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[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 General] Ktulu89:
I'm currently downloading the files for the play store. For launchers, would that make the HD 10 more closer to a regular android tablet homescreen? If it is, I might just look into that.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 General] Michajin:
Yes, mostly, menu settings are still fireOS, but app accessibility and home is more like android. It is very much like base android. For launchers i would recommend lawnchair2, it is a nice launcher and simple...
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 General] JackKyle:
Doesnt the option to unlock bootloader available in the developer option? It only asks for the amazon account password to proceed...
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 General] Ktulu89:
Thanks for all the input! One last question if you don't mind. Do the Fire HD automatically download system updates? If so, is there a way to turn it off? Just in case the firmware I'm currently on becomes rootable in the future.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 General] Michajin:
adb shell pm disable-user --user 0 com.amazon.device.software.ota

adb shell pm disable-user --user 0 com.amazon.device.software.ota.override

this should kill updates.

A decent thread for disabling is here...

https://xdaforums.com/hd8-hd10/general/guide-remove-amazon-apps-fire-10-hd-2019-t4009547

I have disabled with the pm disable for 6+ months without issues.

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no, it does not unlock it...
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 General] LordSimal:
So there is basically no hope for unlocking the bootloader, therefore no root, therefore no custom ROMs/AOSP on "current" Fire OS (for me now 7.3.1.2)?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 General] DB126:
Bootloader unlock is very unlikely. Odds of finding a leverageable root exploit are only slightly better. Not to mention benefits will be quite limited as Google expands the rollout of attestation API. The only thing surprising is how long it took Google to implement effective device level authentication.

https://www.androidpolice.com/2020/03/11/safetynet-improvements-kill-magisk-hide/

https://www.androidpolice.com/2020/...-hardware-check-has-been-spotted-in-the-wild/
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 General] Michajin:
There is some hope, but no one is working on it. The bootrom was accessible on the devices and easily booted (last i checked on all). All the newer devices seem to have a mediatek fix in play diabling bootrom access. The bootrom may be exploitable on this device, i believe i was told by a developer that kamakiri may work. But either way it could be a while if ever.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 General] DB126:
To what end? If Google executes and accelerates SafetyNet 'enhancements' root will be a geeky oddity enjoyed by a narrow band of enthusiasts who don't intend to use their device to interface with the larger world. It's like the bored kid down the street who installs a motorcycle engine in their lawn mower. Ok, but to what end?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 General] LordSimal:
Well then praise Amazon Fire Toolbox to have at least all the Amazon cancer removed/disabled and transform the "Amazon OS" into a somewhat useable Android.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 General] Michajin:
Just to be clear... I would be that bored kid (at heart) with the turbo lawn tractor. Either way, the safety net block is likely years out, so let's still play with the lawn tractors!
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 General] DB126:
Better enjoy that tractor on an accelerated timeline :)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 General] newnewcomputer:
reviving this old thread to report that after running the boot scripts for root for almost a year, I have not seen any disable Amazon apps coming back; including OTA, lockscreen ads n a few memory/storage hogs. So even though there was initial concerns about Amazon forcing updates, it has not happened on mine.

Performance on this Fire HD10 w/ Amazon apps disabled n slight bump on its swap setting has been very good. Granted my usage is not demanding - a few 3-yo games, no more than 10 web page (silk browser!), vanced youtube n zoom meetings. memory rarely goes above 1.8GB. Also very happy w/ battery life.

one question - is anyone running the MagiskHide Props or

Advanced Charging Controller module in Magisk? im not sure either module will work; given the delay in root access during boot-up. however ive trouble just installing either module. both installs fail w/ warning "Please install Magisk 20.+" But im already running 20.2 from init.d. tried older versions of the two modules n got the same failure n warning every time.

anyone has luck installing those two modules?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 General] Michajin:
No, because it is a temp root and you cant change the system files, no modules work. I havent seen any development beyond the temp root...
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 General] newnewcomputer:
thanx, Michajin! yes, i read a module install log on my HD10 2017 n saw the files copied to system folder. just got confused by the "Please install Magisk 20.+" message. guess it is a generic warning.

since Amazon is now shipping new HD10 2019 w/ newer n patched firmware, there is not going to be much interest in further unlock beyond the temp root; except for the few of us who bought the tab early ;)

full unlock or not, its still a good buy given its price n hardware. thanx again 4 the quick reply!
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 General] Haldi4803:
So.... Tomorrow is Amazon Prime Day and the Fire HD 10 Is discounted to 90$.

As it looks now there is almost no hope for unlocked Bootloader and custom ROMs?

But using the Temp Root it's still possible to get rid of most Amazon Services (advertising?) And use the tablet normally with Google services?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 General] Kramar111:
$80
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 General] bassmannate:
It appears to be on sale already. Totally going to pick one up since I could really use something bigger than my HD8 to read music. Will have to go back through this whole thing to figure out what the ins and outs are of getting root on it if it's possible.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 General] Letitride:
I can confirm that it is on Early Prime Day SALE now at 47% off to $75 USD if you are a Prime member w Amazon, $80 otherwise. For about $20 out of pocket, I might just pick one up - already has the HD8 Gen 10 (2020) which is much more responsive than the rooted HD8 Gen 7 (2017) that I use as a mini "live" security cam display for our Xiaomi & Wyze cams - just going to use the Tool to block OTA updates, disable Ads & (sideload) Android Play, etc. to get it closer to being a tablet ...

$20 should be my net cost - out of pocket after a "$5 trade-in credit" the old Nexus 7 2012 WiFi 32GB tablet (still works w. a newer battery) and 20% discount, off the new HD10 w 32GB capacity ... and, use some of the Prime Day only credits & other Amazon credits available. What do I got to risk and lose ?? Stay tune ...
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 General] DB126:
Yep - grabbed one for $50 USD net with nothing more than Prime day promos and $10 off a hapless Fire 7 cluttering a junk drawer. No intention to root, etc. Simply block a few abusive actors and call it a day. Great consumption device that also serves as portable 2nd screen for me laptop.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 General] dr_docdoc:
Magical Mystery Money

With $10 off and a sale price of $80, how'd you get to $50? Where'd the other $20 off come from?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 General] lewmur:
I would assume from the Fire 7 trade in.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 General] dr_docdoc:
Trade already accounted for

He said the Fire 7 was $10. The other $20, however, is still unaccounted for.

I did just try it, and it appears they say you'll also get another 20% in ADDITION to the trade in value. I'm guessing that's where it came from.

$75 for prime member, $15 off is the 20% and he got $10 for the trade in = $50. I suspect that's it.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 General] newnewcomputer:
Public Service Announcement

To those jumping in on the HD10 sale AND hoping for temp root:

do NOT connect to wifi when turning on - click back arrow n Skip to get to main menu. check firmware version in Setting. if it is anything newer than 7.3.1.0 (very likely), then no temp root is possible. use the Amazon Toolbox to tweak as u please n be happy w ur new tab :highfive:
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 General] Letitride:
Update - as per several posts above, I finally decided to stick with getting a 2nd. HD8 Gen 10 or 2020 tablet for its lower price & practical easy-to-carry & use functionality, for about $33 at the moment, taxes & free Prime shipping.

Once I shipped in the old (bye, I'll kind of miss it, but not really) Nexus 7 from 2012 - should get another $18 to $23 off back in Amazon credits or GC balance (Gift Card) for the trade-in. That's a steal or one of the best deal for me in 2020 for tech gadgets.

Edit - image isn't loading, for whatever reasons ... here's my breakdown in cost & discounts, etc.

Item - $89.99

Shipping & handling - 0.00

Amazon Move Promo - $9.00

Prime Savings - $5.00

Whole Foods Credit - $10.00

Deal of the Day - $35.00

Total before tax: $30.09

Est. tax: $2.75

Total: $33.74

Gift Card: - $33.74 ****

**** Amazon Gift Card actually has a - $10.00 credit (one-time refill/add)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 General] dr_docdoc:
Say what?

$33??? That's the most insanely sick price I've seen yet! How are you coming by that price? (My kids need an upgrade from their Fire 8 2016.) At $33 a piece I would upgrade the whole lot in a heartbeat. How'd you do it?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 General] Letitride:
I managed to pull it off, you probably didn't catch the line-item breakdown of how I done it. Some of it associated with being Amazon Prime members (you can still do it, sign up for the "free trial now" free, just remember to cancel ... easily done online yourself). There are no limits to quantity purchased, so get it while you can before they sell out ...

We happened to be moving again this year (sold our old house, finally in June - postponed due to the pandemic; downsized & moving into our smaller co-op garden apartment ... USPS change of address included the offers & link to qualify for Amazon's moving discount). Some of the discounts associated with Prime member promo earlier ... no longer available as of this past midnight. Sign up for using A's Gift Card purchase, $100 refill from debit/credit card or checking account get you another $10 bonus to be used ... So, it stacked up & combined for a hefty, insane & crazy discount - even without the trade-in saving of 20% off the tablet (and, maybe/another $5 off or rebate if it pass their inspection ... which it should, my old Nexus 7 still functional & working replacement OEM battery, just very slow by today's standard vs. Android 4 & 5 then)

The silly HD8 tablet case costly more and/or as much as the device itself - luckily, I am getting an extra aftermarket one for about $15 instead - the "older" HD8 2020 that I got from QVC came bundled w a free case at no extra charge (that package was $50 + tax & shipping). Yeah, it's a slick deal that I pulled off, twice.

If you are getting more than one HD8 - split up the purchase on Amazon to take full advantage of various discounts. Good luck !
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 General] DB126:
Spot on. Here's the breakdown (traded in 2018 HD 8 just prior to making purchase)

HD 10...................$149.99

Tablet trade in....-$ 30.00 (20% off list)

Deal of the day...-$ 70.00

Total before tax...$ 49.99

Tax collected.......$ 4.00

Trade in gift cert-$ 10.00

Total paid.............$ 43.99
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 General] dr_docdoc:
Looks like, however, the 20% is not applied to your account (nor the trade in gift card) until AFTER you send back old device, they appraise, and then accept its condition. Is this correct? If I try to check out now, I'm only getting the $79.99 price plus $8 tax (even though I selected trade in option).

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In fact, this appears to be TOO LATE. There's only 29 hours left on the deal, but by time Amazon receives the package, appraisers, and applies the credit - I won't be able to use it on the discounted price of the tablet.

BAH!
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 General] DB126:
All credits were applied at time of purchase. If I fail to send in the HD 8 (or it doesn't pass inspection) Amazon will assess a future charge of $10. I have ridden this pony before; works the same way every time.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 General] dr_docdoc:
Not giving me credit today! :(

You sure about that. Here's what it says when I try to do the trade in:

When I actually do it, here's what it says:

And finally, when I go to check out:

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In fact, here's the page indicating to NOT EXPECT any credits, gift cards, etc., until AFTER receipt AND approval of trade-in condition:

https://www.amazon.com/b/?ie=UTF8&node=10825011011
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 General] DB126:
As stated, all applicable credits were applied at time of purchase. Online card transaction shows expected amount. Just as depicted on receipt

This isn't hard:

- submit qualifying device for trade-in

- put (new} qualifying device in cart

- click through to order summary (not cart subtotal) to see all discounts

Spouse placed an identical order with her account; same result
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 General] dr_docdoc:
Dunno what to tell ya! I showed you what all the steps showed me. Need to wait 10 days for the credit and then I can shop. Went to check out and showed you that total as well (it was the total just before I press purchase button—not the cart subtotal). I wish it wasn’t hard. I really wouldn’t consider myself a dunce, but it simply isn’t showing any of the credits at the end of the order summary just after selecting address, payment and shipping method , and then just before clicking PURCHASE.

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Update: I just tried this on my account. It does work on my account, but not my son’s. The device is registered to him and is recognized as a device to trade in when you select the trade in option. However, it will not auto apply the discounts to his account when doing the trade in. I wonder if it’s because it’s a brand new account (first time sign in to the amazon store)? Maybe we told amazon his age along the line and that is preventing? Don’t know, but at least I know I can get it on my account. Problem is I need to do this for 5 decides, and it says one per customer. Ugh!
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 General] DB126:
Yes, one 20% discount per account per event is the norm. You can still score a modest trade-in gift certificate (typically $10 or less) for multiple older devices but it rarely makes financial sense in the absence of a larger incentive.

Amazon also dishes out 15% discounts for dissatisfied customers with out-of-warranty devices but that requires direct engagement and a plausible 'story'.

Yep, account age matters. Otherwise clowns would spin up multiple temporary accounts to score one-time discounts.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 General] Letitride:
Hah, don't feel bad and you aren't alone. Yours truly on the same boat, so to speak with the trade-in credit (when I submitted mine yesterday, it acknowledged but state that they've issues with their system, etc. etc.) The trade-in acknowledged in My Account and I printed the emailed UPS drop-off shipping label (got till Nov 3rd to do it) for the appraisal & crediting.

I figured that since I'm virtually stealing a brand new HD8 (was going to possibly get the 8Plus but the "discount" wasn't as good as I expected & I really don't need/want wireless charging ... got plenty of turbo/fast charger ... 3GB memory not going to make a big difference for my "needs") Today, I managed to get another $10 GC bonus issued by refilling/adding $50 more to the GC account, since I'm spending that anyway on other Prime Day "Deals" I would be super pleased and happy to get 20% off/credit issued or applied against the HD8 purchase, as that's $18 plus a lousy $5 credit for the Nexus 7 trade-in. Thus, the entire single device HD8 purchase will then be free, entirely (my "current net cost is about $33, minus $18 and then $5 plus the $10 GC bonus)

My bad for sidelining and going off-topic with the intent of the thread to discuss rooting the 2019 HD10 ... going to see whether somewhere out there, XDA'er can come up with ways to unlock & root these Fire tablets. Afterall, when iOS released their v11, v12 and v13 updates, the days of jailbreaking them were supposed to be over & done with ... now, they are doing it against v13 and even v13 devices ... now, I need to do some catching up to read & see if I want to move up to iPadOS 14 or leave it on 13.x

Postscript/final note on - my 2nd. HD8 arrived earlier today, going to use it as a spare & run the Toolkit (V9.0 is latest now) ... re-checked the Trade-in Credit, it's $7.50 for a 2017 Gen 7 HD8 tablet w 32GB memory but only $5 for the Nexus 7 tablet, both are fairly low. Going to keep the Gen 7 HD8 Fire but let the 2012 Nexus 7 go, drop it into the UPS pipeline next week. Sweet to get 20% discount in savings back, even better if it's accepted for the trade-in credit of $5 ... as that meant this new Gen 10 FD8 (2020) is virtually free.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 General] Haldi4803:
It comes with Version 7.3.1.2 from 20. January 2020 Build 0017884837764 PS7312
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 General] newnewcomputer:
PSA Part 2

thanx!

so the fire HD10 on sale this week CANNOT be rooted by mtk-su. tweak it (e.g. disable Amazon stuff n install google play) w/ Amazon Toolbox: https://xdaforums.com/hd8-hd10/development/official-amazon-fire-toolbox-v1-0-t3889604

for background on various fw:

7.3.1.0 - initial release; temp root by mtk-su; fw never posted 4 download

7.3.1.1 - released within DAYS of 7.3.1.0; patch n block mtk-su; allow bootrom access (possible hack?)

7.3.1.2 - currently shipping from Amazon; no known exploit for now

...

7.3.1.5 - latest fw; no known exploit; available 4 download from Amazon n OTA update

have fun! :)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 General] Haldi4803:
7.3.1.6 is the latest.

Build date 9. Oct 2020 22:33
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 General] :
So what are the hopes for this getting a jailbreak so I can put Linux on it? (just because)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 General] DB126:
Lol - zero to -5
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 General] :
So, Had this never done before? lol
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 General] NerdFire:
On this device, no. I haven't quite given up hope yet but nothing is on the horizon.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 General] Droid4200:
Just opened mine it appears to have .13 installed.....
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 General] stuben3232:
Security Level

Aida64 reports the Android Security level as 2018-10-05 WTF Amazon
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 General] joe071:
Can someone tell me which tool they used to block ota updates as in post #147? Downloaded toolbox 10, not sure how to use the adb part, Thanks.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 General] dizzymon:
I guess I will have to hold my breath on my HD 10 2019 7.3.1.6 that I just bought.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 General] bucksitter:
I kind of scored nicely in recently obtaining my own 2019 HD 10. I have owned a 2016 HD 8 for the past four years and really like it. No fiddling with it except to install the Play Store.

As a result of being a Discover card holder in good standing, I was offered a free three month Prime membership in mid - November, which I went for. I had been eyeing the HD 10 since it was introduced last year, and the sales for it at $80 were all over the big box stores. I had no real reason to get it directly from Amazon except...

One day the week of Thanksgiving I happened to go on the Amazon site looking at it, and as I did a mock order run through this small box popped up with an offer of a $100 gift card I could use immediately on any order, if I would sign up for their Prime Visa card (through Chase Bank). I don't collect credit cards as a rule, but to get an HD 10 for nuttin'? Yes, please!

So I did that deal and had about $16 left over, which allowed me to get a carry sleeve, some micro USB to Type C adapters, and a tablet stand, after which I owed about $14. That's essentially my Christmas present this year.

One thing I was disappointed with it was that, my experience with the older HD 8 having the Play Store allowed me to have Google Hangouts running (among other apps), which I use to communicate with one relative, and I have it on my other Android devices (for years). Works great. Yes, I know it's going away officially soon.

But there's apparently a hitch with the HD 10 or its OS. For whatever reason Hangouts doesn't receive incoming messages and post notifications (visible or audible). You can even open the app and see nothing. But open any conversation and it's like it wakes up and any waiting received messages pop into view. After investigating at first I thought something like a battery optimization might be at play against the app, that function being hidden or non-existent in Fire OS.

Perhaps either that or something hard-coded into the system. But I guess I'll just live with it as is unless some fix comes along. Free to me, so I can't complain. I still have the HD 8 and phones for messaging until I have to go searching for another app (unless the new consumer version of Google Chat somehow doesn't have this problem - TBD when it goes live).

My HD 10 currently runs v7.3.1.7.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 General] lewmur:
Google is shutting down Hangouts for making calls. You now have to use Google Voice.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 General] Sherl:
any luck on rooting 7.3.1.2
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 General] Droid4200:
That's what mine came with. firmware is too high for all listed methods, downgrade with adb isn't possible, I wonder if anyone has a method to downgrade firmware by opening the HD 10 2019 and soldering serial/uart to main board and reflashing older firmware. If anyone into serial/UART flashing has any ideas? Is this possible?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 General] newnewcomputer:
highly unlikely - first u need someone taking the time to open n find the test points (only been done successfully on Fire HD8 2018); then figure a way to get the tab to accept the reflash. last but not least, the only firmware rootable via mtk-su was the original 7.3.1.0 from initial release of HD10 2019. afaik amazon never posted it for download. so u will have to pull it from the recovery of an existing tab.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 General] DARKFiB3R:
Who is this person? I will gladly donate my HD10 to them, and even pay the postage.

Keep it, destroy it in the process, but please break us out of this prison.

I'm so xxxx done with this restrictive xxxx. I actually hate using it because I'm constantly running up against arbitrary restrictions.

I can't even pin a xxxxx shortcut to the homescreen from Chrome! A minor issue, for sure, but absolutely inductive of the entire situation.

I'm about ready to launch this piece of xxxx into outer space.

Sorry for the rant, I'm just so frustrated right now.

It doesn't help knowing that it's my own stupid fault, because I bought this in the nieve belief that it would be rooted in short order, and that this would be budget tablet nirvana.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 General] newnewcomputer:
while there may not be anyone able to unlock the Fire HD10 2019, all is not lost...

plz try tweaking ur tab w/ the Amazon Fire Toolbox here: https://xdaforums.com/hd8-hd10/development/official-amazon-fire-toolbox-v1-0-t3889604

it can remove Amazon bloatware, install Google Play Store, even a new launcher so u can do whatever w/ the home screen. i got my tabs early after launch with rootable firmware so i dont need the toolbox but there are many success stories n happy users for HD10 2019 in that thread.

good luck!
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 General] StonedEngineer97:
anyone know what was patched between 7.3.1.0 and newer? just comparing the source code it looks like 7.3.1.5 was the first to patch the mtk-su vulnerability in the cmdq_driver

just bought a 7.3.1.2 and was hoping to dig into the code with all this free time
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 General] novatillo:
You can see diffs in the kernel source code here.