yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] schettj:
Try it. It's pretty obvious once you do what the answers are :D

1 - right

2 - rightish, although haret really boots linux from inside of WinMo, *replacing* winmo completely in memory.

3 - very much not bug free, as it's not even the latest android build

4 - A) that's how you boot vi haret, B) AT&T works for voice, data but only as well as it works C) Not yet D) beats me, this is not a job for anyone...

How's that?

In summery, you can use this right now to "see" android running on a device. Not a lot of android, and its buggy, but it works well enough to impress your friends and quench your thirst for such things. It's not yet a replacement OS for a phone for actual daily use, and its unclear when, or even if, it ever will be.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Akya:
So where can we find .9 or 1.? cause every time i look for it i just end up at the kaiser bootkit page... cause im booting .8 too then.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] mdelleman:
So what's the latest on this port?

I have .9 up on my kaiser but it doesn't do much. Can't take a call and cant make a call with audio. It locks and resets when I try to most things with it. BUT it looks great and is fun to show to ppl. Thanks for your work!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] slovoflud:
Xmoo, I think name of the thread is a bit too confusing :)))

what's the progress with that little secret? :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] mrpotts:
Thanks schettj. I appreciate your time. A bit discouraging though as I am looking for a replacement for Windows Mobile. I would prefer to be done with it. So no one is really using Android as there primary communication OS? Is any continuing wor being done or have people moved on to another device? Also, what happened to the great donation debate earlier in this post regarding that mystery man who was coding up a full version quietly behind the forum member badbrad4080?

I spent to much on this phone to change it out now. Plus I'm outta work since June 1st so I couldn't anyway :<

Thanks all,

Phil
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] cboy007:
bradbrad's friend should still be working on the drivers...should be finished soon. people are still working on porting android to the kaiser...which should be made easier once people get their paws on the first offical android phone - the G1. we should have android running in a few weeks or a month or two.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] xspeed9190:
HMM

so lets say i was able to get my hands on a G1 now, what exactly would you guys need. I might work for a company that will sell the g1 oct 22. and random store mangers where given the phone ALREADY to use secretly.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] mdelleman:
we need a rom dump from the phone. i'm not sure how you would obtain this from the g1, if it the same as the kaiser or other htc phones or not, but i'm sure someone from here would.

go here and post and someone will tell you, this would be huge for the android project!!!!

http://xdaforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=448
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] xmoo:
Changed topic name. To make it all clear.

0.8 works but 0.9 & 1.0 not yet. Some problems with sd and ram.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] rfarnell:
Thought you all might find the T-mobile online interactive demo of the G1 interesting

http://tmobile.modeaondemand.com/htc/g1/

Not all features in the emulator work, but it does give you a good idea of Android's look and feel.

Just click on the emulator link.

Rob
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] dagentooboy:
If you can get to a shell you could just DD the whole file system. something like

dd if=/dev/sda | tar -??? /sdcard/dump.tar

Just a thought... then we could dd it back to an SD card or something and have all the files :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] mrpotts:
Go Go GADGET COPTER!! Man, wouldn't it be great to have a fully functional ROM Android on these Kaisers!! And be done with the warthog WinMobile:eek:. Unfortunately, I am not a cook, but count me in for a donation should I get it up & running on my phone.

Cheers,

Phil :cool:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] fireweed:
I'd pay to see that
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] tyeo098:
DONT SAY THAT!

We've just gotten rid of that last problem...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] -888-:
this might be good idea :)

I'll see what I get tomorrow (everybody think I work so hard while I'm just torturing my kaiser all the time lately ;) )
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] jug6ernaut:
I would to, defently
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] hotadef:
android on kaiser wow that would really be great. this will make this one of the most upgraded gadgets ever
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] jug6ernaut:
Just thought i would bring this back to the front page :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] fireweed:
Can anyone clearly define what would need to happen to have a fully functioning version of Android working on the Kaiser? What are the major hurdles?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] dwaradzyn:
Read README.txt from first post. The major problem now is DMA issue with SD. After overcoming that one it will be possible to run full 1.0 on Kaisers.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] raymondf13:
G1 ROM for Kaiser

Guys, I am a T-Mobile employee and I went to the event in New York. Its not surprising for somebody to have the phone right now, but luckily somebody who reads the forums haves one!!

I used to follow the Kaisers ROM development until I sold it. Now I have the G1

I will gladly dump the rom and help this community if somebody told me how to do so.

Reply to this message and please send me a email to raymonf13@gmail.com with instructions on how to do it and I will do it tonight EST after work.

Thanks!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] OnebadMF:
This would be pretty sweet, I messed around with the G1 simulator on Tmobile website... Looks slick as hell
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] slovoflud:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=435193

check this thread
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] dagentooboy:
I posted my best guess here

As far as the radio I have no clue but a fs dump would be really nice...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] biscuits1978:
Okay, I tried to read through the many many posts, and I've gathered that the right type of ROM will allow the current build of Android to work with the radio to make phone calls, etc.

So since everytime I load up my copy of Android, I am still unable to make phone calls, which ROM works with it?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] shadowline:
Its not a ROM that does it. Though some help boot it more than others. You need the latest files and a working 3g network for it to work. and i use the term work, very loosely.. :P
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] biscuits1978:
That would explain it - T-Mobile US and 3G on a Kaiser, that's a dream I don't see coming true anytime soon.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] dcordes:
edit: hi everybody :)

the phone stuff in android on kaiser is "only" a matter of fixing the bits of code (the ril library) that connect the different programs like dialer, sms, contacts, etc. with the modem software. it only works with 3g now because dzo made that code originally for the vogue which has a different chipset (msm7500 for cdma networks). so only a few modem specific things work on the kaiser in (the current) android image.

the part that really matters, the device drivers work 100% ok.

I'm currently focusing on the NAND (internal rom) driver, which was basically working all the time but nobody tried or thought of it. it only needs some device specific data (partition table). as soon as it works you can boot all kinds of stuff from it (yes, also android 1.0 rootfilesystems). I hope we can get it working soon.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] hjlow:
good news, thanks for the update, and good luck
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] mrpotts:
Thanks for that. Very kind of you.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] biscuits1978:
Not to revisit a sore subject, but weren't we told a couple of weeks ago from someone that we would have something for our Kaisers that would greatly aid in pushing a working copy of Android to our phones?...for around 300 bucks? lol :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] loserskater:
ya... what ever happened to that? haha!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] guevr001:
08 works? can we get an update on first post on "08" plus it would be a good idea to post the progress on porting the g1 rom to kaiser thats
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] xmoo:
Gonna fix post 1. But this is no rom porting thread. This is android 0.9/1.0 working on kaiser with your own rom, booted by HaReT.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] cijoml:
Can you specify which vanilla driver is the one which you are trying to tune/improve?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Gozzy69a:
Anyone know when this is sheduled to be finished? I wanna get rid of this kaiser, but I might just hold onto it for a little longer....

Shot.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] slovoflud:
same boat :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] hafan:
is any chance that kaiser will be boot without Haret?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] aximilation:
I'm pretty sure it'll be out eventually, once the G1 comes out Oct 22nd and is readily available we should have a dump sooner or later, after that it's just about getting everything hooked up correctly.

That's what I'm hoping at least, if nothing else then a more functional version of android through haret.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] DJ_Steve:
im probably going to look into 0.9/1.0 aswell see if i can come up with any ways of 'persuading' it to work, ive got rather a good experiance in linux currently so able to help. not going to promise though, can anyone give me an update on what version work and what needs fixing etcetc so i can look more
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] echofloripa:
Hi Steve

Thanks for the offer, you should be able to find those answers at the README provided in the following address:

http://linuxtogo.org/~lgorris/kaiser-bootkit/README.txt

There is the wiki also, but aparently the README seems liek it was updated more recently.

http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Kaiser#Android
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] dcordes:
msm_nand. the device specific part is

arch/arm/mach-msm/nand-partitions.c

@DJ_Steve latest patches and git repositories are linked in README.txt
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] internetadam4657:
hey guys, maybe somebody could try emailing engadget? they have a g1 in hand and even have released their review already. maybe they can help us out and dump the rom for us. :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] graey:
I thought of that too, but one thing is a problem here: How do you dump the rom from a device that has a completely different OS than what we usually dump ROMs from? :P
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Raceit:
I think somebody already mentioned this, but if there is a way to mount this phone in a low-level manner in Linux than you can use the dd command. That will give you an exact copy sector by sector. I'm sure it will be easier said then done though as far as how to mount the device.

edit: Related thread...

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=431115
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] jug6ernaut:
Where are we at currently on this project? Are waiting for the dump of the G1?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Gorguts:
Greetings

Why do they say this is only for Kaiser and then you go on youtube and people are running it on the tilt?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] cboy007:
....because they are the same phone? it just has multiple personalities disorder. sorry.

what i meant was same phone, many different names, depending on who's selling it.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] pyraxiate:
Maybe because a tilt is the US ATT Branded Kaiser?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] herczyn:
there are more differences than that (front camera for instance), but still - almost the same phone.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Bartuk:
hey ppl

i was just reading the README.txt from:http://linuxtogo.org/~lgorris/kaiser-bootkit/

and in the Breaking news theres first the line:

and some lines later i read:

so whats the case now?

i can boot from sd card now or what?

and if yes why cant we boot android 1.0?

greetz
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] nvmkpk:
SDcard boot works. However, don't try to watch a movie.

Android needs kernel to boot. And that is not yet ready. Neither HTC nor Google is going to build it. The people in this community are working on it.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Gousgounis:
Wifi

Is it possible now to run aircrack-ng on kaiser?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] jug6ernaut:
idk what the question or answer means honestly....but that pic is funny lol
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] AciDCooL:
lol apperently I deleted my comment when I added the picture..

But asking for aircrack is a bit pointless if the entire OS is still in development.

If he had pulled his head out of the sand and read this thread he wouldn't have asked this.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] mike123456:
Hold on to that picture, we may need it again :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] dcordes:
why not? I hope we can get the wifi working as soon as whatever instance of google is so kind to release the (device specific) kernel source code for the dream/g1 phone.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] AciDCooL:
True, bit sad that wifi isn't working currently and aircrack can be a bit picky about the wifi chipset so don't get everyones hopes up just yet :P
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] phouki:
G1 Rom Dump

Look here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=437703

G1 Rom Dump Link:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/b5jqzk

http://rapidshare.com/files/155612986/Android_dump.rar

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ACC600V0

http://www.4shared.com/file/67567519/7664a2d8/Android_dump.html
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Michael.Bourn:
Hooo Raaaa

who da man? YOU da man

downloading now (along with 50 others) :D

Edit: Oops, spoke to soon.... you still da man but dump is incomplete :(
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] milas:
Are the 7200 and 7201A similar enough that with a complete dump the changes will be trivial to getting a reasonably stable system together? I'm assuming the chipsets are probably the same, just with different RAM/processor/etc. Is that correct?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] dcordes:
yea only minor differences. it's not about the filesystem shipped on the g1 phone but more about the source code to the kernel running on it. and this will sure help us with kaiser (also older htc devices also using ti chip wifi) wifi and probably also other drivers. but I'm almost certain it won't magically fix the sd drivers. barry already has the relevant sd code and he said it didn't help.

edit: google devs say the g1 kernel sources will be available in one day so we will soon see if it brings any news to the kaiser/polaris despite wifi driver.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] slovoflud:
i've got a question - will it take another huge project like this to port android to HTC Touch Pro?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] TripleQ:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=402002

See this topic..

Diamond/Touch pro are the same hardware...(with some diffrence) but both diamond/touch pro people are posting there..
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] slovoflud:
oh, Great! :) thanks!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] cyberazi:
i am soo waiting to jump on to a working andoid port.. Win mo is totally lagging
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] webvan:
Haven't looked at this topic for a while and last I tried it in June there was no connectivity, I looked at the first message but I'm not sure it has changed since the files here http://linuxtogo.org/~lgorris/kaiser-bootkit/ are not reallly recent.

Can someone shed some (quick) light? Thanks !
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] silasrye:
G1 rom dump

found this posted about 2 hours ago...?

http://rs540.rapidshare.com/files/155612986/Android_dump.rar

ok found where it came from, sorry to link back or what ever, but

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=431115&page=7
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] sswalia:
hey dcordes,

How did tweaking the NAND driver go. Last time i looked in this thread, you said you were reasonably close to getting those set up for the kaiser? Any Luck?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] milas:
Is there something fundamentally different about the Kaiser's SD controller versus the G1's?

Also, has Google specified/does anyone know whether they're using binary blobs for drivers (for WiFi)?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] stuff:
I haven't checked this out in a while.

If the screen accuracy fixed? Last I knew the touch screen actually pressed lower than you did
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] stuff:
Almost been a month.

Just saying
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] feicher:
c'mon what did you expect from a guy who goes by the name of "bad" brad, :D ? "nomen est omen" to say it with a latin proverb. He didn't say smart brad, though.

cheers.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] noodlesgc:
Hey guys, thanks for the work on getting android on the Kaisar.

Why do have all this about ROM dumps? Just grab the source @ http://source.android.com/download
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Buzbe:
open sourced...

Android has just been completely open sourced..

It should "just work" on kaisers........anyone willing to give it a go??
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] tramane:
DAMN beat me to it!!

YES ANDROID US oh great ones!!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] noodlesgc:
Wait, you mean that Android has not been completely open source all this time?

I thought that Android has always been open source. Now I'm just really confused.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Buzbe:
is anyone going to try and compile this tonight?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] dubbeld00:
"Everything is there, from the bootloader all the way up to the applications"...

(Source)

So we can say goodbye to Windows Mobile? Currently we have to run an application (haret) which will boot Android... hopefully they get it all working!

Don't know what to say, if it's really gonna work: AMAZING! bye bye windows!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] dot.treo:
It was announced that source code will be released sometime, but it has not been available. So for the time it was until now it was not quite "open".
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] soulbandaid:
Android is out

The source is out!

http://source.android.com/

Programmers, tweakers, countrymen, go nuts. I promise to donate to the first person who makes android run well on my kaiser. Thank you so much for your existing contributions.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] stelph:
The possibility of Android on the HTC Touch HD just got a little closer, may have just had an accident, sorry about that :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] hotadef:
wow this is what i like to hear cant wait to put android on my kaiser, but id love to see what it would do on my dash just to see how it would work on lessor hardware. and cuz i love my dash lol.

oh and i will make donation to the first stable build. and will continue to make donations for an unspecfied amount of time lol.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] biscuits1978:
I think I'm definitely on that bandwagon. Even more so if a 'dual-boot' bootloader could be made!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] noodlesgc:
Now that is just odd, I had no idea that the android source had not been publicly released, and I was looking around for an alternative to WM6.1 and stumbled upon this thread. Oddly enough the source was released just minutes before my registration and post.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Buzbe:
Pledges For Android

Everyone please release their pledges for a fully working version of andoird..

heres mine $30...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] BigMango:
Wow, a complete open linux distribution for the mobile phone. Awesome.

Does this mean we will also be able to update the OS directly from the phone with an auto-update feature (like other linux distros do) and have a package management system with repositories to install/update apps from the phone? :eek: :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] xECK29x:
I pledge $50 to get a dual bootloader with a repo.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] slovoflud:
Omg Omg Omg!!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] shuren:
this thing gets better n better especially google already announce that its available for public used, can't wait to see i ported to Kaiser :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] cyberazi:
wohoo finally.. so i guess android on kaiser say in a month???
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] l3it3r:
I want it on my Hermes too. I'm planning on buying the Raphael here in a month or so, but I want to have it on my Hermes.. with the Source freely available, what's holding us back?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] dot.treo:
AFAIK only the Linux Kernel that Android uses was open source from the beginning.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] xmoo:
BRO. The new one has the world clock and sms. And it shows the cyclone in the begin @ boot.

I found out that everytime I clear my temp. Android boots up....

Mayb this can do something about out!!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] slovoflud:
can you tell me how? which Dir?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] CaliTilt:
Using the initrd-android from the Vogue and latest zImage (03-06-08), Andriod has been working for over 30 minutes. The back button and Keyboard are working with this combination. We need to talk to the Massey guys to get our Radio working.

Keep up the good work and thank you

_________________________________________________

HTC AT&T Tilt

SPL: HardSPL v1

OS: Windows Mobile 6.1

Rom: L26_Kaiser_Diamond_V5 (Hybrid 3.29.707)

Date Rom: 06/02/2008

Radio: 1.65.16.25
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] xmoo:
Dutty's rom has a app called ClearTemp. Just run that one. And HaReT boots Android.

Edited post #2 with image. So ppl know wich button does what....
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] vj4:
yer i know but it wasnt booting. got the today/yesturdays z image and no back button there was one a while back i was using that made the ok the back button was good gunna go dig it out again.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] xmoo:
Don't get it....

But with the latest rom. The ok key on the d-pad is the back button!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] wally21:
Yes that is were i'am talking about. but so far the zImage is good for me boots every time:D But still freez some times
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] slovoflud:
Dutties ClearTemp>

i'm on his LITE ROM :)