yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Amazfit] lfom:
Very good: now the "inverted mode" that's good for low light environment, works great! Thanks.

About the crash when "second hand always on" is enabled, I think you can test it: Settings -> General -> Watch face -> Second hand (please see attached screenshot).

I got this from logcat when it is enabled (the stock watchface with a working seconds hand is shown when the feature is enabled and screen is locked):

08-06 15:27:00.409 2914-2914/com.HNSoft.HNwatchface I/HNFit: start SLPT Service [ class com.HNSoft.HNwatchface.HNSlpt ] :
08-06 15:27:00.481 2914-3316/com.HNSoft.HNwatchface I/HNSlpt: lock service error!
08-06 15:27:00.612 2914-2914/com.HNSoft.HNwatchface W/System.err: java.io.FileNotFoundException: battery/battery0.png
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08-06 15:27:00.689 2914-2914/com.HNSoft.HNwatchface W/System.err: java.io.FileNotFoundException: weather/unknown.png

Not a big deal, since now it can be reverted by disabling the feature, changing to another wf and then back to HNFit. :good:
[Amazfit] darkvoid_66:
It's a nice idea, I'll put it on the to do list.

Made me think on a another feature, time based profiles...

I don't have that option on my rom version 2..8.4.0, maybe you have rom 2.6.60?!

The logcat did not provide me a clue of what is causing that bug for you...

But at least I fixed the "java.io.FileNotFoundException: battery/battery0.png" bug :)

I've starting working on the "change font" feature.

You posted a font a while back but I can't find it.... can you post again the link to the font?
[Amazfit] lfom:
Hmmm, weird... AFAIK the "second hand always on" is present in any 2.x firmware for either Pace or Stratos...

Don't forget to fix weather/unknown.png too. ;)

And the font: https://www.whatfontis.com/DS-Digital.font
[Amazfit] darkvoid_66:
You are right, I was not opening the Watch face menu, inside I found the "seconds hand" option.

I set it to on and I didn't found any bug.

Change to other watchface with seconds hands and back to HNfit and I did not get an error...
[Amazfit] GreatApo:
Criticism is welcome, however, yours seems a little offending to the developer. I can see your points but there is no need to do so. :)

Beauty is objective, some people like it some not. It is difficult to make something widely appealing, it needs skills most of the times not found in developers. Personally, I believe both GreatFit and HNFit are ugly compared to most of Szabadi's watcfaces. That doesn't mean we should drop our :P We try to focus on things we can do better, enrich settings, offer more features etc. :highfive:
[Amazfit] darkvoid_66:
I was not expecting that, but I understand and in this case I leave the development of watchfaces for who knows.

I'm sorry for anything...
[Amazfit] GreatApo:
I am just trying to be polite. When I say that "I see your points" it doesn't mean that I support them, that's why I break down one of them afterwards. All the other points about "being similar to GreatFit" have already been addressed in my previous post :o
[Amazfit] TumiBC:
Hey man, thanks for your watchface. Just a minor cosmetic bug. When "3 letters day" option is unchecked, full day name is not centered.
[Amazfit] darkvoid_66:
Sorry I've discontinued this project.

Moderation please close or delete this thread.
[Amazfit] SacredDeviL666:
Thread Closed at Op's request.

Thanks

SacredDeviL666.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] rakdoll:
Dear dissatisfied HTC Customer,

Before reading this, remember I am NOT encouraging you to boycott HTC. But I think most of you, who are going to do that, are really knowing what your reasons are.

As For me it really seems that we paid for something that HTC did not provide, I think we all have seen great dissatisfaction and complaints here on the forums, which some of us are unable not to agree with. Some people even culminate the dissatisfaction simply by ending the customer relation with HTC.

I figured it would be nice to see how badly did their Kaiser backfire, and the way they handled their customers with this. So please, if you feel that you have had enough and are going separate ways with HTC, use the below link to inform HTC about your decision. Also remember to tell them why you chose to do so. Remember to add that you are talking about Kaiser. And also remember to tell them that you most likely won’t be recommending HTC devices to anyone, and will probably do your best that no-one gets screwed like you did, if you feel like that. That should teach them a lesson!

Also after doing that report back on this thread! So we get to see how it affected their customer base in this forum and hopefully even more widely, a bigger picture. With some math we can speculate what was the damage for them. Hopefully this will help them also to see what they did, and see it would have been everybodys benefit if they did things right at the first place.

Below are the links to inform HTC about your decision. You probably best to aim the e-mail to their "customer service"!

European ex-customers:

http://www.htc.com/europe/CS_Mail.aspx

North American ex-customers:

http://www.htc.com/us/CS_Mail.aspx

Latin American ex-customers:

http://www.htc.com/la/CS_Mail.aspx

Asian ex-customers:

http://www.htc.com/tw/CS_Mail.aspx

Middle-East and African ex-customers:

http://www.htc.com/mea-en/CS_Mail.aspx

The reason why I find this really important is that, we really need to get the information on their face. That is where petition signing and things like that fail! I bet after receiving few thousand of this kind of e-mails the information will be passed to the persons concerned. That will not probably help us, but prevent them repeating what they did. Link to this thread would also be good on any other HTC/Kaiser related forum, so we get a collection of all dissatisfied ex-customers overall.

Sincerely Yours,

Henry

Ultimately dissatisfied HTC-EX-customer

ps.

you are still "allowed" to use your current HTC devices the best way you can imagine, since most of us paid a good price for it! For me that would be a paperweight or as a "viviparous lizard's tail". ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] rakdoll:
I just informed HTC-europe that I will never be their customer again! :cool: I WONT!

Edit.

Actually, what I did say was, I will boycott them until the justice has happened in this case. :) Too bad it seems that will never happen. But that will give them at least a little reason to do back the bad things they did to us. :) They would get me back!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] McHale:
Done.

I am in charge of mobile devices and syncing with Exchange for a 2500+ employee company. I had started migrating people to s620's but have since moved them to HP iPAQ Messengers until a non-HTC device comes out that fits our needs.

So, while I'm not buying any more, I'm making sure nobody at the company (even personal purchases) are HTC.

-Mc
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] rajmagi:
sent to http://www.htc.com/sea/CS_Mail.aspx

hope others will follow........
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dantegl36:
Sent message to the North American link.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] dampeal:
Boycott? Wow.. dunno but I'm very happy with my phone, ATT Tilt, it's an upgrade from my last smartphone/ppc (VOQ Professional Phone) which actually I still have and would still be using had the company not gone out of business, and well the phone doesn't have bluetooth, wifi or a camera either... if it did have those three things I've still be using it now really even if the company went under...

I don't get the Boycott though.. are people REALLY that unhappy with their phones? sure I see lots of complaints about things but I see that with EVERY phone on the market today, there IS NO perfect phone out there and never will be because someone will find something wrong no matter what...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] rakdoll:
Please do not go offtopic too much! I understand that there are A LOT of arguments why the Kaiser could be alright as a mobile device, but that is not the point here. The point is that any person has the right to boycott what ever company for any reason he/she finds worth it. I'm collecting that info here NOT DISCUSSING whether the device is worthy or not. Made up my mind already.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] chaps:
I admire the resolve of all that are willing to stand by thier principles. Personnaly, the choice of my next phone is limited to what my carrier has to offer as by buying from them, I get a large discount.

As my carrier is T-Mobile UK, that means my next upgrade will probably be a HTC device (maybe vario 4) for around 100gbp as opposed to a none HTC device from a store for around 400gbp.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] redbandana:
When I first signed up for this forum I thought it was for developers and people who knew a lot about ppc's. I soon learned that this forum contains more friggin whiners than a daycare. Everyday someone posts something regarding video drivers, hating htc, or just writing stupid ****. To the OP, I am not directing this towards you, but I don't think developers or people who joined this forum for learning purposes want to hear about emailing HTC with others decision to boycott.

Hmmm, maybe I should start a thread "Email HTC your reasons why you love their devices here!"

Get a clue and understand these threads are not needed but we appreciate your participation and do not take anything personal because its directed at many people.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] chookz:
Lol... I agree...I will never say never... If HTC launched a TyTN II killer I'd probably get it..If will never buy a Kaiser again though if it helps
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] greenbrd:
That's strange. Because when I visit http://xdaforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=376, I see that there are four sections: one for discussion about accessories, one for discussion about software, one for discussion about ROMs, and this one for general discussion.

I notice that the developers tend to hang out in the software and ROMs sections, and that this general discussion forum is for general discussion.

Do you not have access to all four sections?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] rakdoll:
Damn, don't know how to say this, remaining my relaxed tone.. but.. :p

Don't you honestly think that this is the single BIGGEST community online using our beloved kaiser devices. Hopefully this does not come out of the blue for you, but there is something frikkin' wrong with the device we have bought.

There was 2 reasons for you why this kind of a threads easily pop out in GENERAL forums like this. Some people still want to get something in exchange for their money, not just crap.

Boycotting is useful, and it's the most powerful tool that single user can do against a company, which screwed him up without doing anything illeagal. This is where this forum could be helpful, here we have the people together. And if we complain together, maybe one day something gets done. Compare this to the situation between damn yankies and north korea for example. "Let's not give them what they want until they do what we want." Expect no nukes for the korea. :) You get it?

I feel sad that most of the people just accept the **** that big companies throw at you. I don't, A LOT of people won't accept that. Also, I'm completely sorry that I distracted you from your development work. Made you open this thread and whine about me whining.

And remember, this is nothing personal, there are a lot of you wankers out there whose fav hobby is to complain to n000bs and anything that.. that happens to annoy them at the time being. Then comes the bigger whiner, who whines about the whiner who whines about the whiner and that one is whining to whiner by the way.

You get the point? That there is a difference whining to other users and whining to wrong doers, who steal you money and feed you mouthful of poopi.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] pinx:
My message ... Europe Customer.

Drivers for Kaiser? No?

Then thank You, I will find my next device somewhere else, where I will really get what I paid for.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] redbandana:
Well i certainly dont complain to n00bs unless there are threads similar to this. I should just ignore it for this point forward because we both have our opinions and neither is right nor wrong. Here is just a sample of what I do for n00bs:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=394543&highlight=stuck+bootloader

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=2228402&highlight=redbandana#post2228402

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=2228280&highlight=redbandana#post2228280

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=394657&page=2

and then some.

However, I do bash n00bs when there are posts bashing HTC. Sorry to offend you in anyway.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] nphil:
^^ I understand your frustration and i share similar sentiments with you. A similar thread was posted yesterday(you can find it on page 2) and the day before yesterday on the ROM dev. forum. It gets annoying after a while, thats all.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] rakdoll:
Alright, It seems really we just happen to have our personal opinions, which we are completely righteous. I must admit I totally see your initial point, how this forum is built over the dedication of people who simply love to learn new things. It is totally frustrating nowadays to see people just complaining, without doing a **** about the real issues. I hope I didn't do exactly that, by starting this thread. The real reason to that is just, I would love to scare the **** out of HTC, make them see that they will go down if they don't respect us the way they should.

I do recognize what you stand for, and I must say there must not be anything that I wouldn't share with you. The thing that started this, must be that I have always been a man who stands behind his words, at least most of the time, and I assume the same from others. That includes all the big companies, groups and individuals. It really makes me sad to see where this world is going just because the only thing that matters to people is money. Huge corporations, sucking all the money they can, that's the end of people trying to provide just themselves.. no.. they want all that they can get. In the end, the one who pays the costs is dudes like us.

I honestly also didn't mean to offend anyone, and if it seemed so, I truly apologize. So in the end of the day, it seems like we are alone, with our Kaisers, trying to get the best out of it. So let's just keep on tuning it, until we are happy. That seems to be the initial purpose of this whole place's existence.

really sorry for my funny use of english, you native speakers must be laughing your asses off. :D But me not native, me from land of the barb-backed fishes. :|
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ChumleyEX:
I'm sure this awesome online community only makes up about less then half (if even) of tilt/kaiser/etc owners. There are many people that own this phone because they need it and never go online to mod it. Out of that assumed half I would say a 10th read what is posted or understand a single thing about this phone. That leaves a large number of people who think their phone is "crap" because you tell them it is. Yes I would like to see the phone be faster but I don't think it's crap nor do I think HTC has screwed me over. I don't seem to remember any stats that they released in regards to video or any other performance. Do you? Where are their benchmarks they advertised that weren't acheived by our lovely devices? If you can show them to me then I, and all of my friends will sign your wish list, but until I see them I will just think that everyone is butt hurt over an assumed performance loss.

HTC in my opinion has done something about this. Is it good enough to truely unlock the power of the Kaiser? No, but was it something rather then nothing? Do any of you know the cost of the video driver per unit? No, then how can people claim they paid for something they didn't get. How do you know it wouldn't have been another $50 that would have been tagged on. From what was advertised I will say I got 100% of what this phone was supposed to do.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] rajmagi:
This is strange opinion ..

because: when I bought the phone, I was thinkin buying the BEST phone in the market. Multimedia experience with keyboard.... Check the price and compare it to other older models if you know what I mean!

If I know it sooner I'd rather choose MWG, or iULTIMATE.. FOR SURE

I don't really care about support after market

But this laggy thing gives me s*it..... the fact that THIS THING DOESN'T have this BEFORE MARKET and they are HIDING THIS FACT!!!!

No multimedia experience only headache if you used it almost every time WITH touch screen... if... u know what I mean... do you??? or u just using it for modem only????

...bump
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] denco7:
+1 Chumley I also go alot on the support forums for the iPhone, because my wife has an iPhone. If you were new to the iPhone you would think that it was the biggest piece of crap around. Thats all that is there is whining and complaining about how it doesn't work, Apple sold us a piece of crap . Here is a petition, let's put Apple out of business. As with all other forums a very vocal MINORITY of people who for whatever reason are having trouble with there phones.

Don't even get me started with the " Check the price, I thought I was getting the best " consumer strategy. I am just glad you don't buy my groceries.

I love my phone ,it does everything they told me it would do.It makes phone

calls, it schedules, MS Office is great, web access is great, I have push email, My gps works great etc... etc.....etc. Do I care that it doesn't have a Nikon D40 inside, do I care that I can't play WoW on it , do I care that I can't watch you tube all day at 3G on a battery charge? No ! This isn't what they promised me and this isn't what I bought my phone for.

Bottom line is, there are a million people out there that are perfectly satisfied with their HTC product. But we never hear from them. They are the silent majority. We here have to put up with thread after thread after thread because the vocal minority thinks we care that they bought a phone they don't like
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] gqstatus0685:
STOP *****ing about Video Drivers. Who care. The phone is fine. You are forgetting that it's a PHONE! Be glad they added alot of extra stuff you can't find in a majority of phones. I have never had a problem watching videos and movies on my phone. Seriously.. geez
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] :
Don't even mention the price either. Alot of people ***** and say for the price I paid how come they didnt include drivers. When the first phone came out it costed around 2000 dollars. I know it was in the thousand range don't quote me. What features did it have. ummm calling. You will always pay alot for technology that's just the way it is and how it will always be. You will never see the perfect HTC phone.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] rakdoll:
1. NO I WONT! :mad:

2. YOU CARE?? :p (guess why I know that?)

Why do you think you are in the position of telling people what to do? First 3 sentences sounds like an HTC fundamentalist speaking. 0 facts, all crap. just like HTC, your Employer. :p

Actually HTC TYTN II is not just a phone. It is a lot more. Maybe those who upgraded to this from TYTN I / Hermes, know how I feel. It is just unacceptable that the overall performance dropped so much, compared to the predecessor.

Here is a a little something that HTC says about this phone.

"More powerful than anything you’ve seen before, the HTC TyTN II takes communications to the next level.

Communicating while on the move is a breeze with the ergonomic tilting design that positions the screen perfectly for reading and creating emails. The full range of wireless connectivity ensures you can roam anywhere in the world and still enjoy a high-speed internet connection."

Try to surf the web with the Hermes, then with Kaiser.. That's the enjoying a high-speed internet connection part - NOT. And that all has to do only with the "power" of the device, not enough of that I guess. Hermes did much better. Maybe I would feel better if they didnt call the device TYTN II, as then I would not be supposing that it is meant to be an upgrade to TYTN..

And please, there is not reason to yell at people. This is a discussion forum. We are all basically on the same side. Some people just seem love to randomly attack anyone with even a slightly different opinions.

I love you guys. :) Imagine this phone without XDA devs?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] rakdoll:
I am going thru different devices, which could be replacement candidates for the Kaiser. Have you found anything interesting? I'll check those you mentioned also.. remember to mention here if you find anything cool. :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] jammy dodger:
?????

I have had no problems watching video's and films on my Kaiser.

Infact i can watch video and

make video calls too without a problem, the frame rate is brillliant so i dont think this is a problem with all htc handsets.

I got my handset from orange but i have hard spl'd it and updated to the htc rom for 6.1 and still have no problems for video's.

I dont understand why so many people are getting thhere panty's in a twist over it!