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[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] tiongti:
unfortunately this method does go in my case. Tried to reinstall whole system PPX29.159-23 for my reteu XT1789-6 from LMSA twice. When acticved airplane mode overnight and deactived next morning, obviously the wifi drop happened again. So far, either reboot or never activation of airplane mode are the only solution for this issue. very disappointed with Z2 firmware and Moto.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] Nemnos:
The WLan Problems hit me again after disable and enable WLan or Flight Mode. Only way to fix it is a reboot of the device.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] Dany XP:
I've been rocking with Lineage 16 for a while now but just to double check...

I have a tmo variant: there isn't still a way to flash any stock pie rom in our phone without messing with imei and baseband? Not even mixing stock room + tmo modem.img?
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] allrightlite:
Ok, I'm on PPX29.159-19 reteu on both slots and LOS16 and I hope that there are no wifi issues. Not tested yet this scenario. On stock Pie I missed the nav bar, so no way, LOS16 needed.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] gyarados025:
Are you able to install LOS 16 on the Pie bootloader..? If yes then what all steps did you follow
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] Dany XP:
Nobody on T-Mobile?
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] allrightlite:
Flashall, boot to Pie one time and then LOS16 normally. But it wasn't easy. Here goes everything wrong. It was more luck. Baseband was lost, too. Please ask a person, which better know what they do.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] morr22066:
T-Mobile pie?

I'm on Metro / T-Mobile and I've been checking the forum every couple weeks and haven't seen anything yet. I am still hoping a dev will be able to modify the Verizon pie or EU pie to work with T-Mobile. I will probably wait until around the the first of the year and if there is still nothing I may try LOS.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] Dany XP:
I gave up yesterday. I moved to Los 16. After 48 hours...no regrets at all
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] 41rw4lk:
Ideally we all hoped that we'd be able to put together a package that would give TMO full pie, but that's not the case obviously. The VZW pie firmware everyone had high hope for, it is a US carrier and probably one of the most complete firmwares to drop, but it just didn't contribute the way we all had hoped. IMO I think Moto knew we'd all be clamoring for these and stitched us up a little bit. If you've noticed the forums are littered with lost baseband/imei post and pie problems to boot. I think Moto wants to be done with this phone and want us to buy something new. That's just my opinion.

If you're on TMO and want pie, the safest and best bet is Dirty Unicorns or Lineage OS. I've been running DU for a year now, and NPJohnson has gone out of his way to make Los a great alternative to stock. He's gone out of his way to make sure we have a lot of things for our phone honestly. If there ever become a way to have stock pie for TMO besides a hybird, there will be a post I'm sure. I'm not a fan of the hybrid pie because for one, it's not any different than the custom roms we've had for awhile now, and two, it's too easy for someone to flash the wrong bits and leave them stuck with nothing.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] quadcrap1:
I have a Z2 Force, Sprint version, that I have been using for about a year on T-Mobile with a hybrid Oreo rom (mostly T-Mobile, a few files from Oreo Sprint, including the modem). It works perfectly.

I tried installing a hybrid Pie rom on the same phone for T-Mobile. There were two deal breaker issues for me: 1) though the phone said it was VoLTE provisioned, I only got 3G data while on a call and 2) I suffered the same WiFi drop problem that everyone else has reported with the Z2 Force Pie rom.

So after a few days of this, I reverted back to Oreo and I'm happy. Since none of the alternate roms (Lineage etc) work 100% (i.e. issues with VoLTE, Visual Voice Mail or other stuff) I am happy to stay on Oreo.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] urbex:
I've been thinking the same thing....which is why I've been looking really hard at a new Pixel 3 for the last couple of days, and I've only had this Z2 for 8 months...even though the Pixel 3 really isn't much of an upgrade. The whole experience with this thing has me ready to use it as a target for my 12 gauge.

Now I'm just wondering if I should snatch up the 3 now, or wait to see if it drops in price more when the 4 drops in a couple weeks, lol.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] quadcrap1:
I have the Pixel 3a and the Z2 force, among others.

The Pixel 3a has an appreciably better camera, but otherwise the experience on the 3a isn't notably better. And the Z2 Force with the wireless charging battery pack gets a LOT more runtime on a full charge. So I prefer the Z2 Force except where I am taking pictures in difficult situations (low light or where the superior image stabilization is important).
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] urbex:
I couldn't even begin to care less about the camera on the phones. I intentionally bought phones without cameras until it was no longer an option, and even now, the only thing I ever do with a phone camera is snap off a shot of something like a price or item info I want to save for later, or how something goes together before I pull it apart. A 3MP camera does that just fine for me, and anything more is useless.

Best hardware in the world is also useless with piss poor software support, and that's what we got from Motorola. The LOS guys have done an awesome job with what they had to work with, but even considering that, the battery mods are a kludge at best in the ROMs. The aftermarket battery cases that jack into the USB port on other phones work far better, such as the 6,500Mah Zerolemon battery case I had my 1st gen Pixel in (though what I REALLY miss is the 10,000Mah Zerolemon battery in the Note 3...ahh, the good ol' days of user replaceable batteries, lol)

My JBL speaker is useless on anything but npjohnson's unofficial build, and there's other stuff in the build that's crippled enough to make it not really usuable for me.

Honestly though, the biggest thing that's kept me on the Z2 is that I have one of the Incipio car docks in 6 of my vehicles, and the only other thing that I've found that even comes close to how awesome those things work is the ProClip docks...and then I'm talking almost another $600 on top of the phone to refit all the cars with new docks, and I'm back to running on Bluetooth for audio....which I absolutely hate doing.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] Nemnos:
Android reports still 1. July 19 with the build just the Kernel Build Date is now September.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] j.p.m:
In my case with the PPX29-159.23 version I have no problem with Wi-Fi connections. Perhaps it is because after updating via OTA to this version reinstall, from scratch, this version with the intelligent assistant of lenovo (the LMSA).

If you have read the thread a little, you will have found that there are users who still suffer from wifi disconnections, although to a lesser extent with the first version of android 9, the PPX29-159.19.

I hope that with the new version, the PPX29-159-24, this problem and others will definitely be solved.

By the way I confirm the news you have read, we have a new version of android 9 for the Moto Z2 Force, the PPX29-159.24. Version received late yesterday on my Moto Z2 retained
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] Nemnos:
My wlan troubles after airplane mode/disable and enable wifi are with the new patch gone :good:. The only thing that i could criticize now is that they didn't apply the new android fixes :(
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] j.p.m:
If this update is very suspicious since they have not applied any of the security patches that have existed since last July. I fear the worst of Motorola .......

By the way I have noticed a very strange thing in my terminal after updating to this new version. On the bootloader screen it tells me that the baseband "is not found", something really strange because my terminal works perfectly with data network, with Wi-Fi and with bluethoot and it shows me perfectly the two IMEI's.

Can you tell me if the same thing happens on the bootloader screen?
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] Nemnos:
I can confirm that is does show baseband: <not found> in the bootloader

And about Motorola, since Lenovo bought them is not the same anymore and patches comes late. i just brought my phone because it was cheap and its supported by Lineage OS.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] j.p.m:
Thanks [MENTION=5722635]Nemnos[/MENTION] for confirming that in the bootloader screen the baseband appears as "not found".

I still resist with the stock versions of motorola. When the Motorola / Lenovo support is over (I'm afraid it will be soon, very soon) I will surely switch to Linage OS.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] Nemnos:
As far as i know we are now EOL since the Pie Upgrade
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] Dany XP:
Exactly the 2 reasons why I bought mine. It was just 129 pounds brand new, I said "eh what the hell..."
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] gburas:
i have also baseband not found, but..... :

i have same problem with wifi as others, and i could not update to 159-24 from -23, so i have used LMSA (lenovo moto service assistant app) - somebody said that this resolved his problem, but after upgrade to -24 i also have baseband not found, and LMSA don`t recognize phone anymore (i want to flash twice - desperate fix for wlan), i have not tested wifi yet but i`m afraid if this baseband will generate more problems with updates
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] j.p.m:
Thanks for your answer [MENTION=2314782]gburas[/MENTION].

I hope that soon they solve this problem that they have created in the bootloader of the terminal thanks to this new OTA that they have sent us.

The same thing happens to me and the LMSA does not work because it cannot find the baseband. The only thing you can do is from the mirror.lolinet web download the PPX29.259-24 version for your region (the Retail version is available) and install via fastboot commands.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] Nemnos:
LMSA works for me. And the PC App also Detects my device. Both Are tested with the USB Connection. Did you flash another Stock Rom maybe?
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] 41rw4lk:
Typically baseband issues are resolved by flashing the correct firmware for your variant, then doing a factory reset from the recovery. The key point is the factory reset from recovery. I'm not sure what is special about it, but Uzephi pointed it out and it has been true in many cases.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] j.p.m:
No, do not install any stock from another region by fastboot. Simply install the OTA I received. It is more before installing this OTA I connected to the LMSA and downloaded the full version PPX29.159-24 since I had it available.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] gburas:
hi,

i still have problem with wifi, does anybody knew or have tutorial how to downgrade to oreo (I know I will lose the warranty)?
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] allrightlite:
I had problems, too. On Oreo there I had problems with bluetooth. Now on Pie Modem, bootloader and Pie (here Lineage OS 16) all problems are gone. No Wifi problems, here. So, downgrade is maybe not the best choice.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] gburas:
I had no problems on oreo, I used linage (Cyanogen) on my older phones and there always was something missing, so I am wondering how it is now.

From the other hand maybe I will try to install linage and then go back to stock pie, maybe this will help

Wysłane z mojego Moto Z (2) przy użyciu Tapatalka
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] j.p.m:
Also I still have small disconnections with the Wi-Fi with this latest version and it has not helped me to reinstall the modem. With the previous version (the PPX29.159-23) the wifi worked perfectly and had no disconnections.

Have if in a next OTA this is solved once and for all ....
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] allrightlite:
Systemwide Dark Mode is part of Android Q. Just with custom roms you can have it with Pie. I have LOS16 installed to fix the bluetooth issues (on 8.0 connection fails often and reconnected again. Thought my bluetooth earphones would be broken, but indeed Oreo was the problem). So, this issues will be fixed with official Moto Pie, too :o
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] pooyab:
by "native dark mode in some parts" I mean dark quick settings, pop ups... and it's available on Pie. not systemwide dark mode of course :)

about the LOS16 I tried that and as expected, mods had many issues. so waiting for official pie seems the better choice to me...

btw the leaks about Z4 specs is a good sign regarding mods development. in 2016 Lenovo had said these mods would be compatible with three generations, but Z4 seems to have the same form factor and pin arrangement as current models.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] djvita:
unpopular opinion maybe, but im fine with 8.0'; substratum works w/out root and mods work, and pie is a downgrade in some ways from oreo. if anything, its time for an upgrade and i am waiting on the z4 (855 ver) so that the current mods work, come with pie installed and has all the moto features. my plan is up for renewal in dec enough time for the price to drop and see if moto updates to Q the latest devices.

all in all i'm in no rush to get an update

https://i.imgur.com/2o1UkeR.jpg
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] VzQzZ:
I don't really feel the need to upgrade. Snap 835 + 6GB RAM still fly's through everything I throw in it. Specially now that I'm not playing games that much anymore, mostly DS Pokemon/simple casual games. I'm also trying to keep my phone as minimalist as possible, from amount of apps/games to usage of the device itself, as I'm spending too much time fooling around and not focusing on what I really need to do.

Honestly I think more about downgrading. Like selling this phone, picking a mid range from Xiaomi and then saving the money for something else.

I have two friends that have a Redmi Note 6 Pro and Note 7 and while the Z2F is obviously faster, the difference in daily usage is pretty minimal. I have used the Note 6 Pro for a couple days to setup everything to my friend and I have to say that I've enjoyed using it more than I like my Z2F for normal tasks/daily usage. Battery life is insane, the screen is bigger and more immersive (bit worse obviously, but nothing deal breaker), I personally like most of MIUI features and still has audio jacket + IR Blaster.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] TigerCourage:
I'm using a Z³ Play until Pie comes to the Z2 Force. Got it on Amazon Germany for a crazy 249€ price with a style shell and a power pack mod included. Can't tell the difference in performance in day to day tasks.

If you want something good and cheap without missing on the Moto gestires I suggest the Moto G7 Power, it's super fast and battery life is from another world.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] Ace42:
Oreo isn't bad. But if battery is "great" on Oreo, I'd rate it superb - if not best in class on Pie. Every phone I've used on 8.x benefitted from 9.0 - incl my z2F. The newer adreno/vulkan drivers are welcomed too.

This is the last screenshot I took from mine a few weeks ago on LOS16; data only. Official Pie should be close in stats. Side note. Stock z2F is on 8.0, so the minimum API is lower than that of 8.1.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] waj1234:
Forgot it was on 8.0. I am not an heavy user now and rarely play games on a phone so battery life is good.

Sure it will be even better on pie though but doubt I will notice that much. My wife has my op6 with pie and I still prefer the Z2F.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] VzQzZ:
Damn, that was a steal! Really crazy deal haha. Unfortunately I live in Brazil and smartphones are so overpriced due to our insane taxes and greed of companies.

I've just googled the lowest price of Z3 Play, without any mods.. well, it's the equivalent to 430 USD.

G7 Power seems to be a pretty nice day-to-day phone, but once again, it's very overpriced here and costs like 360 USD. I don't think both phones are worth that amount of money. I could get much better Xiaomi phones for less.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] TigerCourage:
Wow wtf, G7 Power here the 4/64GB version is 209€. It's cheap. Just finished setting it up for a customer and it's fast as f*ck due to that lower res screen (looks pretty good though!) Battery didn't even drop 1% while I was setting it up and adding her apps on!! HAHAHA insane
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] VzQzZ:
Damn, I envy you so much hahaha. Forgot to tell that 360 USD is for the 3/32 version here. The 4GB variant was released yesterday here, for 30 USD more.

G7 Power seems to be one the greatest options for casual/light users. CPU power is good enough and GPU can handle some simple games. Plus that infinite battery life.

I believe that like 90% ~ 95% of people don't really need anything more powerful than Snap 632/636 or 660. I guess that neither do I these days..
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] VzQzZ:
Seems like Moto failed it's promise to release Pie in Q1 2019..

I'm kinda feeling the next update will be just a security patch once again and Pie will only be the May/June update.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] Elpidio:
as I have said in my post #67, it's not coming, i'm not counting on it. so I need to get real and back to my fruits, last Motorola I'll ever buy
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] lchiu7:
I paid US$160 for my Z2 so I am pretty happy with it. It took a bit of work to unlock it from Sprint and now since it's rooted I have to run Magisk etc. to be able to use Google Pay which is a bit of a hassle. It's stuck on Android 8.0 as most people have noted. I also have a Nexus 6 which is running Android 9 via Nitrogen OS. It's still very snappy and even though it's rooted it also can do Google Pay via Magisk. In fact when I am at home I tend to use the N6 more for general surfing, reading mail etc. over the Z2 since it has a bigger screen. What I can't do on my N6 is SMS and Wechat since they are locked to the SIM card. I would make the N6 my daily driver (it's fast enough) apart from it not having a finger print reader which I really do like.

Comparing Android 8 versus Android 9 I don't see much difference perhaps because I am running the Pixel 2 launcher on the N6. The aspect of 9 I do like is when you press the show tasks button, it shows each running window in full, rather than in a stack which makes it easier to see what's going on in other windows (or is that a Nitrogen OS enhancement?)
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] VzQzZ:
It's coming. We will definitely get it. We are only having to wait forever..

I talked to Moto Support a few days ago and they confirmed it's coming. Yes, it's taking too long, but it's coming. I posted the SS a few posts back..
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] Technical:
It's a joke... They used to be a good manufacturer to release updates. I lost my confidence in so-called Moto flagships.

I won't recommend it anymore to anybody...
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] allrightlite:
I love the Z2 Force. There was just one problem: Stock oreo without good support. The only way to be happy at this moment is really to use los16. This, or you have to wait forever. Normally it's better on moto phones, but the Z2 has no 8.1. That was a bad decision from motorola. Hope update comes fast. Should come in this days, normally.

And if it just a security update, oh god. That would be terrible. If so, we see it in sommer...
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] TigerCourage:
Because a 2 year old phone is taking a bit longer for the update? Give me a break, it's still a super phone, hasn't slowed down like all Samsungs do and the update will make it even better when it arrives.

The Z3 got updated to Pie yesterday with support for the 5G Moto Mod: https://www.droid-life.com/2019/04/02/moto-z3-android-pie-update-with-5g-support-is-here/

It's coming!
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] VzQzZ:
Actually Pie for Z3 is available since mid December. I remember I saw a XDA news about it.

I agree that Z2F is still a awesome phone and fast as day one, but what bothers me and the rest of the community is that it's behind other 2 years old competitors..

I mean we don't have the greatest design, the greatest camera.. We bought Z2F for it's performance and stockish Android experience/reliable updates.

Oreo is working quite good to me, can't deny that, but there's some bugs since it was released and after a whole year haven't been fixed.

I don't hate Z2F or Moto/Lenovo, I just think their support for Z series is not what would you expect for a flagship device.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] TigerCourage:
That OTA got paused for some reason. It started again yesterday and today.

Unlocked RETEU Z3 Play is also getting Pie starting today: https://xdaforums.com/z3-play/how-to/android-9-0-pie-rolling-germany-t3917758

So yeah, next and last is the Z2 series.

I agree they were slow, but if that takes for a almost bugfree and super stable last update for this phone, so be it. Z³ Play runs great on Pie, this phone is gonna be a champ.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] manuap:
dose the moto z2f support project treble?
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] VzQzZ:
Unfortunately not. I guess that's why Pie is taking so long too. If I'm not mistaken, treble support is mandatory for Pie.

We have A/B partions, seamless updates but no Treble support. Moto is weird...
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] allrightlite:
Not with stock, but if you install los16 you have it. The oem/vendor partition will be used as treble partition.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] TigerCourage:
Official treble support is only for phones that were released with Android Oreo, this phone got released with Nougat.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] VzQzZ:
Yes, I know. But Moto could bring support with a update. Like OnePlus did with OP5. It was originally released with Nougat, justk like Z2F, and then was updated to support Project Treble.

It falls back to what I've said before.. Moto doesn't bring anything special to their flagships. It's an awesome phone, but doesn't have the support its deserve.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] TigerCourage:
OnePlus have only 2 phones per year so it's understandable that they can offer better support... I didn't buy this for support anyway, I bought it for stock Android, super slim design, shatterproof screen, super fast performance, daydream and moto mods support.

No other phone 2 years later in 2019 can brag about this.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] manuap:
will they release open beta (or something) before the roll out?
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] VzQzZ:
There is probably a soak test rolling through selected people from MFN program. Selected testers can't share any info, so that's why we don't hear anything about it. That's what I expect at least.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] VzQzZ:
Seems like Pie Soak Test is rolling out to Z2 Play. Just saw this post on a Facebook group. He received an email by Moto inviting him to test Pie on his Z2 Play.

I believe that if Z2P is already getting soak test, the update for Z2F should be ready for final release or at least close.

I guess the next update is finally Pie. Let's hope.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] TigerCourage:
Slowly getting there!
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] _ghiottone:
Yes, soak test is probably starts now. There is a tweet - first i doubt it, but i read the post you shared.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] Danilo_Pascal:
Soak test started in Brazil for z2p
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] manuap:
so normally how many days will they take to test it and then release?
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] XxLowRiderxX:
I'm curious about it. But I doubt that it comes soon. So I would expect that we need to wait several weeks or maybe months. :(