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[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] mafy31:
Nice one MatroxD, even though we don't need remote, s pen is here for that :D

But i like the way it's small and can extend to monopod then tripod.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] MatroxD:
I hope it is a good one. I also use Manfrotto for my main camera, so I will see how this one holds up just for phone use.

And the old saying goes "any tripod is better than none". So, yes, I considered that type also, but just figured it was cheap enough so I'd try it.

And lmao, don't even get me started on RC products dude!

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Well, yes, but you know, as I use the pen, my gear, for the first time is that I might lose it. I don't know why..

And yes, the thing of it, is going to be how it holds up. My wife actually uses her phone for pictures a ton more than I. So my thought is that it may quickly become another of her items...

But im going to try and keep it in my arsenal...
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] mafy31:
It is really a need in some situations, like night shots.

You will never take as good pics as on tripod. Can also use f/2.4 in promode for night shots 10s shutter... fun stuff
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] sbenson1226:
Quite happy with my replacement Note 10+. Live focus, regular camera, video, everything is stellar now!

Live focus (Blur: 5, Skin smoothness: 0): https://imgur.com/a/QlG1HxP
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] mafy31:
Nice !! Was waiting news from you. Awesome picture from the dog, sharp and lovely bokeh.

I'm so glad you solved your issues. I'm having fun with such a nice tool in my pocket.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] sbenson1226:
The bigger test was human faces, and so far it's so much better. Really really happy now :)
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] sanghaviraj:
I can't upload images, it says this feature disabled by forum administrator, the camera quality is just awesome though if your are coming from note 8 or so u will notice that the placement of camera on the phone is different and so you will need to get adjusted, earlier i just used to point my phone at objects and got it done, but now since the cameras are side you will need to adjust, edit:posting a night photo via Instagram link

I hope this link is viewable

https://www.instagram.com/p/B4YryeVnozN/?igshid=1c213jxjazb
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] shamay.sha:
Today tried Night mode and pro mode in night unedited

Not able to focus properly on plant in second photo

Edit : Is there any way to avoid photo rotation while attaching, I use xda labs app. Dont want to save in snapseed and upload.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] mafy31:
Your tunnel night photo is really nice!

The focus thing happens when the herb/plant is too thin.

I posted a while ago similar pictures that i did with manual focus because of this (automn). The result is i think, pretty good.

Look at this full size, manual focus pro mode and it was windy so herb was moving all the time but it was day light :

https://imgur.com/Xo06sQu

You can also get some nice effects, manual focus still, would have been impossible with auto focus, because it would focus in the background :

https://imgur.com/uW5ZPhH

Of course it would be harder for night shooting but still doable... Since manual focus is not available in Night Mode, you have to use Pro mode, and if the herb is moving you will have to set high ISO to allow for a sufficient shutter speed, so probably 800 ISO means you will have lot of grain... Or try on tripod if there is no wind and lower ISO to 100 or 200 and use a long shutter like 1 to 10 seconds depending on light.

For the photos that appear horizontal, you can use imgur upload ; the quality of your photos will be higher as well.

I have had the same problem sometimes with XDA direct upload, and i needed to remove it, retry, remove it retry ... and sometimes just EDIT them and save as JPG again (loosing quality then)...

So now most of the time i prefer imgur.

Edit : here's another one :

https://imgur.com/GNyYN5o

And herebelow a comparison between Auto mode and Pro-mode for close shots.

Auto-mode : lights the background (HDR etc) :

https://imgur.com/0bPVKxW

Pro-mode : can get a background that is more blackened/more natural (depends on your taste but i like that one)

https://imgur.com/hhkIGIS
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] shamay.sha:
Hey these are all nice shots specifically first one considering its manual focus. I tried manual focus in my second photo but couldn't achieve it the way I wanted but nonetheless will try more with it.

Simmillarely I tried to focus on highlighted (In red) portion in attached photo and keep background blur specifically wanted to keep blur on lights as it is but couldn't achieve it properly because if i get focus on that area then blur effect on lights was getting softened and if i achieve blur effect on light as I wanted then was not able to focus on marked area. Any tips to improve it.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] mafy31:
Maybe i did not understand well your post, if so feel free to tell.

You can use night mode :

- Keep your finger on screen for like 2 seconds where you want the focus to be made. You can look at the ground just in front of you and stay clicked, because after like 2 seconds it will mark "AF/AE lock" and a yellow circle, and once this is done, the AF is locked and you can move the frame no problem, it stays focus where you clicked before

- Frame up and take the picture

Once the AF param is locked you can move the frame around, the distance at which it focuses will stay fixed.

Because the buttons will be a problem for focusing on the bottom of your photo, you can look down, with the area you want to focus on in the middle of the screen, then keep your finger on the middle for like 2 seconds, then get your phone upward for good framing.

Edit : i think it works for videos too, if you want to shoot say, a flower on the left of your screen and have all the rest blurry, you can lock AF/AE on the flower and move the camera frame, the flower stays in focus.

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Hmmm i see maybe your problem now :D

I think you are trying to get a very high blur effect in the background, with your subject (ground) already at a distance from you.

It will be hard to achieve a very strong blur in your case because the phone has a small sensor and despite f/1.5 it will not blur as much as a DSLR.

I had some results when testing though, with the use of Portrait mode and lock AF/AE, then increase blur rule to the max after taking the shot. I need some more attempts to see if it can be achieved with night shot or pro-mode, but it will be rather hard. It is easy to get a blur in night mode, but not as much as you may want to.

The more your phone will be close to the focus area, the more you'll be able to achieve the blur you want (means put your phone just on or just above the ground).
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] sharingspider:
Absolutely Correct Bud ! Should have got it replaced. Even I don't have any issues.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] shamay.sha:
Some with zoom and macro unedited
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] shamay.sha:
Some with macro lens unedited
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] mafy31:
Some amazing shots here!

Snow is already there, where do you live ?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] shamay.sha:
I live in Asker, Norway. Yesterday it was first snowfall of this season.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] vl319:
What is the file size of photo taken?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] xuggs:
Just Point and Shoot. Cropped.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] winol:
Wow! Another beautiful example of the excellent camera the note10+ has! Perfect to silence all those trolling/ranting non-sense haters that say the camera is horrible, the worst, bla, bla,bla, lol
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] shamay.sha:
It varies depending on aspect ratio/resolution choosen but mostly around 2-4 mb jpg format.

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Nice shot ?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] mafy31:
Nice one !

Was it night shot or normal photo mode ?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] xuggs:
Normal mode. Still have to experiment with Night shots.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] Gunde:
Seems to me that everyone here uploading small samples edited in snapseed are the ones who don't know what a "proper picture looks like".

Upload an unedited, full size shot from the Note 10 and I'll explain in detail why it lags behind the competition.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] mafy31:
Hello Gunde, i tried to find your own photos on forum but could not. Do you have samples already with note10+ ? Please share ;)

PS : i agree with the snapseed thing, that's bad... I upload directly to imgurr, slightly better. I use stock editing feature sometimes ; and lightroom if raw.

PPS : from what i've seen so far on pixel 4XL forum, besides astrophotography, havnt seen a night shot that was better than what i could do with note10+ despite all google fans reviews.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] Makonator:
Where did I said that note 10 is better than competition??? He is close enough with iphone and huawei...

Guy said that 2xl take better picture...not 3xl but 2xl and old iphone....and that just not true.

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Camera is even more capable, I see improvments on gcam that is not even work proper on exynos. Samsung software isn't as good as can be. On half working gcam I can see details improvments, but it lacks in other department. I can see that samsung pictures are over compressed.

Hope that somebody will make proper gcam for note 10 plus exynos. My note 8 exy. showed mayor improvment with gcam.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] mafy31:
Gcam is slow. On Exynos the only reason it sometimes gets better is that it is slow, takes several pictures and work the photo with them ( HDR).

Note 10+ is way faster than Gcam on Exynos. While still recovering a nice bright picture.

That being said, it lead me to test Night Mode in an indoor environment (semi low light). That is where stock automode sometimes oversharpens. Well in this situation sometimes you can get a better picture, sharper and less post processed. Night mode uses several photos, like Gcam, i believe.

Does this work for you or it is just me?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] Makonator:
On gcam currenty available, stock cam does better in most cases, but on some picture you can see that gcam got more detail, mostly semi low light pictures. As as said, this gcam is not really "gcam". On note 8 gcam killed stock camera in low light...ofc it's slower but thats normal, because it stack multiple pictures.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] mrlugo88:
I'll upload photos taken with my wife's iPhone XS and my Note 10 to prove my point. Go to Reddit as well and you'll see posts with people disappointed in the camera, some more than myself. And don't pretend like the 2 XL is some trash camera. What Google proved was how important software is on phone cameras because of the limited space hardware wise. The 2 XL still take amazing photos. Does it have the versatility of the Note? Absolutely not. But taking photos straight up? I still think it's better. And I'd venture there are many people who look at these types of things objectively and would say the same.

The Note 10 software wise is lacking and it shows. Even the slow GCam mod improves photos a lot. There is more detail and truer to life colors with the mod than using Samsung's camera. I've seen enough posts and my own comparisons to know anyone who just dismisses people's legit complaints with "you don't know what a proper photo looks like" or anything similar to that is just a fanboy who can't and won't look at things objectively.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] shamay.sha:
Hello Gunde, Its not all true that all pics are edited in snapseed though there are some. Specially one which I attached stating unedited are not even touched in stock editer also. Let me know which unedited tagged original file you want I will send you. I am not a pro person but a casual point and shoot person but I would like to learn/understand what it lacks.

I am not saying that Note 10 plus has a great camera., no, it definately needs a Improvements but not as bad as others say, It has a pretty decent camera. people like me have brought this phone as a complete package not just simply for camera. And yes everybody has there own opinion and choice so I am not trying to tick off your statement or prove you wrong its just my taste vs yours.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] shamay.sha:
Night site just point and shoot unedited
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] mrlugo88:
Here are some sample pics, with the order being Note, Note GCam and iPhone XS. The Note camera clearly has taken the worst photo of the three. This is something that has been happening consistently in my testing. Unedited, untouched, and taken from the same spot.

Edit: Not sure why two of them are rotated that way or how to fix. Sorry.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] Makonator:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3j2-Kcccbo&t=11s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbCSN6xdBf4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAp8NVlA5Lc&t=448s

Now maybe you expected big difference in camera department, than you should have wait this year.

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Iphones is the worst, gcam is the best...

Upload pictures uncompressed...they are 250 kb each...
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] mrlugo88:
iPhone is the worst? Ha. It has more detail than the Note pic and more true to life colors as well. For example look at the grate on the fireplace between the two. The iPhone has better detail than the Note's watercolor, almost blurry look

It's not the best by any means but a better pic than the Note.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] mafy31:
Yup... I also believe people over-estimate pixels. Look at pixel 4XL, there is some disapointing shots, and ppl still say waouh it is great. No it is not.

Look at #48 here for example, where it is blurry and note10+ can do better than that no doubt about it :

https://xdaforums.com/pixel-4-xl/review/photo-quality-t3946919/page5

In same link, look at #49 :

- bad flare blue dot on both pics

- left pic (the kid) look at ugly artefacts on his arm ; not good, also bad blurring effect to me

Same link #45 look at the 2nd picture, it is not sharp, more like blurry ; maybe hand of the photographer, but still, heck, it is outdoor how can you get such a blurry shot for landscape ? I believe this is due to cheaper lens, not software issue but it looks like it is not really in focus (look at the full size picture)

Someone in a post above made a very true statement, all these smartphones are rather close to eachothers and have some of the same flaws and it is visible when you zoom in slightly.

With Note10+ the only problem i have is low light on moving targets (like in the evening try to shoot at people who are moving is just almost impossible). But that happens with all phones somewhat, as much as it is on DSLR if it is not a high end full frame with a very high aperture lens. Consequently, due to the the low speed, the camera tries to sharpens what is blurry, and it results on artefacts or bad edges or textures, but that is on difficult shooting situations.

On the other side, note10+ comes with ultra wide lens which is awesome to me, especially indoor when you can never get all your friends in the frame !

It also comes with manual pro mode which allows for manual focus, you can do shots impossible with the pixel with it (i gave example of a close herb in movement some posts above). If you are used to post, you can shoot raw, with lower ISO, use of f/2.4 whenever you like, set the shutter speed for tripods, or to increase it indoor for sharper movement shots and post with lightroom for example afterwards.

Its night mode is pretty good, yes it is powerful and you can achieve very nice things with it as long as you tweak it (brightness especially, and use tripod for best).

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True colors really, i read this here and there and its contrary.

1st video at 4:04 portrait, you really think this guy has a yellow skin ?

These videos have some flaws though, and i agree when you said we have to be objective. Same 1st video at 4:39 portraits night shots cannot be compared because the note10+ had the light on the left which forced the exposure on the foreground (the guy), resulting in more noise. This is a very bad test in this case.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] Makonator:
It's true that in low light samsung tends to ''watercolor'' it, you picture are overcompressed and that's the way you lose details. On iphone photo there is way too much noise, there is so much noise like it's taken in almost no light condition.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] mrlugo88:
I wasn't referring to the videos. I was going with my own test. I have the Note, obviously and my wife the iPhone XS.

Now, I'm sure to those that love Samsung and find no faults with them I come across as a "hAtErz" but that's far from the actual truth. I love this phone and I love the versatility of this camera. Pixels are far from perfect cameras, but they have gotten the software right, which is something I hope Samsung can improve upon. Pics look too soft, lack details and washed out. While I didn't expect a perfect camera I did expect better out of a Samsung flagship. There is plenty this camera does I enjoy but these missed pieces really make it hard to enjoy. Hopefully we get a true GCam port because that combined with these sensors I think would be fantastic.

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The problem is that picture is taken with plenty of light. I didn't talk about zooming in because I rarely do that to my photos. Just looking at the eye test there's just a lot wrong with the Note photo. But using the GCam shows how great the Note camera CAN be with the right software. That's something I hope Samsung can look at and try to fix through some updates, because there really is a lot to like using the stock camera.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] Makonator:
all that you said it true, but I still don't think xs or especially 2 xl can take better pictures.

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https://imgur.com/stj0rES

https://imgur.com/w0lfnkd

https://imgur.com/MsbCT3i

from top to bottom...note 10 plus gcam (exynos)

note night option on

note 10 stock

Now, this is just taken in room without natural light, just those ''saving energy'' light bulbs. I don't know how did you take that picture with natural light.

Also maybe stock went that bad because AI focus in TV and trying to capture their faces.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] mrlugo88:
Well I took those pictures this morning in my house that is full of Windows and we live in Vegas where the sun shines (too) bright. So full of natural light. Unfortunately this is not the first instance of that kind of photo. I took a picture of my 10 year old sitting watching a movie and it did the exact same thing to his hair, rendering it useless. His hair looked like a blurry mess. Ive has my phone replaced hoping I just had a bad unit but it seems not. I'm going to continue playing around see what can be, particularly using pro mode. We'll see how it goes
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] mafy31:
No, i agree with most of what you just wrote. Some things need improvements for sure.

I think note10+ is at same level overall with other phones, when you look at ALL departments inc. ultra-wide, landscapes, portraits day light, etc. Some are better, some worse that is all.

Instead, i am not sure software is the only problem here ; i think samsung could have done way better if they had focused and paid for better hardware.

They cannot compete with google soft, but huawei understood this and used leica lenses. Samsung should have focused more on this, maybe. Lense is the real main component of sharp, nice shots.

For the sensor i cannot judge, but i would think Sony has some really great sensors and they could have kept using exmor, but samsung like with its Exynos chip, look for high margins and minimal cost...

Nice, thanks for this. I have exactely the same kind of things indeed. Indeed it is due to TV light, the camera has to force the exposure on the areas around it otherwise they would appear too dark.

When forcing this exposure, it adds grain, loss of details and the software corrects this by oversharpening.

You also get this in the 1st video you posted, at 4:39 on the portrait, because of the light just on the left of the guy. The camera compensates but then it gets grainy.

And you would get this everytime you use HDR, if there is huge differences in brightness between the different areas within the frame.

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The middle one seems the worst to me. Dunno what it is but lacks sharpness.

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Some fun i just took (hand held, pro mode, edited with stock soft). Was full moon :o
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] mrlugo88:
While I do agree about better sensors I'd imagine Samsung uses better sensors than most mid-range phones and yet look how much more improved those cameras get when using the GCam port. Hell, look at the pics I took of the fireplace and the GCam one looks much better, and that's pure software. I think we'd be surprised if Samsung put more work on the software side of their cameras the results would be. Of course, I'm not sure what sensors Samsung uses but I'd hope they be high quality for a phone that $1000+.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] shamay.sha:
These are in night unedited

First with pro mode ISO50 2s exposure

Second is night mode
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] Makonator:
That is 100% correct...samsung need to work on cam software....pixel is fighting ''top dogs'' just by software.

Anyway...I think 2020 should be ''decent'' improvement in cam area.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] mrlugo88:
I'm curious as I'm sure you are by the reports of the S11's cameras. I think with the improvements the iPhone came with and the software that Google continues to push out for theirs that Samsung knows they can't continue with minimal "upgrades". Based on early reports, we might see Samsung put some more focus on camera improvements.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] Makonator:
Xiaomi phones with 108 show decent picture with good crop capabilities, and Samsung's should be even better...
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] Makonator:
Just took 3 same photos and check details of them...

From left to right

Stock / gcam 8 burst shots/ gcam 24 burst shots...

I always use 100% quality of jpeg on gcam...stock picture weights 2.3 MB and gcams around 5.3 MB

Now whats seems weird for me is horizontal and vertical resolution? anyone know why they are different on stock and gcam?

Also looks like samsung stock app got confused by amount of lights coming in so it keeps aperture at 2.4 (on picture there is a part of my PC monitor so must be light from it telling samsung to keep aperture at 2.4)
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] Makonator:
M8, how come your 3 pics are all different resolution??? even gcam and stock one...
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] mrlugo88:
Hmmm I don't know. I didn't change any settings on anything. Interesting.