yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Original Android Development] DB126:
Nope. Certainly wouldn't go the Substratum route given likely side effects. In the end theme isn't make/break proposition; is what it is (at least for me).
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Original Android Development] Grauchi:
OK, got it.

Cheers!
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Original Android Development] divinehawk:
Nevermind, found the other thread.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Original Android Development] nate911:
Thanks for the great ROM.

Any one tried running Amazon Alexa on the tablet? Keeps on crashing on opening, any tips would be great.

Thanks
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Original Android Development] Amelios:
Has anyone had issues with passing SafetyNet lately? Did a fresh install of the latest build and magisk last night, and am failing both SafetyNet checks.

edit: Forgot to hide Magisk... All good now.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Original Android Development] ransack:
It comes with the ROM, I believe, unless it's part of gapps (pretty sure it isn't). It was just there after I flashed
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Original Android Development] ameeno:
Hello, i did not have this in my rom, so Maybe it was Gapps? which Gapps did you use as I usually use Pico.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Original Android Development] Xinto:
That's an absolute BS (pardon my French), Dolby Atmos is clearly not a part of gapps. There are modules for Dolby Atmos available on XDA which require Magisk or TWRP
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Original Android Development] ransack:
Never mind, I was wrong. I flashed a file called dap_r6.5.zip which I found here on xda that enabled Dolby Atmos. This fixed the volume issues I had, if I recall correctly. https://xdaforums.com/devdb/project/dl/?id=13100

Here's a link to the discussion about it https://xdaforums.com/android/apps-games/mod-dolby-atmos-t3109446
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Original Android Development] cRaZy-bisCuiT:
What are the known bugs for this ROM? Is the performance OK and no battery drain?

PS: Thank you Kaijones23 for this ROM! Do you think LOS 17.1 would be possible in the future?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Original Android Development] AlienTechnology:
Thanks everyone in this forum and of course the OP.

I noticed today, that the audio is in fact not as loud on the Fire HD 8 vs Fire 7, which I also have lineage.

So today I did what many did on this forum is delete AudioFX and installed dolby audio instead, this helped a lot, I suggest everyone do this, I wrote a little guide for myself, so I figured I share it as it's a little involved and might as well take care of a couple other things along the way.

Download latest magisk (currently 20.4) from https://github.com/topjohnwu/Magisk

And download/install terminal app from google play: termux

Reboot to Recovery, (I always wipe cache/dalvik) Install Magisk.zip, wipe again, Reboot back to Lineage. (first boot may take awhile don't panic just yet)

If magisk manager not there install it, download apk from github current (7.5.1)

Run magisk, check the box to hide it, also I repackage it with another name, like MManger just in case.

Download modules:* debloat , magiskhide props and busybox

Reboot Lineage.

Run Termux, type su

type debloat

Delete from #2 System Priv-Apps: AudioFX (#1 on my system)

CM Audio Service (#7 in my system)

Reboot device, confirm by going back in (same termux/su/debloat) (See if it was deleted, it should be, but just in case)

Reboot into Recovery again, install the R6.5.zip (Dolby)but first I delete cache/dalvik first and then again after installed, reboot back to lineage.

Confirm in Termux/Debloat installed under #1 properly dolby atmos/service then exit

Termux, run su,

run "props" in Termux

Change fingerprint to # that is walmart, Onn 8

exit

After confirm using Magisk if it passes the SafetyNet check

I also Hide magisk from individual apps like zoom.

At this point I install Youtube vanced, from the downloads section in Magisk and reboot.

The End. Since my kids use this tablet I disable auto play next video in youtube vanced under settings and disable background play or when they fall asleep the tablet would be out of battery sooner then it has too.

Again thanks to everyone here, especially to links I refer to below:

https://xdaforums.com/hd8-hd10/orig-development/lineageos-14-1-fire-hd8-2018-t3936242/page25

https://xdaforums.com/apps/magisk/module-magiskhide-props-config-t3789228

https://xdaforums.com/hd8-hd10/orig...tall-all-types-bloatware-any-android-0196667/

https://xdaforums.com/crossdevice-d...-themes-and-apps/dolby-atmos-devices-t3320468

https://android.gadgethacks.com/how-to/best-way-uninstall-all-types-bloatware-any-android-0196667/

Thanks Xinto, I didn't realize Magisk Youtube Vanced was outdated, I'll be sure to update using:

https://xdaforums.com/android/apps-games/app-youtube-vanced-edition-t3758757
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Original Android Development] Xinto:
Not really to the topic but Magisk YouTube Vanced version is outdated so you should probably use newest one (15.54.05)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Original Android Development] AlienTechnology:
Thanks again Xinto,

Just to let others know, I had to use the legency version of youtube vanced as the default arch, gives error, that's it's not compatible with device.

Working well, also if others have problems with gmail, crashing after installing Magisk, just delete it and reinstall from the google play store, then it works fine.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Original Android Development] Utoixx:
"Change fingerprint to # that is walmart, Onn 8

exit"

I don't understand and how to do that, Can you be slower?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Original Android Development] Xinto:
You quoted wrong post mate.

To change fingerprint you need a magisk props module, when you flash it and reboot, you'll need some kind of terminal emulator (I use termux). You need to obtain super user rights in terminal by typing

su

in it. Then just type

props

and you'll see a module menu, from that choose fingerprint change and choose Walmart Onn 8
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Original Android Development] adamr7747:
Thanks Kaijones23 for this excellent work :)

I'm experiencing one slight niggle though :( I've installed this on two HD 8s (with Pico gapps ARM 7.1 220420 & Magisk 20.4) and both are showing exactly the same issue: After a few minutes of being on, they show an error "Google has stopped". The diagnostic information reports it as in googlequicksearchbox. I can provide more info from there if it helps. After a while the error changes to "Google keeps stopping". Apart from the error messages there's nothing obvious going wrong, though I haven't used the tablets extensively as I'm just in the process of setting them up.

Anyone got any ideas what I might have done wrong or how to resolve it?

Thanks a lot,

Adam
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Original Android Development] DB126:
Try clearing contacts storage in settings. Yep, know it sounds weird but only takes a second to try and has no adverse side effects.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Original Android Development] adamr7747:
Thanks. I tried that. It has seemed to increase the time before I get the error :) , but it's still happening :( . The errors are sometimes synchronised between the tablets as well!
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Original Android Development] Michajin:
Not sure if your issue is google related, or a launcher issue (search bar related?). I have installed 15.1 for karnak and it seems highly stable. Just for thoughts...
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Original Android Development] ppog:
How is battery drain on 15 compared to this?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Original Android Development] Michajin:
About the same, although with Android 8.1 WiFi sleep policy is harder to change. (Sleepywifi-app works) I turn off WiFi on it when not using it and get days out if it. But overall the ROM is very good.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Original Android Development] Scooterthedude:
14.1 gets way more battery life. My son plays a lot of games. 14.1 lasted around 12 hours or more. 15.1 lasted around 7 hours or less while doing the same. Both run very good with out much problem. Use latest magisk stable with latest gaps pico. We liked the changes in 15.1 but with the screen crashing issue and sd card using as internal issue my son said go back to the old one. Kids are kids. Hope this helps.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Original Android Development] musa83:
Does anyone have issue with low sound ROM Lineage 14.1

Thank you!
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Original Android Development] luniz7:
Do this.

[ROM][unlocked][karnak] Lineage-14.1 [11 FEB 2020]

https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink/to...d.php?p=82264447&share_type=t&link_source=app
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Original Android Development] musa83:
Hello everybody!

I still have the issue with low sound and microphone.. maybe i need a better ROM?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Original Android Development] DB126:
If you can find a "better" ROM for this device then by all means install it!
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Original Android Development] luniz7:
[ROM][unlocked][karnak] Lineage-14.1 [11 FEB 2020]

I literally quoted the directions on how to fix the low sound...
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Original Android Development] musa83:
I deleted AudioFX but still i have low sound
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Original Android Development] Kaijones23:
[ROM][unlocked][karnak] Lineage-14.1 [11 FEB 2020]

Can you look at the post above?

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[ROM][unlocked][karnak] Lineage-14.1 [11 FEB 2020]

https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink/to...ad.php?t=3936242&share_type=t&link_source=app
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Original Android Development] musa83:
I had in mind from the Lineage ROM 14, 15, 16.. with minimum bugs

Thank you for understanding!
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Original Android Development] Kaijones23:
Lineage 16.0 is stable now and you can use it there is no low sound.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Original Android Development] musa83:
Thank you for advising, i definitely will try
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Original Android Development] blaze2051:
does this build support wifi direct miracast or screen mirroring for Fire HD 8?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Original Android Development] Kaijones23:
It supports chrome cast mirroring
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Original Android Development] glate:
small suggestion - could you please update the thread title? March 25 is far better than Feb 11 and it's not obvious there's a new release at first glance :)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Original Android Development] crashnburnMDA:
So I am debating between what to do with my Kindle Fire HD 8 (Bought Winter 2019):

- Full on Lineage/ Android ROM variants - Then add things..

vs

- Fire OS +/- additons hacks part of Toolkits etc.

Might even want to TRY BOTH / SWITCH between.

Primary concern is being able to Backup & Restore GRANULARLY "Between the above two" ? How would it be possible? What Tools etc?

E.g. One of my primary goals for Fire HD 8 is to use it

1: as an Ebook Reader via something like Moon Reader + Calibre Stuff

2: Audio/ Video player for bed time (or Travel) ( To avoid my iPhone and its NOTIFICATIONS and MINIMIZE night time STIMULUS)

3: Quick Smart Light etc Control

Kind of like a limited "niche function" device for LAZY/ QUICK use secondary device

other than my Laptop/ PC on my Desk or iPhone as primary devices.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Original Android Development] DB126:
Unlock and install TWRP for full backup/recovery capability. As for the rest it's personal preference seasoned with how much time/effort you want to invest. I have devices configured both ways. More often than not I hang with (rooted/unlocked) stock with a lite touch on mods.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Original Android Development] Deathwing00:
Image takes forever to download from this canada mirror...
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Original Android Development] crashnburnMDA:
1. Thanks for the guidance.

2. TWRP seems to be Android based - Does it replace Stock Fire OS? Or adds by its SIDE or WITHIN?

3. I was hoping/ thinking/ wondering that a Windows based Tool that gave GRANULAR control over back ups & restore for **Apps/ AppData & System Settings (import / export with fine control)** would be "the way" for people who OFTEN/ FREQUENTLY switch & jump between ROMs and/ or Devices??

Wondering?

4a. When you say "personal preference" are you referring to OSes/ ROMs or Backup Tools & their Granularities?

4b. Configured both ways i.e. Stock Fire OS w some "+/-" stuff vs Pure Lineage/ Android - thats what you mean?

5. I was considering the rooted/ unlocked as well, but seeing that some folks found Fire OS faster for their kids after SUBTRACTING stuff AND similar I'd actually like to DO a COMPARE (since I have only ONE Fire HD, i'll have to do some switcharoo's - hence the granular backup to not lose stuff while I may go back & forth or not.

Is there something that would facilitate such Switcharoo mood?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Original Android Development] DB126:
You are asking basic questions and obviously have little to no experience in the relevant topics. That is NOT critism (stow the swords); rather a relevant and important observation.

Save yourself considerable aggravation as you learn the ropes. Stick with FireOS and use the Amazon toolbox to tweak experience where necessary. Your kids (or grandma) won't care what ROM is loaded; they just want a gizmo that works reliably with their favorite material. Keep it simple, remember the audience, only do things that truely add value. Good luck.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Original Android Development] crashnburnMDA:
I have no kids or grandma - just trying to test both sides without losing "my stuff" while I switcharoo between. I know how to do it in iOS and Windows etc. Just new to Android devices. Just need to be pointed to right tools/ guides to START with.

I can understand what you might be thinking here.. Let me share.. I have a background in doing device driver programming & hacking from my student days. Been using tech and iOS jailbreaking and working in various Linux shells for long time.

Been using VMs & Hypervisors since when people did not know what they were.. I've installed OSX86 on H-intoshes for years.

Multi booting OSes, Daisy chain bootloaders etc.

I've even edited Partition Tables on Server SCSI drives bit by bit to recover crashed ones.

So I hope you understand that your replying to the above NUMBERED questions will not be wasted.

PS: But, I have largely lived in iPhone land so I am asking questions which form a Quick Primer on Android for a Power user/ techie - I just did not have an Android device ever, so did not play with all its ECOSYSTEM toolspace "hands on".

PS: My Handle MDA comes from joining XDA during the MDA / HTC Windows mobile days. Just moved to an iPhone when my HTC Excalibur SDA and MDA both cracked open during unfortunate accidents.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Original Android Development] DB126:
Very well.

#2 - TWRP lives in a separate partition (typically called recovery) or can be booted from a host platform such as Windows connected via USB or other means. Although generally catering to Android devices TWRP has little relationship to the ROM that resides in the system partition whether that be FireOS, Lineage or something else. TWRP can perform basic maintenance such as backups of various partitions, installs (called 'flashing'), crude formatting operations, file management, etc. Think of it as the console interface on some of the servers and appliances you may have used in the past.

#3 TWRP does not offer granular control. You'll want to use a dedicated, file based backup/recover tool for that such as Titanium. That said, jumping between ROMs is a fairly easy provided you accept the premise of full partition backups/restores - typically only the system and data partitions on devices w/o a mobile radio (eg: WiFi tablet vs phone).

#4a OS/ROM

#4b YES

#5 Personal preference. Absent of 'bloatware' (and unfortunate term) FireOS and Lineage are roughly equivalent from a performance perspective. With exception to a few outliers it's eally about the UI which directly impacts the UX for most users. Keep in mind FireOS is customized, arguably optimized, for the hardware vs. Lineage derivatives which reflect a adaptation, typically on a best effort basis by an XDA member, of a generic base image (ROM) that itself is an abstraction of AOSP - otherwise known as 'pure Android'. Feature set and stability are highly variable depending on the capabilities of the maintainer. All else being equal boils down to a blue car / red car discussion tainted by rabid fanboy proclamations that rarely hold up to disciplined scrutiny.

Enjoy your device, practice a lite touch, backup regularly if tinkering and know your recovery strategy before making any major changes. Good luck.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Original Android Development] crashnburnMDA:
2 - Gotcha - TWRP is like a special utility partition (the likes we've seen on many laptops over the years). Though I am curious about the various ways in which it can be booted as you mention.. do link if there's a good writeup / article around this. :D Thanks again and again.

>> So this is like the Partition Managers stuff we've used on x86 / Disk/ Part/ Volume level

3 - I googled "Titanium Android" and lot of variety stuff came up -

Is there a RELIABLE CREDIBLE (new to Android clickbait) article that reviews / compares this Titanium and competing top guns for Backup/Recovery?

>> This would be the non partition/ file based Granular stuff.

5 - Interesting points. :D ha ha! I truly appreciate those insights. Tradeoffs for sure.

That's why I'd like the List of Tools to save stuff MACRO & MICRO, before I play with both variants.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Original Android Development] deathblade200:
if you want a slow performing battery drainer stick with Fire OS (regardless of what people like to claim you can't remove the worst bloatware without causing a bootloop or causing it to use 99% of the cpu constantly as a side effect such as Alexa ) if you want better performance and longer battery life use lineage 14.1
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Original Android Development] DB126:
↑↑ This faux narrative remains largely innaccurate yet continues to be pushed by a small but vocal community. FireOS and surrounding frameworks have strengths and limitations as do other ROMs. Performance and battery life are not inherent deficits in v6 once offend apps are disabled. Same as any other ROM. Individual negative experiences with FireOS do not withstand the reality test.

No doubt there will be a furious response by those seeking to defend the low ground. Stay the course; base decisions on which ROM to use on relevant facts. It is nice to have options.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Original Android Development] DB126:
In general you'll find file based backup/recovery/archive tools for Android to be less prevelant and feature rich than desktop equivalents. Consumers are mainly interested in preserving/syncing personal content such as music and photos. Tools like Google Drive fill that niche nicely.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Original Android Development] formerglory:
This is patently false and is a false narrative as someone else said before me. I have multiple Fire tablets, one running this ROM and others running rooted stock. The stock Fire OS has far better battery once you disable a few of the Amazon apps, and doesn't have issues like Wifi refusing to work if Bluetooth isn't disabled.

There are far more quirks with LOS than the stock Fire OS ROM, by far. While I love and appreciate the efforts that all the devs do, let's not dump on Fire OS needlessly. Out of the box, it's bloated, but with a few ADB commands (that don't even need root), it becomes a significantly better experience.

I have two Fire HD 10 tablets running stock ROMs, the 2017 and 2019, both with root. They last for DAYS on a stock ROM with most of the Amazon apps easily disabled.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Original Android Development] deathblade200:
not only is your statement made inaccurate based on the fact your not even using the same device or even same rom as I am (lineage is of course going to vary in performance and battery life based on device and developer) but you and devil boy (especially him he has such a hard on for Fire OS) seem to love to ignore the fact you can't remove the worse bloatware such as Alexa without it causing worse issues. Lineage on my Fire HD 8 lasts days as well and has far superior performance in everything from loading apps to playing games and even emulators have much better performance. when I first got my Fire I tried the whole remove all bloatware thing and removed everything possible without causing issues. then I tried lineage and saw its FAR superior performance especially when I was using TWRP to go between them to make sure I copied every app I had over to Lineage. hell even watching videos on youtube/xfinity/prime video/mx player etc Lineage lasts me a day on full brightness (anybody who claims they can get more than a day on any rom with the screen on is just lying out their ass) while Fire OS was lucky to get around 7-8 hours. so I really wish people would stop acting like Fire OS is something that it isn't
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Original Android Development] DB126:
Sigh - seen this show before: data point = 1, my world is word, everyone else is wrong. Savvy readers know better than to consume this BS at face value.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Original Android Development] crashnburnMDA:
Yes but general consumers are not the crowd who frequent XDA etc (for Android) or Jailbreaking forums (for iPhone). I am not trying for Windows desktop equivalent but

iPhone extension equivalent tools for Android (I figure there'd be more).

e.g. iMazing allows FULL or Selective App backups - App Data etc.

If Jailbroken, there are tools for App Data backup & restore.

Hence, I am trying to get recos for "best bunch" of tools & strategy to do so.

Appreciate the insight and I'd be more than willing to do a Back & Forth for a while to see what works best for me.

And I'd really appreciate your insight on what tools or steps you used to granularly "back up" from FireOS and "restore/ transfer" to your Lineage. Some inputs on that would really help me play with both as you have done before and reach first hand conclusion.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Original Android Development] deathblade200:
TWRP is what I used to backup the roms and Titanium backup is the best way to backup and restore apps but it can't backup all apps properly such as magisk so I went back and forth to make sure I had all the modules and files for it as well as any init.d files, sysctl changes etc (mostly done with any root file explorer)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Original Android Development] DB126:
Consumer demand drives development as that's where the money is (ie: paid apps). As noted, TWRP for partition level backups which is all I need for most work. Data syncing tools such as Drive protect important personal data. I use ADB or a flash drive to capture/copy files that fall outside the capabilities of those tools. Native android backup (used with ADB) is also a powerful tool but Google kept messing with operational requirements over various Android versions; got tired of messing with it.

You'll also want to invest in a good file manager, preferably with cloud connect capabilities. I use FX but there a several fine choices in this arena.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Original Android Development] idontkn1:
There is tons of stuff out there. The way to back up the full os is TWRP. The way to back up individual apps is either titanium or migrate. Although because of permission issues neither one is absolutely perfect. If you have questions about any of those please go to those individual forums.

Figure out the 10 or 15 apps that you're going to use primarily on your tablet and test those out on both fire and lineage and see which one you like better. Until you play around with the individual roms and decide which one you like best and which one works best with your apps you aren't going to know. It's not like this is your primary phone that cost you 1000 dollars. It's a 50 dollar tablet. There isn't a better way to get introduced into the world of custom ROMs in Android. If you mess up it's no big deal if you have to put it down for a couple of days and start from scratch.