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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] stringbean82:
As stated below in my signature, having the same issue and tried the different modes 1 and 3 same result
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] coincoinlapin:
Side question:

Why isn't the calendar app working?

(ps: try Google mobile sync if you haven't yet, it rocks)

Thanks for all your hard work.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] mong0418:
Does ROM matter?

What's obi's rom on your test phone?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] justin82:
Maybe a stupid question; but how do I kill application in Android. After opening a couple of programs Anroid really slows down…

For some programme’s it’s possible to stop them from the menu within the program, but a lot of the programs this option isn’t there. Is there a taskmanager in Android I overlooked?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Pure4Real:
As far as i can see from the posts the vertical stripes problem occurs in different radio versions all since the power collapse function has been added in the kernel. Apparently there is some other thing that seperates our phones (the ones with the problem) from the others (without the problem)

Any guesses about what that could be? Is there a difference in screen possible? What happens in the system with a power collapse: which parts are affected and how? Maybe if we know that we can pinpoint the troublemaker.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] bally3:
afaik, the vertical line issue is not present on the polaris - maybe that might point to something. we recently had rogros polaris changes added by dzo.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] KeizerBAAS:
I've been updating the kernel and initrd each time new version are available, but I'm still using the russian system.img and data.img, and i'm not experiencing any issues...

Edit: hyperdragon III rom, 1.71 radio
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] bally3:
How about if all the users experiencing these issues pick up just ONE WORKING file set, format their cards to fat32 and try again to see what differing results we get?

If the same files produce different results then it could be pin-pointed to:

a) Type/Size of SD Card.

b) Phone Model
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] tembares:
I had the vertical lines also with a DZO release. So it is not only okibi's release.

Now I am using okibi's release. I had the vertical line also, but I played a lot with Android to see if I could get the vertical lines again.

To get the unit out of sleepmode the first time, I used the 'end' button. Then I had the vertical lines. I rebooted and used the menu button the second time. Then I saw that the screen was okay.

Android slept all night with me :p. When I woke up Android, it was working well.

I will see if I can find something, just like others, to see where the problem can be. Maybe with or without data connection, ... Let's try.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] justin82:
Tried different buttons to wakeup Android but all with the same result…
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] qualin:
all work fine, i dont have problem wth vertical lines after wake up but i cant make calls :/ i can recieve calls, send and recieve massages but cant make a call. phone is starting outgoing call and end it after 1 second. so i have every time "call ended" when i want to make a call. any suggestions ?

i have tried few radios but it doesnt help.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] guymanx09:
I'm no expert, but it seems that the light flashing is a leftover command from winmo. Android doesn't seem to send any commands to the LED until you let it sleep, when it takes over control of the light.

Oh, and the lights on the face buttons are similar. If they're lit up when you reboot into android, they'll just stay on
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] n0r:
maybe its just @ my phone but,

when calling my friend he says he heard himself echoing on the background, how longer the call how worser it gets..

anyone else having this?

PHONE: kaiser

ROM: Garmin.DK.S - TF2D

RADIO: NIKI_1.65.29.22

ANDROID VERSION: latest from DZO

Data works

Calls work

SMS works

Music works

Screen rotates not good (upside down)

Battery works (and charges)

Movie sound ok, movie is slow (not fluid) No color in movies

PS

You developers ROCK!! thank you guys!

question? do you guys think android can run solo after al the development is done? i mean in an rom version? or will it always be mounted on top of wm?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] assangflexx:
For what 3G :O

If i want to search something, read e-mail etc. Got almost 24/7 a pc around me.

Livingroom, Sleeping Room, Work. Soo... :P

Wil definitely look at ANDNAV.org

Screen bug is randomly with me. Sometimes when I wake up the fone. Got today an meeting with staff leader of work. He was very enthusiasm, so want to see the bug, it didn't want to come :O

meeting was over, so didn't test the calling at that moment.

Will sign me up as 24/7 tester, where is registration :cool:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Raketemensch:
Is lspci or an equivalent available?That could tell us if we're dealing with different chipsets and whatnot in trying to troubleshoot all of these different issues with supposedly similar hardware...

I would check myself, but I don't have my Tilt atm....
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] rkadar1:
newest build

so basically everything works for me .... except ofcourse gps and camera ... but besides that the basic functions of calling people, receiving calls, internet, texting, screen rotation, keyboard, battery charge, all are working almost perfectly. Its basically almost a complete android phone besides a few buggy issues. also one thing that im sure is being worked on is getting new applications that work. oh and speaker phone does not work
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] n0r:
when screen is turned off my keypad lights stay on..? anyone else same problem?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] rkadar1:
in call echo issue

i believe someone already commented on this issue and i wanted to confirm it when in call my side comes in perfect but they hear their own echo???

found another issue ... when sending a text in landscape mode then sliding back the keyboard the screen does not go back to portrait mode
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] astrocrep:
I can confirm those two issues!

-Rich
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] KeizerBAAS:
I don't have the issue, but it seems similar to using skype in winmo over speaker. The incoming sound is picked up by the microphone of the phone, and transmitted to the party on the other end of the call...

So either you're calling on speakerphone, or the in-call volume is set to loud... To set it lower: press less softkey when in a call, see if it helps.

Otherwise boot-up android with your headset attached and see if the echo still exists when calling over headset...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Combo22:
Internet???

I have a at&t Tilt unlocked and on T-mobile w/unlimited data plan.

I got everything to work but the internet.

Anybody have the same problem.

What do i need to put in the APN settings

I tried puttings the t-mobile stuff from some earlier post. Still Nothing.

What exactly do i need to input.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] tembares:
Vertical lines, part (lost count)

When I let the unit come into sleepmode itself, I get the vertical lines.

When I put the unit into sleepmode by using the end key, it comes up as it should be.

You developers, what is the difference between the two 'modes'?

EDIT:

I am not right. Now I also get the vertical lines when I put the device in sleepmode.

The only big change compared with yesterday is that the battery is more empty.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Globalrebel:
Hey guys, Been searching the thread and only can't find an answer yet. I'm trying to install some APK files I have and I can't find the Android Martket to download the installer. I was wondering if anyone here has figured out how to install APK files yet.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] wazz999:
If I remember correctly, you need to have a folder/directory called "AndroidApps" on the root of your sd card. It worked for me. Hope it helps. Place the .apk files in the folder, and boot Android. Should show up in the pull up menu.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] ajclai08:
its easy....make a folder on root of SD card named.."AndroidApps" copy the .apk files into the folder and there you go..next boot into android the apps will be installed..no actual installation process needed.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] ajclai08:
When charge you the phone in WM the orange light stays on..so if the LED did really draw a lot of power why have it on while charging the phone? The answer is the LED doesnt draw hardly any power off the battery..
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] xmercury:
Task Manager

Here is a task manager that we can use to kill off processes. Just download the zip file and get the TaskManager.apk out of it. Put the TaskManager.apk into your AndroidApps folder and you are set.

http://arronla.com/android/TaskManager.zip

I have been following this thread since the beginning and cant remember if this has been posted yet or not. I also tried searching, so if it has been posted sorry.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] KeizerBAAS:
This is great! Works excellent! The app can even kill itself!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] okibi:
Just to note: I'm currently looking into the vertical lines issue, as well as any other power collapse issues.

I'll post a new build tonight, if I get something working

Thanks!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] silasrye:
taskmanager

when i unzip the file there is no apk inside, only another folder called TaskManager in which there are

.settings

assets

bin

res

src

(all of these are folders)

.classpath

.project

AndroidManifest.xml

any clue what happened?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] PhyerFly:
....look in the bin folder
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] devonian69:
Look in the "bin" folder... I think its in there.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] biscuits1978:
You shouldn't need any APN settings INSIDE of Android. However, the default.txt should have this for your 'set cmdline' field:

set cmdline "board-kaiser-keypad.atttilt=1 ppp.apn=wap.voicestream.com ppp.username=\"\" ppp.password=\"\" pm.sleep_mode=1 board-htcvogue.panel_type=0 msm_sdcc.msmsdcc_fmax=20000000 no_console_suspend"

This works for me, and I have T-Mobile US on an AT&T Tilt.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] shadowline:
Thats the internal guts of the .apk file. try renaming the .zip to .apk as they are technically the same. (try opening a .apk in 7zip or such)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] okibi:
The latest release is ready!

http://slackthebox.com/android/Android2-12-09.zip

Please read the included README.txt prior to first boot.

Noticable changes:

Improved response time

Improved resume from power collapse

Everything else still works.

Thanks!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] rkadar1:
okibi and dzo= geniuses
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] azazelx:
Wow, you guys are amazing, these releases are just coming out fast and furious huh? (sorry, im super excited for the fast and furious movie comin out!)

Just wondering when we can expect the android market to be available?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] shadowline:
Thats all up to google for the market part. And good release, I don't see any problems with it yet. Thanks :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] rkadar1:
in call problem prevails

two problems exist with in-calls, 1) when talking to someone changing the incall volume has no effect 2) the person on the other side says the echoing gets worse as the call gets longer
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] stuff:
I am VERY pleased with the most recent version of Android.

I've been a follower, but I recently dropped testing it, until tonight.

I've used the older Androud builds, back when the storage card did not work.

This one literally blew me away. So much progress has happened. I'm looking forward to future builds.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Smultie:
Ok, I've posted this before, but it's still kinda annoying that I can't get outgoing calls to work. Anyone with a sollution?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] SkywalkerPD:
Do you use a pin on the SIM? This doesn't work. Remove the Pin from the SIM and all works well.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] SkywalkerPD:
Superb work Okibi!!!

The white lines problem is solved! Phone works ok now. I still can't get my internet/data connection to work though.

Anyone tips on this issue?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Hellmasterita:
Vertical Line continuing on my:

Kaiser

ROM PDA Corner V17

RADIO 1.65.24.36

calendar not work

data connection tryed setting in default.txt and Android APN does not work
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Smultie:
I don't use a PIN (at least, WiMo doens't ask for one when I boot up)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Totzkie:
tried the latest build and it works well. Have you guys tried taking some screenies of your homescreens? Thanks!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] SkywalkerPD:
Never mind! Had to use Togga........

I keep having issues with the volume during a call. Can't seem to set this lower or higher?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] okibi:
I will look into the call volume and echoing today. Can you give me the details of your phone?

If the vertical white lines issue is still there for you, are you sure you started with a fresh data.gz? If you did, can you tell me the steps to recreate the problem exactly?

Thanks!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] mong0418:
I still have vertical line problem

Do anyone recommend some older version without power collapse? I would give it a try
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] dzo:
For people with the vertical lines problem, it's possible this is caused by a cpld write to set the leds. Can you try this kernel:

http://cs-alb-ps3.massey.ac.nz/vogue/files/zImage-test

There are also a few different versions of kaiser so it probably only affects some of them. Look behind the battery to find which one you have. Mine is a tilt and it says KAIS100.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] nikki2beeps:
Well, For those of us with the sound collapsing not being able to use android as a phone at all my phone is a kais 130.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] a.s.j:
OK, I'll test okibis and your releases later today. We have quite huge snowfall here today so now I have to push it away from the road to be able to get into town, at last to reach the post office. Gee, you have summer in New Zeland now heh? :D

By the way, I added model number in my signature. It is also 130, so perhaps here we have some place to trace white strips issue. Perhaps the model number should be standard part of the signature as ROM or Radio does :D Would make tracing simmilarities a bit easier ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] marajin:
Yeah I know, I was just wondering if you had any different code rolled into the kernel for the moko build. I tried it with the zImage from the 3rd anyway. (Blank screen apart from a single underscore). I'll play with it some more tonight
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] zlamma:
$ strings [B]kaiser_radio_0x301.nb[/B] |grep -i linux
M6500C L4/Linux
L4 Linux
NICTNICTA::Pistachio - built on Jan 23 2007 18:10:22 by dpandian@l4linux15 using gcc version 3.4.1
start_linux_cmd
vmlinux != NULL
vmlinux
vmlinux igms_name=ramdisk root=/dev/igms0
start_linux

what is this?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] dcordes:
the microkernel that runs on arm9 and nothing new
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] slovoflud:
Hi, just wanted to get some news/Update - what exactly are the challenges we're facing right now? what's being done? who needs help and with what? how far are we from the point when i can ditch WM?

I'm asking because i'm really tempted by iPhone3G, i'm tired of slow Kaiser - i don't mind the hardware - it's the Windows that bugs me. should i keep kaiser and wait for android? or should i jump ship? Don't think WM7 will change something.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] marajin:
The most obvious thing to get done now is to work out how to get android communicating with the arm9 core inside the kaiser. That core deals with many things, including the radio and most of the hardware. As far as I know we are able to read messages (i.e. the chip informs of incoming calls/messages) but we have not got the way to talk back to the chip to make or accept the calls. Also the current android firmware was designed for a CDMA handset and so isn't much use with GSM currently.

So to break it down:

Need to get two way communication with the hardware

Need to get GSM version of Android

Need to make sure the phone module and sound hardware is working reliably

Probably need to do some work on powermanagement?

eventually might need to consider making a flashable firmware with bootloader but this isn't too important as long as we can get reliable haret booting. (Which we seem to already have on some firmwares. It boots every time I've tried on my device using Dutty's Diamond V1)

Anyone feel free to correct me on these points though. I'm not an absolute authority on the matter! :D At least not yet ;) :p
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] slovoflud:
Thanks for the reply! :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] xmoo:
Just wait till kaiser gets fixed!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] slovoflud:
very funny, Xmoo :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] xmoo:
I ment Kaiser + Android....
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] drownage:
im with slovoflud... kaiser will NEVER get fixed... even if we get android working, we will still have never ending glitches and actual useful applications will be impossible to make work smoothly... u still even need drivers for linux... iPhone has drivers... comes with 3D drivers... has GPS... has accelerometer which can be used to play monkey ball... has A WORKING BROWSER... has an SDK with many many develpers... has actual supporters... and most of all the company APPLE LISTENS TO ITS CONSUMERS... For 199 versus 700 for diamond and for my kaiser when i bought it.... iPhone 3G would be the go...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] JimmyMcGee:
Fine then Go. And don't look back. But you are not converting me.

Lets Keep this Thread on topic people. I want to know when I can run Linux on my Kaiser whether Natively or through Haret.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] marajin:
Coupla points.

A) Android has drivers for the graphics hardware in the kaiser as far as we know.

B) You're comparing 199 (iphone on contract) to 700 (outright sim free purchase) ? I got my kaiser FREE on the same tariff pricing as the iPhone here, and I get twice as many inclusive call minutes and more SMS and still get unlimited data. You work out what the iphone ACTUALLY costs and get back to us, k? In the meantime as Jimmy says, Let's focus on doing what we can to get linux and android on the Kaiser and find out just what we can do with it instead of naysaying it. I will not respond to any more pointless ramblings about how the Kaiser/HTC devices are doomed and the iPhone is the paradigm of all that is good and holy in the electronics industry.

kthxbye
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] shadowline:
Go ahead and jump ship, but dont come complaining to us when your iPhone doesnt do all you want it to. Or you end up paying more for features that you have for free on the kaiser and other WM Phones. I do agree that Windows Mobile downright sucks. And the iPhone has a good visual concept and design. But it is just like the days of the razr phones, too much hype, a nice design, and everyones grandma has one. But flawed in design and expandability. I've had an iPhone and I'll never go back since ive had the kaiser (and its applications from right here on XDA)

Now, back to topic.

I am still trying to get some external apps, and things working in android. (i've been away for a few days.) and was wondering. Why is it that there seems to be a limit on image size of the initrd file? is it a haret issue? and is there a possibility of booting android from a uncompressed folder structure if we had a loader set up for it? (like haret is to the initrd, but to a folder/filesystem instead.)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] dcordes:
The limit is set by haret and is what fits into your ram on boottime. Which means your free ram must be at least zImage+initrd size when you hit the run button in haret.

It would be more interesting getting X11 to start in the angstrom/openmoko filesystems. You can do more with those images. They are smaller and there is virtually everything available for X you can imagine. (Except of some google street view application perhaps)

But it's a pita to debug this w/o any connection to the phone.

What we need is more drivers. Maybe somebody can change the title of the thread to something that includes linux kernel so more kernel hackers will come look :P
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Dangerously:
Apple does not listen to it's customers. It listens to marketing and media. If your iPod had a dead battery: pay just as much for a battery as your iPod. In the start you were told you could not replace the battery and had to buy a new one. Steve Jobs said it himself "you have to buy a new iPod at least once a year". If you are "pushed" into buying a new iPod/iPhone every year, are you getting your money's worth? I even don't like the fact that Steve Jobs will not support customers if they do not own an Apple computer. Steve Jobs: "As you might imagine, we are upset at Windows for not being more hardy against such viruses..." this was the response to a virus found on several iPods. The majority of iPod users are Windows based. He couldn't step up to the plate and say "i'm sorry for the lousy quality control we have and infected your computer with a virus. If you have a virus infected iPod, please send it to us and we will replace it with a tested one and give a $50 iTunes voucher". That would be respecting their customers! I like my Tilt/Kaiser as it can be upgraded with micro SD cards. iPhone: no storage upgrade, you get what it comes with. Kaiser has GPS, iPhone : a cool gyro tilt feature (yes it looks cool but it is still a stupid gimmick). The fact that they are now G3 when G3 phones have been out for a couple years now is a little slow and not marketing savvy on their part for a device that can download stuff. The new iPhone should have come with HSUPA/HSDPA like the Kaiser. And the new phone has plastic for the back cover or edging? You kidding me?

Oh and my Kaiser had Super Monkey Ball on it before Apple announced it for the 3G iPhone. I might have to control it with the keys but I would rather do that than to get an over rated device that will have as many problems as the first one on release day. Most people who own an iPhone just own one to show it off and brag about it. Have you noticed that new iPhone owners will not shut up about their phone? 3 guys at my work have them (jail broken on the Rogers network mind you) and they always talk about how much better it is. What other device do they have to compare with? None. They all have not used a Windows Mobile phone or any other phone with features similar to their beloved iPhone.