yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Rayan:
It's clear to me that HTC is not understanding the problem here.

It's not the Video (as in movie) playback what's wrong. It's the video performance (or lack of) as in video refresh rates (due to lack of video drivers) on the entire OS what's wrong!

That obviously affects everything... All the experience!

Come on HTC, don't give stupid excuses... You know the HTC Magician vs HTC Kaiser performance comparison youtube video. It clearly exposes the problem.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] bengalih:
You mean by extending support for it and releasing a new Service Pack?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] daniel_rh:
I think TyTN has no salvation in performance, graphic hardware is just too laggy, specially when I see my HTC Touch performing better in almost every aspect compared to my TyTN, and even with a new OS release the lack of driver at this point shows no light in the end of the tunnel, new HTC phones are being announced and the old ones are just that, the old ones.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Rayan:
I totally agree with you.... I'm really waiting for the Velocity Mobile 103 and 111 to come out!!!! I will jump HTC ship with those!!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] ericmcintire:
Anyone that could contribute to the drivers issue please check out this post http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=395337

and get a hold of aonanodad, he seems to know his stuff and might be able to help if we get him caught up with where we are at now...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] NeoS:
good work guys! I'l try some on my Polaris :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] xginx:
Bug

............................oups............
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] johnhale:
Ooops
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] McHale:
my bad... - it was an old one

-Mc
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Electronic Punk:
Hmm, can't tell if you are kidding but optimistic :)

Running the 3.08 Vodafone ROM at the moment so looking forward to the changes.

edit: ah thats not really recent compared to some of the cooked builds we have seen around the place.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] raymondu999:
will they actually just OPTIMISE the chip to be more able to accelerate our graphics capability, or will we actually get full-blown graphics drivers that will ultimately make our Kaisers the perfect device? (save for VGA and the ability to type single-handedly)

And is it too much too ask to put the new HTC Manila interface from the Touch Diamond into our TyTN IIs? (I know the answer is yes, but it's just wishful/hopeful rhetoric)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] XtreMe_G:
isnt that more like a few months ago?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] neilson:
I heard that the full blown drivers for the TyTN II is a GO. If in fact that proves to be the case, then I want to see the good ppl of xda-developers and PPCGeeks work to rip those drivers out and then Custom ROM it up for all HTC owners with MSM7200 and MSM7500 chipsets.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] slovoflud:
where did you "hear" the info from?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] neilson:
http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=2183808&postcount=1673
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] slovoflud:
can't believe it! After all this time! Wow! Can't wait....

is there a .CAB that makes time go by faster?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] SouthernLuke:
I kinda would like to see that. :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] eskostar:
People should really not be that optimistic, we've had enough false rumors and failed expectations to realize that wishing doesn't cut it.

Not saying people are lieing, but saying that HTC did this or that without actual proof is nothing new in here and we should just wait to see what happens, if that special report tomorrow is real or once again, not.

I hope I choke on my words and things really do get released :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] McHale:
um....

yup. My goof. Corrected.

"The name is DU-MASS"

-Mc
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Quentin-:
Mmmm

Now there's a good reason to cook a new ROM...hope it actually comes out and is as good as we all hope it will be.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] adewidt:
Today HTC Benelux had a press event for the new HTC Daimond. I was at this press event.

I asked them about the TytnII graphic drivers.

The TytnII is the first device to receive a free upgrade to WM6.1.

The update will resolve most problems and will boost the graphics.

They did not say they bought driver licenses.

I can not confirm they activate the Ati chip or it is an improved directdraw driver.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] sherpa:
Just remember the pre-release speculations of TyTN II/Tilt/Kaiser/Whatever! We had so many reputable websites that claimed the release dates including msmobiles that turned out to be false! Like few others said, I won't believe it until I see it.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Mikulec:
any ETA on the rom release?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] herg62123:
the att 3.51.502.0 rom has direct draw in it. i don't see much difference but if you look in windows folder it shows d3dm.dll and h263.dll listed. could this be the so called update we are looking for?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] neilson:
RIP IT!!!!!

For the love of (insert higher deity), please somebody rip those files and cook up some extra juicy and crispy ROMs for all MSM7200 and MSM7500 HTC devices!

This is an APB.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] DarkCloudInc:
I'm certainly optimistic about this. Perhaps it'll come in time for mother's day lol
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Dust2Dust:
damn do I second this!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] coolVariable:
Haha.

and fanboys get fooled ... YED AGAIN!

They will release a WM6.1 update with not driver improvements ... the press will eat it up as "they care about their customers" and all HTC device owners will get screwed.

We have seen the inofficial WM6.1 builds floating around. Not a single one of them has improved graphics.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Electronic Punk:
So you are saying that the builds HTC hasn't worked on don't have improvements made by HTC in?

OMG!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] NuShrike:
Yup.

Unless there's a ddi.dll that uses ahi2dati.dll like the LG KS20 or the iMate 9502, it's all just more wagging the dog by HTC. Buy into that crap all you like.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] GSLEON3:
Ahhh, where have you been? Just about every chef is already using these in the most recent 6.1 roms.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] JimmyMcGee:
He only is ever let out of the ward ever 6 months for 2 days. :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] jakirkla:
there are several ROMS on this board with the improved DirectDraw performance...go ahead, feel free to try them out too. I've been impressed with the performance gains
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] daedric:
We'll just have to wait.... although i'm afraid it will be like...

"wait and bleed..."
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] stuff:
htc is annoying me
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] ekw:
woooot cant wait <3
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] NguyenHuu:
u should be more annoyed at those that are spreading the 'rumors' n fueling the fire.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] jug6ernaut:
how can they improve the graphics driver when there is not driver to improve upon? Unless there talking about the one that uses the cpu....which in case if that is true there will be VERY little if any performance improvement to be expected.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Isaygarcia:
Source one: allaboutphones.com (Dutch Website)

A source close to All About Phones and close to HTC has indicated that HTC shortly with a ROM will come in which drivers sit on the hardware support.

Our source is one and the same as those of our Route 66 Mobile 8 scoop and money so as very reliable.According to the source will HTC at the end of this month with a ROM update, covering the drivers for the Qualcomm chips. He claims that the HTC license has surrendered to the Qualcomm MSM7200 and it finally can fully support. Through a ROM update the drivers will be installed and it needs the device works smoothly.

It is not yet known whether HTC also for the the other devices a ROM update will spend with the drivers.

http://www.allaboutphones.nl/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2585#p15207
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] mchapman007:
So will this new (rumored) ROM update be part of the WM6.1 update?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] fone_fanatic:
Why's everyone saying drivers when HTC clearly stated in an interview that it WILL NOT be a driver but a "hot fix"..
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Isaygarcia:
if you speak dutch Read This

:)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] westsider_gw:
This MIGHT possibly be a driver fix, but I doubt it... HTC has really had some major fail since the start of the Qualcomm 7200 use, I've lost all faith in them :(

Lets hope for the best...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Scrog:
can't speak dutch, what about if i can read it?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] JimmyMcGee:
I can read it too... But can you understand it? :p
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] SoberGuy:
For us noobs, what is the difference? I (mostly) understand drivers. What is a hot fix?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] the_passenger:
think of it this way, full driver acceleration, 100%, a work around/fix will be 10-15%.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Mike1963:
read post 71
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] thenek1234:
Very exciting if anything is ever released.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] peto01:
ha

i dont trust htc, because they are suckers
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Imperium:
IF its true:

Why didnt HTC make an announcement on their site? i suppose that this is quite important news isnt it?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] duswdav:
yah i wouldn't know what to think if i didn't have to wait five seconds for the screen to rotate whenever i wanted to use the keyboard...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] FloatingFatMan:
I think you have that the wrong way round. WE are the suckers here, for believing HTC last time.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] fooar:
In any case, they continue to correct problems in my htc club

5/8/2008

Hot fix for system hang resulting from Bluetooth usage when memory is low.

Using Bluetooth when your device is low on available memory (below 10 MB), such as while running several programs at the same time, may cause your device to hang. Please download this hot fix to resolve and prevent this problem.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] fritsypeij:
Because they probably don't want to advertise this kind of information to potential buyers of future products (post msm7*00) who didn't know that the problem actually exists. I HTC would, those potential buyers might also loose their faith in HTC.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] roos_t:
I'm a little sceptical about this... but still I hope it's true. ... what if it's not? : ( then this will reaaaally piss me off
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Billun:
Any news of a official pressrelease?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] edbutler:
You know when all is said and done!!!

If I had the gift of hindsight and could turn back the clock to the time I pulled the simm out of my 8525 to insert it into the Tilt. I would still have bought the Tilt. Aside from the Video problem which is minute compared to what this device give me, I would have still bought it. I was happy with the 8525 but couldn't wait for a unit with built in GPS, an now I have, all this under one roof. The Tytn II/Tilt or what ever your carrier calls it, is the best phone on the market with out challange. Have you seen the Plasma and LCD TV's on the the market getting smaller, no their getting bigger because we like to watch movies on giant screens. Your complaining because you can't enjoy a movie on a 2 inch screen. GROW the **** up! IF their was no problem with the Video drivers you would complain about wanting a VGA instead of Qvga screen , then if they gave you VGA you would wine about only having enough battery power to watch 1 movie and if they fixed that you would want the device to come in your choice of colors.. I am happy that I have a Tilt I use it for work , home and in every fasit of my life. It is a real time savor. SO if they can make it better great if I have to live with it the way it is now , I am Happy with that as well. the fact is if I lost my Tilt the first thing I would do is buy another one. So for all you people that aren't happy with your phone sorry but I have a feeling you are not easy to please.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] greenbrd:
Maybe they implemented some improvements for the new phones that are coming out and decided to offer an update for existing customers just to shut us up. So they didn't really do it for us - they did it to avoid future Drivergate-type debacles with their new products.

But if we see some benefits from it, I don't care what their true motives were.

If the rumor is true, that is.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] p51d007:
Same here. I love my tilt. I didn't buy it to play videos. Hell, at my age, that tiny screen wouldn't be much good for me to watch a video anyway LOL.

Other than the lag for the screen, when you open the keyboard, I LOVE this

thing! GPS, which I use once-twice a week, wi-fi which I use daily, email,

camera (now with the update works MUCH better), the pocket office applications that I use daily, it's a pretty kick as phone/PDA. Size doesn't bother me, since I have been use to carrying a PDA for almost 10 years.

If I lost/broke it, I'd run out and get another one.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] SoberGuy:
The way to avoid future debacles is to have future devices working properly. Providing some patch or fix for current devices does not effect future devices, particularly ones that are ready to be showcased and ready for mass production.

If anything, a fix at this point in time would actually, IMO, hurt future sales. Why fix current phones, when you can push sales of a newly announced phone that does not have the current problem? I'm sure that, without a driver fix, there is a good portion of Tytn II owners that will purchase the Diamond, strictly because of the better video performance. Of those, there are a decent chunk that would be willing to pass on the Diamond, or at least delay a purchase, should the Tytn II receive a driver fix or hot patch.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] greenbrd:
Well, *if* the rumor is true, then they are avoiding future debacles by making the new devices work properly from the get-go.

And it's not like they're going to run full-page ads in the Wall St. Journal announcing that they're fixing a past screwup by providing updates to Kaiser owners - they'll do it below the radar. Those of us who know what's been going on will be somewhat appeased while the general public who makes up the bulk of their customer base will remain blissfully ignorant of the entire situation.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Flapjack:
Wow dude. Sure, the Tilt is a good phone, but it's capable of more.

How would you feel if you bought a top of the line car that had an A/C compressor, but when you turned the A/C on, it only blew outside temp air?

Think on that.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Dangerously:
I do not like when someone doesn't open up their eyes to the current situation. I love my phone as it is very customizable compaired to my old HP 6900. The GPS is faster for connecting but video wise, my HP was better at displaying TomTom. Side by side, my HP would anounce directions before my Tilt (TytnII) would. Not to say that I would miss directions or get lost with TomTom on the Tilt, but since the screen updates on the Tilt are slower, the anouncements do not come as quick as the old HP. I feel like I went from a decient performing phone to a decient performing phone again with just a lot more features... As for movies/videos, I do not use it much for that. I had an idea to show some of my video work on the phone if somone was interested in my work, but have scraped that idea due to the slow video. I would normaly give a DVD or show my work on a notebook computer, but I always have my phone and it would be handy to show off my work when I don't have a DVD or notebook computer around.

So to the quote I posted above... If a car was advertised with a sport muffler and the same car you bought did not come with one would you complain? It might not give much performance boost but if it was once advertised, in general we want it.

If we get a proper video driver, the over all experience will be better for GPS software, screen rotation, etc. The video driver will do more than just help with movies!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Dangerously:
I like your analogy more than mine :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] jirakhom:
Good Phone

I agree that the Kaiser is the great phone and it has everything on it (but proper video driver). And also I agree that we are not easy to please. This is the reason why this website has been created, and why improvement comes in place. I believe that people here love their phones perform better even without the real video driver. If someone is already satisfied with the phone, I wonder why they are reading these threads, why not just be satisfied with the stock roms (don't waste your time here).

I would be really more than happy if my TytnII could perform on any graphical issues better than the previous phone models. Shamelessly to say, I'm one of people who are difficult to please. :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Flapjack:
Hahah, I work on cars too much... :p
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Steveborough:
Why do idiots come to these type of threads to post crap about "I'm already happy with my phone who needs drivers". MANY of us do! Many of us DO watch videos, listen to music, use Tom Tom, scroll through web pages, like gaming, etc on our phones. END OF STORY!

If the drivers do come I DARE YOU to not get a hardon and download them!

The next person that posts, a "stop *****ing" comment deserves to be banned; the sites called XDA motherfekking DEVELOPERS!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] greenbrd:
I already own a standalone TomTom device, so I didn't buy my Tilt *because* it has GPS - I bought it because I wanted to converge my Dell Axim's capabilities with my Motorola's V551 capabilities. In return, I got an expensive device that graphically underperforms my five-year old Axim. So who the hell are you to judge and tell people to grow up? We all had different criteria for making the purchase decision. Just because the graphics issue isn't a big deal to you doesn't mean it isn't to somebody else.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] DTheTank:
I have no interest in watching movies on my phone. I want to be able to take photos and video with the integrated camera which I can't do properly with my Tytn II. I also want to be able to quickly scroll up and down the screen in applications such as Pocket IE and MS Word which is very slow and jerky on my Tytn II. I also want to be able to use Tom Tom with the integrated GPS of the Tytn II without missing the exit of an island because the screen update is so slow.

All of these things I need for my job. I didn't have these problems on my original Tytn though. I wish I still had it as I'd put the SIM back in and sell the Tytn II on eBay. Anyways thanks for your insults that will help the situation.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] AllTheWay:
Why is this thread continuing on?

I don't see the point about discussing something that is speculation at best right now.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Knumb:
kyphur!!!!! Please close..... ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] JimmyMcGee:
I agree I said my piece about 20 pages back. Lets all take a wait and see attitude and quit flaming each other. Some people want video drivers, some don't.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Billun:
But it is so much fun to read other peoples different opinion, especially when they disagree.

I am not in the category that watches movies on my phone but I had to try after everybody was *****ing about the the drivers.

And i have to say that i was impressed on how crappy it performed.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] XtreMe_G:
yes, its true, htc WILL be releasing releasing drivers for the tytn II next week.

*note: i am making this statement based on the answers i received from my magic 8 ball
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] RizwanKhan:
the op created this post to spread news/speculation about something he knows we here at xda r interested in.

this post was not created for people to argue about the capabilities of their kaisers; there r already couple of stickies in the main forum dedicated for that ... plz go and post there.

if u hav some sort on update about the news posted .. coool. if not than don't flame others.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] wim26:
I also made my comment a few pages back and I think this thread and numerous other threads about (driver) updates are useless since its all speculation as JimmyMcGee allready said. I cant stand this anymore. every time the same crap about an possible update. The only thread which for me is beareble is the thread with a link to a real (driver) update from htc.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] RizwanKhan:
lol ... mine says get off of xda and get a life ..:D but i refuse to listen :):)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] fisha21:
So it was reported yesterday that Daanno over on allaboutphones.nl (English translation) posted a comment that HTC had confirmed they would be releasing drivers and there would be more posted in special report tomorrow (ie today).

I don't speak Dutch (nor do I read for the pedants out there - yes, Scrog, that means you). Has anyone who can checked out the site today to see if this special report is there? I had a quick look with the help of Google's translation pages. Couldn't see anything obvious (although I did learn that the Diamond will ship with TomTom Nav 7).

Can see this going the same way as the ToDoSmartphone affair...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] zarch:
There is no new report about the confirmation
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] spaanplaat:
yeah yeah

I'dd love to see this rom but somehow HTC let's me believe otherwise. If it is real I would concider buying another HTC product. But right now my wizard is preforming better then my kaiser.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] KaiserVideoDriver:
for some reason, this is unexpectedly starting to look like a thread that says "do you think htc will come up with an update for Kaiser? click here to tell us what you think in less than 1000 words and win a free shopping spree!"

to whomever contributed information (other than "i think ..." "i feel..." "i'd cry if..." "it hurts...") thanks for the info, it's been fun to read