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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] RPG0:
Follow up: still no hang/freeze.

To sum up:

after flashing some 6.1 cooked builds around here, i noticed the device would stop responding, i tried two of Dutty's, one Vista, the Diamond V1, maybe some other too. They all had this issue, so i just waited for the official one, hoping that the freezes would be gone. They weren't.

So here's how i fixed it:

I flashed back the original 6.0 official ROM and saw there were no hangs / freezes. So the HW was ok.

After that i flashed the official wm 6.1 from HTC. Then i followed the "Idiot steps" (http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=335568) without any shortcuts (first 14 steps, i skipped step 15 ;) ) and used the 6.1 ROM, not the 6.0 ROM to obtain the nbh file. Flashed the official SPL and hard reset.

All is well now (except i have to remove HTC Home and soft reset to use iGo).

No freezes for a day.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] RPG0:
This supports my theory that 6.1 needs another SPL, probably not compatible with the old HardSPL
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] bnycastro:
what is the original pagepool of the WM6.1 ROM just in case I want to revert back to it?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] lipa47:
Just one question. What Country ID I should set in htc rom tool, to make it look exactly like UK htc branded kaiser?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] fooar:
Hy

There is two lignes:

Selectionner votre type de réseau: "Select your type network"

Auto or GSM or WCDMA

And

Selectionner your band GSM/UMTS: "Select your band GSM/UMTS"

GSM (900+1800)+UMTS(2100) or

GSM (900+850)+UMTS(1900+850) or

UMTS(2100+800)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] lipa47:
Bumfluv

Try force GSM mode in phone settings and see if it helps with freezings.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Bumfluv:
@ SecureGSM

I've just applied the settings for 2G band, but what do you mean with remove the simcard ? Do I have to put it back afterwards and start the phone up ?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] lipa47:
I think that you can ignore that bit with simcard. Alternatively you can switch to plane mode and see if it still freezes without GSM connection.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] gogol:
This is not true.

I use official HTC WM6.0 ROM, never changed that prior installing the new official HTC WM6.1 ROM.

I dont have HardSPL installed.

But guess what, I also experienced this freezing issue from now and then. Sometimes unresponsive when tapping in the screens.

So, thats why I flashed my Kaiser with L26 v3 ROM (for the first time I installed HardSPL!).

Unfortunately, it also suffer this freezing (less).

Thats why I dont really think this is SPL issue, but yeah who knows!

I will re-flash and try to change some settings (pagepool, etc.).
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Bumfluv:
Oops the phone freezes when I try to change to GSm band. one minute later it pops up with the message that it is not possible to change to GSM band.

Next sugestion ?

:confused:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] lipa47:
Sometimes I got the same, you have to do it quickly. Go to phone, then straight to band, change and click ok.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] SecureGSM:
No, physically remove SIM card. that is important. that is option #2.

option #1: force 2G ONLY mode (GSM)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] layer1:
Not only WWE WM6.1, but AT&T WM6.0 as well.

Well, I took this to the next level and tested the pausing/freezing effect on AT&T WM6.0 latest release.

Here's the scoop. I was on the AT&T WM6.0 latest release and was experiencing the freezing/pausing effect with HardSPL installed. When L26 Diamond V3 was released I install the ROM in hope the issue would go away, which it didn't. Then I saw this thread and applied the WWE SPL 6.1 and behold, it went away (already posted this the other day).

Now, I reinstalled HardSPL and put the AT&T WM 6.0 ROM back on the Tilt and started to experience the pasuing/freezing effects again after playing with it for half hour or so. Once I was able to confirm the pausing/freezing effect couple times I then installed the lastest SPL from AT&T (Feb 14, 2008. Thanks to Sirsycho for his post http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=335568) and once again, the pausing/freezing effects went away.

No issues, 3 hours prior to going to sleep. Fully charge the phone over night and this morning was playing around for half hour and still no issues. I will continue to play with the phone this morning as I have couple hours to waste. Will update my post later today with my findings.

I'm by no means an expert but this is what Im finding. Will post back later today.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Bumfluv:
No difference in freezes between 2G and 3G. Played around with the phone for a while, seems that all this fiddeling resulted in less freezes. At least they don't bother me no more.

What bothers me more is that I've lost the TX9 (proposed words) or the T9 dictionary. This does not work anymore ...

Another thing is when typeing messages outlook does not propose names from the contact anymore.

Does that sound familiar to anyone ?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] fitdocsr:
I did exactly the same thing and got the same results. I am certain that hardspl was causing the freezing as mine are gone after two days of testing. So its not just the official 6.1, it effects the tilt roms period.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] gogol:
In my case, I changed the File cache etc. using KaiserTweak to the "advised" value and now the freezing is gone!

Before that, I have difficulties tapping the screen when writing notes for example. Really unresponsive ... but now, its OK :)

Check that settings btw :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] rajmagi:
"12. Run SSPL.KAIS.exe from your phone (make sure you do this on your actual device and not your PC)"

Mine just showing WHITE SCREEN

----------->

I just flashed L26_Kaiser_Diamond_Version_4

I used Jump SPL 1.93 to unlock but somehow cant Jump SPL to lock it back to 6.1 spl. without Jump SPL, 6.1 finish updated using KaiserCustomRUU.exe but ..----------->

well just some solution of mine that works:

1. I tried to change back to 6.1 spl, but somehow tricol mode still still confirm that mine is still unlocked! Never shows SPL 3.28 .... still "lili-pof" mode.. gosh... somewhat reduce freeze and m$ error report to show. But like placebo effects errors just keep coming.

2. Changing PagePoo 16mb--> I found this on some thread. somewhat reduce freeze and m$ error report to show. But like placebo effects errors just keep coming.

3. Change Radio to 1.65.20.29--> I tried this because my Kaiser just freeze if I switch GSM/WCDMA mode from auto. So far no freezes or error, as far as I remember. I can change between modes, and Sound corrupted or invalid path just gone.

so maybe if you are "white screen victim" you may find No. 3 is the solution

May differs for other... Good luck
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] SecureGSM:
just in case we were wondering is something was really wrong with this rom udate:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=2234850&postcount=356
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] baallrog:
For me the freeze continue with the original hardspl ...

I found it on this thread.

This is the french hardspl.

I have the French version of the HTC official rom.

I hav notice that when i disable phone part, there is no more freeze ...

or me it's an radio part issue i think ...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Teijak:
Yes i noticed it too, i disabeld 3G in commanager and the freezing was gone.

Maybe a fluke but who knows?

Teijak
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] baallrog:
Ok.

So, is there another radio rom ?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] gfreek:
Just to reiterate people the last couple of days I have flashed back and forth the SPL and again I can confirm that with the official SPL 3.28 I have no freeze issues! and like many of you in this thread who have pointed out I cannot fathom as to why this is the case??

So I guess we definitely need a new HardSPL based on this SPL!

And just before someone asks prior to the flashing of the SPL 3.28, tried everything to eliminate or reduce freeze, i.e. change cache, tweaked the touch panel threshold even tried as many of you who have pointed here disabling 3g, although some of the tweak reduced the issue but could not eliminate the issue altogether until I flashed this SPL:)

I know in one of my previous post here when I flashed this SPL 3.28 first time, I said something like "So far can confirm this seems to work, no freezes and it's blazingly fast" I take the last words back "blazingly fast" I guess I got too excited that the freeze issue was gone!! I can now confirm after using it for couple days although it feels a bit nippier there really isn't a performance gain.

also I'm currently running this rom on 16mb page pool but to be honest can't really see the difference from the default dynamic page pool setting:-/ in any case left at 16mb page pool!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] bengalih:
Can you provide some qualitative tests to perform that shows then the "issues" are present and when they are not?

I have not seemed to experience issues on my Tilt with HardSPL, although maybe I am not as finicky as others.

If you could state exactly what and how you were testing while you switched between the SPLs so that others can acknowledge that the problems exist and thus dissapear with the new SPL.

For instance:

"After a clean reboot do A and B...then when going to do C you will see a 2 second delay. After updating SPL following this same procedure has no delay...etc..."
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Esteel:
What about a Youtube video showing the freeze with HARDSPL installed and the same steps with HARDSPL removed?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] pietrucci:
Slower...

Well well, I installed the latest L26 ROM V4 and it felt rather fast and snappy.

Reading this thread I thought I'd make it even better and flashed both the official WM6.1 SPL ánd Kyphur's Pagepool 16 Mb.

Well, I shouldn't have done that: every screentab just reacts slow, have to press very hard, freezes now and then.

Not what I expected at all...

Did a hardreset just to make sure, but it kept the same.

Reflash tomorrow with the original ROM (no PP and no official SPL), see if I can get my speed back.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] layer1:
I've been playing with my Tilt all day with the ATT latest SPL installed. I have not experienced a single freeze/pause on my phone all day, where as with HardSPL I would usually see anywhere in the neighborhood 5-7.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] gfreek:
begalih I know you are skeptical about this! in any case to summarize here's what I did:

Test1

with HardSPL

-flashed ROM

-did hard reset

-installed all my apps

-tested for full working day

issues: upon every other wake from sleep, screen lag (especially noticable when I'm using finger rather then stylus), freeze about 2-3 sec! tried various tweaks as I mentioned before no joy:(

Test2 - plain vanilla (just to make sure the issues were not due to any installed 3rd party apps)

with HardSPL

- Hard Reset

- Re-flash the ROM

- Hard Reset

- No apps installed

- tested full working day

Issues: again same as above!!

Test3

With SPL 3.28

- flashed SPL 3.28

- Hard Reset

- re-flashed ROM (Super CID so no issues in flashing official ROMS)

- Hard reset

- installed all my apps

- tested full working day

Issues: none i.e. no freeeze no screen lag:)

As you can see I've been thorough to the point of Hard Reseting each time just to make sure!!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Boinng:
I think the fact is the kind of freezing people are talking about here has always been random - like some others I always experienced it to some lesser extent on the older 6.0 rom, but took it (largely from posts here) to be a "feature" of the device.

There is no set sequence that would always produce a freeze - sometimes the phone might have none for quite some time, then - usually just when you need to get at something in a hurry - pressing on that soft button to bring up your calendar just doesn't do anything. So you just keep pressing it for a few seconds until it deigns to respond, and when it does it just responds the once as if that was the first and only time you pressed it - that's a typical freze in my book. And like I say, for the last six months on the (Hard SPL'd) 6.0 rom it's been a perfectly bearable and minor annoyance. With the 6.1 rom however the freezes were much more frequent and persistent at times. Now, with the HTC SPL from that same rom installed, they're gone - completely. I've been playing with this phone a lot, and not once in the last two days since reflashing the SPL has it so much as hinted at the possibility of another freeze. And that's with absolutely no changes to page pool or file cache etc either.

Is it possible that such PP and file system adjustments are merely compensating for this SPL issue for some users?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Isaygarcia:
Flashed SPL and my SPL still saying : 1.0.Olipof

xD!

what i did wrong?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] jackcho:
does somebody has the 6.1 dutch original spl . I tried to extract but i failed.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] kjb86:
REALLY confused

ok, hopefully someone can respond and help out. cause im confused

so basically, the idea is to flash back to an OEM rom, SPL the device.

After that, you aren't able to HardSPL again because it will still cause freezing problems. Therefore, we can only use an OEM rom until something is fixed?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] lewcamino:
Are you ****ing kidding me...

Look at post #161
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] ipaqsg:
What I did:

1) Install HardSPL

2) Flash self-cooked ROM

3) install OEM SPL

Whenever I need to flash a cooked ROM, I just follow above steps.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] pietrucci:
So now I must correct myself, I spoke too soon...

I've been using my ROM with the above settings (factory SPL and PP 16Mb) for half a day now and after a coupple of softresets it works like a charme now. No more freezes, nomore slowdowns.

Seems it DOES work going back to the factory SPL!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Paramedic:
worked for me!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] benz710:
which original ROM?

a little bit confused too.

I've got a MDA Vario III. which original ROM (original spl) should I use?

Thank you.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] jpierson:
Took me a couple of times:

1. Connect to activesync

2. Run JumpSPL

3. Disconnect USB

4. Reconnect

5. Run KaiserCustomRUU.exe

the first two time it sat at 0% and wouldn't work... then like magic it worked the third time... no hard reset for me *whew*

Phone feels a little bit better... still playing with it...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] nicholasendean:
Fantastic. Brilliant....wonderful

DUDE......thank you sooooooooooooooooooooooo much. I have been going to bits as I kept getting error 260 (connection)

Now thanks to your advice above, I have got a result. Thanks a million. :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] neil@domino.org:
I think the talk of SPL being the issue is a red herring.

Just checking my phone I've still got HardSPL on my phone and in running this for over a week with heavy usage the phone has been rock solid - the only issue I have discovered is bluetooth headset doesn't swap between music and phone automatically when a call comes in.

Neil.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] rcidrued:
It works, yesterday upgraded the spl and goodbye to freezes.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Boinng:
And you're using the newest official HTC ROM? In all your heavy use you've not once pressed a button, or touched the screen, and found the phone doesn't respond until you try it again a few seconds later?

Have you tweaked the page pool, or file cache, or disabled 3G, or anything like that?

I hate to say it, but you're just one user, compared to many in this thread and elsewhere reporting improvements with the SPL change. Right now, you're far more likely to be the red herring :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] emilceteras:
worked for me ,too ! When I installed SPL I had a problem in bootloader mode- my phone appeared as disconected from computer . after disconecting

and conecting the USB cable everything was OK
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] SouthernLuke:
I would have to agree. I'm running Death V2 w/ Hard-SPL and I'm not experiencing any issues as mentioned above.

Is it because of the build (AT&T based rom on a Tilt) vs. HTC New release on whatever variations of the Tytn II?

But my biggest question: Why didn't somebody check this out when we started getting leaked WM 6.1 roms?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] jpierson:
Something else that might help people, the first two times I forgot to take out my sd card... then I remembered seeing something about that from the first time I flashed...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] johneijg:
I must admit that I was skeptical about the SPL making a difference.

But after installing the HTC 6.1 SPL I must admit that everything feels a bit snappier and with proper responses.

Just a wild guess but my theory would be that the Bootloader sets some registers in the Qualcomm Chips which enhance the behaviour.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] :
Invalid Vendor ID

I have flashed dozens of ROM using Hard SPL but I am having a problem going back to the HTC 6.1

Steps I have done on my Tilt:

1. Loaded SSPL_KAIS.exe to the phone and ran it. Tri-color screen came up with no problem.

2. Reset device.

3. Flashed HTC_6.1_SSPL to phone. Bootloader reads: KAIS1*0; SPL-3.28.0000.

4. When trying to flash the HTC 6.1 ROM, the screen goes to the gray status bar but does not load. I get an error on the ROM Updater that reads: "ERROR [294]: INVALID VENDOR ID".

Any help is appreciated. When I loaded the HTC 6.1 ROM with the Hard SPL, it was terrible. I am looking forward to this fix.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] DaveShaw:
Put on HardSPL.

Flash the ROM.

Revert to the Orginal HTC SPL.

Ta,

Dave
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] GhotiGhongers:
So, let me get this right....HardSPL is required to flash cooked ROMs, but is not required to run them? i.e. you can run a cooked ROM using the original SPL?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] lipa47:
This is because when you flash hard-spl it doesn't make your phone supercid, it just bypasses checking and overwriting spl when you flash rom!!!

For example: my kaiser originaly was orange branded. I put hard-spl and I could flash whatever I wanted. When I put back any official spl it will become orange locked again!!! That's why you have to flash rom first and spl then.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] neil@domino.org:
fair challenge :D

So i'm reporting what I've seen and trust me any issues with lag or anything and I'd have dropped back to the TMobile stock win6.0 rom.

I've not had any screen touch lag, any button lag or any scroll lag, i've not touched the page pool/file cache or disabled 3G (my phone is 99% of the time in a HSDPA area).

I installed the WWE Ship 6.1 Rom last Friday and the phone has been fine. It feels better than 6.0 esp downloading large IMAP folders, direct push works fine, Bluetooth audio is great except when I get a call it doesn't automatically switch back. I've used the phone as a 3G modem and on wifi, alot of usage of google maps - its rock solid. I don't run many third party apps, prefer to keep the phone clean so that when I need to make calls or do work - it works reliably.

I'm not saying that people aren't having issues, I'm just not seeing them. Phone is a Tmob MDA Vario III.

Regards,

Neil.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] _LEM_:
Thanks a lot. I got it to work by doing that.

I've always had those freezes problems. Even before I had WM6.1 installed.

I guess that my problems started when I installed the first cooked rom.

After following those steps I haven't had a single freeze.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] dr_derqami:
workin

Ok
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] :
Thanks!

After reading all through the posts, I can't believe it was that simple.

Thanks Dave.

BTW - the difference in performance is fantastic.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] DaveShaw:
Yep, you don't need to reflash after changing SPL.

The SPL is what is used by the RRU program to flash the ROM on the device. The RRU just passes the image to the SPL.

Ta

Dave
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] GhotiGhongers:
Thanks. For some reason I've always been under the impression that HardSPL was required to flash and to run cooked ROMs. Learn something new everyday....
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] wim26:
I also changed from hardspl to custom spl and it makes a difference. It's not faster but there are no freezes which is great. Thx
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] mean-machine:
Hi.

I'm running Leo's Diamond Rom V3 at the moment and I've got HardSPL installed. I flashed the original SPL which I downloaded here, I got the flashing successful message, but when I checked it, it was still the same - hard spl. I read here that it can help with cooked ROMs as well, so if I'm not wrong, it should work. Or am I doing something wrong?

Sorted... HardSPL has SPL overwrite blocked. So I had to use jumpSPL and it's fine.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] meanvulcan:
Can someone post the Official SPL (6.1) I can use with Leo's Diamond ROMs? I am asusming it's just the official 6.1 SPL. By the way, why does it matter whether it's the HTC SPL or AT&T SPL?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Churchill:
Reverted to Stock WM 6.1 SPL and the problem is gone
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] lewcamino:
It is in a post near the beginning of this thread...READ.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] elmoono:
I was sceptical that a bootloader could affect OS performance. Took the plunge, flashed new spl, hard reset, flashed official 6.1 rom, hard reset. Then had 2 days of really good performance with no freezes and only occasional unresponsive screen.

Day 3 screen taps varying wildly from instant response one hour, to having to tap several times the next - tested with soft resets etc, no fixed pattern.

No freezes what so ever. However i think i preffered a few minimal freezes on some of dutty's builds to the screen tap problem i now face, will give it a few more days.

Why has the screen tap issue increased over the last 3 days? I can only assume via the slow customisation - getting all the settings how i like them, as i have not installed an app yet! I really think something i have set in settings has caused screen tap problem, I dont appear to have any sensitivity controller in settings - guess i could try kaisertweak or something to improve screen sensitivity.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] aeacus:
Another one to confirm.

I've been using L26 Kaiser Diamond V4, and despite the fact that the ROM is fast , i was experiencing random freezes.

Not totally random as I've noticed that when you play a little chess it freezes more often.

Changed to Official WM 6.1 SPL and after 3 hours and a lot of chess no freezes at all...

So the question now is are we gonna see a new HardSPL?

Because flashing by changing HardSPL to Official SPL and back is going to be a real pain in the ass.