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[Off-topic] jeffla:
I'm seriously considering selling both my tilts and getting the new iphone. I am not sure if I can live without a keyboard, but will find out. But is it true it does not have stereo bluetooth for music? That does not seem possible to me. Anyone know for sure?

Thanks,

Jeff
[Off-topic] ChumleyEX:
http://gizmodo.com/5014705/iphone-3g-the-stuff-that-didnt-get-upgraded

is this reliable enoug for you?
[Off-topic] fttilt:
iPhone is elegant

I've been a Win Mobile user for several years using HTC devices. What has HTC given us over the past few years? Mostly devices with problems (there are exceptions). I had the xv6700 and it didn't work right until AKU3. It took 1.5 years to finally work. Now with the Kaiser, the graphics drivers suck. ATT still hasn't released WM6.1. And who wants to deal with constantly flashing their phones to find the best OS. It is a time consuming task for something that should work out of the box.

iPhone's OS simply defeats Win Mobile from a graphics and usability perspective. It lacks the h/w keyboard but the soft keyboard works better than any soft keyboard for the Tilt. In landscape mode using Safari, the soft keyboard is just as good as a h/w keyboard. Too bad it doesn't work in landscape mode for all apps. Regardless, the iPhone is a joy to use. You have to look at how innovative it really is. As soon as the 32 GB model is out, I'm selling my Tilt. There are tethering apps out for jailbroken phones. Working with exchange was my biggest issue.

HTC has burned me twice. I'm sure others feel the same way. Releasing a new device to fix another device's problems is not the way to keep customers. At least apple regularly comes out with fixes.
[Off-topic] benmyers2941:
I'm out, it's missing the basic stuff. MMS, copy/paste, etc. Also they're changing things up to help cut down on unlockers. 1 - it has to be activated in store. 2 - Apple is "workin" on a way to "peanlize" those who do not activate the phone in 60 days. No thanks. I'd rather buy a phone from a company that didn't act against it's customers. (HTC just kind of ignores them, I'm looking at you Tytn II video drivers)
[Off-topic] denco7:
I have been an Apple fan-boy since day on (Apple IIc ) my first PDA was a Newton. I have a Tilt and it is the best. My wife has a iPhone, so I frequent both forums.

Hang around the my iPhone sucks forum for a while. Then switch to the Steve Jobs and Apple f**ked me forum for a while. The grass is always greener................

http://discussions.apple.com/forum.jspa?forumID=1139
[Off-topic] robosiris:
This thread has nothing to do with the Kaiser, and should be moved to the "General Discussion" forum. It's a waste of space, art least here anyway.
[Off-topic] efjay:
I dont really see what the "features" are that make this phone so much better than others. Cool ui - yes, nice storage - yes, but is all that worth things like being locked into a 2yr contract with a mandatory data plan, restrictions on applications and generally being under Apple's thumb? Personally, I dont think so.
[Off-topic] ChumleyEX:
Just imagine the next few generations of the IPhone. I think those are the ones to watch out for. They did some minor things in one year but in 2, wow, they really could do a lot. Oh and the sdk is out for developers.
[Off-topic] hazeline:
Anyone jumping to iphone 3G??

Iphone now cost $199 and u get a wonderful processor, plus a big screen. so anyone giving up on other phones??

Please give reasons why and why not. Thanks.
[Off-topic] jeffla:
Guess I'm sticking with the tilt (which i do love, just thought an iphone would be fun).

I will not live without stereo bluetooth headphones. How messed up that the most hyped music phone on the market, an ipod, does not support bluetooth stereo. I only listen to music that way.
[Off-topic] jallenclark:
I agree but bluetooth stereo users are in the minority. I would guess because it requires an expensive purchase (compared to wired) of the headset. It also required you to keep the wireless headset charged. Then sometime you get skipping with the bluetooth.
[Off-topic] NotATreoFan:
Of course AT&T or Apple would not approve a tethering app! :rolleyes: You just have to jailbreak the phone and load an "unapproved" application.
[Off-topic] jallenclark:
But ATT sells the Tilt with ICS on it, why wouldn't they allow users to download a tethering app?

I agree that if they don't users will just jailbreak and put their own on.
[Off-topic] l3v5y:
Aaaah HTC! :d

I agree Apples policy is quite harsh, but my main complaint about the "New iPhone" is that it's not new... The Diamond does the same, if not more, and isn't marketed as "New"...

And, apart from 3G, and unusable (without large ammounts of data) GPS, what is new?
[Off-topic] l3v5y:
It's $199 with a 24 month contract...

Diamond has a higher res screen

I believe the Diamond also has a higher clocked processor.

Has a rubbish keyboard...

I dislike the closed source OS, and lack of easy development and deployment of apps.

I dislike Apples marketing, and the way they are selling it as a "revolutionary" product...

It may have GPS, but try and find some software for it (other than Google Maps).

On the upside,

Large screen

Lots of memory...

BTW, there are already threads out for this...
[Off-topic] wmvfan:
iphone has a 620 mhz

diamond has "just" 528 mhz

hope there will be a prepaid version of the new iphone.

can you buy it without at&t contract in apple store ? (like the old one)
[Off-topic] hambola:
About the iPhone, 3G & GPS are not new things. Neither is push Exchange support. My cruise has been doing that for awhile now. and the kaiser even longer. The interesting thing is that while Apple is still releasing firmware updates a year later that drastically improve the features available for their device, HTC ignores any software updates for ours and just releases new hardware devices. I don't think Apple's business model is too bad. They don't release several different models and a new phone every few months. They have one device and continue to support it. I realize HTC gives us choices with different models which is great, but how about some support or updates? Nevermind the fact that WM6 updates are a freakin joke. 6.1 added what, some lame IE "features" and threaded SMS?? come on. seriously.
[Off-topic] l3v5y:
I believe that although the stock processor is 628MHz, it is underclocked to 400MHz, although I may be wrong...
[Off-topic] ayyu3m:
this is getting to be rather boring and pointless if ya ask me. why dont u iphone fanboys find some iphone forum and loose ur ends there. damn!
[Off-topic] l3v5y:
Okay, so the WM6.1 update was a bit retarded, but give me something the current (2G) iPhone can do better than my aging Prophet. And for the 3G iPhone, the Diamond is about the same price and same date...

(apart from screen resolution)

EDIT: Make it the original touch to compare with the iPhone. Similar size, and date although the Touch was much cheaper (and the touch is essentially just a repackaged Prophet, so I gain nothing in terms of hardware...)
[Off-topic] l3v5y:
I agree, but a good argument is always fun :D
[Off-topic] hambola:
My post is not meant to be pro iPhone, if you search all my posts you will see several where I list major cons about it. For example, I had a picture on my phone, and there was no way to get it to my friend on his iPhone. It won't connect with Bluetooth, it wouldn't accept the pic through an MMS. It wouldn't let him save the picture from an email I sent him (new firmware is supposed to allow you to save images from emails). Pretty freakin lame. But credit is given where credit is due, and the phone has pros and cons to it, just like our HTC devices do.

My post was about the fact that we don't get updates to ours. That includes updates from Microsoft and HTC. WM6.1 update was a joke. And HTC doesn't care about video drivers or updating any of their software and is busy making Diamonds & Touch Pros. The rest is left to the guys on XDA to rip those apps out of new devices and create CABs and ROMs for our devices to stay current.

I've said this before and will say it again, if it wasn't for XDA I don't think I would be getting HTC devices.
[Off-topic] l3v5y:
XDA-Devs is awesome, and is another reason why WM is better than the iPhone... There is far more variation, and so more possibilities for what can be ripped and modded...
[Off-topic] fredline12002:
Apple can go and get iFu©ked.
[Off-topic] fredline12002:
My case in point.
[Off-topic] l3v5y:
Oh yes! But this is better than any other Fu©k, it combines three revolutionary techniques... (I think I'll stop there ;))
[Off-topic] wmvfan:
iphone use the Marvell PXA 320 (ARM1176JZF) cpu.

the core is scalable to 800 MHz

it´s underclocked to 620 to save battery.

here you can see how the iphone is build up:
[Off-topic] :
I must say I'm tempted. The iPhone 3G is what the iPhone should have been in the first place. I'm waiting to see if my carrier will get the Touch Pro. If they do then I will get that instead.
[Off-topic] mchapman007:
Sorry folks! Never going to get an iPhone.... My wife is all the eye candy I need....
[Off-topic] sonus:
I don't get what all the Apple hate is about. I won't be switching to the 3G iphone only b/c the way I see it, both the iPhone and HTC phones have their issues. However, my bet is on Apple fixing their issues (i.e. lack of 3rd party software) before I see MS/HTC fixing their issues (crappy UI and slow responsiveness)...And thus I'll likely be the owner of a 3rd gen iPhone before owning a wm7 phone. Anyone who's seriously picked up an iPhone and used it for any lenght of time would know that our WM phones have some serious UI/responsiveness/usability catching up to do.
[Off-topic] robosiris:
I will never get an I-Phone. BUT you can ignore that fact that Apple are marketing genuises compared to MS and HTC. Probably because they are focused on oe device. Not only that, Apple's support and upgrades are like clockwork and do make the device better. Whereas HTC support sucks to high heaven and sell many devices which all of them can use a upgrade or two.

Sony's X1, Touch Pro Diamond hasn't even come out yet, but they can use a upgrade right about now too, lol.

My next device will probably be Nokia N96, hopefully around Christmas. 5 meg pixel camera with Carl zeiss lens, exceptional video playing/recording and overall media capabilities, Mobile TV out, the apps, and a internal 16 Gig memory + SD slot for extra memory!! (where my 24 Gig card, lol?)

And it can send and recieve MMS messages, lol. Just my two cents.
[Off-topic] Rudegar:
dont hate measure the pro vs. the cons and get the device which fit the best

personaly i want to be able to find all sorts of strange old free programs and games

and make my own without too much hassel

and i want sd storage

but the of cause because of the 2th requirement diamond is out too
[Off-topic] teammee:
two different things

IMHO... we can not compare IPhone with Windows Mobile phone... it's totally different kind of product.

ok, many people might argue that both are the same kind, because both can be used to make a phone call etc.etc. but the way the user use it is heavily different.

with IPhone we get what they offer.. a nice looking product with a quite stable performance, nice interface, and the most important thing by having IPhone is fashion... life style... it's exactly the same reason why people choose to buy Ipod rather than MP3 player from other manufacturer..

but that's it... you just buy an expensive product and use it... just like when you bought your first mobile phone years ago... and at this moment there are not so many third party applications.. and you have to live with the default one.. also up to now there is no chance to play with the os.. (maybe later...)..

with WM Phone, we get a windows device in our pocket, that can be used as a phone... together with the famous unstability of windows OS... but.. we really know what is inside.. we can play with the system.. try to make it better... optimize it... also do some customization.. remove this.. adding that... with tons of applications available out there, and i guess, this is what most people in this forum wants... (including me ;) )...

in short, if you just want to have a phone + multimedia device and you wants to looks cool carrying Apple gadget in your pocket... you better look for IPhone...

but if you want to have a device that can be customized as you need.. WM device is the answer...

one more thing... all IPhone only able to do the same things... but I bet that your WM device has different applications with mine...
[Off-topic] jadephyre:
the iPhone is for Guys/Gals who have keep up in being "stylish".

As are all Apple Products.
[Off-topic] AthenaLod:
Add a Poll?

Why not add a poll, it will be interesting too the trend.
[Off-topic] robosiris:
I agree with Teammee. You can't really compare .... it's like comparing cooked roms for the Kaiser. It boils down to what cook you like better, and everyone's entitled to their own opinion and preference(s).

It's funny how all these Iphone threads are popping up all over the place. I wish there was one central place here on XDA where people can voice their opinion/view about the Iphone. Perhaps there should an Iphone forum here. There would be alot less random threads popping up randomly.
[Off-topic] master athlon:
no i will not, b/c like many have said the OS seriously lacks 3rd party support, and yes apple has said to support more programs, but they TEST every single one, before it even sees an iphone. And dont let the new price get you all excited, check out this article.
[Off-topic] vlodeck:
TomTom will be available shortly for iPhone.
[Off-topic] NotATreoFan:
The ICS app is included in the ROM, but on most (if not all) AT&T ship ROMs, there is no shortcut for it, so you have to dig through the Windows folder to get to it. You also need to pay $59.99/mo for their laptop connect plan if you want them to look the other way on tethering.
[Off-topic] graztd:
i wamt both iphone and diamond or touch pro

think i will get both in time :)
[Off-topic] hotplainrice:
Me:

Have a Kaiser. Today, Apple-convert.
[Off-topic] monster2223:
so what are you saying denco? I trust your advice. Now that the 3G is out and it sports SDK, GPS, and so forth, would you still rather take the kaiser? If so, why? My whole family argues for iPhone and I don't know exactly what to argue back considering I never use bluetooth audio OR the camera for the matter.

Let me also add the intricates of my discount. I can get the iphone for 150, and the Kaiser for 120, which I already have, but have 10 days to return.
[Off-topic] hazeline:
I thought....

I thought now third party softwares are allowed now, SDK??? Thats why apple is selling so cheap for a iphone which comes with tempting specifications.
[Off-topic] chococrazy:
Actually 3g costs more than the normal iphone 40 bucks more for the cheapest plan to be exact (over a 2 year period) Because u have to sign up for a 2year contract. ill quote an article "If you give away a razr for free you can charge out of the nose for the blades."

Either way the iphone is the same as a brick with 3g written on the side they both are used to lift things up and can hold stuff down but cant do anything much more.
[Off-topic] Alemaker:
:eek: Minority?

Cutting edge is more like it. Charging?? hmm, my Motorola BT headphones ROCK!! and charging them overnight is no problem. Skipping? hmm, there have been ppl complainig about that, but I for one never experience it.

No AD2P support is ridiculous, like I said in my post back on the 3rd or 4th page, woulda jumped ship cept no AD2P is a deal breaker. Tilt with a 8GB sd, AD2P, and GPS + 3G= no iPhone for me.
[Off-topic] gman8966:
I wonder if I get the new iphone since you have to have data. Will I be able to keep my kaiser and use the same sim to switch back and forth between the two?
[Off-topic] robosiris:
Possibly. I'm thinking of the scenerio that you enter an authorized AT&T store and activating it there. They may say that because the "Iphone" is not a PDA like the Kaiser), thus requiring a the $30/month Iphone data plan. This is what I'm speculating, but can totally envision them saying this you to increase their profits (and deplete your bank account, lol)
[Off-topic] Blowfish64:
Of course you can compare. That's what you HAVE to do when you decide whether you want to get one or the other, unless of course you have tons of cash lying around and want to get both. All this apples to oranges thing is just trying to avoid the issue.

Personally, I find the new iPhone rather tempting, but then again I haven't tried it out yet. The biggest plus for me is the screen. I'm tired of Windows Mobile devices' lame, itsy-bitsy teenie-weenie screens. But I do like the customizability of WM. So I'll have to see.

It's a shame so many people are so close-minded and polarized. Anyone who likes the iPhone is an Apple fanboy or only wants the phone to look "cool". That's just ignorant. And what is up with not buying from a company just because they're too popular? I'm never buying from HTC again because they screwed us over with the lack of video drivers, not because I want to be "cooler". People can bash Apple all they like and in many instances it's deserved, but some people here are just as obnoxious about their HTC-fanboyism as Apple lovers are. Don't you think MAYBE someone might actually want an iPhone because they're tired of crashes, lockups, lagginess, conflicts, sucky battery life, being spit on by the manufacturer, etc. etc. etc.? and the things they sacrifice by switching might be worth it to them?
[Off-topic] robosiris:
To me, it's very subjective. I agree with you as well. I don't dislike the Iphone, nor am I a die hard HTC fan (due to the lack of support, etc). My next device is probably going to be the Nokia N96. One thing I praise about Apple for is the ton of support, updates, etc they provide. Plus, Apple definitely knows how to market their products.
[Off-topic] DeniaL:
As much as it pains me to say this, I think I am going to switch...once I see the exact options for the phone. $199 but what internal memory? 4gb, 8gb, 16gb??? They have a 32gb ipod touch right? So, depending on that I may do it. The three things I was waiting for the iPhone to have they now do. 3G, GPS, Exchange (activesync support) and SDK (3rd party apps). I'm not gonna jump the band waggon right away, but it's looking like it....kinda scary lol! Just to throw in some FYI as far as my decision. My girlfriend has an iPhone and everytime I use it I am AMAZED at how smooth and fast everything reacts. My tilt is hard to type on the keyboard quickly because the damn device is too slow. Never had that issue on her iPhone. Once TomTom or equivalent comes out, iPhone here I come!

Where'd you read about TomTom releasing an iPhone version?
[Off-topic] senko.jin:
If this is the case, how come pdadb.net says iPhone 3G uses Samsung	S5L8900.

I'm thinking of switching to iPhone since my Tilt starts to frustrate me.

All I need is an almost all-in-one device that I don't need to modify for almost three to six hours a day just to make it useful/convenient for me.

Once I see the full pricing structure and it's not a rip-off as seen lately, verify that Tomtom made a software for it's GPS and somebody make a finance software ala SPB Finance, I'm in. :o
[Off-topic] slovoflud:
well guys, you only discuss raw numbers. IMHO you have to look at the whole "experience" of using a phone. what you see when you switch it on, what buttons you press to get what you want, and how you press them. How is the information presented to you, how readible is it, how options are presented to you.

if you take Browsers, for example, I use Firefox, not IE, not because everytime i click on a link i think to myself "man, this is waaay safer than IE". no. it's because it's much more pleasurable to use Firefox in my opinion.

Things like GPS, 3G, AD2P are very specific. not everybody use them, not everyone needs them. (i, for one, use neither of those features except GPS sometimes, mainly for fun)

I'm not for WM nor Apple. I really wish Android gets ported soon. But don't just say iPhone is crap, because it hasn't got everything Kaiser has. It beats Kaiser (or any other WM phone for that matter) hands down, when it comes to "user Experiense"
[Off-topic] Tupac_Shakur:
Mod Edit: I'll not officially warn you this time due to your frustration but cool the language please!
[Off-topic] Kraize:
Language please....go with some other company lol. No other company will be better than HTC in the field of PPC. At least not for another year or so. Crappy devices? Who's fault was it to buy the first Diamond? Just like those stupid iPhone customers that bought the first ones and complained and complained about how buggy and horrible it was. I mean did you SERIOUSLY expect the HTC Diamond to be perfect? All devices released first time have bugs. Even the iPhone 2 will be buggy when released and people will complain and complain even though it's THEIR fault for buying it >.> but yeah. To each his own.
[Off-topic] l3v5y:
This is an HTC "Fanboy" site, so I doubt many people will agree with you...

And, the iPhones I've used crash far more than my Prophet, break, and are kinda crap all round... Also, don't you think the completely closed development for the iPhone, and Apples attempts to lock down jail broken devices is a bit like being "spat on by the manufacturer"?

Also, Apple have a single device, so they can devote all there time and money with that device, hence why it may have fewer issues, but, HTC have a variety of devices, for different consumer markets, and the latest devices (Diamond, Raphael etc) all have drivers.
[Off-topic] amik5:
Changing to Iphone? no way!!!!!

The Iphone is cheaper though, but it has no GPS, no camera, and no turbo accelerated 3G. The software on the Iphone is also much less flexible, I would really like to see softwares like emulators and windows mobile work on the phone. I bought the phone, but I was unable to get neither of it.

The preformance on the HTC Kaiser has by the way increased a lot thanks many developers on this forum. Most of the stuttering and lagg that originally existed on my phone is now gone.
[Off-topic] amik5:
Actually, when it comes to camera, the Kaiser takes much better pictures. And internet works many times faster, plus that the Iphone doesn't have GPS. The Iphone developers were talking about having gps for their phone, but it lacks too much hardware and software in order to make it possible (see http://www.gpsreview.net/apple-iphone-gps/). Though whats acutally true is that the 32 gb version is coming.
[Off-topic] teammee:
I think that you misunderstood the statement... in term of buying a similar product of course you have to compare it... but the way you make a comparison is different.. I mean, if you decide whether you want to buy Kaiser or Eten M800, you should make a comparison of the spec... because both can do the same thing...

but Iphone is different... for example, if you need a device that can do some office things like doing some works in office application, or using push mail, IPhone is not an option... but if you only use it as a multimedia phone, maybe it is the right choice for you...

you got what i mean?

maybe you are not like that... but IMHO as a general it is like that... IPhone equal with a lifestyle... just like IPod...

and really... IPhone has a better image for most of the people... maybe because of the have a brilliant marketing team... and indeed Steve Jobs is brilliant...

it is again, back to your choice... for some people here, they don't use their phone only as a phone... but also as a toys to play, to customized, or even to brick... ;)...

buying IPhone is the same like buying a symbian product... means very small customization available...

also about battery life... this is one issue.. no matter how good the battery in IPhone.. if it is not good anymore you have to send it to them.. and you will end up having no phone during the process...

anyway... I don't say that IPhone is not good... but it just not suitable for my needs... moreover, I am not against Apple... I love apple macbook... infact I'm typing this using my macbookpro...