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[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Bryverine:
I have 8.3.1.1; is there a way to upgrade to a specific version? On that same note, I can't seem to be able to even get to the update section of the tablet anymore. Clicking on the System Updates in device options, just sends me right back to the device options menu.

As far as enabling the Device Setup goes, I tried restoring this and it seems to have solved the issue with one of the three apps. The other two continue to immediately return me to home screen though they remain active in the recent apps.

Thank you for your help!
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] veda1:
HI @blaacksheep

We had last spoken on May of 2022. :) How are you?

Is the toolbox now supporting OS version v7.3.2.2 out the box or no?

Thanks
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] RealPsygnosis:
Regarding my question above I would like to know. If for some reason I can get a fire hd 10 again, what is the base fw shipped?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
TL;DR Consider factory resetting you tablet, upgrading to FireOS 8.3.1.3, then redoing your Fire Toolbox mods

Updating your Fire HD10 (12th Gen, 2022 FireOS 8.3.1.3 would probably resolve some of of the instability/incompatibility problems you've encountered.

Updating an unmodified, stock Fire device is easy:

- letting Amazon "push" an OTA update, or

- "pulling" an OTA update using Systems Update from Setting, or

- manual installing an update image from Amazon Support site.

However, given the number of mods you've made, updating may not be so straight forward:

- if you used an recent FTB process to block OTAs, undoing OTA blocking may not always work

- if you use the "Standard Debloat" process, re-enabling the Amazon system apps needed to get Systems Update working again is not obvious and may require a "deep dive" with ADB commands.

- manually installing a current FireOS update image may be complicated by the mods made, per above.

Once you've ungraded to f/w 8.3.1.3, you might still have to install/reinstall Google Play and some other apps to get them working properly again.

It often becomes a frustrating "whack-a-mole" exercise.

IMHO and from the experience of some users, it may be more expedient and less labour intensive to "go nuclear" with a factory reset, update to f/w 8.3.1.3, then redoing the FTB mods from a "clean slate".

If you want to continue troubleshooting, ping us again and can we pursue further.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Sympathy For The Devil:
Two questions.

Once the programme is loaded onto my Fire HD 8 (2022), it will not do anything to it until I select options. Is that correct?

I want to get rid of most of the Amazon stuff, but not Kindle or Prime Video, and assocaiated content which I have downloaded. Is that possible, or do I have to use the "Nuke Amazon" button only?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
I'm doing well. I hope you are good also.

Since 7.3.2.2 came out, some workarounds have been developed to get around most of the new restrictions. The launcher can't be changed, but then we don't have to call the default launcher. We now have a couple of methods of replacing the home button with our own custom home button that calls our launcher of choice. The OTA updates can't be turned off, but then we can disallow internet access to that app so that it never finds any updates by using RethinkDNS. This is a great option, but it uses the VPN feature of your tablet. If you use a VPN regularly, it will bypass any blocklist in your router (the other way to block access to the Amazon update servers) and I don't think there's a way to block access easily other than to restrict access by telling the tablet it has metered access so it won't download big items (usually).

I have an old guide in my signature about bypassing the new restrictions, but most of that has been deprecated by the newer versions of Toolbox which have new tools to fix these things. There's also a guide to installing and using RethinkDNS to block the updates. I bought an HD 8 (2020) and let it update to the newest firmware version at the time to help work out some of these workarounds. @Datastream33 has refined the tools to a point that they are fairly easy to use even though they are complex in nature. You just have to follow the instructions and don't skip any steps.

If you've got a Fire tablet with the later firmware, Toolbox is still the way to go. Download/install/update to get to v30.3 of Toolbox and give it a shot. I think you'll be happy with the results. :)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
That really depends on the source of the tablet. If you get it from Amazon, it will probably come with at least v7.3.2.3. If you get it from Amazon Warehouse (refurbed), you might get an earlier one, but most of them have been updated. If you get it from one of the big box stores (Target, Office Max), you may also get an earlier version. Big box stores and eBay are probably your best bet. Bottom line is the older versions of firmware are getting harder to find.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
Hi, and welcome to XDA!

Fire Toolbox is NOT a program installed on the Fire tablet. It is a program installed on your Windows computer that allows it to communicate with your tablet and disable certain things that cannot easily be done on the tablet itself. Most of the tools take effect immediately and almost all are reversible without a factory reset. There are a couple tools that require a reset to undo, but there are warnings about those tools when you go to use them.

If you're planning on using any of the Amazon apps like Prime Video or Kindle, you don't want to run the "standard debloat" or "full debloat" scripts. They will kill off needed apps for those services to work. Instead use Manage Amazon Apps > Manual tab > Simple (recommended) and select what you want to disable. Mind the description pane in the lower-right. It will tell you if an app is needed for something else to work. (There's a couple that need to be enabled for Kindle to work.) Also, leave Shop Amazon enabled because you'll need that to sign in to Amazon before Prime Video will work.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] veda1:
@blaacksheep

Thank you. I have downloaded the newest version and will attempt to change the launcher today. later. When you say "follow the instructions and skip any steps", are you talking about instructions in OP or your signature post?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Sympathy For The Devil:
Mant thenks. On the Manage Amazon Apps, I appear to also have to select Disable Amazon Apps: Complete Debloat, or Load From File? Which one?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Sympathy For The Devil:
Meant many thanks! But I misread you message. Do I still need to select Load From File?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
I meant the instructions that Toolbox gives you when you select various tools. The launcher replacement requires the installation of Automate and several steps. I just meant to carefully follow all the steps given.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
You would want to select Disable Amazon Apps. Then you will get a selection of what can be disabled. Select any that you don't use, but always look in the lower-right of the tool to see if it might be needed for something else to work. Then don't disable it. You can always re-enable an app later, or disable further apps later. Just don't be overzealous.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] veda1:
@blaacksheep

HI. I tried multiple times to get the custom launcher to work but am unable. I think the problem is at the automate configuring stage. I follow the instruction and allow automate and then slick on the start button but don't know what to do after that. Now i don't see the home button anymore. How do i revert the changes ?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
After installing Automate, you need to make sure it has all the requested permissions, and it is set to launch on startup.

If you want to revert back to the original home button, enter this into an ADB shell:

settings delete secure sysui_nav_bar
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] veda1:
How do i ensure this?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
You can ensure that this is set by launching Automate from your pull-up apps menu, tap the hamburger menu thing in the upper-left, tap settings, scroll down a little to "Run on system startup", and make sure the box at the end of that line is checked.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] veda1:
That's interesting, there is no "Run on system startup" when i click on the menu. There is buy premium, followed by community, Reddit, forum, settings, help and feedback.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
It's down a few lines. It's under the "Safety" heading (in blue). It's the last item there. You have to scroll down a little. (The last item under "Safety".)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
I think they've updated the user interface since @Datastream33 created the scripts. It still installs, but many people have trouble making it work. When I installed it, the interface was different and the instructions told you exactly what you needed to do. Now I think it has changed enough to warrant a new set of instructions.

Edit: For anyone who doesn't want to read back, by "it", I'm talking about Automate. Automate is the app that makes the navbar work and is a major part in making Toolbox work as seamlessly as possible.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] veda1:
Thank you kind sir. I found it but the launcher seems a bit buggy and takes some time to launch after reboot. I think i will revert. How do i access the ADB shell to use that command?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
Oh, you apparently have the old Automate flo file. The new one was updated to fix that. It launches your prefered launcher at startup. I'll save the .flo file on my Google drive and post a link. It just needs to be imported into Automate and started (and also unchecking the old default action).

It's late here, Ill find & post it in the morning for you. 😴
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Sympathy For The Devil:
Sorted. Thank you for your help
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] veda1:
Also, what steps can i take to dusbale telemetry, collection of app usage data in particular?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] martytoo:
This post is both informational and meant to raise questions about increased functionality.

I have been on a quest to easily clean cache on all the apps on my phone and tablets. The most interesting app I've found is 1Tap Cleaner. I ran that app on my Hd8 with 8.3.1. 3 a few days ago. After running it I thought something horrible had happened to the tablet because most of the browsers were force closing. This went on for so long that I started opening many apps in an attempt to find out what was working and what was force closing.

To my amazement the Gmail app was working sporadically. Eventually the whole tablet settled down, the browsers once again worked, BUT SO DID GMAIL!!

I hope this helps others and I am interested in whether others can duplicate this. 1Tap Cleaner is available in both a paid and free version. So anyone aching for the Gmail app can give this a try.

You will likely need a bit of patience as I imagine all those experimenting may think they have broken their browsers, but this is likely to be temporary as it was on my 8.3.1.3 device.

I think there is at least one app that prevents Gmail from acting normally (when first installed after using the Toolbox) until that app(s) cache is cleaned. But this is just a guess.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Datastream33:
Greetings!

Telememtry can be disabled via the Privacy Controls tool. Just execute that bad boy and disable all the options. :D

Please let us know if you have any other questions or concerns regarding the Toolbox. Have a good one!
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Datastream33:
@blaacksheep, I can help you out a little bit here. @veda1 Here's a link to the flo. :D
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
I was looking for that file, and I realized it was on my other tablet that still is taken apart because it got wet. Thanks @Datastream33 .
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Datastream33:
Dang, sorry to hear about the tablet. How badly damaged is it (if you don't mind me asking)?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] veda1:
@Datastream33 and @blaacksheep

Thank you Gentlemen! Already downloaded. What are the next steps to integrate this flo chart. Sorry for he questions, i'm a bit challenged in these things.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] veda1:
Where is the privacy controls tool located?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Datastream33:
OK, almost there. Try following this guide by @Reverse-anastomosis. Once imported all you need to do is start the flo. :D
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Datastream33:
Privacy Controls can be found on the second page of the main menu. Just click the little dot at the bottom right of the main menu. It will take you to the second page.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] veda1:
Wow didn't know the tool had a second page. So the privacy options are checked at this point and i do not see any options to "execute", except the button where it says "randomize ID". What are the steps? Do i uncheck everything and click on randomize id?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Datastream33:
Yeah, unchecking the box is all you need to do, along with randomizing the Id :D
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
It got wet a couple months ago, so I popped the cover off to let it dry out. I've got all the cables out of the connectors and I see no evidence of water damage. I've reassembled it to try out, but it doesn't fire up. The battery is good and appears to take a charge. My next step is to disassemble it again, get out the isopropyl alcohol and clean everything. After it dries I hope it will function. 🧐
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
@martytoo Thanks for keeping us updated on your journey with your Fire tablet and FireOS 8.3.1.3 ... It's an epic.

FWIF, I've found that random crashes of Android apps are a combination of "overloaded" internal storage and/or RAM.

Selectively cleaning out the system cache partition, app data caches and app user caches helps a lot.

Freeing up RAM by uninstalling and/or temporarily stopping apps is also useful.

From my experiences with Fire tablets (and other Android devices), keeping internal storage usage under 75% and RAM under 50% keeps things running smoothly ... but I'm probably being over conservative.

Android and Android device manufacturers have storage/memory management utilities/tools included; Fire tablets don't.

At the basic user level, I've used simple utilities like Device Info, Fille by Google, CCleaner to keep things under control ... I'm sure there are more sophisticated, technical tools available.

Edit. Downloading media from streaming sources like Spotify and Amazon Prime take up a surprising volume of internal storage; move to external storage where possible.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] therealhiphop:
Good to know. I'm looking to buy a used one, but it already has the latest firmware. I'm hoping to be able to install and run FTB on it. Is it still working ok for you? TIA.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] veda1:
@blaacksheep @Datastream33​

Everything seem to be working fine now. Thanks for a wonderful tool as well as for helping us. :)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] martytoo:
Yes, I agree with all of this but my post is about Gmail. When I asked this forum for help with the Gmail app the consensus was that there was no reason for me to try to get it to work because it was impossible to get that app working on the Fire OS based tablets. Thus my question. Am I the only one on the planet with Gmail working on one of these tablets?

Secondary is whether there might be a use for this type of cache clean up when the Toolbox does its thing. That is, will it make other apps work or work with less lag or other issues.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] obvious:
Edit: DOH! I hadn't downloaded any voices in text to speech (android) settings in the language section

Could someone do me a favour and see if they can replicate a problem? :) Google Play Books gives me the error

"Please install a text-to-speech engine that supports English" when I open a book and select "read aloud" from the menu.

Google speech services are installed from play store. Fire HD 10 10th gen
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Rickt1962:
The Refurbished one I got had V 7.3.2.4
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
It would appear that most if not all of the refurbs have versions later than 7.3.2.2 on them. You might still find an earlier version in the big box stores though. It all depends on how old their stock is.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
It's a common problem ... But it's not so obvious, @obvious.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
A new Fire HD10 may be launching soon? 12th Gen?

A new Amazon Fire tablet is coming soon (probably an updated Fire HD 10) - Liliputing

A new Amazon Fire tablet is coming soon (probably an updated Fire HD 10)

liliputing.com
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] fradenX:
The custom launcher works with the Custom Key, but the home button looks a bit different. It stays white on white background so it looks invisible then. ideally, the shortcut flow would be best, but whenever i press home button, it twitches with recent apps 3 times, then it goes back to the fire launcher. my device is fire hd 10 2021 (11th gen) btw
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
Hi, and welcome to XDA!

To fix the custom home button invisibility problem, there is an option under Modify System Settings to enable Night Mode (Dark Theme). Using it will put most of your your apps into dark mode thus eliminating the hidden home button. On any apps this doesn't fix, usually you can find a dark mode setting under the app's settings to enable this feature.

I don't know what you mean by "twitching with recent apps 3 times". I've never experienced anything like that. Could you clarify further?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Ccyd:
Can I use toolbox on a Kindle fire version 8.5.1 ? All I see is Amazon fire, no Kindle. Thanks in advance. :)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
Hi, and welcome to XDA!

Kindle fire tablets are the same thing as Amazon Fire tablets, so yes, you can use Toolbox on it. :) If you've got firmware version 8.x.x.x, it sounds like you have a new FireHD 7 (2022). If so, you'll probably want to let it update to v8.3.1.4 for best compatibility with Google apps. If you're on firmware v7.3.2.x, you'll probably not want to allow any updates because they will remove some of the abilities of Toolbox to work it's magic.(y)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
@blaacksheep

There seems to be a bit of confusion over the nomenclature of the various older Amazon Fire tablets and Kindle devices.

@Ccyd device appears tobe a Kindle Fire HD 8.9" (2nd Generation) (ca 2012 ?)

From the Amazon Source code archive :

(https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=200203720) ,

Kindle Fire HD 8.9" (2nd Generation) appear to be running

kindle_src_8.5.1_user_5158820.tar.gz

I don’t think this is the same as FireOS (although it may be Linux based?) If it's not FireOS, will FTB still work in this situation? I don't see Kindle Fire HD 8.9" (2nd Generation) on @Datastream33's FTB device compatability list/chart on OP#1, but I may be wrong.

Also ref:

Amazon Kindle vs Amazon Fire tablet: we'll help you understand the difference | TechRadar

EDIT: Looking at some XDA threads, Kindle Fire HD 8.9 may be rootable.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
You're right, Jumbo100. I hadn't considered he may mean an older Kindle. I'm still fairly new to the Amazon tablet scene having just started with a 2019 model.

If it's the 2012 model you pointed towards, it's probably not going to work too well with Toolbox but the older tablets have mostly been rooted so he could probably do better that way. :)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
Oldies but Goodies ... 🙃
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Ccyd:
Wow Jumbo100, on the money. I am new to kindle fire. I have rooted phones in the past, just not a kindle. Can you direct me to instructions on how to do this ? Thanks in advance.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Ccyd:
Blacksheep, my wife's family from Youngstown. Beautiful up there. :)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
Lots of XDA threads avanilable ... Use XDA search to find one that's easiest for you.

Typical

https://xdaforums.com/t/root-kindle-fire-hd-8-9.1996873/
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] veda1:
Are we able to connect wireless Logitech keyboards to fire?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
Absolutely.

Fire tablets can natively connect to most physical wireless keyboard via Bluetooth or via RF (using RF transmitter and compatible OTG USB cable/dongle). Most Fire tablets support USB OTG, but not all USB OTG cables work with every Fire device (ie. micro-USB vs USB-C ports)

I've used both Logitech B/T and RF wireless keyboards seamlessly on Fire HD10 (11th Gen, 2021).
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
Satellite connectivity coming to Fire tablets?

Motorola Defy Satellite Link brings two-way satellite communication to iOS and Android devices for just $99

Motorola and Bullitt Group are partnering to introduce an affordable satellite communication device that is compatible with iOS and Android devices.

www.xda-developers.com

New motorola defy satellite link Bluetooth connected device with satellite messaging unveiled at MWC 2023 - Bullitt Group

Bullitt and Motorola debut a universal Bluetooth device using the ‘Bullitt Satellite Messenger’ service, with advanced two-way satellite messaging technology, location sharing and SOS assistance.

bullitt-group.com

Motorola Defy 2 rugged phone, Defy Satellite Link device unveiled with 2-way satellite messaging

Both support 2-way communication over satellite - the Defy 2 is an Android phone that has it built in, the Link can be paired with any Android or iOS device.

www.gsmarena.com
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
I've got a Firestick connected to my bedroom TV, and it has a wireless mouse and keyboard attached through a tiny USB dongle port.

Things you have to think about when you want to make a cheap replacement for a real HT system. . . . . . . .
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
Interesting... That sounds way cool!! Anywhere-connectivity!! Advance that idea! (I approve.)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
Also interesting is that Amazon 's "Project Kuiper" internet satellite network is now in orbit. Internet by satellites be a nice revenue stream for Jeff Bezos, don't you think? 🙄
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
Yeah, but you have to realize that it costs money to outfit the tablets with any feature.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
Oh, now you're just talking conspiracy theories! Hahaha.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] fradenX:
Hello, thank you for your prompt response. So it used to glitch 3 times, but this is what it looks like with the "Shortcut Launcher" option (on the video). You see it actually goes back to fire launcher for a split second then somehow goes to recent app.

P.S. Apologies for the bad quality video, my eyes can't stand bright lights atm
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
Hahahah. LOL!
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] hafren:
How can you find the firmware os version on a tablet that has disabled updates (settings/device options/systemupdates) doesn't display