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[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Bisonator:
I just experienced a small anomoly on my Amazon Fire Max 11, software version: 8.3.1.5

Loading Discord for the first time gave me an android notification that read:

"discord wont run without google play services which are missing from your device"

However, I had Google Play Services installed already - and have been successfully running loads of other apps downloaded from the Play Store without issue.

I clicked on the notification and it took me to the Google Play Services page in the Play Store, where there was an update waiting. I applied the update, killed all apps and reloaded Discord and still got the same notification again.

I then dismissed the notification and logged into Discord anyway to carried on regardless. Immediately after logging in successfully, that same notification appeared again!

This happened a few times but now it's no longer appearing as I load and login to Discord. So it appears to have gone away on its own.

just thought I'd mention it in case anyone else gets it. All I did was update GP Services and login to Discord, kill it, reload it a few times and the message has ceased.

Cheers

B
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] jessejgm:
Hello. I used Fire Toolbox 32.2 with my tablet Amazon Fire HD8 12th gen 2022 version Fire+OS+8.3.1.3 codename Raspite, I was able to install custom launcher NOVA and disable Fire Launcher. I was able to remove virtually all of the Amazon apps. But I am facing a problem in notes. I cannot hide the navigation bar and status bar. I found this command line in Settings Database Modifier. Can anyone help me?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Datastream33:
Awesome! So happy to hear the downloads are working as intended, and thanks for the kind words! Glad you're enjoying the Toolbox!

Ah, Washington Post. From the error output it appears the app isn't installed on the tablet. The Manage Amazon Apps tool includes packages that may not be installed on every tablet... sort of a catch all solution if you will (or laziness on my part... you be the judge ). :D
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Datastream33:
Greetings!

I can't stand being the barer of bad news... but Google has unfortunately removed the ability to modify the navigation bar via the settings database and they've even taken out overscan. I'm afraid it can't be done on FireOS 8... :(
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Datastream33:
Yeah, I've also wondered about that too.

There is a key named "game_mode" in the global table... but giving it a value of 1 doesn't make a difference. I'm starting to wonder if gamemode has to be enabled in apps that import Amazon's SDKs. The database key is probably checked when a new activity is started, and if its 1 then it disables gamemode? This is just speculation and could be entirely incorrect. I'm just spitballing here.

If you're looking to save RAM, my best advice would be to keep installed apps at a minimum or place background restrictions on the installed apps so they don't run in the background.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Datastream33:
Yeah, Play Services seems to be a real issue on the Max 11. Thanks so much for the report. :D
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Datastream33:
Alright, so I figured out what happened with pastebin and the pointer links. Pastebin themselves didn't shutdown the links... they just added cloudflare to their website, which was preventing the Toolbox from reaching it. Cloudflare was probably tripped because the Toolbox's webrequest was probably seen as a "bot" and so access was blocked. So I think that's the end of that saga. We could try bypassing cloudflare... but I'd rather not go down that route. Anyway, seems Rentry is holding out for now... so we'll just leave it at that.

Hope everyone's having a great Saturday so far!
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] kuririkura:
Or you could just provide path to folder, where anyone can put manually downloaded file?

I'm not sure, but will this page be helpful?

Game Mode interventions | Android game development | Android Developers

developer.android.com

Game Mode API | Android game development | Android Developers

developer.android.com
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] mirakulixs:
Hello guys, I ordered a Fire HD 8+ (12tf generation) and it has just arrived (of course ordered without the checkmark "link to Amazon account")

OS = Fire OS 8.3.1.2 (also factory reset)

With the tool FireToolbox V32.2 the "google services" can be installed, but after the installation and restart the login screen for the Google account opens for 1s and then disappears again, then opens again and disappears again....again and again.

Is there already a solution for this?

Regards
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
The early versions of FireOS 8 had many difficulties with Google Services and many apps crashed. It appears that is the issue you're facing. I do have, in my signature, a copy of the OTA update from Amazon for updating to v8.3.1.3. I copied both the Fire 7 and Fire HD8 firmwares when they were released as they only make the most recent update available on the website. If you were to allow an OTA update now, it would update you to v8.3.1.9 and the last "good" update was v8.3.1.5.

Download v8.3.1.3 from my collection here. (Be sure to grab the HD8 f/w, it's the last file.) Then follow the instructions from Amazon Help here to install it. That should cure most of the problems Google Services is having. :)

Edit: If it fails, you might have to turn off your wifi and then re-enable OTA Updates for it to work. If so, don't turn on wifi until you disable OTA Updates once again.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] gdroid666:
That is so weird though, I thought 8.3.1.5 was the "magic FW"

why did they protect those apps on 8.3.1.5 and not fire launcher or the OTA stuff?

I also have some weird behavior to report with my fire max 11 on 8.3.1.5

I used FTB v32.2 to install the play store

I installed the google clock widget on nova launcher and I keep getting a notification from clock that says google play services are needed for clock to run and you don't have google play services

but the clock runs just fine

same goes for calculator says play service are needed but not installed and it also works

gmail and photos work and I don't get the notification about missing play services.

I did a hard shutdown of the tablet because I added a 128GB micro SD card and formatted it as internal storage and I was getting the storage not found ( I have this issue ona a few other fire tablets with it sayigng missing sotrage device whe it is inserted) problem and couldn't get it to do anything.

after it rebooted ( was not booting or turingin on for some werid reason I though it was broken I had to keep holding the buttin and nothing was hapeing and then it finally booted) from the hard shutdown nothing would work that uses Google play services, youtibe gmail and photos all forced closing.

Then I did a soft reboot and it all worked again.

I wonder if the people here reporting that heir Google play services stopped working after a couple weeks and were reinsallling and factory resetting could try this and see if helps them.

when google play stops working try just holding power and selecting reboot and not shut down and see if google play serives will work again, it only happened one time to me so I can't say if it is repeatable

and I am not sure why I get the notification about clock and caluclator needed google play services and them not being installed despite the apps seemign to work perfectly fine.

The only other thing I can thing of too is that after i formatted one SD as internal I moved files to SD and then it kept having iussues and I ended up having to use another SD card , so I am not sure what files it moved to the d card but the card was formatted and then i changed to another card because I couldn;tget he tablet to do anyhting at all or exit out of the sd not found screen.

maybe some important files got moved there and now they are gone?

but the tablet seems to be working ok now though

after the hard reboot
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] jessejgm:
Is there no alternative way?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Stepsie:
Thought I would update you on my ‘Google Free’ Fire Max 11, so far all is going well.

I took your advice and looked at F-droid, but that seemed very limited with regards to the apps that I use. Uptodown App Store on the other hand has been great. I got everything I wanted except 4 apps. Any apps that it showed were downloaded from Amazon I have set to not autoupdate as it seems to pull in all apps, not just ones installed by it.

The other four apps I got from APKPure and I have set that up the same as Uptodown.

It seems that people are having more success with FTB and the Fire Max 11 now, but I will keep an eye on this post to see if people start getting the issue that I was having after a period of time. I would like to go back to FTB to get the Google ‘nice to have apps’ and so I don’t have to monitor 3 app stores, but I am kind of enjoying the tinkering.

As an additional note, I never had any issues with Google Play store itself, I could always access it and download any app, but rather just random app’s crashing (Edge, Outlook, Opera, Shop Amazon to name a few) after about a week of installation.

Thanks again for your help and suggestions
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] jessejgm:
Good morning. What I find strange is that I can remove the device dashboard icon. If the navigation bar were blocked I would not be able to do this.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] DCWuk:
Hi awesome people,:)

The Disney+ app isn't currently working on my children's tab - it says that it needs an update upon opening the app, but clicking the update button then just closes the app...

How would I update the hybrid Disney+ app from 2.16.0-rc3 (installed via the toolbox) to the latest 2.22.1-rc1? (This is the latest version according to Google Play rather than the Amazon AppStore - I'm not sure how to check the latter)

Many thanks for all your hard work to make the Fire tab so brilliant(y)

(and I did try to search this thread before posting this question!)

EDIT: Okay, so I had a play with the APK route - all searched and sideloaded through the toolbox, and now fully working. Amazing tool!(y)(y)(y)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
We don't know, but they did it anyway.

I've noticed things like that too. I think it's reporting that it needs GS for some functions, but the main function works. I'm pretty sure that some of the packages that GS expects have been removed in FireOS and replaced with Amazon apps that provide similar functions although not exactly to Google specs. Amazon/Google feud related.

SD cards are somewhat hit or miss on Fire tablets. I've had similar non-responsive cards and also good cards. What works for me is Samsung EVO cards. I've also had pretty good luck with Sandisk Ultra cards, but the Samsung cards have always worked. You are also gambling when you format as internal storage because they don't always fail immediately and if they fail later on, you'll lose a lot of your data if it isn't backed up elsewhere. (I have a 512GB card half-filled with music and movies and needed to reformat the card once. Ugggh.) It's worth the extra money to get the better card.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Datastream33:
Greetings!

Fair enough, I can see why this may cause some confusion. The Device Dashboard icon is luckily governed by a completely different settings database key (can't remember it's name off the top of my head) then the navigation bar and overscan ones. We used to modify the navigation bar's layout directly to get rid of the icon... but it caused more issues then it solved. As far as I'm aware, root is required to hide the navigation bar on FireOS 8 (Android 11). :(
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] LordUnderling:
I've attached that comma-separated variables text file that I've mentioned previously.

This shows all of the system apps and such that Amazon installs on a 12th-gen Fire HD 8 with FireOS 8.3.1.8. I deleted all references to user or Google apps.

It can be imported into a spreadsheet or opened as a plain text file. I use Libre Office.

Can anyone tell me what's supposed to be wrong with having installed 8.3.1.8 instead of staying with 8.3.1.5 which is now said to be "the last good version of FireOS 8"?

I've been keeping at least one FireOS version behind whatever is current until I thought it was safe to upgrade. I thought 8.3.1.8 was safe but am now reading otherwise.

I'm able to do what I want with my Fire HD 8. What's supposed to be broken?

(Oh, and I do have Nova 7 launcher installed. It wasn't indicated as being a system app so I left this out. FTB installed an earlier version and I upgraded to the most recent through Aurora Store.)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
From what I'm told, in FireOS v8.3.1.8, the Fire Launcher becomes a system protected app and can no longer be disabled. That means if you want to keep Nova Launcher, you'll have to run that in addition to the Fire Launcher and if you want your home button to work, you'll have to use the Custom Navbar Key method of launcher replacement. I'm sure you'll notice the memory lag as Android tries to accommodate the extra launcher. Also, the OTA Update app becomes system protected too and can no longer be disabled so you'll need to run some sort of blocker to block OTA updates from getting through to your tablet. Enough reason in my mind to not update, but it's your tablet.;)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Locky_:
Is there any possibility of allowing the Linux code to be installed on ARM architecture? Would like to stick it on my rpi Ubuntu machine
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
Hi, and welcome to XDA!

Good question! Considering that the Linux port is still in beta, it's not likely to happen right away. Maybe after some more bugs are discovered and worked out, @Datastream33 might be inclined to further expand the Toolbox universe. Until then, you'll just have to use one of the existing Toolbox ports. I think someone asked about Mac support a few pages ago. I think that's far more likely to happen before ARM support happens, but I could be wrong. 🤷
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] mirakulixs:
Hallo.......is this version for the Fire hd 8 plus 2022 12th Generation?!?

And is there differences on the Operating system between fire hd8 (12th gen) and fire hd8 plus (12th gen)?

regards
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
Yes, your model is covered!

I can't say for sure about the Fire HD8 (2022) and the Fire HD8+ (2022), but I had a Fire HD8 (2020) f/w v7.3.2.5 that got wet and no longer functions. I replaced it with a Fire HD8+ (2020) f/w v7.3.2.7. Although the same year and similar f/w version, they do not behave the same. I've had more difficulties with the + version than I ever had with the regular version. I can only assume the same would be true for the 2022 tablets.

Part of the reason that some people have a lot more trouble than others with Toolbox is that Datastream is trying to keep compatibility with so many different models and firmware versions. I'm sure he doesn't have a closet filled to the brim with Fire tablets, so the best he can do is make adjustments when someone reports a specific model or firmware version not working as expected.

You will want to update your firmware as I described in my previous response in order for Google Services to work. You want f/w v8.3.1.3 to v8.3.1.5. Those are the ones that fixed most of the problems with Google Services before locking out launcher replacement and OTA updates disabling. I have 8.3.1.3 directly from Amazon's website. If you want 4 or 5 you'll need to source it on your own. You can always upgrade firmware, but you cant downgrade.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Bisonator:
Hello again

I'm running an Amazon Fire Max 11, software version: 8.3.1.5, successfully tweaked with Toolbox V32.2 (Auto updates and OTA disabled, etc)

I've been tinkering since my last posts and almost everything is going really well.

I successfully registered my device with my Amazon Account by logging into the "Shop Amazon" app. The latter took a bit of searching through this thread to discover as the correct method because I kept trying to register using the Amazon Appstore App to no avail.

Something that's been puzzling me though is how when I open Amazon Appstore, in my Library, there are no apps listed under the "Apps" tab, even though I am running various Amazon apps that came preinstalled on the device, such as: Audible, Kindle, Shop Amazon and Amazon Appstore.

I may have just discovered why this is... (this is all new to me!)

When I log into the Amazon website on my desktop pc and go to the Apps & Games store,

EDIT: START: crossed out this text

my Fire Max 11 is listed under the section "Compatibility with your devices" section with a red cross icon, suggesting it it NOT compatible with my device. When I then click on "Get now with 1-Click", a popup then tells me:

"Non-compatible device

If you continue with this purchase, you may be purchasing an app that doesn't work with your device.

CANCEL or CONTINUE"

EDIT: and replaced it with this text:

I was accidentally going to the "Appstore for Android" on the Amazon website on my desktop. As I mentioned above, this is all new to me, so apologies!

I have now gone to the "Fire Tablet Apps" instead (presumably I'm in the right ballpark now?), but I cannot find the Kindle app at all! When I search for "Kindle", I get loads of results of third party apps instead of the official Amazon app. What gives?

EDIT: END

I was expecting the Appstore to just keep updating my Amazon apps when new app versions were released, so I guess my questions are:

1) Is it normal that my enabled (system) Amazon Apps don't appear in my list of Apps in my Library on my device in the Appstore? i.e. is this other people's experience?

2) Will I receive any future updates for these apps through the Amazon Appstore or will I just have to stick with current versions that are appropriate for software version: 8.3.1.5 - if that's how this is working?

3) Have I just gone about this the wrong way and should I disable these (system) Amazon Apps using the Toolbox and reinstall them from the Appstore to get all this to work properly?

Any help would be much appreciated, as I've nearly got this all working perfectly! ;)

Cheers

B
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] 7.3 PowerStroke:
Hello all,

I'm a longtime user of FTB and recently purchased a Fire 11 (ver. 8.3.1.5) and updated to the V32.2 version of FTB. After a few attempts and factory resets, I have most of the apps that I have on my Fire HD 10+ working on the new tablet. I get periodic error messages about Google Play Services being needed, but it appears that it is on the tablet. But I have note been able to get Microsoft Solitaire to work, either by installing via the Play store, or by sideloading. It installs properly, but will not run and doesn't give an error. Any thoughts on what else I may try or the play services issue?

thank you
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
Yeah, it's normal. Amazon doesn't expect it's app updating process to be interfered with like Toolbox does, so when you disable some of the system update apps you'll have to manually do any updating.

I believe the way that Kindle and Prime, and several other apps update is through the now-disabled Automatic Updates app. They update the same way that OTA apps update. If you want newer versions than what you currently have the safest way to get them manually is to go to braveheartleo's post of updated apps and sideload any apps you need. This isn't normally needed until the app you're using stops working. The last time any Amazon apps really needed updating was when they introduced FireOS v7.3.2.2. The updated apps were included in the OTA update and the older versions were blocked in order to force you to update your tablet and lose the ability to block ads and change your launcher. Fortunately, the apps could be pulled from a newer tablet and installed on the older firmware thus bypassing their scheme to force an update.

No. Your best bet for updating the apps is outlined above. Amazon installed/included apps usually can't be replaced with appstore apps and still work. For other apps, the Amazon Appstore apps are usually the preferred apps because they're coded specifically for the Fire ecosystem. Only after both those sources don't supply what you need do you need to go to Google or another appstore.

You should always disable automatic updating in the Google Play store because it will always try to update Amazon supplied apps or Amazon appstore apps which will break them. Rmember you don't need to update or "fix it" if it ain't broke. ;)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
Hi, and welcome to XDA!

I've never tried to install Micro$oft Solitaire on my tablet, but I suspect that it tries to access some Google/Android API that has been removed in FireOS and replaced with an Amazon API that behaves differently. The result is an app crash that nothing can be done about. You'll either have to do without the app or find a similar app in the Play Store that provides similar functionality. Fire tablets aren't 'Google Certified' because of the modifications to Android made in FireOS. It's just a fact of life in the modified Fire tablet world. 🤷
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] social.catastrophe:
I have a 2020 hd8 on v7.3.2.7(onyx) and Microsoft solitaire works fine for me after running toolbox and installing from play store. Maybe rerun toolbox? I had to run it a couple times to get it working right for some other stuff, myself. Or maybe it's something with newer Amazon tablets?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] 7.3 PowerStroke:
I too didn't have any issue in running it on any of the older Fire tablets, just the 11. I think blaacksheep had a very good explanation, but I hope that isn't the case.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Bisonator:
Thanks blaacksheep, for your very informative answer. As you say, if it ain't broke, I won't try to fix it! (y)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] gdroid666:
Hey I need to report a major issue

I have a max 11 used FTB v32.2 to add play services

everyhting was working pretty well for few days but now 90% of my apps all force close instantly or misbehave and I canlt log into them'

sometimes thesee same apps just work but mostly they just force close but not really, I mean it appears they have force closed but if I go to the app switcher/recent apps they are still showing there so I assume the are still running

trying to switch to them fromt here just causes the same exact behavior

there doenslt seem to be any rhyme or reason to this behavior, sometimes th eaps will run normally other times they won't stay opened

I tried disabing google pllay protect and it made no difference

could it be nova launcher? anyone else havin this isse that has founf a solution?

I am so pissed off right now this tablet runs phenominally wella d I love it when it works but now it will not run most of my apps and therse seem sot be no reason for it.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Datastream33:
Yeah, FireOS 8 is very hit or miss when it comes to Play Services from what I've gathered. Let's see if we can figure out what's causing the crashes. Try opening an adb shell and execute the following commands:

cmd

The above command will drop us to a cmd instance, were we can properly execute the next command.

adb logcat -b crash > C:\users\%USERNAME%\Desktop\log.txt

After executing the above commands, start opening the apps that have been crashing. This should show the stack trace... which may give us some indication about what's going on. Once you've opened all the apps, press ctrl+c on the CMD window to stop logcat. You'll now have a new text file on your desktop named log.txt. If you'd be kind enough to attach it to a post, we can take a look at it and see if we can determine what's going on. Thanks!