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[HTC Excalibur] pudgedaddy:
Well actually, you can disable the smarttoolkit app from showing you all of the eye candy, and still get the hotkey to work, but it will still run in the background. Technically any hotkey program will run in the background, and the only alternative without using a hotkey program is to use the IE button (t-zones button) and remap short_ie.lnk to perform what you're trying to accomplish
[HTC Excalibur] outerdepth:
No, there is another alternative. Sorry, Pudgedaddy, not even trying to step on your toes. Showaco found one for me. It isn't free though. Although it is the only alternative that is out there. It is called AE Button. It is a russian software, ok, but it works perfectly. I still agree with Pudgedaddy, just don't run Smarttoolkit in the homescreen, disable that feature. It doesn't eat up memory, so run it, then you can have all of the button presses you want.

ROCK ON, LONDON, ROCK ON CHICAGO
[HTC Excalibur] qaplus:
Thanks. I will give both a try.
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] XDA_RealLifeReview:
Some phones exhibit choppy scrolling, especially when navigating long web pages when multiple apps are running in the background. Rate this thread to express how you smooth scrolling feels on the Xiaomi Mi Note 10 under such conditions. A higher rating indicates that scrolling is always buttery smooth, even when you're reading a 10,000 word article on "how to kiss a girl".

Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] XDA_RealLifeReview:
Some phones are great to take camping because if you play Asphalt 8 long enough, the back warms up to the ideal temperature that can bake bread. Rate this thread to express the extent to which the Xiaomi Mi Note 10 stays cool under extended heavy use. A higher rating indicates that even when playing strenuous games for long periods of time, the phone doesn't get uncomfortably warm.

Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] WhIverson23:
The heat dissipation is very nice i tried PUBG Mobile and COD Mobile on my S9+ and it got hotter than my Mi Note 10, yeah obviously it has a better CPU over than the Xiaomi but it runs every game smoothly without any lag i played hours and hours with the two games and the battery finished at least didn't got hot the device. So the overall heat dissipation is very nice for this device.
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] mckalyster:
the heat is to much when on 4g just browsing, the phone gets hot
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] Duke_Vol:
Me too, with camera app or videocall whatsapp phone heating a lot
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] CescVicious:
Mine overheats a lot (like hell lot i would say 60+ Celsius) when using Bluetooth with the DJI Mimo app for some reason, but only with that app. Gaming and everything else is ok.
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] XDA_RealLifeReview:
At the club, at the bar, or just in your mom's basement, nighttime is when you come out to play. Rate this thread to express how the Xiaomi Mi Note 10's camera performs when no or low light is present. A higher rating indicates that the camera sensor "sees" lots of light in dim conditions, and that the resulting photos have minimal noise. A higher rating also indicates that when the flash fires, the resulting photo is evenly-lit without any bright spots.

Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] XDA_RealLifeReview:
Say "cheese", then rate this thread to express how photos taken with the Xiaomi Mi Note 10 come out. A higher rating indicates that photos offer rich color (without over-saturating), sharp detail (with all subjects in-focus), and appropriate exposure (with even lighting).

Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] spacedrone808:
Dynamic range is pretty good comparing with "modern" tiny-sensored iphones.

Funny thing, that Nokia PureView 808 (2012) STILL provides better resolution and better signal-to-noise ratio.
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] MoneyFist:
S10 vs Mi Note 10

Hey guys. Here's a side by side picture showing the Mi Note 10 vs the Galaxy S10.

Unfortunately I've had to lower the size of the pics to 10MB because that's what the image host accepts.

On the right I included a cropped section from each camera. The Mi Note 10 has the higher megapixels

Notes: HDR auto enabled for both cameras

AI mode on for the Mi Note 10

Both pictures taken on the standard lens
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] MacGuy2006:
Thanks you! To me, the Mi Note 10 camera looks like a real winner. The detail of the Mi Note 10 shot is noticeably better, especially on the right side of the canal. I believe that the color balance is noticeably better, too.
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] truffle1234:
I like the mi note 10 as the photos are not altered by the software more what you see and that's what you get. I love the Lumia 1020 and I used it for 2 years plus till it died, and I moved on to Samsung Galaxy S7, pic were good but unrealistic as colours were enhanced .

With this device I take more real pic.
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] MoneyFist:
If you edit the picture with Snapseed and +25 to saturation the Mi Note 10 pic looks almost identical to the S10 on the colour front
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] MacGuy2006:
While waiting for my Mi Note 10 to arrive, I am starting to wonder if I have made a mistake. I am replacing a Pixel 3XL with the Mi Note 10, based largely on the initial camera reviews and the Dxomark rating.

But now I am reading less than rosy reviews of the camera, like this one:

https://www.androidpit.com/xiaomi-mi-note-10-camera-problems

I also saw the oversharpening and overprocessing with the telephoto lenses, as well as the fringing. Can others share their experience with the camera, compared to brands like Apple, Google and Samsung?

Also, how good is Xiaomi at fixing such issues with updates? I am afraid that like many other Chinese companies, they will drop support for the Mi Note 10 in favor of the bazillion new models they seem to have in the pipeline.
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] MacGuy2006:
I received my Mi Note 10 and took a few shots. Overall, disappointing images, compared to my Pixel 3XL.

Main camera: The dynamic range of the main camera is not nearly as good as that on the Pixel. Even forcing HDR on the Mi Note 10 doesn't help much, as the Pixel shows more detail in both sun-lit and shadow areas. Strangely, given the higher resolution of the Mi Note, the definition of blades of grass in a landscape shot is noticeably better on the Pixel. Also, the colors are kind of "electric" on the Mi Note 10, not natural.

Portrait mode is poor in less than bright conditions.

In Wide mode, the dynamic range is also pretty poor.

Night city light shots from the Mi Note 10 are not as good as the Pixel, although in Night Shot mode the Mi Note 10 improves noticeably. But it still suffers from poor dynamic range.

The only shot where the Mi Note did better the Pixel was at 10x zoom. The Pixel 3 does it all with just one lens, and at its maximum 7x it had somewhat less detail than the Mi Note 10.

Sadly, the Mi Note feels like a second rate phone on the photography front. Funny enough, I don't have any issues with the rest of the phone. The fingerprint unlock is not fast, but I can live with it. I don't have touch issues on the edges. But the main reason I bought it was for the camera, which in my experience so far, is just not very good.

I am wondering what DXOMARK was testing and how they came up with their conclusions, which are so different than mine?
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] mezza8512:
I strongly believe that a 27 mp photo taken with a sensor 4 time bigger than the 12mp pixel 3 sensor has less detail compared with this one. Really, i believe that!! I swear!!

The dxomark test was made with the mi note 10 pro that have a 8p Lens system, but the difference Is very very little.

If you feel the pixel 3 photos Better than mi note 10, i suspect that you bought a mi note 3. Ahahahha
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] pakudaboy:
such awesome photo quality. I've got mi max 3 / note 8 pro / note 10 pro.

Note 10 pro is really really awesome and hassle free to install gcam :D

using this btw

burial: GCam_7.2.010_Burial-v6_release21.01.20.apk
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] MacGuy2006:
Believe what you want. The issue is not resolution, it's dynamic range. Detail in strongly lit and in shadow areas is worse in images taken on the Mi Note 10, than in images taken on the Pixel 3XL. The color is also over-processed and looking just tacky.

I am really disappointed, because I thought I was getting a great bargain, but instead got less than I paid for (the Pixel 3XL is cheaper nowadays than the Mi Note 10 and the 4XL can be had for a $200 or so more, on Google Fi). I'll give this phone a week or so, just to make sure, but my initial impression is not good.

My guess is it's all software. I tried a couple of the GCam mods, one crashes after each shot, the other one is a bit better than the stock main camera, but still not nearly as good as the Pixel 3XL.

I am on the latest Global, with the January update.

I should also note that I am looking at the original camera images on a 30" calibrated monitor, where the differences are glaring. On the phone itself the over-processed Mi Note 10 images look pretty good, but while this may be good enough for some, it's not what I am looking for.
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] MacGuy2006:
OK, just went for a run and took a few shots along the way with the Mi Note 10. Late afternoon, good light.

In my opinion, they are all are pretty bad, mainly because the dynamic range is so poor. On my calibrated monitor, they also appear overly processed and the grass takes an electric hue, which reminds me of Chinese phones from years back.

Here are a few Mi Note 10 examples here:

---------- Post added at 19:13 ---------- Previous post was at 18:49 ----------

And here is a few pairs of similar shots from the Mi Note 10 and a Pixel 3XL..

I can see a little more detail in the Mi Note 10 shots at 100%, but things are crushed and just don't look good:

I'd be really happy to be proven wrong, so I don't have to deal with returning the Mi Note 10.
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] Pentagrave666:
Dear MacGuy2006,

I have been a silent reader until now, but I still have to give my comment here.

You say that the pixel images are better, I see it completely different. The resolution is worlds lower and the whole picture looks much more blurred when you look at it in detail.

I agree with you that the colors are a bit more intense, that's why the pictures look better at first, but that's not so. The Note 10 photos are just more neutral, but that doesn't say anything about the quality of the pictures, that’s only a part of the Software.

A small change in Photoshop (gradation curves and saturation) and the Mi Note 10 looks much better. I even think, after a little tuning in Photoshop you can't compare both cameras at all. In my eyes, the pixel is far behind. None of the photos of the pixel shown by you are better for me.

Regards

Pascal
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] MacGuy2006:
Hi, Pascal. I appreciate your point and I agree with it.

But I think the issues with the Mi Note are a bit bigger than a small change in PS. I just lined up an image from the Mi Note 10 and an image from the Pixel 3XL, both at 100%, and took a screen shot. One would expect a much greater difference in resolution between the Mi Note sensor and the Pixel 3 sensor, right? I certainly expected a lot better, both in terms of detail and dynamic range.

But while the Note image has a bit finer detail, there is a lot of smearing and feathering. The orange/red tree in the upper right looks painted in both, and it shouldn't really on the Note image. While when pixel peeping I like the Mi Note 10 image better, I am wondering if all the smearing is causing the compressed apparent dynamic range? It looks like a Pointillist painting.

But as I said, I hope I am just overreacting and missing something. I'd really like for this to be the great bargain I hoped for. But I am not feeling it right now.
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] pakudaboy:
Just use gcam and small tweaks or even just load up pre-configured xml file can easily solve all your problem and achieve better quality image :)
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] Pentagrave666:
I understand what you mean and I've seen this kind of thing many times in pictures of Note 10. I guess the software just screws that up. The sensor itself is certainly much more powerful than you can see on some pictures.

It gives the impression that it tries too much to suppress the noise, so a lot of the details that should be there disappear.

Let's hope that a software update will come or Gcam will solve the problem.

- I would describe the camera like this: Right light, right situation, absolutely perfect shot.

- Minor problems with lighting (too little light or too high dynamic range) and the pictures are only average.

In my eyes it is not a camera that works well everywhere. The software simply needs more attention and time to take the right photo. By time I mean now the correct positioning or maybe manual settings on a photo instead of the automatic.

In any case the sensor has enormous power, but unfortunately not always and not everywhere
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] MacGuy2006:
OK, I've calmed down :)

I went home yesterday and spent some time taking night shots with the camera and viewed the whole batch on my TV set up (it's a very large TV, calibrated :) On a large screen, I can appreciate the additional detail from the Mi Note 10. And you are right, under the perfect conditions the images are great. In fact, when comparing on the TV, Xiaomi seems to be closer to images from the iPhone 11, which is a good thing.

But on a lot of images, there is smearing and definite crushing of color in high contrast scenes. It seems the greens can be particularly troublesome for the Mi Note. I compared 108mp to 27mp and the smearing and the color crush is really evident only in the 27mp.

I wish there was a 16x9 option using the 108mp sensor as is.

I guess I was expecting too much. The Pixel 3XL photos still look more dynamic on the TV screen, but in perfect conditions the Mi Note provides better detail.

I will probably keep it and hope that Xiaomi improves the camera app to better take advantage of the large sensor. What is the experience of others with Xiaomi updates?
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] Kasallamacher:
Why do you need a 16:9 option on the 108mp sensor? Just crop the photo into 16:9 afterwards, cause that's exactly what other phones do that let you take 16:9 photos.
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] MacGuy2006:
Why 16x9? Because most photos I keep are eventually viewed on large 16x9 screens (TV's). I would rather frame correctly while taking the photo than crop later. I'd imagine that others prefer this too, since there is always a 16x9 option for the main camera.

Plus, the file size would be smaller and likely the processing time will be less, too.
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] Kasallamacher:
Why frame correctly? You can also frame it correctly after. The 108mp mode isn't made for point and shoot. It's meant to get the max out of it so you still have to tweak a few things after so you might as well crop it. Takes 2 seconds.
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] MacGuy2006:
You can make the same argument about any full frame sensor, yet there is generally a 16x9 option.

It takes me more than just "2 seconds" and it adds up when you have multiple shots. I'd rather have 16x9 than full frame, personally.

As an aside, after examining a bunch of shots closely, I find that when shooting with the main camera lens, I like most photos without editing. I often use Google Photos for quick automated tweaks, but in the Mi Note 10 case, I like the overall balance (not quite as good as iPhone, but close). So if Xiaomi can fix the smearing/feathering on the main lens, it would really make me happy. The other lenses appear a bit overprocessed though.

And is anyone else noticing that portrait mode often gives pretty poor results in less than perfect light? It also mangles blurred edges at times (too often). I hope Xiaomi updates the phones with fixes soon.
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] Inerent:
What would you expect form a chinese phone? ? :laugh:

Out of curiosity I compared my LG V50 with this phone and LG kills it. Even in 108mp mode, LG is like 30% better. No surprise as I also compared it with mate 30 pro, another trash. ?

Selling your pixel 3 for this chinese phone... ?

If you're that much into photos, LG V30, V40 and V50 is what you want...

P. S. I've seen V30 + G-Cam photos way better than iPhone 11 or pixel 4.
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] pakudaboy:
guess some people never care about the details lol
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] mohammed510:
Btw, P3XL has a much better GPU so it can handle and process HDR photos better than the much weaker GPU in the mi note 10. It's a hardware limitation in the mi note 10. I tried it in the store and it just took too long to process a single 108mp photo. Maybe the big sensor is too much for the weak processor. I was considering this phone but i might wait for a SD865 phone with the same sensor.
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] MacGuy2006:
Actually, not quite true, at least in my experience. People obsess about the chip, but I don't notice a difference in daily use.

Processing 108mp shots takes a few seconds, but then there is little point to shoot in 108mp mode. I doubt that any current chip would be able to process the data without some delay.

Night shots also take a few seconds to process, but then so does the Pixel, while taking the actual shot. The Mi Note takes the shot and then spins while processing. But while the Pixel may be a little faster, the Mi Note is not all that slow.

I like the results from the Pixel image processing algorithms better, but I hope that Xaomi will fine tune the camera to do better through software. If it doesn't, I just won't buy another Xiaomi phone.

The photos are at times great, but there are some software issues, such as over processing and fuzzing up some details at times. It also crushes highlights. My guess is, these are fixable through firmware.

How good is Xiaomi at pushing updates for its phones? I have purchased a few Xiaomi products and some are better than others: I dislike my Roborock vacuum cleaner, which gets constantly stuck (unlike my old vacuums from Roomba and Neato) and there hasn't been an update to fix it yet. Come to think of it, my Xiaomi air purifier v3 still doesn't work with the Xiaomi Home app, so maybe I am too optimistic.
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] mohammed510:
All am saying is that using the latest top-end camera sensor with a mid range processor makes no sense to me. It's actually isn't fair as it won't show the true capabilities of the new sensor. A big sensor that takes a 108mp image will result in big chunks of data that requires faster CPU/GPU and storage. With the mi note 10, you'll just get what the mid range sd730g can handle. Average photos at best. Which makes the high dxo mark rating questionable ?

IMO, The Mi Note 10 should've had at least a SD855+ with a F2FS UFS 3.0 storage.
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] SIRKRA:
What you are describing is the mi 10/pro coming soon, they wanted to try the 108 on a phone that was not their main to not risking an eventual flop and could not put an 855 or 855+ on note because was too near the mi 10 with 865. This phone was an experiment to revive note serie. And back in the beginning note serie was the top, even above the mi serie. Not this time unfortunatly. With mix and mi.
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] MacGuy2006:
And all I am saying is that you are missing the point. The Mi Note 10 doesn't produce "average photos at best." On average, it produces better photos than most other phones. A faster processor would not make them better, and as I said, the processing time of the 27mp files is great. Even the Night shot processing is comparable to that of other phones with top end processors.

The problem is with the consistency of the Xiaomi algorithms, which are not as good as Google's. But this has nothing to do with the processor. Last year I considered a Galaxy Note, but after playing with it when it came out, the camera algorithms Samsung was employing were poor compared to the Pixel. It seems like Samsung has improved them, which is what I am hoping will happen with the Mi Note 10.

I really feel that the 730G is well matched for its purpose and my experience with this phone closely mirrors the review from GSMArena:

"The Mi Note 10 is well equipped to handle any game or any app you can throw at it. Everything is fast and fluid; there are no hiccups or bottlenecks. And we did not notice any throttling even after long benchmarking sessions. Even better, the phone keeps the shell mostly cool even when working at peak loads." https://www.gsmarena.com/xiaomi_mi_note_10-review-2020p4.php
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] mohammed510:
Time will tell. Will wait for a comparison between Mi Note 10 and the upcoming Mi 10 Pro which is going to have the same 108mp camera sensor.
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] hkwildboy:
A faster processor won't make the picture better, it just takes less time to process.

It's the same as using Photoshop on a fast computer and a low computer, you will get SAME result, just that it takes way longer on a slow computer.
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] mohammed510:
It's like playing a demanding game. Slower PCs won't support the same advanced and more heavy and complex visual effects as a high-end gaming PC. So of course, a fast processor does matter. You also can see newer generations of, for example, Sony 4K TVs improving their processors every year and with these faster processors come slightly more and more visual improvements. They only use their best processors for their top panels.
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] MacGuy2006:
You do realize that the "G" designation on this chip stands for "Gaming," right? :) It seems that the main difference between the 730G and the 855 is in faster LTE speeds for the latter, which to me is irrelevant. https://www.engadget.com/2019/04/09/qualcomm-snapdragon-730-730g-665/

Which is why nobody who is reviewing the phone complains about lag or inability to play games.

The chip is not the issue here, the software is. It's not the speed, it's the random processing (over-processing) which ruins some shots through smearing detail.

If Xiaomi fails to push timely and meaningful improvements through firmware, this will be my first and last Xiaomi phone.
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] anon1135:
Have u tried gcam?

Edit - nvm yeah u did I saw one of your older posts
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] lg-sony-htc-samsung-apple:
I love this hardware

Macro zoom and 27mp pic and 20x zoom
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] mohammed510:
Seems like a newer and better version of the 108mp sensor is already in the upcoming S20 ultra ..
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] :
Macro Zoom is really awesome on this device.

Compared with other macro capable phones.

Mi Note 10 can get the closest to the object and gets most details.

S20 Ultra > 1500$

I haven't lost control over my life yet, so i'll stick with Mi Note 10 for ~400$
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] MacGuy2006:
Disabling AI in the stock camera seems to preserve detail in bright highlights in the few shots I examined closely, at 100%.

It seems pretty consistent. I am on the Global 11.0.13.0

Turning AI on in the camera blows some highlights. Xiaomi need to work on its AI.
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] mohammed510:
A good example of what SD865 is capable of compared to the SD730G