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[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] SquireSCA:
Which of those listed, require root? I think that recording calls might be the only one?

Everything else you mentioned, any Android phone will do...
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] Duncan1982:
For some tech is a hobby, and phones albeit yea they are there for Ordering a pizza , watch a bit of Netflix, YouTube, check emails, play some games, listen to some music etc. However like me I am yes admittedly right into tech (not just smartphones) but they are addictive for me, I enjoy tinkering and having more control than a manufacturer originally intends.

Its up to the individual if root is important or not, opinions here is why do you need root? Well control over they system. Changing certain elements, custom themes now requires root, modifying sound settings, just so many things to list.

However I'm not rooting my S10+, I'm very much comfortable with it the way it is, but I will not judge or gripe or ask questions or whatever on someone's wish to have it.

Thus why some are impatient as they are used to root, they like having full access, yea to some ots "just a phone " but many have been in the rooting, custom rom game for a long time, (myself included) that it brought me joy at first , after years well I grew tired and now phones are at a point where I don't really need it, but I'll tell you all something that are asking why root ect, Is learning, I have a better knowledge than I did before about tech, how it works ect.

So maybe your not that interested, that's fine enjoy stock, like me, that is perfectly acceptable., but so is those that still wish to have it.
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] tiho5:
I'm not only talking about root in my post.

I mainly don't agree with your "this is a. phone" statement.

As for the root, may be try to have more attention and patience and see once again my post. I've mentioned why root is needed specifically and I mean what I said completely.

And even if the sole gain from root was call recorder (which is by far not), it is more than justified.

*****

There's also one other aspect and phenomenon about root:

May be root is also about owning your device. May be people subconsciously feel that they don't own their devices to the full without root. We have paid for them so why be imposed restrictions and limitations?

One may conclude the makers must think we are stupid and might break our phones. Isn't this humiliating to us, their customers?

Why would one blame people for opposing rules that limit them without reason. Why should people always do what they're told, what they are allowed to? People subconsciously tend to rebel against things like that.

And this is one of people's good qualities. Because this leads to thrugh and truth leads to better life.
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] xRedDroidx:
I thought we had some news, can you just go away if not interested in root please? No ones cares what you think and we don't need to tell you why we need root for.
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] aussiesausage:
Your on the wrong forums if it's "just a phone" tech ( smart phones in this case ) is life, and is way more then just a phone to me and to a lot of others.
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] SquireSCA:
You guys are kinda confirming that my opinion that root today, for MOST, is out of some psychological need to control everything... like OCD or something...

If you feel the effort is worth it to change an icon or something else, go for it. But every time we see a new Samsung device come out, there is the small but very vocal OCD crowd demanding root yesterday, when the reality is that if you actually NEED root, then the Samsung, is not for you. I get the desire to tinker and mod. I did it for years with phones... I started building and overclocking PC's when Cyrix still made CPU's alongside AMD and Intel and your mobo's had dipswitches... I mod my motorcycles and my truck, etc...

However, modding your phone to fix something common, is one thing. Trying to take a phone and make it into something different, "just cause"... Would be be like me taking a brand new Ferrari and then complaining how I need it to go off-roading and there aren't any dealer accessories for lift kits and mud tires... If I want to go off-roading, then the Ferrari is the wrong vehicle. The "lower specs" Z71 Silverado with a lift kit and Nitto Ridgegrapplers, is the better choice...

Phones are so damned good today that the actual realistic needs for root will fit on a post-it with plenty of paper left open... There is no need to settle on one device and try to make it like the other one that already offers what you want... If I needed root, I would buy a Pixel or OnePlus and not bother getting a Samsung and then being frustrated for half a year till someone cracks it... Because by then, it won't have the "best specs"...

I like to mod stuff, but my phone, I need it to work for work, emergencies and staying in touch with people... I need a phone to USE, not spend hours a day fiddling and fixing it... And I don't mod my carry guns, for liability purposes... I save that for target guns or AR's or something where I am not likely to be called into court for a defensive shooting and have some weenie prosecutor trying to convict me over something inane that he doesn't understand and learned from the movies... LOL

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You are completely missing the point. The point isn't whether you actually need root or if it is just a compulsion that you have...

It's if you need/want root, why buy the least likely or hardest phone to get root for? Why not buy one you KNOW has root and call it a day?

We are back to buying the Ferrari and then getting mad when it can't go offroading... haha
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] FreeTheWeb:
Squire, you are on the wrong bed bro.
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] SquireSCA:
No, because this has nothing to do with whether or not root is valid, or a need, or whatever... It's not about that, despite my listing MY reasons why I no longer do it. I did for years, on many phones, including early iPhones...

It's about people saying that FOR THEM, root is a requirement. A deal breaker.

If that's the case, then steer clear of Samsung because it's gonna be hit or miss at best... I have had Samsung phones that had a bounty on root that exceeded 10 grand, and I think it took over half a year to get it? By that time, the new phones were coming out and you had to start and wait all over again, because the people who cared about "specs" no longer wanted root on "last year's phone"... haha

You keep thinking that I am against rooting... I am not. I personally have no need for it, but to each their own... But you would be better served picking a more root friendly brand, is all I am saying... Stop trying to make your Ferrari into a mud machine or rock crawler... there are vehicles out there, today, that already do all that, better, out of the box. :)
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] hella356:
Haven't the Exynos versions of every S and Note phone gotten TWRP, root, custom ROMs, and kernels? Sometimes within a few days of release, usually a few weeks. Sure, the SD versions are more or less a lost cause for that, but we have the Exynos option, which you seem to be ignoring. I'm waiting for TWRP and root to come out before getting an Exynos S10e - there is NO phone out there that even comes close to the hardware of the S10e in its size/form factor, and there are many reasons to improve it via rooting, which have already been listed here. Yes, over time root has become less important, but for many of us it is still a big part the overall experience. I've never used a more root-friendly phone than my current Exynos S7.
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] galaxys:
XDA and Root rock the Development house! ?
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] SquireSCA:
Fair enough, I have only ever had an SD version of the phone, being here in the states...
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] CountVonKrolock:
I never needed to root an Android phone...until the S10. And the only reason I'll even do it is because Samsung caved in to Google and blocked rootless Substratum support on the S10's version of Pie. And I grew accustomed to having Instagram and WhatsApp with black themes.

If Samsung issued an update that reverted that, I wouldn't even bother. As it stands, I want root to achieve a very specific need. And if Google ever does a theme engine that applies to third party apps and allows me to do that which I was doing with Substratum, I won't need it anymore. But root is still a useful tool to have. Whether *you* need it or not, it depends only on you.

That said, I'm OK with waiting. Sure, I have the Exynos version anyway, but I'm not in a hurry. I simply got the S10, have it carefully stored and I kept using my old phone until root is available for my new one. Will it take a month, two months? I don't care. I do agree phones aren't life. They're tools. But there's no need to go around telling other people they have no reason to want root. ;)
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] hella356:
I live in the USA and have both the SD and Exynos versions of the flat S7 A somewhat unfair comparison since the Exynos 8890 was clearly superior to the SD820. I don't game, so don't know about that aspect, but in every other way, the stock 8890 version was just better. But rooted & with custom kernels & ROMs, it had better responsiveness and battery life than stock, before even getting into AdAway, Viper, and all of the other add-ons. And being able to do full backups is hard to give up since I'm so used to it. I recently gave the stock SD version a try for the hell of it, and there's no way I could go back. I'm actually giving the SD S7 to a friend. It has been my emergency backup phone, but the Exynos S7 will take on that role once I get an S10e rooted and rocking.
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] VICosPhi:
People who do not need root, good for you that you are content with this amazing phone but remember there are many on this forum at least who need root because of micromanaging/nanny policies Samsung and Google has placed which prevent us from fully utilizing the device. To answer why some of us need root, here are a few reasons I posted previously:

Viper4Android

Tasker with full functionality

Titanium Backup

Call recording in case Google disables it again

Dual SIM+MicroSD functionality

True adblock

Nandroid Backup
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] aussiesausage:
I have over 30 phones, I easily have access to a rooted one. But there is hundreds and hundreds of people out there ( including the developer of magisk mind you ) who want/are rooting the S10.

You've been told a number of reasons why people want/like root access and still try deny it.....

Everyone has there own needs and opinion, your trying to jam yours down everyone's kneck, and XDA is the completely wrong place to do so.

Now can we please get back on topic, the whole point of this thread.
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] SquireSCA:
I was simply pointing out that 95% of his list were things that don’t require root. The rest was just saying that if you really need root, buy a phone that has it rather than paying $1000 for this one and just rolling the dice and hoping?
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] fOmey:
"It's if you need/want root, why buy the least likely or hardest phone to get root for? Why not buy one you KNOW has root and call it a day?"

This is only true for our USA snapdragon neighbors, but for the remaining world (exynos users) usually have root immediately out of the box.

For the rest of the world Samsung's are generally not any harder to root than a pixel, if you can unlock your boot loader of coarse.
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] funiewski:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D1_YKwSW0AAZ_bm?format=jpg&name=large

:svetius:
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] Ralph.Lemarechal:
Teaser ;)
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] mansonstein:
How? patched_boot.img？
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] funiewski:
It's not me, ask [MENTION=4470081]topjohnwu[/MENTION]

https://mobile.twitter.com/topjohnwu

Haven't had time yet for try myself
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] spartanz51:
Twrp i think
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] xRedDroidx:
Yes! :D

Let's hope to have it by this week :good:

Such a pain having the phone without all your old stuff.
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] mansonstein:
But if there is TWRP, why can't we root as he does?
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] spartanz51:
Because we need to wait that magisk's creator release update to support S10

And we need twrp compiled for s10

It will be available in next days I think
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] sille:
if u have twrp you can already root it, as the patches should be out on the canary already
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] TheUndertaker21:
yeah it just got rooted

going to buy my exynos one on ebay next week

going for 890 still
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] hollisnh:
keep in mind this is for SM-G975F, exynos version were the bootloader can be unlocked. no chance of root on SM-G975U with snapdragon and the bootloader is locked.
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] xRedDroidx:
Is it out? Any guide on how to do it? With Magisk possibly.
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] CountVonKrolock:
Give it a few more days until all the tools are in place (TWRP still doesn't have a proper version of the S10) and then keep an eye on Max Lee's YouTube channel as he does videos explaining very well how to do it (it's also good to actually see it being done instead of just reading).
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] xdreaper15:
Unless someone can exploit the bootloader, right?
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] pixiebob:
not all snapdragon model is locked, mine is unlocked
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] mains75:
Where did you buy it?
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] pixiebob:
at rakuten UK vendor name : conceptzona
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] SAO:
Did you check that the bootloader is unlocked in download mode ? Even some exynos unlocked OEM have bootloader locked strangely.

I can see some up coming threads about this issue.

(A friend has a exynos with unlocked OEM in developers menu, but his bootloader is locked in recovery... Just saying)
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] Tel864:
Probably a Chinese model?
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] mains75:
https://www.techwalls.com/samsung-galaxy-s10-model-number-sm-g970-g973-g975-g977-differences/

Here we can find the right number models of S10 for Exynos and Snap to check if it's locked or unlocked.
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] NisseGurra:
More complete list:

https://www.teamandroid.com/2019/02/28/samsung-galaxy-s10-model-numbers-variants/

Edit: Confirmed unlockable : SM-G9700(Snapdragon 855)
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] mains75:
OT: All SD variants have FM radio, right?
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] elite-fusion:
So wait, is there in fact a snapdragon version of the s10+ that has, or can have, the bootloader unlocked?
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] Tel864:
I believe it's the Chinese model.
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] the_dealer:
According to the list my 970u is a snapdragon 855. What does that mean for me being able to get root? Is the bootloader unlockable? I need my Tibu, v4a, Dolby, greenify, swiftkey, and black backgrounds that I'm accustomed to that the Samsung themes just don't do. My phone is a tool and I'm running a business with it, and I need root for numerous reasons. Kinda disappointed when I thought we finally got some action, only to find out half the new replies were members downing people who want root. Who cares why some of us want root, we still want it no matter wtf you tell us. Not trying to be a **** but, either contribute something or gtfo.

With that said, some of us are willing to donate to any dev that can do it. If there's already a dev working on it, tag them so we can find out how to buy them a beer.
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] elite-fusion:
What doctates the phones bootloader is unlockable? I see two varients for China in one of the links above.
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] nodymoha:
No, only the US and Canada variations

Yes, the ones sold in China and Latin America, these models G9750 (S10+), G9730 (S10), G9700 (S10e)
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] pixiebob:
yes mine is china model :SM-G9730

https://www.teamandroid.com/2019/02/28/samsung-galaxy-s10-model-numbers-variants/
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] pixiebob:
I have this in recovery what do you think? , sorry for bad quality photo
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] pixiebob:
chinese model have fm radio too, app nextradio not working but there is native app radio fm and reception is very good:good:
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] SAO:
Go into download mode and see this.

OEM On : locked

OEM Off : unlocked
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] pixiebob:
I don't have indication on or off.

I do adb reboot bootloader
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] spartanz51:
You are on download mode, not recovery
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] elite-fusion:
So if I preordered the s10+ from samsung direct, I should return it and order the G9750 elsewhere in order to get the China variant of the phone in order to have the bootloader unlocked.

How does the China version compare to the US version? Will it work with T-Mobile and be able to utilize all of its bands for call/data/internet/etc?
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] nodymoha:
That's a wonderful news. I'm glad that I was wrong ;)

As far as I know

LTE Band 71 - Wifi Calling - Samsung Pay
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] pixiebob:
do you see my previous post , i show picture of my recovery too.

so is my bootloader is unlocked?
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] xerostratos:
Mmmm......

If the OEM is available in developers options and in download mode it says OEM lock on, you only need to enter into download mode, and keep pressing the volume up button until it shows you another screen saying that if you want to unlock boot loader all your data will be wiped and that's all all exynos model are like that.
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] highaltitude:
What's funny is the people who come in here that don't want or need root and then they sit and downplay it. Well that's what this thread is about. If you don't need root go find some other threads to plug up. For many of us root is an essential tool to being able to fully use your phone. I don't know what company you work for but I work in IT and at my company employees freak out because they don't have admin rights on their computer. It's the same thing, it cripples your ability to fully use the tool at your grasp. Yes the phones have gotten way better so the need may not as great. For me it's part of being able to use my phone fully and part of my fun. Developers create custom stuff. Having route allows you to run custom stuff. If everyone was the same cookie cutter boring; life wouldn't be very exciting
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] pixiebob:
maybe there are no warning like you in download mode with certain snapdragon model.
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] CountVonKrolock:
Well, bad news. According to John Wu, it won't be possible to have TWRP and Magisk at the same time on the S10.

https://twitter.com/topjohnwu/status/1108488097707294722
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] kevkid:
Sucks that root will blow the efuse so we cant use Samsung pay. I wish we could still use it, even without holding Samsung accountable. I assume they do this because they want to compete with apple on paying with your phone and don't want a bad name.
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] hella356:
Does this mean no root, custom kernels & ROMs? I don't care about eFuse, Knox, Samsung Pay, just looking to set up like my Exynos S7.
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] pixiebob:
too bad :crying:
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] CountVonKrolock:
Someone more knowledgeable correct me if I'm wrong but from my understanding it just means that if you have TWRP installed, you won't be able to flash Magisk to hide root from apps like Netflix etc. So if you don't care about things like Samsung Pay etc, I guess? this won't affect you.

I'm not well versed on the partition explanations that Wu gave though so I'm not sure I grasp the full extent of this turn of events. Hopefully someone can help us understand exactly what this means for people looking to root for any reason.
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] xRedDroidx:
Wow that sucks, wtf Samsung. Probably last Samsung phone from me. Tbh for a lot of things I still prefer my S9 plus I gave to my sister, and now there is this bad news too :/
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] lildjey:
it is better to return the S10 in store and take another brand you think ?

Envoyé de mon SM-G975F en utilisant Tapatalk
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] CountVonKrolock:
That's up to you, honestly. Depends on what you wanted root for.

For me I just want root to get back theming of third party apps via Substratum. I will try to find another solution (namely modding apks to change the theme) before giving up on the S10.
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] the_dealer:
I could care less about hiding root, Samsung pay, or tripping Knox. If that's the only downside and we can still get custom rom and kernel, or at least custom rom. I'm feeling pretty good about my s10e
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] hella356:
Exactly my opinion, although I am holding off on S10e purchase until I know for sure.
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] elite-fusion:
So say the knox is tripped on a note 8 which i want to send in for the trade in, will they accept it, or no?
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] VICosPhi:
I doubt they will check it. All they ask for is that your screen is not cracked, phone boots and there is no password or lock of any kind.
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] fOmey:
As long as the device is running official firmware at the time of trade in, shouldn't be a problem.
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] lndiana:
I send them a rooted s9+, and they accepted it
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] xRedDroidx:
So we can use both twrp and Magisk but the problem will be that Magisk won't be hidden? Is that right?

Only bad thing is that I needed Magisk hide to play Fire Emblem because if you have root its blocked.

If it's more than this I'm actually thinking of taking back my old S9 plus from my sister...
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] VICosPhi:
Yes, for now it seems we can either run TWRP or Magisk but not both. If topjohnwu figures out a way to run both, he fears that Magisk Hide will not work to hide root from bank and other apps that restrict running on a rooted phone(which is BS imo).
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] lildjey:
I just want to install Rom if the devs do it and use Lucky Patcher and Titanium Backup #1 for me
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] elite-fusion:
Anyone have a list of apps which are blocked due to root?
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] tiho5:
This means root is still possible. Only not systemless root. So Magisk hide isn't going to work proper. Everything else will.

But I think there will be workarounds even for the systemless root.

The thing that John Wu has other priorities right now is the problem...
[Samsung Galaxy S10 Questions & Answers] xRedDroidx:
Also I don't know why some developers have to block their apps for rooted devices. I mean look at Clash Royale you can play it even with root, yet you can't hack or steal anything and they're making tons of money probably from rooted people too. So it's just a matter of making a good protection but they choose the easy way and block root.