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[Samsung Galaxy S10+ Themes, Apps, and Mods] Corv0:
Praising?

How's "Although battery life and performance this year aren’t an issue for the Exynos variant" praising it?

Another point, the end of their battery page states

"One issue I can confirm with the Exynos unit is that after a voice call in any app, the phone isn’t correctly entering its lower power state, and will suffer from increased idle battery drain until a reboot. This is something that hopefully Samsung addresses in a firmware update as it doesn’t look to be a hardware related issue. When not affected by this bug, both phones idle very similar to each other and slightly better than the S9+ I use as my daily device."

Seriously? This guide is a day old and they even bothered to include a bug that has been fixed in ASBA, TWO firmwares ago, even with half the comments mentioning it has been fixed and it doesn't belong in their review, it's still there.

This trashy excuse of a tech blog belongs in my fakenews domain blocking host, just so I stop seeing their poorly made articles whenever Google decides to shove them in my face.
[Samsung Galaxy S10+ Themes, Apps, and Mods] crazyguns:
Because 9810 was riddled with very bad battery performance, this year it is a lot better. He's talking about it comparing to the last iteration, it is surprising that the Exynos went from underperforming last year, to beating snapdragon this year;

In our web browsing test, both Galaxy S10+s are showcasing outstanding longevity at 13.08h for the Exynos and 12.75h for the Snapdragon variant. Least to say, I was extremely surprised to see this result even though we measured the Exynos 9820 CPU to be quite less efficient than the Snapdragon 855 in peak performance efficiency. I would have not expected the Exynos to match the Snapdragon, much less slightly beat it.

The bug was not fixed two firmwares ago, I've no idea what you're talking about. I had it until yesterday when the new s10e patch fixed it, every time I had a teams or whatsapp call the deepsleep broke and I had to reboot the device.

What other genuine review articles have you read that go as in depth as anandtech and talk about the scheduler, voltage and efficiency curves, the A75 A55 and Mongoose triple chip design, die shot with detailed cache information, testing and EVEN comparing it to a desktop 9900k, I would love to see your "non fakenews" blogs that go as in depth. Seems like you're sour about them being critical of something in an objective, factual way.

Don't get me wrong I love my Exynos S10e, the screen is gorgeous, I regularly get 7+ hours SOT, but there's still room for improvement in the thermals, it can do with a lot more tweaking. My hope is that by the time Note 10 comes out, they'll have worked out a lot of the software issues and also done a better Bright Night implementation, making this phone as good as it can be.
[Samsung Galaxy S10+ Themes, Apps, and Mods] bradhoschar:
Let's stay on track here, everyone. No flaming will be permitted. Offending posts will be deleted.
[Samsung Galaxy S10+ Themes, Apps, and Mods] jemfalor:
suspected this.
[Samsung Galaxy S10+ Themes, Apps, and Mods] Corv0:
That kind of goes beyond "minor settings on Android", nobody guarantees that Gcam will always be better or even work, I checked some Gcam vs Stock samples and I wasn't impressed, low light was a bit better but everything else was worse and I think they went for the best lib options otherwise it would look even worse.

Samsung got struck for assuming everyone would be fine with AI deciding when to enable the night camera and they confirmed working on changing that, once that is changed(if implemented well) I'm confident that Gcam will have no benefit to bring on the table.
[Samsung Galaxy S10+ Themes, Apps, and Mods] MeltdownSpectre:
You were already warned by a mod previously to keep it civil, and it just went downhill from there.

I suggest all of you take a deep breath and realize this looks like a group of 12 year olds fighting about who's smarter.

Some of the past few posts had nothing to do with Gcam and more to do with belittling each other. If you want to have an argument about stock vs Gcam, that's perfectly acceptable, as long as it's calm. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, and there's no reason for name calling just because of someone's personal preference being different than yours.

Thread has been cleaned, let's keep it that way.
[Samsung Galaxy S10+ Themes, Apps, and Mods] Shuthefrontdoor:
I have snapdragon and used gcam, I've since deleted it because the Samsung camera pictures simply look better, even low light. Just imho
[Samsung Galaxy S10+ Themes, Apps, and Mods] citytrader:
Are you kidding to make a bounty for an app for a crap smartphone sensor? (All smartphone's camera sensors are crap)... for my curiosity, I measured myself the dynamic range of my S10+ Exynos with a calibrated grey card and I found is near 7 1/2 stops [MENTION=289082]ISO[/MENTION] 50 taking in consideration the brightness only (the color DR is much worse), and my Canon M50 has double of that dynamic range and you can find it on Amazon for less than US$700. Who can even imagine to put money in a bounty for this?

I can't understand why people are discussing if the Samsung sensor that comes with the Exynos is better than the Sony that comes with the Snapdragon... both are crap, looking the people that are testing smartphone cameras I see none of them that are able to take a descent shot, why they don't start first to learn how to shot a good picture?

Do you think that I cared about if the sensor was good or not when I shot this pictures with my S7 some years ago, at that time I was worried about how much lost of quality I will get shooting behind a window instead of thinking about the sensor...

Why don't you donate that US$100 to an NGO that will use that money in a useful way instead of wasting your money?
[Samsung Galaxy S10+ Themes, Apps, and Mods] crazyguns:
Lots of words and blah blah in this thread, but I've got images to prove that the Samsung Bright Night in its current form sucks, and either Samsung needs to step it up, or we need to move ahead with the bounty. Found this on the snapdragon gcam thread https://m.imgur.com/gallery/7VsVaTO
[Samsung Galaxy S10+ Themes, Apps, and Mods] VICosPhi:
The night mode on Exynos sucks, but overall sharpness is pretty bad for regular indoor pics. And the colors are washed out as compared to Snapdragon version. Samsung needs to fix all of these issues on Exynos.
[Samsung Galaxy S10+ Themes, Apps, and Mods] citytrader:
It will be very interesting to see the pictures you shot showing the problems you get with Exynos where the colors are washed and the lack of sharpness... upload the pictures without retouch and if its possible in RAW format too.
[Samsung Galaxy S10+ Themes, Apps, and Mods] VICosPhi:
Here you go, did not upload RAW as I think that will be fine. The issue is with processing of the JPG images final result.

https://imgur.com/a/2fNvxTn
[Samsung Galaxy S10+ Themes, Apps, and Mods] citytrader:
That does not help, I need the original JPEG images with the complete EXIF information and they should be exposed correctly, the pictures in IMGUR are underexposed and write what mode you shot the pictures.

Upload them to Wetransfer and if you have the RAW files, the better.
[Samsung Galaxy S10+ Themes, Apps, and Mods] VICosPhi:
Here are the original jpeg images with EXIF data uploaded to Wetransfer. I used picture/auto mode with scene detection on. If you don't see the difference in these I can upload more. The text in S10 pictures is always fuzzy/unclear when compared to S9 snapdragon or Note9 Exynos which means the sharpness correction is an issue in S10 Exynos(maybe on Snapdragon S10 too but I don't have it). Colors are washed out in both S10/Note9 Exynos and much richer/saturated in Snapdragon S9. Blacks look grey in S10+ Exynos (not sure about Snapdragon S10).

https://we.tl/t-ZfWYcAFzyw
[Samsung Galaxy S10+ Themes, Apps, and Mods] citytrader:
Can you shot another picture in pro mode and RAW?, the RAW file is important here, I will prefer both shot in RAW
[Samsung Galaxy S10+ Themes, Apps, and Mods] VICosPhi:
Here is RAW comparison. Washed out blurry S10+ Exynos is noticeable.

https://we.tl/t-kwmW4U9ifA
[Samsung Galaxy S10+ Themes, Apps, and Mods] citytrader:
Thanks a lot for your pictures, I retouched them a bit taking in consideration that the clock is pure white as a reference, so the color could not be the same a you see directly.

The RAW files shows clearly that the better pictures are the one from S10+ because of this:

- Much more detail in S10 and I prefer the little more noise in S10 because it gives more freedom to clean the picture later. In S9 details are lost due to heavier noise reduction in the sensor (not in the post process of JPG).

- In S9 there is color lost due to excessive saturation

- There is more dynamic range in the s10 compared to the s9...

I have to disagree about what you think of S10 camera.

S10 on the left

S10 on the left

S9 TOUCHED

S10+ TOUCHED

I did another test to compare how much the JPG post processing is bad, take a look at this.

RAW - Scene Optimizer: OFF - Scene Optimizer: ON (RAW the left image)

The algorithm applied to the JPG add fake detail smearing out the real detail you see in the RAW, and the RAW has better color. If you shot with DSLR, the result will be similar to the RAW, not to the JPG output.

Take a look at the Huawei P30pro camera, you will see a tremendous microcontrast applied to the jpgs, something that destroys details if you want to do a good post process

NOTE: The lens at f1.5 are less sharp than the lens at f2.4, so ever shot at f2.4 and leave f1.5 as last resort
[Samsung Galaxy S10+ Themes, Apps, and Mods] VICosPhi:
Thanks for analyzing the pictures. I agree that S10 shows more details at the expense of added noise. For me, the added noise makes key components in a picture appear blurry(such as text). Also, the color accuracy of S10 for finer objects, is just not there. The windows on that house picture are bright red and those show as grey/black in S10 picture. You seem to know more about photography than me so I respect your analysis. However, I think for a point and shoot phone camera, we should not have to retouch the image to bring the best out of it(unless using pro mode).

Have you looked at the Anandtech comparison of S10+ Exynos vs S10+ Snapdragon? They also mention the dynamic range and color looks better on Snapdragon version.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/14072/the-samsung-galaxy-s10plus-review/17
[Samsung Galaxy S10+ Themes, Apps, and Mods] citytrader:
Taking ever your example, left is S10 and the output of S10 is a bit better, something impossible to detect looking at the picture in any situation (I applied harder NR and I didn't sharpen the image).

About the color, is something that could be solved with the firmware, I didn't test the color in my unit because is something I can calibrate later in Photoshop.

About the point&shot concept, is something that the people in general has a wrong concept, the pictures from ALL cameras needs retouch at post, all without exception, this is the price you pay to go digital because in the device you don't have good software compared to what you get with Photoshop, sensors are not linear and poorly calibrated at the source, this is not a Canon camera where you get all much better calibration from the factory, the camera from smartphones are limited a lot.

I prefer most of the time to do the test by myself, where do you see in Anandtech that they are giving the source images as it should happen with a serious analysis? I don't trust reviews where I don't have the original pictures.

Where in the analysis they tell you that the S10+ has a dynamic range aprox of 7.5 stops?... this is the result I've got at ISO 50, it means that as soon as you go up in ISO, the dynamic range goes even lower.

Color looks better in no camera if you don't calibrate it at home, even worse in smartphones where the colors are very saturated.

People should ever shot in RAW, jpg should be left as last resort. If you ask how is the jpg output of my Canon cameras, my answer will be "I don't know" because I never shoot in JPG since I bought them.

People likes to read reviews and compares one sensor to another when they should blame the Samsung engineers that are doing a bad work at software level, but if you shot RAW you won't care what algorithms they are using to post process JPGs, the clear example is my comparison where you see the fake post process they are doing to show artificial detail.

Have you tried OPEN CAMERA? just give a try, it takes a while for the color calibration.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.sourceforge.opencamera

VERY IMPORTANT: Disable all kind of noise reduction and banding in the Open Camera app and clean the JPG in Photoshop.

On the left Samsung camera and on the right Open Camera, by long Open camera has more natural jpg result, not fake details, Open Camera is a bit tricky at color rendition but you can do lot of funny things like stacking to remove noise like you will see in my post:

https://xdaforums.com/s10-plus/how-to/iso-comparison-raw-800-vs-pro-mode-800-t3916264

A final note, I use the camera in my S10+ in the cases where I don't carry my camera, if I travel, I use my mirrorless ever, is another world.
[Samsung Galaxy S10+ Themes, Apps, and Mods] VICosPhi:
Thank you! That was a very informative post! Yes Anandtech did not show raw pics. I may be able to get a raw pic if I get the Snapdragon version soon. I hope Samsung fixes the color issue in future firmware upgrade. You are right in regards to using a dedicated camera, it is just that most people including myself are lazy and want to use the convenience of the phone. I do carry My RX100-III when I travel and the pics are amazing even though I use JPEGs on it and not RAW.

Thanks, will try Open camera app, the pic looks much better with it. Do you have any recommendations on a Windows PC based software to view DNG files? I have ACDSEE but it just shows black square for those DNG files. Again, thank you very much for all the insights!
[Samsung Galaxy S10+ Themes, Apps, and Mods] citytrader:
In the smartphone market, vendors are trying to show that their pictures are sharper than the competitors cheating customers, basically what they are doing is creating fake details, is a war of software post processing, you look at the pictures and they seem to be sharper but what you are looking at is a fake picture, the same goes to Huawei P30pro where if you zoom the picture, you will see heavy micro-contrast applied to the picture destroying the possibility to do anything good at post process. (Samsung applies heavy micro-contrast in their jpgs too)

As a rule of dumb, the less sharp the JPG the better but taking in consideration that it should not be less sharp than a RAW image, otherwise there is something wrong, the same goes for noise or at least the companies should give the option to apply different levels of NR in JPG like Open Camera does.

For DNG I'm using Zoner Photo Studio with Color Management enabled.
[Samsung Galaxy S10+ Themes, Apps, and Mods] crazyguns:
Thanks for this post, very interesting. Another one is this app I found on reddit that automatically processes DNG output from Pro mode and improves the dynamic range applying some custom post processing. Some have praised the final output but I'd love to know your opinion as well;

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=amirz.dngprocessor
[Samsung Galaxy S10+ Themes, Apps, and Mods] citytrader:
Once you have the RAW the better option is Lightroom or Photoshop, here are the examples:

From left to right (Photoshop, DNG Processor, Samsung JPG Pro mode)

The Photoshop processed colors were calibrated by me and are mostly identical to the real scene

Sharpened only the Photoshop output and DNG Processor
[Samsung Galaxy S10+ Themes, Apps, and Mods] citytrader:
Output comparison

I made another test today of the camera: RAW processed, Open Camera Jpg processed and Samsung Auto, you can compare the details in each one. That shot was in very bad lighting but it has different kinds of textures to check.

In Samsung auto, lot of microcontrast applied and fake details. I didn't apply any microcontrast to RAW and Open Camera JPGs.

SAMSUNG AUTO

RAW Processed

Open Camera JPG Processed

From left to right: Open Camera, Samsung auto, Raw
[Samsung Galaxy S10+ Themes, Apps, and Mods] stanley08:
Sooo.... How do I get better photos out of my S10+?

Because, when I compare to the Pixel 3 XL. It's just a mess. Lol
[Samsung Galaxy S10+ Themes, Apps, and Mods] citytrader:
The answer to your first question is: SHOT RAW.

What do you mean by "It's a just a mess"!?
[Samsung Galaxy S10+ Themes, Apps, and Mods] citytrader:
I just downloaded a RAW image of Pixel 3 XL and compared with a RAW from S10+, because I didn't shoot the Pixel 3 XL I can not make a real comparison, I can only approximate something from my thoughts, what I saw at low ISO is S10+ has little less noise than Pixel 3 XL, something that is unnoticeable from anybody, I did some pixel peeping and for that I saw the difference. The other difference I saw in the sample that the glass in Pixel 3XL is not sharpen on the edges and much less sharpen than S10+, in some words: the glass is crap.

I still don't understand why people is comparing cameras of the smartphones, all are very very limited...

If you want to compare the real stuff, ever compare RAW images, that gives you the truth about the sensor and the glass. Any site doing testings not posting RAW samples, should not be taken in consideration. In the case you shot only JPG, at this point testing only JPG will be enough, but here you are not testing the quality of the camera, you are testing the software algorithm.

I have the samples for comparison if anyone wants me to upload, different scenes but it gives an idea.
[Samsung Galaxy S10+ Themes, Apps, and Mods] Corv0:
Thanks for confirming the truth behind all this mobile camera industry, the processed images are great too.

How long does it take you to process raws like that?
[Samsung Galaxy S10+ Themes, Apps, and Mods] citytrader:
In my case because I did this all the time, is between 1 to 3 min for basic stuff... If you adjust WB, contrast and sharpening, you should be doing all within that time too, it's pretty fast.
[Samsung Galaxy S10+ Themes, Apps, and Mods] Corv0:
How's that compared to taking a Samsung auto shot and adjusting it for realism? Wouldn't it just be faster?
[Samsung Galaxy S10+ Themes, Apps, and Mods] citytrader:
What do you mean by "adjusting it for realism"?
[Samsung Galaxy S10+ Themes, Apps, and Mods] Corv0:
Ever noticed how unreal the HDR feels?

The colours are nice but it sometimes looks like hdr has just need tuned up in Photoshop and objects (especially trees) have shadows that weren't there.
[Samsung Galaxy S10+ Themes, Apps, and Mods] citytrader:
What do you think of this picture, do think I used HDR or not?... that image has double dynamic range of the sensor of the camera I used to shot that picture.

NOTE: The colors and shadows are exactly the same as if you were in that place looking the scene.
[Samsung Galaxy S10+ Themes, Apps, and Mods] zepretender:
Just a question about RAW photos in Pro mode. I mostly take photos with auto mode... but next week I go on holidays and I want to bring some good photos. Not all but I probably will take some with pro mode (with Raw). If I do Photoshop or Lightroom editing, I no need to set up things on my phone (WB, saturation, focal, etc.), right ?
[Samsung Galaxy S10+ Themes, Apps, and Mods] HolyGrail:
People are subjective. Some are never going to be fully happy with phone cameras and some are going to be just fine with them. If the OP wants a Exynos GCAM port for his phone I don't see the hate on that. Its not like the OP, won't be able to still switch back and forth between the built in camera and the Gcam depending on the users preference. So the user will have a choice.

For me I just want a camera I can point and click that gives my pics a lot of pop. I'm not a fan of super realistic pictures. I see realistic all day, and I enjoy seeing pictures that are different that catches my eye, and if the processing adds a little fakery to the picture that pleases my eye, so be it.

I took these pics with Gcam, (no edits except hiding car plate) and I like the results, that I can't get with my S10+ built in camera. But that doesn't take away from the nice wide pics that I enjoy taking with my built in camera. You don't have to hate on one camera to enjoy the other, just enjoy both.

Do camera phones suck? Maybe, but for me they work in my everyday real world use. I'm not looking to be a pro.
[Samsung Galaxy S10+ Themes, Apps, and Mods] citytrader:
Photo amateurs most of the time shots much better photos than pro's ;) Pro's most of the time can not chose what they really want to shot.

I respect your point of view but personally I don't see where your pictures pops, are all dull with very fake bokeh... the only thing I liked in your pictures was your bike ;)

Pictures pops not because of the tool, is because of the good photographer you are.

If you shot RAW is the best you can do because any mistake you do shooting probably could be solved later. Focus in doing a good exposure, I don't understand why people are not able to shoot with a correct exposure...

You can use WB in auto shooting in pro mode and later you can modify that in RAW without destroying image data like could happen with JPG, everytime you retouching a JPG you could destroy image data, something that doesn't happen with RAW.

In the options when shooting pro, put all in the middle, saturation, tint, etc (this will only modify the jpg and the view on your screen, the more neutral, the better)

I don't understand why Samsung didn't put a real time histogram...
[Samsung Galaxy S10+ Themes, Apps, and Mods] HolyGrail:
Of course, it's a phone camera. And that's why you got to compare phone cameras to phone cameras. Which was my point. For me, fake bokeh with some pop is better than no bokeh with no pop on other camera phones.

I don't mind being wrong. Which camera phone, would you suggest? That takes bokeh shots, fake or otherwise, that a user can just point and click with, that would work better then Gcam's presentation of it?
[Samsung Galaxy S10+ Themes, Apps, and Mods] citytrader:
The point is not having bokeh or not, its what do you want to achieve and this is part of basic photography. Bokeh is created by lens and the combination of aperture and focal length and distance.

The S10 camera works just fine shooting RAW.
[Samsung Galaxy S10+ Themes, Apps, and Mods] HolyGrail:
Well If my point is to achieve Boca or blur or even a tilt effect in the background by just pointing and clicking my camera, that is the point. You can't just walk up with the S10 camera to any object and do that from the amount of distance that the Gcam can.

Sure you can go to Pro mode, shoot the picture in raw. Then edit the picture. Which takes time. My point is quickly taking shots in auto mode and still getting a bokeh effect, or tilt effect of any object in the background. You can't do this with the S10 camera automatically.
[Samsung Galaxy S10+ Themes, Apps, and Mods] Corv0:
I spent 10 minutes writing something to you but then gboard crashed, touched a forum link and lost all, so I'll sum it up

-I'm mad on the rabbit having most of his face blurred

-Bokeh and blur look nice for wallpapers but I don't think they make good "memory material"

-Gcam isn't a big deal for casuals or professionals unless you have a specific goal in mind like yourself

-raw defeats the purpose of a mobile phone camera if you don't know exactly what you want, but still time consuming and the effort would be best spent with a dedicated hardware's product at this point

[MENTION=4447958]citytrader[/MENTION] I'll send you a pm with some samples about HDR