yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] TheDannemand:
The update notes in the screenshot posted by [MENTION=8709190]trouble.[/MENTION] include the following:

If you run the update, the security policy will be strengthened and you will not be able to downgrade to the previous version of the software.

It really sucks for me, as I am about to send in my H932 for repair of a bad touch screen. It has taken over a month of negotiations to get them to accept it under the 2nd year warranty, and all that time I knew the clock was ticking. I could have just send it in for a paid repair, but then I might as well have bought a V30 on eBay for the same money.
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] tech_infinity:
Oooh damn. Yes :crying:

ARB will make stuff a lot more complicated and result in more bricked devices :crying::(
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] TheDannemand:
Yeah, it sucks. I always expected Pie would be ARB1, and I almost could't believe it when I saw the first one being ARB0. I've been watching every day since for news of the first US variant Pie to see if it was the same. And now we know.
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] tech_infinity:
Seems like the previous update said the same ?

So no need to worry till we have specific confirmation of ARB:cowboy:
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] TheDannemand:
Wow, really. That's excellent news, thank you :)

But strange: So they keep intending to ARB it, but don't actually do it. Maybe because they know there are still so many bugs, users need a way to go back.

Thanks again. :highfive:
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] ChazzMatt:
If ARB is incremented, the problem is clueless people who get a "new" phone, IMMEDIATELY UPDATE it, then come to XDA asking how to root it.

I saw that so many times with different phones. Whereas, if they had just stayed on the previous firmware it would have been easy.

Then they get mad at you for telling them the bad news.

Even now people (new owners) are coming here asking how they can they root on Pie? My question is why are they on Pie and suddenly asking? Their phone wasn't on Pie when they got the phone...

STOP updating firmware until you know exactly what's needed to root your phone!

Sent via open market LG US998 V30/V30+
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] TheDannemand:
I agree. And that's why I think caution is prudent here. Most people don't don't pay attention to ARB and don't realize it's a hard wall once you cross it (fuses blown): Not something we can just work around with a little software tweak.
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] TheDannemand:
According to the LG BBS page linked below, the filename of the new Korean Pie update is V300S30f_00_0816.kdz, which would indeed indicate ARB0. Meaning we dodged a bullet. Again :)

http://www.lgbbs.com.cn/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=5060&highlight=V300
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] Imam mustofa:
Guys do u have any idea about ram management? Need help
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] Imam mustofa:
Fixed,thanks
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] mateus.sc:
No, it will do nothing warranty wise.

Saw today on http://www.lgbbs.com/plugin.php?id=lg_ota&search=H930 these listed builds:

LGH930AT-V30i-EUR-XX-AUG-22-2019 + 0

LGH930DSAT-V30j-HKG-XX-AUG-22-2019 + 0

LGH930DSAT-V30b-AUS-XX-AUG-22-2019 + 0

GH930GAT-V30b-TUR-XX-AUG-22-2019 + 0

Folowing the LGMV300KAT-V30f-KT-KR-AUG-16-2019-256G + 0 pattern we should see it released by next week or so
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] trouble.:
I hope they release as soon as possible and improve the UX too
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] mateus.sc:
In latest case these OTAs should be released in the first week of september, and the kdz's some days after.

Right now I'm on Oreo 22p build with May 5, 2019 patch. Will update only to one of these more stable Pie versions, then I will try porting LG G8 systemUI with blur effects :P hehe Its the only thing I miss for this becoming the best update ever, not counting system and ram optimizations
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] HueyT:
https://www.the custom droid.com/install-lg-v30-android-pie-update/

(Remove the blank spaces)

Pretty good info for noobs
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] trouble.:
Yeah! That blur effect is very good. Also try porting G8's camera app too
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] rudhravaram:
How to port lg g8 ui
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] trouble.:
I don't know! Ask the Devs
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] mateus.sc:
I will try messing with systemUI, but cam port is too advanced for me :silly:
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] nlse:
Does anyone know how to get HIM all the time like with whiskeyomegas mod and anxious, on pie with EU LG V30?
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] trouble.:
None of the mods work anymore. They were only compatible with Oreo. Wait for the devs to update their mods to pie
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] Azhar05:
U can get using magisk module Ainur narsil
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] niirb:
Could anyone point me in the direction where I could download the stock nougat firmware for a h930? Would this be a safe one: https://www.getdroidtips.com/lg-v30-stock-firmware/ ?
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] HalArcane:
Guys I've been running this stock rom for around a month or so. Everything seems fine but...

Do anyone have problem with RAM management? It uses in average 3.8,and if I open a music app like Spotify or YouTube and leave it in the background the OS kills it.

Do anyone know how to fix this?
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] HueyT:
Custom kernel by darkdiz for stock pie and op5-akt zip

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Very safe as it redirect u to lg firmwares which has been around for years and provided lg stock ROMs for many
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] HalArcane:
Thank you for the fast reply, I've flashed kernels before on havoc os but I still suck a this.

Where could I get those flash able zips? Do I just flash them using twrp and that's it? (twrp, flash, clear cache an dalvik, reboot). Or do I have to do something else like wipe or factory reset?

Thanks guys
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] HueyT:
https://xdaforums.com/lg-v30/development/kernel-stock-pie-t3954653

https://xdaforums.com/oneplus-5/how-to/akt-advanced-kernel-tweaks-v1-0-op5-t3688259/amp/
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] ChazzMatt:
If you don't like Pie, see post #2 of this thread for how to downgrade back to most recent Oreo firmware.

This below was ONE change log to Oreo in late 2018. One. There have been many others. ;)

In fact the only reason to use early Oreo is just temporarily to unlock bootloader.

Thus, I don't understand why anyone would want any pre-January 2019 firmware, especially Nougat?
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] tech_infinity:
Someone posted this on Telegram group. Leaked h930AT V30q .up file (Don't flash on EU may be AT &T firmware)

[MENTION=3250376]ChazzMatt[/MENTION] any idea about h930AT, what variant is that, is it AT&T

Edit: Removed link as someone may do random stuff and mess up their phone.
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] ChazzMatt:
Unless they meant H931AT? That would make more sense... It would probably be AT&T H931.
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] tech_infinity:
yeah that's what I was thinking. The name H930AT is so weird

Probably best not mess with the file.
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] switchgott:
Hi,

does someone know where the interactive settings are set?

In which file?

I meen the minila speed from 30000.

Pie Stock is 806400, which is too much.

Any idea?

Found it :)

Thanks
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] mateus.sc:
The latest EU H930 V30q PIE BUILD by LG, with build date SEP-02-2019 is leaked then. But in a OTA format like the betas.

LG-H930 LGH930AT-V30q-EUR-XX-SEP-02-2019, you can see it here http://www.lgbbs.com/plugin.php?id=lg_ota&search=h930, they are in internal testing phase with this since compiling.

It should have korean variant RAM fixes and maybe the september security patch.

I have a H930DS so H930 otas dont work with my variant, even if I flash EU kdz. Can only use this through kdz or TWRP backup restore.

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They put AT in the end of every model, god knows why
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] HalArcane:
How did you fixed it?
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] Adooda:
anyway I can download this up file from lgbbs?

they ask for account

thanks
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] Sid@developer:
Did any one notice.... There is no Capture+ after Pie update... I miss it badly as I cannot take scrolling screenshots natively anymore:crying:
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] Edvin73:
Not really.
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] Sid@developer:
Thanks for the screenshot....

I just checked some settings in Quickmemo app...Now got it?
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] mateus.sc:
Here man

https://xdaforums.com/lg-v30/how-to/h930-pie-build-v30q-sep-1-2019-security-t3966164
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] MicroMod777:
Anybody Frankenstein this on a Sprint LS998?
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] ChazzMatt:
Frankenstein is only for North America variants.

There is a guide to PARTIALLY convert non-H930 to H930 firmware using Dev Patched LGUP Partition DL mode, but you have to omit certain files. It's not genuine Frankenstein, which completely converts one variant to another -- including radios.

Every time you update the H930 firmware you would have to omit those files. You would also be in danger if an H930 OTA tried to install...

I don't endorse it, but you can find it in the Guides section if you look.
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] YoungAll:
I can confirm that crossflashing to H930 is dangerous as you would stuck on that firmware, once you try to downgrade to oreo, it will random reboot after 3 - 5 minutes (even when downgrading to nougat or any oreo firmware it still happens) that means you have to go back using H930 pie in order your phone to work.

And downgrading by excluding modem partition is a HELL. Nothing can save but octopus box...

I will never do crossflashing anymore
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] gene.pavlovsky:
I just got an H930DS, unlocked the bootloader per the instructions in the relevant thread on xda, then flashed this ROM via TWRP.

At a first glance it seems to be working for me :)

I have a couple of questions.

I have installed the "Disable_Dm-Verity_ForceEncrypt" zip when I followed the bootloader unlock / TWRP installation instructions.

Is it necessary to ever do it again, such as after flashing ROMs like this one via TWRP? I am guessing maybe if I flash a ROM in kdz format, I will lose TWRP and have to reinstall it, then I'd have to do the dm-verity zip again, is that correct?

Another question is - if newer versions of stock PIE firmware come out in the future, can they be dirty flashed on top of this one?

Thanks for the good work :)
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] ChazzMatt:
All the installation notes just below the TWRP flashable zip download link answer most of your questions.

Hopefully you flashed the RCTD remover after flashing the TWRP-FLASHABLE zip?
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] gene.pavlovsky:
I exactly followed the instructions below the "TWRP-FLASHABLE NOTES:" in the first post, including the RCTD remover.

Those notes didn't mention flashing the dm-verity zip, so I didn't flash it. Should I have done it?

The reason for my confusion is that I see the said zip attached to the first post, however it is not mentioned in the instructions.

Regarding my second question (dirty flashing)... the instructions do recommend a factory reset so that kinda suggests an answer "no dirty flashing!", is that right?
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] ChazzMatt:
Good you read and followed the instructions. Thank you!

The encryption disabler is not needed with the TWRP flashable zip, but is attached for scenarios where needed with the full image KDZ.

For the dirty flashing the TWRP flashable zip, people do it -- but the dev doesn't recommend it. If you have problems after dirty flashing, don't complain. ;)

His concern is Pie is different than Oreo, where we dirty flashed the TWRP flashable zips all the time. It's up to you.
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] mcarden2006:
I have a weird situation with my LG US998 unlocked. I installed this rom and booted up perfectly after doing a full wipe. Being in the USA I guess is the reason why I lost modem. I tried flashing another pie rom and stayed on the roms boot screen. I flashed android 7, upgraded to android 8 using LGUP. Now I can't install any custom roms with the latest twrp decrypt off. Any ideas how to fix this scenario?
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] ChazzMatt:
Sorry, you're on your own for not reading. Never cross flash any North America variants with H930 variants. It's stated many places, many time, like WTF INSTRUCTIONS. See screenshot of this thread post #1 which you ignored.

Also stated in post #1 of this thread is RED LETTER WARNING not to upgrade to stock Pie yet if you want to run Linage-based custom ROMs.

Can't do anything more than warn people. You insist upon doing it, it's on you.
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] mcarden2006:
I was successful installing h930 roms many times and my phone got converted to global so I was thinking it was going to work. LG phones are so difficult to work with unlike HTC being the easiest. Thank you though for your input.
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] ChazzMatt:
What you must have flashed many times before were not "H930" ROMs exactly, but Lineage-based custom ROMs. Why they are called "H930" is somewhat silly reason I won't go into here. They are V30 Lineage-based custom ROMs. Whereas THIS is specifically H930 stock firmware and warnings were posted about compatibility.

Also, now that you have flashed stock Pie firmware (for any variant) you are going to have issues with the V30 Lineage-based custom Pie ROMs -- until the Lineage dev gets the new Pie blobs to work right. (Right now V30 Lineage ROMs are using Oreo blobs). Which was why we also posted that warning post #1 about not updating to stock Pie (yet) if you wish to run the Linage-based custom ROMs.

You have not hard bricked your phone, so that's good at least.
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] HTC_HD2 Leo:
I'm on Australian version pie v30a (h930ds) .. when I try to switch to EU v30b version by LGUP it give me this !!!

What's wrong ?
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] tech_infinity:
Use lgup on the 1st post from this thread
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] HTC_HD2 Leo:
See the picture !!!

I think and I don't know .. Maybe there's special dll files for pie version for V30 !!!
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] ChazzMatt:
We see the picture. That doesn't tell us which LGUP you're using.

The one from post #1 of this thread has the correct .dll. If you installed any others, uninstall them and reinstall the one from post #1.
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] HTC_HD2 Leo:
I did what you just tell me </3
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] ChazzMatt:
I can tell you didn't. Because you don't have the Dev Patched options in your picture.

You didn't follow the installation instructions.
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] HTC_HD2 Leo:
I fixed .. download this file DLL file: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kmuvucQ1ly-UCZypADz2KRXBW40IdIV6/view ... and replace it with the one in common file
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] ChazzMatt:
You would not have had to do that if you'd followed the installation instructions.

Dev Patches LGUP in post #1 has the correct dll. It works for everybody else flashing this, but not you? I don't think so. ;)

You just didn't activate the right mode mentioned in the installation instructions (see screenshot).
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] HTC_HD2 Leo:
sure I did something wrong but I don't know what is it .. because I followed every word in ur instruction :)

thanks for ur help <3

And I found the EU version doesn't support 4G+ data !! is there anyway to fix this ?
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] ChazzMatt:
That's the exact same version dll in the the Dev Patched LGUP in post #1. I just checked it.

I seriously believe you didn't install the app correctly and/or did not choose the Devloper bat option like the instructions say... If you just install without doing that, you will have "normal" LGUP, not Dev Patched LGUP -- which is what your screenshot showed. You can't crossflash with regular LGUP.
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] ChazzMatt:
Of course it supports 4G + data. This is the official EU H930 Pie KDZ as well as XDA dev created TWRP-flashable zip based on EU H930 KDZ.

You may need to add or edit your APN. What region is your H930DS from? I see for awhile you were running the Australian H930DS firmware, but you have different region?
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] HTC_HD2 Leo:
Actually I live in Saudi Arabia .. And I get bored from Oreo then I installed the Australian version :)

When I was in Australian version the 4G+ work so great .
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] trouble.:
[MENTION=3250376]ChazzMatt[/MENTION] hey if i update from oreo to pie with lgup, will i lost my data?
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] ChazzMatt:
You will not lose data if you are full stock Oreo and use Upgrade mode.

But you can't do it with TWRP custom recovery installed. With TWRP installed, to use LGUP you have to use Partition DL (all Partitions) mode or Refurbish mode. You will lose data.

If you have TWRP custom recovery installed, you should use the TWRP flashable zip to update to Pie.
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] trouble.:
I have to v30s both are h930. One is rooted which i'm using right now and the other is full stock. So my data won't lost if i upgrade from lgup right? And i will still get OTA updates?
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] trouble.:
So this happened when i tried to upgrade from oreo to pie. Can somebody tell me what is this?
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] ChazzMatt:
You are not using the Dev Patched LGUP from this thread.

In your screenshot I don't see any Dev Patched options. Please read the instructions on how to install Dev Patched LGUP. Please UNINSTALL any previous versions.
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] trouble.:
Thanks man! U r incredible!
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] DomusX10:
Hi,

I've a notice of upgrade via LG Bridge of my LG v30 (Italy) version H930C, but when I use LG Bridge for upgrade phone, reached 5% of "installing update" and after a reboot (display on phone the FIRMWARE UPDATE SCREEN) reboot phone and LG Bridge says: "Error 0x5a32" (see attachment)

My phone is TIM branded, but I've flash this thread EU_OPEN_MARKET version B, so I suppose that's this error due to NO BRAND firmware installed on a branded phone?

Someone can help me? I want to remain "unbranded", but where is EU_OPEN_MARKET version C? How can I update? :confused:
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] ChazzMatt:
In LG Bridge, when the KDZ is (temporarily) downloading there are ways to capture both the KDZ permanently as well as sniff the download URL which connects straight to LG servers. Google for the information. With full image KDZ you can flash via Dev Patched LGUP.

Nothing past EU H93O 30b has been publicly released yet. EU H930 30q beta is being tested. When there's a newer full image KDZ available, it will be posted in post #1 of this thread.
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] HalArcane:
Hey guys I've been on this rom for a while now, works fine overall but it has some ram management problems, I've heard that LG actually pulled out the first pie update and then uploaded an upgraded version of pie with the ram management problems fixed.

Is there a way to update to that version, like a flash able new zip? Or is there a way to fix the ram management problems?

I'm on H930. I have root and TWRP.

Thanks guys?
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] ChazzMatt:
EU H930 30q beta is being tested, which fixes the RAM management issue. There are copies floating around in other threads. When it's officially released with full image KDZ, it'll be posted here along with TWRP-flashable zip.
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] dave_id:
Hello,

Did someone actually dirty flashed it from the latest oreo and succeeded?

(don't want to format everything)
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] ChazzMatt:
Your answer is in post #1, in the TWRP flashable zip notes.
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] dave_id:
thanks! I read it but wanted to know if more people did the same and succeed.
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] seadersn:
so, there's an update for pie coming? k, system is actualized and prepared now, and the freezes and reboots should be gone now too (they were pbo related, what's stable in windoze isn't in ubuntu as it looks... -.- this costed me some nerves, really^^...).

pls, just remind me when it arrives :) i'm not in here that often as i was half a year ago :(
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] CunhaPT:
Hi, everyone! Any prediction for new update for H930?
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] trouble.:
H93030q is just around the corner. There is a beta leak available in ota file. U can upgrade using lgup
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] seadersn:
kdz already available?
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] tech_infinity:
Nah. Not yet. Only .up file got leaked a while back. It added back zram and resolved notification overlap bug amongst other things.
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] padmanek:
Someone got 30q through LG Bridge today, we should have .kdz soon https://www.reddit.com/r/lgv30/comments/dbwf0b/h930_30q_finally_for_europe_cze_exactly/
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] Krekos/CZ/:
If someone need it.

H93030q_00_OPEN_EU_OP_0902.kdz

https://mega.nz/#!klpwQIbS!1Hjb0G_0dcuvGXUpixh4oSjl82Iquq6IfcTedZQGM3I
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] Dizzyrul3z:
Thanks m8!
[MENTION=3138121]seadersn[/MENTION] can you check on that ;)
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] trouble.:
KdZ now available. Waiting for a flashable zip file:laugh:
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] ChazzMatt:
Post #1 updated with this Mega link. Thank you!

More mirrors to come.
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] CunhaPT:
I must say and hope a lot too that [MENTION=3250376]ChazzMatt[/MENTION] deserves a big praise for all the help that he always give to us! Greetings from Portugal.?
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] Wossner:
Hi, just done update via OTA.

Here a gdrive mirror for H93030q_00_OPEN_EU_OP_0902.kdz:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1npU2s7bOne44EmK1XOAMB1pq7RRe7cjD
[LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Developm] ChazzMatt:
Thanks! Just added it to post #1. I'm out of XDA thanks for now, will come back and hit Thanks later.