yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[ZTE nubia Red Magic Guides, News, & Discussion] methuselah:
You just flahsed it and it worked?
[ZTE nubia Red Magic Guides, News, & Discussion] dinhtu1993:
yes. Updated on rom stock china Android 9.0 platform
[ZTE nubia Red Magic Guides, News, & Discussion] gok189:
working citibanamex? what bugs
[Redmi K20 / Xiaomi Mi 9T Guides, News, & Discussio] rkview37:
if more people show interest in this mod then i will make one & publish in themes & apps thread

so what do you think guys

comment down below your opinion

(its only worth making one if u guys shows interest otherwise it makes no sense)
[Redmi K20 / Xiaomi Mi 9T Guides, News, & Discussio] mvha:
Im really interested in that mod. I Use Lineage os but for MIUI is good too see.
[Redmi K20 / Xiaomi Mi 9T Guides, News, & Discussio] JonasVFC:
yes please
[Redmi K20 / Xiaomi Mi 9T Guides, News, & Discussio] MamaSaidWhat?:
A dual speaker mod is the only thing I'm missing from my 9T. Would absolutely love to have one if you could make one. I'm using Lineage as well.
[Redmi K20 / Xiaomi Mi 9T Guides, News, & Discussio] evolez:
Make it please. Who doesnt want more sound :)
[Redmi K20 / Xiaomi Mi 9T Guides, News, & Discussio] OtrovX:
Ooo, I owe U a beer
[Redmi K20 / Xiaomi Mi 9T Guides, News, & Discussio] rkview37:
i will publish just one stable mod that will the final version ,no test build

all test version is tested by me on my device so it will take time

& please dont hit thanks button before i post stable mod in themes & app thread

i created this thread for opinion not thanks
[Redmi K20 / Xiaomi Mi 9T Guides, News, & Discussio] KamiKaonashi:
Ye, would be great ?
[Redmi K20 / Xiaomi Mi 9T Guides, News, & Discussio] hrissim:
Yes, I do!
[Redmi K20 / Xiaomi Mi 9T Guides, News, & Discussio] sergaypoke:
If it's a improvement I'm in ?
[Redmi K20 / Xiaomi Mi 9T Guides, News, & Discussio] Micdu70:
1 thanks = really interested for this mod. ^^

And I'm interested! :)
[Redmi K20 / Xiaomi Mi 9T Guides, News, & Discussio] guilhem_h:
I'm interrested too ;)
[Redmi K20 / Xiaomi Mi 9T Guides, News, & Discussio] kg3:
Yes please!
[Redmi K20 / Xiaomi Mi 9T Guides, News, & Discussio] raby:
It's pretty safe to assume that everyone would love a dual speaker mod for that phone no matter how weak the secondary speaker is :P
[Redmi K20 / Xiaomi Mi 9T Guides, News, & Discussio] maxbamford:
YES !!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[Redmi K20 / Xiaomi Mi 9T Guides, News, & Discussio] iaio72:
I'm interested too
[Redmi K20 / Xiaomi Mi 9T Guides, News, & Discussio] Major75:
interested too
[Redmi K20 / Xiaomi Mi 9T Guides, News, & Discussio] joggi34:
Dito
[Redmi K20 / Xiaomi Mi 9T Guides, News, & Discussio] Portakalimsi:
It's hard to wait...

(:
[Redmi K20 / Xiaomi Mi 9T Guides, News, & Discussio] sackgnom:
Kiss my anus
[Redmi K20 / Xiaomi Mi 9T Guides, News, & Discussio] Soulr3aver:
Yes, please :)
[Redmi K20 / Xiaomi Mi 9T Guides, News, & Discussio] rkview37:
sorry i tried too many times

but it dosen't makes noticeble difference in user experience ,u have to really put your phone to ear to listen earspeaker,then whats the point of using this

so i abort

take back your thank u
[Redmi K20 / Xiaomi Mi 9T Guides, News, & Discussio] Antyhaker:
Don't worry, it was obvious.

Wysłane z mojego Redmi K20 przy użyciu Tapatalka
[Redmi K20 / Xiaomi Mi 9T Guides, News, & Discussio] acervenky:
Make a new thread for dual-speaker mod, I'll help you with the optimization part!

Regards,

acervenky
[Redmi K20 / Xiaomi Mi 9T Guides, News, & Discussio] rkview37:
sir,

it will be lot better if u make one for k20, i will provide all files & test every test version
[Redmi K20 / Xiaomi Mi 9T Guides, News, & Discussio] daxay:
Yes sir I'm interested

Please , please, please
[Redmi K20 / Xiaomi Mi 9T Guides, News, & Discussio] xlinkprince:
I am in...?
[Redmi K20 / Xiaomi Mi 9T Guides, News, & Discussio] Murshad007:
Yes, Please.
[Redmi K20 / Xiaomi Mi 9T Guides, News, & Discussio] loqi:
Yes!!! Pls make it possible!!
[Redmi K20 / Xiaomi Mi 9T Guides, News, & Discussio] Reep1324:
What? The speaker is loud enough. I just want stereo sound in bed. I don't need it for making noise in the streets.

If you already have something working, then please allow us to test it.

Thx in advance.
[Redmi K20 / Xiaomi Mi 9T Guides, News, & Discussio] loqi:
Any news about this?
[Redmi K20 / Xiaomi Mi 9T Guides, News, & Discussio] acervenky:
Update : Ciaomeme Audio Mod

Check it out!

Regards,

acervenky
[Redmi K20 / Xiaomi Mi 9T Guides, News, & Discussio] KamiKaonashi:
Is this working with miui 11 android 10? Also do I need to uninstall viper4android first?
[Redmi K20 / Xiaomi Mi 9T Guides, News, & Discussio] TONYSSIMO1977:
Ciao

Bella idea, è l'unica cosa che manca in questo gioiellino
[Redmi K20 / Xiaomi Mi 9T Guides, News, & Discussio] JulyQV:
I'm interested, but I hope it will be compatible with AOSP Q roms
[Redmi K20 / Xiaomi Mi 9T Guides, News, & Discussio] loqi:
Anyone used this mod in mi9T? Can you share your feedback?
[Redmi K20 / Xiaomi Mi 9T Guides, News, & Discussio] Bhavya_d:
Yes please
[Redmi K20 / Xiaomi Mi 9T Guides, News, & Discussio] sosaaaa:
Absolutely yes sir
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] cheetah2k:
Been looking at the reviews of the ROG 2 phone the last few days. Looks like an absolute beast.

Obviously the cameras are no where near the level of the N10+, but that 120hz screen, 6000mah battery and 855+ has me suckered. :crying:
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] winol:
The idea crossed my mind, but, no, I like the note series so much... The S pen is unique!
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] teegunn:
Not even remotely. The Rog phone doesn't compare to what the Note 10+ brings to the table. You won't notice a bit of difference from the 855 to the 855+ I bet and the hz of the display just doesn't move the needle for me. We already have a huge battery, the ROG is a hog. No S Pen or many other things the Note phones offer. But if you get a ROG 2, please let us know if it was worth it.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] GallardosEggrollShop:
It's a great phone and tailored to a specific market "Gamers" and people who want the best specs on any smartphone. I was tempted as well but I personally use the S-Pen throughout my workday, not to mention, I feel that I would be laughed at if I brought the ROG 2 phone out during a meeting or an event. That being said, I feel that the Note10/+ has been around longer and is more refined due to this length of iteration. If you want a phone that has everything, minus a headphone jack lol, then I'd go for the Note10/+. If you want a high refresh screen with the craziest specs and will be using it to it's full capacity, go for the ROG 2 phone. Either way, I'm sure you'd be happy with your purchase and as other people have said, let us know what you think if you go with the ROG.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] elmor0:
Tempted - especially because of the high screen refresh rate & possibly the loudest stereo speakers to date on a phone.

Main turn-off for me is ease of Root & custom ROM support.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] NEERO:
Specifically purchased Note 10+ for the Spen.

Was previously on Asus Zenfone 5z with 8Gb RAM and 256 GB storage.

If productivity is your priority then there is no other option then Note 10+ atleast as of now.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] gottahavit:
lookrd at it, but honestly was more tempted by one 7 pro.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] elmor0:
That too.... but OP7T Pro around the corner.....
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] gottahavit:
Always something new around the corner.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] CheeseWizard:
I think it's pretty interesting from a specs perspective but I really hate the "gamer" product design.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] Kalm_Traveler:
Not at all. Mobile gaming seems like a joke to me, and the Note series continues to deliver exactly what I'm after in a smartphone so I'm very satisfied with this new 10+ 5g
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] torickray:
I like how light the note 10 plus is. Holding it to match video is easier.
[ASUS ROG Phone II Guides, News, & Discussion] cheetah2k:
Has anyone come from the Note 10+ to the ROG 2?

Interested to hear any thoughts and any positive / negatives for those who have had both phones...

I've really been tempted by that massive 6000mah battery, as well as the 120hz screen :confused:
[ASUS ROG Phone II Guides, News, & Discussion] willhemmens:
Not a Note 10 but I've had a Note 9 for a year and I'm going to the ROG phone II, if I had a Note 10 though, I think I'd stick with it, I just could stomach the cost even with a Note 9 to trade in.

The Note's just do everything well (But not amazingly) in my opinion, are feature packed, fairly well supported by Samsung if you have issues and have very good cameras. Quite a few of those things you'll lose with the ROG Phone II.
[ASUS ROG Phone II Guides, News, & Discussion] Swarai:
Interested to hear any thoughts and any positive / negatives for those who have had both phones...

I've really been tempted by that massive 6000mah battery, as well as the 120hz screen :confused:[/QUOTE]

I've owned 9 Samsungs for the past years the last 2 Note 9 and Galaxy S10+.

Software: What's positive about Sammy but negative about ROG is the customization ie themes, wallpaper, fonts, app store etc. Positive for ROG but negative for Sammy is game genie, touch response and 120hz refresh rate

Hardware: Positive for Sammy but negative for ROG - the stylus, top of the class cameras, screen, waterproofing, SD CARD, etc. Wireless charging, no headphone jack etc. Positive for ROG but negative for Sammy - battery, SoC, shoulder triggers for gamers, headphone jack, stereo speakers, various gaming accessories, fan, and battery
[ASUS ROG Phone II Guides, News, & Discussion] xxBrun0xx:
I've owned 9 Samsungs for the past years the last 2 Note 9 and Galaxy S10+.

Software: What's positive about Sammy but negative about ROG is the customization ie themes, wallpaper, fonts, app store etc. Positive for ROG but negative for Sammy is game genie, touch response and 120hz refresh rate

Hardware: Positive for Sammy but negative for ROG - the stylus, top of the class cameras, screen, waterproofing, SD CARD, etc. Wireless charging, no headphone jack etc. Positive for ROG but negative for Sammy - battery, SoC, shoulder triggers for gamers, headphone jack, stereo speakers, various gaming accessories, fan, and battery[/QUOTE]

I haven't own a Samsung in years, but I've had most of the recent Oneplus and pixel phones and have to say, that 120hz screen and 6Ah battery are the real deal. I'm getting 3 days off the charger with no power saving efforts and everything is so buttery smooth. The fact that it was cheaper than a OnePlus 7 pro was icing on the cake
[ASUS ROG Phone II Guides, News, & Discussion] hashcheck:
i have had all the Note until the 9. i will never go back to samsung now ROG 1 & 2 have been solid and i have a surface so don't need spen. If your looking for a fluid phone don't spend 2000 on a 60hz phone get a rog 2
[ASUS ROG Phone II Guides, News, & Discussion] Alessandro999:
I haven't own a Samsung in years, but I've had most of the recent Oneplus and pixel phones and have to say, that 120hz screen and 6Ah battery are the real deal. I'm getting 3 days off the charger with no power saving efforts and everything is so buttery smooth. The fact that it was cheaper than a OnePlus 7 pro was icing on the cake[/QUOTE]

did u use global or cn rom?
[ASUS ROG Phone II Guides, News, & Discussion] xxBrun0xx:
did u use global or cn rom?[/QUOTE]

Global
[ASUS ROG Phone II Guides, News, & Discussion] cheetah2k:
Thanks for your help guys! Got my 12/512gb WW (north american version) on Tuesday and absolutely wrapped with it!! Fcking fantastic! Probably my only gripe is the lack of screen protector out of the box (no VoLTE doesnt worry me either) - so happy with it! Now selling the Note10+ :D
[ASUS ROG Phone II Guides, News, & Discussion] Psych0t1c20:
I know how you feel. Ditched my s10+ for this lovely device. Never going back.
[ASUS ROG Phone II Guides, News, & Discussion] jkeener88:
I almost got a Note 9, but went with the ROG PHone 2, just way too much bang for the buck!!
[ASUS ROG Phone II Guides, News, & Discussion] WhyKlwd:
I've had both. I have a Note 8, purchased the Note 10 +, I was trying to wrap my mind around it because to be quite frank, the screen of my Note 8 just was replaced fully paid by insurance because it had burn-in. Quite frankly, it's one thing to compare a Note 8 with nearly 2 years of screen usage versus one with a brand new new screen and a Note 10 Plus, it just wasn't enough of a difference to justify the 1700CAD that the phone cost me. It all came down to a 1700CAD flex, something I was not looking to do. I wanted a better phone.

Don't get me wrong, the screen was superior but ever so slightly. And, I don't take photos, it's not why I have a phone. Gaming and browsing is mainly why I have a phone, there was literally ZERO incentive for me to keep the Note 10 + vs the Note 8. So thankfully, I found out the RoG 2 was not only available for purchase in China, but it was half the price... I returned the Note 10 + and purchased the RoG Phone 2.

Man am I glad I did. The screen is honestly about as beautiful as Samsung's. The only thing Samsung's have over the RoG is that colors are slightly more vibrant. If you've ever compared a flagship Apple phone to a Note or S series from Samsung, imagine the color vibrancy to be somewhere in the middle so it's quite acceptable. As far as crispness, because the pixels move so faster, it honestly looks more crisp, and that is without taking into account the Anti-Aliasing toggle option in Armory for gaming. No matter what you do on your phone there is one thing that you will NEVER escape from and it is looking at it, so I gambled on that one factor that rules over any other phone and I assure you, at least from my standpoint, I don't ever see a reason to go back. The CPU/GPU are so overkill in these devices and contrary to what the market was 5-6 years ago, devs now make sure to support as many devices as possible (which makes sense) so I'd expect the chips to be seriously viable for the next 3-4 years easy. That's not to say I'll wait that long to change, most likely not but yeah, this phone is absolute overkill when it comes to it's power.

And so many features that makes this phone a killer option, Air Triggers, side USB-C, FM radio, Glove mode (which nearly turns the screen resistive), easy macro'ing in games (killer feature if gaming), etc....

I'll say one last thing, after 5 different Galaxy phones back-to-back, I miss OneUI because I was so used to it but with all the customizability that Android offers, it's a no brainer that there is a workaround for nearly everything other than the S-Pen, a very little sacrifice vs. all the benefits.
[Redmi K20 Pro / Xiaomi Mi 9T Pro Questions & Answe] aashiq10:
Guys i bought flydigi wasp 2 few days and i was able to connect it with Bluetooth but unable to connect the key mapping with Havoc OS on my redmi k20 pro but when i connect with my other device like Huawei and Sony devices I am able to connect and use key mapping.

Second i thought it would be a firmware issue so i updated the firmware of wasp 2 as well but still no luck with key mapping.

I have developer settings enable and USB debugging connected but still no luck. I am getting the message that says to allow from this source and i have selected yes but still no luck.

Any other information might be helpful for me. Thanks
[Redmi K20 Pro / Xiaomi Mi 9T Pro Questions & Answe] dostname:
Hi

Did you solve the problem?

I wanna buy this product and im not sure because of you.
[Redmi K20 Pro / Xiaomi Mi 9T Pro Questions & Answe] aashiq10:
It gets connected automatically in evolution os android 10 but for other custom roms idk the answer and currently I am using redmi k20 pro with evolution os

Hope this helps you
[Redmi K20 Pro / Xiaomi Mi 9T Pro Questions & Answe] xNovaLeader:
hello xda..i just bought a new 27wat charger brick..i dontknow iff this charger legit 27wat xiaomi charger or not..is there any way i can check it real or not?i buy it from shopee..is there any way i can check it on apps or anything?sorry bad english..https://m.imgur.com/a/KeUVI6R
[Redmi K20 Pro / Xiaomi Mi 9T Pro Questions & Answe] Major75:
27 watt charger says charge turbo when it's plugged in.
[Redmi K20 Pro / Xiaomi Mi 9T Pro Questions & Answe] Deleted member 5408779:
Check it with this app. It should be about 4600mA if it's original.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gombosdev.ampere

I took some screenshot with stock charger and 27W charger.
[Redmi K20 Pro / Xiaomi Mi 9T Pro Questions & Answe] Deleted member 5408779:
You could also check this video.

https://youtu.be/xx-P6BxZzkU
[Redmi K20 Pro / Xiaomi Mi 9T Pro Questions & Answe] xNovaLeader:
thanks for the answers..seems like my charger is original xiaomi 27wat..
[Redmi K20 Pro / Xiaomi Mi 9T Pro Questions & Answe] Grimm-reaper:
It's almost 5A. Does it with on passive usb cable?
[Samsung Galaxy S10+ Questions & Answers] flickflick:
Hi everybody,

I am living in Turkey.

I bought new sm-g975f dual sim from turkish local seller which is bought from sweden comviq.

When i open the phone with my turkish simcard, it said "pin to unlock sim region lock". I contacted samsung, they asked receipt from the sweden comviq, but seller couldnt find and didnt want to help bc he was busy.

I dont have european sim card for making 10 mins calls to unlock it

and i dont have plan to go nearest future to europe for making call to unlock

and i cant reach the receipt

what to do? anybody knows?

thanks
[Samsung Galaxy S10+ Questions & Answers] KuraKira37:
Hello !

After doing some research about that region lock, it seems that there's no bypass of the 5 minutes call, some believe it is a hardware based security measure. Here's a thread discussing the same issue on Note 9.

It seems though like the OP managed to find a solution through a paid service on a webite, but I don't know the level of legitimacy of these businesses.
[Xiaomi Redmi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] ayandebnath:
Deleted..
[Xiaomi Redmi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] Rs212029:
Group members always with you...?

#Raja singh
[Xiaomi Redmi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] ayandebnath:
MIUI 10 Pie Port ROM for Redmi 5 Rosy

Ported from Bikram's GSI, Built With ErfanGSI Tool​

(I'm not responsible for anything, Flash at your own risk)

Informations:

Android: 9

MIUI: 10.3.15 Stable

Status: Stable

Bugs:

No Double tap to wake

No Reading mode

Notification LED

No mi sound enhancer

Mi account login

Working:

Ril

WiFi

Bluetooth

Data

VoLTE

Hotspot

Speakers

Brightness slider

SMS

Call

etc

Instructions:

(Before flashing this ROM, Sign out from your mi account)

1) Wipe: cache, dalvik, system, data, vendor

2) Flash ROM *(if your recovery hangs and screen goes black, simply force reboot to recover using hardware keys, flash the ROM again without any wipe, Reboot system).

2) After boot into home screen, change the Theme

3) Goto settings>additional settings>Accessibly> turn off "switch to speaker automatically" option

Done ;)

4) To fix hotspot, goto settings>Portable Hotspot>Setup Portable Hotspot> Set device identification to default, press tick.

Download: MIUI10-10.3.15-Pie-20190919-Rosy-Unofficial.zip [1.3GB]

Thanks to: Erfanoabdi, Bikram M

Enjoy :fingers-crossed:

XDA:DevDB Information

MIUI10 Pie Port for Redmi 5, ROM for the Xiaomi Redmi 5

Contributors

ayandebnath

Source Code: https://sourceforge.net/projects/bikram-project/files/Pie/Gsi-P/Miui-Gsi/xiaomi.eu_HMK20MI9T_V10.3.15.0.PFJCNXM_v10-Pie-Aonly-GSI.img.7z/download

Kernel source: https://github.com/Sukrut4778/kernel_xiaomi_rosy

ROM OS Version: 9.x Pie

ROM Kernel: Linux 3.x

ROM Firmware Required: Oreo

Based On: MIUI

Version Information

Status: Stable

Created 2019-09-19

Last Updated 2019-09-19
[Xiaomi Redmi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] Ak161:
Thanks man as always ?
[Xiaomi Redmi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] MiguelGuias:
Rom Pie Miui 10

Hello, how have I tried the rom miui 10 pie the problem does not come out neither the camera nor the music if the rom is stable if it does not have the camera or the music
[Xiaomi Redmi 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other ] ayandebnath:
Welcome;)
[Asus Zenfone Max M2 Questions & Answers] adam krishadi:
i got 20% battery drain while playing auto chess in 1 hour, is that normal?
[Asus Zenfone Max M2 Questions & Answers] frustratedgeek:
There are certain Chess apps that drain so much battery, try switching to another chess app
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[Samsung Galaxy S9  Questions & Answers] rgpan88:
Hello, I have a big problem because the September update S9 plus .When you start the phone and enter the security code the padlock turns, the phone hangs, you can do nothing and do so several times you need to enter this code and only after some time it starts to run Does any of you also have such a problem Ok What solution was the settings restored the factory Odin software has been loaded from scratch and it has not worked.
[Samsung Galaxy S9  Questions & Answers] Youdoofus:
when you flash the firmware in Odin, are you flashing "CSC" or "HOME_CSC"?
[Samsung Galaxy S9  Questions & Answers] rgpan88:
CSC

Wysłane z mojego SM-G965F przy użyciu Tapatalka
[Samsung Galaxy S9  Questions & Answers] rgpan88:
HOME CSC BOOTLOOP

Wysłane z mojego SM-G965F przy użyciu Tapatalka
[Samsung Galaxy S9  Questions & Answers] rgpan88:
This is strange. Samsung actualize time zone automatic, my phone work now is ok.

Wysłane z mojego SM-G965F przy użyciu Tapatalka
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[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] stevep:
Hi Folks. Just getting my head round the features of the new Note 10+. Wow! What a beast! Just one query at this stage: Edge Lighting...

I have the feature switched on. Have it set to 'all apps' but when a notification comes in, there's err no edge lighting at all - I still get the notification from the app that's sent the message in the status bar (isn't edge lighting supposed to replace that?). At this early stage, there's a chance it's 'user error' and I'm missing something obvious. Anyone put me straight.

Cheers
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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jamesjsenecal:
My new company is forcing me to go to a Blackberry, so I'm selling my TyTN II. It comes with a 6GB & 1GB MicroSD, TomTom Navigator 6 (full boxed software), USB desktop cradle, all the original accesories and box.

It is in perfect condition with NO scratches at all. It is unlocked, has HardSPL, and it is currently running the UDK Vega v2 ROM with MSVoice Command and a slew of other apps.

Please PM me if you are interested we can discuss a reasonable price.

Thanks in advance.

(Images attached)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jamesjsenecal:
Bumped so everyone has a fair shot at it!!