yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[FYT Android Head Units] surfer63:
I mentioned this quite some time back, based on issues that other users reported. I now have that same unit for 3 weeks and I'm really, really happy with it.

The only issue I have is that Google Assistant indeed doesn't dial out. That is a bummer, but no real problem for me as I hardly ever make calls during driving.

For the rest: This is the best unit I had so far.

Other issues might be real deal breakers for others, but not for me.

I hear users having issues with sound-systems on their unit. I have a straightforward audio-set in my car and I don't have issues or "hisses" with audio (and this could be due to grounding problems). For me it is better than the previous units.

If you use the color wheel to determine the colors of the button leds, you can't choose the brightest colors, but I don't care at all as I use "Skoda green" which is not in the brightest areas. (and is this really a deal breaker or does it simply become more "important", because it is annoying).

Bluetooth dialing is less clear at higher speeds, due to the fact that the builtin and external microphone don't have noise cancellling, but hey, these units costs 200-475 euros and not 1200 euros, and maybe with a noise cancelling external microphone (starting at 25 euros), it might be excellent. I hardly ever make calls.

Some users have issues with next/previous actions in Spotify, but that is really a Spotify issue, not a Joying issue (and other Chinese units have the same). Like mentioned in earlier topics: I do quite some travelling in quite some rental cars. I do not always use/test this, but until now I did not come accross a car that works correctly with Spotify (tested ~5 of approximately 10+ brands of middle-class rental cars).

And yes: The software can be improved, and even more modernised to use "Android Automotive". I did find Android Froyo (2.2) code/frameworks and "fixed to make it work on Android 8.1" Android Honeycomb (3.0) code/frameworks, but I have also seen very old coding "patched and fixed" for current/future android versions on the MTC models. I guess this is a low-margin market, where they (read: all) don't want to reinvent the wheel as long as they can make the "old stuff" work. Not one single brand, which I encountered so far, is using Android automotive, while all new units are on 8.x or newer.

W.r.t. Dasaita: Based on what I have read over the years, it seems to be the best Chinese brand from quality perspective, but it is also the most expensive Chinese brand: you pay a little more for (assumingly) a little more quality.

Conclusion: it is fully up to you. ;)

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Yes, that should be possible, but ask Joying to make sure.
[FYT Android Head Units] ricanxd:
I think it's the actual unit pushing out the higher res. I original purchased a QD unit by mistake. I must've gotten a defective unit because I had issues from the start. I ended up paying the difference and getting newer Intel version. I only returned the main board. I kept the screen and they sent me the newer chassis. Used the same screen and getting higher resolution on it.
[FYT Android Head Units] surfer63:
You are right. Maybe I answered too fast and was not complete enough. But they have the 1280x720 screens which also work with all (the latest) firmwares (9853i 1024X600 800X480 1280X720 2019.9.17.zip), so (I assumed) Android would auto-detect which screen is connected.

But that's also why I said to contact Joying.
[FYT Android Head Units] ricanxd:
Hopefully he can just swap the screen. Like you said only they would know for sure.
[FYT Android Head Units] hugorafael:
Just out of curiosity, my model has a fan, does Joying model have one too?
[FYT Android Head Units] Crimson Flam3s:
Anyone figured a way to connect usb snes like controllers and getting the HU to recognize it? Only my ps4 controller works
[FYT Android Head Units] lalit1:
Thanks alot for the update, i am buying Dasaita this time. Hope i can find expert forum for Dasaita also like we have this for joying.

Thanks a lot for the feedback.

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One question, can you suggest external mic with noise cancellation, any model on AliExpress.com? Thanks in advance. assuming Dasaita will also have bluetooth problem, i will connect external mic.
[FYT Android Head Units] surfer63:
Once you have your Dasaita you should hop over to the MTC sub-forums as Dasaita is MTCD/E.

I assume all those Chinese units have the exact same jack-plug connection, but I actually do not know. You better check that first.
[FYT Android Head Units] le_p:
Thanks ricanxd, surfer63 - appreciate your help.

I've contacted Joying and they said that I can replace my 8" with the 10.1" 720p screen, but will require a "system update" - Based on this, I have just ordered the 10.1" screen.
[FYT Android Head Units] yzf750:
So on Joyings website the latest firmware it says to check your MCU version. It says if its G32 you have the old MCU version, and to use the file to update it . Mine still says MCU G32 after flashing and not G23 which Joying says is the newer version. Shouldn't the new firmware update your MCU version?
[FYT Android Head Units] julien_blanche:
next time try quote only necessary lines that way we can keep the thread clean...
[FYT Android Head Units] ricanxd:
Joying uses heat sinks
[FYT Android Head Units] surfer63:
I have the last 4 firmwares on my server: the 12 june, 21 june, 14 August and 17 September. The June versions come without MCU binary. The 14 Aug and 17 Sept come with the exact same MCU binary. The MCU that Joying mentions should be on older firmwares.

My unit came with the 14 Aug firmware which I updated to the 17 Sept one. It does have the version 32 (see attached image).

The lsec6521update should "auto"flash the MCU binary when it finds it on the sd-card/usb-stick

Like I described in my Q&A post ;), you could try to only flash the MCU.

It is the second last topic.

EDIT: Wait a second. Is G32 older than G23??? What kind of logic is Joying/FYT using?

Edit 2: Just downloaded the 19 May, 3 April and 29 March versions. The May version has no MCU binary, the April version has an MCU binary and it is indeed different from the Aug/Sept one..
[FYT Android Head Units] lemnad:
Both of mine (different models) use a micro sim.
[FYT Android Head Units] merdok:
I am currently on 1.19 build. I have kind of left well enough alone. I lost ability to mix Spotify and GMaps (music and Navi) Is there anything I should be aware of making large jumps in firmware going to 9.17?

I am on JY_53 mcu
[FYT Android Head Units] yzf750:
Yes according to Joyings website the G32 is older and the G23 is newer from how they have it worded on the website. Again after flashing the latest firmware my MCU remains at the older G32. Could this be a cause of google assistant not making calls? That the MCU isnt updating to the newer one with there newest firmware update.
[FYT Android Head Units] surfer63:
I asked the same thing to Joying. It seems this G23 is a newer MCU firmware for units that have slightly different hardware. All current models running the 19 September firmware are on G32 and can't even go to G23.

So what they mean is that if your unit has a G32 MCU, you "need" to upgrade using the 2019-09-17 firmware but it will stay on G32.

If you have a unit running the G23 MCU firmware, you should not use the 2019-09-17 firmware, because you will install wrong MCU firmware.

So yes: the G23 is newer MCU firmware, but we can not upgrade as it is not suitable for our units.

You (and me) will stay on G32 (at least for now).

So I guess they might have mis-informed you. Their "Chinglish" is sometimes hard to understand.

I do not think the Google Assistant problems are MCU related.

I had it running right out of the box on the 14-08 firmware. After a week or so I upgraded to the 19 September firmware, using the same MCU. Again it worked right out of the box. But only for a few days.

I think it has something to do with underlying frameworks or libraries.

You have to install the google app (with the Google assistant activity). That uses the "google partner" and "google services" framework. These get updated from the play store without the underlying "system software" being upgraded.

Tonight I will remove all data and cache from (what I think) relevant frameworks and apks, and try again.

If that doesn't help, I will set play store upgrades to manual. Then stop both mentioned frameworks and set them back to the original versions, reboot, and try Google Assistant again.

We will see.
[FYT Android Head Units] yzf750:
I figured that the airmont units made after sept 10 had different hardware and Joyings not going to tell anyone why or whats different over the units sold before sept 10 . I had asked the question in post #1200, and you had replied that all the units have the same hardware. Its hard to get any info or real help from joying, that's the frustrating part. Joying told me in an email today after asking about G32 vs G23 that my unit is correct with G32 since it was boughta few months ago and not after sept 10.

The last email I received from them they want me to take a video of me showing them that google assistant is not making calls. They said it will help them figure out why. This tells me that multiple people have this problem. Really? What good is that going to do over telling them via email that its not making calls. Its giving them zero information on the problem other then it exists.

I admire and appreciate your time spent trying to solve this, but Joying is the one that should be spending the time to fix it right since they know there is a problem with assistant calling and on some of their airmont units. I too figure its something with googles software and their firmware that's messing up.
[FYT Android Head Units] surfer63:
They always ask for videos. Probably because their English is not good enough. I assume that from their point it is the best approach, but to us it seems so useless and very time consuming.

When I write to them it is always Mandy. From the replies it is clearly to see that multiple persons reply based on the quality of the English used.

The problem is that they are only one of the resellers. If we had a direct entry to FYT via someone fluent in Chinese, we might get somewhere.

Actually I hardly ever call from the car (safety, you know ;)), but it annoys me that it doesn't work.
[FYT Android Head Units] hugorafael:
Hmm my unit it not a Joying, its an Aikon Atom nade by Zhan and sold only in the brazilian market, but the guts are pretty much the same.

I managed to get in touch with the guys from Aikon who sells this unit in brazil and asked for a firmware, the guy wouldnt give it to me until I provided a serial number so he could check when the unit was made.

Now that you mentioned it, it makes sense, 2 different version of the hardware was sold as the same product.

Here are the firmwares he provides with a little guide:

STEP 1
https://aikonmultimidia-my.sharepoint.com/:u:/g/personal/suporte_aikonmultimidia_onmicrosoft_com/EaUy5NzrLxNGgMADwgThIzcBtkqpP-YHMPmKOFjlLqB8LA?e=7a8vnD

STEP 2
https://aikonmultimidia-my.sharepoint.com/:u:/g/personal/suporte_aikonmultimidia_onmicrosoft_com/ER-BlRrf8wVAngVTu7T1myABcG-hhIaBfcje7NfwTJzlhQ?e=fDoaS4

Atualização Atom
1 - Download the file
2 - Extract and copy to the root of a FAT32 clean flash drive
4 - Insert the flash drive on the unit
5 - Follow the procedure that will show up on the screen
6 - Repeat the process for step 2
[FYT Android Head Units] yzf750:
I sent them a long video showing it says "google can not make calls at this time". I also included video shots of my "about" showing the mcu version ..etc. And showing my phone as being paired along with the play store showing all google products are up to date. Cant wait to see what ridiculous question they ask for in the next email back :)
[FYT Android Head Units] surfer63:
Too bad. That didn't help.
[FYT Android Head Units] yzf750:
It least they acknowledged there is a problem after watching my video today I sent them. They emailed back and said they would send me a fix as soon as they can find and correct the problem. Guess you have to give them props for trying. I also have the no audio issue that was suppose to be resolved according to the notes on the new firmware. Google will reply to certain things asked but not other things. For example before the update I could say "whats the weather" and it would reply to me using googles voice. Now it just opens the browser and displays it. Navigation questions still reply via voice however.
[FYT Android Head Units] thierry34:
someone knows what are these apps ? (in the skipkillapp.prop files).

com.mapgoo.diruite=5

com.mapgoo.diruite:remote=5

is "remote" for the blue cable? 5 for 5 minutes ?????
[FYT Android Head Units] merdok:
I realize I got the mcu number wrong when glanced at it based on recent posts. The current build is designed for my g32 mcu. I assume this means significant changes.

Been playing with swapping engine in car as hobby for a while and time consuming. Keeping up on this got back burnered.

I have back read a lot of posts, but could not could not determine if was any required hoops or shortcomings from going from 1.19 build to current.

I read of dpi change issues. I do have dpi altered (everything larger) from Joying Tools forget the number. Is important for me that not a strain to see, bt no so much. It is only the music /Navi mixer that stopped working for me or would continue on.

Any warnings or suggestions?
[FYT Android Head Units] Jas0n88:
Hi guys,

I have Joying 4/64 Androit 8.1 with SRC button on the left, is it possible to assign this button to other app like PowerAmp ?

Thanks
[FYT Android Head Units] thierry34:
i updated to the september firmware. for instance, google assistant works makes phone calls .

i noticed the main change was for the turn off on the remote cable. since i had this unit, remote turn off about 5 minutes. with september firmware ,it was about 30 seconds. it's better for my car batteries !!!!! : o: o to confirm !!!

i'll update allapp file for the color button and skipkillapp.prop file to no kill tasker ... to be continued...:):)
[FYT Android Head Units] edcam33:
Where do you get the file allapp from for the color correction for the side buttons ?
[FYT Android Head Units] thierry34:
you can read from the post 1181 . you must extract allapp file, replace the color wheel and repack .
[FYT Android Head Units] Dvd64:
No matter which setting I choose for "Backlight Control", the button leds never work

Hi do you have find a solution for the led problem ?

G23 and

I have same problem when headlight on : screen dimming : ok , but for the button : led never work

thank you:good:
[FYT Android Head Units] surfer63:
No, not yet.
[FYT Android Head Units] Dvd64:
Ok ?
[FYT Android Head Units] hillbicks:
Anybody knows if I have to install each firmware update in released order? I'm currently still on the april firmware and just tried to install the latest firmware which unfortunately doesn't work. package is detected, HU reboots but the firmware doesn't change and I'm presented with the "upgraded package detected" pop up again once the HU has rebooted. And then the cycle continues. I was hoping to use the september one directly so I wouldn't have to reinstall all my apps.
[FYT Android Head Units] djdwest:
I went from February or something, straight to the latest. It worked for me
[FYT Android Head Units] surfer63:
That is correct. All Joying firmwares are full firmwares. They do not do "partial" or OTA updates.
[FYT Android Head Units] gtxaspec:
FYT doesn't deal with anyone who doesn't have a current reseller contract with them. you will get no where contacting them. we have tried. your best bet is dealing with the reseller and having them send feedback to FYT
[FYT Android Head Units] hellkaim:
Exactly. So could you please share the contacts for me to enquire reseller T&C them?
[FYT Android Head Units] hillbicks:
extracted files were corrupted on the USB stick. copied the files again and then it worked. One question about the update remains. They stated on the website that apps that were installed by the user would not be deleted, which is technically true, but I lost all settings. Is this normal behaviour or a result of the big jump in firmware versions that I made.
[FYT Android Head Units] surfer63:
you have to make a distinction: for users who do not know how it works and for users who do know how it works, but the functionality is bugged.

for me and a few others it is a bug in the firmware that it does not function on our models. That is what I have communicated to Joying.

Time based works, by headlights it simply doesn't work even though the orange ILLUM cable is correctly connected.

If it works OK for you, then enjoy :)

Again: be happy :)

It does not work for me. And if Google Assistant is offline, it does not work at all (for me), because it mentions that it is offline and needs an internet connection. It does not function for calls or anything else (starting apks for example). And please note that I do use Google Contacts. I even reported that a number of posts back based on the experience (my own and others) on the Sofia 3GR and PX5 models having likewise issues.

It also means that the firmwares are not consistent over all hardware, even though the hardware is actually 95% identical over all FYT units. It did work for me and on some day it didn't work anymore. It means that "something" gets corrupted, most possibly due to indirect factors otherwise all users would have this.

We have seen many times on the Sofia and PX5 models that you really need to wipe everything on every flash as quite often settings got corrupted. The 2019-09-17 does not wipe settings and data either (as Joying proudly pronounces). I'm afraid the upgrade process with regard to settings is still not stable. To test that I need to reflash and make sure I add "twipe_data" to the "updatecfg.txt" and try again, but I actually don't want to.
[FYT Android Head Units] hellkaim:
So you have Google text-to-speach installed and your preferred language downloaded? In case you do not have it installed and configured Assistant will complain about internet.

I am not blaming or pushing the meter. It was not me complaining. I just share my own issues and experience.

Regarding wiping settings and other data my unit came with this firmware from them, so I did not flash anything.

I hope that clears the situation.

PS. As for all interested - go for teyes cc2 units. IMHO currently the mist stable ones and has much better support/accessories.
[FYT Android Head Units] surfer63:
Joying, Funrover, Zhan, Witson and others are resellers. You have at least joyings contact detailss. [MENTION=520205]gtxaspec[/MENTION], myself and others are already dealing with Joying for over 3 years. Do you really think we did not try this?

I am also on a German board (occasionally. I am Dutch). There was one Chinese guy who directly knew someone from FYT (SYU actually, which was bought by FYT), and being Chinese, was fluent in Chinese: Even that did not work.

So, you can inquire Joying as you have their details already.

I really hope you are successful (and that is not meant sarcastically)
[FYT Android Head Units] hellkaim:
Ok, thanks. As I said I'll try to partner with FYT/SYU directly.
[FYT Android Head Units] surfer63:
Of course I have Google TTS installed with unique and combined installs of the Dutch language, US English and UK English, to test all possibilities. If not for calling I use Google TTS for other apks as well like Navigation apps.

And with regard to not flashing: That is exactly what I mean: it is not stable. for me it worked fine, right out of the box, on the 14 august firmware. I flashed it to 17 September one week later and it continued to work for a few days and then completely stopped. And with working, I mean without GA offline/online settings and without the need to use Google contacts.

I am grateful for your analysis as it might help others and I really do think it can help others. Especially because "something" is not stable and consistent in these units. Your way of working might work for others as well, but it does not for me.

I did test all this, and actually more like wiping cache and/or data for relevant used frameworks in the process, and stopping/replacing frameworks and apps to get back to a "factory default" unit. I simply can't get it to work.

(and of course I can make mistakes as well. I do it all the time ;), but mostly I detect it before others do.)
[FYT Android Head Units] hellkaim:
As you can imagine I assume the basic level of the opponent even knowing you are about development or at least a pro-user. So forgive me for stupid suggestions or similar behavior - it is just a manner of speaking with John Doe on the forum.

You are right, I am addressing Joying directly, with more or less same result. If it could be possible to get needed driver and server apk to incorporate it in vanilla (?) build of android with minimal footprint of Joying staff it might solve a lot of issues.

As I see it now, there are some customs here and there in android build working on HU with addition in slight hardware and MCU difference making it almost impossible to debug this thing using info from.other users.
[FYT Android Head Units] surfer63:
Sorry for being a little agitated :)
[FYT Android Head Units] gtxaspec:
if you know mandarin, bottom right of page.

https://web.archive.org/web/20170612014218/http://www.carsql.com/
[FYT Android Head Units] hellkaim:
Thanks, Will ask my friend to contact them.
[FYT Android Head Units] yokala:
Has anyone had trouble with the ''set screen'' settings ? Out of the box, the screen colors were fine but I clicked the ''set screen'' setting (without knowing what this option was) and it washed out all the colors, the is only 2 sliders and whatever I try it's looking terrible... Is there a way to reset this parameter from factory ?

I tried reflashing the ROM but it has no effect.
[FYT Android Head Units] hellkaim:
I remember it is a "dual option" option i.e. there is another manu entry with additional settings. I will check and edit the post later.
[FYT Android Head Units] yokala:
Oh really ? I haven't seen that
[FYT Android Head Units] hellkaim:
Sorry, it took me a bit long :)

Settings > Factory > Set screen

Settings > Factory > video output settings

Hope that helps.
[FYT Android Head Units] bengali548:
Hello all

I wanted to ask if anyone could suggest a good method to auto hide the status bar. I have an app the does it but it gets reset upon startup
[FYT Android Head Units] tinOFbeer:
adb shell settings put global policy_control immersive.status=*
[FYT Android Head Units] Jas0n88:
please help, I want to update firmware from Aug to Sep version

I used new formatted usb with FAT32, copy all file to root... here is the screen after I plug the usb storage

It stuck on that screen, even when I turn off the car key it still show that screen

what should I do ?

Thank You

Edit: I hard reset the unit with a paperclip, now it back to normal ..
[FYT Android Head Units] blue_one:
Hi, i have a 10 inch joying intel head unit now and came from an ownice c500. The ownice had the possibility to set a constant volume for the navi app. The joying only has this “balance mixer“ which causes the navi voice is not loud enough when the overall system volume is set to a low value. Also on the ownice you could change the voice volume with the volume buttons when the navi was speaking - fully independent from the other sources. Any idea if this behavior is achievable on the Intel unit?
[FYT Android Head Units] andTab:
I had the same issue. For some reason my unit refuses to update from SD card.

I actually had to use a USB stick via the USB ports in the back - then everything worked fine: both the update and rooting.

Does anyone else have an issue that the wifi speed, especially for Google Play, Google Maps, Waze is atrociously slow?

It takes 30-60 minutes to download 60MB.