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[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] 41rw4lk:
When I was on stock oreo I would have random wifi drops, looks like the trend continues with pie. Once I installed custom whether it was a rom, or just a kernel, no more issues. Moto just can't get this phone 100%
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] j.p.m:
Definitely the loss of the Wi-Fi signal with the router and the low speed of the Wi-Fi connection undermine my experience with Android 9.

I have decided not to use the Wi-Fi network because it brings me nothing but problems.

On the other hand, the bluetooth connection at the moment works perfectly for me. I am sharing my Wi-Fi network through bluetooth from my Google Pixel 2 XL (Bluetooth tethering) to the Moto Z2 Force and everything perfect.

I do not understand how they could get this OTA with this big problem. This with Android 8 did not happen to me. So I hope they will solve it soon.

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From what I see you also suffer quite a few disconnections from your Wi-Fi network in a very short time.

It's a real mess.....

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In my case it has not helped me.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] allrightlite:
Try 5GHz wifi network. I have never used 2.4GHz, because I have very fast internet and 5GHz is the only way to get all what I need. That was the reason to buy the phone. Perfect phone for lineage, because there are no delta update. So with 5GHz no problem to load the heavy updates very fast.

So, 5GHz WiFi ac is very very good on this phone. And you have a wide signal range, which not every 5GHz device handle so good. It's my best 5GHz device. Love it :cool:
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] j.p.m:
Thanks for your comment.

I have Wi-Fi disconnections in both the 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz bands.

The low speed of my Wi-Fi network is in the 5Ghz AC band. Imagine how fast the 2.4Ghz band is going.

I also like this terminal a lot but one of its best features (dual channel MIMO wifi) at the moment and with Android 9 they have broken it.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] Nemnos:
Its not a option and not a solution since it worked flawless with android 8
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] j.p.m:
Yes, but with Android 8.

Now with Android 9 it is not going as well.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] Nemnos:
But the hangs also exist with 5Ghz Wlan
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] neomesjasz:
I did factory reset 2 days ago, phone was working like new, but today WiFi problems starts again, no is completely not connecting on my phone only to network, have to use mobile data.

I want to keep android 9 but fix those issues, is it any more solutions?
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] CupertinoDj:
how do you install or flash this?

my is xt1789-05 brazil

OPXS27.109.34-19

8.0.0
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] Nemnos:
My Wlan troubles are almost fixed after reset my wlan settings. Since yesterday i had just one long loading time and iperf3 no goes strait to 100Mbit instead of ~10Mbit with timeouts.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] gyarados025:
Got the First OTA after Pie update. It's a July 19 patch (was on Jun 19 patch) with a Huge 460MB size.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] j.p.m:
For three days I have not suffered any disconnection with my Wi-Fi network and it works just as well as with Android 8.

The solution was to reinstall the modem (radio) of android android 9 through fastboot commands.

The process is simple to perform:

Downloads and install motorola drivers.

Downloads the rom stock of motorola for your region. In my case it is the XT 1789-09 NASH RETEU DS 9.0 PPX29.159-19.

Unzip the rom and verify that it contains a file called "NON-HLOS.bin"

Within the decompressed folder of the rom copies all the necessary fastboot files. These are in the Platform-Tools folder and you can download them from here.

Activate the "OEM unlock" in the development options. The route to reach the development options (which is a bit hidden) is the following:

Settings Menu >> "System" >> "Development Options"

You turn off the terminal and turn it on in the bootloader screen.

Connect the Moto Z2 Force via USB with your PC.

From the unzipped rom folder you open a cmd command window.

You install the radio or modem using the command

"fastboot flash modem NON-HLOS.bin"

We erase and restart all data from modem partitions with these two commands

"fastboot erase modemst1"
"fastboot erase modemst2"

The process does not take more than three seconds.

This is the only thing that in my case has solved the problem of Wi-Fi disconnections with my router. Neither the reset to factory settings on the Moto Z2 Force, nor the full reset of my Wi-Fi router managed to fix it.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] Nemnos:
Are there more Information about the Update in the Link?
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] CupertinoDj:
My phone is TEFBR XT1789-05,

i downloaded the stock rom 9.0 and place it on root folder, outside any folder.

I force stop the motorola upgrade app and check "internal storage" in the permissions.

I reboot the phone, but the update do not appear.

My question is, how i install the upgrade?

I'm in stock 8.0 with locked bootloader.

Help
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] fallcaoalves:
hello friends, i have a problem, i have a z2 force, with android 8.0.0, retbr software channel, security patch from january 1, 2018, installed version number is opxs27.109-34-4.

In fastboot mode I have baseband not found, I have BL: MBM-3.0-nash_retail-641a15b-180105, in product and variant I have: Nash radio2 64GB PVT and lastly I have Flashing_locked, can anyone help me with which firmware I can try to recover the cell phone ?

Note: no data band and no wifi
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] ohnez:
After copying the firmware reboot the phone. Check for updates via the settings.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] j.p.m:
It depends on the rom you have downloaded for your Moto Z2 Force.

If you have downloaded the complete rom for your region (TEFBR or RETBR) from the mirror.lolinet website (full name of the rom is XT1789-05_NASH_RETBR_9.0_PPX29.159-23_subsidy-DEFAULT_regulatory-DEFAULT_CFC.xml) you can only install using fastboot commands .

However if you have downloaded the incremental OTA (full name is Blur_Version.29.11.23.nash.retail.en.US) you will have to install it well:

From the recovery of the moto z2 force and with the adb sideload command.

From the motorola updater itself (with permission to access the internal memory of the phone). Here the post where it is indicated how to carry out this process.

The problem is that it will only work if you have the latest version of Android 8 oreo installed on the Moto Z2 Force (the OPXS27.109-34-21).
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] HugoP_:
I've updated my z2 force retbr to Pie, and now when someone call me i can't answer it. If i swipe up to accept the call the screen get all white and goes back to the accept or deny the call screen again. I can't even deny the call. I can't also call to anyone too, it doesnt make any sound of calling the person I've selected.

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Can you help me? I'm on retbr pie version and i cant accept calls or call anyone. If i flash this modem it will solve my call problem too? Or i need to flash another file to try to repair it?
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] j.p.m:
I have not had this problem that you describe. Neither before reinstalling the modem nor after reinstalling it. Mobile coverage and data have always worked well for me.

If you have coverage and mobile data (2G, 3G, 4G, 4G +) in the mobile coverage icon, I don't think it's a modem problem. It may be a problem with Google Dialer or a system application that you have disabled and that Google Dialer needs to work.

If after installing the Android 9 OTA you did not perform a complete phone reset, I recommend that you first delete all the data (plus the cache) from the Google dialer and do not disable any system application and try again if it now works well for you. If it doesn't work, uninstall the Google Dialer update and try now if it works. If this still does not work, I recommend that you completely restart your phone, reconfigure everything and try again.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] henrywhtin:
Is there any chance that att version can install verizon rom to get pie update?
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] ohnez:
I followed the steps. Everything went very well. But that did not solve the problem. The WIFI Drops persist. There is also a thread in the Lenovo forum. Let's hope the Motorola adds a fix.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] j.p.m:
It is true that I have been reading the thread a bit in the lenovo forum and there are quite a few affected with this same problem. But worst of all is that with the new patch (version 29.159-23 reteu) that has to reach us it seems that the problem still persists.

In my case and after more than weeks with the Android foot modem reinstalled (modem version 29.159-19 reteu) I have not suffered any disconnection using Wi-Fi networks and I still do not suffer.

I don't know if before reinstalling the modem did you activate the OEM unlock from the development options? If so, try again by activating the OEM unlock before.

If it still does not work, then we will have to keep waiting for Motorola to release a new patch that will correct this definitively.

What I do not understand is how some have not suffered the problem of Wi-Fi disconnections, others suffer sporadic disconnections, and others suffer disconnections almost continuously. It is very strange.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] ohnez:
Hello, that was the mistake with me. This is an important step. It does not work without OEM unlock and USB debugging. Thanks for the tip. I therefore also confirm that your approach works. No Wifi Drops anymore.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] crnispot:
JPM, does the phone's bootloader need to be unlocked for reinstalling the modem?

I also have the same call problems as HugoP. And wifi disconnects. And everything worked perfectly on Oreo, was very happy with the phone.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] j.p.m:
I am glad to know that everything worked correctly and that the problem of Wi-Fi disconnections has been solved.

I will modify my post to insert the OEM unlock activation before flaseat the modem.

To install the modem it is not necessary to unlock the bootloader. In fact I have the bootloader locked.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] j.p.m:
New OTA for my Moto Z2 Force RETEU (new version 29.159-23) received today ...
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] Mixy-SWE:
New OTA, version 29.159-23 received today (Sweden).

Installed fine after long download, 400 MB with poor Wi-Fi.

The following issues has been resolved:

- Slow Wi-Fi connection.

- Disconects when on Wi-Fi.

- Sharing Wi-Fi drops when receiving incoming calls.

- Phone not finding Wi-Fi hotspots.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] ldmondini:
I have received the new update notification too (reteu) but something is wrong, it starts and at the second step stops saying there is a problem with the server remaining everything suspended. Is there anyone else with the same problem that has solved it please?

SOLVED by itself...after 4 hours of automatically trying the update, it has been installed by OTA...
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] gburas:
I have installed 159-23 and from 4 hours I haven't any connection drop. I hope it will be permanently fix.

Wysłane z mojego Moto Z (2) przy użyciu Tapatalka
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] crnispot:
I installed it also. It was ok for half a day, then wifi drops started again.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] Murali_ch21:
I installed NASH RETAIL_9.0_PPX29.159-23 on my RETAPAC Z2 force 2 days back. So far I'm very happy with performance. I don't see drop off in connections.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] gburas:
Nope today I still have WiFi drops, I will try fix from posts above

Wysłane z mojego Moto Z (2) przy użyciu Tapatalka
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] ohnez:
I have the Wifi drops again. but that only happens when I activate airplane mode. if I leave the phone always online, there are no Wifi Drops with me.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] 41rw4lk:
Not to be an ass, but when you enable airplane mode it's supposed to kill your networks. Hence, airplane mode.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] ohnez:
ok ok , my english is not the best.

Ok written differently.

Restart the cellphone ... no Wifi Drops ... in the evening Airplane mode activated ... in the morning Airplane mode disabled ... Wifi Drops back. Helps only a reboot.

No aircraft mode in the evening and no Wifi Drops.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] 41rw4lk:
When I was on Oreo I had random wifi drops and reboots, that was never rectified. The only solution for me was running a custom kernel, or custom rom. I know that's not a real solution or even viable for many, but my point is this problem has existed to some extent since Oreo and it's a damn shame that Moto STILL has this problem. Personally, I'm done with Moto. The only thing they could do to redeem themselves for their poor treatment of Z2 users is release the source. Give us some engineer modems, bootloader, and some source code and let us have some sense of customer satisfaction.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] Dreamerok:
any updates for 1789-03 sprint (unlocked) pie 9 ? installed 159-19

is there any way to install ota updates (159-23 etc) via twrp ? would be graet
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] zureau:
After manual update from Oreo to Pie also recived OTA reteu update. I'm not facing any issues with WiFi. The only problem on my device is the proximity sensor, which is not responding sometimes. It looks like a HW problem.

My question is, how to control with the side keys ringing volume? After Pie update volume keys are controlig only media volume level
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] Dany XP:
I'm living in UK.

My model is XT 1789-04 single sim, OPXS27.109-49-5. Software channel: tmo, everything locked and stock.

Will I ever get pie officially?

I'm not stranger to modding (back in the day with my Nexus 5 I had a lot of fun lol) but I was hoping not to play anymore with commands ?...

Is my only solution unlock bootloader and start messing around with flashing...?
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] Abhi369:
Volte is enabled on European models. Moreover mine got a security update for January
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] Bietschek:
I never could use VoLTE on my z2 force. I put my sim Card Which is from original O2 Germany in my old Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 it Shows VoLTE in Display.

Also there is nothing if I go to settings to switch VoLTE on or of. So it must be an issue of the Z Force 2
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] jonas210678:
There it is in the middle, on Germany it is named " Erweiterter 4g LTE Modus" and it is working on Vodafone fine.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] Bietschek:
I don't have that Option in my settings.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] theandies:
Opps, already answered this question......duh
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] VzQzZ:
Even Samsung is already releasing the Pie/OneUi update here in Brazil for Galaxy S8+ and still nothing for Z2F.

I hope this update comes nearly perfect and as bug free as possible. It's taking to long. Still can't believe that G6 series got it before us ..

I'm starting to think that we will only get Pie with May update..
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] Elpidio:
it's my lousy opinion that PIE is not coming to Z2 Force
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] VzQzZ:
Motorola confirmed that Z2F will get Pie. It's just taking too long. They would face several legal problems if the update never comes.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] loldevil:
Z3 Play received Pie update yesterday, here in Brazil!

#dontForgetUs
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] VzQzZ:
I asked Motorola Brazil about the Pie Update and that was the answer.. Basically just an automatic answer.

Motorola promised us Pie during Q1 2019, that means untill the end of March. I believe it will be delayed to April, considering the January update was released later than usual..
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] alexcheveau:
First and last Motorola to me. What a joke
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] kingstu:
The most important thing about the Pie update is how it will affect the mods. OS updates will give access to the 5G Moto Mod so in Moto Z3 will get it first since it will get 5G first. It will also affect how the Alexa Moto Mod works and behaves so they might need to publish another update to that. If they decide to allow the Moto Z2 Force for Verizon to work with the 5G mod then they will probably get it next after the Z3. There is no Verizon version of the Z3 Play so the unlocked version will come after that. This is just my guess but making sure all the mods work as expected and making any changes to the underlying mod framework are what makes their releases slower than other phones.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] alin919:
This is a good one ! Thank you Motorola , in the last couple off days been switch back to my old 2016 pixel xl with is running now Android Q beta .......while we waiting on pie :) .
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] allrightlite:
You will like the new features for sure :D Android Q is a beta and the system wide dark mode won't come to us with Android Pie, for example. I love the dark mode, so I helped me out with Los16 so far to get this. That's the result of waiting months for an major update. It's to long for such an expensive phone. No 8.1. That's crazy, too.

So, hope it will be good and we will be surprised. At least this phone is fast as hell. A beast :cool:
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] pooyab:
First of all we should all be honest with ourselves that Motorola is over. This is Lenovo!

Secondly, I'm pretty sure the main reason for update delay is Mods compatibility. Probably even when it come, pie update would not be bug free at all.

I only bought this phone for gamepad mod and games emulation and kinda satisfied with that part. Though ergonomic of gamepad is poor and medical text books can add it to one of the main causes of carpal tunnel syndrome, also easy to scratch screen (which you do not expect in phones after 2010!) was a bummer. So this is probably my last phone with Motorola brand. sad to see this is happening

To the father of cell phones...
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] TigerCourage:
First of all the update is going to be packed with the new features from the newer Moto phones. Second of all is that this update is going to be the last important one for this phone. They have to make sure everything is working as bug free as they can also they might add support for new Moto Mods that are going to be released this year but the new Mods software isn't ready yet so that might be a good reason to delay the update.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] waj1234:
It's nice to have updates but have to ask what's wrong with it being on 8.1?

I have no issues with mine and its one of best phones I have owned. I came from a OP6 to this and prefer it. Everything just works and battery life is great. I am not sure how the upgrade will make my experience any better tbh.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] alin919:
I agree with you on this one but I been running pie on pixel and I love it . Been honest Z2 is a good phone and the only things I miss it is dark themes. So I can wait to get it !
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] VzQzZ:
I really hope that's the case. It's ridiculous that G6 series has more features than Z2F. We are missing a lot of features from the Moto App, like 3 fingers to Screenshot, expandable Screenshot and many more.

I'll be really pissed and disappointed if we don't get it. I would also like the get Digital Wellbeing, like the G7 series just got, but I think that's nearly impossible.

I understand that they may need more time cause of the mods, and since it will be our last major update it has to be as great as possible. But still I can't stop feeling that Lenovo just don't care enough for the Z series.

I'm also curious to see how they will implement the gestures. If they will keep it the way it's right now, which is perfect in my opinion, or if they will take the same approach of the newer devices. Hope they don't change that. I love the sensor gestures.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] pooyab:
I really hope that's the case, but based on my personal experience, I doubt it...

That's a good point, "updates are not usually critical". But let's not forget they are one of the criteria showing a company's customer support. Pie brings features like native dark mode in some part, better performance, adaptive battery, wellbeing... and I'm currently appreciating all of them on my other devices with offical updates (Note8, MiA1 and OP6)

So while I'll keep using my Z2F as before, honestly I can't justify the neglet

Btw are you on official 8.1? Because AFAIK the last official release at least for versizon and global versions is still on 8.0 and I'm still dealing with bluetooth issues.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] wrenhal:
TMobile, Sprint and at&t are apparently the only variants in the world not receiving the pie update.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] Dany XP:
Regardless if I'm living in Europe / using an European sim?

If that's the case, what options do I have? Can I force the update placing the ota zip in the root memory of the phone?

Or I don't have any other choice but to unlock bootloader?
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] Dany XP:
...and by the way, beeing a brand (supposed to be) new phone, is it normal my bootloader is already unlocked?
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] wrenhal:
I would say that no, that's not normal. Also, what sim you're using does not determine what variant of phone you have. If it says TMO, then it's TMobile.

With the bootloader unlocked you won't be able to use Google pay, but you do have the option of using a 3rd party rom. I have at&t. So I don't even have that option.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] Dany XP:
****, you're right, I just checked, no luck with Google pay which I used to pay with every day...is there any way to re-enable? With root, magisk, etc...?
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] henrywhtin:
In fact, it is at&t variant only:crying:
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] wrenhal:
No, TMobile and Sprint are not receiving the official pie update from Motorola either. 3rd party ROMs aren't what we were talking about.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] Starkiller2:
Yes. There's a magisk module, magiskhide props config, or safety patch
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] morr22066:
Pie

I am still hoping that a dev will modify the EU version to work with T-Mobile and AT&T in the USA.
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] Murali_ch21:
Follow the link below and read full instructions. Proceed only if you know what are you doing. If not you may damage your device permanently.

I'm able to use Google pay with out any problem with the help of this process.

https://******************/
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] Dany XP:
Thank u guys, but I now I'm on LOS 16 which has safety net enable as default, so no need for root or magisk if I want to use Google Pay...

Thank u anyway for the help
[Moto Z2 Force  Questions & Answers] j.p.m:
15 days after the update and installation of the PPX29.159-23 version I have to say that the Moto Z2 Force works perfectly except for one small thing. Sometimes when I restart the terminal the statistics of the system battery are frozen and are not updated. This is the only problem I have had since the previous version and has not yet been solved. So I hope in a future ??? update solve it.

By the way, if anyone has problems with Wi-Fi networks, you can reinstall the entire system (version PPX29.159-23) from the LMSA (for model XT1789-06 reteu is available).