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[Google Pixel 4 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] thunderwagn:
Now I'm starting to remember why I don't participate on xda much anymore. Every thread somehow turns into some kind of childish debate haha. Pretty silly.

I don't know why I need to justify a purchase on an internet forum. I mean I freely gave up my money for something I wanted. I think that's justified. I don't live by reviews and specs alone.

I had the s10+. I purchased the Pixel 4xl. I liked the Pixel better and kept it over the s10+. That's all the justification I need. :good:
[Google Pixel 4 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] bobby janow:
I never really looked at OnePlus phones. I just took a look and they are priced very well. I agree, the P4s should have been similar or maybe just $100 more. But I can't find a small OnePlus like 5" display. Everything seems 6+ (is that the reason for the name Plus?) I presume you meant the iPhone 11 Pro above but even now it's $1000 vs $599 (discounted) for the P4. Same size and just a little better than the P4 that's a lot of moolah to be throwing Apple's way. And here's the kicker. Apple will give you trade-in but only for an iPhone. I mean really guys? At the Google store they have trade-in values for every phone including iPhone. If they would have given me even $200 for my 3a with a BF deal of $200 off then it would have been a coin toss vs. the P4. Perhaps one day if Google keeps this battery as tiny as it is. 3800 minimum for the P5 and 4300 for the P5 XL. Then it's a horse race. Oh yeah, give us a wide angle too so we can shut up all the trolls.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] EeZeEpEe:
No I did mean 11 (non-Pro) versus the Pixel 4 because naturally people compare those because of the prices. I'm with you that the Pixel 4 and 4 XL really compare to the 11 Pro and 11 Pro Max though. But the 3a, and soon 4a, isn't exactly in the same tier as the 11 non-Pro either.

Apple's trade-in is incredible though and it's basically to keep Apple customers coming back. Google's was a joke for my 2 XL and I sold it on Swappa to get a good $200 (which is still weak) versus Google's $120-ish quote.

Yeah maybe the 5th time is the charm to keeping the trolling and complaining to a minimum. I bet the screen will still be the weakest hardware aspect. Haha.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] bobby janow:
So I just went on VZW site and the 512GB version of the 11 Pro is... $1349. I think I'd need to find a good divorce attorney before I bought that or a good football helmet as she comes at me with the Louisville Slugger. The only way I could even justify the $599 for my lowly P4 was to show her the $300 I got for my P3a on Swappa. Are they coming out with a P4a? I went from the P3 to the 3a simply because of DSDS. I'm ok with this P4 for the year but back to the iPhone. That display is just drop dead gorgeous. Looking at both side by side there is no comparison but, ...well it's an iPhone. If someone can get Android on the iPhone natively now we're talking.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] driss.sadok:
So after reading the hole thing, watching every review on youtube, i couldn't wait a minute to own a 4XL from now. Im abt to buy a new phone but am very confused when i watch youtube reviews until i decided to buy a 1+ 7T. but thanks god i read your points of view here, as i was feeling that something doesn't let me make the choice yet, so i wait what to see ppl think abt 4XL.

I'm using the 3XL the whole year, remember the design big notch...... but still it was the best phone of 2018 out there, couldn't find better even with cracked screen, i keep using it and even if i had the chance to buy a new phone it would be the 3XL. BECAUSE of the google's smooth software experience. everything is easy and helpful and so smart. from machine learning to the results u get when u search for something. for my friends who own Samsung and Apple phones, pixel phones is just a mind blowing when talking abt Camera and software experience.

ADVICE What makes me want this phone more, that everyone who likes to get the software updates asap, is that

*Imagine if the Android 11 is out there in couple of months, we will be the first to test it and own it!

*And if there are more phones in the future with Soli Radar, we will be the only ppl from 2019 who can have this feature.

For me this two stupid ideas can convince me easily to take it beside all what you guys said.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] dhorgas:
You want to shut up the trolls you need to get Google to put out a phone that is free of nonsensical compromises and obvious faults that a monkey would spot if trained to point out QC issues. I'm on my 3rd Pixel 4 XL since launch and Google really fell short on what could have been a great device to deliver what is at best a "meh" device. The battery life even in the XL is only average, if not below average. This is not a workhorse phone. The camera is very good, but lacks wide-angle, which is very useful to have when you're trying to use the device to take pictures in tight spaces or want to capture say a view at the beach. Is this a critical omission? No, but it is one that didn't need to happen, especially on a device that is all about the camera. Most importantly though, the display. This is one of the worst displays since OLED launched. The colours are completely off as soon as the phone is not running at high brightness levels. Green tint is present on every phone, making it virtually impossible to use the device at lower (sub 50%) brightness levels. Shadows and blacks are some of the worst I've seen, and are generally lacking or crushed even at high brightness levels. You can't appreciate just how bad the display is until you put it side by side with a Samsung flagship or an iPhone X or newer. This is a wholly avoidable issue, yet Google is so far refusing to even admit it exists despite numerous reports. So yeah, the negative sentiments are unfortunately justified. On the whole, this phone is sub-par. This despite the fact that I own one and am still trying my best to justify keeping it for the long term.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] bobby janow:
[MENTION=4900975]dhorgas[/MENTION] I said get rid of the trolls not bring them out of the woodwork. Jeez. Lol. Why would you keep this device if you are that unhappy? Just curious. You might only lose $100 on the resale.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] EeZeEpEe:
Uh. You must've not had the Pixel 2 XL then. Crushed blacks at anything below 30-35% brightness and of course the infamous blue shift. The 4 XL screen is way better than that.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] dhorgas:
Skipped it for that reason. Expected Google to have learned the lesson. I compare this display to that of the BlackBerry Z30. One of the worst OLEDs I ever saw.

There are lots of software things I like that I don't get on my iPhone and Samsung devices. This is reason enough to try.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] bobby janow:
[MENTION=2840465]EeZeEpEe[/MENTION] Sorry, I didn't mean for this interesting discussion to degrade into a rant against the device. I guess I should have known better by now.

[MENTION=4900975]dhorgas[/MENTION] You should just sell the device and buy a different Android if you like the platform and software. There's really no reason to go off on the phone if you hate it when you can very easily sell it for almost what you paid. Understand, this thread has basically run its course with negative comments that are not constructive. But thanks for contributing.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] EeZeEpEe:
Yeah so you don't know what a terrible OLED screen really is. [emoji6] LOL. For real, the screen is fine with the occasional green (It comes and goes) and it could be brighter.

[MENTION=2659927]bobby janow[/MENTION] It's all good man.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] bobby janow:
Yeah, I wonder why they throttled the brightness on these. Battery perhaps? I thought I saw a root hack that could up the brightness a bunch. Didn't pay that much attention because I'm not rooted. Have you seen that and tried it?

BTW, he's all over the Sammy threads as of a couple of days ago. Why am I not surprised?
[Google Pixel 4 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] EeZeEpEe:
Yeah I'm sure it's for battery reasons. Imagine if this phone really hit it's 610 nits max out of the box? Then people would really be complaining of the battery life.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] bobby janow:
What the heck were they thinking? They better take this to heart and do better next time around.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] dhorgas:
I think you misunderstood me. The Z30 was one of the worst OLEDs I ever saw. The Pixel 4 XL is marginally better.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] EeZeEpEe:
I understood you fine. However, you've got to be exaggerating if a 2019 Pixel 4 XL is only marginally better than a 2013 Blackberry Z30 because the 4 XL amazingly better than the 2 XL.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] dhorgas:
It is somewhat of an exaggeration. Objectively, minus the 90Hz refresh rate, the display is about as good as my S7 Edge back in the day. It is worse at low brightness, in fact, the worst OLED I've ever used for low brightness. The thing is this though - I actually do not think that this is an inherent hardware fault. The gamma calibration is completely off and if Google fixes it, the display could be a lot better. There is no reason for them to not be able to fix it. The green tinting is also a calibration issue. Both can be addressed via firmware but it's up to Google to come through on the fix. In the meantime, it is really not possible to be objective and call this a good phone.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] EeZeEpEe:
Actually you can objective say the Pixel 4 XL screen is good and better than the S7 Edge.

http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_S7_ShootOut_1.htm

http://www.displaymate.com/Pixel_4XL_ShootOut_1P.htm

Here's the color accuracy comparison for example.

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[Google Pixel 4 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] dhorgas:
I'm glad you posted that. This is how marketing works and then there is reality. I will point you to XDA's own Pixel 4 and 4 XL display review that is more scientific and comprehensive than any piece DM puts out regarding smartphone displays.

https://www.xda-developers.com/google-pixel-4-4-xl-display-analysis/

Spend some time to digest the information in that analysis, really digest it. I can't help but put at least some onus of blame on users that cut Google slack on poor decisions, but I do hope that you will find the above article enlightening and will take a more critical view of the existing testing methods and future marketing speak.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] suzook:
https://www-pcworld-com.cdn.ampproj...-christmas-you-should-probably-return-it.html

LMFAO. Another hate article. I have none of the issues this guy claims to have. You would think Apple is writing these articles. Im no pixel fanboy, but there's nothing wrong with this device. At full MSRP? No, that's not a good deal, but with so many deals getting it for $200 or more lower than msrp, it's perfect.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Flockrock:
Why do they bring out this phone so late in the year? A few months after the phone gets launched there will be a new generation of the snapdragon flagchip CPU and many other manufacturers will release models with the new Snapdragon 865. Wouldn't it be better if Google waits with their next generation a bit until new CPUs are released so that they can bring a super up-to-date phone to the market? Even worse that they didn't use the 855+ either which already was released short time before the pixel
[Google Pixel 4 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] EeZeEpEe:
Yes I've seen that article already prior to you posting it. I'm on the XDA forums after all. Why do you focus on just the negatives, which I've acknowledge the green tinting, yet nothing of the positive points including an overall B which is far from worst screen ever?

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Google's been releasing fall phones for many years now. They would either need to bump up or delay a release to move it to the first half of the year. The first option sounds more reasonable because delaying would be a missed chance in a processor generation.

For this year though, there's hardly a difference in 855 versus 855+ so I'm not crying over it. There's even tests showing the Pixel 4 doing better than a phone with the 855+.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] suzook:
Rating screens in color accuracy is flat out stupid. There is ALWAYS a variation in every single screen...doesn't matter who makes it. That's why every phone manufacturer should provide rgb and contrast controls. It's the #1 reason I root and flash custom kernel.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] bobby janow:
Save your breath. You'll never convince a Sammy user that their device isn't the be all and end all. It's some kind of obsession to come onto other forums to trash the device and find articles written to support their beloved Sammy. There must be a repository of all articles positive to their brand from the S4 through the unreleased S11. And the thing is it's probably a decent phone other than well... it has an S in front of it. I wonder if Pixel users do the same thing over there? The shame of it is that they tend to derail serious, critical discussion by their trolling. Why do they feel the need? I'd rather have that psychological discussion in another thread and leave us to wallow in crappy battery life but monthly security updates that come on time. ;)
[Google Pixel 4 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] EeZeEpEe:
True there's variations to every screen but there's still an overall uniform look to a model of phone. It's not one 4 XL is going to look like a totally different screen compared to another. There's only slight variations. That's why I don't think screen reviews are totally stupid.

Manual screen adjustments on smartphones are for subjective likings and not really for calibrating like TV screens. I'm not saying that there shouldn't be settings for that though but I doubt you'll ever see anything like sharpness, tint/hue, white balance, color space, etc. on a smartphone.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] suzook:
Like this?? There should be. Lol.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] EeZeEpEe:
Yes exactly that. No phone has that out of the box right?
[Google Pixel 4 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] suzook:
No, I have custom kernel and fk app. All the controls you need. Not sure why all phone makers don't have this stock out of the box.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Ghisy:
I think OneUI on Samsung devices gives you RGB and resolution sliders. I'm pretty sure I have this on my work Galaxy Note 8. But it's not as extensive as a kernel app + custom kernel.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] EeZeEpEe:
Right. As I mentioned, "Manual screen adjustments on smartphones are for subjective likings and not really for calibrating like TV screens."
[Google Pixel 4 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] bobby janow:
Can you imagine if stock had those controls? The complaints would go thru the roof about this color, that hue... how do I get back to original? Elemental kernel has those options I believe. On my 5X I messed with it so much and I could never get it right. Just thought of this: there was a program I think back in the Nexus 5 days or maybe even before that where you could pick a color profile and apply it. They had dozens of different ones you could just apply. Only thing I would do would be to cool the display a bit. I know it's not true to life but I just like the bluish tints.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] suzook:
The adjustments are not permanent. Your not making sense.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Flockrock:
My point is rather the price. The Pixel 4 XL is - at least in my country - the second most expensive android phone on the market (besides the galaxy fold and some weird "fancy" phones, first place is the Note10+ 5G). Shouldn't it be taken for granted that a phone this price should have at least the most recent CPU? Besides the fact that there are many other things which it misses.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] bobby janow:
Of course they're not, who suggested they were? What are you even thinking that's "not making sense"?
[Google Pixel 4 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] w2830:
The key point here is the price. For the retail price it's asking, YES, it sucks! "Out-dated" cpu even it's the last flagship to come out in the year, ridiculous storage options, horrible battery life, sub par video capability and the lack of more lenses. And where the fxxk is the headphone that's included with every other phone!? Just because you can do better in software, doesn't mean you can skimp on hardware. That's downright greedy and ignorant.

Now, do I regret getting my Pixel 4 XL? NO! Because I got a deal with the carrier. Face unlock is a godsend. The only thing I might regret is supporting a disrespectful company like Google. Anyone defending Google's decision on this phone is nuts!
[Google Pixel 4 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] bobby janow:
Do you realize how angry you are? How do you live like that on a day to day basis owning and using a device from a greedy and ignorant company knowing full well they are laughing at you every second of every day? Why would you do that to yourself? I'm sure you could have gotten another Samsung device for a decent price discount with the same carrier. I don't think you are doing yourself any favors owning a Pixel 4 but hey, different strokes.. right?

But stepping back a bit, can you understand that some people simply enjoy the device? Whether it's the feel, the look, the software, anything. It's disingenuous to say people are nuts simply because you don't agree with their decisions. But I've also gone on rants like this right after my second cup of coffee. So I'm not criticizing your upset but simply your decision to purchase and keep the device. Next time for everything..
[Google Pixel 4 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Flockrock:
He doesn't sound too angry to me. It's more being annoyed that the only flagship phone with pure android is such an overpriced piece of hardware which lacks certain features it should have for that price.

I have got another question:

If google would sell better hardware with its software for a reasonable price, they could easily increase the pixels popularity, shouldn't increasing sales numbers with less profit per phone outdo the current profit per phone and sales easily? Also google is not apple with no competition when it comes to the OS.

I'm not an economy expert but that way sounds more rational to me.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] bobby janow:
If that's not angry I'd hate to be around when he goes off. Bottom line he should have stuck with his Samsung but that's not our issue, it's clearly his.

Ok as to your economic analysis, it's really hard for us on the outside to know exactly at what price point sales will diminish beyond what is viable. I'm sure they have that figured out to some degree. Remember, Apple sells the device for hundreds more than the Pixel 4 line and with no competition they can do that. But Android devices are sold by a myriad of companies all competing for the same space. At some point it becomes a loss leader which really doesn't make sense unless they are simply going for market share.

But there certainly are choices out there so no reason to trash another device or a company when you can simply buy something different. That was basically my point. Would I like to see better hardware and a larger battery, hell yeah who wouldn't. But I made my choice, had 15 days to return it and now I live with my decision.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] w2830:
Appreciate your concern about my well-beings. Well, I'm doing fine, because you read it wrong just like you managed to miss the two major points from my OP. I said it's about the price and the company behind it. I also said specifically I do not regret getting this phone. It didn't occur to you that meant I enjoy it? So where is the suffering from?

Perhaps you are a little too narrow minded to look at things from different perspective. Just because the phone works fine for one group of people, doesn't mean it justifes the price. Example: if I pay for a combo price for a meal, I am not going to be satisfied with just a salad, even though that might be sufficient for me. It's company's attitude I have issue with. It seems you took it personal, which is completely unnecessary and unfortunate. To me, it's just a phone, I go through phones at least 1 per year. I don't attached to them.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] EeZeEpEe:
You're still hurting over that? Phones $700 and over (except for the S10) all have removed the headphone jack. Even OnePlus has done it. It's time to move on or get a USB-C adapter.

I got a lot of angry tone from all the exclamation points and the "fxxk". Just saying.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] bobby janow:
I you have an insufficient meal then go back again to the same location well that's really on you. You had 15 days to return the device why didn't you do that? Either way you have no right to trash the establishment if you went back or a company if you do not take advantage of a return policy if you are not satisfied.

Why didn't you buy another Samsung device? Just curious. If you got a killer deal on the Pixel 4xl then where's the complaint? I really don't think Google has an attitude it's a company that you can choose to do business with or not. Why take it personal?

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Oh he was angry alright. Looks like he might have calmed down a bit.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] w2830:
Headphone not headphone jack!....

Don't you think it's more worthwhile to focus on one's point than the tone?
[Google Pixel 4 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] EeZeEpEe:
Oh because headphones aren't included. Since you said headphone, not headphones, it sounded like you were talking about the headphone jack. Okay I got you but they stopped including them a while ago so it's whatever for me.

The delivery of the message is just as important as the actual message so, no I don't think it's more worthwhile. It's not that I don't agree with you though. There would've been a lot less hate for the Pixel 4 if people's expectations weren't so high. But with a high price, there would be high expectations. A lot of the negativity could've easily been avoided if Google priced themselves according to the Android competition rather than Apple.
[Google Pixel 4 XL Guides, News, & Discussion] Flockrock:
That's exactly what I mean. Would Oneplus still exist if they wouldn't have started with their top end phone at the price of googles pixel? I don't think so. They were a lot cheaper and that way they became so popular. The Pixel is not a well established phone on the phone market and with the price they charge for it I assume it never will be, but they have the potential to do so