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[Samsung Galaxy A70 Questions & Answers] Swordfishx86:
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As Samsung has its own Camera API (which is deprecated since December 1st 2019 though) it is not too surprising that apps using the Camera2 API can't use all features.
[Samsung Galaxy A70 Questions & Answers] James.Miller:
Nope, 3:4H produces 32Mp photos (6528x4896 - 31.9 million pixels). 3:4 produces 12Mp Binned images. 3rd part apps are restricted to 8mp and as swordfishx86 said above this is because that's all that is available through the Camera2 API - 3rd part apps don't have access to Samsung's custom camera API. However, it's worth remembering that Samsung have done **** all to optimise the camera app on the a70 and more often than not, gcam will produce better more detailed images at 8mp than the Samsung camera app does at either 12 or 32mp because Samsung's post processing really is THAT bad on this and probably other A series phones.
[Samsung Galaxy A70 Questions & Answers] Swordfishx86:
Well, the API is available to the public but of course GCam will never use it. Maybe Mark Harman can be talked into something ;)

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[Samsung Galaxy A70 Questions & Answers] James.Miller:
There is not a single 3rd party camera app on the market that has access to the full Samsung API. This has long been an issue with Samsung.

As for gcam, take your pick. I find Parrot043's 7.2 mod is pretty good.
[Samsung Galaxy A70 Questions & Answers] Swordfishx86:
Yes, they all do. Samsungs Camara API is public.
[Samsung Galaxy A70 Questions & Answers] James.Miller:
Show us one camera app that can utilise 32MP with that sensor, or even just change to the wide angle sensor on this phone, then.

Exactly.
[Samsung Galaxy A70 Questions & Answers] James.Miller:
I'm guessing by that edit that you've done some research and realised you were wrong.

There is an difference between what samsung cameras can do and what's made available through the camera 2.0 api. This is something you need to realise. To give you a glimpse, this is what the authors of FilmicPro said about the S9 at the time:

https://filmicpro.helpscoutdocs.com/article/41-samsung-s9-and-s9-filmic-pro-v6-compatibility-guide

Are you beginning to understand now? This has been an issue for years.
[Samsung Galaxy A70 Questions & Answers] dezborders:
32MP pic taken in 4.3 Hi mode using stock Camera

Google photos info clearly states 32MP and over 8MB file size

(Or did I miss the point ?)
[Samsung Galaxy A70 Questions & Answers] Swordfishx86:
We are talking about 3rd-party apps.
[Samsung Galaxy A70 Questions & Answers] Tactman:
[MENTION=1030880]eclyptos[/MENTION]

i totally agree...this camera is on class action law suit level...it is so bad i can't find words to describe it sometimes...

i blame customers in a way...instead of pressuring samsung about poor and insulting camera they are obsessing about fingerprint sensor ( which isn't so bad), and samsung concluded how no one cares about poor camera quality and left people with subpar camera performance...
[Samsung Galaxy A70 Questions & Answers] ndroid1562:
The new Android 10 Update already rolled out in some countries (for example in the Ukraine). Other countries will follow soon. I also hope that the Update will improve the camera. It's really a shame that Samsung made such a bad camera for the Galaxy A70, I'm thinking to buy a new midrange smartphone which costs about 400 Euros but I'm not sure which one. Any recommendations?
[Samsung Galaxy A70 Questions & Answers] eclyptos:
look this way, if somebody pretend to have all for less, it will be always disappointed. On A70 the fingerprint is not working well, it misses many times and I comparing it with the S9 in my hand, on S9 is flawless and beautiful. Also on screen is even worse for the position but let's be honest, who cares, fingerprint is just an extra option, is not doing anything, I will give up now the fingerprint for a good working camera which is the basic of any good phone.

The problem with any update is that is generic. If they do not address the problem in A70 is not going to do anything and I do not want speculate here, I just saying. I hope they see the issue.

The market is overwhelming saturated with too much brands and phones. After 7 years with my Z1 I decided to go with something good and not too expensive but I been fooled like all of us so I really cannot give right now any recommendations. Searching for a good phone over internet it's a painful process. You should go and test them in hand.

My brand new A70 cost me 289 euro and the used for my father 220 (he is perfect with that for his age), so if your budget is 400, like you said, for that price you can find a new Galaxy S9, which is going to be 10 times better than A70 but you will not have the big screen and huge battery. S9 has a curvy glass which I am not a fan of it but the stereo sound is pretty good. Fingerprint and camera work as they should.

Other than that my 2cents are on Redimi K20 Pro and OnePlus 7. K20 is on budget, Oneplus 7 good phone to try.

EDIT: Remember that all phones are following the market so the 32/48MP is another gimmick so I don't know how good they can be, they have to be tested.

I personally prefer 12MP like in S9 but Good.
[Samsung Galaxy A70 Questions & Answers] James.Miller:
Of course it exists, stop being silly. It's been said enough times that it's entirely possible to use the full resolution of the sensor but there's no point because the sensor isn't optimised for that and the samsung camera software is ****. Case in point, gcam takes better photos and that's limited to 8mp on the A70 which is less than Samsung's own camera app. It's that poor.

So anyway, 32mp is real. Come at me, bro.
[Samsung Galaxy A70 Questions & Answers] eclyptos:
You can repeat a Lie many time as you can, that is not make it true, maybe some of who you will convince of it!

I will state it more clearly, 32MP is "handled" by the Sensor just by processing. Because the Sensor can handle 32MP is not make it "real" 32MP.

I can make any picture 32MP digitally from standard pics, when you zoom they will look like crap, same happening on A70.

And finally you got the point, Development, development in processing that is the major issue. Also you cannot blame limited Gcam to 8MP, if so, when I downsize to 8MP the stock camera it should been better than Gcam, but it dosen't, it is even worse, so even on the same level equally both 8MP, Gcam still better.

You probably are able to go to a Pro photographers with experience and tell them all that they are silly too?

If what are you saying is true why the hell the sensors in a Professional 12MP cameras are big like rocks? By you they do not know how to do the digital cameras right?

Give ma a brake!
[Samsung Galaxy A70 Questions & Answers] James.Miller:
What the actual **** are you talking about?

Read what I said. Again. And let it sink in. No lies told by me.

I didn't blame gcam for anything. I said gcam was better at 8mp than the stock camera is at 12mp. Learn to read? :rolleyes:
[Samsung Galaxy A70 Questions & Answers] eclyptos:
Did you said to come to you? I did, why you tripping, Brooo. LOL

If you repeat a Lie said by someone else, is that make you NOT a liar? Double LOL

Sorrry....lol

My claim is that surely it's a fact that Development of the processing is crap BUT again, the amount of data and light to reach detail for 32MP with that thing we have in A70 is NOT POSSIBLE. If we get an update and they address the issue we all going to be happy but it still will NOT be ever fully implemented because is IMPOSSIBLE. Take a Pro Camera 16MP with a rock Sensor, the detail in that picture is amazing. Never going to happen on A70, and others too.

People have to stop going with this crap for big MP numbers, that is just the way you get fooled, speaking from experience...lol...
[Samsung Galaxy A70 Questions & Answers] James.Miller:
It's not a lie. Repeating that false accusation over and over does not make that accusation any more true.

They are very different devices. I could say the same about any SLR bundled with a cheap lens. I could, but i wouldnt...because the sensors are massively larger.

More fool you, then. Do some more research next time and dont buy a mid range PHONE expecting it to output pin-sharp 32 megapixel images like a pro SLR.
[Samsung Galaxy A70 Questions & Answers] eclyptos:
Stop fool your self. Why did you take that long to answer, did you get lost to research for it?

You pretty ignorant, I brought a mid-range because I was not pretending in fist place, I know that 32MP was a cliche' but in fact Samsung did worse than that.

You will not win with your stupidity, I was not comparing Samsung crap to a pro SLR, it was just an example to put in your head how it really works, and I will give an another example if you cannot get it, My old LG G4 with 1 lens, has better pictures than a brand new A70, 4 years of difference in production, right now in my hands. So again, We are not expecting to get Pro Hi End Pics, we are pretending that if the market push all of US to buy new phones, at least, I said, AT LEAST they have to be better than the Mid-Range Old Phones, because if they are not, we have a problem here. They Lie and Fool all of US, and I will never accept that.
[Samsung Galaxy A70 Questions & Answers] fizzingbees:
Stop fighting guys.

Blame it to pixel binning tech and numbers that sound impressive on paper.
[Samsung Galaxy A70 Questions & Answers] James.Miller:
Because I have a life. That's the only reason I need.

Of course you compared them, you brought up SLRs and made a direct comparison. You can't then dismiss it because it suddenly doesn't fit your argument any more. Maybe you shouldn't have brought them up at all.

Why does the camera HAVE to be better? I feel like I need to point this out again; it's a mid range phone. They can't pack everything in and do it all to everybody's expectations. It just doesn't work. There's you saying the camera HAS to be better but you aren't mentioning that the battery is bigger, the chipset is faster, it has more ram, it has more storage, the screen literally pisses all over the g4 in every, single, way but no..no, if the camera isn't better it's all a lie? I wasn't duped because I KNEW the camera was inferior to my old phone. So what does that say about the difference between you and I ?

You need to get a grip on reality and manage your expectations better. After all, you could have just...checked out a review before buying the handset. That's really easy you know?
[Samsung Galaxy A70 Questions & Answers] eclyptos:
You don't get really the point, do you? The comparison was not direct to SLRs models but to any digital cameras that use bigger sensor and less MP, there is a logic in that and this is a fact, so I think I am talking to a selfish egoistic man here that will deny everything to get his point out.

Let me see if I get to you, if they will just used a 12MP with the ACTUAL Sensor they put in it, the pictures will be flawless, but they use the hook of the 32MP, now to have at least good pictures with that 32MP processing you NEED a bigger and better Sensor behind all the development, which obviously they do not put on a mid-range phone, so they screw up. Do you get it?

Did I said that? Did I? No. I did not say that everything is a lie because of a crappy camera, don't be silly my man ok? I am pointing out just the camera which in my case its a MUST in everyday life. With all the effort they did to put all the specs you just mentioned there was no problem to make a proper camera with less effort, no argue with that, but if you want insist on you point, go for it.

Yes, I am a jackass, I know it but I also did what you saying, I watched plenty of reviews on Youtube and I can post them if you want, they are ALL the same, they do not want blame nobody and they said that the camera is good, not the best but you cannot see properly what they talking about, only when you get it in your hands. Maybe they got the good one, who knows, but look like many are complaining so the problem is pretty common.

Literally my eye are having a big problem to focus on all the pictures my A70 does, as soon I zoom a bit I get a headache.

So whatever man...
[Samsung Galaxy A70 Questions & Answers] James.Miller:
You know the sensors used in phones are MUCH smaller than SLRs, right? or any camera for that matter. Take a Canon 5d Mk2, it's 21mp sensor is 36x24mm (864mm2). Do you know how big the S20 ultra's 108mp sensor is? 9.5x7.3mm, or 69.35mm2. 12 times smaller. If you know anything about sensors, anything at all, then you'll know why that's important. You cant just slap a 12mp sensor in a camera phone and expect 'flawless' photos as you put it. It doesn't work like that.

Yeah, you did?

It's. A. Budget. Phone. If you want a phone with a brilliant camera for a budget price, dont buy one that goes large on the screen, battery and storage. It shouldnt be this difficult for you to understand ...

Well, i retracted that statement from my last post but you must have been there waiting and pounced on my reply as i removed it 5 minutes after posting... and you posted ~20 minutes later and managed to quote it.

Your eyes sound broken. Or your phone is. Or your head is, if zooming gives you a headache (wtf?). Maybe all three.
[Samsung Galaxy A70 Questions & Answers] eclyptos:
You are ingnorant, You point out SLRs, I never did. You can be a smart mouth as much as you want, I can post too all details to compare everything to sustain my point, I am a big fan of Sony cameras because I own one and looking for another one and on their web side my point is very clear, it is stated by them if you do not believe me, Sony took on HX60 a CMOS Exmor 7,76 mm (1/2,3") and used 20MP, guess what, they had problems because 20MP was to much for it and we are talking about Digital Cameras, made for pictures, then with HX90 they kept same Sensor but they reduced the MP to 18.2 to avoid issues with the sensor, noise and increase quality pics, and I am here waste my time with a stupid dude.

No, you!

Read my previous posts, you missed something, I have a Galaxy S9 in my hand to compare it too and guess what, beautiful pictures and they use 12MP ONLY, on a HI-END Device, ha!

I quote everything, at least I know my self.

Or maybe you should go to hell?
[Samsung Galaxy A70 Questions & Answers] James.Miller:
Erm...

Showing me an example of a company reducing the number of pixels on a sensor used in a camera doesn't support your argument at all, it supports mine. Did Sony lie when they released the hx60 like Samsung did ? Nah of course they didn't, because you love Sony and hate Samsung, right?

ROFL keep going ...

What? What does that mean? Are you ok? :confused:

I didn't miss it, it was irrelevant. I never said that megapixels were a direct measure of picture quality. I never said anything of the sort. I'm not sure why you are now moving the goal posts and changing the argument. Wait, yes I am - you're desperate ;) guess what, my old canon 400d SLR still takes some pretty good photos with a sigma lens on it too, and that's a 10.1mp sensor. Is it relevant at all to this discussion? No.

Unsurprisingly, you missing my point. You pounced on my posts as quickly as you could then took twenty full minutes to write your reply. Desperation. I wouldn't have even cared but after your sad little jab at me for not sitting, drooling on my keyboard waiting for a reply from some nobody on a internet forum....well, I like to point out hypocrisy when I see it.

Solid reply, lol. Instead of myself taking a trip to visit hell, why don't we talk more about how zooming gives you a headache. Yeah, let's talk more about that ... What's hilarious is you'd sooner call Samsung liars than consider your phone is actually broken if every photo, like you claim, is blurry. Because I can assure you, I can take some very sharp photos with mine if the light is sufficient. But naaahh, you'd rather just tell me to go to hell than have to explain that nonsense you just came out with..because you know you can't.

Go away with that nonsense. Zooming gives you headaches. LOL.
[Samsung Galaxy A70 Questions & Answers] eclyptos:
Bla, bla, bla, bla.... Your are just pointless. Like I said smart mouth, I am not desperate, I am pissed off about your ignorance for a simple fact, there is a logic reason in stress less the sensor by reducing the MP. Flagship phones using from 12mp to 16mp for a reason. Cameras, using from 10mp to 18.2mp for a reason. You just don't get it! You will keep going forever, I know, you brain is one way and nothing will change.
[Samsung Galaxy A70 Questions & Answers] James.Miller:
Lol. Desperate.
[Samsung Galaxy A70 Questions & Answers] MarvinMod:
The a70 camera specs:

32 MP, f/1.7, 26mm (wide), 1/2.8", 0.8µm, PDAF

8 MP, f/2.2, 12mm (ultrawide), 1/4.0", 1.12µm

5 MP, f/2.2, (depth)

The a70 camera resolution is software based, not hardware. You'll never get 32mp on a 3rd party camera app. Youll only be able to obtain 32mp on the stock camera app due to samsungs licensed app software that will not be relased as open source. 🖖
[Samsung Galaxy A70 Questions & Answers] Zilliman:
Does the sensor produce 32MP or does it produce fewer pixels and then the firmware/software upscales?

Also the f/1.7 is very impressive. From the little I know about cameras the only thing stopping a normal lens go wide is the unacceptable distortion from the optics. A low f-stop usually means better quality optics.
[Samsung Galaxy A70 Questions & Answers] SuperDroid519:
I have now purchased 2 A70's and i can say with confidence that the first one i purchased back in early 2020 took way better pictures than this one im using now.

Im not sure how or why but i figure id throw this information in the mix.

Probably useless info, but info none the less. 😅
[Samsung Galaxy A70 Questions & Answers] Zilliman:
Without testing and quantifiable results, "takes way better pictures" is pretty much a useless statement.
[Samsung Galaxy A70 Questions & Answers] MarvinMod:
The a 70 in fact has a 32 mp camera sensor. It also has a 12 and an 8.
[Samsung Galaxy A70 Questions & Answers] SuperDroid519:
I can also confirm that this is true. My first A70 was confiscated by police and the 2nd and 3rd A70s thst i purchased take way lesser quality pictures than my first one did.

My first A70 took absolutely stunning pictures. I miss it
[Samsung Galaxy S10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] elliwigy:
Hello!

I just picked up a SM-G975U to play with.

Before you get your hopes up, Root and BL Unlock is NOT POSSIBLE on USA variants at this time!

I created this discussion so those willing and able can brainstorm with me with hopes of achieving root or unlock.

Now I wouldnt be creating this thread if I didnt think it was possible or without some form of teasers.

Dont ask me how but flashing combo is possible. I cannot and will not share the method/files as they are not mine to do so.

I noticed on combo this time around if you toggle oem unlock there is a tag that says "OEM Unlocked" when you enter download mode. When you long press vol up it also takes you to the unlock screen. After pressing vol up to accept it reboots and wipes data.

I am not sure the steps after this but so far havent been successful in flashing modified firmware. It is possible this is just a visual but I feel this is closer than any past devices ive owned. Anyone with know how on where the flash lock bit is stored would be of great help.

I should be able to flash some partitions after modifying them such as vbmeta or dtbo etc. to hopefully unlock the BL if I only knew what to modify.

This is not a how-to or dev thread so dont expect me to share any files. It is merely to discuss how the BL is unlocked on SD S10 devices to hopefully lead to an unlock down the road.

To my understanding, toggling the oem unlock sets a bit that tells the system that oem unlocking is allowed as well as disables security such as frp. This persists across reboots and firmware flashes etc.

After that, in DL mode there is a tag that also says device is oem unlocked. At this point you need to actually hold vol up to actually oem unlock the device.

After this I am unclear. We should be able to flash custom firmware at which verified boot state will be orange and the flash lock bit is 0. In my case, verified state is still green and flash lock is still 1 and flashes fail unless officially signed.

I know the dtbo is related to verity and vbmeta to verified boot. Vaultkeeeper to rlc. Then you have metadata, a few "keys" related partitions etc etc.

What is everyones take on this? Any ideas/suggestions are greatly appreciated in advance!
[Samsung Galaxy S10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] elliwigy:
some screens
[Samsung Galaxy S10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] galaxys:
Welcome aboard! Appreciate all your work from the Note9! Kudos
[Samsung Galaxy S10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] krazy_smokezalot:
Hey OP I know you from somewhere.... epic touch 4g forums?? I cant remember what device you had but anyways great to see you here. You think maybe chatting with the people that got root on enoxy may point you in the right direction. I know its enoxy and we got SD which is different but maybe a shot?*♂️
[Samsung Galaxy S10+ Guides, News, & Discussion] elliwigy:
haha I did own an epic 4g touch back in the day.. was more lurking way back then but who knows lol

for an update, no luck yet lol. been messin with combo on g975u but no easy way in yet. I have managed to change some stuff on efs and other partitions.

the binary checks sammy implemented starting in the s9 devices sucks.

I am still looking though.