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[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] MacGuy2006:
I would hope that the Mi 10 Pro takes better shots than the Mi Note 10, but my guess is that at least for the main sensor, it's because the Mi 10 Pro runs different software and it's based on Android 10.

After having played with some of the top DXOMark performars, like Huawei and now the Mi Note 10, I am starting to seriously doubt the impartiality of DXOMark. The coordinated Xiaomi reviews seem a little too coordinated with the Xiaomi launches.

The Chinese use many of the review sites, especially the ones based in poorer, developing locales, as paid advertising masquerading as "reviews," and while DXOMark is based in France, it seems like it is affected, too.

The Mi Note 10 main sensor is very good for the price, but I just went over some similar images taken with the iPhone 11 and the Mi Note 10 and in most cases, on a large monitor, I liked the iPhone shots better.

The other sensors and lenses on the Mi Note are mediocre to fine, IMO.
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] mohammed510:
It has to have a high dxomark rating for it to sell better. It's a marketing strategy. You can rarely find honest reviews these days. That's why the best option is to read user opinions on xda. No surprise that the iPhone 11 takes better pictures as iOS is a very optimized operating system, besides having a powerful and capable processor..
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] iSonik:
According to some reviewers, quality on the Mi Note 10 and Mi 10 Pro regarding the main sensor are very similar. I'd argue the MiNote 10 is still a better buy than the Mi 10 (if you are a camera guy)
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] Neo XL:
I would also prefer the mi note 10, because after the updates the cam becomes everytime better.

Example (comprimized by the website, sorry) are attached and here online in original size with description:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BzQBUmv0N-fBJfbLPyFKIMJS4D2qD2I6/view?usp=sharing

- only examples.

Pictures here attached: 2 x 20 times zoom, 10 times, 5 times, two times and original size (4 times reduced in resolution). The 20 times pictures are not very sharp, but good enough for some applications.

The "herkules" and Castle Wilhelmshoehe" have been more than five kilometers away frome my position, with my eyes i couldn´t see these monuments good enough, so it´s a help to have this cam for such situations.
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] TheGoodfella2020:
Auto/Normal mode shutter speed

I plan to buy the s20(non plus or ultra) for my wife when it hits the store on March!

Just want to buy a phone that can take clear pictures with good shutter speed/exposure time(in auto mode) on decent to good lighting so that it's easier to take pictures of our small kids who moves a lot when being photographed.

It's hard to know how all these phones takes action shots(in auto/normal mode) since they are not mentioned in most reviews.

I'm confident with Samsungs after watching Jimmy is Promo's S10 plus pro Camera reviews.

But then, there's a lot of things that my wife don't really need from high-end phone so spending that much on phone is really not worth.

Finally settled with Mi note 10, not one review mentioned about shutter speed but my instinct told me it's a good buy for taking pictures so I bought it.

But my plan is that if it's bad with action shots, I'll just use it and buy my wife a Samsung.:D I'm not much of a phone guy, I just use phones for emails/messaging and watching Youtube/Netflix before sleeping.

So far Mi note 10 is really good at taking pictures so I don't need to spend more:D
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] lg-sony-htc-samsung-apple:
I love this phone

This sensor is amazing coming from a pixel to this,the difference is amazing
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] Vladimir Driga:
I have mi 9 and mi note 10 pro. But pictures what I did with mi 9 looks better than pictures from mi note 10 pro.???
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] vandal4e:
Use Gcam, see the benefits
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] MacGuy2006:
At times the main camera is great, but too often it crushes bright highlights and it watercolors foliage. The Pixel 3XL is much more consistent.

I took the same high contrast shots with the Mi Note 10 and an old iPhone X today and on my large screen the iPhone shots were much better balanced. The Note looked like I had overdone the Shadows slider in Google Photos and the bright areas were crushed and flat. Skin tones were also flattened.

I am hoping for a software update to fix this. I've also tried GCam, but it hasn't worked well for me so far.
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] vandal4e:
You shouldn't expect consistency from stock camera on any phone, having multiple gcams for different purposes does the job better than relying on stock cam, all details are heavily processed and lost as on Huawei, Samsung, Apple
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] BundyR25:
I installed mamy gcams, any of them can takie 27 mpix photo. Any good version to download?
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] _katho_:
Check the Gcam-thread perhaps.
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] Sleip:
Hello guys, I create a picture comparison between the mi note 10, the huawei mate 20 pro and the pixel 3a.

https://sleip.org/2020/03/21/kamera...te-10-huawei-mate-20-pro-und-google-pixel-3a/

Which smartphone shoot the best pictures?

For me I think the note 10 had very good details and it's very nice for landscape photography, but I don't like the close shot, because the depth of focus is to low. Zoom and macro is better as on the mate.

In overall I have to say that the pixel does the best job in focus and dynamic range but it had problems with noise.
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] yay1974:
Pitbull for Mi Note 10, search telegram "Mi note 10 Google camera". It can use all the cams, portrait mode works in every sensor, and generally IMO it is pretty good for every situation (day and night).
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] Lulavc:
Really nice. I hope Mi Note gets a good update. Camera has a lot to improve.
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] Bonkel89:
I have Problems With macro Mode

Video is perfekt

Photos are horrible

What can i do

I have Screenshot s. But cant Post because of new member

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[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] SIRKRA:
Macro sensor is only 2 mega pixel this means no details, it is almost a useless sensor, anyway, you're using it too far away, even if it has autofocus with a so low resolution it is better to stay at the minumum of focus that is like 2 cm.
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] Bonkel89:
To far away? I have the Same Position in Video Mode

I dont understand this

Video Mode With macro Mode is in 4k Resolution ??

Or ist a different Cam in use??
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] MacGuy2006:
Thanks, good comparison.

The Mate seems to be noticeably the worst to me, with the Pixel and the Mi Note a toss up in different conditions. In my experience, the Pixel 3 XL is overall more consistent than the Mi Note 10, and so is the iPhone 10. But I hope that Xiaomi will fix the issues with the camera -- if it does, the Mi Note 10 will be the steal of 2020.
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] SIRKRA:
For sure there is some kind of interpolation/software trick, even if it is really using the macro sensor as 2Mpx is comparable to 1080p res and 4k is like 8Mpx
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] freeDom21:
For video, it works using its ultrawide camera. THis has autofocus, and can get really close. So no real use from macro camera, anyway, this was implemented for PR reasons. If you want real good macro shots, get a additional clip lens, I'm using cheap 5 dollar wide-macro lens, give's pretty amazing results (manual mode for focus, extra lightning from sides, checked 108mp tick in manual mode).
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] Onlyablur:
I wish I saw your post before I bought the note 10! I've had it for 2 weeks now and I'm not so impressed...

Does yours have trouble focusing? Mine does, and it's very annoying. Very often than not, it chose to ignore my tap gesture and just focus on the background...

Autofocus is not just inconsistent, it's totally unrealiable. I wonder if this is a hardware or software problem?
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] yobooh:
I Think that DXOMARK gives to Xiaomi phones scores a bit higher than they deserves.

The same happened for the Mi9., a lot of users states that it does photo worst than the Mi8 (that had OIS).
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] Onlyablur:
Yeah i wish i didn't base my decision so heavily on dxo score... I'm trying to learn the quirks about mi note 10 pro's camera, so i can make the most of it. After all, it is a very good value phone.
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] galr:
Just use gcam .
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] Ch4rls:
Unfortunately i don't think xiaomi will fix any issues sooner or later, probably not at all. They will roll out the mi 10 soon which is obviously more expensive and the only big diffedence is the chipset. Would the majority purchase the mi 10 just because of a better chipset if u can buy the mi note 10 with the same camera performance? No.

Think about that for a sec.
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] jokerpack:
I think Xiaomi needs to keep its reputation as competition is

Getting stronger (realmi)

Nobody would buy an Cosmo l Xiaomi phone in the future of the catheter l camera only would work well with third party apps like gcam..

Good product support like fixes and updates are important for my buying decision...

---------- Post added at 01:05 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:58 PM ----------

I saw for video the macro lens isn't used. (Tested by covering the lenses)

Instead the uktra wide lens is used for macro, but it is zoomed in..
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] foxy4270:
stock camera / night mode

ke6 by foxy4270, on Flickr
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] bo6o:
The wide and UW cameras are great when using RAW shooting. The tele cams are useless and the jpg from all of them is just sad as a pre school oil painting from a retarded kid.

So, to the question - with global and xiaomi.eu rom(note pro) I face a random problem shooting RAW - from time to time, it only captures jpg, which is totally frustrating, cause if I have to check every time, the moment would be gone, if I have to retry because there's no raw file. And as I said - jpgs are useless. 8GB of ram shouldn't be the problem I believe. Anyone facing this problem and a possible workaround?
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] kimberlytagud:
Correct my pixel 2 is far more better than this phone???
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] Neo XL:
For me it´s the best camera i ever had in a smartphone. I have the Mi Nite 10 Pro and since every update the camera becomes better. Now, with the xiaomi.eu software, Android 10 and MiUI 12 theres an improvement again. And we can hope a long time for updates, because Mi 10 Pro has also this camera inside and so the quality of our camera will be also enhanced in the future. The most tests have been made before the updates, so they cannot say anything about our device now and in the future. DXO tested it before the release, but they don't notice that most users are not professional photographers, they just take snapshots. For snapshots Samsung, Apple and some other smartphones are better - they have a big postprocession, sharpen their pictures, intensify the colors and so on. We need a while to study the best actions for our use. But the details on the most pictures are much more than in every picture we can shot with Samsung or Apple. You can see this in the test of dxo also, if you look inside the windows of the houses, what´s displayed, when the others only show blurred or washed out details.
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] MacGuy2006:
Hm, here is what I got today, while testing a couple of GCam modes:

The stock camera (top) over-saturates greens, with a yellow tint. The processing makes the grass detail look like a mess. It also crushes the highlights in high contrast scenes (I have much worse examples), making some shots practically unusable. This is on the latest Global 11.0.17.

GCam has a lot better balance, much closer to iPhone or Pixel. I'd use it, but in 16x9 mode it drops to 9.1mp for me, instead of the 20.4mp from the stock camera). Plus, the GCams mods don't do as well in low light for me.

The bottom line is, the Xiaomi processing is subpar, even if the hardware might be good. I am not too keen on having to use camera mods to get the images to be as expected, but I may have, since Xiaomi can't deliver acceptable results most of the time right now, no matter what nonsense DxOMark writes.
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] kimberlytagud:
The software update is not good.photos are grainy and has more noise????
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] asvaberg:
Hi.

I am very curious about this phone (the MI Note 10 Pro version).

How is the stock-camera with the color (over) saturations if you switch to manual/PRO mode and change the whitebalance? Still the same problem?
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] lg-sony-htc-samsung-apple:
It much better in pro mode

But using camera p⁴ from cstark28 I get much better control over white balance and saturation
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] bo6o:
Let it sink, but I have to say it(again) from an amateur photographer side...

You can't expect sharpness, quality and anything from algorithms manipulating the RAW information from the sensors in favour to the expectations of manipulated, social apps orientated, selfie idiots.

The three sensors of this phone, capable of taking RAW images, are more than great, if you know what to do(not the case with the usual user). I can assure you, in camera jpgs from dslrs are as bad as phone ones(mostly), so if you expect miracles, just use a phone with decent image sensor, that can shoot RAW, and make your own image from that with lightroom, for example. You'll be amazed, that the final image will look better than whatever magic camera app you use.

Peace
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] MacGuy2006:
While I agree that RAW and subsequent manipulation yield better results, there is a reason point-and-shoot cameras, and even consumer level DSLR's are going the way of the pterodactyl. Computational photography can be really good, as both Apple and Google have shown.

The Mi Note 10 has a pronounced yellow tint from the main camera, with electric greens and yellows, and crushed highlights. High contrast grass and foliage shots look like velvet paintings. This can be fixed in software, but let's see if Xiaomi does it. The Android 10 update did nothing for the camera. I was hoping that Xiaomi would improve the camera, as they did with the Mi 10, but they didn't.

GCams can do better, but unfortunately I haven't found one which doesn't have deal-killer issues, like crashing, lack of lens support, or noise in dark scenes. And as I've mentioned before, none support 20.4mp 16x9, but drop to 9mp.
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] MacGuy2006:
I've spent a few hours testing GCams and the stock camera today, and it is definitely Xiaomi's AI which creates the electric greens and yellow, plus it often boosts the sky to be much more saturated blue that it should be. Turning of the AI gives a much more pleasing effect. HDR can also add some of the dayglo effect to greens, but leaving it on Auto seems to bring it up only when necessary in most cases.

So, Xiaomi's AI just sucks. Does anyone know if the AI is tuned for the Mi Note 10 specifically, or if it's the same mess across models? Also, how does it get updated?
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] wan.taquddin:
Compare to my old Canon Powershot G16, which has a 1/1.7 inch 12 MP sensor & f2.8-4.0 lens, Mi Note 10's main camera has better details.

Both telephoto cam, especially the 5x, are inferior to my Canon, Canon has more details without needing over-sharpening, but not that far.

The pro mode is useful if you need to fine tune exposure eg shooting people on white walls.

Very impressed on how far smartphone photography has progressed.

I'll compare with my Canon 40D if I got time ?
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] asvaberg:
Wan, interesting. Could you please share some comparison photos Powershot G16 vs Mi Note 10 Pro?
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] Paulx10:
Wow you are nothing but a hater! Half the stuff in your phone will be Chinese! Your what I would call a TROLL.
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] Wmateria:
Meh, maybe his actual is name is 'incoherent', he just mispelled it, haha. :laugh:

Anyways, LG is too far behind than the rest of the flapships, and only focuses on display design than anything else, and the removable battery?... forget about it, LG is just a clone like everybody else. Little does 'incoherent' know that the108mp camera belongs to Samsung. So let us say, "thank you Samsung" and move on with this thread. :svetius:
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] jit-010101:
The "AI" (big question-mark) is likely embedded in the camera framework . That's something you can totally forget ever fixing yourself. Look at Sony with its ASOP initiative - proprietary bugged blobs - because licenses from these chip-vendors restrict them. No Open-Source drivers.

If you're lucky there'll be an official Rom like PixelExperience or ASOPExtended released with alternative blobs. Most of the time these are targeting lower end Xiaomi Phones like Redmi and the more expensive pack is ignored since people buying them are generally either happy or just sell the phone and move on.

Really, if you're a photography guy then any "Android One" device is a lot better since they pair way better with any GCam or alternative Camera (which is in the end limited by what it gets input) simply by the factor that the vendors are restricted in what they can do with the underlying OS (or better said how much they can destroy it).

That said I own a Pixel 3a and have seen lots and lots of GCams on many devices. I gifted my father a Mi 9T - and wasn't impressed by the intial photo quality in terms of consistency first. But as it is now, a few months in - Stock Camera - I rarely see a picture that's looking bad in terms of colors, details, noise or bad focus. That impressed me, that's why I even considered the Mi Note 10.

Most people here likely haven't seen how bad the old pack was - Smartphone sensors and Software has come a long way in the last 3 years.

Xiaomi as well. I can't say that for example for LG or Samsung (especially in terms of point and shot). But lets not dive into that discussion ...

... I'd say for Point-And-Shot the taste plays and important role as well. Either you like it or not. No time wasted arguing as to what might look better in your eyes. In the end its all about taste.

If we're speaking about calibrated true-to-life content you'll use RAW, Photoshop and over. There's no inbetween - not even the Pixel and iPhones produce that. Not even close. That would be boring as ****.
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] jit-010101:
Have you managed to find a GCam that suits your needs yet or did they fix it with any update for you?

I just ordered a Mi Note 10 to see if its a worthy successor to my Pixel 3a on pure pixel count and RAW capabilities, knowing Stock Cam lacks DR (it seems like it varies from device to device). I was impressed how much they've made out of the Mi 9T after all that time (initial photos were quite lackluster) so I'll give it some fair review myself after viewing many samples. That said - I have 30 days to return the device.

That said I have mixed feelings - I do know Xiaomis love always was with Mi series. Not sure how much love the Note series gets (previously only owned Redmi series and Mi A series happily) ...

I found this really good review here for a more photography side of review (something you'll rarely find nowadys with all the Tech Tubers):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWJPpPqbDiY

It also goes into detail regarding lens quality - so far it seems like the lack of saturation comes from the lenses or a lack of depth from what I understood. That's also what's happening on all phones likely, some are just better at post processing like Pixel / Apple. So they artifically remove the noise - guess like Xiaomi needs to catch up in that regard.
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] MacGuy2006:
Yes :) Burial beta 6 finally works for me on the latest Global stock ROM. Check out the GCam thread here. Urnyx works well too.

I have pretty much stopped using the stock camera, as GCam now works seamlessly, for me. It has better color balance and it doesn't crush the highlights as the stock camera does. It's just as fast, plus you get a few more features, such as Astrophotography. I still find Apple doing the best job in terms of color balance, but the camera hardware packed in the Mi Note 10 is impressive.

The only shortfall of GCam I found is when there is an extremely contrasty scene, where GCam will blow the highlights, while the stock camera retains considerably better detail. These are rare occasions, though. You'll also see it discussed in the GCam thread here: https://xdaforums.com/mi-note-10/themes/gcam-t4005605/page23

Overall, I am now happy with the phone and the camera. For the money, it's hard to beat. In fact, it's hard to beat at any price :) I find it a much better value than the regular Mi 10 and it's close enough to the Mi 10 Pro for me, as the camera is the main thing I care about these days.
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] jit-010101:
Thanks :) ... my Mi Note 10 will actually arrive tomorrow. I've seen some quite good profiles in the GCam thread that actually seem to be on par with Pixel Stock balance so I'm excited.

The thing with the highlights seems to be related to the optics - lenses. Maybe that is the difference to the Pro - not just one more lens but better quality/finish that reduces the glare in difficult situations (I'm not to deep into photography to know this). Maybe a lens protection does help migrate as well - as I have it on my Pixel 3a. Pocophone F2 Pro which is the Redmi K30 Pro seems to have a lower res camera with better depth / sharpness out of the box. I guess the optics do play a role here. Either that or quality control lottery as always (hopefully not because I'm always unlucky in these lotterys when there was one, that's why I got the Pixel series to begin with).
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] MacGuy2006:
It actually doesn't seem to have much to do with lenses, since the stock camera can deal with such scenarios, plus nobody has found any measurable difference between the two lens configurations, as far as I am aware.

The most likely reason is that Google doesn't use binning sensors and thus doesn't support HDR binning in GCam, while the stock camera leverages binning for HDR. See the GCam thread I posted earlier for more detailed explanations by others.
[Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Real Life Review] MacGuy2006:
I just wanted to ***** that Xiaomi has done absolutely nothing to try and improve the glaring shortcomings in the stock camera app.

It's crazy that they stick grat hardware in the phone, get the accolades for it and then effectively abandoned the camera app. I was just comparing some shots I took yesterday with the stock camera just for the heck of, with similar shots on the iPhone 11. The balance on the iPhone is so much better, the Xiaomi camera app made the golden light around sunset look like a velvet painting.

I totally appreciate the hard work all the developers put in GCAm, but we shouldn't be relying on people stripping off Google's camera protection and modding it to make this phone's hardware usable. GCam doesn't take advantage of pixel binning for HDR, so despite the mod's efforts, it's not perfect in this case.

Does Xiaomi just assemble parts? Looking through the Mi 10 Pro forum, it sounds like the MiUI 12 update does nothing on the camera app front and it might just make the image quality worse :(