yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] hasanghanaei2:
Im finally flashed this rom but after 2 day using this rom :

1_battery drains so fast like sot 4.5 hor with normal use

2_camera bug in short video

3_fingerprint sensor some times error
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] LeddaZ:
This ROM has chinese /vendor partition so more battery than eu with global vendor
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] peter-k:
Really? I did not notice higher drain.

I like MiuiMix since my RN5, now again.
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] TapaSte:
Can the mmx rom be flashed directly from twrp (mauronofrio) if I come from miui global ?

rn8t
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] peter-k:
Yes, but clean only.
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] TapaSte:
Clean ? [emoji848]

rn8t
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] peter-k:
yep clean flash
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] anw4r:
Can I remove preinstalled magisk form this rom? How to remove it safely?

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Can I remove preinstalled magisk in this rom?
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] MPachulski24:
Same here, but Magisk 20.4

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Also, the ROM is great, but I don't know what to do with Magisk update, because it bootloops every time after update and it doesn't matter if it's flashed from Recovery or Directly from Magisk app

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Do you plan any future updates to this ROM or it's a final version?
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] peter-k:
The ROM is now at version 12.1, I am on the weekly from 02 July. The XDA thread is not kept updated.
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] MPachulski24:
Ohhh, thank you :D
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] peter-k:
New version 20.7.9 is out. Installed dirty for me, just wipe caches.
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] JonnyBoy1984:
Which Firmware do I have to install ?
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] jeremyroot:
I have installed this again and it has no root and Magisk won't open when I tap.

Does anyone know what I may have done wrong?
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] shubh_n00b:
This rom is from december 2019. Why don't you try something newer?
[Redmi Note 8 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other De] jeremyroot:
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[Xiaomi Redmi Note 6 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] PeppeCNN:
/*

* Your warranty is... still valid?

*

* I am not responsible for bricked devices, dead SD cards,

* thermonuclear war, or you getting fired because the alarm app failed. Please

* do some research if you have any concerns about features included in this ROM

* before flashing it! YOU are choosing to make these modifications, and if

* you point the finger at me for messing up your device, I will laugh at you.

*/

I wanna thank you for all requests for MiuiMiX by MMX Team...now is ready!!!

This is a new custom MIUI based on xiaomi.eu, our target was make smoother and with better battery life, for do it we used stock china vendor, and our boot patched with preinstalled magisk 19.3. (if magisk manager propose to update, decline because magisk 19.4 is still canary so not stable. Go in magisk manager setting and choose as channel for update

stable

)

For flahs MiuiMix u need a format data from twrp, if you come from another rom, than flash the rom and enjoy. Easy!

MIUI 11

Download: stable https://androidfilehost.com/?fid=4349826312261630487 NEW UPDATE! 11.0.1.0

we follow also other devices, you can know more and update in our telegram channel https://t.me/MiuiMix

Telegram group: https://t.me/miuimixofficial

If u want contribute for MiuiMiX's development: http://paypal.me/mmxteam

CREDITS:

xiaomi.eu (they always do a great work!)

Xiaomi Kernel(https://github.com/MiCode/Xiaomi_Kernel_OpenSource)
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 6 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] tozneedrom:
Thanks man for investing your valuable time in tulip.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 6 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] Dailtonvs:
the post says 28/11 however the download link is from 14/11
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 6 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] PeppeCNN:
Yes I updated post with last weekly shift all together... anyway is updated on last version available

Inviato dal mio HD1900 utilizzando Tapatalk
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 6 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] iagossilva:
Camera isn't working, it's giving a error message
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 6 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] PeppeCNN:
Camera was tested, in stock works.

if u used magisk modules, custom kernel or didn't followed correctly instructions for flash roms...it can happen but doesn't depend from rom

Inviato dal mio Redmi K20 Pro utilizzando Tapatalk
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 6 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] CypherPotato:
stucked in a bootloop after flashing this. probabily my firmware got bricked.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 6 Pro ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries,] gabrielgaldino:
Download link isn't working?
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] Demolition49:
All other pixel devices got this months update but the 4 is left out? Any reason why?
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] EeZeEpEe:
https://www.androidpolice.com/2019/...et-last-patches-pixel-4-conspicuously-absent/
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] Demolition49:
I saw this article earlier but they seemed to have updated it, a week late and still no fix for the face unlock, I was hoping to sleep comfortably lol
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] teja77:
https://9to5google.com/2019/12/02/december-pixel-4-update/

Coming in the next week
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] rajendra82:
How have you been surviving this past half decade, because someone could have unlocked the phone with your fingerprint while you were asleep?
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] Demolition49:
Haha... Yes it's possible. But generally if somebody touches my fingers/hands during sleep I'd notice it. Being asleep without anybody even touching you and getting in your phone is definitely not ideal. I use lockdown mode if really needed, but looking forward to the fix.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] Paz9:
why would you be sleeping in the same house with someone who may have malicious intent in unlocking your phone?

i thinks thats the more serious question to ask....
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] EeZeEpEe:
For me, I hope the December update fixes my data connection issues I've been having since the November update. Also to fix the overlapping icons (as seen in the screenshot) when in fullscreen mode like Android Auto and playing media that's Motion Sense capable.View attachment 4894157
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] crusht:
...dorm,army barracks etc. Everyone has a different life.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] CyberpodS2:
I found this little bit interesting. Looks like the 3 device update variations are grouped differently than last month. Still wondering if it's only modem or others differences. Lol

//

Pixel 4 and Pixel 4 XL will start receiving the update next week, and Google has laid out what carriers each of the three builds will correspond to:

T-Mobile, Fi, EMEIA: QQ1B.191205.011

Japan & Taiwan: QQ1C.191205.016.A1

All other carriers: QQ1B.191205.012.A1

//

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Yah, Hell just falling asleep in the break room at work on nightshift presents it's opportunities... Lol
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] DarkShadowMX:
What data connection issues? I've been having some of my own but I'm trying to see if it's something I did or what
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] EeZeEpEe:
https://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=4004255
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] DarkShadowMX:
Thanks, good to see I'm not alone on this
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] EeZeEpEe:
So you've been having similar connection issues as I described in the other thread?
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] DarkShadowMX:
Yeah I'd say so. Mobile data keeps going to 3G and sometimes drops completely, coming from a Pixel 3a XL that gave me no issues this is pretty weird (and disappointing if it's because of the November update)
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] EeZeEpEe:
Yeah sounds the same. You can even see the 3G for me too in my earlier screenshot. Data was just fine out of the box and with my Pixel 2 XL.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] Paz9:
I guess everyone has their own security risks
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] biggiestuff:
I hope this actually is true and the december update fixes the BT mic issues.

https://support.google.com/pixelphone/thread/18116513?hl=en
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] pacman photog:
google actually stated in an email it would all be released dec 5,

but they also stated ALL device images would be up dec 5, without them even looking at their own site to see,

wow they are stupid
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] pilotgav:
If you're in danger of someone sneaking in when you're sleeping to unlock your phone you have better things to worry about than face Unlock :D

Just kidding I get that it's a flaw.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] cursedwave:
Regarding a sideload, it doesn't prevent you from getting future OTAs, right? I sideloaded the November update without issue and I wanna wait for the December OTA to hit my phone.

Currently unrooted and 100% stock. Bought via Google Store and currently on Google Fi
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] UnseenMaster:
Oops. Sorry.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] cazman420:
Just got the update today. Unlocked from Google. T-Mobile.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] wyelkins:
Finally
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] splink7007:
That's a good question. I'm not sure if you side load, will you get future ota's. I asked earlier as well. I guess let us know if you get it lol
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] UnseenMaster:
Just got my December update. Pixel 4 XL on TMobile.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] cursedwave:
Well, I actually got my OTA a few hours after posting that, so there's our answer! :good:
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] Bwyan Benton:
Where is this email you speak of?
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] MicroMod777:
Wow, still no update. I did experience Bluetooth glitch. Need fix!!
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] Jiggs82:
It's coming next Monday
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] MicroMod777:
Monday??? Well guess better than never. :good:
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] Jiggs82:
Yup https://www.androidpolice.com/2019/...et-last-patches-pixel-4-conspicuously-absent/
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] superchilpil:
FaceID and Face unlock are still less secure even if they require your eyes to be open. All you have to do to bypass it is hold some sunglasses in front of their face while there asleep and it'll work.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] dimm0k:
if you have shady friends that want to unlock your device while you're asleep, I'd be more worried about that
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] sruel3216:
Seriously. This is not even a worry of mine.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] crusht:
Anyone get the update yet? Nothing here...
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] lattosimbaste:
Not up yet on the developer site...

developers.google.com/android/ota
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] bill10:
Not a huge deal but shouldn't the latest flagship be first priority lol
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] superchilpil:
How does the quality of my friends have to do with the fact that the flaw exists?

It doesn't have to be a friend that takes advantage of the situation.

I also was not bashing faceID or faceunlock. I was just stating that a exploit exists in both apple and Google's implementations and so any arguments that Apples version is better is a moot point.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] bill10:
Should have never happened in the first place. Google fd up plain and simple

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Just an update.. spoke to Google and no December update in sight. Could be delayed. Not holding my breath on this but 4 o'clock now should at least be on the website
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] jmartin72:
So where the hell is the December update??? I know it's supposed to be this week, and Google didn't say today, but WTF Google......
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] MicroMod777:
In a way its a good thing there's a delay because that means they are really fixing up all the bugs. Hopefully we'll get the video camera 60fps 4k update too.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] i42o:
There will be no update for p4 today. Just got off the phone with a friend that works at the pixel department.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] bill10:
Lol, yeah sorry that's not the reason... It's late because it's Google
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] Jiggs82:
Well that sucks lol my guess now is probably this Wednesday cuz that's there other usual os/security updates release days..... but hopefully sooner?
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] chazall1:
lol No It's late because it's Google is fixing issues.

No big deal.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] ilal2ielli:
My uncle that works at Nintendo said that his friend at Sony, spoke with someone's boss at Microsoft, who has their cousin that works at Google said it would be today though.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] i42o:
bet?
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] bill10:
Do you listen to yourself?
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] ilal2ielli:
Yes. I bet you it'll come out.

Yes. Don't you listen to yourself?
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] btonetbone:
My phone is installing the update now!
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] Jiggs82:
Pixel 4 or 4 xl? And unlocked or from carrier?
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] btonetbone:
4xl on Verizon.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] bill10:
Updating here in Canada
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] i42o:
.no factory image =?
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] RoccoN4:
Me to. Unlocked on Bell in Toronto
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] gp-se:
Updating now, purchased on contract from Rogers in Canada.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] i42o:
Can someone post stock boot image? Thank you
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] in_dmand:
I got the update as well so apparently it did come out today! I'm unlocked on a pixel 4xl from the Google store in the US
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] wrongway213:
Fi, still waiting
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] wyelkins:
Still waiting
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] c_86:
Nothing on dev site. I never do Ota. Flashall all the way. But nothing to download still
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] Paz9:
Received it via OTA
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] thepersona:
the update as well I'm curious did your update include the photo blur ability on the Google photos app? Mine does not. I'm wondering if anyone else has had this issue.

I'm using an unrooted (assuming it's unlocked) pixel 4xl I got back 2 weeks ago.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] DinarQ8:
Hi all. Any one have issue with face unlock? Not work at all with me!! I deleted data face and try to setup again but not unlock with face unlock :/
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] syrkel2:
Got it on financed device from Sprint last night about 8pm. 4XL
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] dhacke:
You're not the only one. i'm waiting for the factory image, too:eek:

Hopefully they will upload it today or tomorrow.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] bill10:
Yes I got all the updates.. I'm guessing the in app updates are server side. Just make sure all your apps are up to date
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] splink7007:
No update available for me, AT&T pixel4XL
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] Bwyan Benton:
Guess your friend doesn't know to much cuz I got my update.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] pacman photog:
images are not up,

but ota came last night and i see is causing many issues,

if you OTA, we all know that can cause issues,

either wait for image and flash new

or

ota and hope all works,

if you ota and doesnt work 100%, factory reset
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] dpw2atox:
No OTA here, I didnt get the November update for a few days and ended up sideloading it. Hoping the Dec update shows up soon, p4xl unlocked on T-Mobile.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] RoccoN4:
Zero issues with OTA. Phone is running perfect.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] techbeck:
Any idea when Google is going to post the factory images for December?
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] jmartin72:
I would assume today around 1PM Eastern time. That is usually when the monthly updates are posted. This month has been out of the norm, so no one really knows at this point.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] kowy3:
Just got the December update (OTA) this morning. Everything has been working fine so far.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] techbeck:
Ok, so hopefully less than 1hr then...shall see. Thanks
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] thepersona:
Wierd cause my photo app updated before or after the it's so one would assume I'd have it but nope. I'll double check the playstore if there is any new updates. Thank you.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] bill10:
Yeah I had it yesterday and now its gone lol
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] Sunnyschlecht:
Factory images for december are up!
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] thepersona:
Okay lol that's wired hahaha, no updates on my end and I still don't have it so who knows maybe it'll pop up at some point or a restart might fix it? It's all good I just have to go through the extra legwork to do the same thing so it's fine.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] techbeck:
Factory images are up!
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] dhacke:
Juhu:highfive:
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] techbeck:
Scratch that...just the OTA...Factory image should be soon.

Factory was available after I typed the above.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] MohamedRaafat:
Hi,

I have the bootloader unlocked and magisk installed so can someone please tell me the steps to installing the ota while preserving everything ? The phone wants to download the ota once it connects to WiFi so what would happen ?
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] dhacke:
Deleted
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] techbeck:
Yea, they posted as soon as I finished typing my last reply. So bad timing on my part.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] DoughMucker:
So which is the correct image to get? Google's note says "All other carriers: QQ1B.191205.012.A1" which is mine. But their posted images for that revision says "10.0.0 (QQ1B.191205.012.A1, Dec 2019, ATT Only)"

Mine's not AT&T.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] gettinwicked:
Sooo, which one is for the Google unlocked version? November had a 011 build. Google's page below shows 012.A1 being 'all other carries,' but the images show ATT only for that build... 011 doesn't show anything on the images page, but on the page below it says T-Mobile, Fi, EMEA... Anyone know what's up with these?

https://support.google.com/pixelphone/thread/21769134
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] matssa:
On my end last time I made the OTA update and it installed the V014 build of November. Seeing that it concerns Google Fi and Tmobile, I decided to go with the V11 since it's the only one without any .A1 behind it and since it concerns the Google Fi / Tmobile again.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] Msan2000:
I updated last night.. In Canada on Virgin Mobile and Telus. Pixel direct from google.

Mine updated to QQ1B.191205.012.A1
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] novas78:
Unlocked 4XL from Google Store DE, carrier T-Mobile CZ
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] matssa:
FYI just tested flashing the 12.A1 and I don't have any radio, goes directly to airplane mode. So maybe this one isn't good and should be the 011.

I'm on the unlocked version of the phone, not carrier specific btw

EDIT/// Ok so maybe the airplane mode was on, didn't see that it was activated by default so no idea if the 12.A1 is OK. In any case I made a topic on the Google forums to see if someone has the answer lol
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] Atomregen:
No factory images for me
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] Quizo:
i don't see any December images on google site yet
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] dhacke:
I see them.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] Msan2000:
They are there.. your webpage is probably cached..
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] bobby janow:
Weird thing is the 12.A1 image says ATT only yet I got that one on the OTA yesterday on my Fi / Verizon P4. So what is it?
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] Badger50:
I used the 012.A1 factory image for my device with Verizon as my carrier. All is working well including wifi calling :good:
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] Atomregen:
That was it.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] splink7007:
So when will at&t release the ota?
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] v12xke:
You can d/l and flash the Dec. at&t OTA right now. No waiting.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] splink7007:
Been out of the game too long lol. Don't even have ability to adb fastboot or anything on PC anymore. Haven't tinkered since HTC days lol.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] DoughMucker:
Thanks. I'm going to wait to see what google says...I also posted in their forums just a bit before you.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] cliffr39:
I bought the Unlocked 4XL from Google to use on T-Mobile. It came with the .007 (Oct) and .007.A3 (Nov). December they have .011, .012.A1, and .016.A1, so which one would be the right one to grab this time?
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] Alcolawl:
Anyone having trouble getting battery percentage to display on the status bar after the update? Toggling the option in settings doesn't seem to do anything. I'm just left with an outlined battery symbol.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] Badger50:
Are you by chance running a Tulsadiver mod?
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] chazall1:
coral-qq1b.191205.012.a1 all good here

Straight Talk att

Unlocked from Google Store
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] dratsablive:
Same for me. Regular AT&T but purchased from Google Store.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] cliffr39:
OK confirmed with Google Expert support the *.011 is the right one for Unlocked (even though it was *.007 before).
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] crusht:
Did anyone in the US actually get the update through OTA or is everyone downloading it?
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] btonetbone:
I'm in the USA, received it via OTA, and was the first person to post that I got it.

https://xdaforums.com/pixel-4-xl/help/december-update-t4013587/post81153613
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] Alcolawl:
Nope. No mods or themes. Just a custom kernel.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] Badger50:
I don't know how you updated to December patch, however, might be a mismatch if you fastbooted the factory image. Did you notice it on stock kernel as well?
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] oraned:
There are 3 files Which I need to download???

i have coral
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] Alcolawl:
This only started after I sideloaded the December OTA. At first I thought it was a new UI design but I'm sure something got screwed up.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] Paz9:
012.A1 used to be 007.A3 (purchased from Google store Australia)
[Google Pixel 4 XL Questions & Answers] Badger50:
Definitely a possibility as I have seen a few other wonky issues with fastbooting the wrong factory image. I would imagine that the OTA could be much the same since there are 3 to choose from as well.