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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] bally3:
We need more devs.

Seems like there are quite a few devs who can do som kernel based coding, but not enough to do some of the things dzo and company are doing. Whilst theres little we can do about assisting dzo on the more advanced code, is it possible to get some of the devs who can do driver based stuff (wifi gps etc) to start taking on the driver creation tasks?

Seems to me we spend far too much time waiting for someone else (mainly dzo) to do things that can be done by other devs on here. I dont mean to start fueling the "we need a website" argument again as I dont believe we do, but if some of the devs can take on the tasks which are listed in the wikis and just update (or ask someone to update) the wiki to show that they are workng on it then we can move forward a little.

The other thing is that the userspace (android); though dzo has done some experimental work on it, can be improved generically. We need to get back to the kernel development as we will lose the momentum of the project if we get side-tracked with the userspace.

I know that this will probably be met with the priorities argument - but its better to do some of what we can do rather than nothing at all because someone else will probably do it.

My proposal would be then for the devs who do want to get involved in the kernel development to voice their interest and what they would be willing to take on and maybe the wiki-keepers can add their names to the wikis and they can update us on the progress they are making.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] a.s.j:
I totally agree. In this moment I am still lost a bit in source code, so I am not able to say, that I might help a lot, but if I can do anything for others to ease their efforts, than I am willing to do so...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] poly_poly-man:
good effort, but wrong ideas. Let me clearify.

Kernel development: drivers and such. This stuff is really important, but it has limits - there's a lot you have to do in userland.

Android (userland) development: this HAS to happen - not the fancy "make this app work" stuff, but the RIL (radio interface layer - stuff that makes signal strength, hsdpa/edge/gprs, phone calls, SIM reading, etc. work), reworking input code (get the keys to where we like them - there is NO ANDROID INTERFACE to the power key seperate from the red key, the browser and messaging keys, etc.

So kernel development is important, but then again... for example, gps - we need to be able to turn it on from kernel, but actually interfacing will be userland's job.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] bally3:
Thanks for the explanation poly-man, I have no shame in admitting the limitations of my non-dev knowledge so its good to know! :)

If this is the case, as you've explained - then maybe the development should be split into two entities - I did consider a userspace thread in the General forum as this is more generic.

My point really is that there needs to be some co-ordination in which part of the development is being worked on and by whom and only for the reason given before that we keep the momentum of the project going.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] biktor_gj:
At this time we are developing for the Kaiser, Polaris and the Nike. Maybe we should make a thread for the Android development (userspace), and kernel development for the msm7200, so we can share all the common parts all the devices share (in case you hadn't noticed, a polaris kernel boots on both the kaiser and the nike). Keypads, gpios, and those things are different for each devices, but others, like bluetooth (brf6300), wifi and other parts are common for all the devices, and I think we should really try to avoid duplicating code as much as possible, as for today kernel weighs more than 1,4mb and that's not good either.

About the keypad thing Poly-poly man mentioned, there are some things that should be splitted on the userland, like the KEY_END key, but most of the rest should be done on kernel code. On kaiser and nike, you have different keypad layouts wich cannot be remapped on userland (the atttilt on the kaiser; on the nike you have 16key model and three different 20key models)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] nickgallis:
last veriosn 21-02 it's more stable and video ok now my problem is lost of contac any time try a new version it's possible to save in the memrory and after import ... I don't want to make a sync with funambol server any time I upgrade ..
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] guymanx09:
The latest version supports syncing with google. When going through the initial setup, you have to add an APN for your network and delete the other APNs. Then you just log in to your google account and all your gmail contacts will show up in android. There's even a desktop app from google for syncing gmail contacts with outlook contacts. That way all your winmo contacts get synced to outlook, which syncs with gmail, which syncs with android.

At least, that's how I'm doing it
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] poly_poly-man:
Basic keycode stuff should be kernel, yes. att tilt was done in kernel, for example.

Polaris is now in htc-vogue - what about nike?

also, common code like the wifi, bluetooth, etc. is *mostly* common code - most of it already exists, and the rest is hardware-specific (the wifi-on gpio is not the same across those three models, AFAIK).

Kernel development is well-coordinated, with git.

Userland is not well-coordinated at all.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] nickgallis:
I dont wnat use connection to sync my contact :D I have make it now but I prefer use other no net
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] shadowline:
Copy your contacts to the sim card in windows mobile, and while in android, use the menu key and select the sim option.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] adamc118:
Multi-Touch

Will it be possible to get the multi-touch capabilities on the android ports?:cool:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] krisje8:
Afaik, you need capacitive touchscreens for this.

Those do not work with styluses, and as the touchscreen on the kaiser does work with styluses, I'm betting it's a resistive touchscreen.

Which does not support multitouch.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] bally3:
If we can agree to it then maybe we should think about starting a new thread in General for the Userspace for all the devices. I'm bowing out of this one as I dont have the time to keep it updated unfortunately.

Seperation of the userspace and kernel sounds like a logical idea it seems to me.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] KeizerBAAS:
Nick, pliese updaete yuor englisch, yuor kyebarod, or yvrae sngtureaar to eincloode spaghetti soorry furr my badd engalisch...

Further, I agree on the userland stuff to be important to get worked on, next to the kernel stuff.

I´m sure the mods here will add an additional sub-main thread for android in which we can realise all this, as soon as it becomes close to daily useability...

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Sorry for my bad english, my keyboard sucks big time!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] poly_poly-man:
well, I think we need to do specific userspace work for every device, so "general" wouldn't be a good idea... but new userspace threads for every machine...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] tilt1414:
Whats up everyone; Well ive been using the newest build and i noticed that while in android, every now and then, it goes from android to no service.I also noticed when txting , in the signal it will be full service then the no bars and X is shown then goes back,i dont know if anyone else noticed or if its just me. Thought id let you guys know! =)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] adamc118:
Multi-Touch

Check out Stantum's new resistive multi-touch. http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/19/stantums-mind-blowing-multitouch-interface-on-video/
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] rkadar1:
no one has really addressed this issue of echoing noises and bad reception on the other end of the line when making phone calls? anyone actually asking how the reception sounds when they are talking to another person?

ON AT&T...radio 1.71.09 using the new athinos me
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] dzo:
I've put a new build on my site in the files directory. The market works now and power collapse works again with hvga.

The problem with the market was that it needs a temporary download location so I've added a /cache directory on the sd card that is created if it doesn't exist.

You should only need to replace the initrd.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] shadowline:
Thank you DZO, downloading and testing now. :D

For the lazy ones that don't want to search, this is the file (correct?)

http://it029000.massey.ac.nz/vogue/files/android-kaiser-23-02-09.zip

http://it029000.massey.ac.nz/vogue/files/android-kaiser-23-02-09.zip]
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] rkadar1:
that link doesnt work
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] shadowline:
I updated it. For some reason it added the ] in the url..

Dzo, which system.img is included? the experimental or the cupcake?

Update: Market works and downloads, good job. :D

In other news, I can't seem to get the touchflo 3d .cab file to install in android... ;-) kidding, im just kidding.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] poly_poly-man:
hmm... because I didn't find it immediately, you made me download 40mb of old stuff :P

damn dsl connection...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] poly_poly-man:
very, very nice.

Stuff to do before I'll flash it over winmo :P :

1. lower power consumption. That's mostly #2:

2. get wireless (wifi, bluetooth, gps, data above gprs) to work properly

3. fix resolution (switch to QVGA again, give android an emulator, perhaps?)

4. fix keymap stuff. Should be easy when we get a stable codebase to work from as far as userspace is concerned.

5. uhhh.... there is no #5, I think...

All other problems should be subsets of those, correct?

EDIT: hey dzo, mine seems to pop out of power collapse.... dunno why (and too late to debug anything)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] shadowline:
After going app crazy in the market, i'm back again. First off, all 10 apps I downloaded ran without a glitch (not counting missing features in gps, g-sensor, etc)

And poly, add proper network detection to number 5. :D

and im not even worried about flashing over windows, unless we get a dual bootloader that lets us choose before booting. But as long as haret dosesnt slow us down then id like to keep it. :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] milas:
The new build is working well...I agree with shadowline, the App Market is highly addictive.

Out of curiosity, would people be interested in an RSS feed for new releases? I could make it basically like the wiki where it gives you a brief list of changes/important stuff, download links, and the post on the forum.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] stealthj:
incoming calls have no sound on Att tilt with Athine 6.5rom
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] shadowline:
calls are working for me, 5 of 5 calls works. though the screen wakes up at random.

at&t tilt and todays athineos.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] iPirate:
Calls work for me with the newest build. I've never had problems with calls.

Testing the battery life overnight, I hope to wake up to my phone alarm in the morning :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] knytphal:
Trying out the newest version, calls still don't work for me (running a 1.71 radio, have also tried the 1.65 series, neither work). The orientation flip on the slide out is once again backwards - strange.

Ok, I've done a reset and gone back in to Android and now for some really odd reason calls (outgoing that I know of...) work just fine. Data and google syncing are working just fine. The orientation is still messed up. Also, the Tilt keyboard setting doesn't really seem to do anything. I've tried both leaving it at board.kaiser-keypad.atttilt=1 and =0 but neither of them are working so the symbols are messed up for me. Ah, then of course due to the screen size being off the dialer keypad buttons overlap but it's not a huge deal.

Overall, at least in my case it's a positive step so far.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] radem205:
great work dzo. all things works great (maybe a bit slower cause of the scaling). I was wondering if it would be possible to integrate a keyboard for the polaris, because now we aren't able to use android anymore.

thank you for your great work so far!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Smultie:
Best version for me so far. Calling works, Google Sync works, market etc all work.

Got a lot of ECHO-O-O-O when calling. And off course the resolution is too big for the screen. When will it work in 240x320 again?

I also don't have a software keyboard since a couple of builds, is that a known bug/feature!

Keep up the good work guys, we're getting there!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] bluenfee:
Trying out the new ROM. I'm unable to sign into google sync. Togga is working with an internet connection. Tested out the browser to make sure. Going to try again in the morning. Any tips?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] djmp89:
just a little one but when i try to type Fn + Q which should be @ i get ! instead. I dunno if this is a locale thing with the keyboard layout? I'm in the UK, does anyone else get this problem?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] k0l0r3k:
Ok, i just downloaded version 23-02-09 and...

still have problem with logging to google sync, internet working fine...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] bally3:
if the only file thats changed is the initrd, would someone post it up please?

I'm in Manchester today so using 3g connection.

Thanks! :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Cryonic90:
Here's the initrd for the ones who don't want to download the whole file ;)

http://rapidshare.com/files/201506987/initrd.gz
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Smultie:
Is that always the normal way to upgrade to a new version? Just overwrite the initrd.gz?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] imfloflo:
Hey great release, works fine on the Polaris can we have keyboard integrate to input all fields to setup connection cause Q&DKeyboard don't allow me to clear password field.

It seems this release is a little slowly don't know why maybe a spécific value in Default.txt
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Smultie:
Hmm, just found out that incoming calls won't work when the phone is in "sleep-mode".
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] TaC:
I just did a clean install from dzo's latest package, and it's qvga. How do you get the scaled resolution?? Are you merging packages?

In this install, appstore works, but i can't download anything (it keeps "ongoing"), and calendar doesn't work, so, how can you sync it?

Edit: I think i downloaded the wrong file. Gonna try again... :P
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Michel82:
Had this problem too: select all in the password field and use the wheel to paste from Q&D, overwriting the current password worked.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] AciDCooL:
I tested it overnight and I have to say its awsome release it has only used 30% instead of draining my entire battery :D

But the vertical line issue is back :(.. It definatly has something todo with the power collapse on a kaiser 130..

Still awsome release but sticking with winmo until these vertical lines are gone
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] KeizerBAAS:
Mods, please ban this user.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] djmp89:
My problem is it seems to d/c me at around 400kb and the download fails. I have downloaded a few smaller apps and these work but it always disconnects when it gets to a certain size! I'm on orange uk, i assume if i can download at all then all my apn settings are ok?

Also, I have set sleepmode=0 and after leaving my phone a while I tried to reply to a text and it wont send even though my signal and connection are fine?

Is anyone getting the same problems as me?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] TaC:
I downloaded the right files, and now i get the new resolution (its good for me). I get data connection without Togga, and i can sign in Gmail and calendar through browser. BUT, when i try to do it through Calendar or Gmail app (or Market), i can't sign in my google account. It try connecting during 1 minute, and then gives me "There is a problem communicating with the Google servers" error.

Any idea?

P.S.: VERY GOOD JOB, DZO. THANKS.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] a.s.j:
ooops... Mods, that one was double post because of connection lag.. can you delete that? It seems that even author can not delete its own post?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] a.s.j:
Well I do not care now about the blurred display, who cares? :D I don't, I do not even really realise the slow down.. :)

To the point. I downloaded Power manager from Market and it shows GPS and Cell Location services on at the boot up time (can be switched of there) and WiFi and Bluetooth off (if you switch them on, there is no way to switch them off, cause thery never really ansver the application with the state.

But that is really wonderful piece :) you should use it and maybe it would be nice to put it in as standard app. :) I just do not know how to download the stuff to get it out of the Android to SD..

Anyway, so far it seems to be working well for me, I have to make some more testing after my batery fully charges, but what is annoying is, that the signal fails every now and then, disconnecting me from internet and perhaps it would also break any call pending. Did anyone get taht one? Did anyone experienced some network or call breakdowns caused by that?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] poly_poly-man:
btw: although the network indicator says "G", the speed test I got consistently gets about 768KBPS - 3G speeds.

So, we don't have to get edge/3g to work - we just need to know if they are or not :P
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] KeizerBAAS:
Noticed this as well, and as I mentioned before, I think the SDK doesn't show 3G icon at all..
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] a.s.j:
Well, now I am lost, without any reason (no new app installed or setting changed) Android refuses to boot any more. I have blinking logo, then it stays still for a moment, disappears for a second just to get back in the very next one..

Is there a way to get some data out so see what happened? Or will I have to reloas some file? data.img perhaps? That will cause me to start from the beginning with all the setup and syncing etc. Right?

EDIT: By the way first time it did when booting connected to recharger, after that it is crippled. I'll try to reload whole Android to see if that happends again.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] a.s.j:
I can confirm the vertical lines issue is still present... so it was not there if there was no powercollapse. dzo, what do you exactly do to powercollapse? Where can we lok for the problem so special for model 130?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] adamc118:
Multi-Touch

Dzo please try to incorporate multi-touch into your future releases.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] a.s.j:
RE: Multitouch

This is IMHO not possible, because the touchscreen is not multitouch ready, but I am not sure about that... that is just my guess...

But I would say, that it will never work, same as you'll never be able to use G-sensor based apps, because your phone just does not have G-sensor...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] KeizerBAAS:
Again, I've got KAIS130 and no vertical line appeared in my Android unless I draw it myself in BlueBrush...

This makes me think it's not a KAIS130 related problem, but something else...

My specs:

Tmobile MDA Vario III (Kais130)

ROM: Hyperdragon III

HardSPL 3.29

Radio: 1.71....

Android build of today...

I'm not sure how to find out, but different versions of touchscreens have been built into different Kaisers, maybe even within the same model group...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] KeizerBAAS:
I would immediately buy the extendable accelerometer that you plug into the mini-usb... as soon as some belkin type company would think of producing it...(!)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] bluenfee:
Trying out the new ROM. Can't sign into google. Getting a connection error. Togga is running properly and I can browse the web. Any suggestions?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] a.s.j:
well.. what do you think then? What can be the reason? where should we start to look for that? and how? It never happend on KAIS100, but often on KAIS130, would you think that even the 130 can have more than 1 revision?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] astrocrep:
Feature Loss

From DZO 2-21 to 2-23...

Pressing and holding a key for delayed key repeat no longer works...

Long key press for power off and task switcher still works.

Thanks,
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] assangflexx:
VERY WEIRD!

downloaded the latest package from dzo. (23-02)

Than I tried to boot linux, get the following message in Command line: Waiting for PPP for every 5 lines there appear an line somthing with android_power than date+time

Linux command was given, SH: Can't acces tty

Tried the APN settings to this three different types.

- APN: internet

- Username: KPN

- Password: gprsHi

- APN: internet

- Username: KPN

- Password: gprs

If above doesn't work

APN: portalmmm.nl

Account Name: [leave empty]

Password: [leave empty]

Even tried to remove APN. With none of this line.

I'am sorry for myself. :( Was thinking to backup my own Default.txt or just replace with DZO version. Did the second option.

If any dutch person with KPN (or other provider) can share his default.txt with me. That would be very nice :rolleyes:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] eddythepeddy:
Or get one of the SIMSense cards. Just introduced at the mobile show in Barcelona; the first motion-sensing SIM card on the planet!:)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] adthor:
Running with 23 Feb pack OK on O2(UK) on xda stellar

Only changed the apn setting in default.txt to mobile.o2.co.uk

No changes to APN in android

With OUT starting togga - Connected to web OK

Conected to google maps OK - and updated location sucessfully.

No G on top of screen.

Dial out to make call OK.

Running Athena OS ME (22-01-09) Hard Spl 3.29 Radio 1.65.24.26

3G disabled in winmo
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] assangflexx:
WHATTEHECK

I tried this on work,

now i am home, download the package again, replaced all the files on storage card. Booted with pm.sleep_mode=2 instead of 1. Again it says, can't acces tty, waiting for ppp. Desperate was searching in topic if someone had the same problem or something, suddenly it booted :D.

[Edit]

Wifi doens't seem to work
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] knytphal:
I've tried with both of those settings on my Tilt and still get the wrong keypad input. It's kind of strange. I wish they would have just sent the US the same stinking keypad as everybody else.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] shadowline:
I have an accelerometer on my tilt. I thought everyone did? all you need is a little imagination (a wiimote) and some duct tape. :D