yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] holiday5804:
I could see where there would be a problem if tran wasnt releasing public versions of 6.0 but everyone who didn't donate will still have access to 6.0. He is simply giving back to those who have given to him either by giving time or money. And by putting a end date on he is just stating that he is releasing the version after that date and then people will have to go with the public version. It is not a deadline as much as a courtesy to let people know when he will be putting out SE and when people will then have to use the public version.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] robpet2:
mums the word
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ttran001:
I do not recall saying that people had to donate to receive the se version.

What I said was that I was going to create a se version for people that have helped me out by beta testing and have already donated would receive the se version.

So, in which posting did I say you have to donate now to receive the SE version?

The main purpose of the se version was to give back to the folks that have helped me out and donated before this version.

I think this is yet another time were people fail to under stand my posting and jump to conclusions.

Going forward, this will be the last time I post anything about a possible SE version.

Folks, If you feel that I'm trying to sell this rom to you, then please take back your donations.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] micool_21:
hmmm, this thread just became serious. i dont feel that came off as a selling of ms prop but more of alittle helping hand for ones hard work and more help testing it. keep up the good work
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] robpet2:
its not that serious... the issue is that this forum is searchable from google ( not just xda search ) and if a nut from MS decides to read this thread it could cause a issue.. .

I have no problem with donating to get a great rom with some extras, its the people that are complaining about it that will bring up a issue..
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] holiday5804:
I dont see where tran could be wrong here at all. he stated that he was going to build a special edition for people who had helped him beta test and who helped him by donating in the past. Then, everyone started donating quick to get in on it and to be nice, (he could have not included anyone else) he put a cut off date for donating before he was putting out SE to include people that were trying to jump in. It was not until AFTER everyone started to donate quick that he did this. My initial understanding was that it was to help people who previously helped him and then everyone quick tried to jump in.... Where is there any wrongdoing on Tran's part? By the way Tran, thanks for all the hard work and my small donation probably helped you a lot less than your roms have helped me.......
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] fzzyrn:
lets put it a rest once and for all.

hypothetically, would I, having never beta-tested or donated, be able to download the SE version?

consider this a litmus test
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] speoples20:
I think that ttran's intentions were good. He wanted to do something special for the people who have shown support for him in the past. He said he was making a SE for people who beta test for him and have donated. Then everyone started donating so they could get in on the SE. Its not mandatory and there will be a 6.0 for people who didn't donate or beta test. I'm more than sure that it will be a great ROM.

I think it just goes to show how good of a cook ttran is and how many people like his ROMS that they wanted to donate and not miss out on what could be a great ROM.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] pgiuoco:
when i donated i in no way felt pressured i did it because i understand the time and effort he puts in to the roms my donating was something i had pplanned on doing and yes did rush a little for the aspect of MAYBE him letting those who donated after he said that to get in on it. ttran even if you dont do a SE version i still hope i can look forward to a v6.0 still, and enjoy my donation no strings attached
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] mailliw_17:
Just keep p your good work ttran...
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] SinisterX:
Wow, thanks for making tran upset guys, people have helped him out, whether it be with Beta Testing or donations. Not some smugg I D 10 T comes in here and raise the question about Tran "selling" the rom? Wow, you're cool. He's not selling the rom, he is giving people a choice for something special for those who have helped him out in the passed.

He never once said that you only get this by donating...he said it was for those that helped it out with donations etc. So everyone decided to have a big big big influx of donations towards tran. Everyone loves him and his roms. Get over it.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] mrbelvedere:
Hypothetically, no. A link will be PMed to the chosen ones to download the SE version. So unless it is leaked by someone then you shouldn't be able to get a copy of it.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] fzzyrn:
well there we go then. Unless its made publicly available, you are ESSENTIALLY selling it. We may not see it as such, but MS's lawyers may see it differently.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] beowolf:
Great damnit, now you idiots are going to drive ttran away. He is sacrificing his time and possible marriage? for you people.

Please ttran, keep doing what you are doing, there are people here like myself who really appreciate what you are doing and know that you are not selling us a rom.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] Icy1906:
negative energy

Well, my best friend is a lawyer and I asked him about it and he stated that that that ttran isn't breaking any laws by creating and giving the rom to a select group of people. He has the right to create roms for anybody he decides to as long as he didn't state a price for the rom.

If you don't like what is going on here, go to another thread and state your opinions because it is not wanted here. This is an individual who is going to potentially piss ttran off and cause him to stop making roms. Please leave with all this negative energy you are causing. :mad:

ttran, we really appreciate everything you have done here....please continue to keep up the good work and ignore those individuals who have nothing better to do with their time but to try to question other people hard work.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] pseudoproto:
I understand the point you're making.

Consider SE like the "Thank You Card" for the toaster. I gave him a "gift" for the OT 5.0 release "party", two months later I get SE as a "thank you". I didn't buy it, he's still giving it away. If he doesn't know who you are to thank why should there be any reason you get it?
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] zeezee:
I agree, Making "SE" available to only tho who Donated or beta test is basically pre-"selling" to those people. Even if their intentions were to just purely donate or to help out.

Lets Leak It. :cool:

note: If it's SE: special edition, you can only get so special for so long b4 its just like the rest.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] MDANavymom:
Yes it is so sad that you chose to post a negative post for your 600th post. I for one donated to ttran, but unlike your posting stated I WAS NOT forced into it. I chose to donate of my own free will. I donate to those whose ROM's I use. I actually feel that I am contributing to their time. I don't know about you but I feel that my time is very valuable, as I'm sure ttran does too. Asking for donations is not the same thing as 'selling', if you wish I can provide definition of both.

Ttran's statement at the beginning of this thread did not leave me to believe that he was 'selling' his ROM, nor that this is what my donation was meant for.

I may not have a law degree yet, but what ttran is doing is not against the law...but instigating a riot is. :)
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] fzzyrn:
your friend may be a lawyer, but he is not Microsoft's lawyer (aka blatantly irrational and zealotous). The problem here is that Microsoft has virtually limitless financial resources, where xda-devs and ttran and those who donated have far less.

I guess maybe i have a fetish for being the devil's advocate?
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] Icy1906:
My friend is a corporate lawyer for your information

What is your point? There isn't anything in ttran statement about selling the rom. Any cook in this forum can cook roms and give them to whomever they want. The key word is give not sell. You are assuming and you know what the happens when people ass-u-me. Microsoft might have limitless financial resources, on the otherhand, this is something that wouldn't hold up in court because he isn't selling anything. They can choose to waste their money if they want.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] Erikbronx:
I can't wait 'til you send us the SE version. Thanks alot TTran!!! :):):)
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] desiking911:
so if i have donated in the past will i get a copy of the SE or do i have Donate again ?

kind of broke right now no extra cash on hand for anything lost my phone and had to pay 110 to get a new one last month since i lost my old one i really needed one for work plus a lot of bill due this month anyway i hope i get a copy.

keep up the great work TTran .
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] tadevinney:
ttran, my donation goes to you with No Strings Attached. Thank you for donating your time with v. 3.0 v 4.0 and v 5.0 that I have enjoyed. If it werent for you and the other hard working cooks MS would have one less customer as the ROM they prepared was incomplete, unuseable and slow. Thank you!

To the "devils advocates" out there, please do not use this form to express your ill will or to cause trouble. We are a peaceful group and if you cant just say Thank You, please do not say anything at all.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] diffrnt:
I agree with you. When I came to this site, I really felt it was a community that help each other out and I still feel this way. Let's just drop this subject and move on. If ttran decides not to release the SE, I would be fine with that. He has already given so much. Thanks again for making my Wing fun and usable!
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] BRODZ2020:
Great Rom.....

NuBee.

ttran001,

Great Rom,

Love the way it looks. Amazing I cant wait to get this on my WING.

I wanted to ask if the Camera will be upgraded on this Rom so that it can take pictures Panoramic style like the Sprint Touch.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] fzzyrn:
yes. let us leave this business behind from this thread. I say this thread be dedicated to discussion of the actual rom, not legal ramifications thereof.

heres the legal thread, complete with poll: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=406021
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ttran001:
Folks,

I've had enough of this talk about the SE version.

All it's doing is bringing me down along with the members of this forum.

There will be no SE version.

I will finish up the regular version since I've already promised.

As for future roms, I'm not sure at this time since I feel pretty down about everything.

All people who donated mainly to obtain the SE version and not to support my work, please take back your donations.

Thanks,
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ttyme745:
wow lol

well now you have pissed the man off
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] waynehathaway:
Well that's too bad. I'm all for doing the right thing. I think ttran stated his intent for the SE earlier in this thread prior to someone poking at whether there is a problem here. Maybe in this post: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=2369044&postcount=190

Thanks ttran for the work and time that you spend on your ROM. Also for maintaining a positive attitude.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] pgiuoco:
well like i said earlier my donation is no strings attached i definitly understand your feelings, i feel bad tho cus i think i was the first one to chime in with the hope its not to late to donate crap, well anyway i hope we dont loose u as a cook because u really have a gift for it and since your roms i actually like my wing
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] kidnamedAlbert:
i dont know about anyone else but this is what caught my eye about the SE and made me want it or at least try it

"After flashing this rom you will get the following memory specs.

42MB + Storage and 24MB + Programs

With a very cool looking interface running

...hint..hint"

@waynehathaway, i didnt mean to make it seem like i was going to donate to get it but im just i would donate to all cooks that ive used their roms, especially ttran since his roms are what made me take the chance, hard-spl and try a custom rom
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] nKiwan:
I hope my donation from helping u out with ur bet with ur wife and beta testing ur Micro OT 4.0 still qualifies me for this version :).

I've been away lately, sorry for not being as active.

Thank you Ttran.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] kidnamedAlbert:
um incase you didnt read,
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] joking:
TTran why do you have to pay attention to someone with a negative opinion like that? There is always someone like that everywhere. Someone who just want to spoil the fun when they can't have it. Look how many people here support you and happy with your rom. Without your rom I would sell my wing and get another phone instead.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] Gman65:
Keep Your Chin Up Tran

When I donated, it was for your time and effort. I had no other motive, other than making my wing 100% better. Not that it needs to be said, but I will. I donated after using OT 4 Biggy( and being blow away by your skill). With no expectation of getting a then unknown thank you.

Respectfully
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] N3xt2N0N3:
Ttran not to come at you or anything but i dont how you made your decision off of two people opinions on the SE version...TWO PEOPLE...it kinda shows who won this battle
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] jjroc1:
youneed haters

hey ttran. anytime your good at what you do you are going to have haters. they always want to spoil it for everyone.

I have not been able to donate yet, but clearly understand that "thank you's" are in order for everyones hard work. so I wait for 6.0

ttran I will donate when I get caught up...regardless of the haters.

you have to do you and yours.

I just hope you decide that enough people love you here that we can out the haters and enjoy these great roms.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ttran001:
Hi,

It's not about wining or loosing a battle. I do not want them to keep spammnig this forum and possible making me the person causing issues for xda-developers. I love this forum and would not want to see anything happen to it.

That's the main reason I don't want to talk about the SE version any more.

Every since I started cooking for the wing, I've always ran into issues with haters and kind of getting tired of it.

I spend too much of my time cooking the roms let along waste it on them.

Since I have so many supports of my roms, I will make the roms for version 6.0 even better then what I had planed for the SE versoin.

Regards,
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] misha:
TTRAN,

I am not taking back my donation,

Keep it, you have earned it, SE or NOT.

Donation is a thank you for all the hard work you (+ testers) have put in even before the v6.0 was a thought in your mind......

Please do not quit cooking.

You are the best chef I know!
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] kidnamedAlbert:
better?

oh man thanks.

i hope this "new interface" will be included :)
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] holiday5804:
ust remember you have a vast number of supporters that will be impatiently waiting for whatever version of 6.0 you put out. Thanks for your time and work, and honestly you make the XDA-Dev site stronger. I personally would not be on this site if not for your roms. I've tried the rest and I always come back to the best......
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] N3xt2N0N3:
i understand ttran...just see the haters as obstacles...they're only going to make u better at what u do...and i see u wouldn't want to be the one to get the forum shutdown but that doesnt mean you cant stand up and defend yourself on what your doin...i appreciate you looking past all this nonsense and continuing to be the greatest cook to ever post in this forum
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ttran001:
I just wanted people to understand how hard it was for me to get this new build to work correctly.

I spent a lot of time along with many other great cooks in this forum to get this build to work.

1. The porting process took me for every since it was originally in Chinese.

2. The rom was made for a VGA device.

3. The rom was missing a lot of files, once I got one thing working another would stop working.

4. Lots of debugging time spent.

Now the rom finally works correctly with great speed.

My purpose of porting this new buld:

To give my users the ability to say that they have the newest build out there.

To give my users a faster more responsive device instead of that slow rom provided with the device.

As for the interface, I have found another one I will use once I get everything working correctly.

Regards,
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] N3xt2N0N3:
remember ttran im up for any beta testing...i been with you since your first rom...and open touch 2.0 which had myfavs...i actually still have that rom...but i was never selected for beta testing
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] kidnamedAlbert:
yeah understand its hard. i cant even port myself much less make for qvga and english.

i didnt mean to make any harm. i mean i loved your roms since the start.

care to show us this new interface? ;)
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] N3xt2N0N3:
lol wow albert aka viekk

yeah ttran update the screen shots
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] kidnamedAlbert:
my bad i misread your post "era" lol

oh and get in the chat room! its lonely
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] N3xt2N0N3:
ttran did u delete your old Open Touch threads? im trying to find keyboard fix cab for Tmobile wing that was in one of them...I only found Open Touch 3-6 and Open Touch 1.0 lol youve grown alot

Open Touch V1.0
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] bugsy714:
I've been with OT since v2.7 and really enjoy the OT series of roms so the donation was long overdue!

It is really difficult for the average rom user to understand how much hard work and time goes into upgrading the wing to these newer builds; for most of us even small bugs can require several days of reading and trial&error....I can't even fathom porting a Chinese language rom and trying to debug it (WOW!!!)

It takes a special kind of person to do all that work for the good of a community and the cooks definitely deserve to be appreciated & respected.

Keep up the good work ttran; every time we show an iphone owner our OT wing and make them turn green with envy it is all worth while =)
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] jaybob413:
ttran,

My donation was made in part for the desire for something new (SE), and in part for all the outstanding work you have contributed in the past.

In any event, with SE out of the picture, I am going to be making another donation to show support for what you contribute to this community.

Thanks for all of your efforts. They are appreciated by many, even though it may not always seem that way.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] Jaidnoire:
you're not successful until you have haters...

I gave my donation because of all of the roms I looked at b4 my very 1st flash, ttran's had what I wanted and was easy to understand. Cooking roms and making these devices better is no small feat and I am greatful to ALL cooks who spend their free time slaving over a hot rom.

First Flash, First time I've EVER donated on a forum and I'm glad I did it - SE or no SE.

Keep up the great work, ttran!
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] speoples20:
I donated but I'm not taking my donation back. I love your roms they always deliver. It just sucks that one or two jerks had to ruin it. Hopefully you won't take what they said too personal ttran. I think the community still loves what you do for us and the work you put in for us. Looking forward to flashing your 6.0 rom, SE or not.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] hubblemw:
Keep my donation TTran I've been using your ROMs for awhile now and love em hopefully you keep making them and thanks for all your hard work.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] Icy1906:
Thanks ttran

You don't have to return my donation. I really appreciate all your hard work. You will be blessed regardless of those haters. Stay true to GOD, family, & friends and everything else will fall in place.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] joking:
I've been using your rom since OT 2, so my donation is an appreciation to your hard work. SE or not i'm not taking back the donation.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ttran001:
Thank you folks

Folks,

Thank you for all of your support, you don't know how much it means to me.

Regards,
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] desiking911:
1st i would like to say sorry if i came of sounding like a A*s in my last post did not mean to but i think it just happed anyway.

2nd i have only made the donation because i love your work so much and wanted to give something back since i have not time money was the only option i hope you forgive me and like many of the other users i would have sold my wing if i did not find your roms so plz let the haters hate and keep up the good work. :)
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] simplicity05:
Heya ttran,

Sorry to see you got haters on you again. At least you know you're doing something right if you're pissin' 'em off hehe.

Just gotta keep your chin up. Once the people who are on your case see that they're getting you down, they pour it on. Gotta just let it go like water off a duck's back man.

Anyways, check your PM bro, I have a few comments about the SE version in there for you - whether you'll finish it or not :).

Take care man and keep on keepin' on!
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] dweeb:
thaNX

im not taking my donations back either,u put in the hard work and deserve everything u got.ive been using ur roms since ot 2.0...i have the whole collection,whether u release or dont release anything else,i thank u 4 all ur hard work,you actually made it fun 2 have this phone,its like one of my hobbies now,everytime i flash a new rom is exciting 2 see wats new...its so Much fun,keep cooking,and i will be donating some more later this week,whether u release anything or not.thanx again
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] MDANavymom:
ttran,

my donation has no strings attached, I expect nothing in return. I just am grateful that those that can cook ROM's do and in doing so it helps me who can't. So my donation is a token of my appreciation for your time and talent.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] Cdiazsr:
Hey TTran,

Envy is a bad thing, dont' pay attention and keep up the good work. Wether or not you release SE, we'll always support you.:)
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] simplicity05:
x2!

My phone is most definitely one more of my many hobbies, all thanks to ttran.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] pgiuoco:
ttran i personally am addicted to flashing ur roms i check back here like 6 times a day, lol, no joke, my wife threatened to take away my phone. there are always gonna be those who will bring you down if u let them, just know u have a whole community here who will seek to bring u right back up. oh and when i get home i'm gonna try v1 and 2 out, always wanted to try them out, but never thought to use the search to find em, sigh still a noob.

Ttran congrats on 1500 posts!!!
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] jstuart99705:
Thanks

Ttran,

First off thanks for all your hard work. I, like most have no problem donating even though there is going to be no SE. I have only started using your ROM's in the past 4 months or so but I do love them and I can tell it takes you a lot of time...time away from your family so thank you.

To those who brought up the legal issue, why would you even want to put a topic on this for MS to dig into...and you know what I say personally if MS wants to come at me then so be it. I like a challenge, I am sure however that MS has bigger things to do then to worry about a few individuals who donated to help support someone who was making a special ROM.