yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Touch GSM ROM Development] Noonski:
I don't have the power to do that.... yet...

But with some insense and positive thinking who knows what is possible.

I think it would be better to have a link to the post itself in the first thread.

After the first upload i forced myself to fix the Wifi startup anf SetVolume issues. So two extra nightlies.

So a good idea chihliouma
[Touch GSM ROM Development] Ameet:
downloaded the beta.. will test and report the findings tonight :)
[Touch GSM ROM Development] chihliouma:
Why don't you just open a new thread directly for people to download of this beta version ?
[Touch GSM ROM Development] Noonski:
Executive Decisions on this Project are not made by me ;)

Also don't want to create confusion as the way the rom looks now is not the way it is going to look when it's finished.

But yes maybe a Beta thread is a good idea.

And maybe winning 25 million in the lottery tonight is a better idea. (always hopefull)
[Touch GSM ROM Development] jacobstim78:
Beta test

Have flashed the beta and the only thing that is not working is the diamond keypad in dutch as soon as you select this language the keypad doesn't show up with almost no grafics. The rom is fast but sometimes hang's a bit. I think totalcommander and netwerkwizard whot be a nice adding. 1 question do how mutch is the pagepool? Like the graphics. Thank u

Sorry for the englisch
[Touch GSM ROM Development] Noonski:
Gheheh Good thing you tested the dutch keyboard as that's the only extra language keyboard i have added.

I will recheck this with Gullum on his Keyboard thread (quite long) but i can reproduce this. (but i don't think this should be a biggie)

Total Commander is allready in the Rom for the moment Network wizard is at thwe moment only as SD support with seperate install.

If enough people can understand that having everything in the rom reduces the left over Storage space, it might be that Bram changes his mind about Network Wizard in Rom.

Anorther thing is the rom should not become to slow.

The hanging part is interesting.

Can you elaborate on this one (personally i think i should switch back to uncompresses and hacked Total Commander, but i'm wondereing when you get the hanging part?)

TNX

Pagepool is at Default ELF 8 MB don't know what that means for Default Elfin (20? Ameet?)

I have tested 4MB PP on ELF but that gives a noticeable decrease in speed on this Packed ROM.
[Touch GSM ROM Development] jacobstim78:
thanks noonski i haven't found total commander yet. The speed problem is most of the time when you are in settings and then pres system tab i had now 2 times of compleet hang had to softreset. the other times it just take a wile but not al the time. i notist when it happens i also have a program memory los only 12 to 13mb left only sktools installed. I have the normal touch by the way. Going to try 6mb pagepool then.

Edit: I have changed the pagepool to 6mb an it run's great no noticeable speed drop(mem 25.8mb).

After the reflash i have total commander and the network wizard poped up.

That didn't happen before.

For now i had no mem. drops and no hanging.

The dutch keypad stil give's problems for me it's a rather big problem because i always use that.

I also changed the top and botom bar to more black(basehue 160) in my opinion it matches the theme more(just mine).
[Touch GSM ROM Development] Noonski:
Cool these are usefull hints.

Also do you use a custom UC ?

I'll recheck the Package and maybe i'll go back to completly uncompressed files.
[Touch GSM ROM Development] jacobstim78:
No no custom UC. Dank u
[Touch GSM ROM Development] Noonski:
I'll test a few reflashes without running my Custom UC then.

I can't think of a reason TatolCMD link did not get created.
[Touch GSM ROM Development] ayyu3m:
nice baybeeee

All systems up and going. This baby is working fine so far so good. Been using for the past 5hrs. Total Commander is working fine for me. i can see the link.

btw forgive me if i m being a screenshot ass. but i do like em' snaps. so here are some snaps. pls advice me for removal if there are any rights issues. hehe.

So ofcourse default paegpool and yet so much memory after several programs been run. keke

ISSUES:

*After flashing and initial setup of time zone and time settings and after the device reboots on UC, the timezone and settings revert back to rom initial timezone and time+date

*After switching to landscape mode and after going to settings, there was a hang and had to do a soft reset.
[Touch GSM ROM Development] Noonski:
No rights issues. It's just for my next project. Not the Surface Project.

Timezones shouldn't be a problem to fix (crossing my fingers here).

The freeze however is a hard one to figger out.

The programs lay out will make sense once i reveal this nice new thingy.

It will make you forget about the enlarged start menu or the cube.

(Looking for a job in marketing)
[Touch GSM ROM Development] jacobstim78:
Everything is running fine so far (keypad:mad:)

i came up with something else that every time you change your wallpaper with S2V the large startmenu is back to normal and you have to uncheck and recheck the enable box its miner i now but i'm giving you what i find.

Englisch:(
[Touch GSM ROM Development] Noonski:
Project on Hold.

Have to think about what do do with it.

Want to know what the rest of the Surface Crew thinks about it.

Personally i think i should stand By Bram's decision and not finish this ROM.

I joined because i wanted to at least take some wind out of his sails.

I knew he really wanted to make something different even tough he did not have the spare time he needed.

I want to keep this thread alive and keep the crew together.
[Touch GSM ROM Development] Noonski:
No that was my own personal skin that i wanted to implement an a wizard rom that i will someday make.

Why, You don't like it?

Or do you like it and want the TSK?

And the battery status is something i should actually disable by default also Quickmenu is not enabled by default.

Also i haven't added icons to the program folders yet, but if all goes well you will propably never see the programs folder.
[Touch GSM ROM Development] pkoper:
I do understand his point, especially as it is not the first time...

It is only fair if we do not finish
[Touch GSM ROM Development] surface_rom:
guys , do not act like bram passed away or something, he'd love to see you guys finish this project.

and im gonna give a spin to this project too.

gr. s
[Touch GSM ROM Development] pkoper:
Noonski? rest of the crew?

gr. p
[Touch GSM ROM Development] Noonski:
The Evolution Of The Surface Rom.

Press the Camera Button to get a glimpse of some of the Changes.

Then Long Press the Green Call Button.

Maybe we don't have Schaps new Rom interface yet.

But this will be getting very close to it ;)

Same will eventually happen when you press The Office Icon and loads more. No More Start Menu Needed. This is not something new, this is something that we should have been doing a long time ago.

I will inherit some of the Surface Graphics but those will be kept a surprise. (yes i retouched the pictures this is still very early in development and i need to get used to this technique)
[Touch GSM ROM Development] Ameet:
hmm.. looks like we need to keep the project on hold (repeat, on hold) for sometime. probably we'll talk it out with bram and noonski takes over as the chief chef in here :)

what say crew?
[Touch GSM ROM Development] Ameet:
now that is a great developement noonski.. we should really implement it in surface rom :)
[Touch GSM ROM Development] havocnl:
Just read about bram.... It a real shame that so many people have this kind of behaviour... and I understand why he did this, also had to do this on one of my old projects... communities can really help, but they can also wreck things....

But on the subject of this ROM project, i'm still in for testing, was on my way here to flash the new nightly from noonski....

I say continue, and finish the project with all remaining people who want to participate, make it a true community project like bram intended. I still believe it is a very good way to reach a great ROM.

So gonna try the nightly now, wish me luck ;)
[Touch GSM ROM Development] kar200:
Hi guys,

I am not sure I understand what is happening here so I will try to keep this short.

Basically I flashed what looks like a beta "looks fantastic to me :)" and I am using it at the moment on my elfin.

I am not sure if you need any feedback with it but I will stay on hold for this and I really think this is an amazing rom.

Good luck for the rest "I am watching this space".
[Touch GSM ROM Development] Noonski:
Jeez louise that was an hour well wasted.

I\Since i also want to replace the Long_Power button function wit new menu..

I ran into the problem that you can't simply run the poweroffwarning.exe as is.

And as posted a long time before in this thread we don't want to lose the funcionality of power off completly.

So i tested and searched and finally found

66#"\Windows\PowerOffWarning.exe" /ExitWindowsEX (EWX_SHUTDOWN, NULL)

So now i can make a shortcut and put that in the new Long Press Power Menu.

I think sharing this is fital Because i haven't seen implenetation of this in a any rom. (And i'm all about sharing)

Since i did not find this on XDA (or maybe i did not search enough)

So now maybe some people understand why somethings take so long.

Screen in a moment.

I consider this my little revenge by not listening to what people want and doing what i think is best ;)

(don't mind the battery icon placement that's because i installed S Mobile Shell to test some other stuff to)
[Touch GSM ROM Development] havocnl:
Looks good noonski :)

Like the idea of a shutdown related menu
[Touch GSM ROM Development] Noonski:
Dude the Whole Menu Structure will be like this.

With Left Right Cube Swipes, Up for Down swipes for down up page or exit.

Also replace the HTC Quicklist.

You can see i'm enthousisatic about it.

And also nice about it is that your not stuck with the default Homescreen backdrop.

Why did i get myself into this...:confused:

I'm grateful for the developer that made this And he will be on top of my thanks list once it's finished.
[Touch GSM ROM Development] :
Couldn't agree with you more. I also add that it should have NO memory drainage problem, and how about a sizable pagepool.
[Touch GSM ROM Development] Noonski:
Oh it's fast believe me.

These functions are more lightweight then enlarged start menu or Quick list.

The only thing that is reducing speed is that it's not a slim rom because it has a lot of other apps. But still it's faster then stock in my experience.

It's not going to be s speedfreak. It's just not that kind of ROM

Back up a few posts a tester already posted that memory is quite stable. But it might use a bit larger IconCache for screen build up.

Trust me, i know what i'm doing.

And there's some people that know what they are doing testing it.

So if you have tried the Beta you will get a feel for the speed, new functions do not change that.

Also the usability should be faster because the main goal is to reduce screen taps and finger friendliness.

Pagepool can be changed, default is 4 for ELF in.

And different Pagepools can be added (since i don't have to test and make them myself), that problem has been solved for a while now.

Unlessyou meant changing this on the Fly in rom.

And it is set to adjust itself to the Home Screen theme you are using so your not stuck with unmatching menu's ;)

Up next is replace HTC Quick list. (Done another HTC App Bites the Dust.)

Does anyone have a nice Iconset or should i stick to HTC Icons for the Quick list? (Ah Fo git it, i used System DLL's already loaded into the Font Cache)

Now here's more bad news. Any Contacts app is crap.

Wanna find someone fast and call them,.. use Smart dial.

That gives me another Home screen softkey to make a new Contact Menu for.

You see the startmenu is slowly completely being replaced, i still gots me 8 more HTC Home buttons left, hm what to use these for.?!

A Photo Button to Landscape and portrait HTC Album with a fixed Graphics (yup this has slipped by some people) & PIMG

A Video Button to L & P HTC Album Video mode, Streaming Media, Flash Player & WMP.

Still got enough buttons left, Say Bye Bye to the startmenu, and if everyone is nice and sweet I'll even do my best to enable configuration off all menu's to your personal extra installed apps needs.

Did i mention it's also going to double as an extra file browser?

Beta Testers and Tweakers PM me for some hardcore Beta testing and swearing into secrecy.

Pkoper, Ameet, And yous other guys this thread is going to be closed we are going underground ;)

Yes we are accepting motivations in the form of Donations to finish the Surface Rom, Donations are also partly donated to XDA & the developer of the application that is going to change the way you use you touch, and it's not Schap's.
[Touch GSM ROM Development] Noonski:
It's a demonstration that it works with your Homescreen backdrop.

Now why would i be giving away the way it's going to look?

I'm only giving away how it's going to work.

(and wanted to pop in the Cube Menu switching)

Every one knows it will have some Green tints and that's about it.

I'm not known as a cook that grabs the first "COOL" theme someone else has made, my priority has always been functionality.

At this moment there is only one image of around 240x320 that is going to determine how everything is going to look.

And the man that has it, retired.

But the good thing is you can always use your own Fav Theme, like i said the Menu's adapt to that, i was just using different themes to show it.

And i will off course need to adjust the font colour so it will be more fitting with different coloured themes.

As for the Icons i'm going for as much System Icons as possible. Better for speed. And if need be the icons can then be directly replaced in the .dll files.
[Touch GSM ROM Development] havocnl:
Flashing as we speak! :D

Should the network wizard you posted be installed to the device or to your storage card (opslagkaart)?? Is this the UC compatible thing (haven't read on this before... probably should)

Will let you know how it works out today on first work. You'll get a nice list of my comments I think ;)
[Touch GSM ROM Development] Noonski:
If you wait an hour i got a newer version that actualltu has some of the new menu's

The Network wizard is hardcoded to the Storage card no matter what you choose and it is UC compliant.

(Changed Font Colour of Menu to Black and White, and Changed Icons. It seams i was bullshitting, Reading from DLL files results in a slower screenbuild up of the menu's, menu is loaded but last icons still need to load, so now i will use new Icons to)

And here's an invitation to a certain Cook to join the Cause...
[Touch GSM ROM Development] havocnl:
Okej i'll just reflash it. Curious for your new menu's!

Crap my stylus just broke.... where the hell did I leave my spare one.....
[Touch GSM ROM Development] Noonski:
Since i repaired my styles it's been a lot stronger.

Extra plastic and melted it.

Few more minutes encountered a little issue with Softkey not wanting to open the "New" Menu.

(And i forget to put the new menu in new icons)

Download:

http://rapidshare.com/files/129428777/RUU_Signed.zip
[Touch GSM ROM Development] havocnl:
Okej thanx, gonna try it when it's downloaded.

btw how exactly did you fix your stylus? put some extra plastic in there, heat it up, and put the other part back in?

Think [dutch]secondenlijm[/dutch] will also work?
[Touch GSM ROM Development] Noonski:
Indeed used a plier to hold the Styles then heated it up with some little extra plastic in there, then i inserted the top of stylus again let it cool and scraped away exces plastic.

Found first bug (fixeable) New Appointment hangs and freezes device.

Competly of topic, but Adam Curry just became my hero.
[Touch GSM ROM Development] havocnl:
Wanna try it but the zip file is password protected???
[Touch GSM ROM Development] Noonski:
Looks like you weren't included in my Mass PM.

BTW there is no Bug.,, It just doesn't like to create an appointment before you have changed the time and date to a more realistic one.
[Touch GSM ROM Development] Ameet:
unfortunately even i was excluded :)
[Touch GSM ROM Development] Noonski:
I think it just failed, you weren't exlcuded.

You were both in it.

I was doing to much at the same time :) Flashing, uploading Posting to two sites, praying.

(Update i just fixed/removed the glass reflection of the mail icons)
[Touch GSM ROM Development] havocnl:
Couple of things:

- when opening the diamand qwerty keyboard for the first time (only then) the numeric "tabs" started at -3/4. When skipping through them behaviour returned to normal, now everything oke

- Camera app is not linked correctly... "Error opening the shortcut or locating the target filename"

- Most of the things in the long-press endkey are useless in my opinion. Accessed by either the new power-key menu or the normal home screen profile tab. Maybe a quick link to connection manager will be more in order here?

- Time zone related stuff goes well, timezone +1 of course. And also the dutch keyboard settings in T9 seem to work well.

First impression, looks better and more finished then the previous beta, overall stability (so far) is very good. Speed is good, except the new menu's appear with a too long delay for my taste.

Visually was really a switch from my regular black/white/bright colors combination skins, but starting to like it.

Gonna **** around with it more tomorrow, installing some custom apps, GPS and Tomtom. And of course going to stress everything you put in it ;)

P.S. don't forget me in the PM's ;)
[Touch GSM ROM Development] Noonski:
I took out the Camera Button i'm making the new one now ;)

Yeah the Endkey menu is a hard one indeed.

It's the only Menu i can't replace easily to start with but leaving it will also result in the only Quickmenu that doesn't change.

Endkey and Commmanager will remain unthought of for the moment.

I will maybe replace the Contacts Menu to random acces it's something that i have to think about and worth a discusion.

But i think you got the right idea and a feeling of my intentions.

The Keybaord is also something i have pushed to the end of my list, i have to switch to Gullums final version and read through his thread to find the Keypad Language Lay out issue. But i'm so into this at the moment that i don't want to change my concentration.

Making the menu's at this moment is do-able but i expect some configuration issues when actually going into the programs menu's and linking them all together in a cube.

Hope to finish Office Menu tomorow (or tonight).

Performance is not yet at max But i'm keeping it save for the moment. There's still some files in HKLM\Init and in services that can die.

Safety First ;)

TNX

Again as for the skin it is not the final version.

This really depends on Bram's Legacy, Like i said all i need is an original image of 320x240 that i can then base stuff on like the commmanger wmp skin etc etc.

That is eventually going to decide the whole look of the ROM.

So Suggestions for a Backdrop are welcome as long as it's an original.

Also suggestions for clock icons are welcome unless these are fine.

And also the HTCHome Tab icons will change in the final version.

Yes baking a rom using stuff you find left and right is easy. Trying to skin everything from Scratch is a whole different ballgame.

If people want to Flash another PDAviet clone or Diamond Look A Like there's Plenty of options out there.

Final version will have at least two .TSK themes.

WTF Dutch Keypad fixed itself...?? Hm also Diamond Keyboard does not start as default anymore...

The Switching bug's been in there for a while.

Also the OEM package for the Menu's been uploaded
[Touch GSM ROM Development] Noonski:
Bram Quit..

But if the easy part about the Icons is that if they are to colurfull i can easily make a greyscale version ;)

So i think it's clear the looks are not yet completly the most important during Beta.
[Touch GSM ROM Development] Noonski:
Another Nightly with Fixed new Camera Menu. And it has the Office Menu with the older Iconset in the HTCHome Programs tab. (you can clearly see the screen build up). Up swipe at the moment is to switch to the rest of the apps , down swipe is to close Menu's (will also change once i open all the options to reconfigure the Menu to personal needs, but i personally also like the down swipe exit action)

Hope to have Cube implemented with left and right swipes by the end of the week.

http://rapidshare.com/files/129487995/RUU_Signed.zip

We are one member Short of the now renamed Surface Production Crew.

One that can cater a SPeCific Language Group?

I wonder who would like to Join SPC?

koala996?
[Touch GSM ROM Development] koala996:
I'm in

well well well... I'm back in the business !

so after a little beta testing .. WOW .. I would have loved Vista to make this impression of speed and responsivity ..

I had a bug .. had to align screen because it was horrible ... I click somewhere and the result was somewhere else.. really hard to know .. but hopefully.. there is a pad :D

tested OPERA.. but quite nice... and I was in the slowest WIFI mode.. I will test later to see if it is even faster !

I haven't seen anything about swiping .. but .. maybe I missed where and how to do it.

You know that I'm always there for help ... so .. HEY .. I join ! Good news .. isn't it ?

I can help to make a french rom (or the frenchiest (new word :D) possible) and to make alternative skin (don't know who is the designer... but I don't like the skins sorry.. but that's just about different style.. about darkblue and light yellow).

I can help for many and many other things... see you soon !
[Touch GSM ROM Development] bereda:
noonski why dont we come up with a few beta skins ( just photo shoped versions nothing implemented in to the rom ) and have a poll since this is basically a comunity project, one from each good designer??? since this seems to be a hott bed for great designers ands rom chefs and if not start a new thread calling out designers who would like to help
[Touch GSM ROM Development] chihliouma:
Hi Noonski, what is the password for this zip file ?
[Touch GSM ROM Development] Noonski:
I have already started making a few changes.

I have a feeling there will be new Skin.

It's a good idea, if only to Stimulate.

But not something big or a pole.

You don't have have welcome.not on the root of your SD card do you?

The only Swipe available is in the Office menu, Up for More ;)

Down for close.

Welcome Back brother, and we are on 2.26 now.

If Only Opera could work from the Windows Folder, that would save some. (That is a Hint)

Switching to AllBlack in next Nightly.

And stop scaring people with your unique bug!
[Touch GSM ROM Development] havocnl:
Another nightly... man I keep flashing with you... ;) :D

Noonski, is it an idea to open a new thread? Thread is getting long, and since bram is gone, you can't update the startpost... Might be usefull for posting new nightly's and other stuff?
[Touch GSM ROM Development] koala996:
2.26 is the one I already flashed ... isn't it ? (that's what Device Information tells me ..)

"Scaring people"... I'm just here to say everything I see to be sure we will be working on solving EVERYTHING !

AllBlack ... mmmmh that sounds great !!

Well... Opera Opera Opera.... I could try to make it work from Windows Folder .. I don't know if it is possible... but I always like to say that : nothing is impossible ! :D

the idea of a new thread will be great... to put things clear and good screens + explanations