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[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] VoidShade:
Guys I have disabled some amazon apps through Toolbox but I want to use Amazon Photos. How can I re enable?

Also, is there any way I could remove “activate tablet” notification?

I am using latest version of Fire OS
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
If you get over-exuberant "debloating" Amazon apps, try re-enabling by the following:

from FTB open / Manage Amazon Apps / Manual / Simple (recommended) / Restore Apps / select disabled app / Restore Selected /

I think you have to log into your Amazon account if you want to backup/upload pix to the Amazon "cloud".

Alternatively, there's always Google Photos.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] VoidShade:
Thank you for your reply.

Update: Fixed every issue thanks again
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] popomama:
I am new to Amazon Fire HD. Just got a new HD 10 from Target. Before I install anything, can anyone advise me how to check the current firmware version installed on my new Fire HD 10? Thanks.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
Open Settings /Device Options/System updates/

Do not update FireOS until you understand all the implications.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] popomama:
Thanks. Just want to make sure that after initial boot, it is safe to just go to 'Settings /Device Options/System updates/' and check the firmware version, right? ( I will not hit update software on that page.)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
Yes. If you are considering using Fire Toolbox , carefully read Post#1 Introduction before proceeding any further. Specific instructions to be followed before you do anything else.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] popomama:
Great. I just checked mine HD 10(2021) comes with 7.3.2.1. Looks like I am good to go.

One more question before I proceed. I happened to find my spouse has toolbox software (old version) installed on his laptop when he set up his HD 10 (2019) a couple of years ago. Can I just update the toolbox software on his machine to the latest v28.9 , and then plug in my new HD 10(2021) for setup? In other words, can I configure multiple fire HDs on one computer that has the firetool box software? Or do I have to have separate computer with FTB installed for each fire HD that needs to be set up? Thanks again.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
You ARE in a good position ... FireOsS 7.3.2.1 was the last firmware version without major restrictions to FTB. All details on Pos#1 and @blaacksheep post # 8,196. If you follow FTB protocols you can keep it that way. Getting harder to find Fire tablets with earlier f/w versions.

Updating FTB to cuurnt v.28.9 will update all the internal links needed.

Only need FTB setup on one PC/laptop ; all changes that FTB makes are all on the Fire tablet and not resident on PC side. So yes, one FTB setup can configure multiple Fire tablets and can make any subsequent changes freely.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
Nova Launcher

For those new to Nova Launcher on FTB, recent overview article from androidauthoruty.com :

Nova Launcher guide: Everything you need to know

Nova Launcher guide: Everything you need to know

Check out the best Nova Launcher features, the differences between the old and free versions of the launcher, and much more.

www.androidauthority.com
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] DB126:
Stop whining. I would not expect Amazon and Google to cooperate at the user-facing device level given business motivations of both entities. Not to mention the heavily subsidized price point of most Fire tables that assumes buy-in to the Amazon ecosystem. If you want the full Google experience, including assured Play Protect, purchase a pre-certified device.

Alternatively, try registering your 'custom' device w/Google:

Sign in - Google Accounts
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] exlr8:
Taken from your link to Google Accounts:

" If you are unable to add a Google Account on your Android device, your Android device software might not have passed Android compatibility tests, or the device manufacturer has not submitted the results to Google to seek approval. As a result, your device is not Play Protect certified. This means that your device might not be secure."

Interesting. Since we are able to add a Google Account on our tablets, is it safe to assume that the software passed the compatibility test? As far as being assured Play Protect certified, I would think not. So that would bring up security concerns ,no?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] i.REN:
Not cool.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
Just satirical rhetoric on Amazon business practices ... No offence intended.

My "stock" Fire HD10 (2021) with sideloaded GPS only, works really well as a basic Android device ( ... so far). Problems only when OTA diabled and Amazon debloat. Not into major modding ... I just want it to work.

BTW . I'm fully invested in Amazon ecosystem ... and Google ,too!

This is WAY thread/forum off topic.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
Cool is SO elitist!
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Thomasba:
Definitely unnecessary though we're all supposed to be in this together
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
Sorry ... So much agree. XDA ethos is all about helping each other to the best of our abilities.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Thomasba:
nooooooooo........you've got nothing to apologise for I was referring to db126 comment about stop whining
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] popomama:
I tried to download the toolbox (.zip) and it directed me to onedrive site . I got the below. Am I doing something wrong? Thanks.

This item might not exist or is no longer available​

This item might have been deleted, expired, or you might not have permission to view it. Contact the owner of this item for more information.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
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Think it's a temporary glitch with the server service hosting FTB. May need some intervention by dev @Datastream33 . Happens periodically. Stay tuned.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] popomama:
Thanks. BTW, Once downloaded, after I launch the toolbox and before I plug in my fire HD, is it a good idea/necessary to disconnect my computer from the internet in order to make sure the firmware on fireHD will not be accidentally updated? In other words, does the tool needs to be connected to the internet in order to complete its change on my FireHD? Does the download have everything needed already(such as google service, etc) after I initially install the toolbox?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] JBenhart:
Crud... I was on 12.2.2 (too late to block ota), did the dns66 block, but it didn't work. Now I'm on 12.2.4 (or whatever.) Anything I have to look out for or anything I should do or be aware of? I have Google services installed, nova, and the dns66. What else do I need to do?

Thanks,

Josh
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] DB126:
Spot on. Account add and Play Protect both active for apps downloaded from Play Store. Does not extended to Amazon exclusive apps or side loads.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] DB126:
No offense taken. FWIW, your experience on 11th gen mirrors mine along with many prior generations. Stay between the rails and life is (generally) good. Understand what you have, the cards in your hand and the dealers advantage/exposures. Everything else is just noise. :)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
Understood.

I think I (like you) have taken a more conservative approach to Fire tablets:

"Can't ERADICATE Amazon, so learn to LIVE WITH Amazon". (Hmm ... sound like a COVID mantra). The KISS principle as it were.

Many of the posts with "problems" are caused by an "overreach" of "eliminating all things Amazon" and aggressive customization. FTB is a toolbox ... just because you have all the "shiny" tools doesn't mean you have too use tham all. Your choice, as it should be.

In the end, I can't be more thankful to @Datastream33 for sharing the "magical book of spells" ... it's a wonderful opportunity. But as with all things "magical" , be careful what you wish for.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
Without being pedantic, please read/re-read Post #1 Getting Started Guide ... The most important procedure is to prevent connecting your Fire tablet to the WiFi network BEFORE you complete FTB setup, to stop an Over-the-Air update of the Fire software. Once you have re turned off OTA in the FTB setup, you're safe. If you choose, you can still register your Amaxon account later.

FTB on your PC/laptop is self-contained ... all the necessary files will be transfered to the tablet when you hookup USB cable as part of the process.

Again, follow the FTB protocols and there will be no prolems. Easy.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] JBenhart:
Sorry, 7.3.2.2 to 7.3.2.4
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
You're good to go! All the buzz about FireOS 7.3.2.1 and earlier was to get the best setup for FTB by disabling OTA updates. Unfortunately, you have a Fire tablet that already came with a newer OS update installed and it can't be rolled back. FTB is still viabe but with a reduced function set. You got Google Servises and Nova Launched up and running that should give you most of what you need to make your Fire tablet more usable. Try it out ... Can use FTB to make further changes later.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] JBenhart:
Thank you! I was concerned about Amazon blocking Google or that I wouldn't be able to ever block the ota later.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] jhford:
@Jumbo100. I assume my setup on my 7.3.2.3, which includes Nova hidden by Fire Launcher but accessible with One Button, is about all I can respect for now, right? Can't I just hide Fire Launcher permanently? And how can I make sure OTA updates are disabled, or is it to late for that? If it's too late, maybe I should return my HD 8 Plus and buy a Samsung Tab A LTE with 4G/LTE from T-Mobile, my carrier, which is also a great deal.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
One side note: you will need your computer connected to the internet to install a custom launcher or install Google Services. Toolbox downloads them from the internet. There is no need to disconnect your computer from the internet to prevent OTA updates. ;)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
Fire OS 7.3.2.3 marked some major changes in FTB functions. OTA Update can't be disbled; Lockscreen ads can't be removed; some of the "native" Amazon apps can't be disabled. See @blaacksheep post #8196 for technical details. One Button is a "work around" from earlier FireOS updates preventing replacement of Fire Launcher.

Bottomline , your current Fire tablet setup is as close to "full Android" as you can get using FTB, for the meantime. Regardless, as a "value proposition", a FTB-modified Fire tablet will be hard beat , if you can live with the limitations. Your choice.

@Datastream33 is always looking at "fixes", but Amazon is always making it harder going forward. Sisyphus comes to mind. Such is the life of an XDA dev.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Enderboy986:
I can't get the automate home button to go away after I stop the script in automate how do I get it to go away
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
I think some users forget/ignore that Fire Toolbox is a "technical exercise". It's primarily an XDA dev for XDA devs. It's experimental by nature. It is NOT "polished" commercial software intended for the general public use.

"Caute utere" ... Use with caution.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] stripealipe:
Just a quick 'Nice1!' to those involved in the development of Fire Toolbox here. Working sweet on our Fire 7 (2022) - cool bit of code :)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
From what little you tell us, it sounds like you've used Custom Navbar Key to replace the launcher. It installs Automate to work, but you've now decided you don't want it and disabled Automate, but that just leaves you a dead home button. Am I right?

Assuming I'm right, in order to get your Amazon home button back you need to open an ADB shell and type in the following command:

settings delete secure sysui_nav_bar

That will return your original home button. Be advised that restarting the Automate script will no longer work so if you want it back you'll have to re-run Custtom Navbar Key in Toolbox.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
As a precaution, may also want to diable auto-updates in Amazon Appstore and Google Play Store to proclude any "surprise" updates or update "clash". App updates will done manually.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] popomama:
Thanks Jumbo100. I just installed the FTB and configured my HD 10. The image below is what I have after I finished my configuration. I assume they look good to prevent the future update, right? Would you confirm?

But one issue I have is, now if I go to settings->Device Options and tap System Updates, it goes back to the settings page but not to the System Updates page to show the firmware information. The only way I can find the firmware information now is to go to the FTB to check. Am I the only one? Is it a known bug?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] popomama:
Thanks blaacksheep for the contribution to this forum too. I just installed FTP and configured my HD 10. But encounter one issue, as I System Updates doesn't show firmware information but instead it goes to the setting page if I tap it.

Please see my post above on #9679.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
That's the easiest way to check. You have the important updates disabled so you will soon find that checking isn't really needed. You'll know if you somehow got updated by your launcher suddenly being Amazon Launcher once again. I've never had any problems with my pre-7.3.2.1 tablet updating to a new f/w version.

Edit: you'll know it hasn't updated by the behavior you reported. ;)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
Fire Toolbox is a one-man XDA dev by @Datastream33 ... He's the core wizard ...all props to him! And he has a great community supporting him.

Have you noticed any app incompatibilités with your setup? Some users have reported some app instability/crash with Google Play and FireOS 8. Fire 7 (2022) is still new so full extent of problem not yet determined. May be just app specific.

From your FTB setup, it's all good!
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] jhford:
Does "a FTB-modified Fire tablet will be hard beat" mean that I should find one to purchase? If so, where?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
FTB mods on Fire tablets are experimental DYI ... it's not meant to o be a commercial exploit.

The relative success of the mods is in the hands of the user. I think you've done well, but you will never have a "real" Android ... it's still a Fire tablet at heart. Amazon's seen to that. XDA is devoted to technical mods of hardware/software but requires some/lots of expertise ... XDA devs live for the challenges.

If you want OTB "full Android" experience, you have to buy "real" Android.

The "value proposition" is relative to the outlvcome expectations of your FTB mods. I think you've been disappointed.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] popomama:
Thanks Jumbo100 and blaacksheep. I am installing app now, but I can't find Netflix from Google Play store. Is this normal?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
Weirdly, yes ... you won't find Disney Plus either.

Check out @Datastream33 post# 9482 ff for full explanation. Convoluted but fascinating look at the curious interplay of Amazon/Google world.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] jhford:
Prior to my recent Amazon tablet adventure, I've been a long time Nexus 7 2013 deb user/XDA ROM flasher, which I suppose you'd label "real" Android. But my 2 debs are long in the tooth and very slow, naturally. Hence, my quest. Any other suggestions for a real Android tablet? BTW, it's too late for me to return my HD 8 Plus. And my 7.3.2.3 isn't terrible, just somewhat annoying, but still amazing when I think back to the DOS days.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
A site I saw recently was https://www.headwolf.net/ . They have some nice 7-10" tablets. Amazon caries them too, but more expensive there. (y)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
XDA devs have done wonders rooting/"soft rooting" all kinds of devices including earlier gen Fire tablets. But FireOS 7 especially the current variants is a a really "hard nut" to crack I haven't seen any success posts of rooting current gen of Fire tablets ... lots of attempts though. Amazon has really locked down FireOS 7 well ... rooting possible but improbable?

FTB is marvelous kit but it is not a rooting utility. There's only so much you can do modding middleware.

I'm stuck too on 7.3.2.2+ . I've stripped down to the bare bones "stock" with minimal mods ... It's surprising effective but very boring. Good enough too be a "daily driver" if you don't push too hard.

"Annoyances are all in the mind - Ontology 101" ... Yeah, as if.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] jhford:
Thanks @blaacksheep. I guess I'll stick with my HD8 Plus for now and hope for the best from FTB.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
Amazon has some other cheap no-name Chinese tablets too. It just depends how much you are willing to pay. Those looked nice for the money and weren't too expensive.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] jhford:
What I'd really prefer is for someone to mfg new state of the art motherboards for my Nexus 7 2013 debs. :)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] i.REN:
Alright, so I googled the downgrade fail error and what I can discern is it's telling me a newer version of the app is already installed. It could be the Amazon version of the store since after a reset the Google version has not been installed. ((Well it's strange Amazon version is 22.2.0.800_1842196010 while apkmirror has 24.15.2.850 the same as AfT on Google Play. Updating the app via GPS is not possible, the only option is enable. Kindle app on GPS has an option to update but it fails. Possible Amazon is preventing the apps from updating via Google somehow?))

Also, probably unrelated but my navigation bar icons keep turning invisible.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
Definitely HAS something to do with Amazon.

My take:

1. Think of AfT as "mirror" or "avatar" for AmazonShop; both must be "in sync"

2. AmazonShop is "system" app coded into FireOS. Can't upgrade directly, only through FireOS.

3. AfT and Amazon Shop app all have the same version on GPS and apkmirror.com

4. AfF and AmazonShop work on "stock" Fire tablets.

The situation only appeared recently, so Amazon must have made a change to AmazonShop with a "microupdate" to FireOS 7. FireOS often makes small updates that don't require a full version change.

If you have OTA=OFF per FTB protocol, AmazonShop can't be updated, but AfT was updated by GPS and "looking" for a current version of AmazonShop. That's why AfT crashed and why you can't downgrade AfT. Also probably changed AfT so that is no longer backwardly compatible.

Similarly, you can't update Kindle from GPS because it's also a Fire system app.

So, AmazonShop and AfT are working just fine ,thank you ... just not on Fire tablets with FTB mods. No resolution to situation yet.

I still have't figured out how AfT got installed in the first place ... I certainly didn't KNOWING do it from GPS. Amazon , maybe ?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] jhford:
I just noticed that on 8/13/2022 my HD 8 Plus was updated to 7.3.2.4, but my kludge setup is unchanged. I still have Google Play Store, all my Google apps, Nova 6.x, One Button, etc. I don't see any difference. What updated? Will my setup stay as-is regardless of future updates? Thanks
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
FireOS 7.3.2.4 included a major Android security patch. It's the only security patch to FireOS 7 that I'm aware of, so it must be significant .

That's probably a good thing. If OS updates are transperant to you, no worries.

Since FTB mods are "middleware" tweaks, you'll always be at the "mercy" of what Amazon does to the OS. You don't what's coming. No

guarantees that it won't affect your setup in the future.

The major concern that overshadows everything is that Amazon will cripple GPS and the ability to install/run Google Play apps. THAT'S a "deal breaker". To la esser degree it's already happening with some app "incompatabilities". Amazon doesn't have "kill" GPS , just make it "inconvenient".

But don't say you weren't warned ... Amazon already says (in very fine print) that "Amazon Fire devices do not support Google Play Sevices".

Your setup is pretty good ... for now. Enjoy what you have. The future ? Que sera, sera.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] jhford:
Thanks @Jumbo100. Again, I think my setup is very close to Android, except for having to use One Button to access Nova V6.x. I hope @Datastream33 can fix that. BTW, I did not install the Amazon Shopping app from the Google Ploy Store; of course, it's accessible via the PITA Fire Launcher. Do you think there is any risk in installing from GPS at this point?

Thanks again
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Ivorin:
I inferred from something someone said here earlier that it might be possible to get Fire Tablets "Play Protect certified" by submitting the Fire tablet info to Google.

Google says, "Please register your device by submitting your Google Services Framework Android ID." Submit your device info here: https://www.google.com/android/uncertified/?pli=1

Can anyone shed more light on this?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
It was a rhetorical comment to the effect " If you're SO frustrated with GPS on your FTB-modded Fire tablet, send it to Google to get it to fixed ! 😁" .

In all seriousness, Google requires Android device manufacturers to submit their gear to be "Play Protect" certified to use Google Play Services. Most manufacturers WANT to use GPS ... obviously, Amazon doesn't. Hence ALL Fire tablets do not "officially" support GPS. That's what FTB is for!
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Ivorin:
Yes, but the link mentions custom ROMs, implying that Google would consider almost any device for Play Protect certification.

Should we really assume that Google won't simply certify Fire tablets once the info is submitted to them? Could it be that easy?! Maybe it's worth a try! :)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
Potentially a BIG risk. AmazonShop is "hard-coded" into FireOS as a "systems" app. AmazonShop installed from GPS could open a "can of worms" when it interacts with the FireOS infrastructure. See recent post re: AmazonShop/GPS hastles. Good thing you've avoided that.

I don't use Nova Launcher, but could you set up an AmazonShop widget?

Otherwise, you can get great deals on Anusol in bulk from AMAZON 😁
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
No Way 😁! You own the Fire tablet hardware but Amazon owns the software.

Most manufacturers don't use "stock" Android but make their own "customizaed" Android to enhance their product and burn their own ROM. That's what Google wants to check .. also that's why XDA exists.

From the Amazon/Google fueds, I don't think Jeff Bezos wants to get cozy with the folks at Google anytime soon.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Ivorin:
Yes, but for someone who knows how to get the info and submit it (it probably takes 5 minutes?), it's in conceivable that Google would just handwave it and certify it? They probably handwave all kinds of custom roms, after all. That's what the request form is for.

Also, wouldn't it be ironic and amusing if Google did certify all Fire tablets? Maybe intentionally, to stick it to Amazon. Maybe unintentionally because the left hand doesn't know what the right is doing.