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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] JeckyllHavok:
Strange, trie one of the 1.7 radios and Hyper Dragon IV iolite Rom, and try the startup.txt from my build archive, which HardSPL do you use?

Let's try if we can make this run for you...........

Try to completly refornat your sd in fat32

Have you set up your sim card without a pin?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] iPirate:
Less ION HERO talk and more talk about getting basic 1.5 android with everything working...

If people start to use different versions of things there is going to be a lot of confusion. I suggest the ION and HERO people make another thread. :confused::D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] enatefox:
iPirate, HERO and ION both have (I think full) bluetooth stacks, more wifi setup and some other key features. HERO's revamped UI is appealing, works off of 1.5 with longevity as it will be (allegedly) using Donut (2.0) soon so it should be looking to the future. I'm not going to go on further about it unless I get something working but at least it made a mark on this thread.

AnlCnt, what do you mean you've never gotten calls to work on any build? We've all had our fair share of issues but consistently? I personally use the system.img I posted a lil' while back (before Okibi released 6-17) and have found his 6-19 and ION to be problematic for me for different reasons. I haven't used dzo's only because I'm addicted to the new stuff.

Have you tried my image or Okibi's 6-17? What about dzo's latest from his repo if you're wanting 1.1? Can you be more specific in what you've tried and what your issues are (does everything but calls work)?

Hyperdragon III/IV are popular choices for a lot here and I can not personally endorse AthineOS enough and I use the regular ATT radio. I don't text or have a data plan and can't vouch for those but I have a very good working Android on my phone if I forget there's no wifi or bluetooth yet. I just need to install Norton or something so I can remove this "Windows" program that keeps popping up
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] nerdtaco:
I can't find the Hyper Dragon IV Iolite rom anywhere because of stupid Microsoft. I just flashed to radio 1.71.09.1. When I booted into Android there was no change at all.

I've tried the ION builds from mburris and JeckyllHavok, the 3 latest 1.1 builds on androidonhtc.com and their 1.5 build.

The phone won't dial out, but it is now receiving calls with radio 1.71.09.1 and the latest 1.1 build from androidonhtc.com

Oh and I've never messed with my sim at all.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] mburris:
The ION release I posted is the most stable 1.5 release of android for our Kaisers to date. imho.

With Okibi taking a small break for a while, there may be a stall in the current 1.5 development you are talking about, why not give it a try?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] mburris:
try and dial out in Windows Mobile before you run haret. Make a complete call. (wait till the call connects, give it a second, then hang up.) Then run haret.

Works for me.

You will need to create the APN for T-Mobile once you get into the OS, but that should not effect the ability to make calls.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] mburris:
Can you give me a quick summery about how you add a theme(s)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] enatefox:
Can't find Hyperdragon? I'll just leave this here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=485643

I'm running http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=3853590&postcount=582 not the Manila Edition (installed that seperately).
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] okibi:
Let me just say that I think that this is a very bad idea. EXT3 is a journaling filesystem, which will constantly write and rewrite to your sdcard. You're just asking to kill your sdcard this way.

QUICK VOTE:

Which do you prefer?

ION, Hero, or standard Android 1.5. (do not count Rosie as I believe any rom can use it with some tweaking).

Thanks!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] wanderso:
If Hero comes with the Exchange Client, then Hero by all means. I know, Okibi, that you recommend Touchdown (and I've used it), but I would prefer a single mailer, a single contacts book and a single email system, all with Exchange support, rather than the separate-but-somewhat-equal equivalents afforded by Touchdown.

Thanks for asking! Would your Hero come with Exchange?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] mburris:
Okibi- thanks for the heads up, man. Would a ext2 be any better?

Also how about a word or two on how you get a theme applied... There is more to it than just replacing the apks from the system.img with the ones from the theme archive.

Any help would be appreciated.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] iPirate:
That is great, but I think another thread would be a good idea. Done talking about it I dont want to derail this thread.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] mburris:
With all due respect, this is the android development thread, not the "only android 1.1" thread, or the "only DZO's android" thread, or the "only Okibi's android 1.5" thread.

This is the thread that most of the people who have the brains to test and further the development read, so one would think this would be the best place to post something that would interest such a group...

But maybe you're right, maybe next time I'll post my hard work in a new thread on the general kaiser ROM page, that way it can get buried on the second page under the 10,000 windows mobile roms before anyone can read it.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] iPirate:
The problem is people are posting "my phone isnt working now, what can i do?" and they dont put what rom they are running so it gets fairly confusing to follow the thread and know the status of the roms. If I may suggest posting the rom version first in bold letters then discuss, that might help with the confusion...

I suppose a new thread would get lost but I feel like the thread is getting very "messy"
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] mburris:
We need a sub forum under kaiser for android!!! mods?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] ajclai08:
I agree, as long as we share info and help newbs out, we shouldnt have anything to worry about.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] wstraus:
This Ion build seems good but one question, when I first installed it, on first boot it came up in airplane mode and would not come out. I rebooted and I had to turn airplane mode off but it allowed to this time. Phone, text, web, and sync worked fine. Then I replaced my data.img with an old one that I have been using with all the past updates from okibi (has all my texts and installed apps in it) and I'm back to being stuck in airplane mode. I don't mind backing up and restoring my texts and apps but it sure would be cool if I could just slip in the old data.img.

Thank you to every one involved in this project, I love my tilt again.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] archongtv:
Basically if ion is most stable version of 1.5 I'm voting for developing to this branch. Yesterday I started from scratch and I could set up everything (including google sync) without 1.1 data file. I'm preparing virtual machine for developers (Debian 5.0) in vmware If some could point me everything that is needed there I will aggregate it and put link here If you like. I'm starting active development so it's good occasion to help starting other ;)

I have still problems with mms. Does anybody has it working?

Yesterday I also found in ION /sys/android_power. Maybe it is solution for wifi problems?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] tudor.w:
Growing Trees

Greetings all, thanks Okibi and all for getting this so far, the goal feels so close:)

It's exciting to see this project begin to branch, think of the potential of hundreds of developers creating unique android implementations that can transform these versatile devices into a plethora of digital assitants, one for the musician tuned to recording audio, another for the photographer for high speed photo reviewing, tailored for their application these builds could open the door to a whole new way of looking at personal devices:cool:

.... But, I truly believe we will benefit most if this can be done in an orderly fashion, so I am going to plead with mburris to establish a thread on advanced customisation, while keeping this thread for the stock 1.5 build, I love what you are doing mburris and I am sure you will understand why I am asking this.

Whether is Okibi or others :) I am sure he has no desire to 'own' this thread & I would certainly visit a seperate thread to learn about new custom builds :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] nerdtaco:
I figured out why I can't dial out. It requires a sim pin to dial out. Now I just have to figure out what my sim pin is... grr!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] aggarath:
You have to disable your pin in windows mobile.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] nerdtaco:
What do you mean disable my pin? How do I go about doing that?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] archongtv:
First link in google: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/en-us/help/security/pin-sim-lock.mspx
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] nerdtaco:
Ok something is screwey... My sim pin is the default and will lock/unlock my phone in windows mobile, but in android the pin will not unlock the sim...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] stringbean82:
5 reactions are being spend on such a simple thing now, you need to turn off the request for a pin code in windows mobile.

As android doesnt work with it.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] nerdtaco:
It IS turned off in windows mobile. It always has been turned off in windows mobile.

...yet it still won't work in Android.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] deekjx:
Anyone working on the porting the HTC exchange server software for android to this platform?

Its currently available on the magic but I don't want to buy the HTC Magic (codename sapphire) since its missing a hardware keyboard.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] stringbean82:
Thats indeed very odd, which android package did your grab?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] garringm:
Here is an update from me

Starting using Okibi's 1.5 builds, was going great until the 6/19 build, my data.img for whatever reason went corrupt atleast I think, reinstalled it other things went wonky. So then I have tried the ION build, went back to the 6/17 okibi build, even went back to dzo's 1.1 build still couldn't get things quite right even tried flashing a 1.7* radio.

I get a problem with my data.img about every other week certain parts of android quit working I reinstall data.img and all is well.

Here is what I have done this morning and it seems to have taken care of my problems some of it might be overkill --Hard rest on phone, left radio as 1.71.*, formatted sd card, reloaded all fresh android files I am starting out with the ION build as it seems much more responsive than Okibi's (no offense to him) everything seems as it should now.

In okibis 6/17 build sometimes it would stick in the sleep mode and I would have to reset phone, or it would just be hard to wake-up, also I would have data issues as I posted before as having to turn radio off then on again to get it to work.

Just my 2 cents
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] nerdtaco:
The build dated 5/22/09 on this page.

Edit- Apparently the ONLY thing that doesn't work is my ability to dial out. I just got my data to work.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] garringm:
The wiki is seriously out of date try reading about 4 or 5 pages back to get some of the latest 1.5 builds or go to dzo's link on the first page for the latest 1.1 build
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] nerdtaco:
I had the same symptoms with the ION build in post 5917.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] deekjx:
That's the build I'm using. It's odd yours has a different response for calling out. You may want to try starting off with a new data.gz file and see if that works for you.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] enatefox:
Okibi, Hero isn't working yet as far as I know on our phones. I tried and couldn't and didn't hear anything after. The only thing I want is Rosie so if anyone can figure out how, I'd love to help. I believe the permissions I set are wrong (the source has all incorrect perms) or there's other issues but I get into a wake loop at bootup with the image and have to reboot. It's a severely stunted version of Android similar to many HTC apps that take over the OS. I think that it should just be picked for parts like how it has an Office-compatible suite that retails for $10.

garringm, I'm having those issues and I really haven't tried ION but I'm going to. My system.img with 6-17 have been working albeit occasional crashes like you're saying. Seems like later versions have made it worse even when putting an older build.

mburris:

initrd.gz

Extract--

gunzip initrd.gz && cpio -i < initrd.cpio

Compress-- (within directory)

find ./ | cpio -H newc -o | gzip > ../myinitrd.gz

System.img

mkdir mnt_stock && mkdir mnt_mine

Make your temporary img:

dd if=/dev/zero of=temp.img bs=1M count=96

Format that img:

mkfs.ext3 temp.img

Mount the images:

mount -o loop system.img mnt_stock/
mount -o loop temp.img mnt_mine/

Copy from the read-only stock image:

cp -paRf mnt_stock/* mnt_mine/

***Now edit mnt_mine/ as you like***

The last step is:

mkfs.cramfs mnt_mine/ mynewsystem.img

You can now use that image, renamed on your SD card. When you're done, just umount the images.

Data.gz is the same but a gzipped img that you just mount, edit and umount without needing intermediary images.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] enatefox:
dfgdfgd doesn't afraid of banning
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] mburris:
Thanks enatefox, but I do it a little differently... I find it more efficient to keep the system file formatted as ext2 instead of cramfs. Naming it "system.ext2" instead of "system.img"

I copy the initrd.gz into a temporary folder. In that folder i make a dir called "extracted".

I extract the initrd into the "extracted" folder by running these commands:

cd extracted #enter into folder where initrd contents will be extracted

gzip -cd ../initrd.gz | cpio -i #extract content into "extracted" folder

then you know... I make any changes I need to, then I recreate the initrd file:

cd .. #go up one folder level

rn initrd.gz initrd.gz.old #rename old initrd.gz to make room for the new one

cd extracted #get back into the extracted folder

find ./ | cpio -H newc -o | gzip > ../initrd.gz #create the new initrd.gz

Instead of making a temporary ext3 image file, then copying its content into a cramfs file, I just make a temporary ext2 image file and make my changes there. Let me demonstrate:

cd /tmp #get into the temporary folder

mkdir a-sys #make a folder for the original system.img to get mounted to

mkdir a-ext #make a folder for the new ext2 version of the system.img

#now i create my system.ext2 file -- my ext2 ver of the cramfs system.img
dd if=/dev/zero of=/tmp/system.ext2 bs=1M count=96 #create a 96MB ext2 file

mkfs.ext2 /tmp/system.ext2 #format said file as ext2

# now for the mounting...
# I will first mount the original cramfs version of the system.img file
mount -o loop /where/is/the/system.img a-sys #there's the original

mount -o loop /tmp/system.ext2 a-ext #this mounts my empty ext2 file in the folder I created earlier called "a-ext"

cp -a a-sys/* a-ext/ #this copies the content of the original system.img file into the folder where my new ext2 version is mounted

now I can make any changes to the file that are inside of the folder where I've mounted system.ext2 (/tmp/a-ext) then when I'm done making my changes, I simple unmount the folder. Then I simply drop the system.ext2 image into the root of my sdcard. The initrd.gz usually has an option to mount the system image as ext2 when it is named correctly.

yeah, the data.img that extracts from the data.gz is a ext2 type image.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] garringm:
All is well now been running ION all day had issues getting market to work but got it finally question at first boot I got an error about apps.google.partnership stopped or something why? Is this major problem?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] enatefox:
I don't pick cramfs for the fun of it. You should stick with natively supported filesystem types. Someone please help me answer this. All I know is you should cramfs and not use Ext2/3. Looks like you took the original posts based on the names of the folders you listed. Please, if you're going to submit files keep them in cramfs. It's what the kids use
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] dzo:
Both these methods not really the way to make a system image because the permissions will be wrong. The easiest thing to do is to use genext2fs from the android distribution like this:

~/droid/out/host/linux-x86/bin/genext2fs -d my-system -b 300000 -a system.ext2

and if you want cramfs:

mount -o loop system.ext2 /mnt/system

mkfs.cramfs /mnt/system system-1.5.img

Note that the directory the system is in (my-system) must end in "system" so genext2fs knows what it is, the -a flag tells it to set the permissions correctly for android.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] enatefox:
Yeah, you told me that before but I've not only never had but the occasional issue with a "permission denied" loop at bootup (maybe 1/15 images I edit) but it saves downloading the whole source. Easiest thing for me to post. I would've posted what you did but it's just easy and works to do it the way I posted. Not that I'm not open to any other reason for doing it your way, I'm just uneducated and prefer easy, 2-4gb saving methods. I noted that the copy function takes "-paRf" where "a" seems to do what the "a" flag in your way does and "p" is redundant but seems to work better.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] okibi:
Yeah, I know what I said.... :)

Anyway, I got a new build of the stock 1.5 up in my repo.

Contains a few minor changes, worth the upgrade though.

Be sure to get system.img, initrd.gz, and zImage.

As usual, get it from my repo:

http://ratedo.com/android/

Thanks!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] dzo:
No, -a for genext2fs is not the same as -a for cp, it has a list of all the system directories and the correct permissions and ownership for them. If you don't do this then you will have problems with your system image.

I've attached a copy of it so you don't have to compile it from source.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Pandemic187:
I like HERO, fa sho. :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] SkywalkerPD:
Running on ION now, and I like it. Data works, market works, it runs smooth.

I've a question though. I used this in my startup file: board-kaiser-battery.battery_capacity=1400.

I think my battery drains very fast and the phone is getting really hot? Can it be that this setting has something to do with that? I've checked my battery and it is a 1350 mAh.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] JeckyllHavok:
I'm running the ION build for two days now without major problems.

@okibi: in your new packet is it a custom zImage or one from dzo?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] MiZi666:
help needed

hi guys..

sorry for this question, but..

how do i install apps? (non-market apps, WiFi and data connection didn't work) like a "File Browser" or a installer for my .APK files... do i need APK files? the original android will only install apk's..?

greetings

mizi
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] aggarath:
Everything you need to know
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] archongtv:
To those who are using ION: what is root password?

P.S. In ION you can change letter size in terminal emulator ;) (which isn't in dev tools - I had to install it from market).
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] stringbean82:
Good news on the GPS part I guess, Steven Walter made it work on the Vogue, but does it then also work on the Kaiser?

Support GPS/PDSM on the Vogue htc-vogue
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] archongtv:
Link? 'cause it isn't indexed yet.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] gelf:
I had this problem... but just b a bit patient.. it worked after a few moments

worked first time for me :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] xmoo:
And.... You like Google Android????
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] gelf:
yeah looks cool, responsive with what it does do at the moment.. :) be great when we can use it fully.

awesome work dudes
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] rmg:
ok cool, any ideas how to get back to the main screen when you are in an app? right now I am in Development settings...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] d112:
Not working on my htc dimond rom v4 .Is anybady have this problem?

What can I do?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] xmoo:
Try Diffrent zImages....

A.t.m soft-reset is the only way with the latest zImage. Ppl are tying to map the d-pad midle key as a back key. Hope this will be included in new zImage.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] emerson.chris:
I'm not sure if this thread is intended for folks to chime in w/their success/trouble or not but FWIW... I can't get this working yet... but I'm excited! My phone freezes on

looking for network connection

and/or

after the "Booting Linux" progress bar reaches 100%

.

haret.exe - 0.5.1

zImage - 5/26/2008

initrd-android - filesize 20,313 KB (version unknown)

Dutty Version: WM6.1_5.2.19700_Hybrid V2_1_65.14.06 (I'll try the dutty rom mentioned in the initial post when I get time.)

Thanks for the links/info/install-notes btw!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] xmoo:
1. You need a lot of pations.

2. You need a lot of pations. I have also the same ROM on one of my 3 devieces. And it booted 1 out of 20 tries.....

3. The ROM has many bugs but it's a good ROM for Android testing.

Good luck :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] rmg:
Thanks, looking good so far :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] d112:
How Can I back to the home in Android? Which button?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] xmoo:
.............................................................

Added in post #2. Check Menu

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=2259078&postcount=2
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Xzeven:
Nice, I got it working on L26 V4 worked 1st time :)

Still a bit buggy of course but getting there
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] echofloripa:
There is no beta in the main page. Although in the folder http://www.handhelds.org/~koconnor/haret/ there are several. Do you know which is the good beta there? The most recent is the haret-20080510.exe.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] shadowline:
I love you XMOO :p, this is exactly what I was talking about, and very well laid out too.

I have been using dutty's latest rom (the beta test rom) and have had the most success with booting android. But I cannot say which version of what that I have because it is soo mixed up just trying to get it to work.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] jefem24:
spl version

does spl version seem to make a difference in booting?

im spl 3.29 using dutty apr29 no cube booted first two trys.

should i be getting a signal bar i am not?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] jinxman:
the "q" button is the back button, so you eventually reach home by pressing it
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Lokioki:
Nothing works as they are supposed, but I`m thrilled :)