[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] imranbashir_uk:
What a load of nonsense, your original statement was that the X1 is rubbish and that you’d prefer a much *larger* device that had a removable keyboard. So given the choice you would go for a larger device than a smaller one with a built in keyboard (Athena Vs Xperia X1). To top it off your very next post said that *size* was immensely important which contradicts your original statement straight away.

Following on from the above, you go on to say that you clearly don’t want a keyboard so any device with a keyboard is rubbish to you. You then go on to say that keyboards are old and that you do not like people's attachment to them, because they delaying the keyboard's inevitable demise. Furthermore your next post went on to show just how arrogant your statements can be, when you said that *you know you’re right*. Apple haven't yet produced a phone with a keyboard or keypad, and that three members of the HTC have very few physical buttons. I questioned your flawed logic on the above statement due to the limited sample size.

Rather than let this argument lay to rest you decided to elaborate by describing a pointless hypothetical graph plotting the number of phones with keys vs the number of devices without. Again your flawed logic was that as the number of touch screen only devices was increasing then the number of devices with keys must be coming down. Well the market is still growing so that logic does not apply. Furthermore what I think you will find is that the number of devices with keys is growing at a faster rate than the number of devices without. So let this argument lay to rest rather than digging yourself into a deeper hole.

Moving on to a key is a key, I provided you with real and justifiable reasons why some people prefer analogue keys, amongst the examples given on was tactile feedback. You finally admitted that there’s a reasonable limit to how many keys you can put on a device before it becomes too big or too small. But by doing this you again contradicted an earlier comment that any device with a keyboard is rubbish to you. Your argument then takes another turn and you go on to compare the different keyboard layouts saying that qwerty keyboards and 20 key keypads are too different from 12 key keypads.

Well 20 key keypads are very popular in the USA and qwerty keypads are much faster to type on. Learning curve or not, the most missed feature from a touch screen only phone is tactile feedback. As such phones with some sort of keypad / keyboard will continue for the foreseeable future. I don’t need to say much more here apart from too big and too small are relative statements and not quantifiable. What maybe too big for you might be perfect for somebody else. What might be too small for you (Neonode N2) might be the perfect device for somebody else.

Finally, regarding my comment regarding Macgyver, I’m not questioning your technical ability. There was some banter between you and rorydaredkign which ended with rorydaredkign asking you to go and make him the ideal keyboard as he couldn’t buy one, to which you responded that you’d do that just to prove him wrong as that the kind of person you are. I’d like to share some words of wisdom with you. If you push down on a wooden post, it will eventually break in two however, if you push down on a freshly cut stick, it will simply bend. Think about it.

Your comment on making the keyboard just strikes me as a immature remark and not something I would expect from someone off to uni.

I would hope we can now lay this debate to rest as I’m sure the other members are by now sick of reading our arguments and counter arguments!