yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
Yeah, that links directly to the .txt file to use in DNS66, but DNS66 takes too long to start up and will allow the connection before it starts. If you open the file in notepad you can use the list of servers (there's 6 if I remember) to block with your PiHole. Just remember that a PiHole only works on your own network and not on someone else's network. You don't need that list if using RethinkDNS.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] That_AC:
Trying to be helpful.

woot dot com today is offering

woot is an amazon company.

Fire HD 8 Tablet, 8" HD Display (2020 release, 10th Gen) - Designed for Portable Entertainment - Ad Supported (Scratch & Dent)

Wow they are down to just 32 gb black units for 30 + 6 ship unless you have prime then its free ship.

If someone was trying to find an older unit to work with, this seems like a good deal.

I get no commission or benefit from this, other than maybe some good karma from people who want to save a few bucks.

Please don't nuke me from orbit.

TAC

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[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
Hi, and welcome to XDA!

As far as I know, cheep deals are welcome in this group so long as they aren't spammed continuously. There are regularly posted deals on Fire devices posted in this group. Look back a few pages and you'll find them! 😄

Edit: I just had a look around on woot.com and I could not find any deals on Fire HD 10 tablets, at least not from the US site. I don't know if they have alternate servers for Canada or other countries.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] That_AC:
Sadly it appears they sold out and swapped in a different item.

woot is US only I believe.

I was to slow in posting about it.

But they now know they can move a bunch of them, even scratch & dent, really fast so they might be checking the warehouses for more.

edited bit -

I didn't hallucinate it....

Fire HD 8 Tablet (2020, 10th Gen) (S&D)

Fire HD 8 Tablet (2020, 10th Gen) (S&D)

computers.woot.com

looks like it sold out by 1pm central time.

Woot - Amazons Discount Outlet store for stuff.

If i see it come up again, I'll try to be quicker about posting it.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
fyi

WOOT only ships to the "lower 48". No international ops.

Free shipping for Amazon Prime members.

Even allows returns on most products.

Really cheap deals on Fire tablets refurbed but "scratch & dented" and not "pristine" enough for Amazon's general warranty refurb inventory.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
On time sensitive deals, try to give a clean (sanitized, without your cookies) link to the offer so that people who want to take advantage can click and go directly there. I say sanitized, because that long string of numbers and letters and punctuation at the ends of the link address often carries a whole bunch of your unique userdata with it. Try to open up a private browser window and find the item without signing in to the site to get a sanitized link.

I only mention this because many people will just copy the link on their signed-in browser and paste it to share the link. Not a great idea.

@Jumbo100 - I'd only looked at woot once or twice before and didn't know how far their reach was. I didn't want to exclude the possibility that I was on the US site and there might be other national IP addresses for other countries that the deal may exist on. 🍻
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] wingchangwow:
The download link to the installer seems to be broken, and the portable version doesn't seem to be able to download google services either.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
Hi, and welcome to XDA!

I just tried the installer link and it downloaded without a hitch. Link

Maybe you have some sort of ad blocking or other firewall type protection that you could disable. The link works fine.

Also, make sure you run the updater before you use Toolbox because we're on V30.3 now and the Google links in V30.2 don't work. ;)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] wingchangwow:
I found another copy elsewhere and it appears I'm getting 403 Access denied errors for every download link. For whatever reason the AWS is rejecting my requests. Anybody able to send me a copy of their local install?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
I just sent you a PM with the file. Make sure to run the updater too.

Edit: It's not recommended to get the file from somewhere else because of the risk of malware.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] wingchangwow:
If anybody else is having the same issue where you seem to be unable to connect to the download links, 1) try using a VPN. 2) If you have an eero router, turn on the guest network and use that. Apparently eero likes to block access to sites it deems untrustworthy but the guest network gets around that.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] esarve:
Hello, does this tool support Fire HD 8 (12 Gen). It seems it support 12 gen version of Fire 7 but didn't see any mention for 12 gen fire hd 8
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] saystanislam:
Hi! I bought my Fire Tab HD 8 (2022) firmware version 8.3.1.8 yesterday.

And already managed to use fire toolbox, I set up almost everything I wanted, however two questions remained:

1. Is it possible to remove the navigation bar? It takes up too much space, especially on the split screen.

2. Is it possible to set split screen mode so that one of the windows can be reduced to any minimum size. The default is that I cannot make one of the screens smaller than ~1/3 of the screen size. Is there any way to fix this? To control the size of the windows as I want.

Thank you!
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
Hi, and welcome to XDA!

I can answer your first question. Yes, it's possible to hide or remove the navbar with Toolbox. Go to the Modify System Settings subtool > System UI tab > Navigation Bar tool. In the drop-down, select Disable or Hide. Hide just means you have to swipe up from the bottom for it to appear.

I'm sorry I don't know the answer to your second question. Someone else may be able to help you with that. I've only fooled around with split screen mode once or twice because it's not native to Android 9 (FireOS 7) and I don't use it on my phone because my eyes aren't that good anymore.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
That tablet isn't on the officially supported list yet, but you can report the codename of the tablet here and ask Datastream33 to add support. I'm sure he'll add it to the list of supported devices in the next micropatch update. :)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
To clarify, Fire Toolbox V30.3 definitely supports Fire HD8 Gen 12 (2022) tablets, but the OP 1 user notes have not been updared recently to reflect all current models.

Fire HD8 12th Gen (2022)

Model : KFRAWI (2GB), KFRAPWI (3GB)

Codename : Raphite

@Datastream33 - FTB device identification update on OP 1 user notes, please .
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
As you noted, later versions of FireOS 7/8 appear to limit splitscreen ratios as 1:2 , 2:1 , or 1:1 only.

Often a moot point, as intensive multitasking is greatly hampered by limited RAM capacity on Fire tablets.

# Edit #

As a side note, you're one of the first FTB users to report using f/w version 8.3.1.8 ... have you noticed any unusual or unexpected behaviors ?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] saystanislam:
Thank you for your response!

Navigation Bar tool > Disable / Hide unfortunately does not work!

The fire toolbox says that changes have been made, but the navigation bar is still there.

Maybe there is some adb command that can help? Thank you!
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] saystanislam:
It's hard for me to compare.

I opened the box, initial set up, the update came.

1. Navigation bar is not removed by the fire toolbox is something I do not like.

2. After uninstalling Amazon apps (recommended), videos stopped playing through the browser when the screen was locked.

Other than that, everything seems to be fine.

Is it possible to rollback the firmware? To the one where the navigation bar can be removed.

And about "limit splitscreen ratios as 1:2 , 2:1 , or 1:1 only" can it be changed somehow with adb commands ?

Thank you!
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
Okay, I found a short description of how to do it with ADB for Android 10 and below.

With the following ADB shell commands, it is possible to hide the Android status bar in the top of the screen and/or the soft navigation keys bar in the bottom of the screen (if applicable)

Hide status bar

adb shell settings put global policy_control immersive.status=*

Hide navigation bar

adb shell settings put global policy_control immersive.navigation=*

Hide both status and navigation bars

adb shell settings put global policy_control immersive.full=*

Revert back to stock configuration

adb shell settings put global policy_control null*

Note that the asterisk (*) in the above commands is a literal character. Do not substitute it by somehting else, it is literally an *.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
Thanks for the feedback. We're always trying to determine what changes Amazon has made to FireOS with each f/w upgrade , for better or worse.

A couple of thoughts.

1. Split Screen Display

Android 7 (and later) has multiple options for screen displays and it is up to the device manufacturers how it is implemented on their devices . Split Screen mode is the default. From Android dev documentation:

Support multi-window | Android Open Source Project

source.android.com

What you want is "Free Form" mode; the ADB command would be:

adb shell settings put global enable_freeform_support 1

However FireOS 8 (AOSP mod of Android 11) may/mat not have have implemented this setting option in it's code. It's obviously not included in stock FireOS display option settings.

2. Rolling back FireOS Updates.

As a general rule, Amazon does not allow rollback of OTA updates. Updates are "burned in" and cannot be reverted. A factory reset will not restore an updated Fire device to OOTB f/w, but only to the last f/w update installed. Amazon has "locked down" the bootloader since early f/w 7.1.x , so any attempt to change FireOS installed version is blocked.

From user reports, f/w 8.3.1.3/8.3.1.4 were freely amenable to ADB commands (such as removing NavBar), but from your experience Amazon may have begun "protecting" some setting from change. Full extent TBD.

F/w 8.3.1.4 is available for download on Amazon Supports site, but it has been suggested that installing older f/w over a newer f/w version could potentially "hard brick" a Fire device. IDK.

3. Video Playback Problems.

Not sure of your problem. Which video player is giving you trouble?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] kylecreate:
Hi there, just joined the forums. I've been trying this out for a little while now and I'm sorta stuck. When opening the toolbox, it tells me that my device wasn't detected even though it's plugged in and I've installed the drivers needed. I have Developer Mode enabled and USB debugging enabled as well. Currently using Windows 10 (latest update), my tablet is 8th Gen (2018), and using the most recent version of the toolbox. Hopefully this helps and I can figure out what's going on. Thanks for the help and thank you for creating this!
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
Hi, and welcome to XDA!

Let's check to make sure your drivers are installed properly. Plug the tablet into your computer. Open Device Manager on your computer and verify that there are NO yellow exclamation marks next to any of the listed devices. If there are any, run Windows Update to see if it picks up anything.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] kylecreate:
Thanks! Tablet is plugged in and there's nothing in the Device Manager with a yellow exclamation mark next to anything and there aren't any updates in the Windows Updates section either.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
Okay, first make sure your tablet is awake and unlocked with the display on. Connect it to your computer. Launch Toolbox and look at your tablet. A panel should appear on your tablet to accept the USB Debugging connection. You'll need to tick the box at the bottom that says something like "Always accept this connection..." and then tap "OK".

Some of the tablets will only respond when in PTP (camera) mode. You may have to switch that on the swipe-down menu before it will connect.

If that fails, disconnect your tablet from the computer. Go into the developer options and turn off USB debugging. Tap on "Revoke USB debugging authorizations" . Turn USB debugging back on. Reboot your tablet. Repeat the first step and you should see something on your tablet. Try PTP and File Transfer modes.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] kylecreate:
I followed these instructions and nothing has popped up letting me know that I should accept the connection or anything. Nothing shows up on the program as well. Strange...
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
Then it must be a driver issue. Go back into Device Manager and see if the first item listed

when the tablet is connected to the PC

is "Android Device". If you click on that, it should expand a level and show "Android ADB Interface". You should also see further down the list "Portable Devices" and if you click on that, it should expand a level and show you "Fire". There should not be yellow exclamation marks next to any of these. You can click on Action in the menu bar and select "Scan for hardware changes" to rescan the device tree.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] saystanislam:
Thank you for your response! Unfortunately none of the commands give any results!

8.1.3.8 has clearly changed a lot the approach to hiding the navigation bar.

Thank you for your reply, but alas this command does not work either!

Bottom line:

Based on the negative results, there is the following question!

Is it possible to get root rights and configure everything I need:

1. Hide the status bar.

2. activate "free form" for Split View.

Thank you so much for responding!

PS

Brave Browser. It used to play videos perfectly when the screen was locked.

Maybe the installed Google services killed this feature?

And one more think:

I don't know how it was before! But now there is a separate package com.android.internal.systemui.navbar.threebutton

By its name, it is clearly responsible for the navigation bar.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
You could try disabling that package by looking it up in Toolbox under Manage Amazon Apps > Manual tab > Advanced. Wait for it to scan all your apps (it takes 30-60 seconds) and then look for that app and disable it. Then the built-in navbar might function normally. You can try out the settings in Modify System Settings > System UI tab > Navbar (enable/hide/disable).
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] ForForkSake:
Not sure if it's because I've disabled the amazon launcher. But 8.3.1.3 doesn't even have gesture navigation so it'll never let me disable nav

Using shizuku and systenui tuner the option to enable Immersivs also does nothin

freeform is one of the last options in develer settings.. And freeform compatibility.. Enabled.. In the switcher I only have app info or pin app

Tried enabling it via the command you posted and also via systemui tuner... Nada

Not sure if anything I debloated will cause this, but as I don't need those features I am not not risking breaking with my daughters 7 12th gen setup..

It's not that I can't do it. . Its simply.. If she's happy I'm happy 👌
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] kylecreate:
I went into the Device Manager, but of course that isn't listed and neither was Portable Devices. So, I went and grabbed the drivers that were needed and followed the instructions from this website. The items below the Android Devices all have the yellow exclamation mark on them even though they're updated. Nothing popped up on the device either.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
You want the third choice -

Amazon Kindle Fire ADB and Fastboot Drivers​

Then follow their tutorial and you should be good.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] saystanislam:
I tried blocking all apps that mention the navigation bar! I succeeded, but alas, it did not remove the navigation bar! It's still at the bottom of the screen!

So I'll go a different way! I ordered a new HD 8 2022. And this one with the firmware 8.3.1.8 back.

Tell me how to properly configure the tablet right out of the box! So it doesn't get this fatal update again!

If you can step by step instructions!

Thank you!
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
Now that you've disabled that app (you did disable that navbar app, didn't you?), go back to the System UI Tuner and try hiding or disabling the navbar again.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] kylecreate:
I've installed the drivers again and rebooted my computer. It seems in the Device Manager it's called LeMobile Android Device with all 3 of the interfaces there. However, they have yellow exclamation marks next to them even though they're already updated through Windows update. The device is plugged in but says it still doesn't show in the toolbox.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] saystanislam:
I intuitively tried this method! (System UI Tuner and try hiding or disabling the navbar again.)

But alas, it didn't help! The switches just hung in a check status!

Then I decided to manually give adb commands! But the answer came, stanislavm@MBP-Stanislav-2 ~ % adb shell settings put global policy_control null*

zsh: no matches found: null*

So I decided to go hardcore)))) And replace the tablet!

How do I properly configure the new one? So that I make all the edits I need and don't get an update?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
Here is the guide linked from the original post in this thread. Normally Windows 10 will install the needed drivers by itself if you followed instructions without further ado. Check out that guide to get the proper drivers installed. The drivers that you've got are probably incorrect and need to be changed, not updated.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
Make sure you uncheck the box that says "Link this tablet to my Amazon account". Set up the tablet without connecting to your wifi. Activate Developer Options. Turn on ADB debugging. Run Toolbox and disable OTA Updates. Now you're safe.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] saystanislam:
Thank you! That's exactly what I'll do tomorrow!

If I can somehow help the community and "torture" the tablet with firmware 8.3.1.8. Run some tests!

I have 30 days to do this!

Just tell me what data you need.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] lexscripta:
I just got a 10plus and Tool Box doesn't recognize it.

11th Gen OS 7.3.1.9
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] lexscripta:
I just got a 10plus and Tool Box doesn't recognize it on Win 7 PC.

11th Gen OS 7.3.1.9 -
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] mokkk000:
Question:- why is the disable fire launcher option not working ??
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] kylecreate:
Thanks for the guide. I've followed it, but still no luck on my end. I'm pretty sure now it's the cable that's being weird. I'll go ahead and get a new one and report back to see if that might've fixed the problem.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] mahmudnis:
Hi, It's been 2 days I am using Fire HD 8 2022. Fire Toolbox is working great except the Google Play Store. That's not an issue for me, I just sideload the apps through Fire Toolbox. Thanks @blaacksheep & other team members.

I am experiencing very low call sound in Whatsapp, IMO etc. Call sound is way lower than the music sound. Even the music sound seems low to me. However, is there any way to boost the call sound? It's kinda emergency for me as this device will be used by my parents. They don't know much about Android.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] umichel:
Hmmm ... OK.

I used the Amazon Blocklist with pihole, but this seemes to be not complete.

I don't know if there are different server in USA or EUR.

It updeted from 7.3.2.4 to 7.3.2.7.

I noticed some new Domains in pihole from my HD 10, but I don't know what are used for updates.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
That blocklist is for the US. I don't know if they have other servers for the EU or elsewhere. There are other Amazon sites that the tablets connect to that aren't related to OTA Updates but instead are used for many other purposes. AWS uses Amazon servers and many other companies use AWS. You only need to block the servers that the firmware comes from. I'd bet that there are one or two servers on that list that could be left open and the blocking would still work but six isn't a huge number to block. If you are in another country than the US, then it's possible that they have other servers and if you are able to locate their IP addresses I'll add them to my blocklist.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] kylecreate:
So, some good news is that the problem seemed to have been the cable I was using that came with my Fire Tablet. Bought the wrong one from Amazon and Best Buy until I went back to Best Buy for a 2nd time to get the right one. I've now got my Fire all set up and ready to use with Nova Launcher and Google services. Thanks again for the guide and the help.

If anyone in the future with a Fire 8 sees this comment, replace your old cable with a PowerA - USB Charge Cable for PlayStation. It seems this is the only one that is available from my local store. Hope this helps!
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] That_AC:
Amazon Fire 7 Tablet, 7" Display, 32 GB, Black (2019 release) (Lockscreen Ad Supported)

$49.99

$6 ship or free w/ prime

Amazon Refurb, 90 day Amazon Warranty.

Amazon Fire 7 32GB Tablet (2019 Model)

Amazon Fire 7 32GB Tablet (2019 Model)

computers.woot.com

YMMV, Void where prohibited, Do not fold spindle or mutilate.

Also I don't pay much attention to the pricing on fire tablets so this might not be the great deal I think it is, if this isn't a good deal please smack me with a rolled up newspaper & give me better parameters to keep in mind.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] wizzbang3:
I have picked up one of these in the hopes of joining one of the CarPlay on the cheap club people.

Is there a recent build from Amazon which has broken ALL ability to change to Nova Launcher?

I have Fire OS 7.3.2.7 and I'll be damned if I can get Fire HD Toolbox 30.3 to switch me to Nova.

Also, I'm astounded how slow this is. I didn't expect a miracle but even after debloating this sucker is slow :(
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
New innovations coming from Google ... maybe even on Fire tablets ...

if Google apps are still/ever compatible
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] wizzbang3:
I mean who cares if you can't even change the launcher anymore? The product as a hack tablet isn't really ideal if Amazon have now successfully locked them down this hard?

I'm giving it a few more days but I'm already googling for a better solution unfortunately.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] ForForkSake:
Gotta admit. You really do get what you pay for with amazon devices.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] wizzbang3:
Yep, I got this thing cheap and I feel like a mere $50 or $100 US more would've been a vastly better product.

Huge mistake on my part.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
FYI

FireOS 8.3.1.9 now rolling out OTA

FireOS 8.3.1.4 still available for download at this time.

#Edit#

FireOS 8.3.1.8 now available for download on Amazon Supports

FireOS 8.3.1.4 removed from download archive
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] jhford:
@Jumbo100. I've been away from these threads for awhile. So, please excuse the fact that I'm not fully up to date. I have a Fire HD8 Plus (10th Generation) running f/w 7.3.2.6 since November 14, 2022, One Button Navigation, Launcher Replacer for Nova v. 6,2.19, and RethinkDNS, Can I flash a newer f/w verson that's compatible with FTB 30.2?

Thanks