yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Xiaomi Mi 9 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] marcel112:
are you kidding me???

I flashed it and you ask hour later battery life, for real?

ok, its awesome:p
[Xiaomi Mi 9 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] marcel112:
i full wiped

incl format data

then only this zip file thats all
[Xiaomi Mi 9 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Rithchwr:
Easy man, I knew that it was just an hour. What I wanted to know was that were there any significant drain.

Anyway it's my fault though, sorry.
[Xiaomi Mi 9 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] juve60:
thx

whats included vendor ?
[Xiaomi Mi 9 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] marcel112:
and this one i forgot
[Xiaomi Mi 9 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] marcel112:
i cant find it but the other unofficial i tried was 9.8.1 , i guess its the same, idk
[Android Apps and Games] SacredDeviL666:
Thread closed as https://xdaforums.com/galaxy-note-9/themes/app-sidesqueeze-2-0-add-squeeze-t3936744
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] bengalih:
This is a request to all uses and moderators.

I would like to see three things.

1) Sticky's/Announcements in Kaiser General to the FAQ/GWENI/ETC. Currently these are listed in ROM development and not intuitive for a new user to find.

2) A guide for NOOBZ - while the above are invaluable resources, they don't address very basic issues. Things like:

How do I use activesync to install a CAB?

How do I do a basic registry edit

Where can I look for good software for x, y, and z

What does ROM, CID, SIM, XML mean...in general a Glossary

other basic tasks/information

I don't have the bandwidth to create such a guide right now, but if someone would like to volunteer, particularly a user who has gone through a noob to more experienced level using this site and is aware of the issues and pitfalls. It would be much appreciated...

3) A forum section for Noobz... As we have seen many posts as of late with titles like "I am a noob" , "Help me...","What software is good?",etc.

I think having this forum there would attract these posts better while appease the larger community from having to entertain these even in the general forum. Which, as some have stated should be a forum for questions not releated to the other 3, and not as a place for spoonfeeding.

If you think any of these 3 suggestions is a good idea, please post your support and or ideas.

thanks
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Septastrum:
Agree, sounds like a good idea.

My other suggestion would be to migrate to mediawiki as it just works nicer and the wiki may be developed more and be easier for noobies to get through!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RizwanKhan:
good idea .. but i bet there will still be stupid posts by users who just wana be spoon fed.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] KD8DNS:
TITLE

Im a noob and need help

MESSAGE

You mentioned "spoon fed" how do you do this? can you show me. Is it a .cab and if so how do i install.

Thank you and please don't flame me
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] bengalih:
I agree.

However many of the "senior" or more educated members of the forum seem to get quite upset at these "noob" and/or redundant posts.

There are three ways to handle a post like this:

1) Ignore it

2) Flame it

3) Respond in a helpful manner

Ignoring it works, and it is something ALL OF US NEED TO DO MORE. Remember, if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it at all. (The Internet is encroaching more and more into the realm of real life...it has been shown more than once that bullying someone on line can have legal consequences in real life.). However, ignoring posts won't make them go away either, as there will be more since nothing is being done to educate the user or point future users in the right direction.

Flaming it serves no one any good. Stupid users won't learn, and if flaming makes you feel better, just remember you are taking up just as much (or more) of the forum resources and wasting just as much time flaming a worthless or uneducated post. Remember, fighting on the Internet is like competing in the special olympics. Even if you win, you are still retarded (no offense meant to the special olympics, or mentally challenged individuals...I have just always found this statement funny...and true).

Responding in a helpful manner should be the way to go if you choose not to ignore it. But, a helpful manner does not mean spoon feeding. Remember, "Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish; and you have fed him for a lifetime." Proactive responses such as sticky's and announcments do the most to this effect.

As a "forum" in the classical sense, this should be a place for thought and discussion. However, it is also a gathering place for the masses. The leaders of the society should strive to educate and elucidate. However this can't be done on an individual level for every single post.

No man is an island either and to be part of the greater continent that is XDA-DEVELOPERS they need to have a modicum of intellect insofar that they know how to navigate an internet site.

I would feel better knowing that we have made ALL the resources available to the masses. This way we don't need to feel bad about ignoring any posts that we deem are ignorant.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] boomermax:
I'm sure you have all heard the old saying about the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results....

Rather than attempt to dispel "NOOB" queries by means such as WIKIs,FAQs and the like which clearly have proven futile, it would make more sense to come up with a method of allowing such queries in a manner that doesn't encroach on the sense of ownership of the forum that seems to prevail amongst the senior members.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ehollins:
As stated to you before but I'm stating so that more people can see it, I completely agree with this.

Also as you know, I have gone from newb to somewhat experienced almost solely through this site and I'll work on the bold part above this week and weekend. Here is my 1st attempt at it though.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] bengalih:
I'm not sure what the point of stating this is?

We have a new idea...the noob forum. This is in addition to refining the current methods to possibly make them more effective.

What would your method be?

I also don't feel that the senior's assume a sense of ownership. Except to the effect that without them there would be no resources and thus this site wouldn't exist and thus be visited by noobz. I think the sense is more of outrage or incredulity the same as any member of a community would have when it accumulates members who have no concept of how to function in that society.

Don't you think that some people in your community might get a little offput if they had some native tribe move in and walk around naked? Performed drum circles at 2am every night? Dump on the lawns?

It is about community upkeep, and you don't have to be a senior to do it. In fact, some seniors may be counter productive. It is about being knowledgeable of your surroundings and willing to learn the rules to properly assimilate.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] RizwanKhan:
i love ur writing style bengalih :) ur posts are always so perfectly composed
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] traumadoc:
I agree as well

I am not new to the forum because I have been lurking in the shadows for a while and have not posted anything as of yet but I have to totally agree with this request as I think that it is a great idea.I know that it would help me out a lot and feel that it would help others out as well.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] bengalih:
I also just wanted to post this private message I got from a user:

(empahsis added by me)

I hope you senior/educated members take to heart comments like this and realize that although this isn't rocket science there are still many educated individuals that don't know where to start. Even after a user RTFM (which this user apparently did some), there is obviously a gap to get them to the next level.

We have to accept that this has become a place for the PPC masses and we can either ignore the pleas for help or do something to assist in the long term.

On the flip-side to you noobs... don't get over your head. You don't buy a junker or a tuner if you're not a mechanic, and you don't try to paint the Mona Lisa if you're just a dilletante. If you are in a position where you can't understand things even after hours of research you may want to get your feet wet in something else (like a basic computer class), or you can always buy from Apple :). This stuff isn't for everyone, and unfortunately nothing we do will make it so.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] boomermax:
First off I began writing the previously posted comment prior to your well spoken post above.

The ownership I spoke of was reference to the few senior members that feel a need to reply to every single post by redundantly pointing out the redundancy of others.

My suggestion was to avoid the attempt of "pre-answering" all possible questions. It can't be done.

Nor is it reasonable to expect all knowledge to exist on the same level. Take the analogy of communities that you spoke of (which I agreed with up until you equated elemental levels of knowledge with pooping on one's lawn).

Within all successful communities you have an acknowledged and agreed upon division of areas of education.

In other words 1st graders don't sit in the same classroom as upperclassmates...

...nor do upperclassmates refuse to graduate.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Valtamr:
I think the idea of a noob forum sounds good, and I believe it would help separate many of the redundant posts in the general forum.......but at the same time, if those posts are separated so as not to bother the more experienced people from having to sort through them, then who is going to help them? Would we have noobs answering other noobs? I'm afraid we would end up with the blind leading the blind.

By that same token, if the experienced users decided to venture into the noob forum to help them....then separating the posts for the sake of not having to wade through them seems somewhat counter-productive.

Don't take any of this as a negative. I think putting together a collection of noob resources is a good idea, and creating a noob forum may be as well......I'm just trying to weigh the benefits with the potential problems it could cause.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ChumleyEX:
I am probley the top flamer (IMO) and sometimes I flame and sometimes not. Mostly I flame people who you can honestly see from the question that they didn't look for anything. If I can find the answer in 5 minutes and you claim to have spent days, then I know you didn't search. As to the person that has read and still doesn't understand, please post. Most of the time those people come out and explain things in their question so that you can tell they actually have an understanding.

Asking a specific question about a step or a method in an educated manor is far better then say, I Are noob, what software should I install, oh and can someone literally hold my hand while I flash this rom on my phone.

If you're willing to educate yourself then it shows.

I know that I was nervous and a little scared before I flashed for the first time. I was on edge the whole time, but I knew I read over the instructions over and over.. I have read them again and again and I just don't see where the mistakes happen.

I will provide support if you need it, but you don't need it if the answer is right there, 3 posts down or if it's a well known thing.

Oh I wonder if you could keep that forum from registering in the search function.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] bengalih:
Agreed. Although I stand by my "pooping" comment :). The fact is that all of those levels of knowledge may be perfectly acceptable in some communities, but totally unacceptable in others (ok ok, granted not too many poop on their lawns...but not that far off.).

I think you are right that we can't answer all questions, but we can try. I think if we can teach the fundamentals, and then a lower classman learns those he should be able to synthesize most of the remaining elements.

For what they can't extract from their learnings, they can ask a question on. After all, most of the info passed around here isn't new, it is synthesized and rehashed in different forms applicable to a particular issue.

I don't think we can get rid of the basic posts, the "I am a noob posts", the didn't search for this first post. But I do think putting them in another question would help.

I know it has been suggested before, and I don't know if it is possible (I have been on other forums that can do this....) But it would be great if we could limit posting to the noob forum for the first 2 weeks of someone's membership.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] bengalih:
I address this here
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] bengalih:
I think you are far from the worst Chumley...but as a genuine question:

Why do you feel the need to flame? Why not just ignore the post?

I am not stating this rhetorically to be preachy. I am asking to figure out how we can eliminate it.

Personally I sometimes want to flame back a flamer just for contributing something just as worthless as the original post, but I refrain.

I mean, if someone came into the ROM Development forum and posted "I am a NOOB, how can I please to update my phone!!!" I would expect and even welcome the flames there. If we have to terrify the users to know their place then that's ok...the second part of that though is we NEED TO GIVE THEM A PLACE TO PUT THEM IN! That's why I think a noob forum might help.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] boomermax:
But isn't that really the point that's being refused to be acknowledged?

This is the noob forum. Senior members who have already acquired the "upper" levels of knowledge are begrudgingly noticing that not every day is a day of discovery like before and are being faced with the choice of becoming teachers or finding other sources of higher knowledge.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] bengalih:
I'm not sure of your statement of "This is the noob forum"

Are you suggesting that either the "General" forum or XDA-developers in general is now for noobz?

I would whole-heartedly disagree with the latter. As for the former, General is not meant for noobz, it is meant for anything that doesn't fit in the other 3 forums (e.g, not about ROM development, not about an accessory, not about a specific piece of software).

I don't want to keep stressing the name of the site is "XDA-Developers." Just because it may be bombarded by power users or noobz, shouldn't diminish the function of the site. If the attitude starts to become "This is where noobz should be" then I think you are going to see some real problems. The least of which is that if you piss off the seniors, they WILL go somewhere else and this site will become meaningless.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ChumleyEX:
well I suppose it comes from many things. As a child I was bullied and now I find myself in a situation of assumed power. Or, I feel that because spent the time to educate myself, through all the grulling threads, I have the right to do it. And like a drill Sergent , I will not be nice about teaching you to fish.

Man I gotta work on my rep.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] bengalih:
Good self-psychoanalysis :)

Just realize that for all those reasons you mention, noobz have reasons that are just as pointless that causes them to post meaningless, redundant threads.

Although you may realize these reasons and still do what you do, they will do the same.

By choosing to participate you are just feeing the cycle.

Have you noticed that a thread which gets flamed often will garner at least one response that answers the original question? Therefore the OPs question gets answered and they HAVEN'T LEARNED TO FISH.

If instead the post was ignored, it probably would dissapear into obscurity and the OP would never get their question answered. This might cause them to re-examine their methods and do the proper research on their own.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] boomermax:
You're right... it shouldn't. Probably shouldn't have made it public either but it was...

It's not so much about where they should be.... it's where they are and that can't be undone short of shutting it down and restricting membership.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ChumleyEX:
bump" Bump
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Dr. Strangelove:
(If you don't like to read all of this, read key keywords)

Personally I don't think opening a "noob" section will be helpfull in the end. Given the amount of noob questions, I think there is something fundamentally wrong. That will not be solved by opening a new section. It would signal to new users that they can ask whatever questions they have there.

If you really want to put a stop to most of the redundant posts, we have to make this all more 'noob-friendly'. (I will presume people asking redundant question are people who sincerely tried looking for the answer before posting it). I think many first time users just don't know were to look.

Using the (google) search function doesn't show up results from the Wiki. Though that is perfectly normal and should stay that way, it isn't helpfull to noobs. Many of their question are answered in the wiki. Reading the wiki obviously is the best place to start, but some people don't seems to think of it.

In my opinion, the Wiki might have a lot to do with the redundant posts. The Wiki doens't really feel that intuitive. Furthermore, it doesn't always follow the rules of logic. When you enter the Wiki main page, you first get a list of the devices and only then FAQ, acronyms, generals guide. First timers will instictivly go to the Wiki section of their phone and not to the general information provided at the bottom.

Since the forum is where all the action is, noobs will go to their section first. If you go to the www.xda-developers.com site, you have no idea were to go as a noob. I think a lot can be improved here accomodate the noobs. There they should get an idea of what to do first and not to do on the site.

This will not stop some people from saying they have searched when they clearly haven't. But I think we can do a lot better at helping noobs on their way to enlightenment.

What do you guys think?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] P1Tater:
Might I suggest that this discussion would have been better suited in

THIS

thread. Especially since most of it has been discussed before. Also it was started by one of the forums distinguised members that became a mod.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] bengalih:
That's exactly what it will signal, and that is what is intended for. Give the new users a section to post what they want and not be scared to do it. Let newer members help each other out. I would love to read a post by a new user to another new user that says:

"Hey you might want to check this GWENI thread out"

Also, as stated, there are plenty of senior members who will stroll through to help out. It is also a FLAME OFF zone, let the human torches stay away.

How do you suggest we point them where to look? I think posts at the very top of the forum which say "READ THIS FIRST. GUIDE. and WIKI" are pretty good indicators. Though I agree these need to be linked from the general forum.

Yes, but a general google search does turn up results from all over the site. That is part of the problem. Many users don't see the home page as their first exposure to this site. Making the frontpage more navigable may be a good thing, but I don't think it will solve these issues.

I don't disagree with some redesign of the Wiki. With so much content keeping things in order can be a real challenge.

But, to be honest, it seems the more information we give, the more it gets disregarded and the more upset some people get since that information is readily available.

I support your ideas, but don't think that it precludes the creation of a noobs section as well. I think that would be a step in the right direction.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] boomermax:
Might I suggest this one?

http://www.neuroticplanet.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9406
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] P1Tater:
LOL, I like that one.:D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] bengalih:
There certainly were some good suggestion in that thread, but ultimately it didn't do anything, which is why it has gone for more than a month with no posts.

In addition to the good ideas Alex gave, I am suggesting the Noobz section.

All due respect to _Alex_ and the mods, but it doesn't appear that past initiatives have gotten results, and I am just suggesting something new. In addition, I'm not really the one to come up with this idea, but I think it would help.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] P1Tater:
No, please don't misunderstand my post. What I was saying is that maybe, if that thread was brought back to life, it would get some more attention and something might get done about the issue this thread is about. Trust me, I do understand. I, for one, do quite a bit of flaming. However, I do just as much, if not more helping. When I flame someone it is two fold. 1. In good fun, 99% of the time, thus the :D or :). 2. When it is quite obvious to everyone, or at least myself, that a simple "search" would have yielded the answers the poster was looking for. I was flamed extensively when I first started and have made friends with the ones that flamed me. If it wasn't for them, I wouldn't be able to do the things that I can now. They taught me by flaming me and forcing me to search. If someone has thin skin, then maybe this forum isn't for them. Most of it is done in good fun. Or at least that's the way I take it.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] bengalih:
Understood... though a new thread will just as likely get the same attention. My guess is that the mods don't really have the ability to change anything as _Alex_ was for a bunch of changes that haven't really gotten done yet. I'm sure if he's around he will see this and post any updates to this thread or his original one.

I think that's true of the Internet in general, and I'm ok with an occassional ribbing for fun. It seems to me that 70% of posts to flame are just for the sake of making fun of someone or letting out some aggression. Perhaps the majority of the site doesn't want things fixed because they would have no excuse to flame.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] bengalih:
An excellent analogy. I think that it needs to be clear to all users WHO this forum is for. It is FOR the developers/hackers/tweakers.

We don't mind lurkers, and we will gladly offer assistance if you need some and don't fall into these above categories. BUT, you need to respect the original purpose of the community.

Just because noobs come here, and we try to offer them support does not mean that we are turning over the keys to the kingdom for their free reign.

There needs to be a distinction in the forums between those two types of users. They DO need to be put in their place, and we need to give them this place.

I have nothing against noobz, we were all once one oursleves and depended on other for assistance. However there needs to be a better way to serve disparate segments of the population.

By the same rationale, even a senior member shouldn't be asking a "hey what is a good expense application?" in the ROM Development forum and, in general, they don't...because they respect what goes where.