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[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] Sliksta:
Not sure if my case made a difference. But ran a full 3dmark test to get the phone nice and hot. Also had Wireless on and downloading files. Volume was also 75% Here's what i noticed:

-It got gradually warmer but never uncomfortably hot.

-It got warmer toward the top half of the phone and around the camera's first.

-The bottom half of the phone stayed relatively cool and did not start to get warm until the end of the test.

-Overall the heat appears to radiate out of the upper half of the phone around the cameras more than the bottom half.

After two back to back 3dmarks, the phone was getting pretty warm, but by no means uncomfortable--if say it was laying on your bare leg or stomach.

The case i used is the Cruzerlite. You can find it on Amazon under: 'Cruzerlite Nokia 9 PureView Case, Cruzerlite Carbon Fiber Shock Absorption Slim Case for Nokia 9 PureView (Black)'

I gave its heat dissipation 4.3 stars.

My 3d mark score was 4582/4258; Sling shot Extreme Open GL/Vulkan
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] exzist78:
Has anyone figured this out that is willing to share the info?

Thanks in advance to all the great minds here,

Oh....and i have searched, many times, both here and the entire web...so, if it is here i deserve the flamming!!

Has no figured this out, or is no one willing to share?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] gmfeny:
bump........
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] cardriver:
you need to try this...or ask him to add some sites...

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=427702
[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] XDA_RealLifeReview:
At the club, at the bar, or just in your mom's basement, nighttime is when you come out to play. Rate this thread to express how the Nokia 9 PureView's camera performs when no or low light is present. A higher rating indicates that the camera sensor "sees" lots of light in dim conditions, and that the resulting photos have minimal noise. A higher rating also indicates that when the flash fires, the resulting photo is evenly-lit without any bright spots.

Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] phunkyp:
This is the area that I most confused about. They say that it lets 10x more light in than other phones, but the low light is not better than my Pixel 2 without Night Sight, let alone when I turn Night Sight on. It gets good results if you can do a longer exposure but in very low light to no light, this phone is not performing well for me.
[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] alinefx:
Yup it couldn't beat an iPhone XS Max with just point and click. Might actually return this one. Darker grainier image is the Nokia. Lumia 1020 beats this one. Sorry.
[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] kaiseryeahhh:
And does it have night mode?
[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] AndroidMilos:
I agree. Basically lo light is rubbish.
[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] AntonyW999:
If that's the best it can do in low light, I'm cancelling my pre-order.
[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] Harfainx:
Looking at photos, honestly it looks like the extra cameras are only used in raw shots. I think it's a really bad decision for that, but that's how it appears to me.

See the screenshots attached. Darker image is 'point and shoot'. Brighter image is raw of the same shot.

Edit for Google Drive link. DNG and original JPG are in there. Screenshots of both as well, in case you don't want it check the DNG file.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=1-3ocYSlKpKW1gqi_ybGJOw1hEGo2jf0C
[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] kaiseryeahhh:
I don't think that's the case, the 5 cameras are always used.
[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] Harfainx:
I think they're supposed to always be used, but based on low light performance, I strongly doubt that they are.
[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] alinefx:
I was only interested in this phone for the camera. To see a 2 Lens iOS device beat this one is atrocious. A lumia 1020 till this day gives you thrills for the photos it takes.

Look at this picture of a cat taken in a lit room, the one with a warmer tone (first pic) is the one with the XS and is closer to how the room looks in real life. Both pics taken with flash.

This is going back. What a waste. Will wait for the Xperia 1.

Nokia, step up your game.
[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] kevle:
as some review have said, N9 is not really flattering for PnS without retouching, have you tried lightroom to get to the same color mood? Then try to compare, because the details in the cat's fur is good, but it needs to be retouched
[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] bk227865:
First , your shooting with flash. Since it are 2 different phones your shooting with 2 different flashes, so your actually comparing the flash here. Shooting with different lighting (flash) makes it difficult to compare the images.

From what i can see in the cat pictures : the Nokia's flash is much brighter : look at the reflection on the rear wall, and the cat is brighter illuminated, on the XS photo the backlights are to bright and close to the cat for my taste , they give me a "get that light out of my face" feeling .

In this case it destroys the mood a bit , in other cases it wil be usefull if the subject is a bit farther away.

Also if you have auto whitebalance set to on then it should compensate for the yellow lights in the room and return a picture more adjusted to white light , so +1 for the nokia if that was the case.
[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] alinefx:
Here's a sample comparison without flash.

I understand that with lightroom, and time spent, that one can probably get truly great photos out of this camera. But on the other hand, unlike the 1020, the pics out of the box are just meh. So in this case, its a good thing they made this a limited run, because most people will not go for this phone anyway. Also, they should have made it at least a 6.5 inch phone. The display is too small to truly appreciate the photos this thing can eventually take. The lag time for processing is excessive as one cannot edit a photo with a depth map unless one waits atleast 5-10 seconds.

Needless to say, the one that's darker is the Nokia.
[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] kevle:
to my eye, the iPhone one is more pleasing to the eye at first sight, due to the warm color balance and slightly upped saturation.

but if you look at the N9 one, the details and color of the cat fur is better preserved, as are the sharpness of the background, but maybe that's due to wrong focus.

So, if you want photos that looks good at first sight, go for iphone, but if you prefer details and dont mind doing post processing, keep the N9

Personally i post process everything i post anyway, so i prefer the N9
[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] bk227865:
you might have a point there.

The multiple lenses and the ability to do post related work like blurring ect ... probably indicate that this is not really the best value for your money if your only going to do "point click and send" type of stuff.
[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] Jaripi:
Do you try to say that yellow photo is better ? - it is clearly worse one.
[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] mudnightoil:
The iphone image is objectively much worse. Much less detail, much more noise, much lower dynamic range. Colour balance can be changed easily in LR (which is on the phone).

However, something definitely does appear to be amiss with low light images. They should be far, far better than they are if they're really stacking images / data from all 5 sensors. The XS Max is far worse than Samsung or Huawei's latest offerings, or the product of GCam in low light.
[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] MoseMan:
I'm pleased with most of the pictures posted in this discussion because of the amount of information captured and the balanced exposure. I agree that they aren't always as immediately appealing as other phones which step in to tinker with the images. But at the same time I appreciate the potential gains from having your images available in this format.

Having the option of automated processing would be nice for when you don't have time to play around in Lightroom. And they may do this through software. But seeing as they have already stated that their target audience is camera enthusiasts then they might leave it alone.
[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] bk227865:
I own a P20 Pro , and while the night mode is a nice gimmick it's nothing more than that.

I much rather have the quality of the images under normal light that this nokia produces. And not the over processed jpg's and the unusable raw files that i get from my P20 Pro. Nightmode or not.
[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] Terhti:
Very good when using Raw.
[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] XDA_RealLifeReview:
Say "cheese", then rate this thread to express how photos taken with the Nokia 9 PureView come out. A higher rating indicates that photos offer rich color (without over-saturating), sharp detail (with all subjects in-focus), and appropriate exposure (with even lighting).

Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] lsmith1981:
I've been using the light L16 for a long while. I assume it would work the same. Images on the Pure View may render a bit slow "on device" , since it dosent have to be exported into lights Lumen software. I'll see once mines arrives though.
[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] Harfainx:
Yes, with all the sensor data on it does take a while to merge all the image data. The amount of time varies based on the scene and detail.
[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] lsmith1981:
It's instant surprisingly, their software team has done a excellent job on that part. Even though it uses the SD820 and their custom ASIC together, everything works just fine. I'm sure with the SD845 and the ASIC chip, things would work much better on that device.

https://light.co/technology
[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] Harfainx:
I meant it takes a while on the Nokia 9 Pureview. I've had everywhere from about 4 seconds, up to 25ish seconds to process a photo.
[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] bo6o:
As I'm eager to get my hands on this device mainly for the capabilities of the camera, is it possible for some of the lucky early owners to share a few RAW files.

At least two people here have it, and we don't have one real-life sample to check out.

I really can't believe there are no real and meaningful reviews for this phone...
[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] alinefx:
here is a sample
[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] phunkyp:
Here's three in a wetransfer link. Too big to post DNGs on here. These have quite a bit of good depth data and were fun to edit. Didn't share my edits in this grouping though.

https://we.tl/b-AHQfp0iCcp
[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] bo6o:
Thanks man, can I reuse the link and/or unedited exported with LR images on other forums, to shutdown some huawei fans :)
[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] stefanve:
I'm amazed by the details, it is really good. Could you share some b/w dng's please? Huawei mate 9 with only one bw sensor took amazing shots , so I'm really curious at what the Nokia 9 can do
[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] mesicm:
More dng samples please

Guys, can you please post more dng samples? outdoors for base iso, indoors for high iso? When I developed the dngs posted here, they are all quite great actually, even at iso 1600. That's the flowers shot. The same flower shot in jpg is quite oversharpened and noisy, with ugly artefacts, dark shadows and blown out highlights that are not present in the jpg. The subway shot is iso 1400, basically noise free. The doughnut shot is iso 208 and man, it is absolutely amazing in terms of both detail and noise. I think the bad quality you see in jpgs is simply bad processing by the nokia camera app. I think that this hardware is capable of great photos. Wondering if SNAP camera HDR app would work on this. Thanks!
[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] stefanve:
I will try to add some tomorrow. Did some compare shots with the xz3 and a rx100 vi

https://we.tl/t-N9cRshSrlb

If people are interested I can do a bit more in depth comparison
[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] nurps:
I think the shadow recovery is amazing, almost no noise increase, and this on a phone.

1st photo supplied by [MENTION=534820]phunkyp[/MENTION] , increased the brightness of the dark background in a raw editor.

But i think the general sharpness isn't the best compared with well lit single sensor photos, what do you think? For example in the samples of [MENTION=261530]stefanve[/MENTION] those details in the trees just look strange somehow. But there is definatly a lot to play with in the editor (2nd photo by him). Yes its a bit much. :D
[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] stefanve:
Here are a couple of extra test shots. 3 files per scene. DNG, JPG from the default camera app and one from the LR camera. The LR shot should be using only one of the 5 camera's so we can see the difference between one vs 5 camera's

https://we.tl/t-deZimhn8Sz

Personally I don't think that the camera has on point focus (maybe that is why they use very aggressive sharpening in de jpegs) but overall I think it is really good for a phone, lots of detail and light. This is one of the view phones (that I used) that gives me usable photo's the other one being the Lumia 950 XL and the Mate 9 (but only in b&w)
[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] nurps:
Is Lightroom not capable to get raw from the Nokia cam? That would be interesting to compare, Lightroom single Cam dng vs Lightroom HDR dng vs Nokia 5 cam dng.
[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] stefanve:
No sadly , it is not possible to save the raw data with de LR camera app.
[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] Sliksta:
edit wrong post.
[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] toniusco:
Here are some pictures with Nokia 9. All photos was taken with Auto mode and someone with bokeh or monochrome with raw. I'm not a professional of photography

https://photos.app.goo.gl/56KAUxN8mWk78qfL6

Enviado desde mi MI 5s mediante Tapatalk
[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] glazenwassertjuh:
I took a few pictures and I am not a professional photographer either, but hope it will help you. Nice weekend

https://photos.app.goo.gl/kgqrWZcYMxRYKGxm9

I will be free from work tomorrow. Then I go outside with the children and take pictures with this phone. I will then place them in the same folder.
[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] AntonyW999:
Love the monochrome mode.
[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] XDA_RealLifeReview:
Your friends are never going to believe what you did. The only way to prove it to them is with that video you took. Rate this thread to express how videos shot on the Nokia 9 PureView come out. A higher rating indicates that videos are smooth (and not choppy) and that auto-focus works very well, and that the camera adjusts quickly to different lighting conditions while recording.

Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] XDA_RealLifeReview:
You're beautiful and everyone knows it. That's why you take selfies. Rate this thread to express how the front-facing camera of the Nokia 9 PureView performs. A higher rating indicates that the front camera produces fantastic results consistently.

Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] XDA_RealLifeReview:
There! Something just happened! Did you take a picture of it? Rate this thread to express how fast the Nokia 9 PureView can go from "zero to picture". A higher rating indicates that launching the camera app and taking a photo is extremely fast such that you never miss an important moment, like when your cat attacks the couch again.

Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] Signor Rossi:
I'm really interested into the shooting performance.

So any "final version" user please let us know how big the delay is between shoots when shooting a series of Photos.

Let's hope it's minimal!

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[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] Itaintrite:
From what I've read, the shots are processed in the background and there isn't any delay in taking the next shot. I'm curious about the buffer tho.
[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] Signor Rossi:
Read this too the other day. Let's hope the buffer is large enough to cover 4-5 shoots.

I guess processing will take 4 - 8 seconds per picture. This would not surprise me.

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[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] Harfainx:
The processing time differs based on the scene, and which settings are active. I've had some outside shots take between 15-20 seconds to process, and photos with less detail involved only take 3-5 seconds.

With everything active, there's about a half-second delay between shots. Even if you keep tapping the button, it won't take another shot immediately. I haven't noticed any limit on total number able to be processed at once though. I think the most I had at once was 11.
[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] Signor Rossi:
Thanks for the feedback. Am I guessing correct that this was on a pre series model?

Half a second delay is acceptable, I guess that's normal.

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[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] Harfainx:
Not sure what you mean by 'pre series'. I've had mine since March 1. It's the retail version.
[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] Signor Rossi:
Ok, thought you got your hands on a version given to press or testers.

Thanks for clarification

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[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] saddler2kx:
So, I’ve purchased the Nokia 9 from and downloaded a compatible pixel 3 camera mod… Question, do all five-camera work as one on third party camera applications as well, night scape using five camera lenses awesome.
[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] Harfainx:
I can't answer for sure, but I highly doubt it. I think the app has been customized to use all 5 together and stitch the image together when all the settings are enabled. Since you can disable the extra stuff, I imagine it would only use the main 2 cameras when using a third party app. Seems like it's software controlled.
[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] saddler2kx:
Then that is good in my view because I can use the Nokia camera app to access all five cameras for pro photos and GCAM using the 2 RGB cameras for great point – shoot photos (like pixel 3 xl)
[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] Signor Rossi:
Could also be, that you are using just one Camera.

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[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] Signor Rossi:
HMD seem to have released an Camera Update to improve Camera Speed.

Any feedback?

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[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] Harfainx:
I'll be checking it out tonight. Been stuck at work all day
[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] phunkyp:
Can you share the link to the APK of the pixel camera mod you are using? Haven't been able to run one that doesn't force quit every time.
[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] saddler2kx:
Got the working apk from Nokia Power User

https://nokiapoweruser.com/google-camera-apk-download-for-nokia-smartphones/

Direct Link To One I'm using

https://www.mediafire.com/file/ny6ulpiqih18ulg/Nokia_8.1_fully_working.apk/file
[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] Sliksta:
I believe the long processing for the photos is a Nokia app bug, because i was able to find a workaround. This issue appeared on my Microsoft nokia as well. The work around i found to get them processed immediately is after you take your pictures, create a new text message or send yourself a text message, and add the pictures you just took to the text message. You dont have to send the text message and you dont have to add them all, just one that is processing. then you can go back in photos and it will be done processing.
[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] Signor Rossi:
So any improvement?

I'm unsure if I should buy it

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[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] Harfainx:
No, the speed didn't get any better than before (maybe slightly, but not enough to really care/notice). They're supposed to be releasing another update soon. Honestly though, I doubt there's too much they can do about the picture processing time. With all the work going on in the background, I don't think they'll be able to speed it up much.

One thing I do hope they address though is the killing of background apps. If you take a picture with all the data turned on (RAW, depth, etc...), it seems to kill most background apps to free up space to process. That seems like overkill to me. Maybe free up a little space, but it seems overly aggressive.
[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] Signor Rossi:
Bummer, well I will wait a bit till its fully available here and test it at MediaMarkt.

I was really hoping for a flagship AndroidOne. But an unusable FP and a crapy Cam isn't worth the price.

Sadly there are zero alternatives....

Thanks for your feedback thought

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[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] josuema:
I think there is not a problem. When you take a lot of pictures on the pixel 2 it takes a while to process too. And it's just one camera. When you take 3 or 4 portraits on the pixel it takes a while too.

You can easily take 5 to 8 pictures on the Nokia 9 before it start to slow down due to background processing, but we are talking about 5 cameras here.

Taking normal photos it doesn't take much time. But if you do bokeh it will take 5 to 15 seconds in my experience. With raw turned off is even faster.

It's bearable Unless you are the kind of person that need the photo instantly.
[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] Signor Rossi:
Thanks again. I'll do some tests and see.

Fingers crossed its not as bad as the Media describes it.

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[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] Harfainx:
^ This

The assumption is that you're probably doing some basic editing on most of your pictures anyway, so a bit of a delay before they're ready to go shouldn't be an issue. If you need to take a picture and share it immediately, this isn't the phone for you. If you have a minute or two, it's not a problem.

Honestly I take most shots a few seconds apart, and most I don't really review until I get finished with whatever I'm doing anyway. By then everything is processed and I can either do some minor adjustments in Photos/Lightroom, or delete the bad ones.

It's not. Some media outlets have praised the camera for the amount of detail it captures. Most however just want to whine about how there's a delay in processing the image. :rolleyes:
[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] Signor Rossi:
:)

It's not about editing (I guess, So far I never had to think about it). It's about taking 3 - 5 shoots and then looking at them to see if they are OK.

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[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] josuema:
About that... The photos from full auto mode are instantly ready. You just have to wait the processing time for the pro and bokeh photos.

The quality from full auto are worst in poor light conditions. The pro mode is the real deal in this camera, but you will have to wait for it to process.

Wait a little more if you want depth info and a little more if you want raw.

Here some photos in poor light conditions and indoor contitions in auto and pro (full auto) mode.

You can notice that the auto mode photos in 100% crop are worse in letter and edge definition. The wood grain are totally blend.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/GTzEnUPsWu8Gu96f7
[Nokia 9 PureView Real Life Review] Signor Rossi:
Thanks for this. Interestingly, for the 2 kitchen shoots the 2nd picture is the best and for the living room I like the first.

Still both pictures are acceptable to me. I use my DSLR when aiming for professional photography.

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