yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] a.s.j:
This is fully agreed, the point was only simple think. DZO does not have the time to lose for sorting files, perhaps no Devs have the will... As I said, normally I would expect the first post to hold all the new info and files to use for testing, but this thread gets bit messy, cause noone takes the care about that even if it is common on all other forums. Just because they have 'better things to do'...

I am not able to update that post, noone except Admins and author is... that's why offered some help providing tools to make things sorted... I am not trying to overtake someones work at any case. It was just an attempt to make things running smoother and easier to maintain :(
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] tembares:
First page

We can update the first page again, so it won't be necessary for everyone to go through all those pages to find updates.

I spoke to xmoo and he is willing to edit the first page. He only wants to copy/paste the updated page into the first post.

We have to draw a line when it comes to published files. I suggest to have DZO as leading developer. His releases will be mentioned on the first page as stable.

As 'unstable' (could not find the right word yet) the system.img files from other developers will be listed.

I shall also make a list from the (un)stable versions with the (not-) working functions.

Anyone another idea?

@a.s.j and bperren

Let the three of us work on the first page. I have to go to bed now (23:30 in Holland now). Let's PM to set up the first page.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] roadhead:
The system.img in the zip you posted has an MD5 hash different than any other system.img I have

e417046f25f6d8324e588a2db52d4be4 *020309 - DZO - android-k/system.img

The zImage is also unique, even to the one posted earlier today?

4eab5a1a75e44d03765286e3d9a910a0 *020309 - DZO - android-k/zImage
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] aximilation:
Ok, thanks for the input so far, from what I gather so far, we have at least the following who are willing to manage:

tembares

dperren

shadowline? (or more dev??)

Who am I missing?

I agree, a vote would just get confusing and bloat the thread, if it was my call, I would ask the people who are willing to lead (as much as they can, working with the devs on what *they* need) to connect with each other and talk it over outside this thread to figure out who would be best to manage everything, or to sort out if there would be more than one person managing. For the above, tembares and dperren are the only ones that actually volunteered, so that's a start...

That's great to hear, although I'd like to just throw out a thought:

Yes, DZO has done great work and everything, but, IMO it's looking like he's doing all the work solo so far. No offense intended of course to DZO, but the communication does not seem to be happening, as for as *I* know. What I believe is happening is that he gets whatever working and people tinker with whatever they can until DZO releases something else without regard for anything that has or has not been developed (time to read through the formus, etc) Get my point? (see above post also)

True, we have one person working on this project with great talent etc, but how does all the skill and talent of other devs factor into this project overall if things are getting lost in the cracks?

I'm not trying to step on anyone's toes, it just looks to me like just a little communication between DZO and other devs, and/or a potential project manager would take the weight off one person's shoulders and get things done faster.

Look 6 months in the future, will Android be fully functional? If so, will it be because everyone developing contributed to a project, or because several developers worked on things that never were used because DZO released his work bit by bit and did what the others had already worked on?

Perhaps this is not/will not be the case, please no flames, it's just something to think about.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] a.s.j:
That's why I proposed SVN for version control, and whole set of other tools for issue tracking and cooperative (and not competitive) development ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] okibi:
You must have missed my post saying I'd like to manage...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] ghostdogg:
Been following this thread since the start. Been hella confusing to keep up with and I havent had time to help in anyway so I've stayed anonymous. Just finished a huge project at work and finished getting my Ubunutu system ready for developing. I've got time after 5pm eastern US every day to help sort through the days activities.

My developing skills are weak so my best use would either be updating thread and/or fixing small userspace issues like flipped screen, etc.

I'd love to get more involved in the kernel development but would need personal time from someone more knowledgeable to get started. Maybe more of a waste of time than help. Have to get started someday tho so I can be more useful to the INCREDIBLE community. I'd be more than happy to give my contact information (phone number, IM names, etc) so the people involved can stay more in contact. It feels like the major hurdles are gone and some other issues are quickly getting resolved so now seems the perfect time to start putting more effort into user testing and feedback.

Hope I'm not off base or out of line here. Just seemed the time to jump into the mix. Thank you very much to everyone who has put their valuable time into this! Makes the Tilt & Fuze exciting again!! Can't wait to only boot WinMo to play with some sick new cooked rom and forget about it other than that.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] anthonws:
@dzo

Thanks for the latest release. Getting better day by day.

@everyone else

Thank you for all your efforts trying to make Kaiser-Android project a little bit more organized.

If you need a hand, I'm also willing to help.

Best regards,

Anthon.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] shadowline:
Seems like I missed quite a bit in the last few hours... :D

And as always, I am willing to help in any way possible, which usually is helping organize what works, and help inform on how to get it to work.

My belief is to have a central 'live' git or svn that is all the modifications in one, and that way anyone that wants to edit or add to it can get the latest files, and commits. And also have a built "stable" version like was mentioned earlier that could be packaged and ready to go for those willing to test.

And someone really does need to combine a working system.img with proper sms, data, and screen rotation.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] poly_poly-man:
the data/sms/etc. problems are all with the RIL (there is still quite a bit to be done on this front)... build up with all the fixes AND the correct RIL, and we'll be fine.

Then again, dzo has a point - it's nice to smooth out kernel issues before we mess with userspace.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] dzo:
OK, lets make it clear how things are developed at the moment.

I don't release things "bit by bit", everything I do is pushed to the git repo here: (even if it doesn't work completely)

http://git.linuxtogo.org/?p=groups/mobile-linux/kernel.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/htc-vogue

If you look through the commits, you can see that it's not just me who is working on this, anyone can ask for permission to write to the repo and anyone can compile the latest kernel. If anyone has even a half written driver, it should be put in the git repo.

Nobody should be working on something that's "never used", look at the git repo and if it's not there, start working on it.

I agree with bally3 on this, kernel development doesn't need project management.

Obviously this only applies to the kernel, userspace should be managed as a set of patches to the google source. I'm not even building userspace at the moment. The userspace should be the same for all 7x00 phones so that can be coordinated separately.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] aximilation:
Ok, my misunderstanding then, I haven't been watching the git as I do any android stuff from work and don't believe I can do much on my windows machine. I may however set up a virtual machine for that though...

Not being a current developer at the moment, I have been looking at the userspace fixes, not the kernel work, and having next to no clue what that part takes, can't say much about that.

Thanks for the clarification, and my apologies for the mis-understanding.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] a.s.j:
Thank you for your comment DZO. Perhaps a lot of people are just a bit confused (including me) of how this thread looks like. I guess noone was really intending to offend you..

we all just look forward to make things "easier to read" for both devs and users..
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] bsellmon:
Finally decided to take the plunge...

...and it's working well so far. Wish I could be more help, but I don't know anything about Linux...good work, though, you guys are awesome!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] guymanx09:
I just wanted to hop in and say a big THANK YOU to everyone working on this. I paid all this money for a nice piece of hardware only to have it bogged down by WinMo. I was blown away by how quick and responsive the OS is, and by how well it handles graphical tasks that would make WinMo cry like a kid with a skinned knee. Keep up the great work, guys, and thanks again!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] ajclai08:
Did you notice this thread hasn't been updated in a while either?

Testing Notes:

I noticed you have to boot up linux with the pad lights off in order to keep them off in android...so wait a few seconds in haRET before booting. The pad lights dont work in android but is good for testing..same

with the red light which indicates sleep mode..and that something is waking it up time to time. Not sure if anyone has covered that but it's really good know if u want to conserve power.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] SlyDogJeff77:
oh my god WAY better then .8 or whatever the first version was almost a YEAR AGO!

Hey guys! long time XDA-developer member, and big fan of the android thread. First time posting.. actually, thats a lie.. I posted months ago asking if there were any updates. So on a whim, I checked again tonight. OH MY GOD.. i can honestly say ANDROID looks and works GREAT on my at&t tilt!

Ok here in a nutshell.

i just received my new phone in the mail. A refurbed at&t 8925 with the latest radio and i unlocked the cid spl as always. flashed the new pdacorner v17 rom built on windows 6.5 beta. works great. love it. so i dnloaded the latest (or so i think) android build and started it up with the default-kaiser.txt but i'm confused.

i swapped out the last line for the at&t line like the instructions said on the wiki. it works.. mostly. I'm just still not sure if the default.txt i have is the one i should be using because it looks nothing like what the wiki says..

i'm a big noob when it comes to linux. i'm a microsoft sys engineer (MCSE) but when i installed umbuntu on a virtual machine, i felt like a retard! So anyway, what should the default.txt look like for the at&t tilt? I'm in New York in region makes a dif.

also. i dont mind that some of the apps still don't work. I'm getting around now that i know what the buttons are mapped and i know what they DO this time! :)

My biggest concern.. calibrate the screen! it's like, i click where there is a j on the keyboard and i don't get the j! or on the dialer.. it's almost inpossible to click on the top row of numbers.

what else should i do?! honestly.. 200+ posts on this thread is out of control. searching becomes useless.

hope to hear from you guys soon..

and great work! honestly!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] y2it217:
WOW.. call audio is working in my phone.. \:D/

great work guys.. love you.. :D

So, can I use this full time?? Well, anyway I will use it.. hehe..
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] chrisrc1985:
can someone please give me a hand on setting up my network settings,

im using a tilt, not sure what my apn settings should be.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] mikentucson:
my experience running android on my at&t tilt:

running the Android2-1.zip with the modified zImage and default.txt from post 2652. stock radio with AthineOS Naked Rom (winmo 6.5). boot up win, enable data connection, boot android

Phone: working (call and recieve. ringtones working)

Sms: working (send and recieve working. vibrate not working)

Data: working (after running togga)

Email: working

Music: working. plays thru speaker

Weather: working

Maps: working

Screen dim: working (after applying the patch from post 2652. top led light goes to red)

Screen rotate: rotates to and from landscape (just the wrong way, clockwise instead of counterclockwise)

Bluetooth: not tested (probably not working)

Wifi: not tested (probably not working)

only thing i believe that is currently messed up is the screen rotation going the wrong way (rotates back to portrait fine). and i use bluetooth alot so i am also waiting for this to be fixed. would like to thank everyone who is contributing to this project. keep it up guys and i'll be keeping my eye on this thread :)

* maybe someone can make a mortscript that when placed in startup will enable data then launch haret?? can't wait till we can flash linux and get rid of winmo all together
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] poly_poly-man:
hey dzo, can I write to the repo?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] ghostdogg:
I've changed the lines to fix the rotation on dzo's system image according to some information posted awhile back by mburris. At this point I simply want to compile his system image with the fix. I guess thats where my porting knowledge falls short. Is there a how-to somewhere that explains these steps?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] okibi:
As promised, here is an update on the files. I currently have the following packages hosted:

1-23 - working data, calls (via speakerphone), sms, bad orientation, bad splash, bad rotation

1-28 - NON working data, calls (via speakerphone), sms, good orientation, good splash, good rotation

1-31 - working data (for some), calls (via speakerphone), sms, good orientation, good splash, good rotation

2-1 - working data, calls (via internal speaker), sms, bad orientation, bad splash, good rotation, power suspend (needs patched)

EDIT: You can also use the 2-1 set with this system.img to fix the orientation and splash. It may or may not let you use data, works for some, doesn't for others.

I will upload the latest fix tomorrow.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] milas:
Well, you just simplified my life quite a bit. I had just set up this table and was about to start going through testing each version when I refreshed the thread and saw that you'd given all the details.

Anyway, I added a new page to the wiki I am hosting, and I am in the process of updating the outdated pages. Please feel free to make changes (you are required to register just to keep bots from wrecking it)

http://www.androidonhtc.com/latest_builds
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] milas:
New first post

Also, here is a redesigned first post. Feel free to make adjustments, etc. and then we can PM it to xmoo:

--------------

Google Android on the HTC Kaiser

This thread is for the development of Android on the HTC Kaiser (hence why it is in the DEVELOPMENT forum).

PLEASE DO NOT ASK NON-DEVELOPMENT RELATED QUESTIONS IN THIS THREAD

Basic Links

Port Status (what works, what doesn't work, etc.)

Installing Android

Latest Android Builds/Other Important Files

Frequently Asked Questions (like how to make data work!)

Very Important Sites

dzo's page

dcordes' page

okibi's repository

aximilation's repository

XDA-Developers Android on Kaiser wiki page

Android on HTC Wiki
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] KeizerBAAS:
This is nice. Lots of people just look at the first thread to see if anything happens... Good job!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] nickgallis:
I try to understand how connet to internet ... it's possible use usb cable to share connection? or I must make connection via apn and how set up it?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] stringbean82:
Hi Nick,

If you did just a little more you should have found the post above in the same page which tells this

There you have all the links together and you will find there that the only way for internet is through Togga (APN) and by USB as that is not functioning yet.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] nickgallis:
I see the manul but I don't understad how punt on user and pass on the config I see tabel of APN I just set the user and pass or I put the APN MCC MNC and dns? and how?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] stringbean82:
Its a bit depending on your operator. but for sure you will need the MNC and MCC settings.

MCC (Mobile Country Code)

MNC (Mobile Network Code)

Most of these settings can be found with google as they are the same for all phones, and maybe there is somebody in this thread that has your operator.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] nickgallis:
where place it ?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] KeizerBAAS:
I thought most of us are part of the generation that doesn't read the manual, just press all the button and see what happens, but here you go:

tick on Menu (button or directly to icon) for Settings -> Wireless controls -> Mobile Networks - > Acces point names -> Press menu to delete the current and press menu to add your own italian APN, in which you can fill in the network codes...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] roadhead:
that system.img you singled out has this MD5 hash

f0c2c21f27948437c7d7de4e4f1598f7

Which is different than any other system.img I've collected, where did you get it ?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] willou:
no provider calling

Hello, i can't connect to my provider for send/received call with all version 1.31, 1.23 and 1.2. My provider is orange France and i was in file default.txt this parameter: ppp.username=orange ppp.password=orange. Have you any solution ?

Thanks.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] shadowline:
Did you copy and paste that? I swear I heard the same thing a few pages back :D

Anyway, for an unknown reason I am now unable to get data working on any system.img, even though nothing has changed. I think AT&T broke something in my area... lol
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] wim26:
my 100st post! I still can't get a connection (no internet no calls). Hope the 101st post I can tell you I can connect. I now use these settings: Anyone an idear, because i think this should have worked with these settings. Btw does the call function have to work immediately after boot or do you also first need to connect in APN settings? The older versions from android ( half year ago) you didnt need to connect. It just worked at once. thanks for all the help!!!

#alloctest 0x2000

set RAMSIZE 0x07000000

set RAMADDR 0x10000000

set FBDURINGBOOT 0

set MTYPE 1553

set KERNEL zImage

set initrd "initrd.gz"

#set initrd "\Storage Card\initrd.gz"

#set initrd "\Storage Card\initrd-console.gz"

#set initrd "\Storage Card\android.bin"

#

# The following kernel parameters are useful

# ppp.username - The username used to connect to the network when dialing #777

# ppp.password - The password used to connect to the network when dialing #777

# msm_sdcc.msmsdcc_fmax - The maximum frequency (in Hz) used by the SD controller

# pm.sleep_mode - The mode used when the phone is off

# 0=Power Collapse Suspend, 1=Power Collapse, 2=Apps Sleep,

# 3=Slow Clock and Wait for Interrupt 4=Wait for Interrupt

# Default is 3, use 0 for best power savings

# board-htcvogue.panel_type - Panel type used to power the panel off and on

# 0=Don't power off the panel (Default)

# 1=Hitachi 2=Topoly 3=Samsung

#

set cmdline "ppp.username=vodafone ppp.password=vodafone pm.sleep_mode=1 board-htcvogue.panel_type=0 msm_sdcc.msmsdcc_fmax=20000000 no_console_suspend"

# fbcon=rotate:1

# console=ttyMSM0"

boot

APN settings:

Name: vodafone

APN: web.vodafone.nl

Username: vodafone

Password: vodafone

MCC: 204

MNC: 04

Radio: 1.71.09.01 changing radio now to 1.65.24.36
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] fdrzrich:
I've got a feeling that the recommended radio is 1.65.24.36. Would be worth trying first? The other settings seem ok (similar to my working ones). It also depends on which files you are using I believe.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] roadhead:
I know this sounds nuts, but replace your data.img with a "clean" one from the 1-23SMS zip file, then boot android again (with a known working system.img of course) - that often gets Data working again for me :/
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] okibi:
I made the image myself. I'm also working on the kernel.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] KeizerBAAS:
@Wim & Willou: make sure you have the pin code removed from sim (in Winmo) and that you can make calls... without it, no data is going to get transfered...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Dark-Side:
Same provider. Calls and SMS work. What is the version of your radio? I use 1.71.09.01, but work also fine with 1.65.24.36

My experience (look for this thread a long time ago!) orange or internet or what you want in default.txt has no effect on the phone, perhaps for internet...

Sorry for my poor english :o
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] biscuits1978:
okibi - I can confirm with T-Mobile USA and my Tilt that the system.img file you said that has some data connection success along with the 2-1 package does not allow data to work.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] chrisrc1985:
no where on that post or in those links did I see a 'How To' on connecting using ones data plan.

If this has not been done, can someone please make one for us who are having constant issues setting up APN settings.

Thanks!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] wim26:
Thanks keizerbaas! The problem was indeed the pincode! 101st post and it's working! Now I can finally test. Again thanks to all who helped!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] fdrzrich:
I can report the same thing also - screen rotates correctly with the system.img file you linked, but togga just hangs on 'waiting' - you don't even get to try and enable data.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] biscuits1978:
Well, on mine when you try to connect in Togga it just says it's initializing the modem and that's it. It doesn't even show its attempting to connect.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Zack84a:
APN Settings for Phones

I can't confirm or deny these will work. But it might be a start for some of yall having trouble finding your apn information (or unwilling to look).

http://modmygphone.com/wiki/index.php/Carrier_APN_Settings

Took 5 seconds for me to search on google for this huge list. Please, please try to search and solve problems. When you have a solution post it! Not everything can be spoonfed especially when this thread is aimed toward development.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] a.s.j:
yes, but even that one is not complete, perhaps we can put as much complete list as possible to the Wiki or any other place to let people find it easy and fast. Not everybody is familliar with the "try google first..." statement :D

EDIT: How about this one? http://www.flexispy.com/Mobile%20APN%20Setting%20to%20use%20GPRS.htm