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[TouchPad General] HP_TOUCHPAD:
You did it the hard way and congratulations!

There is no need to mount the ISO file.

In the Virtual Machine Software, on your case VM Ware Player, just select the ISO file as the operating system to install, remember there is no installation is a Live CD. On the Virtual Machine settings it only needs 1GB of RAM to run or less. Just Run the Virtual Machine and as it shows, once you connect the Tablet to the host then it will ask if you want to connected to the guest machine. Using a Virtual Machine allows not to reboot your Main PC ( host ).

There is no worries about upgrading windows or any OS in fear that the Palm Novacom driver will stop working.

This should work in a Virtual Machine environment for EVER until we die, because the Tablet will keep working.

Burning a CD or a USB flash drive will allow to boot into any PC, anywhere you go. If anyone finds an HP Touchpad in a dumpster somewhere, using this ISO will provide everything need it to have all done from a complete data reset, to the ToolBox and installing any ROM !

HP could have done the same and use the WebOS Dr, on a Linux CD, providing the Palm Novacom drivers and all the details, it would have avoid a lot of confusion with the boot symbols, but to save half a penny it was not included in the box with the Tablet and now the Palm web site is down with no option for a regular user to get the Tablet working. The ToolBox is an Arm Linux architecture of 67MB that loads into memory.
[TouchPad General] smithylovestouchpad:
I'll leave all this hocus pocus to your guys. I have two Windows 10 laptops with Novacom drivers installed and they work fine. I did have the one PC where the driver became corrupted, but a simple uninstall/ reinstall fixed it without issue. I personally don't subscribe to one must use a PC with an old operating system installed to get Novacom to work. BTW, what do you call an old operating system, XP? After 9 years of playing of with TouchPads, I have never had a problem installing or using Novacom. Any driver can become corrupted on any PC and a simple reinstall will fix it. I have never not been able to fix a driver issue on any PC that reinstalling the driver did not fix the issue. I am not saying that your method does not have a place in someone's software toolbox. But Novacom is so easy to install. Just right click on the Novacom Installer and click "Install" and in few seconds, it is installed. Put the TPTBv42, TWRP or WipeAll batch files in the Palm, Inc. folder and run them. That just seems so much easier than burning ISO's to CD' s or thumb drives or in VM's and watching all these tutorials to learn how to use your Novacom Repair method. I'm not a software junkie like you guys. I like straight forward and simple. And one click to install Novacom is SIMPLE!

Hats off to you HPTP for creating an interesting method. Just not my cup of tea.

Smithy
[TouchPad General] DoubleStuff:
All valid points Smithy, I too have Novacom installed on my Windows 10 64bit laptop, but last time I checked more and more Novacom links to install the software were broken and they were getting harder to find, and I was hearing of others having issues trying to install it on newer PC's.

So the idea of having a Novacom permanently ready to go appealed to me, in case, when we go to Windows 11 or 12 and Novacom does not install, I have learned this new method and will be ready. That being said, I dont really use my Touchpads too much, I just like playing around with new install methods and reading these threads on XDA, and maybe helping a newbie or two. Like you said it would be fun if JC Sullins came back for a day or two and made some final comments on the state of the HP TOUCHPAD, but I guess he did not reply to HP_TOUCHPAD's request to have permission to change the TP Toolbox code for some important modifications that have been needed since 2015 and the advent of incompatible zips. Boy that term is also a blast from the past as was "ttinstall" which is going on in another thread as we speak.
[TouchPad General] HP_TOUCHPAD:
On the next Operating System upgrade, the support for old drivers could be block or it could actually crash the system. Does that mean the PC can not be updated or maintain just to use the Novacom drivers to get something done on the Tablet.

Every user can use any method that is easier for them, but the more options and solutions the better as you never know when it maybe need it.
[TouchPad General] smithylovestouchpad:
I was always under the impression that all this is open source. That as long as credit was given, one could modify and adapt any thing related to Android, Linux and the like. Why would Sullins care if HPTP updated and improved TPTB? If he has the knowledge and skills, all five or ten of us who still use a TouchPad would benefit. When you run TPTB, no where do you see anything about it being copyrighted or that modifying or improving it is prohibited. Where people get in trouble, they take a program or app, rename it, put their name on it and put it out as their own.

So what is going on concerning ttinstall in another thread? Link?

Smithy

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You missed commenting on a couple of statements I made, 1. I am not saying that your method does not have a place in someone's software toolbox. 2. Hats off to you HPTP for creating an interesting method. It's just not my cup of tea. Those were complements.

Lastly, you are WRONG, I did and do know how to load a uImage, it was the corrupted Novacom driver that was throwing me a curve. Once I used a second PC to prove it could be done, I went back to the first PC, and reinstalled the Novacom drivers. That's called trouble-shooting pal. And your link to post 406 proves my point.

Smithy
[TouchPad General] HP_TOUCHPAD:
The thread about modifying the ToolBox can be found on my guide, read it !

https://xdaforums.com/hp-touchpad/general/Click HERE for how to modify the ToolBox

Also to mentioned, the HP Touchpad is the perfect Device to learn Android OS. If you have an Android Smartphone, is risky to modified the OS or make changes, it can be bricked and no way to make a phone call !

The Tablet can be use as the experiment device and see how the internal of the OS works.

One of the most important is the Ramdisk, which required a Linux OS. The user have total control by using this ISO to make any permanent modification and learn. It is not only an OS with Novacom Driver, read the guide again for everything that it can do.
[TouchPad General] DoubleStuff:
See my comments in blue above.

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DoubleStuff says,

Ok well somebody did, because I am quoting your comment from this post below...

HP_TOUCHPAD says,

It could be the only file to load, but I am not going to change it, a request was sent to jcsulling for permission, but no replied. Anywhere jcsullins is " Many Thanks"

see this post for context:

Post #179
[TouchPad General] HP_TOUCHPAD:
DoubleStuff says,

Ok well somebody did, because I am quoting your comment from this post below...

HP_TOUCHPAD says,

It could be the only file to load, but I am not going to change it, a request was sent to jcsulling for permission, but no replied. Anywhere jcsullins is " Many Thanks"

see this post for context:

Post #179[/QUOTE]

Again read this specific post:

https://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=78649680&postcount=3

Probably a request was never sent, it was a discussion on how to removed the restriction of installing only specifics ROMs. Keep in mind I am not a developer and not connected to that side of the spectrum, I looked for an alternative and found out that I could use TWRP to re-partition and use TWRP to flash any ROM and that is where the Wipe_All came to be.
[TouchPad General] smithylovestouchpad:
I saw your post elsewhere about the java installer for Novacom not working any more. There is a Windows installer version you can download here:

https://www.sheldonsblog.com/cant-download-novacom-drivers-for-windows-to-connect-hp-touchpad/

Just right click on NovacomInstaller_x64.msi and click install. There is a 32 bit version too. Easy peazy. No java installer needed.

Smithy

---------- Post added at 04:35 AM ---------- Previous post was at 04:29 AM ----------

Again read this specific post:

https://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=78649680&postcount=3

Probably a request was never sent, it was a discussion on how to removed the restriction of installing only specifics ROMs. Keep in mind I am not a developer and not connected to that side of the spectrum, I looked for an alternative and found out that I could use TWRP to re-partition and use TWRP to flash any ROM and that is where the Wipe_All came to be. [/QUOTE]

You know there is an easy work-around. Just use one of the compatible recoveries and gapps files available and immediately after installing, flash the updated version of TWRP. Worked like a charm for me when I reverted my TP back to Sullin's CM11 sans swap. Fresh start, complete data reset and all that.

Smithy

P.S. I agree with DS, sure looks like some kind of contact with Sullins was attempted.
[TouchPad General] DoubleStuff:
Thanks Smithy I clicked the link and dowloaded the NovacomInstallers and put them on a

thumb drive along with HPTP's .iso file, because you never know how long these "rogue" links

will be up, and when I am going to need it.

As per contacting JCSullins controversy, I can't find the link, but I believe Flintman tried to contact him about the TPTB code back in the Evervolv 5 days, and maybe even some others have tried, and of course Sullins XDA has been inactive for quite a while, but I am sure ( he is no dummy ) he has probably created a new account and comes on here and poses as a newbie once in a while. ;)

I am hearing rumors now that Android Q, will not be named after a tasty treat, because these treats names, Petit Four, Cupcake, Donut, Eclair, Froyo, Gingerbread, Honeycomb, IceCream Sandwich, JellyBean, KitKat, Lollipop, Marshmallow, Nougat, Oreo and Pie even though popular treats in the USA, does not mean these treats have worldwide appeal, nor were they fully understood in other languages. So I am hearing Android Q will just be named Android 10, so I guess

we have reached an "end of an era".
[TouchPad General] smithylovestouchpad:
Quote:

LOL, 5 or 10 users, that is funny and you maybe right that their is 5 or 10 "regulars" who post on these threads, but I have posted the number of downloads of the alternate method and its in the thousands. And even the most recent zip I posted in July already has over 300 downloads.

Good to know there are a few lurkers out there who choose to take but not participate. It's nice to get feedback on your work as well as an occasional thanks.

Quote:

# This script is Copyright (c) 2014 James Sullins, All rights reserved.

# James (JC) Sullins, aka jcsullins

# No modifications or distribution without permission

Would have been nice if he has posted that in the OP of his thread instead of burying it in his code. I'm not a lawyer, but just because you put that claim of being copyrighted out there does not mean it is. I doubt if he actually ever filed the paperwork to copyright TPTB. Although as arrogant as he always came across, he just might have done so. God forbid that someone else could help improve on HIS work.

Smithy
[TouchPad General] smithylovestouchpad:
Just curious, so you create this Linux Live CD or run this operating system in a virtual machine and regardless of the PC you run it on, it is going to work? So Linux contains all the drivers needed to work on all the hardware out there, Dell, HP, Lenovo, Sony, Asus, Acer, Toshiba, desktop, laptop, regardless?

Smithy
[TouchPad General] DoubleStuff:
I agree with you on the copyright Smithy, because recently a music artist named Katy Perry was sued by Flame, because Flame said Katy Perry copied from his song, when she created the song "Dark Horse", if only Katy would have given Flame some kudos/credit for the song, I think Flame would have been OK with it. Plus HPTP wants people to "save a click" and not even press the thanks button, I am sure he does not want any money for his work. So if he gets sued, what is 50% of $0.00, you guessed it a big zero. LOL. I have learned so much over the past 2 years because of everybodies work in trying to improve the touchpad install method, that its worth it for me. But I wish JCSullins could come back for a day or two and tell us his final summary of the past 4 years.

And maybe JC could mend the fences with some people he was at odds with, it would be like the big reunion of Jerry Lewis and Dean Martin, after they had that bitter split for for 20 years, finally reunited during the 1976 Jerry Lewis Telethon.
[TouchPad General] HP_TOUCHPAD:
@smithylovestouchpad

All your comments, suggestion and critics are well welcome. The most valuable asset of the thread are the comments, questions, answers and debate, that's what we learned from. Nobody has to agree or use any specific method, but the most important is to post valuable and helpful information for any user to have the best experience using the HP TP.

On the Linux Operating System the drivers are incorporated into the Kernel, there are many versions of Linux with different Kernels. Most Linux OS can boot on any Computer and provide support for a lot of hardware and devices, Dell, HP, Lenovo, Sony, Asus, Acer, Toshiba and Apple. All those Personal Computer brands use the same Processor, Intel or AMD with same technology standards. Linux is very powerful it does not need to be install to run on a computer, is call a Live CD or (USB Flash drive).

An example:

The computer hard drive is failing and not booting into the OS, or the boot sector is damage. A Linux (CD) (USB) can be connected to the computer and it loads the Linux OS into memory ( RAMDISK ). Data can be copy from the failing hard drive or the boot sector can be restore, it can resolve many issues.

The Linux version used for the HP Touchpad Novacom Repair is based on Puppy Linux compatible with Ubuntu Bionic. If you read the info the OS is less than 300 MB with more software support that of a full modern OS. It will boot on any Computer, from 20 years ago to the most current. The computer does not need a hard drive and no more than 1GB of RAM. The smallest Linux Distro is Tiny Core :

https://distro.ibiblio.org/tinycorelinux/downloads.html

Is a 16 MB Operating System that support most computers with Graphics, Sound, Networking, Mouse, Keyboard, CD, Hard drive.

The most current FireFox browser can be install to a total OS of about 200 MB and is all loaded into Memory and due to that even a computer that is about 15 years old will browse the web faster that any new one !

Booting from a Virtual Machine will work 100 % on anything even on an ARM processor. It can even be run on any modern Android Smartphone, meaning your phone can connect to the Tablet to repair it.

Virtualization adds a layer of software codes that mimic the hardware that the OS needs to run from.

Puppy Linux is the distro that I found small enough that supports the Novavcom Driver and allows for the Ramdisk to be modified. At only 355 MB total it can be copy onto a 1GB flash drive and still have 700 MB for extra files. It can be boot on any old computer, with no hard drive, monitor, keyboard or mouse. The only thing extra is a network card and USB port. Once it boots VNC Server is active and using VNC Viewer it can be control remotely. There are many ways on using it but no matter how, it will always work as intended.
[TouchPad General] HP_TOUCHPAD:
Is posted on my Guide, I am a user not a developer and all the modifications I am doing is what any user can do, but I am trying to make it easier for others to apply on to the Tablet. I am not creating any proprietary code or special software. But there are other "humans been" that the only thing they care is personal gain and will use others people ideas and work, modified it and call it their own. It happens all over, look into this web site XDA and you will find it. There is a reason for a patent registration that is stronger than just a copyright and even patents takes years to get approved and still others use it.

Jc Sullins spent a lot of time creating the ToolBox and just posted it for everyone to use. Anyone can easily modified it, repack it and distributed with another name and charge, that is the reality. But the ToolBox is not a proprietary software or code, is a version of Angstrom v2015.01, Built from branch: master, Revision: 038d832 (open source )

http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/

Running scripts to perform the task with busybox and LVM. There is no custom codes, but the script and that is just a way of writing a command to be executed.

Attached are the list of scripts from the Toolbox, when a user enter an option the script it call and executed by busybox or LVM.

It is very well done and perfectly executed. If the WiFi drivers can be ported to Anstrom Arm OS, a system can be built that will do it all, with web browser built in to automatically download the latest Recovery, Android Version, Resize all Partitions and automatically fix any issues. But the drivers for the HP TP are proprietary and not available or easily portable to other OS.

Read very careful this links, it could have provided the information to create the HP Touchpad Debrick, the Pre phone runs on WebOS, same as the Tablet.

One situation which cannot be recovered so easily is the extremely unlikely event of corruption of the installed bootloader (bootie) stored on the Pre's flash disk.

And this is the Most important, that clearly state that a WebOS device can not be brick even if the bootie is damage.

If bootie on the flash disk has been damaged or corrupted in such a way that booting into recovery mode is not possible, the Pre is

still not "bricked" as the OMAP3430 processor in the Pre provides for a mechanism to boot code from its USB interface

. At this time this operation has not been performed on a Pixi, and will not be the same as it has a different core.

https://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Last_Resort_Emergency_BootLoader_Recovery

https://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1564938
[TouchPad General] HP_TOUCHPAD:
Thank you for sharing the information, it is good to know that you recently found the Novacom drivers for Windows. I do have all the drivers for all the OS.

On this post August 5 when your Windows Novacom Driver malfunctioned, you asked for the drivers:

https://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=80016787&postcount=418

The java installer was the Universal to get it working on any OS, but it need it java to be install and that was another challenge plus about 200 MB extra just to use a driver.

The Windows driver installed on my Windows x64 with no issues, attached are the screenshots.

It is very easy to install, just a click. But having the Novacom Installed on Windows or any other OS does not mean that the Tablet will get fix. Is only a driver that was created in 2009 to communicate with Palm phones that came with software that used the driver.

Your issued is the perfect example and this is how it all started:

https://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=80014852&postcount=391

With the HP Touchpad Novacom Repair Android, is not only the driver but the user knows what to do when they see a symbol on the tablet screen and the only thing to do is connected and click. It will always work as long as the PC has a USB port and the Tablet connection works.

If the user is using any other OS, Windows as an example, it must know how to open a command prompt in the Palm, Inc directory.

That is not an easy task for a regular user, you could not do it as in your post:

https://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=80016787&postcount=418

As you can recall, it was a challenge for a user like you that claims using Novacom drivers is as easy as a click and all done, well think what it can be to others using different operating system.
[TouchPad General] smithylovestouchpad:
So what's your point. Only thing I see is you saying I'm stupid and you are so smart. That your way is the best and only way because you created it. Do you get a thrill putting people down? I have posted a link to an installer that does not require java, you put me down for that. I pay you complements, you don't even have the courtesy to say thank you. The only issue I had was a corrupted driver that caused the problem. You try to make it out that I don't know what the hell I am doing. I was the one who figured out it was a corrupt driver and I shared that. And why is it that someone asks for a link to a possibly needed file and no help from you. You say you have the Novacom driver for all OS's. How come you could not have provided a link? And BTW, after the fact I realize your suggestions were misleading. To run TWRP, TPTB or your Wipe routine on the TouchPad, all one has to do is run the associated script. No command window needed. I acknowledged early on that hardware was my area of expertise, not software, writing scripts or code. So why are you holding that against me? Oh wait, that makes you the big man cause you know it all and I admitted I did not understand what you were saying. You must live in a really big building to accommodate your huge ego. But that's OK, my TouchPads run just fine without your Wipes, Swaps, Optimizations or Reducers.

And since I am about to say "adios" to this little circus, you should really find someone to edit your threads, posts and guides. I asked you before if English was your first language and you said it wasn't, and it's very obvious it is not. At times it is really difficult to understand what you are trying to say because of it. You never say anything in your videos. Now we know why, no one could understand you.

Well, I've had my fun at your expense. So I only have one thing left to say, BYTE ME!
[TouchPad General] HP_TOUCHPAD:
You are not the problem, is all the Computer companies that restrict the use of computers that makes them useless.

To boot from USB, you will have to go to the PC Bios and enable to boot from the USB or select a key when booting that could bring a boot menu all PC are different.

Also Virtualization must be enable in the Bios as well, companies disable it by default.

All this is hidden and sometimes is very difficult to get to it, specially on new systems.

I did install VirtualBox Version 6.1.16 r140961 (Qt5.6.2) on Windows 10x64 20H2.

There is nothing specific for the CPU on this LIVE CD is very basic.

Select OS Linux, otherx64.

Attached are screenshot that it could help better.

Also you can try this other LIVE CD, it has it all even to DEBRICK the Tablet, but it will be best to run from USB as the Tablet gets disconnected.

https://xdaforums.com/hp-touchpad/general/hp-touchpad-debrick-linux-live-cd-t4189245
[TouchPad General] bighark:
hello - I installed VirtualBox and got the program up and running. However the computer dont seem to recognize my touchPad when i connect it through USB (PC / host OS windows 10)? I am not using the original USB cable, however I am using one that i connect to my Digital Camera as I use that to transfer my photos from camera to my SSD (so it handles data, right?). I've tried different usb ports and it just doesn't seem to recognize it (it will recognize my camera no problem). Any idea? Also, the touchpad does charge as well.