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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] utvol06:
There wont be driver issues..it will come with built-in hardware acceleration via an ATi chip like the X1. The tytn II has no hardware acceleration what so ever, plus the missing drivers.

Now as to which to get X1 or Touch Pro is a tough choice.

I am for sure upgrading to the Touch Pro or X1 when they come out in September for the US versions.

Pros:

Lets face it

: VGA screen(sharp crisp images/text/video), another 128Mhz faster, another 160mb system ram, true 3d hardware acceleration via Ati chipset, touchscreen 3D, 5 row keyboard, a flush screen, camera flash.:D

How can you say no to that?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] fb401:
Then you're staying with HTC lol.

Anyway, I'd go for the upgrade if I had the money. VGA screen, slick interface, faster processor, more ram, better camera, I could keep going.

I'm one of those people who could careless about something like that. A quick wipe clears that up. You'd probably scream at the sight of my ipod lol.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] branko.savic:
RDS= TMC for GPS?

Sense it has RDS radio, is it possible that it will recieve TMC signals for navigation?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] branko.savic:
Ok, so there will be no more issues with the drivers?

I tought that the information was not out yet, where did you hear or read that?

Also does that mean it will perform better when it comes to watching videos, and taking pics with the camera?

Thanks!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] moegdaog:
Like somebody said alrdy, the touch pro is just the htc diamond with a slide out keyboard...i personally dont think the diamond is as good at certain tasks like the kaiser is, like possible business/exchange email. On the multimedia standpoint all the kaiser needs is for the drivers to be released for full potential of video playback for the camera video recording and some other applications to be used to full potential but other then that, viewng of avi's(dvds) and youtube seem crystal clear or as good as a 2.8" screen can get. Both will have similar ati graphics cards or qualcomm chipsets, the pro supposedly will have hardware acceleration but will see(some specs are rumos dont belive everthing you read). Also the Kaier is 400mhz i mean that is pretty fast for a phone, try to remember that ad for the pro to have another 100mhz of course it will be faster but how much of a diference will that feel like when ur using the phone. Same Qualcomm processor but probably the MS7500... so im guessing, as for the extra 128megs of ram...i barely use 20-30 megs of a total of 125 on the kaiser, with my 4g micro sd card, i dont put any apps on the phone period so i dont think extra ram in a phone is that great of an eye turner. The main plus i see with the diamond pro is the VGA and tv out tuner, two things the kaiser doesnt have but its a matter of opinion if ur gonna be watching tv on a 2.8" phone...avi's are my limit and thats during spare time at work and same with youtube. I dunno...i say if the drivers for the kaiser come out by the time the pro comes out, an upgrade would have to be seriously convincing because with the video drivers, the kaiser will feel like a brand new phone again. I had no actual issues with the video playback and didnt see what all the hoopla was about with the lawsuit action and thread upon thread about the drivers until i went to a Barrack Obama rally and tried recording a video of his speech and noticed my recording looked like i was in the matrix going slomo dodging bullets like neo basically my video recording playback was like i had a nokia instead of the flagship Tilt, I then realized my old hermes used to record crystal clear on a 2 megapixel camera but now my kaiser felt handicaped in the camera department. Thats my two cents on my Kaiser, so if the pro has these playback issues, an upgrade will be a waste of money because both phones seem similar and HTC better improve on their customer awareness before they keep coming out with high end phones. I see very few advatages in the pro for me to drop another 400 plus broohaha's on it or even have to extend my contract for a milion years to upgrade to it.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] branko.savic:
How is Touch Pro and HTC Diamond the same phone?

Ok first of all the Touch pro is going to have a 528 MHz processor which I think is a huge difference from the 400 MHz we have now!

Second it has alot more RAM, 288 MB! I think this device will be lightning fast!

I dont see how you can say that HTC Diamond and HTC Touch Pro is almost the same phone? If you check out the specs you will clearly see a difference!

HTC Diamond Specs:

http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=46286

HTC Touch Pro Specs:

http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=49524

Also Diamond does NOT have tv-out what I can see! It lacks memory card slot and has built in 4 GB instead!

The only problem I can think of is if it indeed lacks proper drivers!

If this is not the issue anymore, then I will certainly go and buy it!

I would also like to know it it is possible to recieve TMC information now when it is equiped with an RDS Radio?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] moegdaog:
im not saying its a similar phone i just think that the upgrade in speed and ram isnt going to thrill a whole lot of kaiser people in shelling out the dough and extending contracts when the kaiser is a very efficient and solid phone bro....just that the second those drivers get droped it will be like ownning a brand new phone, that diamond is going to hit the back burner and be purchased by people who just wanna have the latest and greatest. The kaiser has alrdy been upgraded too by hermes, wizard, mda, treo and other older htc phone people because of its flagship credentials and solid specifications (built in GPS being one of them) for all us kaiser people to upgrade now to the next latest and greatest will take alot, just my opinion. And if this pro's video playback issues are the same why would anybody upgrade. I really think the only people upgrading to it if the kaisers drivers come out are people just wanting to say they have the newest htc phone. Also Branko for the pro to not have a memory card slot and only be able to store 4 gigs is deffinetly a turn off....i have a 4 gig in my kaser right now and i usually have a minimum of 3 to 4 900 meg avi movies in my tilt at a time with another 4-5 album mp3's and not including my word and pdf documents for school, so i like the fact that i can swap out my 4gig and put my other 2 gig micro sd card in when i need to. I mean the Kaiser is expandable to 32gigs...doesnt that option make the kaiser the flagship phone that it is? i dunno but the pro doesnt tickle my pimple but i guess it does yours!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] branko.savic:
I do get your point, but the fact is that the HTC Touch Pro does have an sd card slot just like the Tytn II! :D It´s the Diamond that has the 4 GB Built in and no sd card slot!

So you can say that HTC Touch pro is everything that Tytn II is now and much more :D

However I do agree with you that if it does not have the drivers in place it wont really matter!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] branko.savic:
Can someone please verify?

Can someone please verify that the HTC Touch Pro wont have the same driver issue that Tytn II has?

Please this is of great importance for me to decide if I will buy it or not!

Thanks!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Boinng:
No way on earth would I rush this upgrade - whatever people are claiming/assuming here there are still question marks over exactly what level of hardware/driver support the Diamond/Pro range have, bearing in mind that their VGA screens require more horsepower anyway. I'd wait good and long for plenty of real world feedback and/or comparisons with the competition.

The Tytn II is still an excellent device in the meantime.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mimimui:
I do plan for an upgrade -- mainly for the TV out function for powerpoint presentation purpose. But of course, the video driver support is a must. I'm sick of the terrible camera of kaiser.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] moegdaog:
wait for it to come out then we'll see how great this phone really is....and if its that great ill wait 4-5 months when its selling for half the price on craigslists and buy it...o and sell my kaiser to some dumb ass on craiglist too for same price i got it for (350).
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] adem_7:
Staying with Kaiser for some more time.

We don't have any service plans or contracts here, so I am painstakingly saving 50 to 100 euros every month to pursue my interests in these toys. Have to admit that with great stuff always happening and available from this site, I am not bored yet with the Kaiser. I think also that the upgrades are not so significant yet for me to migrate. So I'll just wait and see what comes next, and think of upgrades around May next year.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] crashsvg:
disappointment

at first i had a n95 which did every thing but still i lusted of the htc tytn2 keyboard.i payed 700 us for my tytn2 and by the second day i started having regrets.iv never met a phone that requires so much patches and the driver issue is just ridiculous.this was my first and only wm phone i'll ever buy.htc has left me feeling that all wm devices are crap(although i no better).so am packing up my tytn 2 in a box and buying a n95 8gb because not even d n96 caz thats gonna have huge battery problems..but if i had a choice id buy the new se x1 becasue i am sure se are'nt as worthless as htc to fix there problems..I'LL NEVER BUY ANOTHER HTC PHONE AGAIN..
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] branko.savic:
Comparing WM and Symbian is like comparing oranges and apples!

No offense mate, I have used symbian os and it´s great but it can not be modified as easy as WM, so it´s just not enough for me! But if you like simplicity and dont want to modify and improve your product, then I would say go for the N95! :)

Anyway, I have ordered my HTC Touch pro and it should arrive sometime next week, I will let you know what my first impressions are when I get time to play a little with it!

I would also like to know if anyone else has it, what´s your impressions so far?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Mikulec:
Maybe u can post this question in the touch pro thread. There are people who already have the phone, so they should be more helpfull.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] NuShrike:
Who the hell are you to say that? What do you know and where the hell have you been?

The HTC-CA 3D driver for the Kaiser is using the same 3D driver as the Diamond, and as well as the Touch Pro whenever there's ROM dump. Same ATI hardware, same drivers, same bugs (blurred D3D text).

Therefore, same issues, and same lagginess. Check out the GLBenchmarks. HTC has NOT accelerated GDI for anybody at all. They copped out and went TouchFlo3D instead.

All of HTC's latest hardware are slower than the iPhone, almost all Sony Ericssons, and all Nokias.

If you felt like giving HTC a large chunk of your money again for minor hardware upgrade and VGA, even when they'll happily still give you the finger, then I recommend going to the Touch Pro just so you can get HTC support for updates since Kaisers are the experimental throwaways of yesteryear and are still being *****slapped by HTC's extremely poor choice of going Qualcomm.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Mikulec:
Maybe he didnt know that. His post was 2 months ago.

So, NuShrike, from your post I assume you are not going to buy a Touch Pro. Right?

Do u have any ideas on your next phone?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dtag:
How 'bout upgrading to something else, like say, the Samsung Omnia....:D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] NuShrike:
You're right. 2 months ago, info was slim to none, although I would argue there was enough evidence to lean on existence of ati hardware.

Not convinced that the Kaiser has been fully milked yet. Thing works as a world-wide 3G phone, and some PIM functions and that covers what I need. The rest I fall back to my Sony Clie NX80 and Palm TX.

I'm an Apple II guy so you know how far we push hardware. ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Mikulec:
There are always people who still claims that there is no hardware acc.

I hope we will have fully functional Kaiser one day.

An Apple guy? :eek:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Omareo:
1000 yesses, it is worth it

i just brought my Touch Pro 5 days ago, the touch pro is just great, i mean with alot more ram/rom (you can install your must have programs directly on the internal storage which will save you lots of crashes and system problems) , slightly faster CPU (yes you can see the difference), true 3d acceleration, the light sensor/G-sensor (which is a nice toy for now but with the great XDA developers, we will have some usefull apps) ,the camera with flash, the VGA screen, the tv out (haven't tried it yet, doesn't come with the box), the sensitive touch panel, the nice design....... and the irritating slow rotation in the Kaiser is now super fast on Touch Pro, the keyboard.. well the kaiser keyboard is better because of the bigger keys and the tilt......and of course the touch flow 3d....... Guys, it is worth it.... and btw, it has more rom/ram compared to Omnia and Diamond..................
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] gogol:
Forget both ... and wait for HTC Touch HD :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] :
I agree.. Or even the yet unannounced HTC Touch HD PRO (with a keyboard).
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] blyx21:
hows the battery issue of the htc touch pro, coz my kaiser drain much faster than my old hermes.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] cv2k3:
Depending on which continent you're from. I have to skip the Touch Pro because it doesn't seem to support 3G in North America.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] vcespon:
I decided to skip Touch Cruise, Touch 3G, Diamond, Touch Pro, and wait for Touch HD. I have already preordered one. I still don't know the price but the order can be cancelled without problems if necessary.

A 3.8" screen is more important for me than anything else. All the rest of the features are very standard now. All models are 3G, all have GPS, all have VGA... I do not intend to spend $800 on something that is slightly better, has to be something that provides new possibilities.

My device before the Kaiser did not had 3G, GPS or hardware keyboard. But it had 2 Mpix camera, 2.8" screen, bluetooth, WiFi, Windows mobile 5...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] godfa7h3r:
Agreed. My only reason for not getting a Touch HD the moment it comes it is because it doesn't have a keyboard or D-Pad. If I can get one or the other; SOLD
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] JstarLuvsTina:
f that!

the HD right now is going for 979.00

so u figure with whatever company its being released for..its going to be half, if not half then maybe a bit more..

go with the pro.. last update i got from sprint its gonna be 250 with a new contract.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] borce_razor:
For me, Touch Pro is more powerfull than Kaiser. Anyway, both devices have good custum roms.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Omareo:
more or less the same problem (slightly better)..........
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Leechoonhwee:
I would go for it cuz HP technology is everchanging and you can say like "wait for HD, wait for HD PRO with keyboard,etc"... but heck when is that gonna happen? like 1 yr from now? By then , there will be something like Touch Pro II which is faster, slicker, more technological advance UI than HD PRO with keyboard...

So itz a never ending story and I would say, if you like it just go for it and forget abt watz gonna come out in 1 yr time cuz we are living in NOW... :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Flying Kiwi:
TyTN II preferred over any other current HTC model.

As my contract runs out at the end of September, I'm currently considering if there's anything out there that'll do what I need, better than my TyTN II can.

Before buying another HTC device, I will need to be sure it has full/complete driver support for the OS it comes with. The drivers need to effectively use/enable all hardware built into the device and not skip important things like graphics acceleration. I want decent video playback performance rather than the 'limited' offering currently available.

GPS performance needs to be on-par with WM 6.0 TyTN IIs or better and Tomtom Navigator 7 should be supplied in ROM.

Most importantly I also want the tilting screen so I can sit the device on the table and watch videos (allbeit currently less than perfectly smooth) on the train while commuting.

HTC has nothing suitable so far so I'm sticking with my Kaiser.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] bandit2xx:
Forget Windows Mobile!

Ahhh... after so many troubles, complains and etc...

I don't think it's worth upgrading to anything in a near future cause after all (at least for me) WM is so limited! The screen will always be too small for videos, etc... the software will always be too bugy! When i got my Kaiser i wanted to have JUST ONE device in my pocket with full pc capability or close but now... I mean the kaiser is great and I don't care for video drivers anymore since I don't see no joy of watching miniature films! So i decided to give my pocket another item and went to UMPC! They are still VERY BIG compared to my Kaiser (My Vaio UX only fits in a jacket pocket) BUT offers me High Quality Video, Full computer features, less buggy software (Windows XP Tablet), touchscreen, EDGE modem (I know it sucks great... HSDPA dreams), etc... In the end what I want to say is I'd rather wait for the UMPC market to evolved and get a smaller umpc or mid than wasting 500eur on a mobile that the month after is already out of fashion! HTC kaiser only has 1 YEAR, got me loads of problems and hours struggling to fix issues and I'm gonna get myself in the same thing again?

So it's better to get a simple symbian or whatever-simple-fast non crashing mobile and a small MID or UMPC (cause in the end will cost the same) than a 700eur Windows Mobile Phone! I'm having more fun with my Kaiser now that I don't use it so intensivily!Someday soon there will be MID or UMPC with phone capability and with battery life as long as our mobiles! (cause mids or umpc with phone capabilities exist already, just that battery really sucks!)

For me best option in phones now is not HTC Pro, Xperia, etc... but Eten with Dual Sim capability since I travel alot between Germany and Portugal!

But about the HTC Kaiser and HTC Pro... better wait for X1!

This is just and article of opinion and I'm not advertising for UMPC, MID, Eten, X1, etc... :p Just giving another point of view that some might agree or not!

I ain't no trade mark fanboy... so for me whatever comes best I pick... (When Kaiser came was the best around... so was the one I got)

Greets to all... feel free to reply or start thread about it, etc...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Lawllllll:
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Lawllllll:
MOD EDIT: OH LAWL like LOL I get it, you think you are funny, You're not be nice or be banned.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] pandaboyy:
Pretty loud for a guy who only has 2 posts.

Anyway, to answer your post, I don't think the Pool actually help you didn't it... it's a 50-50.

If the price was somewhere around $300-$500, I would actually get the touch pro, myself. Actually make it $300-$400, because I'm actually very happy with my AT&T at the moment. The reasons why I would replace my TIlt for the touch pro are

1) For the look (much thinner)

2) For the extra RAM and the CPU (Qualcomm MSM7201A 528 Mhz CPU and 288 MB DDR SDRAM )

3) For the better graphic driver

But I still can live without those things for the moment. In fact, I'm holding on to my $1k for the next better phone; I heard they are bringing out WM7 in 2010... I can definitively live with my Tilt till then.

However, the Sony Ericsson Xperia X1 is another choice i'm considering. I want to try something else than HTC. I've been with HTC for more than 5 years now... it would be nice to change gf from time to time.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] bandit2xx:
Can you justify your comments rather than insulting people? What's SOOOO Great about Touch Pro that would make worth trade a device with less than one year?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] pandaboyy:
It's definitively not worth $1k, but all new phone are expensive when they came out. Keep your Kaiser, it's good enough, considering all those ROM you can find on XDA. They overpriced it. and I can't believe the camera is a 3.1MPX.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] balsack:
My 2 cents...

Branko,

There are big differences between the Tytnii and the Touch Pro but it really comes down to how you use it.

TV out, processor, RAM, VGA all great. The reality is that software is getting more complex and GUI's are nicer these days. Case in point: IGO8 is a memory hog. and devices like the Tytnii with a 2D Manila are sluggish and sometimes crash. Especially if you are using the phone at the same time.

It is like PC's. A Pentium processor is fine (for a while) if you don't do gaming or play media. Eventually everyone upgrades their PC the more they use it.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DJ_Bizarro:
HTC makes the X1 for Sony
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RxenDrav:
em...

what works for some may not work for others so the only way unfortunately is to try, buy it....and if u dont like just sell it to others....:D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] denco7:
Lol . If it is a piece of crap sell it to others.

Just remember with any new phone comes a new forum, with new tips and tricks, roms and upgrades.................and problems.

http://www.htcwiki.com/thread/2020370/Audio+quality+problems+on+Touch+Pro

http://xdaforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=438
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mohen:
HTC make me disappointment with there bull**** kaiser video drivers .... over an year pass and there is still no solution .

i sell my kaiser already, don't know what's gonna be my next phone but it's not gonna be touchpro fosure.
[Huawei P20 Lite Questions & Answers] Knorrigbollen:
Hello! I have been bworsing this forum ALOT but this is on of my fist posts.

So0me weeks ago (8 to be speficic) i found a phone at the pub. I went to the police station the day after in hope the owner shuld get it back.

But since this was a tourist from another contry, he never clamied it. So i payed 20 bux and now its mine. Thats kinda neat. The problem is following thue, the police did a factory reset and now the phone ask me for the old owners mail.

I have been locking around whit no real anwers to my problem. Belive me there is alot of diffrent ways to go but none seems to work.

I do undewrstand if you dont whant to help me since you can never know if im lieing but thats up to you.

Is there any smart way to go? Please let me know. You dont have to write a guide just point me in the right direction.
[Huawei P20 Lite Questions & Answers] Paget96:
You cannot pass that.
[Huawei P20 Lite Questions & Answers] Knorrigbollen:
Ofc you can. Did it on my old one plus one.

There is always a way.
[Huawei P20 Lite Questions & Answers] Paget96:
You have done it by flashing ROM without that version of GP services who have security patch. With Huawei ita not so possible because their roms are newer than than that.
[Huawei P20 Lite Questions & Answers] Knorrigbollen:
Dude that sucks monkey b*lls. I was so happy, om stuckt with a Samsung j4+.

How is it even possible that you cant use the terminal and just enable usb debugging?

I wish i did listen to you at the verry beggining, i have spent like 20 hours on Google, but your right, they have made it useless if you dont got the Google login
[Huawei P20 Lite Questions & Answers] Paget96:
If i find a possible solution, I'll reply to you.

Cheers
[Huawei P20 Lite Questions & Answers] sirsh:
Hi,

I have my sister's husband phone to unlock as well. He passed away and all business was done on the phone. She does not know the password for gmail.

Will be a great help.