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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] skug67:
Impossible -- SOLVED(?)

OK. So just hunting around for any possible fix I started messing around with the ringing options in Kaiser Tweak, and for no particular reason changed from "Vibrate and ring" to "Vibrate and increasing ring" and suddenly I the ring in my ear and not from the phone. Oddly, when I changed it back I still got the typical behavior instead of the "impossible" behavior.

I have absolutely no idea what is/was going on. But since I now have the behavior that I want, I'm happy. I leave it to others to figure out how to get back to the behavior that I dislike but so many of you seem to crave.....

CORRECTION

Actually, what it seems to be all about is stereo vs. regular headsets. If I change the ring setting while paired to a regular bluetooth headset (I've got a Scala 500) I get the "typical" behavior. This can survive even if I later switch to a stereo bluetooth headset (e.g., Moto HT820, Plantronics 855). But if I then make any changes to the set-up (at least volume or ring pattern) while paired to the stereo headset I get the "impossible" behavior (ring on phone, announcement on BT). That in turn can also survive a switch back to a regular headset.

Not sure what is making any/all of this happen. But that's what I've been able to figure out so far......
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] wsabido168:
I have a similar problem with the Jabra BT8040 and my Kaiser. I think the problem has to do with the fact that the Jabra BT8040 is a dual line (multipoint) headset meaning it can connect to two phones at the same time so when you press the answer button that usually triggers the voice command, how does it know which phone to send the instruction to? :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] awinters:
you mentioned a site earlier in this thread, i used to go to the pirates den, but thats no longer, what buccaneer site are you referring. u can messege me if u like
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] awinters:
do i have to configure vc to read incoming sms or should it do that automatically when installed. so far it announces calls, but not sms..thanks
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] bengalih:
I have no idea what you are referring to :cool:

Yes, you have to highlight whichever category you want to configure and then click "Options" and configure it to announce or not.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] Slade8525:
OK i have a quite odd problem with VC; every time i hit the PTT button, which is remapped to VC supposedly, i get an error box stating

'Error opening the shortcut

or locating the target

filename.'

any help greatly appreciated.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] bengalih:
- Are you running MSVC 1.6.19209? If not upgrade.

- Remap the MSVC key

- Test if MSVC launches properly from the headset

- Locate your MSVC directory and manually run voicecmd.exe, is it successful?

Instructions to do all of the above are in the first few posts of this thread.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] Slade8525:
i tried everything in this thread and nothing worked; it wouldnt let me replace any of the files; so i found a workaround. i renamed them to .jpg, deleted them, renamed the incoming replacement files as .jpg's, imported them, and renamed them appropriately, but thanks for the suggestion :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] bengalih:
Are you using a "cooked" in version of MSVC?

If so, what ROM? Follow the posting guidelines on the first post to provide all information.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] diomark:
On the jawbone 2 - activate voice command by holding down the top button for 2 seconds. (not the normal 'talk' button)

-mark
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] ridr:
Re: Private/Unknown 'bug'

Anyone know if ms plan on coming out with a fix for the Private/Unknown 'bug' some time soon? I'll just have to stick with Cyberon until they do. Was missing too many calls with msvc...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] rkrasny:
This has been plaguing me for weeks - I've tried Cyberon, read Bengalih's thread extensively (thanks so much Bengalih), checked aliph's website (where they simply state that initiating MSVC 1.6 with the Jawbone2 may not work because of a MS problem.

I can't believe the answer is this simple - I did try a few button combinations but never this!!!

Thanks soooooooooooooooooooooo much for saving me another dozen hours of investigating!

RK
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] commissionerg:
I think this problem is ROM related. I keep setting the ptt button for voice command but it only works sometimes. when I go in to the MSVC settings I keep having to check the enabled box because it wont stay checked. It does not announce any calls and when press the button on my bluetooth it does not do anything. Does anyone else have this problem and know how to fix it. I know its not my bluetooth nor my ptt button because I had L26's diamond v6 and the MSVC worked flawless, but unfortunately his ROMS are to buggy for me.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] icek:
Thanks Bengalih !

Great writeup, sorted my MSVC problems on my kaiser :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] zPacKRat:
I am on day 2 with my Tilt and loving it so far, however the voice command being left out is a sham. Any how on to my issue,

My TILT

1.62.502 ROM from January 08 that supposedly had a BT fix.

VC 1.6.19209

Plantronics 340 headset

BT seems to funcion ok with some white noise prior to installing VC, however after installing VC I get tons of static and popping which can only be cured by removing VC.

I want to keep this phone, however with California mandating cell usage while driving only if using hands free means this could be a deal breaker.

I did change the channel from 1 to 3 and while it may have been a placebo it did seem a little bit better.

I spent a few hours reading through BT related Kaiser threads last night and found no definitive answer.

I will track down a copy of the 1.6.17913 installer and see if there is any improvement before I shell out 30-40 dollars on software that does not play nice with my TILT and report back. In the mean time any suggestions on a fix are welcome.

z
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] bengalih:
I don't know why you are looking to install 1.6.17913 when you already are running 1.6.19209. That would be going to an older version that probably won't even work (especially with a 6.1 ROM).

I have never heard of any complaints with BT quality because of VC. VC doesn't replace your core BT stack, so quality should be the same before or after.

You've got hundreds of people using MSVC on their Tilt posting on this board. For all of MSVC's issues, nNot a single post (other than yours) references sound quality performing worse with MSVC installed.

If anything I would look to another BT headset.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] ridr:
msvc_toggle

Hi bengalih

ROM 3.28.405.0 WWE (official HTC TyTNII wm6.1)

MSVC 1.6.19209

I have installed the 2 toggles. The free/busy toggle vibrates once/twice when I use it. The announcement bt/speaker toggle does nothing.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] bengalih:
There was an issue with the script where it only worked if your "only during free time" box was checked. I have updated the post with a new version (1.1) that fixes this issue.

Give it a try.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] ridr:
scripts

Thanks, msvc_toggle works perfectly now. How do I write scripts to toggle msvc 'enabled' on/off and 'messaging' on/off. I also want to write a script to toggle SPB Phone Suite 'phone notifications' on/off.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] YYYYY:
Anyone find a solution for the announcements for a hotmail account? Or who use a hotmail account for email and gets an announcement by VC?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] Hellsblade:
trigger another media player

Hi Bengali,

Do you know if there is a way to trigger a third party media player when using voice command? I use S2P wich already uses the the WMplayer decoder.

rgrds,

Hellsblade
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] mrbkkt1:
lol, mine works fine, but the microsoft website says that it can read emails.. mine doesn't

A cross between dutty's and this one would be good, and the nokia one is the best so far.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] bengalih:
This was covered in another post. Short answer...nope.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] dalavar:
Sony HBH-DS980

Anyone having any luck with this and a HBH-DS980? I can get all things to function as per first post except I keep losing connection to the bluetooth. I will hit my call button and VC will (ting) I tell it to "dial xxx-xxxx" and it dials but just before the call starts rining my bluetooth unpairs and I have to repair it to continue the call. It's driving me nuts.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] Hellsblade:
thx Bengalih. I didn't bother to search the thread, sorry for that. Maybe its because your posts are more like lectures and very thorough and extensive.

I have HBH-DS980 also, its working correctly most of the time, but i have different experiences with different ROMs. It is my impression that although more than 1 bluetooth device is supported, keeping only one connection active gives me the best results.

rgds,

Hellsblade

NB: Maybe A2DP toggle from teksoft can help you out (use google). But don't use the today util it drains the battery. Use the command line tool instead.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] solal:
Do you think it could be possible to get the ring sound in the speakerphone and the voice which say the name in the bluetooth headset when you activate the incoming call anouncement ?

I think it could be useful when you have got the phone in your pocket and the headset close to you to hear who is calling you.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] bengalih:
You should probably go back and read the guide. Especially posts 6,7, & 8.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] solal:
I have read them but i don't see a part where only the ring sound come from the speakerphone and in the same time only the voice anouncement come from the headset. Maybe you can help me to find this if it exist, i will be very happy with this option on my new htc diamond.

Thx in advance
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] JamesMB:
Your answer is in post 7 and the workaround is in post 8.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] number16:
Hi bengalih,

First of all, a GREAT writeup. You've been a LOT more helpful than Microsoft on the MVC!

I've installed MVC 1.6.19209 on both my phone (HTC Touch) and my wife's phone (Treo 750) but I have a bit of a strange problem with MVC on my wife's treo.

Right after I install MVC on her Treo, it works perfectly fine. I can hear the all the announcements through the BT headset. No problem at all.

However, after a soft reset, the announcement through the BT headset no longer works. When I press the BT headset button, the 'notification beep' comes from the phone's speaker, and not the BT headset anymore. It is also getting the voice command from the phone's mic, not the BT headset. All incoming call announcements are played from the phone.

Worse, messaging and calender notifications don't work anymore. They are not played at all, either through BT headset or phone speaker.

I checked my MVC setting and everything is setup fine (Notification is selected to play through BT headset whenever possible, and all the notifications are turned on)

I tried resetting my phone again, and deleted and re-paired the BT headset, and didn't seem to help.

I then did a hard reset, and installed MVC again, and everything works fine again! Until the next soft reset, then I got all the same problems back.

It seems like there's something in the MVC install that actually changed the registry setting to screw it up, and it only initiates after the first soft reset. I can't figure out what it is though ... I checked the registry settings for what's on your first post and they're the way they should be.

Can you shed any light on it?

Greatly appreciates your help!

BTW 19209 works perfectly fine on my HTC Touch, and my wife's Treo 750 (HTC Cheetah) is running Windows 6.1.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] bengalih:
I really can't offer too much insight to devices other than the Tilt, since I don't have one to work with. However, since it is working after initial install and not after reboot, it sounds like it should be able to work.

I would check the: HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Bluetooth\AudioGateway

entry mentioned in the guide BEFORE you install MSVC (you might need to do a clean restore to figure out what it was before you installed MSVC. After MSVC is installed, try setting this value back to what it was prior to MSVC and then soft-reset.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] golfer12:
MSVC won't dail via BT

Hello,

The information you have provided is great! I have everything working with MSVC via BT except for dailing. I give the command to dail or call a number or contact and it will ask for confirmation. I say correct and it cuts off. Going through the same process via the phone directly and it dails the number or contact asked for. Can you tell me what the issue might be? I am using a Verizon SMT5800 smartphone with a Plantronics Voyager 520 BT.

Thanks
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] bengalih:
On some devices you have to turn off confirmations in options... it is not the ideal solution, but sometimes the only one that works.

So, it will still dial, but will not ask for confirmation, so if it gets the number wrong you will have to terminate the call with your headset button.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] number16:
Thanks for the quick reply! And I appreciate the help even though my problem is not for TyTn II

I will try what you suggest, but before I do another hard reset and copy the parameters in a fresh install (which is rather painful) I was browsing some earlier posts and figured maybe I'll bring this to your attention to see if it might help solve my problem ...

Under HKLM\Software\OEM\VoiceCommand there are the following dword entries:

LaunchAPEnable=1

VoiceCmdEnable=0

I played with them a bit, and tried changing VoiceCmdEnable to 1, and BT dial doesn't work at all.

On my HTC Touch, where the MVC works fine, this HKLM\Software\OEM\VoiceCommand subfolder does not exist at all.

And the WM6.1 ROM for the Treo750 does NOT come standard with MVC in ROM neither ...

Does that help?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] ridr:
confirmations

HTC TyTNII with official WM6.1 ROM, MSVC 1.6.19209: I was messing around with mort script and afterwards my confirmations stopped working too. I tried to uninstall and re-install MSVC, but this didn't help. Luckily I had a registry backup from the day before which I re-installed and now confirmations are working again. So there must be a registry key to play around with somewhere?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] bengalih:
There is an actual "confirmations" option setting in MSVC which can be turned on or off. This toggles a bit in the registry. You shouldn't have to go to the registry to change it, just go to the phone options.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] bengalih:
I'm pretty sure VoiceCmdEnable is just whether MSVC is on or off (as per the check box in the MSVC settings). Sometimes just changing the registry value isn't enough, you either need to soft-reset, or at the least, open up MSVC and then close it again (to force it to re-read the registry keys).

I believe LaunchApEnable control what the button on your headset does.

When it is set to 0, the button on the headset will turn on the Voice Command/Dialer. When it is set to 1, it will open up the gateway to send ALL audio to your headset...for instance if you want to listen to music, etc. There are some other mortscripts/applications out there which provide some sort of automated toggle.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] ridr:
confirmations

I know about the confirmation setting. What was happening was what was also mentioned in earlier posts: with confirmations on, MSVC would open a contact when I said 'call X', but would stop there without the microphone prompt for yes/no confirmation and doesn't dial. If I switched off confirmations it works as it is meant to and dials with no confirmation, which isn't ideal if it's dialing the wrong contact.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] bengalih:
Ok, well so I'm not sure what you were adding there(?), as I mentioned that exact issue in a previous post. If you are using a Kaiser, then there is no reason that MSVC shouldn't work without confirmations on 6.0 and 6.1 ROMS. I have gotten 1.6.19209 to work on every single 6.0+ ROM I have tried with confirmations with no special efforts above what I have covered in the first few posts.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] number16:
When I said I changed the value I meant a soft reset afterwards too ... I always soft-reset after I change a register setting.

I guess my question is what are these 2 settings supposed to be? On my other phone (HTC Touch) I don't have this \OEM\VoiceCommand folder at all.

I notice when I press the BT headset button, I can hear it opens the audio channel on the headset. It's just instead of the 'ding' and the confirmation coming through the BT headset it comes through the mic.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] ridr:
confirmations

Just thought it was interesting that something I changed in the registry must have caused this problem that some other people have mentioned. It was working fine originally, and now works fine again after I installed my old registry from backup.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] hvbelton:
Smartphone vs. PPC Versions

I came to Tilt from Cingular 3125. On the 3125 I ran v. 1.6.18170 and had the option to have email subject lines announced and text messages read when they arrive. I am running v 1.6.19209 on my Tilt and get only get urgent email announcements. There is the option to Announce Calendar Events but I have not been able to find an option for this in the menu, is there one available in the registry and if so where?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] xcom923:
there is an option in the email section to only announce urgent emails. it is enabled by default. you'll have to change it yourself
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] hvbelton:
many thanks
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] EddieG:
AT&T Tilt

ROM:CE OS 5.2.1622 (Build 18128.0.4.4)

MSVC Version: MSVC_US_PPC_1.6.19209.bengalih

Bluetooth Headset: Jawbone/T505

I am having the same issue and need to reinstall about 2 to 3 times per week. Here is an example of what happens: I say Call "John Smith" there is no confirmation announced but if I can see the screen it has the correct number highlighted and if I am quick enough if I say yes it will dial. However none of the other commands will work such as help or time. really annoying to have to constantly reinstall.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] EddieG:
I had problems with Tom Tom Nav 6 as well on my tilt, (Not related to MSVC) I found that it was not compatible with the tilt and am now using Garmin XT, which works much better IMO(Doesn't lock up, grabs the satellites within seconds).
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] redjessie:
can't launch VC from BT

Hi & Thanks for a wonderfully informative thread.

ATT Tilt

ROM	1.62.502.0

ROM Date	01/17/08

Radio Version	1.27.14.09

Protocol Ver	22.45.88.07H

Headset Cardo S2

I've upgraded to 1.6.17913 by using the replacement file package, and have checked the registry setting for the extension module, and it is referencing vcbthag.dll and that file exists in the location specified in the registry. (program files\voicecommand).

MSVC is launched fine by the PTT button, but if I use the button on my BT headset, the original voice dialler is launched instead of MSVC.

is there anything else I can do besides try and track down 1.6.19209
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] bengalih:
There are some threads in these forums about removing Cyberon voice command from the phone...you might want to look for those.

However, I would always recommend running 1.6.19209 or above. The earlier versions were not meant for WM 6.0+.

I have installed 1.6.19209 on ROMS with Cyberon built in, and after re-mapping the button, and a hard reset everything worked fine.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] boomerangfarm:
Phone: Verizon Touch (HTC Vogue)

ROM: 1.15.605.14 (stock Mobile 6)

MSVC: 19209

Headset: Blueant Z9

Thanks for the fantastic thread. VC works perfectly on my Touch EXCEPT Bluetooth confirmations. I sure hope someone gets if figured out. Actually my phone tells me who it is dialing without confirmation activated. The phone does this very quickly just as it starts to dial. If the recognition was wrong I can end the call before it connects. Cumbersome for sure, but it is a work-around.

The z9 is the best BT set I have found to work in wind and with construction noise. I have tried 5 big name sets which claimed noise reduction. To operate VC it is best to adopt a habit of leaving your hand in place along your cheek after pressing the button. I turn my head slightly toward the hand and speak. This way the sound seems to be reflected off of my palm. My recognition in even very noisy environments is excellent. Once you develop this habit it is seamless.

Dan
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] bengalih:
I had lunch with an old co-worker today who has a Touch and I was going to send him 1.6.19209 because he was using an older version and still having the confirmation issue.

Perhaps if I get some time with his phone I will be able to get it working on the Touch. He's out of town alot, so I don't know if it will be anytime soon.

Also, to give an opposing viewpoint I sold my Z9 after a month because I found it was unusuable even in light wind. I did many tests, including having it in my left ear with the window down in my car.... MSVC was 100% unresponsive. I did try the trick with the hand as you suggested as well. To be fair... voice conversations were ok...but MSVC didn't pick up my commands.

I hear that the Z9i and the JB2 aren't much better then their predecessors on this front. I'm still waiting for the next generation. I won't buy a headset for over $50 unless it can really cut out the wind.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] hardik119:
A suggestion

First of all thank you for the great post. It covers almost everything related to MS voice command.

I came here basically for a solution to announcement while already in a call. It is just too annoying. I see that you have made a script to change it to free/busy with a click of button. But I was just wondering if it is possible to run that script automatically when a call comes.

If it is possible, it would work like this

1. When a call comes it will automatically run the script and set your status to busy so Voice command will not announce if second call will come.

2. When you hang up the phone it will run another script and set your status to free so when next call comes voice command can announce the caller ID.

Just a thought.

Regards
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] MarkAtHome:
Hi Dan -- I, too, love my Z9, but I have had continuous problems with environmental noise (not during conversation).

Blueant is stubbornly not seeing the merit in engaging their noise isolation when the headset is turned on.

IMO, there is no difference between improving the sound that the person on the other end of a voice conversation hears and the sound that the phone itself hears when I talk or give the phone a voice command to make a call. If there is noise (could be the car's air conditioner), the phone doesn't always recognize what I'm saying, but would understand it if the noise isolation routine worked upon headset startup. Should be a simple move of firmware code, no?