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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] poly_poly-man:
crap... just deleted the one I had from the old build. Do I have to load the old build, generate the file, then copy it for the new build?

Also, as for the legal status of this port, I think it really just makes sense to keep developing linux, and even android for this device and others, just complying with their terms and not giving out the unfree parts. From there, we can wait (or have a more active part than waiting) for google to release their apps at least somewhere without source, and for some of the other developers to help us out by making the apps available to us somewhere besides the market. It would be complete suicide on the part of google to make all these ports come to a halt... I mean, the n900 is starting to look more and more likable every day at this rate... :(
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] ruizit0:
so.. without market what we do ? lol
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] enatefox:
Use a data.img that's been premade for Hero or ION but an older one may work but some new things will not be reflected since data holds cached info/apps.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] poly_poly-man:
where can I find this?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] enatefox:
quick: http://vogue-hero.googlecode.com/files/data-vogue-hero.img.zip
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] ant0nwax:
finally got the vogue rogers thing working... i was trying with the rootfs from rogers.zip and not from the basefileset, but it is only working with rootfs from basefileset of course... ... one problem is still annoying, and so android is useless for me, the APN settings are correct in startup.txt and default.txt and APN settings inside Android, but i cannot connect to my network provider. i even setup proxy correctly... what else can be usually problems about getting the internet connection to work?... i have a AT&T Tilt with eMo Radio 71... i connect with WM 6.1 to t-mobile hungary: apn:internet ,, username:\"\" ,, password \"\"

thanks for your feedback
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] poly_poly-man:
hosting it on google - crafty :P

I'm using the 9/12 ION build for now, downloading that now, and I'll try out rogers after work (I just want something with which to use the internet during my break :P - I'll play around later.)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] enatefox:
I had to edit rootfs.img to uncomment the wifi services, edited system.sqsh's to have the right wlan.ko and other files for our phones. Also, with the data.img I needed to uncheck using mobile network to get it to use that interface. Now it's working beautifully.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] robneymcplum:
Righto, tried the googleion package which just wouldn't run at all, tried the mssmision package which worked but wouldn't accept or dial calls but would text me to say I had missed calls. So I then copied the google image file into the mssmission package and it is up and running except I can't acces the internet without the wireless. This is my default text for tmobileUK:

"board-htckaiser.panel_type=2 ppp.apn=general.t-mobile.uk ppp.username=user ppp.password=one2one pm.sleep_mode=1 mddi.width=312 mddi.height=416 lcd.density=128 no_console_suspend board-kaiser-keypad.atttilt=0"

boot

Which I believe to be correct? Also what resolution would you suggest, as it is a little blurry. Not to bad and can live with it but anything better? But primarily the internet thing is annoying me so all tips hints and tricks appreciated.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] plutarcian:
i agree. without the market we are left with a pretty basic phone with not much use.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] okibi:
There's always slideme and andappstore... they aren't as great, but they're there.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] ruizit0:
hum i think rogers after some time starts to get laggy :|

ive been using it last week ... installed some apps like Greed, Handcent sms, and some one or two widgets..

and now its getting laggy typing sms.. getting back to homescreen.. etc

backing to last ion build until new improvements...

that i think will be far with this new google c&d thing :|

btw: its me or the donut updates stopped a little ?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] loserskater:
I know that zen and mssmison are working together on the tattoo build which is based on donut. They don't want to release anything until they figure out the problems with getting donut working. I think they might be waiting for vilord to help them get it fully functional, but there is work being done!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] poly_poly-man:
I am still, even after using the premade data.img, unable to get past the blank screen after the kernel fb on the rogers build.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] bpedman:
Me too...it has been really slow lately...cant even answer a call when I am using the browser
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] unus32:
Battery life per charge is very small, but how can I improve my endurance?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] robneymcplum:
As a sort of guide for anyone new to this here is what I did to get it working well on a tmobile UK MDA vario 3:

I used 1.71.09.01 radio

Have tried a few ROMs with no difference and am currently on the stock tmobileUK 6.1 ROM which works fine.

I downloaded the mssmssion package which didn't work, then downloaded the GoogleIon package which also didn't work. I copied the system.sqsh file from GoogleIon and copied this into the mssmission folder, replacing the original and copied all that folder over to the SD card after editing my default.txt to this, which you may copy and paste if you are stuck:

set RAMSIZE 0x07000000

set RAMADDR 0x10000000

set FBDURINGBOOT 0

set MTYPE 1553

set KERNEL zImage

set initrd initrd.gz

set cmdline "board-htckaiser.panel_type=2 ppp.apn=general.t-mobile.uk ppp.username=user ppp.password=wap pm.sleep_mode=1 mddi.width=312 mddi.height=416 lcd.density=128 no_console_suspend board-kaiser-keypad.atttilt=0"

boot

It now works flawlessly but I still can't get connected to the internet through tmobile. I have made sure internet explorer was connected before running haret.exe and have changed all my APN settings in Android but still......nothing. Any help appreciated and I hope this helps someone who was also struggling.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] robneymcplum:
DP!

I also have no ringtones. Any help on getting a ringtone to work? I have a MEDIA folder which I assumed could have tunes put in for tones but sadly not.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] ruizit0:
and the mssmision and the ion google will work if you use a kaiser default.txt dont need to make all that file changes from one to another to make it work.. only need to change default.txt ...

this has been talked about last 50 pages ? 60 pages ? :\

please people read...

btw: for the internet... did you config APN inside android ? and after that did you go to MODEM app and made CONNECT ? wait a little for a connection..

didnt connect ? reboot now and try again :)

http://vogue-android.googlecode.com/files/resources.zip
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] pmos69:
nah. ler estraga a vista ;)

é melhor um tuga ler por ele...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] robneymcplum:
btw: for the internet... did you config APN inside android ? and after that did you go to MODEM app and made CONNECT ? wait a little for a connection..

didnt connect ? reboot now and try again

Aye, did all that using the settings posted above. So If I add my default.txt to the mssmission package it should work? Technically.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] ruizit0:
dont know if i can make this because the new google COPS lol

but if get jailed its your fault! :P

go to here:

http://www.4shared.com/dir/20120697/38e4c571/Android.html

here you have last bundles ready to use on KAISER...

just unzip to root of memory card... run HARET and dont make more questions :P

ready to use dont need to change anything.. just to setup inside android
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] ruizit0:
...enfim :o
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] robneymcplum:
So, which one do you recommend for tmobileUK? And can someone post the proper APN settings that work please? Is it password user or one2one or wap etc I just can't get one that works.

Cheers.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] ruizit0:
i tryed all and sticked to ION because for me is more "clean" .. more stable with regular use..

but try all and use what suits better for you :)

check here apn settings for your network

http://www.androidonhtc.com/carrier_network_settings

insert them in default.txt (dont think that at this time is need but in case of...)

and the in APN settings in android settings.. (inside android)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] robneymcplum:
Are you on tmobileUK? if so what is your default.txt and APN passwords etc? If you dont mind me asking.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Shihan:
Sadly after spending a couple of days figuring out what the cyanogen mess actually meant i've lost faith in google and am abandoning the work I was messing with on the kaiser android ROM dev.

So, attached is my mods to the original basefiles-20090919-v2.zip stuff.

The purpose of it all was that I wanted to have a native ext2/3 partition on my sd card running android rather then having all the loop-back mount rubbish going on and so I wrote a new init script for the initrd that would build one on the fly for me as well as some replacements for the rootfs init scripts.

Now, i work on the tytn2 (not the vogue) so modify where necessary (assuming anyone even wants to take it on). The scripts currently work and there is some performance gain (i never got around to actually getting some measurements, i was just going by feel).

In the archive is the following:

initrd/init

initrd/taki/

initrd/taki/init2

myinits/

myinits/init

You'll need to partition your sd card into 2 partitions. Part no 1 is your standard fat partition, part 2 will become your ext2 android root partition.

So what you need to do is download the latest basefiles from the appropriate source and you'll need to make a new initrd (im not going to explain that one, its quite easy to find/figure out).

In the initrd, add the "taki/init2" at the root (with that directory) and replace init with my init.

create a archive initscripts.tar.gz which contains only the init in the myinits directory (i.e. cd myinits; tar cfz ../initscripts.tar.gz .)

Copy the new initrd and the initscripts.tar.gz onto your sdcard root (not, you must already have all the things that belong to the kaiser android builds, system.img, rootfs.img, etc).

edit default.txt and "kitme" to your boot arguments.

So it should look something like this (for the tytn2 for example, look right at the end):

set cmdline "board-htckaiser.panel_type=2 ppp.apn=internet ppp.username=none ppp.password=none pm.sleep_mode=1 mddi.width=320 mddi.height=480 lcd.density=160 no_console_suspend board-kaiser-keypad.atttilt=1 kitme"

Hit, the boot and it'll ask you on the first boot to hit enter if you really want to blow away your sd cards second partition. If you dont wish to do this (yes, it really will destroy all the data on your second partition), hit the reset button.

Once its done, remember to remove "kitme" from your boot arguments in default.txt later one!!!!!

Anyways, it should run through and build the android onto the SD card directly and from then on all you need on your windows/fat side of the SD card is the kernel, initrd and default.txt (i.e. you can now delete the rest).

I hadn't gotten around to add the media directory as well, but it should be a trivial task for anyone who knows shell scripts.

Hopefully someone finds some use for it and best of luck all!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] samuel159:
I'm still not getting any sounds out of my phone besides when i'm calling with somone. Any idea's what couses this? I've tried every build available so far.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] plutarcian:
check ur radio. i had the same issue and i fixed it by using radio 1.70.19.09
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] lupick:
Android Donut 1.6 no audio!!

Hi I've downloaded from there the donot version. It looks great and really responsive but I can't hear any sound!!!!!

Any idea?? (I've radio 1.71 and WM6.5)

Thank you

L.

OK radio 1.70.19.09 seems partially solved the problem. Incoming call produce ring but if I try to change it the app hang. I've also some prob with data connection.

Any way to add support (HTC??) for exchange sync??
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] ruizit0:
dude donut is in a beta stage.. most things dont work.. so dont try to solve problems that are unsolved..
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] lupick:
You are right but it's really responsive!!! Ok I'll wait for a donat release and in the meanwhile I'll play with roger...

L.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] skola28:
Radio: 1.65.24.36
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] robneymcplum:
I just cant get the internet working at all. I've done all manner of default.txt's with all available tmobile settings, kept IE running when booting haret, changed all the settings in android etc and still nothing. Surely someone here has got it working on tmobileUK and can share all the stuff I need to enter.

Please?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] poly_poly-man:
To devs wondering where we might go next (devs and power users, it's uesless now, but we need your help): please at least peek in http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=565480

Read it over... it's Mer for the kaiser.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] polyrhythmic:
The title of this thread has long been outdated. Is there a mod who can change it to something more appropriate?

I'd like to suggest: Google Android for Kaiser: The Desperate n00b Thread

Or maybe: The Question Test Thread: Post Questions Here that have Already Been Answered

:p
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] j101399j:
Got it working; thank you to those making this work

Just tried this; so I spent a lot of time reading everything; WOW:eek: there is a lot here. Since I have the AT&T Tilt I wanted to make sure before I started asking questions.

I flashed Shifu's WM 6.1 version_19 ROM (http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=496555) and the 1.70.19.09 radio; When I went to run it, I kept getting some error about setting the RAMADDR. Well I found a post that said I neeeded to change the default.txt to: "set RAMSIZE 0x07000000" and add "set RAMADDR 0x10000000"; thank you to whoever posted that, sorry don't remeber who. It took almost 45 minutes the 1st time to boot; but when it did WOW. Even the data connection worked the 1st time.

Now starts in about 30-45 seconds. It works perfectly (well excpet for the normal things that don't work yet). Just a big Thank You to those working you a$$'s off to make this work.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] robneymcplum:
I have read the FAQs, gone to htconandroid etc but still can't get it to work. I tried everything that was written to try and get it sorted but still nothing. It's not that I hadn't read or looked previously, just the info I have and have tried doesn't work. So was hoping someone could give me the way they managed to get it working on a vario3 on tmobileUK.

As I said, have tried everything posted and read back all the pages so I did 'google' first but still no luck.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] mysteryvortex:
Auto Installer for Closed Source Binaries

I'm all for different linux distros on the Kaiser/Vogue. (What's going on with Openmoko these days?) For those that would like a fully featured Android system available, shouldn't it be possible to continue by distributing images without the closed source binaries along with a script/program that would pull the binaries from official sources and rebuild the image to include them?

This approach seems to work for wireless drivers, software patents, and even music: http://www.flickr.com/photos/woolner/3339270412 (This was done in 1987!)

Is there any interest in this? With a list of files, their source images, and their destination in the system image, it should be fairly easy to create such a script.

-Mysteryvortex
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] enatefox:
mysteryvortex, I had been toying around with the idea. What would be easier is for people to extract the closed apps, which takes 1 minute and the terminal. Then the system images have symlinks to the folder on the SD card. system images get distributed with no apps and if they aren't on the SD they'll just be treated like any dangling symlink and ignored.

Unless you felt like hosting closed apps on your server but I'm not about to. You're referring to something like Dell hosting drivers on their site which an installer downloads from. Google doesn't do this with their apps and I can't imagine that happening.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] ruizit0:
rob.. please make this 4 steps to get data

1. insert your network settings in default.txt

2. insert your network settings in APN inside settings of Android

3. make an outgoing call... call to a friend.. call to your voicemail.. whatever just make a call.. in Android

4. go to the Modem app and press CONNECT...

voilla .. data working! :cool:

if doenst connect.. reboot and try again the above steps...

if doenst connect after all this.. check and re-check your settings...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] robneymcplum:
Ta, but have tried these things and got nothing. Using the settings from androidonhtc.com so was wondering if maybe the settings were wrong?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] j101399j:
I have at&t and every once in a while the data does not work when I start Android; so I try this and it works. (I found this on the androidonhtc.com FAQ's);Before you start Android (still in win mobile), connect to the internet; make sure you have a data connection; then turn on Android. When in Android, goto modem and click connect; it should say you are already connected. If not, click menu, settings, data synchronization, and make sure background data is enabled. Then go back to the modem and connect. If that still does not work; then you have a problem with your data settings and need to go back and fix the default.txt and the APN information. All found in the FAQ and install pages on androidonhtc.com
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] ruizit0:
did you make a outgoing call before connect modem ? ***IMPORTANT STEP***

for example.. i can only get a data connection after make an outgoig call :)

the same for incoming calls.. only after an outgoing call i have sound in calls :)

you have to make an outgoing call to "start" radio... so the first thing you always have to do after boot is an outgoing call :)

does your modem auto starts ? remove the modem autostart from default.txt

go to default.txt and find "ppp.nostart=0" and set it to "ppp.nostart=1"

check google for alternative network configs..

can you connect to internet in winmo ?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] robneymcplum:
I can connect fine in winmo, I shall uninstall android and start from the very beginning. Again.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] robneymcplum:
I dont have this option in my default.txt. Could this be the issue then?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] ruizit0:
nop.. if you dont have is disabled by default :)

hum what radio did you have ?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] robneymcplum:
1.71.09.01. and calls and sms works, just no internet except through wifi.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] ruizit0:
what appens when you press CONNECT in modem app ? what it says ?

t mobile apn settings (searched google)

t mobile apn settings (in androidonhtc)

if dont work.. try the first option with the user/pass guest and then the second option in user/pass leave in blank..

understand what im triyng to say ?

use a android fresh install.. and dont forget to make an outgoing call before connect in modem app...

if after all this it still doenst work...

go buy a nokia :rolleyes:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] pixolex:
Please, don't do that Shihan.

Android (the free part) is gaining momentum with all this marketing around it and this is an opportunity to all of us who like/support free software.

There are countless articles and news in the web talking about cyanogem and the google position about his ROM, like this example in Slashdot: http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/09/09/29/1510232/Android-Modder-Tries-To-Outmaneuver-Google

For me the google move was a shot on the foot, like cyanogem said in his site:

"The idea is that you’ll be able to Google-ify your CyanogenMod installation, with the applications and files that shipped on YOUR device already. Or, you can just use the basic ROM if you want. It will be perfectly functional if you don’t use the Google parts. I will include an alternative app store (SlideMe, or AndAppStore, not decided yet) with the basic ROM so that you can get your applications in case you don’t have a Google Experience device."

And there are already a response to the open handset alliance, the OPEN-ANDROID-ALLIANCE: http://www.h-online.com/open/Open-Android-Alliance-formed--/news/114347 , in google's house: http://code.google.com/p/open-android-alliance/

Like they say:

"We aim to replace all closed source, proprietary applications in the base Android install with open source applications that can be freely distributed. We don't have anything against the existing closed applications, however, we believe in open platforms and want all users to be able to modify their systems as they see fit.

Above all, remember, we are NOT "Anti-Google". We are "Pro-Android". Please act accordingly when posting on this project. "

I think it's now possible achieve what openmoko didn't.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] poly_poly-man:
Can someone explain to me how the data connection works? It appears that you turn the data on (a command to smd0?), then simply put pppd on smd1... can someone explain the details? I'd like to try this out in Mer.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] mysteryvortex:
I was thinking more along the lines of the script automatically downloading or using a pre-downloaded official source, such as a firmware update. Extracting the binaries from the official image and embedding them into the unofficial image. Looks as though Cyanogen had the same idea, only pulling it from the live phone instead of an update image.

Do you think that Google would pull an app that saves their apps to the SD card from the Market? ;)

-Mysteryvortex
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Dukenukemx:
Pixolex, more then likely Google acted for other companies like HTC, who have invested into the Google Android.

Once the Android OS is ported perfectly onto some devices, it'll quickly makes it way onto older phones. This will literally breath life into aging phones. This concerns companies like HTC, who rely on people buying new phones.

Google only attacked Cyanogen, because he was well known. It's a great way to get the message out, that their applications are not open source.

For Google's intent, it won't end well. People are already working hard to replace those applications, which could push people to replacing that "Google" experience. Not that it won't stop people from just taking it if they really wanted it anyway.