yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] someone1234:
I was talking on a hardware level. Typically you have multiple flash chips with a select line that enables the chip.

You then stack up these chips, connecting all the data/address lines together, and one select line to an IO line to the main cpu. The cpu then selects the chip it wants to read from by setting that line, and then uses the data/address lines to latch the address to read/write and get/set the data through the address line.

Typically you get 1 flash chip in 1 physical package with ONE select line, and data/address/power/ground lines. eg 2G capacity

Manufacturers can then physically stack this to become 2 x 2G by soldering all the wires together except the select lines. they then run the select lines to two seperate IOs on the cpu. The CPU then uses the select line along with the common data/address lines to write to either chip.

You can stack as many of these chips as you want on top of each other as long as there are enough select lines run to the CPU.

Making big flash chips is more dificult because they have to layer on top of each other. Also market demand means they have to decide before hand how many 2G, 4G and 8G to make. Because of that flash chip manufacturers make alot of 2G dies, and then physically stack them inside one silicon package for you. They can then decide at the last minute what proportions of capacity they need.

These stacked chips are exactly the same as if you stacked them yourself, but physically thinner.

Because of this, the 8GB chips you often see are physically stacked 2G or 4G flash chips in one silicon package.

Take the iphone for example, if you open one up you may find one 8G flash chip (2 x 4G stacked in one package by samsung) or you may find 2 x 4G chips soldered on top of each other!

The pinout of a flash chip defines positions for multiple select lines, but of course on an unstacked chip the extra pins are N/C. By soldering another similar chip on top, and rerouting its first select line to the pad that coresponds to the second selec line on the PCB u efectivly double the capacity.

Obviously this all depends on if they bothered to run the extra select pads to the CPU or not. More than likely they would because it leaves the option open to increase capacity later, and it doesnt cost them anything to route those lines, but you never know if they have or not.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] rorydaredkign:
the athena "swap the microdirve for a ssd" project never seemed to work, but on the other hand, the universal has had a ram upgrade, so who knows if its possible. but if flash works, why not stream any video you want from the web, and keep all the other stuff on the phone?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] walshieau:
Yes i know about stacking, but as you stated it all depends on the data/address lines...

But who is willing to rip their's apart?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] someone1234:
The main thing is music... but i might just stream internet radio instead.. i wonder if launchcast would work :p

Anyway if it annoys me enough i'm going to try it. JIC anyone else is thinking to you need to remove the initial chip and read out its ID and clone it onto the second otherwise they phone will probably not like it.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] rorydaredkign:
we dont even have them yet, and we want to take them apart and "fix them" maybe, as well as a software project, a hardware one, working on this specifically. if people want it dont, get donations for a device so they dont have to f*** up their own one trying stuff out..
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Dark Fire:
This hardware and software fiddling would be a good project for uni - it would be fun, complex, and it would hopefully finish with a nice present for yourself...
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] someone1234:
i'm an embedded engineer by trade so its not that far a leap for me :)

The only thing that anoys me is that no matter what it is, once u open it its never quite the same - possibly all sub concious tho.

I'm buying one offline, and i'll get another when its out on t-mobile.. i'm due for upgrade but i'll just wait.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] rorydaredkign:
ah, im gona be an engineer in about 5 years lol.

ah well at least we have somebody who knows what theyre talking about here. and if you do succeed, im sure there will be a queue of people wanting you to do their devices for them lol

and my tytn actually got way way worse.

i cant remember the original problem, but after taking it apart and rebuilding it, i got the white scren of death, broken speaker, broken camera sometimes, broken front buttons and broken vibration. all of this was sometimes.

and ive been taking things apart since i was about 4 and im now 17.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Dark Fire:
Yeah, I get that subconscious stuff too. Also, I never like installing programs that I know I'm going to immediately uninstall, because they always leave traces that slow down things...

I'll be an engineer in 3 years. :P

And it is good to have people who actually know stuff here. There are a lot of random people around...
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] someone1234:
Yeah i'm the same.. i usually download whatever i can find before the device arives.. install the lot on day one.. note down whats good... restore back to factory and do a clean install.

I'm a bit OCD sometimes, so it can take a while!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] rorydaredkign:
im so lazy its unbelievable. i dont put in my serials until the programs stop working and make me put them in...

by the way does anyone know if it has usb host? through something like the athena's attachment?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Dark Fire:
Haha...I have reason in my madness though - I once blew up a computer by having too much running at the same time...

Oh, and I think it was just after I opened it up for the first time (to inspect the DVD drive which I was intending to upgrade to something that could write DVDs).
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Dark Fire:
OK...That post seems to have posted itself twice. :S
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] someone1234:
wow thats rare.. did u disconnect a fan or something?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Dark Fire:
Nah, I think the RAM might have been messed up by dust from the fans, because it melted itself onto the motherboard.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] rorydaredkign:
loool ive seen this pc i think

and congrats mark on now being a member, your post count has gone up 4-fold at least in the last few days
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Dark Fire:
Yeah, that PC is famous. It was featured in a trailer for the Catrix. It's still around here somewhere...

I had a lot of fun with it though, once I accepted that it was not worth fixing. All of the components still work. :)

And thank you Rory.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] imranbashir_uk:
@ someone1234,

Your totally right about this, I myself have stacked flash devices on top of each other and hand soldered them! - this was 7 odd years ago while I was designing a custom mobile terminal that was going to be running CE 2.0!

I also agree all HTC needed to do was bring out a spare CS line and not fit a 0R resistor. Its good practice to bring these out, along with some spare test pads for debug, but that would be dependent on routing constraints. I fear that might of went for a BGA devices to save space, if that the case no stacking, but possibly replace the device for a larger one that is pin compatible.

However that would have to be done at a proper hot air re-work station, not something you’d find at uni.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] someone1234:
Its possible they went for BGA, but tssop are alot more common. With flash shortages it would be a brave choice. I think its the same reason iphone doesnt use BGA.

I have the equipment to remove and solder BGA, but even still its very risky with the desnity of parts on the PCB.

I can't imagine they're using a single flash 4G chip. Its most likely a 2 x 2G in one physical package. So that would allow you to replace it with a 2x4G if the addressing is sufficient.

I would be seriously suprised tho if all 4 select lines are not there. The routing restraints would be quite limited because all four select lines are adjacent to each other. So if they were all run parallel you are talking just over a mm additional routing space, plus possibly upto 1mm more if all 4 vias had to be parallel too.

Anyway we'll see! here's hoping :)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] imranbashir_uk:
Totally agree it would be 2x2G at the moment to allow for expansion. As for routing, you got to remember they are using a standard chipset so there are far more features then they will ever use, as such the IC is larger than if it was a custom ASIC so it’s going to be quite dense, issues with crosstalk and impedance requirements would dictate track gap and width separation. To breakout of the BGA they would have used microvias so it would not add any additional distance.

The iPhone is a far larger device so they could get away with TSSOP, but the Diamond will be tight in there hence the reason for different variants as they were not able to fit all the antennas in one device.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] someone1234:
true.. it depends on so many little things that its hard to say one way or the other without looking inside it.

The iphone is actually quite tightly packed too, you can see the samsung flash chip in the first picture.

http://i.cmpnet.com/techonline/uth/iPhone1_High.jpg

http://i.cmpnet.com/techonline/uth/iPhone2_High.jpg

The main reason the iphone is alot bigger is the battery and the larger screen.

With regards to antenna's i don't think the reason is lack of space as such, but enough seperation between antenna's to keep them usefull. What i mean is there probably is enough physical space to put in all the antena's but not far enough apart so that they dont interfere with each other.

The iphone doesnt use an 'ASIC' either (like the more mature phone manufactuers - nokia, SE), as you can see in the pictures they are all discrete parts from well known manufactueres. In reality the integration of off the shelf basebands is fast aproaching the levels of 'ASIC's that manufactueres like nokia have. This is mostly due to the more stable nature of the 3G standards.

* i say 'ASIC' because a baseband by infineon is actually an ASIC, but i'm sure you are talking about an ASIC specific to apple, HTC, nokia etc i.e. not usable by another phone manufacturer.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] GPSSlovakia:
Does it have SD/microSD card slot or not ???

I have bought iGO8 on microSD card, so HOW will I use it in HTC Touch Diamond ???
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] rorydaredkign:
no microsd, but best way would be to show hidden files on the pc, copy it all somewhere, then copy it to your 4gb on the diamond.

Rory
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] imranbashir_uk:
Thank god (or HTC?!) that you dont have to go through ActiveSync to copy files on to the internal 4GB, it gives you the choice of being shown as a removable flash drive once plugged into your pc
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] kapster:
Well thats good news. activesync is quite slow to do those big transfers.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] too kool:
it don't have a memory card slot, because is has 4GB onboard NAND memory. :p
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Cyrus Kourosh:
That's not possible (at least from official version).

Garmin and IGO softwares are SD card dependent.

They wont install on your PDA from another place than launching the installation file from the original SD.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] walshieau:
the 4GB comes up as an SD card on the device
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] imranbashir_uk:
I think he might mean that the SD card has copy protection built into (encryption maybe?) so you can’t copy it. Or that it might have a file in a hidden partition that it looks for before it will run, so cannot be run without the original card.

Not sure as his comment was a bit ambiguous.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Brendo:
sucks that it has no flash (for camera) either :(
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] walshieau:
no what he meant is that there is a 2477 (from memory thats the autorun folder) folder that on insertion the OS picks up the AutoRun and tries to install the application like the Autorun from a CD.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] rorydaredkign:
ive got one of those on the microdrive on my athena, with sygic's install folder, and it tries to install every time i boot...

hope this helps
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] too kool:
Pocket-lint Review

It's not all great news however, in our test, which we were informed was a prototype, the interface was at times sluggish to our requests. Then there was a lack of a 3.5mm jack for music fans as well as the lack of an external memory card slot for further expansion, although in fairness 4GB internal memory should suffice most people and HTC say that a 3.5mm dongle is included in the box. Then there is the worry of battery with HTC's President suggesting that compromises had been made for the size.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Dark Fire:
Where do they mention the 3.5mm dongle? Link please? If it's in the box, it can go on my list. (http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=394957)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] imranbashir_uk:
The dongle was mentioned by the CEO in the Q&A session straight after the launch event. However I think it was a passing comment, and it certainly isn’t in any of the unboxing videos I’ve seen.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] walshieau:
its not in the box
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] imranbashir_uk:
Thanks walshieau,

As you already have the device any chance you can upload the user manual as a PDF file, it might be worth a quick look for any surprises...
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Dark Fire:
Yeah. Thanks and upload please. :)

It's annoying that they never throw in that adapter thing though...
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] rorydaredkign:
its because theyll make 8 quid off you for it

the athena had headphone build in :P

but then stupidly, vga out cable included, but not tv out or usb host. all so they can make an extra 15 quid...

damn htc
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Dark Fire:
Exactly. And it appears that, with the Touch Diamond, they've stopped including any sort of a case or pouch too...
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] ydg:
Diamond with TomTom? or ... ?

Now I have Cruise with Tom Tom and Western Europe maps.

I've ordered Diamond and it seems that there's not Tom Tom installed.

Is it true ?

Otherwise what's the GPS program?

Does TomTom Navigator will work on Diamond ?

Thanks for comments.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] rorydaredkign:
yep, some people have it on their test rom, but somebody quoted a htc email to them saying it wont be in it. it depends on your locality, but it does work on the diamond

Rory
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] imranbashir_uk:
Yes TomTom works fine on the Diamond
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] too kool:
check this :cool:

http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/reviews/review.phtml/3120/4144/htc-diamond-smartphone-first-look.phtml
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Dark Fire:
Oh, wow, thanks. I'd bet on HTC having lied, but I'll put it on my list anyway.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] imranbashir_uk:
That review was a first look just one day after the device was launched back on 6 May. All they are quoting is what was said at the Q & A session at the end of the presentation by the CEO. As others have said it will not be included by HTC.

However it doesn’t stop operators including additional stuff, such as T-Mobile usually release two versions one with Co-pilot and one without. The one with Co-pilot also includes a car charger, windscreen mount, etc...
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Dark Fire:
Silly HTC. It seems that others know more about what HTC are doing, than HTC know themselves!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] drmurti:
SAR VALUE

Dear Friends,

Diamonds seems very lovely. Unfortunately I read that SAR Value is 1.33 !!!

What do you think about this ? Any other values found, please inform... Because 1.33 is excessive level, too dangerous to use...

Kindly Greetings
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] someone1234:
Yeah its 1.33 at the head and 1.4 for the body.. Its in the FCC test (RF EXPOSURE):

http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/...lledFromFrame=N&application_id=174318&fcc_id=

Look at page 3.

Unfortunatly to keep phones small and 'cool' looking there have to be some compramises. There's phones witch have a much higher value, and unless you use your phone ALOT i wouldnt worry about it. Its your choice really.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Dark Fire:
Wow, that is something that I didn't think about before. But, still, 1.4 is well within US and EU limits (1.6 and 2 respectively - may be inaccurate because I got them from Wikipedia).
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] drmurti:
Thanks for this legal information. This means; if used for long period this phone is not suitable for health. Too bad to see that....
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Plattendoktor:
free Memory left

I'm interestet in how many of the 196 MegaBytes are left for user applications averagely.

At my "old" HTC Touch its only 16 MB (Max. 20MB) left. Nearly the rest is allocated by my operating system.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] walshieau:
it has about half free, i noticed that the YouTube application is a memory whore though...
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Dark Fire:
As another Touch user, I'm sure that you'll struggle to work out how to fill up the RAM on the Touch Diamond. I'm certainly struggling to think of applications that would fill the RAM...
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] mblazes:
1.33 and 1.4 is NOT true SRA for dimond is .85

Please see this site for a list of phones and SRAs

http://www.sarshield.com/english/radiationchart.htm

HTC Touch Diamond 0.85 SAR rating

(1.6W/kg)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] PsychoTraining:
I think that mblazes is right.. acording to this site:

http://www.ewg.org/cellphoneradiation/Get-a-Safer-Phone/HTC/Touch+Diamond/

and several more..

SAR VALUE	0.854 W/Kg

This is for the GSM Version

P.S.

===

Looking for this I've searched my other phone which is BenQ-Siemens EF81 and it has the amazing 0.37 W/Kg - Lucky Me :)

"The highest SAR value for this model phone when tested for use at the ear is 0.37 W/Kg"
[ZTE Nubia X Questions & Answers] Ravira43:
Hi guys,

has anyone figured out how to clone an app?

For example I need 2 whatsapp instances on this Phone.

I know that other nubia phones have this feature.

At the moment I'm using an external app from the Playstore.

Any help is appreciated
[ZTE Nubia X Questions & Answers] eli0dt7:
Apparently that feature is not present.

I'm a Nubia OS (now renamed to JOS) fan, I'm using Nubia phones from Nubia-NeoVision alliance. Hahaha That time only one with outstanding cameras were Oppo phones and Oppo Find 7A was amazing camera also powered by NeoVision. So I'm nubia since Nubia 5S Mini LTE, I had the Z17 and Z17s before X, but I'm missing dual App and tree fingers screenshot option. I'm at v2.24 and about to ROM update to v3.05 after TWRP and root. I hope those features were there now. What is your running OS version?
[ZTE Nubia X Questions & Answers] Ravira43:
My Nubia X phone has version 3.05 installed, but the dual instance feature still doesn't exist
[ZTE Nubia X Questions & Answers] firestork:
That's weird Chinese fone usually good at this kind of feature. Am buying a new one. Is it supported now?
[ZTE Nubia X Questions & Answers] darktator_fr:
i had this feature on my nubia z11 / z17 lite / z17 (main phone)/ z17s.

I've update the nubia z17 to android 9, with nubia os, and the feature has disappeared. Bad news as it was very useful with whatapp for example :-/

I guess nubia X had a recent is, with this feature removed.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Questions and Answers] Hassan927326:
I have S8+ and its currently on android 7.0. Everytime I try to update it, it says you are on the lastest version already. Any way I can get it updated (officially).

Thanks in advance.

See screenshots for more.
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Questions and Answers] lost-droid:
Try going into 'apps' and then 'Google Play Services'. Clear the cache, and then force it to stop. Try to update after doing this; I never tried this method, but I heard it works. Some had to do this a few times before it would update.
[ASUS ZenFone 6 (2019) Questions & Answers] feritgfb:
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i want to buy this phone(ZS630KL)..no sales of this phone in turkey,I think to bring from Russia..can you tell me if you have Turkish language support by looking at your phone? i need to know that,because I will give this phone to my wife as a gift.

have a nice days:)
[ASUS ZenFone 6 (2019) Questions & Answers] louislamlam:
This?
[ASUS ZenFone 6 (2019) Questions & Answers] feritgfb:
Omg yess :cyclops: is this a zenfone 6 screenshot right? turkish(Türkçe)...enought for me..thank u brother,You've made me very happy.
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[Huawei P20 Pro Questions & Answers] Warren_Orange:
Hi.

I have a Samsung 5.3 2A charger. Would it be safe to use with the p20 Pro?
[Huawei P20 Pro Questions & Answers] spityu85hun:
yes
[Huawei P20 Pro Questions & Answers] Warren_Orange:
Cool.

I also have a Baseus Ambilight 20000mah battery bank. USB C input states it accepts 5v 2a, 9v 2a and 12v 1.5a.

I take it the adapter would also be OK with this battery bank?
[Huawei P20 Pro Questions & Answers] dlads:
It'll work but I'd stick with what Huawei provided.