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[Sony Xperia 1 Real Life Review] Timaustin2000:
My points against his review stand.

Note that I was respectful in my response to him - I'm not calling him a hater but you do need to read what I typed.

Two of his main issues were him not understanding how to use it. It has exposure and white balance microadjustment on the main camera interface and he complained about both without going to any trouble to make any adjustment. He just wasn't using it properly - that's his fault, not Sony's.

And again, he did not talk about detail retention at all. There is no question that the S10+ isn't up to scratch on this compared to the Sony. The Sony captures far more fine detail than the S10+.

He, correctly, noted that the lack of always-on HDR produced BETTER, more dramatic results on the Sony at times. At other times the S10+s better DR won the day,... but I see he's now posted a video where he's discovered the HDR toggle on the X1 and really likes it.

THAT'S THE POINT.

Always on HDR removes choice. It takes away the oportunity to manually frame a shot as you'd like it - HDR on or off. That's why Sony has it as a toggle: it's better that way.

The actual quality of the Camera is superior on the X1. It simply is. Some people may like what Samsung does with their processing but millions of people bought 50 Shades of Grey: that didn't make it a good book.

On all measurable metrics of what a stills camera should be doing, bar DR, the Sony has the S10+ beat. Colour reproduction, shutter speed, sharpness, detail reproduction, digital zoom (the S10+ has a **** digital zoom where the X1's is actually pretty useable) and night photography - all of these things are demonstrably better on the X1.

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmDVuJSf <-- my samples. It's a very good cameraphone.

Better than the P30 Pro of the Honor 20? I don't know - on the former, probably not. But that's the best cameraphone on the market so let's not call everything beneath it a failure.

But better than the S10+?

I have absolutely, positively no doubt about that whatsoever. It is.
[Sony Xperia 1 Real Life Review] blegs:
What most irritates me is whe open the camera apps and preview image after shoot, its so long.

And focus always hard to find if we do not touch the display
[Sony Xperia 1 Real Life Review] WarVic:
Honestly apart from Sony featured video mode, I can see any real benefits of Xperia 1 camera and any single advantage over Huawei P20 / P30/ Mate 20 series or even Xiaomi flagship camera system. But what I clearly see is far from good Sony image processing (as usual though), blown out skies, difficulty to make good shots in not ideal light conditions, not accurate bokeh effect, really bad camera app itself etc. And I can easily predict bad sales of this phone as a result of above mentioned camera issues plus other drawbacks like average battery live, questionable screen aspect ratio, no headphone jack, no wireless charging, bad fingerprint sensor, just 12MP camera whereas everyone else has got 48GB one, just 2x Zoom etc.

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This is the last thing that a $1k smartphone / cameraphone user should worry about. This is not a professional scientific tool or anything like that. When I buy an expensive camera-phone I should be able to take a great shots straight outta box without thinking and touching any setting. And if if doesn't work like that then this is wrong straight away. Sure at the same time you should be able to dig into setting, learn some things and tricks and take even greater shots but it is optional.

Book sales comparison was't really a good either. Apple and Samsung are very successful in smartphone sales not because people are damn stupid and buy what is good advertised. Apple and Samsung earned the love of millions and top sales because they make the great devices indeed. Sony never was like that and seems will never be. Just because they're not so good at it, that's it. There are other areas where Sony excels though.
[Sony Xperia 1 Real Life Review] xzpremium1976:
Samsung's Amoled are obsolete garbage If you want an oled reference you have to buy an Xperia 1

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[Sony Xperia 1 Real Life Review] JP10101:
Could I kindly but in and just ask you to explain why you think the Huawei P30 pro is better? I'm not a fan of their low light oil painting effect when you zoom in. However, I noticed this on the Huawei mate 20 pro my partner has and hates the camera. Lots of blurry photos too and he's on the latest firmware. Don't know about the P30 Pro though. I honestly think the Huawei Mate 20 pro camera is one of the worst because of Huawei's weird denoising and sharpening effect in low light or hdr scenes. But maybe they have fixed that on newer phones? Anyway, I'm looking into the Xperia 1 and it has a lot going for it compared to the competition and the camera samples on here looked pretty impressive, or so I thought.
[Sony Xperia 1 Real Life Review] marko68:
I have posted a couple of real photos...but you say nothing.

Anyway now I have the oppo Reno 10X zoom, and photos compared with Xperia 1 are astonishing!
[Sony Xperia 1 Real Life Review] swooc:
are there controlled camera tests/comparisons like the one on gsmarena for zoom and wide lens on phones? i'd also be interested to see a comparison at full digital zoom on the main lens to see the differences in what manufacturers are doing to their digital re-imaging.
[Sony Xperia 1 Real Life Review] WarVic:
Okay, I believe that Huawei P30 Pro is better than Xperia 1 or quite possibly anything else in smartphone world right now for several reasons. First of all - my personal experience with previous Huawei Mate / P series cameras as well as few Xperia Z / X series ones. Huawei delivered better quality photos since Mate 9 possibly due to Leica involvement. Can't remember any good shots coming out from Xperia flagship smartphones, sorry. Secondly, again collaboration with Leica seems make difference. Thirdly, Huawei's aspiration and strong accenting on camera improvements. Sony feels and looks like had never really bothered with it until now. Regarding Mate 20 Pro, I used to have it for 4 month and have mixed bag of feelings about it camera as well. I agree that is does aggressive noise reduction and sharpening in Night Mode but the result comes up quite . Definitely better than most competitors. Night photos made by Xperia 1 didn't impress me so far at all. They don't even have a dedicated night mode. Yes, I've clearly noticed the camera Mate 20 Pro inconsistency - focusing issues sometimes, some blurred areas on the photos time to time, wrong exposure sometimes too. But I've definitely got a descent amount of amazing shots from Mate 20 Pro which I'd unlikely would get from my Pixel 3 XL. I very liked a colour reproduction on it. And, of course, Zoom! 3-x, 5-x zoom is really impressive there. From numerous reviews and peoples feedbacks I see camera improvements on Huawei P30 Pro. Colour reproduction and level of details seems even better than before due to new sensor and improved post-processing algorithm. This time the main camera has got OS so it should help with blurry shots. I haven't got P30 Pro for myself due to missing some features in my $1k flagship list. For the same reason I'll skip Xperia 1 whatever good its camera will be. See no good reason for missing wireless charging, small battery for 4K screen, just 2x zoom etc.
[Sony Xperia 1 Real Life Review] xzpremium1976:
Huawei only pay score in dxomark And youtubers.

Xperia have night Mode

https://youtu.be/4we9e-iGZmI

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[Sony Xperia 1 Real Life Review] JP10101:
I'm sorry but I can't agree with that. The Huawei phones have versatility going for them but that is it. Pixel post processing is easily the best around for phones for still photos. I don't like Huawei's shady tricks of paying for DxOMark scores but them not delivering those said scores with their expensive devices. Granted, they aren't the only ones. DxOMark has shown its true colours and it's turned into more of a shady joke now. Huawei may have partnered with Leica but they don't for the most part get involved with the photography aspect. They are just licensing their name to bring in an audience. Also caught when the P9 was released. Let's face it, Huawei is a company you can't honestly trust. They have gotten where they are by funding from their government, cheap and unfair moves, not having to abide by patent laws when most other phone companies do, companies lose millions from lawsuits over patents normally, and they go around stealing others ideas and have been caught doing it with no consequence because of their patent free laws in China. And lie about photos taken with their own devices. Being caught buying stock photos to pass off as their own. Not to mention their software bastardises what Android is supposed to be. Instead of a cheap iOS knockoff lookalike. Also, the Sony xperia 1 photos compared even to the P30 pros nightmode in low light when I checked look clearer and better, more realistic. When I take a photo I want to see what it looked like. Not a Disneyfied lie. Consider me a realist. But there you go.
[Sony Xperia 1 Real Life Review] WarVic:
I didn't mention DxO Mobile before by the way. I can easily find a dozen or more reviews from reputable sources in the web praising Huawei photo quality since the release of P20 Pro at least. I don't think that Huawei is so reach :). And nearly everyone says about true to life colour rendition, tons of details etc. Yes, photos consistency is a problem but I can show many photos where Huawei did better job than Pixe 3 XL (which I own right now). Maybe Sony started deliver relatively good cameras since the release of Xperia XZ1, I don't know. What I do know is what experience I had with other Sony flagship smartphones, especially in camera department. The same year Galaxy devices or even LG were always better. Finally, I have nothing against Huawei. I don't care how honest they are, what they stole, from who and how often. They make great products appreciated by millions but Sony doesn't (in smartphone field). Facts talk to themselves. I might consider tho buy Xperia 1 after the price comes down to more realistic figures (to what it is really worth). But certainly I'll play with its cameras and re-sell it shortly. It won't be my daily driver for many reasons.
[Sony Xperia 1 Real Life Review] WarVic:
Listen, there is no anti-sony bias at all. I just can't understand the reasons of praising it in a smartphone world at least. And I clearly see your blind love to the brand and complete inability to take any critics.

First of all, Sony always was underdog in smartphone department and poor smartphone sales perfectly displays it. Yes, brand new and shiny Xperia 1 looks interesting BUT NOT for the money they are asking for it. I'm not talking about missing wireless charging (in 2019 in expensive high end phone with glass back, it's unacceptable), small battery for 4k screen , questionable aspect ratio...

Secondly, Triple camera setup is nothing new though, ignoring of using 48MP sensor is stupid, 2x Zoom is pathetic right now. Very different, quite polarized photo quality reviews clearly tells that the camera isn't good as expected. And yes, it is true that pretty much everyone on the planet really rates the Pixel. There are good reasons for that. Pixel photos look far better, have more details, better dynamic range, far superior naturally looking HDR and true to life colors at the same time, superior Night Mode, much better portraits than Xperia 1. I OWN Pixel 3 and I know and see the difference.

Galaxy S10 photos look also better than Xperia 1 whatever your arguments are. They really are better as I can see. Again, Samsung was always better in smartphone camera department. All you need to do to see it is get rid of anti-samsung approach and forget about your blind love to Sony.

Who needs manual tuning of any kind in Auto Mode apart from you? Auto means Auto, no exceptions. This mode was designed to be like this - quick shots with close to perfect result. No time for tuning.

Why do you think that Nitpicker (reviewer) doesn't like Bokeh? I believe that he doesn't like sh***y Bokehs came out from Xperia 1. And I found them like this as well.

I don't want Sony to fail with anything. But I see what I see and simply saying about it straight. It failed my expectations about Xperia 1 (and I'm pretty sure that Google's Pixel 4 won't!). The fact of seeing "people simply aren't very good at using it (Sony)" means unpolished, unbalanced, not optimized or just simply bad products from this company, nothing else. It's silly to blame people, not product itself.

Your bias is this: You know it's good because you use it, get used to it, turn a blind eye on obvious drawbacks and hate to hear someone's saying bad about your favorite brand. That makes you a fan.

I'm presenting other's opinions because my opinion coincides with them. I see and thing the same what they do. No bias or preference of particular brand over others for no good reasons.
[Sony Xperia 1 Real Life Review] xzpremium1976:
Haha Xperia 1 has better camera than the S10 especially in videos stop dreaming

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[Sony Xperia 1 Real Life Review] WarVic:
I didn't talk about making videos. I'm not interested in that part on the modern phones, sorry. So Sony can be better in shooting video.
[Sony Xperia 1 Real Life Review] iArvee:
Wow this thread blew up. Each phone has their advantages and disadvantages. Anyways, here's mine :D

First is edited, second is original.
[Sony Xperia 1 Real Life Review] Crazy_88_s:
Does the Xperia 1 not have the same main camera sensor as the OnePlus 7 Pro?
[Sony Xperia 1 Real Life Review] grizzlyspid86:
Nope.

Oneplus 7 - IMX 586

Xperia 1 - IMX 445

Technically, Oneplus got the better camera hardware minus the built in DRAM, while Sony got the better software but lacks Auto HDR on certain scene.
[Sony Xperia 1 Real Life Review] xzpremium1976:
445 imx is exclusive

586 is a comercial sensor

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[Sony Xperia 1 Real Life Review] grizzlyspid86:
To be honest, while u call it 'exclusive', its just like a IMX 362/363 on Pixel 2/3 (identical camera sensor & pixel size, Dual-Pixel) phone with DRAM added. Another bonus is Xperia 1 likely using Zeiss camera lens module.

IMX 586 (commercial) and IMX 600 (Huawei's exclusive) are superior on the hardware side (sensor & pixel size). If Sony uses it with their DRAM & Zeiss module it will be a lot better than their current Xperia 1 setup.

But I get it, its all about cost cutting for balancing the rest of the specs combined, especially its gorgeous 4k OLED display.
[Sony Xperia 1 Real Life Review] Onepunchbro:
Big tech youtubers and media publications need to call out Sony for not enabling HDR in auto mode and also in Portrait Mode

Now that Unbox Therapy, MKBHD etc soon going to get their hands on Xperia 1, I hope that they will call out loud Sony for camera software that is not optimized for 99% general populations.
[Sony Xperia 1 Real Life Review] blegs:
Hdr in manual not always good..i think the best way is sony learn to make software optimize like pixel for camera
[Sony Xperia 1 Real Life Review] Hildr:
For fews months, I tried P30Pro and Oppo reno for the telephoto (impressive, but Huawei's curved edge was uncomfortable for me and oppo reno was inconsistant software-wise). Nokia 9Pureview was nice, and half the price, but too much hassle, I didn't want to go again in a love/hate Relationship with my phone.

I Don't like Sony, and never expected to try the Xperia 1, I was thinking the P30Pro was uncomfortable because its narrowness and I didn't like the 19.5:9 ratio. So wtf with the 21/9 ratio. But reviews showed me slightly Noisy shots without oïl painting effect. After weeks of try, guess which one I'm keeping now? (and I'm still wondering why this form factor is good in my hands when I couldn't stand the P30Pro)

Here some unedited shots, auto mode:

yes, that's salt

I will not argue, there is perfectible thing with this camera, but at least, no washed oïl painting anymore! I know people that loved my mate 10 pro shot, for me it was just pure garbage, landscape daylight and people at night, they were always wrong with too much post process.

So, it's just a matter of taste, and I like this one =)
[Sony Xperia 1 Real Life Review] snake218:
[MENTION=8247999]Hildr[/MENTION] beautiful photos. And agree with you, coming from a XZ1 i like how they tuned down the over process aka oil paint. The phone make great photos, and without over saturated colors as other brand.
[Sony Xperia 1 Real Life Review] WarVic:
It seems the photos quality coming from Xperia 1 isn't really good. Definitely nothing to be loud and proud of as I suspected. No excitement and wow effect. Hence why this branch is dead now :).
[Sony Xperia 1 Real Life Review] snake218:
You can't stop posting troll post, don't you? It's a shame threads being ruined by stupid trolls.

Go play with your Samsung and stop giving "opinions" of a device you don't even own. Sony isn't dead just cause a random nobody says so.

I bet you are the same troll that caused another thread being closed. Hope the mods do something to prevent this happen again.
[Sony Xperia 1 Real Life Review] chesterr:
Whoa. I just love the filter you used. You can actually fool someone that it was taken with a SLR or mirrorless. Honestly I haven't been this happy with a Sony smartphone camera. This phone actually proves that they have the potential and they can improve.

What they really need to do is that fix the 4K stabilization, give proper HDR and a version of night vision. Oh yea bokeh mode as well.

If you notice you can actually see how the photo is being processed once the picture is taken, and sometimes phone does take multiple shots, specially when you use the telephoto.

Honestly I am so happy with this phone. So many people have asked me and told me that Xperia 1 is a cool looking device and photos coming out of it is really great.
[Sony Xperia 1 Real Life Review] WarVic:
No trolling here at all. What I've said above it just the fact, the truth. And the truth hurts as I can see:). Seriously, where are myriads beautiful Xperia 1 photos? And what about dozens highly positive reviews from respected sources saying that currently the Xperia 1 camera system makes the best photos coming out from a smartphone ever? Nothing really to say, right? Yes, Xperia 1 camera is the best ever made on Xperia phones. But that's it. Sure it has a potential but still a lot of work needs to be done. So, try harder Sony!
[Sony Xperia 1 Real Life Review] Hildr:
Do you use one?

Because you are looking for review and myriads of photo but the fact is more that, for myself don't really care about sharing photos.

Here are some samples, not really done to be good, more to try it:

Problem is before this phone I bought a phone that had dozens of "highly positive reviews from respected sources saying that currently the [Mate 10 pro] camera system makes the best photos coming out from a smartphone ever" with a myriad of shot on the internet, but since I didn't know where to look, I just lost my will to take any photo for 2 years because, people here on XDA forum will agree, the camera was really bad, daylight and low light. Only dawn and dusk where ok. Photo of people were just pure garbage, but hey, dozen of "highly positive reviews from respected sources saying that currently the [Mate 10 pro] camera system makes the best photos coming out from a smartphone ever"! Just go take a look at the camera forum of the mate 10 pro here to see what the so called respected source are Worth.

Anyway, GSMarena did say that Xperia 1 was one of the best low light camera out there and a really great contender for this year. But I don't really care about what they say, since they lost my trust with the mate 10 pro. (And yeah, I will talk a lot about this mate 10 pro, my first Android coming from Windows where I never had to check if the next phone camera will be better than the previous, because it was obvious, and then this huawei phone that had a worse camera than the mate 9, enjoy your $800!)
[Sony Xperia 1 Real Life Review] WarVic:
Okay, your photos are quite good I'd say. BUT no wow effect, sorry. Pretty sure that Pixel 3 or P30 Pro would do better job in all situations. I don't have Mate 9, 10 or 20 by the way. Just Pixel 3 XL and P30 in my pockets right now. Still prefer the first one. I considered to buy Xperia 1 when it was released but very contradictory reviews and people feedbacks, really bad Sony camera app, absence of wireless charging and other quirks tell me to wait Xperia 2. X1 is too rough and unpolished phone for ~$990. Not worth it.
[Sony Xperia 1 Real Life Review] Hildr:
Ho, I agree with you, I would never had bought the Xperia 1 At the 999€ price tag! But it was bundled with the good WH-1000XM3 and I was looking for the Bose C35 so around the 300€ for the latter. That made the phone at 700€ and it was ok for me (the sony headphone is slightly better than the Bose one).

Also yes, no WOW effect, I love it, no pimped colour, slightly grainy like a real camera. Well, I see Something, I take the photo, and it's the same on screen. There are enough filter apps and photo Editing softwares to add wow effect and pimp the photos afterward if needed.

I played with P30Pro for a Week. The photo are nice, and the zoom is really great. But I couldn't keep it in my hand, the curved screen + back were really not comfortable for me. So it was not possible for me to get this one. But it's true the camera settup on this phone is really great. I just wouldn't say the Xperia is worse, it is completely different, the huawei is all about no-noise post process where the sony is about noise reducing only without any wash post process (I admit on the P30pro I could take a person face in lowlight without blurring it completely like with the mate 10 pro, well done Huawei!).

If it was only camera wise, yes, I would have maybe kept the P30Pro since huawei did a great job correcting a lot of mistakes (for me) from the past, and the zoom is a nice addition when travelling. But a phone is not only camera. And while I liked a lot EMUI 9, I was surprised by the sony that feel more polished, but with less options. Also the screen. Curved screen distort image and create vertical rays of light, I can't stand it, it looks like a defect for me, but that's really a matter of taste, and a lot of people like it, so no judgement, just personnal taste here.
[Sony Xperia 1 Real Life Review] xzpremium1976:
Hiawei Only pay dxomark and youtubers for score P30:pro

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[Sony Xperia 1 Real Life Review] blegs:
If u want great camera just buy camera instead.

Theres more than camera whe u want to purchase a phone.

I buy this phone because i always commute, so i need to watch movie,listen a song. And soon.

And for me the camera not the greatest but enough for me.

If u want to see my pic u can see my ig adhi_depp.

My past phone samsunh s10,pixel 3,iphone xs max,mate 20 pro.

Just dont make a judge just by camera alone.

If u dont like the camera u can choose another.
[Sony Xperia 1 Real Life Review] snake218:
You don't get the point, your "truth" don't hurt, i don't care what you have to say. Is annoying people like you talking trash and filling a thread with your rants, we the owners of the phone are more than happy with it. Get a life and stop acting like a retarded child.

Reported. You are ruining and filling the thread with your anti Sony rants, the thread is made to we the owners share opinions, not to had to deal with stupids childs. Go play with your phones and post on those device forums and i repeat, nobody cares about your opinion.
[Sony Xperia 1 Real Life Review] xzpremium1976:
This camera is spectacular at night black sky comes out nothing polluted like the others and photos with little noise or burned

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