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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] theclear:
Hi, i also live in nederland and im using 1.65.16.25 and i have no problems with gps , and im loving the reception , perfomance of this in combination with Igo 8 and Duttys hybrid V2
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] AllTheWay:
Ok guys I have updated the radio thread.

Please let me know if you have any suggestions or things that might make it easier to understand.

Thanks for all the help especially from hjlow and P1Tater
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] P1Tater:
Not a problem at all friend. Glad to help. Very nice thread.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] PostDeals:
So far what is the best radio for AT&T Tilt, I live in Southeast and am running Death v3.5.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] P1Tater:
If you are truly in atlanta, you are real close to my area. Actually, about 3 hrs away. I'd try 20.29 radio. Personally I dont like any of the 1.65 radios, but that one worked best for me on the east coast when I was using 1.65 radios.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] gasman858:
I echo ATW/P1Tater/et.al. sentiments - I'm in San Diego -all the 1.65.x.x radios eat battery faster than Spurs lost to Lakers...

I really wanted to try the highly touted 1.58.16.27 but couldn't get 3G/H to work with :[May 19] L26_3.53.502.0_(AT&T_Source)_wm6.1_pro_v1 despite multiple tweaks & reloads.

The best radio I have used as far as signal & batt life was the now vintage1.27.14.09 with any of the appropriate ROMS.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] ceevee369:
Radios tested on Death V3.5

1.65.20.29 is still the best and reccomended for Asia (Oceania (whk?)

+ Battery life

+ GPS (first fix ,cold and warm start)

+ # of bars on 3G reception

- None.

PS. All Death V1, v2, V3, V3.5 are compliant with this Radio.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] AllTheWay:
Ouch and I'm a Spurs fan too!

LOL

Go Lakers, beat Boston :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] jockyw2001:
A new sort of "Radio from Hell" emerged for the Diamond. See here. It combats rom updating by preventing us from running a SSPL.

A clear advice to all is: always make sure you have HardSPL installed and your device is security unlocked before installing a new radio !!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] bengalih:
Hopefully this will get seen in this thread...I didn't want to start a new thread.

Basically, as many of you may be aware I had been doing alot of testing with various SPLs. During this time I had my back cover removed so that I could take out my battery easily if need be.

It seems that since this time my phone's reception has been very poor. Usually at home I get 1 or 2 bars showing up and crackly reception in many of my rooms.

Since this time it seems that I have had 0 bars and often my calls won't connect if if an incoming call comes in it will be disconnected.

I have tried both the latest official ATT 19213 build and radio, and the latest official HTC ROM and radio and seem to get the same results.

I don't know that all this SPL flashing could have done it...I really doubt that, but I wonder if I could have touched something on the back with the cover removed that messed up my antenna?

I think I might try to flash the original shipped ROM and radio. This could all be just false observation, but I really feel that since this time my radio performance is very very poor.

Also, what is strange is that when I have 0 bars and I ask MSVC "What is my signal strength" is said "30%" and as soon as it said 30% it jumped to having 2 bars... is it somehow not refreshing it's signal status on the today screen?

any words of wisdom appreciated.

thx.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] AllTheWay:
I would flash back to the WM6 Officially released ROM from AT&T w/ the 1.27.14.09 radio. See if you still have the same problem.

If that seems to give you better results I would then try using a ROM that works with 1.64.xx.xx and 1.58.xx.xx radios. I know myself and other AT&T users have had much better success with the 1.64.xx.xx and 1.58.xx.xx radio's, especially the NIKI 1.58.16.27 radio.

Thanks for the heads up Jocky.

I will add this to the 1st post.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] bengalih:
Thanks, I'll try those ideas. I have been flashing the phone so much that I haven't really gotten to fully test any one radio. My test after flashing a ROM (with radio or not) was generally just to look at my bars while sitting here on my couch. Like I said my reception in my place isn't that good...but I generally would get 2 -3 bars. Now it seems I'm not getting any and having more calls cut out then usual.

I'm still interested if I could have damaged anything with the back cover off. I would have blamed it on the motorcycle crash, except I was seeing this behavior for a day and a half before that.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] AllTheWay:
I was wondering your wreck had something to do with your phone not performing to it's optimum. I am truly sorry to hear about your crash and I wish you a speedy recovery. Worse comes to worse if your device is still under warranty. Plug that bad boy into your pc. Fire up mtty and enter task 2a and get a replacement phone, that is of course if you are still under your 1 year warranty from AT&T. That's what I would do. :) AT&T is pretty fast about getting you a replacement phone too. I ordered a replacement phone on a Thursday afternoon and it was at my house Friday morning.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] bengalih:
Yeah...no the issue was before the accident. I haven't used mtty yet, what does task 2a do for me? The only thing I was worried about (since I know how to revert ROM and SPL) was that I heard that you can't security re-lock your phone? Do you know if that's the case?

I probably will get a replacement from AT&T, just worried about getting a refurb that's worse than what I have.

I'll test it out over the next week and decide what I want to do.

I actually have a spare one still in the box due to some shipping mixups that I tried to resolve with the vendor multiple times. I'm not opening it yet because they still might want it back. But in a month or two I am going to claim it as my spare.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] P1Tater:
It makes a nice shiny brick for warranty return.:D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] bengalih:
Ahhh. Good to know. I assume there is a way to recover from it? If you could link me to the best post about how to use mtty that would be great.

I think however that AT&T will probably just take the phone back if I tell them I am having reception issues that weren't present a week ago.

In good conscious I really don't think that SPL flashing should permanently effect my signal. Nor do I think I should be able to damage my antenna simply by taking my back cover off for a few hours. Therefore I truly think that if something is wrong it is not related to these things, so I don't have a problem just reporting the facts.

If they are incooperative however, I guess 2a it is :)

thx
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] trippo:
Hi i install the new version v6 with the HardSPL-3.29 and Radio_1.65.21.18 and when i try to synchronize the contacts with activesync don't work... why? Do i mistake somethings?

The error is "desktop synchronization cannot be completed. reduce your mailbox size by deleting some items and folders and try again. support code 85010017 " but the rom is new
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] kb9nvh:
Has anyone ripped the 1.65.21.10 radio from the 6.1 AT&T ROM?

I was having really good battery performance with that but when I security unlocked my phone I had to change it out and dont see it anywhere to re-flash it?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] scotchua:
I haven't seen an AT&T rom with that radio. The official download from AT&T has radio 1.65.21.14 & 1.65.21.18, both of which i ripped out. I'll rip the radio out for you if you can locate a copy of the rom.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] kb9nvh:
After some research, I guess you are correct and I had 1.65.21.18. With my old eyes I guess I wrote down .10 instead of .18.

I'll go try .18 again and see how my powerdrain is.

thanks for the offer of help
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] AllTheWay:
So far so good with radio 1.70.19.09

This radio picked up GPS in my house no problem in under a minute. Picks up HSDPA really well. So far so good on battery life.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Flying Kiwi:
How does GPS compare with the WM 6.0 radios?

Thanks fot that report ATW. How does that compare with your use of the original Windows Mobile 6.0 1.27.xx.xx series radios on the Kaiser. It looks like HTC may be releasing this with their WWE ROM update (not just the SEA one) but I want to make sure it's an improvement on what I have if I'm going to leap this time, it's to much hassel having to revert back to WM 6.0 again.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] srsaleenstang:
Mirror for 1.70.19.09

heres the mirror in 4shared for those that have a hard time using rapidshare

KAIS_Radio_Only_1.70.19.09.zip
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] sguerra923:
Hi guys/gals sorry for the newbie question just wanted to make sure before I flash a new radio (my first time).. They said its similar to flashing a rom so I just download the Radio that I want and run KaiserCustomRUU.exe however my question is do I have to remove my sim card, memory card, and do a soft or hard reset after? Because I posted a question earlier if I would lost any infomation/contacts and they said no.. so that doesn't mean I have to do a hard reset right?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] darth maximus:
ATW, personally I like the 1.65.xx.xx NIKI/NEON radio, then the eMo. Do you think this one is a step up from the NIKI radio?

I've been having some keyboard problems; lags sometimes on w-e-s-d-x-c or q-a-z or t-y-g-h-b-n depending on the radio I use. I'm not that convinced to try the keyboard fixes that have been posted yet since I did notice that changing radios had an effect on the hw keyboard of my TyTN II. Any suggestions or comment on this. Hopefully I'm not crazy.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] kb9nvh:
Well, radios used to be pretty easy to flash. You still need a hardspl before you flash anything.

Last radio I flashed I corrupted my phone and had to reflash to an AT&T ROM before I could use it again.

i've since security unlocked my phone and I guess its supposed to eliminate that problem.

So, you should security unlock your phone, reinstall the hardspl of your choice and then you are in better shape for flashing anything you want without the risks involved. There's a Wiki on here about flashing that many will point you to and you can find if you do a search.

Good Luck.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] scotchua:
Try the keyboard fix i posted here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=436795

It's just a registry edit. If you think it doesn't fix your problem then switch back. I use my keyboard a lot, and I believe it makes a big difference.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] AllTheWay:
I've actually never been a big fan of the EMO radio.

Personally I use 1.70.18.02 & 1.59.42.15.

I just recently flashed the 1.70.19.09 radio.

Hopefully when I get my HTC Fuze in the next couple of days I can put something togther that will really test all the radios. I'm still looking for the perfect app for it.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] kb9nvh:
I was a huge emo supporter until I got into a 3G area and found that a 20 minute talk took 25% life outta my battery...it was a crazy high discharge rate.

I flashed an older radio and proved that emo sucked my battery dry quickly in Dallas.

If your not in a 3G area then it was the best but its not for me anymore.

I've just flashed 1.70.19.09 (thanks ATW) and I'll see how that goes.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] scotchua:
Radio 1.70.19.09

Tried it out. Battery life is fantastic. GPS signal is very nice. All in all, i say this radio is DEFINITELY a keeper.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] nallyvaico:
Radio Protocols

Talking about the protocols, I spotted that the recent and most popular radios' protocols are nearly the same... If we take a look at radios 1.65.17.56, 1.70.18.02, 1.70.19.09 - they ALL have the same protocol! Also, AT&T tends to use 25.88.XXXXX protocols, and a few niki radios have 25.>above 90>.XXXX, eMo has 25.75.XXX eMo !!!!. The newest 1.70.19.09 radio uses the same protocols that does the much older 1.70.18.02 radio released back in August!

Can anybody explain it?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] rfarnell:
Hello All,

I just wanted to say that over the past 6 months I have tried numerous radios and to be frank I never saw a massive amount of improvement between one and the other. One would have a slightly better battery life, one a quicker GPS fix, better reception and voice quality, but some of these could be difficult to compare because of all the variables involved when using a phone daily.

This is all significant because where I live, I struggle to receive a stronger reception than 2 bars at any time and frequent signal dropoputs which has meant many disconnections and some areas of the house have been complete dead zones.

However, since I have been using the the new radio 1.65.29.22, the signal has been consistently available and the call quality is exceptional. I don't know about GPS fix times or battery life, but these are definitely less important to me in my current circumstances. So if you are in an area of questionable reception, I would suggest that you try this particular radio.

Rob
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] wisniak:
I tried out 1.70.19.09, and it proved very bad for me.

It eats up the battery and GPS TTFF is terrible - possibly the worst I've had.

Phone call quality is good.

Out of all the radios I've tried so far (see earlier in this thread), the EMO radio gives me the best GPS TTFF (with the latest NIKI behind), while the latest NIKI gives me the best battery life (EMO coming in a close second).
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] wisniak:
Also, I'm very surprised at the variance of the results in the current poll vs. the previous one.

If I recall correctly, the EMO radio was FAR ahead of everything else. Now the current poll doesn't show this at all.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] kb9nvh:
Those that have good EMO results, are you in a 3G area?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] wisniak:
Yes, but I don't use 3G unless I want to browse quickly (my PPC doesn't have cameras).

I was referring to Edge network.

In my tests, I flash the radio, verify the battery is 100% full, then disconnect the PPC from the USB/Charging cable, and leave it overnight.

My setup is such that mail is checked for 2 accounts every hour, PocketWeather is updated every 12 hours, as well as NewsBreak.

So in the morning, about 8 hours after I began the test, I checked the battery status. I then used the PPC under a light load (few phone calls, 2-3 GPS tests using either GPS Test v1.04 and/or IGO8), and I checked the battery level after about 20 hours.

This 1.70.19.09 radio ate up about 2% battery every hour (on Edge).
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] scotchua:
I used 1.70.19.09 and in 13 hours of having palringo signed in, about 75 sms, several lengthy IM convos, 30 minutes on the phone, and 2 emails checking every five minutes and my exchange push mail running, I still have 50% of my battery. To me that is pretty impressive, and significantly better than i get with any other radio, and as such i'll be stickin with it.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] aadadams:
That is a crowning testament. I am downloading that radio and flashing it now.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] kb9nvh:
My emo experience was the VERY BEST while not in a 3G area but talking on the phone in a 3G area ate my battery like the last slice of chrstmas cheescake and I'm talking like a 30 minute call ate like 60% of my battery.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] wisniak:
scotchua, that is impressive performance indeed.

My PC has crashed, so I'll have to wait till it's repaired before I can do any further flashing.

I wanted to ask you regarding your experience on the issue of ROM version + radio version performance (battery life, GPS fix, phone reception...). Is it indeed non-related? My experience is quite the opposite.

I have a standard setup (ie I have a standard set of apps that I install), and I have experienced different performance after upgrading the ROM version.

For example, while using NATF's ATT Loaded v3.25 I had (in my opinion) better performance than when using his v4 ROM.

Now I'm using Aruppenthal's v3.5 ROM, and after my PC is repaired I'll install his new v4 ROM.

The main issue, though, is that performing radio tests is a lengthy process (I test for over 24 hours, as I described above), as well as subjective.

I don't know whether there's some automated test tool, that would load the PPC (eg simulate performing calls under Edge/3G, run various apps, etc) and test battery performance, same as there's an automated tool that checks the performance index (I think it's from SPB).

That way we'd have objective results.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] scotchua:
Honestly there are certain roms, that certain radios work better on, but i've noticed an across the board improvement for me with certain radios since i've switched over to cmonex hardspl (i still use v1, fwiw). I've always found that my favorite radios seem to perform relatively consistently regardless of the rom. That being said, some roms definitely have better battery life so the rom does play a factor to some extent, but the relative performance of the radios seems consistent.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] wisniak:
Could you please post a link to that hardspl version?

regarding ROMs and radios, absolutely there's some sort of impact. I test the performance of every new ROM I flash with the EMo and the NIKI radio I mentioned above (both have proved the best for me in my area). And definitely every ROM performs differently (battery, GPS etc) with the same radios.

There must be some knowledgebase that explains this relationship, and then possibly something can be done about this.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] DaveShaw:
Check the sticky posts :)

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=420683

Ta

Dave
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] eastmushu:
1.70.19.09 radio seem to have adverse effect on my TyTN II. On 3G and just standby, the battery drops 5% in 1 hour.

GPS has taken a hit too. My position is reported as 70km off from where I am (I am in Singapore and position reported is somewhere in central Johor). This is after waiting for at least 5 minutes after initial lock was done.

Gone back to eMo.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] yozhek:
1.65.29.22 possible issue

Anyone had an issue with the installation of a different radio after using 1.65.29.22? Well I have, tried installing 170.19.01, couldn't, went to bootloader with 'upgrade rom code error'. Tried the usual techniques including factory rom, booting from SD - error with radio. I have tried many roms up and down the spectre with the failsafe of the factory special. This time no luck. Any clues?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] DaveShaw:
Can you flash any other radio than the 1.70 one?

Ta

Dave
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] kb9nvh:
I was stuck at bootloader after installing that radio then trying to go back to emo (I was running death4.1 at the time). My only way out was to reflash the OEM AT&T 6.1 latest ROM including radio. I've since stuck with the AT&T ROM for now and can reflash radios as will. The OEM 6.1 ROM has all the garbage but it also has voice command intalled, and the HTC front page with digital clock and weather and such so if you can live with the AT&T clutter and you can install the apps that the cook gave you on their ROMS then its a pretty good ROM.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] aadadams:
Try flashing 1.65.24.36 first. Then you can move to other radios at will.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] mazin13:
in a 3G area my friend?

coz i also am a member of the "EMO isnt all that" club....and since u also like the 1.59 polaris radio which i swear by...im willing to try ou this radio..put in mind i keep 3G on and its always availible by my carrier
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] wisniak:
I've not yet installed the hacked hardspl, but definitely this radio gives me the worst performance of all the radios I've tested.

I've tried several times to obtain GPS TTFF, but it takes soooo long (over 10 minutes, even after loading AGPS) that I'll simply flash someting else.

And battery is definitely far worse. Earlier I wrote that it drops about 2%/hour, without any type of activity. After further testing, it's closer to 2-3%/hour.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] scotchua:
Unfortunately i do not have 3G within 500 miles of my home, so i have no idea what the performance is like there. Definitely let us know htough.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] scotchua:
Please read my explanation here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=432867
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] wisniak:
Just tried our radio KAIS_RADIO_ONLY_1.71.09.01.

I just tried GPS TTFF, was very long, so I did not even try the battery life.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] yozhek:
I tried several other radios, 6 in all but I didn't try this one. Will give it a go and report on same.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] mazin13:
1.70.19.09

ok....i read this experience with other users regarding this radio and gps.....unfortunatly, i have never waited so long to get a fix.....and when 2 satellites show...it becomes one again...and so on...

for me battery isnt that great (ofcourse i read scotchua and others complment the radio's battery performance and thats why i was dissapointed with my own experience)

i guess now we are 100% sure that we still remain in the dark about most of the knowledge regarding radios....there are still more complex combinations that affect performance and alter the experience of users :

1-carrier

2-ROM

3-SPL

4-spl+radio

5-spl+radio+rom

6-radio+carrier

7-spl+radio+carrier

8-......

9-.......

i can keep comming up with combos till infinity lool....

the day that somebody finally invents that software that will measure a radios performance once u flash it....ill be a happy man...till then....fricking trial and error!!!!!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] yozhek:
Tried 24.36 didn't work. Finally tried the new 3.34 Dopod WWE factory Rom and it worked by SD method so its all sorted. PS I was running PDA Ultimate V4 rom so may be there's something between this rom & radio 1.65.29.22. Thanks for your suggestions.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] aadadams:
Glad you resolved it. I had a similar problem with a radio that was bundled with a rom and 24.36 worked for me. But, happy to know that you found the one that works for you.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] tgranber:
Has anyone posted a radio or looked at the radio for the G1 and made a Radio for Tmobile 3G?