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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] djcasual:
Your signature says that you're using spl 3.29; which is why I brought it up.

Here's what has worked for me so far on a AT&T Tilt.

+ ROMS

- Official AT&T ROM v3.57.502.2

- NATF v5 Final AT&T Loaded

- PDACornerUltimate.V14-20940 (Also V13,V12,V10)

+ Radios

- v1.65.21.14 (Perfect so far)

- v1.65.21.18 (although battery drained quick with this version)

+ HardSPL

- v3.56

+ GPS Tools (all work perfectly)

- SeaSgee GPS Quick Position

- TomTom v7

- GoogleMaps (w/Street View)

- MS Live Search

Like I mentioned before; cold starts are always under 1 minute when I'm outdoors or in my car (ussually 30-40 seconds). Inside buildings can take ~1 but always under 2 minutes on a cold start.

Warm starts are under 5 seconds but never more than 20 seconds.

Again, stay away from any QuickGPS that saves xtra.bin file. This is bogus, and explains why so many people have problems with QuickGPS. Just because QuickGPS works (downloads/updates the data) doesn't mean it's really working.

Does anyone know what part of the system (GPS drivers/DLLS/OS/Radio) looks for the packedEphemeris.ee file?

Good Luck

DJC
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] wisniak:
You're righ, I'm sorry...

I flashed so many SPLs, ROMs and radios during these past few months that I got confused.

I meant to write that I had that SPL for a long time, w/o any positive results (Some of that time with the current ROM and radio).

I have instaleed what has proven to be the best setup for me up to now, in terms of phone

reception inside my house, battery life and GPS performance.

But as I've written, GPS performance has never been good for me, no matter what, while using AGPS.

Most importantly, Since I use IGO8, and IGO8 can't coexist with AGPS, it's turned OFF at all times (using Schaps Advanced Config). So no silotion that is based upon AGPS is relevant for me.

This is why I was curious to se whether the Avaricum solution would work. Answer - It did get me a very quick fix outdoors the 1st time, then I had problems for a couple of days while trying to update via GPRS (I received a strange error message and code) but WAS able to update via ActiveSync. But no matter what, I never got a fat fix again while using this CAB.

And regarding the SeaSgee CAB, I've known about it for a while now, it bever produced any results for me.

SO- back to square one.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Ninlour:
well,,, I got the same exact problem ..

after upgrading to 6.1 that I wish i didn't my GPS is kind of Useless..

I work on tomtom7

some times I get to the destination and the GPS couldn't find my location yet
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] IzzyB:
So How Do I fix my GPS

Hello All,

I am new to this list. I recently made a bad mistake:( of upgrading my Kaiser to the WM 6.1 from HTC. It all went well, but my GPS has all but stopped working (IGO 6 hangs when trying to set up the GPS port). GPS Test does better, but it takes forever to get a fix.

Now, I reviewed the thread (and others) and I am not sure what is best. Here are my questions:

1. Should I just go back to WM 6 and not bother trying to get my GPS to work on 6.1?

2. What do you guys recommend to get the GPS working under 6.1?

3. Is the "HardSPL" different then plain old "SPL"?

Thanks in Advance

Model: HTC Kaiser (AT&T)

SPL: SPL 3.56

ROM: 3.57

RADIO: 1.65.21.18
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Flying Kiwi:
So much for an 'upgrade' huh - if it aint broke.....

You need to make sure you've hard reset the device (an essential step after performing any ROM upgrade). Also make sure you've downloaded the latest Quick GPS data and test the device outside in the open while stationary. If you're still unhappy with the devices GPS performance, see my reply in post 186 in this thread.

I'm not familiar with IGO but if that software hangs when setting up a GPS port, make sure you've configured it correctly and if you're still stuck, the IGO support people (or others here with that product) may be of assistance. Oh and HardSPL is a customised (non-official) version of the latest official SPL that you already have. Read the wiki for further info but there shouldn't be a difference in GPS performance between the two and installing the hard version will mean AT&T won't support the device in that state.

I'm staying with WM 6.0 and Tomtom 6.032 (having had my ROM reverted by HTC) because so far the official WM 6.1 offerings are inferior as far as reliability goes (not only in terms of GPS performance).
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] postinternet:
GPS not working after soft reset

Hello,

I recently flashed my Dutch Tytn2 with the following software.

Kaiser-HardSPL-3.56

pdacornerultimate ROM

Kaiser_Radio_Only_1.65.21.14

Everythings works great also the GPS/TomTom had a fix within 1 minute.

After i did a soft-reset of the device i can't get a fix with my GPS / TomTom.

The message in TOMTOM appears" Bad gps signal". But after waiting for 20 minutes it has still the same message. Also i don't see any satalite.

When i hard reboot my device, i can use my GPS. But when i soft-reset it, it doesn't work.

Is have tright treid different radio rom's and upgraded from HardSPL 3.29 to 3.56.

What can i do? I'm from the Netherlands.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Flying Kiwi:
Straight from a custom ROM thread

Since it's been quite some time and no one else has responded, I did a search for you - but you could have done it yourself :p IF it's the ROM version mentioned in this thread then did you install the QuickGPS fix cab that it refers to in the known issues part? Have you installed anything else on your ROM after the hard reset?

As that's a custom ROM, you're always best to ask any questions in the applicable thread for the ROM where more people that use (and develop) it will hang out.:cool:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] postinternet:
Hello, i have been searching a lot, but no results...

Today i gave a hard reset to the device and then use HTC GPS to finds some satellites. Soon there was a fix.

But after i gave the device a soft reset, no satellite can't be found.

Please help
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Flying Kiwi:
What about clicking the link I provided (the blue 'this thread') and reading there about it? Did you try installing the file THAT mentions and if so, what was that result? Let this be a message to all those running Custom ROMs - you NEED to at least read the thread relating to the ROM with regards to any possible issues you may experience and how to fix them. If you cant do that then in my opinion you should be sticking to whatever came with your device originally rather than attemptiong to customise it with different ROMs - walk before you try running.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ashmont:
Hardspl 3.56 worked for me

I recently upgraded my ROM to the latest WWE and radio posted on this site (3.34.721.2/1.70.19.09). The first time I tried to do a fix having just soft reset the phone it took 45 seconds. I was standing outside in my garden in London but it was overcast so I was really impressed with less than a minute. I thought that I had cracked the 6.1/GPS issue. However the performance soon deteriorated. I would be walking along outside with clear skies and it could take more than 5 minutes to lock on even from warm start. Using the application GPS Test I could see that I was picking up the Satellites and I could be getting lots of green bars but it just wouldn't lock on. I could never repeat the success of the first test. What's more many times I would wait 10 or 15 minutes and just not get a fix.

I thought I'd try the suggestion of changing Hardspl from 3.29 to 3.56 and lo and behold it now works the way it did with windows mobile 6. The time to get a fix obviously depends on lots of factors:

- how long since the last time a fix was achieved

- how far away you are from the last fix location

- whether the phones has been soft reset

- whether you are inside or out

However so far I've had good results in most cases even while on the train. I used to find walking from Canary Wharf tube to my work I couldn't lock on at all during my 7 minute walk to the office but now it does it in 20 seconds or less. I would certainly recommend trying it. Then you can start using Google Latitude to its full potential :)

Cheers,

Ashley
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Flying Kiwi:
Thanks Ashley, as a fellow UK person your report is very useful to me - time to do some flashing although I think after the flashing I may replace the hardSPL 3.56 with the HTC 3.34 standard spl for that ROM - have you tried that full 'HTC Official' (well at least for Hong Kong) combination at all in the UK?

Sorry for being cautious but having had my GPS performance wrecked with an official HTC WM 6.1 upgrade once before, I want to be sure it'll not deteriorate at all. GPS is a function I use alot on my TyTN II and I often can't afford to be without it.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] sraksinn:
Hopeless GPS,

My ordeal is hopeless. I have tried everything being suggested on this thread, but to no avail. I am trying to get TT7 to work but I found no "GPS Available". Win6.1, 3.57.502.2 WWE, Radio 1.65.21.18, hardspl 3.56, SHYT "QuickGPSFix". GpsTest, many more. What do I need to do, throw this POS in the garbage?

End of rants,
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] postinternet:
I have exactely the same problem. I have updated my device to 19 January 2009 [Garmin.DK.10.Lite], softspl 1.70.18.02 and Hardspl 3.59 and NOGPS fix available anymore. For just 1 time i had a fix but after a softreset i doesn;'t work anymore!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] pravsdude:
Ok.. I've tried almost every solution I have found out there, and am about to return (again!) to WM6.0 :( Curiously, my problem with GPS is something I haven't found anyone mention anywhere.

Ever since I upgraded to WM6.1 GPS will work like a charm.. ONLY.. and I mean ONLY if there is NO sim Card inserted into the phone *confused*

Once a sim card's inserted (even if phone operation's turned off), GPS is found, but lo and behold behaves extremely slow, erratic and with Tomtom makes navigation impossible as its constantly off position by about 50-100 yards or more! Not only that, but speed measured is always close to half the real speed which I'm travelling at. Weird thing is, when I pull it back to WM6.0 it works like a charm again, even WITH the sim card.

Any suggestions? Anyone experiencing the same problems. I've tried several radios (namely several 1.65 and 1.7 radios), but same results with the SIM card issue. Even tried different sim cards to see if it was the sim card that was interfering somehow.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Flying Kiwi:
Thank you for this feedback, I was going to upgrade to that ROM as I've seen such good reviews for its GPS. I'm wondering if maybe some sort of unhelpful AGPS involvement is occuring and if so, why it's not working for you, when it seems to work for others. Have you reviewed the ROM thread to see if thats any help? Have you configured the regional settings for the correct country and have you tried installing any of the other updates available for that ROM from HTCs website (eg the one to give band selection back) - don't know if that'll make a difference but it's worth a try. Maybe someone else in Spain who's using the 3.34.721.2 ROM can post their experiences. You might also want to upgrade your spl to either the HTC 3.34 version or hardSPL 3.56 also radio to 1.70.19.09 to see if that fixes things.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] pravsdude:
Thanks Flying Kiwi for your suggestions.. unfortunately, I've tried all of your suggestions to no avail.

However, as fate would have it, soon after posting, I thought to myself... "old is gold", so why not try with an older radio?? I've tried pretty much everything esle, so I did.

I installed 1.58.26.20, which I had read somewhere uses a different sim manager to 1.65 radios... And it works again!! Yipppeee.. Ok.. so the GPS has a slight lag, but it's within reason, and can be used for navigation. Tested with both tomtom and McGuider. Gonna keep trying radios and I'll post something when I have my final findings, together with call quality and power consumption, camera, etc.. cos I haven't really had time to try any of those out.

Otherwise, flying kiwi, from the 3/4 ROMs I have tried, this one is indeed my fave, that's why I've been banging my head over the GPS and WM6.1 for months (and done lots and lots of reading before posting). I would certainly give it a shot, its the snappiest one I've tried so far and a total keeps for me.

EDIT: PS: Try with HTC 3.34, I had the feeling the phone felt a little quicker with that. I'll be keeping HARD 3.28 until I'm satisfied with my radio issues
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Flying Kiwi:
Glad to read you've got it sorted although I would have expected the radio that was released with the ROM (NOT the one currently in your sig which according to the XDA wiki is Dutch) would have given acceptable performance. I'm sure I read somewhere here in XDA that the 3.56 hardSPL gives better GPS performance over 3.28 hardSPL. As you say SPLs have deeper influence over the operation of the device than just bootloading so you may find upgrading that solves the slight lag thats still remaining.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] vcespon:
ROMs with fast GPS fix without having to install a fix:

- HTC WM6.0 with 1.27.XX.XX radio

- HTC WM6.1 with 1.58.26.20 radio

- PDA Corner ultimate with 1.65 or 1.70 radio

All other WM 6.1 ROMs do NOT use QuickGPS data, it takes 2 - 3 minutes on cold fix and it ignores the efemerides data.

Also, the country setting of GPS really has some efect. I changed it from the default US to SP (Spain) and now the GPS programs show the expected satellite positions before receiving signals. The fix is much more quick now. It seems to work with any WM 6.1 radio.

BTW. After trying many cooked ROMs, I'm back with the old classic NOTHRILLS V3, fast, simple and coherent. No unexpected behaviours, I do not lose any functionality, cleartype works in landscape, and I have 70 MB storage free after installing all my programs, including the latest versions of Opera, Google maps and Skype. Also 65 MB RAM Free, with more recent WM 6.1 ROMs I got the "not enough memory" message while opening GPSTuner with Opera in the background. I don't get the sense of the page pool thing, you just lose 20 MB of RAM and get nothing back. WM 6.0 ROM was pretty fast, NOTHRILLS ROM is pretty fast as it is...

I got tired of ROMS with no video call, that lose the first letter of a message, word autocomplete does not work, can't select multiple files in file explorer, can't select multiple messages in message list, the vibrator activates in the middle of a call, phone does not ring when receiving a call, included camera has no autofocus, e-mail does not work... I really fail to see ANY improvement over a standard HTC ROM in most cooked ROMs.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] pravsdude:
thanks vcespoon, will try to change country settings to SP, as I had tried ES for spain, maybe that has something to do with it. I have been trying various of the Polaris 1.59 radios, and though GPS is working brilliantly with them, my data connections aren't really working :( I was loving 1.70.19.09 radio for data and battery perfomance, but had the issues with GPS. Gonna keep flashing radios until I'm happy :rolleyes:

Then I'll post again with my findings... for now, I had to get rid of 1.58.26.20 cos my camera wouldn't work, and the sound would go randomly and return only after a soft reset. Best results so far are with 1.59.42.23 and 1.59.42.15 but as I said, having issues with my data connection. Shows as connected, but doesn't seem to be.

More after I've tried a few.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] pravsdude:
Ok guys... after a fair amount of trial and error.. I have finally confirmed that my issue with the GPS was somehow Radio related, as I have posted before. It is the weirdest thing, as it only works without the SIM card inserted with radios 1.65.xxxx and 1.70.xxxx. Pity, especially as I was getting such great battery life with the 1.70.xxxx radios. Anyhoooo.. trial and error system.. I finally found a radio I can say I'm happy with.. as per my signature.. 1.59.46.12 (the latest Polaris radio I've found). All the 1.5xxx radios I tried had my GPS working. This one so far's the best I have come across for battery life and voice signal quality. GPS is reasonably good, a little slow ttff, but ok on warm starts. Again, from what I understand this is area specific, so just to note, I'm in the Canary Islands... Spain :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ashmont:
Working brilliantly at the moment

I have to say I've had extremely variable GPS results since updating to the 3.56 Hardspl and radio 1.70.19.09. I am using Ultimate PDA v17 ROM. Initially I seemed to get reasonably good results and I could consistently get a fix in under three minutes from cold start and under 30 seconds from warm start (not brilliant but acceptable). Then I would go through periods when it would just not fix for love or money. I have Turbo GPS on my phone and the satellites would show up alright but it would never fix. I could be outside with clear skies and no buildings around and no fix and then other times I could be inside on a cloudy day and get a fix.

At the moment, however, it's working beautifully. It regularly gets a fix on

cold

start in under 15 seconds. The other evening I was walking outside and I thought I'd fix on the satellites to save time later as the phone had been soft reset. To my amazement the fix happened in less than 10 seconds. I thought I must have misremembered soft resetting the phone so this morning I did a soft reset and tried again. Sure enough a fix from cold in seconds. The other funny thing is that I now get many satellites in TGPS immediately after cold start whereas before you had to wait a bit for the first satellite to appear and then gradually more and more would appear. The only thing I have done is changed the registry setting in QuickGPS to update once a day rather than once a week. Maybe the satellites have turned up their signal strength or the data coming from QuickGPS is now working. It's just very strange.

At the moment I'm very pleased with this but I'm waiting for it to deteriorate again...

Cheers,

Ashley
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] falconz:
Does this mean you are downloading thte quickgps data every day? Because I already noticed as soon as I update the quickgps data, i will have a fix in no time. But what I want is that without updating (but with still valid data) after a soft reset, the phone is still able to get a fix within 40 seconds or sooner...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ashmont:
Basically I went into the registry and changed the value of HKLM\Software\HTC\QuickGPS\Expire Time to one seventh of its current value. This has the effect of causing QuickGPS to download data every day rather than every week. After I did this I found that I could get a GPS fix quickly even after a soft reset and without doing another QuickGPS download. Of course the improvement may be due to something else such as something that Turbo GPS does or improvements in the QuickGPS ephemeris data. Whatever it is I don't mind as I now feel GPS is working as it should.

Cheers,

Ashley
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Flying Kiwi:
An easier way to get daily QuickGPS updates

Or you can just do what I do and charge the battery on the phone using a PC connected to the internet and QuickGPS will automatically be updated every time it's plugged in (at least with the ROM I currently use, a newer HTC Official ROM I tried wouldn't do this and that's just one of the reasons I reverted).
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kissifer1972:
How do you change the country settings for the GPS? Can you change the refresh rate? This is the problem I am having, takes so long to refresh sometimes TomTom can't gets its directions out in time.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] bcbarnes:
I am having the same problem with refesh rate - it seems if you query the GPS then you get good data, but if you just let it send data at its normal rate, sometimes it doesn't send anything for up to 90 seconds - which makes most apps (Destinator 6 in my case) think the GPS is gone.

Brian.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] GhotiGhongers:
Have you tried installing 'Advanced Config' (http://www.4shared.com/account/file/37342349/dc396404/AdvancedConfig_v2100.html) and then disabling 'Assisted GPS'?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Boinng:
I have Kaisertweak installed and it's always been disabled in that :(
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Sideburnt:
hmmm im not so sure. If you look at the thread link theres people who can change the registry setting and get the change to stick after a reset and those who can't.

If you could chase down why the registry isn't sticking you'll be all set.

Also bear in mind I had to reinstall QuickGPS so I might have a different version running. It says 1.4 in the about notes. check your version too. I'll be happy to post my QuickGPS cab for you. It took me some time to track down.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ardsar:
The version of quickgps that comes with HTCs WM6.1 is marked as version 1.0 yet the copyright date is 2008!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kb9nvh:
When i first bought my TILT my GPS worked OK and about on par with my handheld garmin GPS. I flashed a ROM or two and every one gave me MUCH worse results(time to acquire) than my original until I got to Dutty's april 29th release which worked about as well as the original.

Flashed Death V3.5 and the GPS and his included radio and it is way way better than it ever was and even locks faster than my garmin handheld unit. This is even before I ran quickgps.

I know you're not interested in comparisons but my experience with the newest radios and ROM of death is just so much better than my stock ever was that it might push you in that direction. Hey, if your installing custom tweaker cabs your half way there. :-)

Good luck finding your real issue.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Kosem:
I have the same issue - but only in certain countries. I'm out of my home country now, and here it takes the GPS from 5 to 15 minutes to get a lock; a few days ago back home, it was consistently taking less than 30 seconds.

I believe that would imply that QuickGPS is indeed the culprit.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] pjam:
Possible alternative to quickgps - SeasGee

I've been having trouble with the apparent lack of assistance from quickgps and i remembered trying this software previously. I have just tried again and it seemed much faster.

I have set quickgps not to auto update and renamed the xtra.bin file within the windows folder to ensure the SeasGee data is used.

Please try and report back.

pjam
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] hotplainrice:
I have HardSPL 3.29 on and have tried 2 WM6.1 ROMs. I waited for 20 minutes and I can't get any lock on my position.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Karolis:
I have used my HardSPL'ed device with no trouble for quite a while. When the official version of 6.1 came out, I have upgraded to it (as well as reverted to the original SPL) and that's where the problems started. GPS would not get a lock for over 5 minutes. But then I have found a solution which worked great.

But here's where things get even more interesting. I'v decided to HardSPL the device again and try dutty's new ROM. Everything was great except that GPS sucked, so I thought I'll go back to the official ROM. Guess what GPS still sucks.

I've tried all the solutions posted in this thread + the one I've used before – no luck.

Now I think it might be related to me messing with External GPS settings. http://www.modaco.com/word-warning-re-GPS-se-t258943.html

I will try to do hard reset tomorrow and then post how it went.