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[OnePlus 7 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] Pawer8:
I'm sad to see that people are accepting the death of the headphone jack. We (humans) create tech therefore is tech that should adapt to us, not us to tech. I'm actually disappointed to see how xda gave this phone "the best phone award". Companies are toying with us and as a oneplus fan I'm really sad to see them continue this despite the complaints of many over the 6T. I just just bought a 5T myself because of this (6 has a notch so went for the 5t). I fear that in the future there will be no option for those who want a headphone jack. And even worse, no charging port.

To me the next logical step in this crazy trend is to get rid of the usb-c port. And seeing how well people are accepting the removal of the headphone jack I fear they will have no trouble in doing so.

And yes I get it the jack is quite big and limits screen size. But let's face it, it is really annoying to tap the edges of the screen by accident, which gets worse with these bezel-less phones, so please don't try to convince me.

I wanted to create a poll but I don't see an option on the app, so I will just ask these questions. Let me know what you think.

Aren't you worried that the next models will ship with wireless charging only?

Is that what we will see in the future?

Would OP join this crazy trend?

PS: I'm posting on the OP forum since what I wanna discuss here is what will happen in the future and what do you guys think OP will do about it.
[OnePlus 7 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] s3axel:
Technology is changing, rapidly and over and over again - part of this change is the move from wired headphones to wireless ones, another one is the trend to curved displays (which I don't crave), the omission of notification LEDs and probably also the trend towards wireless charging (which I actually find convenient).... I doubt it'll leave out the USB port because you would neither get an option to transfer data via OTG nor would be able to recover the phone when something is broken - but who knows :)

IMO Oneplus is following where the market is going. We could hope and argue that it could very well be the other way round, but the volume is not with us few tech enthusiasts but with the broad masses and the trendsetter presently is not Oneplus (which I would wish to be otherwise)....
[OnePlus 7 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] criptix:
You do realize the OnePlus 6 has a headphone jack right?
[OnePlus 7 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] bartjeh1991:
Phones without ports are the future. Within a few years you can powercharge your phone wirelessly. Would be better for all of us. And btw invest in a good pair of wireless headphones mk3 sony are very very very good.
[OnePlus 7 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] more_than_hater:
for music - use audio players like astell kern, fiio etc. Its just a talk about your money, if you can afford it. But. About bezelless screens, its all very disapointing. Personally, i'd like to back to 16:9 screens, like 5 and 3t was. Oneplus is no more phones for geeks, its for beauty bloggers, HA
[OnePlus 7 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] Heisenberg420:
But it did adapt to us. We humans (not me specifically until this phone) bought these phones without a headphone jack for 2 years. Didn't touch sales numbers. So the market adapted, one less hole to waterproof, and room to save costs on circuit noise reduction, integrated DAC+AMPs etc.

exaggeration to get your point across

subjective opinion

but yeah I mostly agree with everything else, I hate trends.
[OnePlus 7 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] Pawer8:
Sorry a typo.

Didn't get the 7/6t for the jack. Didn't even considered the 6 because of the notch (considering the 5t is just one step below the 6 i'd rather not have a notch).

I'll edit my first post

Most troubling is not charge time but not being able to use your phone while charging. Plus I'd like to see how we would root a phone without ports...

Wow just noticed the led thing. So glad I still have it.

Considering the new trend of not repairing broken stuff (ehem apple ehem) I worry that could extend to the rest of the market and end up killing the usb. But good point.

Your last point is very valid. But what I always liked about oneplus is that they didn't follow most trends. Instead they relied on community feedback (ofc ppl in forums is mostly geeks). Don't get me wrong. As a company that is probably the right strategy. I just wish they had like a second phone for us fans of the opo.
[OnePlus 7 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] Paz9:
by harnessing the kinetic and heat energy of you body?

even photon beam charging?

ive been questioning why we havent advanced in battery tech in a while... we are using hundreds (some would suggest thousands) of year old tech to power on our phones
[OnePlus 7 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] souless poet:
I personally have used wireless bt headphones and now true wireless earbuds Jabra elite are amazing for years. Who wants cords when working out for starters. Second I don't understand the outrage over not having a headphone Jack. You spend 7-800 on bleeding edge tech but want to use wired headphones? Backwards to me. And honestly get used to it. It's not going away. Wireless everything. For me it's cloud, bt, wireless charging, casting, nfc file transfers etc....
[OnePlus 7 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] Pawer8:
Well I have 3 pairs of headphones ranging from 100 to 200 quid so it's not about money.

I've tried bt headphones but they are a pain in my opinion. You have to charge them and sound quality is not as good. Tho I must say that in the car the 5T does seem to have better quality than the 3T over bluetooth but still can hear it struggle.

Hahah true. But also there have been improvements on battery tech. It's just that there have been no big changes. The main problem is that to store more energy you basically need to start looking at more exotic materials that at the same time are more dangerous to handle.
[OnePlus 7 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] Paz9:
now to just find an minuscule sized nuclear reactor encapsulated by a moscovium infused gaseous-ring enforced with a vibranium outer casing, then i think we would be set.
[OnePlus 7 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] souless poet:
Well I have 3 pairs of headphones ranging from 100 to 200 quid so it's not about money.

I've tried bt headphones but they are a pain in my opinion. You have to charge them and sound quality is not as good. Tho I must say that in the car the 5T does seem to have better quality than the 3T over bluetooth but still can hear it struggle.

Never have had an issue. My Sony over the ear wireless sound amazing. My Jabra sound quality is amazing as well and I have to charge the case once every two weeks. I mean we are living in a world where we have to charge our laptops and tablets and phones...don't think having to charge headphones is a deal breaker. Now again it's about preference. I'm good w not having a headphone Jack. Didn't use it when I had a phone that did. To each is own.
[OnePlus 7 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] Jt380p:
You don't see us using vinyl records, feather with ink, or a wired telephone connection today do we? So, stop yapping about things you don't like, if you don't like change, then go back to your Nokia 3310. If people don't accept change like the headphone jack, or USB C port, then why would people still buy them? It's like the 90hz screen, once you have it, you don't wanna go back. Don't talk trash about things that you haven't tried.
[OnePlus 7 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] Pawer8:
I have tried bluetooth headphones... Don't like them. They are heavy and need recharging. And batteries go bad with time.

It's hard to beat the comfort of a headphone that weighs half as much.

And yes many ppl use vinyl just so you know....

This trend took off thanks to apple fanboys.

What good things do we get by trading in the headphone jack?

Larger screens with notches? Or maybe popup cameras that will fail in a couple years?

It's not like they are trying to get the phones smaller...
[OnePlus 7 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] kacarot:
About tastes there is nothing written and it is very difficult to please everyone equally.

Before they removed the Jack 3.5, I no longer used it, so I do not care.

For the usb-c to charge and sound, it would bother me a lot to remove it, because I do not like to lose the possibility of having cable sound input even for the C and even less be forced to have another device to charge? And I'm home? I think that is not possible ....

I do not like the drop noch either, but I prefer it to frames ... and the worst is the curve edge! Please! What is it for? To play reflexes ??? To lose screen? Life is curved? Yes, of course, when I play football when I get to the line, the ball falls into the void suddenly ... yuck! regards

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[OnePlus 7 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] Jonathan.Parker2005:
I do miss the headphone jack, but only because I have some really nice wired headphones that I would like to connect to my phone on the odd occasion because that's where all my music is. Saying that, 99% of the time I'm using my Jabra Elites. If needed, I can get a music player as a separate device to get my audio nerd on, whilst I admit I would rather have one device. But I'm not shlopping around a big set of headphones around with me all the time. That's not going to happen. Nowadays any decent set of wireless IEM's compete well with wired IEM's. I don't think they will get rid of ports altogether, just because what happens when it bricks. You always have to be able to physically connect up.
[OnePlus 7 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] frosty5689:
If you want to use wired headphones with your phpne, the OnePlus usbc dongle sounds about the same as the phpnes with the 3.5mm port. If you want true fidelity, you should try the digital audio players that was mentioned in a reply above. If you really want good quality playbacknon yoir phone, the only options are true USB-C DAC/AMP or bluetooth receivers like Fiio Q5S
[OnePlus 7 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] Gr8man001:
I think you are being too harsh. You may not realize but Vinyls quality of sound beats CD quality any day. When was the last time you had the luxury of listening to a clean vinyl? Ok, enough about the vinyls. I think what OP is trying to say is limiting the choices. I personally, would not care if phone does not have a phone jack as long as there is a similar model with a jack option. When you buy a car, besides many other available options available under different package and price points, you STILL have an option to buy stick or automatic transmission. Some of the innovation being made under the banner of "technology and advancement" is simply a marketing hype. Smartphone sales are way down if you look at any year to year data, so manufactures have to market the latest and greatest technology whether you need it or not.

So OP is not talking about trash, you need to be open-minded and think outside the narrow box. Here is a quote from Steven Spielberg:

Technology can be our best friend, and technology can also be the biggest party pooper of our lives. It interrupts our own story, interrupts our ability to have a thought or a daydream, to imagine something wonderful, because we're too busy bridging the walk from the cafeteria back to the office on the cell phone.

Steven Spielberg
[OnePlus 7 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] Pawer8:
Thanks. That was a perfect analogy.

To be honest I could live with a phone with 2 usb-c. Just buy... 5 adapters and use some heatshrink to secure them.

As I'm writing this I'm using both the usb and the jack on my phone.

That wouldn't be too crazy would it?
[OnePlus 7 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] Src52:
While I mean no offense to you, I think people who trash talk phones without headphone jacks just want something to complain about. The headphone jack isn't gone. Just use an adapter. There's your headphone jack as an option if you so desperately need it.

Sure, it's a half an inch long cord, but there's the absolutely perfect solution to your problem.

I know you're going to reply to this by saying "But it's so inconvenient! It would be so much more convenient if it was built in! I'll lose the cable!",

You can either use an adapter, hook it onto the end of your wired headphones so you don't lose it, or you can not have a headphone jack at all, and make posts on an anonymous Internet forum about how disappointed you are.

Technology nowadays is extremely powerful, and it's honestly a pretty amazing marvel of engineering and skill. A little lightweight rectangle that can access the biggest archive of information known to man, and you just kind of gripe about some port that you can reattach if you really wanted to? Or the size of a screen? If the screen is too big, get a smaller screen!

I really do apologise if this comes off as rude, but it seems really really trivial to me. The tech world can't cater to your every whim, and if you really want it to that bad, get a phone with a headphone jack and a smaller screen.

To me, your post just gives off a really, entitled sort of vibe. Again, no offense meant towards you.
[OnePlus 7 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] _Dennis_:
Most cars don't come with the option to have a manual transmission anymore. Most companies don't want to lose the fuel economy numbers they can get out of a automatic transmission (most more get better gas mileage then manuals) and they know not many people will want to buy the manual.

It comes down to economics, is not worth making two similar phones, with the difference being the 3.5mm Jack. After that, someone will complain they want a micro USB instead of USB-C, so we'll need for versions. Then someone likes LCD instead of AMOLED. Where do the options end? If enough people want the 3.5mm jack, someone will stay including it in their phones to Target that market.
[OnePlus 7 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] Gnubaver:
I'm going to end this discussion right here.

It's literally impossible to play games with wireless headphones because of the delay.

So yeah, we still need the 3.5mm jack.

And if you say otherwise, you don't know what you're talking about.
[OnePlus 7 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] Src52:
Use an adapter. Problem solved, no delay, no headphone jack needed.

It's not literally impossible, you just don't like it. I haven't noticed any delay with my OP Bullets on BT at all.

We don't need the headphone jack at all.

"I'm gonna end this discussion right here"
[OnePlus 7 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] Reuben_skelz92:
Also you know if it has a headphone jack or not before you buy a phone. Need a headphone jack get a different phone with one. Not trash talk phones without it
[OnePlus 7 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] _Dennis_:
Impossible? Are you saying you play some sort of reaction game that uses sound as a trigger?

What about phones that don't have surround sounds audio? Are they impossible to use to play since you can't hear things behind you?

I've had Bluetooth headphones with near 0 delay, they work great for what I need them for.
[OnePlus 7 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] Eric214:
ROFL, no USB-C that's hysterical. No charging, PC connection, use of recovery tools... That's the most retarded statement I've heard... Did you have a stroke or something?
[OnePlus 7 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] Gnubaver:
I've tried a couple of wireless headphones, and a couple of reviews say that using for example the Bullet Wireless 2 adds a 1-2 second delay while playing PUBG. Making it impossible to play.

This is nothing new.
[OnePlus 7 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] Src52:
So you're basing your entire view of Bluetooth headphones on a couple of random reviewers on the internet? Without even trying it yourself? Come on now, what? If so, you have no leg to stand on in this argument

Regardless, an adapter is the solution to your problem.No delay, + wired headphones. You don't need a headphone jack, and if you want it, buy the OP6 or the Pixel 3A
[OnePlus 7 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] Gnubaver:
Adapter comprimises sound quality, which i would like to have when playing for example rhythm games.
[OnePlus 7 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] fuzzmo:
This is my first phone without a headphone jack. I would have preferred one so that I didn't have to fork out for the bullets 2! However pros and cons with all things. That being said I do like the convenience of the fact that it is less in the way when I have to take off (and put on) my bag. BT5 appears to use less power and consequently less battery. No drop outs so far. Battery indicator so I at least know when my headphones need a top up. All of this was missing with my previous phone. Sound quality is very good with this latest range (yes not as good as wireless but the difference isn't a deal breaker for me). Also you can leave it hanging around your head without having to disconnect from your phone and put it into your bag etc. Small, but convenient things for me.

Range of good wireless BT headphones is narrow though. We lament the trend but to be honest this is tech in a nutshell. We are being sort of forced down this route which is the thing which people understandably are pushing back on. That being said we were down this route with CRTs and the advent of LCD TVs. Back then there was a pretty solid argument against LCDs (colour reproduction, contrast, smoothness of picture etc). However fast forward 15 years later (just the 15 :D) and then the latest OLEDs blow anything we thought about CRTs out of the water.

Same will happen here. The more the uptake, the better the tech will get, the better the codecs will get as well as the battery life (I hope, it's taken a long while for manufacturers to take that seriously in smart phones). Then in 2-3 years time you will probably get BT headphones which will begin to stand toe to toe with the more top end headphones (a bit of a guess but it will happen eventually).
[OnePlus 7 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] Src52:
If sound quality is absolutely paramount to you for your phone experience, and you've found that using an adapter is inadequate in providing that, then your only option is to get a phone with a headphone jack. The problem solved itself then.
[OnePlus 7 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] Pawer8:
As I said previously I'd be fine having something like 2 usb ports. The adapter is not the issue.

At no point I talked trash. I never said the phones without a jack are bad. They are not for me so I don't buy them but they are good.

My worry is that someday that option will not be there anymore
[OnePlus 7 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] Pawer8:
1. In the eu market most cars have a manual option

2. That is actually what car companies do. Offering as many different models as possible based on the same platform. They get a wider range of products (more customers) while reducing cost since most of the parts are shared. And I wouldn't try to argue that with someone that works in that industry lol
[OnePlus 7 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] ronii1123:
Recently I've acquired an old iPod. I'm probably gonna get a recent iPod Touch since those were refreshed recently. I wanna be able to listen to my music similarly to how I have been on my phone. Plus, Face Time is unmatched.
[OnePlus 7 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] Eric214:
Probably shouldn't comment but this is getting it off hand. If phones without a 3.5mm Jack aren't for you... THEN WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING COMPLAINING IN A PHONE FORUM OF A PHONE THAT DOESN'T HAVE A JACK?!?.

If the option is there anymore then learn to deal with it or carry a damn iPod! Seriously people now need a friggin therapist for a missing 3.5mm headphone jack?

People just need to STFU about bs they complain about just to hear or see themselves talk.
[OnePlus 7 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] cronojay:
Can we close this, seems like this is a useless topic considering that One plus removed the headphone jack on previous one plus phone and phones from numerous other companies from Google, Motorola, and Apple. That is the trend.
[OnePlus 7 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] Pawer8:
Could you please care to read the original post? Thanks

So far only ONE person has addressed the main topic of this thread. I feel like most people didn't read past "headphone jack"
[OnePlus 7 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] justibasa:
Mods, can you please close this thread as it's pointless and useless.
[OnePlus 7 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] MrJiM:
Haven't cared for 3.5mm jack for years. I prefer we humans make advancement in battery technology instead. I hate wires. But I see usage for the usb-c still. Not for charging. But for connect to PC to root phones. Or unbrick phones.

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[OnePlus 7 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] Eric214:
I read the op just fine and dandy. I'm replying to your LAST post which started phones without a 3.5mm Jack aren't for you. What's the point of the rest anyway if that is the deal breaker for you. Nothing else matters if you won't buy a phone without a 3.5mm Jack. Am I missing something?
[OnePlus 7 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] Pawer8:
That is a good point.

Do you think certain companies that don't want their customers to be able to do those things could start a third trend that could end up affecting 1+?

Charging using wireless charging.

And with companies trying to control more and more the aftermarket market it wouldn't be too far fetched. You're thinking too much as a consumer i think. Also please someone mod this guys offensive comment.

It deviated a bit. Again the jack is the origin of the discussion but what I wanted to discuss is the removal of the usb in the future and the lack of options we may face.

Also the fact that you find it pointless doesn't mean it is for other users. Some have commented with good arguments as to why the think that couldn't happen. If you find it useless you don't need to participate.

Honestly what a great way of ruining an otherwise rather interesting discussion. *clap* *clap*
[OnePlus 7 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] Eric214:
LOL really? You're one of those huh?

Also not thinking at all like a consumer. the FAR majority of people don't want to spend the extra money on wireless charging pads. They will never remove a charging port. Too much in R and D in improving ports still (hence the reason everything is going to USB type C
[OnePlus 7 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] Neekeet:
This guy has the right idea. We have to adapt/evolve with how tech is advancing. Airpod(as a concept) are the direction we are heading towards and this pushes the need to further these technologies even more.

The MK3 are absolutely amazing and it's becomes difficult to miss the jack when you aren't tethered to the cable.
[OnePlus 7 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] _Dennis_:
1. The EU market is great, but it is one market.

2. Yes, but they bundle the crap out of things. You want those cool rims, you need to get the upgraded head unit and sunroof, or yo could order it without the sunroof, but that will take 2 months to deliver. Yes, many cars are built on the same (or substantially similar) chassis, that doesn't mean the phone market will work in the same way. Cars can be built with options in mind, since they are larger and the production can accommodate the changes in the production. Getting a phone that is customization isn't very realistic, the production is more nuanced and smaller. Motorola tried it, and it didn't work very well. Google tried with the modular phone, didn't work.

I might not work in the car industry (and I am not convinced you do either) but I do follow the phone industry quite closely, and tech in general.