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[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] 1404zone:
"You are appealing to a very small community of folks when talking about booting from external media."

Yes... But if it was built in to boot from removable media, I am pretty sure that a whole lot more would be interested in such a feature and would be used widely.

"The folks willing to sign the petition just on unlocked bootloader's alone is already tiny compared to the entire mobile market but we slice it even thinner by talking about booting from external media to save bricked devices."

Yeah... That's the current reality of it. But if mobiles were treated the same way as PC's (with the same security protocols) (secure boot and the ability to lock the BIOS with a password) then there wouldn't even be people petitioning for bootloader to be unlocked and the worry of booting from external media to save/recover bricked devices simply would not exist. How often do you hear of bricked laptops that are not hardware-based problem exception of someone for flashing the wrong/corrupted bios?

"Nevermind directly equating the bios of a PC to the Android OS is a bit of an over simplification."

I will not claim to be an expert for I am far from it but No, it is not. They both are computers. They both utilize, processors, ram and storage media to function. They both utilize bootloaders except for one of them has removed all of the extra features... On my cpu I have Android x86_64, Arch Linux and Windows installed on separate partitions. Android is a variation of Linux. Definitely not saying it is the same definitely different operating system but it runs off of a kernal.

"Also booting from USB is absolutely a security risk for PCs.. Thats why it's usually not recommended to leave your machine in that state and why you can lock bios."

That's exactly my point, if they included the same security protocols on a phone as they do a PC, for example the ability to put a password on the BIOS and lock it from a user standpoint then there would be no security risk. I just forgot to state that earlier...

If you took a desktop computer shrunk it down threw a display on it and a rechargeable battery and put an arm processor in it. that does not mean all the sudden you lose the ability to boot from external media or that you're limited to only the Android OS. There are other arm operating systems very behind in development because of the restrictions i've already stated. Maybe one day...
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] bober10113:
but its a money thing. i expect PCs to get locked down just as much if we dont do anything about it.

have you ever herd of apple?

the same to PC's faith is just around the corner. because idiots buy them.( the only exception is that with intel, we can boot windows. so its not so bad)

we need to get our regulations straight and working FOR us.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] pcriz:
Again saying two things are computers so they must operate the same is an over simplification.

While you can run Linux and windows on the same machine because Linux supports the same chipsets, their file systems are fundamentally different.

Androids kernel at boot has never handled USB functions. In fact any USB functions are loaded within the Android system when the OS starts and not at boot.

There was a stack overflow about this very thing in fact.

Android doesn't have a bios and doesn't have a way of switching recognized boot devices. It listens for keystrokes to either enter recovery or the bootloader and that's about it...

It's not like there was some functionality that big mobile decided to cripple. It's never worked that way.

Edit:

https://android.stackexchange.com/q...ble-to-boot-an-android-phone-from-a-usb-drive

I guess my issue is that you want to add a potential point of compromise to account for less then 10 percent of the mobile consumer population (people that tinker to the point of bricking)..

Adding the ability to boot externally is a different conversation in relation unlocking bootloaders
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Limeybastard:
I keep seeing references to 10 % or small minority being mentioned on here ( not just this thread ). However, let's not we forget that XDA is primarily based for that "minority", or it was at one point.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] bober10113:
no, you're not blind. its reality. please don't mix up buyer's remorse with reality.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] pcriz:
The petition isn't just for XDA though. XDA is the minority in the larger consumer market. The total user count makes up for a fraction of the Samsung phones sold in a year.

The let's say you get every person on XDA to sign it, not just the people that care or are affected. That's just a drop in the bucket.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] maddman2k1:
I will throw in $500 for a full bootloader unlock with full root access.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] techlogik:
Yeah, you won't convince Samsung to do this. It is a Samsung/Carrier thing. Primarily the manufacturer for the bootloader. OnePlus doesn't care, and their phones works on all carriers...now the 5G might be stuck on TMobile for now..but that isn't reality for another 2-3yrs those phones actually being used.

But there is some glimmer of hope with the Sprint S10 5G (really this is a Samsung S11 phone mostly, just the camera/processor and a few minor changes, otherwise, you are seeing the future except the hole punch). The S11 + will be a 6.7-6.8" screen.

Anyway, the point being, with Samsung shutting down Exynos Dev, they know Qualcomm is way ahead of them with processing power and graphics, they are going to move to Qualcomm. And, there are US Qualcomm versions, like the Sprint 5G S10 which the bootloader can be unlocked. Why? IDK....mystery. Now, if that becomes more widespread, I think you will see people putting efforts into Rooting after that. They still can't root the S10 5G so far. But that is hope that they have US Qualcomm Samsung premium phones that the bootloader can be unlocked, like the Hong Kong/Asian version that also runs the Snapdragon.

Anyway...never happening with this one likely.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] raze5115:
I'd go after the manufacturer of the car
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] bober10113:
so you're telling me if the oil that was put in the car was too thick that its the manufacturer's fault?

lol now i get why people are buying locked bootloader phones.( they don't know any better)

thanks for the insight.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Limeybastard:
Comical answer.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] 117micc:
*~UPDATE~*

I wanted to take the time to thank each and everyone of you that showered interest in a Bounty / Petition thread. All of you have moved this to where it is now, which is, s today of...

147 Petition Signatures!!!

And

$1,630 Bounty

Thank you for getting the word out there and this in front of so many eyes! Let's start another round of shares! We need to keep the momentum and push this to more people. It is an important issue that a lot of us care about, and we should be able to have it voices heard!!!

If you haven't signed, read the petition, do some research and see if this is an issue you could support. Then don't forget to share.

Thanks again!

Let's get to 200 signatures
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Mike02z:
I wish this could happen but I'm 99% sure US Snapdragon versions will never get unlock of the boot loader. Android 10 is at the point where I'd very seldom need root.

I'll pledge 25 but I'm afraid I won't be paying this pledge. Honestly, if you buy a Snapdragon US carrier phone, assume no root...ever.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Slypnslyde:
People don't understand but Samsung has companies who sponsor them like Netflix, Hulu etc. And what these companies don't like is free access to their apps by rooting. Same goes for getting unlimited Hotspot. Rooting got to be too well known in the industry and that hurt us. Back in the late 2000s it used to be where you can say I rooted my phone to do this and that and people would be like what's that?, now even a non techie knows about.

I've been modding my phones ever since the windows mobile days and now it seems it all comes to an end with the flagships unless you get pixels or oneplus and that too will end in the future
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Limeybastard:
You're last sentence ommitted that non Samsung USA models can also still be rooted. Remember, USA is 14% of the worlds population.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Slypnslyde:
You're right but we are talking about the USA models needing to be rooted
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] TheUndertaker21:
Won't happen.

Xda used to have amazing devs and hackers but they all left due to xda tight rules and crazy users.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Limeybastard:
Is that when XDA ownership or direction changed ?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] TheUndertaker21:
Maybe who knows.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] elliwigy:
partly true.. truth is most devs wisened up and decide to go with devices that are already unlockable.. i know many well known devs who r still around they just dont bother at all withanything locked..

its a shame but cant blame em lol.. i dont have the same luxury so all my devices r mostly locked so i spends lots time hunting for vulns but security is getting better and better as time goes and when theres only 1 person here n there even trying then seems impossible sometimes
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] jhjhjhjhjhjh:
I personally stopped buying Samsung phones once a Samsung rep explained to me there is no bootloader support for USA models.

I said Motorola, HTC, Pixel, ONEPlus One, even zte funny enough sold phones with unlock bootloaders . I chose Motorola here in the USA. I've owned the moto g5 and g7. I went on Motorola's user friendly website . I used adb to get the device id# then submitted a request and in 20 seconds a code to UNLOCK MY BOOTLOADER WAS IN MY INBOX.

Bought from a USA carrier T-Mobile.

It's a Samsung issue who wants to be Apple.

I'll never buy a Samsung phone EVER.

Just fyi one will never get a USA Samsung phone rooted.

Call Samsung the"ll tell you...
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Mike02z:
So you're a Samsung "hater" posting in a Samsung forum?

That makes a lot of sense..:eek:
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] pcriz:
I wonder if they donated to the cause...
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Slypnslyde:
I was thinking about getting the oneplus 7 pro but the note has more to offer other than the refresh rate
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Ruljancich:
Idon't understand. Inever would have bought this note 10 if Ihad known it couldn't be rooted. Iwould have bought one unlocked from overseas or some ****. IHAVE to have my phone rooted. plain and simple. and my return period has already passed. besides. Ilove this phone. It is obviously possible. The bios must just need to be re-written. Someone explain what language Ineed to know and Iwill figure it out, assuming its not Illegal.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Beetle84:
Research would have helped.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Limeybastard:
New user with one post, he may even have a non USA model as far as we know [emoji1787]
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] elliwigy:
you cant simply "re-write" bios whatever that means..a quick google search before purchasing would have saved you the trouble of being stuck with an unrootable device.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] RuljancichM:
Yes of course... I figure with coding and hackers and all that jazz... every phone CAN be rooted. and I still believe that... to say that it CAN NOT be done is a crock of ****. If nothing else, take the HD out of the phone and put a blank one in. Then install your own rewritten bootloader and kernal and all that. RIGHT? I need to know what programming language I need to learn in order to write an OEM bootloader toggle. I'm gonna do it my damn self, if no one else will... PERIOD! lol
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] pcriz:
Lol
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] louforgiveno:
Hella LOL
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Sprov:
Just no my friend, I understand your frustration but if the bootloader is not signed officially by Samsung AND there is no security flaw it's impossible to get root acces, period. The whole point of finding a way of rooting is to find a bug so that you can bypass the Samsung sign.

If you wipe all in the internal memory and as you say "install your own rewritten bootloader an kernel" the phone just won't boot. You're free to prove me wrong but you have to know IT security ain't no joke and systems are designed to be unbreakable and patched frequently in order to keep that true.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Limeybastard:
Lolz..
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Fly-n-High:
Mr. Chainfire needs to come out of retirement...
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] 117micc:
Yes I agree!

I been an Androider since cupcake and slowly but surely rooting is not so easy anymore. I miss the days where you downloaded an app, ran it and Bam you got root etc. Nowadays you really need to research and sometimes even wait till after initial release of a device to see if it will get rooted.

Some of the people who did this make way way way more working for the dark side and claiming hundreds of thousands of dollars finding bugs and reporting them to the big tech giants. Apple, Microsoft, Google, Amazon, etc.

Rooting days are numbered [emoji24] and it's a damn shame.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Limeybastard:
Maybe that's what Chainfire is doing now, finding exploits for those corporations.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] nugzo:
Bootloader unlock isn't gonna happen. Best bet is a leaked engineering kernel. You'll get root but no unlocked bootloader. Half the time engineering Kernel is a buggy root. I miss the good old HTC days when you could go to their site and unlock your bootloader. What was the last US snapdragon samsung device with an unlocked bootloader? It's been many years hasn't it? I think the Carrier versions do it for security (just my opinion) i dont think they care less about hotspot. If you have an unlocked BL you'r giving the bad guys full control of your phone via malware. FULL CONTROL. They can do whatever they want after you install their cool custom rom or infected APK, they now have full control of everything. All of your passwords, everything. The US carriers dont want lawsuits because someone stold your bitcoin wallet or drained your bank account. It's not worth it to them to please the less than 1% of users that want unlocked BL. I doubt 1% even know what a BL is and what unlocking it means. I've seen Unlocked BL bounty threads since leaving HTC for the samsung S6. That's about when HTC fell off with their phones and samsung was the best thing out. Never got BL unlock for the s6 and I dont think it's happened since then. Now days if you want an unlocked BL, Buy international or buy a google Pixel. Since the pixel is unlockable and is available from carriers it makes me wonder if it's the carriers behind the Samsung BL issue. Kinda shoots my theory in the foot lol.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] pcriz:
The bootloader is/was locked on the Verizon branded pixels, not sure if they eventually changed but there are pixels out there with locked bootloaders. It's 100% the carriers but I doubt it's about security. At least not at the level you spell out in your comment. People get their phone hijacked just fine on locked bootloaders.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] firebrain:
You are wrong. The last rootable US Samsung was the Note 8. That means this is only the 2nd generation that isn't rootable.

I am adding $2000 to the bounty
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] pcriz:
Wasn't that the root that came with the engineering build that gave you 80% battery?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] nugzo:
Yes they do get jacked without bl unlock. But If I'm sprint, no way I'm taking the chance of decreasing security for 99% of my customers to satisfy probably less than 1% of the customers who love that **** like us. Don't come back with the 99% won't unlock the bl.. Themselves, probably not. They don't even know what a bootloader is, But since it can now be done, it takes a 1 button root and unlock in a lot of phones. So any sideloaded or download apk or malware can root and unlock and create the backdoor to let the boogie man join u at anytime. To us there seems like a lot of people doing this stuff we like to do, but the big picture, we might not be a tenth of a percent. We're like the percentage of super uber gates, bezos, cook, Bloomberg rich people. Just wish we could trade places with them instead of worrying about a bounty lol... I'm sure Samsung will unlock them for us when we're in that tax bracket :victory: it's all about security, period. People keep their lives on their phones. They damn well better be secure. Again, Samsung could care less of 1 tenth of 1%. They're also the only other phone you see in govetnment or big businesses other than iPhone. That's because without John McAfee, you're pretty safe.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] pcriz:
I would agree with the security aspect if personal computers didn't exist. People will be dumb with their information. Bootloader or not. If that was the case we would be seeing people with unlockable devices getting compromised all over our community which is where most of them are.

I will agree this is likely what a lot of industry people might believe. But it's hardly the reality.

Nevermind mind having an unlockable bootloader and unlocking your bootloader aren't the same. It's like saying I won't even allow users to be admins on their own machines because one day someone might somehow allow themselves to be compromised.

Must protect you from yourself huh?

But also please install Facebook, IG, shady apks from shady sources because you want a cracked version of Boom Beach.

The "protect users" spin doesn't work when the hardest way to attack someone would be via methods that exploit the bootloader. The easiest are just talking dumb people into installing things they shouldn't or willfully offering up their location and personal information to companies that make money selling said info.

But hey, who knows.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] 117micc:
Wow $2000! I'll update the op now!
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Fly-n-High:
I believe so. Mine is rooted using that method. 80% & Viper4audio works for me...
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Limeybastard:
Option for said 1% could have simply been to log into Samsung website and request a bootloader unlock. The issue is not so much why they are BL locked but why the option to have it removed is not present for said 1%. Same can be said with Noweiway, infact they took it a step further by no longer issuing bl unlocking codes ( they use codes ) on any of their devices at all. So in essence Samsung users still have a choice. You want BL unlocked option buy a non USA models.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] smartazz220:
You want to get a team going amd try to make this happen ?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] Fly-n-High:
I believe there are developers out there with the knowledge (or the ability), possibly. I also think that some do it for the thrill of the hack and what it represents. I would love to help, but I'm the wrong type of engineer...
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] smartazz220:
Well if people know anyone on here we can get a team and unlock the bootloader/root I've been trying to find possible "bugs" but nothing at all its extremely hard because older tricks that people used are patched and I'm still running 9.0 on my note 10 and still nothing.... I dont want to update to 10.0 till people find a root method but its extremely hard now a days but with a team I feel like it could be done
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] pcriz:
Starting to sound like Field of Dreams in here.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] elliwigy:
eng kernel also wont happen lol in fact last devices to have flashable eng kernels was the S7.. s8 and newer devices u need an eng token to use eng binaries which r hard to find and if u do usually cost an arm and a leg
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] elliwigy:
i been (what seems like) working alone for months n months now.. nit one person has messaged me or even indicated they were also trying lol

im making headway on n960u today.. i can now write to system vendor and odm partitions on combo using my already posted n9 combo root and an olllld trick im surprised even works lol
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] horologist:
i pledge 700 towards the bounty to have the verizion sm-n975u unlocked.

i think the word, cant and impossible are stupid, i think it can be done, but we just don't know how at this time, i did find out something neat, on the verizon variant of the sm-n975u i managed to remove all the verizion branded stuff, even the boot screen no longer shows the verizion logo but only the samesung logo, i did it by changing the CSC code from VZW to XAA, this seemed to have a few effects, it caused verizon visual voicemail to break, and allowed me to remove everything verzion branded, it did not trip knox or unlock the bootloader as i had hoped, but i was also able to do a trick where i flashed the firmware from an XAA sm-n975u1, though the oem toggle still did not appear in that version of firmware either, but i suspect that changing the CSC code, may be the first step in getting where we need to be, now i'm not a hacker or anything like that, and maybe i don't even know what i am talking about, but changing the phones CSC from VZW to XAA seemed to have a big effect on the phone, even when i reinstalled verizon branded firmware it installed with no verizon logo's are apps, thats why i am thinking i may be onto something here. but again, i could be wrong. i simply don't know enough about this to tell one way or the other. but again, i put 700 dollars towards the bounty, also as for the pettition, i would sign it, but the sad truth is, samsung is just going to ignore it, in my phonecalls with them they blame it on the carrier, when i called verizon they blammed it on samsung, so honestly i really don't know wtf is going on here.

maybe my information about the CSC code being changed from VZW to XAA may help? i don't know, but if it does that would make me happy.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] louforgiveno:
Yeah.....No!
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] horologist:
your a special kind of stupid aren't you?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] louforgiveno:
"your".....Rofl.....the fail continues!!!

....the pot calling the kettle.....
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] pcriz:
I agree