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[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] Limeybastard:
What a load of rubbish.

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Post pics of Accubattery showing those values , cheers.

[MENTION=5756663]michelino159[/MENTION] , you might find this thread interesting.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] michelino159:
I'll follow him in the future. :)

About Samsung batteries it is hard to say anything. You have nothing to monitor, you have no hardware. Everything is evaluated according to cycles / temperature / time, which differs greatly from the actual capacity. As I said on another topic I found an application that reads certain system files like fg_cycle, fg_fullcapnom and if you search with adb they have the same values. It does not work with android 10. It is worth a try.This is my Note9.

Real Battery Stats for Galaxy S6

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.meowsbox.battery_stats_s6
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] fulcrum1971:
4k is also not 4k. Ditch your TV too.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] lennie:
There are multiple 4k standards but only one is widely used by TV manufacturers, TV broadcasters, streaming platforms, etc. Which is 4K UHD.

When you buy one such TV it tells you exactly which you are buying, it says so directly on the box, in the description, on the manufacturer's websites, in the user manual, in the warranty booklet, marketing materials, web and TV ads, etc.

However, there's only one meaning of 4300mAh. Which Samsung did not deliver on. Samsung put 4300mAh on all their marketing materials, web and TV ads, on their website, even ON the very box the phone was shipped in. The consumer only finds out that it is not what is advertised only AFTER the fact of buying the phone. That's pretty much a bait-and-switch, quite a deceptive practice.

So I hope you see the difference here. One tells you the truth of what you're buying, the other lies to you about what you're buying.

It boggles the mind how people can defend a multi-billion dollar company even after being wronged by said company, I wonder if they maybe suffer from a variant of the Stockholm Syndrome?

I felt I was wronged, I felt Samsung used deceptive practices that lessened my ability to make an informed purchase as a consumer. And even after purchase Samsung hid the information under multiple menu layers.

I don't have the resources to sue them but if I did, I would. I've pretty much owned every Samsung Note but with all the stuff they pulled with this release I believe they've lost a loyal customer in me.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] Athrun88:
Didn't read the whole thread because it seems like it's a bunch of nit picking people who are fussing over 200-300mAh difference.

1) Cars are speced at 2.0L, 2.5L, 3.0L, etc... displacement when the actual displacement may be 1,992cc, 2.497cc, 2.997cc, etc... should you go back to your car manufacturer to get the difference back? No, because actual specs are different from marketing specs.

2) Your CPU is advertised at 2.5GHz, 3.0GHz, 3.2GHz, etc... when actual clock speed may vary from that. Microsoft and any other monitoring application may still show the advertised clock speed but the actual clock speed may be different. Maybe you should go back to Intel, AMD, ARM, Qualcomm and get your CPU replaced?

3) Transfer speeds for USB 2.0, USB 3.0, Thunderbolt, etc... can be advertised at whatever they want but the actual transfer speeds can be significantly lower. Perhaps you should go back to the USB group and nag at them about your transfer speeds.

The point to the above, among many examples, is that the battery spec shown on your phone settings is the MINIMUM capacity and not the RATED capacity. This means that, taking into account REAL WORLD variations in the manufacturing process, Samsung is GUARANTEEING and/or PROMISING that the battery included in your Note 10+ is 4170mAh. The RATED capacity of 4300mAh is based on third party testing based on the IEC 61960 standard. I am willing to wager that if there was an equivalent ISO testing, the result would be different in regards to the RATED capacity. If you're so offended or feel wronged, get your battery tested, if it shows LESS THAN 4170mAh, then you have grounds to go to Samsung for a battery replacement.

This is akin to showing the CRANK HP on a car at 250HP but hiding the WHEEL HP on a car at 190HP. This is mainly due to the fact that the WHEEL HP on a car depends on the trim, weight, tires, brakes, transmission, drivetrain, etc... and has too many overall variables. Car manufacturers use a standard testing procedure at the CRANK of the engine because it has the least number of outside variables. Note: Being a car guy, I do enjoy making car analogies.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] Beetle84:
Haha, another car guy here, keep 'em coming ;)
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] Limeybastard:
I'm sure all these points will be raised by the defense team when a smaller minded few, this side of the pond get on the class action lawsuit band wagon.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] winol:
The car analogy is a very good one, but in fact ALL kinds of analogies can be used for the same purpose, tv resolutions, Watt output in audio, electrical current at home, btu in AC, contents in packages, internet speeds, total number of working pixels in screens, etc, at this point, people ranting about being deceived by these things looks ad if they have a very poor understanding of how these thing work, or are children with a very limited experience with consummer goods, in the end, I think this whole affair about batteries has been thoroughly explained, that some are plain stubborn to understand it, that is a whole different thing
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] lennie:
Interesting remark without reading what people's issues are.

And interesting car analogy to boot, but let's go ahead with it. to me it's more like having a 2.0L engine but you bought a newer model to your car which the manufacturer saids comes with a 2.5L engine but in actuality its only a 2.1L engine....you would be pissed wouldn't you? But the car still gets you from point A to point B, so why be upset? Because they lied, I did not get what I paid for.

But enough with analogies, I am all for empirical evidence, real life observations in other words = facts. So if you have no facts to dispute peoples concerns then your analogies literally means nothing, know what I mean?

Here is my evidence: I setup my phones to use as little power as possible when idle. Because I believe that my battery power shouldn't be wasted that i should have it when I need it, as in when I'm actually using my phone. Here are two screenshots one of my note 9 and the other is of my note 10. In the pictures my note 9 can lasts over 10 hours on 1%

My note 10+ on the other hand loses its 1% in minutes just idling and 6 minutes during usage. It falls at 3% in roughly 9 hours of idle.

I average roughly the same SOT on both phones, between 9h to 10h. Which shouldn't be the case because seeing that I average roughly 1 hour of SOT per 10% of battery capacity, then on the note 10+ I should be getting an additional 3 hours worth of SOT according to what Samsung advertise in the ads, printed materials and on their website.

So for me the car manufacturer sold me a 2.5L engine but in reality it's a 2.1L engine pretty much the same as my previous model. And to me it seem as if you're totally fine with that.

So do you have any actual honest evidence to dispute my evidence here or you're just going to come with another car analogy?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] winol:
Lol, kruger Dunning at its Max! This reminds me of flat earthers and space deniers
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] lennie:
FYI the term is Dunning Kruger. And I would ask that you attack the argument with valid evidence, not the presenter.

Do you have battery stats?

Screenshots of battery use during idle of note 9 and 10?

Do you have an answer as to why the 1st % on the note 10 falls so quickly?

Etc.

And the earth is round, but this is about the Samsung Note 10 doesn't matter if the earth is round, flat or square. Stay on topic.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] winol:
Lol, this whole battery ranting is plain silly,useless, move on, get a life, and enjoy it, lol
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] Limeybastard:
Do you still have your note 8?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] lennie:
Then that statement begs the question, then why are you here? Clearly this issue doesn't bother you so why are you here trying to ridicule others who feel they've been wronged?

You claim Dunning Krueger when no one in this thread acted like they are battery experts except you and some others who're trying to claim this is not an issue.

Again, do you have any
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] winol:
It is just a little amusing to see how some people, after receiving all kinds of proper explanations about the topic, still refuse to to believe them,

then the whole scope changes, from a valid observation that seemed to be a false advertising, to a blind denial, at this point the best way to look at all this non sense is to treat it as a joke, because self torturing entities, that, by the way, try to carry others to their self delusional conclusions, should not be taken seriosusly, that's it
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] michelino159:
The batteries can not be manufactured at the scale. The quantity can be + or minus the declared value. You will complain that you may be missing 130mAh instead of the Note9 it shows 4000mAh but never charged more than 3753mAh according to the Aida application, charge_counter. Use the Aida application to see how it loads.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] Xeon:
All this software battery thing is not accurate. AIDA has bugs on Note10+ SD855 as it doesn't report the correct charge counter and doesn't update in realtime the battery discharge rate.

No app will be able to tell you how much juice your battery exactly has as the outcome is affected by external temperature, voltage fluctuation and many other parameters I won't get get into it right now but that's why there's a " LAB ENVIRONMENT".

Take a look at my Accubattery charge and discharge history. The app is very accurate when it comes to SOT, apps sucking power and discharge rate however, when it comes to mAh capacity, things start to get out of control.

[IMG="Accubattery"]https://i.gyazo.com/f6adf5cf5c1f324bc79d52542246752b.jpg[/IMG]

As u can see, it discharged 3600 mAh which is 99% of the battery according to Accubattery ( real capacity is 4300 mAh ) however, when i charged it, it went up 93% which is 3800ish.... This doesn't make sense at all.

After two decades, I stopped worrying about the battery in general as it brings more headache than ever.

Is your battery lasting a full day ? Do you have good standby drainage ? No overheating issues ? that's all what matters. I get an average of 8h SOT with heavy usage and 10h SOT on a normal day. I have the SD855 variant and I don't regret it.

All I care about when I install battery apps is the discharge rate. When the screen on, i make sure it doesn't consume more than 120mAh on average when the device is idle and 25mAh when the screen is off ( 0.6% )

[IMG="Acc2"]https://i.gyazo.com/b60c46114dcd63924412a62bc3315b24.png[/IMG]
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] michelino159:
Accubattery does not properly account for mAh in-cons for Samsung batteries because it does not have full access to charge_counter. It may be a problem with Aida and Note10 + with the snapdragon. The application accesses the files from sys / power_supply / battery. It is possible that exynos can access them much easier and the snapdragon is protected. To me from the first day of charge August 2018 and to date, 252 cycles, showed me 3753 mAh and never 4000mAh. I also searched the system file charge_counter and wrote clearly in it 3753mAh. They are limited to a certain load value, this is very clear.

The snapdragon processor is more optimized than exynos. It manages much better power consumption, very good video chipset, radio modem, but it is unfortunate that it is not officially sold in Europe. You can buy it instead, but no have official Samsung warranty.

My Note9F(exynos)
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] Xeon:
Exactly, I bought the N975F initially but wasn't happy with the battery and device performance overall ( those telling you there's no much difference are living in denial ) so I got the N9750 from Amazon.... I can live with the no warranty thing as long as the device is working fine.

I was getting 6-7h maximum SOT, the main issue was the standby discharge which was uncontrollable even after many firmware updates. The GPU performance of the N975F is way behind the SD variant. I don't need comparaison videos to tell the difference, I had both devices in hand and the SD version clearly wins in every aspect ( battery life, performance, radio strength, GPU etc.. )
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] -Ric-:
I'm getting 3-4% drain overnight (7-9h of sleep time). And constantly more than 7h of screen on time. With the regular Note 10 (not the plus) and it is the Exynos model. 2 Google accounts (1 syncing everything and the other syncing just Gmail), one Outlook email account. Microsoft teams for work, Facebook, Instagram, 2 WhatsApp accounts, Telegram, Twitter and Skype.

Even with all of that, my battery is awesome.

?

The Snapdragon variant might have an edge, however, trying to make it sound like the Exynos one is somehow unusable is ridiculous. Even talks of smoothness... I upgraded from the OnePlus 6 and the Exynos note 10 definitely feels faster and smoother.

Stop obsessing over ridiculous apps that ESTIMATE your battery size and just use the phone lol.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] Limeybastard:
99% of capacity 3600mah, might be in relation to 3750 that Aida shows.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] Xeon:
NO ONE said the Exynos 9825 is unusable however, the SD has a significant edge ... it's all over the internet and benchmark sites :

[youtube]ncKAzzDTu7I?t=219[/youtube]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shrYnaxVenE[/youtube]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0E6fyoaR00[/youtube]

And read the review comparing both Exynos and SD SoC ... Display and camera performance ain't identical. :

https://www.anandtech.com/show/14072/the-samsung-galaxy-s10plus-review/17
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] -Ric-:
I don't care about moronic benchmarks. Like I said, yes, the Snapdragon variant has advantages. Nothing new. However, the Exynos Variant is still a great phone. A LOT of people have deemed it unusable. Even people who only figured out it was the Exynos Variant after days of usage and whom were totally enjoying it prior to that.

Like I said, stop obsessing with numbers and focus on the actual phone experience.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] winol:
That' s absolutely right, some people, just SOME, complain and make tantrums about sd being better than exynos, in real life, the difference is very little, and, nobody forces anyone to get the exynos variant, also, I see no point when sd owners start bragging about the superiority of sd over exynos, plain useless and moronic imo
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] Xeon:
Have you owned BOTH DEVICES ? because that very little difference you're talking about most probably is hardly backed up by any evidence. Feel free to support your argument.

I am not " bragging " about the SD being superior, in fact I sold the Exynos variant losing $200 USD in resale because there was a better alternative which is the SD855. And the whole point of the discussion is provide an alternative variant to those " UNHAPPY " about the mediocre battery performance on Exynos comparing it to the P30 pro.

And I wouldn't call Anandtech moronic :)
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] winol:
As another member said, the majority of exynos owners do not make tantrums about what device is worse than the other, and making silly comparisons with a huawei device is in no way of any utility, and last, the topic is if the battery of both versions was false advertised, which has been discussed in lenght, any comment about h... P. Device is irrelevant, btw, nothing about the note10+ needs to be demonstrated, just simple understanding of batteries is what is needed, just that
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] -Ric-:
Ok.

Sorry but I'm more than happy with this battery and definitely don't find it "mediocre".

And again, regular Note 10, not the Note 10+.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] winol:
This xeon guy is just trolling, he claims that "the p30 pro" is an "alternative" to a"mediocre battery" which clearly is not the case or the real topic here, he came here just to bash the note 10 series, nothing else
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] Xeon:
I don't blame you for having issues understanding proper english son... re-read what I wrote.... I know it's a mentally challenging request but maybe you can make it and understand that I said I'm MORE THAN HAPPY with my note10+ SD and that if people ain't happy with their battery performance, there's an alternative variant which is the SD version.

If you go back to and read all the posts in this thread ( which I'm sure you did not ) some people were bashing the Note 10 and comparing it to the P30 pro. I've never owned a Huawei device and probably won't so spare me your meaningless comments and please enough with your smartass wannabe attitude.

Uhmm.. btw, I wouldn't call a 17 y old member on the forum, troll.... Ok kid ? have a nice life.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] winol:
I read all, and by tour behaviour, you are bashing this device, I am no kid, as I make no tantrums as you do, you grow up
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] Negan:
Hey guys, before this get's carried away which it may, just bring it down a notch and remember this is just supposed to be a battery life thread with a bit of discussion. Let's keep it civil please. No problem if people want to disagree on things and debate things but let's not start getting worked up over things ok.

Thanks
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] winol:
I entirely agree, this thread was initially started to discuss and clarify about the battery capacity of the note10+, regarding the advertised capacity and the typical minimum capacity to be expected
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] lennie:
With all the things Samsung got wrong for me with this release, including the lack of true immersive mode, pretty much get the same screen real-estate as my note 9 in full immersive mode plus this battery issue which broke the camel's back for me.

So the upgrade I paid for was a little more memory and a little better processor....doesn't justify the cost of the phone. I feel duped in a way.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] winol:
In that regard, I understand what you say, in my case, I upgraded from a note 8, so it was a huge improvement for me, thence, I could not be more happy with my note 10+
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] michelino159:
It doesn't even have 4170mAh, it has less. Accubattery report 4023mAh.There is really no one in Korea on this forum who works at Samsung. Let us also explain how it works with Samsung batteries that have less than displayed capacity and why they deteriorate so quickly, after one year you have to change them. :(
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] winol:
Accubattery shows 4236 mAh today, for my device, I remenber getting 4320, 4170,4080, 4420, etc, in past months, I really stopped paying attention to these numbers, I just checked today because I read your post, in the end, accubattery values are just only estimates
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] FreddyFredFred:
When generators were being listed with the starting watts vs how they are listed now with the running watts, there was a class action lawsuit and they now list them properly. I don't see how Samsung is getting away with it.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] Limeybastard:
Still waiting for those pics I asked about months ago
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] winol:
I really dont "have" to post any picture, simply, that is my OWN experience, I only talk about what I have seen, which ultimately, is only related to my device, that's it, like some users that report any kind of problem, they don't have to "prove" they are having issues, or generalize saying ALL note10+ are a failure or just crappy devices, but, well, I will defreeze accubatt and post a screenshot
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] winol:
Screenshot
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] winol:
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[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] michelino159:
Do you usually have a 40-80% partial charge pattern?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] winol:
I somewhat keep the batt at40-80, yes
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] Limeybastard:
No you don't have to post any pictures, however when you staunchly protect the given milliampere of the battery in your previous posts then you should at least for the sake of courtesy post a screen shot.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] willhemmens:
Here's my N976B. Not many charges. I'd say Accubattery at it's best is within 10% accuracy so this is probably going to be pretty inaccurate.

Doesn't seem like much of an upgrade from Note9 but I guess it's something.

I'm never more than a few meters from a charger so I tend to 40 - 80%.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] jjayzx:
I don't think people understand what estimated means.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] winol:
Exactly, accubattery says ESTIMATED in my case 4236mAh, and design as 4300mAh, an estimated value is not an absolute accurate value
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] winol:
So, 4236mAh in my case after more than 4 months of use, in the past some estimates were even higher, 4420 the highest one as I recall, but it was a brand new device, in the end, accubattery just gives an "educated guess" or simply put, an estimate, as the app clearly states it
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] michelino159:
I do not know what to say about AccuBattery but my opinion is that it is approaching the truth. To give you an example with my Note9. AccuBatery tells me that the battery life is 83% ​​and charges about 3200mAh. I connect the phone to the laptop and enter with ADB and see fg_asoc 84% (battery capacity appreciated by the operating system) at almost 300 cycles. I also installed another application, Real battery stats for S6, which no longer works on Android 10 and it shows me as well. So Accubattery estimated a value close to that of the system.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] Limeybastard:
What does Aida show?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] michelino159:
Aida64 remained at 3753mAh but I think there is a mistake there.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] Limeybastard:
Ok. It's always been that figure I remember now.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] michelino159:
And the battery health of Note10+ after Android 10 update and reset.I'm trying to do partial charges for a while to see how things are going. :)
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] michelino159:
The battery starts to drop in capacity pretty quickly. Super Samsung batteries. :)
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] winol:
It might be due to your personal usage habits, I have this device since Sept 11th, and accubattery reports 4236mAh estimated capacity
[Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Questions & Answers] michelino159:
That is but I still say that it is a fast depreciation. I do not completely discharge the battery but a full charge. Do I understand that only by partial charging you extend its life? Then I should charge it twice a day and again may not be good. :)