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[TouchPad General] HP_TOUCHPAD:
It probably helps allowing to keep charging and using the batteries. Some manufactures will prevent the controller from charging once a number of charging cycles has been done, even if the battery is good.

On my next post I will show the Battery Monitor ( Capacity SCAM ), if you use it get ready for a huge surprise, now that you have the real number of your TRUE battery capacity.
[TouchPad General] smithylovestouchpad:
Flashing the A6 resets it back to factory settings. If you have noticed higher than usual battery usage when your TP is asleep, flashing the A6 gets it back to normal. Using Battery Monitor Widget can show you this. My normal sleep usage is -7 to -10 mA. BMW alerts me to when there is abnormally high usage and reflashing corrects it.

Smithy

---------- Post added at 04:28 AM ---------- Previous post was at 04:25 AM ----------

You are going to have to let it run for several days through several charge/discharge cycles before you will get any useful data.

BTW, when I did look at what it reported as battery capacity, the numbers were very close to "battery status" numbers. You'll see, just don't get in a hurry, PAL!
[TouchPad General] HP_TOUCHPAD:
3C Battery Monitor Widget ( Android Battery Capacity SCAM )

There is no need to charge/discharge cycles to get any battery true capacity. The only data that the App displays is battery usage by Android and Apps that is irrelevant to the health of the battery and how long it will last, attached is the real proof.

There is no such a thing as very close, the numbers are not pulled out of the air to be very close, it got to match. This is real time data that only comes from one source the a6 battery controller. It does not need to run for days to get the battery capacity.

3C Battery Monitor Widget v4.0.5c

Installed on Evervolv Pie.

Setting up the App:

In the attached screenshot it clearly states:

Android only provides the capacity of the original battery.

The user have the option to select, battery files, battery profile or you can enter your own capacity.

The TRUE manufacture capacity of the battery is never detected, the user can enter any information.

Battery capacity is what the App determines for the Average use time left, nothing else matters.

When the battery is getting discharged example to 97% the FAKE capacity also drops.

In the screenshots, I selected different capacities , the lowest 1300 and the maximum 10000.

As it clearly shows the Average use time left is determine by the FAKE capacity and changes estimated by only a formula in the App.

This is the information available in Android for the battery that all Battery Monitor use:

Connect the Tablet running Android to PC open a terminal and enter this command:

adb shell dumpsys battery

ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ adb shell dumpsys battery
Current Battery Service state:
AC powered: false
USB powered: true
Wireless powered: false
Max charging current: 0
Max charging voltage: 0
Charge counter: 0
status: 5
health: 2
present: true
level: 100
scale: 100
voltage: 4099
temperature: 280
technology: Li-ion

That is all the information, the most important is the battery capacity which Android does not support.

All Battery Monitor Apps for Android does not provide the TRUE battery capacity and the user is not aware that the battery is dying and keep getting good health status.
[TouchPad General] smithylovestouchpad:
Not if you don't let them collect sufficient data to properly calculate. All you are doing is changing the settings in the app and taking screen shots. That does not prove anything.
[TouchPad General] HP_TOUCHPAD:
The user needs to enter the battery capacity. How does the use knows the true battery capacity of a Tablet that is 8 years old?

It is stated it by the App ( Android only provides the capacity of the original battery )

Also the App states ( Allowing 3C Battery Monitor Widget to always run in the background may reduce battery life. )

Collecting data is reducing battery life not prolonging or improving its capacity ( Health )

You are the perfect example that two of your Tablets battery are already damage by using the 3C Battery Monitor and following philosophical process.

The other Tablet battery is also on its way to get ruin by getting fake and misleading data.

You are inside your box, that is full of ignorance and lies. But the worse if your denial when have the data in front of you and refuse to accept it.
[TouchPad General] smithylovestouchpad:
Now I am calling full on B/S. An app passively collecting data from a device does not damage the battery. Battery capacity is reduced based on it's age, charging cycles, heat, cold, over or under-charging, not properly storing it.

The battery capacity that you enter in BMW is the manufacturer designed capacity so after evaluating the data it gets from the device over a period of time, it can calculate the existing capacity of a working battery.

And how come Middle_Road's two TouchPads have such reduced capacity batteries. I don't hear him saying he uses BMW.

I am getting a good laugh out of your box analogies. What are you, 5-years-old?

If I get the chance or feel like it, I'll charge my TouchPads up again and take another "Battery Status" and a couple of screen shots from BMW that has been running on my TP's for months. Don't hold your breath. Keep up with the box stuff and I probably won't do it.
[TouchPad General] HP_TOUCHPAD:
If you really want to know how long the Tablet will last, do Battery Status get the capacity and enter it in 3C BMW, it will estimate the real time left.
[TouchPad General] smithylovestouchpad:
My bad, that was Touchie Pad I was talking about.
[TouchPad General] smithylovestouchpad:
Well what do you know, BMW with months of data to calculate capacity reports battery capacity within 93% or your method. I wouldn't expect the reading to be exact, but it shows that BMW can with in reason accurately calculate battery capacity.
[TouchPad General] HP_TOUCHPAD:
The reading has to be exactly the same, other wise is only an approximation that is not providing the true health status of the battery because it does not know it.

The screenshot needs to be of the Status and time left.

Show the screenshot that demonstrate that the battery is 100 % charged at 3260 mAh capacity that is the real deal comparison.

type this in the novacom terminal, instead of battery status

chg battery

That shows the temperature reading that Android and the 3C app use.
[TouchPad General] DoubleStuff:
I have attached 3 of my HP TOUCHPADs reading from the commands above. But I noticed in a previous post HP_TOUCHPAD calculated the percentage like this:

For SmithyLovesTouchpad capacities:

The first (A) Tablet has a capacity of 3468800 , which it could be translated to approximately 57%

The second (B) Tablet has a capacity of 5180800, which could be translated to approximately 86%

But if I take A capacity/0.57 = 6085, and B capacity/0.86 = 6024 should not these numbers ( 6085 & 6024 ) be equal if the formula is linear? What is the formula to get percentage? I assume

its 'capacity from novacom command'/'Initial Capacity of New Touchpad' = Percentage

Also when I store my HP TOUCHPAD I just use the SHUTDOWN button on Moboot menu ( see pic below ) and when I want to bring it back to life, I just reboot it with the "3 finger salute" it has worked for me pretty good. One time during a 3 week hiatus, the battery life just went down from 100% to 98%. So even if I am traveling for a couple days with HP TOUCHPAD in my car, I just use the SHUTDOWN button, then reboot later, or pack in the original box with has a special parking spot for

the external power button.

As per my pics below these are my battery capacities after running an "a6 refresh" using the TP Toolbox, and keeping the battery at 100%.

All 3 tables have model number: FB359UA#ABA

tablet 1 ( with 2 cracks in the back )====4419200

tablet 2 ( with a smooth back )=======5147200

tablet 3 ( with a crack in front )=======5068800
[TouchPad General] smithylovestouchpad:
So here is both readings, doesn't look much different to me. And also from BMW. OH look, it calculated the capacity virtually the same. I've included a couple of other screenshots. A whole lot more data that novacom provides.
[TouchPad General] smithylovestouchpad:
Boy, you sure are hard on TouchPads. Both of mine are nearly pristine except for the usual cracks by the speaker ports. Do you remember when users were returning their TouchPads for case replacement because they were receiving them with the cracks by the speakers?
[TouchPad General] DoubleStuff:
Well I believe, but not sure, that the 2 cracks in the back is my original one I got from the fire sale. Those crack are from the speakers, but they are growing to about 1/4 of the way down the back.

And the one with crack in front is one a co-worker gave me when I went begging for Touchpads, I guess his son dropped it a few times. And the one with the smooth back is one I bought from Ebay

for about $40 a few years ago.

Yes the cracks by the speakers was a design error by HP, and users were returning them, but to no avail, these cracks will come to everybody.

Well whats is the new capacity? 6085? or 6300?

Wikipedia says this: The TouchPad uses a rechargeable 6000 or 6300 mAh Lithium-ion polymer battery rated at 3,7 V (total 22,2 Wh).
[TouchPad General] smithylovestouchpad:
Realized it was set wrong in BMW. 6085, what's that? I have originally entered 6600 which was causing BMW to incorrectly calculate the capacity. Now that I corrected it, it is dead on.
[TouchPad General] DoubleStuff:
I got the number 6085 mAh from HP_TOUCHPAD calculations of your data from your first tablet:

The first (A) Tablet has a capacity of 3468800 , which it could be translated to approximately 57%

So if capacity now/capacity new = 57%, then plug in the numbers:

3468800 = 0.57 x ( capacity new )

3468800/0.57 = ( capacity new )

( capacity new ) =~ 6,085,000 = 6085 mAh ??

So you had it at 6600 mAh, and you set it to what? 6300? Because I am hearing that some batteries of HP TOUCHPAD are different, some are 6300, some are 6200 and some can be 5421 mAh I read that here: LINK
[TouchPad General] smithylovestouchpad:
Do you know how to check your model number? Mine is FB359UA#ABA. Check the battery specs under "Power".

https://www.manualslib.com/manual/390397/Hp-Fb355ua-Aba.html?page=2#manual
[TouchPad General] DoubleStuff:
I think the model number is on the original box it came in, but my boxes are currently in a remote location, plus my "front crack" HPTP I received from a friend did not come with a box, and the "smooth back" HPTP I bought for $40 on ebay came with a box, but it might not be a match, plus I have mixed my boxes up, so I don't know which goes with which HPTP. Now when I do an "about tablet" I get the Model: Touchpad and Serial Number: ( its like a 32 digit number ).

And I thought some previous threads said some tablets have different CPU's so could they not have different batteries? In fact Wikipedia says,

The TouchPad uses a rechargeable 6000 or 6300 mAh Lithium-ion polymer battery rated at 3.7 V (total 22.2 Wh).

How do you know you have the 6300 mAh? There must be an app that tells us, like CPU-Z app will tell which kind of processor you have.

CPU-Z says I have a "Qualcomm Snapdragon S3, 3.00 GHz" Hmmm 3.0 GHz?? It should be 1.2 GHz....

Maybe because I "Overclocked" it....

Happy Thanksgiving ( We are thankful for tablets that work from 2011 )
[TouchPad General] smithylovestouchpad:
Can't believe you forgot about the slide out tab where the sim card would go on a 4G model. Pop the slide out and look on the back and you will see your model number. Don't eat too much turkey. :)
[TouchPad General] DoubleStuff:
I had too much too eat, I watched a little football and I had a little nap, now I am ready to go

on XDA.

I did not forget that the slide out tab contained the model number, I never knew it!!!

So with that information here is my stats:

All 3 tables have model number: FB359UA#ABA

tablet 1 ( with 2 cracks in the back )====4419200 Ah/6000 mAh = 73.7%

tablet 2 ( with a smooth back )=======5147200 Ah/ 6000 mAh = 85.8%

tablet 3 ( with a crack in front )=======5068800 Ah/6000 mAh = 84.5%

I have 3 healthy Batteries in all three of my 9 year old tablets....
[TouchPad General] smithylovestouchpad:
And I will limp by with my two, with one not so healthy. I guess the question of the day is how HPTP knew which models we own? Maybe he is a psychic. Of course he never has revealed how he is calculating percentages like he said he would. Imagine if we had practiced good battery maintenance procedures that we have been discussing here. They would be in even better shape than they are now.

Smithy
[TouchPad General] DoubleStuff:
Well Smithy, technically HP_TOUCHPAD said this to you on Nov 25th at 3:48pm on post #31

"....Post the screenshots from the Battery Monitor App showing the available capacity and the math formula will be right there. If possible do it from both tablets to compare...."

Post #31

So once you posted the screenshots from the Battery Monitor App was the formula right there?

I assume he means it would be Capacity Currently/Capacity New = % of Capacity, but thats not what his calculations seem to use, it might be a more complicated algorithm.

And if you say the Battery has a rating of 6300 mAh, how come the pics from HPTP post from

Post #17

seem to indicate a Battery rating of 6612 mAH ( from Dr. Battery on WebOs ) and the capacity

from his screenshot seems to be above 6300? ( about 6483 mAh ) See attached pics.....

maybe he has a different model number....
[TouchPad General] smithylovestouchpad:
Regardless, I am not going to revert back to WebOS to find out. HPTP can just drop in here and explain himself.
[TouchPad General] DoubleStuff:
Well sometimes a person has to dig deeper, I remember when deafasheck tried to disassemble his

HP TOUCHPAD, and when you do that, you can get access to the battery, and see my pic from a HP TOUCHPAD battery.....and what i circled in red...
[TouchPad General] HP_TOUCHPAD:
There has been a lot of post since my last time on the thread and I will try to give my feedback and answer the questions.

I have been trying to get [MENTION=9896613]smithylovestouchpad[/MENTION] to post screenshots of 3C BMW ( STATUS ), but instead is posting Calibration data which is useless.

To really know what has been going on for the past 8 years on the battery usage of the Tablet, the real data must be provided. Is the only way to discuss and properly learn, instead of providing inaccurate information that can not be use.

If [MENTION=9896613]smithylovestouchpad[/MENTION] wants to know the real health status of the Tablet's battery it must provide the screenshot, as I am providing in here of his 3C BMW settings that it has always been used.

[MENTION=8115234]DoubleStuff[/MENTION] thank you for providing the Tablet's data and participating. I will provide all the answers and some info that is easier to get using WebOS as I still do.

[IMG="3C BMW Status"]https://dl.xda-developers.com/4/8/8/9/8/6/3/Screenshot_20191129-112826.png?key=IUjsCHp0-mGlJvmXnVpJtg&ts=1575047200[/IMG]

[IMG="3C BWM Status Time Left"]https://xdaforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=4889865&stc=1&d=1575047194[/IMG]
[TouchPad General] smithylovestouchpad:
What the hell do you think I posted in post #50.
[TouchPad General] HP_TOUCHPAD:
You posted:

Calibration

History

Compare

The Status , that is located all the way to the left side as I posted on here. That is what matters and exactly as I posted. We all have the same Tablet and can install the same Apps also get the same results.
[TouchPad General] DoubleStuff:
Here is a screenshot of my status tab:

the 87% is telling me, that the battery has used 23% of the charge, and that 87% should match the battery icon

in the top right portion of my tablet. Also its telling me the "health" of my battery is "good", but I am not sure what

"good" means. I guess its not "great" but its not "bad" either.

What more can you tell about the battery from this "status" tab??
[TouchPad General] HP_TOUCHPAD:
Thank you for posting, but is very important to take the screenshot when the battery is full charge to 100 %, just as I did.

We are still waiting for the master user of 3C BMW [MENTION=9896613]smithylovestouchpad[/MENTION] to post such a simple screenshot from an App that he has always used and have extensive knowledge about.
[TouchPad General] DoubleStuff:
Ok while I charge my Touchpad to 100%, lets all wait for the "master user" of the 3C BMW to show his screenshot.....The stage is now yours smithy!!
[TouchPad General] DoubleStuff:
Smithy must be out shopping on "Black Friday" to get some good deals on smartphones, and tablets! LOL

Anyway while we wait for Smithy to post his screenshot of Status at 100% here is mine, but I dont see any

differences between my 87% screenshot and my 100% screenshot other than the percentage.

This is from my "smooth back" HP TOUCHPAD.
[TouchPad General] HP_TOUCHPAD:
By the way, any physical damage anywhere on the Tablet does not affect the Battery life or performance unless is a button that got damage.

I need to provide all my findings, but I can not do so until the real information is posted.

In the mean time try this:

3C Menu ( three Horizontal lines to the top left ) Select Battery information popup, is the second screenshot from my post. That is important as it shows the Average use time left.

Now, touch on the symbol ( square 9 dots, right top next to location )

Select Adjust capacity (mAh) moved the slider all the way to the left ( less ).

Close App and reopen, it needs time to read info as there is a 30 second waiting period, so is best to re-launch after 30 seconds.

Again, do it but this time increase it to the right.

Also check with the novacom command ( chg battery ) to get the real capacity, temperature provided by the A6 chip.
[TouchPad General] DoubleStuff:
Yes I know damage to tablet don't affect battery life, but I name my tablets by unique exterior markings, because lets say 10 years from now I want to check this thread again, and see my old capacities. Now I now what they are for tablets with "smooth back", "cracks in back" and "crack in front" as long as I don't damage them more! LOL

When percentage changes, so does current capacity in relation to the capacity at 100%, is that the answer your looking for? What I am looking for is the capacity of a new battery at 100%, then when I measure the capacity of a battery thats 9 years old, I can see how much it went downhill.

Yes I did your experiments of pushing the slider to a low number ( i.e 5454 uAh ), then to a high number ( i.e. 6510 )

and looked at the readings 30 seconds later. Then I retrieved the "real A6 capacity" from the novcom commands ( battery status and chg battery ). Whats the point of all this, because I feel with those values from the novocom commands I should be able to get the health of the battery, by comparing them to the original battery capacity.

But I will wait for you final analysis once Smithy posts his results that you asked him too.

The real '$64,000 dollar question' ( an old American TV game show ) is what is the capacity of a new battery?

a) 6000 mAh b) 6300 mAh or c) 6600 mAh d) none of the above
[TouchPad General] smithylovestouchpad:
So now what? The status reading looks even better than the calibration screen. So, now post your crap.

Oh shucks, I forgot to charge it up to 100%. Back in a while with an updated screen shot.
[TouchPad General] HP_TOUCHPAD:
There is no answer to that question as there has never been a question to begin with, so there is no $64,000 dollars bet.

The battery is 6000 mAh with ( if ) a possible extra of 5% been 6300 mAh.

Is mark on the front of the battery and is for all models, take a look.

Click HERE for battery

Click HERE for another vendor
[TouchPad General] HP_TOUCHPAD:
Great, now when the battery is 100 % charge post the 3C BMW Status screen and also the novacom reading using:

chg battery

Proper process:

1. Charge Tablet in Android once is 100 % charge, take screenshot.

2. Boot into WebOS Recovery , use novacom chg battery, take screenshot ( reboot by entering reboot )

3. Boot into Android, open 3C BMW and take the last screenshot.

Total of 3 screenshot and you are done !
[TouchPad General] DoubleStuff:
Thanks for the unique ID command, that would be a nice way to keep track of which tablet is which because

I am constantly installing new Android versions.

Yes, yes 6000 mAh, those are similar pics and the same answer that I gave Smithy on

Post #61 take a look.

Also it was always apparent to me since I have been installing the 3C Battery Monitor Widget, that the user has to give it an accurate number ( 6000 mAh ) for the original battery capacity, or all the data it spits out is just VAPOR!!!

Or in the current US political atmosphere some would call the 3C BMW data "FAKE NEWS"
[TouchPad General] smithylovestouchpad:
You are absolutely correct. If BMW cannot get the "NEW" capacity from the battery, then the user can manually enter the figure himself. Some devices report the capacity of the battery directly to BMW. This only serves to give BMW the correct battery capacity so it can based on all the other data it collects, make a correct report of the current capacity of the battery. No one is trying to fool anyone.
[TouchPad General] HP_TOUCHPAD:
You are getting closer, but the final outcome will surprise you. Let's not blame it on 3C BMW App just yet as there is more evidence that will be undisclosed, too many things involved that we the ( users ) are not aware of. But for the first time it will be unclassified.

Once I get the 3 screenshots from [MENTION=9896613]smithylovestouchpad[/MENTION], then I can put it together. I can not provide the data as I can be easily blame for manipulating the evidence, making it as you described it in today's term a " Witch Hunt or Hoax"
[TouchPad General] HP_TOUCHPAD:
All numbers, data collection and results are base on ONLY one number the current Battery Capacity which also the percentage charge is calculated from.
[TouchPad General] smithylovestouchpad:
You have to be clear of what you want.
[TouchPad General] DoubleStuff:
Yes I will be interested in your final battery report, "unredacted".

I am not blaming 3C BMW app, but essentially I am repeating an old computer which is "garbage in, garbage out", 3C BMW is just a tool and with good data can be useful, but with bad data by user, the output is then just VAPOR.

Yes we don't want no "Witch Hunt or Hoax", or a "quid, pro, quo" LOL
[TouchPad General] HP_TOUCHPAD:
1. Charge battery to 100 % in Android

2. Take screenshot of 3C BMW Status

3. Boot into WebOS Recovery

Use novacom

( enter the command chg battery, instead of battery status ) take screenshot

( reboot by entering reboot )

4. Boot into Android, open 3C BMW ( Status) and take the last screenshot.

Total of 3 screenshot and you are done !

Two screenshots of 3C BMW

One screenshot of novacom terminal.
[TouchPad General] HP_TOUCHPAD:
We just need transparency and we all will enjoy our Tablets for a very long time with a healthy battery!
[TouchPad General] smithylovestouchpad:
I'm guessing that you are referring to the "When New" battery capacity that either the device reports to BMW or that the user manually enters himself. If the incorrect value is entered, then BMW will incorrectly calculate a lot of different values. Entering the wrong value would serve no purpose.

Still waiting for HPTP to explain this:

Proper process:

1. Charge Tablet in Android once is 100 % charge, take screenshot. A screenshot of what?

Do you have a clue what he is talking about?
[TouchPad General] DoubleStuff:
Yes he wants a screenshot of the status tab when your tablet is 100% charged....Thats step 1.