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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] uraso:
bad call reception in Oakland and SF, CA

first off, thanks for everyone's input and indebted to you all!!!

unfortunately, i'm still experiencing very bad signal reception on my calls. can someone please suggest any radios that have good receptions. please help!!!

my phone: ATT Tilt in San Francisco & Oakland, CA

ROM: Dutty’s WM6.1 WWE Date 4/16/08

Radio: i have tried: 1.58.16.27 and 1.27.12.17

Radio 1.58.16.27 improve the reception just a tad, camera seems more robust

Radio 1.277.12.17 improve the reception a little more, but camera is very sluggish.

Radio 158.25.17 has clear and loud reception, but experience drop calls. Cannot take pictures – black screen. I would like this if it hadn't for the black screen. Can't take pictures at all!!!

If anyone knows how to fix or direct my way for the camera fix related to 1.58.25.17, i'll be grateful.

Again, please give me some suggestion on any combo of rom and radio to use to improve my receptions.

thanks again.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] AllTheWay:
Try using a WM6.1 ROM that requires the 1.65.xx.xx radio to work on it.

Like ShogunMark, Duttys Newest, or L26 for example.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] theclear:
works good for me

Hi, i live in Friesland-Netherlands and this radio works good here, im using Duttys Diamond ( before Duttys Hybrid V2) and no problem. today i flashed the new radio1.58.25.17 but i dont get any gps signal i couldnt test i had it for about 15 minutes , someone with this issue ?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] PostDeals:
What's a good radio for AT&T Tilt for USA?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] AllTheWay:
Did you happen to read the 1st post.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] PJ6363:
Update to 1.65.20.29 usage...

Hello all, just got back from a visit in Paris and wanted to add to my original post as to how the radio performaed with L26 v3 ROM and updated SPL to Jocky 3.28 (thanks for this anti freezer SPL!!) when roaming

In Paris (as opposed to NE Scotland) I found that 3G and HSDPA "H" icons and receptions began to "work", as opposed to not working (just an "X" in NE Scotland)..news for those, including me, that lost the icons when upgrading their ROMS....signal quality 4/5 (in Paris!!)

GPS fix was still unbearably long 5mins+, same as in Scotland (perhaps someone can advise on tuning this??)....now 2/5

Battery life was good, easy 4/5....was doing a lot of email, brightest setting as outdoors, GPS to find landmarks and testing locks as well

At the point now to try a different Radio given the poor performance of 1.65.20.29 in Scotland for both GPS fix and 3G & HSDPA....any advise from fellow UK Kaiser users (perhaps in Scotland)??
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] RobbinM:
today i flashed to the new dutch htc official rom with video drivers. its rom is really fast and tomtom runs really smooth.

the built in 16.25 radio is crap. i have no sound, and GPS fis is slow, but when conected has good reception. 3G lock is terribly slow.

tomorrow i will be switching to 20.29
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] uraso:
Bay Area Reception

Thanks AllTheWay. I downloaded the L26 Diamond V4 and with 1.58.25.17 - I know that this radio is probably your favorite since you've been recommending it through out this tread. This radio works quite good with this rom. I am liking it so far. Reception is better than what I have been getting with other combos.

AllTheWay, you probably live in the the Bay. What is your recommendation on the best rom and radio for best reception in the Bay Area. I really don't care about batter life as long as I can get a good reception.

Thanks in advance.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] AllTheWay:
I actually live near Sacramento.

I would try all the radio's out and see which one works best for you. Don't really know as in regards to reception as I am more concerned with battery life.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] RobbinM:
How to flash radio from SD

Hi guys.

I've heard bad stories about the 20.29 radio. so i've downloaded a 6.1 compatible Niki radio. But currently I'm at school, so i'm looking for a way to flash the radio using my sd card. ive searched the forums but all i seem to find is people saying that they used 'the sd card method' or something, but never how they did it.

Also, in the wiki they state that they're gonna explain how to do it, but then the rest of the page it doesn't say anything about it.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] AllTheWay:
rename the .nbh file that you have to KAISIMG.nbh (it case sensitive) place the .nbh file in the root of your storage card. Go the bootloader by holding down the camera button and then inserting the stylus into the reset hole. Follow the on screen instructions.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] othillo:
I'm working again... The 20.29 Radio does not work with the Dutty Rom that I have flaehed. Reflashed the 1.64.08.21 and everything is peachy. Doh.

:)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] tlucasbr:
I've seen that too. I've been using for a while now (after a few flashes in the middle) dutty's hybrid v2 04/29/08, and had no luck using 1.65.xx.xx radios (either 20.29 and 16.25) with that build.

First call goes fine (I can tell that the caller receives the call faster, after I hit 'send'.. but can be only a impression), but once this first call is disconnected, all other calls connects but there's no sound at all, in and out. Device is "mute"; USB dies too. After a soft reset, I have a working phone again, until the first call.

Edit: Had no luck with Neon 1.58.25.17 radio; wasn't documented that would work, but I had to try it.

I just could not find a stable rom as dutty's v2 yet. Once I find one that shows up, I'll "upgrade" my Kaiser :-)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] SouthernLuke:
Okay, so obviously one important fact has escaped your attention. There are in fact 2 different releases of Dutty's April 29 roms. If the 1.65.xx.xx radios aren't working then obviously you are running the 1.64.xx.xx radio release which in fact would also explain why the 1.58.25.17 radio will not function as well.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] tlucasbr:
And that explains it. Last time I've flashed the wrong d*** version... I got lost about what version I flashed after a few radio changes, and returned to older 1.58 radios. Thanks for the heads up, SouthernLuke.

Edit: and it is in my signature ! damn...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] jldiablo:
Latest HTC WM 6.1 ROM + Radio 1.58.25.17 = working?

In AllTheWay's "the Ultimate Radio" thread, says:

"The newest AT&T WM6.1 ROM's and HTC WM6.1 ROM's(5.2.19202, 5.2.1209, 5.2.19212, & 5.2.19213) require the 1.65.XX.XX radio. The New Official HTC ROM also uses 1.65.XX.XX radio's. Any of the 1.65.XX.XX radio's will work"

But I've flashed the Radio 1.58.25.17 with my HTC WM6.1 ROM(5.2.19212), it seems no problem at all. I can make calls, can connect to wifi, camera is working....Why? or it's just the side effect haven't show up yet?

Could anyone tell me, what will normal happen when you flashed a "wrong" radio with the ROM?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] SouthernLuke:
The 1.58.25.17 is a 1.65.xx.xx compatible radio.

If you flashed a wrong radio, one or more of the following issues can arise

- poor or no audio (including external speaker)

- no camera function (black screen)

- no GPS signal
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] jldiablo:
thanks for the answer!!!

Does that mean I can use this Radio on any of the 1.65.XX.XX ROM inc. the official ones?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] AllTheWay:
That is correct.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Exitao:
ATW:

If I could make a tiny suggestion to improve upon an already greatly informative thread, do you think you could add a symptoms list for bad radio/ROM and bad SPL/Radio combinations?

e.g. I just installed the new Niki radio everyone's raving about.

Coincidentally, I've lost all audio on phone calls, requiring a soft reset, a few times since the above-mentioned install. Radio problem? (Rhetorical, I'll assume it's related.)

If you could include a symptoms list for newbie diagnoses, or to assist us in testing radios ourselves, then people who know how to use search engines and do ocassionally RTFM will be able to not clutter up the purpose of threads like this with their own individual issues.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] AllTheWay:
I like your ideas

As far as trying the new NEON / NIKI radio, which ROM were you trying to use it with? The 1.58.25.17 radio will only work with ROMs with a 1.65.xx.xx radio with them. I updated the 2nd post this afternoon. Hopefully it will point people in the right direction.

I will try and clean it up some more.

In regards to doing battery testing and reception that is all dependent on geographic location and your mobile carrier. Each radio will behavior differently in each area. Really it's how the radio works for you. I have some user feedback about which radio works best in the users specific area.

I know that most 1.65 radios and the new NEON / NIKI radio seem to work better in regards to getting a GPS signal. I don't see how GPS would be geographic based as its all based anyways on satellites and not cell towers.

However I have noticed that some radio's offer me better battery life when using GPS, then others.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Exitao:
You seem to have pinpointed the cause. I am using Laurentius26' [May 19] L26_3.53.502.0_(AT&T_Source)_wm6.1_pro_v1 ROM which uses radio version 1.64.08.21

I tried the Niki radio because I was having trouble getting a GPS signal.

I am seriously considering going back to Dutty's April 29th ROM or trying his new Diamond ROM this weekend. April 29 will let me play around with more GPS softwares with fewer problems (seems 1/4 of every new ROM thread is invaded by iGO8 questions, now they should get their own iGO/Kaiser ROM compatibility thread and have posts deleted from ROM threads).

I would like to know what radio is preferred by people on

Fido

.

I did a search for Fido in the Kaiser forums and see the following preferences listed:

ROM: WM6.1 Hybrid - 19209 UC RTM - Radio: SEDNA 1.58.21.23

Rom: Alex's v5.2 Cube - Rom Radio: 1.27.12.11

ROM: Dutty's Diamond V1 Build 19588 - Radio version:1.58.25.17

ROM: Rogers 1.83.631.4 - Radio version: 1.27.15.32 (Is that WM6 or WM6.1?)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Exitao:
One more question:

Rogers/Fido in Canada have an additional caller ID service called Name Display, which announces the registered name of the incoming caller along with their phone number. The name is sent by the provider, so if it's not in your contacts, you still get to see the name associated with the number(if it's not blocked).

What are the odds that this service is connected to the radio?

From discussions I have read, the RIL is involved, but can it read from any radio, or is this likely to be specific to a radio or set of radios?

And this is the sort of situation where I would habve to test radios because they (Roger/Fido) have no 6.1 ROMs/Radios that I know of.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Exitao:
Could you please give us your GPS impressions?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] omarnone:
Awesome work ATW you Rock!!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] siamchen:
;)

Very happy with 1.65.20.29 with good GPS, GSM. Using HyperDragon II. I think the radio must be compatable with the ROM which you are using and all of the 1.65.xx.xx radio which I tested are good in Sydney. 3G signal is not that strong as the OEM radio but still can be found.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] henk-jan:
My experiances with Dutty's 6.1 (June)

Radio GPS camera

1.58-11.07 very quick no

1.58.25.17 poor yes

1.58.26.20 very quick no

1.64.08.21 moderate no

1.65.20.29 poor yes

Conclusion: goed GPS gives a problem with the camera
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] scotchua:
not to poke holes in your theory, but the issues isn't gps/camera related. What you did was use incompatible radios. only the two radios where the camera worked are actually compatible with that rom. They use different drivers than the other radios, hence the camera not working.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] SouthernLuke:
Not to mention I've got excellent GPS reception with 1.65.20.29 and 1.58.25.17.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] henk-jan:
Thanks for your reply, then just bothering why the GPS detecting is so poor in this rom I use. The former roms (Dutty 6.0 and Dutch HTC) I used had no problems at all.

Second: when detecting the GPS always GPRS is enabled (except in the cradle) I've no idea why.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] scotchua:
try disabling "assisted gps" in kaiserteaks or advanced config.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] henk-jan:
That's it: no GPRS and a much faster GPS track. Thanks for the help !!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] scotchua:
You're welcome, that's a pretty major culprit with GPS issues. I don't know much about it, except that people seem to have problems with it, but Gsleon3 said it is pretty much useless and I'm willing to take his word for it :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Karolis:
I don't get it. I have tried almost every radio that should work with WM6.1 and they all have the same problem – QuickGPS data not being used, resulting in looong lock times (15+ minutes).

This is discussed in the following thread: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=397728

I am currently using HardSPL-3.29, but I have also tried 3.28 and numerous radio combinations, including NIKI, NEON, etc.

Is there anything else I could do but downgrade to WM6?

P.S. A-GPS is off on my device.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] scotchua:
try using another program to download the satellite data, like seagee or gpsgate. Are you experiencing the same trouble?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Karolis:
SeaSGEE does not help and I didn't really try GPS Gate, but I somehow doubt it will help.

I'll give it a shot anyways.

Thanks!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] slickvic621:
Quick question...as I've never changed a radio after using a ROM for a while, I just wanted to know if installing a new radio formatted your device...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] DaveShaw:
No. Er, nothing else to say, so I'm padding :p

EDIT:

Figured something to say, Only flashing the ROM which is the OS changes the files on your device, the Radio and SPL are flashed to a different part of the ROM (meaning ROM == Read only Memory, not ROM == OS).

Dave
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] dhaval:
Downgrade to WM 6.0

Sorry, I guess i posted into wrong thread. Re-Posted this in the Kaiser Sim Unlocker Thread.

Hi,

I am pretty new to Tilt, which i received recently and dont quite understand the ROMs and Radios.

I have to Unlock my Tilt to use with T-Mobile.

I have installed the Dutty's Series "Ruu_Signed_Duttys_WM6.1_5.2.19700_Hybrid_V2_1_65.14.06_CubeV2_" ROM, i think it has the Radio 1_65.14.06, which shows when i start my Tilt.

For Unlocking, the Instructions says, i cant do it with WM 6.1 installed on it, How can i downgrade to WM 6.0 ? Also, will i need to do anything to the Radio ? if i want to re-install the Same Dutty's ROM, than How can i Upgrade the Radio and keep the same ROM ?

I tried searching, but either i dont understand or couldnt find an easy solution.

Can anybody help?

TIA,

Dhaval.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Darkseid83:
Hello all been here for a long time... Never interacted. So i am going to start with my radio...

ATT Tilt /Att Service

Currently using 1.65.20.29 Radio Here in Long Beach,Ca

OK signal in the house 3 bars average 3/5.

Gps is really slow, not picked up much in the area compared to 1.65.16.25 Radio. Matter of fact its still Starting up been about 3 min but works 2/5.

Battery life is Fine. I don't really ever notice since i keep my phone charged /not rated.

In call i dont get the annoying distortion i got with the 1.65.16.25 radio good. 5/5.

Since no one else here is in Long beach/Lakewood/Beach City Area i will test all Radios with a review.... Thanks for everyones hard work here....
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] digitalextremes:
I have the same issue, using 3.29.707 shipped rom with shipped radio and it takes forever to find the sats and lock.

Previously I was using the 3.02.405 rom with 1.64.08.21 radio and it was very quick find and lock everytime (cold or hot)

I am going to try 1.64.08.21 radio with 3.29.707 rom to see if it works.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] scotchua:
The radio won't work for that rom, you have to use one of the new 1.65.xx.xx radios or the niki radio 1.58.25.17. If you use 1.64.08.21 you'll have audio or camera related issues most likely.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] digitalextremes:
audio and camera were working fine but whenever i tapped on the phone application, I'll see random numbers being pressed/typed on the phone display which freezes the phone, it was indeed the radio not being compatible (1.58.25.17 radio with 3.29.707 rom). so I am trying the 1.65s now but having issues with getting lock on GPS, it takes forever and seems like GPS is not making use of the QuickGPS data.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] digitalextremes:
Here is what I did to fix the problem with GPS not getting locked on ROM: 3.29.707 shipped, radio 1.65.16.25 (shipped with ROM).

it use to take forever for GPS to find sats and then lock.

I tried changing radios but what ultimately fixed my issue was under system settings --> Regional Settings I had Australia as default region setup, I changed that to Canada and that alone fixed my GPS issues, I even tried turning the device off then back on, and it only took about 15 seconds to find enough sats and 5 secs to lock in downtown toronto area.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Karolis:
Can't confirm this – my region was set correctly from the beginning.

In your case, does it just help to get a fix quicker, or does it actually start using QuickGPS data?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] digitalextremes:
How can I confirm that it's using the QuickGPS data? (I know it's getting the fix quicker now)

every time I update the QuickGPS data, I see an xtra.bin file get updated (38.8kb in size) in the windows directory
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Karolis:
Immediately after starting your GPS software, how many satellites is it showing?

0 means it is not using QuickGPS. 9-13 means it is using QuickGPS. Simple :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] siamchen:
In [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\HTC\SUPL AGPS] there is a field named 'GPSMode'. Three values can be assigned to that values which are:

GPSMode = 1 means Autonomous (Self Fix no Assistance Required, Pessimistic Approach, Very Slow but Very Accurate)

GPSMode = 2 means Assisted by Server (Less Optimistic, Somewhat Slow but Medium Accuracy Quality)

GPSMode = 4 means Assisted by Server with Extended Ephemeris (Very Optimistic, But Sometime we loose Accuracy Quality)

For the second and third option, which I think is using the GPS ephemeris data from the provider's server which may disable the access to QuickGPS. But, in most of WM6.1 ROMs, the default setting is 2. So, changed my one to 1 and when open the GPS software, I can see some satellites flashed.

Would that be help?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] MickyMax:
How works "GPSMode = 4" for you ? Coldfix is faster ?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Karolis:
Unfortunately at least to me it does not seem to change anything in terms of using the QuickGPS satellite data.

I'll do a field test though and see if I get lock any faster.

EDIT: it seems like with option 4, the fix time have reduced, but it's just my subjective observation. I could get a fix with cloudy skies in under 5 minutes, which is still unacceptable, but better than 10+. Also, the weird thing that I've noticed, which might not be related to this registry tweak, is that after around 2 minutes, QuickGPS data seems to kick in (I can see 9-13 satellites right away), but it doesn't necessarily speed up the fix.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] zalaros:
The default setting for WM 6 is also 2 so i can't figure out how this will decrease the fix time in WM 6.1.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] zPacKRat:
Slow to lock GPS

I found the issue in L26's v9 rom and I'm sure it's the same in other roms as well.

As outlined above the "GPSMode" string found in /HKLM/Software/HTC/SUPL AGPS/ has 3 settings which state how much accuracy is given up for faster locking.

there are 2 other strings "EnableAGPS" & "EnableReAiding" both were set to 0 in this rom which in the windows registry world mean OFF. so I set them both to 1, reset my TILT and I'm getting a first fix after reboot indoors in less than a minute.

I hope this helps someone here, I found this issue/fix posted but it's burried from last year.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] jb2001:
Frustrated Orange UK user.

Guy's i've tried lots of different Radios and for WM6.1 i ALWAYS end up right back at 1.64.08.21.

I understand and I have experienced various GPS speeds with various radio's however to me the quality of the voice calls and network strength outway any issues with tomtom/GPS.

example: i just uploaded the ROMeOS 2.2 with the radio 1.58.25.17. Great rom rubish radio on orange UK. i dialed my answer phone 5 times and eventualy got a garbled message with 5 bar signal??? I then installed L26 V4 Rom with 1.64.08.21....5 bar signal.....and I got through to the answer service first time, with a clean crisp sound.

If your posting your test results on Radios/Rom performance lets start putting the location and the network onto our posts so we can build up a clear picture of what rom/radio combos work best on what network.

if anybody out their is operating on orange, vodafone, 3 or O2 within the UK with a diferent radio/rom combo please post me with your reviews so I can start a UK Radio specific thread, links to the rom/radio threads would also be a good start.