yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] lulzBoB:
Ok so basically I want to get this off my chest because this really bothers me and I strongly believe not all points will be accepted or seen as I do. Maybe some of you have heard of the "AOSiP experiment". If not read it here: https://xdaforums.com/redmi-note-5-pro/development/rom-aosp-pie-t3829052/page125 last post thread is locked.

So where do we start? I've been here around some time (even before I registered I lurked around). To the people saying xda is full of troll lately and back than it was way better. No it wasn't. Trolls and ret*rds have been around since xda started the only thing really changed is there are telegram groups for every thing (why tho?) where they troll and harass in real time. The only rule I found about xda is : the cheaper the phone the ****t*er the community. (this might be a point you don't agree on). I strive to improve the community because I am a part of it. I try to be helpful when needed point to already asked question and provide logs. And really I didn't mind fight the trolls.

But now I have to fight troll users AND troll "devs"? Troll "devs", lul never thought of using this phrase but boi here we are. I get it you are tired of all the pubg and give me SOT spammers. But why don't you just make a private telegram group for the devs? What hurts me of the most personally is that the "devs", to prove a point, said: "we gonna f*ck over our normal userbase who appreciate your works btw "(or atleast did). So because you got trolled, you trolled back. Only it missed the target. The trolls won and it's no victory to let a mod (not even akhil himself) post that ridiculously statement and close the thread so there won't be any discussion.

Also why didn't you make up a kernel? Why do you take the name of a dev who did nothing to you and drag him with you. Do you know what messages [MENTION=6751265]srfarias[/MENTION] is getting now because you thought: "lul lets take his kernel". Or does your own standards don't apply to yourself? "Trolling / harassment is bad as long as its against us? Trolling another dude is fine, as long as we don't know him?" Don't believe me? Read it here https://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=78978664&postcount=112

Don't get me worn the whole maintainer team of AOSIP did great work! But on a human level they are currently as low as it can get. I personally don't give a f*ck if they stay away because this kind of devs is what's I believe makes up a toxic community. (another controversial point I guess)

Yes this is mainly a rant and maybe I'm way to offended by the devs but I really have to take this of my chest.

Thank to all the devs working on android and not playing games with their user base. And sorry [MENTION=6751265]srfarias[/MENTION] for all the sh*t you are getting right now.

Have a nice day.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] alexmason90:
Sir what's going on?
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] a4zb6:
I find it a bit weird as well that they care so much about what a few people say. They completely forget about all the people who don't say anything because they have no issues at all...
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] antonioantuan:
Turning this theme around is trolling. Enough, please. Let's stop criticizing as users or developer and start all over again to bring out the best in us. The developers who only sporten their work and the users only our support and thanks. Enough please
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] giannis_mathiou:
Exactly that! I completely agree to all points... I bought the device 6 months back just because I saw huge development and I was completely happy with all the alternatives out there. J really liked akhils' work with Derp and never had an issue... Seeing the way now the device taking completely getting abandoned from most of the major projects going on, which also helped smaller projects to get a more polished work for our devices, just because some majority of users can't even follow the instructions of flashing or even understand what they are talking about most of the times is really disappointing.

There is always a better alternative to keep the true userbase "happy" with your work.

Everybody could easily not care about the troll's, just annouce in XDA - if they still wanted - keep a closed forum and just release personal work. Get their feedback through GitHub or any other issue tracking platform with strict bug report "protocol" and ignore all of those "members" who are unable to provide useful feedback. But, all we got now is that we got trolled by those who don't even care to try all the steps in order to provide useful feedback...

Anyways, I still appreciate the work done in Whyred and for me the best I have to do is to move to another device which potentially has a better community and devs that knows how to not care about the trolls. as most of the devs should know that 9/10 times the fault isn't in the code but in the user... Especially when we are talking about ROM/kernel performance in games for example. In telegram forum I even saw a user asking if it was possible to update his chipset form sd660 to sd845 through kernel update. Should we even care to explain to any user with this attitude? This type is not even making a research about what he is tweaking on his device and the potential damages he could get by those tweaks...
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] martinusbe:
i don't own this device, but someone linked me this post for some reason.

All i can say is, i have to agree on most points in the OP.

have a nice day all
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] psykkuno:
I am really Sad for this situation, I don't even own the device... but oof.... Good luck guys.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] Chefov01:
Using other devs name-for-a-project just to f'ck around/troll the users is as low as it gets.

Oh, here is my very unpopular opinion: I have had nothing but trouble with AOSiP(both oreo and pie builds). I thought it was only on my side, cuz everybody shared how good and awesome and perfect AOSiP was. Ugh, the brutal battery drains I had with AOSiP and Derp...

Holy sh't, when I read what happened yesterday, I thought I was in the wrong hecking forum and not XDA. I am glad that AOSiP is gone at this point.

Trolls should be punished, all of them, no matter who they are and what work they have done! If the main problem is trolling, make the whole forum closed behind a sub and stop whining about people being trolls. Where the f'ck have you lived until now?! On another planet? Tough luck, humans have been trolling since forever. People have been illiterate since forever. They don't care to learn, they just consume! But... When you're a dev and you're supposed to be smarter then the bunch of trolls, yet you fall on the trolls' level, you lost that one, hard!

Also, I remember srfarias from before. He has always done his best and I was surprised he started working on this device! He was never malicious! Keep it up, srfarias!
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] rocker00:
He's not in a ****, everyone here (only with brain) already knows what just happened, so it shouldn't be a problem at all, Srfarias isn't a well known (yet) on RN5 community since it was his first (and perfect) work, that's why he got attacked and to be fair that's normal and expected especially from this community, if he was a known here and developing ROMs for RN5 like the others i can imagine a totally different reaction from the same who attacked him, but since he's not known here (again, yet) then no problem, **** his rights and **** his time that he spent on this great kernel, no wonder, this is the nature of people.

Go to any ROM's topic now and see the begging, please dev don't leave us, you're the best dev, no such issue here don't report any issue you can hurt the dev, please continue your awesome work dev, will you continue this project dev?....etc.

God bless you Srfarias with this community and have fun (i doubt :D)
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] N1ck474:
Just a personal consideration: it's sad to see how a very restricted group of people can destroy a modding community.

I can agree with you but also with the devs.

Spammers, trolls, pubg extreme players, is that really important? I have no skills about building ROMs or kernels and i'll never try to do this but, why we can't just ignore this kind of people? Why all users need to lose a good ROM (i've installed AOSiP once, and i've loved it) for those spammers?

I really hope to see AOSiP team again here in our subforum, i haven't followed this question and this is just a personal thing, but it's nice to see people on this argument.

(Sorry for my english, i have no skills on languages too :D)
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] LeekGeek:
Totally man..these devs act so mature and stuff still do retarded stuff and blame the trolls (what was the whole point of telegram group?)

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I'm gonna give slow claps to the devs who did this experiment.

Good job you won.

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And when it comes to this case it's not the trolls who are spreading the cancer its the...you know who.

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SRF (the dev of pureCaf) is such a humble guy and these guys HAD to F him up.

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Anyways I'm glad that you (the ones that did this experiment) have stopped developing ?.

We have many humble and intelligent devs who dont do stupid stuff and blame it on trolls and don't ruin other devs life.

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Peace.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] Cirra92:
I would agree with OP on some points, including that the experiment in question was debatable because it "contained" someone's work and it had directly impacted him.

But on another note, the experiment of similar sort was desperately needed to prove a point, which many people seem to have missed.

It was not aimed at PureCAF dev and his kernel per se, it was aimed at Whyred users of different profiles who have couple of things in common - disrespect, 0 knowledge, impatience and just bad manners in summary. I have been pissed of numerous times here because I try to add something useful to disscussion and development in a way, to help other users and devs, and then comes the horde of 10 users after my post with the exact same question which I (or anyone else) have answered, not to mention that there were numerous idiotic feature requests and useless bug reports.

One thing you have to remember, the ones who have issues will always be more vocal than those who don't. We all give feedback in threads of course, but you don't suddenly jump in PM to say hey great work, everything works, keep it up, where as those badly mannered people will spam PM's if something doesn't get fixed or even their request doesn't get considered, and those people will turn to disrespect, which has been shown here frequently.

The experiment was just a tip of the iceberg, because this kind of harassment goes way way back, and with presence of Telegram as an instant messaging app, you as a known dev are fuc*ed up.

The placebo effect, which is a powerful thing sometimes, has once again proved how many clueless people are present in this forums, and how much they have an impact on community nowadays.

I have used AOSiP + Derp for a long time, and my device has performed great with that combo since June last year, but others had issues, and that's expected as although our devices are basically the same, not all electronic devices are created equal.

And have to add, I have previously used 3 flagship devices from Samsung (older ones) and Sony and no, the community there wasn't even close to this.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] coolfx89:
Nah..the point of the experiment is great, a lil bit controvery move but I agree with them.

But I don't like some part of their last statement that seems attacking purecaf dev, as far as I know srf never talk bad about them, It is some users and adi (bootlegger dev) who mock derp because rom devs change to purecaf, but once again afaik srf never do that.

In the end everyone react very poorly in this situation, looking for someone to blame in this situation is not a solution.

We (user and dev) must respect each other, mocking other dev is never good, even it is only a joke.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] alexmason90:
Sir i think derp kernel mad because everyone changing from him
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] Cirra92:
Nah, it was much more than that, it pre-dates even this situation with PureCAF.

Guys, you'll need to see the wider picture, PureCAF kernel was not the problem, it was just the last straw. The problem lies within the community, in the nagging users themselves and the pressure they have been putting on devs.

I was expecting something similiar, I'm even surprised that it took this long, however the handling of the situation could have been better, I admit.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] V4LKyR:
It's just some little kids fight, almost funny to watch actually. Ambitious and jealous people are like this, they have a tense nature.

Also, I don't believe XDA management is compotent enough. Even the website is using an outdated design and broken some parts.

Anyway, this was surely interesting to watch.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] domsch1988:
I've not read every single post, but none the less:

I've been with XDA since March of 2011. I lurked at least a year or so before that. I joined with my first smartphone ever, the HTC Desire. With every smartphone i've owned since, i was active in their respective forums. And from my personal (non scientific) feelings, the XDA community has been getting progressively "worse". I fondly remember the days where we spend days and weeks in threads talking about how to get android 4 to boot on hopefully outdated Hardware. Minor achievements where shared, several people where collectively working on something while having a nice and technical discussion. I loved coming here to hang out with the geeks and talk about the things i enjoy most.

But lately, i've just not bothered. It might be because it's my first Xiaomi, and the community is different from Samsung or HTC. I have not logged in in over 4 weeks and after coming back today i have not found a single thread that's actually usefull. Sure, Rom Releases are nice, but it feels a lot like Linux Distributions. All the same stuff with a different wallpaper and name on it. I won't **** on anyone actually putting his work out here. I highly appreciate that. But i feel the Gold Rush of Android development is done. And now here we are, complaining about what devs should and shouldn't do, and making the 100th thread about what rom has the best batterylife. I feel like most people that come here don't even care to do the bare minimum of research. That's frustrating. This used to be a place for people who enjoyed mobile devices and hacking on them as a hobby. Not a customer support forum for people not getting 20 hours of Screen on Time.

Yes, releasing a ROM with advertised changes you didn't make, and in the process using a devs name for work he didn't do is not a nice move. I can see where they are coming from and why they did what they did. It used to be a major offense against the devs to even ask for Features or ETAs. It was just not tolerated basically. We are basically doing open source development here. Want something done? Well bad luck. Do it yourself or wait for someone to do it. You are not paying anyone to do the work. Be greatfull for what our devs do and stop asking for more. If you want more, or faster, do it yourself.

I personally don't get anything of value out of XDA anymore. I've always been here to be part of the process. To be at the forefront of what's possible in mobile tech. I wanted experimental stuff and see things break for the sake of it. I enjoyed talking to devs about the process and getting insight into what's happening behind the scenes. I never came to XDA for the "best battery backup rom" out there. This is a community of interested people. Not a customer Support forum.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] rocker00:
[MENTION=3763534]domsch1988[/MENTION]

it's not your personal feelings, it's the true fact :)

I think all the old users here feel the same, I've learnt alooooooooot from this community and I'm really grateful to everyone I've got something from him but now everything is really weird!

And i really liked this "Rom Releases are nice, but it feels a lot like Linux Distributions. All the same stuff with a different wallpaper and name on it" , it's like we are in Olympics, tons of ROMS and sharing the same bugs and sometimes full of bugs like the earlier releases of every android pie ROM here once Pie was out, why everyone was in a hurry to give a full of bugs ROM? glory or first Pie ROM maybe? instead of squashing the bugs and giving 3 or 4 perfect ROMS every day a new ROM with the same ****, and it's not only that, half of the ROMS now have 3 versions, the official, the modded or unofficial one and the one on telegram (the new disaster on XDA) WTF? and 90% of the developers here are not responding to any inquiries, yeah, i can clearly notice that.

Why they aren't working together and give their best instead of this mess if they really want to serve this community? I've seen many users here complain that they are confused and don't know which is better or with less bugs or will get regular updates.....etc.

About (the majority) on this community i think there's no need to talk since i really get bored and nothing will ever change here, sad but true.

And finally a new dev came here and gave us a prefect kernel and now he is involved without making any mistake, his crime is that he refused to see his work is being used from the others and without even asking or mentioning him, LOL!

Everything is getting worse here, and unfortunately from all not only the users.

Btw, Thanks for this post :good:
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] Gandhi70:
One quick reply: the general decline in the community is not specific for XDA, it is a general phenomena concerning the internet. In the beginning mostly the geeks and nerds used the internet. Now everyone is literally always online. Of course this includes all the idiots and a...holes, too.

And because most people think that nobody knows who they are while posting on the internet, civility went down the drain, too.

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[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] giannis_mathiou:
Since we are in a general talk topic I just want to say that this is the best and the KISS explanation ever given in forum. This really small paragraph you wrote can easily explain on it's own what happened to all technical communities!!!
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] rocker00:
Another true fact, and what is even worse, it's not just XDA or the internet, no, everything is going down now in this life :)
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] domsch1988:
I can whole heartedly agree with this.

But i WON'T accept that it stays that way. The Internet in it's current state is what we have. We will be "stuck" with it for a long, long time. So i say we better start fixing this. This will involve a combined effort of users and companies though. A truely hope, that platforms like youtube, twitter, reddit and even boards like XDA start requiring a personal identification with an account. This limits bots, and does stand in the way of throw away accounts. People are then 100% identifiably connected with their actions online. This is a major step towards bringing back a more civilized discussion. It doesn't have to have privacy implications either. All you'd need is your real name. If you aren't comfortable with linking your real name to your actions online, you'll find a forum elsewhere.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] altera011:
More like it's better to add an examination for users to register. There are too many wannabe and idiots on XDA.

One idiot says "why is the update so slow" when you don't even pay for the ****. The devs literally get nothing from this except for fame and experience.

This is the 2nd time I went to XDA because most of my phones doesn't even have a place on XDA. My HTC One M7 is the first and the community is just fine. My other phones were budget phone Lenovo so I go to 4PDA or any random site where they post ROMs and discuss about things. It was fine and it was fun changing ROMs.

I am disappointed to see XDA now as a cancerous community where subpar devs and leechers complain about everything.

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Also just look at MIUI Forums, look at how **** that community is.
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] lvnatic:
I don't know what happened but aosip was always a great ROM for me, even since Oreo. I hope the project wasn't canceled?
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] MikiGry:
Generally no. For Whyred - yes
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] 1manshow:
Another good rom after MCAOSP died untimely death. What ROM should I switch to now which isn't going to die soon?
[Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro Guides, News, & Discussion] peter-k:
I did never have any issues with Aosip or Derp. I was taken by surprise when I read the harsh posts by the AOSIP maintainers and XDA Mods.

I agree with all the main point of the OP. These things did not happen here on XDA, they should not be carried into XDA. I feel this had not been managed well.

Please consider removing the final post of the moderators, which are inappropriate to impertinent. Or remove the entire threads. As well please consider restoring the PureCaf developers thread and reputation.