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[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] DB126:
Total RAM is of little consequence if memory management algorithms are mistuned. I've seen this before in previous FireOS builds. Amazon eventually tweaks parms to improve stability. That said, I also acknowledge personal practices may be a contributing factor, including running a perpetual VPN that doesn't always play nice w/FireOS
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] AlwaysCT:
I've scrolled back in this thread a bit, but at this point is the consensus that the Fire 11 requires too much handholding to be worth deploying as a home automation dashboard (through Fully Kiosk) if you have to reboot daily? With Prime sales going on right now, I was thinking of picking up a couple of Fire 10's or 11's for dashboard deployments.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] DB126:
IMO any Amazon Fire device is a high maintenance endeavor vs a 'standard' Android tablet. The counter balance is the relatively low price point and reasonably high quality (for the price point) of most Amazon gizmos. Pick your poison :)

A daily reboot is not mandatory by any means. I opt to do so because it conveniently fits into my workflow and reduces the chance of potential downstream weirdness which typically occurs at the worst possible time.

That said, I would not consider using a Fire device as an 'always on' home automation dashboard unless you enjoy spontaneous lockups, random app failures and perpetual device tinkering. Assess your inner geek coefficient and proceed accordingly.

FWIW - I was recently pinned in a geographic area with poor network coverage. The Fire 11 was effectively useless while an older HD10 with a similar config and FireOS 7.x hummed right along. Disabling the VPN/firewall and a few other background services on the Fire 11 yielded significant improvements. Definitely some resource management issues in FireOS 8.3 that Amazon needs to address.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] wish_:
Thanks for this. I updated to 8.3.2.0 and both of the apps work so far.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] SEuk:
How do i save my disabled apps list to a file?

I'd like to be able to load my settings from file to save me going through it all again

I can see the options to load from debloat file but not open, save your own backup
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
Hi, and welcome to XDA!

You can use the 'System Backup' tool in Toolbox to store your app states (enabled/disabled) by going to the second page of Toolbox, selecting 'Package States' , and then making a backup. Other options will backup more things. :)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] dcooterfrog:
i have an hd8 12th on 8.3.1.9

most things seem to work OK so far

most important was play store. works good

launcher is second

, on an older fire i used fNG fluid navigation gestures to give me pixel 6 like nav. and to launch my custom launcer

i cannot hide the nav bar nor get the swipe from bottom to home to work.

swipe from side for back works fine.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
Hi, and welcome to XDA!

Have you figured out how to replace your launcher yet, or do you still need help?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
Have you tried replacing the older non-working Amazon Music app with the newer version in either my signature or, better yet, with the one from braveheartleo's collection? The problem(s) are usually from having a firmware version prior to v7.3.2.2. Amazon decided to try and force a firmware update by making their apps from versions older than this not work any longer unless you update your firmware (which most people don't want to do). Bravehearleo and myself pulled newer apps from a later tablet and placed them in a Google drive account to make them available to others. You simply grab the app(s) you need and sideload it/them over the existing app(s). I recommend braveheartleo's over mine because his are newer and more complete than mine. I believe his are in a single zip file so you download all of them. Mine are individual files, and I don't remember if I grabbed the music app.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] uweee:
I guess that happens to me! I did not update the FW and music app is outdated.

I messed around by myself and the toolbox and deleted Amazon Music app by tool box and installed APK from bravehaertleo (thanks for publishig @braveheartleo ) but I stopped and deactivated Amazon Music under "storage" internal and on sd card, since then my amazon music is available onlay as an "offline" Version.

btw apk or installed version shows 22.6.12

also strange, found out today, in device option, I can not show/press "systemupdates" after I press the screen shows main page of "options" so I do not know my FW version of the HD10 plus.

all this funny behaviour let me think of restore factory setup, best case to my old FW, and try the amazon music update via apk again. There is nothing important on my tablet, also there is an option to "backup everythin in the amazon cloud" I guess without all toolbox apps(?)

thanks again

and, found out that I can read out the FW via toolbox

Device: Amazon Fire HD 10 (2021)

Codename: trona

FireOS Version: 7.3.2.1

Android Version: 9.0

Security Patch: 2018-10-05

Chipset: MT8183

System Uptime: 16h 52m 05s

sideload of braveheartleos music app is not possible to my HD10plus
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
Your first problem is that you disabled the built-in app. You have to start with the app enabled. I have no idea what you mean by "but I stopped and deactivated Amazon Music under "storage" internal and on sd card". The app is deactivated (or disabled) in Toolbox by using the package manager on your tablet. It must be active (or enabled) in order to work. Also, you should remove any apk downloaded from Amazon Appstore or Google Play store that was installed to replace or update the built-in app. Just find the app, long press it and select 'app info'. There you can uninstall any app that isn't a system app, or downgrade to the 'bare metal' system app. The system app won't uninstall - it will be greyed out. Once you've done that, you can install the bravheartleo provided app.

The problem you are having with the sideload tool in Toolbox may be an ADB problem with the app. It can be done without Toolbox or ADB. Just use your computer to copy the apk file to your tablet with the file browser and then tap the apk file on your tablet to install it. It's the right version, even though ADB doesn't agree with it.

The behavior of 'System Update' on your tablet is what happens when OTA updates are disabled and it is normal. You have a f/w version prior to 7.3.2.3 so it was disabled by Toolbox. You don't need to reset the tablet.

Anything that Amazon offers to 'backup in the cloud' will just be a list of your installed apps and possibly your data, but not your disabled apps or your Toolbox tweaking. Restoring such a backup to a factory reset tablet will only give you a stock Amazon Launcher and lockscreen ads with the addition of your downloaded apps included. Remember that we're going outside of what Amazon intended by using Toolbox, and any OTA updates try to remove all the modifications we've made. Resetting is a last resort because it is easy to mess up and allow an unitntional OTA update before you can run Toolbox to disable that. (y)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Drugie_711:
Hello, thanks for having me :)

No i didnt figure it out, unfortunatly. i'm still overlooking the disable checkbox for sure.

Best Regards

Drugie
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
It looks like you either have FireOS 7 v7.3.2.3 or higher, or a FireOS 8 version tablet that is only going to allow you to use the Custom Navbar button method of launcher replacement judging by your screenshot. What tablet, year, and firmware version do you have? (e.g. Fire HD 8 (2020) f/w V.7.3.2.3) :geek:

Also, if you are using the Linux version, it still needs to be corrected for that launcher replacement method to work. A new v4 for Linux is in the works, but not ready yet. If you're using the Linux version, please find a computer or laptop with Windows and install the Windows version on it. (y)

Edit: I just looked again and you're running the Windows version. Good. What happens when you make the selections shown and press 'Yes'? It should install Nova, then install Automate and import the flow to make things work, followed by instructions to set it up correctly, and finally ask your navbar preferred layout. Where does the process come to a halt? :unsure:
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Automatkarbin:
Hey all, new forum user. Ordered a Fire Max 11 today and I’m planning on using the fire toolbox on it when I receive it. Been aware of this tool for a while but I’ve never really had a use for a tablet until recently. Looks like I should have scoped this thread out before ordering the Max 11, looks like the latest version of fire OS is causing some problems. But I doubt it would have swayed my decision, the only other thing that competes (in this price range) is the Onn 11 pro, and there are lots of reports of those having bad firmware and bricking themselves, even according to the people at Walmart I talked to.

Anyway, I have a quick question.

After reading some posts about experiences with the Max 11, Should I update Fire OS on my 11 when I receive it or set it up offline using the toolbox per the instructions? I’m reading moving to the newest version of Fire OS clears up some issues? I understand that this is a new tablet and will come with some growing pains, thanks!
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] :
Hello again folks, a question for those in the know.

Is there a definitive word on location services on the Fire? My debloated, googlified HD8 10th Gen is struggling. Some apps access location services (Google Maps, My GPS Location, weather rapp) yet others don't (Sygic, Here Maps, GPS Test). Note, it's not that they don't find location - they're not even asking for it (that is, no location indicator appears in the status bar)

Now I don't remember if I've tried to fix this before and given up on it OR it's never worked consistently anyway. My searches revealed that it's a vexing question for some but nothing has so far worked for me. Thank you for any pointers :)

Edit: I think I might have my answer now; GPS won't work on some Fire tablets because Amazon (in their wisdom) have seemingly not activated GNSS.... or that's my understanding of it, please correct me if I am wrong. I have read work-arounds (including a 'mock location' app) but I haven't been able to get anything to work for me. So I guess that I tried before and gave up, and have simply forgotten I'd tried.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] DB126:
Allow device to naturally update if you're seeking a more reliable experience; most things just work after installation of Google Play Services within the limitations/restrictions of FireOS. Tinkerers and those enjoy dipping their head in a pot of boiling oil can try to hold back. Keep in mind once you update there's no going back.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] uweee:
OK, today I followed your suggestions,

Amazon Music app could not uninstalled so it was a system app

after that I ve copied bravehearts apk to my device and v23.7.12 installed

after Ive started the app its in offline mode "start listening and add to your library"

so no connection to amazon music account and no way to connect me!

when I press "explore" a new windows pops up, says that my account is currently in Germany which is correct, when I choose next it "loops" again back to this window. I cant choose other countries.

and if I press cancel it says "finishing amazon music account" additional account information needed to use the account"

so, now I have the right apk but still no access to the online account

edit: i have mentioned it before, if I start amazon music from the amazon website within Chrome and select chrome it shows an error message too! If i do the same and select firefox as browser it works.... completly strange:-)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
Is your tablet signed in to Amazon? If not, re-enable Shop Amazon and launch it to sign in. (y)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] uweee:
in the meantime I lost my nerves:-)

I set the tablet back to factory settings, did the toolbox procedure as described on first page here...

I have to install all my previous apps but first thing I ve checked was the status of amazon music. It connects to my account and plays/works even it was the old version. After that I installed the apk from braveheartleo directly from tablet and it works too!

the tablet is more or less used for unproductive things so I lost nothing but the time to install everything again:-)

thanks a lot for your support @blaacksheep
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
Make sure to disable OTA updates immediately! (y)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] uweee:
thx for reminding and first thing I did :cool:
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Automatkarbin:
Ok, thank you! Followup question, If I run Fire Toolbox, and a Fire OS update becomes available afterward, is it recommended to just install it? Or should the device be factory reset, updated, and then have the fire toolbox run again? Sorry if these are repeat questions, just want to make sure I understand, thanks again!
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
Welcome to XDA!

If you choose to allow FireOS updates, a factory reset should not be necessary. But you will need to re-run Toolbox because OTA updates usually remove many of the modifications Toolbox makes. :)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Automatkarbin:
Thanks again! Hopefully, I'll have a review of the Fire Max 11 soon for those considering doing the same.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] davidkenway:
Does anyone have the 8.3.1.3 firmware file for HD 8 Plus (12th Gen)?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
Yes! They're in the 3rd link in my signature, or here. It's downloaded direct from Amazon's support site when it was first available. You want the last file on the list. :)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] jhford:
Why would anyone want that??
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
I'm not sure, but I had it. 🤷‍♂️
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Automatkarbin:
Received my Fire Max 11 today, its running Fire OS 8.3.1.9 (Build Date June 6th).

Fire toolbox ran fine for the most part, I had a hard time getting the Nova launcher to stick. Ended up using the Launcher Hijack method. Ran the network metering workaround for OTA updates. I cant sign into chrome, but I think other have mentioned that, might try getting that working. I was using an SSH app to remote into my RasPi, and the "Ener" key was not registering as "Enter" within the shell, Installing the Hackers Keyboard fixed this. The apps I’m running all work fine aside from the hiccups I mentioned, ill list them below. I’d say its money well spent so far, any oddities or hiccups I’m wiling to live with or work around. Thank you!

Apps: Chrome, NetFlix, ConnectBot GoogleDrive, Fling, Hackers Keyboard GoogleKeep, PortDroid, rtl-sdr driver, SDRTouch, GoogleSheets, Spotify, YouTube
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] davidkenway:
Thanks. Updated my HD8+ successfully. This is my first time using Fire tablet. I also installed Google Services via FTB. But all the apps that installed from Play Store cannot show push notification (even Gmail and Youtube), is it an existing issue?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] kujo__23:
All the issues are resolved and were caused by the content filtering on my router!

I'm having issues with my Amazon Fire HD10 tablet. I can't install any apps from Amazon AppStore. Gives me error: Can't connect to server - The download will be automatically retired.

So, I tried to use Fire Toolbox to tweak the tablet and switch to Google services and apps.

All went good, however:

I can install Netflix app from Google store but it doesn't connect and stuck on logo ("Sorry, we could not reach the Netflix service. Please try again later -171" error)

I can't install Netflix using Amazon appstore for reasons I wrote above

I can install Netflix from Fire Toolbox - Hybrid apps but it stuck on the logo and doesn't load as well (-426 error). Maybe the apk wasn't updated in the Toolbox, i don't know...

Interesting fact is that I can't open netflix.com from Chrome as well using my tablet. Works on every other non-amazon device.

I'd appreciate any ideas how to make my Amazon appstore work again or install Netflix via Toolbox.

Thanks in advance! Fire Toolbox is an awesome tool!

@Datastream33 would be happy to hear your comments please!
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blckdrgn:
Hey all, just a quick question after trying to read through the thread:

I'm looking to buy a couple of the new Amazon Fire HD 10 tablets that release later this month for my in-laws. They're coming from a dead iPad and a quickly dying one - all I'm looking to do is add the Google Play store so they can find the games they're used to playing alongside their web browsing.

If I understand correctly, this toolbox should let me install the Play Store (once it's been updated to whatever new version of Fire that the new tablet ships with I assume) - if that's the only change I'm looking to make, how reliable does it stay installed/working after OTA updates?

Thanks!
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
Hi, and welcome to XDA!

It's good that you solved your issues at the router. :) Routers are so "set and forget" that we often don't remember them in troubleshooting. I hope Toolbox is working well for you and don't be afraid to ask any questions should they arise. (y)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
Hi, and welcome to XDA!

Most people try to disable or limit OTA updates because they are so disruptive/destructive. OTA updates will at a minimum undo many of Toolbox's modifications, and at worst they will remove the option to re-modify some settings. On FireOS 7, ideally you want a version that's prior to 7.3.2.3 for all Toolbox mods to work. On FireOS 8, Google play store doesn't work properly until v8.3.1.3 or v8.3.1.5, so if you've got an earlier release you have to update to at least v8.3.1.3 for maximum usability. :)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blckdrgn:
Thanks for the response!
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] pattyland:
Did I get it right that I have no chance to prevent Amazon from forcing an Update that will break my setup if my refurbished Fire 10 came with Fire OS 7.3.2.7?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
No, you can still block updates but it's more difficult. Toolbox can put your wifi connection into 'metered' mode and that will greatly reduce any updating activity (but not eliminate it). You can install RethinkDNS and run it on your tablet to firewall the update apps, but that uses the VPN function of your tablet so you won't be able to use a real VPN. You can block the server addresses at your router to free up your VPN interface, but then your VPN will bypass your blocked addresses so you basically cant use a VPN at all if you want to block any update. I usually do the first 2 (metered mode and RethimkDNS) on my 7.3.2.3 tablet. :)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] SEuk:
Hi and thank you for the help and welcome 😊

i will look into it today

Would it be possible in the future to have a option to make and save our own lists, like the two debloat lists.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] joho0003:
hi thanks for the great tool. I installed the "google to service(paystore)" with my first user. The second (adult)-user didn't see the playstore or the (google-playstore) apps i installed with the first user. Isn't it possible to use google-play-store apps with the second user? Is it possible to install google-service a second time under my second user?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] DB126:
If you go for the latest (2023 Release) HD10 it will almost certainly arrive with FireOS 8.x with no rollback option to FireOS 7.x.

On the Fire 11, FireOS builds prior to 8.3.2.0 yielded a miserable experience with disruptive Google Play Services compatibility and apps downloaded via the Google Play Store.

My recommendation is to allow an update to FireOS 8.3.2.0 and beyond. I do not block OTA updates and do not regret the decision. That said, it all depends how much tinkering you wish to do (and retain) via the Fire Toolbox.

I would approach the choice of any Fire device (tablet) as a alternative to an iPad with great reservation, especially for older users.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blckdrgn:
Thanks for the info!
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
FYI

Fire OS 8.3.2.1 released for OTA update:

FireOS 8.3.2.1 - Amazon Customer Service

Fire OS 7.3.2.9 released for OTA update:

FireOS 7.3.2.9 - Amazon Customer Service
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] EvaPurple:
Hi All!

I am new here.

First of all, Thank you for this amazing app!

I've got a question...

Fire Tool Box isn't able to toggle off OTA update. :(

Anyone know why?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
You'd have to request that feature from @Datastream33 . He's the one that makes the magic happen. (Toolbox developer) :) It can be done manually, though. It's just a lot of work for something you'd just use once or twice under normal circumstances. (y)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
I'm not sure if a second user account survives a reboot. All the Google stuff and any other mods all have to be re-installed on a second account. I'm also not sure if there are any limitations to installing Google Services under a second account. I don't use a second account so I'm not that familiar with the limitations FireOS has. I know it's not like a true Android tablet and won't do certain things. I just can't remember what they are. You can always try installing it on a second account and testing it out. :)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
Toolbox can't disable OTA updates on FireOS 7 versions above v7.3.2.2 due to Amazon making the OTA updater app a protected system app. You didn't say what firmware version you were running. If I were to guess, it's probably v7.3.2.7. :)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] lukeprokopec:
i followed the steps. i get 'no internet', even after a restart. tried toggling various settings, and still can't get internet. any solutions?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] llarr:
I think something has changed. My tablet (HD10 2019) that uses this method for months now, is showing no internet inside rethinkdns this morning. I've tried a few things. Rethink shows no internet and I get no internet. I can access my wifi fine. Weirdly Telegram is the only app getting internet. Doesn't appear to be a dns thing, tried a couple. Tried putting an ip in my brower and it resolved it correctly but still said no internet.

Only things blocked are the per the guide, amazon/updates. I'm on 7.3.2.2 and as far as I am aware changed nothing overnight. I'm using the override home button for custom launcher. I'm just using rethink, not the metered connection for blocking. Weird. Realistically it must be a rethink issue right? Hmm

Edit: So yeah there is some fault with how rethinkdns is handling dns that is beyond me. Where it shows STOP above no internet, if you switch to Firewall mode from DNS and Firewall (default) it should work fine again, it'll say protected and you'll have the internet once more.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] HaplessK:
Same here. I was watching a youtube video on brave browser. Suddenly the video stopped. The browser shows 'no internet connection'.

Instagram is the only app with Internet that is working fine. What am I suppose to do here?