yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[General Topics] banesi:
don't need flash, need autofocus, tv out and NO slide keyboard hopefully, this device looks better than Xperia, my Trinity is on sale soon :)

and dimensions of this device looks like miracle!
[General Topics] rajib:
looks neat
[General Topics] master athlon:
very nice

Very nice specs, the onboard 4gb memory is a big plus, and it looks nice too.
[General Topics] geekyhawkes:
Looks mgood, still a bit too much wasted space with buttons on the bottom of the device. I would prefer to have a bigger screen with only RED/Green phone buttons.
[General Topics] vetius:
Drool....flush screen. Can't stand the plethora of WM Pro devices with recessed screens - they are dust magnets, plus difficult to use with an on screen keyboard.
[General Topics] galaxys:
Ausome looking and thin!
[General Topics] TorxT3D:
2.8" screen... NEXT!
[General Topics] vetius:
2.8" isn't that small - it's the same size as most Pro devices out now like the Kaiser. The difference will be the MUCH higher pixel density.
[General Topics] the_scotsman:
sexiest PDA ever...and a VGA screen to boot!
[General Topics] Mak89:
Looks good, can't wait for this one ... hope they fixed this driver problem
[General Topics] pomfiedel:
you can see a little demo video on htc.com!

looks very nice!

cu
[General Topics] jaggu_nothing:
just buying it!!!

http://live.phonemag.com/

http://www.phonemag.com/htc-touch-diamond-is-announced-demoed-052686.php

yeehaaaaaaaa

http://www.htc.com/europe/default.aspx the demo video is up also on HTC site
[General Topics] curlsaloud:
That's beautiful. Gorgeous design, stunning UI. I want :drool:
[General Topics] VirgilWoods:
It's so gorgeous! However, the back cover will attract alot of smudges and fingerprints.. But idc, this phone is so beautiful!! I love the youtube integration. I think HTC did learn alot from SE, since so many SE phones have gorgeous screens and GUIs.

Despite not having a full hardware keyboard, the software one they have seems very nice. It's great for everything but playing some games, which is alright given the benefits. Also worthy of noting is the fact that it more than likely has video drivers because it has 3D touchflo.
[General Topics] Rudegar:
Rudegar sit down and wait for "will htc release a working gpu driver for Touch Diamond" threads ;)
[General Topics] alanwesty:
No mention of Micro SD card facility so limited to 4GB memory
[General Topics] yodafunk:
HTC Diamond using MSM7201A

I'd definitely be interested in getting several of these plugins/screens for my Kaiser. In time I suppose.

Here for shots
[General Topics] rumble291:
Looks nice but it depends how well its going to do on the touch side of things ive got the touch dual and you can tell all they have done is chucked aload of software in it for little touch things but you still need a stylus sometimes. If they have made this purely touch then its going to be a strong competitor with the iphone. Hopefully we can see this new interface on the other touch phones :D. I think they should have a slide out keyboard there nice to use and you can type pretty dam quick on one and also have a good touch keyboard.
[General Topics] mchapman007:
Excellent thread already started; http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=389935

Some good stuff.....
[General Topics] Hornet331:
theres coming a version with slider and other stuff, just later.
[General Topics] gofawkurself:
it will look cute in some girls purse. I'm really glad they decided to put a slide out keyboard on this.....

Other than that. It's a nice step forward and I would have hope to see more than this from the London show. Kinda let down and bitter about that.
[General Topics] InGeNeTiCs:
The interface sucks if they can't get the touch screen right. I have both a kaiser and a touch, and I can tell you it's waaay better using the kaiser because of the keyboard. The screen is so unresponsive at times(on both devices) that I usually just give up and start typing on the keyboard.
[General Topics] mchapman007:
Has anyone made the comparison to the SE Xperia X1? I'm on the X1 side for now till more info is available on the Diamond. My wifes contract is up in September so there will be some upgrading going on!
[General Topics] rfarnell:
NEW HTC Diamond iPhone rival unwrapped

From http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/05/06/htc_diamond/

Pictures available on the link above.
[General Topics] decipher:
If you read the very first post it says microsd slot.
[General Topics] alanwesty:
My mistake, just that there's no mention of the SD card slot in the specs on HTC's website.
[General Topics] Rudegar:
it looks a bit like prada and or armani
[General Topics] stpete111:
I'm not sure I've ever wanted a phone so badly. I practically just got my Kaiser, but I don't care... the second I can get my hands on this I'm getting one. Too bad I'm in the US though as I know it will take longer to get here. :(
[General Topics] paulobrien:
No microSD slot.

http://www.modaco.com/content/windo...launch-coverage-post-now-with-official-specs/

P
[General Topics] extraducksauce:
ALL (and more) HERE:http://www.engadget.com/photos/htc-touch-hands-on-2/
[General Topics] onesolo:
Lack of Memory card support and 2.8" Display!!!!

HTC does not learn, does she??

Now it's the lack of memory card reader and a 2.8" display. Argghhh!!!!

Next!!!
[General Topics] Sander:
I just ordered the Touch Cruise, I'm cancelling that one today. This HTC is just everything I need from a "phone" right now.
[General Topics] larcen007:
Can somone sticky/start post about Diamond and when the apps will be ported to Kaiser (I hope I used the right terminology).
[General Topics] CmdKewin:
Oh my good lord! :D Guess it's time to put my "old" hermes (which has had a broken touch screen since about a year and a half now) in "pre-dust" mode... My Orange contract is expiring in June, so perfect timing there :D

A little bit dissapointed about the lack of a MicroSD Card, but then, 4 gb of internal space will be more than enough: I bring my 160gb ipod always with me for a reason.

And, although I'm way too used to the full-size keyboard, I can go without.

Well done HTC. Not perfect, but you gave me a reason not to wait for the 3g IPhone (if that ever comes out).
[General Topics] FloatingFatMan:
Guys, guys, guys... Don't be taken in by pretty pictures and glowing reviews. HTC did it to us with the TyTn II, do you REALLY want to fall for that again?

Wait until we've seen some actual reviews from actual users, not reviewers. The official reviewers played us last time with singing the praises of a device which failed to live up to HTC's promises. Don't let HTC take you for suckers again.
[General Topics] JimmyMcGee:
Man you sure can tell who the Bitter Kaiser owners are. :p:eek:
[General Topics] CmdKewin:
According to Paul, from Modaco (who had the actual device in his hands), it is.

And so does the HTC product page... but we know how sensitive that information has become, right?...

"Vibrant TouchFLO 3D user interface, responding perfectly to your finger gestures when scrolling through contacts, browsing the web, and launching media… all vividly displayed as photos and artwork powered by the 3D graphics processor."
[General Topics] Jozer99:
According to HTC's press release, this thing runs a 7201A processor and has working graphics accelleration with 7-8 Mpolygons a second. From the video of the home plugin, I believe it. I wonder if it is possible to get that driver working on the Kaiser.
[General Topics] Infuruno:
i doubt it since it has a vga screen after all but still hopeful and wonder cose its a vga device if the UI can be ported to other devices,
[General Topics] K-Mobile:
no 1900Mhz hsdpa
[General Topics] livefastdiefun87:
This could actually be the saviour of HTC after the kaiser fiasco. Oh well hopefully they have learnt their lesson. This looks like it could be a worthy addition to the HTC collection. Lets just wait for some independant reviews first though before we jump in with this one
[General Topics] CmdKewin:
Well, maybe I'm wrong, but isn't HSDPA widespread in Europe only? And the 1900 Mhz is US-centric. Right?... Oh well :D
[General Topics] tramuyo:
this HTC looks so great
[General Topics] nsa666:
Manila(Touchflow 3d) Interface will not work on Kaiser because of lack of 3d driver!...
[General Topics] Matterhorn:
If it's true there is no microSD card slot, that is a pitty. If it is really only triband, that is a deal breaker for me. Oh well, my Trinity is working great with WM6 and an 8gb microSD.
[General Topics] smartphone.net.pl:
I was there and phone is amazing.

They took best things from Windows Mobile and iPhone.

Sadly - there's no memory card slot. 4 GB built in flash memory and that's all. When i read leaks on sunday i was amazed - 4 GB plus microSDHC card sounds great. Built-in memory for music, photos and data, card for maps..

Few hours ago i had suprise - no memory card slot.

But Diamond is still great phone - fast processor, VGA, finally proper driver for video card, great TouchFLO 3D.

And the best thing - size.

It's almost the same as SE W880i. Superb
[General Topics] Mak89:
Are you sure there is no memory card slot... could it be that you change the memory by opening up the cover, below the battery

Phone looks to good... this will be my next mobile device
[General Topics] ajs007:
Come on guys, you're missing the big picture ... We've got another ROM coming to play with :cool:
[General Topics] Diablohtr:
HTC Diamond using MSM7201A

Any one else pickup on this?

Processor	Qualcomm® MSM7201A™ 528 MHz

Engadget says this one is actually coming with video drivers.....
[General Topics] Diablohtr:
Diamond is using MSM7201A, any one think there is some hope after all?
[General Topics] smartphone.net.pl:
w wasn't allowed to open the phone.

Information is provided by HTC officials.

Additionally in official materials from HTC is no mention about card slot
[General Topics] JimmyMcGee:
Aww Man. There are like 4 other threads dealing with the Diamond Post that with them. Also, this needs to be In General General. Doesn't explicitly apply to the Kaiser.
[General Topics] DMAND:
I doubt you can do much with the ROM without any hardware accelerataion, just wouldnt be as slick
[General Topics] Laubscherc:
As well as in South Africa.
[General Topics] Infuruno:
umm this is to do with video drivers........
[General Topics] Rudegar:
being that drivers for pda's are more narrow in scope then your avarage pc driver

it could be that the qualcomm driver is hardwired to the vga res

and same for the new htc home plugin
[General Topics] JimmyMcGee:
umm It doesn't matter. Because if that were true there at least 800 threads about video drivers. But ultimately its about the Diamond and there is a thread about the Diamond in ROM development. :)
[General Topics] Penske MB:
take a look of the offical youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_vKsxOT3Lw
[General Topics] Rudegar:
wonder for how long the owners of diamond will enjoy it before wm7 or even andoid devices can them drool for something new ;)
[General Topics] Doug2873:
2.8" screen still? cmon...
[General Topics] Pawel062:
damn it. manila sounded so much better than touchFLO 3D. what the press releases wont show you is the manila goes beyond that slow today plugin that was leaked a while bac. it skins everything and adds new functions to things like the dialer. its still a wm6.1 behind the plugin.
[General Topics] Diablohtr:
I pointed this out as it is using a very similiar chipset as compared to the Kaiser (7200/7201 vs. 7201A). Just thinking a driver port may be possible is all.
[General Topics] Over Achiever:
Looks like a great phone! Hopefully we'll start seeing more VGA 2.8" touchscreens in other phones now that the HTC Diamond starts off with it. A VGA screen is very nice!

Is there a graphics/3D processor in this? If not, the display may be sluggish, I experienced that in my Glofiish X800.
[General Topics] Mak89:
i wonder if someone could replicate this touchflo 3D

bummer about the SDHC slot maybe there will be one on the HTC Touch Pro
[General Topics] Noam23:
Don't be fooled, watch the Youtube videos !, the Diamond is still as slugish as the Cruise/Kaiser, you have to wait about 1 second between the gesture and the actual action on the screen.

It seems hardware video drivers did *nothing* to solve the unresponsiveness of HTC devices.
[General Topics] Infuruno:
Only thing I'm wondering about is does it matter that the diamond uses a vga screen
[General Topics] Diablohtr:
I dont know all that much about drivers but it doesnt seem that being VGA would be very important. Thinking of a PC screen, the drivers dont control the screen, but they control the video output to the screen. Seems like it would be similar here?
[General Topics] Jozer99:
Not to mention that the Diamond is VGA, the Kaiser is QVGA. Without a complete rewrite, even if you could get it to run, you could only see 1/4 of the homescreen.
[General Topics] JimmyMcGee:
I would personally hesitate to say that PPC drivers work the same as PC drivers.

PC Video Drivers allow you to change the Pixel Resolution because you can hook any size monitor to it. PPCs have a fixed screen so the Drivers only need to be programed to work with that fixed resolution.
[General Topics] Infuruno:
I guess we will have to wait and see hopefully there will be a dump soon for the expects to look through.
[General Topics] Diablohtr:
I dont mean to say that it will be plug and play, but I dont see it being a limiting factor.
[General Topics] wis38:
Diamond vs. Cruise

What I like

compact size & light, like the Cruise but thinner

VGA screen, although 2.8" (mandatory to keep size compact)

3D drivers (YES! the presentation explicitly mentions the words "3D GPU" ;) )

very nice user interface

What I do not like

a bit limited connectivity capability (3-band GSM, 2-band UMTS vs. 4-band GSM and 3-band UMTS for Cruise)

smaller battery (900mAh), less autonomy (~3.5H talk time, Cruise specs are far better) :mad:

no micro-SDHC (I use it a lot for work, in combination with a micro USB card reader)

In conclusion, I'll stay with my Cruise that better covers my needs (battery lifetime, connectivity, SD cards). Maybe if next models can truly mix and match both... :rolleyes:

In the meantime, let's hope for a successful porting of the drivers (at least for user interface/2D). :D
[General Topics] bowow:
where can I find HTC HOME of the HTC DIAMOND??

this thread is talking itself :D
[General Topics] coolhead:
I think you would find it if you buy a HTC Diamond! ;)
[General Topics] sundar_amn:
HTC Diamond - Amazing...

http://www.gsmarena.com/one_touch_one_htc_touch_diamond-news-498.php

This is amazing.. for US it will late.. i am guessing folks in UK can extract the ROM in June and get the "Manila" for Kaiser users??. :)
[General Topics] bowow:
really :o but if i buy i wont need it anymore :)
[General Topics] crazygoldfish:
my god it looks amazing
[General Topics] bowow:
lol sorry i think im just too hurry :$
[General Topics] mjhorn:
Not sure if this means an official port or a possible incompatibility to be ported to older devices at all, but here's what one of the engadget articles had to say:

"The Touch Diamond makes use of GPU accelerated procedural graphics, so you will not see a backward-compatible TouchFlow 3D update for the current Touch. It's capable of doing 7-8mil polygons per second (not that many games or apps will make use of that right now)."

http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/06/a-little-more-on-htcs-touch-diamond/
[General Topics] Vexamus:
interestingly enough, the cpu is the MSM7201A... at 528Mhz. Isn't that a one off from the MSM7200 that's in our Kaisers?

Official HTC Spec Page
[General Topics] smartphone.net.pl:
here is first price:

http://www.devicewire.co.uk/htc-touch-diamond
[General Topics] smartphone.net.pl:
Peter Chou today promised 4h talk time, thanks to more advanced power management, will see...

Second thing promised today is bigger battery, should be available this autumn
[General Topics] smartphone.net.pl:
forget it - Diamond has VGA screen.
[General Topics] P1Tater:
How many threads do we need on the new HTC Diamond phone in the Kaiser forum?

1. http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=390529

2. http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=390502

3. http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=390457

4. http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=390532
[General Topics] p_pen:
Some sites said that it has micro sd card slot. But I didn't see it has mentioned on the HTC official site. So I am not sure if there is a micro sd card slot in the Diamond.
[General Topics] daburn814:
is this worth 4x as much as the 3G iphone assuming a 200-300$ range promised by AT&T? it's cool but it costs an arm and leg. :)
[General Topics] mchapman007:
I haven't seen one with a poll yet!!!
[General Topics] PointZero:
Seems like there are a number of things to distill from a Diamond ROM dump. The video drivers is one thing, Opera Mobile 9.5 for another? Once proper drivers are distilled, the TouchFLO 3D might as well be lifted.
[General Topics] P1Tater:
A the mods.

Thank you for moving all 4 threads in to one and removing it from the kaiser section. You guys kick arse.
[General Topics] _Alex_:
Folks, please try not to spam, as the multitude of threads was brought to my attention by P1Tater and I've cleaned them up as requested.

This post belongs in the general forum, as it is *NOT* Kaiser related, just like post about a Hermes, Wizard or any other device should also not be in a Kaiser forum.
[General Topics] Mack5305:
So what if it is a QVGA or VGA?

Anyone notice that HTC conveniently left out the frames-per-second from their specs? So what will it play back at: 15 fps, 24 fps, or 30 fps? The Nokia N95 is 30 fps and looks better than the Tilt which needs to be slowed down to 24 fps and then it it still drops frames.

If it is 15 fps it's gonna be jerky as heck in playback - not unlike the driverless Kaisers and Tilts out now. The camera pixel count is still low as it is now (3+ meg. pixel) and I wouldn't be surprised if it is as slow - or maybe slower due to increased VGA pixels.

I'm very skeptical of their newest "Premier Flagship" phone since it has another Broadcom, er, Qualcom chip.

Mack
[General Topics] smartphone.net.pl:
WHAT???

iPoo will be $300 with contract.

Diamond is 462 GBP without. Can't you see different?
[General Topics] ayyu3m:
htc does know how to make good ads. lets see how good that ad is when we get our hands on this diamond :D
[General Topics] K-Mobile:
Why didn't HTC give Diamond tri-band UMTS radio?

Really disappointed... I will wait for Xperia.
[General Topics] ianl8888:
Yep, only tri-band GSM, duo-band UMTS, no micro-SDHC slot

Heap of expensive crap
[General Topics] paulobrien:
My quick tour!

http://www.modaco.com/content/windows-mobile-news/268179/htc-touch-diamond-tour/

P
[General Topics] mario23:
Don't know about the phone itself but I love that interface!!!
[General Topics] someyungguy:
With the 2 band umts 900 and 2100 will the diamond even work on the at&t network?
[General Topics] Harun93:
good concept, but poor execution. from the videos i've seen, it's not much faster than the current htc phones.

iphone's interface is much more responsive when compared to the diamond.
[General Topics] hidavi:
The Mogul replacement looks identical, cept that its thicker and has a slide-out keyboard.
[General Topics] Wormholez:
Looks great!

modaco mentioned towards the end that it was connected via Wi-fi, which is sweet. "Wi-Fi®: IEEE 802.11 b/g" when are you really ever away from accessible wi-fi anyway!
[General Topics] Trekvogel:
Love the phone but my contract still has more than a year to go and I'm not paying gbp 464 for a new phone that just looks a bit prettier.
[General Topics] CmdKewin:
Pretty much ALWAYS around here :) Wifi is widespread, sure... But what you need is FREE wifi. Otherwise you are stuck with expensive wifi contracts with the providers.

That said, I'm looking forward to the Diamond and to the Raphael (basically the Keyboard version, with no 4gb internal memory but with the SD card slot).
[General Topics] selspiero:
thios 'looks' nice, but again, will it be style over substance?

I have the original touch, which i love but there are so many little things that annoy me. i hardly ever use the cube pages, as i have a launcher on the today screen, and the HTC plugins look lovely, but then look rubbish when they have to load the WM application

Luckily, i am on t-mobile, with an upgrade in june... so will be interested in hearing what this is like!
[General Topics] bommel0815:
well I currently have an E-TEN M800 because i wanted the VGA screen.

this does definitely look nice and it has most of what i wanted from my next phone. most notably the big RAM and graphics acceleration.

but the big ram is it.

btw you noticed that the leaked opera 9 builds had www.htc.com as start page? when i saw this, and the black style of the controls, I was pretty sure HTC would include it in the new devices *g*

btw the new cube launcher icons look like they are finally configurable by means of the GUI. great.

looking forward to a QWERTY version.
[General Topics] imranbashir_uk:
New Sub-Board

Now that the HTC Touch Diamond has officially been announced, is it not time to have a new sub board dedicated to this device?

Also, when do you suppose we will be getting full and proper reviews?

I want to know how good the camera is. I want to know if it can record in VGA at 30 fps. I want to know if built in memory is noticeably faster than external flash cards. I want to know how good the GPS and WiFi reception is, I want to now what actual battery time is.

Seeing as the device will be in the shops next month, we should be getting reviews pretty quickly don’t you think.
[General Topics] smartphone.net.pl:
I have no idea when you can expect full review, but you can expect first proper review in the middle of June, when first production Diamonds will be shipped.

All Diamonds displayed yesterday comes from pre-production batch with lot of bugs.

Due to top secret policy, TouchFlo 3D firmware was provided for HTC employees just few hours before show!! They spend night before learning how to use it...
[General Topics] imranbashir_uk:
Upgrading from an orignal Orbit

I’ve got more questions, which I hope someone will be able to answer.

Background info, at the moment I own an XDA orbit, the reasons I went for this is as follows:

1. In my opinion the Orbit looks better than the MDA Compact III

2. The orbit has WiFi the MDA Compact III doesn’t

3. The Orbit is SIM unlocked the MDA Compact III isn’t

4. The MDA Compact III has way to much branding for my liking

Being on T-Mobile, and not willing to switch over to O2 the only way I was able to get the Orbit, was to buy it offline, which was expensive.

My contract with T-Mobile expires next month, just in time for the launch of the HTC Touch Diamond. I am afraid I might be faced with the same dilemma again.

Do I go the cheap option and upgrade to a T-Mobile MDA Compact IV at a subsidised price, or the more expensive option of buying a O2 XDA Diamond offline.

So my questions are: -

Q1. Does anyone know if the T-Mobile MDA Compact IV will be debilitated in any way (i.e. WiFi Disabled)?

Q2. Will you be able to SIM unlock the T-Mobile MDA Compact IV?

Q3. Will you be able to install the original HTC ROM without branding on the T-Mobile MDA Compact IV?

Q4. For any original MDA Compact III owners, were you able to install the original HTC Artemis ROM over the branded MDA Compact III ROM?

Q5 Any issues / cost implications I should be aware of if I go down the route of upgrading to a T-Mobile MDA Compact IV, then installing the original HTC ROM over it?

Thanks for your help...
[General Topics] ld-runner:
why why why must HTC release things that are almost pertect....

please HTC, release a Kaiser like device with VGA and call it quits.
[General Topics] FloatingFatMan:
A1. I'd have thought that very unlikely. T-Mobile don't generally knobble their branded devices

A2. Sooner or later, very likely. Or just T-Mobile to send you an unlock code

A3. Probably, when it comes out and the cooks here make the kitchen.

A4. I can't answer this

A5. You will invalidate your warranty if you flash the device. Generally though, T-Mobile's ROMS are quite good.