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[ASUS ZenFone 6 (2019) Accessories] DoubleM101:
Theres any good quality tempered glass protector for this phone?

I'm looking everywhere and i can't find it. So far i used Orzly and Nillkin on my phones but i can't find none for this one. All i find is non-brand name / chinese cheaping looking glass. I want something really good to protect the screen in a eventual fall. I already ordered a flip-case but i want extra-protection.

I saw those gadgetshieldz but it seems it's not tempered glass. Do they protect in case of a fall?
[ASUS ZenFone 6 (2019) Accessories] x1tymez:
I asked Nillkin of they're planning to make it for this phone. They said no ETA. I found couple on Amazon with/out black trim. Might order couple and test it out.
[ASUS ZenFone 6 (2019) Accessories] DoubleM101:
In the end i bought this one:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Asus-Zen...654623?hash=item547136921f:g:0hEAAOSwqzJdCTiX

Theres a clear version also.

As soon as i got it i will leave my feedback about it.
[ASUS ZenFone 6 (2019) Accessories] eRRoRist:
Get nillkin for nova 5. It does not cover the entire screen but just enough for the sides and slightly more for the top and bottom. With a case..the exposed surface is less then 2mm.

Those with black borders will cover part of the led light.

Looks interesting..please do share with us your experience.
[ASUS ZenFone 6 (2019) Accessories] hexxor93:
I've tried so many from amazon and all of them have been completely crap - Amazon must hate me as I've returned like 6 different brands and left bad reviews lol.
[ASUS ZenFone 6 (2019) Accessories] x1tymez:
Which kinds did you try? Black trim or clear glass.
[ASUS ZenFone 6 (2019) Accessories] hexxor93:
All clear ones without the black boarder
[ASUS ZenFone 6 (2019) Accessories] DoubleM101:
I already got it but unfortunately still no phone to test it.

However i'm surprised how flexible it is. Every tempered glass i used in the past was hard, inflexible. This one isn't one of those platics films, it feels more hard but still flexible. I'm not sure what kind of material is this.
[ASUS ZenFone 6 (2019) Accessories] x1tymez:
Nothing is decent on Amazon. I've tested clear/black borderline. They all have adhesive problem.
[ASUS ZenFone 6 (2019) Accessories] hexxor93:
Saying that I actually bought one which actually works. Have a look - it's way better than all the others I've tried and returned haha :)
[ASUS ZenFone 6 (2019) Accessories] x1tymez:
No adhesive problem? All the one I tired is on front page after searching. 4 brands all failed. Hopefully Amazon don't email me lol. I'll tried that next. Thanks.
[ASUS ZenFone 6 (2019) Accessories] hexxor93:
So far no, even got some dust stuck underneat when I applied it and it didn't seem to care (stuck on the phone very nicely anyway lol) - had it for a week now
[ASUS ZenFone 6 (2019) Accessories] x1tymez:
I received it today. It's not full adhesive on corner, but they use liquid glue to fill in. If you use a case too tight it will push out the filling. Failed in my book.
[ASUS ZenFone 6 (2019) Accessories] hexxor93:
I didn't use the liquid as I don't think it's a great plan but it does stick much better than the other brands on Amazon - plus no halo while the screen is on. I'm using a rhinoshield solid suit case and that appears ok with the protector (we all know how tight those cases are :) )
[ASUS ZenFone 6 (2019) Accessories] x1tymez:
I see what you mean, I'm getting adhesive all around, similar to the rest on Amazon. This the luxury of being early adapter, lol. I keep hunting for good one. Will post back.
[ASUS ZenFone 6 (2019) Accessories] DoubleM101:
Well, i'm using this screen protector for a while and i don't recommend it.

First of all, or i made any mistake applying it (which i doubt because it was straightforward and not the first screen protector i applied) or it has some issues sticking to the phone. On stand by and cool temperatures it's fine, however under the sun or when the phone starts to heat, like playing, taking photos, etc it starts to peel off around all the corners. I would say like more than 1cm on each border. I have to press with the fingers to stick it to the phone again and it's good for a while but in a few hours the same happens again.

Second, i don't know if it's the screen protector or the phone's screen itself but the clarity is horrible under direct sun. Even on max brightness it's really hard to see anything. Screen protector is mate which should improve clarity but i think it's making worse. I don't believe the screen is so bad. My old Moto G5 Plus was a lot better.

On the positive side, i like both the visual and touch feelings. It feels like more of a paper instead of glass.
[ASUS ZenFone 6 (2019) Accessories] timmyj213:
Not sure if anyone's suggested it yet but i got the impact protection front and back from rhinoshield and its been perfect. kinda plasticky but doesn't change feel much and is apparently 5 x stronger than gorilla glass https://rhinoshield.io/pages/shop/A...rotector&prod=asus-zenfone-6-screen-protector
[ASUS ZenFone 6 (2019) Accessories] mojo7766:
I got the supershieldz one on Amazon. Its too big and doesn't account for the curved edge. About 1-2mm border around that is not adhered to the screen. Though it does stick well, easily installed, good quality, and they did refund me. But I don't recommend if you are looking for one that actually fits.
[ASUS ZenFone 6 (2019) Accessories] ashishkr:
Guys one thing looks really strange.. that phone manufacturers are increasing their phone's protection level by each year, like gorilla glass x on front and even back.

But why we still choose screen protectors (like tempered glass) to cover our phone screen.

Whereas in test videos we see the tough scratch test for front and back.

And when it comes to 6z, it passes well (having Gorilla 6 on front and 3 on back) even on camera lens.

And yes those drop test.

Whereas.. we are neither playing basket ball through this phone nor will be using it as a chopping board in our kitchen. Right?

So.. why we don't trust ????

Even I am also thinking for a tempered glass or cover and... will end up making my phone more heavier, compromised design and adding some extra bazzl from my side.

I am really planning to use it without anything, trusting these protection this time. I know it's bit slippery to hold.

So, please let me know, is there any scratches or anything in any side when used without any screen protection or case?

from ➧ Xperia™
[ASUS ZenFone 6 (2019) Accessories] S4turno:
Gorilla Glass number keeps going up but on tests it still scratches like previous versions (as we can see on JerryRigEverything's tests). It's just a name, to sell more phones...
[ASUS ZenFone 6 (2019) Accessories] ashishkr:
Yes true, but still that level (upto which it passed) is enough for regular use.

So, still It should be worth to take risk without any screen protection/guard.

Why to say risk, infect we should be comfortable to use it without worrying about any scratches, after all we are not going to navigate menus using sharp knife or blades. Right?

But we still use protectors since ages, no matter which phone we have ?.

from ➧ Xperia™

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That sounds great, as I don't want to put extra bazle and extra weight on phone using back covers.

So, please let me know how it covers the phone? Specially back and side portions(where we have the keys)?

And what if we use those on camera lens which they claim as ultra clear?

from ➧ Xperia™
[ASUS ZenFone 6 (2019) Accessories] nydmt:
Bought this phone and wanted to keep it so bad, but it was just too big for me to use as a daily.

Anyway, I ordered an IQ Shield full body screen protector: http://www.iqshield.com/iq36879-asus-zenfone-6-phone-skin-protector.html

I returned the phone so I have no use for this, it's unopened. I got a refund for it but Amazon didn't want the item back. I'm looking to get rid of it, honestly if someone just wants to pay for shipping I'd be glad to mail it. Message me if you're interested.
[ASUS ZenFone 6 (2019) Accessories] ei01099:
Hello, I Bought the Asus Zenfone 6 on the last Black Friday. I would happily accept your offer. Do you know how much it is to send it to Portugal? Thank you in advance.
[ASUS ZenFone 6 (2019) Accessories] iAnoop:
No matter what glass is, once is fall on flat downward, it is going to shatter. There is only phone Moto Force which survived.

Now a days, manufacturers making phone more fragile. Even so slippery that you can't use it without any cover. Asus Zenphone 6 is also in same league. The phone even slipped on my laptop with extended battery (just a few degrees inclined).

All the case make the phone too big. I got a Carbon fiber wrap (used on cars) to put on back side and use without any case. I ordered a tempered glass but it didn't fit well and leaves the corner. May be I use it without screen protector. :eek:. Good thing is metal side ring, which will save any corner drop.
[ASUS ZenFone 6 (2019) Accessories] _jis_:
Already pre-cut for Zenfone 6, or just the self-adhesive foil that you have to cut yourself?
[ASUS ZenFone 6 (2019) Accessories] iAnoop:
Completed it.

It's generic Vinyl wrap for Car and bike. I does need heatup using hair dryer to stretch and stick properly.
[ASUS ZenFone 6 (2019) Accessories] Karbry:
I have finally found a screen protector that fits the screen of the Zenfone 6 without the dreaded halo. It's made by Dipos a German company, it's 9H and flexible. It is cut slightly smaller than the screen and covers the whole of the flat part leaving just the curved edge exposed. Once I fitted it back into its case, there is no exposed screen on show. Cost was £8 inc. postage and there are 2 protectors in the pack. You can find them on Ebay, or Amazon where they are slightly more expensive.
[ASUS ZenFone 6 (2019) Accessories] iAnoop:
Can you give the link for case and screen protector?
[ASUS ZenFone 6 (2019) Accessories] Karbry:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/233233057391

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07T2X62X1/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

As requested..:good:
[ASUS ZenFone 6 (2019) Accessories] pv24:
Just an idea. Since the Zenfone 6 has 6,4" notchless display of the same size and aspect ratio as Xiaomi Mi9T (Pro) or Xiaomi Mi Mix 3, in theory, screen protectors for these phones should work with the Zenfone 6, right? Just an idea that came to my mind, maybe someone could try this and report if the protectors fit? On Aliexpress and Ebay these screen protectors are very cheap. I can't try it unfortunately, since I don't have my Zenfone 6 yet.
[ASUS ZenFone 6 (2019) Accessories] kk454347:
Anyone find a better screen protector after all these months? I'm looking to get one down in Canada
[ASUS ZenFone 6 (2019) Accessories] MentalEdge:
PSA!

The Nillkin TG H+ Pro protector for the Mi Mix 3 is damn near perfect for the zenfone 6, just a tad undersized maybe. Thanks for the idea [MENTION=7901911]pv24[/MENTION], I decided to try this because of you and finding these on clearance by chance soon after.

Placed correctly it is the exact width of the display area before the concave curve down. It covers a good bit of the bottom chin too. (The bottom chin is left exposed by half a millimeter more than the other sides before the curve).

Have some pictures! I used a flashlight to expose the outline clearly.

Imgur Gallery
[ASUS ZenFone 6 (2019) Accessories] kk454347:
Did anyone get screen protector from gadget shieldz? How was it when applied to the phone?

https://www.gadgetshieldz.com/asus-zenfone-6z-screen-protectors-guards.html?currency=USD
[ASUS ZenFone 6 (2019) Accessories] 23598685:
a while ago I ordered this one:

https://www.schutzfolien24.de/artik...olie-fuer-asus-zenfone-6-zs630kl-2935868.html

the foil was actually more than 5mm too small, which made it unusable.

I tried to contact these guys asking for a bigger foil and ended up with one of the worst customer services ever, gave up.

The screen of the Zenfone 6 is quite bright, a matte foil is definitely not needed. I would recommend not to use a screen protector.
[ASUS ZenFone 6 (2019) Accessories] kk454347:
did you purchase another screen protector since that one didnt work out?
[ASUS ZenFone 6 (2019) Accessories] 23598685:
no I didnt use another one since. I used to have matte foils on all my phones except this one. The foil was installed for about a week with big ugly bars on each side until I ripped it off, I dont miss it.
[ASUS ZenFone 6 (2019) Accessories] kk454347:
thanks for the feedback. anyone else find a screen protector that works?
[ASUS ZenFone 6 (2019) Accessories] kk454347:
Looking at these 2 screen protectors at the moment, has anyone purchased these before or are currently using them?

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/3x-iLLumiSh...530005?hash=item52248cde55:g:GvUAAOSwEFhdnPqe

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Skinomi-Scr...AMLv5PairwiseWeb&_trksid=p2047675.c100623.m-1
[Samsung Galaxy S8 Questions and Answers] MartinEv1980:
Currently unrooted on my S8 that is encrypted (?) - looking to root but want to know the best option to backup apps and app data before I install a ROM :confused:

Thanks in advance
[Xiaomi Mi Max 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] MrColdbird:
/*
* I'm not responsible for bricked devices, dead SD cards, thermonuclear war, or any other messes you get yourself into.
* I'm not your babysitter, your flash-guide nanny or your "do it for me" daddy. The usual copy-paste disclaimer applies:
* Please do some research if you have any concerns about features included in the products you find here before flashing it!
* YOU are choosing to make these modifications, and if you point the finger at me for messing up your device, I will laugh at you.
* Your warranty will be void if you tamper with any part of your device / software.
* Same statement for XDA.
*/

Ways to support / tip me :

Patreon

Ko-Fi (essentially PayPal)

What's working :

Boots

RIL (Calls, SMS, Data)

Fingerprint (FPC & Goodix)

Wi-Fi (2.4GHz & 5GHz)

Bluetooth

Camera (Camera2 API included)

Audio

Flash

Notification LED

VoLTE

GPS

IR Blaster

OTA

Probably more stuff I haven't tested.

Known issues:

The FM radio app can't output to speaker (yet)

Instructions :

Download the linked 9.6.27 firmware, latest build and OpenGApps (Micro suggested)

Reboot to recovery

Flash them: firmware first, build second, GApps third (Magisk fourth if you need it)

Reboot

Important notes :

If you intend to dirty-flash new builds make sure to first uninstall Substratum if you have it installed!

Failure to do so will result in a black-screen (or other issues)!

You've been warned.

Downloads :

Required 9.6.27 firmware

Latest build (Last updated: 07/29/19)

OpenGApps

XDA:DevDB Information

[ROM][OTA][UNOFFICIAL] Lineage Pie, ROM for the Xiaomi Mi Max 3

Contributors

MrColdbird, mario_R, afr30010

Source Code: https://github.com/Black-Seraph

ROM OS Version: 9.x Pie

ROM Kernel: Linux 4.x

ROM Firmware Required: 9.6.27

Based On: Lineage

Version Information

Status: Stable

Created 2019-06-18

Last Updated 2019-07-29
[Xiaomi Mi Max 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] afr30010:
Awesome!
[Xiaomi Mi Max 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] Jonanthan Nascimento:
Perfect ROM!
[Xiaomi Mi Max 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] SUPERUSER:
finally, yeeay :highfive:
[Xiaomi Mi Max 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] darky444:
Thanks !!
[Xiaomi Mi Max 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] IanZhen1110:
NICE THANKS,btw I have a question: Are you actually contributing the aosp extended nitrogen Rom?
[Xiaomi Mi Max 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] afr30010:
What do you mean?

EDIT: Nevermind. The answer for that question is a no.
[Xiaomi Mi Max 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] IanZhen1110:
I'm talking about the op , he's in another post about aosp extended...
[Xiaomi Mi Max 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] afr30010:
You probably meant AOSiP not AOSP Extended.
[Xiaomi Mi Max 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] IanZhen1110:
No I 100%sure it's aosp extended, because I'm actually running his aosip Rom now.
[Xiaomi Mi Max 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] afr30010:
Check again the forum and come back.
[Xiaomi Mi Max 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] IanZhen1110:
Back now
[Xiaomi Mi Max 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] Chaudoir411:
This ROM works excellent!!!
[Xiaomi Mi Max 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] tuank53c:
Does this ROM have the same functions as AOSIP?

What about the battery of this rom compared to aosip ?

Please post some screenshots
[Xiaomi Mi Max 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] farshidge:
what is difference between this rom and AOSiP Pie rom?
[Xiaomi Mi Max 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] sstekss:
There are less functions! And the unblocking a face doesnt work for me for some reason still here.
[Xiaomi Mi Max 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] Oveana:
I'm very concerned about the overclocking and harming my device. I tried to downclock via kernel auditor, but it's very buggy. I hope you revert the frequencies to original values in the next releases.
[Xiaomi Mi Max 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] Wmateria:
Ehh, its more of a kernel thing, I think you have to request that with [MENTION=5795080]mario_R[/MENTION] since he is working on the 6.0 kernel on his thread.
[Xiaomi Mi Max 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] mario_R:
What do you mean by "buggy"?

Works like a charm for me

Also about reverting frequencies to stock one- no i won't remove OC since it gives noticeable boost in UI rendering/games. If you don't want to use it then just flash MIUI stock kernel :p
[Xiaomi Mi Max 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] SUPERUSER:
Yes I must say this phone is like a totally different device with your kernel
[Xiaomi Mi Max 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] sfairmm:
I don't tested it, but I will soon.

Thanks [MENTION=4355924]MrColdbird[/MENTION]
[Xiaomi Mi Max 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] IanZhen1110:
Thanks for the rom!! But I have a question, should I encrypt my phone? Lineage os said it will make my phone much secured, but I'm afraid that my recovery (orange fox) won't be able to access internal storage, /data partition etc. anymore. And if that won't happen, anything needed to be done before this process?(expect backup, I'm talking about like, should I unroot my phone?)
[Xiaomi Mi Max 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] propi62:
encrypted yesterday. orangefox cant access internal storage data anymore.
[Xiaomi Mi Max 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] Ryakna:
Why not encrypt your phone and decrypt when you need to access recovery?
[Xiaomi Mi Max 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] SUPERUSER:
Is the ResurrectedKernel by mario_R included with this Lineage Pie and your AOSiP rom or do I have to flash it seperately after flashing the rom?
[Xiaomi Mi Max 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] IanZhen1110:
Cause Im afraid that recovery couldn't successfully decrypt data
[Xiaomi Mi Max 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] MrColdbird:
New build is up.

Pulled in LineageOS upstream changes

As part of that we now have SBC-HD / Dual-Channel Bluetooth support

Cloned 3 previously misconfigured overlay values from MIUI

Updated kernel to RK6
[Xiaomi Mi Max 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] terryw:
The touchscreen response feel a little bit different from MUMI 10.

The touch screen in game had a delay around 1 sec. Not in the game haven't any issue...
[Xiaomi Mi Max 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] Tazmaniiac:
Used the rom for 2 day (clean flash). Scrolling fast did not really work for some reason (like when you want to scroll to the bottom of a page it constantly stops scrolling or scrolls backwards even though you input the same scrolling motion).

Now after 1 day WIFI stopped working, I can scan for networks but it refuses to connect with any.

And since day one I constantly had a notification telling me to finish setting up the device, but the setup wizard couldn't finish the last step(I had this bug on RR on my Mi Max 2 too)..

Then fingerprint sensor stopped working after turning on a smart lock feature. It just says something like fingerprinthardware unavailable.

I used Magisk and a few other root apps, so that may be the reason for the problems.

Other than that the rom is running smooth, gonna try AOSiP now.
[Xiaomi Mi Max 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] jorgeepelos:
This rom have the same touchscreen/swipe problem than aosip rom? Thank you

Enviado desde mi MI MAX 3 mediante Tapatalk
[Xiaomi Mi Max 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] Premananda_laishram:
I came from MIUI EU rom10.3.2.

I wiped Dalvik, System, Cache, Internal

Then I followed the steps listed here.

Rom booted successfully.

Second SIM Card has no signal
[Xiaomi Mi Max 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] ptr21:
May be you skipped "wipe data".
[Xiaomi Mi Max 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] Psychoker:
How do I update ?

Hey I am new in the Lineage / Custom Rom World. I have a noob question , how do I update. Can I update "Over the air" or updated it over TWRP with the newest Build.

Thank you very much and have a nice day. ✌
[Xiaomi Mi Max 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] tisfomic:
Got the same thing on AOSiP 2 times already. Must be something with the latest updates, its like the phone gets reset.
[Xiaomi Mi Max 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] Tazmaniiac:
Yes I tried AOSiP too and had the exact same bugs, touchscreen issues felt the same, typing on gboard was really hard because of the delays.

What I didn't mention is that when the fp-scanner stopped working, several apps have been reset, my quicksettings arrangement has changed, the settings button didn't work, although the settings app itself was fine. Mobile data wasn't working too, only calling and SMS worked, but SMS was a pain in the ass because for some reason the space key disappeared lol

Apart from that I really liked AOSiP and this rom, maybe Mr. Coldbird finds the trigger for all the bugs someday. I didn't create logs but maybe this description can help him out
[Xiaomi Mi Max 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] L_e_x_t_e_r:
It was a bug in F2FS...format /Data in ext4 and all is good!
[Xiaomi Mi Max 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] Tazmaniiac:
So ai had to format my data partition to ext4 first?
[Xiaomi Mi Max 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] Bawlz McNutt:
Wait...are you saying that formatting the /Data partition to Ext4 also resolves the touchscreen issues on custom roms or just the software bugs?

I remember on previous phones the common consensus was to avoid F2FS as the problems it caused on various roms wasn't worth the few benefits that it provided but MIUI on the Max 3 defaults to F2FS on the /Data partition so I kind of just left it like that.
[Xiaomi Mi Max 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] Wmateria:
Ya EXT 4 is a must to use custom Roms. Even when using EU Miui, the data partition switches back to F2FS and it has to be change back to EXT 4 before using AOSiP, Lineage, and etc. That is a rule to use EXT 4 for a long time know when switching from a stock rom using F2FS data partition.
[Xiaomi Mi Max 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] btvbtv:
I wonder if f2fs mount options mstter?

:/ $ mount

/dev/block/mmcblk0p79 on /data type f2fs (rw,lazytime,seclabel,nosuid,nodev,noatime,background_gc=off,discard,no_heap,user_xattr,inline_xattr,acl,inline_data,inline_dentry,flush_merge,extent_cache,mode=adaptive,active_logs=6,alloc_mode=default,fsync_mode=nobarrier)
[Xiaomi Mi Max 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] MrColdbird:
A new build is up.

Unlocked CPU core #3 for background use (to match MIUI default settings)

Unlocked CPU core #4 for system background use (to match MIUI default settings)

Doubled input boost time from 60ms to 120ms (to match MIUI default settings)
[Xiaomi Mi Max 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] tatif:
Hello

I just ordered a mi max 3 to replace my rooted redmi note 5 (lineageos 16).

What are the main differences between Lineage Pie and AOSiP ( knowing that I do not install any GApps )

Thank you MrColdbird :good:
[Xiaomi Mi Max 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] mierlo420:
Do you format /Data to ext4 before or after flashing rom? Or doesn't it matter?
[Xiaomi Mi Max 3 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other] L_e_x_t_e_r:
You can do both ways...