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[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] rocjoh:
Hello all

Fortunately my FireHD10 2019 has F/W pre-2.3.2.2 with OTA disabled, but I am thinking of updating to the latest F/W for some reasons…

I like to use tablets with “Split-screen” mode, but unfortunately, FHD10 2019 with old F/W does not have it. However, we could use “freeform mode” (multi-window mode) with “taskbar” app. The freeform mode is tricky/glitchy a bit, but still usable.

I've been enjoying the tablet, but recently, I started to have some issues;

- I found that an official twitter client (which we are forced to use now…) cannot run in the “freeform mode” (it crushes).

- Due to the old F/W version, Amazon kicks the connection of Amazon shopping app.

Then I reminded the news that F/W 2.3.2.2 brings lots of limitations but also brings the “Split-screen” mode to the FHD10 2019 model… With the latest F/W I could use twitter (and other apps which could not run in freeform mode like Google calendar) in split mode, Amazon shopping app would be back, and freeform mode’s glitches would be gone… hmm it’s not that bad?....

The great developer of FTB has already implemented the walk-around method for the major issues of post-2.3.2.2 F/W, so it might be a time to update for me?…

Before the update, I would like to confirm some items;.

1) There is no way to enable the split-screen mode without F/W update, correct?

2) After updating to the latest F/W 2.3.2.7, The FTB still can disable the further OTA updates, right?

3) FHD10 2019 cannot receive the beloved 8.3.1.3 update, so “Protected app” (like Fire-Launcher etc) would remain unable to be disabled with the FTB, correct?

4) Are there any other major draw-back which I overlooked?

As for the home app, I will live with a default Fire-launcher. It’s gonna run in background anyway, so going with Fire-launcher would be the best way to save limited 2GB RAM

Any advice would be welcomed, thank you very much in advance!
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] arronkray:
I was having the same issue with YT kids. I ended up sideloading YouTube Kids 6.37.5 from APK mirror (make sure to disable auto updates) and it works perfectly for my kids.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] yeahman45:
thank you for the developpers of this toolbox. it's amazing. worked great on my fire hd8 8th gen I just purchased
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
Have a look in my signature. I have updated apps (like Shop Amazon) that otherwise only come with a firmware update. Just install them over the existing apps. I would suggest the updated webview app too, as it does a lot of the heavy lifting for displaying web content in most apps.

As an owner of an HD 10 (2019) with older firmware and an HD 8 (2020) with newer firmware, I can tell you that the update will be costly in terms of performance and reliability. The HD 10 w/ old firmware is MUCH smoother in operation than the 8. That update just to get what you envision might be a nicely working, split-screen, smooth-running tablet just won't be you're experience IMO. What I believe you'll end up with is a tablet that stutters and takes a lot longer to perform the operations that used to work well. Also, you won't be able to downgrade back to your previous version because of buyer's remorse. Amazon has seen to their updates being one-way with no rollbacks. I know the feeling of "the grass is always greener on the other side", but I think you'd be making a big, irreversible mistake. Also, for split-screen to work well, you need RAM. There isn't much available on the earlier Fire tablets. (You only have 2GB.) I think that's one reason that feature isn't included until the 3GB models started showing up.

In short, be happy that you have one of the "golden age" tablets with early firmware that allows you to turn things off. If you want split-screen, buy a newer Fire tablet with more RAM and the newer firmware and don't sacrifice your older firmware to an idea that I don't think you'll achieve. /rant

To specifically address your questions:

1) There may be a way or an app, but I have never found a way to do it well enough that I kept it.

2) No. After "updating" to 7.3.2.2+, OTA updates can no longer be turned off and you must use another app to block the update servers to prevent further updates. This uses more precious RAM and is part of the slow-down.

3) No update to 8.3.1.x has been released for HD 10 (2019) tablets. It's likely to never be released for these as they are older models nearing the end of support. Right now, the Amazon launcher is not a protected app on your tablet, but will become one if you choose to update and therefore you'll not be able to disable it.

4) See my rant above.;)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
Thanks for citing a specific version of YouTube Kids that works on Gen 12 Fire tablets. This will be a popular workaround. 😀

To reiterate for emphasis : YouTube Kids V 6.37.5 (October, 2021)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
Only 1 developer on this project and he is @Datastream33 . :D
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Drinkdrawers:
Thanks for this amazing tool. It took me a bit to figure it out, but I got it all set up.

The original reason I wanted to clean up the tablet was because idle battery life was so terrible. Watching an episode of a TV show would consume maybe 3%, while sitting on the counter overnight with the screen off would consume 15-20%.

After resetting the table to run the toolbox (so prior to setting anything up), I left it sitting on my desk one night and when I unlocked it the next afternoon, it was still at 100%! So the idle battery life of a not-yet-setup Kindle seems really good.

I thought that maybe running the toolbox but not logging into an Amazon account might sustain that level of battery life, but the tablet is basically unusable without logging into Amazon, because there are so many basic apps you can't install from the Play Store.

After logging into Amazon, the battery dropped from 96% last night to 80% this morning, sitting on the counter.

So it seems like whatever gets activated when you log into Amazon continues to drain the battery, even after running this tool.

Anyone know if whatever processes those are something I can identify and shut down?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
Hi, and welcome to XDA!

It's difficult to say because you didn't specify what apps you've installed and you didn't say how far your tablet was from your WiFi AP. If you just reset the tablet and just signed in to Amazon and did nothing else, then you should see about a 2-4% drop sitting on the counter overnight (assuming the WiFi AP is within a room or 2). It's likely that you've got some apps running that are communicating through WiFi continuously and not allowing the tablet to go to sleep. My tablet typically only uses about 2% overnight when I leave it on, and I have many apps installed, but I shut down the WiFi when I go to bed so that Google doesn't do sh*t behind my back and other apps don't go gabbing with each other like a bunch of teens all night. Try leaving your tablet running with WiFi disabled in the quick settings and let us know how much it uses.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] irve:
Hey

Do you support all Amazon OS versions or are there limitations?

Great tool btw.

/Irve
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] drizzt09:
I don't use automate. In Canada we don't seem to get ads on the lock screen.

I use the tool for debloat. Google services and change launcher. Nothing more
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] pineappl:
Does this toolbox support the type without special offers?

I don't think this tool supports the latest FireOS or the type without special offers.

Because that's the only difference between my tablet and its basic state.

It's not a PC problem because it doesn't work even if I try it on any PC.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] 1shado1:
Same here. :(
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Rortiz2:
I have Win 10 64 bits and It runs perfectly...

Enviado desde mi Mi A2 mediante Tapatalk
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] ms372591:
I wonder if it could be tablet related then. On version 5.1 when I would click yes to remove the lock screen ad it would just close. On version 5.2 once I connect my tablet the program closes. I'm using a HD10 2017 model.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Datastream33:
Hmm, that is very strange. The issue you face in 5.1 should be fixed in V5.2 but you cannot access it? Ok, I'm going to presume its an issue with device detection (added support for various tablets and something could have gone wrong with yours in the process) can anyone with a HD10 2017 tablet confirm if it works or not?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] ms372591:
Yes, that's correct the program will open if the tablet is disconnected says no device connected as soon as I plug it in the program closes. IF I start it with it connected it pops up and closes immediately. When I look in task manager adb.exe (32 bit) is still running though. I've tried closing that as well. Also it's a HD10 7th generation. I'm not sure if that's a 2017 like I said earlier.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] 1shado1:
Mine does the same. Same model as well. Just purchased last month (Prime Day).
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] JackDN06:
I've tried installing both versions 5.1 and 5.2 and when it boots up I get the screen to select a theme color. After choosing a color the program stops. When I try restarting it thinking that the color change will stick I get the same message to pick a color. Is there something special that I need to do to make the color choice screen stop showing?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] koop1955:
Not sure that this is going to help, but have you clicked the Home button at the bottom? I have changed Themes repeatedly and not had any problems returning to the Home screen.

I've installed 5.0, 5.1, and now 5.2 and had no problems. Win 10 64 bit.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] FatSmurf:
Amazon apps not uninstalling?

I’m using Toolbox version 5.1 on my Amazon Fire HD 8 tablet (latest model).

Everything works great. Except I noticed that when I used the feature to remove all Amazon apps, those apps were not really “uninstalled”, simply disabled. They still take up space on my tablet.

I can see them if I go to Settings and Manage All Applications. All the original Amazon apps are still there but with a “disabled” tag next to them.

Is this normal behavior, a bug, or something I’m doing wrong? I’d like to actually delete/uninstall the Amazon apps I’m not using.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Kctucka:
You can't uninstall system apps/modify the system partition without permanent root/unlock, if you have the 2018 HD 8. Freeing space on the system partition is also not valuable to you without root.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] FatSmurf:
Oh I see... from a quick Google rooting the 2018 HD 8 requires me to open the tablet physically correct?

So I guess I’ll just live with the “disabled” apps since it makes no difference anyways.

Thank you.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Kctucka:
There's two methods of rooting, one where you open the tablet, and one where you don't. Personally, I found the open tablet method easier after reading over both. However, there is a moderate level of difficulty to both, more than just using a toolbox anyway.

And yes, as long as the apps are disabled, they will not be draining system resources, which should be good enough for most users.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] letgomax:
Installed 5.2 tool. it goes through the part of selecting the theme, and then it quits .
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] tanm83:
I am having the same problem. 5.1 works fine. (except for the Remove Lockscreen Ads bug)

I should mention that I'm using a Fire HD 10 (2017).
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] JackDN06:
Maybe it would be better to just eliminate the chose theme part of the update and revert back to changing themes from within the menu as first designed.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] just4sc:
I'm using v5.2 on HD8 (8th gen) and the lock screen wallpaper feature removes my wallpaper but does not allow me to pick anything else for my wallpaper. Choosing either single file or folder choices within the change wallpaper app does not allow me to choose any files or folder. Am I doing something wrong?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] OptimisticShaggy:
No Recognition

Whenever I use the ADB coming from Platform Tools, was able to Unlock & Root the Tablet (Amazon HD10 7th. Gen).

But whenever I use the application which uses client 40, it wouldn't recognize my tablet.

I am using the latest version of the toolbox as well, V. 5.2.

Update 8/16/2019: Was able to use V. 5.1 & everything worked!
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] questionesse:
Took a while to get my hands on that gifted device again - though YES - that did the job! Thank you so much!
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
For those nostalgic for old Sony PS Vita games :

Vita3K Android emulator brings support for (some) PlayStation Vita games to smartphones - Liliputing

Vita3K Android emulator brings support for (some) PlayStation Vita games to smartphones

liliputing.com

Workable on Fire tablets, maybe ?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] acavan:
Hello, first, thank you for this amazing tool!

I have a Fire 8 10th generation (2020) and used FireToolbox succesfully to make all modifications featured by Fire Toolbox.

My tablet came with Fire OS 7.3.2.6 and so, I "restricted" (but wasn´t able to "block") OTA Updates because 7.3.2.6 doesn't let you).

Nevertheless, after some months of restricting OTA, yesterday it updated to FireOS 7.3.2.7. No harm made. But question is:

How different is "restricting" OTA updates from "blocking" them. I mean, why did it update anyway? Is there something I can do so it doesn't update anymore?

Thanks!!
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
Restricted just means that the tablet is put into a metered connection mode where it refrains from downloading large files and may not allow you to stream videos. It doesn't prohibit those downloads though, as you've seen. But, you can do something to prohibit them.

In my signature is a link to a guide for installing RethinkDNS. It's an app to block apps or services from connecting to the internet. You just have to block the app that updates the tablet and then you're safe from further updates. It's all described in the first link in my sig. :)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] acavan:
Thank you @blaacksheep for your help. Very good guide. Hopefully I don't see any further updates!!

One more question,

I disabled most amazon apps, including amazon store, but some amazon apps appeared re-enabled. I supposed they had been updated, and that reenabled them. Will this fix that too? Should I block Amazon Store with Rethink DNS (although it's disabled)?

Thanks again!
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
FYI Handy shortcuts for Gboard aficionados and the on-screen keyboard challenged:

https://www.computerworld.com/article/3626191/gboard-shortcuts-android.html
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
The update re-enabled the apps you disabled. Run Toolbox again to disable them. You only need to block the update app with RethinkDNS.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] acavan:
OK! Thank you very much!
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] domoman:
Hello i have a couple of questions for @Datastream33 is there anyone to put in the app what version your tablet has after ota are disabled? something in the program that can detect it ? also if 30.3 is out why dose the download still say 30.2 as always thank you for this toolbox
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] ddurdle:
I really don't understand how the Google Play Integrity works on the Amazon devices. On latest Fire 10" 2021, the basic integrity passes with with licensed status (which is good). But on the newest Fire 7", this fails with unevaluated. The only difference between these devices is Android 9 on the 2021 and Android 11 on 2022. There is no sense posting this in the Google Play Integrity API XDE thread. I'm posting it here since someone in the market to upgrade their Fire tablet should be aware of this fact. There are many apps that are not "games" that use it and will make those apps not going to be install-able on the new fire devices until there is a way to root the devices.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] domoman:
hmm
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
As an Android "civilian" (viz zero Android/Google app dev experience, user-only), I often (naively) wonder why Google Play infrastructure and apps even work on Fire tablets/Fire OS.

Play Integrity API status on Fire HD10 (2021, 11th Gen) FireOS 7.3.2.7: ...👎
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Drinkdrawers:
Thanks for the help.

I didn't install much. Play store, Hulu, Hearthstone, and Ecosia browser. Plus Niagara launcher, through the toolbox.

That makes sense about the wireless. I turned it off last night and went to bed with it at 97%. 12 hours later it was at 79. So it seems to be some process that doesn't require wireless.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] ForForkSake:
Further to this...

Launcher hijack

Plus the accessibility setting to detect home button press.

Allows nova to be the launcher apart from at startup.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] khanhlee:
How to fix this problem? Stuck like this, cant resize it, cant pick the "execute" button. Im using Windows 10

Tks.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
FYI

Fire 7 (12th Generation) FireOS 8.3.1.4 Update ​

now available for manual download from local Amazon Support :

- Amazon.com

- Amazon.ca

- Amazon.co.uk

- Amazon.it

- Amazon.co.jp
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] rocjoh:
Aaaargh! I didn' know that OTA can't be fully blocked by FTB with 2.3.2.7. It's a game changer for sure....

And thank you for the updated apks as well. Amazon shop app is back and overall web performance has been improved! I think I can enjoy this tablet a bit longer.

I still miss the split-screen mode but considering the negative side effects of F/W update, I also think I should remain with current old F/W & taskbar (freeform mode)

Thank you very much for stopping me from committing suicide!
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
Hi, and welcome to XDA!

That problem happens when your text size is set to other than the default of 100%. It looks like you're set to 125%. You have 2 choices. Either reduce your text size to default, or create a new user account with default settings and install Toolbox in that account. :)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] conici13:
Hello! And thank you for all with this tread. I managed to use the toolbox online my fire 10(2021) but now I cannot change the time and Time zone, did anybody got this problem?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
Common problem ... an unintended consequence of "over-exuberant" Amazon app debloating ... (some Amazon apps are actually useful ! LOL )

May need to re-enable Device Setup app ; it's foundational for some Fire tablet options like Date & Time, Keyboard & Language, et al.

from Fire Toobox, try :

Manage Amazon Apps > Simple (Recommended) > Restore Apps > select "Device Setup" > Restore Selected . Reboot device.

Hope it's nothing more serious.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
Hybrid apps on Fire Toolbox

Quick explainers on "Hybrid Apps" (Progressive Web Apps) and how they would work through the Fire Toolbox option on Fire tablets

What is a Hybrid Application (Hybrid App)?

Learn how hybrid applications can be an efficient and cost-effective method of mobile app development. Explore the pros and cons vs. web and native apps.

www.techtarget.com

Native Apps, Hybrid Apps and Web Apps: What's the Difference?

Find out which app type is ideal for your business. Our guide compares native, web, and hybrid apps,so you can make the best decision for your needs.

www.mobiloud.com

Progressive Web Apps Vs Native Apps: What's the Best Choice in 2024?

Deciding between progressive web apps and native apps for your business? Learn about the pros and cons of each so you can make an informed decision.

www.mobiloud.com
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Blu3FNX:
Thx for the awesome tool I'm really relief to have found it as I was trying to just install apks but without being able to use googleplay services I had a hard time with some apps , even tried to "mod" some by using lucky patcher and trying to remove the Google verification from them , let's say that didn't go well.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Blu3FNX:
Wouldn't they work even without fire toolbox?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] ajun5:
I used the toolbox to set up my Amazon Fire 10 last year, disabled the updates as advised and everything, but now when I open the Amazon shopping app it says "The Amazon Shopping app is no longer supported on this device." Amazon Music also isn't working correctly. How do I fix this? Thanks.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
Probably. PWAs are Android-generic but may have to be "tweaked" for FireOS.

The set of hybrid apps provided in FTB are curated as the more popular apps likely to be used by Fire tablet users (viz. Netflix and Disney Plus) which aren't listed in Play Store when installed on Fire devices.

Part of @Datastream33 (FTB's dev) thoughtfulness when building FTB.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Blu3FNX:
Oh I see. It got through me I didn't notice this my bad.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
Last summer, Amazon began "depreciating" all the native Amazon-branded apps on FireOS 7, so that only current OTA-upgraded apps will work on Fire devices ... to suck you deeper into the Amazon ecosystem.

Fortunately for us, @blaacksheep has kindly archived a working set of the more current Amazon apps, downloadable under his sig, to replace the "broken" apps. See some of @blaacksheep 's previous posts on the thread for more details.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
As @Jumbo100 said, I pulled the newer apps from an updated Fire 8 HD (2020) and collected them in a Gdrive account linked in my signature. I think it's the 3rd link. I've got Shop Amazon, Prime Video, Kindle, and some of the system apps like Amazon Webview to keep your tablet working on the older firmware. Just install them over the existing apps and you should be all set.

Edit: For a comprehensive listing of all the apps that have been updated, see @braveheartleo's post here.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
Progressive Web App ("Hybrid App") sources

For those interested in augmenting their Fire tablets with hybrid apps, here are some sources for PWAs:

Progressive Web App Store

Expand your phone with fast apps always up-to-date and available offline. Progressive Web App Store is an app store to easily find Progressive Web Application.

progressivewebapp.store

Also

GitHub - hemanth/awesome-pwa: Awesome list of progressive web apps!

Awesome list of progressive web apps! Contribute to hemanth/awesome-pwa development by creating an account on GitHub.

github.com
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] ajun5:
Thanks, they all worked EXCEPT Amazon Webview. It says "App not installed" after I try to install it. Do you know why that would be? Thanks.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
No, I don't. It installed on my tablet with early firmware without a hitch. All I can think of is that maybe it's due to something you disabled with Toolbox. As a preliminary, though, check the link in my sig or my previous post to braveheartleo's post and try the version he has of Amazon Webview. It's newer than mine.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] diobando:
Hello,

I have a Fire HD 8 (2022) and I am having a problem with all the browsers crashing after opening. This is after running most of the features in the toolbox (debloat, disable OTA, installed google apps, google assistant)