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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] _Alex_:
HTC Performance has been around for at least 1+ years and has been proven time and time again on many different HTC devices to be 100% placebo effect and 0% speed increase.

Let's drop discussions about HTC performance and keep focused on creating a real Kaiser overclocking app :D

FWIW, added to the sticky.

*edit* All posts about 'HTC Performance' will be moved into this thread. Feel free to discuss HTC performance there.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] wingman_214:
jocky, any updates?

maybe olipro and pof have some more ideas.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] austinsnyc:
I just saw this at enadget.com about Andriod but it looks like the same processor as is in the kasier will run at 528MHz

Following the grand reveal of the latest Android build running on fresh HTC-sourced hardware at I/O today, Google took some questions that managed to pull a few extra gems from the rough. First and foremost, key specs of that lovely piece of kit were exposed: 3.6Mbps HSDPA is on board, as is a Qualcomm MSM7201A processor good for 528MHz, 128MB of RAM, 256MB of ROM,
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] GSLEON3:
Both MSM7200 & 7201 report 436ms.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] jockyw2001:
Good info :)

Someone with a MSM7201 please try this:

- enter spl bootloader and connect with MTTY (USB)

- type "freq 5"

- type "mw 8C00E2B0 1 0"

- type "freq 6"

- if device doesn't freeze, type "test" and report the value

- if it froze then remove and reinsert battery and boot normally
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Vaxon:
Hi,

If you can provide me with info how to type anything in the spl bootloader (after holding camera button and soft resetting I'm not able to type a thing) I can try to do that. Sorry for lame question.

Regards.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] aruppenthal:
Jocky is refering to the use of mtty i believe. If you use mtty it is very important to only use the commands specified by jocky as doing the wrong commands in mtty can have adverse effects. If you search the site for mtty you can find it easily.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] pen-pen:
Got a freeze right after typing the mw 8C00E2B0 1 0 command.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Vaxon:
I have tried it on MSM7200 but unfortunatly it freezes after freq 6 command |-:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] pen-pen:
Sorry, I just seen that I've typed mw C00E2B0 1 0 instead of mw 8C00E2B0 1 0 :/

So, my device did not freeze after the freq 6, and I've got 436ms on a MSM7200
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] jockyw2001:
Thx, but I already know the result for a MSM7200 device. This test is only for MSM7201 users. Furthermore the instructions have to followed exactly as I wrote them.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] manaaa:
hi,

makes it sense to try this on a polaris or nike?

regards
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] jockyw2001:
If you have a MFG SPL installed you can try the "freq" and "test" commands.

Just type "test" and see what it says and just type "freq" and it will show the supported clock modes. You can't use the "mw" commands as the clock speed table will be on another address.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] aonanodad:
freq 5

Change frequency to level 5 ok

Cmd>mw 8C00E2B0 1 0

8C012480: E8B0FFFF E1A0F00E - EE100F10 E1A0F00E | ................

8C012490: E1A0000D E1A0F00E - E3A00000 EE070F1A | ................

8C0124A0: EE070F9A EE070F90 - E1A0F00E 00000000 | ................

8C0124B0: 00000000 E3A00401 - E1A00000 E1A00000 | ................

8C0124C0: E2500001 E1A00000 - E1A00000 1AFFFFF9 | .P..............

8C0124D0: E1A0F00E 8C01246C - E92D4030 E3520000 | ......$l.-@0.R..

8C0124E0: E1A04001 E1A05000 - 12422001 E3D4C00F | ..@...P..B .....

8C0124F0: 1A000001 E3520000 - 0A000003 E1A01224 | .....R.........$

8C012500: E1A00005 EBFFFFF3 - E204400F E5952000 | ..........@... .

8C012510: E354000A 32843030 - 22843037 E5C23000 | .T..2.00".07..0.

Cmd>freq 6

Change frequency to level 6 ok

Cmd>test

436 ms

Cmd>
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] jockyw2001:
Not good, you should type the commands and not use copy & paste
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] jockyw2001:
GSLEON3 and I tested with his MSM7201 and managed to double the ARM11 clock from 384MHz to 768MHz. George, could you repeat the result?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] johnny13oi:
Wouldn't doubling the clock make it a very extreme overclock and could possibly fry the chip or overheat it very quickly?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] aonanodad:
Sorry.

Here are new results.

-----------------------

test

436 ms

Cmd>freq 5

Change frequency to level 5 ok

Cmd>test

655 ms

Cmd>mw 8C00E2B0 1 0

Cmd>test

655 ms

Cmd>freq 6

-----------------------------

then it froze, but a soft reset revived it fine.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] aonanodad:
OK, I've been doing these tests.

I presume that "mw 8C00E2B0 0 1" modifies the frequency table for the "freq 6" command. Freq 6 causes the device to hang after that command on my 7201 Tilt. Is that the only choice for a faster clock frequency?

Is there a list of the SPL commands anywhere? I have searched the forums and have found some information but not a good list - at least not one that talks about the mw and test commands. Also, is there an annotated source code listing for the ROM that would tell me something about what I am doing when I modify bytes at 8C00E2B0? I know I could probably find more information by digging through these forums, but I figured someone might be nice to me since I volunteered my new Tilt as a gunea pig. ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] GSLEON3:
No offense, but if you are unsure about what these commands mean, or how to really use MTTY in conjunction with SPL commands, maybe you should leave it alone. I really mean no offense, but there are thing MTTY can do to really wreak havoc on your device...as in kaput, dead...

After all, there are many experienced people working in here & I'd really hate to see your device dead trying to duplicate an experiment already performed. Cut & Paste can get you into bog trouble, & I have a device used solely for some of Jocky's experiments & whims.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] GSLEON3:
The freezing is caused because there are othe divisors we are still missing. You have factors in scaling for CPU, BUS & RAM speed setting. I also have a feeling that the overclock in the msm series is voltage driven, not frequency.

Jocky, I was thinking, the device has to have an OEM default scale, so even if we patch it if this is controlled somewhere else, or if there is a module we're missing, that could be why it freezes. AI think we need to find a way to disable the OEM clock scaling first & then try applying spped patches.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] aonanodad:
How do you drive overclocking by voltage? You mean that you would want to overvolt the chip to be able to overclock it?

The Diamond uses a 65nm msm7201 and a lower voltage to get the 528 mhz clock rate without increasing power consumption or heat dissipation.

Other than battery life, heat dissipation will be the biggest problem with overclocking the Kaiser.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] neva dinova:
would it really get that much hotter if we only overclocked it to 450mhz
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] no2chem:
hello,

I have a titan and have reverse engineered (actually, rewrote) the msm_clk.dll driver. It has a function msm_set_clk_params, but it only controls the msm_clk_pause function. Interestingly, the QTV driver tries to use the function and sets the clock to 384 MHz.

Anyway, I was wondering how far you got with reversing the freq command - do you know which memory locations are being set (or which registers) control the divider? I haven't looked in the titan spl, but I don't recall the "freq" command.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] jockyw2001:
Yeah, I got pretty far reversing it.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] NuShrike:
I've reversed the msm_clk.dll and clkregim.dll for the Kaiser to the point where I get similar or better ASM (which I've posted the full binary in the d3d/opengl/qualcomm thread before), but I don't claim to understand the C that well yet.

Jocky, want to combine with what I have? I am currently too busy to focus on this.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] daedric:
Nevermind...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] austinsnyc:
no check back for updates and dont clutter the thread with questions like yours please or mods delete that crap before this turns the wrong way.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] no2chem:
@nushrike and jocky

i'm posting the c code for msm_clk here. feel free to use it, it doesn't seem like it actually does anything really interesting. i also rewrote it to write messages to kitl for debug use. i've also rewrote parts of wce_rex, if you're interested. i haven't looked at the d3d thread, but from what I can understand from the C, it only controls pausing the clock.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] NuShrike:
Thanks. I do think a lot of the clock control meat is probably in clkregim.dll. Of course, a lot of this is a wrapper for TrsTai_extension.dll, so that's where you start digging into the secret amss qualcomm code.

From what I can tell from wce_rex, it also controls masking off data-abort interrupts during certain kernel operations, as well as allocating and tracking chunks of virtual memory (the KS20, new HTC WM6.1, and Diamond versions).
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] jockyw2001:
Thanks! I'm sticking to assembler code for the moment. It's very easy to reverse the freq command. You end up with all relevant io regs. I will not publish these yet, but you and NuShrike can send me a PM if you have questions.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] manaaa:
hi,

im still with my custom rom and spl. i dunno if olipro' s work here matches the requirements of a MFG SPL. >> http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=351964

he states 'also please note this Hard-SPL is based on an MFG, for those of you who intend to play.'

so, if you need some polaris values, or need to test some files on the polaris for further progress, then count me in, np to install the hardspl and go though the instructions ;)

btw...

i read gsleon and you successfully overclocked the kaiser with double speed. that runs stable?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] GSLEON3:
LOL, fun, but not stable.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] austinsnyc:
Great job guys so it IS possible to overclock the kaiser! Who cares if its not stable at this point!! It shows that it can be done.... Please inform us on how this was done and if any speed increase was seen while using the device when it was overclocked!!

I'm sure LOTS of people would like to hear what you have to say!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] jcespi2005:
Really nice work :)

Congratulations to all for the efforts

Cheers
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] GSLEON3:
Nothing worth sharing, really, I swear. While we can change the overall clock setting, the OEM scalling is still controlling Bus & Ram speed, there is too much we are still missing, some of it ties into the AMSS & that I think is an area only Jocky really understands. You'll see some (Very Slight) affect when many apps are open, but you'll deal with much more freezing as well & battery consumption. This is something that took Anton years to do for the px chips.

So far the vast majority of kaisers, all early units, completely freeze when trying to change the clock. We're not there yet.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] djrinc:
...

All these tests and experiments sound great and all, i hope you guys come up with something specifically for the Tilt...but for those who don't want to wait look for HTCPerformance.cab works fine for me. It's not actually for the Kaiser/Tilt but it's tested and it works. Only 2 speed adjustments but definately noticable increase.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] GSLEON3:
LOL, dude do you really think you found something that no one else would know about???

C'mon, man. How do you know it works? I happen to know it NEVER has worked on any Pocket PC or Touch Screen device period. I have disassembled it, tested & benchmarked it, & poured thru it with a fine tooth comb using IDA PRO. There have been numerous other endeavors into HTC Performance as well. HTC PERFORMANCE DOES NOT WORK, IF IT WORKS FOR YOU, WELL, CONGRATULATIONS ON BEING SUGGESTABLE. I HAVE A PILL THAT WILL MAKE YOU THE STRONGEST MAN IN THE WORLD & FOR A LIMITED TIME IT'S ONLY $99.99
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] RizwanKhan:
hahahaha lmao :D can't stop laughing :D:D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] swtaltima:
GSLEON, just curious about something. I had used this program before and it is weird when it activated and you (x) out of it it seems snappier? What I am curious about is why that would be if it does not effect the speed at all. Just curious, but in no way challenging your opinion on the matter.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] GSLEON3:
If that indeed is your belief, let's see if it holds.

Run baench marking utilities before & after use. You can also use SK Tools to see if ti's optimizing threads or something. (Hint: Skip the SK Tools, I've tried that & there was no difference) Also, _Alex_ has done extensive bench marking & if you believe his findings, device performance was actually worse with HTC Performance (Within the margin for error though, so probably no effect)

Also, everyopne that says that it works, always says it works on the lower setting, that makes no sense. Take a look at the registry keys it creates, I don't see how it could do much creating two keys that do nothing othere than reflect what check box you've selected, & accroding to the reg keys, on the lower setting it actually reports as disabled.

Much of the program & API's are deprecated. Just one of those things, like jumping higher in Nike's than you do in Adidas.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] manaaa:
he gsleon,

any convo with anton yet, or further details?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] GSLEON3:
From what I've seen & heard, Anton thinks he's too good for us. I have emailed him, but he thinks it better we share everything with him via email without him putting anything on the table. I've invited him to the forum & given him the user names of all the interested parties. He responded asking for all of our info to be emailed to him, I did that & have yet to hear or see of him yet. To my knowledge neither has anyone else.

My impression is that he'd maybe lurk waiting to find something he can patent & use without having to contribute himself. I've yet to get any further correspondence & it's been over a month now.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] sebastianmc:
my God!!

please forget HTC Performance!! its like the xcpuscalar on Hermes,,, lol I dont believe theres people that believes in htc performance!!

but I believe a day we ll running our kaisers at 528mhz!! Im waiting for it!!:D:p

regards and sorry for my english:confused:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] dharvey4651:
Has any real progress been made on this? Is it even possible? I know this was a hot topic when the thread was first started but it seems to have died.

I think that even though the ATI drivers are now working that overclocking should still be an active topic of discussion.

Think about it. If you have optimized ATI Imageon video drivers and an overclocked processor then you have the possibility of pushing the phone to its maximum potential and who really knows how high that really is...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] fisha21:
:confused::confused:

Did I miss something? I know the drivers been extracted from the Diamond ROM, but I have not see any proof that they are "working".
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] dharvey4651:
In the Vogue forum over at PPCGeeks they have made great progress and have the drivers booted and funtioning in a couple of ROMs over there. They're not really optimized to their fullest potential but yes they are working.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] TDO:
That's the understatement of the year.

There is only one function accelereted and you don't even notice this in real live.

So there are no realy functioning drivers available.

TDO
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] keethar:
I'm extremely interested in this project. Has any progress been made? I read PHM overclocking would become available for the mogul, would the same method be transferrable to the Polaris of Kaiser.

Thumbs up for the guys working on this!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] arn350z:
screen shots ???

Does the cpu have variable adjustments built in?

Why does my tilt show higher than 400 mhz?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] AciDCooL:
So that video player has a overclock function ? :eek:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] DaveShaw:
I don't think so. I think the Media player has an accurate (or maybe inaccurate) CPU speed tester.

Ta

Dave
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] CrArc:
What exactly are the limitations of the kaiser as things are at the moment? I mean, if these drivers advance to some kind of official release stage (and support 2D acceleration also) will overclocking be necessary? Considering it's all CPU-based right now yet still manages to work at passable speed, offloading the display onto the hardware would make a massive difference, right? Well, whether it will or won't it would be awesome to have support for overclockage, so I pledge to lurk in this thread regularly ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] joel2009:
Anyone still working on this? or is the project now dead!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] B0$$$:
ok so there's a lot of talk about overclocking...

anyone actually do this?

and how can it be done?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] TruthAEE:
looks dead here are sheets

http://www.datasheetpro.com/268120_view_MSM7500_datasheet.html

http://blogimg.chinaunix.net/blog/upfile2/081222113141.pdf

http://www.scribd.com/doc/2605778/MSM7500A
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] msd24200:
have you guys tried the htc performance tool to see if it helps?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] MarkanthonY:
obiviously you did not read the whole post before posting. There have been no real results using HTC Performance.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] msd24200:
obviously i did read the post was just asking because i have read mixed feelings about it, and was hoping to get a fresh opinion, obviously
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] wim26:
Unfresh opinion.....Doesnt work! ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] DaveShaw:
It's a placebo effect, people just think it's faster because they expect it to be :D

Only the OMAP processers have been successfully overclocked.

Dave
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Shammyh:
so nothing new with overclocking with respect to our MSM powered kaisers then?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] TieT:
*dead* ? or isnt it ?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] extreme23:
so, can the kaiser be overcloked????
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] DaveShaw:
Probably, it's just, no one knows how to do it yet :)

Dave
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] extreme23:
ok, in that case, We have to wait.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Ding911:
We need to figure this out. Would be amazing!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] hoss_n2:
diamond processor is msm[ 7201 A ] which differ allot from[ 7200 and 7201 ] without[ A] it is a completly different processor so kaiser cannot be overclocked to be 528 mhz processsor it is out of its maximum range

my advice is to stop trying no results will be done want a good processor buy a current device
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] garringm:
At one time kaiser users were able to overclock now if that was actual overclocking I dont know but it did help, It did cause a lot of problems with the phone itself, mainly he phone would go to sleep and not wake up.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] toubeau:
Using Android we already have overclocked it [Kaiser] up to 528MHz (HTC Dream/Magic/Hero default freq) so technically it could absolutely be done under WinMo...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] pesok:
Any updates on this? I have Sprint TP2 with arm11 as well but msm7600 qualcomm. It runs at 528 but the new Sprint Samsung Moment seems to have arm11 as well but that runs at 800mhz(granted its a dual with samsung/qualcomm). What about this: http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=7461
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] daedric:
Well... my Kaiser is a t a whoping 528Mhz... although running Android... :D

So... it is possible... we simply haven't found out how...

(At least, i think it is... acording to bootsettings in default.txt, but only checking /proc i could confirm it...)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] joejensen0:
I have a 7201 CPU but I the only way I know how to enter the boot loader is to flash a new rom. If someone can walk me through getting to the boot loader, I will get you what you want.

Noob
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] daedric:
Enter Bootloader mode: Hold Camera + Power buttons together and reset with stylus
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] :
Anyway, if there's a way to overclock Kaiser, isn't the battery already a problem?

Overclocking it would cause way less battery time, so I really can't find it useful by any instance :rolleyes:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] daedric:
Not quite... the ARM is very good at powersaving... :)

Bad analogy, you have a car...you increase Turbo, reprogram the ECU...

Does it spend mor while on Neutral and no feet on the throtle?

Just like that, the ARM cpu can issue a command for powersaving that almost stops the core...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] slave2anubis:
hi, i was wandering if you can overclock the Nokia E63 it has the same Arm 11 core!?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] TjaXanK:
I was thinking, how hard can it be to oc a kaiser on windows mobile if you can do so on android? I get the fact that power consumption would go up but my kaiser is pretty slow even with the most stripped down roms, I'm new to the ppc world but I'd like to help since it can't be all different than a pc.. anyone that is capable of doing something shoul'd look up ''rogue tools'' app for android
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] mca1:
i have msm7200 kaiser160

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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] f4ll3ns3raf1n:
and how about this project?

my kaiser runs very well at 578mhz (android), so it is possible somehow, but i wonder if only in android? or WinMo can go with it too? :-)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] raulnayak:
guys..I have a samsung monte with Arm11 processor..I have a datasheet for it which says that the Arm11 processor,BCM2153 has 312MHz speed..Can somebody help me overclock it..I would really appreciate if the speed even increased to 500MHz or the highest STABLE speed..Please help me..I am a monte modder but a noob at overclocking..can it be overclocked?? If yes then how or is there a general procedure to do that??