standard issue.....:)

But that being said this was a very informative thread about batteries.

DoubleStuff checking in.
[TouchPad General] HP_TOUCHPAD:
The objective of this thread is to prevent battery drain using PowerOFF, but it was never intended to get into battery details, which that is where it deviated to.

I will get some information and screenshots and open a new thread specifically to get the real and actual battery capacity. There has always been issues with the Tablet shutting down unexpectedly with a lot of battery remaining.

The support still dedicated to this Tablet never stops to amazed. I have never contacted any Thread Moderators, to not disturb on insignificant issues on such an old device that I do not know if any users may even read the post.

Thanks to the XDA Team for still keeping the vast information of this Tablet and special thanks to The Sacred Devil for putting the Demon back in it's cage, hopefully the key gets lost and melts.
[TouchPad General] smithylovestouchpad:
At least you know how to use them now. Just like I like to talk about batteries.:p And there is always "PM's".
[TouchPad General] smithylovestouchpad:
Thanks to the XDA Team for still keeping the vast information of this Tablet and special thanks to The Sacred Devil for putting the Demon back in it's cage, hopefully the key gets lost and melts.[/QUOTE]

FAT CHANCE. :laugh:
[TouchPad General] smithylovestouchpad:
Note the battery specification: https://www.gsmarena.com/hp_touchpad-3839.php

And here: https://www.gadgetsnow.com/tablets/HP-TouchPad

And here, this one is a .pdf: http://static.highspeedbackbone.net/pdf/HP TouchPad FB356UT Tablet Quick Specs.pdf

And here: https://www.phonearena.com/phones/HP-TouchPad_id5201

And here: https://www.devicespecifications.com/en/model/438427b6

Even from PC World: https://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/review/hp/touchpad/376179/specs/

These are not pictures from third party replacement battery ads from Ebay or Amazon. Hum????

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Oh, look what I found, a spec sheet from HP themselves. Be sure to look at page 2

https://www.manualslib.com/manual/390397/Hp-Fb355ua-Aba.html#manual
[TouchPad General] DoubleStuff:
Yes I know about the 6300 mAh, but also the actual battery inside the Touchpad says 6000 mAh now in Post #73 HP_TOUCHPAD makes mention of this thus leaving the door open when I asked him the question is the original battery capacity 6000, 6300 or 6600? He said this:

The battery is 6000 mAh with ( if ) a possible extra of 5% been 6300 mAh. -HP_TOUCHPAD

But I was not sure what to make of this "possible extra of 5%", but when you take 5% of 6000

and add it to 6000, you do get 6300.

P.S. I am proud to say I was the first person in this thread to mention the 6300 number see post #54

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Smithy I was all over your 3rd party comment many, many days ago.....See my famous post #62

notice the pictures are from Hewlett Packard Company!!! Not any 3rd party battery from China!! LOL
[TouchPad General] HP_TOUCHPAD:
Excellent evidence [MENTION=8115234]DoubleStuff[/MENTION] and I know you post that previously.

I see it this way as the competitive markets works:

6300 marketing specs

6000 factory real specs.

In real use will be less

As there could be a plus or minus 5% of the total capacity then the marketing campaign can use the 6300 range, as we all know every digit matters to make a dollar.

Something similar can be say about the hard drive capacity that is advertise as 500GB, but after formatting it will be less, is not the same comparison but somewhat similar.

The tactic is used in almost anything that needs to be sold, say or list the maximum allow by the law.

Example, any juice can be label Natural as long as it has 2% of only natural juice, the rest could be anything but the law only require 2%.

Knowing the correct battery capacity left on the battery is extremely crucial, the Tablet can shut down at 70% and the user will not know why.

The same as driving with a faulty fuel gauge, you think the tank is half full but in reality is empty and you end up stranded.
[TouchPad General] smithylovestouchpad:
So you are saying that one person takes a TP pad apart and it happens to be a 6000mAh battery that all TP's have the same even though all the specs I posted links to state 6300mAh.

And take a close look at post #100, that is a third party battery, you can find them all over Ebay and Amazon.

This was taken from Wikipedia:

Power and battery

The TouchPad uses a rechargeable 6000 or 6300 mAh Lithium-ion polymer battery rated at 3,7 V (total 22,2 Wh).[35] It can be charged via MicroUSB connector or optional wireless charging by Touchstone charger. When using the Touchstone, the TouchPad enters a mode called Exhibition Mode, which displays simple information such as a clock, schedule or media.[36]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP_TouchPad

And what about this spec sheet specifically from HP?

https://www.manualslib.com/manual/390397/Hp-Fb355ua-Aba.html#manual

I'm not saying that some TouchPads did not have the 6000mHa batteries, but the proof is pretty strong that there were 6300mAh batteries too.
[TouchPad General] DoubleStuff:
If you can find me a picture of a Hewlett Packard Battery that says 6300 mAh, then I will believe you, but like HP_TOUCHPAD seemed to imply they are 6000 mAh batteries, and that the HP marketing department can legally say they are 6300 mAh because of the 5% markup rule. So of course all the specs that you find over the internet will say 6300 mAh, but you, and I know better that they are really 6000 mAh, see its good to be part of the XDA forum, where you, HP_TOUCHPAD and I put our heads together in cooperation and technical debate!!
[TouchPad General] smithylovestouchpad:
Yeah, like I'm going to go tearing apart a bunch of TouchPads looking for one that has a 6300mAh label on the battery. I think I'll stick by the spec sheet from HP that states at least that particular model of TouchPad has a 6300mAh battery in it. And I've never heard of a 5% markup rule. Where do I find that? Show me something from a battery manufacturer or other source that proves such a practice exists other than what he implies. I have provided real proof, not just words. And exactly how do you and I know better? Even Wikipedia says TouchPads came with one or the other size.

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However, I will concede that at the beginning of manufacturing, HP was installing 6300mAh batteries and maybe could not source them any longer and started installing the 6000mAh batteries. BUT, I am not going to tear any of mine apart to find out which might be inside. But to blatantly state that HP fudged the numbers by 5% so they could charge more money, can't sign off on that one. And I'm not buying the 5% markup rule unless you can provide me some real proof.
[TouchPad General] DoubleStuff:
Marketing guys love you Smithy, because you fall for their specs, "hook, line and sinker" that 6300 mAh is full of "hot air" 5% more to be exact. I must have looked at 20 pics on the internet of HP TOUCHPAD batteries and have not found one yet that says, "6300 mAh", in fact they all say, "6000 mAh". HP_TOUCHPAD has already explained the 5% markup rule in his previous post, but I dont even need the 5% markup rule. You heard of the phrase, "the proof is in the putting"? You can look at 50, 100 or 1000 internet pictures of different HP TOUCHPAD batteries and you will not find

one that has 6300 mAh printed on it.....And I bet you "dollars to donuts" that if you take off your clips of your HP TOUCHPADS....guess what it will say 6000 mAh....Like Joe Namath used to say, "I guarantee it". :)
[TouchPad General] smithylovestouchpad:
Everything I have found on line are third party after-market batteries. After all this time I doubt there would be any new, genuine HP batteries for sale. And he explained what, in post #116? Show me something that actually validates that what you said "He implied".

And I will repost this:

However, I will concede that at the beginning of manufacturing, HP was installing 6300mAh batteries and maybe could not source them any longer and started installing the 6000mAh batteries. BUT, I am not going to tear any of mine apart to find out which might be inside. But to blatantly state that HP fudged the numbers by 5% so they could charge more money, can't sign off on that one. And I'm not buying the 5% markup rule unless you can provide me some real proof.

BTW, It's "The proof is in the pudding".:p
[TouchPad General] DoubleStuff:
I had to look at mine 5 times before I noticed I had a typo of "putting" instead of "pudding", so you got me on that one Smithy.....although I could turn it around on you and say, "you drive for show, but you putt for dough" :D
[TouchPad General] smithylovestouchpad:
Never heard that one before. You must be a golfer. Did I just get insulted and don't know it? :(
[TouchPad General] DoubleStuff:
Yes I am a golfer, where did you get insulted? That is against the rules!!! Watch out for the mods!!!
[TouchPad General] smithylovestouchpad:
Ha, Ha, Ha Shaking in my boots! :crying:
[TouchPad General] HP_TOUCHPAD:
All of them has to be 6000 mAh, is impossible to manufacture another battery for just a 5% gain. The size will be identically the same.

Search and all the answers will be available, take a look at this article and learn!

the-secret-marketing-trick-behind-powerbank-capacity-
[TouchPad General] smithylovestouchpad:
Has absolutely nothing to do with whether there is a 6300mAh or 6000mAh battery installed in a TouchPad. And by what that article says, your 6000mAh battery does not deliver that amount. HP said they installed 6000 and 6300mAh batteries, that point cannot be disputed. Just because you can find 6000mAh third party batteries for sale today does not mean that HP did not start out installing 6300mAh batteries in the beginning and then switched to 6000mAh batteries later on.