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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] vj4:
this is far from semi stable. it dont boot every time hangs loads and has no radio if u call that semi stable i never wanna go near enyhing u help build :p
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] jchang320:
Hi, thanks a lot for the organized layout. I've downloaded everything, but when I run Android from Program -> Accessories, I get an error message saying "Please set start of ram (RAMADDR)" Has anybody gotten here before?

Thanks a lot!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] darkomen:
Internet Connection Sharing

What about internet connection sharing with linux pc's and laptops. Is that possible by using android w/o going through the many hoops you have to with WM and Linux?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] herg62123:
the reason i want to know on how to assemble apps and pictures is i am trying to copy manila to older devices. as i was going through the dll files i found out that half the files are linux based. i know windows uses some dll files that are linux based but as i started digging deeper and reading about android with all possibilities, i am thinking that manila aka touchflo 3d is a type of android ui app. if i send someone that knows android to look at the files i have, can you confirm this to be true or not.

ps-thanks xmoo for pointing me to this thread.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] taylor310:
I'm just saying that cause it hasn't ever not loaded for me and doesn't crash THAT often. :D

I just wish I could make calls heh.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] mriebeling:
Finally Booted

I am using Leo's L26 Diamond v5, never fully booted until I installed the newest beta Haret.

Looking forward to updates, thanks for the great work!

Interested to see what this hardware can do with a decent operation system.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] shadowline:
I have tried using the android initrd on the vogue page, with the latest haret, and the newest zimage, and have had 100% success booting android on the may 22 duttys and the apr 29th duttys, along with the stock at&t rom. And running from the sd card in all cases. And also all 3 are different tilt phones.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] ryoojin83:
Billed?

Someone mentioned this earlier but...

I have also had an unknown Charge to my AT&T bill about the time I started getting internet to work on my phone. I have not yet verified that this is due to android, but I have emailed AT&T about it, and I expect a reply within 2 days. The company was m-Qube, or something like that. If any of you know anything about this company, it would be interesting to hear.

EDIT: It might be totally unrelated, which would make it awkward to post to all of you, but I was only charged once, and in November
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] tembares:
How to close a program

I was running a lot of programs in Android today.

I installed NetMeter and saw my CPU has a load of 100% all the time.

When restarting Android it is about 5-7% but starting a program does increase the load.

Holding the 'home'-key in the homescreen for a second, gives me a window with the latest six programs a ran. But also here I can not close running programs.

I also waited about 1 hour, but still no luck.

Anyone an idea how to close them?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] KeizerBAAS:
I would try it with the ppp.username and password 'internet' included in the default.txt because I think its needed by the kernel in order to get Android to connect to the hardware.. make sure you have an active data connection in winmo before booting up android
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] KeizerBAAS:
Android keeps the latest 6 programs active, and kills the oldest when starting up the seventh... I would suggest to start up 6 progs that don't use that much of the memory, and then it would kill the ones that slow it up due to the big load...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] echofloripa:
A bit toff-topic, but just a tought: android really needed a more clear task manager. This policy of killing the seventh and older just doesn't make sense, I'd like to be able to open programs and close programs myself....
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] radem205:
You can close programs when you go to "Settings -> Applications -> Manage Applications" and press the application you want to close. After this you can close the program by clicking on "close".
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] KeizerBAAS:
In a way it absolutely makes sense, that is: unlike iPhone which kills everything emidiately when switching to something else, Android is able to have background running apps, which speeds up access for frequently used apps. The killing process is in place to maintain performance.

I agree that it might be a good idea to implement a possibility to ´not kill certain apps´ or something, but I´m sure this will be included in newer versions...

lol on the side: I started to use Android buttons in winmo... seems like I´m getting more and more Anrdroidized...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] echofloripa:
In that sense I agree, but it could be like the pre, that you have instant access to all running apps.

On a side note, the links on the other thread are not working... Can someone who's got write access to the thread to add this link there too?

http://www.aximilation.com/xdaspace/kaiser_files/012309 - AndroidSMS1-23.zip
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] hjlow:
more hosting

i put up a mirror of latest files at http://kaiserroms.blogspot.com

any future releases to be mirrorred just PM me :)

great work so far !
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Lemmy1:
First of all: Thanks a lot to the people working on this. Watching progress is so much more fun than walking into a T-Mobile store and buying a G1 :-)

BTW...I noticed that the CaffeineMark scores I get on the Kaiser are nearly identical to the G1 ones. My scores are:

Sieve: 465

Loop: 550

Logic: 392

String: 429

Float: 341

Method: 397

Overall: 424

The G1 scores (stolen from http://www.anddev.org/so_what_are_the_caffeinemark_results_for_the_g1-t3573.html):

Sleve score = 458 (98)

Loop score = 546 (2017)

Logic score = 390 (0)

String score = 516 (708)

Float score = 343 (185)

Method score = 398 (166650)

Overall score = 436

I guess those little differences are just measuring tolerance.

It would be interesting to run the CaffeineMark on the regular Java Runtime on Windows Mobile to see how well Dalvik performs. I tried creating a J2ME package, but couldn't get it working. I will maybe write my own little Java Benchmark someday to make this comparison.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] echofloripa:
from scratch...

Hi

In my first try of running the last version I related the problems here:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=3216777&postcount=2366

I decided then to start from scratch:

- Removed the old android files

- got the zip from : http://www.aximilation.com/xdaspace/kaiser_files/012309 - AndroidSMS1-23.zip

- expanded directly in my SD

- Startet PIE. google page, and then haret, listen for connection and then boot.

* APN: As I understand, the APN needs to be changed for each mobile company, can someone correct me on this? Is there anyone with UK config? What about adding this on the wiki? Someone could create an android app to read this "database" and set those accordingly. As I mentioned, I tried just changing the APN to general.t-mobile.uk.

* Network operators: Is this necessary? When I go in there (settings->wireless controls->mobiles networks->network operators) I get:

"Error while searching"

* Black screen: after my re-install, android keeps going in backscreen

* '?' signal: This is show between the signal and the time at the top left. I believe I should have the 3g signal there. Right?

I'm using radio 1.71.09.01 and ROM from pdacorner V16. I think I will try to install another ROM, I saw a few people with the HyperDragon III Raphael had success, so I will try it.

Regards

Emerson
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] radem205:
It's the battery indicator. The battery level isn't working yet.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] tembares:
@radem205

Sorry, but I only see the uninstall button.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] KeizerBAAS:
There really isn´t any need to go to the google page first... just make sure you have an active data connection before booting with haret.

Can you make calls? Otherwise make sure you turn of your SIM PIN in winmo. Further make sure default.txt has a ppp username and password that works..

Left from the signal bar, you should get the ´g´ icon with two arrows that will light up for up and down traffic.

Look up the right apn settings from t-mobile. I´ve got only APN, username, password, MCC and MNC set up.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] echofloripa:
Well, after installing hyperdragon (III Raphael), it continues to fail to connect to 3g.

I remember reading a while ago about having to remove the pin from the simcard? That's that have anything to do to get a 3g connection or not?

regards

Emerson
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] KeizerBAAS:
It´s got everthing to do with connecting to your network...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Lemmy1:
Benchmark round 2. I ported some Java Benchmarks from http://dada.perl.it/shootout/ to both J2ME (Windows Mobile) and Android (APK). Here are some first results (all run on Kaiser):

Test J2ME Windows Mobile Android Factor
Ackermann 304ms 2036ms 6,7
Matrix 1310ms 4245ms 3,2
ObjInst 1044ms 3322ms 3,2

So, yes Android Java is damn slow so probably all those cool graphic effects are done on lower levels.

This is still cool - it is the first time dalvik can actually be compared to another Java Runtime on the same cpu.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] tembares:
Phone and GPRS

There is one thing I do not understand.

When I have an active data connection @ WinMob and wants to make a phone call, my GPRS and HSDPA connection will be closed automatically.

Using Android and 'making a phone call' (I only have one way, speaker PPC does not work) does not disconnect the data connection.

How is this possible? Is WinMob that bad? As far as I know you can only have GSM voice or GPRS.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] echofloripa:
- The data connection was there.

- Yes I can make calls, so this might not be the problem.

- I can't get any 'g' icon.

Tell me one thing, the 'g' comes after togga works right? For togga to work is it only the ppp.* properties that need to be set right? Or also the APN?

From what I've read, in t-mobile uk you can even use empty ppp.username and passwords, and I also used user/wap, wap/wap, but all to no avail.

The APN I'm sure I'm using the right ones: from (here)

GPRS APN address: general.t-mobile.uk

Username : user

Password: wap

Anyone else from t-mobile uk to give me a help on this? I really can't wait to start using it properly with connection!!! :)

thanks

emerson
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] echofloripa:
Yes, but then if I can make calls but not 3G then this probably is not the problem right?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] KeizerBAAS:
Just trying to help figurin out what's going wrong.

But it seems it's a bit harder than we think... can't help you any further this way...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] eezak:
echofloripa, i had the same kind of problem with my provider that required a blank user/pass.

Try using your APN name as your username and password, it worked for me.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] l3it3r:
I'm going to make a video of what's working for me. I'll post it up tonight.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] aximilation:
If I'm correct, that charge would be MBLOX, a $9.99 charge? If so, that's a subscription you or someone on your plan started when downloading a "free ringtone" or something like that. Dang fine print...I got them to reverse that as well as block any future purchases of that nature. AT&T (or any carrier) shouldn't really be able to tell what kind of phone you have (other than what they *think* you have) let alone know what you're doing with your phone. Let us know though...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] shadowline:
They can tell what type of phone you have now, but not what software it is running. But they rarely would check it and it really wouldnt make a difference if you even randomly appeared on their network with a G1 or a tilt.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] l3it3r:
OK, this is kind of basic, but sometimes it's nice to go over the basics just in case someone misses something.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRNrQVV4g3I

I'm actually recording a video which will be more in depth right now. Might not be done until tomorrow
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Diablohtr:
WOW! Android > WM. Awesome work fellas... Hats off to ya.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] wazz999:
Dual Boot

Hi All,

I know this is only my second post, but Ive been around for a while now... lurking.:D

Anyway, I know this has been discussed, but it was way before Android was as stable as it is now. But what would the chances of a dual boot system happening now be? Before you all start hammering me, let me explain.

I know haret shuts winmo down when you hit the run button, I know that it is exactly like you are booting straight into Android, but...

I personally see haret as being a form of virtual machine, Ive never been able to set up a virtual machine properly - as in, it never runs as smoothly as a full on install. There is always something "missing". And yes, sometimes it seems to be quicker than an install.

Even though haret shuts winmo down, why do we have to make sure there s an active connection in it before we start android. If haret shuts winmo down, surely that connection is severed when the os goes down.

Maye some of the bottlenecks/problems are with the winmo/haret/android relatonship.

If you know what I mean...

If someone could come up with a dual boot system, pm me, I will happily be a guinea pig...:D

By the way, dzo's latest build boots 100% every time for me, running on the stock Htc rom and radio, off a 1gb (fat32) sd card.

Just my 10c...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] mburris:
This is NOT a virtual machine. It is actually jumping from the Windows Mobile kernel to the 100% Linux kernel. There is no virtualization, no trace of Windows Mobile anywhere once the linux kernel takes over.

For a direct boot option to work, we would need to modify the SPL. Now we already know that when the SPL is running it DOES have access to the microSD driver and therefore can access data on a microSD card, because we are able to flash our ROM/Radio with the image on card method.

There should be 2 different flavors of the modified Android SPL loader.

Option 1 would allow only direct booting to android. The modified SPL will look for the presense of the zImage (the android kernel file) and if it is present, android will load directly, if not present, Window mobile will be booted directly. This first option allows for no user interaction.

Option 2 will allow for the user to choose which OS to boot to. If the SPL finds the zImage file on the SD card, then it will present the user with an option, Press Green Call button for android -or- Press Red End button for Windows Mobile. If no SD card/no zImage file on card is present, then it will default to directly boot into WinMO with no prompts.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] KeizerBAAS:
Haret is just a bootloader that runs under winmo. It shuts down winmo OS, not the hardware (otherwise it would be like a softreset) and boots the linux kernel. On top of that as you can see in the default.txt it boots Android. The picture in the first post explains how Android runs on top of this linux kernel.

Because the linux kernel is still very much in development, it has not yet the capability to ´start´ the hardware for the data connection, therefore it must be activated in winmo before booting linux/android. The kernel is now able to ´talk´ to the hardware, and read what it says, therefore Android can use this capability to have the dataconnection for browsing and so on.

Until this linux kernel is fully developed, we will not see a single linux boot nor a dual winmo/linux boot. The devs are working on every detail, which entails more than just booting linux directly.

Hope this clarifies a little bit that there´s a long way to go before what you´re mentioning is going to be real...

edit: you beat me to it mburris, hope I still add some clarification
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] tembares:
Continued: Dual boot

I agree with KeizerBAAS, but...

On the same day wazz999 was looking for dual boot options, I was looking also for the same option. I Googled the whole internet. Dcordes told me a long time ago there was a project, but I could not found it anymore. Maybe dcordes knows what I mean.

Reading wazz999 post I was also thinking about the loss of internet connection. But besides that, I really would like to have the option to put in my SD card and run Android. Also yesterday, I was testing all sort of zImage's where my phone works 100%. To test I have to start Windows Mobile first, run Haret and test. It would be handier (if this is an English word or is it 'more handy') and easier when I could take out my SD card, copy the zImage on my PC and put ik back; soft reset and see if that zImage was better for me.

This SPL, has this already been developed or is someone already working on this? Noooooo... Sorry, I do not have the knowledge to develop ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] bally3:
some good ideas about dual booting, but as users above have pointed out we're a bit way off yet where boot methods will be considered due to stability and performance issues (power, backlight etc) which are currently being addressed.

Shadowline, your files have enabled my Polaris to see the sim contacts which I couldnt before, you mentioned the data.img and I noticed some differences like the addition of paths /Storage card/data.img etc. that we didnt have in the original default.txt file. Any ideas whats changed?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] lyka:
On the other thread, mburris wrote:

can someone add these few lines and recompile please?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] poly_poly-man:
I have made the changes, but I'm not sure how to recompile - how do you tell the android repo to build properly? simplky make provides images that do not boot.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] eezak:
http://vogue-android.blogspot.com/2009/01/source-for-changes.html
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Magister2k7:
Actually he wrote what I posted some time ago.

Ok... if you only need to fix orientation, then:

1) Get source (you already have it)

2) Make that change

3) Build it

4) Extract your's system.img (mount and copy files to some dir)

5) Find compiled android.policy.jar and copy it over extracted one

6) Create new system.img with mkcramfs

That's all.

--

As f00bar wrote, the problem is that system.img is created with wrong permissions at some files. So you can try to fix them if you want completely new image.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] echofloripa:
still not connecting...

Well, I'm still envying you guys as I can't make this connection to work...

Log:Is there any way to check the log of the connection from togga? Or what ever uses the ppp.* properties.

Is that on one of the images? Gonna restart in ubuntu now to open the image and look for it.

Is it togga that uses the ppp.username and ppp.password?

In settings->wireless controls->Mobile network-> network operators, what does it show for you guys? For me in "search networks" I get: "Error while searching", is this normal??

I can make and receive calls though...

Is there anyone from tmobile uk that got this to work?

regards

Emerson

emerson
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] chiles:
Questions.

1. main android source from google? Does this source have the sms working stuff or is that in the toolchains?

2. got it

3. Build it using vogue instructions. No differences for kaiser. i.e. hardware keyboard. or is it not relevant for the android.policy.jar part of android? I would like to start working on tilt layout for keyboard. (uses kaiser layout right now) and change the orientation since nobody has done that yet apparently.

4. got it

5. got it

6. got it

Please help,

Thanks,

Chiles
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] poly_poly-man:
I'll do that right now. That goes in kernel, not android.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] biscuits1978:
I am in the same boat as you. The same exact settings that worked for me in a previous version is not working for me at the moment. SMS and calls work fine, and it seems as if the Google App Store is picking up a connection(?) but Togga will not connect.

However, after browsing apps on the Google App Store, I go back to Togga and it shows I am connected. When I open the browser application, still no web pages or anything.

I have tried this with the ppp.username and ppp.password variables set to both 'internet' and <blank>, same thing. I have also set this up with and without APN settings.

Anyone with T-Mobile USA have a working setup? If so, please PM me with how you got it done and what your settings are!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] chiles:
so kernel is generic android kernel. has nothing to do with the sms functionality then? So I could edit the android-msm-2.6.27 snapshot and that would be fine for changing this kind of stuff?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] poly_poly-man:
three things wrong with that - #1, there is no "generic android kernel". I think what you mean is "generic android userspace", in other words, system.img.

#2: use htc-vogue, not msm. msm does trout, raphael and a few others, this does kaiser, polaris and vogue.

#3: I've already made the patch, just testingf it out real quick...

and wtf just happened to this server?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] echofloripa:
logs?

Seems that at least your boat floating :) I can't connect at all!

I tried to revert my radio to the one suggested in the other thread (1.65.24.36) and reverted my ROM back to the pdacorner, but still no luck.

I'm now in ubuntu trying to find the log files.

I tried to mount all images, couldn't find any logs (or /var folder) and the initrd I couldn't mount.

I got connectbot ( http://code.google.com/p/connectbot/

)in the applications area, but it seems I need also to have started a telnetd app. Is there any other way to reach the console??

I used the dev tool's terminal emulator, and I can't see any var folder.

Where are the logs????

Another thing, how can I run telnetd (to use the connectbot), as this terminal emulator is really crap. I try to run from the terminal emulator and it just says: "permisison denied". Ok, i managed to connect as root, (no password), but still, no telnetd.

thanks a lot

emerson
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] astrocrep:
Where is the app store... I couldnt find it...

Thanks,

Rich
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] poly_poly-man:
t-mo online atm. And G1-only too. Until google opens it up, no dice.

On an unrelated note, I swapped out the android policy jar's and it still opens upside down - I think i did it wrong... :( I'll try again later...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] chiles:
Any luck with the keyboard layout?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Magister2k7:
If you only need to fix screen rotation, than yes. Otherwise you need some patches by dzo and f00bar.

Again, if you only want to change screen rotation, simply build android.policy.jar and that's all. Do not replace other files, or it will not work.