yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] ryanbg:
And I thought that was common sense... haha I know what you are saying, I really don't know what point I am trying to make.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] dcd1182:
previous rant removed...

i am scrapping the diamond stuff. i have put alot of hours into it and everything i bring over either:

a) is buggy

b) doesnt work

c) doesnt fit the scope of this kitchen - feels bloated or unnecessary

thats all for now :)
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] neophyte.vii:
Thanks for the update.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] xv6800ProUser:
Im using 3.1.2 with 3.39.10.

I have the following cabs installed, and am getting a pretty quick memory leak.

Arcsoft

carrier cab

iconbar cab

live search

image viewer

neohand pocket bartender (doesn't work)

adobe reader SPC

flashplayer 7

PCM Keyboard

Happy tapping keyboard

AC IM selector

I also have the SPB pocket shell's installed (interface)

Perhaps someone here can determine which one of these cabs is causing my device to drop from 22mb to 8 in a matter of 6 hours.

Lets get this resolved guys so we can point out hazardous cabs in the future.

Perhaps this website can feature cabs that are known to NOT cause leaks? now THAT would be really helpful.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] aguas:
there are hundreds, probably thousands, of applications that are compatible with our devices. compiling a list would take a huge amount of resources just to show what can be found with a simple search. it is a known problem that there is some sort of memory leakage with this ROM. but then again, there is memory leaking with the stock ROM's, and it's worse IMO. so, hard reset, and start over. install one cab at a time until you find your problem files.

and if i had to guess, SPB pocket plus and the other user interfaces are RAM eaters. you may want to start there.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] dcd1182:
i disagree. i recently flashed 3.1.2, installed nothing, and did not setup my AS push mail and let the device sit for 24 hours. result = 23mb free at start, 23mb free 24 hours later. case closed as far as i am concerned.

i think he did a good job including necessary details and one of his additions is the culprit. but off the top of my head (at this hour) im not sure what.

on another note: following in the footsteps of my hard buttons, my touchscreen went out this evening. i cant do much until i get the device replaced, hopefully this week.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] bunvilla:
I have to agree with u DCD on this one! I have been using the 3.12 release since it came out and the last thing i get is a memory leak from the rom. I have installed some progs that cause memory leaks, but it is not the rom release 3.12.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] aguas:
well i get memory leaks on every ROM ive flashed, but DCD's tends to be the most stabalized when idling. just the memory 'diappearing' throughout the day, with nothing running, no push e-mail, nothing. someone's ROM i tried a while back went from 20mb to 7.5mb RAM in 2 and a half hours.

DCD, while we are on the subject, but upping my page pool gives me less free RAM, correct? i love the quickness of it now, but it is about 5 mb less RAM. but for some reason my programs run exactly the same, with less RAM.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] xv6800ProUser:
Well if we all help each other and colaborate, there wouldn't be a need to test each cab as we install it, or hard reset each time we come across a stupid memory leak.

I'm going to make a note of which cabs i find to leak, and i suggest everyone else to do the same. Make everyone elses life a little bit easier.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] Zenoran:
Just wanted to contribute on the leakage...

ROM def causes a bad leak... I'm sure with a clean rom and nothing else on it you don't see the problem but who doesn't install apps on their phone?

I've been using DCD roms ever since I got my pda and thought the leak to death was a windows mobile thing until I switched over to n2c's rom... I use the same (or more) apps on his ROM and ALWAYS restore back up to 19-20mb even after days not restarting... I was lucky to get to the end of the day on dcd rom with 12-14mb free before I would have to restart.

sucks, I really like dcd's clean roms... im mostly finding myself taking a lot of the oem's from these roms and putting them in n2c.. just can't deal with the memory leak anymore esp when u know u dont have to.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] gc14:
You do realize you just contradicted yourself right?
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] Idimmu:
heheheh...sorry, made me gigle a little bit
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] Zenoran:
Okay, I guess if you read that literally I did. ROM contains all operating system and applications (in the image)... when I refer to ROM I typically mean the OS. In dcd "ROM" case it pretty much is just the OS with no apps, hence the clean ROM? Afterall, in this community we refer to "ROMs" as dcd, no2chem, etc etc... hence my phrasing. Seriously, do I need to explain this further?

DCD said he installed the ROM with no additional apps and there was no problem with memory. My point was, who installs the rom and leaves it with no applications on it? Is that really a good test to say case closed?
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] dcd1182:
the point is that the ROM isnt leaking memory, the additional apps are. theres nothing for me to "fix". no2chem has squeezed some extra available RAM but to my knowledge he hasnt overhauled MS's code to fix some sort of leak. his ROM has more free RAM than mine, this has been pointed out over and over (and over, and over, and over, and over). for the people who require that additional free RAM maybe his rom is better suited to their needs.

if you can point out what it is you would like me to change in my ROM to avoid this problem I would be glad to look at it. I will not be attempting to fix any rumored memory leak existing within WM code as I recieved it or HTC's drivers as I recieved them.

edit: im really not trying to be a ****, i just dont know what i can possibly do for people with an issue of not enough RAM on this device.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] rajuabju:
what, are you telling me you are not willing to go that 'extra mile' for us an solder on an extra 64mb of ram? common dcd, i thought so highly of you before, but now i'm just disappointed!!!! just cause the red wings won doesnt mean you're allowed to start slacking off!

/sarcasm
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] Zenoran:
Okay, obviously this is being taken personally and that's not my intention.. I was merely contributing to the comments others said they were having while using this ROM.

For the sake of clarifcation, I just want to say that my issues have not been related to overall free memory after boot... Obviously, if there is more memory free you're going to see more after running additional apps but my problem has been specifically after running with apps throughout the day and the free memory getting smaller and smaller as the day goes on. I specifically noticed this while doing heavy text messaging.

I have no idea what you guys are doing with these ROMs and I can't even begin to contribute any kind of an intelligent idea of what is causing this but I am not blind, nor an idiot. I'm not trying to stir up drama or create rumors of a leak but there is def something different between your rom and no2chem's which allows the release of memory properly after an application closes.

With my batch of apps I have loaded at any given moment I start out (after boot is done) around 20.5mb free. Honestly, I had about the same amount of free memory with your ROM so I'm not sure how people are getting more out of no2c's, I might have had 19.5 on yours. In any event, that 20.5mb does decrease to about 19.5mb after I've been using it quite a bit but it always releases back to that after using oxios.

On dcd ROM... same apps... same activity and that 20mb free gets lower and lower throughout the day as I open and close applications. It usually would bottom out around 13-14mb free before I would restart and be back to 20mb again.

Call it what you will.. but it does happen on my device. I don't know what can be SO DIFFERENT between your ROM and no2c's, seeing as you're both using wm6.1... but something def causes memory to decrease throughout usage... Something I never saw on stock vzw ROM either, although that's wm6.

Again, I'm an avid fan of your work, have donated a few times, and I am not trying to call you out saying your work is crap... Just merely stating my observations after numerous, numerous, NUMEROUS different ROM flashing combinations since I've had my device.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] ebb:
I've switched back and forth a few times between 3.1.2 and n2c's 5067-5069. As far as significant added programs, I set up exactly the same:

Pocket plus 4.02

s2u2 1.03

HHC 1.0 with 2.1xxx plug in

Verizon Wireless Sync.

All of these programs are known memory hogs, but these are the programs I like.

On dcd's, I use whatever the default page pool is (6mb?). On n2c I change the page pool to 9mb. When all is said and done, both stabilize after soft reset at about 13mb free ram, with dcd going down to about 11.5 after some point. To me, they both work and run about the same. The only real difference is that with n2c, for me, data connection with verizon does not initiate correctly, unless I overlay dcd's verizon carrier cab. So maybe the small difference is due to the availability of data connection with dcd, vs. n2c's "on/off" setup, and this is what people see as a "leak" in dcd. To me, dcd just works better for data connection, which is the most important function, for me.

And, I'll add, what's the big deal with extra free ram? I don't see any issues with anything, including PIE, running with 11- 13 mb free.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] ryanwood:
I love the new ram except for one thing: GPS. I am sure this has been mentioned a thousand times before, but has anyone found a way to get a faster response? Mine takes over 5 minutes. Before I updated to the new radio the GPS lock was in seconds, now its forever. I am sure it is the radio and not the rom. Is there anything I can do?
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] corey113888:
I check 3 things to get good GPS with my xv6800 with DCD 3.1.2 and 3.39.10 radio.

1. First, use Baf's GPS Toggler to toggle it when you are not using it.

2. Check the following registry settings. [HKLM\Software\HTC\SUPL AGPS]

---> GPSMode=4 I don't know exactly what it does, but I find it gets a lock faster that the default (2). http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=2121507&postcount=4

3. Check your location setting is on in the phone setting.

I usually toggle the GPS on before I know I going to use it. It does use more battery. Then open Google Maps and bam! Sometimes I toggle it on then go right into Google Maps an it already has a lock.

PS, I have the same experiences with no2chem 5060 and 5069. I think maybe DCD works better for VZW? They are both great roms. I go back and forth allot and cant see which is better. Im stickin with DCD for now. I do know the 3.49 rom did not work well for me at all.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] dcd1182:
no no i didnt take anything personally, im just at a loss as for how to help you. there is no way for me to say 'maybe you should consider another rom' without sounding like im blowing you off, which isnt my intention.

i urge everybody to try the other ROMs and kitchens available as mine is not for everyone. i did not realize you were such a long time user and fan (now that i think/look back, i should have, sorry).

no2chem's rom is more heavily modified from stock than mine. i have not used it since he changed his partition tables, but i read his changelog, and sometimes his thread @ ppcgeeks. i know he has moved nk.exe within XIP - depending on which direction he moved it, this could free up RAM (at one point there was nearly 2mb wasted in my XIP... not so much anymore). I know he has also rewritten at least one driver from scratch, something I do not have the knowledge to do. depending what this difference you have identified is, it may or may not be something i can even implement myself.

i do see the logic behind your observation and of course i believe you, i just dont have any identified object to "fix". maybe, we should aski no2chem why his does not exhibit the same behavior for an idea of where to look.

i am sorry if my previous post was misleading, i am only frustrated because i want to help you.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] Zenoran:
no worries at all.. There are lots of things that can go into one person seeing things and others not seeing anything at all, and it's mostly based on software combinations (which NO ONE can plan for)... running everything on a "Microsoft" operating system doesn't exactly help things either :)

I have a "new" refurb comin' tomorrow, I'm going to load your rom on there first and run with it for a while to see if I see the same things happening again. I really really prefer your ROM/kitchen to the ppcgeeks kitchen (for more reasons than 10) and will always encourage and contribute to the development of your work in any way I can.

Thanks for your comments :cool:
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] serfboreds:
Bump...

Is there any reason this carrier cab with MMS is smaller than DCDs carrier cab (yours is 225kb, his is 629kb)?
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] dcd1182:
when the mms settings were in it the cab was also compressed.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] gc14:
That post is really old and I should point out that I now use the standard 629 kb cab along with the VZW Arcsoft cab.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] ZinFab:
Hi All, I have not flashed a phone yet only my Ipaq I do not understand the carrier cab story? What is it excatly, I'm guessing its the cell phne company and if so then those listed are not from South Africa what then?
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] dcd1182:
where did you get your titan? what rom is on it now? who's your carrier?
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] bunvilla:
FYI to all,

when i switch com mgrs to the 1 i like, i noticed, that the irda or (infra red beam)

is on in DCD 3.12. With the mod com mgr that comes with the DCD 3.12 u dont see the infra red beam option.(dcd told us y in a previous post) Just wondering if that could be a culprit.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] dcd1182:
your alternative comm manager is showing you the state of isenabled=1 or isenabled=0.

this now controls whether the service loads at all, so it is set =1

on wm6.1, this does not mean that IR is enabled. in other words, your comm manager is lying to you.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] ZinFab:
Hi

I got it here in South Africa from Vodacom, current rom is win mobile 5, like I said never done this with a phone only my Ipaq ALL assistance appreciated
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] bunvilla:
no good lying comm mgr! bastards all of them!

Well does this mean that i have IR functionality or just an illusion ?? it does turn on and off according to the com mgr, the new 1.

It doesnt show anything else as being on that was not on when i switched, and the "beam" under connections in the settings just says "to allow all beams" or something like that, but doesnt say whether it is on or not. So thats all i can see and so i thought, u never know.

but thanks for the reply
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] eXplicit815:
Palringo...

I've noticed with 3.1.2 that when I am using Palringo, and I get a text message or anything like that that comes up over it, it will close Palringo. For example, when I am on Palringo, I get a text message and choose to reply, when I reply to the message and go back to Palringo, it's been closed completely.

Anyone else getting the same thing???:confused:
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] bowser001:
sprint carrier cab

is there a cab for vogue by sprint i only notice dcds titan carrier would be nice to have my mobile email settings but cant since my phone is now recognized as the titan
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] aguas:
:rolleyes: try the VOGUE forum. this is the TITAN forum. ROMs are not cross-device compatible.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] serfboreds:
Direct Draw

DCD,

Could you address your efforts to fix the broken Direct Draw issue on the Titan?

I read from aguas that N2C's rom address these, but I like your roms better for stability (and other reasons). Is this something that you do not plan to address or something that is too much of an undertaking? It would make such a difference if you could work some magic on this.

You are really the best and have really made this phone much more useful for me, and I don't want to downplay your amazing work. This is just a question on the one thing that seems to be still broken on the Titan.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] Scrufdog:
hey dcd,

do you have any sort of time frame for the next version? no pressure or anything, i wasnt sure if you're going to wait for the official or just had such a long list that it was taking a bit.

thanks again
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] gc14:
Just a little preview of what's to come for all of you who are chomping at the bit for a new release...

Before UC (clean rom with nothing installed):

Free RAM at boot = 26.8 Mb

Free RAM after 24 hours = 25.7 Mb

After UC with the following programs installed:

Adobe Reader 2.5

Arcsoft MMS 5.0.31.19

FTouchSL

Pocket Notepad

StartClean

Google Maps

Holux GpsViewer

HTC Album

HTC Home

HTC Home Customizer

HTC Voice Recorder

MusicID

Pocket RAR

PHM Registry Editor

Resco Explorer 2008

Resco FTP 2008

S2U2 1.03

psShutXP

SKTools

Slick

SlingPlayer Mobile

VisualGPSce

Voicemail Today

Weather Watcher

YouTubePlay

Skyfire Browser

Live Search

Garmin Mobile XT

iContact 0.73

HTC Task Manager 2.1.34072.100

Vistahide Battery Gauge

Esmertec Jbed 20071119.3.1

Opera Mini 4.1.11355 20080522

DxC IPhone Dialer v.3c

Free RAM at boot = 22 Mb

Free RAM after 24 hours = 21.4 Mb
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] blueglide:
Wow...looks good! How long do you usually test out a ROM before release and what kind of 'bugs' are you looking for since its impossible to test with every conceivable combination?? Does a ROM have to work 'perfect' before release or are some 'issues' acceptable and worked out thru community feedback? Just curious.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] kashabrown:
Sounds like a plan GC - hope you guys are going to let it fly soon :)
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] viper8u2:
nice, how close are you guys to releasing? I have been itching to try a new rom.

Still on dcd 3.01 with radio 3.35
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] Scrufdog:
GC, just noticed your in Boston. I'm working in Braintree, MA... how close are you to here? Maybe I could come see a preview..... heh heh
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] gc14:
I live on Cambridge Street in Allston.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] bunvilla:
Call me crazy, but serfboreds have u installed dcd's 3.12 release???????????

Its the ONLY rom release, Proprietary or custom that directdraw actually works !!!

Its 1 of the main reasons I use 3.12 rom/ of coarse ive been meaning to see if it is just different drivers or a file of some sort that makes it work in the 3.12 release.

I was planning on figuring it out, then i could add the directdraw functionality to other rom release, but thats a different thread.

BUT YES DCD HAS (inadvertently or intentionally) ADDRESSED THE DIRECTDRAW ISSUE!!!

sidenote:unless for some reason nobody else has directdraw working, and im just a freak of nature.

ps: i did mean to yell:D
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] morganlowe:
Why would I with this rom and radio get random txt messages from "Voice mail system" and it wont let any of my real messages come through?..

I did some legwork, the carrier cab for sprint isnt installing correctly for some reason. I downloaded the ROM And it worked fine.

Is there a way you can give me the autorun used in the ROM DCD?
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] serfboreds:
I will try it tomorrow. So what you are saying is if you run TCPMP and go to video settings, and select direct draw, it does not jump every two seconds when playing a video? Please check this out for me. I thought everyone had to have raw frame buffer to get it to look decent.

I just got 3.39 going on 3.04 and was going to wait for DCDs new ROM (based on the input of GC). I checked the notes for this new ROM and did not notice any mention of Direct Draw being addressed since 3.04. I have been really happy with this build, but am interested enough to upgrade for the sake of better graphics acceleration I will upgrade.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] nosmohtac:
I didn't really know what the previous poster was talking about, until you mentioned TCPMP. I tried the direct draw setting in TCPMP and it played without the stuttering, but the audio cut out every 10 to 20 seconds for a second or so.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] serfboreds:
And if you put it on rawframe buffer is there a audio cutout?

Anyone else have feedback on this?
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] nosmohtac:
No, No audio cutout on rawframe buffer, but this is still amazing!!!

I haven't even tried the directdraw setting since one of the original ROM's for the Mogul because it was so choppy it was unwatchable. Now, I try it with this ROM and it plays as smooth as rawframe buffer.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] serfboreds:
So, someone correct me, but if direct draw plays only as good as rawframe buffer but no better, and direct draw setting has an audio cutout, rawframe is still more desireable, right?

This is great news, but I am a little confused why direct draw isn't better than rawframe if it is really working. Check out a scene, say from Spiderman or something with a lot of movement and detail. For those scenes where it is panning rawframe has a bit of a jump, but not much. Direct draw should be better in those scenes.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] nosmohtac:
I tried the same action and panning scenes in both rawframe and directdraw modes, and I saw no noticeable difference between the two. This is still curious though because directdraw has never worked before AFAIK.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] ranmasaotome510:
keep in mind that the new directdraw we have is just a revised version that does NOT have the actual dependencies (drivers) to communicate with the real video acceleration hardware.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] serfboreds:
That makes sense, so if the direct draw isn't communicating with the hardware as direct draw would in an uncrippled hardware setup we don't really have direct draw. Oh well.

Does n2c have the same config? I like DCDs ROMs better and would rather use his until this is fixed or until the next best comes out.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] dcd1182:
when you brought this up the other night i tried no2chems rom to see for myself. the portrait/landscape change is REAL fast, but other than that it seemed the same. he has a bunch of drivers from accelerated devices included but i cant see how they would actually be in use. the titan ddi.dll seemed to still be the original. my nav software was still choppy as always.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] dr-gonzo:
Since way back when I got my phone I've always selected GDI and then used a -300 ms adjustment for audio sync. I've never had an issue with playing a video. Is there some reason that everyone is wanting to use Direct Draw over this? Just wondering what I'm missing.

Later,

Gonz
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] Zenoran:
I'm not sure if this is related but I noticed in n2c's recent roms just about everything that draws is faster... things like input lag when you're texting.. sometimes it would take a lil bit for the letters to catch up, it is much faster in his rom.... I don't recall seeing this kind of speed increase previously, but thought it was something to do with the new CE release..
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] gc14:
Not sure about you, but I'm not putting any WM build on my phone that's been altered and isn't from stock...don't care how fast it may be.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] dcd1182:
It is not the CE release, its something he's changed in OEM.

I am with GC, as I decided back in dcd 1.x days, I will only take my source from unmodified RUU's. I have updated to CE OS 5.2.19214 as found in latest leaked ATT beta ROM for kaiser.