yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] herg62123:
let me try that and see if it works
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] davidebeatrice:
Something Happens

I ve made a cab instsallation file from manila package...

after installation this is my today...

the htc logo is'nt a background but i think it's a starting image of manila application: if i tap on the screen the device stop (not freezing) as when it's charging...

now the problem is to resize the images cause the qvga images posted some days ago seems to not work...

i'll post my cab but it's too large...

ithink also my cab is not so good..if someone more skilled than me can help us...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] austinsnyc:
there is already a working Manila cab out there but since we dont have the proper video driver the fps is really slow.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] davidebeatrice:
yes, but the cab there is a beta. i ve made mine from diamond rom...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] DracoLX:
If i'm not mistaken the images for the new version of Manila must be in \\Application Data\Manila. I've hard reseted my phone and i'm not in the mood of instaling it again since it doesn't work.

Anyway... come on guys... this is a start. Where are the "special ones"?

Draco
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] herg62123:
hey davidebeatrice drop me a pm with your e-mail and i will sent the resized photos you need.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] davidebeatrice:
thx, but i've resized all images from diamond rom...not working..i think we have to patch some system file, and im not able to do that...

thanks anyway...

someone can help us?:)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] herg62123:
idsk and i are working on that
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] davidebeatrice:
good!!!:) thx!!!

let me know for possible news, please!!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] herg62123:
it will take a couple days since i am in USA and idsk in FRANCE but we are working it out. give us time is all i ask.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] davidebeatrice:
im from ITALY...the magic triangle!!!:D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] ChInEsE ChIcKeN:
any word on the progress of this yet?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] volcomnator999:
lol....they said all they ask for is time....
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] fb401:
You guys didn't happen to see Pawel break this down yet have you?

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=2241412&postcount=33

Not good news...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] herg62123:
i don't care if it is a waste of my time or not. it is my time and this is a challenge for me. i spend my time the way i want to. i chose to see if i and others helping me try and crack manila before manila cracks me.

i have been told my whole life that i would never complete anything.

when someone tells me that it makes me work harder to prove them wrong. this is one of those times. it will be cracked or i will die trying. this is my promise.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Rayan:
That's the spirit herg!!!

Don't let them discourage you!!!

I applaud your efforts!!!

Cheers!

RayanMX
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] slovoflud:
I'm with ya bro! :)

watching the thread closely
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Isaygarcia:
could i get this version? (the cab u made)

for test propuses?

thanx.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] fb401:
I see the fire in you herg.

*Cues "Eye Of The Tiger" theme music*

Go for the gold my friend.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] internetadam4657:
maybe this is just what we need to kickstart the drivers ;)

who knows? maybe there is a way to patch the diamond drivers to work on our devices then touchflo 3d will just fall right into place once we have qvga images that work properly.

(also, in regards to the diamond if i can go offtopic for one second) does anybody else think that the diamond is not THAT great of a design. i think i could scratch that thing just by looking at it, its that glossy. IMO i would have preferred a design style similar to the kaiser, but thats just me :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Isaygarcia:
Any news??...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] aonanodad:
Given:

The Diamond has the same MSM7201 chipset as the Tilt, and includes drivers that use the 3D acceleration features of the chipset.

There is also a large, active community of developers who "cook" roms, so identifying the drivers and dll's that perform 3D acceleration is straightforward.

There is an open source Linux implementation of the MSM7201 3D drivers for Android.(http://git.android.com/?p=linux-msm.git;a=tree;f=arch/arm/mach-msm)

Finally, there are lots of people who are passionate about seeing the drivers available.

It just seems to be a matter of a short time before true 3D video drivers are available for the Kaiser and others, based on re-engineering the Diamond drivers.

Who here is working on this?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] herg62123:
me and idsk are working on touchflo 3d.

while working on this i found a lot of new stuff like qtv.dll and qtv_mpeg4.dll. they help out a lot on my tilt. now if them improved 3d acceleration i have no way to test.

also by intalling the updated touchflo from diamond my opinnion - my tilt doesn' freeze up nor loose my touch screen response for 2 to 5 secs.

i am thinking on fooling with the diamond dialer but first is touchflo 3d.

anyone know a good way to open a dll file to modify pm me with that info please.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] herg62123:
i am currently missing some dll files.

they are:

efsadu.dll

msjava.dll

ws2.dll

I already have:

aygshell.dll

ossvcs.dll

bthutil.dll

htcapi.dll

ril.dll

cemapi.dll

pimstore.dll

cellcore.dll

phone.dll

libgles_cm.dll

wce_rex.dll

mmtimer.dll

clkregim.dll

wce_pmem.dll

wce_clk.dll

remote_apis_clnt.dll

i can use some help to piece this puzzle together. if you have these or now where i can get them let me know on here or by pm. thanks in advance
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] ryncppr:
Your using ResHack I am assuming right? It examines all DLL files nicely, though I do not have an idea what to do after opening up the file
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] herg62123:
PE Explorer
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] herg62123:
i am currently missing some dll files.

they are:

efsadu.dll

msjava.dll

ws2.dll

all i need to find out now is what file to put pics in as well as these missing files.

then i will test to see if touchflo 3d and today screen working as needed.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] takeda240:
on the drivers

*slightl off topic but everyone keeps talking about porting drivers from

all these deviceds that actually work the way they are advertised but it seems everyones just waiting for someone else to make it happen .. if i new a lick of programming i would bust my balls for this cus i feel like i got cheated out of 600$ but on topic i think this is a good idea and very possible much more so than the drivers lol (its too bad we dont have linux running well yet cus the people at ipodlinux did amazing **** with older ipods)(video on a black and white device??? and were complaining anout vga and qvga)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] herg62123:
i want touchflo 3d so bad i am testing different theorys out. if i could find these one file: ws2.dll

and figure on where the hell i need to put the images i think i have figured it out but until then i am at a stand still.

FIRST UPDATE WITH A CAB FILE:

this is a first test of touchflo3d.cab.....bewarned it is still vga

idsk finished it up and here it is

it should be removable from device. meaning no more hard resets needed.

FOUND HERE

I TAKE NO RESPONSIBILITIES IF THIS DAMAGES YOUR DEVICE. SO BEWARNED.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] ericmcintire:
Here you go man, hope this helps... go get em.

http://clutch-productions.com/msjava.dll

http://clutch-productions.com/efsadu.dll

http://clutch-productions.com/WS2_32.DLL
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] nerdo:
herg62123!

Did you or idsk try this yet? Devices? Initial results?

Anybody else tried this on VGA so far?

Keep up the good work guys :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] aonanodad:
Thanks, herg.

Who is working on reengineering the Diamond drivers?

The reason I ask is that I might be willing to volunteer some time to work on this. I don't want to duplicate someone else's efforts, though.

I am a Windows Video Driver developer, and have been doing reengineering projects for a loooong time. (I helped write the first Phoenix BIOS by reengineering the original IBM PC.)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] davidebeatrice:
i cant find where the cab installs the images...someone can help? thx!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] fb401:
Could you reengineer a WDM driver for the Intel 915GM/GMS, 910GML Express Chipset Family?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] aonanodad:
I'm sure I could, but I'm looking for a hobby, not a job. :)

For a commercial application, you might have worry about copyright laws. Sometimes you would have a group of engineers documenting the system you are reengineering, and a "clean room" group of developers developing the new drivers based on that documentation.

I'm no copyright expert, but even what we do here has copyright implications. We are working here under the assumption that using firmware releases for new versions of the hardware is fair use for older versions of the hardware. I feel comfortable with that because it is to HTC's advantage to have developers here support their customers at no cost to HTC.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] ericmcintire:
honestly man if you could get our drivers working properly you'd have instant superhero status.. please let me know if I can help
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] aonanodad:
Thanks for the encouragement.

I've been thinking about digging into this, but people around here aren't that friendly. Whenever I've tried to ask questions, I've gotten condescending answers. I haven't even been able to figure out who here, if anyone, is working on porting the drivers.

I have started reading the Android drivers and documenting the Qualcomm/ATI IMAGEON hardware in the MSM7201a chip. I have been able to do enough tests, so far, to know that - contrary to some rumors from HTC - the hardware definitely exists in my 7201a-based Tilt.

The trick will be to port the DirectDraw and DirectX/Direct3D drivers and dll's to QVGA. I'm not even sure what interfaces TouchFLO 3D uses... and it doesn't look like anyone around here is willing to provide any information to a newbie.

So, while I'm sure I can do the work... I'm not sure it is worth the hassle. Did I mention that people around here don't seem to be all that friendly?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] nerdo:
Hi aonanodad :)

I have no doubt that a person with your knowledge and experience will be of HUGE help to this project. When I read your your 1st post it gave me more hope that we will see a QVGA TouchFlo 3D version soon :)

Here is the deal, I followed this thread with great interest and it seems that the ONLY person on this thread who is working on the issue is herg62123, and he mentioned that he is getting help from another guy in France, idsk.

So kindly aonanodad don't give up yet and try to PM aonanodad and definitely you will get a response.

BTW! if you call yourself a newbie, I really don't what to call myself :o

Keep it going :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Jckf:
You'd be my hero for life if you managed to harvest my Kaiser's powers. I don't know if its of any help, but you have my encouragement.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] rakdoll:
I PM:d you with some names. :) Hope that helps! dunno if those guys are up to anything anymore, but its worth the try.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] ericmcintire:
haha yeah some of the members here are (understandably) snappy when it comes to helping people out... but you have to understand that 90-95% of people that come on here asking questions are things like "what is a ROM" or "is my radio broken? I can't hear howard stern".. so it's very difficult for them to filter out the people that may actually be able to be of service. But trust me, if you can crack our drivers... you'll be instantly elite.. anyone that can help you with this project has most likely already read this post and will be contacting you soon with information. I'm in the hollywood CA area if you're close I can offer help.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] aonanodad:
I'm in Boca Raton, FL.

There are approaches, but how quickly this thing can get up and running might depend on what interfaces TouchFLO 3D uses. For example, it might be easier to replace the Direct3D driver with a new driver that implements the Drect3D interface on top of the OpenGL driver from Android. Porting Android's OpenGL to Windows Mobile is helped by the fact that the Android code is open source.

But I would want to decompile the Diamond DirectDraw and Direct3D drivers first, and try to document them. It is possible that the same programmer who wrote the INFINEON Android driver for ATI also wrote the Direct3D driver, so there could be similarities. Often the lowest level code that configures the hardware registers is common, and could give a hint about what needs to be changed to configure the screen size for the Diamond Direct3D drivers.

Most likely Qualcomm did not write the INFINEON drivers - they paid ATI to provide the drivers to them. That is why HTC cannot easily provide the drivers for older hardware - ATI is more interested in selling hardware than in selling drivers. ATI has little interest in making the changes, however minor, and having to test and maintain those drivers for hardware they have already sold. And HTC and Qualcomm don't really understand the concept of providing new software for old phones. A phone is something that people buy, subsidized by a service contract, that they use for two years until the contract runs out. Then they sell the old phone on eBay and get a new subsidized phone.

Apple understands that it ain't the hardware that will make them rich - it is the software. So, until these disposable handset makers figure out they are building an application platform instead of a phone, Apple is going to eat their lunch.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] ericmcintire:
hmmm sounds like you know about 100x more about the topic than I do.. lol.. but if you want to rip apart the diamond rom it is available here : http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=394985

it has been proven that using some of these drivers signifigantly increases the performance on our phone but not to the full potential by any means... hopefully one of the guys that have been working on this for a while will get a hold of you soon.. let me know if you think I can help somehow.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] herg62123:
pm me i could use your knowledge and help. thanks in advance.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] rajmagi:
lol,... indeed I chose iPod nano inspite of no FM radio on it....

Hmm I'm an engineer but not an IT engineer, but I do feel that you are able to do this with right team. Hope for your success finding and collaborating with them. I'm noob in XDA, but you may find that the driver issue aren't only in kaiser sub forum, but in others too.

see this if you want to:

polaris:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=2218771

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=2211984

good luck bro
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] cmonex:
feel free to visit IRC at irc.freenode.org #xda-devs channel and you can talk to several people there:

Olipro & me, no2chem, Chainfire, NuShrike etc... pof is mostly busy :/
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] herg62123:
i think i have figured out our qvga problem. but not the slow frames per second. will post qvga cab, but beware it is still slow like vga cab posted earlier.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] ericmcintire:
cool man, one step at a time.. post it up!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] herg62123:
rapidshare no likey me. will try megaupload
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] davidebeatrice:
news?:) :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] herg62123:
currently at work. will upload tonight. sorry for delay.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] davidebeatrice:
no problem!!!:)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] jaygriggs:
:-)

can't wait

bump bump
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] mbarvian:
me neither, let's go

bump
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] herg62123:
Back to drawing board.

No images nor qvga.

still working

sorry

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=9B2TG8RZ

still no change as you can see
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] davidebeatrice:
Hi herg...

on my tytnII this new release seems to be faster than the older one...but ive changed rom, now im runnig diamond v5.

by the way, im trying to work on qvga images. ddl files now support this format? in the case where i can put the images? thx!!!

Good work!!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] davidebeatrice:
herg!!!

Very good work!!!

im now testing and:

* on my tytn II, as you can see in screenshot all tabs are working and much of these run correctly and not so slow given that the prog is in vga mode.

* touching the screen left to right or right to left tabs changes...

* thinking that images in the cab were in vga mode ive copied all images in qvga in all directories, but nothing changed.

* ive been installed diamond album wich works perfectly with image tab: setting an album as default, the tab show correct images!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

resizing the images in qvga mode and setting all dll to work in this mode i think that the program works well!

good work!!!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] xmoo:
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] herg62123:
well i am glad that i am making progress. i could use some help on changing dll settings from vga to qvga. anyone knows how to help please pm me

pics should already in cab and installed in windows dir.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] yannick69:
I have extract the cab and look in dll and exe but I can't found informations about resolution... (i'm newb in dll tweak)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] davidebeatrice:
sorry but how did you look in dll files?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] yannick69:
I found a soft called ResHacker don't know if i can join it...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] davidebeatrice:
reshacker don't allow to modify dll...as i know...i think it's necessary to decompile...but i 'm not able...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] yannick69:
sorry but i'm not able to modifiy ASM...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] davidebeatrice:
Herg,

how are you working on dlls?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] davidebeatrice:
now im trying to work on dlls with a hex editor...crox your fingers....
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] rubinho93:
So it doesn't work when you change the VGA files to half its size with MSCEinf and then build a cab of it?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] meanvulcan:
Croxing fingers ;)... can't wait for this gang to release something cool.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] ericmcintire:
Hey man, this program might help too, it's free for 30 days..

http://www.heaventools.com/
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] herg62123:
i am at work will not be home till 8pm central time. i will get this working some how. if i do eveyone must donate to my rent-a-hooker for a day foundation. lol
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] herg62123:
hmmmmmm....very interesting
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] met3ora:
I'll donate to you if you get this working :).
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] cbass:
What's interesting?

Did you get it working?

If so, I will tell my girlfriend to call me by your name and tell you about what she was doing!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] ladytoast:
I'd like to hear that! herg62123 is quite a mouthful :p
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] herg62123:
asi am going through this file......i am finding out the ppc apps, linux apps, and oracle apps in manila

Still VGA but updated more files to hopefully work.

REMOVED DUE TO INSTALL PROBS

Hope this is better than last version
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] yannick69:
hello,

I found that in an other thread... It's dll for qvga manila (for the beta cab)...

I have test to install new cab and change the dll but it didn't seems to work...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] herg62123:
i think we have been doing this all wrong. i have a theory i am not saying anything else till i try it out first.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] ericmcintire:
hey man, let me know if you want some assistance
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] herg62123:
i ould always use help. by playing with this folder of manila goodies......it has come to my conclusion that this new ui is an android ui.

i have been reading about android and android can be used for an ui only app the sits on top of another operating system.....this is what we have here

i am now reading more about android and how to get manila working
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] slovoflud:
welcome to Android enthusiasts then! :)))
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] mbarvian:
where did you get the diamond album from?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] davidebeatrice:
here :):)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] opgadgets:
thanks, I was looking for that one too :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] herg62123:
ok i need some help. where android is a hybrid windows/linux. i understand half of this app, it still has some linux programs i don't understand. if anyone knows linux, specially android code, please help.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] xmoo:
Linux/Andoird questions..... -> http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=396782
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] herg62123:
ok back to drawing board touchflo 3d is not android based
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] cbass:
You see the zip asas123 put up a few minutes ago?

Trying to decipher what it means.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] herg62123:
based on new info (thanks eric for pointing to the new info) a new cab will be posted with an actual working qvga cab soon.

and htc said we couldn't port the touchflo 3d to other devices and make it qvga.

another lie from htc AGAIN.......(EVIL LAUGH) MAWHHHHHHH MAWHHHHHH MAWHHHHHHHH
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] slovoflud:
is that for real? where did you get the info? and who is Eric? :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] herg62123:
i could tell you but i would have to kill you. lol

i am for real. i will post pics soon with the new files and QVGA size screen.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] slovoflud:
is "soon" today?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] ericmcintire:
he's hoping to have a .cab by saturday... he's got a plan.