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[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
Thanks ... I think you've confirmed that f/w 8.3.1.9 may be largely incompatible/unstable with the latest Google Play Services updates and will be an ongoing PITA for FTB users. The first Fire Max 11 units shipped with f/w 8.3.1.5 and seemed to have worked fairly well with Google Play, but with recent reports , it appears that more recent GPS infrastructure updates may be causing problems for those folk too

Hope your "Google-free" mods work ... Please keep us updated !

BTW, f/w 8.3.2.0 has just been released but I'd be surprised that it improves anything ... the Google/Amazon are "bun fights" are here to stay ! 🙃
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] XDA13686:
I server down? Fire toolbox updater and google service are stuck. I can't update or install
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Stepsie:
Thank you for the confirmation that the f/w I have is problematic, at least I know now. I will let you know how things go with the side loaded app set up. I guess if there are any updates to those apps I would need to download them again and reinstall?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
Hi, and welcome to XDA!

I believe the latest micropatch fixes the Google Services downloading problem, but if the updater is "stuck" it won't help you. If you aren't in a hurry, just shut down OTA Updates (if possible on your firmware) and apply whichever other mods you would like and try the updater again later. The update server is sometimes overloaded or otherwise unavailable but usually it works if you try again later. (y)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] XDA13686:
Hi, thanks for your reply.

I disabled OTA.

Just about Fire Toolbox app running in windows, It can not update. And it can't download google service too.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
Apps genererlly don't autoupdate themselves ; that's what the app "stores" do best. Some apps have manual update options using their own servers.

If you have a lot of sideloaded apps, consider using an "independent" app store services like F-droid or uptodown.com . Those app stores are not associated with Google or Amazon but still provide app management functions like autoupdating and malware checking. Those app store apps are generally considred to be more reliable and the apps curated are generally free of Google/Amazon download signatures.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Stepsie:
That sounds perfect, thank you I will look into those 👍
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Zahyra:
Hi there, I have a Fire Tablet 8 plus 10th gen. I was wondering if through your tool we are able to install an android operating system? I am trying to install and app: Minimalist phone, and it needs access to the home area, but the fire tablet does not allow such access
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
Minimalist Phone app is smartphone-centric and may be looking for SIM card data and/or cell/GPS signals, none of which are available on Fire tablet hardware/firmware.

Fire Toolbox is not a "rooting" utility and cannot install AndroidOS or alternatives; strictly for FireOS mods using ADB.

Minimalist Phone is a nice launcher option for smartphones, though.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Zahyra:
Yeah I found another launcher that does the job, got it from the side download option, and got the APK for Olauncher. It does the same job, which I like. Yeah it doesn't have the helpful features to stop your overuse of apps, but I have that on my phone, which is enough
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] wish_:
Hi, the other 2 apps disabled as well and there was a third system update app as well I which I disabled. I've now enabled the wifi and downloaded my google apps but I cannot register the device with amazon. The option is there in the amazon launcher with the banner which say's register, but when you press it, it doesn't do anything. I was thinking maybe to try factory resetting again and then using fire toolbox v32.0 instead of v32.1, that's what I used a month ago to get it working. Thanks for your help with this.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
Just use Manage Amazon Apps > Manual tab > Simple (Recommended) option to re-enable Amazon Appstore and then launch it. You'll be asked to sign in and that will unlock your apps. (y) (You might also need Device Setup enabled to complete the task.)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Eiion:
I'm sorry but none of that answers my question. I'm quite familiar what the toolbox is about, how it works, have used it many times in the past and have given other users help in the thread myself before. I'm just not up to date on the topic which is why I'm commenting to ask.

While your very broad reply might give someone without any experience on the matter at all a hint of what the toolbox is about in the first place (and they might gather as much from the original post) it's of no help to me asking a very specific question that your reply unfortunately doesn't answer.

This all is just a short text about what Toolbox in general terms can do; to some but not all models; even more loosely because differences of firmware versions.

So while I appreciate you trying to help people without any knowledge on the matter, I would like to kindly suggest to try and keep answers to questions based on what was actually asked specifically - or simply not answer in case you do not know the answer. Just to save the inquirer but also yourself the time and trouble.

I'm sorry Jumbo - don't take this too personally, I'm aware this is a personal issue and some others might not care at all - but replies that appear like copy/paste because they aren't even aiming to answer a very specific question with an extremely generalized answer are just annoying to me: I get notified about a reply and when coming on xda-devs to read it I have to find out that it has basically nothing to do with my question.

What I was asking (I wasn't suggesting something as you imply) was if if there was an up to date list of what we can do and can't do with Toolbox to quickly have a look to find out if Toolbox still is able to do certain changes (ad Google Services, Play Store integration, ad a custom launcher, turn off OTA updates) for newly bought tablets (i.e. newest firmware on specifically the HD 10 plus and max 11). Or if there is no list a yes or no to the important criteria mentioned.

Buying one of the two tablets during the current sale and having to find out one or the other of the necessary manipulations aren't possible to be done anymore when the process of buying, receiving, trying out and returning is just a huge waste of resources when it could be avoided by the question I was asking.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
1. No list that I am aware of.

2. Since you are familiar with FTB (and the workarounds), you can make all your required mods for both Fire HD 10/HD10 Plus and Fire Max 11. Nothing has fundamentally changed with FTB mods since f/w 7.3.2.2 .

How well Amazon and Google infrastructures interact may he problematic, but that is independent of basic FTB mods.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Datastream33:
Greetings!

It kind of depends on the FireOS version that the tablet comes with.

A firmware of 8.1.3.5 or below means you'll have no restrictions. Fire Launcher can be disabled, making custom launchers completely viable. System apps can be disabled (you won't have to worry about OTA Updates) freeing up resources, and every other function the Toolbox performs will proceed without a hitch.

However, if you get a newer firmware then 8.1.3.6 your tablet will be flagged as "restricted" by the Toolbox. The restricted flag means that the firmware has been locked down. System apps can no longer be disabled, as some apps have been marked as "protected" by the package manager. Meaning, OTA Updates, Special Offers (lockscreen ads), Fire Launcher, and various other packages can no longer be disabled. It's at this point that we have to rely on workaround strategies such as restricting the background processes of the OTA packages (or blocking via DNS resolvers), using third-party tools such as Automate/Launcher Hijack to use custom launchers, and blocking lockscreen ads via the "LOCKSCREEN_AD_ENABLED" settings database flag with monitoring for changes via automate. Not really a fun time, but its all we've got.

As far as Google Services goes... it seems there's issues with it running on FireOS 8. If I remember correctly, the Play services APK would fail to install, and then one day an OTA was released that magically fixed the issued. As for the latest issues, it's been reported that apps that rely on Google Services are seeming to crash for no apparent reason on the Max 11. Not entirely sure what's going on there.

So to answer your question, all functions of the Toolbox will work on the Max 11/HD 10+... it just depends on the firmware your tablet comes with that makes the biggest difference on how the Toolbox works with your tablet.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Datastream33:
Alright, let's talk about the installer for the Linux port real quick...

I've mainly been working on the dependency check portion, and would like to get your guy's feedback on the matter. I've configured the installer to setup a virtual python environment that the Toolbox will run within. The pip modules are then installed into this virtual environment. Using this method, I was able to get the toolbox to run on Manjaro, and LUbuntu... all distros the Toolbox wouldn't run on before. Specifically with LUbuntu it no longer complains about using pipx as we're using a virtual environment with it's own pip modules instead.

What do you guys think about this change?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] yamato2211:
Hi all, I want to ask that if I sell my fire HD, can it be factory reset and new owner can reinstall firetoolbox?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] degemiller:
This may have been asked, but will this still work if you've owned the tablet for a while? I'm on it right now and have the Google play store installed and Android apps running on it fine, but will this still work?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] jhford:
I have setup my new HD 7 and it's working well, except for 2 minor annoyances. The Amazon Shopping app doesn't work regardless of launching it from the Play Store or the ever-present HD 7 Home Page. Is there a fix for this? Also, the Home Page with all the built-in apps persists even though I'm using Launcher Hijack with Nova Launcher. Can I hide that page? See attached. Thanks
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] LordUnderling:
I think that it's necessary. At this moment for sure.

Another possibility might be for someone to work on turning "pysimplegui" into a Linux distro software package installable through the distro package management. Everything else required by FTB has already been done so. This is what is hindering FTB on Linux.

I don't know how easy or how difficult that may be. You've already done a lot of heavy lifting.

I've been looking around Debian's website to see if there may be a "python3-pysimplegui", which is what this package will probably end up being called, somewhere in the pipeline but to no avail. I found nothing listed among their "testing" (beta) packages or even among their "unstable" (alpha) packages. Nobody is working on this as of yet.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] gdroid666:
"However, if you get a newer firmware then 8.1.3.6 your tablet will be flagged as "restricted" by the Toolbox. The restricted flag means that the firmware has been locked down"

FTB V32 flags my tablet as restricted even thought it is on 8.3.1.5

do you plan on fixing the issue with 8.3.1.5 or should I do as other have suggested and use v31 with micro patch?

I am willing to wait it out a bit more.

also the updated crashes and I can not install the micropatch, I am on Win 8.1 righ now though

I will try my other computer when it is fixed.

I am just unsure if it is bad to use v31 without the micropatch.

I already did one tablet that got updated to 8.3.1.9 and so far I haven't the issues reported with Google play services and Google apps like gmail,photos etc.

I don't want to risk messing it up, I used v31 on the first one I think.

I feel like the people reporting the issue with google apps crashing all tried to install google play/services apps manually before using the toolbox,

and that maybe doing so modified one the hidden partitions that is not fully reset after doing a fcotry data reset on the max 11, could that be a possibility?

could borked first attempt at google play via manually installing the apk's (maybe wrong version apsk's?) cause something to get messed in a hidden partition that a reset wil not put back?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] bo2000:
Hi,

I try to install the Google services on my Fire 11, but the toolbox (32.1) closes itself without an error when trying to download the files.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] jhford:
Is there a way that I can clone my HD 7 custom setup to other HD 7s to give as gifts to family members?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Datastream33:
Greetings!

The hardest issue on this journey has been detecting pip modules, and other libraries (tkinter, and PiL ImageTK) outside of the installer's virtual environment. Needless to say we're using a sh script for that now...

Anyway, I don't think we will ever see PySimpleGUI in the package repositories unfortunately. However, we do have tkinter in there. As far as im aware, PySimpleGUI is simply a wrapper for tkinter and relies on it. So I can see why they would just wanted to keep it as a module.

Have been able to get the Toolbox running in Manjaro, Mint, Neon, and LUbuntu without much issues (It's been tough getting the Installer itself to work) so I believe the virtual environment is the way to. This way we don't have to worry about pipx and all that jazz. :D
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Datastream33:
It looks like the links have been completely shutdown. Working on a fix...
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Datastream33:
Ok, welp... it seems pastebin had enough of us and turned off the bins that contained pointers for the download links. I've updated the Toolbox to include new pointer links using rentry.co instead of pastebin.com. As a result, *downloads in V32.2 are now working once more!

* Downloads will ONLY work in V32.2 and above. Make sure you obtain the new build from the OP!

I've also updated the device detection code so it will no longer set FireOS 8.3.1.5 as restricted.

Downloads​

Version​

Installer (.exe)​

Portable (.zip)​

V32.2​

Download​

Download​
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] bo2000:
Thank you.

Can confirm: Downloads are working.

But I get an error while downloading/installing the Contac Sync (Fire Max 11 - OS 8.3.1.9)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
This may be a further problem with Google/Amazon working together. I had this problem on my FireHD 8 (2020). The rest of the apps install and work to the extent that they will. Contact syncing can be a hit or miss problem. You can try sideloading the app from apkmirror.com. The version I suggest is the last v9 which I've linked to. It supports Android 6+. It should install without any difficulties and if it does work, should also update itself to v10 if your tablet supports it. v10 requires Android 11 which is what the 11Max is based on so you could try one of the v10's. Regardless of it installing, it may not work due to missing parts of Android in FireOS. YMMV.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] darbNator:
Anyone know how to get the fantasy football app Sleeper running again on the fire tablet? It just recently decided to say update but the play store says the tablet is unsupported and downloading some apks to sideload won't install.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] DJames1:
I originally ran the Toolbox version 5.1 on my Fire HD 8 (2018). Couldn't get it to work on Win7, but managed to get it working on Win10. Installed the Google Play Store successfully, blocked OTA updates... or so I thought. It turned out that OTA updates were not successfully blocked.

So getting back to this today, planning to attempt to disable updates again, I downloaded the latest Toolbox version 6.0. Same experience with Win7, installs but won't work (seems to be driver issues), but seems to install and run ok on Win10.

Issues:

- 2 files are now reported as containing a virus rather than just one.

- Seems that version 5.1 is leftover somehow, because launching 6.0 after installation actually launched 5.1 - and then 6.0 separately after a hidden window was revealed. Same whether I uninstalled 5.1 first or installed over top of it.

- There's an initial message about looking for Notifications, which can be there for either a long time or a short time before 6.0 UI launches. Then there's a popup message saying that I'm apparently running 5.1 for the first time (incorrect, I'm not running 5.1 at all, and if I were it wouldn't be the first time).

In the end I got the Toolbox 6.0 to launch successfully and connect to my tablet on Win10. But given the issues with the Toolbox, the fact that disabling updates didn't work in 5.1 and there are no reported changes in that area, and that no harm appeared to come to the tablet from the last Amazon update, I decided it wasn't worth the risk to try again.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] duh1:
I think you misunderstood what I was suggesting. Trying to incorporate rooting methods in your tool would add far more bugs and issues than I think you would be willing to support. What I was saying is that you should have two versions of each your scripts, one version for non-rooted devices that are much more restricted in what they can do, and another version for rooted devices that can accomplish the tasks much more easily and permanently. Then simply give the users the option of which set of scripts they want to use. Perhaps you can reread what I wrote in this light.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Datastream33:
You sure can my friend. Here it is.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Datastream33:
Yes, I do believe I misread your comment. I do, however, completely understand your request and I'll do my best to implement it into the next update to the Toolbox. ;)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Datastream33:
Hmm, I would try killing the adb.exe process and then try again. This happens sometimes because ADB begins to hang (not sure why, or at least in my experiences it does). Killing adb may fix the problem and if not I would try uninstalling all previous versions of the Toolbox and reinstall V6.0. Good luck! ;)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Datastream33:
Awesome! So glad to hear! In regards to clean installs, I believe you are spot on my friend! A clean install is always recommended! :D
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] slinson:
I did 6.0 clean installation (never had any previous version installed). Upon running I only got a msg saying "Checking notification server for notifications. Please wait." A few seconds after the window is gone. Nothing after that.

I even tried to delete C:\Users\%USERNAME%\AppData\Local\Datastream\Notification_history.txt file before launching, but it's always the same result (and Notification_history.txt file keeps coming back every time, with a value of 0 inside)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Datastream33:
Ok, let's figure this out and find out what's going on. But, I'm going to need your help. Can you please read this post and then download the .zip file attachment and run it? This will disable force close of cmd on error and will let us know where the error is occuring if there is output. Good luck and I look forward to hearing from you. Also, if you need further help please reach out to me. ;)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] slinson:
ok here's the message:

the system cannot find the file specified

the system cannot find the path specified

ECHO is off

there should not be 0 (--> this last part is what I translated to English as my OS is in a different language, so I'm not sure what the original is)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Datastream33:
Ok, can you please list the files found in the %localappdata%\Datastream folder?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] slinson:
Ok here it is :)

C:\USERS\USERNAME\APPDATA\LOCAL\DATASTREAM

| NotificationCenter.txt

| Notification_history.txt

| Theme.txt

| themeset.ds

| ToolboxRoot.txt

| ToolboxVersion.txt

|

\---Amazon Fire Toolbox V6.0

| Amazon Fire Toolbox (Select Mode Disabled).bat

| Amazon Fire Toolbox V6.0.exe

| Amazon Fire Toolbox.bat

| Changelog.txt

| Icon.ico

| unins000.dat

| unins000.exe

|

+---adb

| adb.exe

| adbinstall.bat

| AdbWinApi.dll

| AdbWinUsbApi.dll

| Cleanup.bat

| fastboot.exe

| GetDevice.bat

| shell.bat

|

+---bin

| +---AdsRemover

| | Execute.bat

| | mtk-su

| | Notice.vbs

| | SendKeys.bat

| | Shell.bat

| |

| +---AppSelector

| | RemoveAppSelector.exe

| | RestoreAppSelector.exe

| |

| +---AutoDebloat

| | FireKeyboard.vbs

| | FireLauncher.vbs

| | FireLauncher7Gen.vbs

| |

| +---FileSelector

| | OpenFileBox.exe

| | SaveFileBox.exe

| |

| +---Fire Drivers

| | FireDrivers.exe

| | InstallDrivers.vbs

| |

| +---GBoard

| | GBoard.apk

| |

| +---Google Services

| | AccountMgr.apk

| | AssitantLauncher.apk

| | Framework.apk

| | Google.apk

| | PlayServices.apk

| | PlayStore.apk

| |

| +---Help

| | Automate.txt

| | ParentalControl.txt

| |

| +---Launcher Hijack

| | LauncherHijack.apk

| |

| +---mtk-su

| | | Architect.bat

| | |

| | +---arm

| | | adb.exe

| | | AdbWinApi.dll

| | | AdbWinUsbApi.dll

| | | Execute.bat

| | | fastboot.exe

| | | mtk-su

| | | Notice.vbs

| | | SendKeys.bat

| | | Shell.bat

| | |

| | \---arm64

| | adb.exe

| | AdbWinApi.dll

| | AdbWinUsbApi.dll

| | Execute.bat

| | fastboot.exe

| | mtk-su

| | Notice.vbs

| | SendKeys.bat

| | Shell.bat

| |

| +---NewPipe

| | NewPipe.apk

| |

| +---NoCur

| | NoCur.exe

| | ShowCur.exe

| |

| +---Notifications

| | Notification.bat

| | winhttpjs.bat

| |

| +---Nova Launcher

| | NovaLauncher.apk

| |

| +---Parental Control Hide

| | ParentalControlHide.apk

| |

| +---Root Methods

| | sfk.exe

| | wget.exe

| |

| +---Smart YoutubeTV

| | smartyoutubetv.apk

| |

| +---System Apps Remover

| | SystemAppsRemover.apk

| |

| +---System Backups

| +---ThemeSelector

| | ClassicBlue.bmp

| | MidnightBlue.bmp

| | Notify.vbs

| | Terminal.bmp

| | Theme.txt

| | themeset.ds

| | ToolboxThemeSelector.exe

| |

| +---Update Service

| | Changelog.vbs

| | download.exe

| | Icon.ico

| | notification.txt

| | notifu.exe

| | replacer.bat

| | SetConsole.exe

| | sfk.exe

| | Shortcut.exe

| | Update.bat

| | wget.exe

| | winhttpjs.bat

| |

| +---WallChanger

| | Wallchanger.apk

| |

| \---Youtube Vanced

| MicroG.apk

| YouTubeVanced.apk

|

+---Buttons

| batbox.exe

| Box.bat

| Button.bat

| GetInput.exe

| Getlen.bat

|

\---Updates

\---Notifications

aot.ahk

AoT.txt

AutoHotkeyA32.exe

batbox.exe

Box.bat

Button.bat

Changelog.vbs

download.exe

GetInput.exe

Getlen.bat

MessageBox.exe

replacer.bat

SetConsole.exe

sfk.exe

StartNotificationService.vbs

Thumbs.db

Trans.ahk

wget.exe

WindowPlugin.ahk

winhttpjs.bat

WinMove.ahk