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[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] andreasarxon:
I am a note user from the original one. A few months ago I broke my note 8 and for the first time I buy xiaomi (mi9) the camera was in par with note 8 but it was a hall different when i installed gcam. It was fully supported it because it is snapdragon (sd855) after 3 months I come back to note 10 plus because i missed the stylus. I disappointed from the camera (video is superior on note), for all the reasons you mentioned before (smooth faces, overedited etc) i think the problem is the software. Gcam with multiframe stacking make the pictures sharper and with less noise in every situation. Samsung firmware does that only in night mode.. If you try nigh mode indoors at day you will see that the photos are a lot sharper at zoom and with less noise. So i think with a software update Samsung can implement frame stacking in normal mode.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] mafy31:
Show us night shots with mi9 since you can compare. It is not bad but it looks like note10+ still does better :

https://www.gsmarena.com/xiaomi_mi_9-review-1891p6.php

Of course the huge difference in price has to be considered, you get good stuff at a fair price with this mi9.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] andreasarxon:
I don't have mi9 now to compare directly but i can show you what mi9 with gcam can do

https://imgur.com/SykmHhg
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] mafy31:
[MENTION=3757159]andreasarxon[/MENTION] , Very nice shot!
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] weretiger:
Dont know idiotic dumb user or iphone worship er ......

Idiot...

Idiot everywhere
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] mafy31:
Hello, for those who think sometimes portrait look flat, after taking a portrait, hit the edit icon ( the pen) at the bottom, then the 3 circles icon, then choose "Auto" then save if it is ok.

I have had very good results with it (contrast, more sharp, etc).
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] cellphoneage:
Agree. I used to think Samsung get the best photo quality, now it seems over-processing that sometimes the green leaves turn to yellow. When I take some photos with pixel 2 XL and 3 XL, bye-bye Samsung...
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] mafy31:
Are you here to rant or you 're going to provide proofs of your findings ?

There's no psy here ; and just so you know it is Automn so it might be it.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] winol:
I see a lot of moaners-ranters- gripers here, and some are new to XDA, they talk about having had various samsung devices and finding thid note10+ to be "the worst", "most disappointing" and"utterly inferior" to practically ANY other device out there, sadly, I suspect all these ranters just sign in XDA to troll, it is plain evident, they are just haters trying to pass as REAL note series users
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] cyanotrix:
Okay coming to specific issues after an extended period of testing.

Live focus:

Does not work if there are 2 subjects, even when they're standing side by side one is always out of focus. Any other phone in the market does this job faithfully. If you want proof then try this with the last blur filter where the background is greyscale. You'll know what I mean.

Takes forever to get the right edges. If you're indoors forget it. Plus the 1.5 metre distance is weird in most circumstances. I mostly wanted to take either a close up or a full portrait. So live focus again fell way short in that regard. With wide lenses you'll have to get too close to the subject to get it detect the edges and its not accurate at all.

The blur effects apart from the first one are practically useless. Case in point they make the failed edge detection stand out more than the subject.

Also works only on faces and nothing else.

Front camera:

The wide angle shots are too grainy on the edges. In bright lighting it's not noticeable because the photo is over softened. But in dusk and indoor lighting it becomes apparent. Also selfies are not sharp even with the beauty filter switched off.

Food mode:

Again is it too much to ask for a good software that gets the edges correctly. It's got nothing to do with the hardware (big picture). Ask Google.

Night mode:

Actually this one is not bad only because the other modes had lowered my expectation completely. But it's no match to Pixel or iPhone's night mode.

Photo mode:

This is the only mode which delivered half decent pics. But if I were to use only this mode then why pay for all the supposed extra cameras? Especially the ToF sensor.

Pro mode:

Major bug where if you zoom in and take a picture, the photo is blurry and green. It's been acknowledged and hopefully they'll sort it out.

Final comments:

I cannot post pictures here because they contain subjects and no time to keep blurring all of them so I've detailed out the steps to reproduce them. Some of us have jobs and hence we buy top shelf phone so that we can whip it out and get at least 80% of the pics like we want to. This model was rushed too quickly to the market before the camera software could mature and because of growing fanbois who defend it to death. It can still be rectified with a solid software update but it will never happen because it's already out and Samsung is knee deep in hyping up the next galaxy model and whatever update we get is just barely incremental. If you feel that this is a rant then think whatever you want. I don't have any phone other than this and I gotta live with it for a couple of years at least.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] mafy31:
Really?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opUUayT9cKc

Might be true, didnt test with 2 subjects. It indeed needs some improvements though it is more of a gimmick feature. For video mode it sometimes work, sometimes blurs badly.

Front cam is not as good as others. I see what you mean with "less sharp" it is indeed less good than the rear cam. It is mainly intended for visioconference and self video though, works in many ways still.

You are not supposed to pinch zoom far in, with these kind of shots in my opinion, and by default quality is sufficient for selfies on the go, it is good outdoor by day, but because of the aperture, indoor or by night it is not really good.

Not problem here, i did pretty good food shots.

I find that one insanely good, even if p30pro seems to do better, if you are on tripod even in very dark night you can get incredible shots.

They are not half decent. They are just some of the best you can actually take with a smartphone, if not the best.

The 3 lens provide very nice shots. I posted an example above with zoom lens that shows the details you can capture even when the light is low versus wide+digital zoom.

This was i think due to the raw shot showing without any jpg rendering (like a slide photo, colour inversion or something), it has been fixed and i have not been able to do this bug again lately.

It works fine. You can do many things with pro mode, especially if you render the raws afterward.

The fact that you can force the aperture with wide angle lens, change ISO to get less grain, etc is one of the really good features. Allows for many nice effects especially if you are on a tripod (for waterfalls photos for example of night star/cosmos shots etc). If allows also for infinite distance focus etc...

Really, that's already it ...?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] cyanotrix:
Some of the good ones I've taken with this phone.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] infrasonic13:
Are they edited and with what?

I believe the Note 10+ can take live focus photos of objects ( not people ) can someone confirm ?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] mafy31:
Yes, activate it then when you hit the screen on an object it lights a yellow square on which it stays focused.

It works on auto photo mode, but you can not use "portrait" mode and choose the bokeh etc since it is normal photo mode.

When you move the yellow square stays on screen and focused, same as video mode.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] cellphoneage:
Thank you for your kindly remind.

Let's see if this can proof: the Youtuber Supersaf's video "Samsung Galaxy S9 Plus vs Pixel 2 XL Camera Test Comparison", at 1:07, the grass in Samsung is yellowish while the grass in Pixel is still green. That video was took in spring.

I did some tests on the camera of the Pixel and Samsung Galaxy S series phones before, cause a friend of mine keep saying how good is Google Pixel camera, however, I did not keep the photo of the test, so I think the test from a well-known Youtuber would be convincing proof.

All my words above are personal opinions depends on my own experience, otherwise, why would I spend that time typing?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] mafy31:
It is slightly yellower because it may be the true colour of the grass ? Hard to know which is more accurate, this grass is bad, and many earth or dead herbs around.

And it is Note 9 video, not the note10+...

When i shot green stuff i usually get the true colour of it. It is actually green... I think, like in the pic below...

Though on video yellow may appear when there is a few local areas with high shiny sun burning the picture, but it is not the case in supersaf video.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] infrasonic13:
So it does not have bokeh effect at all? Or I didn't understand you correctly?

The only color problems this phone has is with human faces.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] mafy31:
I thought your post was about live focus which for me is that autofocus stays locked on a subject. This can be done.

But it seems that you talk about the "portait mode" and it indeed only works only for human faces (artificial bokeh, with a relatively good accuracy on rear cam helped by TOF sensor).

I have not been able to activate that special mode for objects.

However you can get a bokeh using "natural", photography features : wide aperture + zoom + being close to the subject (like a macro shot), but you're right this artificial bokeh lacks for objects in the software...

For human faces colours, you can change this after taking a shot by using the "modify" icon. There is plenty of possibilities... By default it is rather flat and soft in auto mode. I have found that you do not loose quality when doing so on the Note10+ directly.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] mafy31:
Correction... It works, not easy to get good shots though :eek:

You can see in the example below that the foreground will not get grey'd right. However you can use the simple blur.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] mafy31:
edit : removed before i test tomorrow (had posted about colours artefacts in video but need to check again to see if it was not due to the activation of beta option hdr+).
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] infrasonic13:
These are really good. But when trying video in these scenarios the sky is way over exposed [emoji17]
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] mafy31:
That's probably because we will need HDR for videos :good:

Photo mode you probably had HDR on, but for videos it is off i guess and exposure is forced for foreground else it would be blacked out, but it results in overexposed sky ? It is the same with many camera.

If so, that's rather normal... You can try to activate HDR+ for videos but i get many artefacts at the moment when using it, at each light/shadow frontiers i get some kind of either yellow, or shiny blue artefacts ; see the chair below for an example with HDR+ on.

We need this HDR+ feature updated with final release.:good:

Edited : you can lock exposure if the sky does not appear great for you w/o HDR+ : click and stay pressed on the sky for example until you get the AF/AE lock circle, to adjust exposure on it. The sky should appear with good exposure. However the foreground might turn to shadows/blacked out.

HDR+ beta option (to avoid imho) gives artefacts like shown below on this crop :
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] MatroxD:
This was a better quality quick snap. But it generally takes great photos regardless! Wasn't a bad print either...
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] mafy31:
Nice.. wonder how you managed to 3D this.

Are you on snapdragon ? I can definitely not capture 3D models with the crappy TOF sensor and the latest buggy version of 3Dscanner ; i'm on Exynos.

The only things i have been able to model right was early September (a children plush) and some woody sculpture lately. All other attempts were strange potatoes and other fail messages.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] MatroxD:
Yes on snapdragon.. And this was a model I printed. Not one that was captured. I agree they need to do much work on the 3d app, as the update did something funky to it. I can still capture models, but not nearly like they originally were..
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] mafy31:
I think the old app for 3 D Scanner was indeed better. I got the old apk, but if install the old version (with things/person Scan choice) it asks for update and will not let me use it ...

Samsung really sucks for softwares... that's awful.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] Belatunk:
Same problem. i think it is time to say good bye to samsung phone. Most problem are as no light trail, silky water and any related to long shutter speed. samsung camera phone is really disappointing.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] mafy31:
Lvl 1 poster, here is my advice for a better life :

- learn how to take photos, also what are ISO, aperture and how it impacts shutter speed etc

- then post on forums afterward

instead of the other way around.

The 2nd step is the hardest it requires to have mastered step 1 and be able to post pictures.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] winol:
Mafy31, just don't waste time with people that only create accounts here to bash a brand or a particular device, it is plain obvious these people DO NOT HAVE and Never Will have a samsung flagship device, just pure envy/hatred behaviour
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] mafy31:
You forgot your question. If need help just ask, and welcome to the forums.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] cyanotrix:
Of course they're edited. We've not left much of the world to get natural shots like that. Only the 3rd one with pink and magenta hue across is edited though.

Software I use, snapseed, lightroom and photoshop. Depending on how I want the photos to look. I like colors so my photos are very vivid unless they're portraits so depending on the end result I use either one of the above or a combination to get the desired result.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] mafy31:
I use snapseed also and a few others. But the stock modification software right after taking the shot, is easy, fast and as good as simple. It has already many ways to improve the shots and though it lacks the sharpness option, it can be improved by the different modes it proposes (like 'auto').
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] shamay.sha:
I think camera is good on Note 10 plus though I agree sometimes it behaves weired but overall it gives good quality photos.

I am a not a pro person but like to take quuck shots with auto setting ( m bit too lazy ?) just attaching some unedited pics taken with Note 10 plus. Let me also know any Improvement i can make for taking good photos.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] winol:
Hey, your photos are quite nice!
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] Misterxtc:
How is this camera with moving subjects? Do they blur like the Note 9 did? Also how is it indoors? Please post some sample pics.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] MatroxD:
It's good.. Arty least I can say so in manual mode, add that's how I shoot the majority of the time with moving subjects. I have a saltwater tank, and fly RC models. I have my wife shoot the models in manual, and I shoot the tank in manual.

With the models, it can go out of focus, and then, you get the up and down on the shutter depending on cloud cover. But that's any auto camera. My dslr and mirrorless cameras have always done this also. But with the reef, because I set it(have to change quite a few things, like wb, shutter, e.t.c), I always get good results. Also, I have a train layout, which has movement and I always get decent results from it, just depending on how steady I am.. I snapped a few tight quick, and these were about 4" from the moving train..
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] MatroxD:
And this was of my pooch. Lit by a 60 watt incandescent bulb(excuse his eye boogers, add I didn't get a chance to wipe them away in this impromptu moment).
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] Misterxtc:
Thank you. From what I can tell it looks like a big improvement from the 9. I'm not seeing much blur on the trains at all and your dogs fur looks nice and not softened besides the background bokeh. I'm trying to decide if I like this better than the Pixel 4XL witch will be more expensive because of the discounts Samsung will give me. I'll have to wait and see when I get the XL if I will keep it or not. Thanks again. I really like the train setup you have. Mine is sitting in the closet for now.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] MatroxD:
Not a problem.. And you know, that picture of him, I hadn't even checked or the fur, but interesting, and thanks for bringing it up. I will hesave to look for it from now on..

Now, I have to be honest with you, I have never shot with the pixel, but from what I've seen, that thing takes great photos! Just being honest and what's obvious.. Now, would I trade my note for it? Heck no.. Simply because, to me, and for me, the note has always been a package, device or tool investment that, while honestly, everything else on the market are just phones that take very nice pictures. They can't do what the notes can, by a longshot. Do I wish Samsung would do some software tricks like the other mfg's? Of course, but it's easy to put a lot of effort into the software to make the pictures look excellent, when that's the only feature making it appealing. And honestly, take away the cameras from most phones, and they're all the same.

And thanks on the train. It's a labor of love.. :)
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] mafy31:
Exactely, anyway low light + moving objects is always a difficult thing to shoot at, or need DSLR with very high aperture and full frame... We are talking smartphones here ;)

The auto mode will often blur a moving object in low light, because it favors sharpness and less grain so it will increase shutter speed. But Pro mode allows to lock shutter speed to something that suits you while lowering the light a bit, that is what you want to look at when shooting moving objects. This Note10+ has these features for those who really want to go deeper, it is nice for a smartphone and it works pretty well.

For those who want to keep it simple for indoor moving objects shots, simply use Pro mode full AUTO and only shutter speed on manual, set it to like 1/125 or faster and see what happens then.

It does not matter much if the shot gets darker, it shoots raw in pro mode so you can easily edit and increase brightness afterward.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] winol:
It is really fine seeing ACTUAL users posting/demonstrating pictures taken with a note 10+, and not those ranters/bashers hate posts from fake "disappointed owners"
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] Misterxtc:
And that's what I have to keep in mind is the overall package. I had the s10 plus but gave it to the wife. From that to to the Note 10 isn't much of a difference camera wise but there are a few good improvements from what I can find. As of now I'm leaning a bit more to the Note than the Pixel for the overall package because I know the camera usage will go back to normal after a few days of the initial rush.

These are some good points too. Thanks.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] infrasonic13:
I tried for an hour or so and couldn't get the quality of the night mode using the pro mode, any tips?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] mafy31:
What are you trying to do ?

Because for stills, you will barely get as good as night mode. This mode fires several shots and combine them into the final image, while pro mode will only shot once.

If you want good pro mode shots in the dark, you need a tripod

- get prepared for many attempts :D

- allow JPG+RAW in the settings

- set it on tripod

- remove the s pen and hold it in your hand, to fire the shot with it ;)

- if it is a landscape (something at > 5 meters) : in pro mode, set AF to manual, go far right (max distance)

- set the ISO starting to like, 200 or 300. Maybe you will need up to 800, you will have to test depending on the light you have, but that will add grain in your shot.

- now, set the aperture to 1.5 because you're in the dark... but you might want to try 2.4 as well, depending on the light, to get a sharper picture but then since it is less bright you might end with the need of ISO 800 and you will get grainy picture

- now set the shutter speed to whatever gives you a good exposition when looking at your phone. It should be kind of slow if in the dark (means that the rule will be closer to the right side), like 1/15 shutter speed or even lower, down to 10 seconds if needed. This is why you need tripod to avoid shaky picture

- fire the shot with your S PEN :good:

Since now you will get a JPG and a RAW, you can edit the RAW on the note or on your PC to get whatever you want.

If you are not used to DSLR or manual photography, these are the basics.

If you know all of these then no need to read :D

- ISO : smaller gives less grain but is darker ; higher gives more grain but more brightness

- Aperture : small number (f/1.5) means it opens wider. So more light, the result will be brighter, but less sharp and it gives out of focus shots behind your object (like portrait mode) because the range of focus is smaller

- Aperture : higher number (f/2.4) means it opens a bit less. You get less light, image will be darker, but you get more sharpness and less "out of focus" areas. Better for a landscape for example.

- Shutter speed : higher shutter speed (like 1/500...) means less shaky shot, better on moving object, but less light.

- Shutter speed : slow shutter speed (like 1/10...) means slow shot, the lens opens for a longer time, so if you move it gets shaky. But it gives more light, which is great for night on a tripod

- Exposure correction -2;+2 acts the same as ISO, it is forces digitally the exposure or decreases it. While an increase will give more light, you might get more grain because any pixel that flawed will be increased and appear as a bad grain (in dark area, these yellow or red spots that are ugly). Best keep at 0 if you can, or minus something.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] infrasonic13:
Wow, absolutely amazing explanation, thank you for your effort. I will try these techniques.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] mafy31:
Have fun :good:

It will not necessarily give better results than auto or night mode but you will be able to get shots that are not possible with auto modes.

An example is this kind of shots for rivers (this one i picked from internet, not note10 shot) :

You set on tripod a longer shutter speed, which gives you this effect on water while everything else is sharp. This is easy to do and is rather nice.

Auto mode will never give you such image.

Downside is that you need a dark filter in front of your camera else it will be burnt, but it is easy to find at any shop.

There is nice photos in this thread, maybe their poster will give better advices i'm interested as well in their tricks.:good:
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Real Life Review] MatroxD:
Omg, this thing has peaking in manual focus(pro mode).. I thought I noticed some green outlines when shooting the other day.. And I wish I could screen capture it, but that is a very, very high ended feature.. Especially on a cellular device.. Awesome stuff!