yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Troglerdiet:
Hi all,

first post, so not sure it belongs here, i just got a 2nd fire7, 12gen, because i updated the firmware after installing google apps etc.

The new one arrived yesterday, turned on developer options and disabled automatic system updates, downloaded google play etc, then Apple Music and YouTube, works great

problem is, that overnight the firmware was updated and now the google play apps don’t work. Is there some other setting I need to change to stop Amazon from updating my device? (autom system up are still showing as disabled)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
Hi. and welcome to XDA!

The HD 7 (2022) models all have the latest FireOS 8 on them and OTA updates cannot be disabled. Only Automatic Updates can be disabled. The OTA Updates is where the firmware on the tablet gets updated.

FireOS 8 has problems with Google Services. I think the only thing you can do is install the first 3 Google Services manually, and then use Aurora to get your apps instead of the Play Store. (Aurora gets it's apps from Google anyway, so they're the same apps.)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] sparker781:
Folks used this tool to disable most if not all Amazon apps. I still see the Discover thing at the top...Is there a way to get rid of that widget? I am trying to get a clean home screen if that's possible
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
Did you replace the launcher? What firmware version are you running? 7.3.2.4?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] sparker781:
currently on the 7.3.2.4. no cutom launcher. i haven't touched an android device in ages.....I used to use Nova Launcher. But I noticed there was a Microsoft Launcher as well
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
You need to replace the launcher to get rid of that. Nova works well on FireOS.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] darbNator:
OH yeah I don't have many apps installed on this thing only the essentials.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Rortiz2:
[MENTION=8560782]Datastream33[/MENTION] debloated and "googled" a Fire 7 2017 from a familiar and worked very well!

The only thing that I recommend you, is that you can use this method for disable ads:

https://xdaforums.com/amazon-fire/general/root-remove-forever-lockscreen-ads-t3824551

There's no need of any app!

Regards!
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] I-AM-PC:
Hi, Does this work with the latest stock rom 5.6.4.0 or do I need to have a custom recovery and root?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Datastream33:
Hi,

To answer your question, you do not need to root or install a custom recovery to use the Toolbox. All features will work 100% without root. Thanks for asking and have a great day! :D
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Datastream33:
Is this method permanent? Because I've tried something like this in the past and unfortunately it didn't work after awhile. Ah, wait i see it uses mtk-su...
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Rortiz2:
No. It's permanent 100% since you disable the app and you disable a few values.

It only uses mtk-su for newer fires (FIRE HD8 2018 and Fire 2019)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] residentorca:
Issue with creating backup

[MENTION=8560782]Datastream33[/MENTION] Thank you so much for this valuable tool.!

Previously I used v.4.5 of the toolbox to add the Google Play Store, change the launcher, disable parental controls and block OTA updates on my GF's tablet. It all worked very well; she was very happy with the results. :)

Today I updated to v.5.0 of the toolbox and used your updated method to block OTA updates which seemed to work. However, when I tried to create a backup, I had some issues. I chose not to encrypt the data and chose the option to backup her user apps. When I initiated the backup procedure, I could see the name of the current app being backed up but it never progressed and then seemed to get stuck. The toolbox said it was waiting for user input and that message never changed. After a few minutes it seemed to time out after which I checked the folder on my C-drive where the backups were to be placed but nothing was there. The table is FIre HD 10 2017 and I'm using Windows 10. If there is any other information I may provide, please let me know.

I also have a question regarding the backup tool: If it had worked, is it designed to backup user apps plus data or just the apps? Thanks again!
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Datastream33:
Hi,

I want to start by saying thank you for the wonderful compliments and I'm happy to hear that every tool has worked as intended (expect for the backup tool), now the issue you are facing is also something I experienced when testing the feature and I was able to fix it by restarting my tablet and trying again. I'm not sure why this occurs and what causes it to freeze. Anyways, I would also suggest when naming the backup to not use any special characters, or spaces. In addition, the Toolbox will move the backups to the following folder: C:\Users\%USERNAME%\AppData\Roaming\Datastream\Amazon Fire Toolbox V5.0\bin\System Backups (Copy and paste folder path into the search bar and hit enter). Please check this folder and see if a backup was created and if not please reboot and try again and see if the issue still remains. If so, I will see if there is something I can do to fix it. Secondly, I'm so glad that you and your gf are enjoying the Toolbox. Please let me know how it goes and I wish you the best of luck! :good: :D
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Datastream33:
Ok, never mind that last post. I've looked through the code and I've realized I messed up on backing up user apps with the system. Please give me some time to fix this error and I will update it ASAP. Thank you for helping me find this error. :good:

I apologize for this friend. Just give me a few minutes to fix it. Thanks!
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Datastream33:
Ok, V5.0 has been fixed and uploaded to all servers. You can download the update from the downloads section of this forum, or by using the Toolbox's Updater. Again, I'm sorry for the inconvenience [MENTION=3550630]residentorca[/MENTION] please have a good night! :D
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] residentorca:
Thank you for the quick response! I will be trying the updated tool again this weekend. Has the restore backup feature been tested by anyone? I understand that system apps are excluded from the backup but I'm still wondering if backup includes user apps AND user data or just user apps?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] GuyInDogSuit:
Isn't there different commands for adb backups that backup/restore certain partitions?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] pieceofphil:
Has the problem been fixed that one can't write on SD cards /external memory on fire HD 10?

It always gives me a failure, tried some apps now

I cleaned with a quite old version 4 I think

Thanks for developing this tool for my study companion aka cheap ass tablet for university:fingers-crossed:
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] pieceofphil:
Parental service error
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] drizzt09:
2017 model? Put back fire launcher. Use launcher hijack to change launchers.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] DB126:
Not that I am aware of. Also this: https://www.xda-developers.com/adb-backup-and-restore-depreciated/
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Kctucka:
[MENTION=8560782]Datastream33[/MENTION] I've got a comment regarding launchers.

It seems users have run into issues changing to nova launcher with launcher hijack and disabling fire launcher.

I am wondering if it is possible to make the toolbox use the temporary root shell to move Nova Launcher to system/priv-app. From there, the toolbox can then disable the fire launcher without issues.

This will make things less clunky and smoother than with launcher hijack, and allow widget support automatically (after a reboot).

This only applies to 7th gen devices though (which are the devices with issues). 8th gen will have issues with mounting system read write.

Edit:

For an example, Nova can be moved as follows:

adb shell
su
mount -o remount -rw /system
cp -pr /data/app/com.teslacoilsw.launcher-1 /system/priv-app/com.teslacoilsw.launcher
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] pieceofphil:
Fire launcher is not disabled, I'm running hijack and Nova.

But the problem is not with launcher, but with access to SD card no matter what app.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] drizzt09:
That is weird then. I have fire 7" (2017) with fire launcher enabled. Using hijacker. And I'm not having issues getting to SD card. You may need to turn write access on the SD card. I use FX Explorer app which has this function set. I also didn't disable fire keyboard.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Rortiz2:
Also dd if.

Regards.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] pieceofphil:
It asks me for writing permission and when I select the SD card this error appears.

Maybe the Dev knows what's up.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] miopet38:
Greeting!

I have Fire HD 10 (11th Gen) tablet with firmware v7.3.2.1 for a while, it still works wonder after using Fire Toolbox (v25.2) to disable OTA and most Amazon apps.

I presently use 256GB SD card as internal storage, but now want to replace it with 512GB or 1 TB in order to expand device storage.

My question are as follows:

1. what is the best way or steps to do about it? do I need to reset it on the HD 10 or via Toolbox?

2. what should I do to prevent Amazon auto updating it to the newest firmware?

3. Any ways to minimize or avoid manually re-instaliing all the apps currently on the 256GB card to the new card?

Thanks in advance for your expert advices from the worderfull forums!
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Troglerdiet:
Hi, thanks for trying to help me.

2 questions if that is ok, with the first fire tablet, I connected to my home wifi, but with the 2nd, I usewd a hotspot from my phone, is it possible that Amazon updated the 2nd iPad using my home wifi as connected to the first fire tablet because of the same Amazon account?

Seems a bit unethical to me, anyway, could I delete the 4th app now and install what I want from Aurore, or do I need to start again?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Tonymon1:
A special thanks to the toolkit developer. Question. What kind of command turns off auto updates? I assume it ultimately sets a bit value in memory. Is its location known? If the control option does not appear in 7.3.2.2 does the bit still reside in memory? Is there a way to directly edit this memory location? I realize that this may be a lot to ask, but it may be a different way to look at one of the problems.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
Hello! Welcome back to the Fire Toolbox community.

Check out the new FTB v29.0 Lots of improvements and features to try since the last time you installed.

Re: Upgrading microSD card as Internal Storage on Fire HD10 (2021, 11th Gen)

Good news : You won't have to do a factory reset. Most of your setup will remain the same.

Bad news : The process could be tedious and will take time

Basically you're looking at is a data "backup + restore" process ... move data off the old card, install the new card, move the data back. Easy in concept, harder to execute.

Let's start with Amazon's general information on SDcard management.

"Tips for Using a microSD Card with Your Fire Tablet"

https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=GMRDCX9BUV3L7TKA

Note that once you remove SDcard formatted as internal storage, all the data is permanently lost and can't be recovered, so the idea is to transfer a much data off the card as possible, with the minimum of effort and disruption.

The process should be to move Images, media and documents off the tablet first to free up as much internal storage as possible .That's straight forward. Moving apps and app data is more difficult and depends on how you installed the app; we're concerned with the apps you installed to the SDcard. What you want to do is to move as many apps and app settings from the SDcard back to internal storage as possible; those that can't be moved will be lost and have to be reinstalled and reconfigured. Part of the tedium is manually determining which apps are installed on internal storage and which app were installed to the SDcard.

Moving data on and off the tablet using USB2.0 will be slow, so be prepared to wait.

That's the general process. Ask more questions . Let us know how is works.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] miopet38:
Thanks Jumbo100 for your advice. I use my Fire HD 10 as a game pad, so most of my data are game roms and some mp3 music. This was what I afraid of there must be a very tedious jobs, since most of the game roms are pretty huge files.

One question I have is when you said "data backup + restore" process, does it mean you do this process within the Fire Toolbox?

Thanks again for your help.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Jumbo100:
File backup is kind of outside of the territory of Fire Toolbox ... I was thinking of manual "brute force". (LOL)

Most Android devices have their own propriety backup software ... Fire tablets essentially have none; even backup fo their own content is pretty weak. There is generic backup software for Android, bur I haven't recommended any since I don't know how reliably they run on FireOS.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Amandaville:
I needed to remove a Google account so I clicked on Google Services (Manage), then Manage Accounts. I received an error that suggested I try clearing the data/cache for Play Services or uninstalling and reinstalling Play Services. Clearing the data/cache did not help, so I uninstalled Play Services. But now I don't see an option in Fire Toolbox to Reinstall Play Services. It only has options to Add Account, Manage Accounts, Clear Data/Cache, Uninstall Play Services and Disable Automatic Updates. I rebooted the tablet and tried again but no change. I'm lost as to how to proceed.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] sparker781:
okay I replaced the launcher but I still have the For You Home and Library. When I try and set the Nova Launcher as the default....I don't even have that option
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] nexus7x:
Hi,

I have an Amazon Fire 7 tablet with the following specs:

7" screen 2 GB RAM with 16GB internal storage version. Released 2022 (12th gen?). Running Fire OS 8 based on Android 11. Quad-core 2.0 GHz.

Reading the Fire Toolbox notes on https://xdaforums.com/t/windows-tool-fire-toolbox-v29-0.3889604/ it states that: "some functions of the Toolbox may not work [on this tablet] due to new restrictions in the new firmware. The following tools either do not work or have limited functionality:

• OTA Updates - OTAs can no longer be disabled.

• Manage Amazon Apps - Some system apps can no longer be disabled.

We're looking into workarounds to the issues detailed above. Please keep an eye on the forum for further development."

Would I be better off:

1) Using Fire Toolbox now, to remove as much of the Amazon crippling as possible and continually check for updates to Fire Toolbox to complete the job.

or

2) Delay using Fire Toolbox and use the tablet as it is now and wait for Fire Toolbox developers to release a version that works with this tablet?

3) Or maybe the developers have no plan to update Fire Toolbox for this later tablet so it's stuck as it is?

Thanks in advance for any advice/help.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] chrbar:
Hello! Does someone has run a "reset to factory defaults" on a Fire HD 10 (11th Gen)?

Will this restore the Fire OS native version (or just remove data/settings on the current Fire OS version)?

My objective is to disable OTA updates by restarting Fire Toolbox process from scratch.

Thanks for your help.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] jz3:
Just wanted drop in and give a big thanks for the time and effort you put into this! I picked-up a Fire HD 10 (2019) refurbished (like new) from Woot with 7.3.2.1 on it and your tool kit worked flawlessly. I can't believe how speedy it is after a complete de-bloat!
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
Amazon's default behavior is to save all your wifi passwords in your Amazon account and share them with all your logged-in devices. This would allow it to share your wifi password with your second tablet. You have to go into your Amazon account to shut this behavior off.

As for the method of using Aurora and Google, what I was thinking of is what @drovan posted here.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
Hi, and welcome to XDA!

The ADB command that turns off OTA Updates is (from an ADB shell):

pm disable-user --user 0 com.amazon.device.software.ota
pm disable-user --user 0 com.amazon.kindle.otter.oobe.forced.ota
pm disable-user --user 0 com.amazon.device.software.ota.override

(There are 3 apps to disable.) Toolbox already attempts this and if Toolbox doesn't succeed, then it will also fail using an ADB shell, but you're welcome to try.(y)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
Because of the way FireOS doesn't include all the user management utilities of Android, I believe the only way to actually remove a user from a Google account on a Fire tablet is with a factory reset. I know that's not what you want to hear. :confused:
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
That option is not available on > v7.3.2.1 firmware. The Custom Navbar Button replacement method doesn't actually replace the launcher. It replaces the Home button with a button that's mapped to the launcher you chose. On first boot, it will come up with the Amazon launcher until you press the Home button once. That will trigger your preferred launcher. Also, the "Clear All" option on the Recents list will return you to the Amazon launcher, so if you use it, you'll have to hit the Home button again.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
Hi, and welcome to XDA!

Go ahead and use Toolbox now as it's the best we've got to get around the Amazon restrictions on their tablets.

There's only 1 developer - Datastream33. He's made great strides already on the new firmware and there will likely be other advances in Toolbox in the future. If some better options become available, he'll be sure to let everyone know and I'm sure that anything that has to be removed before a better option is employed will be mentioned or even automated. You can run Toolbox more than once to modify your changes at any time.

Plans to update will be made when new options are discovered or are made available, or when a new feature is implemented.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
Hi, and welcome to XDA!

A factory reset will restore the tablet to the way you got it originally. Be careful if you do that because OTA updates will once again be turned on and you'll have to bypass setup to run Toolbox without Wifi being on so that it won't update before you can run Toolbox. :)

Edit: If your tablet was updated since you had it, it will be returned to that version (not the original version) of the fimware. Firmware updates are NOT reversible.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Tonymon1:
Thank you. There would be several steps in this. Unfortunately, this is beyond my ability. The next step would be to identify the actual changes in memory made by each of these commands, and then if there is a way to change them directly. Unfortunately, the locations may be version specific.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Amandaville:
At this point I'm less interested in removing the Google account than I am in getting Google Services back. I followed the popup message to remove and reinstall Google Services but after uninstalling Google Services, I'm not seeing a menu item to reinstall Google Services. How do I get Google Services back without a factory reset?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
That all depends on how you uninstalled Google Services. Did you do it via Toolbox or did you uninstall from the tablet itself? You'll probably have to uninstall via Toolbox to reinstall that way.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] nexus7x:
Thanks blaacksheep for your reply. Much appreciated.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Amandaville:
My apologies, I thought my initial post was clear that I used Toolbox for all operations. I wouldn't even know how to begin to do these things manually. In fact I would never have even considered removing Play Services if Toolbox hadn't suggested I do so in the popup dialog box. It made it sound like a very simple process but now I'm stuck and need help.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Amandaville:
I'll try again to explain this with screenshots for clarity.

It seemed to me that the option to Manage Accounts under Manage Google Services was the sensible place to start if I wanted to remove a Google account.

That resulted in the following error.

So I followed the instructions in the above error popup and tried clearing the data/cache for Play Services but that had no effect. I was a little hesitant to uninstall Play Services but I was lured into a false sense of security because "why would the popup tell me to do it if it was dangerous?".

Unfortunately after uninstalling Play Services, I do not have a menu item to reinstall Play Services. According to the last line of this screenshot, it seems to be detecting a version 22.16.13 installed even though I already Executed the Uninstall. I executed the uninstall a second time just for good measure but it didn't seem to change anything.

Google Play Store is definitely no longer on the tablet. How do I proceed to get Google Services back on my tablet?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Wiz:
I actually prefer to keep Google Play services on my Fire HD 10 Plus. Reason for that is the fact that I primarily use the Fire tablet as Streamer console to my DAC/AMP.. I need USB Audio Player Pro for that, which relies on the Play Store for its licensing...
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] blaacksheep:
It seems it is NOT uninstalled like it says it is. Hmm. Let's try manually doing it.

In Toolbox, go to Manage Amazon Apps > Manual tab > Advanced > User Apps tab. It will take a little while to fill. Select all of the following Google apps that are there.

Now click the tab in the upper-right that says "Uninstall Selected". That should remove the remains of Google Services. I don't know if a reboot is required on either the tablet or the computer, but it couldn't hurt.

Try once again to install Google Services and let us know how it goes. :)
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] sparker781:
I figured that part out. Now my Playstore is no longer responding. IS there anything to do about that? Like just fails when trying to open the Playstore.
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] daz40:
Hi everyone Hoping I could get some help as I've just brought my daughter a fire 7 tablet 2022

12th gen its on fire 0s 8.3.1.2. . Reading through the forum seems this may be a bad thing??

So I installed play services the old way downloading files and installing, this worked ok for a few days.

then it would not load playstore or any games downloaded.

I then found out about fire toolbox. reset the tablet back to factory reset, then used toolbox to install google services, and playstore still will not start . Is there something I am doing wrong ??

My other Daughter has a 2017/18 model I installed playstore on there and never had any issues

Thanks guys "Confused"?
[Fire HD 8 and HD 10 Android Development] Amandaville:
This is what was in there:

I removed:

google

google assistant launcher

google contacts sync

photos

drive

duo/meet

voice

translate

files by google

gboard

contacts

calendar

youtube

This is what it looked like after removing everything Google that I could find:

And this is the Manage Google Services screen afterwards:

I still don't have an Install Play Services Option.