yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Dust2Dust:
Maybee cooking ahi2dati.dll back in makes it even faster?? Is that worth a try?

/noobish
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] zaharakis:
it's not worth it :(

believe me;)

just wait for official release to see :confused:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] redbandana:
that doesn't really help me to why its not worth flashing. I am reading that it is fast and stable. You stating "it's not worth it" doesn't describe much. Please provide further insight to why you think this.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] zaharakis:
sory for my short answer.you're wright:)

i use lately HyperDragon_IIs_WWE_3.14.405_1.65.14.06 and is the best rom (except XDA live 3.0)i've ever try in my kaiser.this rom is with pagepool dynamic and is much much faster from lot of other roms super duper pagepool boosted!!

fast,stable and no issues at all, with all my apps .

after this rom i am using and flashing this ""official"" stuff the only thing i saw is another 6.1 rom with changed pagepool and nothing,but nothing,better than the rom i said that i'm using;)

i didn't see anywhere in this ""official"" rom any better video quality,not even a faster camera ....so for what,really good, reason keep this rom in my kaiser??

the only good i found is the new radio that seems better in signal strength,so i'll give a shot (only at radio and no in this rom);)

friendly Dimitris
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] redbandana:
thanks i just posted a thread for the radio and rom considering it was embedded in this thread. I will test tomorrow.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] jhquentin:
English

PLS, can you post english version?

Thanks a lot
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] piobeer:
Please check post #313
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] redbandana:
it is posted!!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] jhquentin:
re

yes, but NLD is 3.29.404.0,

but the english is WWE 3.28.405.0

So, I think , that WWE is not a latest.. :-(
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] conceptcar3:
So another update, and no drivers. Was this the update everyone has been waiting for, or is the official ROM still to be announced? I am sad, I want instant screen orientation change!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] pietrucci:
any news on the radio? is it a non-locked version???
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Dredd67:
Check the dedicated thread. It's not locked.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Andy_S:
As i posted before (maybe in this thread, maybe elsewhere), i think SW update won't fix camera quality as it is only CIF... :(
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Laurentius26:
Yep, but when you move your Kaiser camera around in the evening it should do faster frames, because that's a realy anoying big bug, cif or not cif.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Billun:
Switching the screen orientation takes about 2-3 sec for me.

One time it got stuck in landscape so i had to softreset.

I installed TCPMP and tried to watch a AVI xvid, it wasn´t possible.

I had like 1 frame every 3 sec.

But maybe a big avi is to much for kaiser?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] rabdo:
I use coreplayer on my Kaiser and avi files play very smoothly
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] DavidMc0:
I've put plenty of AVI X-VID files on my kaiser, and they play fine on TCMP, just need to change options/video to GDI not DirectDraw and you'll probably find it plays them without any trouble.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Billun:
Hmm, strange.

For me it plays a couple of frames then the picture freezes and only the sound plays.

:confused:

EDIT: I also tried with GDI and soft reseted but i still can´t watch the avi´s.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] xenoflits:
Same for me, those people that use tcpmp and don't have frameskip use really low quality movies to test. If you test a decent quality movie then it will freeze while the sound continue's to play. For now I am converting my xvids/divx to flashvideo and play them that way. No video skipping noticed so far.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Billun:
Will try that, thanks.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] ycavan:
really off-topic, but why would you want to watch a "very high quality" movie on your device? it's only 320x240 w/ stereo... you can use many freely available tools to re-encode your movies to that resolution w/ 2ch instead of 5.1 or 6.1. Just my $0.02.

I've never had a problem with tcpmp playing anything using direct framebuffer as long as I didn't try to force it to play something incredibly difficult. Using pocket divx encoder also drops my movies down to about 125MB, which easily allows me to fit a bunch of movies on my 6gig sd card.

'n finally, if you have unlimited internet access ( or use the wifi ) you can use orb ( www.orb.com ) to stream videos to your device. ie, I just used orb to stream dish networks to my phone on my 6.5 hour drive back to my hometown.

There are many many options to watch your videos, you just have to realize that there are limitations and accept those limitations, until something comes out to remove those limitations. ie, Coreplayer is a commercial product that uses the Qtv hardware in the device to play back videos smoothly. They are the same developers of tcpmp, which is the BEST free video player for any WM device.

I apologize profusely for being off-topic guys, but this just had to be said.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Dredd67:
Well, you can use your phone as a mobile harddrive:

- put a hd movie on it (you have space for that)

-plug it into let's say a XBOX 360 (just an example) and start to watch it on your HD TV.

-Need to go to the dentist ? Take the phone with you and watch the end of the movie in the waiting room...

As simple as that. That's what mobility is intended for.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Billun:
It's not a demand from my side, i just want to find the limits for my device.

I would have been surprised if it did work.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] schulzj:
You have a good point and I completely agree with you. Even if the Kaiser were able to play a HD movie then the limitation would be the physical screen. Also, I would still encode the video to store more of them on the storage card.

The main point though, for me, of the video drivers isn't so much watching video but just the way the display and hardware work together. The best way of thinking about this is starting your computer in safe mode without the drivers. Even though you wouldn't be watching video you would notice how bad the performance is.

And with the specs that this phone has there shouldn't be a delay at all switching from portrait to landscape and should never be a delay when scrolling through a folder.

Just my thoughts
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] mickeymouse:
OK!! THIS IS IT!! I AM DONE WAITING...........i just selled my kaiser for 50 euro's....
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] mickeymouse:
i mean sold ofcource...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] ycavan:
don't get me wrong guys... I VERY much want hardware acceleration on my own device. :) Like many other users, I feel gipped that I bought a "powerful" device that ended up being crippled due to lack of driver support and possibly disabled hardware. I would like nothing better than to be able to use my device as a replacement for my laptop.

As far as videos, I agree that it'd be NICE to have just one copy of a hq video on the sd card, but in the end, for me it's a space issue. 99% of my files are on my 6gig card. I could swap out, but my inherent laziness prevents me from having/using multiple cards for different things. ;)

...and the potential to play my old ps1 games on my phone is very exciting. As it is, I only get about 12-19 playable fps w/ a game like Suikoden 2.

So, yeah... I would love to see HTC provide us hardware accelerated drivers, but I'm also not going to stop using my phone for my day-to-day things & that involves re-encoding videos or watching them using orb ( which does the re-encoding depending on your bandwidth ).

I also understand that my situation may be different from your guys in that my entire library exists on my htpc ( home theater pc ) connected to my lcd tv via hdmi, so when I'm home, I watch my movies using that and not a wii, 360, ps3, etc... so it is easy to stream all of my movies/live tv to my phone using orb.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] McHale:
nah, I don't watch videos or do anything with multimedia on my Kaiser. I just hate how sometimes it won't pull out of landscape or it takes several LONG seconds to rotate the screen. This is a driver issue. It's the same as buying a new freaking top of the line video card and have to use the generic VGA drivers with it. What's the point of the card at that point?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] dubbeld00:
Stock HTC TyTN II score on graphical: 2076.8

Found Dutch ROM TyTN 2 scored (image 2): 4755.19

I see a 125% improvement! (2.5 times as much performance on graphics)

Also if I compare the other things:

Stock rom:

GAPI: 545

DIB: 17.8

DDB: 491

And this rom:

GAPI: 641

DIB: 39.5

DDB: 1449

Only a comparison... You can make your own conclusions... (we don't even know if this ROM is official). Looks promising to me
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] conceptcar3:
does this mean the leaked rom has the drivers? I don't get it...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] defp:
I have the dutch rom installed, about the same experience of speed in comparison to No thrills v3 i've used before.

Tried manila, about the same FPS 3,something max.

Ran benchmark:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] smads:
New drivers won't help the camera.

When you point the camera into the light the camera needs shorter exposures to generate the display and the screen updates fine (+20fps), meaning the current drivers are doing their job.

In the dark it's the cameras lack of sensitivity that needs longer exposures to generate an image to push to the video display. The display driver can only display an image once the camera has generated it.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] dubbeld00:
There is something that is making this ROM run faster... Can be drivers, it can also be tweaks... Maybe a "pro" can investigate this.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] majaelx:
Polaris camera issue is solved (can clone method to Kaiser)

it seems every thing is moving in the wright direction

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=392993&page=14
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] maati:
It's not solved. In direct comparison, I noticed the camera to be slightly faster in low light conditions with the Diamond .dll but it's still slow.

This Dutch ROM looks very promising. Hopefully someone will make a WWE version of it quickly!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] dubbeld00:
Hehehe I think some people have to prepare themselves to eat there shoes :P

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=392993 seems to have the video driver... They are testing to see if it is really true...

And about the camera issue... It's explained before, It's only in low light conditions, normally it will go up to 20fps... so fast enough (it has nothing to do with the driver issue).

(BTW. it seems this custom rom doesn't use the driver... (not talking about the to be released official HTC ROM))
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Ronnymes:
Where can I find the NLD version?

Can someone upload it for me?

Tnx ;)

allready found it : http://rapidshare.com/files/1161090...dio_sign_25.83.40.02_1.65.16.25_Ship.exe.html
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] xangma:
So does anyone know what's causing the amazing increase?

Could it be this?

What is that?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] NuShrike:
*sigh*

default_d3dm.dll is the software implementation direct from Microsoft

htc_d3dm.dll is just a wrapper for default_d3dm.dll

we need 2D acceleration to notice anything since WinCE isn't a 3D GUI like MacOSX

dropping in a d3dm_ati.dll is POINTLESS because a proper DDI.dll and ahi2dati.dll are still required dependencies
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] xangma:
Right awesome. So do we have any idea as to what is causing the high benchmarks?

Are these files in the new Touch Diamond ROM?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] NuShrike:
The complete NLD/WWE rom probably optimized other parts of the OS.

Just guessing from what I've seen of the KS20, there could have been some system DLLs shipped in debug form that they finally reshipped in optimized form.

Guessing from the WM6.0 to WM6.1 changes in the Kaiser, they could have improved the subsystem locks so that time critical code isn't waiting on something else to finish as much anymore.

Otherwise, I need to dl that ROM and look at some the files. :)

Looking at the d3dm_ati.dll from the other thread, if it's from the Diamond, it is 99% identical to the KS20 d3dm_ati.dll and so certainly doing some hardware-acceleration. This would be good capital toward HTC's claims that they have real drivers coming for the Kaiser.

However, there's too many files missing in that rom in the other thread for that DLL to work besides the fact it's only supports 3D and no benchmarks have ran that compare the 3D speed.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Geo_Ros:
New topic about the NLD rom
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Imperium:
Vsbenchmark is also running crap

can anyone post the results with an other ROM?

results attached
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] NuShrike:
Okay guys, I can confirm that the NLD rom has ATI code in the DDI.dll that has never been there in previous Kaiser ROMs.

First there's these new ScreenUpdateByFlip() and ScreenUpdateByCopy() functions in DDI.dll that only existed before in the KS20 DDI.dll. Investigating ScreenUpdateByFlip(), I see embedded code that resembles AhiDevRegRead() that only existed before in ahi2dati.dll and the whole call resembles the AhiEnableSoftInterrupt() call that spinlocks on a certain 0x40000 bit to be set in ATI register 0x200 that was giving me so much problems when porting libgles_cm.dll.

It also uses get_virtual_address() from wce_rex.dll that existed previously only on the KS20, and DDI.dll imports functions from disptools.dll which also only existed before on the KS20.

So, YES, this thing has some hardware acceleration for screen flips and updates, image transfers, etc, and I think we just need a compatible libgles_cm.dll to finish this off. I'm not sure if it's as complete as the KS20, the ATI code doesn't look as efficient as the KS20's code, but it's there. There isn't 3D acceleration yet as far as I can tell because htc_d3dm.dll is still a wrapper for default_d3dm.dll.

NOTE: ScreenUpdateByFlip() isn't used internally by DDI.dll as the KS20's version does so DDI.dll itself (for all the basics) may not be accelerated at all!

Woo! This is something new and useful.

edit: looks like wce_rex.dll from the XIP is broken/incomplete so it's not a full port.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] hjlow:
!

this is first post that seems to confirm what we have all been waiting for.. i have been watching from the sidelines, but this is exciting news

thanks NuShrike
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] msharaf:
Sounds good.

I read a little about graphics acceleration but I find what you post hard to understand. :confused:

Can you summarize in English. :rolleyes:

Thanks
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Isaygarcia:
that means that the .dll's have the instructions for a hardware oriented acceleration.

ScreenUpdateByFlip() is on DDi.dll so this instruction goes directly to the hardware driver, and this activates one of the functions available.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa911948.aspx

:)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] NuShrike:
Basically, it has code in there to speed up screen image copies, depending on who asks directly for it (since DDI.dll doesn't use it itself). This could explain why the DDB benchmarks are improved.

DDI.dll uses disptools.dll which has lots of ATI display initialization and use code in it.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] dcd1182:
i did notice the disptools.dll dependancy

not to impede your progress at all, but might you have a minute to point us on other devices in the right direction for what to port over?

i've experimented with ddi+disptools+etc, tried to grab display-relevant keys from oemdrivers rgu, but cant get titan to boot.

maybe ddi.dll cant be ported to another device? im no expert.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] hjlow:
we need the chefs to go to work on this asap :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Jon Stewart:
sweet, can't wait for dutty's next rom to integrate thes drivers and the camera fix in the previous page into his next rom. :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] NuShrike:
There's binary API issues that need to be dealt with first:

You need a wce_rex.dll that fully-supports the get_virtual_address()/free_virtual_address() calls (not just stubs like on the NLD rom), DDI.dll that has ScreenUpdateByFlip() and uses it (NLD doesn't use it), msm_clk.dll (if needed), disptools.dll, wce_pmem.dll that can actually allocate certain chunks of ram (probably use qct_wce_pmem.dll instead), clkregim.dll, TrsTai_extension.dll that supports pm_vid_en() (don't know what this does), maybe a matching smem.dll, and ahi2dati.dll (if needed).

There's still a whole bunch of mutexes/semaphores/reg-entries that has dependencies between them all that I don't fully understand either.

Ya, not easy. :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] RPG0:
Well, i think they have no choice. They have to fix this, since a lot of people know about the kaiser problem, and their sales on the diamond would suffer greatly...

I am 90% sure the update will come, and they probably waited to announce it until the Diamond is announced, so they get a bigger hype: "Look, they even fixed the Tytn II, they are good guys after all, let's give them 5000$ for the shiny one !"

But... as i said before, if the drivers are not in the update, don't get upset, we don't actually need them -trust me, you would only see the difference in 2-3 games (2-3 games overall, not 2-3 games from the 10-20 you have). Again, we don't need the 3D drivers, we only need the 2D ones - a little HW accelerated API functions.

Oh, i'm so glad there's a Qualcomm chip in the Diamond, otherwise they wouldn't care about us (the Kaiser owners). But now they have to prove that the Qualcomm chip is good. I know it's not the same chip as ours, but it's still Qualcomm, and people tend to judge a brand as a whole.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] one4me999:
This reminds me of the time I lost 4 grand playing stocks with a company that would promise exact dates for their audit results. Everyone would pump in the cash the day before release and then sell it all the next day when they never came out and this happened about 4 times before the share price drowned. Meanwhile insiders were selling theirs stock the day before financials and getting rich. And this is exactly how it started. Only difference is that HTC has their prized diamond to hold everything up and its not a stock scam. But I wouldn't be surprised to see a couple more PR's before nothing happens and the diamond drowns out the issue (or so they hope). Lets see
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] RPG0:
HEHE, nice one ! Didn't see it that way !
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] drownage:
+1...

I am with the guy who says: Fool me once, shame on me... Fool me 80,000 Shame on me.

Forget it guys/gals, HTC plainly told us earlier... the update will only improve video performance, which is something core player already fixed. There will 100% be no driver update, it will purely be improved video playback... Dont count on the update or even getting them from new phones... because new phones use a slightly different hardware... Best bet... new phone (I recommend iPhone 3G... Pshh... coming out summer time :) )... Diamond will actually be later than the 3G iPhone in the US... or just wait for MS to release its own wm7 phone ;)...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] mchapman007:
+1 but a big -1 on the iPhone...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] VirgilWoods:
Hmm, I think I have a better chance of dividing by 0..
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Electronic Punk:
Would be funny if they come out with a 6.0 rom
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Isaygarcia:
haha..

never mind an iPhone..

the system of the iphone (suppossed OSX) doesnt fill my reqs : )

if iphone had a better OS would be different :)...

because it has a good hardware..

and for the Upgrade thing..

Just a little Hope ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] NuShrike:
Kinda strange that the iMate 9502 and the LG KS20 both have DDI.dll ATI 2D acceleration on the same Qualcomm CPU, but HTC can't even manage it.

I take it as HTC are cheap asses whom can't program themselves out of a paper bag.

Anybody got a 9502 rom dump?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] haam1978:
hehee those basters on Htc are damn lucky they could make all these people waiting and busy for their fixing although it's their mistake and they shouldn't introduce the tytn before they test it

it's something very difficult to imagen . how can any company sell a device with an issue iam sure they noticed it , don't tell me they didn't test the device thousands times before relasing it .

this company really need a hard lesson to learn to respect customers rights
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] BombaMyte:
I dunno if this is gonna fuel the fire or not, but I was just at a road show for data devices for AT&T today. There were reps from all the major players, including HTC and Microsoft. MS stated that there was going to be a ROM update for all of AT&T's smartphones running Windows Mobile, from 6 to 6.1. HTC co-signed, stating that it should be available within the next 3-4 weeks, via a link on the HTC web site. Now I know this primarily deals with the Tilt, but it could possibly be other HTC devices as well...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] the_passenger:
We all know that the Kaiser will get an official ROM upgrade to WM6.1. What we dont know is whether HTC will release some sort of 2D/3D acc. driver for the Kaiser. And for that, most of us has lost hope awhile back. HTC PR came out and b/s about March update. It came and went without anything. I'm not shooting the messenger or the news site, I just lost hope for the driver...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] yi3o8:
Let's not forget... the issue, as I understand it, is that newcomer Broadcom holds a patent that was upheld to be infringed on by Qualcomm. The carriers with phones with the Qualcomm chip refused to stop sales and offered a software workaround, which they knew may be deficient both for performance and legality.

Point is what someone already said: performance increase - maybe

drivers - not legally
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] wilsonzone:
If this holds true, it would be the best news in a while from HTC, but my trust in them is holding on by a itty bitty tiny thread.