yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] wolfpackfan:
Well I currently own an iPhone as well as a Moto Q BUT am seriously thinking about getting the Diamond or Raphael as my next phone. Apple is like Big Brother and basically you don't do anything or have anything on your iPhone that they don't want you to do or have (unless you hack it, which I don't choose to do). I love my Moto Q and it has many features on it that I don't have on my iPhone (like - notes sync with Outlook, editing Word and Excel documents, a good eBook reader in iSilo, plus many other 3rd party software products that I've come to depend upon). Sure 3rd party apps are coming to the iPhone but only those that Apple gives their blessing on and even then you only get them thru Apple. Once again Big Brother. Now the fanboys on all the Apple sites will say this is a good thing as it makes the platform more stable. But I don't know that I've really ever had any problems with any of the WM based phones I've had as far as stability and 3rd party apps.

Finally, as far as my Moto Q and one thing I really do like alot more than on my iPhone is the one handed operation. I don't know how good the Diamond will be as far as one handed operation but that is one feature I really like. Anyway this is just someone's opinion who has owned and uses both an iPhone and WM based smartphones.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] KOTULCN:
does the Diamond have the new 3g like the new iphone for the U.S. market. I currently have the Touch Dual and love it, its just that I only get EDGE data, not the faster. That is what is so appealing about the new iphone to me. can someone clarify for me?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] imranbashir_uk:
yes it does...
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Dark Fire:
lol

In my experience, everyone talks about the iPhone and uses it as an example, but not many people actually want one. I could argue about the worldwide style item of 2007 thing, but meh. It's mid-2008, Rory. Whatever your opinions on the Touch Diamond, you must admit that the iPhone design is getting old. TBH, I don't think it was a particularly inspirational design in the first place. Its large multi-touch touchscreen and a fast UI was basically what made it sell - not the actual design of the phone.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Spawn12:
As far as i heard/read on here that the Diamond is missing some bands for the American 3G system...obviously if you want a Diamond i would say wait for the American version which will have those missing bands on them, this it was the 850mhz band that was missing. Im sure someone on here said that the 3G on their Diamond, which wasnt an American version was a bit hit and miss...in fact they were only getting Edge rather than 3G.

Whereas the new iphone has all the bands for 3G so would work on the American 3G network.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Spawn12:
Wow what an utter knob you are:rolleyes:...ffs take a chill pill pal or step away from the keyboard and get some fresh air. Its people like you that ruin it for everyone else and for the love of god ffs use proper english, i hate seeing posts with text speak.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] keirmeister:
I came to this thread to get a little user perspective on the HTC Diamond. Ever since I first saw it announced, I got *moist*. But no device is perfect for everyone.

I saw the first iPhone as a rip. It's gorgeous, yes, but can't do anything substantial. I currently have a TyTN, which I have adored like no other. In fact, I don't think I've kept a phone longer than I have with this one. But the TyTN has a major shortcoming for me: QVGA.

So I saw the original iPhone. EDGE?!?! I'll wait.

But now we have a 3G iPhone. Much better! I also have a 32GB iPod Touch. I have experienced its Safari interface, and I really love it (way more than the 800x480 Opera browsing on my Archos 605 Wifi). So the thought of "upgrading" to a 3G iPhone was at first tempting.

BUT...

No A2DP

No Tethering

No Cut-and-paste

Apple will control all software

Stricter anti-hacking measures

No extensive codec support

Flash support barely exists

And although a GPS is now included and TomTom has a beta, there is mumbling that Apple's developer's contract may have some snags in this regard (Gizmodo: iPhone SDK Agreement Prohibits "Real-Time Route Guidance"...).

My TyTN can stream regular radio stations (I love KPHX). I use TomTom 6. I can use the phone as a wifi access point or use Bluetooth internet sharing. I can watch XviD movies. I mean really...the iPhone still lags far behind in usefulness - despite its bloody gorgeous interface. And all this is because of the Windows Mobile OS and the openness of development for it.

I indeed hope Apple pushes Microsoft to pay more attention to its interface experience, but we have shells to help out until then.

So, I think I'll go for the HTC Diamond. $800 is alot, but so was my TyTN. Besides, I'm sure I can still get a few hundred $$$ for it to offset the cost.

But in the end, I think the best thing the HTC Diamond has over the iPhone is XDA-Developers. This site has made my TyTN withstand time in usefulness, and just thinking about the wonderful development that is and will take place makes it a no-brainer. Tweaks, hacks, customizable ROMs...tell me how in the world could the iPhone compare?

- Keirmeister
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] efjay:
What "new" 3G is the iphone supposed to have? Is this another one of apple's hyped features that have actually been available on other devices but apple is trying to take credit for? Really sad, people cant think for themselves anymore and just lap up any bull that apple dishes out and treat it as the definitive word, the world is full of isheep...
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] l3v5y:
It's exactly that! It's not even the top speed HSDPA (it's 3.6mbps instead of the 7.2 in the kaiser...)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] rorydaredkign:
Its the design that made it sell. If it wasn't, then why are there so many new phones based on the same form-factor?

And you can argue that it wasn't the style item of 2007... But I doubt many people will agree with you... And you'll ask for proof and some other random bull****, but style is judged by the masses, and the iPhone is widely regarded as the style item of 2007. And saying its now 2008? well telll me one worldwide style item that has come out on 2008? Not a single one has, so the iPhone will just regenerate and become the icon of 08 aswell as 07.

Rory
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] l3v5y:
The form factor isn't exactly "unique", it's a thin device with a screen... So inventive!

The main difference between the iPhone and the competition is Apple have a ludicrous amount of advertising where most companies don't...
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] wolfpackfan:
In comparing browsing on my Moto Q with Opera Mini and Safari on my iPhone, I find many times I actually prefer Opera Mini. This is especially true for websites like message boards, where you are constantly zooming in and out on items and clicking on links. It is so easy with Opera Mini just to move the little box and and the button but with Safari you have to zoom in to the button area and then use your finger to try to hit is square on. I can browse message boards much faster on my Q than on my iPhone. Now if my Q had the sharper screen that the iPhone has there would be no comparison at all and that is what I'm hoping the Diamond will bring.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] l3v5y:
That is if Opera Mini runs in VGA (I think it should do, but may not)... I agree with the Opera Mini being good, but if you want to handle the same sites as Safari in the same way, nothing beats Opera Mobile (even in the 9.5 beta versions).
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] demonizator:
Absolutely agree with that.

The other thing is that the iPhone even with its somehow limited functions and usability is smooth working right out of the box. While HTC buyers count on this comunity to make their devices work properly. Which can be repelling for lots of users, including me.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Dark Fire:
We've seen many times that you effectively live on a different planet to me - I don't know many people who thought the design of the iPhone was something special. Form-factor is the size and shape of something, and all of the similar devices I've seen don't feature screens quite as the iPhone's screen. Also, I don't think I've seen any devices which are as curvy as the iPhone - even HTC have started going more angular (compare the Touch to the Touch Diamond). Neither have I seen devices with so few buttons. Design is clearly the easiest part of a device to copy (because how the design works can't be hidden from others, unlike, for example, how software works), so it would have been copied/immitated if it was particularly stylish.

And your comments about 2008 are rubbish. We're only halfway through 2008, so the worldwide style item may still be emerging or may not even have been released yet. After all, it's only now that we can fairly talk about 2007.

Exactly my point - the design is far too generic to be considered stylish. Style is a lack of genericity. This is a definition that Rory always seems to have a problem with (he says that I kill the word 'stylish' when I apply it to unusual stuff).

And that bit about advertising is so true. If HTC could advertise properly, things like the Touch Diamond would easily outsell the iPhone. Admittedly, they are getting better (I liked the Touch Diamond and Touch Family videos), but I felt so sorry for whoever came up with the advertising for the Touch: "Remember your first touch?" :confused: How on Earth is that meant to sell anything?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] rorydaredkign:
I agree that the iPhone was so successful because of Apple's amazing advertising, but to say it wasn't the style item of 2007 is just ludicrous, and shows how stylish the people you know are.

Anyway, style does not mean something that isnt't generic, because if it did, it would mean that a green **** was stylish, which it blatently isn't.

I do however agree that it is too early to talk about the most stylish item of 08, but surely you can agree that the iPhone will be a great contender because of apple's advertising.

Rory
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Dark Fire:
Green stuff could be a style. Stylish is a different word, which means 'being or in accordance with current social fashions'. For example, if you always wore a Womble suit, you could be said to have a style (Womble style, perhaps?), but you would not be stylish. I would agree that the iPhone is stylish, because touchphones are rapidly increasing in popularity. However, that does not mean that the iPhone has a distinctive style. The iPhone would be a contender for the most stylish item of 2007 but not the worldwide style item of 2007. And that's simply because Apple know how to make something look stylish through advertising and have enough money to advertise a lot.

Also, as a consequence, you can't say anything about the stylishness of the people that I know.

And I don't think the iPhone will be stylish this year. Things go out of fashion fairly quickly, and the iPhone hasn't changed much since last year.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] ayoo456:
2 question...

1. does anyone know if the gaming graphics will look as good as the iphone?

2. will the new apps that devs make for the diamond kinda follow the tf3d theme? (graphic wise and jus not lookin like windows apps)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] imranbashir_uk:
I think the word you lot are looking for is not stylish but iconic. Style is very personal, what one person likes another might hate.

But if you look at iconicism, then the iPhone is instantly recognisable, just as the iPod before it was.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Rudegar:
1.) well havent kept up with the new iphone games

but

quake3 and warcraft2 (vga version)

have been available for free for a long time for wm devices
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] l3v5y:
Problem is, my point was against apple... They use the marketing whereas HTC have features :D

I know of many users of HTC (and other WM devices) who have never heard of here, or other sites yet are perfectly happy. This community is still a minority of PPC users (I think, but if someone has some stats to prove me wrong, go ahead :D)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] imranbashir_uk:
LOL

http://gizmodo.com/5015395/apple-introduces-iphone-3g-videoconferencing-kit-zomg
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] BrotherNov:
Will the 3g iphone wirelessly connect to my company's exchange server and synchronizie my mail, calendar, and contacts. does it do it as elegantly, are there any significant differences?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] cornelius:
iPhone

Hello all...

I'm bit of Apple fans when talk about notebook or PC, because of their simplicity, when bought it u just need to plug a power chord etc then it will start... I’m not a programmer nor IT person so don't need much SW, then apple fit's my need..I can easily make photo animation for my family holiday, or make movie and DVD from my holiday video quite easy and with great result... may be it can say: if i want to get same result in win i need much more effort with expensive ware. Page and number is great for me, and keynote )I used use PPT) i think it's have better animation and I’m always receive an applause after have presentation in hospital where i work at. Above all iwork much cheaper and fit for my pocket!!! than expensive office 2008.. the price can make me fasting for couple of month. And never afraid receive any file from my friend for viruses..

But in PDA i have different opinion, the reason is:

1. In my country iphone we can only buy iphone from black market and no warranty

2. I want to buy a "SMART" phone not phone act smart, (I mean i can choose and install any software i want)

3. I use some program from skyscape, especially cardiology (available only on WinMo)

4. I'm not a child who playing around with UI, but i use that phone

5. I like "Give the best", but apple didn't give the best for their phone (you can say WinMo is old OS, but they try to give the best, more pixel camera, video call wich i use that feature a lot)- some times i need to take pict for my patient but i can't bring my sony digicam all the way.

6. I spend almost a day in hospital, so i need to bring my spare battery (I can use the other while i charge the second one)

So which one is the best? I think depend on your need, it's personal taste, and honesty there’s so much to do for iphone if they want to boost sale. Your phone is left behind

it's just my opinion
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] shure2:
i played with the htc touch diamond yesterday with the 1.37 rom update.

having reseached the 2 and am still somewhat undecided, but i have come to a simple conclusion.

I have yet to use an iphone, i have used the ipod touch extensively tho, and i believe it to be near seemless when it comes to fluidity of controls and UI.

The touch diamond (however much improved with the latest rom) is about 70% behind the iphone in terms of what i have talked about above. Yet it does have great features and freedom, and in my honest opinion shows the most potential.

If xda developers or htc can keep creating great updates then it is only ever going to get better in terms of competitiveness against the iphone and greater business suitability.

But at the end of the day, the first time i saw a person using the iphone for phone calls, i thought what on earth are they holding that to their face for?

The iphone is just too big to be classed as a modern day phone in my opinion, and there is just no need for it. HTC have proved that with a great design coupled with a crisp screen, you dont need to hold a plate to your head to speak to someone, whilst getting weird looks from people.

The iphone has tried to be too much, but has seriously crippled itself by being just an apple product, and for a relitavely new product compared to WinMobs, they really need to open ther horizons to developers so that they can catch WinMo on the functionality side.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] R3PUBL1K:
I don't want to start another PC/MAC war (if ya like) but I disagree with the several years later comment. :p

M$ and Apple make use of each others innovations.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] R3PUBL1K:
Microsoft Helps Connect Apple iPhone Users to Microsoft’s Exchange Server article
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] schauol1:
Why compare? Because of the Touch-Screen? That's about everything they have in common.

Different Phones for different people imho.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] KOTULCN:
just so I am clear, the 3G iphone will be able to use 3G in America and Europe or no, that is the desiding factor for me. I have a EUR Nike right now and was thinging of picking up a NAM 3G iphone, but if it wont be compatible with 3G in Europe I dont thing I will as I will be back there sometime in the future!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Huey85:
I'm a Touch Diamond user coming from an original iPhone gen1 and I can say I'm quite pleased with the Diamond. The touch UI did take a bit of tweaking and getting used to, to be more 'thumb friendly' but I'm getting the hang of it now. The keyboard, I can safely say is way better in the iPhone (larger and proximity sensor) but typing isn't too bad with the full QWERTY on the Touch Diamond. Functionality and feature wise, the Touch Diamond has more to offer at the moment and I can't live without being able to multitask, which I couldn't seem to do with the iPhone (i.e. can't minimise an app). It is also so much smaller and lighter and feels much better in the hand than the iPhone. I'm slightly disappointed with the storage/no expansion slot as I had a 16GB iPhone so looks like i'm going to be buying a seperate multimedia player. All in all, as stated by others before - both are aimed at different users and appeal to different people, but IMHO they are both great devices; all comes down to what your real needs are.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] gazzrenn:
On top of that, my N95 has had AGPS for months and months now.... :)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] colonel:
The thing to understand about WM devices is that the implementation is mostly up to the dev. manufacturer. For example, Samsung WM devices are rock solid on firmware version 1. HTC devices are usually solid after the second firmware update, but many out of the stable door are fine (e.g. the s710).

You are right about the comparison. I had an iPhone for a few months and think its very good. However its a walled garden, much like a nintendo or xbox. WM is much more tweakable and has a catalogue of software to rival only windows itself, including amazing freeware. The restrictions of the Apple device are just claustraphobic - and I would debate whether its a smart-phone at all. For example, I run yahoo2go, opera and loads of games on my s40 nokia 6500 classic. Can't see what iphone adds to the mix except status and better screen.

Its funny how people acccuse MS of bloat when WM is pretty efficient. I recently bought a Zune 80gb on import and was amazed at how good the Zune software is. Very lightweight, very simple to set up. Compared to the bloated, sluggish and confusing mess of iTunes it was a breath of fresh air!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] matthewroberts:
IPHONE is to MAC as

WINDOWS MOBILE is to PC

If you want a mobile mac - buy a iPhone

If you want a mobile PC - buy a HTC Diamond or below

iPhone is for ppl who can't read manuals and want a play-toy.

WM is for ppl who CAN read manuals and can install their own 3rd party apps (+thousands to chose from).
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] l3v5y:
I disagree... I've never read my Prophets manual, and it was the first PPC I got. The iPhone doesn't need an instruction manual as there is so little to do. :p
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] KOTULCN:
does anyone know if the NAM 3G iphone will be able to use the 3G system in europe?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] NeoDMD:
Say What?!

Just Works?!?! How about my 1 Gen iPhone crashing from wake. or if you listen to too much music it crashes. load too many apps, crashes. Talk on the phone, crashed, you cannot return without a softreset.

Mic makes you sound scratchy. Tested on 4 iPhones that I had to try to fix, repair from unrecoverable crashes.

if you water down any OS it will be fluid, fast, "smooth". The fact of the matter is iPhone waters down the OS, WM does more than one thing at a time or more than one animation at a time.

WM OS is so old, but also so much more advanced. Lets see an iPhone act as a wireless access bridge? Or how about transferring files over Wifi via ad hoc instead of having to sync with iTunes to do anything. Can you even share files between phones? Nope.

If you load the sms tool, it only allowed sms to 1 person at a time, no forwarding allowed? What was that all about. So that didn't work. it just doesn't work. When you want to do something on the iPhone you always find yourself telling yourself that you have to "wait till I get home" to complete any task you were trying to do on the iPhone.

Take out MMS, Take out Forwarding SMS, Take out Video Recording, Take out more complex menus and flexibility and limit the user to one screen one option at a time and there you have your watered down OS. If you watered down WM that much, I bet you would see "fluid, smooth, speed" all of the smoke and mirrors that is iPhone.

Real world test, you can't run IM in the background, Download from megaupload or other sites, unzip files on the phone, compress your own files, compose your own mp3s, encode videos, create your own ringtones WITHOUT BEING AT YOUR COMPUTER FIRST on the iPhone.

I have had it up to my ears and am seriously considering creating the series of videos titled "iPhone Challenge" to see if 3rd party developers can turn iPhone into a true powerhouse with flexibility and MULTITASKABILITY. iPhone is very much so overhyped only because it mimics poorly what WM can do with extreme flexibility.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Sergio PC:
Most of them would be completely lost

anywhere outside of that tightly controlled

Apple universe.:p
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] phankhi:
NEODMD, well done, you have summed up my thoughts very well!

in the end its just a phone, the 3G iphone was released in Australia yesterday and there were so much hype! Apple markets it products well and people just get caught up with the hype! I am getting an iPhone so i can sell it to make money!!!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Sergio PC:
Please STOP posting here! Dont make the "iphone" :mad: an important topic in such a fine Forum.

Dont pollute the forum. We are avoiding media insanittyyy.

Last thread PLEASE