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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] badbrad4080:
lmao, you can keep your money its not a requirement, are you just trying to justify your reason of being mean? He just want money for his time, which people are willing to donate and probably wont do anything for this forum again due to negative feedback you guys give towards donating, he has started and people who want to donate after hes done is no prop :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] badbrad4080:
Initially thats what he said but read after that and stop posting useless stuff please!!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] slovoflud:
Question to Mods

I've got a question to our Mods

What's going to happen when we finally get a fully working version of Android? We'll have apps developed specifically for Kaiser, roms etc... (I presume) Obviously we wont be able to put everything here, nor it is a good idea to have WM soft and ROMs mixed with androids'... Will we have a separate thread for Android?	xda-developers	> Kaiser > Android Development ? something like this?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] hypest:
you've said it all...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] hypest:
really, what is that suppose to mean?!?!?

Perhaps such words is the reason people here are "attacking" you and your friend... This community is really able to say "thank you"s, so please ask yourself why they are "attacking"...

I myself, have contributed some small things, and kindly provide a link in my signature for donations. I added the link long after the initial release of the project (Barcorama), haven't received any donations yet but still, I continue to contribute! The philosophy here is, I (like so many others in here) like to develop and share FOR NOTHING!!

I think that, your friend will be mostly welcomed here, as soon as he will be willing to spend his time.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] GuySparkz:
does anyone know if HTC and Google will ever release official OEM ROM andriod for the tilt or kaiser, or will we be windows mobile forever?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] atenrok:
they won't. It was stated clearly on the press-conference.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] echofloripa:
Regarding donations and the SD drivers

Ok Guys, I know the whole thing of the opensource philosophy and such and suc. But why not give the guy a chance to show his work? Then afterwards, if people want, they can donate. Dcordes, please would you make available you pay-pal for donations please? I believe, more than anyone here you've done a great job in setting up for us android for kaiser.

best regards

Emerson
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] syphern:
as I have said before and im sure many people agree

I will be thrilled when a fully working version of Android is released for Kaiser and will gladly donate to whomever does it.

Before that my money stays in my pocket!

So why doesnt the person whos asking for donations make the product first and THEN ask and im sure 100% he will get a much better response and a higher number of donations.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] dagentooboy:
I just ordered a G1.... if there is anything I can do to help you guys once I get it I will. As far as a WM device I don't think the tilt is that great but you guys have made HUGE strides in the Android arena. I still have yet to place or receive a call in Android on my tilt but it looks better and better every time you guys update the 1st post.

Thanks for all your efforts and let me know if I can help with my G1.

:):):)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] cyberazi:
too bad here in asia i cant grab on a g1 yet
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] drownage:
@ all...

We are getting off topic... This thread is in the ROM section.. so we should be talking about technical stuff... as for donation... no one can force it... people make them at their will... so move on from that topic...

@ dagentooboy

OMG when do u get the phone? We need you to ask he cooks and figure out a way to image the phone so we can create a new zimage for the Tilt... We cant help much until we understand how it works on the G1, but I think it should atleast boot up on the Kaiser since they use almost the same chipset... Qualcomm MSN 7200 versus 7210...

@ all

I repeat my question earlier... Has anyone tried to recompile a new zimage from Android SDK 1.0 libraries because its supposively has more compatibility...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] biscuits1978:
Okay, he's started it. What *I* was talking about (keep reading):

So under your statement, a payment of $10+ would land me a version of Android with a minimal WM install? Without the donation, I wouldn't be able to test this version out, thumbs up or down, and then give the donation?

That was my concern, and I'm sure it was a concern for others as well. I'm not going to hold my breath on your friend's development. I'm with the others when I say that if your friend presents their work and I'm impressed with it, I'll gladly donate.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] slovoflud:
you, two, have similar nicknames...

let's get back to the Subject?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] dagentooboy:
MY phone should be here Oct 22nd. If you find a way to dump the zimage let me know.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] ArfArf:
I just DL'd the Android ROMs from the first page and ran it on the phone in my sig. It fired up Android immediately, 10/10, but there are screen alignment issues and once I select any of the icons the phone locks up and I have to soft-reset.

I don't know if this community is going to get a fully viable running version for the Tilt/Kaser, but I look forward to it if someone can.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] cyberazi:
yah man i'm just waiting till a workable rom is done
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] dcordes:
this is a known problem. try flashing a newer rom. it's also described in the README.txt.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] aethermade:
This freezes a lot for me, and when I received a call it went straight to speaker phone, but other than that it's pretty cool.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] badbrad4080:
Yes hes stripping it now and says hes about 20% done with whole project Thats is completely fine, I dont blame you and thank you for your respect:) unlike other memebers who call me and him scam artist :mad:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] biscuits1978:
How were you able to receive a call on it? I didn't think the radio was developed for this build.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] imgladuhateme555:
thanks for the response... i read over the readme but i cant seem to find where these problems are outlined...

but i flashed a new rom... now it still gets past the haret screen wheres it loads but then a black screen pops up and a bit of text scrolls... the last few lines again are

mice: ps/2 mouse device common for all mice

GPIO Event Driver

i2c /dev entries

and the log file looks the same as i previously posted

is this the problem that u stated was described in the readme?

thanks for the help.

edit: i also just upgraded to the rom stated in the first post... not sure how u can get this to boot 10/10... still same error for me.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] aethermade:
I have no idea. I was playing with it at work because it was a slow day, when someone called me unexpectedly. I had to use the arrow buttons to press "answer call" or whatever and there she was on the speaker phone, talking to me...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] bornwild:
Right...who's he? He should pay me 10 bucks to test his efforts out....I'll only test out stuff from people who pay $10 or more.

Regards,

NM
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] badbrad4080:
no hes doesn't need any testers, he has my kaiser which is now the tester.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Civil:
Wow. That's convenient. :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] webPragmatist:
I'll just donate to them (if they are going to be the same way as you about it) so they can give me a version that they got for donating to you and then put it up for everyone else to donate to me (at their own will).

I know I know, brilliant! Just thought of it. :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] slovoflud:
comments like these are unnecessary at all.

For all we know those guys are trying to help. Initial claim "he'll do it for $300" was, of course OTT and perhaps offending people like dcordes (and many others) who has done ALOT and have not asked for a penny. But then they've realized how to go about it and are doing it anyway, asking for a donation, just like 80% of all XDA members do, even if all they've done is set up a 4Shared account, which is not rocket science or even driver writing...

Just wait and see. Stop bashing people, they've done nothing wrong. Asking money for your time and knowledge is not wrong at all, we all do it when we get paid at work.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] chrisw05:
My name is chris i rarly post im usualy just lurkin around the boards... Ive been testing all the roms/apps you all make so i would appreciate a donation of $20 for all the thrills and excitment i get out of some of them? hers my paypal

thisisajoke@quitaskingfordonations.now... just my two cents maybe the cheifs can put this paypal link in there sig and post were they show of their roms but the whole donation thing has got real crazy lately it seems. dont get me wrong we apriciate all your work but if your trying to make a livin off donations i think ur better off on a corner with a sign that say "Will Mod Your Phone" than askin on here lol. Okay im not sure how everyone will take this no offence to anyone just thought id give my two cents lol
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] oxman:
Hi,

Does it work on a Raphael ?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] fredbred:
Hi,

somehow I get the feeling that this thread is loosing the focus from android it had in the beginning...

(not only)Therefore, I have some questions:

1) Is the project still focused on porting the android to Kaiser(not defocused like this thread)?

2) Are / will the files in the first post be(ing) updated on some regular basis or is there any other place to go for new versions?

3) Will there any bigger develop-jump with the G1 relase?

4) In relation to OpenMOKO - can there be any app shared and/or more?

Thanx
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] cyberazi:
???haiz.. pls focus
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] dwaradzyn:
1. and 4. Almost all the work needed to be done is Linux kernel related. There are few guys working on this almost everyday. Read the readme.txt (url is in first post) for details.

2. Thanks to dcordes readme.txt and bootkits are updated (urls in first post).

3. It will help a little. If google releases full sources for G1 kernel it will help a lot.

4. Basically you cannot run X apps under Android. OpenMOKO gui is based on X Windows. Android is not. You can always have both on the same phone and boot the one you need.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] shazzy84:
t-mobile G phone

Has everyone heard of the g-phone thats coming out in oct22? First phone with google andriod as a UI. Pretty damn cool.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] slovoflud:
http://androidcommunity.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6833#post6833
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] cboy007:
what?! google android?! it's REAL? NO WAY.

read the thread, this is common knowledge. people are working on porting it. and it's no a g-phone it's an htc phone running android (google's OS).
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] biscuits1978:
I think he was referring to the name of the phone given to the HTC phone (G1). I'm seriously thinking about picking one of them up as soon as I'm ready for an upgrade (I think February or March next year). That should give enough time for them to work out the bugs in that phone AND to move 3G to my area in Cleveland. Sorry, I love my Tilt but unfortunately T-Mobile doesn't want their 3G in a frequency range that the Tilt can grab ahold of. :(
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] dcordes:
4. is a nice topic. did you try Xfbdev on your kaiser, dwaradzyn?

edit: here it usually refuses to display anything but the X wallpaper and the cursor pixmap. the touchscreen works well with tslib.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] bornwild:
Well, if he did it like everyone and posted a working Android ROM for everyone to use and then asking for some donations, he would not be violating the Law. Like this, asking for money in order to get the Android, he's breaking the law. Android is an Open-Source GNU GPL software.

He should be doing it out of passion for the GPL cause and Android...not to make a buck or two. Enough said.

Back to Android. I have no programming skills whatsoever...so what can I do to help with the development at all? I'm a good graphic designer :o
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] cboy007:
stuff

me too! i have cincinnati bell (in cincinnati - big surprise), and they are currently leeching their EDGE / GPRS / towers off ATT, so i got the tilt and was like "yay 3g should work in a few months when they get it up"

then i emailed them and they responded that nothing was set in stone but, (and i quote), "cincinnati bell will be switching to the industry STANDARD in 3g spectrum - the 1700 / 2100 bands"

i was like "wait, WTF. thats not european bands, that's not ATT bands, what is that!?" took me a while to realize that it's t-mobile 3g bands....

so i'm going to be getting SOME android phone that has tmobile 3g...probably the dream and unlock it and use it for cincinnati bell.

i've only had windows mobile for like 2 months, and have a love / hate relationship...i LOVE a lot of it, but hate some simple things like how non-finger friendly it is and how it's harder to send to multiple contacts than it was ON MY OLD RAZR. also inserting contact info into a text...it attaches it as vcard, not just copying the number. bleh.

HOW IS THIS RELEVANT TO THIS THREAD :

i will be getting an android phone that works with cincinnati bell 3g. yay.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] sswalia:
it seems like the vogue image is really making progress. It seems like it is almost fully functional-- i still dont think they have functional gps driver- or the ability to write to nand. But they have fairly reliable call in/out and also have the ability to save contacts and such.

Maybe when dzo (martin) is finished with working on the vogue he can help us focuss on the kaiser?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] dwaradzyn:
I missed the point where touchscreen started to work with tslib. I'm quite busy these days but should manage to give it a try tomorrow. If I remember correctly there was some compatibility issues with tslib and android touchscreen. Is there a special .config flag for that?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] slovoflud:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Kaiser#Android

WIKI Update. (just a copy of the latest README.TXT)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] dcordes:
you didn't miss anything since the non-android touchscreen patch is not in git.

edit: I made a folder with the patch, tslib settings, calibration file and the xev output I get: http://linuxtogo.org/~lgorris/index.php?path=tslib-kaiser/
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] mrpotts:
Can a novice do this?

Hi all,

I don't like WinMobile. I am also a novice with phone programming but I am PC literate. Can a novice put Android on a Kaiser at this time without to much difficulty?

I know there is alot of info here and I am reading through it, but over 100 pages! I don't think I have the time to study every page :<

Thanks,

Phil
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] webPragmatist:
Don't tease us with that word! :eek:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] slovoflud:
Everything you need to know is in the first ten lines of the first post. the rest is:

"I don't like WinMob. Haret freezes on 99%. How come you have sound and I don't... Are you in 3G area? 300 bucks anyone? no? ok.... "

:)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] mrpotts:
Thanks for that. I'm not getting the last line though?

Cheers
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] xmoo:
dcordes holla @ me on msn.

Got somethin for ya!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] slovoflud:
that's because you haven't read through the 100 pages of this thread...

it's a sum up
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] mrpotts:
ok, thanks. working on it :>
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] slovoflud:
guys, something new?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] xmoo:
Secret :P

Gonna tell if it works.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] cijoml:
Don't make us crazy, man! :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] echofloripa:
TELL US TELL US TELL US!!! :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] slovoflud:
you fixed the Large Hadron Collider?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] echofloripa:
Dcordes:

Did it work or not?????
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] webPragmatist:
I pray every night that Android will work on my phone soon. It mostly includes a prayer for sanity and a request to postpone the one day I throw the Kaiser across the room because WM6 is so horrible.

Amen. :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] slovoflud:
Amen, brother!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] xmoo:
Amen! even that I am a Muslim :P

But, he wasn't on msn, so I mailed him.

Waiting for respone.

The thing is:

We have some plans/tricks in wm6.1.

We want to work these out, and then try to boot Android 0.9 on it.

I can't tell you much more, It's Secret :P
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Mikulec:
This is real teasing marketing.LOL.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] slovoflud:
and then 1.0 ?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] xmoo:
What Kinda Marketing is this?? We are doing this for free!

0.9 works like 1.0 So it probably will not work.

But i'ma give it a try. First installing ubuntu on my Laptop.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] jug6ernaut:
Just because something is being marketed does not mean its being sold. Marketing is a process of advertising something, it does not necessarily have to be for sale. ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] export800:
Sort of like Android. ;)

Now if there is a free program/os and someone is hacking it for free... is it still free? ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] dcordes:
as in beer or freedom of speech?

edit: android is only free as in free beer. somebody said early android was free and open source software. that's funny :) but a good indicator the google marketing shows its effects. the only free and open source software is the linux kernel on top of which android is running.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] slovoflud:
so... android is not open source? i'm a bit confused now... sorry
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] export800:
I was thinking more along the lines of "If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Mikulec:
Marketing is not just about money. Also non-profit organizations use marketing.

Teasing advertisement or marketing is when u say just a little bit of some information and everybody want to know the whole info not just the piece of that info.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] pfcsabre:
Now what happened to the "1.0" thing after all that marketing? :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] mrpotts:
Sum up for Dummies

Hi all,

Thanks for responded to my earlier posts even though I admitted to not reading this post through yet. So, let me be straight up, I have read the first 10 pages and the last 30 pages of this post. There's alot of good work been done here, kudos to all those.

So let me see if I am up to date here. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

1. At the moment, there is no android ROM software for us to do a clean install on our Kaisers.

2. You can load Android onto our Kaisers as a shell program over Windows Mobile (similar to the first years of the Windows Dos situation). Everything you need to do this is located here: <http://linuxtogo.org/~lgorris/index.php?path=kaiser-bootkit/>

3. This shell Android solution is still not bug free. I'm still not clear on this. Phone seems to work, but what's the speakerphone issue? Does bluetooth work? Android may not boot up correctly everytime? What other current bugs should one expect?

4. Some other questions if I may:

A) Is this the step-by-step instructions for installing Android onto the Kaiser, <http://linuxtogo.org/~lgorris/kaiser-bootkit/README.txt>?

B) Will I still be able to use the AT&T service SIM cards?

C) Will I be able to import contacts?

D) What is the ETA till a clean Android ROM install will be available for the Kaiser?

Thanks in advance for any responses to this lengthy questioning post.

Phil
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] schettj:
First boot for me of 0.9 - looking good... how's 1.0?

:D

Hats off to everyone who's worked on this. It's made a lot of progress since I checked a few months ago. I've got a kaiser up to speed and able to boot the current 0.9 version... which is still pretty twitchy in places, but you can see how it's going to work...

I'm guessing 1.0 fixes many ills? At any rate, another lurker checking in, giving the big thumbs up, and eagerly awaiting the next code drop. In the meantime, does anyone have any hints on bringing up the data link on AT&T? If it's buried in this thread somewhere, just tell me to go hunting for it...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] slovoflud:
are you sure you booted 0.9?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] schettj:
Am I sure? No.. :D

I downloaded the version you have in your sig... whatever version that is:

zImage-2.6.25-pm	09-Aug-2008 17:51	1.2M

I assumed that was .9 - if not, my bad.

The other link (http://it029000.massey.ac.nz/vogue/) had images using sdk 0.9 in September, I assumed your build was tracking his. No matter - you're making great progress either way. Is his build bootable on a Kaiser?

Not sure I can help other then trying stuff out, but at least I've got my tilt setup now so it can boot via haret successfully. How do you "Login with user root, password is blank."? I'm not seeing any console app in the image I'm running.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] dcordes:
zImage is the linux kernel. it does not affect the version of the android userland you use.

android.bin is the initial ramdisk (for ram booting) with the 0.8 filesystem dzo initially created for the vogue.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] schettj:
Ah - gotcha. So then I was running 0.8 android.

Didn't realize they were just layering on top of a straight linux kernel. Interesting.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] mrpotts:
Anyone, Anyone??