yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] _RMB_:
same here...my os doesnt even go past the green windows mobile login...it auto resets everytime!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] deeznuts:
Voice Command Anyone?

Anyone get voice command working? Usually dutty's roms have it working out of the box but its not for me. I justw antt he notifications to work via bluetooth jawbone when someone is calling me or im calling someone. When i get a call i hear through my jawbone a light pop sound then nothing while my phone vibrates. Same when i call someone. On duttys previous roms it would usually work without touching any voice command settings. My bluetooth also used to play a melody by default from jawbone when someone is calling but not anymore on this rom or L26's newest. Just get that pop sound out of my jawbone then silence. Of course i can talk fine through the jawbone, just no default melody through bluetooth or voice command. I have allt he notifications checked in voice command settings so whats the problem? Thanks guys!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] raiisak:
Its cooked in, meaning you can not. Only the one you install youreself is uninstallable.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] kwill:
i think i should clarify. i do not have a concern playing mp3s that are on my storage card. its mp3s ive already trimmed and trying to set them as ringtones. they dont work no matter where i set them from or store them. the reboot as mentioned above, only occurs when i make a ringtone with mp3 trimmer. try it. it tells me access denied when i try and set a already cut mp3 as a ringtone. no reboot though.

**TOO SUM IT UP> I CAN ONLY GET A RINGTONE IF I MAKE IT THROUGH MP3 trimmer:)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] carlos_polanco:
Finally a solution!

Thanks jcespi2005 and Raiisak [Oh my god why complicate your nicks!] For your patience and effort on helping me out with the dictionary issue. [I'm not a noob]

unfortunately I couldn't use diamond keyboard for my Spanish.

BUT!!! I installed "Dark_PhonePad_Int [McCune]" And this one really work for my NEED.

Hope next ROM has spanish included :P
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] zoserguerrero:
I did.

I had a sprite backup from Dutty's april 29th lite. I haven't try all my programs but so far it seems to work just fine. it sure save me some time. I even have my htc home with settings and cube back.

I did found duplicated folders of office system tools and multimedia. only office doesn't work. Under settings/system two icons look weird, long press end and network plugin (network plug in not working)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] PURESKILLZZZ:
Yes its working out the box.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] pazookie:
ok so the igo restarting has nothing to do with my scripts..i just tested disabling the htchome manually, restarting and opening igo8 and it still reboots after a set amount of time (a few seconds after fully booting) also if youve used my scripts please edit the igo8startup one as i forgot to add the .mscr extension to the file listed in the script so the file isnt deleted when igo is closed so be advised you need to edit this or that script is gonna stay in the startup
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Deadman:
Auto GPRS/MMS Settings

Can anyone post a download link for Asian GPRS/MMS Settings please?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] PURESKILLZZZ:
Have you tried your providers site mate ?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] tycorp:
No, thats not a RDP client, (MS Terminal Server CLient)

Anywone else?, Im guunna see if i can find on duttys site
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] kwill:
ok, so i dont know what's screwed up. but, i switched .3gp to play through realplayer and left everything else the same. now cingular vid tries to play through realplayer and m.youtube tries to play through streaming media player. please advise of the correct file associations. thanks
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] hakushox:
Ya I'm not complaining btw :) just asking. Thanks again for your efforts as always and look for a lil something in a few.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] l4m0r:
Very weird, i'm trying to flash this rom (have used the CID remover).

It looks like it's updating the rom (eg. the progress bar is filling up to 100% and the ruu tool says its succesfull), but after it reboots i still got the same rom running on it :(

Any clue what could be happening? I'm encountering no errors whatsoever and i really want to start using (your) custom roms.

edit: This is in my device information:

ROM: 3.29.404.0 NLD (05/07/08) (that's the official HTC 6.1 rom update)

Radio: 1.58.25.17

Protocol: 25.69.30.05H

And as it's booting i see 3.29.0.0 in my screen (when it gives 3 lines of numeric info), so i'm guessing thats the spl version?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] duttythroy:
This is something new, never seen this before, flash my rom went to 100% and u still have ur old rom?? I'm lost mate sorry cant help you,
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] l4m0r:
Hm, not exactly the reply i expected ;)

I'll try and download some other rom that's floating around here, maybe that'll work.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] faridf:
Nio Map & IGO

Dutty ,there is no way to let IGO works without removing HTC home like yr last rom 29.4.08? Because in the middle east Have to use IGO gecause of the presence of its maps for the country
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] fireblade63:
Since a mirror is not here yet, how much free space is left when you install the ROM>?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] duttythroy:
Sorry u feel that way mate no hard feelings intended, but I never encounter a rom flash wich doesnt change the actual rom on device after a flash. I can only recommend u to flash another rom and if that works, try flashing again.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] cbass:
Is there any way to remove random access?

I looked in //HKLM/Soft/Micro/Shell/ and it looks right to me...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] duttythroy:
IGO probs IS TO DO WITH the OS of the rom, with 19716 everything works, I TRIED EVERYTHING including manupulating the xip, looking for .reg in 19716 and comparing but no luck, I can only pin point it to coredll in XIP
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] kwill:
hey dutty, nice to see you cook up something ported from diamond. ive been stuck on apr 1 hybrid because its sooooo smooth. but, im flashing this one now. what's your thoughts or comparisons? thanks again!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] xmoo:
Dutty does this rome have the same effect as the beta you've made??

name: Kaiser to HTC*Kaiser

Deviece: Kaiser tot MSM7500 (in HaReT)????
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] AllTheWay:
[size=+1]4Shared Mirror[/size]

[size=+1]Megaupload Mirror[/size]
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] faridf:
How I can do it?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] duttythroy:
i'M NOT SURe bro, been really busy and things just get messed up in .reg
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] l4m0r:
Fast Dutch Mirror (no speed limit)

Not sure how long i'll keep this mirror alive, depends on the bandwith it uses (i currently have about 30gb/month to spare on that server).
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] fcreeves:
Nice and Responsive.

Issues:

1. HSDPA Can't enable

2. Can not get weather through HTC Home.

Request:

Lite/Clean for MSVC US.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] duttythroy:
use advance connection to enable HSPDA IN Connections

weather works perfect for me
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] duttythroy:
lol:eek: screaming
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] l4m0r:
Nice work dutty,

the rom's really responsive (even compared to the official 6.1 update, which was quite a bit faster compared to the original htc rom).

HSDPA is also enabling fine here, great job mate :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] switchedtotilt:
HTC album does not work

In launcher, album and video buttons are malfunctioning. Camera works great. Not like a radio related problem, right? I am using the radio packaged with the ROM
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Deadman:
\Yes, but unfortunately the Tytn II is not "formally" supported by this country....

I rememebr there was a cab for autoconfig.. just can't rememebr the name
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] kwill:
actually, voice command doesnt stay enabled for me. i get an error stating that voice command has quit due to low memory. then disables itself
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] PURESKILLZZZ:
Are you refering to Network Wizard . If so here it is.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] cozpolt:
Still can not get this to work. White screen on boot after flash (WM6 splash, then HTC animation, then white-screen) and have to drop to bootloader to flash back.

I was running L26 Diamond V5 with hardspl 3.28 originally. I upped to 3.29 and have tried flashing from other roms (Dutty's apr29 rom) also tried from bootloader. I have re-downloaded the from from each of the mirrors and nothing will work. This is the only rom that I have ever had any problems flashing.

Phone: ATT tilt

PC: Vista x64
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] PURESKILLZZZ:
I flashed sucessfully on tilt ... But I would never attempt to try with horrible vista mate ...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] cozpolt:
Let's not get into vista-bashing. Every other rom I have ever flashed has worked perfectly so it's not vista. Also tried the version with the NEON radio and no spl and it does the same thing.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] rotohammer:
And I only flash via SD card, and I had 8 bad flashes (all the first bad flashes I've ever had). Not sure what I did to get it to boot other that keep trying different files.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Deadman:
Thanks! This is it!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] KDKobes:
In my cabs under Misc, "Dialers", called nadavi & dutty touch dialer
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] el_plebillo:
I Can't see my MMS messages, I just get the alert, but no message.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] zoserguerrero:
you need to run conection setup
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] tycorp:
Slideout keyboard lag

I also notice that the keyboard is not keeping up as in other roms.

For example, the space bar seems to be delayed till after the next key is pressed, resulting in.

" This isa Testa nd it can getr eally annoying"

I noticed this on some of Duttys latest roms, but not as bad on this one.

I posted it before, but got smart alec remarks like "look it up"

Really... tsk tsk.

Ty

btw

HTC Branded TYTNII

ROM: Dutty's Diamond V1 Build 19588

Radio: 1.58.25.17
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] housekid:
What SPL are you using?

I was having that same sort of issue until I updated to SPL 3.28 Hard

Also.. the whole Windows Media Player issue, for me it only seems to be playing from the storage card.

if I play a file saved to the actual device its fine.

anyone else confirm this?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] tycorp:
"3.5 dutty's" as per bootup

was running 1.0 prior this update.

Flashed the ROM, then the NEO Radio..

*Also when making\ending a call my data connections drop off, then G, the back to EDGE.

weird?*
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] sujinge9:
I think I'm having wifi issues with this one... sigh...

but good stuff on everything else.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] el_plebillo:
I Did, still, only notification, no picture,
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] el_plebillo:
Never mind, just went back to apr29th's rom, I think it's still the best.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] housekid:
You need to do this....

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=396922

I'm using 3.28

before that, I was having the problems your describing.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] PLUKK:
wmp

has anyone tried reinstalling wpm...i would but dont have cab and havent looked yet
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] oberton:
No Sound

Hi Dutty,

I just installed your newest ROM. I don't have any sound. How can I also set the clock based on a 12-hour day? Thanks.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] NaSnake:
Amazing work as always man. This has got to be one the best ROMs I've tried so far for the Kaiser.

Thank you.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] jcrompton:
Just to clarify - do you have the phone set on "vibrate"? I have found that if the phone is set on vibrate I won't get any notification through the bluetooth headset (apparently by design). The notification on the bluetooth works well if the phone is not set too vibrate only.

Not sure if this is your problem or not ?? Seems stupid to me - there should be a way to have the phone set to vibrate and be able to get audible alerts via bluetooth ....
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] PLUKK:
ok kinda fixed it

gota cab of wmp...installed ...works great but as a stand alone app only...dont use it for htc home..and dont use the one in multimedia folder use the new one in programs folder...delete shortcut...should be good to go
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] imabored:
is anyone having trouble running Modaco NoData? when i try to open it up i get an error saying "an unexpected error has occurred in NoData.exe" also this is the first time it has happened. worked for all the other roms i've used.

edit: nvm solved it.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] jzalapski:
Don't know about the sound thing but you change the clock to 12 hou through regional settings...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] housekid:
Where did you get a cab for WMP?

Mind posting a link to it?

Thanks a bunch! in advance...

anyone else... have a cab for WMP?

I tried finding it but was to the understanding that its built into the ROM and is not a installable application by the end user...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] intothevoid:
There shouldn't be any sounds issues with this rom. Did u flash another radio after flashing the rom ?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] deeznuts:
Yep!

Yes and yes my friend! Dummy me, phone was on vibrate but found a good alternative like u were suggesting. If u go to phone settings, change ringer to vibrate and ring (**ck i hate thiss pacebar lag!), pick a ringtone, then ur good! Phone will only vibrate, ur selected ringtone will play on ur headset,a nd the cracked out ladyw ill announce whos calling u. Its almost like ur phone is set to vibrate but its not. Works perfect like this for me with my jawbone 2.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] deeznuts:
Spacebar lag fix?

Is it just me or not? When im using opera mini through esmertic java i get this annoying spacebar lag. When im typing via hardware keyboarda nd press spacebar inbetween words theres a goods econd or sometimes 2s econd lag before thec ursor moves a space (as uc an see in these last sentences). Ived isabled/inabled xt9,d id nothingf ort his. I dont have suggest words on, nothing that ic anf ind that causes this annoying spacebar laga nd ih ave to go backa nd edit what it yped. Id ont text too fast and only havingt his problemw ith the spacebar keya nd this rom. Thanks guys! Ill test in other apps but i have this problem while texting, e-mail, and opera mini so im sure its anya pp when using hardware keyboard.

Also, anyone gett he delete keys tuck on hardware keyboard? Sometimes i presst he delete keya nd itd oesnt delete or doa nything but all the other keys work. The only way tog et itw orking again is to press the blue Fn key thend elete and it works again.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Hdstreetglide:
LMAO....try being busy 3 or 4 weeks at a time....think your lost, I almost had to relearn everything....:eek:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] PLUKK:
cant upload sorry keep giving me error...search for "wmp cab" and its on the second page i think close to the top maybe ....at the bottom of the thread
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] shadowace:
Large Start Menu

I found I could disable the large start menu by installing the large start menu cab. Prior to that I could not find a setting to do so in the ROM.

Quickmenu would not take over the large start menue until I installed this cab and unchecked the disable large start menu.

Not sure it qualifies as a "bug" but maybe others having this same issue.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] PLUKK:
here you go plus poorlyducks diamond skin..sweet!!

wmp will kinda fixx wmp issue
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] bapssystupr3m3:
hmm i just install quickmenu and had no problems with any rom :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] jackieboy:
Dialer screens cuts off at top

I noticed with all Dutty's rom for my Kaiser ..the dialer screen becomes funny sometimes (thats where this bug starts) ...it doesnt freeze my phone but if I try and run an application after the screen after that also looks messed up...i have to play with multiple apps to get it to go back to normal, or a reset. I installed 3.28 and running radio 1.58.25.17.

I decided to install othercooked roms and never had a simmilar problem, so I decided to come back to Dutty in this V1 Build 19588 to see if the problem vanished but damn it's still here. I don't want to switch roms cause Dutty'salways manages to have the features and programs I like, i.e the QWERTY Diamond Keyboard, its built into the rom not some added cab thats a pain in the a--.

Any help would greatly be appreceated, and yes I did hard reset th phone after the install, quick question do you reset it after the new rom is fully functional, or can you hard reset it immedeately after the pc install.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] PURESKILLZZZ:
I am glad I was able to help.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] PURESKILLZZZ:
I would say its a bug if you cant turn it off. Yes its a preset setting but I personally dont like the bigger size.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] drawde:
There's a disable xt9 cab floating around.. You have to use that to fix the keyboard lag. Unfortunately it also turns off some functionality in some SIPs.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=2162122&postcount=577
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] bapssystupr3m3:
if u read his post i think hes already done it..
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] yoyo0513:
Incoming call window

When I have an incoming call the screen with the caller's name and number is cut off towards the bottom. Anyone know how to fix this?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] PURESKILLZZZ:
I dont notice that bug mate ,.,.. Screen shot please .
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] SH4YD33:
Disable XT9......
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] zhiheng:
Just flashed the ROM, and seems this ROM has some problem with playing wmv files.

The system will automatically reboot when try to play wmv file using windows media player.

Does anyone else has similar problem?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] deeznuts:
I used the disable xt9 option thats in kaiser tweak and didnt work. I installed the xt9 cab and it seems to be working fine now, no spacebar lag anymore. Another bug ive found (not sure if its been mentioned already), when using opera mini and getting a phone call with the phone set on vibrate and ring, phone will still play song through blutooth but the phone itself will just hold its vibration until u answer the call. The phone is also in landscape mode with the hardware keyboard out, not sure if that makes a difference but 3 times in a row now its done this while im using opera mini in landscape mode. Not a big deal but for sure a bug and a little annoying.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] deeznuts:
Screw windows media player! I always use audio manager for music, no problems there.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] pazookie:
anyone else use pocketgba..i run it and the device reboots
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] accent2k2:
Quick Menu

Anyone use quick menu? I keep getting a missing DLL error when my phone boots. It says quick menu was not installed properly. Other than that this Rom is the best Ive seen.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] ajfloridian:
change date to US format

does anyone know how to have date display in mm/dd/yy when creating a task or an appointment? In Dutty's roms changing the regional settings have no effect on the date/time format display anywhere.

I searched not just this thread buy the entire forum but was unable to find any post that either direct me to a registry tweak or else... If I missed this somewhere then maybe my search string sucked! Sorry for that.:D

Please help.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] pazookie:
quick menu works..use this cab
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] cyphol:
Quickmenu is one of my favourite apps on my devices since it's initial release.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] omar302:
To disablelarge Start Menu go to settings>system>touchflo> uncheck "Enable Large Start Menu".
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] PURESKILLZZZ:
Perfect find mate ...... And I just checked works perfectly ....
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] tycorp:
ok, I downloaded as per http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=396922

I downloaded SSPL-KAIS,zip and ran from device, (removed SIM and MEM card)

got USB flah mode, ran the Kaiser-HardSPL-3.28.zip pack,

updated ok,

Still reports as 3.5 Duttys on boot??

Any help!?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] THE-KEK:
Thanks alot. This sorted it out.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] baeshin81:
search for hard spl and DO NOT ASK THOSE QUESTIONS AGAIN...u can verify spl ... search for it...

mine shows 3.5 dutty too on BOOT

LEARN TO SEARCH!!!!!!!!!!!! or read the link you said u read...u quoting off instructions without going through all the steps...finish reading your own link...

Q: How can I be sure that I've successfully changed to SPL-3.2x.Hard?

A: Get into your Bootloader (hold down camera+power buttons while inserting stylus for approximately 3-5 seconds). It should show SPL-3.28.Hard or SPL-3.29.Hard on the second line of text on your screen. If not then you didn't flash the new HardSPL, try again.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] accent2k2:
Thanks I will try it now. What map/gps program you guys prefer with this rom?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] baeshin81:
i use google maps = free

and tomtom = i know its floating around but if you like it pay for it...its good software

both work!! AWESOME WITH NEON RADIO
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] accent2k2:
which version of google maps are you using? Also is there a way where we can see what apps others are using, Via the internet kind of like the Crappy Iphone has a online community where you can get third party apps just by browsing them on your phone?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] PURESKILLZZZ:
Be nice mate .... LOL ...... The XDA way is the way of helping.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] accent2k2:
Whats the diffrence between the Neon Radio and 1.65.16.25 any major reason to switch?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] baeshin81:
i needed that venting doh! all the answers are here people just don't look before they leep!