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[Touch Cruise General] sonus:
I definitely would not say that the Raphael is the Holy Grail of phones. In fact it is far from it. The raphael is just a Kaiser with a flush screen and prettier touch flo. Big deal, nothing new.

Now I am a huge WinMo fan, but I can still say that the iPhone while it may not be a Holy Grail either, it is still the standard to which all high end phones are being held. It is far from perfect yes, but nonetheless it is the current standard. I'd venture to say that the majority of us that aren't switching b/c we are waiting for some little details in the form of functionality that we've enjoyed with our HTC phones. For some that may be 3G and GPS, for other such as myself 3rd party apps (VOIP!!!), and better bluetooth support (A2DP and tethering). For you that is clearly

Apple is getting closer and closer to closing in on its list of inadequacies with the iPhone, HTC on the other hand is not (and yes I realise that may be b/c they are tied down to WinMo 6.1).

I don't see any WinMo phone coming anywhere near where I or I would assume most of us want until Windows Mobile 7 is released. Windows Mobile 6 is just too slow, too small button oriented, too menu driven, and too lacking innovation (seriously, the UI is pretty much the same as its been ever since WinCE days back in 2000 or earlier).
[Touch Cruise General] Rudegar:
well Raphael got vga over kaiser but then with smaller screens not everybody may notice

the thing that wm got going for it is lots of programs free ones and comercials ones

vs. iphone and android but with time it's not a good sleeping pillow for ms

kinda funny that while the pc world is unhappy with the current ms offering of vista

and want the next thing windows 7

pda owners are unhappy what wm6.1 can offer vs. the compatition so they want the next thing windows mobile 7

wonder if ms will release them at the same time :P :S :O
[Touch Cruise General] dortyboy:
i love windows mobile and will not buy iphone. i was just in an att store today and the guy told me besides the phone being slash by half. u have to pay a huge fee to sign up for service. somewhere over $100. he said it would better serve u if u already had an iphone and wait for an upgrade rather than buying the new one.

as for htc. i am done with them. i wish i could find one of the developers and kick there ass. i am moving to another maker as soon as one catches my interest.
[Touch Cruise General] hambola:
Yeah seriously WM6 is a dated wack ass looking piece of work. All this Touch Flo nonsense is just HTC trying to give their devices a fresher look. Otherwise you'd be staring at that boring ass Today screen that doesn't look good in the ads. Even Apple had to use a screenshot of WM in their keynote speech at WWDC '08 as a joke (how background apps run). This is in addition to the ActiveStink comment, which might be warranted, but I digress.

Point is, it does need to be seriously freshened up as an OS which is what WM7 is all about. However that's still a ways away. Plus barely any WM phones out there have gesture sensors or multi-touch screens anyway. Actually I don't know any that have both. 2 things the iPhone has had since last year. I am also curious as to what Android will bring to the Polaris, but I'm fed up with this dated WM6 OS (and lack of drivers).
[Touch Cruise General] yallow:
Hey, what's the point? Omnia is just another WinMo ****! If you consider WinMo - Polaris is the best thing to buy! IMO.
[Touch Cruise General] omaga:
Yes ofcourse omnia is a wm phone. that wasnt my point. The point was how htc treads us comsumers, selling unfinnish products, you buy a expensive phone and things are missing in the phone which will be upgrade in the NEXT model. I like win mobiles no doubt about that and now im thinking Symbian vs Win. Sorry to say but did you read the Omnia spesifications at all? much better that Polaris?

Omnia kick ass with polaris from that point of view
[Touch Cruise General] mikee5402:
Guys I have both the Orbit 2 and the first gen Iphone and both have there advantages.

However these are being eroded with Iphone 3G, namely GPS and 3G data access.

I have to admit the interface on the iphone is simply incredible, fast and accurate glass screen that does not scratch. it is an absolute joy to use.

is is intuitive at performing ANY function were the Orbit you have to think about what you are doing and then some. The interface on the Orbit is clumsy at best, whilst typing is a joke compared to the iphone, it's keyboard is a joy to use, I can type faster on it than I could achieve on my blackberry.

and to boot the build quality of the iphone is leagues ahead of the HTC product.

The facts are WM6.whatever is slow, cumbersome and needs the update now.

I will still use my Orbit2 as the PC modem function is superb but once the iphone 3G comes is released I would have to say it will get a lot less use.
[Touch Cruise General] Ey3:
Honestly. I was an huge fan of Symbian phones. Now the Polaris is my first WM device and I really like it. After a couple of customizations the device is "fingerfriendly" and I can't remember when I was using the stylus the last time.

But this is not the point. I prefer the Polaris all over the IPhone (3G) because...

... I like to change my battery on my own

... I like to send MMS

... I like to have at least an 3 MP camera on board

... I like to decide to customize the software on my own

... I like to decide who my operater of choice is

... and so on

and compare to the first IPhone the new one is build out of plastic, has still the same "features" and the "innovation" is nothing new.

I am waiting for the Raphael to exchange it with my Polaris. It gives me the freedom I used to have and the hardware features I prefer. :)
[Touch Cruise General] mikee5402:
I can answer all those must haves apart from change battery as yes, just 'get an unlocked iphone' it gives you all those features.

Even the 2Mp camera on the iphone is comparable to the Orbit 2 3Mp.

However in the end everybody to their own.

Simply put IMO the Polaris is not finger friendly at all, the crappy plastic screen that scratches too easily is very un-responsive unless you use a stylus which defeats the object of having a touch screen phone.

I will admit the Polaris is a feature laden beast that has many strong points, but its operational method and UI cannot even come close to the Iphone, it is like comparing Mac OSX Leopard to Windows 95, the difference is that great.
[Touch Cruise General] hambola:
I can give you a much bigger list of things that you probably can't do even with a jailbroken iphone.

As for a screen that scratches, are you using a protector on there? Shouldn't be getting any scratches. I've heard others that don't use a screen protector and say they aren't getting any scratches either but i'm not willing to take the risk.
[Touch Cruise General] Isaygarcia:
i dont really like the iphone's interface.. is.. bored.. maybe with a lot of graphic effects but is just VERY SIMPLE.. many programs for windows mobile can emulate that.. but iphone will never do what windows mobile does..

ORGANIZE..

because is not the same to have a folder for each thing than use a scrollable screen for all..
[Touch Cruise General] nir36:
you should realize once and for all that there are different perfect phones for different people.

i love my polaris.. because it's a small, light device, with GPS and 3G ability.. which i will start using soon.

while other people prefer bigger screens they can buy 3.5inch screens.. i can't stand it.. but the iPhone 3G is good for them.

while i like having a modular operation system.. even tho windows mobile is not perfect, other people love having everything built in, such as in the iPhone. some other people don't mind about GPS.. .. i do.

but there isn't one best phone.. there are a few... depending on the needs of every individual.
[Touch Cruise General] dfields:
What about the Sony Ericsson Experia X1. At first glance, I think it's more powerfull than the Iphone 3G, HTC Diamond (and variants), and the TC. It's WM based, 800x408 resolution, small, light, and works in the US.
[Touch Cruise General] Bodisson:
Don't forget... it'll be made by HTC!

And biig display is worth nill if not supported by applications.

Except if your main goal is to have nice media reproductor combined with phone ;)

Touch Pro looks like killer device ATM...
[Touch Cruise General] dfields:
In general, I agree with you that higher resolution need to be supported by the apps. However, I've also go an Imate 6150, and I used to have an ETEN x800, and I can tell you that even though most of the apps didn't make the best use of the real estate, that the text was much more readable, colors were sharper, icons looked better, etc.

If it weren't for the crappy ROM that comes with the Imate, I would be using it now. And unfortunately, the hacker community for Imate devices isn't as developed as it is for HTC devices.

Of course the other downside to VGA (or higher) is higher power consumption.

Dave
[Touch Cruise General] surgex0:
WELL, i've made many comments in the polaris forum about how I hate my device and I can't wait until the iphone v2 3g to come out...and it's finally here!!

The polaris is a piece of crap..plain and simple

Just to re-iterate, i paid 850$ for this thing, and most of the "features" are completely unusable. I could go on and on, but since someone mentioned the camera of the iphone/v2 I'll speak a little about my experience with the cruise camera.

The camera on the polaris will not even take semi-decent pictures unless there's ALOT of light, and even when there is, it lags the f--- out of the device..The cam on the iPhone has neither of these problems. Also, why the hell does the polaris camera take 5-10 seconds to take the actual pic after you press the button? I've NEVER seen a camera that performs that poorly...and if you move it the slightest during that time, the pic comes out all blurry. In other words -- COMPLETELY unusable -- Unless of course you carry a tripod around in your backpack / briefcase all the time. Then by all means, the cruise camera is definitely for you!

Yes the iphone is not as open as windows mobile, and yes it's going to take some time before we start seeing the aps that there are currently for winmo ported to the iphone. Since I have alot of money to blow, I'm going to get one. I've also been looking for an excuse to ditch my polaris ever since I bought it, and I guess this is just what I was looking for :D

I'm sure the touch pro / rapheal will be a nice phone (alot better than any iphone imho, just from specs), and I will probably end up buying that when it comes out -- unless HTC screws it up or does what they did before.

However, my overall feeling about HTC is there are absolutely and positively NO EXCUSES for what they did with the touch/kaiser/cruise/mogul/etc. I mean come on, they released a whole line of devices (not just one device) where they advertised features and performance that were just not present, and then basically said "the hell with it, we give up, but if you want these features that we told you about, you're gonna have to buy our new products..."

There is nothing they can do that will ever make up for that - even if their newer products are sweet, people will always remember when HTC showed their true colors, and duped all of their loyal customers.

AS for android - the betas look impressive, but I just can't wait any longer. I will definitely consider putting it on the touch pro, when I get my hands on one.
[Touch Cruise General] brucewilsonpa:
I'm sorry to hear you've had such negative experience -- my experience with the TC is quite the opposite, although perhaps my usage is different enough I've not seen the things to which you point.

One very big negative for me with the iPhone 3G: I had 2 iPhones, an 8G and a 16G (yeah, I'm dumb -- couldn't make a decision -- sold the first one after 2 weeks then decided I should really give it a better trial -- that one lasted 8 weeks) -- I can't stand the constraints that Apple puts on these products. Both of my iPhones were "jailbroken" so I downloaded a number of apps and tried them, But neither the Apple-basic stuff nor any of the apps then available could give me anything even approaching the usability of my WinMo devices (and I've been thru a lot as my sig line shows). The 3G will probably not be jailbroken so that means your only source of apps is Apple and, no matter what "they say" I doubt there will ever be as many free apps as we routinely get for the WinMo OS.... and a hunch suggests they'll be a lot more expensive (I purchased only one for my iPhones -- $40 for a camera app -- ridiculous!). Moreover, ATT is really keeping a clamp on their iPhone business. I just discovered that they locked me into a 2-year contract when I activated my first iPhone -- I'd thought the 2 year thing was tied to buying a phone thru them -- no way -- merely activating one does it. And I don't recall ever seeing, let alone agreeing to these terms. I'm in a battle with ATT now since I really never got much use out of iPhones on their service (just popped my SIM card into the phone and started using it -- but the catch is having to download and install iTunes to sync it -- that's where I must have "activated" it). It's a nicely designed UI but IMHO very, very limited in usability.
[Touch Cruise General] NikMel:
Dear surgex0,

This things are just software issues. There is nothing wrong with the TC!

If you want I can share my ROM and I dare to say that you will be impressed about the performance of your TC.

NikMel
[Touch Cruise General] rklosinski:
Well, I used both. Went from HTC Cruise to the iPhone, and am returning to the HTC Cruise. For my its simple:

1) if you want a simple, easy phone experience, us an iPhone.

2) if you want the most from you handheld device, use WM.

I love the easy user interface of the iphone. but, its exchange compat sucks (im a beta tester), its slow to respond sometimes, the camera sucks, 3rd party apps functionality is limits by apples sdk, and the usage charges are higher.

With my cruise, there are basically no limits on what I can do. I will be modifying the user interface to use as much as 'touch' based programs as possible, which will encompass most everything i do on a day to day basis.
[Touch Cruise General] victoradjei:
I have not seen any of your ROMs yet :rolleyes: Can you share:cool:
[Touch Cruise General] hambola:
Surgex0, I think we've touched on this topic a couple of times in some other threads. I think functionality wise the TC is great, it just lacks that something that the iPhone has. Maybe it's the fluidity, where stuff just works smoothly. I am able to do more with my device than i would be able to with an iPhone, however I would like for the device to be a bit more responsive, for lack of a better word. In the end I'm sure you know all these things and each person has their requirements and what they are willing to live with. I'm sure you've evaluated the situation and decided on what's best for you.
[Touch Cruise General] surgex0:
u know whats crazy? i think my TC actually broke today, as I was typing my last post...i'm finding my screen goes out of alignment every 5 minutes and I have to keep re aligning via the system settings...:| nuts!

anyways - i know what u guys mean tho...if u use software thats specifically for win mobile of course ur gonna love it and stay loyal...i don't really...i just like to browse web, use gps, ims, email, and a few other things that i'm sure will be available on the iphone v2 in time. What I am hoping for is that more and more people will be able to unlock functionality of the iphone v2 and make it do everything an HTC can do (without the lag).

i do not use my TC for business really...unless you count email as business. my work doesn't have any mobile apps...just lotus notes - and the mobile client is SOO slow on my tc I decided not to bother with it. If I did use my phone for business activities there's no way I would ever go with the iPhone.

Despite all the bad stuff about the iphones, IMHO apple seems to care alot more about their mobile platform than microsoft or even HTC does. They advertise more, they seem to attract more people, and they seem to not lie to us, like HTC does. Also, I'm gonna say price is definately a factor...I love what apple is doing with the price. HTC unfortunately isn't following suit. To this day I still can't believe I bought an almost 900$ phone that doesn't even work how I expected it to :|
[Touch Cruise General] 3GDozer:
The truth is...

all smartphones are just wanna-be 3G iPhones - the new iPhone 3G is second to none, and if Apple actually made it available for 199 bucks...without contract -- just imagine...
[Touch Cruise General] dysolve:
i think i might now understand these phones

HTC device = phone with a gadget attached

iphone = ipod with phone attached..

I think they a both completly different things and they both do what they are ment to do but the one thing apple has over HTC is customer service and they tell the truth about and fully support there devices. apple tells everybody what the iphone can and can not do but HTC pretends that there devices are the be-all and end-all which they are not. from what people who have told me about eh iphone is that before it jail broken, it works great as a ipod but the phone is lacking , once jail broken its pot luck if they work at all. now with my polaris I have never had issues with the phone but the gadget part just does not always do what i want it to.
[Touch Cruise General] dysolve:
where is the proof of that statement? and will you still be saying this in a few months when YOU think something else is the bomb!

just imagine if we all drove supercars!
[Touch Cruise General] Rudegar:
"Think about it, if it was a real touch device, they wouldn't have included a stylus"

well i suppose there still are people who want to have their handwriting recognized

kinda hard using fingers

even if few people use it if htc dident include a stylus there would be an outroar
[Touch Cruise General] hambola:
Agreed, stylus would have been included regardless. If it wasn't people would complain. Can't make everyone happy.

However the hardware part, I do have to agree that Apple does include some decent hardware in the phone. while the iphone 2MP camera doesn't have autofocus or zoom or video or many features, it's way better in low light conditions. So we all know our HTC phones have bad cameras. I think the front VGA camera is better than the 3MP in the back on my Cruise. The screen is nice on the apple device, good resolution, very responsive touch screen (capacitive). Since the WM devices are pressure based, it would be nice to see apps that make use of variance in pressure on the screen, is that possible?

Just like HTC phones have their flaws, the iPhone, while a very slick fluid device does have it's flaws. the Mail app is a freakin joke. It's also buggy as hell, this is on the 3G iphone so using new firmware. It hangs on sending mails a lot and on connecting. Check out iphone forums and see how many people are complaining about that Mail connecting issue. Not able to attach anything more than a photo and only one at that.

On the surface the iPhone is a great device but leaves a lot to be desired after a few days of use. You end up not being able to get into the details of anything if you need to. And there is reason to. You end up being constrained by invisible barriers Apple sets up around the device, something that WM doesn't do.

Would like to see a WM device with the functionality WM is known for but with a fluid feel of an iPhone. I don't think it will happen, it's different ideologies. Even in WM7 we'll end up running some software for some old WM version and it will look obvious. Just like it's obvious underneath that Manila interface on the Diamond you're running an ugly WM OS that looks very dated. Or it will be some 3rd party software that doesn't adhere to strict standards that Apple puts on software for their devices.

In the end we all have a choice and can pick the device that works for us. In some cases people pick both. To each his own (second time I use that in a post today).
[Touch Cruise General] timmymarsh:
My two pence,

Apples are gr8 and look pretty, nothing else.

WinMo - lack prettiness but has WOW funcionality. Wm6 yes stock rom is slow, but thats why we cook? :D

Before my TCruise i had imate jamin, which i was faithfull to for 2 years. Ive just flashed it with cooked 6.1 and its as good as the T.C now (minus GPS).

I love my tc and yes vid drivers are a *****, but its more of a business tool for me and now i have my jamin to play with. Playing with an apple becomes boring, the "oooooh cool" thing wears off quickly.

I will be sticking with winmo - i love playing too much - and when wm7 comes out and someone cooks, then it'll go on my tc:D
[Touch Cruise General] pistonripper:
Reading the above post....I feel its changing now, HTC are getting better..I know we got shafted with the Polaris, no drivers half arsed touch.

I now have a Diamond and honestly I cannot relate to all the post saying its slow lags etc. With the 1.93 ROM believe me its rapld. The touch feels like touch (have not had the need to use my fingernails yet)

That Touch 3D is rapid, and the dialer is smooth no lag whatsoever...YIPEEEE!

Its not rocket science as to why the iphone is smooth, the software is designed for one hardware platform, well the Touchflo3D is desgined for the diamond, thats why its fast.

Besides the iphone IS a brick compared to the diamond. If this a first of new gen phones from HTC, then good times ahead...

just my 2 pence/cents worth
[Touch Cruise General] timmymarsh:
I agree with you there, ive just had a play on the diamond and if thats the shape of things to come then who needs an iphone:D
[OnePlus 6T  Questions & Answers] FiWe20:
Hello,

I've installed a twrp recovery file on my oneplus 6t recently, and for some reason after trying to boot up the OS this frozen "bootloader is unlocked" screen appears. It won't go away! The screen turns black for a second after holding down the volume up+power button, but then goes back to the "bootloader is unlocked" screen again. Draining the battery doesn't help either.

Any ideas on how to fix this?
[OnePlus 6T  Questions & Answers] Timmmmaaahh!:
You probably have to MSMTool it but you could try activating your other partition.

fastboot --set-active=a

Or

fastboot --set-active=b

You didn't give much info on what happened exactly. We dig the technical details on here!

Wrapped with delicious Fajita [emoji896]
[OnePlus 6T  Questions & Answers] SkyLukewalker:
Is your phone the T-Mobile or International version?

If International, have a look at this thread and see if the issue you are facing is similar to mine. The solution posted by Mannan Qamar further down the thread is what solved the issue for me, and I've detailed the solution step by step in the latest post in that thread.
[OnePlus 6T  Questions & Answers] FiWe20:
Thanks for replying!

For some reason after days of desperately trying to fix it, the 6t it suddenly booted into fastboot after being battery-drained. I am not experienced in rooting at all but I think this stuck "bootloader is unlocked" issue happened when I installed the twrp file via the "flash boot_a" instead of the "flash recovery".

FAILED (remote: '(recovery_a) No such partition')

comes up when using the normal "flash recovery".

So the flashing is the main problem I guess. Is there any other way to install twrp?
[OnePlus 6T  Questions & Answers] Timmmmaaahh!:
You need to boot TWRP first as there is no recovery partition to flash to (hence the error). From there, you can flash a TWRP installer as explained in the TWRP thread. If you're not knowledgeable or have doubts about the topic then I strongly recommend in reading thoroughly before taking any actions.

Alternatively, you can flash from within Magisk Manager when you get the boot image right as explained in my previous post here. That can be a bumpy ride though! You've been warned ;)

Just note that, with Android 10 (if that is your goal), the safest option is having root without TWRP recovery. If you're sticking with Android Pie, just ignore these last two paragraphs.