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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] j101399j:
Same here, the dont-be-evil version, I can assess the background data opetion in the settings menu; most programs crash, can't sync with google, browser works, but slowloy, and can't access contacts and sms has issues. I went back to the last Ion build and works great.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] j101399j:
sound...

So far the external audio sucks. I am using the audio-fix(no bluetooth) kernel from 9/13 and the sound is a lot better. Hopefully that fix will be in the next kernel? I would love good audio and a working camera

[edit] just noticed there is a new kernel with the audio fix. Going to try and will report.

@ DZO THANK YOU!!!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] bpedman:
voice search

Is voice search supposed to work? Whenever I try it, it just hangs. Also, I don't think the speaker phone works, is that supposed to work as well?

thanks...off to try the new camera kernel, woohoo
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] j101399j:
New kernal audio is great, thank you
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] 160bpm:
I have flashed my current 1.71.09.01 Radio to 1.65.24.36

And flashed my AthenOS to Solace 3.1

Let see what happend now for my Battery.

I have also add haret.lnk to the startup folder so it starts directly when WinMo is done :) ... No manual action to startup Android

elevator=noop - Where is this good for? It was add to your line in default.txt
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] enatefox:
I moved from AthineOS to Solace 3.1 too. Something odd happened where HardSPL got wiped out and certain Android builds give me a white screen, boot loop forever or the radio doesn't work. Maybe the phone is on its way out too. I think it was related to AthineOS since things were okay before I flashed it.

Correct me if I'm wrong here (pmos69) but noop means no scheduling on the bus. SD cards are pretty efficient at managing I/O and to have the CPU waste cycles to manage processes again doesn't make much sense. Then I'm not too clear on how the different elevator settings really apply anyways as I think everything is still trumped by the Completely Fair Scheduler, CFS. I know that certain devs have been looking into BFS instead so I don't know how much noop negates any system-side scheduling as opposed to the SD card's inbuilt one.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] pmos69:
no need to add that any more. noop is now the default ioscheduller.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] pmos69:
Yes, ioschedullers like anticipatory (the old default) are supposed to optimize the movement of the heads on magnetic disks. They are of no use on flash data (besides taking cpu cycles).

CFS and BFS are a different type of schedullers: They are task schedullers, not io schedullers.

We use CFS. BFS might be interesting but is very dificult to port to 2.6.25.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] dasilva333:
is the ability to output sound via the mini usb ever going to be supported? thats pretty much the only thing now that the camera works that makes me have to reboot to be able to open an audio file in winmo just to output via usb adapter to 3.5 mm to the speakers.

speaking of camera has

1.anyone had success with fxCamera or PRO Paint cam? the manual focus is actually pretty cool but the filters don't work yet.

2. anyone been successfull in scanning a bar code? so far no luck doing an UPC or EAN bar code but ive been able to detect a 5 inch QR code but not a 2.5 in QR code and been able to use SnapTell and Amazon to submit various products to be succesfully recognized

Also on a side note im using the cyanogen rom its still 1.5 but it runs faster than the slew ive tried that are more recent. so my mix is : 09-19 basefiles, 10-10 zImage, unknown 1.5 variation cyanogen rom. the camera.apk doesn't work but all the other apps i mentioned work.

Is there a newer camera.apk i can try to replace with the built in one? at this point id hate to upgrade to a differnet system.sqsh since i'm still perfecting the method of backing up all my stuff so i can move to the next rom. I tried 'Backup for Root Users', Sprite Backup & ASTRO. Let me know if anyone has a simple easy app that you have had success with.

Edit: Has anyone had success with a rom that can figure out where you are via cell triagulation? In all the roms I ever tried I only found one that it worked with but I forgot which one it is by now. If there is a recent or semi recent rom that you can confirm it works in let me know thanks.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Niscandia:
I haven't had much trouble with using the USB adapters to output sound while in Android. I will say that I make sure the program is fully exited before plugging in the USB to 2.5/3.5 adapter, then start the program. Other wise it seems to be hit and miss as Android doesn't like to change audio outputs on the fly at this time.

I'm using one of the newer USB to 3.5 stereo/2.5 headset/USB headset/USB charger. And the only main problem is that 3.5 stereo and a 2.5 headset can't be plugged in at the same time.... But I believe that is hardware not software doing that (haven't tried both in WM, since I have bluetooth there...)

As for what builds I've been doing that for about a month now, and changing though the zimages. Systems are normally Ion/rogers. But on the fly changing to USB audio out doesn't seem to work, but before the app starts is different.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] dasilva333:
wow i can't believe i didn't realize that, yes you are correct sir after playing around with the order of connecting things and realizing the volume was set too low to output any sound i have succesfully output sound with both my 3.5 mm adapters. tunewiki ftw! thanks niscandia now i really have no reason to go to winmo, anyone have an update to the progress of creating an android bootloader?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] j101399j:
Just tried the newest kernel with manual focus, and for the life of me, I can't get it to work (spinning the wheel or holding it down while i spin it)? any ideas? Anyone else get it working?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] pmos69:
It's not just a question of the bootloader. There's some hardware initialization being done by WM that is still needed.

The bootloader is still not a priority.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] zc2:
WM as an Android bootloader

Would you recommend a WM ROM to boot itself as fast as possible?

Currently I use official AT&T WM 6.1 on AT&T Tilt.

It loads itself a couple minutes. Can I minimize that time using a different WM ROM?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] pmos69:
I'm sure there are some minimalistic WM roms out there, but I'm not the right person to point a good one, sorry.

Perhaps someone else can help you...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] poly_poly-man:
2 things:

#1: can the battery life issue be looked at with high priority? I'll look, but I don't know where to start...

#2: why won't a kernel that I build directly off our kernel tree boot? it simply hangs at the point where it would normally start the shiny android splash.... I just wanted to try out the camera...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] zakmcintyre:
New Kernel w/ Manual Focus Trial

Works for me so far. Tried it in a dim car and focused in on dashboard clock. Was able to increas focus to clarity by tirning wheel counter, and then out of focus by turning clockwise I believe. As far as practical, well-lit picture taking I dunno yet. Remember it is focus, not zoom.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] ajclai08:
tried a cupcake themed build on vouge-hero, looks just like donut in 240x320, uses donut widgets. This was what i needed until donut gets more compatible. Everything works and speedy like the latest ion, though sleep mode fully works, unlike my last ion setup..not sure if it was the latest kernel or not. The phone doesnt wake up when u press other keys besides the power. The screen also gradually fades off, i couldnt see that on recents builds i tried. Downsides is looks simular to xrom and shares the same issues, no power off and shows headshow icon
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] zakmcintyre:
Wifi Issues

Is anyone able to establish a working wifi connection using the 9-12 system and basefiles also using the newest zimage with manual focus? I am able to get a connection, but no data transfer will occur. I ran the "getrom" script to establish a calibration and romdump file after I couldn't get it to work. Any help would be great!

EDIT: I am using an ATT Tilt w/ Hyperdragon Iolite rom w/ radio 1/64. something or other.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] j101399j:
how far away were you from the clock? I tried on a close up bar code, and never got it to focus and did not see any change ion the foucs when I was turning the dail. Maybe I am just not seeing it; I tried looking at a few different things and the picture focus (not zoom) never changes

[Edit] I am so brain dead; I edit the dafault.txt file to match the name of the new zImage; and forgot to update my default.txt file with the new name.

HEY I was able to focus on a bar code; shop shavy did not read it; but the soon possibility is there :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] poly_poly-man:
so... a build that I make myself will not boot, and trying to download from the google code page the latest zImage (its description matches up with the latest git commits) seems to have no effect - no camera and the wheel is still up/down. what?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] yana209:
Hi,

I downloaded the latest build for Kaiser and successfully installed it. I can't make data connection to work. Edited 'default.txt' according to APN settings for my carrier (Vodacom) but can't connect. Additionally Setting > Wireless Settings > APN , I don't see anything. It's all blank there.

Any help?

EDIT: It's working now. I had to press "menu" button, I only though the button going to appear as soft button then I checked the mapping on the first page. Glad it's working now :D Now Android looks cool :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] guymanx09:
snagged the new zImage, camera and manual focus are working!

Tried ShopSavvy and Barcode Beasties. Both end up force closing, but after the camera comes up. They seem to force close when the barcode is recognized, but the programs themselves still run fine, they don't crash to the home screen or anything, just don't seem to scan in the barcodes.

Amazing work, guys! Thanks so much for working on the project!

EDIT: Just tried Keyring, Force Close came up as soon as the camera was active, though I could see the camera working behind the FC popup. Keyring DOES close to the home screen.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] 160bpm:
Lifetime Battery = LONGER now... before phone shutdown with 10% batterly now i put the phone on the loader and he was 3% battery

GPS is also faster...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] garringm:
That was added in a long time ago, I just never got around to taking it out of my command line, besides I never really seen any benefit to it. It was something that was thrown out there when the custom config files came into play if I remember correctly
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] poly_poly-man:
hmm, decided to flash another radio, and by magic my camera started working... :confused:

anyway, the barcode scanner program from zxing does crash - that's unfortunate.

Has anyone tried actually taking a picture using the camera app? It seems that, although the preview works right, pictures get chopped up strangely.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] pmos69:
Sure, don't expect big benefits from small changes, but the cumulative effect of a lot of them is positive.

The old iosheduller (anticipatory) wasted cpu cycles trying to optimize the movement of the disk reading heads on the surface of your magnetic disk.

Do you have a hard disk in your phone? ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] j101399j:
I have been able to take pictures, the preview is choppy right after I take the picture; but when I look at the picture it is ok; no great, but I'm not complaining in any way. I have tired the bar code scanners, and so far no luck yet; though mine don't crash; they just don't see the bar code.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] poly_poly-man:
wow, seems you're right - the preview of the picture just taken is messed up, but the picture is alright...

...one of my pictures did come out messed up (purple line across the whole thing)...

Also, on an unrelated note - what's up with radio versions? As in, I thought the screen (not really using the framebuffer?) was unrelated to the radio... on 1.65.24.36, it seems the translucent background effect (hold the power button to see what I mean) has messed-up colors, but on 1.71.09.01 it is correct...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] enatefox:
Having a messed up ROM can give wildly unpredictable results as I know too well so I can only imagine the same is true of the radio.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] TEAM17:
With the new update, i got a black screen. I deleted data.img, moved the old *.user.conf to sdcard/conf....

Something is missing ?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] TEAM17:
My problem is the system.sqsh.

I switched from Hero to Ion by changing the old file system.sqsh (new file : http://www.scarlet-arrow.com/index.php?page=ion_091309). Anyone can make it works with HERO ?

Thanks

EDIT : i found the link : http://code.google.com/p/vogue-hero/downloads/list

Thanks btw, working now
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] lupick:
could you post your default.xtx I've some issue with resolution. I've tested Tatoo system.sqsh but it's really slow.... I'll test Motorola version now...

L.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] TEAM17:
Motorola is working but the system requests to open an account online. Can't get the wifi working and I have no data session active.

Tatoo : black screen after the htc logo :(

set RAMSIZE 0x07000000
set RAMADDR 0x10000000
set FBDURINGBOOT 0
set MTYPE 1553
set KERNEL zImage
set initrd initrd.gz
set cmdline "board-htckaiser.panel_type=2 ppp.apn=wapsfr ppp.username=none ppp.password=none ppp.proxy=195.115.25.129 ppp.port=8080 pm.sleep_mode=1 mddi.width=320 mddi.height=480 lcd.density=160 no_console_suspend board-kaiser-keypad.atttilt=1"
boot
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] TEAM17:
I'm disapointed with the latest basefiles... can't get wifi working now.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] 2girls1cup:
in order to get the motoblur up and running you have to have data enabled in your default.txt so it will automatically startup data on boot. Your default.txt should include:

ppp.username=WAP@CINGULARGPRS.COM ppp.password=CINGULAR1

take out the ppp.nostart=1
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] TEAM17:
Mine doesn't include that ... what is the signification of this value ?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] garringm:
This should be added in as well ppp.apn=wap.cingular

This determines whether or not your data connection is started at boot. 1= no start You can either take that part completely out of your cmd line or just removing the 1 works for me. I will say that you should have a data plan from your carrier if you use this little feature otherwise you may be charged for data usage. In your case your data connection should be started when you boot into android if you don't have this added.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] enatefox:
doesn't start PPP data
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] pmos69:
perhaps you can be more specific since nothing was changed in the latest basefiles relating wifi.

just tested rogers and xrom 1.5.

wifi is still working as before.

if you are talking about donut builds, wifi was not working before and is still not fixed. you're welcomed to help getting it working, of course.

blur and pulse might still have problems also since they are very early builds. again, you're welcomed to help getting it working.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] lupick:
using:

set cmdline "board-htckaiser.panel_type=2 ppp.apn=internet ppp.username=none ppp.password=none pm.sleep_mode=1 mddi.width=320 mddi.height=480 lcd.density=160 no_console_suspend board-kaiser-keypad.atttilt=1

the display look not so clear;

any idea how to have a better result??

L.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] lupick:
using this it's much better on my kaiser

set cmdline "board-htckaiser.panel_type=1 ppp.apn=internet ppp.username=none ppp.password=none pm.sleep_mode=1 mddi.width=320 mddi.height=480 lcd.density=160 no_console_suspend board-kaiser-keypad.atttilt=1
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] enatefox:
That's a really vague description. If you have the SDK you can take a screenshot so we know what "not so clear" looks like. The keyboard type does nothing to the screen. Your settings are like mine and things are good here.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] mike233:
I have noticed that adding "clock-7x00.a11=528" to default.txt/startup.txt causes some of the newest kernels to hang upon boot. Even though this is a "risky" parameter, I have found it worth the risk, since it has made Android MUCH faster for me. Does anyone know a way to make it work with the newest zImages?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] lupick:
it seems that

board-htckaiser.panel_type=1

instead of

board-htckaiser.panel_type=2

give to me a better result

L.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] pmos69:
that parameter is dependant on your specific hardware. you're supposed to try the different values to see what kind of hardware panel your kaiser has.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] zakmcintyre:
Wifi working w/ 9-12 system and basefiles?

I also am unable to get wifi to transfer data. I am able to start wifi and connect to my unsecured wireless router w/ no problem, but there is no data transfer that occurs using browsers or apps. I ran the old getrom script to get romdump and calibration files to see if that would help but so far, nothing. Wifi has worked for me in other builds and files in the recent past. I have an ATT Tilt running Hyperdragon Iolite rom and radio 1.64. something (but these have never been an issue). Thanks so much for everything!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] enatefox:
I've got issues with wifi as well. It connects and I have to disable data roaming and any data settings. I can get the browser to work but Market is timing out and I can't sign in at all. Seems to be a recent thing. I'll take a look because I don't think this is too hard to fix. Using xROM and Hero btw (I know about Donut..). Must be in rootfs.img but can anyone confirm that it's not from a newer kernel?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] pmos69:
hummm, just fired up micro-hero and got both browser and market working ok over wifi...

(using latest basefiles and 11/10 kernel with TempHack)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] zakmcintyre:
Wifi Issues...

So are you able to get voice input and camera working w/ the latest basefiles and these other systems images? I was under the impression that I was handcuffed to 9-12 for all files (including ion system) except flor the kernel for these two latest additions to work. If wifi was working with this 9-12 set of files (along with the newest kernels) then I would be happy as a lark!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] enatefox:
Weird too, seems only signing in to Google is timing out for me on 3 different networks with 2 different builds. Using 11/10 kernel and latest basefiles.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] pmos69:
Camera and wifi are all working in cupcake with the latest basefiles and kernels

Tested those with xROM 1.5r4c today.

Not sure about voice input, since it's not something I test that often.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] enatefox:
And I noticed that the HTC Camera and Camcorder apps FC on me. The Market apps do work but it's easy to break the camera support in them. Like previewing a scene, going to settings and back and settings and back and it will be a black screen or FC. Just a heads up on it since reopening the app brings it right back again. The quality of the image is really impressive despite having been pushed to GC so quickly. Thanks again dzo! Can someone tell me what app supports manual focus?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] leefur5:
is there a specific Rom that works best?

Sorry for the length of this, and if it should be posted somewhere else, let me know - this is my first post here.

I finally got the ION build working correctly on my AT&T Tilt - I can place and recieve calls (and disconnect them - boy was that frustrating), get online, access wifi, and access and download apps from the market. I've tried a ton of builds, and ION seems to be the snappiest - and I love the basic look of it, i'm not so much into the hero builds.

The problem is that I have no sound at all outside of calls, and even then, it's half broken - I can hear the caller, but they can't hear me. My mic doesn't pick up any sound at all, and the speakers don't output any sound, so oustide of listening to the person I'm on the phone with (who can't hear me), I can't hear ringers, music, voice record, any of that (volume settings are correct)

I've been using an ATT Tilt for a while now, and it has an older ROM and radio that I think is to blame (but if anyone has any other ideas, let me know). I'm using ROM version 1.62.505.0 and radio version 1.27.14.09 with an old HTC Touch build (I don't remember which one exactly). Is much as I love this build, I REALLY want to get android fully working, so I figure its time to flash again.

Is there a ROM that has been confirmed to work well with the ion andriod builds, that looks similar to to the touch? Is there a touch2 ROM or something like that, that I might be able to use?

Also, I use Sprite Backup to back up my data - once I flash a new ROM (which would also include the new radio, right?), will I be able to restore my data?

Note that I knew what I was doing back in the day, and I set up the Tilt the way I wanted almost 2 years ago, but I've forgotten almost all of it all since, so be gentle.

Thanks in advance
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Rhys'Droid:
I would say that it is probably your radio that is to blame. You can flash radios separately from the ROM, but you have to make sure that the radio is compatible with whatever ROM you are running. Search for the "Ultimate Radio" thread (probably close to the top) and find a radio that works for you. For reference I am running 1.71.09.01 with Witschey's minimal 6.5 rom and everything works pretty well.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=393182
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Rhys'Droid:
Oh, and FYI, I NEVER use Windows Mobile any more...i consider it just a boot loader for Android. Android is just THAT MUCH BETTER (IMHO) than any WinMo ROM. Thats why I run a minimal ROM, it boots very quickly and gets me to Android that much faster whenever I need to reboot my phone...