yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Bardia Garsha:
A few days ago I posted something on L26 V5 Diamond thread. It was either a very broad subject or a very naive one that nobody cared to write something in reply. Maybe I shouldn't have posted there.

Now I bring the subject here in a separate thread hoping that we would all share our views and experiences with regard to Original/Official WM6.1 ROMs vs the cooked ones. I already apologize if the subject doesn't deserve a thread and leave it to mods to decide whether the thread should remain or be closed.

Here's what I'd posted there:

So far as bugs are concerned, who's the culprit : build 19588.1.1.4 ? or L26_K_D_V5 ??

It seems an error is repeating so often & so regularly that it's becoming a systematic error. What am I talking about?

Well, we usually get so much focused on L26_XXX ROM or Dutty's_XXX ROM ...etc. that we totoally forget about the "Original/Official" ROMs these cooked ones are based on.

Somewhere in the devine XDA text , God once said :

Flash an "original/official" ROM / HR / flash the XXX cooked ROM / HR

The above is now a universally accepted verdict among us frequent ROM flashers. But how many of us do stay upon the "Original/Official" ROM - whether HTC or AT&T ...etc - for 10 minutes (or 10 seconds for that matter !!) ??

We flash the "Original/Official" ROM (whatever version it is - though , we generally tend to flash the Latest Original/Official one) only for the sake of the above said verdict and certainly not to see how that original ROM works on our devices. Understandably, this happens because we're in a hurry to flash the beautiful cooked ones.

What is my point?

How many of the rulings we pass (and the bugs we report) on L26_K_D_V5 have been tested (over a period of a week or so) upon the "Original/Offical" ROM the V5 is based upon (i.e. CE 5.2.19212 Build 19588.1.1.4) ?

Perhaps it's time that someone with an authoritative knowledge of ROMs takes the list of reported bugs/issues of V5, flashes the Build 19588.1.1.4 , rests upon it for a while , and sees if these are native issues of the "Original/Official" ROM or Leo's V5.

Does it sound too idiotic and naive? Maybe. But at least I can claim that I have not seen such thorough comparison between these two specific ROMs anywhere in the forum. Of course, the wise redbandana (God bless him) usually brings us news of (and introduces to us) new Original/Official Kaiser ROMs in separate threads. But what I mean is thorough comparison between these two specific Original/Official and Cooked ROMs.

Cheers
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] tubaking182:
i see your knoweldge and believe that you are on to something, i don't remember what ROM i was on cause i have flashed almost all of them, but when i went to the official of the same build a lot of the same errors were being seen. most times as long as the chef knows of these problems in the official rom they try to cook the fixes into their version but it is not easy to see every bug in a rom by yourself.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Bardia Garsha:
the fact is , up in the heaven , all mods/chefs/very_senior_members know all about these things. My point was to open up a window for us mortals down here to have a clearer idea about what we see in (and pass judgements on) cooked roms.

The undeniable truth is that each chef cooks his rom on a specific original version/build and a clearer knowledge of the original built in each case (and a comparison between the two) allows us mortals to have a better understanding of what the chef has actually done in his rom.

As a very minor and silly example, while in L29 V5 Diamond I am struggling to to see why the "disconnect" button in GPRS connectivity bubble is missing, it would be helpful to know whether this is the "default" option of the original built or is it Leo's - and if it is Leo's, what are the merits/faults of his choice.

You may ask why I don't do such thorough survey myself ? Well, to be honest, I would really die to have such extensive knowledge and expertise. But the fact is, some people are savvys and gurus and some are not. It takes me a lifetime to be as knowledgeable as Dutty or Leo or Alex ...etc. I just hope that in here each of us can bring just a little piece of his/her info to share with others on the subject of this comparison.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] vcespon:
Well, I've been using HTC original ROMs for a long time, so here's my report:

Original HTC WM 6.0:

- Great radio (1.27.12.17), GPS fix fast, good battery life

- Skype works

- Cleartype works OK on landscape

- No missing G icon or disconnect button when you click the connection icon

- Feels fast enough (a lot of RAM free)

Original HTC WM 6.1 released on may

- Less than 60 MB RAM available on boot

- Bad radio (1.65.16.25), problems connecting to WiFi with WEP enabled, slow GPS fix

- Skype does not work

- Cleartype does not work correctly on landscape

- Does not feel faster, needs new SPL to avoid random freezes

- No missing icons / apps

Original HTC 3.02

- My favourite unless Nothrills comes up with something better

- Excelent radio (1.58.26.20), best GPS and WiFi

- Skype does not work

- Landscape mode works OK

- Camera can be easily patched or updated to 5.04

All of them come with Office and Onenote, Windows Live, and usual utilities

All of them can be tweaked with KaiserTweak or AdvancedConfig and you get a pretty much fast and estable ROM that just works.

No screen redraw problems, no blank screens, no missing buttons, no missing apps...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Bardia Garsha:
It's amazing that while reading your report on Original HTC WM6.1 , I suddenly felt as if I was reading the threads of some of the new cooked kasier roms! Everything you said (and a lot not mentioned here) are exactly the same problems reported in those threads over and over again.

So next time when one reports in , for example, Dutty's new rom thread that : "Skype is not working" , or "the cleartype in landscape bug" he should know that these are exactly the same issues in the original 6.1 and has nothign to do with Dutty's rom.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] ryncppr:
I agree with you so much. Amazingly to Cook a rom is a few files added here, a few files deleted. Put in what you want, make a few tweaks to the registry and Whaaa Laaa.

AMazingly, WM6.1 has a lot of bugs. Probably not what Microsoft expected when they developed the software. The landscape issues I try to tell everyone over and over it has nothing to do with what the Cook did, its a WM6.1 problem.

I do not use skype but I am assuming the same thing. I think in this thread, we should add the most common problems that we have so we can start looking into them more deeply.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] vcespon:
Obviously the cooks inherit the bugs of the ROMs they use as base.

HTC finally released an official WM 6.1 ROM for the Kaiser, with "improved graphics" but at a cost.

- Bad radio. 1.65 radios are not better than 1.27 or 1.58. Ask anyone about GPS fix or battery.

- They changed a display routine so it's faster, but they screwed cleartype on landscape mode, that was working on previous HTC ROMs

- A lot less memory available, and I do not see a big speed increase in return

- The ROM feels heavier than previous one, the screen switches in one move, but the total time to do the switch is longer than previous ROMs

- Skype does not work, it was working on WM 6.0

Some of these bugs have been corrected by cooks when adding files from other builds. HyperDragon III works OK on landscape, ROMs from L26 and Dutty work with Skype... But they introduce other bugs like the missing G icon, or disconnect button.

I hope they interchange their findings so we finally have a ROM where everything works. I don't care if it gets 1432 or 1512 points on some benchmark, if HSDPA does not work, or the device soft-resets while playing MP3, then I'm not going to use that.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] slovoflud:
Reading all of this makes me wanna downgrade to 6.0. Until we have a working Android, that is... :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] msharaf:
Just wanna share with you as I am using an official ROM for a long time now.

Original ROMs are the best as they have every thing working. Yes everything, sometimes a minor bugs are annoying like I was unable to send a vcard as sms using one of the super ROMs.

I think the only point is tweaking. If we tweak the original ROM they will perform as good as the cooked one.

As much as the chefs change in ROM as much as we get bugs. My opinion is chefs should concentrate on main issues and always release lite versions leaving options for users.

I have to admit that I have learnt a lot from cooked ROMs which helped me to tune the original ROM to my best.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] gabriel31337:
Yeah, that's what I have suggested yesterday but met the offence only.

Well, different people, different opinions.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Bardia Garsha:
ryncppr, apart from the need to learn more about Original roms, i also came across another strange fact that is widely ignored.

Does anyone care "what" original rom to flash before flashing his desired cooked one? I read many of the threads ; it seems that nobody does pay any attention to this matter. BUT the type of Original rom we flash before flashing the cooked one (depending on our geographical location and the make of our phones), DO CERTAINLY COUNT A LOT.

This is what I noticed and just posted on Dutty's V1 thread :

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=398271&page=90

Technically, I don't understand why this happens (perhaps you as a good chef could explain this matter in technical terms) , but I have no doubt now that it is crucially important what original rom we flash first.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] ryncppr:
A big problem is that people do not believe you need to hard reset after you flash a ROM. You do. THe process that WM has built in only clears the memory and storage files, leading to useless junk that gets left behind.

I used to think if I flashed a ROM it was completely getting rid of the last rom, which has found not to be the truth. Though a clearing system file is now shown on the screen, it is not truly getting rid of all the old files, hence the problems with putting ROM over ROM.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] tubaking182:
bad practice

I know it's a bad practice to have, but I very rarely hard reset my phone after a flash, and I have to admit I never flash the originals back to my phonebefore flashing. once in a great while I hit a weird glitch that I can't seem to find a solution for, and so I hard reset to fix it. I guess part of it is that i'm so impatient that I can't stand to wait a few extra minutes. I check the site anytime i'm not working and if there is a new rom available I've downloaded and flashed before looking through the bugs found. I guess i'm gonna start going to originals first and hard reset every time, now to help on that, is there a way that we know of that will automatically do the hard reset one time right after a flash? I know UC wouldn't work cause it runs after the hard reset/flash so it would loop. if we could cook the rom to auto reset once and one time only it would help out those that ocasionally "forget."

on a side note, this was typed through my phone so sorry for any spelling errors there might be and thank you ryncppr for a great rom.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Bardia Garsha:
The truth is you are a big boy and can handle the giltches/issues. Just take a look at hundreds of posts out there in which people complain and report about some of the most unthinkable issues (e.g. "my phone resets itself every 5 minutes" (Jesus Christ) !! or "when I push the call button my phone starts media player"!! perhaps soon we should expect posts that will read: "after disconnecting the bluetooth headset, our washing mashing stopped working" !

I know that for example Dutty is very serious on his belief on flashing original/HR/cooked/HR every single time one wants to flash a rom - and for god's sake this man really knows what he's talking about.

Sometimes very bizarre things happen when one ignores the above must-do process.

However, my main object here was to invite people to share their bits of info on what a specific original rom does (or might do) to our devices when it's flashed prior to a specific custom rom , and why.

and btw, your spellign is brilliant.:)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] loubega:
original HTC Tytn II ROM

Hello, since I`ve updates my HTC Tytn II I have too much problems with my internet connection, wifi, gps,...so I would like to upgrade to the previous Version WM 6.0 Prof. (original, german).

Have someone a linke where I could find original (geman) ROMs?

Thanks for your help, :)

Lou
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Bardia Garsha:
I'm afraid your post has nothing to do with this thread - just wonder why u posted this here !

anyway, you can find the original/official kaiser roms here:

http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Kaiser_ROMs
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Bardia Garsha:
HTC & AT&T do different things

Ok, in oder to see the effects of different original/official roms we flash before the custom rom, i did the following and noticed an obvious difference:

1) flashed AT&T offiical WM6.1 CE 3.14.502.1 (built 19209) and then L26 V5

- flashed the same official AT&T and then Dutty's Diamond V1

in both cases, both L26 and Dutty's roms were not functioning optimal on my device. had to deal with many issues (from BT to GPRS to connectivity ...etc. as well as general responsiveness of the device)

2) flashed HTC_WWE_3.28.405.0 and then L26 V5

- flashed the same original HTC and then Dutty's Diamond V1

in both cases , both L26 and Dutty's roms were functioning a lot better on the device. almost %90 of the previous issues were gone.

in both 1) & 2) I used radio 1.65.16.25 and observed strictly the same procedure (usb flashing, same HR, no SD card inserted, no 3rd party app installed ...etc.)

what's going on? i'm now more confident that the type/version of the original or official rom we flash prior to the custom rom affects the custom rom and its behavior on our devices hugely.

this is still widely igonored by the chefs as i've never heard them on their threads mentioning/suggesting what original/offiical rom should be flashed prior to flashing their cooked roms.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] bengalih:
I think alot of what you are trying to accomplish here was discussed previously. I have always been a proponent of trying to use Original ROMs in order to better understand what is "original" vs what is cooked and doing all tweaks by myself:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=389519
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] schizo:
Just stumble upon this. I think this one is quite insightful. But yet we have only Cooked ROM threads, reviews, and comments. Not on Stock ROM... once a while though *wonder why.. LoL*

Maybe we should encourage people who use stock ROM to start a thread for their own stock ROM version and make some reviews among the users? Not so good idea, but not so bad either.

I mean this thread is not only to know what work in 6.1 and what doesn't, right?

And for the current moment maybe we could have common concensus for responding to 'bizarre problems after flashing ROM xx.. bla.. bla bla' with : reflash stock rom -> hard reset -> reflash cooked rom -> hard reset -> still have problems?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] kristoff_sz:
Schizo, im gonna do it in few days! I'm working on cooked first. But i have in plans to test Stock ROMs...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] kolibrik:
original ROMS

Did you guys follow through with this idea. I must admit that I switched from Dutty's ROM to official HTC ROM and I cannot be happier. I switched actually back to 6.0 ROM and it works like a breeze. One noticeable difference is the battery life. With Dutty's and different radios I was only getting day of life max. Now I can get almost two days. Also, and with several different Radios from 1.65.xx.xx I had terrible lock times for GPS. No I can lock up after reboot in about 30sec.

I wonder if somebody would actually do some side by side comparisons. I am thinking about getting another Tilt just to do some experimenting with ROMs. But I am newbie and I was looking for some more objective criteria than just comparing times and feels. :-)
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] richardsonss:
Hi everyone,

As Samsung recently pulled the plug for Linux on Dex support for android 10 adding to the limitation of not being able to run x86 software on linux on dex due to the arm architecture It got me thinking if I could repartition the internal storage and basically use it as an external hard drive that I could install linux on and boot into it from a computer.

I am not talking about the idea of creating a live usb like we can do with DriveDroid. I am looking for some persistence so I can save settings and some files on the linux distro too!

Thanks in advance for any ideas or suggestions!
[OnePlus 7T Pro (Regular & McLaren) Accessories] bigup7:
Currently use a Karbon bumper and although it feels amazing, it is a littler slippery, I want to keep this case for evening nights out:)

So I’m after another case, please add some recommendations below

Thanks
[OnePlus 7T Pro (Regular & McLaren) Accessories] themissionimpossible:
I'm using this and it's perfect, and not slippery:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/iBetter-Flexible-Anti-Scratch-Ultra-Thin-Smartphone-Black/dp/B07XCZG1B1

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71I1O9d4H4L._AC_SL1500_.jpg
[OnePlus 7T Pro (Regular & McLaren) Accessories] Brandon1234567:
Don't buy sandstone unless you will never drop your phone
[OnePlus 7T Pro (Regular & McLaren) Accessories] bkeaver:
Does anyone know if the 7Pro cases fit 7TPros? I'm guessing yes but want to confirm
[OnePlus 7T Pro (Regular & McLaren) Accessories] Bas-NL:
I'm very content with my Nova Shield case.

It doesn't cover the nice blue back of the phone

https://www.olixar.com/novashield-oneplus-7t-pro-bumper-case-black
[OnePlus 7T Pro (Regular & McLaren) Accessories] Amit Hebbi:
Please ignore..

I cannot delete this reply!
[OnePlus 7T Pro (Regular & McLaren) Accessories] doesntmatterx:
Most of the cases thus far are garbage and make the phone feel like a brick. Semi ok is the poetic one.
[OnePlus 7T Pro (Regular & McLaren) Accessories] droids@m:
I have ordered for Ringke fusion X case bit chunkier for an already chunkier phone..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGAUKu5cWIo
[Redmi Note 8 Questions & Answers] Madhuvrata:
Hi everyone.

In India Redmi Note 7 (in all variants) had problem with very slow 4g data and internet is full of (hopeless) call for help . There was some hardware problem with network aggregation and phone doesn't support 4g+. I wanted to get Note 7 pro but for me this issue was deal breaker. How is that with Note 8 (non-pro)? Can someone share\do some test in this connection?
[Redmi Note 8 Questions & Answers] vistaabalaji:
Redmi Note 8 (Ginkgo) has CA support in India. I have been using past 5 days. And no issues in call and data. It have few software bugs. But internet speed is good. Check their product specs page.
[OnePlus 7 Questions & Answers] musa.mun:
My OnePlus 7 is bootlope for installing viper for Android module. I trying to remove this model with flashing mm or uninstall mod this 2 method. ..but not work for removing any module ..at last I flash magisk uninstaller and remove magisk from device... Then my device fully booted...but again I trying to install magisk on my device ...it will again bootlope for old module viper...

Have any way to remove this modules...or installed magisk again without wipe data ..?
[OnePlus 7 Questions & Answers] nikolas60:
Flash stock boot img and don't use root or Flash stock ROM with wipe and root again
[Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers] stootie:
how to add storage authorization to an application when it does not have it in the application information?
[Redmi K20 / Xiaomi Mi 9T Questions & Answers] REDOTHELLO:
I have Mi 9T Global version Rom ; i unlocked the bootloader and flash Rom EEA european

all work fine now i need help relockin bootloader
[Redmi K20 / Xiaomi Mi 9T Questions & Answers] Micdu70:
If you relock your bootloader, it will format all your data.

You only have to type this fastboot command:

fastboot oem lock

And if the phone doesn't reboot itself:

fastboot reboot

;)
[Redmi K20 / Xiaomi Mi 9T Questions & Answers] YuraBY:
Please share here whether EEA ROM still works on Global device after bootloader re-lock.
[Redmi K20 / Xiaomi Mi 9T Questions & Answers] REDOTHELLO:
Ok
[Redmi K20 / Xiaomi Mi 9T Questions & Answers] batman957:
May you provide an explanation for your process of installing the ROM starting from twrp please ??
[Redmi K20 / Xiaomi Mi 9T Questions & Answers] REDOTHELLO:
No trwp unlock the bootloader.

Flash fastboot flash clean all adb command

Thats is it i received update miui 11.
[Redmi K20 / Xiaomi Mi 9T Questions & Answers] REDOTHELLO:
there's no way to relock bootloader i tested many ways but. Not work.

If any?
[Redmi K20 / Xiaomi Mi 9T Questions & Answers] YuraBY:
What error you are getting when trying to relock?
[Google Pixel 4 Questions & Answers] z-man79:
I currently have a pixel 2 and I'm ready to upgrade. All the reviews on the pixel 4 are disappointing. I definitely want to be able to root, the guys that have used the 4, is it worth buying or should i hold off to see what these other phones bring when launched?

Thank you

Z
[Google Pixel 4 Questions & Answers] sic0048:
If the camera isn't the absolute most important feature of your phone, then I would definitely suggest the OnePlus 7t Pro over the P4. It has the best "bang for the buck". The S11 will be a lot more expensive than the OnePlus and will likely have comparable features. It certainly won't have the same "bang for the buck" that the OnePlus has.

If the camera is the absolute most important feature of your phone, then perhaps the P4 XL is the best option. I definitely would not buy a regular P4 with it's tiny battery however. I'd also wait until you see the black Friday sales before buying the P4. I think it is highly likely it will be on sale by then. Last year the P3 saw a $200 discount during the black Friday sales. If the P4 sees a similar discount, it will be much easier to stomach the purchase.
[Google Pixel 4 Questions & Answers] z-man79:
Thank you, the camera isn't that important to me.
[Google Pixel 4 Questions & Answers] ChongoDroid:
I'm returning the pixel 4 for the 7t.
[Google Pixel 4 Questions & Answers] z-man79:
What didn't you like about it and why the 7t?