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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] Packrat:
ROM: HERMES ROM CE OS 5.2.19900 (Build 19900.1.1.0 PV DVH) (B&C)

MSVC Version: MSVC_US_PPC_1.6.19209.bengalih

Bluetooth Headset: None

Description: I cannot install this on my HTC TyTN. It gives me this error.

Unable to install Voice Command due to insufficient space or insufficient permissions. Free additional device storage space and try again.

I have plenty of space so what could be the problem.

Thanks for any help.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] bengalih:
Well let me start by saying this is a TyTn II forum, so I don't have the resources to troubleshoot other devices very well.

Than being said, try to download the manual install I offer at the bottom of post 10 and manuall copy the files and registry.

Other option is to open up the cab in a program like WinCE CAB Manager and uncheck the flags on VoiceCommandWMP.dll for shared and self-registering and then save the cab.

When these flags are set on some other files, it seems to cause similar problems on the TyTn II. I kept the flag set on that file since that is how it looks in the official release.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] conwayluge:
Hi,

AT&T Tilt

ROM: 1.57.502.2

MSVC Version: 1.6.19209

Bluetooth: Moto H700

Description:

I have read through this thread, a lot of great information, bengalih, thanks for your efforts. I did not see my problem addressed. If I missed it, I apologize. I just downloaded VC from Handango, v1.6.4622, and most functionality worked fine, however, the call function would not execute. VC would respond that it was making the call, then execution just stopped. So, I downloaded bengalih's cab and the same problem exists. Same problem with or without Bluetooth. I appreciate any suggestions.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] Packrat:
Thanks for the info. But tried both and neither worked. I appreciate it, but looks like something about this cooked rom is the problem.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] bengalih:
Well if you tried the manual install you obviously didn't get the installation error, as you are manually installing. So, after manually installing (copying all files, importing all reg keys, updating all regkeys to proper location, etc..) what is now the issue?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] bengalih:
Are you using the stock AT&T Rom? I haven't heard anything close to this before. Make sure you uninstall, reboot, install 1.6.19209, reboot and try again.

Also...what do you mean that MSVC responds but then stops? MSVC doesn't tell you it is going to call. It either just dials or asks for confirmation and then dials. Are you saying it is asking for confirmation and that's it?

If that is the case, then you might need to turn off confirmations in MSVC phone options...however there is no reason confirmation shouldn't work on a tilt...Touch users have this issue, but not tilt...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] conwayluge:
Thanks

bengalih,

Thanks. Removing and re-installing resolved the issue. Sorry, I wasn't clear in my terminology when I used "confirm". What was actually happening is that I would give a command, Call [name], then VC would reiterate Call [name], then nothing happened. This morning re-installation resolved. Thanks again.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] bengalih:
Cool, glad it's fixed.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] dlindman:
New HTC ROM compatibility...

Have you tried this with the most recent HTC 6.1 Rom?? I have just upgraded and with the 1.6.19209 MSVC will not speak properly over bluetooth even though the registry is apparently pointing to the correct .dll file (as outlined in your further posts).

I wish HTC would have just used voice command instead of that stupid cyberon stuff.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] arabbitte:
Thanks for this very informative source of information and fixes.

I have a stock ROM and deleted my old version of voice command and updated to 1.6.19209 from the first page of this thread. Presumably therefore I am not using the UK version with some issues with dialing ...

I can't use the dial command properly. All other commands work well, but I can't get the dial command to cooperate; sometimes I get garbage numbers, but it never works. Apologies if this is a really thick question, but here goes:

How do you say 123-12345? Is it:

one two three dash one two three four five

Or

one two three minus one two three four five

If I say dial # (hash) followed by a number, this helps, but - doh! - the number is seen by the network as "bad" because the hash is not allowed.

I have searched this thread and elsewhere and am lost. Any help appreciated!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] bengalih:
If you are using a US version, which you are since you are using 1.6.19209, then you can only dial numbers that follow the US phone numbering system. Therefore, 123-12345 wouldn't be valid since it does not follow either the standard 7 or 10 digit (3+7) dialing scheme.

I admit this is a drawback since you may want to place an international call that follows a different syntax.

If you want to dial other than standard 7 or 10 digit dialing the best method is to create a contact for the number. Then use "Call contact" instead of dial.

In addition, when dialing normal 7 or 10 digits you don't speak the dash. If you want to dial 555-1212 then you would say "Dial five five five one two one two"
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] mreaglejr:
ROM: 1.56.405.5 (original htc rom)

MSVC Version: 1.6.19209

Bluetooth: -

Description: sometimes when i press the voice command button, i can't hear the beep or the woman talking? i see the msvc icon in the upper panel appearing but sometimes it just forgets to "talk to me"..
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] arabbitte:
Many thanks for this response.

Sounds like the dial functionality is a little bit like a chocolate fireguard then ...

Oh well, the rest is great!

Thanks again.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] bengalih:
Is this issue when using a BT headset or not? Or both?

Not to point out the obvious, but have you checked the volume bars? Make sure the volume (not ringer) is not muted.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] elftx:
Great Fix!

2.09.605.8 Verizon PPC6800

1.6.19209

Motorola HS850

Not a damn one!

Well almost. When the MSVC asks you to confirm your request, when by name or number, and you respond it does nothing but end.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] bengalih:
Well I wouldn't say that it is useless, I use it all the time to "dial" since I keep forgetting to add certain well known numbers to my contact list!

I don't know of any valid numbers in the US (or abroad) that actually use the # sign except for services from the mobile provider (like bill status, etc). Again, you can easily create contacts for those or for international callers.

In addition, you wouldn't be able to use # or any other commands for that matter at a voice prompted tele-system (on the receiving end) since MSVC won't recognize any more speech once the call is established.

Perhaps if there is a specific reason you are looking to do these we can come up with some other possible workarounds?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] bengalih:
I am running the new HTC ROM right now, but I actually installed my copy of 1.6.19213 which I haven't distributed yet (due to there being no discernable differences from the previous version). When I have the time in the next couple of days I will uninstall that and install 19209 and confirm that it works on the new official HTC 6.1 ROM. If it doesn't I will release my 1.6.19213 CAB as I am using it successfully now.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] redbandana:
Still loving your TA Install
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] dlindman:
Ohhh.....there's hope.

That would be great! I hope you can backup what I've been seening...right now I'm using the 1.60.4622.0, but it keeps acting up and requireing me to stop and restart bluetooth or it doesn't recognize what I'm saying.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] bengalih:
I have just tested 1.6.19209 with the official HTC 6.1 ROM successfully. It installed no problem...after reboot it didn't seem to respond with the BT button, so I changed the button mapping on Button 6 from Voice Speed Dial to MSVC. I rebooted and it worked. I changed button 6 back to something else, rebooted and it continued to work...so I think I was just impatient the first time as you shouldn't need button 6 mapped if you are just using the BT headset.

So I would recommend a full uninstall, reboot, reinstall, reboot and see where you are at. There shouldn't be a reason why it works on mine and not yours.

This was with a Motorola H500 BT, as my headset wasn't available.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] dlindman:
I'm having problems uninstalling the 1.6.4622 version...i won't uninstall or remove the entry from the remove programs list....any help there?

EDIT: On the plus side, apparently after 4 other attemps to install, 1.6.19209 is apparently now working. I will test for a few days and see what happens....THANKS.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] bengalih:
Well if 1.6.19209 installed on top of it and is working I would say you should be good to go. It will have overwritten all the files.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] dlindman:
Not quite....

Nope, Voice Command was in a directory of the same name....yours installed in MS Voice Command. I deleted the Voice Command directory, and regained some memory, as far as registry issues I think it did overwrite with your entries....I'll try a few days and see what happens.

Thanks...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] dispatch:
I would like to thank bengalih for all the hard work and persistent responses to those who have had problems.

THANKS!!!!!!1

I will be donating a couple bucks as your request in your signature.

Of course I have a question; wondering if it is possible to change the sounds for VC? That is to say change the sound that beeps when you press the button to activate VC (and the other sounds it makes although less important to me).

I thought I found the sound it uses (voicbeep.wav) in \Windows but for the life of me I cannot overwrite it (tried Total Commander, Voyager, AEConfig, EnableRAPI, etc.) but cannot do it (as it is ostensibly in ROM).

Any ideas anyone?

AT&T Tilt (running ROM RUU_Kaiser_HTC_WWE_3.28.405.0_radio_sign_25.83.40.02_1.65.16.25_Ship.exe)

1.6.19209
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] bengalih:
The following registry keys exist dealing with sounds for MSVC:

Now the issue is these files don't exist! So the sounds must be built into the exe or a resource file. If you remove or change these values the sounds go away, so they are definitely linked to these keys. I have played around with changing these values to redirect to other sounds but not successfully.

Try it and see if you get anywhere. You will have to disable and then enable MSVC after any change.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] dispatch:
I did see those keys yesterday and also noticed upon a search that those files do not exist. The fact that the sounds were not prefaced with a path (e.g. \windows\) as other keys are led me to believe the same thing as you: that they were not flat files on the device but compiled in the exe or dat file(s).

I will do some testing today and report back.

Thanks again.

EDIT: I tried redirecting the keys to a newly placed a wav file in the install path, \windows, and \, but nothing seems to work. Ah well, at least it is working for me -- I can live with the default sounds. :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] dlindman:
Sound issues....

I've gotten most things working nicely with your reccomended version of MSVC. However, now I'm seeing issues with Tom Tom Navigator. The voice directions are starting late and getting cut off. For instance, "Beware" becomes "ware"....or "turn Right now" becomes "rn right no". Any ideas in what I can adjust to correct this??
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] bengalih:
I wouldn't think this was related to MSVC. Try this test:

1) Soft reset your device - Test TomTom and see if the problem is still there. If so...

2) Disable MSVC in settings, soft reboot and test TomTom again. Is the problem still there? Finally..

3) Enable MSVC and soft reboot again. Test TomTom. What are the results?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] dispatch:
FWIW I am running both MSVC and TomTom successfully without the problems you are encountering so it is possible.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] dlindman:
Still confusing....

Soft resetted and did not start voice command, directions worked in Tom Tom without fault over BT. Soft resetted again, this time with Voice Command loaded and it's causing the problem again over BT.....I'm not sure what audio gateway tom tom is using...I'll check with them too.....
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] Flapjack:
I just wanted to say this is one of most thorough, well-written guides out there. Thanks for it!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] bengalih:
Interesting. Although I'm not sure if the audio gateway is exactly the issue. The reason I say that is that vcbthag.dll is still set as the gateway in the registry whether VC is loaded or not. The file still exists and the registry still points to it... so that wouldn't change if you disabled MSVC.

Also, although I am not 100% on this, I believe that the vcbthag.dll is used more for incoming BT. Meaning this is the important part that causes MSVC to "pick up" when you click your BT headset.

I haven't tested this, but if you would like to I suggest to do the following:

1) Make sure MSVC is working from your BT headset and that it is also set to announce incoming callers on your BT. Make at least one test call to make sure you hear the announcement.

2) Go into the registry and remove vcbthag.dll as the audio gateway (just keep it blank) and soft reset. Now when you try to initialize MSVC from your BT it should not work. But, what I am interested in is will you still get the announcement when a call comes in? If so then I think that shows that the vcbthag.dll (Audio Gateway) isn't coming into play for announcements.

You can also check how TomTom operates in these circumstance. Also, either way, you might want to just disable all announcements and see how it works.

MSVC definitely taps into some outgoing audio whether or not announcements are enabled. I discovered this when working with MSVC's issues on announcing an Unknown/Private calls. Whether or not I had announcement's enabled it still would cut off the ring on these types of calls.

Although it would be interesting to find the results of the above... i have a feeling that in the end the solution is just going to be to have to disable MSVC if you want to use TomTom :/
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] bengalih:
Why don't both of you post:

ROM

RADIO

MSVC Version

TomTom Version

Model of BT headset

It might help out.

thanks.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] dispatch:
ROM: 3.28.405.0 WWE

RADIO: 1.65.16.25

MSVC: 1.6.19209 (bengalih build)

TomTom: 6.032.8351

BT: Anycom SCK1 (hands-free, not an earpiece)

FYI my TomTom does not send the sound thru BT which I believe is expected behavior.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] dlindman:
ROM: 3.28.405.0 WWE

RADIO: 1.65.16.25

MSVC Version: 1.6.19209 cab from here

TomTom Version: 6.032.8351 from HTC application disk

Model of BT headset: Jabra 8040

The thing about this is that this all worked great prior to up grading to this stupid HTC new ROM. I always had great response from MSVC and Tom Tom worked through my BT when on and when off over the speaker....no setup originally needed.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] bengalih:
Well two issues here. Dispatch says his is working fine, but also says that he doesn't think TomTom is supposed to work through BT... so first you need to figure out what is correct there.

You guys have the same config apart from the BT device, so if everything works for him, you may want to try a clean device and start with just TomTom and MSVC.

If you can't figure it out, then as I stated earlier, just disable MSVC when wanting to use TomTom. Also, maybe something like BTToggle would work to open up the BT channel to TomTom.?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] dispatch:
Without doing more troubleshooting on my end, it would appear the problem may lie with the new HTC Rom. I'm OK with having TomTom just thru the phone speaker, but if dlindman does get his working again (that is, proper TomTom sound through BT) with the new HTC Rom I would be interested to know the fix, if any.

dlindman: is your problem:

1. TomTom speech being cut off at the beginning when using phone speaker?

2. TomTom speech being cut off at the beginning when using is via BT?

3. Both?

4. Combination of the above or something else?

ps. My MSVC is configured to only give announcements when I am connected to BT

pps. If mods would like we could start a new thread for TomTom troubleshooting....
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] mreaglejr:
I don't use any bluetooth headsets. BUT maybe it's doing it when I select Vibrate.. I just don't understand it then.. Sometimes it has the sounds, sometimes not. Sometimes the chick is talking to me, sometimes not. :D Can't this work in vibrate mode?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] bengalih:
I don't believe that vibrate should be a problem, but I can't say I have tested it extensively. If you post your exact MSVC and ringer settings and exactly what problem you are seeing maybe I or others can recreate it.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] dlindman:
Tom Tom and MSVC...

My settings are the same as far as announcements...and announcements work just time. I can stream music through the headset and when calls come in, it cuts off, allows the call and then resumes...so all looks good except for Tom Tom. I've even tried Navigon 6 for PDA and it seems to be working OK....at least I get full announcements of directions, but Navigon doesn't like incoming calls and will speak at the same time I'm on the phone. Tom Tom never did that.

Tom Tom works fine with the phone speaker...not cutting off and I get the voices every time. I get some voice over BT headset when using it, but it cuts off the first part of the directions MOST of the time, but not all of the time. And to even make it more confusing, I can get correct directions one time (fully says turn right ahead), but the next time I drive through, it might cut off the first part (rn right ahead).

MSVC has now settled down and I only seem to be having a problem with Tom Tom. I've contacted Tom Tom support about this and am waiting for a response. I'll let you know if I get anything.

One last thing (edit), I installed MSVC AFTER installing Tom Tom and that got the BT working like it is now, if I did it before I installed Tom Tom, I got no voice......one of the BT files must get overwritten and casues the conflict, I just don't know which one.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] billyJAM:
UK & US

Hi, could sum1 please mention the differences between Voice Command US & UK? I'm a South African actually, so my accent is more british than american, I used to use v1.5 UK on my Magician (WM2003SE). Now I've got a Universal with Ranju v7.7 WM6.1 and had trouble with the announcement issues. Guess I'm going to try the 1.6.19209 US build.

Are the recognition systems the same, or is it just that the announcements are more american sounding?

Thanx in advance.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] bengalih:
The recognition is not only suited for british dialects (over 40 of them I think), but it also handles number parsing differently when using the "dial" command. It is geared towards the international dialing codes as opposed to U.S. However, if you use "Call" contact instead of "dial" number that gets around those issues.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] kipmast:
Hey, just a quick update-Beings the fabled ROM upgrade has finally come, With the official WM6.1 ROM upgrade I have same issues. Actually MSVC it is even more inconsistant than before. I think my Kaiser is just wacked. Unless other folks are experiencing issues with WM6.1 and MSVC. I will be parting with it soon anyways.

I plan on getting a Touch Dual (US version) and will attempt to load MSVC and see if notification issues are present on this device(Different ROM,same chipset from what I can see?)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] billyJAM:
Thanks very much. I'm using the new US version. It's working fine. Though, I've come to realise that the messaging announcements are no good with SMS, since it just reads the whole thing very poorly (SMS lingo). lol. Disabled that then.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] bengalih:
Yeah, honestly I always looked at the e-mail/sms announcements as a bit gimicky. To me the strength is just being able to dial w/out training the voice. It would be nice if incoming phone announcements worked flawlessly too.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] billyJAM:
Yeah. With the new build, I'm very satisfied that the incoming call notifications are working perfectly on my Universal running Ranju v7.7 WM6.1. I have to admit, Voice Command probably rates as one of Microsoft's best applications on any platform. Thanks for providing it.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] bengalih:
It's really a nothing application after you take into account their Speech API (SAPI) which is really quite amazing.

I'm not a hard core programmer, I do mostly scripting...but I was able to write a VBScript to remote control applications on the PC in less than half a day (having 0 knowledge of it beforehand).

I wrote some program to help voice control Skype (on a PC) from a bluetooth headset. It's the SAPI that is powerful, it's funny why other apps don't implement this.

You can see in MS Live Search the ability to use Speech, it really would not be too difficult for other applications to integrate this awesome functionality.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] MarkAtHome:
Now you got me. I'd love to see one of our resident geniuses somehow incorporate AT&T's text-to-speech technology into MSVC. :D Take a look here http://www.research.att.com/~ttsweb/tts/demo.php and then peruse the various links. FWIW, I've yet to hear anything that comes close.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] bengalih:
I wouldn't doubt if that whole web application was built using Microsoft's SAPI or at least the same fundamental concepts. As I said, a programmer could probably write an application to do that in about 10 minutes using SAPI.

I'm pretty sure that the Natural Voicesthat they offer can actually be added to a standard SAPI-based application for a more natural sounding voice then the built-in default voices.

MSVC could sound that good if MS licensed, or AT&T replaced the default Michelle voice with one of their Natural Voices.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] tsk10007:
Great Toggle applications! 2 comments:

1) Could an onscreen message pop up to confirm what setting we have just toggled to?

2)) I was wondering if these apps could be told to toggle at a particular time of day, say announcement notification option #2 from 0600-1700, and then option #3 from 1701 - 0559? This is what I would find most convenient for me because I don't wear my BT headset once I get home. I know it's easy to click the toggle, but just wanted to share the idea.

Thanks !