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[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] mafy31:
Would guess that Gcam cannot switch to f/2.4 if you do not toggle it in the settings.

For stock cam : if the angle is wide (no close shot or portrait) the camera does not look for blurr background, then the stock cam uses f/2.4 as much as it can depending on light because smaller aperture means sharper shot. Without the picture i cannot tell then.

What i can say from what i've seen is that it usually acts normally :

- good light, landscape kind of shots : uses f/2.4 for more sharpness and try to use the lowest ISO as possible (less grain, more details). Unfortunately this reduces shutter speed, it is OK outside for still, but bad when a target is moving. In this latest example you would probably have increased ISO and use higher shutter speed if you were manual on a dslr... I made a post somewhere where i regret that there's no "sport mode" for that reason, i think on some samsung forums

- lower light like indoor artificial light : the camera tries to use lowest ISO while keeping lowest grain, so you end usually with like ISO 320 upto 640 and the camera uses low shutter like 1/30 assuming the stabilization will do the job. Unfortunately this does not work for moving targets, like kids because shutter is too slow

Gcam seems to used f/1.5, because toggle switch to f/2.4 was not enabled in settings.

The use of f/1.5 in your screenshots means Gcam can use lower ISO, it will result in lower grain. But we cannot see shutter speed on your screenshots to really compare.

For PPP: they use the same, i think, which means 96 dpi, but i think it is reduced if you take night shot modes with stock camera downto 72 PPP, probably because it uses several pixels and averages them together (samsung sensor technology which toggles between sharper image or higher sensitivity). Maybe Gcam did not use this feature...

I sometimes have photos with more MB like 5-6 MB with stock cam depending on settings or edition with stock software.

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Tried the food shot... Well this kind of toy is meant to be eaten :D

Size of a thumb or so...

https://imgur.com/sbQgLwc

https://imgur.com/Ox3aV5F

https://imgur.com/x3NzUOe

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Can not really compare, because it does not work the same at all. For the pro-mode with such a low shutter you need a tripod / be very stable.

If you used tripod + low ISO + f/2.4 then you might get a sharper shot with pro-mode.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] Makonator:
I've used those settings in gcam, and ofc it's slower than stock.

Anyway, is there a phone with promode camera options that can save preset settings? If there is not...why the heck not???? I can adjust promode for my house and save it, without saving I need to adjust it non stop...

Developers pls do something about it :cowboy:
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] mafy31:
I love this idea. You should propose it on samsung forums, they often get pulled up by a mods to the devs. Or with samsung members also.

On the screenshot you posted i see you did not enable f/2.4 ; it would give sharper image whenever you have good light, better for landscapes for example.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] Makonator:
I did try to switch aperture to 2.5 but it still take 1.5...this is exynos so no proper gcam still...let's say front cam on this gcam is useless, full of grain.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] neo905:
Coming from a Pixel phone I found the still pictures on My Note 10+ terrible. Everything was washed out. GCam salvaged the camera for me personally. Samsung really needs to step up their camera processing software game and not gear the photos to appeal to South Asians with a skin tone complex.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] mrlugo88:
Which GCam do you use?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] xuggs:
Night mode on the Note 10+ is beautiful.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] mafy31:
Nice one ! Completely agree.

Handled shots unfortunately :

Night mode (decreased brightness) :

Pro-mode (iso50 ; f/2.4 ; 2sec exposure), better for geting these cars rays and for right exposure of the sky, also allows for f/2.4 :

And this one for the few stars and full moon (night mode, decreased brightness):

On this last one night shot tends to over-expose and over-texture the sky ...

Night shot is not very good when subject has no light and if the sky has some, but it seems to be able to capture stars.

Wish i had the time to take a tripod and try to get this moon sharper with pro-mode on that last shot. Maybe the Note is not able to do that though.

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Did you update the camera/firmwares ?

Many wrote this, but for me i only have troubles in low light with portraits. I get all the skins details if the light is sufficient and it is rather impressive, even with front cam.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] ventolino:
Hi,

which is the latest software version for the cam?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] mafy31:
9.5.05.1
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] shamay.sha:
Night mode
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] mafy31:
Great shot. It is amazing how everything in shadows comes to life with night mode.

Were you on tripod ?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] shamay.sha:
Sort of yes.. Not exactly tripod but Mobile was kept on stable surface with some support.. ?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] mafy31:
Your shot is good really, but tripod definitely makes a huge difference still, for night shots.

My shots above would have been way sharper if i had one with me but it was at home :(

With the s pen remote, it is just awesome.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] shamay.sha:
Yes, Tripod makes huge difference, my hands are also shaky so whenever i try to take night mode photo without tripod/support it looses some sharpness/ becomes little blurry due to shake but noticed huge diff when I put it on flat surface.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] shamay.sha:
Normal photo and same in Night mode
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] mafy31:
Nice, i find it amazing how colours appear despite everything being whole dark real life, can see brown and green of the trees.

Herebelow night mode also, handheld, was rainy !
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] shamay.sha:
Hey.. Nice shots.. Looks like you have stable hands ? except that man moved in second photo added little bit ghost effect in photo...
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] shamay.sha:
Also want to ask about lens flare,Yesterday O was trying to take oic in night against lamo but there was green flare appearing every time (you can see below snap). How to avoid that flare?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] mafy31:
Nothing much you can do here... It happens also on other phones (even worse on pixel 4XL).

Someone wrote about it a few pages ago, seems it is like light going in and reflects inside between the lens and the glass. It can be edited though.

Sometimes you can cover the sides to avoid it and sometimes you can't, when the light is in the frame.

Strangely it does not happen all the time, i do not have this in my photos just above.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] shamay.sha:
Went to a 0lace near me..
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] mafy31:
Wow beautiful pics !!!

The 2 first ones are incredibly good. The lake as well, wonderful place, and a shot taken at the right time ! Colours balance and sky is superb.

It reminds that while everyone talks about the device, a photo is like 30% of the photographer sight and inspiration, 30% of the subject shot, 30% of the moment you take it at... that does not leave much for the device :o:o:o:laugh:
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] shamay.sha:
:laugh: :laugh: if samsung, Google, Apple read this post then they will sue you for killing there business :p

But I feel samsung has really done a good job with camera specially AI, scene optimiser & shot suggestions are really good options and gives you much better results.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] shamay.sha:
Some more from today bit edited for saturation and details
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] mafy31:
Very good shots once again, nice place you live in...
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] shamay.sha:
Thanks Mafy.. Yes its Indeed beautiful place.. Natural beauty everywhere
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] neo905:
Gcam 6.2.030 Advanced BF

2.2.1.190822.1145

I still use the Samsung camera app for video but I use Gcam for photos.

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I have the latest firmware. It's the software processing that just isn't as good as Apple or Google. Take a picture indoors with wood furniture, preferably dark furniture, and compare it to a Pixel/Gcam shot. You can see the grain of the wood clearly in the Pixel/Gcam and you barely see any grain in the samsung. It has a tendency to smooth out everything. Even with the skin, it's not just skin tone it's smoothing out of features like hair and imperfections. Turning off beauty mode didn't help. It's more an issue for indoor light than bright outdoor shots. My other issue is indoor shots of say your kid is blurry with any movement they make. The shutter speed isn't very good indoors in artificial or dim light. The camera hardware is great though which is why Gcam made a difference because it is a software issue.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] mafy31:
Isn't Gcam too long to take a picture? For good pic on Exynos you need HDR+ and it takes ages. Stock cam is really instantaneous and gives bright results even indoor/artificial light.

I also feel like it is sharper with stock and brighter.

So it's true it is not perfect, when zooming far in, the edges are strange sometimes ; but i would get the speed any time over a x40 digital zoom. We will barely have to zoom in x20 (that's what we do when pinching).
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] vuoshino:
My previous phone was a oneplus 7 pro that i used with a gcam 7.0 by arnova and the picture were a lot better. When i took the first photo with the note 10+ i was thinking that some options there were to set but there are not options... In day light is good but inside and in the night is one of the worst phones that i ever used for the pictures... Any ideas?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] neo905:
I guess if you take an HDR+ enhance it takes slower but regular HDR+ on Gcam not really. Besides at the end if the day I don't want a trash picture in a hurry I want a good picture.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] mafy31:
Exy or SD ? Please post some "trash picture" so we can help...
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] mrlugo88:
I think there are more than enough complaints on this forum and elsewhere to not put that in quotes and is beyond anything we can do to help. This is a problem with this phone. A proper GCam or an update to the camera software is the only real help that can happen at this point.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] vuoshino:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/CprCEqTYYurARnEC9

https://photos.app.goo.gl/zPFEw4igqCFsxoN97

I will upload more photo. In the first the details are 0. The picture is like made from a cinese phone... The second too, the details in the ground etc. Are very worst

My phone is exynos note 10+
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] mafy31:
Rants, yes, but none posts his misses or problems most of the time. And i'm unsure it is just a problem with software ; we are talking about phones, they are small sensors and can't compare with full frames ; most of the time misses are in very extreme conditions (low light and/or subject moving).

Thanks, at least someone posts his issues. And with all details available.

In both picture it is very high ISO and 1st one is A1250 (max available) + low shutter + subject moving resulting in a failed shot that camera tries to correct (and fails).

I believe that another phone would have just shown a movement blurr instead of trying to correct it, but it would still be a failed shot.

I don't recall to get a similar example though on my Exy, and could not find any in history, maybe because i did not have or kept a portrait with A1250 ISO. I have very good portraits with ISO 400 up to 640 though.

The second pic is not that bad, but high ISO again (800), i would have lowered the brightness one or two steps. The stones on top and the ground are indeed not very good.

I would have tried night mode for this still shot.

My thoughts on this is that samsung software tries to correct any kind of grain and movement blurr to give a sharper picture. In low light conditions instead of having a movement blurr you get these strange textures when it attempts to correct this movement blurr that another phone would have shown. But in both cases it would be a failed shot, no matter the phone.

Example here on pixel 4XL, it is not great in my opinion... check the 2nd shot #48

https://xdaforums.com/pixel-4-xl/review/photo-quality-t3946919/page5

It is blurry and white cap is blurred, no details, neither on black clothes. nothing.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] vuoshino:
Note 10: https://drive.google.com/file/d/12o5FNyaiKWyFII74wgmbyqaVsBLRQ3OC/view?usp=drivesdk

Oneplus: https://drive.google.com/file/d/134V8DELzTmspZzOK43dS6PE_jLtLAr-k/view?usp=drivesdk

On the oneplus 7 pro with gcam you can see a lot of details that are invisible with the note 10+... Look at the door paint and the carpet.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] Makonator:
Check gcam thread on this forum, there is new zgcam for exynos note 10 as well for s10+ etc.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] mafy31:
Right, but it is also darker. Lower brightness one or two steps should get same or better results with note10+. Maybe you did not Focus / AE there as well.

For portrait like said above by Makanator, there is a new ZGcam 6.1 for Exy, and it does a pretty good job on low light portraits in my opinion with the right config file.

Have a good portrait this evening with it and it shows ISO 1250 and 1/25 speed, but my subject was not moving.

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Indeed, i could not test it before because of old version of Gcam. But new one allows HDR regular now and it is fast. Had pretty good results, not always better than stock but for some low light portrait it definitely is.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] vuoshino:
Can you give me a link please? Thanks
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] Makonator:
https://xdaforums.com/galaxy-note-10+/themes/google-camera-t3967771/post80981931#post80981931
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] infrasonic13:
Which config to use?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] Makonator:
try dax 10 auto
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] mafy31:
Best for me actually is beta (donator's group) with dax10.1 config, but many use dax10 with some tweaking.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] shamay.sha:
Hello friends.. tried something simple with pro mode..unedited
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] shamay.sha:
#Lighttrail #Nightshot #zgcam
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] PaulBlair23:
I do not see any problems. Great camera.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] shamay.sha:
Zgcam+Snapseed
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] XanRules:
Does the consensus seem to be that the problems with the camera are based on Samsung's overly-aggressive image processing, many of which can be fixed by installing GCam? I've got all of the settings (Beauty, HDR, etc) off and my photos, especially indoors and/or in low light, are incredibly smudged/blurry. VERY little detail and lots of weird artifacting around the edges. To make matters worse, my front camera... well. Here's the thread I was referred from: https://xdaforums.com/galaxy-note-1...s-accurate-t4012655/post81084689#post81084689

Those are screenshots from the video (can't figure out how to link those attachments to this thread) and that is like, mid-1990s color quality.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] mafy31:
Yup look for Zgcam... there is threads talking about it, works very well for both exynos or sd and it gives stunning results even though the menus and features are tricky.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] BCE111:
Hey :) Could you please post some links to those threads? I'm familiar with GCam of course but not Zgcam. Thanks.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] XanRules:
Same, I am only finding ZGCam for Exynos. I have a Snapdragon model, so I assume I should just download GCam?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] XanRules:
Just wanted to update with another representative image - there's really not much detail in my cat's fur, it's very "watercolored" and smudged. This is in broad daylight at like 1pm on a sunny day.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] Cyrax-001:
Wow! looks like a Megapixel camera!
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] XanRules:
I'm sorry, I don't know what that means!
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] XanRules:
Three more. One of the same cat in similar lighting from the P2XL, which I think looks noticeably better, and then a screenshot from the video front camera. The third is the front camera in broad daylight with all filters turned off, which seems to confirm to me that the problem is one of software rather than hardware since that one looks pretty good to me.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] shamay.sha:
You can get Zgcam for exyons devices in below telegram group

https://t.me/ZexynosLounge
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] Cyrax-001:
Megapixel cameras are the early versions of cameras that were introduced with symbian mobiles
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] XanRules:
Ah! Yeah, in absolutely ideal conditions the pictures are tremendous but in anything less they're quite lackluster, which is very strange for this hardware.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] mafy31:
Go for ZGcam... Problems solved.

I still use stock for some landscapes or fast shots outdoor or ultra wide angle.

Other than that, portraits taken with Zgcam are really good, very sharp, colors and textures are far better too and low light performance as well.

If you are happy with Zoran work please donate, his work truely deserves it. You will also access beta/latests versions.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] XanRules:
ZGCam is Exynos only, right? I am on a US/Snapdragon model.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] mafy31:
Try here then :

t.me/GoogleCameraGalaxy
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] XanRules:
I don't have Telegram and I'm not sure I'm at the point where I want to sign up for another service to solve this issue. Thank you, though!
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] _yokolormebadd:
I think feeling like you're about to cry over a photo is a little much.... (I hope you're being sarcastic). I did a research study on a few phones a few months ago and the Note and iPhone 11s were the worst ones. The Google Pixel 4s blew both of these out of the water. It is quite sas because we spend x amount of money on these phones and the manufacturers always praise the cameras and they're not as good as we would like.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] mafy31:
Then why are you writing and asking here, if you have no will to get things right?...

Just act like any random customer and do whatever you feel good with ; would be less time waste for us.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] XanRules:
Sorry, I'm not trying to waste your time and I understand where you're coming from - you have sincerely been very helpful! My issue is just, man, I was bothered enough by this to download an APK or do some tweaking, but am I bothered by this enough to sign up for another messaging program, learn how to navigate a Telegram group, and try to hunt down the correct APK in a group chat with 3500+ people in it? Right now I'm not sure I want to bother with all that. It's just a matter of "how much of my time is this worth to me at this moment?"

Again, I do sincerely appreciate your help and I may choose to tackle that in the future, I just wasn't in the mood to do so last night. :)

EDIT: Alright I just tried to take some photos by the Christmas tree and now I'm motivated. I'll get it sorted. Thanks again [MENTION=8003352]mafy31[/MENTION].
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] mafy31:
No problem i understand as well if you dont know telegram. Maybe you will be able to find a previous gcam version elsewhere.

Just so you know how it works :

- telegram is easy to access to, and when you click on link give above on your smartphone, and you get added to the group and can tchat there easily.

- for latest version it is easy to get, just type /latest in telegram tchat, it gives you a link for download

- if you have troubles with it, hundreds people are there to help and it is kinda nice

and if you are a bit into photography it will be even more interesting because of all the features/tweaking it offers depending on your taste.

If need a hand post here or send me a tell if you like but it is rather easy. If you are wondering if it is worth it, i can send you samples of comparison between stock and gcam you will be surprised how good it is, for example for portraits on note10+ it is very good. Not flawless because still in beta, though.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] mrlugo88:
Just search Google and many links will pop up with threads/discussions about the GCam for SD Note. I did and got one that works fairly well for mine.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] slovik1024:
Two Pictures taken with N10+ Exynos

Witout dark mode

[IMG="Dark Mode Off"]https://imgur.com/t8h4QMm[/IMG]

With dark mode

[IMG="Dark Mode On"]https://imgur.com/D2jGGXz[/IMG]
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] mafy31:
Amazing pic. Dark mode you mean Night mode ?

Night mode usually results in washed, bright sky, you probably were in non-man's land.:good: