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[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] seanmachine:
if it were just them being restrictive I'd be totally fine with it. I was originally planning on keeping it stock, because I've had bad experiences rooting before. but my issue was that it was ****ty right out of the box. the "continue" widget never updated - it was perpetually just "continue with silk," no matter what I opened or ran. when I swiped to the library page the only things that would show up on the book carrousel widget were newspapers from 2017 - which I couldn't hide or remove. so I'd have to open the kindle app and manually find what I wanted to read - each time. that, and the sheer amount of "suggestions" was just overwhelming. NO I DO NOT WANT TO PLAY CANDY CRUSH GODDAMNIT I HAVEN'T WANTED TO PLAY IT FOR THE PAST 20 YEARS WHY WOULD I WANT TO NOW.

what makes this all so frustrating is that I would've been totally happy staying in the Amazon ecosystem... if it worked. I can live without GApps. in trying to retain their customer base they've ended up driving them away. if my only experience was with my old HD8 I'd be more than happy to recommend one to my mom. now? not so much. the great irony is that they sold the tablet at a loss to deliver ads and ensure future purchases, and through their own incompetence have failed to do either - an unforced error.

BUT, the silver lining is that now we're here and have a great piece of software that can let us do what we want with what we own, and have fun doing it! I've genuinely learned a lot about android (starting with what the hell ADB actually stands for) and now have a new set of skills under my belt.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
Speaking of Fire OS 8 , you can manually install/reinstall current f/w 8.3.1.1 with out going OTA. Not sure if this is OG or an update. Check your device to see what's installed.

With your experience, you should be able to download and install directly from the following:

Fire Tablet Software Updates - Amazon Customer Service
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] kbs24:
So far this is working wonderfully, with one exception, I get constant warnings that Google Play Services is not installed, that various google apps won't work etc,.but Play Services is installed, and all of the apps are working. How can I stop the very annoying warning notifications? Thanks. (Fire 7 2022) correction: some google apps work, others don't.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] johnmcmillan:
I believe this is because of unavailable support, but Disney+ has support for several devices. So Amazon is also supported by Disney+ but may be you need to restart the device. BestVPNsGuide
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Eiion:
Restarting the device is no fix. I've just accepted it as is worth it popping up overs other time I open up Disney+
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] stripealipe:
Thanks. Just another heads up, initially i actually got Toolbox to get rid of bloatware etc, add Nova launcher and stuff. After working at first but then failing (after a few days) i tried clearing caches for Play Books, Play Store, tried a different launcher etc to no avail. Ended up resetting the device and only installing the Google Apps and framework and keeping the Amazon launcher.

Everything seems to be working ok for now! Not sure if somehow and update got installed and messed things up in the before (updates were disabled) but anyways, all good for now.

Thanks again for the cool bit code...
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
Thank @Datastream33 for alll FTB "goodness" ... he's the code wizard ... all the rest of us are just helper elves.

Given the the problems with FireOS 8/GPS on the new Fire 7 tabs, I think the "minimalist" approach you've taken is prudent, in the end. If your GPS setup is stable and you can "tolerate" Amazon Launcher, all's good ... for now.

Glad you had the "dev" mindset to document and troubleshoot your way out of "trouble". Good roadmap for other users.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] HunterZ0:
I'm also experiencing this in V28.9 on a 2019 HD10, when trying to install Google Assistant.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] seanmachine:
so I decided to back into my aforementioned problems, step by step. first I disabled the screen lock and everything was fine. then I disabled a few Amazon apps, and everything was fine. then I installed google services/GPS, and everything - shockingly - was still working. I disabled a handful more Amazon apps and everything went to ****. so I restored from a backup and started again. wash, rinse, repeat. I still haven't figured out which Amazon apps break the functionality, but now it's just a matter of trial and error.

two things: everything is much faster (which stands to reason) but also much more stable without installing a launcher on top of fire, even after installing google services. apps that depend on GS, such as Brave, function just fine. everything Amazon opens and loads just like they should, even if they're ****ty.

conversely, GApps that need any kind of web connection seem to consistently crash. even when google news will open, it won't load anything. google calendar won't sync. youtube opens for all of four seconds. google gallery opens just fine, but it also works offline. messages seems to kinda work, but constantly disconnects. maybe they're all casualties of the Amazon/Google food fight?

so, I dunno. obviously a pattern is emerging, leaning towards as stock as possible. but, as hideous as it is, I think it might just work for me. after all, that's what my mom said when I was born and it seems to have worked out well for me.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
To confirm, is Gmail "broken" too? Moms are ALWAYS right!
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
Glitch in your FTB installation.

As a quick workaround, try manually sideloading Google Assistant to get it up and running and troubleshooting FTB later.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Datastream33:
Thank you (and any others who've mentioned this issue) for the report my friend. Looking into the issue and will report back. :D
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] hudsonbra:
IMHO, I think it's the software update that is restoring the amazon apps

I had this problem often and it just stopped when the tool really did broke my update ( I can't even access it this on the android settings now)

After that I haven't experienced this problem

(Sorry for my poor English)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] DB126:
Why remove vs rename? The latter simplifies restoration if/when desired but only when commanded. If the app in question resides in the system (vs data) partition there is no immediate benefit to removing it as the space is not user accessible.

Or, give the user an option to delete or rename to cover all interests.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Datastream33:
Oh yes, renaming hasn't crossed my mind. I would suppose you are correct in this aspect. Renaming would be perfect for this occasion because as you stated can be restored if needed. You know dude, you are freaking intellectual! :cool:
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Datastream33:
I just wanted to let you all know that I'm testing the Toolbox's Updater at the moment. If you check for updates the Toolbox will check for updates and find V5.0. Please note that this is not the official update (it is actually V4.5). Just thought I should let you all know in case you came across this. QUICK NOTE: V5.0 will be ready to launch in the next few days! :D
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Datastream33:
Hey... did anyone else notice this togglable switch in the Developer Options on 2018 models? :laugh:
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Sc4r3Crow:
Toolbox 4.5 can't be started, command prompt flashes up for half a second and closes again...
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] nikothebarber:
Can someone 0lease upload the fire launcher all from 2017 hd10 deleted mine and no access to a pc. Much appreciated I'm tired of the parental control pop up even with the blocker
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] drizzt09:
If it's 2017 it was not deleted. It was hidden. You just need to unhide it. Which you need PC do do it through adb (either direct or via toolbox). I hear there is android APP in play store that can allow adb directly on the device but I have never tried
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] vlados773:
Hi, I used the remove everything amazon option on version 4.5 and now my Fire HD 8 (2017) is stuck in an endless boot cycle (won't turn off or on just displaying the fire logo). Can anyone help?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] drizzt09:
If you can get toolbox to recognize it. Do a restore everything Amazon. If worse case scenario... reset it (back to factory settings). With 2017 devices I recommend not removing fire launcher. Use launcher hijack instead which is an installable apk in toolbox.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] vlados773:
Unfortunately had to factory reset it. Thanks for the fast reply though. Will look into launcher hijacker now, cheers!
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] drizzt09:
If you use the remove all and then manual mode you can select the once you want to remove. Just leave fire launcher as is. 2018 models you can remove it as currently *knock on wood* 2018 models don have the same security restrictions as 2017 models
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Datastream33:
Like someone else mentioned the app was hidden and not uninstalled. Unfortunately, I believe a pc is required here. But, you can try this and see if this works without a pc.

Try downloading a Terminal Emulator app and running the following command to enable Fire Launcher:

pm unhide com.amazon.firelauncher

If this doesn't work you might need a PC to unhide fire launcher again. Good luck and I hope it works out! :good:
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] nikothebarber:
Was able to run it with ADB on my tablet thanks to

https://github.com/MasterDevX/Termux-ADB#termux-adb

Now gotta check that it's actually unhidden brb...

Bingo it worked
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Datastream33:
Alright, the update is one step closer. I'm excited about this update guys! It brings along a lot of improvements to the Toolbox! :D
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] nikothebarber:
Would not be possible to make a apk version of this to run on android?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Enqulal:
System Updates Failure

Datastream, thank you for your great application.

V4.5 Toolbox failed to run on my Windows 10 64 Bit Computer after successfully installing. It crashes.

After using your Toolbox v3.2, Automatic System Updates fail. I am using Fire HD 10 2017 7th Generation. The Tablet downloads the Updates fine but it fails to install them. What is the priblem?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] GuyInDogSuit:
First, don't format your posts in royal blue italic. It's hard to read.

Second, you modified system files on your tablet using an old version of this tool. It's a work in progress. It breaks things. Even the latest version can potentially break things.

Third, why would you want to update again after doing this? It would potentially just reverse all the changes you made.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Enqulal:
Ok got it!!

Good news is I downloaded the latest stock firmware from Amazon via OTA Update, sideloaded it and now I have the latest stock firmware but it didn't reverse anything that I changed and customized using the Fire Toolbox 3.2.

Amazon Fire Toolbox 4.5 still crashes but Amazon Fire Toolbox 4.3 works nice and good.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] drizzt09:
I would suggest wiping the device. This will reset it to factory.

Remove all toolbox variations. Stop your antivirus or malware protection. Install toolbox 4.5. Run toolbox. Tell av to ignore install path and enable.

I run toolbox 4.5 on Windows 10 64bit without issues.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
If you're having problems installing/running Google Play Services on your new Fire 7 (2022), join the crowd ... It's a fast growing population.

Significant instability of GPS and related apps on Fire OS 8.

No resolution yet. Stay tuned for developments.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
Hi @Datastream33 . Hope all is well in your world.

In our earlier dialogue, I feared that the clash of the Amazon/Google infrastructures would only escalate and "get worse".

Without being alarmist, is "worse" already here with Fire OS 8 ?!
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] HunterZ0:
How is it a glitch in my Fire Toolbox installation when it happens in both a fresh install and a fresh portable copy?!
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
Understand. It's a "bug" in FTB . @Datastream33 is working on it now.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] mpnuttall:
Hi there. Total noob and tech-phob here, sorry. I've got a (new) Fire HD8. I ran the debloat etc fine. Then tried to use the Toolbox's nav button option to make the launcher persist after reboot.

in short, I think I cocked it up - not quite sure what happened, but I didn't really understand Automate and I found and applied a flow in it for custom launcher before running the Toolbox Option. It didn't seem to have done anything so then I ran the Toolbox launcher/nav button option, and then I had no nav button at all - it just disappeared and I couldn't reinstate it.

So did a factory reset of the tablet. Now when I try and run a debloat it says its successful but nothing is removed from the tablet. Please, please help, I'm really stressed out that I might now be stuck with this awful stock tablet.

Thanks so much, M
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
Hi, and welcome to XDA!

The Custom Navbar Button can get messed up if not done correctly. It actually replaces the Home button on the navbar with a new button that is mapped differently so if Automate isn't running or doesn't have full permissions, it doesn't work and you have a dot that does nothing! Also, the Custom Navbar Button becomes invisible on light backgrounds like the Play Store. I suspect you ended up with that situation.

Myself, I don't use the premade "debloat" scripts because they're too general and remove stuff I want (like Prime Video). Instead I use (and recommend) the Manual option to remove the extra stuff you don't want.

In the latest firmware versions, many of the Amazon Apps have been made "protected" so they can no longer be removed. I think about 6 of them show up as not removed when I run the Amazon Apps subtool. There's nothing that can be done about that currently, so we just have to live with it.

If you have a fresh tablet, it's best to run Toolbox on it first, following the instructions exactly so that you get Automate installed properly. Just step your way through the menu items and remove what you don't want and leave what you do want, making adjustments as needed so that you can make it YOUR tablet instead of Amazon's advertising device residing in your home. There are many helpful postings here that tell you how to do various things beyond what Toolbox alone can do. It's a learning experience. Just sit down and have a big read of the last 3-4 months of posts and experiment with your tablet. If it goes haywire, just factory reset and start over. Pretty soon you'll get to know what can and can't be done with Toolbox and ADB.

Good luck and enjoy learning about Android and FireOS. It's quite the ride. 👍
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Erenkasymaliev:
Hi friends,

I have a problem with connecting adapters (type-c to usb, hdmi, type-c etc.) to amazon fire tablet. Every time tablet fire showing warning message "charging port disabled, moisture detection"

Tried with different type of adapters and fire tablets. Almost all of them coming with this message

There is no moisture, water problem with adapters and fires. All are new and never used before.

Any options how to remove message or fix it?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
ref: @Datastream33 previous Amazon Lockscreen Ad Remover project:

Recently, user @flyngthundergod suggests possible to disable "Amazon Special Offers" (aka Lockscreen Ads) on FireOS 7.3.2.4 (current) using a modified ADB instruction set based on @Datastream33's original process, without using Automate flow script.

https://xdaforums.com/t/remove-amazon-lockscreen-ads-w-adb-automate-no-root-required.3784848/page-11 Post #218
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Datastream33:
Ah, revoking permissions... an interesting approach that could indeed work. However, I wonder if an OTA would revert these changes and require the process to be repeated?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Datastream33:
Hmmm, that's not good.

I would recommend letting the tablet's battery completely drain down to 0% and let it shut down. Then, leave it unplugged for 2 minutes or so. After the 2 minutes is up, try plugging in the tablet. It should boot up the OS, and if it pops up the same error message unplug the cable, tap "OK", plug the cable in, and then shut down the device again. Wait 20 min before powering it up again and see if that does the trick.

If the steps above didn't work (and a factory reset), I'd highly suggest sending it back to Amazon if it's still under warranty. Best of luck, my friend!
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Datastream33:
Yeah, it hasn't been easy as of late. It may get worse, but it is what it is. Google and Amazon just don't play well with each other I think. It's such a shame...
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Datastream33:
Sure thing boss! Ok, let's see...

mkdir kitchen /kitchen/sammich
cd kitchen/sammich
touch bread
touch lettuce
touch ham
touch turkey
touch cheese
touch mayo
touch bread
cd ..
tar -zcvf sammich.tar.gz sammich
mv sammich.tar.gz /home/datastream33/guests/blaacksheep/lunch_plate
echo 'Sammich is ready sir!'
cd ..
rm -r kitchen

Done! Hopefully the sammich is tasty. :D
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] asl76:
How do i uninstall the Fire Toolbox V8.9 from my windows pc? its not doing as per normal software uninstall route. thanks
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
Hi, and welcome to XDA!

I've always just deleted the "%LocalAppData%\Datastream\Fire Toolbox Vx.x" folder. I don't think the program really installs anything.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] ahha1991:
I have Fire 10 HD 2021 and tried to use the reroute option for the home button. The tool box does not show any icons to upload and when I completed the install my home button was gone. Is this something new?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
Hi, and welcome to XDA!

You say "The tool box does not show any icons to upload". What does that mean? The Toolbox is an application for your Windows computer, and does not "upload any icons" to your tablet.

Edit: If you mean replacement navbar icons, they are available on the same page you got the Toolbox.

You also said "when I completed the install my home button was gone". That could be because you were on a screen with a light background and the button was invisible, or because you didn't follow the instructions exactly and Automate is not fully installed, but probably the former.

Please read the first post thoroughly (including the appropriate spoilers). Also, follow the instructions on the Custom Launcher subtool exactly. It is important that the Automate app installs correctly. There is a known problem with the Custom Navbar Button disappearing on light backgrounds. The button is still there and it works, it's just invisible. Changing the navbar background to black instead of transparent fixes that in most cases.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
From ESPER blog, an Interesting technical discussion of AOSP Android (the basis of Amazon FireOS) and it’s relation to Google/GPS .. explains a lot about FireOS and GPS conflicts on Fire tablets.

What does "AOSP Android" really mean? Can you use it? - Esper Blog

https://blog.esper.io/aosp-missing-features-google-gms/

Also see their "Android Byres" podcasts for more things Android.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Davy49:
This sammich recipe has really got me hungry, I wish it was a little bit closer to lunchtime. ;)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] PhilipF8_2010:
Hi.

I've been visiting this community from time to time, but now when I bought a Fire HD 8 tablet it was a huge help to get rid of all the Amazon pre-installed junk. I just have one question, how do I install system (security) updates to be up to date?

Thank you.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
Hi, and welcome to XDA!

Many of us here have come to the realization that Amazon's updates are more about patching their OS to keep us from doing what we do to it than security. I can't say it hasn't happened, but I've never heard of someone's Fire device being hacked because of a missed "security update". The main thing to do is to keep your finances off the Fire tablet. Just think of it as a less secure zone and don't do sensitive things on it.

I have a 2019 tablet with old firmware, and a 2021 tablet with new firmware just to explore the differences. The older firmware is much easier to use and disable the Amazon apps than the new one. It's far more stable too. You really don't want the updates because your experience will deteriorate with them. ;)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] PhilipF8_2010:
Hi.

Thank you for the detailed response.

Now, much as I'd like to keep my finances off of it, I can't because it's bank apps so they require an Android (or iOS) phone/tablet to access it. That's frankly a bit annoying not giving clients the option to use a desktop computer / browser.

I bought it primarily for this reason as Amazon says it'll be supported at least until 2026 which is a decent amount of years.

Fire Tablet Device Software Security Updates - Amazon Customer Service

Fire Tablets receive guaranteed software security updates until at least four years after the device is last available for purchase on our websites.

www.amazon.com

I see it can be manually updated thru download if anyone would want: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=G2JXLC4L34GX73TE

Again, thank you. You, and the XDA community were way more helpful than the Amazon rep which kept giving me suggestions (to activating notifications of apps, more specifically Play Store apps) that never worked (somehow he's employed there).

People who pay to remove ads from the tablet they bought definitely feels like a legalized scam.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
I'd take a closer look at your financial institutions' websites. I think you'll find that most of your banking can in fact be done through a web browser on your computer instead of your tablet or phone. That's always been what I've found anyway.

The main problem I have is logging on to my bank's website through a VPN when I foreget it's running and they're not expecting the login. My card gets locked because I'm not where I'm supposed to be. Then I have to call up customer service and wait on hold for 20 minutes just to tell someone in a foreign country who doesn't speak clear English that it was me that logged in from somewhere unusual through my VPN and that my card wasn't stolen. A true P.I.T.A. :rolleyes:
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] PhilipF8_2010:
Certain bank apps allow, others don't.

I've complained about it (probably not the only one) and hopefully they'll allow access thru a browser with a future revision.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] PhilipF8_2010:
While it's preferable to use a superior launcher, is there no way to remove the "For You," "Library," and "Register Device" on the Home tab?

The Fire launcher is very basic though still serviceable. Millions or billions use it since it's the tablet's default launcher.