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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] MikesDroid:
My radio testing....1.65.21.18, 1.65.14.06, and 1070.18.02 [More coming]

I live in the NY / NJ area and will be testing a lot of diff radios. I picked up a 2 GB SD card just so I can switch on the fly. I have a Tilt running ROMeOS v4.5.3 w/ AT*T service. So far these are my results:

1.65.21.18 - I couldn't wait to get this radio off my phone. It absolutely CRUSHED my battery life, E, 3G, and H were WAY less than acceptable, and the GPS lock was sparse, if at all (sometimes I would wait for 10-15 min before giving up). The phone also had some heat issues. Phone reception was fine though. 1.5/5.

1.65.14.06 - This was a big step up from 1.65.21.18. The battery life was better, but still not what I really wanted (but I could have lived with it). The E, 3G, and H were faster as well, but not that great either. The GPS lock was improved as well, but it still took a decent amount of time (3-10 min). I did however find that the phone reception was not as good as 1.65.21.18. In my basement where my phone always worked but had between 1-2 bars at all times, would lose service a lot, and I dropped a lot of calls. This was the #1 reason why I switched. 3/5

1.71.09.01 EMO - So far this has been hands down the best radio. Phone reception is better than the others, and the E, 3G, and H speeds are the best as well. Cold GPS lock time immediately following a hard reset was amazing. It took about 40 sec - 1 minute. GPS lock after running Quick GPS is literally seconds. So far battery life seems to be the best of the 3 as well. I will continue to test and update. 5/5 so far
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] AllTheWay:
Thanks for the great review in your area.

I would also try the 1.70.18.02 radio and see how that compares to the EMO radio.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] alkapone02:
My experiences with 1.70.18.02 versus 1.58.25.17(neon):

I think these two radios are the best for battery life.

Still I'm testing battery life 1.70.18.02 (for 3 days) and still don't know exactly if it is better than 1.58 (neon).

PS: EMO isn't good in battery life for me...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] msharaf:
My testing

I just won't to share my experience with you

I was stuck with 1.65.20.29 for a long time as it was the best with battery drain but I suffered from noise, echo, and communication interruptions in my area.

Then I moved to 1.71.09.01 which is amazing in everything except battery life. I had no noise no echo nor interruptions at all. GPS was excellent as well.

Then I tried 1.70.18.02 which I consider a compromise between the previous two radio Roms. It has an excellent reception and GPS but not as good as 1.71. The battery life is the BEST ever (2.5 mins talking for 1%) that's why I decided to keep it.

ATW,

kindly add 1.70.18.02 Rom to your voting list.

Thanks
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] adoute:
Thought I'd share the results of my radio testing so far...

Most results are subjective, GPS and data speeds have been tested more objectively.

All testing was done in and around the Detroit, MI Metro area. Typical AT&T 3G / H market, good coverage, but drops off sharply in the smaller cities.

1.65.20.29 - I only used this radio for about a day. The battery drain was amazing - 25% in about 2 hours, normal to light usage. GPS lock times were 2 to 2 1/2 minutes cold, around 1 min warm/hot. GPS location accuracy was terrible - often off by 150 - 200 yards, GPS location constantly moving around while the phone stayed in a fixed location. Voice calls were fine, data speeds were the same as the stock AT&T WM6.0 ROM.

1.71.09.01 - I've used this radio for a few weeks. Battery life seems to be the best of the three radio's I've tried. 8 hours of fairly constant use (voice, data, GPS, daughter playing games) used 60%. GPS lock times are consistent at 2 min (or less) cold, and anywhere from instant to 45 seconds warm/hot. Location accuracy is decent - occasionally off by 50 - 100 yards. The reported location did jump around occasionally, but not nearly as bad as the 1.65 radio I tried. Data speeds are slightly faster than the stock AT&T WM6.0 ROM / Radio, and very consistent. Signal strength is very good, and quick to re-establish a lost signal (my house has areas of bad / no reception). This radio holds a signal much longer in a weak area than the 1.65 radio. This is definitely a great radio for the Detroit, MI area.

1.70.18.02 - I've used this radio for a few days, and will definitely be keeping it for at least another few days. Battery life seems to be the same as the 1.71 radio, possibly SLIGHTLY worse. GPS performance is better. Cold lock times have never been longer than 2 minutes, warm lock times are similar to the 1.71 radio - instant to 15 seconds, typically. Location accuracy seems to be better than 1.71 radio - rarely off more than 25 yards, drift has not been an issue yet. Data speeds are the same or faster than the 1.71 radio. Signal strength seems to be stronger than the 1.71 radio, however, this radio drops to E quicker than the 1.71 radio. It also drops a weak signal faster than the 1.71 radio, but is quick to pick it back up. A couple more days of testing are needed.

So far, of the three radios, I'm undecided between the 1.70 and the 1.71. I spend quite a bit of time in a couple 'fringe' areas, and 1.71 seems to hold a weak signal better than 1.70. If 'fringe' areas were not a concern for me, I'd be sticking with 1.70. The ability to manage weak signals will most likely be the determining factor (for me) between 1.70 and 1.71.

Thanks to all who contribute to this site - I've learned so much from all of you.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] fversteegen:
Tried 1.71.09.01 EMO KAISER (in Netherlands, provider T-mobile) but the sound of calls is passed a few seconds too late (so I miss the name of the person who is calling). Really annoying!

Going to try 1.65.24.36 now.

EDIT: 1.65.24.36 does not give me the dialing tone (when you dial a number). Going to try 1.64.08.21 now...

EDIT 2: 1.64.08.21 is really terrible! Phone hangs as soon as a call is received... Trying 1.70.18.02 now...

EDIT 3: 1.70.18.02 works, but has the same problem as 1.71.09.01... 1.58.25.17 is the next one to try...

EDIT 4: Couldn't get it to work with Hyper Dragon III, so installed Dutty's WM6.1 Hybrid v2 5.2.19716/5.2.19700 with 1.65.14.06 and everything is working as smooth as it gets!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] MikesDroid:
I definitely will. I'm taking a road trip up to Cooperstown NY (baseball hall of fame) and then to Niagara Falls this weekend, so cell service will be a very important factor. I'm looking for the best radio before my road trip!!

Great review man, thanks! Maybe somebody can put together some sort of spread sheet or something w/ a general consensus of each radio. The thing is though it will be hard. Diff radios really have different effects in diff areas. A lot of people say that 1.71 radio is tough on battery life, but I think it's great on battery life. Maybe we can make a map....hmmmmmm, maybe I'll start thinking about something like that ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] AllTheWay:
There is actually already a thread about this. The Ultimate RECOMMENDED Radio Thread.

Spreadsheet in the 1st post.

Poll updated. I deleted the 47 votes for the "Other" category.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] MikesDroid:
Perfect. I don't know how this one got by me. I'll be contributing to it. Thanks!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] drtolson:
Hi Mazin.. actually, I don't have an overheating problem with 1.70.18.02 -- it seems to work about the same as 1.65.17.56.

The overheating was with 1.71.09.01. Did you mean to reflash that one twice?

Thanks.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] ramontrotman:
wow!!! i dont know where you found the time to draft this one up but well done!!! this goes in my favorites tab right now!!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] mcmexican:
How do we go about getting this one to become a sticky? I still see threads being created ask questions that this thread answers??

-McMex
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] ceevee369:
1.65.20.29 feedback

That is the one embedded in Shogunmarks superspeed Death V2 Rom.

+ Good and stable reception (here on the Rock -but who cares :D )

+ long battery life

- a pain in the budd for GPS usage. Cold starts might take 2-3 minutes if not longer and warm start even 30-60 sec.

PS, it might be great if some columns could be added in the WIKI like a SWOT analyses without having to read hundreds of threads.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] AllTheWay:
I have been trying to update the 4th post of this thread with users comments and there locations. Thanks for providing feed back.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] redbandana:
My experience with this radio was almost the complete opposite.

-poor battery life

-reception went from 2 bars to none while it was in the same place. Since I've flashed that radio about two days ago(which attributes to the poor battery life)

-Every 1.65 radio I have tried has been excellent at receiving quick gps fix today after a soft reset less than a 2 second fix.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] ATnTdude:
3G performance for various Kaiser radios

Just some reviews of radios I've tried. I live in Chicago, and am entirely covered by 3G and use HSDPA extensively. I rarely connect/use to GSM or EDGE data, and with HSDPA I never have a need for WiFi. I don't use the GPS regularly enough to give results for the various radios, some of them I only used for 24-36 hours and reflashed before I had to take a trip. So, no data for that either. Basically, this is just a 3G performance breakdown, it will NOT give you insight into anything else. However, I've NEVER seen a review of 3G performance in any thread, so this should be helpful for others. Chicago is a prototypical AT&T 3G market, with HSDPA 3.6 on the 1900MHz PCS band and GSM largely on 850MHZ with some filler also on PCS. Most AT&T 3G markets have a similar setup, so your mileage may vary but should be similar. I'll edit this post as I try more radios.

Polaris 1.58.21.23 Poor standby; expect 2 days with light usage, 1 day with moderate use.(2/5) Poor active drain expect 2 hours of HSDPA or calling (2/5). Average call quality, no artifacts, a little echo voices a little warm and fuzzy (3/5). Good reception, it gets signal where it should (5/5).

Polaris 1.58.25.14: Best standby of any radio (5/5). Could probably go 4-5 days with minimal usage. Horrible life when in active usage (1/5). 2-3 hours of HSDPA will kill the battery even in good coverage. Good reception (5/5). Call quality was loud and clear, but echoed sometimes.

Kaiser 1.58.26.20 Great standby (4/5). Good active drain. 4-5 hours of HSDPA and calls with average reception. (4/5) Great call quality, clear voice and no echo, a little low on volume (4/5). Good reception (5/5). Current radio.

Kaiser 1.64.08.21 Poor standby (2/5) Average active drain with ~3 hours of data or voice. (3/5). Good call quality (4/5). Poor reception, usually gets 1-2 bars less reception than the better radios and is more likely to drop data connection (2/5).

Kaiser 1.65.14.06 Standby 2/5. Active 2/5. call quality 3/5 Reception 4/5. Not really recommended. Go with 1.65.20.29 if you have a newer ROM.

Radio From Hell: Similar performance to 1.58.26.20, with what seemed to be a little less battery life. Overall a good all around radio, obvious flaw aside.

Kaiser 1.65.20.29: Similar performance to Radio from Hell, which was again almost as good as 1.58.26.20. Didn't have it long enough to test as thoroughly as some of the others. I'd still recommend it as THE 1.65 radio for AT&T customers.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] AllTheWay:
Wow very nice I will add this to the 4th post.

I am curious to see what results you would get for the NIKI 1.58.16.27 I know a lot of AT&T Users, especially myself have the best results as far as battery results with this radio.

I to experience poor results with the 1.65.20.29 radio. For me nothing still beats the NIKI 1.58.16.27 in regards to battery life. However the 1.65.XX.XX do give me better performance in regards to acquiring a GPS lock from a cold fix.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] deeznuts:
Sticky Stick

Bump for Sticky Stick!!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] redbandana:
Just sent a PM to the mods for sticky because this thread is often difficult to locate, even using the search function.

Someone should start a thread like this with all the roms.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] iceman4357:
I tried doing this. Problem is with the way the roms keep changing daily, its really difficult to keep it maintained.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] AllTheWay:
I am trying to update this list as I go but each Chef chooses which drivers he wants in the ROM's in regards to the radio. As it stand almost all chefs now are using the 1.65.XX.XX radio's.

I will try and update a little later today when I get some more time.

If somebody would like to contribute to this thread and type up a list or which ROM's work with which radio's that would greatly appreciated, as the best way to update this thread is for a lot of user input.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] redbandana:
bump, radios are essential.

I wonder if there is a way to get 1.58 & 1.64 radios working with the newer builds. I may have to go back to older roms to receive quality battery life and reception I can rely on.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] AllTheWay:
Same here which is sad to say but I truly dislike all of the 1.65.XX.XX radio's. The battery life doesn't even compare to the 1.58.16.27 NIKI and 1.64.08.21 radio's. IMO
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] theclear:
1.65.20.29 is good

Hi, i disagree , i flashed this radio (Duttys hybrid V2 29-03) i get more battery almost 20 % , i use to listen music from 07:00 to 15:30/45 and earlier (1.64.08.21) i had left 25<>35% battery and with this one i get 35<>50% . I use BT stereoheadset and poctekmusic . i think is a good performance
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] stoobie-doo:
1.65.16.25

Compared with 1.27.12.11 battery life is substantially better (Tilt going from AT&T 6.0 stock to HTC WWE 6.1 stock), but the radio takes much longer to lock into a 3G signal and does not pick a signal as strongly as 1.27.12.11, it does spend much more time on H than on 3G in Memphis (850 and 1900).

Been using is in SF/Sonoma; also finding much better battery life, both with Exchange ActiveSync on and off than I had with 1.27.12.11
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] P1Tater:
Already did that for me. Using the one in my sig with the trusty Niki radio. Woooo Hooo, glad to have back my Niki.:D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] korakesion:
Here my experience

since that I have AT&T tilt stock Rom. I live San Juan Puerto Rico,but I do alot of Roaming,travelling to Turkey.I did experience also the radio performance can be different for different Roms.Sound quality,reception,gps fix and most important is localization etc.

You cant get everywhere 3G in Puerto Rico specialy country side ,but Turkey yes.

Here is result of the Radios that used both side.

1.27.14.09 ;

Best Gps fix untill now,poor battey,fair signal reception 3G mode call dropping in Puerto Rico,no in Turkey

1.64.08.21

Best Radio that I ever used both side,very good signal reception and battey life.in my house death point I got two bars.I got better performance with this radio with duttys Rom,used L26 rom also but it was not same.

1.65.14.06

This radio work Ok here San juan I did not see any difference between 1.27.14.09 except Gps fix. It takes almost 3 minutes cold start.battery life is poor.

1.65.20.29

Worst of all 1.65.xx.xx Radios,

Very poor signal reception,I did not get even signal in my death point,if you dont have stable signal,I dont think so that you will have good battery life..
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] joda77:
Live in the Netherlands and use T-mobile. Had some problems with GPS fix which took lots of minutes to get something of a signal using the latest Dutty WM6.1 rom/radio.

Tested the 1.65.16.25 radio but had no signal on GPS.

Now trying Radio 1.64.08.21...

Tried TOMTOM and see lots of signals. Wow. Haven't seen this for a while. Still not very fast, took about a minute for a fix.

Field testing from now... :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] naser404:
I was hoping from the title The Ultimate Radio Thread that i dont need to try all of them myself, 1-by-1 & maybe get the result here.

i guess i got to start cracking on them radios :p
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] joda77:
The User Testimonials on page 1 give you some info. I have the smae problem more or less, The netherlands is a small country and I have to search my ass off to get some user experience on ROM's for my region. :cool:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] rkadar1:
anyone from the new york areas preferably upstate ny? I just tested out the 1.71 ... battery drain sucks. I am using garmin full ct. I am looking for someone in my area that has tested the radios anyone out there? At&T by the way

oh one comment that I would like someone to confirm or deny.. Shouldnt you always use the radio that is extracted from your country and phone provider.. example I should use the radio that At&t uses because it will work better, right?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] mazin13:
yup.....i was talking about the EMO 1.72.09.01....:)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] MossMan4x4:
1.71.09.01

I just flashed this radio the other day and so far most things seem about the same except for on major improvement; my camer finally works the way it should! :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] fversteegen:
In reply of my own message of Yesterday, 11:34 AM:

I discovered that the problem wasn't the radio-rom version, but the fact that I had Resco Audio Recorder installed on my Tytn II. This was the cause of the delay in connection. Removed it and now everything works fine again!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] J_Kirk:
Hi,

I flashed original HTC Tytn II ROM over my AT&T Tilt. Working fine. Radio version is 1.65.17.56. Should I update the Radio? From what I've read, I really want to try 1.71.09.01. Any advice?

One important question though: would flashing radio ROM wipe my device clean, like a ROM upgrade? Or does that only upgrade radio ROM, without touching the other data on the device?

Thanks.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] mazin13:
no it wont wipe ur dervice clean..it wont touch the data...

but you have to be CID unlocked before upgrading a radio
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] drtolson:
Whether you should 'upgrade the radio' is up to you. Best bet is to try the 1.71.09.01 and see if it works better for you. Personally, I found 1.65.17.56 to work great on GPS and pretty well on all other stuff. 1.71.09.01 caused my unit to heat up when running GPS, so I took it off.

As I say, give it a try and see what happens. Download a copy of 1.65.17.56 too, then you can re-flash back if you don't like the 1.71...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] llax:
A little help

Hi everybody,

I had a search on threads and I didn't find a answer.

Is there a radio which works on theses combination: 850 GSM + 2100 UMTS ??

That's the config that works on network here.

Sorry about my bad english

Thanks !!!

Fabricio
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] papirbit:
what radio in Norway, on Netcom(chess)

Hi

I'm living in Norway and using the Netcom network (on Chess).

Anyone from Norway here, with tips on a working radio on this network?

And what rom/radio/protocol (or what custom rom you're using) to make it work?

My rom version is 3.54.00.00 NOR, rom-date is 05/09/08.

Radio is 1.65.20.29 and protocol is 25.88.40.04H

Windows version 6.1pro (5.2.19213 build 19213.gullum

It worked fine in the beginning, after flashing the gullum rom, but now it seems to be at no use at all to me.

I'm having much trouble with my phone latly.

Symptoms beeing multiple errors like no MMS recieving, phone not ringing on incoming calls,

sound dropout for some seconds when in calls and sound repeating itself.

Like I'm saying "hello" and all I hear is myself in the phone stuttering "hel-hel-hel-he-he-he" for at least 5sec. or I end the call.

Or I hear the voice from the one in the other end in the same way.

Also battery levels are not normal.

I can spend an hour in the phone talking and the battery drops by 10%.

But over night, just doing nothing, it sometimes drops by 40% (no tast running in the background, not even the alarm clock).

Then it's fine for a couple of days before it repeats itself.

And the last problem - the screen sometimes just won't respond to the stylus tapping on it. It just "hangs" for 4-5seconds.

This is both in menu navigation, solitaire and while typing messages.

So, could any of this be related to radio troubles? (At least the sound dropouts and MMS part?)

Any help here is much appreciated

Thank you.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] P1Tater:
Sounds like a multitude of issues to me. Sounds to me you have a combination of a bad SPL and bad radio. What HardSPL do you have? You should probably be running the NEW 3.29Hardspl. That could solve some of the issues you report.

Good luck.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] MossMan4x4:
Well the camera's great but the reception is no better and battery life sucks. On to the next one.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] hjlow:
kinda weird but i just started seeing the same kind of symptoms happening the last few days. i have hard-spl 3.56 and romeo.os 4.60. I think the only thing I changed recently was the radio, I went from the EMO to the 1.70.

Going to go back to emo and see if that fixes things..
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] phantomy2g:
Final 1.71 Review

After seeing quite a few chefs beggining to cook the EMO in there roms I must say; despite the many great points i can bring up about the EMonster(fast gps lock great reception great volume great camera) after frequent testing with different roms and different so-call methods to get the maximum power of ur radio(letting batter drain to less than 10% before fulling charging) I can honestly say with certainty that it is a "battery killer" for my att tilt(kais100). Now dont get me wrong standbye time is excellent(3% overnight) running apps also great. However, Ive tried this radio so many times and i see such great reviews from others but my cellphones number one feature is being able to talk to other people and thats where this radio lacks is in Talk-Time(maybe 2hrs at most). So it makes me wonder how much do people here actually talk on their phone and if they do not talk much maybe this is why they dont see the tremendous battery drain that myself and others have experienced. Out of all the radios this is the only one where i see such a 2 sided argument either great battery life or poor nothing really in the middle or the usual i get echo but everything else is consistent as u might see with niki or neon. Well thats my thoughts... it would be nice to run a survey on how much people that use emonster talk on there phone and what kind of batterylife they get...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] papirbit:
Thank you.

I used the 3.65 HardSPL.

The "new" 3.29 - it's the same as the 3.29 link in the first post of the sticky hardspl thread?

I'll try that and see if it fixes the radio trouble. If not I'm still looking for other with working rom/radio/protocol versions on the same network that I'm on.