yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Guides, News, & Discussion] unh1nged:
"People should move on.." gotta love that most condescending of comments, simultaneously devaluing other people's opinions, while at the same time claiming to know better than the collective of the group being referred to.

Followed by "and keep their devices updated and safe." Implying that our phones are only "safe" with the updates, and that without said updates the users are incompetent and unable to employ what is necessary to keep their information secure. Not to mention undermining the work that all the Devs do creating ROMs with self sufficiency, without needing constant updates. Besides the fact that the "security" is more often in place for Samsung and the Carriers to be more secure in the controls they have put in place, and less so about individual users.

Not to mention the person who started this thread is monitoring it regularly, and is responsible enough about it to let people know if hope is no longer realistic.

And what happens to the people that listen to you, and then root is made possible next week, but now that they've upgraded to the latest security update which makes it impossible to revert now, thereby making the method of rooting unavailable? You going to accept the responsibility for that?

Rant over.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Guides, News, & Discussion] bober10113:
rant noted.

btw we aren't 1 month in. its been a year now. so at one point your arguments would have been very valid. on the other hand, i stated my comments at again around the 1 year later mark. so the weight of your arguments have to be taken with a grain of salt. lets talk again in an other year and see if your prophecies hold true or not. also a big part of your statements are within the eye of the beholder to which i am not going to bother acknowledging or debating. you are entitled to your opinions.

best of luck.

:svetius:

edit:

oh and btw updates aren't always for security but they can also address flaws as well(eg:battery life and such). they can add features too(night sight cam, etc).

and yet another example why staying on old firmware is a bad idea:

https://www.xda-developers.com/qualpwn-vulnerability-snapdragon-835-snapdragon-845/

again, good luck as it seems as months go by and in this case days even, you'll be needing it more and more.

but what do i know eh?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Guides, News, & Discussion] Heathmcdonald:
So how bout the Qualpwn flaw I'd give my left arm for someone to exploit it
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Guides, News, & Discussion] bober10113:
security wise what's particularly scary is that the exploit is via the modem. reading the article points to the device needing to be on the same wlan in order to be hacked. but given all the new trend of constantly being on vpns, i wonder if that could actualy increase the threat.

root wise maybe it can be exploited to push files to the device as phone can be seen as a modem if put in that particular mode and maybe can be used that way to directly gain access to it? i dunno. kind of a scary tradeoff though...
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Guides, News, & Discussion] unh1nged:
First of all, every time there's any kind of security flaw, people act like its the end of the world. Like their phone contains so much valuable information, that hackers are constantly waiting to get into it and exploit all its rich secrets. Security and Android system updates, aren't the primary means of protecting your data. If that's the only security that you have on your devices, then all the patches and updates in the world won't save your phone from exploits of one kind or another. Secondly, if there is sensitive information on your phone, and you don't know anything about securing it, then it shouldn't be on your phone.

Thirdly, where did I say updates are solely for security? I don't recall stating that, or even remotely suggesting it. I also never said to stay on old firmware. I'm updated to just before Bootloader 2. But I'm not going to blindly update without regard for what it might cost me in the future.

Not even sure why someone who has moved on, is reading what is according to him, a clearly deprecated thread. So I'll repeat what I said in the message, which you quoted in your reply, by actually copying and pasting it from your reply message "the person who started this thread is monitoring it regularly, and is responsible enough about it to let people know if hope is no longer realistic."

And saying "it's been a year now", absolutely offers no support to your clearly well informed and constructed opinion, considering the S8+ took much longer than that to achieve a method of rooting.

Besides, my comment was aimed not so much at the other posters clear lack of knowledge on the subject, or to challenge the idea of updating or not updating, as it's each individual users choice how they manage their phone, but rather: the opinion that some people have that if something is unimportant to them specifically, that they should use their clearly well earned freedom of speech to let people know they've decided for them, what their priorities should be. But that they should simultaneously also stomp on the hope that is being realistically held out, and imply that their doing so is somehow unsafe as a result. Updating to Bootlader 2, which is included with the July update, means you can't flash back to older firmware from that update forward, effectively and quite literally removing any method of rooting that's being worked on impossible.

I still don't understand why, if "people need to move on", he was reading this thread anyways, because hadn't he moved on...?

But, what do you know eh?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Guides, News, & Discussion] bober10113:
and where do u get that what ever means of actually rooting will no longer work on BL rev 2? as i see it, still not possible on stock rev 1.

edit

oh and btw

remember that i did not post my initial comment that got u all revved up specifically to you. so no need to take is so personal. the way you explain your self is as if everyone else fits in your mind set... sheesh. lol
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Guides, News, & Discussion] Jammol:
Enters thread......

......exits thread.

Man it's hot in here.?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Guides, News, & Discussion] lowridincrew,:
People said the V30 wasn't going to be rooted and look at it now...
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Guides, News, & Discussion] bober10113:
i guess timing is of the essence. buying it on launch day versus buying it a year or so later makes a difference I'd think. the intent also is a big factor. if you wanted root within the few weeks of launch; then i guess some homework was not done prior to the purchase.

also were they "mandated" to stick to a particular firmware and not do updates all that time?( which is kind of the case i was tring to make...)

i am sure there are countless of examples where devices were eventually rooted way down the road. i my self would not knowingly buy a device model that is known to be not rootable(or very very difficult) from the get go when the same device has a rootable model!!.( ie: samsung devices for the past few years)

on an other note:

i get why people are pissed. buying the wrong phone ( for what ever reason, money, not reading...etc) can be irritating. but these are man made situations and learning is always an option. hoping each day for months or years to come that some kind soul will find a way to root a particular device is not putting your money on the right horse. its a mad man's game. anyways I'm sure others will try and find arguments to justify their decisions and find fault with my views. but hey we're all entitled to our thoughts. guess we just need to learn to cope with people that have different opinions i guess plus i really dont think what i am saying is that crazy... its pretty down to earth reality stuff.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Guides, News, & Discussion] Limeybastard:
Or just by the cheapest and most modifiable device and dont worry.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Guides, News, & Discussion] bober10113:
now you sir are making way to much sense.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Guides, News, & Discussion] Limeybastard:
On rare occasions, perhaps [emoji1787]
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Guides, News, & Discussion] unh1nged:
So explaining myself now qualifies as me assuming everyone else has the same mindset? I am not sure if you even comprehend the definitions of the words you read, or just get a general feel for what you think was said, but pay not attention to any specifics whatsoever, and fill in any blanks how you see fit. I never said you directed your comment at me, or even suggested that. In fact, I played devils advocate in asking what responsibility you would take if "people" listened to you. Which certainly leaves me out of the equation due to the fact that I know the issues, and know it to be an uninformed opinion.

And if you read the comment you're responding about, I explained my reasons for being upset. Not exactly all revved up. I did complete the initial reply with the words "rant over", signifying that I realized it was a little emotion fueled and admitted it, but that it was over and so was allowing it to bother me. I didn't even think about it again until I saw the quoted response in my email, followed quickly by rolled eyes and a sigh of expected explanations to come of things that aren't about the issues so much as the great offense of simply disagreeing with another human being without that person taking personal exception to what I said, or more likely, things I didn't say but they thought I said because I surely must have meant it because it sounded a little kind of like I might have thought I meant it and clearly did so now I said it. But I didn't. :eek::D

And where do I get the "what ever means of actually rooting will no longer work on BL rev 2?" Like, do you even read a forum thread before you comment on its significance? I got the idea from the comment RIGHT BEFORE your comment about people needing to get over it. Your comment was #604. Comment #603:

"U can update to pie as long u don't update to the new security patch they release witch has bootloader 2 and doesn't allow u to downgrade at all. "

And way back in comment #57.

I'd love to say I rest my case, but that's rarely possible. Not because it's not possible, mind you. Because people are... impossible. :D
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Guides, News, & Discussion] bober10113:
short and sweet is preferred.

self explanation dosen't automatically grant ones visions as being right.

anways.. so from what i understand you are pointing to text that was written as to the fact that bootloaders can't be downgraded. perfect, i have no problem with that. its a know fact. my point was why would a potential root method work or not on one or the other if it has not been proven yet? combo bl rev 1 was proven to be used as a means of a proof of concept. has anyone proven that a combo firmware on rev 2 bl dosent work using the very means applied on the aforementioned combo firmware? and even if it is or isint working. it is still something that only works on combo. don't stretch the reality of the dire situation. no one uses combo as daily drivers.

there's nothing left to be said. entertaining this current conversation is at most entertainment at this point.

good riddance.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Guides, News, & Discussion] Limeybastard:
Wet dreams are merely that , just a dream.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Guides, News, & Discussion] Heathmcdonald:
It definitely is a path to root if anyone cares to take the time I'd gladly throw in on the bounty, I assume the exploit would be pretty close to the same for any phone with the same modem I'm on s9 and did not take the update so if anyone gets an exploit together for this phone I'll gladly try it out on mine
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Guides, News, & Discussion] unh1nged:
Wet dreams are the best dreams...

until you wake up.

The thing with wet dreams, is they are so real to your mind, that it makes you... wet. But you're wet in real life, despite it being a dream. Your mind did that without any physical stimulation. So the mind is capable of making dreams a reality in a sense then.

Admittedly, that wasn't the best way to make my point which is, I'm not sure why people are always trying to convince other people to give up. There's no value in that.

"If at first you don't succeed, try, try again." - Thomas H. Palmer (popularized by William Edward Hickson)

Let's think, who in the past have "dared to dream"? People who failed at first, but overcame resistance or obstacles to become a success or to accomplish what was once thought impossible, especially by onlookers:

Oprah Winfrey, JK Rowling, Walt Disney, Jerry Seinfeld, Colonel Sanders, Henry Ford, Elvis Presley, Stephen King, Katey Perry, Oliver Stone

Or perhaps, the Wright BrothersWright Brothers.

Albert Einstein said:

“If At First the Idea Is Not Absurd, Then There Is No Hope for It”

If people listened to naysayers, we wouldn't have advanced at all as far as technology and science are concerned. Inventions all begin with a theory, and sometimes through many trials and errors, come to be. There are no time limits on innovation, only limited minds.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Guides, News, & Discussion] DanHutchins:
Very well said. I still have faith even though I'm not as advanced as the dev's here on xda. Hope you guys keep pushing on. If not for your hard work and diligence we wouldn't have hope at all. Unfortunately there are trolls that just want to drag everyone down. Glad it hasn't stopped you.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Guides, News, & Discussion] bober10113:
so a lengthy dr king speech without actually quoting him.

well done.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Guides, News, & Discussion] Limeybastard:
A pretty melodramatic response don't you think? I'll give you credit where credit is due, you're one good story teller.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Guides, News, & Discussion] bober10113:
but he didnt write the soap, he only agreed with it.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Guides, News, & Discussion] DanHutchins:
Pretty sure you quoted the wrong person.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Guides, News, & Discussion] Limeybastard:
What soap are you referring to the weblinks or the jackanory ?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Guides, News, & Discussion] bober10113:
the whole scene man. like afternoon soap operas. or just plain old Oprah...lol
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Guides, News, & Discussion] Limeybastard:
I wouldn't know, I don't watch USA TV. It's just all adverts.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Guides, News, & Discussion] gruuvin:
Wish this thread would make progress.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Guides, News, & Discussion] DanHutchins:
I don't see you doing anything to help it. It takes time and there are less than a handful of people working on it. If you want it that bad get off the couch and learn something.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Guides, News, & Discussion] bober10113:
but gruuvin is soo..

grooooovayyy

lol

btw this thread IS progressing. every now and then the post count progresses.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Guides, News, & Discussion] gruuvin:
Cuz trolls

---------- Post added at 04:41 AM ---------- Previous post was at 04:35 AM ----------

I work about 60 hours a week writing provisioning automation for a $30B fiber backbone. I also raise a family with seven adopted kids and cook every night. I get about an hour to myself per day, if I'm lucky. I don't have the time or experience to hack the Note9. How about you get off your high horse?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Guides, News, & Discussion] bober10113:
any reason is good to get out of anything. why did you feel yours was worth stating at all?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Guides, News, & Discussion] unh1nged:
"Any reason is good to get out of anything"?

Like, wut.

You started this whole waste of time pages ago with telling people they need to move on. Clearly leading by example, proving you're not only a hypocrite by returning daily to try to instigate, but judging by the epic failure at constructing a single sentence that makes sense, I'm thinking maybe start wearing your helmet on a much more regular basis.

As for the Dr King comment, I don't exactly think his speech on a dream of equality among men, the civil rights and freedoms of all but specifically minorities, eliminating racism, abolishing slavery and ultimately his desire for everyone to coexist peacefully, resembled my tongue in cheek post even remotely.

Does anyone actually ever even think or read something like a book, or anything related top the topic they're commenting on, before they try to derail threads? Or do they just stop banging their heads against a wall long enough to mash the keyboard with their jam covered knuckles, until auto-correct desperately manages to arrange sentences that include enough words about the topic to sound like something resembling a point... or an insult, or a general grouping of words that vaguely mean something? :silly:

Probably way past the harm reduction stage, but still, helmets gentlemen. Keep what's left from becoming soup. :eek:

---------- Post added at 03:21 AM ---------- Previous post was at 03:13 AM ----------

Also, a "lengthy dr king speech"?

Because my paragraph was lengthier than his whole speech right?

The speech didn't actually end after he said "I have a dream", that was just the opening sentence. If you're having a hard time reading whole paragraphs, try taking breaks and asking an 8 year old to help you with the big words.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Guides, News, & Discussion] bober10113:
clearly you place yourself above all of this. Towering over me but yet steeping to my shallowness and reducing yourself each time by coming back and trying to make a certain point which was quite clear a while back:

you disapprove of me in all regards and even take a certain pleasure in demonstrating it.

fine i get it. but do you? You should really try and get over it.

you are like a broken record, not only repeating how vastly superior you feel, you seem to find pleasure and malice in the insults aswell. when you find yourself coming back to a point where you are continuously trying to state the same thing: feelings and emotions of resentment towards an other, it's not too far from an obsession. remember that it takes a will to come here, read, get revved up and post basicaly the same statements but in different verses time after time. it would seem your opinions towards me are paramount and just must be known! remember that at any point, feel free to PM me as this will help cut down on the off topic personal vendetta you have.

Anyways, i think these chats of ours are a real confidence booster for you. glad i could offer this service as you seem to need it.

but if i could only suggest a few things: try and not take it so personal. don't let yourself throw insults at others. you can't on one hand show off how better you are when slinging insults in the other.. your creditability gets lessened. so learn how to better show off these higher standards of yours. there's nothing better than living as an example when trying to put across opinions and morals.

one last thing, feel free to use the ignore list button if you just can't stop yourself. but i can't stop myself from feeling a certain young naivety coming from you. and its really starting to show..
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Guides, News, & Discussion] bober10113:
i posted that people should move on. this was not a threatening comment nor was it personally addressed to anyone nor was it in malice. i still feel this is not bad advice especialy evey week that goes by, it rings even more true. but hey its just something thrown out there. it like saying people get old. i don't expect people that feel old to come in and try to disprove me or take offence by my comments.

Moreover, you can simply state that you disagree without getting on your high horses and make each and every reply into some vain attempt to prove yourself and try to leverage your way up by quoting others in some strange attempt to give more value to your thoughts. its ok to have an original idea or a stance on something. no need to prove yourself to me.

but again, i have not reiterated my initial comment but yet the core arguments you seem to push in each reply is the fact that i stated that people should move on to which you found great disstisfaction and from what only i can see as evidence in your continuous replies that you were in fact personaly affected by it. yet i have not reiterated once my 4 or 5 word comment as this was obviously the trigger, but i do see it is still a burning matter for you none the less as reading throughout your opinions clearly shows this. so sorry, im sorry for your feelings when you first glanced at my post.

now do me a favor and reread all you've said and tell me who's going overboard here?

"people should be moving on" is a non threatening statement and as you just stated, i think that I, as much as YOU, should really be considering those words right now in regards of this blown out of proportion soap.

its ok to disagree. but apparently its going to take an adult to step up and make the back and forth bickering stop.

I'm up to it, how about you?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Guides, News, & Discussion] sacnotsack:
here's an idea let's try to keep the thread on topic and not hijack it and turn it into something that it wasn't meant to be.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Guides, News, & Discussion] Matty1973:
so im not reading 66 pages sorry im so A.D.D. anyway. so i got my phone hacked had it hijacked. thing is i noticed that even if i switched the sim card did a hard reset anything. Once the note 9 sprint was reatarted it automatically reloaded everything the way it was and re hijaacked my phone. i assume it was using the samsung clone app thing. could you rewrite that to root before a bootloader kicked in. its how the hijack workwd. if im an idiot whats new just a thought.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Guides, News, & Discussion] Limeybastard:
Finally someone who posted on topic.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Guides, News, & Discussion] lincolnsxda:
Your posts are not helpful. They highlight your lack of respect for this forum and the individuals who participate in it. Everything that Unh1nged stated about your behaviour in this forum is absolutely on point, and well stated. Your pessimism, negativity, and boring off topic drivel is the problem here.

Have the courage and respect to conduct yourself in this forum in a way that is beneficial to it, not negative, pessimistic, and valueless. Consider taking a look at how you dismiss others views and immediately react in a defensive manner.

Linc
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Guides, News, & Discussion] bober10113:
Its one thing to disagree. its an other to go on a campaign to attack someone personally because they dislike them more than their views( from the get go his intent was clear to be much more than simply disagreeing.) when they resolve to find any nook and cranny to attack them on a personal front and slinging insults along the way that are in no way related to the initial statement that triggered his reaction , it is only normal that self defense comes into play on my part. Also notice how calmly and non threatening i was all along the way, this did not warrant his strong reactions, was i to turn the other cheek and let the personal attacks and insults slide? I draw the line when discussion and argument transform to attacks. on a public forum we can state opinions and facts that may conflic with others views. its only natural. the degeneration into personal conflict and use of any means necessary to leverage insults upon an other's intelligence or character is unessacery.

you, can also disagree with my initial statements but to agree with the fashion by which the other user took to disagree and push his slander agenda is not much better.

on this, your comments are noted in regards of the negativity.

best regards