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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] leefur5:
Thanks, but...

Thanks - I already check that thread, and unfortunantly the ROM I have installed requires that radio.

But what about this - what were to happen if I were to flash just the radio? I suppose I wouldn't be able to place calls with WM anymore, but would that be enough for android to work (if it is in fact the radio that's the proplem)?

I have some apps that I use in WM, that I guess I don't need the radio for, but I do need the mic - unless you know of a guitar/ukelele tuner for android?

And on another note, your idea might be the way to go. Anyone know of the most stable, basic, barebones WM rom, that would take very little time to load?

Rhys - when you say pretty well, what does that mean exactly? I was finally able to get EVERYTHING except the camera working in android, and I don't want to mess that up. Then again, would the WM rom have anything to do with what works or doesn't after you load android?

OK - I just checked out the latest build of that Witschey's minimal 6.5 rom you mentioned and looks like I might give that a shot - was the updated radio included? (or is the answer to that in the Witschey thread?)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] enatefox:
leefur5, feel free to have fun with flashing (at your own risk) but just to share.. my HardSPL completely vanished from my phone, any attempt to flash it just fails halfway through. I have to flash the stock ROM then a new one if I want and things seem to deteriorate between flashes. There's a known issue with WinMo ROMs where you get a white screen of death. I had that when trying to boot Pulse Android and when I reflashed to the stock ROM it worked right away.

tl;dr: ROMs and radios make a huge difference regarding your experience. The radio should be self explanatory but the ROM isn't Windows, Windows is a part of the ROM so it is "there" when you're running Android.

Also, G-String is a free app to tune violins/guitars/etc.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] TEAM17:
Ok, good performances under JACManxROM1.43--Kaiser_wifi_08-29-09.img

Data and wifi are OK.

I opened a data session before booting under Android, as recommended.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] leefur5:
Thanks for the heads up on G-String - with a name like that, it's got to be a winner (or at least worth a look).

So you suggest using a stock ROM? Can you be more specific? I've been out of the loop for a while - do you mean the stock HTC Keiser ROM or the stock Tilt ROM?

I've been using the ion build for a while (sans voice), and I don't really plan on using WM at all, but if a non-stock ROM might make android unstable, then maybe I should look into that too. Which one specifically are you referring to or would recommend?

And btw, thanks to all for the replies - this is exactly the kind of help/info/suggestions I was looking for.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] pmos69:
You should try the later xROMs, namely 1.5r4c, wich is at the vogue hero site.

No need to open a data session in WM from my experience.

Wifi works automatically in that build, like in most cupcake builds, if you are using the latest basefiles.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] enatefox:
I'm currently using the stock ATT ROM for the reasons I mentioned. I only have Windows in a virtual machine and I think the USB action is a little flaky plus without HardSPL anymore I'm not riskin a brickin. Asking for the right ROM/radio is like asking for the right car-- you test drive and choose but you won't go wrong with the stock one, although it is rather bloated. And if you have a Kaiser don't flash the ATT ROM and vice versa.

JacxROM 1.43 had been my baby for a long time. I noticed that call lag with 1.5r4 was on par with Hero so I might as well just use Hero. Your mileage may vary.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] polyrhythmic:
Please read through this thread as well as the stickies in the forum for answers before posting OT in this thread. Many ROMs and radios have been recommended in this thread. Don't complain about broken features until you have a good radio and ROM to start from. All default.txt settings have already been explained more than once. Info on how to flash a radio, what radios work with what ROMs, and how to fix a bad flash are all readily available in the appropriate threads, with far more useful information than anyone can summarize here. Also, every device works a little differently, so it is up to YOU to find out the most compatible software.

The more you know...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] 2girls1cup:
which hero version are you using enatefox?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] enatefox:
So want it to be the Sprint Hero ROM staring at me but I haven't gotten an answer on using it with GSM. Right now Blurry Hero, latest kernel, latest basefiles
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Rhys'Droid:
By pretty well I mean, there are some quirks here and there, such as sometimes (not all the time and not terribly repeatably...) it takes a while for the home screen to come back when exiting an app, like it got unloaded from memory and has to be reloaded from the SD card which is slow. Bluetooth doesn't work (but I don't use it) and the camera isn't 100% yet. Over all though, like I said, the experience using Android is 100x better than WinMo. The Witschey build I am running boots very quickly... I don't think that it came with a radio...I flashed it separately from the Windows ROM. Like someone said above the choice of ROM and radio somewhat comes down to your personal device and maybe the area you are in. I have not had the issue with HardSPL that enatefox has had, no problems here... I don't think that the Windows ROM really effects anything once Android is booted because Haret kicks Windows out of Ram when it boots Linux...but I could be wrong.. Anyway...yeah...over all Android on the Tilt works great for me, and it will hold me over just fine until February when I can switch over to Sprint or someone else that has a sweet "gen 2" Android phone...

Oh yeah, and I am a big fan of the plain vanilla Ion builds myself... the xRom ones just seem laggy to me...like Enatefox said (to paraphrase), if I didn't mind laggy, I would just run a Hero build...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] 2girls1cup:
blurry hero? is it posted on vogue-hero? Motoblur0.6?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] spazoid:
Please help

Does anyone know where i can find a tutorial on how to do this. I would love to run android on my iphone
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] enatefox:
It got taken down I guess. I'm uploading it at the moment. No, it's Hero but with Blur's easing effects and red instead of green. I like it.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] ajclai08:
could you add blurr to an cupcake based build?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] enatefox:
Anythings possible I guess. I've got the framework that has the animations and red color scheme. Actually 3 of them and I don't know which ones are signed or not. All you (should) need to do is copy /system/framework/framework-res.apk from the Donut Blur image and drop it onto a Cupcake image.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] pmos69:
zen's motoblur is cupcake based
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] garynsa:
Is there a hero build that works with wifi and a speed for day to day use on AT&T Tilt. I have had problems with speed and wifi on these builds. I am currently on Android but just love the hero. Tattoo even better :D

Alternatively is there a way to theme the android build with hero themes and widgets

Thanks
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] enatefox:
ajclai08, I'm guessing you're the one that downloaded the Hero Blurry ROM I uploaded. It should be what you want-- it's what I've been using daily.

garynsa, you're going to get what you're going to get. You want Hero, you will deal with a slower system. You want wifi running on Hero, you can't complain about speed. I turn wifi on, do what I need to do and turn it back off. Many people fail and can not follow directions and will complain about a slow Hero experience. Many people also load up on crapware (Bomberman Dojo I'm looking at you) that run constantly in the background and are unable to be uninstalled normally.

I'm running Blurry Hero and it's fine for me (until that other stuff gets done of course).
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] zakmcintyre:
Devlopment Questions Involving Voice Input

I'm not a dev, whether it be Windows or Linux, but just started using xRom 1.4 and am using the phonePrioretizer app. Which, FYI, is a handy little app for running some renice scripts (or other scripts) and keeping them refreshed automatically. Is there a way we (as in the devs, not me lol) could write something like this for the Voice Dialer problem? It will not work after initializing the Voice Input the first time. Maybe a way to reset it after it is finished (already initialized)? Might be a temporary fix until it is working for real.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] enatefox:
zakmcintyre, you got ADB set up or can use the terminal on the phone? Tell me the process name of the app or just make a script. If phonePrioritizer does a loop to constantly run a script you just add this:

renice -20 `pidof <the process name>`

and if it doesn't and you want to extend the renice script that's been posted you can just add that line into it with the others. Experiment with the number (-20) as that will set its priority relative to other apps where -20 is the utmost priority-- so it may interfere with the phone or SMS processes.

Unless you wanted to restart the service and then I would just recommend Task Killer
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] zakmcintyre:
Thanks for breaking it down like that enatefox, but this voice input problem doesn't open up anything that is able to be killed by Taskiller. What needs to be done ( I am assuming, again not a programmer) is a "reset" of the voice input hardware/software. I do not know what the process name would be for this. Is there a repository of process names somewhere? That would be handy. Again, the voice input does work, but only once when it comes stuck "on" I guess you would say. It will then not accept any new input. Needs then to be reset. Any ideas? DZO may already be way ahead of us on this, or another dev.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] enatefox:
"ps" in the terminal shows you all the processes. You can use grep to filter. Press shift + left softkey on the keyboard (not the faceplate) to get the vertical pipe "|"

ps | grep -i dialer

ps | grep -i voice

and you should find it
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] dzo:
Hi, I didn't know this wasn't working. I'll look at it, it seems that the mic doesn't get enabled after the first time. There's nothing you can do from userspace, it's all in the driver.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] zakmcintyre:
All right, thanks DZO. Thanks enatefox for the lesson today. I think I need to get "Linux for Dummies" ASAP. Definitely no programmer, but what little experience I have is 99 percent Windows and DOS based. Any tips on getting started?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] zakmcintyre:
Mic and audio driver issues (attn DZO)

To further the point that I was making about voice input, it will not work after initial use. Secondly, using Shazam, Voice Dialer, Voice Search also have an effect on the phone. Once you use these, you are unable to speak/hear during a phone. You can't do either and my wife says there is a static type noise for 1-2 seconds and then the call ends itself. This has happened multiple times during my testing.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] dzo:
I've fixed the audio input problem I think. Try the latest kernel on the google code site. I've only tested it with audio recording and only on polaris but it should work on kaiser too. I haven't tested this in a phone call yet so that could still be broken after using audio in.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] zakmcintyre:
It works like a charm! Tried recording, Shazam a couple of times, and voice search with no problem! Also, I made a call to my lovely wife to make sure everything was perfect and it is. That was quick! Now, to be totally greedy, how far are we from improving the camera? I am running xRom 1.5 right now and it doesn't have the standard Camera app, but it has PRO Paint cam. My results have been bad. Everything is pretty good through the viewer, but the pictures come out totally distorted with green lines, as well as others. I am going to download some other camera apps to see how this helps. Thanks so much!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] RuuddieBoy:
Ok, I haven't read all posts in this topic (850 pages is a bit too much for me ;-)), I have just read the latest 2 pages and the opening post. I also read the pages where the opening post linked to. After reading this, I am still not sure about a few things, so I will ask them here.

If I understand well:

- I just have to extract the files from http://kaiser-hero.googlecode.com/files/kaiser-hero-130809-1.zip to my SD card and run HaRET.exe

- Android 1.5 is bootable from any Windows Mobile ROM by running HaRET.exe in Windows Mobile (for example WM 6.5).

- This resets the phone and boots it into Android. It will not change the current WM ROM, so after a reboot, I will just be back in my Windows Mobile as if nothing ever happened. Aka: running Android cannot brick my phone.

Are these points true? My main concern is that running Android will destroy my phone or Windows Mobile installation. I just want to play around with Android a bit, as I consider buying an Android phone.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] zakmcintyre:
Wifi Issues- 9-12 Ion Build and xRom 1.5

I am able to connect to my unsecured wireless router via both of these builds, but am not able to successfully transfer any data. I am currently using the xRom build w/ the latest basefiles from Vogue-Hero. Supposed to be wifi ready out of the box I think. It did create its own calibration file, but to no avail. Deleted these and used the "getrom" script to create my own calibration and romdump files, again to no avail. Ideas?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] enatefox:
zak, make sure you've disabled anything related to data connectivity. I've had that happen but you need to make sure APNs are removed and roaming is disabled. I think this is a recent issue with the basefiles. Specifically, I could get the browser to work after that but was never (still) able to connect to Google's servers to sign in and use the Market/email/etc. No idea why at this point.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] zakmcintyre:
Reply Wifi Troubles

Totally not worth it at this point. I wonder why this would have degraded over time? Oh well I am sure someone will have this fixed soon.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] enatefox:
it's really just a couple of clicks in Settings. Try it out though I couldn't get Market with xROM 1.5. If you could confirm that at least I'd know it's not just me so I can look into it more.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] zakmcintyre:
Confirmed, enatefox. Exact same for me.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] enatefox:
Okay, browser works for you but signing in to your Google account is timing out right? I just got (words can't describe) Sprint Hero working and will try it on that. Same basefiles (newest) and the 10/11 kernel. Let's see..
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] zakmcintyre:
Yes, browser is the only thing that will work. I'd love to have the wifi working on xRom 1.5 I might just stick with that build for a while. Until one of you guys that I trust piques my interest with something on the cutting edge :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] enatefox:
I'll look at it tomorrow. I've got the Sprint Hero ROM running now and I just... can't.. describe my love for it in words.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] j101399j:
1. You need to place all of these files on the root of your SD card:

(Base files)

The latest Android kernel (zImage)

The latest initrd (initrd.gz)

default.txt (edited for your device)

Root filesystem (rootfs.img)

Either a system.img aor a system.sqsh

user.conf files (I believe these are optional)

2. and Harnet.exe

When you run Harnet, your phone will reboot and run Android (it can take up to 30 mins the 1st time it boots). this does not do anyting to your phone and WM stays in tact. If something crashes, just reset your phone and you will be back in w.m.

Since this does not change the opperating system or overwrite anything on the phone (it all works off SD card), it will not brick your phone. It may crash, but a reset will fix that. This is 1000 times safer then flashing a rom
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] plutarcian:
hero blury

hi. i tried your hero blury yesterday and i must say its awesome. except for a few glitches.

1 - the signal strength and edge conection icon is in black. against a black title bar, its almost impossible to see

2 - wifi only works on browser - but i think everyone is having that problem right now

3 - system SLOWS DOWN after a bit. this is the big one. when a call comes in, it takes FAR to long to load up the phone application. by the time it does load up, the other party is already listning to the ' caller not responding ' message. works ok on the next call ( phone is already in RAM ??? )

i want to know if u made any changes/ optimization in the conf files. also is there any way to FORCE the home, phone, keyboard etc in the RAM. because i think if the phone looses its PHONELINESS whts the point.

thnx for ur work. will try the sprint version tonight.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] zakmcintyre:
Wifi Issues- 9-12 Ion Build and xRom 1.5

Okay man, sounds great! I've gone without wifi for this long, I can wait a little while longer. You just had to go and mention that Sprint Hero build didn't you? Tell me how successful the port is right now? I might be willing to give it a shot for a little while tomorrow, as I will have some major free time tomorrow until about 5 PM. If it's slow, though, I just don't think I can handle it. Holla back.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] dzo:
OK, I've made some improvements to the camera. It now does the full resolution and should be much better. I've not tested it much on kaiser so let me know if it still doesn't work.

You will need a new kernel and a new rootfs:

http://vogue-android.googlecode.com/files/zImage-15-10-09

http://vogue-android.googlecode.com/files/rootfs-15-10-09.img
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] pmos69:
I have data and wifi working in xROM1.5r4c
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] pmos69:
Your're on a roll :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] lupick:
Could you provide a link to system.sqsh? I've found Sprint Hero system.ext2 but I don't know how to convert it...

Thank you

L.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] spiritssight:
Internet (data)

Hello Devs,

I was wondering in the past I was able to connect to the data with out starting it in WinMo now I need to do this, its been about 2 months since I was able to just go into Android and have working internet. when I go into Android the modem shows niether button to be able work (they both dark) so I have to go back into win and start in IE then go to Android and it works great then.

Just wanted to wonder any other using the stock rom 6.1 and radio 1.65.xxxxx having same results?

Sincerely,

Christopher

PS: very happy that work is being done on the mic just about to test that now.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] pmos69:
I don't need to do that.

ROM: ANRYL WM6.5 21725_5_FINALL (3.34.00.03 WWE)

RADIO: 1.71.09.01
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] My-life:
I also have the original HTC WM6.1 ROM with radio 1.65* but it doesn't matter if WM is connected before I start Android or not.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] you_were_lucky:
Application unlock and digital certificate

Hello, I have searched this forum and this question has been asked 3 times before. I have not been able to find any answer.....

Last night i followed the instructions and loaded Android 1.5 onto an SD card.

I ran "haret-20090711" and launched Linux.

Unfortunately i was not aware that the filesystem would grow and my SD card filled up. I did not get into the Android phone gui, but left at a linux prompt.

i ran 'yes' to see if i was left at a real linux prompt, but did not know how to CTRL+C to get out of it and had to reset the phone instead.

I copied my android to an empty 4GB SD card to try again....

most of you will be thinking no problems there then... the numpty just needed to get a decent sized SD card.

This Numpty is also given to believe that Android runs from the SD card and does not affect windows mobile etc. running from the phone memory.

-- Not so it seems, somehow the WM6.1 now has a problem with "application unlocking" and refuses to run haret;

"The file 'haret-20090711' cannot be opened. Either it is not signed with a digital certificate, or one of its components cannot be found. If the problem persists, try reinstalling or restoring this file."

other apps also will not run, eg. my TouchPal keyboard.

So how could this have happened ?

can i fix this without reflashing the main Phone ROM ?

Thanks, You_were_lucky
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] enatefox:
http://http://robertpeloschek.blogspot.com/2006/03/howto-application-unlock-your-windows.html
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] JeckyllHavok:
Have you changed something in libcameraservice.so? And if so, is it needed to replace the libcameraservice.so in system.sqsh, too?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] zakmcintyre:
Wifi Issues- 9-12 Ion Build and xRom 1.5r4c

PMOS69:

Well hmm. I am using the latest basefiles from Vogue-Hero as well as the newest rootfs and zImage from DZO (10-15). I actually switched to this version of xRom under your recommendation and i LOVE it, except for the wifi part. What are you doing (if anything) differently than me?

PS: What camera are you using on xRom? Mine came soley w/ ProPaintCam, and i have had terrible results with it lol. Wonder where I can get the stock one?

DZO:

You da man! However, I am getting nothing but green screens on my final pictures in both fxCamera and ProPaintCamera. The previews look great (much improved actually) but the images captured are nothing but green screen. Can't even tell what was supposed to be there!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] you_were_lucky:
Thanks enatefox,

http://robertpeloschek.blogspot.com/2006/03/howto-application-unlock-your-windows.html

...was the working link, i'll follow those steps, thanks very much,

but how do we think the windows mobile registry got corrupted by android ?

it seemed that linux was a good way through booting, so I figure that haret had completed unloading windows, remapping memory etc and loading linux into RAM.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] pmcnano:
@enatefox,

Wazzup man, so hey, I converted the ext2 file to sqsh put it into my card with the newest basefiles, new rootfs, and new kernel. I get to the the point where it says

"Android (36.669145) init:unable to open persistent property directory /data/property errno:2"

Im going to try download the data.img for the sprint hero, anyway what ram size did you use, etc

Thanks

edit: damn, i just dont remember where was the data file! haha too many google pages!