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[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] 41rw4lk:
I know it has completely disappeared from the tmo update page. It's been in development since forever, now it's just gone. I've seen the LG V40 move from testing back to development and almost all of the samsungs get complete, but z2 just poofed lol.

https://support.t-mobile.com/community/phones-tablets-devices/software-updates
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] _ghiottone:
I think within 2 weeks we will get the update, but its weird that in the german or uk page there is no info about the pie update yet.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] Taime:
verizone ...

still not received pie update ..

waiting waiting waiting ....
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] thelolotov:
Nothing on T-Mobile either. I get the feeling nobody actually has this update yet.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] Siminica:
What was the delay between the moment change log was published by Motorola and the moment the ota started to roll out for Z3? from what I've seen it was like 3 months or something. Plus Pie will come with 5g moto mod suport and Motorola said this will be available end of summer or late this summer (something like that I don't remember exactly). So I think now that log was published there will be at least 2 months until roll out. Just my thoughts and I would be very happy to be wrong and this happens earlier.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] thelolotov:
As nicely as I can say this, I really hope you're wrong, haha.

Unfortunately you're probably not.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] ilovemeow:
still neeed to wait root for pie too
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] BigBrad75:
I'm using a Verizon Z2 force,. But with an ATT sim card... When and if the update ever does get delivered, is it true that I won't be able to receive the OTA until I find an active VZW sim and put it in the phone? Or is this ancient practice thats no longer a requirement with paid off VZW phones? Thanks guys
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] wrenhal:
It's a problem with many Motorola phones in general. I'm using an AT&T version on cricket and even though cricket is owned by AT&T I've had to use the smart assistant software to flash every update I've gotten.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] alexwbaule:
[MENTION=3227293]TigerCourage[/MENTION], there is a new version. PPX29.159-19 (The last one is PPX29.159-10) ,i will capture the OTA , OK !?

Just wait to me get home.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] TigerCourage:
Super man!!! Thank you! All the internet is waiting for your OTA ?
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] PrincePadraic1:
Can’t post a link since I’m a new member but when you search Z2 Force Pie on Google “GetDroidTips” website says Verizon is pushing pie OTA out. I’m on Verizon myself and I’ve received no update yet.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] zq6559636:
Waiting for you
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] Debuffer:
not trying to be ignorant but im to anxious... didnt you arrive yet? xD
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] Uzephi:
Can you screenshot the settings for verification of kernel version and build number? Moto is being a little quiet about releasing kernel source for BR beta -10. Maybe they will be more responding with your release.

https://github.com/MotorolaMobilityLLC/kernel-msm/issues/220
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] alexwbaule:
Sure !
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] :
[MENTION=4604067]Uzephi[/MENTION] It won't help anything for your kernel requesting to Motorola ，this is the soak test version and not for public released yet
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] Uzephi:
GPL doesn't specify public release. If you "distribute" which they did to beta testers. The users that got that release have a right to access the source code of the kernel since it is GPL. I had to read the license when I released my kernel.

"For example, if you distribute copies of such a program, whether gratis or for a fee, you must give the recipients all the rights that you have. You must make sure that they, too, receive or can get the source code. And you must show them these terms so they know their rights. "
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] :
TIL, thanks :good:
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] ilia3367:
Public releas will be by the end of this year. Or maybe at the beginning of the next year. Or maybe...

LenoMoto, how pathetic you are!
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] allrightlite:
Is the retail update canceled? I have read something in discord channel and maybe anyone has news about the pie update.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] Uzephi:
We only know T-Mobile cancelled the Pie update from their forums. It was posted from a T-Mobile Staff.

https://support.t-mobile.com/thread/151304

Edit: Speculation due to 5G mod support. They say "this model" which could mean the T-Mobile one only possibly because tmo doesn't want the 5G mod on an almost 2 year old phone? Breaks their business model of customers replacing devices each year.

No way that statement means all phones won't get it. They wouldn't be sending soak tests to Brz if that was the case
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] bharathks5:
Why is pie update cancelled?:eek:
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] henrywhtin:
Wtf is going on....
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] AmoledLove:
Pie Release notes vanished from US and other region support portals. What might be the case! Tensed. :confused:
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] Danilo_Pascal:
Received today june parch
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] 41rw4lk:
Moto built a modular phone that they've never really been able to support. Whether it was the mods or the os, it's never been 100% Then they pushed the Z3 hoping for a clean slate, but that wasn't so much the case, the same mess on another phone. Ahhh what did we do???? Then someone suggested a Z4, but no one cared. lmao

I think they're throwing in the towel. They might phone it in for a couple of variants, we'll see.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] henrywhtin:
cant even flash a third party rom cuz mine is the At&t variant. damn
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] Julius96:
Sì solo negli USA è stato rimosso per colpa della t-mobile, negli altri stati dove è stato venduto il modello tipo, Italia, Brasile, Germania, Spagna l'update verrà pubblicato perché ho controllato nel sito degli update della Motorola, menomale che non ho questo problema
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] wrenhal:
Could it be that somebody just jumped the gun on the support page because they're still in soak? And so they removed it?
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] Siminica:
On US support site Pie is announced only for Verizon, for all other carriers "will remain on 8.1" :confused:

On Germany support site Pie is still announced...
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] bharathks5:
But for India, it is showing pie will be released.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] TigerCourage:
https://support.t-mobile.com/thread/151304

Funny thing is, the phone never recieved 8.1 . It's stuck on 8.0 since December 2017.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] huatz84:
Even Oreo 8.1 has never been released for Z2 Force.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] :
anyone know what are legal consequences for leaking the soak test files ?

since moto sucks , hope some "soak testers" here could share the ota file or dump the whole partitions for us.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] morr22066:
That is *F* ing bullsh**! It probably has something to do with Verizon if they happen to be the only US carrier to get it. I sure hope that an XDA Dev will be able to port the "Pie" update to the other US Z2 Force models.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] wrenhal:
Or it had something to do with T-Mobile and at&t not wanting to mess with carrier changes since they didn't sell as well. Would be nice if Moto just released it in a way that could be installed on any carrier locked device.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] Elsnakes:
After waiting so long for the update, now they say it's not gonna to happen. This is unacceptable! Moto never again. Thats for sure to me.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] Julius96:
Io non capisco perché capitano sempre in America cazzate del genere, senza offesa??, da come ho capito leggendo le notizie a quanto pare è l'unico stato in cui è stato rimosso l'update, che schifo
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] Uzephi:
https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Moto-Z-Force/Android-Pie-Update/m-p/4462358

I am never buying a Lenovorola device again. Seems only the Verizon model will get Pie. Pie has been abandoned for all other devices (in the US). They won't explain, but enabling 5G mod requires modifications to the modem stack and instead of doing a split update for other carriers, they will just abandon all other variants. (AT&T, T-Mobile, Sprint won't get it confirmed, non-US models still might get it)

So, if you have an international version hopefully you get pie. Those of us on a non-Verizon US model will be stuck on a buggy 8.0 version.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] morr22066:
Pie

If an International / European version is released that should work with T-MOBILE.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] VzQzZ:
I've been saying for a long time that Moto doesn't care for their flagships..

That's absurd. Totally f*cked up.

I won't be affected since I have the international variant ( -05 ) but damn feel bad for you US friends..

Seems like the only option for those who like Moto and updates will be the Moto One line..
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] sklks:
No, it won't. I have a T-Mobile (US) phone with an hybrid firmware with retail (live in Europe) but it needs the T-Mobile baseband to work (SIM card), with the retail firmware only you won't be able to have the SIM card working neither detected at all.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] morr22066:
Pie

No, not a direct flash. What I meant was for a Dev to create a stock based ROM. I have had T-MOBILE phones where there were stock ROM's based on an International or European base.

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I had bailed on Moto after my Droid Maxx but came back to Moto because of this phone. I am disappointed at the lack of support for a flagship phone. After 10 months of waiting for the promised update to Pie they decide to screw over owners of their flagship line.

They may well just give up on flagship devices and continue their march to bargain basement throw away phones.

I should have known better then to give Moto another chance.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] sklks:
On this model I was not able to have the SIM card working with any baseband besides the original from the phone that's T-Mobile, if it's possible to have a fully functional stock ROM working with a T-Mobile phone would be great!
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] quadcrap1:
Any chance of using the pie updates from Verizon or from international carriers on a Sprint or TMobile phone with unlocked bootloader

Or maybe a soak test image of any of those have been captured?

We've already been able to successfully convert a Sprint phone into the other carrier platforms with a flash for Oreo.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] lchiu7:
I'm using a Sprint phone that was locked to Sprint but after flashing the new Sprint modified firmware is running on a non US carrier fine. Hopefully somebody can release some firmware to enable these phones also to be running Pie.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] Taime:
i have verizone carrier z2 force can i receve pie update ??
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] phpinfo():
It looks like a hoax, it was written on the site that the phone will be upgraded to Android 9, many people have bought this phone with the confidence that the update will come. As a result, it was canceled. I feel deceived. Are such actions legal? It looks like a hoax!
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] CristianBR:
Boa noite amigo, pelo que entendi a variante 05 receberá o Pie via OTA? Tenho a mesma versão e estou pensando em instalar uma rom baseada no pie, já que não virá de forma oficial
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] Uzephi:
Knowing Verizon it probably went down like this:

Moto: Hey, release notes for 9.0 release. 5G mod works!

Verizon lapdog: hey, we will stop selling your phones if you let 5G mods work on other variants

Moto: Pie only releasing for Verizon in the US

Verizon did similar to HTC in the M7 era with bootloader unlocks.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] AmoledLove:
Software updates is where the motorola has always been worst, most probably since Lenovo owned. Saying phrases like this is my last moto phone I'll ever buy are subtle at the moment as moto cancelled the much awaited update even after promising. I was angry at the news, then after a while frustrated, and after that I felt pity on motorola. Yes moto already lost flagship buyers and nothing is more pathetic to rely on mid-range phones, there'd be a much pathetic situation in the near future. Many legend phones including Moto Z2 force from moto made it stand among top brands and these phones are the reason moto is still witnessing the term quality. Seeing moto falling apart, put other harsh feelings aside, one would definitely feel pity for this legend brand.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] TigerCourage:
Thing is, it's probably outside their control. Others don't have this amount of partnerships with carriers. Update was ready, release notes were up. Something really had to go wrong for them to back off. Company's chairman Sergio Burniac is not stupid, he took Motorola to success in Brazil. So obviously it's something that's not in their control. Probably the carriers not interested in investing money on a 2 year old device that didn't sell as expected because they didn't market it properly.

If Apple would have brought a shatterproof phone on the market, everyone including the carriers would have gone crazy and market it as the best thing ever since the mobile phone.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] wrenhal:
But really it's not that difficult for them to just slap their branding on. They take the modem driver and some pieces of software and add it to the package I mean this is one of the least branded phones that I've seen from a lot of carriers so there's really not a lot of software to worry about even. The reason Motorola has such a close relationship with the carriers is because Motorola does most of the research, development, and testing so the carriers don't have to.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] zureau:
Any hope for European retail versions of Z2F? (I have German one)
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] ram1894:
All unlocked versions outside US should get pie
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] Siminica:
let's hope it will be like that, but with this kind of "surprise announcements" from Motorola anything could happen and things might change from one day to another
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] TigerCourage:
Not really, it's probably the greedy carrier's fault. As long as you're unlocked, you'll be okay.

They have the update ready. Soaking normally in Brazil and everyone should recieve it soon.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] blckDTshadow:
[MENTION=4925358]zureau[/MENTION],

German motorola twitter support told me that this is only affecting us carriers. Other models should receive the update.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] henrywhtin:
Seems att version is the biggest victim

The others is either unlocked or officially supported....
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] AmoledLove:
Any idea why Android Pie release notes is missing from support pages, I know it's a different story with US models (a sad story though) but what's the point of removing the notes on other region portals? Just asking!
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] wrenhal:
T-Mobile's not unlocked and it's not supported either. I can't tell you about the Sprint version being unlocked or not but I know it's not supported either.

I personally wish that if they're going to go this route and not allow a second OS upgrade to a flagship device that they should unlock the bootloaders for us and allow us to install other ROMs.

With their lack of support it's not like they have to worry about us having issues and coming to Motorola with them.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] Uzephi:
You can unlock the bootloader for most T-Mobile models and all Sprint models
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] lchiu7:
Well I am currently running Oreo on my Sprint Z2 (unlocked and rooted) but with a version of the Pixel launcher and an older Nexus 6 running Pie (Nitrogen OS) also with a Pixel launcher. On the Z2 I am running a hacked version of the Pixel camera with Nightsight (which works pretty well)

I use the Z2 during the day as my daily driver and the N6 at home for reading mail, news, YouTube etc.

There doesn't appear to be much difference on the surface between the two OS' (I haven't turned on gestures in Pie). The main difference I do notice is pressing the task button on my the Z2 shows cascading windows while on the N6 it shows separate screen images of each running task (prefer this). And in GBoard on the N6 (which must be a Pie feature) pressing a character to edit brings up the magnifying glass (a la IOS) whereas on the Z2 is just positions the cursor which isn't as flexible. So while I am bummed Motorola appeared to have discarded all their users apart those on Verizon, I probably won't bother trying to flash LineageOS or some other ROM unless somebody comes up with a Pie ROM modified from an international release.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] 41rw4lk:
Good luck with that. The devs for our device all have US variants, besides what would you gain from an international base? Not like they're packing carrier bloat in there, it aosp and the flare that comes with that particular rom. Out of curiosity what is the package name of the modded camera you're using?
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] Taime:
i have verizon veriant z2 force .. can i receive pie update
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] 41rw4lk:
Be sure to spam this article wherever you like. I think it best sums up our feelings about being duped and hopefully Moto sees it everywhere.

https://www.androidcentral.com/motorola-has-let-me-down-last-time
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] allrightlite:
Just Verizon, no retail update? Ok, no problem. On this phone we can easly use official Lineage Pie version with pie blobs. So, keep smiling ;)
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] wrenhal:
Unless you have an AT&T variant. Left us high and dry.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] allrightlite:
I have take a look at the motorola page and for germany there the status is unchanged and pie is still promised, but not in roll out yet. So, nobody knows what happen. Two possibilities, it changed to canceld anytime or to roll out. We will see in the next weeks what's really happen.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] Julius96:
Non ti preoccupare che a quanto pare il problema esiste soltanto negli USA per colpa di verizon e noi in Europa non abbiamo questo problema perché non c'è verizon tra le balle ??
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] AmoledLove:
Promises are meant to be broken, who knows about the wrong turns! But on indian page it still says the device will get Pie, according to Motonovo or Lenovorola whatever it is, only verizon will taste Pie in the US and there's no update regarding other regions. So if everything goes fine, all retail units should get pie with july security patch or even later.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] Technical:
Give me a break:

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Motor...true-flagship-the-Moto-Z2-Force.426513.0.html

https://www.droid-life.com/2019/06/...update-for-t-mobile-sprint-att-moto-z2-force/

#MotorolaNeverMore
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] morr22066:
https://www.androidcentral.com/motorola-has-let-me-down-last-time

Excellent article that expresses my frustration with moto.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] TigerCourage:
It's probably the carrier's fault. The update was ready. It's also coming everywhere else (Latin America, Europe, India etc).
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] cloneman1:
I guess as long as we'll be able to flash it to our Sprint / TMO phones, it will work properly? The only people who are really SOL are the AT&T users
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] Siminica:
Sorry for asking but do you have some reliable info about this? because what's written on the Motorola support site for different countries might suffer over night sudden changes like US site did... I mean, in my personal opinion, until users from different world regions or at least one region of the world start confirming the roll out, we shouldn't have high expectations.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] TigerCourage:
What's the point then to deliver it to the Brazilian people only? And yeah, I have a friend who's a field trainer at Motorola Spain, he confirmed that the Z2 Force is getting Pie. These news sites are talking trash to spread hate towards Motorola like always (they used to do it even when Motorola was owned by Google). I'm 100% sure it was the carrier's fault for what happened in the US. They probably didn't like the deal Verizon had with the 5G mod and decided to ditch the update altogether.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] 41rw4lk:
It wasn't my carrier who said I wouldn't be getting pie, it was Moto. The carrier also says it's the oem who has the power to decide updates, however, it's kind of been a big circle jerk between the two to get a straight answer. I could understand one carrier opting out, but 3 out of 4 doesn't add up. As for the 5G mod... is it really a mod? Sounds like an old school cb antenna lol. Plus, how available is 5G? All in all it doesn't make much sense to split the update the way they did. No doubt Verizon gets it because of the mod (and most likely some contractual obligation), but other than that it's nonsense.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] henrywhtin:
Moto will release the update worldwide, and only some carrier model are not getting the update. It is obvious that the carriers have something to do with it.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] 41rw4lk:
Not trying to be an ass, but what's the obvious reason for it? To be honest the carriers nor the oem has offered a clear and valid reason. "It's complex" like tiny classified ads lol. +1 if you know the reference.

Not like the carriers had to do much, shove their **** bloatware on it and bam. Done.

All in all I really don't care. I've had pie for awhile now, but stock would have been nice since it was advertised. I like to get what I pay for. I don't buy things on a whim, I research. The only thing this has really done is solidify the fact that my upgrade will not be a moto phone. That's a shame too because the Z2 is a solid phone and I'm a moto fan. The AT&T variants really got boned in this deal.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] Technical:
No, I decided to buy a Motorola because of these sites. Motorola used to be good on updates and fulfilling its promises. These sites are all the media. Nobody acknowledges now that Motorola has any concern about updates (see also Moto Z4).

I'm not talking about somebody else's phone. I'm talking of the most expensive one at that time. #MotorolaNeverMore
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] TigerCourage:
Motorola's track record for updates was already crap before this phone was released. I bought this phone for the pure Android, Moto Actions, shatterproof screen, crazy fast processor and storage and Moto Mods. I knew they weren't going to be really good with updates. Anyway, just flash the unlocked version or the international version firmware when it's out and that's it. People who care about updates are also able to flash it with the international version anyway.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] Technical:
Sure, we bought for very different reasons, although I didn't know at that time they wouldn't be good at updates, on contrary.

And for sure I'll update the international version of Pie and then continue with Treble journey ahead.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] wrenhal:
Unless you have AT&T. I swear everybody just keeps forgetting about that fact.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] henrywhtin:
Brought it on the $99 deals, I guess that is the trade offs...