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[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] joedellosso69:
You said a couple of things (you don't need a pen, for note in this case, and don't need super camera, S10 in this other case) that for me means that you don't really need both of them and for the pen, this was the real deal that made a note the most reliable respect to others in business terms in all the years since this solution was adopted to a phone / faphlet making it more nearly to laptops or desktops in its business functions.

In business terms, less bugs is the right solution and to have this situation, that means less firmware updates and not the opposite because when having a lot of updates, that means mostly correction of bugs and not only monthly security pacthes....for example, passing from oreo to Pie only when Pie gets to be solid rock is right for the note because it's intended for business uses but not for the S10 because it's intended for people who wants mostly a new OS for the new functions and don't mostly care of some secondary bugs knowing that there going away in the next releases so they can wait. Seams ridiculess, but believe me that there are a lot of people that wants the beta versions (full of the wrost bugs) because they can't wait for the stable versions coming out.

Saing this, the bugs that can afflict a phone after a major OS update is equel to every model so battery drains, freezes, slowing down situations and other things can or can't happen equally to all and mostley bepends on the modifications (new launchers, apps in conflict with the new OS, ecc) made to the phone before the upgrade that goes in conflict and even depends on cash /data conflicts and corruptions so that's the reason why when having problems, wipe cash or data of the single app or of the entire phone resolves.

For the phone itself, the note 9 is the only one having a revolutionary cooper pipe cooling system that makes cpu and gpu working cooler and faster (less autotrotheling for to much heating... in other words, less cpu gpu frequency drop downs for heating protection ) and makes all being more durable and only for this, the note is the best since now, even more then the S10, and this should be even the answer of the title of this thread.

On the other hand, the S10 is the new model and like for the coming out of all new models, it's going to have new hardware solutions so better cameras, stronger and faster cpu / gpu respect to the older models. Notoriously, the note series having same hardware of the S series so the note 9 is basicly an S9 with a better cooling system (the first time happening) , bigger battery and screen and also having a pen with correlated functions...so, definitely, the choise is yours and depends on what you need or want.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] androidbadboy:
That is a very original point of view. Thanks a lot for Your input.

1. I don't need a pen cause I'm not an artist, drawer, graphics guy. I bought a Stylus for S8 and I enjoy it and use it 1/3 of the time. Maybe I get addicted to S-Pen like many people as I've heard.

2. I like smooth and fast responsive phones with super AMOLED and nice interface ..... etc. so S10+ vs. Note 9 stays on the battle field.

3. Do You think that upgrading S8 the first day Pie+OneUI came trough OTA and started lagging, 1-second freezing, not smoothing would never happen on the first day on Note9 and now after some time I could with no hesitation update Note9 and be sure that I will notice no drop in the 2. point areas?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] N1NJATH3ORY:
So true! Once you see that screen on the S10+ man it's like a sledge hammer imprint on the brain! crazy how bright and really vivid + super sharp Samsung has pushed that oled panel to wow!

Yeah defo the Exynos in the S10+ is way better! Samsung is really pushing towards the AI side of things! I havent really read up on the 10nm vs 8nm will do sometime! Bixby they are pushing as there Ai, Bixby isn't that bad it comes pretty handy once you know the commands!

For Dex you need a USB-C - HDMI cable or you can purchase Clicky--> Samsung Multiport Adapter EE-P5000BBEGWW Also you will need a Bluetooth keyboard, and mouse, once all hooked up you got a full desktop experience!

Same with Linux witch can run in DEX so you got a full desktop O.S from your smartphone!

DEX is pretty polished off you can browse the web play games edit documents office etc. really you got a portable laptop in your pocket!

See pics!!

https://www.samsung.com/uk/mobile-accessories/hdmi-adapter-usb-c-ee-hg950/

https://www.samsung.com/uk/mobile-accessories/dex-station-with-travel-adaptor/
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] androidbadboy:
Thanks buddy!

1. The first link made my day - I need that for a laptop in this shape LOL! :)

2. The two second links at the bottom are strange - the last one says it's for S8/S8+ ("supports")

3. What is that whole in the middle of Dex Station - is it Gigabit Ethernet for RJ45 Lan Cable?

4. So Note9 has linux inside? wow, do you what distribution or if I can launch just being in Note9? Or this Linux is simple the thing I see in the monitor after connecting DeX?

5. Does DeX Station charge wirelessly or trough hard connecion with that USB-C stick stand up in the middle of the DeX?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] N1NJATH3ORY:
Yeah Dex first launched on the S8, S8+ it was a big deal for Samsung! They haven’t updated the page, it is compatible with the Note 9

I’m not sure if you can charger wireless, I do know it has inbuilt fan to keep your phone cool while in Dex mode... And it does charge the phone once docked!

Yes it is a gigabit Ethernet socket

I can’t answer that as I did order the Dex multi dock seller let me down so cant test what version of Linux is running on the note 9 see this link for more info on Linux for Samsung smartphones https://www.linuxondex.com/
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] androidbadboy:
Dude, one very important thing, a "expert" on the net and in real life calimed that:

- the DeX station for Note8 is exclusive in name and in destination

- the DeX for Galaxy S9 is exclusive in destination and name

So now let's focus is there a third type of Dex or a fourth and what it is name and what does it do and for which phone is it?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] joedellosso69:
For 1. Pen is not mostly used for drawing reasons and normally it's used in many working fields and even in multy tasking environments and its the only way you can put an hand made signature in a document for example...

For 2. The response that you can have is mostley the same and if there's a difference, you will not be able to notice it if you don't put them both near to do the same things... So for me, this thing is worthless for deciding only if you consider it when phone is cold... Heat them by using them and, you can look if the note is faster because it's cooling system let's the cpu run on the same frequency as its cold...

For 3. The first version released of every OS is laggy whatever model you consider, Even for the note with Pie, then the other releases corrects buggs. Explained in my post why other things can happen and doesn't depend only for os having bugs by itself. OTA is the worst way for updating... better using a pc with smart switch or Odin.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] androidbadboy:
2. I totally get what you mean but I am sensitive for Samsung's lagging, let's leave it there cause we both go into places we don't wan to be. S10+ vs. Note 9 stays!!!

1. What is multi tasking env. for you in this particular sentence?

3. The other releases corrects.... by releases you mean like Android 9.0.1 or Android 10 or security patches? Why OTA is bad and why smart switch (what's that?) or Odin (recovery mode ? how?) can be better?

BTW yeah I know, don't ask me how in the ..... I ended up on XDA with the last questions.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] joedellosso69:
Well, explaining some things could be to long so, for not going OT and for returning on the threads title and question, if the software is the same and offers same problematics , hardware is different and even if S10 has the most last hardware, the note has the most efficient cooling system ever made for a device and that makes more durability and also makes the device faster because not heating where others will causing, in the others, a decrease of cpu's frequency for overheating ... So, for me, note 9 is better.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] GuestK00136:
[MENTION=8863516]androidbadboy[/MENTION]

In terms of business, the one thing Samsung takes seriously is Knox. This is irregardless of device.

Knox is what makes Samsung money once a device is sold to a business.

Want to build a custom APP using Samsung APIs or manage your Samsung device inventory, you have to pay Knox licensing fees.

One of the primary reasons you see security updates released for older devices is because multinational corporations and government outfits have thousands of Samsung devices in their possession. If we have a issue, we raise it with Samsung. They address it based on OUR severity versus THEIR OWN. If they don't, we go to the Carrier we purchased it from and apply pressure. Either way, internally or externally, the problem is addressed and the average consumer/enthusiast benefits.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] N1NJATH3ORY:
Dex cable for Note 9 https://www.samsung.com/levant/mobile-accessories/dex-cable-ee-i3100/

They only sell USB-C - HDMI ADAPTER and the Dex Cable for the Note 9 see link.. But that’s does not mean the Note 9 is not compatible with Dex pad! will have to ring up Samsung to confirm!
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] Limeybastard:
So your eyes can see the difference between the s10plus screen compared to note 9?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] iceepyon:
In all honesty the hardware in both devices will probably last 5 years easily in terms of specs. However depending on how heavy a user you are, you may need to replace the battery within a few years as the battery will probably start to hold a shorter charge. The S10+ will probably get a further generation android update. As the Note 9 is a 2018 release device.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] joedellosso69:
Not using Quick Recharging setting probably will make the battery last longer but your right, battery will last shorter than the rest... The thing I don't like in this thing is that to replace it, the phones have to be entirely disassembled and so bye, bye water proof specifications because rarely it returns like the factory made it. For the Android updates, maybe shall be the same because note 9 is still the last note series and will be like that till August and recently seams that Samsung had changed his updating policy and so as you can see, old models are un espectely having even pie.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] AnjuRatty:
If you don't want a super good cam, S-Pen , high-end performance for games and not looking to use the device as an entertainment device. But looking for longevity , I don't think you should buy either a note 9 or S10.

Longevity can be achieved on those devices by Custom ROMs but seems you don't want to do that either.

I suggest an Android One device or an iPhone to you. They both have good longevity and doesn't have excessive features of Samsung phones.

For android one devices I suggest looking at the Nokia lineup.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] joedellosso69:
Sorry if not having same point of view , but putting on a custom or similar and that stresses cpu, gpu in a different way doesn't go in the same direction of longivity: they are the opposite and now that original OS's are so smooth rispect of the ones full of bugs like kit Kat in the past , there's no sense doing it and maybe will produce even more laggy situations. Personally iPhone never gave me good impressions because even if software is better in sucking resorses giving more response and fastness for that, hardware is worst givin more durability problems and not only the battery duration problem that takes down the cpu frequency after a year for not replacing it. Even if they become old models, prices don't go down like they were gold but not being it in all sense... gold prices for copper stuffs...
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] N1NJATH3ORY:
S10+ Brightness yeah it's way brighter than the Note 9! Even though i haven’t turned up my Note 9 brightness to max it's been at 20% ish since purchase!

Or maybe it's the wallpaper Samsung are using on the S10+ it really does pop at you!

Let me try the same wallpaper on my Note 9 i'll let you know if I get the same buzz from the Note-9
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] androidbadboy:
1. First of all thank You very much for participating in the thread. THANKS POINTS WENT OUT TO ALL OF YOU! Dear Users - You made some great points!

2. Forgive me if I'm wrong but isn't KNOX "just" the best vault for kind of sandboxing and keeping private another profile/apps of a Samsung Galaxy phone owner?

3. Are You a Samsung Representative? Please respond and stay in the conversation. Having a Samsung Device Team Member in the conversation takes us to the moon with the outcome.

4. What Do You personally think of my initial question?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] androidbadboy:
AND how is it?

BTW: A Questioon TO ALL: Which old devices received Pie that normally shouldn't along with the supposed "old" update policy?

Let's verify: how was it then, how is it now?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] N1NJATH3ORY:
Since I purchased my note 9 about 4+ months ago I’ve left the factory screen protector on it, and I just put a full coverage glass screen protector on! it’s a bob job! As I took it off the my old Note 9 Samsung took that note back due to battery issues

It was the white stone dome one style the loca from the old note there was some still left on the glass screen protector so I have kind of got cloudy patches on the glass screen protector as

I was planning on getting white stone dome style screen protector (just been lazy) so I can’t really tell due to 2 screen protector on plus i've got no s10+ to compare in hand but with that all said

I was in town the other day, there was an S10+ next to Note 9 I wacked up the brightness on both devices! Soon as I launched my camera on my personal Note 9 to take some pro mode! The S10+ battery died so I couldn’t take any pics!

I will try again, I’ll keep both screen on the same image to compare! but when I was checking both some images the Note 9 seem to have the edge! and some the S10+ seemed to have the edge! but the S10+ does have a slight brighter display I heard its 1,215 (nits) compared to Note 9 1,050 (nits) brightness!
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] K-alz:
Manufacturers can't just slow your phone down with patches and call it a day. That could lead to some serious lawsuits just like what happened with apple. Main reason why your phone slows down after a couple of years is your battery and the clutter it accumulates over the years.

Two solutions for those issues:

1. Pay Samsung (or a third party that you trust) to replace your battery with a new one after a couple of years.

2. Factory reset your phone once or twice a year, or even more. With all the backup methods that Samsung provides, I do it way more often than that. Don't back up any of the system settings nor the apps and their data then restore them after the reset as that might bring back some issues and causes some apps to break or act like constant wake locks on your phone. Instead, just back up your files, messages and other important files and photos then redownload your apps from the playstore and redo your system settings. At least that's what I do.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] amorosa:
And if you use ur Internal Store too much (GB´s and lots of GB´s with Music and Vids. and Changing them, putting new and deleeting old...Blaa...) then your SSD(Your Flash-Storage) will slow down too. And this you cannot cure, you need a new motherboard then.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] Limeybastard:
True story.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] androidbadboy:
+1 :) Thx!

I did the same but I haven't had a third hand to take a photo of the S10+ in left and Note 9 in right hand xDDDD

I do think S10+ is brither, on paper (in specs) it says it is.

Try to give us at least a photo of your Note 9 with your screen protector overkill ;)

BTW a Note with battery issues? :( Tell us and warn us please!

We don't want another Note 7 Grand Theft Auto Explosive Edition
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] N1NJATH3ORY:
No dude it wasn’t explosive issues (LOL) it was a real bad battery drain, i would leave 4G on Sync on everything else off! would leave it in pocket for about 8/9 hours i would not touch the Note 9, i was losing around 40% ish battery just on standby man it was driving me crazy I tried everything hard reset crappy safe mode that did help but what’s the point it didn’t tell me what’s draining the dam phone!

I’m so lucky I rang up Samsung on the 30th day of purchase (I didn’t even know it’s been 30 days) first they would offer me a battery replacement I told them to do one lol they didn’t like me saying that!

I went through 3 rep’s, as I had to disconnect the calls due to being stuck at work the 3rd rep gave in! (LOL) I’ve had repairs from Samsung before some are awesome others suck and I was scared they will ruin my mint Note9! As I’ve read horror stories the other month can’t remember it was on xda or somewhere! The paint removed from the bottom corner where they pried is Note 9 open! That’s under the glass JOKE!

So in the end they sent me a brand spanking Note 9 sealed box (Happy Days) and took this joke of a Note 9 back!

This ones been perfect, as I’m only losing about 1% to 2%, 3% max per 8/9 hour stand by!

Yeah man my Note 9 is a bit overkilled via screen protections! just like looking after my smart devices that’s all!

I will try this week to get comparison pics Note 9 vs S10+! That’s if security don’t come running I think they don’t like the secure clamps that hold the phones pics being taken!

Even though it’s common knowledge on the net, but they are in the 60s these security guard’s so they don’t know much of tech! Well I’m guessing, as last time i took a pics, he came running told me to delete the pics s9+ pics!

But I do have a few friends working in phone stores, will pop in there to get pics this week!
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] androidbadboy:
+1 Thx! :)

1. Serious lawsuits - if I remember correcty about 1-3 months ago the European Nation got Apple X milions of EUR to pay and Samsung Y milions of EUR, where X>>Y cause Apple was busted good - perhaps for that famus one.. Samsung on the other hand - "slowing down already sold phones"

Of course these lawsuits were nothing to these finacial giants.

They can get away with a lot of stuff cause their programmers and the long term maketing machine department (the relay of marketing that even us could not predict) are so GOOD at their jobs and get a lot of $$$ that you can't detect it in code and say that this does it solely to slow down. Besides, they can always say it's because of zero optimization discpline rule of Android app devs - which in this case works well for Samsung. I'm sorry that I'm unable right now to list all the things that lead to that (my) slowdown concslusion.

YOU did amazing job!

Can you get your tips in a little more step by step order (just a tiny guide) so the XDA Users could benefit from your great idea!
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] androidbadboy:
Is it because UFS is more like TLC in SSD rather than MLC?

How badly does it get and how an SDcard helps? Is it worth to have an imiedieate SDcard? How many % of internal starge should be left untouched?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] androidbadboy:
Oh no, you're confirming it.

You both get +1 Thnx!

That is disturbing.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] androidbadboy:
I'm shocked about that guards.

In what country did this happen?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] amorosa:
I just cant answer your questions. I think an SDcard can help, because u dont use your Internal Storage than.

I dont know what UFS is, compared to MLC OR TLC-SSD´s. There we need to dig a little bit more.

I think (if you use the 128GB Version, you have effective 100GB to use.) let 30GB free on your internal storage. This is a big buffer.

Maybe 20GB free is okay too. I did not tested it.

But SDcard would help a lot. Because you dont stress ur InternalStorage.

Under normal circumstances a normal SSD for computer with 120GB can handle a few TB´s Writing data on it, before it will slow down or having any problems.

Under normal circumstances you dont have to worry about your internal storage too much. It will least over 4-5 Years normal usage. I guess

But with heavy usage and writing Terrabytes and Terrabytes for years, it looses it´s Performance on some point. There a SDcard can help alot !

"Normal Usage" : Dont worry ;)
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] N1NJATH3ORY:
UK!
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] androidbadboy:
This is uniqe.

The interrnal storage should be used because even the fastest mricoSD card imaginable can't beat a certain factor - that's why Iphone's doesnt have their type of cards - it's the access time, the delay before starting the stream of read or writing data to microSD. That delay kills smartphone's responsivenes speed especially if all of the android is out there or apps.

Based on compuers SSDs you can have two situations: the internal storage never slows down (has MLC memory cells - better, faster, more expensive) even when 99% used BUT it will DIE like zero and one after TBW is reached.

OR the SSD in computer slows down with time and with incrasing used space (TLC memoery cells). and it will give you rather a heads up before it die's rather then doing it suddenly like MLC.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] androidbadboy:
Has anyone got the same theory about the internal storage degrading?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] amorosa:
I dont have it anymore :D

Youre right i think. I mixed thinks together.

Okay, i have my microSD only to see pics.

Maybe they are so slow, that u cant watch a highres stream without getting async sound. I dont know.

I dont talk about putting apps to sd. Thats in my eyes bullsh...

But Pics and Music and 1080P (Okay, must be a fast microSD, but i recommend anyway a fast microSD) isnt a problem.

But i realy dont know what the UFS compared to mlc and tlc realy is. One of them at least :D

I searched the internet, but i couldnt find any data compared to mlc/TLC

But as a fact : Samsung Phones that used UFS before, slowed down too.

So that sounds fammiliar to TLC. So keep it as clean as possible