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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] zenity:
To run from SD card you will need 1 micro-sd card, formatted FAT32, at least 1GB, 2Gb is better. you don't need to partition the SD card, a nice stable Android install does not need it, yes it's faster, but more complicated.

You need the Haret Base Files plus the androidinstaller.tar of the build you wish to run.

As a newcomer to Android I'd recommend Myn's Warm Donut as a starting point, as it is, ( in my personal opinion), fast, stable, and the most feature-complete build for Kaiser.

Warm donut is available here, along with install instructions for Haret, ( SD card ), and Nand, ( wipes Winmo and installs to kaiser memory ).

The kaiser NBH files you have seen mentioned are for Nand installs, so you don't have to bother with them, ( yet, Once you run from SD for a while you may wish to wipe windows forever ;) ).

The radio version you are running should be ok, just that newer radios are more stable.

So to break it down, you will need:

Haret install package for Myns warm donut (rls5): http://www.mediafire.com/?miw2uzjjzjq

Unzip the install.zip to a convenient temporary folder, rename default-kaiser.txt to default.txt.

Format the SD card FAT32,

Copy the andboot folder from the temporary folder to the root of the SD card.

Put the SD card in the phone, ( or navigate to it if you copied the files direct to sd via activesync), open andboot folder and find haret.exe, run it, you should see the initial boot text scroll past, Watch For The 'Press dpad centre key' message, it occurs during a short pause in the boot process, Once you see this Press and Hold the dpad centre key until you get the installer menu.

Once you get the installer menu simply follow the install process, don't worry about message telling you about wiping the system, this refers to the Android system, not Winmo.

Once the installer has finished it will return to the main installer menu, choose 'Quit' to exit the installer menu and continue booting android.

At this point it may not boot correctly, the first run after install sometimes does this, simply reboot or pull the battery and restart, then run haret again without going into the installer, android should boot fine.

That about wraps up the basic install, apologies if I forgot anything, I am doing this from memory since it's been at least 5 months since i ran haret/winmo ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] leona:
Wow Zenity, thank you, that was basic enough even for me to undersand :) That was very clear thank you, I will get the files and give it a whirl, All excited, the prospect for ridding myself of all M$ products is looming, this is great stuff, thank you.

EDIT:

Oh just a quick update, oh my god, It works! I couldn't not believe it, have not had chance to play with it much, strange that it came up with a load of T-mobile stuff, I assume this is the base ROM? So do I need a google account to make this work? So will have to work out how to get online with it, but, oh my god, just can't get over that. I did the 2 x ext2 partitions and it detected and installed fine, this is just sooooo cool.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] leona:
Hi again,

Well I've had a couple of hours to play with it now, to get the feel of it, still relly like it. Had go have a giggle at the operator "BT/Cellnet!" where does it get that from? :)

Where is a good place to ask questions about it though, for example the screen / icon are a bit cramped, like they're messed up, for example on the dialer I only see 2 columns of buttons not 3.

Also another reason I was interested in this wes Andriod's accessibility, I have reduced vision, so was hoping to get this part working, speach seems to work (or at least the tes did), but the other options are greyed out. Any thoughts?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] xPreSiDenT:
Make sure the default.txt(if you are running from haret) or nbh(if you are running from nand) have the correct resolution and correspondence with dpi. For resolution, you'll need to change nbh in case of nand or default.txt incase of haret(see mddi.width and mddi.height). For dpi, if youre running at 240x320, a dpi of 120,110, or 106 are pretty good. You can change the dpi in default.txt, in case of haret(see lcd.density), in case of nand, you can change dpi with an app called rogue tools, which comes bundled with most roms now, but if it isnt, you can find it on the market. If you are running 320x428, a dpi of 144 is optimal. The dpi value and resolution are mostly personal preferences though, so play with them and keep the ones you like.

I dont know much about accessibility, you can search the forums or the web for android accessibility and text to speech. I think tts comes installed in myns warm donut, not sure though.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] leona:
Thank you xPreSiDenT that fixed the problem, I found the rogue tools app and after a bit of trail and error (and a lot of resetting), set the dpi to 110 which fixes the spacing and dialer issue. I assume all Kaisers had the same screens, so why the need to change the res or dpi. oh well.

The side effect of this of course, is that its made all the text tiny, the WM6.1 has a text size option, does andriod have this? I tried looking around the options but couldn't find anything, its too small for me to be able to use sadly.

I am really chuffed that it works, and am still playing with it to see what it can do, even managed to get on the internet with it, can't tell whether I'm on G, E or H though. Buttons are bit weird, have to guess what button does what.

At the moment, however, its not making want to replace my WM Rom, maybe once I get get the fonts bigger and find a way to enable the accessibility features I'll feel better about it.

Looks like its a common problem, from the Android forum, lots of people complaining about the default size of the font in Android, hopefully this is something they have addressed?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] xPreSiDenT:
Hmm I've seen a text size option in some androids, but cant find it now, in warm donut. It most probably will be in the Eclair builds then. What resolution are you using? Try increasing the dpi abit, like 120 or something, that would increase the text size. About G, E or H, i think it has a tiny character up there in the data icon which shows that. That can vary with your theme though.

The reason there are options for resolution and dpi is because some android apps need a larger screen as they warent designed for phones with 240x320 resolution. Thats why many people use 320x428 with 144 dpi, as it provides reasonable clarity and size for almost all apps to work. Personally I havent yet used an app that doesnt work on 240x320, but the options are there to give you the choice.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] leona:
Hi xPreSiDenT

I'm using the default res of 240x320 at 110 dpi, if I increase the DPI I loose the buttons on the dialer, but at the default DPI the fonts are bigger, so swings and roundabouts I guess.

I have no idea how you build these releases, but reading through the forum posts, a post seem to suggest that there is a setting / config option for 'Font Scaling' could this be accessed / adjusted? It seems to suggest that its possible, but needs the 'developers' magic touch to make it happen?

As I say, I don't know what work needs to be done to port Android to our devices, but if someone is 'under the bonet' if they could find a way to mod the font size while they're there that would be cool, there's a lot of call for it, if they made an app to do it, there are people who'll pay for it!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] xPreSiDenT:
Im not a developer myself, I'm merely a user. However maybe the many helpful devs here could take a look at it. However as I said, there is a setting for font size in some android builds which I know worked. It was either in settings> sound and display, or in spare parts. Dont remember which although atm Im using myns warm donut and it doesnt have the option anywhere.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] leona:
While searching the forum I came across a post by Alexander-Vogt1 who seems to have fixed this issue, after I installed the patch I changed the dpi to 120, which is better but fonts are still to small for me.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] GuySparkz:
is android 2.1 available for the kaiser? where can i download it?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] zenity:
There are 2 eclair (2.1) builds to choose from, Polyrhythmics polymod 2.1, or Incubus' Super Eclair.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] DiMiK:
Kaiser keyboard

A stupid question:

Where are the repos with sources that are used in building kernels for kaiser?

Where is the source of keyboard driver? I have some free time, so I wanted to add the Russian lang to the hardware keyboard...

Sorry for my bad English)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] dcordes:
Hello,

It would be very nice to see russian keyboard support for kaiser in linux.

kernel:

http://htc-linux.org/wiki/index.php?title=Kernel#Kernel_for_QCT_MSM7xxx_.28non-A.29_based_devices

how to obtain code and compile:

http://htc-linux.org/wiki/index.php?title=QuickDeveloperStartGuide#Kernel

path to keypad file:

http://git.linuxtogo.org/?p=groups/...m/mach-msm/board-kaiser-keypad.c;hb=htc-vogue

You are very welcome to email patch to dzo M.J.Johnson <at > massey.ac.nz or me lukas < at> htc-linux.org along with author name/email you want to be shwon.

Maybe ask the author of this thread to add the kernel reference in first post.

best regards
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] DiMiK:
Well, It won' t be easy(((

There are many problems for introducing layout swithching inside android itself...

I will try to find a solution, but I think it will take much more time than I expected...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] raviator97:
Okay so I'm a noob among noobs here. Just got a used tilt, already flashed JJ's winmo 6.5 on it, trying to install Android on SD card and can't even get a progress bar. I've searched high and low in these forums and i am hoping someone can point me in the right direction for the problem I have:

I have downloaded everything I think I'm supposed to have and followed the directions to the T but when I select Haret and hit run, the "Listen for network connection" bar pops up, and phone immediately freezes and I end up having to do a soft reset. I've tried hitting different buttons (i.e. center button, volume up soft key, etc) after hitting run, I've let the phone sit for a while hoping maybe it's just getting itself together, but nothing. Am I missing a major step? Doing something wrong, I don't know but here is how my "default.txt" looks which was the default-kaiser:

#alloctest 0x2000

set RAMSIZE 0x08000000

set RAMADDR 0x10000000

set FBDURINGBOOT 0

set MTYPE 1553

set KERNEL zImage

set initrd initrd.gz

#

# The following kernel parameters are useful

# ppp.nostart=0	- Set ppp.nostart=1 to disable starting the ppp connection on boot

# msm_sdcc.msmsdcc_fmax - The maximum frequency (in Hz) used by the SD controller

# pm.sleep_mode=1 - The mode used when the phone is off

# 0=Power Collapse Suspend, 1=Power Collapse, 2=Apps Sleep,

# 3=Slow Clock and Wait for Interrupt 4=Wait for Interrupt

# Default is 1, use 1 for best power savings

# board-htckaiser.panel_type=3 - Panel type used to power the panel off and on

# 0=Don't power off the panel (Default)

# 1=Sony 2=Topoly 3=Topoly (probably just the same as 2)

# lcd.density - Defaults to 160, 128 shows more on screen

#

set cmdline "ppp.nostart=0 pm.sleep_mode=1 mddi.width=240 mddi.height=320 no_console_suspend board-kaiser-keypad.atttilt=0"

boot

Maybe I am missing something there. Also Everything is in the andboot folder including initrd, the latest zImage, media folder, and of course the android.tar or .tgz file. The card is formatted as FAT32 of course and nothing else is on it.

I have latest radio (I think) 1.65.21.18

I am good following directions to get something to work so if there is a solution for this and someone can point me in the right direction that would be good.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] howyalikdemapls:
Ughhh... So I've been fiddling with this for a month or so now, and Polymod 2.1 says that it is only compatible with radio 1.71. I'm very unexperienced so I was hesitant, but now that I'm not in school I thought I'd give it a whirl. After I updated my radio, my camera, GPS, data, and sound did not work in WinMo. I figured this was because my ROM was not compatible with my radio. I proceeded to install Android, but unfortunately none of those features worked on Android either, plus the screen looked all screwed up, I imagine from being set at the wrong pixelation. Anyways, I tried to revert back. I am now running my original radio and my sound and GPS appear to work in WinMo, but my data connection doesn't work anymore. What to do?

Edit: lol, feel like a retard. I'm still not sure why it wouldn't work, but as soon as I disconnected it from my PC it worked.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] cuteboypk:
Please guide me how to install zimage i am new searching from days
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] zenity:
Assuming Haret install, download new zImage, copy to andboot folder on SD card, run Haret.

Unless you are using Nand install, in which case, download new NBH, edit for your settings and build, rename/save to kaisimg.nbh, copy to root of SD card, reflash.

And why are you posting in this really old thread? lol, ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Doobla:
This is the problem I am having with my own SD Card. These quotes are from Page 131. The zImage that was provided to fix this issue is no longer on rapidshare. Is there somebody who can make sense of this and recompile a current zImage with these features supported please?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Julian1989:
Hello, I have a HTC Topaz/diamond 2, and I have the same problem. It says I have to unzip Rootfs. So whats the problem??
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] hjw666:
Good!!!!!!!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] zenity:
Perhaps this would be better asked in the Topaz forums? http://xdaforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=623
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] sjudah09:
I have the same problem. I do have the footfs.img file on the sd card and still when I run haret it comes up with the same message " Failed to find rootsfs on sd card, need to unzip or something is turned off it say. Please help. I'm tired of WIMO.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] zenity:
This is an old method now, you would do better trying one of the newer builds.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] karlik007:
I want flash Kaiser, but I need flash radio before instaling Android? because if I start android, I have problem with resolution of writing PIN and if I write PIN Android says me PIN is incorrect.

one question: need I Radio: 1.71.09.01?

thanks for answer
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] zenity:
For SIM pin you must disable this in WM before running android, SIM pin does not work correctly.

Radio version 1.65 or above is recommended for android, but this will not affect SIM pin, which has not been working for a long time now.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] karlik007:
thank you for a quick answer
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] zephr5:
How about the rest of us?

So you figured it out well that is great but what/how did you do it? I have and hd2 and it keeps telling me the same unzip rootfs but it already is on the sd card? HELP!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] hareshrina:
no phone

Does anyone know how to set my android to work on cmda network (verizon) I was load android perfectly on on htc touch pro 2 but it will not have phone signal. it was on airplane mode and i tried to get it of the airplain mode but it would not come out i am thing there is a setting that i am missing. so i think there is a setup issue there may be i am not doing. please help.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] drwolfford:
Delete the android folder boot again.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] joerobinson77:
How did you figure it out, I'm having the same problem........please help me.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] GuySparkz:
what is the fastest and easiest way to install android on the tilt? Right now Im on the hyperdragon IV Mega..

what android ROM is the fastest and most stable? preferably 2.2? Where can I download? Thanks.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] DarthLuda:
Would you please tell me how ???
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] r.lepecha:
tried running this and I always get the failure of failed to find system.img, what am i doing wrong? it says on the website the new build dont use system.img just put the androidinstal.tar in place of it, which ive done but it doesnt work.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] fbcyborg:
Yes! It actually happens to me too! No way to get android running on my kaiser.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] tydaikho:
I get the problems when i excuted "make adb" command.

host Executable: adb (out/host/linux-x86/obj/EXECUTABLES/adb_intermediates/adb)

/usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.4.5/../../../libncurses.so when searching for -lncurses

/usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.4.5/../../../libncurses.a when searching for -lncurses

/usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible //usr/lib/libncurses.so when searching for -lncurses

/usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible //usr/lib/libncurses.a when searching for -lncurses

/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lncurses

collect2: ld returned 1 exit status

make: *** [out/host/linux-x86/obj/EXECUTABLES/adb_intermediates/adb] Error 1

hoangnm@StudioXPS:~/myandroid$

How can i do to fix this? Which libs i have to get?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] man_77:
man i don't have experience with all this

but

i have a cab file and i installed it

but whet i tap run

it shows the black screen with linux

and it stops

then i downloaded a z image file

the same thing happened but it didn't stop

ir kept writing

waiting for sd card

what should i do?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] thoughtlesskyle:
that cab file method is really old (like pre cupcake days)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] man_77:
so what should i do man?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] albertorodast2007:
If you wanna keep winmo use this guide:

http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/androidhtc/wiki/HowToInstallWithAtoolsHaret

And if u hate winmo (just like me!) then use this other one:

http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/androidhtc/wiki/HowToInstallWithAtoolsNand
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] aiboforcen:
hi guys,is this working now 100% i mean functions, u can use it daily whitout problems?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] albertorodast2007:
uhmmm... kinda! Depends greatly on what method of installation, the build (androidinstall.tar) and kernel (kaisimg or zimage) used... the stablest on my opinion is a NAND install with sys on nand and data on ext2 but still it's just a question of time to have data corruption BUT dont panic! The only thing u gotta do is keep a fresh /data backup... and if u ask how? well... just as u installed android... at boot press the D-pad (center silver button) when the system prompts u to do so... and then select backup data. It will create a file named databackup.img in ur andboot folder, try to use an SD card reader to make a copy of this file to your PC in case the file is deleted or corrupted on the SD. If data corruption occurs (you'll notice it because android doesnt starts, keeps rebooting, lockups on a whitescreen or just keep having Force Closes) just use the "D-Pad procedure" again to enter the menu and select restore data....
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] deposterchild:
Cant find rootfs on sd card

What does cant find rootfs on sd card and how do I fix it
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] ottaviane:
sim on kaiser with android

hi,

I installed android on my kaiser. very good.

All works.

Only a SIM doesn't work! but this sim is ok!

Other sim work on my kayser. why?

the message is "SIM not present".

bye
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] aceoyame:
Is your sim normally locked where it needs a pin? If so go unlock it in Windows mobile and then install android. If I remember it has to be unlocked first for it to work, also it could be a slightly damaged sim if its an especially old one.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] ledenjes:
SIM entry still doesn't work?

In other words, Google Android STILL has issues with phones that DO require a sim code to be unlocked? Then I wonder in what way Google Android is going to be superior to Windows Mobile or any other Mobile OS, if they can't even tackle an issue like this. :confused:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] aceoyame:
Its fine if you lock it inside of android, just can't be locked when you start.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] vilord:
Google Android handles locked sim cards just fine.

OUR implementation doesn't, because none of us ever took the time to figure out why it didn't work :)

It was on my list for quite a while... but now unfortunately my sim-card-phone was left in a hotel and never heard from again :(

If you'd like to see it work, and you have some coding experience, I might be able to point you in a direction to get started fixing it
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] daedric:
Well... its always easier to criticize than to fix. In any case, let us wonder...

My 2 YO+ device, is in fact able to run the latest android version, 2.2 Froyo.

It has issues, yes. Indeed... CamCorder does not work, battery still needs one or several fixes, yet it works. Can you say that with the latest Windows Phone version ? Perhaps 7? Lets lower the standard, 6.5. It works ? yes. Bugs? Very few.

Works well ?? no... not by a chance. Slow, memory hog, battery hungry, everything.

Now, the SIM card PIN, although its a security point, missing it its not. If you get your phone stollen, at least in my country, a phone call to the ISP (Vodafone) and a few data confirmation will grant a SIM blocked. You're still missing the phone, but you would even with a PIN.

IMHO, fixing other issues is strictly more importante than the PIN. I'll rather have battery working ok, perhaps filesystem stability, than the mediocre PIN question :)

OH BTW... i've said that my phone runs the latest version of Android, overclocked to 550mhz, GPU WORKING and OVERCLOCKED as well, without issues.

Can you run Manilla3D ? Perhaps the latest version of Sense ? No... you cannot.

Android for HTC Kaiser/Vogue/Polaris is not production ready. Its a hack, but it works. Windows.... is production ready.. but doesn't work... it drags :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] albertorodast2007:
so much hate on these words daedric... :D But ur right, all this hard working deserves appreciation and a reward! All of u turned an idea into reality! Thanks to your knowledge and skills... IM RUNNING ANDRIOD ON MY PHONE! just like many others do... im deeply grateful for this, keep it going! There's alway gonna be people criticizing and complaining bout things not going exactly as they want... but there are a lot more people greatfull of all your time and effort that u've granted to this work selflessly.... Again, Thanks!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Neo2SHYAlien:
I locking into all forum and i can't see anybody to try to port Openmoko OS over Kaiser. Any body have a interesting from openmoko port ???