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[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] Deleted member 7436581:
By now I'm sure most of us have seen that idiotic hole that Samsung are using on the next S phone. It seems highly likely that the next Note device will also have this stupid hole in the display. So I'm wondering how many of us Note 9 users here will remain on this Note 9 because of the hole or as they call it, "Inifinity-O" or "O-I can't believe they're doing this stupid thing™" Are you getting the next Note with a hole in the display or staying on the Note 9?

I wish they would have been strong enough to ignore calls from idiots who thought the top bezels on Samsung's flagships were too thick. The S9/9+ and Note 9 have shown everyone how classy and refined bezels can appear, with some room to shrink a bit further. You need SOME top bezel to house various sensors. You don't need a bottom bezel. Maybe my OCD is just too strong to ignore that stupid hole in the display but it's that hole that's going to keep me away from the next Note device. I doubt they'll introduce any other features that will break my mind and make me want to upgrade and be great enough to make me ignore that hole.

I'm buying the 512GB Exynos Note 9 as soon as I can. That will hold me over for at least through the fall of 2020. I just hope by next year Samsung will gives us that under-display sensor tech so we can just have an unobstructed display. Nothing cutting into the screen but a clear surface. Like it should be.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] raul6:
Just that won't dissuade me from getting a new Note if decide to change current one.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] ekerbuddyeker:
Why don't you wait and see what they do instead of speculating.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] galaxys:
Yep, very hard to say what's next for the Note... Hopefully it will have a drone setting :D :cool:
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] Deleted member 7436581:
Nothing wrong with speculating on what smartphone makers may do. It's an innocuous activity. But I do think Samsung are gonna go full steam with this Infinity-O display so it's a bit difficult for me to see why the next Note won't be sporting it.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] Limeybastard:
Well it sure ain't a glory hole lol.

I would have have preferred none to be honest. Failing that something small like the Huawei Pro X small notch would have been acceptable.

You still haven't got a note 9,?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] Jammol:
They should just put a screen on the back of the Note 10 for selfies. I'll be okay with that. And still let us utilize the Spen back there too.

I don't even remember the last time I took a selfie, lol. I remember when the world thought it was weird to put a camera on a cellphone.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] Limeybastard:
I stopped taking selfies when I turned obeast, circa S7 edge .
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] galaxys:
I might start saving for this rumored S10-X badboy! :D :cool:
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] KOLIOSIS:
I would bet $$$ that this variant of the S10,if it ever sees the light of day,will not be available until a good while after launch.

If it's not even mentioned next month,I'd guess the uber-specs will end up on the Note 10 instead.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] Deleted member 7436581:
[MENTION=3512846]KOLIOSIS[/MENTION] put it nicely. Sitting this next iteration out if the display is intruded upon. Which is another bit of Samsung irony because they spent a lot of time poking fun at Apple with those battery ads showing iPhone users camped out near power outlets at the airport whilst a Samsung user simply swapped out his battery on his phone and continued on smartly. A great way to show the practical features of a phone, which traditionally Samsung's ad folks have been great at.

https://youtu.be/0hIoyb9L5g0

But then the S6 and Note 5 arrived and those battery ads quickly became moot. Then they started mocking Apple's notch.

And now they've come up with something that's arguably worse than the notch. Just my two cents on it, which are valued much less than [MENTION=3512846]KOLIOSIS[/MENTION]
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] iceepyon:
I hope that this fad of having an hole in the display for the front facing camera would be gone when I decide to upgrade from my Note 8. As I hate the idea of having a hole in the display of my device for the front facing camera.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] Deleted member 7436581:
Little doubt that this hole will not be on the next Note phone.

Source: https://news.samsung.com/global/samsung-introduces-new-ultra-slim-20mp-isocell-image-sensor-for-full-screen-display-smartphones

I rather the Note 10 (or whatever they call it) to have a teardrop notch like on their Galaxy M phones than a hole in the display.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] iceepyon:
I was hoping that Samsung would keep the current Infinity Display design on the Note series of devices. As I prefer that to having a notch or a hole in the display...
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] Deleted member 7436581:
This makes me wonder about something: the notification light. Is this Infinity-O display going to kill it? Are the next 10 models going to retain the notification light?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] Deleted member 7436581:
You prefer having a notch or hole in the display instead of just a smooth line of thin bezel like on the Note 9? You want something to distort the display's physical aesthetics?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] KOLIOSIS:
There's plenty of room for one,whether it's in the punch hole,or,as I've seen on a few phones,embedded in the speaker cut-out.

Whether Samsung chooses to keep it in any form is anybody's guess at this point.

I think the quote you cited meant they'd wish Samsung would keep the status quo on the display as it exists on the Note 9.

At 1st,I read it exactly as you did,I had to go back over it a few times to get the gist.............
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] Deleted member 7436581:
You're right.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] iceepyon:
No I said that I prefer the current Inifinity Display design, which is the current display with the very small bezel. Not the notch or hole display.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] :
It's such an elegant design. The only reason I see them doing this hole thing is just to be different for the sake of being different and nothing more.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] kta:
I was waiting for the S10 to upgrade from the S7 Edge. As soon as it was confirmed that it will indeed have a hole in the screen, I just got the Note 9 instead. The hole or notch kind of breaks the easthatic symmetry, and that's a deal breaker for me.

Plus, it's pretty clear from Samsung that this is only a temporary solution until they refine the sensor to sit completely behind the screen. That would probably be the S11, Note 11 or whatever they may call them [emoji846]
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] bober10113:
they should do a long notification bar spanning the top of the device.1 or 2 mm line of leds. could be used anything from battery %, regular notifications, volume level etc.. when using the phone in low light, could help with face unlocking. pretty sure they can cram a small pin hole camera in the same area. no need to cut out the damn screen...
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] :
That... is such a great idea! Wow, I never considered something like that. It's so simple yet brilliant!
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] bober10113:
then modders could hack it and display cpu and or memory usage, again as a meter/gauge. if the camera is in the middle than you could have one set of dynamic leds acting as a fuel bar on the left while on the right you can keep regular notifications.

when listening to music there could be some sort of visual feedback whether it may be related decibels or frequency or just crazy dynamic flowing colors.

i had a logitech keyboard that had that. they gave the up the api code and you could get a plugin to have all the keys change colors dynamically with the music. kinda like the milk drop plugins on good ol winamp.

so if they can cram as much leds as possible so to be able to reproduce multiple colors and get a dynamic bar and have the light bleed through some sort of fiber optics to give it a soft flowing glow...:

http://agoeu.com/side-glow-solid-core-fiber-optic-cable-sold-by-spool.html

lol in the end its almost how screens are made hah. might as well just have the screen cover the whole phone and have a hole in the middle. but just make the damn phone display image STOP right underneath the camera. then use each side as notification real estate where you can basically use the screen to your liking maybe give users a dev kit or something...or like an addition to the theme store where you can choose from customized options.

and again 2 mm is nothing but just enough for a camera so its almost bezel less.

have you guys seen the new iphones side bezels? lol you can fit a couple of dimes and a quarter in there. looks like a toy or mack up of a phone.

anyways pretty sure people on the upcoming s10 will just hack the resolution and just find a way to crop it or something. samsung phones are tall enough. wouldint hurt to have the image appear wider...
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] :
Yes, the recent Samsung flagship displays are just TALL. With a Note device, it needs to be more wider. You're writing down stuff on a display. It should be wider.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] jimd1050:
I like this part of your idea a lot!
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] :
I'll bet good money this is what our Note 10 will look like. Can you look past that hole?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] KOLIOSIS:
No.

2020 & the Note 11 is the soonest for me,if they drop the notchole nonsense.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] galaxys:
No notch or holes for me! I couldn't stand the ridiculous notches on the Pixel XL 3 and the OnePlus 6T. That's why I switched to the Note 9...
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] harryo604:
What wallpaper is that from ?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] zaptoons:
I will not be buying any phone with stupid notches and holes in the display. Technology has already moved on from that backward step, so why would I pay good money for crap that's going to be even more laughable in the near future, than it is now? If a phone has to have a complete edge to edge display- either have a slide up feature for the dumb selfie cam, keep reasonable top and bottom bezels such as the Note 8-9, or put a selfie screen on the back so the main camera can be used for dumb selfies as well. But I personally won't own a device with that lousy notch or hole or what looks like a broken spot in the screen just for what's essentially a vanity feature that already relies on compromises.

If Samsung goes 'full Apple' with the next Note (notches, no headphone jack, lack of SD, any combo of these), I'll be sticking with my Note 9 or finally switching to another brand. My hope is, they realize what makes the Note greater than most other smartphones and stick with it.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] :
I think the headphone jack and Micro SD support is safe for now but yeah, the hole is coming. I have a family, I have friends, I'm loved but I cannot remember the last time I've used the front-facing camera. I think there's many of us who would be perfectly happy without a front-facing camera. We just don't need it.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] cowboyaryk:
If there’s a hole or notch, I’m stayin on my note9... these holes and notches are terrible
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] bat0nas:
What's the problem with the hole?

Sorry but I am not getting it?

Big bezel less screen is all we wanted for like 10 years. Hoke will blend into notifications area.

So what is all rage is about?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] KOLIOSIS:
Note 9: Full Screen, no obstruction.

Note10: Full Screen, obstructed view (due to the cutout) & a reduced status/notification area.

Any way you want to spin it, this is an incomplete work in progress.

Why not wait until the tech progresses to the point where there isn't a notch or hole punch.......
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] Schumi-GP:
+1
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] Guyinlaca:
I don't see why they didn't just center the cutout. It could neatly hide behind a dark status bar without impeding the icons.

It will look very strange having the battery and signal icons pushed so far to the left.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] oasisman21:
The cutout should be in the centre if they really want to have it. This race to bezelless is ridiculous in my opinion. I am super happy with note 9 bezel size. Just wished they'd make a flat screen version. Curved edges are not practical.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] :
Yup, the curved edges suck. This is why the Pixel 3XL is my daily driver now. I don't mind the cut out so much because it's in the notification area but centered would be better.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] nuclearrage:
I will not by the next note if it has a notch or a hole in the screen. If the following note has the same I will find a phone with out a notch-hole to use. Headphone Jack is the other deal breaker for me.

I would rather then return to a flat screen that you can use a tgsp on and a little heftier or thicker to allow for battery. I use the edge features, just dont need a curved screen for it. Like someone else said even a note active would be nice.

JUST NO STUPID NOTCH-HOLE!!
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] zaptoons:
Agree. I can see the argument though that even professionals (Note users more so than with the s-series) may want a selfie camera for video conferencing- skype and such, more than just the teenage-girl 'selfie' shots.

Still, better technical solutions to this exist already and since Samsung isn't a mom and pop operation, they should be able to engineer a better solution than a stupid hole in the screen.

The honor magic, for example, has a panel that slides up from the back with camera and sensors:

I also wouldn't mind a camera that pops up from inside the phone- preferably with a manual mechanism so there's no motorized parts to break:

Turn your note upside down and pop out the S-pen. Now just imagine that was a selfie camera instead, and you can imagine how it'd work.

These are solutions that are far more future-thinking than stupid holes and notches, which is just sheer laziness from a design standpoint. Apple gets away with lazy, backward design because their fans will put up with virtually anything. Watching a friend try to watch a movie on his iPhone X the other day- with the notch creating idiotic black bars on the side, wasting MORE screen real-estate than thin bezels would have- just proved to me how dumb the whole 'make believe' edge-to-edge design is, when in actual practice it wastes more screen real estate than any gain of the dumb notch. And the other solution is no better- I never want to watch/play content with the notch space cut out of it! Imagine on your wide screen TV- even a few dead pixels missing on the screen can mar the experience. Now imagine a gigantic stupid NOTCH hanging off the side that cuts into the display, or even a dumb hole missing. No one in their right mind would want that, and I don't see how it's any more desirable on a phone.

Better solutions to notches and holes already exist from far smaller companies than Samsung, so if they fall back on the same laziness rather than incorporate a better design into the Note 10 (or better yet, just leave logical top/bottom bezel on it) then I for one won't be handing them my money. I see no need to pay for steps backward, not forward.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] cowboyaryk:
Watch a full screen video or show a full screen photo with a notch or hole in the corner... say what you will, NOBODY would like that

It’s not only about the notification area
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] bober10113:
just put the camera on the bottom of the spen or something and move it to the top of the phone. press the spen to make it pop open and use as selfie cam. remove it to use the pen as usual or to have a wireless cam! lol just dont loose it.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] :
I think this hole in display is just a single iteration solution until we get under-display sensors hopefully next year. Which is why I'm just gonna stay with the Note 9 until then. Hopefully by fall of 2020 we will have that under-display sensor so that our displays can be aesthetically complete once more.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] bober10113:
problem why there is such a big cut out for the camera is light bleeding generated by the screen. that's why on the back of the phone the led is spaced the way it is. any closer you'd have bad pictures. infact some users have reported this very issue on the top of they picture when taking pictures with the flash in night time.

what could be done if ever they do place the camera under visible screen is momentarily turn off the oled pixels around the sensor wile cam is active. once camera app off restore pixel power and no more notch/hole. samsung is already doing this on their oleds for true black colors...so shouldn't be hard to implement it this way.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] :
This is another reason why this hole is so stupid. They have the capabilities but they can't or unwilling to bring it to this year's iterations, so hole in the display to try and stand out and give users a reason to upgrade.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] bober10113:
fingerprint sensor under the screen is 'enough' for this iteration lol
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] KOLIOSIS:
They could do that w/o the hole punch, but, they won't.

Samsung wants to have something visually different for the 10th anniversary edition, good, bad, or indifferent.

Too bad the timing/tech hasn't (seemingly) evolved yet to skip the hole punch.

If not for the 10 year mark, I think Samsung would skip the nonsense of the hole punch.

If one uses the FPR extensively, I understand why one would choose the Note 10 after Samsung abandoned the frontside FPR w/the Note 8.

Two iterations of the line without it & it's making a comeback, totally understandable for someone to jump in.

Too bad the hole punch is tagging along for the ride.....
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] jpbl1976:
My impression of notches and cut-outs is that they're stop-gaps ahead of component miniaturization. I anticipate that the front-facing cameras will get smaller with no loss of image quality or functionality sometime soon. If I recall correctly, some developments along this line were already in motion at the time the iPhone X was released.

It could even be the selling point for the iPhone 12, with Apple giving it symmetrical bezels.

At that point, given how Android OEMs like to take design cues from Apple, the design game might be whichever Android OEM can shrink its handsets' "chins" the most to achieve symmetrical perfection.

One other possibility is foldable phones change the way we use our handhelds and the selfie cams are tucked away in a folded portion until needed.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] shoeprano27:
nothing spectacular. think ill stick to my note 9. or possibly jump ship to huawei mate 20 pro.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] bober10113:
some bastard stole my idea:

https://bgr.com/2019/02/06/galaxy-note-10-vs-galaxy-s10-samsungs-new-design-for-note-phones/
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] pigglett:
That patent was filed in 2016 doubtful it will happen
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] TheReal V:
Are you really buying a ''new'' phone every year ?
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] Phazonclash:
Judging by the S9+ Vs S10 +, I don't expect the Note 10 to be a world changer vs the Note 9. I'll probably keep my Note 9 and wait for the Note 11 or Pixel 5 XL.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] bober10113:
https://www.iphoneincanada.ca/news/galaxy-s10-vs-iphone-xs-xr-battery-test/
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] K-alz:
It's almost been confirmed that the note 10 will have that ugly permanent stain (punch hole). It was found in the source code of the S10. This definitely will deter me from getting the next note. I don't mind bezels at all. Youtubers are ruining everything in the industry. When you have access to every phone on earth, you start getting picky and spoiled then start coming up with dumb demands. They have millions of subs and manufacturers have to listen to them because they're "influencers". I'll just hold on to my note 9 until something else comes up. Hell, I might even jump ships to another manufacturer if I had to. I can't stand any intrusion on my screen.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] bober10113:
id like to punch those holes
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] K-alz:
My last hope is Nokia and Chinese phones that don't come with those intrusions.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] :
Admittingly, yes. As do millions of other people. So it's not uncommon. It's rather a typical thing to do. Not to suggest that it is right for everyone. I think it is more sensible to keep devices for longer because it can reduce waste and people generally do not "NEED" new phones every year. For me, it is more that I simply "WANT" a new phone because mobile tech stuff can be quite addicting for me.

But since Samsung and Google are hellbent on restricting more and more features with their current and future OS updates, it seems that I will be keeping my Note 9 (Oreo) for much, much longer. And also, to buy only Exynos phones from now on because root has become vital once more.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] Nastrahl:
What I wonder is why people are obnoxiously judgemental.

It won't prevent me to get a note 10.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] Venom0642:
The little hole camera doesn't bother me, So once the Note10 comes out will get 2 of them trade in both my S9 Plus for The Note10, For the meantime i will keep using my Note9, Btw i have 2 S10 As well, the little hole is nothing like thoses big notches you see on those other devices.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] bober10113:
on the regular s10 yeah its almost unnoticeable. on the s10+... im kind of on the fence about it... its seems pretty big.

if they found a way to have just one hole in the note 10 and cram the other sensors near the ear peice then i think I'd upgrade.

but better yet no holes...lol
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] Venom0642:
Actually one is a S10E and S10 Plus, and i end it up back on my Note9 lol. S10E my Wife has.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] BladeRunner:
I own(ed) an S10+. I didn't mind the cutout too much. It just wasn't as obtrusive in everyday use as one might think. I liked the form factor of the S10+. Slightly smaller/thinner than the Note 9 but with the same size screen and slightly larger battery. I did NOT like the in display FP sensor. Hopefully that is improved on with the Note 10. The FP sensor on the Note 9 would sometimes not recognize me and the S10+ was much worse, and the lack of a secure facelock on the S10+ was irritating. Hopefully that will improve on the Note 10 as well. In the meantime the S10+ is going back and I'm back to the Note 9.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] Limeybastard:
Youtubers are indeed ruining it ,but not for the reasons you stated. The popular channels get their free devices for favourable YouTube reviews.
[Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers] bober10113:
youtube is hooked up to the sewers.

they should call it sewertube. that way we wouldint be surprised at what comes out of there.