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[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] metalgear1987:
Hi guys!

I have read all the 24 pages of this thread but I have few questions for you.

I just bought a second hand XT1970-3 single sim from ama**n UK. I tried to update it but it is stuck with android 9 security patch May.

Software channel is "VFEU", searching on the web it seems to be linked to Vodafone. And I also guess this is reason why I don't receive any other update.

So my questions are:

1. I was thinking to flash a RETEU or RETAIL android 10 firmware, is it a problem do that from a VFEU phone?

2. if I flash my phone with the method at the beginning of this thread, will I be able to receive OTA updates or I have to flash my phone every time?

Thanks in advance for your help.
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] muppetz:
Flash one of those 2 , nothing could be wrong , both are for EU . Regarding second question I flashed many updates but last 2 updates (June & July) I received them by OTA . So nothing to worry ...
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] metalgear1987:
Hi Muppetz, I have just flashed Android 10 with the last update (July) and everything went well (I had flash the rom twice because the first time there was a image verification error problem).

The only thing I don't understand is why even if I have flashed a RETGB ( it seems the same as RETEU) firmware, software channel is still VFEU.

Just one question: if I will not receive OTA updates in the future, flashing the updates with this method will erase my app and data on the phone?

Many thanks for your help and your previous reply.
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] tys0n:
Yes, reteu and retgb use the same builds afaik, and it's also true that flashing firmware from different region / carrier won't change your update channel.

I'm not sure about recieving ota. I guess it depends on if that perticular region / carrier uses the same firmware version as the one you have installed. Updates are incremental and won't update if the expected build doesn't match.

And as answer for your question, no, you don't have to reset for updates.

I've been rooted for long so I can't take OTA, and I've never had problems updating without reset between builds.
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] muppetz:
Absolutely NOT . Any new firmware updates flashes won't erase a thing (apps & data) ! Like I said I received OTA despite several flashes before . Like you I'm different channel (RETEU) and I flashed RETAIL , RETEU and even RETBR . RETEU always remain . All these are for XT1970-3 . My phone is in an original state , no root , no TWRP , it is untouched .
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] tys0n:
I got the Reteu August update through OTA yesterday. Still waiting for fastboot files to be available.
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] gonzo1963:
Good afternoon,

You say that it has been updated via OTA.

Do you have the smartphone with the bootloader unlocked and rooted?

The firmware is on the Telegram channel.

Regards
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] tys0n:
Hi. Yes I got the ota notification, but it can't be installed with root so I had to do a few steps to be able to do it without losing anything since I have also disabled encryption.

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Added:

KANE_QSAS30.62-24-11_subsidy-DEFAULT_regulatory-XT1970-3-KSA-TH_CFC.xml.zip

KANE_QSAS30.62-24-11_subsidy-DEFAULT_regulatory-DEFAULT_CFC.xml.zip

KANE_QSAS30.62-24-11_subsidy-DEFAULT_regulatory-XT1970-1-AUSTRALIA_CFC.xml.zip

KANE_RETEU_QSAS30.62-33-3_subsidy-DEFAULT_regulatory-DEFAULT_CFC.xml.zip

KANE_AMX_QSAS30.62-28-7_subsidy-DEFAULT_regulatory-XT1970-2-CHINA_CFC.xml.zip
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] gonzo1963:
Good morning,

Can you tell me what version of firmware you had before this update?

It is to order my next updates.

I currently have installed: RETEU QSAS30.62-24-6

The next one will be: RETEU QSAS30.62-24-7

Thanks

Regards

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[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] tys0n:
I was on QSAS30.62-33-2 and got ota for QSAS30.62-33-3.

30.62-24-6, is that a few monthe behind? Just asking because the August security patch for euro is 30.62-24-11 or 30.62-33-2, depending on country/carrier I guess.

Not sure why they send out two different firmware versions in Europe.
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] gonzo1963:
Good Morning,

Sorry for the delay in reply, I forgot.

The firmware I currently have is "reteu QSAS30.62-24-6" which corresponds to 2020-04-01.

I am currently "skipping" an update by OTA: QSAS30.62-24-7, which is not updated because I have the phone unlocked and rooted.

I am going to flash this firmware (QSAS30.62-24-7), if you clarify some doubts that I have asked you in the thread: Twrp 3.3.1-0 & root [updated] kane/troika, and later I will see what new OTA appears.

Depending on the one that appears, I will flash updates one after another.

I'll be posting the OTA's that appear to me.

My country is Spain.

Regards
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] Azmath82:
Hello, I know I can't do it normally, therefore I am asking you. How can I downgrade a10 to good old Pie ?

My OV did not get updates on time, so I do it myself from lolinet. Sadly, it was a mistake. Chrome freezes, phone reboot longer, same for dialer. Basically everything is worse and I want to go back to Pie.

Can I do it myself without brick or something like that ? Currently in august security.

Thanks
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] muppetz:
Just received OTA , QSAS30.62-33-4 . RETEU channel . Security patches up to 01 September 2020 .
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] gonzo1963:
Good morning,

It seems that a new update is already appearing.

Can someone upload it?

Regards

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[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] muppetz:
Some days ago I received a new OTA update .

QSAS30.62-33-5 .

Security Patch 1st Octomber 2020 .

Phone: XT1970-3 , RETEU
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] muppetz:
I just received a new OTA update .

QSAS30.62-33-6 .

Security Patch 1st November 2020 .

Phone: XT1970-3 , RETEU
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] gonzo1963:
Good morning,

Any download links?

Regards

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[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] muppetz:
Nope . I said it was OTA
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] muppetz:
https://mirrors.lolinet.com/firmware/moto/kane/ was updated with latest firmware (Nov.2020)
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] MsRoyalMaster:
So... I saw on a website (Piunika Web if i recall) that Motorola one vision has begun with android 11 soak test, do you guys know anything about that?
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] muppetz:
Yes , this site is : https://piunikaweb.com/2021/02/01/motorola-android-11-update/ , and there are a lot of rumors out there ... The only news are about Motorola G Pro which had received Android 11 , first one in mid-range segment . Rest of them , who knows !?

Interesting is the Motorola Edge series don't take it yet ...
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] muppetz:
I just received a new OTA update .

QSAS30.62-33-9.

Security Patch 1st February 2021 .

Phone: XT1970-3 , RETEU

QSAS30.62-33-7 was for January 2021 .
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] Kbaa:
From a MX site, hellomoto.com.mx, it says the one vision wil get android 11 in the following months.

Link to site:

Actualización a Android 11 en los teléfonos Motorola - HelloMoto

Android™ 11 está optimizado con base en la opinión directa de cómo usan los usuarios sus smartphones, con nuevos y mejorados controles del dispositivo, formas más simples de administrar conversaciones, configuraciones de privacidad y mucho más. * ¿Qué es lo nuevo de Android™ 11 en...

hellomoto.com.mx
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] tin0o:
hello, when do you think the firmware version of android 11 will be released? ... and how would the installation process be?
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] Manan Bhutta:
My bootloader is unlocked and waiting android 11 file to upload... Any one has idea when they will upload official 11
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] piotriix:
stockrom.net_KANE_RSA31.Q1-48-36-11_subsidy-DEFAULT_regulatory-DEFAULT_CFC.xml.zip

drive.google.com

Flash Motoflash Pro
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] Manan Bhutta:
Is it android 11???
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] Manan Bhutta:
I have moto xt197-3 and my bootloader unlock therefore ot is not auto update to 11. My bootloader is not relocking again bcuz bootloader relock option is gray out... Any one have the rom file officially android 11 bcuz i didn't find any site yo be uploaded android 11... And also tell me after updating my bootloader will auto relock or not... If not tell me way yo relock it
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] piotriix:
Yes.
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] alphalog:
I

It is possible
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] Manan Bhutta:
Tell me flash in which bootloader can also auto relock... Cuz my bootloader is not relock cuz in developer mode there is bootloader already unlock and the option is Gray out... I cant this toggle now on off..
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] Manan Bhutta:
My bootloader is unlock and toggle is disable now i want to relock my bootloader.. android 10 is installed... If I upgrade it to android 11.. then can i bootloader relock after 11...plz help me
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] tys0n:
Take a look at this: https://xdaforums.com/t/unlock-relock-bootloader.3939044/page-2#post-85439585
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] Maheshwara:
I'm still stuck with Android 10 security patch July 2021 - the system hasn't offered another upgrade yet... Can I simply flash the most recent ROM from here via ADB without loosing my data:

lolinet mirrors - firmware, software, iso etc.

lolinet mirrors - powered by h5ai

mirrors.lolinet.com

Are these all full factory images?
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] daekdroom:
Yes, they are full images. Make sure your cellphone is a RETEU (which you linked) and that your installation script has all the files. After the A11 update a few files were added to the image.
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] Maheshwara:
Can I simply flash such an image via fastboot commands with bootloader locked and without loosing data?
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] rotorline:
I'm trying this on a G Pro. I've got the Assistant downloaded file and a A12 file in zip format that I want to install.

Could you give me a little more info on the files that need to be changed between the two firmwares?

TIA for any info!
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] gee2012:
Any improvements/changes to KANE_PSAS29.160-50-2? Can it be flashed to RET-EU? Does it have the November patch?
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] tys0n:
Yes, I got it flashed to my XT1970-3 reteu. No other improvements other then Nov security patch.
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] tys0n:
If anyone is rooted and want to update without loosing root or having to reset, this is what I tried with my update from 50-2 to 50-3, and it worked.

I started by extracting firmware on pc, patched the boot.img with magisk manager and transfered it back to pc.

Replaced the stock vbmeta.img with the vbmeta.img from twrp thread.

Flashed everything without wipe. The patched boot.img failed (too many links error).

At this point I felt like this isn't gonna work at all... I probably gonna have to reset.

I rebooted to bootloader after flash finished.

Then I again flashed the vbmeta.img from twrp thread just to be sure, and then booted twrp.

From there I flashed the patched boot, and after that the Disable_Dm-Verity_ForceEncrypt zip.

Booted back to system without problems. Updated, rooted, no reset!
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] Karanso:
Oh Yes, all works, thz :good::good::good::good::good:
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] tys0n:
Great. Thanks for confirming.

I guess the step to reboot to bootloader after flash isn't really necessary but since it was first time trying to update through fastboot without loosing root/data, I wasen't sure about anything.

Anyway, I'm happy it's working. It's a pain having to go through reset for every update.
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] luisjoseb:
I have a sony WF SP700N Bluetooth head seat and only play with SBC codec, now with this update uses AAC codec and now it's enabled audio hd
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] daekdroom:
My device is bootlooping. Apparently the unpatched vbimage isn't compatible with a system booted with the root patch, so the system fails to boot and offers me the option to data reset. I'm unable to get to bootloader to flash anything...

EDIT: I got to bootloader, yay
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] tys0n:
I'm not sure I understand what you we're trying to do. Did you go from rooted --> updated everything to stock, and then tried to boot?

I guess that won't work if you disabled encryption by flashing the disable zip from twrp at some point when you rooted it.

That's probably why you had to reset, to get the data encryptable again, with the stock boot and fstab.
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] cdfreak:
Yeah i expexted it also buth even the One program Motorola do not respect it's users. Next phone will be Nokia, never moto again, the don't care for there users...
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] tys0n:
It's still in testing. A guy in tg group had a new beta update as of today, with 1 Dec security patch.

I just hope they'll make the pill smaller before final :eek:
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] cdfreak:
Then let's hope that te update comes with the security patches for Dec. these come;s mostly half the month so around 15 Dec. We will see....
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] tys0n:
I've sent you a PM.
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] tys0n:
Added KANE_RETEU_PSA29.160-55-7_subsidy-DEFAULT_regulatory-DEFAULT_CFC.xml.zip

BUILD INFORMATION

SW Version: kane_reteu-user 9 PSA29.160-55-7 e159de release-keys

Build ID: PSA29.160-55-7

SW Display Build ID: PSA29.160-55-7

MBM Version: MBM-2.2-kane_retail-4b580da-191108

Modem Version: S337AP_KANE_SGCS_QB2585551

OTHER INFORMATION

Sudsidy Lock File: slcf_samsung_default_v1.0.atc

Regulatory Info (elabel): regulatory_info_default.png

Build Fingerprint: motorola/kane_reteu/kane_sprout:9/PSA29.160-55-7/e159de:user/release-keys

KANE_PSA29.160-55-7_subsidy-DEFAULT_regulatory-DEFAULT_CFC.xml.zip

BUILD INFORMATION

SW Version: kane-user 9 PSA29.160-55-7 e159de release-keys

Build ID: PSA29.160-55-7

SW Display Build ID: PSA29.160-55-7

MBM Version: MBM-2.2-kane_retail-4b580da-191108

Modem Version: S337AP_KANE_SGCS_QB2585551

OTHER INFORMATION

Sudsidy Lock File: slcf_samsung_default_v1.0.atc

Regulatory Info (elabel): regulatory_info_default.png

Build Fingerprint: motorola/kane/kane_sprout:9/PSA29.160-55-7/e159de:user/release-keys
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] gonzo1963:
Good Morning,

I have a couple of doubts.

1.- To update it, where do I have to copy the firmware? In the same directory as fastboot.exe?

2.- Do I have to decompress it, or do I leave it in zip format?

I'm sorry to ask these questions, but it's the first time I've done it like this on a smartphone.

Regards
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] tys0n:
Hi. No need to apologise for your questions.

Better be save than sorry, right.

You may have already found answers to your questions but I'll answer anyway.

Extract the firmware zip to same directory as your fastboot and execute everything from there.
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] Karanso:
New Rom available

KANE_9.0_PSAS29.160-55-7-1

2019-12-23
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] muppetz:
So as I !
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] gonzo1963:
Good morning,

Due to the problem I am having: https://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=81227081&postcount=10, it occurs to me to go back to an old firmware, to see if it is solved.

Can I flash older firmware than the one I currently have installed?

Can I have a problem?

Regards
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] tys0n:
Hi. I wouldn't recommend a downgrade on any "new" device cause of Google's rollback protection. There's a chance you'll loose your IMEI, and sometimes even hardbrick if it includes downgrading the bootloader.

Which firmware version are you on at the moment?

You want to relock to take latest ota?

In that case you could upgrade to latest through fastboot instead, and maybe be able to relock after upgrade if you still want it relocked.
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] gonzo1963:
Good afternoon,

Thanks for your answer.

Now everything is clearer

The last: PSA29.160-55-7

I tried, and I didn't work.

Now I'm "fighting" to get root.

Regards

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[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] Karanso:
Android 10 downloads

KANE_RETAIL_10_QSA30.62-24_subsidy-DEFAULT_regulatory-DEFAULT_CFC.xml.zip
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] gonzo1963:
Good evening,

In the link: https://mirrors.lolinet.com/firmware/moto/kane/ are not the firmwares of the model "KANE_PSA29", or I can't find them.

Instead in "KANE - XT1970 Firmwares": https://androidfilehost.com/?w=files&flid=296061 they are.

Another question:

What is the difference between "KANE_PSA29" and "KANE_RETEU_PSA29"?

Regards

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[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] tys0n:
I think that the "KANE_PSA29" firmwares that I've shared on AFH can be from various update channels, but the source that I got them from didn't specify from which it was..

Only difference I know is the build fingerprint.
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] badadam:
By flashing this with your tool the bootloader doesn´t have to be unlocked right?
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] gonzo1963:
Good morning,

So, does it matter to install one or the other?

Or, will there be a problem if I don't install the right one?

Regards

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[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] tys0n:
It's probably best to use the correct one from your update channel. Especially if your bootloader is still locked.
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] planta22:
can someone help me here

please

android 10
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] badadam:
I had the same problem trying to update from Android 9 to 10.

To fix it I swapped the Android 10 files with the latest Android 9 firmware (PSA29.160-55-7-1 in my case) and flashed via fastboot. It helped me.

Anyone know why Android 10 can´t get installed and this happens?

My version is XT1970-3 btw.
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] meddgab:
I got the same error with XT1970-1. Apparently some files in the rom that was uploaded are set as .img when they should be .bin (at least that's the difference I found when compared to the A9 rom).
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] tys0n:
You're absolutely right. Some files are in img now while they were bin in pie.

I didn't even notice this change [emoji14]

Those files must have failed to flash for me without me even notice, but even so, my vision works perfectly fine.

I guess I'll reflash those files when I get home later today.
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] gonzo1963:
Good evening,

How do I know which software version I should install in the future?

At this moment I have unlocked the bootloader.

My country is Spain.

I add a picture of the data of what I currently have, to help.

Regards

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[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] tys0n:
Check your software channel. I guess it's reteu if you're in spain.
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] Berdi86:
Hello. I have a Motorola One Vision RETEU version (on Android 9).

Is it possible to flash a RETAIL Firmware with android 10?
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] kwasiborek:
Sure. Just wait a week or two :)
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] Berdi86:
My question was, if it is possible to flask a RETAIL on a RETEU Device? I have this android 10 retail firmware file.
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] gee2012:
Why don`t you post a download link here?
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] Berdi86:
reply

i used a link from here
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] frastgr:
go to posts #1 and #43 and you will find out the answer.
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] gee2012:
Sorry, missed that :o
[Motorola One Vision Guides, News, & Discussion] luchitten:
can't unlock bootloader

Hey guys, hope you can help me!!!

I've got a moto one vision from a friend of mine, and when I try to do fastboot oem get_unlock_data i get this error:

(bootloader) Unlock data:

(bootloader) Unlock data unavailable

OKAY [ 0.077s]

finished. total time: 0.078s

and the cid is 0x00FF

the vars are these:

fastboot getvar all

(bootloader) version: 0.5

(bootloader) version-bootloader: MBM-2.2-kane_retail-d528eaf-191022

(bootloader) product: kane

(bootloader) board: kane

(bootloader) secure: yes

(bootloader) hwrev: PVT

(bootloader) radio: 1

(bootloader) storage-type: ufs

(bootloader) ufs: 128GB SAMSUNG KLUDG4U1EA-B0C1 FV=0800

(bootloader) ram: 4GB SAMSUNG LP4x DIE=16Gb M5=01 M6=06 M7=10 M8=12

(bootloader) cpu: Exynos9609

(bootloader) serialno: ZY32643C9R

(bootloader) cid: 0x00FF

(bootloader) channelid: 0x00

(bootloader) uid: 000003B42C6B96FA0000000000000000

(bootloader) securestate: locked

(bootloader) iswarrantyvoid: no

(bootloader) max-download-size: 535822336

(bootloader) reason: Reboot mode set to fastboot

(bootloader) imei: 352170100795090

(bootloader) meid:

(bootloader) date: 05-17-2019

(bootloader) sku: XT1970-1

(bootloader) carrier_sku: XT1970-1

(bootloader) battid: SB18C43602

(bootloader) iccid:

(bootloader) cust_md5:

(bootloader) max-sparse-size: 268435456

(bootloader) current-time: "Mon Jan 16 12:16: 4 UTC 2000"

(bootloader) ro.build.fingerprint[0]: motorola/kane/kane_sprout:9/PSAS29

(bootloader) ro.build.fingerprint[1]: .160-50-3/b15dd:user/release-keys

(bootloader) poweroffalarm: 0

(bootloader) ro.build.version.full[0]: Blur_Version.29.261.3.kane.retail

(bootloader) ro.build.version.full[1]: .en.US

(bootloader) ro.build.version.samsung: 20190621

(bootloader) version-baseband: S337AP_KANE_SGCS_QB2398111

(bootloader) kernel.version[0]: Linux version 4.14.56-g9935975 (hudsoncm

(bootloader) kernel.version[1]: [MENTION=387459]ilc[/MENTION]lbld152) (Android (4691093 based on

(bootloader) kernel.version[2]: r316199) clang version 6.0.2 (ht tps://an

(bootloader) kernel.version[3]: droid.googlesource.com/toolchain/clang 1

(bootloader) kernel.version[4]: 83abd29fc496f55536e7d904e0abae47888fc7f)

(bootloader) kernel.version[5]: (htt ps://android.googlesource.com/toolc

(bootloader) kernel.version[6]: hain/llvm 34361f192e41ed6e4e8f9aca80a4ea

(bootloader) kernel.version[7]: 7e9856f327) (based on LLVM 6.0.2svn)) #1

(bootloader) kernel.version[8]: SMP PREEMPT Tue Oct 22 10:05:32 CDT 201

(bootloader) kernel.version[9]: 9

(bootloader) bootloader.git: MBM-2.2-kane_retail-d528eaf-191022

(bootloader) frp-state: no protection (err)

(bootloader) ro.carrier: retla

(bootloader) current-slot: a

(bootloader) running-boot-lun: 0

(bootloader) running-slot: _a

(bootloader) slot-suffixes: _a,_b

(bootloader) slot-count: 2

(bootloader) slot-successful:_a: No

(bootloader) slot-successful:_b: No

(bootloader) slot-bootable:_a: No

(bootloader) slot-bootable:_b: Yes

(bootloader) slot-retry-count:_a: 0

(bootloader) slot-retry-count:_b: 0

all: listed above

finished. total time: 0.613s

Any idea how could I solve this? Thanks!