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[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] flyingbunnys:
If I had known about update 7.3.2.2, I would have never bought the Amazon Fire tablet. I am hoping that eventually a way it found to change the launcher.

I have left 1 star reviews on multiple retailer sites now, including Amazon who have me a phone call asking if I needed assistance and now they could help. I told them to have their developers to undo the last update change so the launcher can be change. That ended the conversation.

I wonder if enough people complained would they change if back?

Without being being able to change the launcher I feel like I just paid Amazon to be forced to view their advertising (even if you pay to get rid of the sponcered ads).
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Tavesta:
I have 2 Tablets the first one has the version 7.3.2.2.

It works for me, but the Ads cant be removed by the toolbox anymore.

If you dont use alternative launchers and have no problem with ads (or to talk to the amazon support and ask to disable the ads) you could consider to update.

Personally i feel more safe if i use the last OS Version to reduce securtiy risks.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] jcp2:
Simple answer is No. There is no benefit to 7.3.2.2. It will only cause you grief.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] knembo:
I am on 7.3.2.2. For the adds i have disabled default lockscreen and replaced with Gesture Lock Screen a app found on playstore. I don't use anymore the default virtual keys and use a app called Full Gestures Screen. A central bottom swipe is linked to Nova Launcher.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] jluesse:
Any update on 7.3.2.2? The device I got came with it. Do you think there will be a way to get around it by Christmas?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] gpz1100:
^^Short anwer? No.

To undo these security measures one needs more than package manager allows. Root would fix many things.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] myechophone:
Out of curiosity, has the latest kindlefire hd 10 ever been rooted?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] gpz1100:
^^Negative. Many problems would be solved if it was rooted.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] myechophone:
I understand... sigh. One day...
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] toybits:
I have tried this and works really well for me until a solution can be found. Just to add to this, using command adb shell wm overscan 0,0,0,-72 hides the navigation bar. So you are using all swipe gesture like android 10 and 11. I did not use the gesture lock screen and used the old trick automate from old fire toolbox to remove lock screen ads and it works. Thank you for this again.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Yesmulator:
Well that's a great idea. This gets me 90% of the way there even with the latest update. Good enough for me.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Tactilis:
Hi @knembo

There are multiple apps in the Play Store called Gesture Lock Screen. Which one did you use please?

Also, your "Full Gestures Screen", is I think Full Screen Gestures - but again, there are multiple apps with this name. Which one did you use?

Thanks
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] knembo:
Yes this is the app. For the lockscreen i use gesture lockscreen by Q Locker but i think every third party lockscreen on play store might be ok.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] toybits:
@knembo:

Were you able to completely disable to amazon navbar? If yes, can you tell us how? I tried using the adb shell wm 0,0,0,-72 but only disables the one on the bottom on potrait mode and not landscape mode. I tried using adb shell wm -72,-72,-72,-72 it disable on all but I lose the status bar too. The best that I can do is hide the task bar on fire toolbox to keep the status bar. If I try disable it does not work. I am looking to replace the navbar that has like the gesture function too, do you have any idea? Thanks in advance.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
Have you tried using the Toolbox? On page 2 of menu > Modify System Settings > System UI tab > Navigation Bar (4th item down).
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] toybits:
Yes I tried that and It does not work when I click disable navbar. It works when i do hiding. Did hiding worked for you to hide it completely during potrait and landscape mode?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
It was only a suggestion. I haven't tried using it because I've got 7.3.1.2 so I don't have the problems with the new F/W.

.............

Okay, I just tried it on my HD 10 (2019) with F/W v7.3.1.2.

'Hide' appears to work in landscape and portrait.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] toybits:
Thank you. Hiding works for me too for both potrait and landscape, but if It only hides it temporarily. But the option disable does not disable or completely take of the navbar. Could you try it on your tab if doing the disable option will make the navbar disappear for both potrait and landscape? Thanks for trying and confirming.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] M24:
Disabeling does not work for me too.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
Sorry I took so long. I was eating dinner. Anyway, I tried disabling the Navbar and, like your results, it works in portrait mode but not in landscape. :(
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] toybits:
Thanks for confirming. I will keep trying to see what works best and update.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] 789mod:
hi in fire 7.3.2.2 when i try to disable fire luncher

i cant it still work :(

why how i disable it forever
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] toybits:
Do you now any good third party navigation bar that allows remapping? I tried navbar premium, "home" button remapping required a long press rather than short press. Thanks
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] lewmur:
I would think that remapping the home button is just not an option. I can't even imagine why anyone would want to. Being able to return immediately to the Home screen, from anywhere, seems to me to be an essential option.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
When your home screen is the default Amazon "Buy Me" screen, it's easy to understand why you would want to remap the home screen button to that of your own making, i.e. a replacement launcher home screen.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] lewmur:
To me, one of the main purposes of the Toolbox is to eliminate the "Buy Me" from the home screen. Mine doesn't have a single bit of Amazon stuff on it. So, in that sense, the Toolbox has already "remapped" the home button.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] bobC927:
I'm using Toolbox 25.2 on a Fire Tablet 10, 9th gen. The instructions read "On your tablet, you should see a new prompt asking if you want to Allow USB Debugging and should show the computer’s RSA key fingerprint. Tick the box that says “Always allow from the computer” and hit ok."

I never get the RSA key fingerprint and TB says my device is not authorized. I've repeated the process many times, but no luck.

I do have USB debugging enabled.

Please help
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] lewmur:
I warned sometime back that that sort of thing was going to happen. Amazon is going to do their best to keep people from disabling their ads. But if they have made it so the launcher can't be disabled, wouldn't they make it so that the home button can't be remapped?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
It appears to be a cat & mouse game. They lock stuff, we 'pick' their locks, they put on better locks, we use better 'picks', etc., etc.

Since they locked the front door and now the back door, we might need a second story man to break in through the bedroom window.:sneaky:
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] lewmur:
Yeah, but eventually they're going to build a lock we can't pick. It seems they've already done that with the bootloader. With a rooted device, they'd have a very hard time doing it. But without root, they control the system partition and that makes "picking their lock" MUCH more difficult.

As it stands now, buying a refurbished Fire HD (not from Amazon) and turning off OTA before connecting, might be the only way to beat the locks.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
I'm still not convinced they are on 7.3.2.2 from the factory. It's possible that they are just updating to the new firmware as soon as they are turned on. Most people don't remember that check box when ordering that associates (registers) the tablet with their account. That means the tablet will have their wifi password because most people keep the default account options and let Amazon save their passwords.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
...

(oops, wrong button!)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] lewmur:
Even if they have your password, the tablet would still have to connect to your network before it could update. If you don't even turn on the wifi before using the Toolbox to turn off updates, then the tablet would have to have 7.3.2.2 already installed to cause the problem.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
Ahh, but most people don't know how to turn off WiFi before setup is complete.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] lewmur:
I will admit that someone who isn't familiar with how to setup a Fire HD and use the Toolbox prior to buying one, is going to get updated as soon as they connect their wifi. But that is because they put in their password and connected. NOT because Amazon automatically did it. Amazon's servers might know the SSID and password, but the tablet doesn't. In order for the servers to pass that info to the tablet, the tablet would have to already be connected. Vicious circle anyone?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
Yeah, I understand. It took me several minutes of fooling around with my first Fire tablet to find that 'skip' option. I was dead set against getting any updates and would not give it my password to connect. (I still have 7.3.1.2 that came with mine last year.) I wanted every possibility to get root and knew that updates remove options.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] lewmur:
I didn't know any better the first time I bought a Fire HD 9th gen either, but luckily that was a few updates back and I was still able to get everything done via the Toolbox. But I certainly knew better prior to buying my 11th gen. LOL
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
I think about writing a tutorial for new Fire owners. How to get through setup without connecting to wifi, which Amazon apps are necessary for certain things to work, essential tools to run in Toolbox before connecting, why to not just fire off the biggest 'debloat' script they can find and then wonder why things don't work right... Those kind of things.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] middle_road:
I ordered an 8 back during Black Friday, finally got around to unboxing it. I choose the AD free model.

What a fantastic utility! Easiest bit of modding I've ever done. A whole lot easier than what I had to go through with my Gen7 back when.

Out of the box, following instructions (for once) getprop returned:

[ro.build.id]: [PS7317]

[ro.build.lab126.build]: [1810]

[ro.build.lab126.buildtype]: [Nightly]

[ro.build.lab126.project]: [onyx_fireos_ship_7317]

[ro.build.mktg.fireos]: [Fire OS 7.3.1.7]

So far so good. Hopefully I have OTA updates turned off properly.

I had several 'INSTALLATION FAILURE:' messages during my first attempt, but I believe it was due to operator error.

I re-launched Toolbox and re-tried and it seems to have taken just fine.

Is it OK to go ahead and register the device and login to my Amazon account at this point?

I've read through a number of pages but I am uncertain.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] middle_road:
👍 Tutorials are always handy to have. The more the better.

When I received all the Installation Failures on mine I was wondering what the heck I did incorrectly.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
Just make sure OTA updates are disabled. On your tablet in Settings > Device Options > System Updates, click 'Check Now'. If your updates are disabled, it will show either failed or else it will kick you back out of that screen. Anything else and I would run toolbox again and check that you have OTA Updates and Automatic Updates both disabled. Once that is accomplished it's safe to register your tablet with Amazon so that their services will work.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] middle_road:
Thanks!

Can't verify on the tablet itself. Went into >>Settings >>Device Options >>System Updates

and as soon as I select 'System Updates' it takes me back to the main 'Settings' screen.

Brought up Toolbox and it is showing 'Automatic Updates' & 'OTA Updates' as 'Disabled'.

Here goes anything. . .
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] bobC927:
Did that. Still no success.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] middle_road:
Which cable are you using? Might want to try a different one.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] bobC927:
USB-C. I have used three different cables and have switched to various USB ports on two different computers.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
Some things to try:

Try switching off USB debugging and then switching it on again on the tablet

Make sure your tablet screen is on before you plug it into the computer

Make sure your computer has the right ADB driver installed - there should be no exclamation points in your Device Manager
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] middle_road:
Which Windows OS version are you using?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] goatbor:
Before I decided to pick up a Fire10, I wanted to make sure it was able to be de-crapified. I was delighted to find this thread and diligently followed the instructions when it came to unticking the box when ordering on amazon and skipping the setup process.

Imagine my heartbreak when I launch the toolbox and it tells me I'm running 7.3.2.2 :(

I ordered the Fire10 on black friday and it arrived in Canada a couple of days ago.

I mean, I hope they're not 7.3.2.2 from factory now and that maybe mine was pulled for a QC check and it got updated that way, but who really knows?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
Sorry to hear that. If you can still return it, get another one in a less popular color (I assume you ordered black). The other colors are more likely to be older stock with earlier firmware installed.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] goatbor:
I think Canadian stock is sourced different from US stock, amazon.ca gives you a choice of 32 or 64gb, black or denim and that's it. amazon.com gives way more color selection and even ad free models, but those models won't ship here.

I would ship it back, but then I'd lose the black friday price. Considering that it's a 2-3 week ship time for the .ca variants, I'd venture to say they're 7.3.2.2 as well.

Besides, there are some alternate solutions presented earlier in this thread to deal with the lock screen. And while I can't turn off OTA updates I'm guessing I can either delete the downloaded update files before it has a chance to apply them on a restart, or find a way to block access to the update servers via some sort of ip/dns blocking at a router level. (Or maybe I'm just being too optimistic? :P)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Ipse_Tase:
Same experience here... I'm also in Kanukistan - diligently unchecked the box to link to the account, but no dice. When I booted the first time it farted around between logging into the account and setting up wifi (which was working BTW) and it took a while until I was able to break that loop. By the time I got to the settings, I saw the dreaded 7.3.2.2.

I would say though that the only hindrance now is Nova unable to be set up as default launcher, otherwise debloat and Google Playstore (mostly) worked.

Time will tell if they are able to push another dumb OTA update without asking for permission to install.

BTW. I left a 1 star review based on the forced limitations they subjected the customer paid devices to and the abuse of control. Someone called immediately but what's the point talking to a CSR who has no power.

PS. I'd be interested in using a DNS blocklist.. I used to have something similar way back when I bought (and routed) my first FireTV. Please share if you find what domain/server /IP range we're talking about.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] myechophone:
Hi all,

Any recommendations for a case/ case w keyboard for the kindle fire 10hd 2021? In USA I'd that helps!
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] flyingbunnys:
I'm in the same boat, mine was a black Friday purchase and was already 7.3.2.2.

I left a bad review also and got a call. They asked how they can help and I said reverse the restrictions implemented in 7.3.2.2 and they replied affluent let us know if there is anything else goodbye.

Now I don't see my review showing up anymore.

I got to figure something out though since my home screen has a high banner telling me to register that I can't remove.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] bobC927:
Windows 10 with all current updates.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] BananaRex:
Hi, I just got my Fire HD 10 today in Canada. When I ordered I did not realize that it was best to uncheck the automatic account linking. However, I turned my wifi off completely before turning on the tablet when it arrived, and was able to successfully skip through the setup. I ran Fire Toolbox, no warning about 7.3.2.2. Started running through the recommended tools, including disabling updates. Weirdly it was showing that it was a Fire HD 8 (2019 ver I think).

I got up to the play services without issue, and the progress bar just didn't move at all. I figured maybe it was trying to download it on the tablet itself, so I turned wifi back on and connected since I had already disabled updates. No good. I left it for a good 20 minutes until I decided to click the x to quit/cancel. Ran it again just now, and it's now showing the correct tablet version, and unfortunately warned me that I have 7.3.2.2. So the update disabling didn't take and it just updated anyway.

So I can't install google services and that's fine honestly, I'm cool with just using the fire store versions of stuff for now because it's just going to be a media device for the most part. But the problem is that I can't register the tablet. Clicking the register device button does nothing, nor the prompt to do it when you open the amazon app store. So basically, I can't do anything. Presumably this is something to do with what I did with Fire Toolbox, but I'm not sure what. I restored the Amazon apps and restarted the tablet, no dice. Is this a known issue and is there something simple I can do? Or should I try a factory reset or something? Thanks!

Edit: I just did the factory reset since I hadn't done much of anything yet anyway. Took like two minutes. I'll leave this post in case someone has a similar question.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] obvious:
Has anyone discovered which packages Alexa depends on?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] middle_road:
Grasping at straws now...

I wonder if the chipset drivers and /or the USB3 drivers for the USB ports are incorrect or not quite right.

I have had several Intel based laptops and towers pass over my bench recently where the USB ports were not functioning properly.

Mostly it was wireless mice, keybd, phones, printers, that when plugged into the USB3 hi-speed ports, were not recognized.

Intel Series 7 and Series 8 and Intel(R) USB 3.0 eXtensible Host Controller.

The drivers that were installed on 20H2 and 21H1 were generic Microsoft drivers.

Installation of manufacturer's device specific drivers solved the issue.

Depends on how old your computer is.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Here's Jonny:
Hi,

I've used the fire toolbox to remove some bloatware by following the setup guide and setup a Fire HD 10 Plus.

When I open the camera app and try to take a photo I get an error about this being blocked by Parental Controls.

If I click the link it gives I'm returned to the desktop.

I've used the toolbox to run Parental Control Hide, installed this and followed the steps on the tablet. Yet I still get the message and can't take a photo. How do I resolve this and stop it being an issue for other apps ?

Thanks
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] flyingbunnys:
Did you remove the Amazon Photos app? I had the same issue when I removed Amazon Photos, you should be able to add it back to fix the issue.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] cf77:
To wakeup FireOS team is to buy and return massively.

Money is very important for Corporate people.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] cf77:
To wakeup FireOS team, buy and return massively. Might indicate they block is successful but also highlight their loss in handling returning products.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] myechophone:
This is a little off topic - But maybe someone can help.

I bought a KindleFire 10 from USA. I sent it as a gift to my friend in India. Will they be able to use the same (with prime benefits et all) there with their local Amazon accounts?

Thanks!
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] flyingbunnys:
And bad reviews, a drop in their rating for the product drives away future customers.

Especially if the bad reviews explain the issue well.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Here's Jonny:
Cheers I'll try this.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] cf77:
Adding to bad review that user cannot use their favorite launchers.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] bobC927:
Thanks for your time/reply, but my computer is quite old. It's a Dell Optiplex 760, probably 7 or 8 years old. It can't pass the requirements for Win-11.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Ipse_Tase:
I spent some time articulating many of the points we've all made here, got the magical call from "Customer Outreach" (I didn't pick up) and the friendly email following.

I -again - replied with even more points, asking nicely that feedback is communicated through proper channels to Fire PLM (Product Line Manager) team and was quickly assured that "customer feedback matters to us". Shocker :sneaky:

Not that I had any hopes, but there are just 5% 1-star reviews, I don't think Bezos will sell his phallic rocket to address the complaints.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] cf77:
I used a 15 yrs Old computer with Win7 to install and ran ToolBox.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Here's Jonny:
Hi, am I going to get similar issues with any other apps ? Thanks
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] bobC927:
Guess you're luckier than me. I used Win-10 & Win-7 and neither will activate the RSA Key.

BTW: If anyone knows: Where does the key get generated? Can I troubleshoot anything to see why it is not being sent to the tablet? Is it the router, as that is the only thing common to both computers?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] bobC927:
BTW: If anyone knows: Where does the RSA key get generated? Can I troubleshoot anything to see why it is not being sent to the tablet? Is it the router, as that is the only thing common to both computers?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] middle_road:
I haven't seen any other colors available here in the states.

A buddy called yesterday and wanted my opinion on a new 10" tablet.

I'm only see the HD 10+ in Slate.

So now I'm trying to figure out if it's even possible to score an HD10+ with an earlier version than 7.3.2.2.