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[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
Welcome to the Community!

Fire HD10 /HD10 Plus (Gen 11,2021) released May 26, 2021 with FireOS 7.3.1.9

All f/w released by Amazon for Gen 11 Fire tablets to date:

7.3.1.9 - May 2021

7.3.2.1 - September 2021

7.3.2.2 - November 2021

7.3.2.3 - May 2022

7.3.2.4 - August 2022

7.3.2.6 - November 2022

7.3.2.7 - February 2023

7.3.2.8 - April 2023

Fire Toolbox is primarily a curated set of ADB commands, so it "works"/supports all versions of FireOS 7 on Gen 11 Fire tablets.

However, the effectiveness of FTB mods depends on the f/w installed.

Prior to f/w 7.3.2.2 (November, 2021) FireOS was fully amenable to ADB modifications. Mod were simple and easy to make.

From f/w 7.3.2.2 and later, Amazon began "system restricting" some FireOS apps so that ADB commands were ineffective; most notably OTA Updates and Fire Launcher apps could not be disabled. @Datastream33 furtively developed a set of "workarounds" to allow continued mod functions, but the workaround processes required additional code/software and used more valuable system resources. FTB still "works" and is still effective but requires much more user effort. FTB was never "broken" but has been limited from time to time; workaround procedures are always being updated.

Fire HD/HD10 Plus (Gen 11, 2021) f/w installed may vary depending on when/where the units were assembled and how long they have been in inventory.

OTTB original units may have f/w 7.2.1.9 ; later and refurbished units may have any f/w variant. OTA updates will always install the most f/w , currently f/w 7.3.2.8 .

For best FTB mod results, f/w prior to 7.3.2.2 is preferred. YMMV.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] DirkStorck:
Hi,

I try to disable "Alexa" on my tablet with the latest Toolbox. Its says that it is disabled but if I say "Alexa" the app still reacts on it.

Any advices please! Thanks!
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
Please confirm your Fire tablet model and FireOS version .thx.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] DirkStorck:
Fire HD 8 Plus (Gen 10)

Can't find the OS-Version.I have a build number: 0026743734660
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] :
@blaacksheep - I check my PiHole logs are the following sites were correctly blocked during the time my HD8 updated itself....

arcus-uswest.amazon.com

softwareupdates.amazon.com

The following are amazon sites but not blocked...

dcape-na.amazon.com

msh.amazon.co.uk

r13s.service.amazonsilk.com

consumer-api.eu-west-1.prod.fire-card.devices.a2z.com

www.amazon.fr

api.amazon.fr

952d1a95c819aeaa707fe4a0164d8116871b4a1d728ec4a0b14d13a36ba7eda.us-east-1.prod.service.minerva.devices.a2z.com
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] eragonhnn:
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[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] eragonhnn:
luckily my Fire10 ( 2019 ) is still on version 7.3.1.9 i am thinking of upgrading to Fire 11 Max but i will probably give up on that and switch to another brand tablet.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
With AWS and all the infrastructure Amazon has, you're going to see many amazon servers on ANY device's connection logs. The 6 domains blocked on the amazon blocklist have proven to be all that need to be blocked (in North America). I don't know for sure if additional domains need to be blocked in Europe, but haven't had any specific reports to that effect. If you find you still get an update with the blocklist in place, then let us know and I'll quickly add the server from which it arrived to the blocklist. :)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] DB126:
Fire Max 11: This is a tough device to like. Cranky with Google Play Services and mainstream apps that depend on Alphabet's framework/restrictions. Sometimes freezes for no apparent reason. And the list goes on ...

I'm no spring chicken tweaking Amazon devices and can usually get them to work satisfactorily with w/o regard to firmware. This kid has been a challenge, largely due to the Amazon's selfish tinkering with the underlying OS.

Glad I snagged one (at a substantial discount) for the sole benefit of biometric authentication which I have on every other device. That said, it will be the last Amazon gizmo purchase in absence of accomodations for general use. I do not see that happening as there is no upside for Amazon.

On a broader scale, Android tablets are seeing a modest resurgence which should yield capable models in the mid-range over the next few years. Much like phones, TVs and other consumer appliances.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
So sad , but invariably true ☹️.

When Amazon device mod veterans, like yourself , "leave town" , the short-term prospects for modding Fire tablets with future FireOS versions looks a liitle bleak.

Fire Max 11 looked promising as a productivity tool, but is totally "hobbled" by FireOS , especially f/w 8.3.1.9 .

A new Fire HD 10 is rumoured in the pipeline, but if it's anything like Fire Max 11, it might be a tough sell.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
FWIW I recently saw this pi-hole/Amazon blocklist on GitHub. It may be for UK/EU FireTV, but it illustrates the breadth of Amazon's AWS global reach. Is most of this telemetry ?

PiHoleBlocklist/AmazonFireTV.txt at master · Perflyst/PiHoleBlocklist

PiHole and AGH Blocklists. Contribute to Perflyst/PiHoleBlocklist development by creating an account on GitHub.

github.com
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
I'd imagine it was telemetry or other spying. They seem to need to pass an awful lot of data around to cryptic server names to make their system work right. I didn't even attempt to go down that rabbit hole and merely found out what servers needed to be blocked to prevent updates. 🤷
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] :
Thanks, I'm going to add those to my blocklist and see what happens. Hopefully nothing!
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] James62370:
I totally agree. Everything works fine for a few days and then apps just start closing/crashing on their own. A reboot temporarily fixes the problem but then it starts all over again. I snagged two at a great price with trade-ins but this will probably be my last Fire Tablet purchase. Datastream33 has been great in keeping this toolbox updated along with a few very active members (Jumbo100 & Blaacksheep to name a few). Take care and good luck, everyone!
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] dragid10:
Maybe I'm dumb, but I cannot see the link to the micropatch. Is that what the Linux 2.0 beta is on the front page? Or is there a different link I'm supposed to be seeing
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
Purely "blue sky" speculation, but it seems that Fire Max 11/FireOS 8.3.1.x/July Google Play updates is a "toxic" incompatible combination.

Is Google periodically scanning your system and randomly "soft flagging" all downloaded software on a "non-compliant"device as malware ?

Google doesn't have to absolutely kill off Fire tablets but it's "death by a thousand cuts".

Looks like @Datastream33 and Fire Toolbox are caught in the crossfire.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
Micropatches are not separate downloads but are obtained from within Fire Toolbox under "Updates". Micropatches aren't generally announced with release notes, so you have to periodically manually check to see if @Datastream33 has made any interim bug fixes. @Datastream33 releases new FTB versions when adding new features or major changes in procedures, and always adding micropatches to stomp out minor bugs.

Note that FTB v32.0 is only available by fresh download and not by updating previous code.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] dragid10:
Ahh I see!

Then can't get the micropatch since the license has expired in the toolbox installer. I'll just try the Windows VM route
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
I think that message was directed to me. I've messaged @Datastream33 to let him know that Toolbox 2.0 will not load and the updater won't load as a stand-alone either because of the expired license. I told him I would need to do a full reinstallation with a fully updated v2.1 to check it out. So far he hasn't responded, so I figure he's probably busy at the moment. I'll run it as soon as I get it so he can get it out to people running the linux port. Until then, I'll keep running v32.0 in a Windows VM.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] DB126:
Nah. Amazon has nutered FireOS; core binaries and selected APIs simply aren't there or do not perform as expected. Google enforcements are secondary and generally not problematic.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] wanze2001:
Ich werde auch aktualisieren
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] LordUnderling:
What is the current ETA for an updated Fire Toolbox? Count me among those who have encountered "RuntimeError: this license key is expired" while trying to install FTB on Linux.

I tried to install FTB on MX Linux MX-23 Release Candidate 3 and on Lubuntu 23.04 because both have glibc versions greater than 2.35.

I'm not sure but appears to me that some of the Python code that would have previously being installed using "pip" are being made available through the Linux distributions' repository.

Here's a list of those packages that were either preinstalled or I have installed manually:

ca-certificates

ca-certificates-mono

python3-pip

python3-tk

python3-willow

python3-certifi

python3-pil

python3-pil-imagetk

python3-tqdm

python3-requests

pipx

Using "pipx" instead of "pip" I installed the following:

pipx install pysimplegui
pipx install pyautogui --include-deps
pipx install pyarmor
pipx install pyinstaller
pipx ensurepath

Some of the above is probably unnecessary but I wanted to see if those might have made a difference. It appears not.

(It appears that "pipx" is intended to use some kind of sandbox approach for running Python code, presumably to protect against possible malware.)

Oh well. I guess this means that I'll have to bring my old Windows PC back out of retirement again.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] zerosum79:
Wanted to say a big thanks to Datastream33 for Firetoolbox. Got V32.1 up and running on my Fire 11 HD. Had to take the plunge after some update caused all my sideloaded google stuff to stop working within a week of loading it. Works really well even though I didn't know about unlinking from my account before purchase.

One quick hint on nova launcher settings:

Nova Launcher is amazing. For people who don't know what this is, it is a overlay that allows the tablet to look basically like an android tab instead of the amazon version. It was the last thing I was able to get to work because the accessibility settings are a bit different than what you will find when you search google on how to enable them.

To get it to work properly: Go to accessibility and scroll all the way to the bottom. Under "Services" there are three settings. Turn on "To detect home button press" and "Nova Launcher".
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] zerosum79:
messing around more with the toolbox I solved my own question. However for anyone interested, after doing the standard debloat, you can go below and re-enable selected apps under the "manual" portion of the manage amazon apps tab. I was able to get back audible (for example)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] hmp365:
What are the chances that the Fire HD10 2021 (Gen 11th) will get an update/upgrade release for Fire OS 8, or is it more likely that Amazon will just release the Fire HD10 2023 (14th gen) with OS8 later this year and therefore ignore the previous models and not allow them to upgrade.

I have one of the so called golden versions of Fire OS 7.3.2.1 however as mirroring/miracast is missing then its of no use so would would welcome the upgrade to OS8 even with all its problems, that's if mirroring/miracast is back like it is with the Fire Max 11 (2023, 13th Gen) & Fire HD 8 (2022, 12th Gen).
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] DB126:
A

About zero. The only time I saw Amazon attempt this was on the HDX series (FireOS 4->5); did not go well.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Datastream33:
Greetings!

A Linux update is set to release some time during the week. @blaacksheep has been helping me find issues and problems with the new build, and we've come across some issues that need fixing. As for the RuntimeError it seems the builds are set to expire 30 days after creation. Managed to increase the number of days significantly so that should help with future builds.

Thank you so much for your patience!
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Datastream33:
Greetings!

So happy to hear you're enjoying the Toolbox my friend! It's your input and support that drives development forward!

Also, glad to hear you got Nova up and running, and cheers for the tip... it is a very useful one! :D
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Datastream33:
Really? All the way back in 2013? Dang.

Edit: According to the HDX wiki (take it with a grain of salt), it appears it was upgradeable from FireOS 3 to FireOS5.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] DB126:
Spot on! Device was released with FireOS v3 with subsequent builds sporting v4. Device was unlockable (not easily) and thus rootable. Modders soon produced several reliable, AOSP based custom ROMs. Toward the end of the HDX lifecycle Amazon upgraded larger 8.9" devices to FireOS v5. That didn't go so well but Amazon was good about replacing bricks. HDX was a beautiful device but ultimately outgrew it's hardware limitations and associated binaries (think drivers) that mired it kitcat based ROMs.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] jhford:
Amazon replaced my new HD 7 2022 12 Gen, because WiFi connectivity was intermittent. I'm ready to setup the new one and Androidize it as much as possible. I also have an HD 8 Plus which I Androidized with the aid of One Button Navigation, Activity Launcher, Automate, Launcher Replacer, RethinkDNS, and Nova Launcher 6.2.9, because 7.x messes with some of my apks. Can someone point me to optimization instructions?

Thanks, greatly appreciated
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] :
I keep a Win7 machine on standby for exactly such situations. A VM works some/a lot of the time but brings with it its own complications.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] hmp365:
It looks like a couple of models were updated/upgraded from OS6 to OS7 around 2019.

Fire HD 8 (2022, 12th Gen) OS8 (Miracast/Mirroring enabled)

Fire HD 10 (2021, 11th gen) OS7

Fire HD 8 (2020, 10th Gen) OS7

Fire HD 10 (2019, 9th Gen) OS7

Fire HD 8 (2018, 8th Gen) OS7 (was OS6)

Fire HD 10 (2017, 7th Gen) OS5

Fire HD 8 (2017, 7th Gen) OS5

Fire HD 8 (2016, 6th Gen) OS5

Fire HD 10 (2015, 5th Gen) OS5

Fire HD 8 (2015, 5th Gen) OS5

Fire 7 (2022, 12th gen) OS8 (Miracast/Mirroring disabled?)

Fire 7 (2019, 9th Gen) OS7 (was OS6)

Fire 7 (2017, 7th Gen) OS5

Fire (2015, 5th Gen) OS5

https://developer.amazon.com/docs/fire-tablets/ft-device-specifications-firehd-models.html

Today customer service(technical) at Amazon confirmed that the Fire HD 10 (2021, 11th gen) OS7 will definitely not get the update/upgrade to OS8.

Re mirroring they said

The following devices only support screen mirroring to Fire TV devices:

Fire HDX 8.9 (4th Generation)

Fire HD 8 (5th Generation)

Fire HD 10 (5th Generation)

Fire HD 8 (12th Generation)

They didn't mention

Fire Max 11 (2023, 13th Gen) OS8 (Miracast/Mirroring enabled?) or Fire 7 2022.

UK version of Amazon site now says mirroring only supported on FOS8

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=TGc24BTrmjlhHW9Nnr

Wonder if the TBC Fire HD 10 (2023, 14th gen) OS8 will support it, they could be looking to release it just after black friday and try and clear the stocks of the 2021 version first.

https://tabletmonkeys.com/2023-version-fire-hd-10-leaks/
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] moccor:
Anyone have any suggestions of what I should do about this problem. I have a small Fire 8 HD 10th gen, I barely use it. I went to use it and it connects to WiFi but never gets internet. Resets and cache clearing didn't help, I believe the problem is the date + time. It says December 8th 2021 11:35PM every time I restart the tablet and when I try to change the time to fix it, it just doesn't actually do anything. I am sure the software is very outdated, but I kinda customized it how I like with debloating using this Toolbox long ago and other things, so I kinda don't want to redo it for something I barely use as is, but I do want it to work yaknow
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
Ah, the time won't set problem. What may have happened is that when you customized your tablet with Toolbox, you probably disabled Device Setup under Manage Amazon Apps either by manually disabling it or using the Standard Debloat script. You'll need to re-enable Device Setup in the Manual tab, Simple (recommended) option. Then you should be able to correct the time or time zone or enable network time.

If you have a pre-7.3.2.2 model with OTA updates disabled, you can update the Amazon apps that won't update in the store by using the 3rd link in my signature and sideloading the updated apps that you need from there. I also have a link to a more comprehensive list of updated apps there too. These apps were all pulled from a post-7.3.2.2 Amazon tablet directly. Just install them over the top of the existing apps and they'll work again. :)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] skinnypope:
So I have Nova working this way as well, however this is all I can get Nova to do (i.e. replace the home button). For example the double click home button doesn't work, or a few of the other options, presumably as I hacked it via Launcher Hijacker?

Is there a way to get all the Nova stuff working?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] zerosum79:
This is actually the first time I've used Nova launcher so I am not sure of its normal full capabilities.

Basically it gives me the three home screens that amazon does (home, and the two advertising windows to the left and right) but all the advertising and store garbage is cleaned out. Its also much easier to arrange apps and folders. At the bottom of the screen there is an up arrow which I can pull up to see all the aps I have loaded in alphabetical order (similar to a regular kindle fire, all on one page). Its way better than the way Fire came configured but not quite as good as my galaxy phone as the scroll left and right screens are not infinite.

From time to time I also get a lag where it shows me the old configuration then automatically overlays the nova launcher after a second or two delay. I don't find it too annoying but it is concerning that the Alexa initial setup seems to be open in the background even though I disabled it completely with Firetoolbox.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] moccor:
Thanks for typing this all out for me. I restored the "Device Setup" and it did let me change the time zone and region. But I can't change the time or date specifically. Do you know which app might be in control of those? It doesn't seem to be "clock" or "calendar"
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] :
I gave up in the end and settled for using the standard amazon launcher (whatever it's called)

I have 10th gen 8, so it was always going o to be a compromise / work around. Yes, I got it working (following the documentation) and experienced the lag that others have remarked upon. But it worked and I could handle that. What I was also getting, and it did get to me, was that (and forgive my non-techie description) whatever app I was using would disappear and the amazon launcher would appear. It was as if something was being triggered in the background. I could go back to the app (browser, whatever) and I hadn't lost anything. I removed the launcher hijack app and it stopped happening.

Nova is a better launcher imo and it does work well but this random firing, I'm guessing Launcher Hijack, did for me and I'm now used to the amazon launcher.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
Unlike most other Android devices, Fire tablets do not allow manual setting of time and/or date ; they are set automatically by Wi-Fi.

You'll need to turn on Wi-Fi BUT ensure that you have OTA Updates disabled to protect your FTB mods.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] moccor:
The problem with that is, I think the device is refused internet for some reason due to the date/time being very inaccurate (December 2021). I tried hotspot from my phone as well as home WiFi, but it just says "connected, no internet". I think it might be some weird problem due to not turning it on for a very long time (1year+)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
Looks like your Wi-Fi works but your network connection doesn't.

Try the Connection Assistant as a start for basic network troubleshooting.

I think your Fire tablet is fine but maybe some of your other mods/software/hardware are blocking internet access.

May be as simple as reinitialing your Wi-Fi connection.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] TallTommy:
I think it updated over the weekend right before I ran the ota block so that must be the issue.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] pappo1977:
I agree... I don´t block OTA updates, and now I have the temporary root via ADB in the toolbox disabled.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] yafi1710:
Help [MENTION=8560782]Datastream33[/MENTION] ! I have used it before! But I recently flashed stock firmware and now suddenly ToolBox is not detecting my Fire HD 8 (2017)! What is the problem? ADB is properly installed as I checked with command prompt! When I run the tool there is a black screen and then it disappears!

---------- Post added at 01:58 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:57 PM ----------

Help [MENTION=8560782]Datastream33[/MENTION] ! I have used it before! But I recently flashed stock firmware and now suddenly ToolBox is not detecting my Fire HD 8 (2017)! What is the problem? ADB is properly installed as I checked with command prompt! When I run the tool there is a black screen and then it disappears!
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] kurdiak:
not working

last version have issues, after start there is black screen and then the program auto shutdown.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] lg26:
Same here, same problem on HD10 2017 again.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] mookinator:
Installed the FireHD USB drivers successfully.

Installed V6.0. At first run a comand prompt flashes then goes away and deletes the desktop shortcut.

I've installed every version from 4.3 to 6.0 and they all do the same thing. On both my Win10 and Win7 machines.

Any advice? Thanks.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] KevMetal:
disable windows defender

disable signed driver check
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] pappo1977:
Follow your instructions ( thank you! ) but same result... open black cmd and then close itself.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] nimrod.sixty9:
I have same issues.

Worked first time, but had issues with launcher and decided to start over from scratch.

Now application can no longer be used.

Opens black screen and disappears.

Icon does not disappear for me tho. Removed everything and started over with install, driver signing disabled, as well as AV, to no avail.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Datastream33:
Ok, for everyone having issues I need your help. I'm not sure where the issue lies, but there is something that will help massively to find out what's causing this issue. I've attached a .zip file that contains a few registry files that will disable and enable force close of the command prompt upon an error. If you can be so kind as to extract the zip file and in the "CMDForceCloseControl" (extracted from the zip file) folder run the "DisableForceClose.reg" file. This will completely disable force closing of CMD which should give us a good indication as to where the error lies. Can I have everyone that is facing issues run this file and report back if the Toolbox gives us any errors to work with? Thanks and hopefully we can find the culprit! :fingers-crossed: