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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] perdurabo2:
Uhm, you must be smoking crack.

1. The iPhone's display is both crisper (dots per inch and resolution) and larger. It's larger with more pixel density at the same time.

Additionally, the iPhone has proper video drivers (omgwtf!!). You'd have to be on crack to say the Kaiser is better at this.

2. The iPhone has a faster processor, faster ram chips, faster flash chips, and a faster video card.

3. The iPhone has a better touch interface. One, it has a capacitive touch screen, and two it was designed from the ground up with finger/touch in mind. All of the current Windows Mobile options (largely from HTC) are retrofitted.

4. The camera, ok, well this is one area you're right. The iPhone's camera is pitiful and the Kaiser's rocks. The iPhone's is a cheap little piece of crap 2 megapixel camera with no autofocus. Lame.

5. iPhone 2.0 will have Exchange ActiveSync in June. It currently works very well on the leaked betas.

6. The next iteration of the iPhone in June will most probably include a 32gb model, as well. And the iPhone uses fast flash chips.

7. The iPhone is almost half as thin as the Kaiser

8. The iPhone has a much better web browser.

9. If this story is actually true, and your colleague was really "visibly shaken", I suggest you two go out and ride a bike, enjoy the sun, and get laid.

If you're going to crack on the iPhone, crack on it for legitimate (and true) reasons, such as not having GPS functionality, a ****ty on-screen keyboard, having a ****ty camera, being a closed platform, not 3G (yet), having crappy sync support (no notes, tasks, etc), not having an analog to the awesome Live Search software, no mobile office apps, etc.

The iPhone shines at what it does, and the Kaiser can't compare in its arena. The Kaiser shines at what it does (and is overall more useful imho), and the iPhone can't compare in its arena.

I see them targeted at different markets, currently. That may change a little with the iPhone 2.0, but for now they're apples and oranges (pun intended). Love each for their strengths, but don't just make **** up.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] godfa7h3r:
The only thing my iphone buddies have on me is a better web browser. That's IT.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] JimmyMcGee:
Apples and Oranges.

You Guys are comparing two different Areas. The Kaiser is enthusiasts and business users, like IT and Smart Management. While the iPhone is for trendy personal use and it's kind of being shoe-horned into Business use. Though clearly not so well. Office Mobile v. umm...... Food Network Recipes! Is just one example. Yes, yes the iPhone is going to be Exchange Sync-able but still.

Also, important to note. I've been able to make an iPhone lock up a bunch of times. I guess I'm too used to my Kaiser.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mchapman007:
iPhone this, Tilt that!

Unlike most iPhone users that I have seen or heard, I don't go around bragging about how special my Tilt is and flashing it at every passerby! So I guess when I go and buy a Echo Friendly Hybrid SUV, I'll add the iPhone to complete my all around smugness attitude. We all have our opinions about this and this one is mine......
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] JimmyMcGee:
Thats true. I don't try and Ace people with my Tilt. And the Hybrid owners offset their SMOG savings by SMUG emissions.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] perdurabo2:
The iPhone, for better or worse, is a wow kind of device because it presents a bunch of new concepts in a production mobile phone. My non-techy relatives were really wowed by Coverflow scrolling and all the GUI candy, for example.

Perhaps it's because the Tilt isn't really a wow kind of device. Rather, it just functions really well at what it does. Ok ok, the GPS functionality and camera really wowed me :)

You can see the iPhone's influence in a lot of areas of the Windows Mobile area. It seems like every ROM ricer is trying to insert iPhone-like software and hacks into their OS. Personally, I'm not a fan of making WM more like the iPhone.

Apples and Oranges.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] surur:
Use the leak Opera Mobile 9.5 cab, and they wont even have that.

Surur
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] JimmyMcGee:
I don't exactly agree with this. This stuff existed before the iPhone, just like there were MP3 Players before the iPod.

Wow or Not. I wow iPhone users when I slide out the keyboard to text.

One thing Apple does get right is design and "eye-candy" and since everyone is hypnotized by it, why not pretty up WM devices?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] hambola:
The iPhone is a slick device, I gotta give it that. However it just has way too many limitations. Here are things my Cruise has over the iPhone

-3 megapixel camera that actually takes video

-2nd camera for video calls

-stereo bluetooth

-internal GPS chip

-3G

-removable battery / removable storage

there are tons of other little things here and there such as copy paste, XDA forums, FM radio (Cruise only I think), exchange sync, blackberry connect (only on Kaiser can't get this to work on Cruise) etc.

There are also combinations of things, such as 3G with bluetooth, which allows you to tether your laptop with bluetooth and use a fast 3G network. This is huge, I tested 3G speeds vs an iPhone the other day, iPhone got about 114kbits/sec, I had about 873kbits/sec, almost 8 times the speed. Also as a previous poster said, Opera 9.5 is a great browser even though it's still in beta.

In the end everyone will get the device that works for them or makes them happy. The fact of the matter is the WM6/HTC combo is not for most users, the way the iPhone is. That's why the iPhone has massive appeal and is proving it through sales. It might not be that great of a device, but it is generally good and slick enough that people buy it. Meanwhile most of us have had to hack the registry & flash ROMs, stuff I don't expect the mainstream population to do. Furthermore the iPhone has been innovative in the sense that it brought several features that existed in other phones and put them together. Having an accelerometer in the phone is not a new thing, a phone that plays music is not a new thing but they packaged it all well together. The interface to the iPhone is intuitive, unlike a WM device. I fault Microsoft for a lot of this. A company that I feel has lost it's edge in innovation in many areas of their business. PIE is a POS. that thing looks so outdated. WM6 itself is outdated looking. Anyways at least they got the message and want to fix that in WM7 and beyond. About time, but it took something like an iPhone to wake them up.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] afro_thunder:
I cant understand why everybody seems to hate iphones touch keyboard. I own a tilt and an ipod touch, and my ipod's keyboard inputs less mistakes than my tilt's physical keypad! Now I'm no apple fb, but As a fat-fingered man, I prefer apple's touch keyboard over any given mobile keyboard. Apples doesnt take up the whole screen, and rarely gives me errors (except when im drunk)

Tilt's keyboard is nice cause it's truely tangible, but I constantly have the double key problem and pcm keyboard takes 60percent of my screen.

Apple mobile devices are beautiful in their software only.

The tilt is beautiful in its hardware only (as well as many htc devices)

Why cant we make something inbetween?

The Tilt is too user unfriendly (im typing this with my tilt and ive already picked up annoying autocorrect errors), and iphone lacks hardware specs to have as much compatability (i.e. third party apps.)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] TommyCP:
This can be solved by playing a bit with the registry. Go to "HKCU\control panel\keybd" and try lowering the InitialDelay key. On my MDA Vario III, I prefer to have it set to 300.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] godfa7h3r:
WM7 will be a breath of fresh air to our devices and the Windows Mobile platform. From the sounds of it, WM7 will steal that WOW factor away from the iPhone. The awesome thing about it is that we will not have to buy new devices to gain that experience. Our current devices will be upgradable to WM7. It finally sounds like Microsoft will be gaining back their innovation that I agree they have lost. WM is longing for a facelift and I'm hoping WM7 will actually deliver.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] aberz:
You sir just own the post of the week.

Sorry for being rude, but anyone who start "apple vs orange" business deserve a Chuck's round house kick in the nuts.

Btw , starting this thread on Kaiser forum is just like stroking your epeen. How about you go to Iphone forum and post it. At least I will give you credit for having some balls ( after the round house kick , of course )
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Sean D.:
And I say you must be hitting that same crack pipe.

Enough with the iphone what-if's, "yets" and gonna-have's. Fact is RIGHT NOW it doesn't have. A lot!

Fact is also that people who paid for the first one got ripped off because a new one with twice the memory came out within months of the initial release... so 'scuse me if I fail to be impressed with the list of "gonna have's".

For those that did buy it the first time, and are stupid enough to buy it again they will be damn near $1K in the tank for a cell phone that has less capabilities than my old Motorola V635.

iPhone is thinner... so what? it's bigger than a Kaiser in every other dimension,

iPhone has a better web browser... and? Sucks to be tied to only one. That ONE better be good if that's the only option.

You are right though, the iPhone does shine at doing what it does... being a VERY basic cell phone that is insanely over-priced for what it does/doesn't do.

Once again, sorry if I'm not impressed by the seemingly never-ending list of what it's going to do sometime soon. For $500 it's a piece of junk. Pretty junk, but junk none the less.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] greenbrd:
Nice. That may be the most hilarious posting I've ever seen on this board.

Kaiser Owner: "Hey iPhone users - what's better: the iPhone or the Kaiser?"

99.9999% of iPhone users: "What the hell is a Kaiser?"

All of these "my Tilt/Kaiser/TyTNII is better than an iPhone because..." posts just reek of penis envy.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] beta_boy:
Hey my 2 cents...

Seeing that we support over 600+ devices with Coreplayer Mobile.... I have come to believe that cell phones are like cars... theres one thats a right for every person. This tit-for-tat stuff about features in the end means nothing because how we each use our phone's capabilities, this then determines what we like as individuals.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] mchapman007:
Thank you, well said!!!! And my car (Tilt and Laptop) can't live with out CorePlayer.....
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] _Alex_:
Mine is the biggest!

Lol, seriously folks... I'm all good with some back and forth, but let's make sure we don't get nasty about it, or I'm going to let this guy peck at you, while the rooster just watches :eek:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] JimmyMcGee:
YAY! I get post of the week! YAAAAY!

I don't think anyone got the subtle Pun Who makes and Sells the iPhone? Apple. Who sells HTC devices re-branded for their service? Orange!

Also, I'm sure there are threads at the iPhone forums worshiping the iPhone v. other phones thank you.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] JimmyMcGee:
Wow that a pretty big ****.

Maybe I should of said rooster.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] aberz:
Why dont we start a thread " my girl friend is better than your mom ? "

it would be more fun cuz my girl friend can use core player but your mom cannot lol
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] JstarLuvsTina:
... ok so heres my view on the topic at hand...

i obviously own a tilt.. and my wife has the iphone ( so i can speak on both )

tilts avail web browsers arent so hot ( i love opera mini but .. ) 0

iphone has the best browser avail to date. ( yea it beats opera mini ) +1

tilt is sooo user freindly +1

iphone not so much 0

tilt allows 3rd party apps + at least 100 pts.

iphone i believe is in the process of implementing that - all points its gained!

tilt screen / keyboard / some buttons + 1

no buttons, but its light +2

so.. yea thats about it for me.. so in my eyes call me biased.. the 3rd party apps alone destroy the iphone.. but simple math shows the tilt rocks!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] JimmyMcGee:
Actually my mom can! So Ha!

Any way I prefer the Kaiser to the iPhone. Hence why I have a Tilt and not an iPhone. However, if someone buys an iPhone because it suits them, not because its trendy. More power to them.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] MACkjam:
Ummm...the only one smoking whatever here must be you, or you must be suffering from a lobotomy.

Have you actually SEEN an iPhone up close? I have...even fiddled around with it.

All that sparkles is not gold. Oh it may WOW lobotomised teenagers, but not me.

I am not interested in what it MAY have one day. It doesn't have it NOW. My TyTN II HAS IT NOW!!!

Kapish?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Toodeep:
GPS and 3G +2 for the tilt

I use GPS and 3g everyday its nice.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Apex i ITR:
I'm far from an apple fan boy (I hate MAC's and their arrogant staff at their apple stores) and i have been a huge fan of the WM phones (esp. by HTC). I have owned both the T-Mobile MDA and ATT 8525/Wizard, Dash, SDA, Samsung Blackjack to the now the AT&T Tilt.

I recieved an iPhone as a gift and decided to use it as a MP3 playr in the very least. I have my Tilt on my work cell phone account so I started using the iPhone on my T-Mo service.

As much as I hate to admit...the iPhone is way better then the Tilt IMHO. It just does everything easier. Surfing the web is so easy (the Pocket Opera and IE on the tilt is archaic in comparison), and don't get me started on the whole Qualcomm chip issue/Video performance on the phone (I work for Qualcomm too, go figure)

Honestly the only reason why I have both phones still is because I couldn't get my coporate email on my iPhone (unless I use webmail all the time). With the 2.0 update coming out with exchange/activesync functionality....my tilt's days are numbered.

Come June the Tilt is getting shelved (probably for good). I hate that, but I can't deny the iPhone and its abilities. Only thing I need is AD2P (Which is only a matter of time).

And I usually switch phones every 6 months. I've had a ton of Nokia's, Ericsson's etc. I am done searching...the only other phone I'll buy is the 3G version of the iPhone when it comes out (Which means my current one will be going up for sale).
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Apex i ITR:
Oh and you can take video with the iPhone

Also you can install different applications.

Once you jailbreak the iPhone which is now WAY easier then unlocking a tilt (3 different well known applications make it a one touch process). Once its jailbroken you can use it on any GSm provider and install a ton of 3rd party applications.

Like i said I like my Tilt and hated the iPhone for a lot of the reasons you all listed but after owning both for a few months..... iPhone is a better all aorund phone in my opinion and once the exchange functionality is officially released it will be a legitimate business use device.

Say what you want but just looking at one or playing with it for a while doesn't really qualify you to make an informed decision. I have been using both equally for at least the last 3 months and will continue to until June.....Then my Tilt will probably be sold or shelved until either WM7 comes out, the video driver issue is resolved or Android works flawlessly on it.

The cell tower location based feature on the iPhone works almost as good as the GPS function in the tilt (when it works anyway).
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] benfica88:
Bading!!!! This is why the iPhone is going to rip everything else a new asshole. Because it works and works properly!!! You guys have to realize we are a very small percentage of people who like messing around with our phones. The majority of consumers just want something that works. Make it flashy and you have a winner! I too have a tilt and after using an iPhone for a couple of weeks can't wait for the 3G.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] aberz:
"tilt is sooo user freindly +1

iphone not so much 0"

failed....

WM UI is the most complicated UI out there. Thats why we need today plugin and launcher to make it better.

On the other hand. EVERY SINGLE NOOB CAN USE I PHONE WITHIN 30 MINS. Here is the list of the noobs Ive seen using Iphone:

My gf 23 yo

My cousin ( a she ) 26 yo

Other cousins ( a she and a he ) 10 - 12 yo

My mom ( yep , she up to trend ) 47 yo

My aunt ( also up to trend ) 40 yo

and most of my friends..... around 20-30

Even my dog has and use a Iphone.

I this is not about popularity . I was there when the first had a hold on a iphone. 30 mins later, they use it without any problem. If I give them my tilt, they would cry.

I know you love your phone and being bias. but please, have a lil reasonable thought wouldnt kill your Kaiser leetness. You can envy your friend's gf, but dont deny her beauty cuz you may have a chance some day !!!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] bluchrome:
Thought I would chip in on this one, it's kind of a goodbye post too.

I've sold my TyTN II and grabbed myself an iPhone.

I got the TyTN for it's supposed rich multimedia experience and essentially the 'full internet' - I was let down badly on both fronts.

The iPhone's screen is pure quality. The touch interface with multi touch technology is far superior to the HTC offering.

Browsing is effortless, and even when browsing off Wifi on the EDGE network, the experience is still acceptable above that of the TyTN at 3G.

The only thing I miss from the TyTN is the GPS, but considering I sold the TyTN on eBay for £70 more than i paid for the new iPhone I've got some spare cash for a standalone unit.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] benfica88:
Ya, that's another thing...both my Tytn and iPhone side by side, the iPhone loaded most webpages faster! Over wifi it didn't even compare.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] kevinniven:
Come on!

Let me start by saying I have both an Iphone and the Kaiser. It is very easy to unlock the Iphone. Much quicker than the Kaiser! It takes about 45 seconds to unlock using ziphone. As far as comparing video on the Kaiser to video on the iphone, the iphone kicks the crap out of the Kaisers ability to play any multimedia file. I use my Kaiser daily for work, it’s just must better than the email on the iphone. I also use the GPS daily.

In June the iphone gets its update and will be more on par with the operating system on the WM6 devices. The current iphone is first an ipod and second a phone. The next generation iphone will be out in June and I think the tables will turn on Microsoft at that time. I’ve been playing with some of the new apps and they look incredible!!

All I can say is Microsoft better wake up and get with the program. Spend a day playing with the Iphone and you’ll see what I say is true. Lastly, its funny to me how people have such loyalty to a product they are not willing to even see that clear advantage a competitor’s product may have! I don’t drink the Kool-Aid, and I can see the forest through the trees. WAKE UP MICROSOFT!!!! I have a feeling that WM7 will be released soon:)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ajs007:
I think we should praise both units.

Without the iPhone, WM users wouldn't have a 'desired GUI' goal.

Without Apple, Windows would be a 'boxy' and cumbersome OS.

Without the Kaiser, the iPhone wouldn't aspire to have built in 3G and GPS.

I for one am thankful for the competitive nature of Microsoft and Apple.

Because without each trying to outdo the other, we the consumer, would not see the benefits of this healthy competition in our user experience.

However, that said, I'm looking forward to getting Google's Android which will trump both :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Algus Helm:
If our kaiser had the dual touch like iPhone has it will be unbeatable
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] sorted69:
The 1 thing I have noticed people say the most between the 2 is that the screen is bigger on the iphone.

That factor alone will probably pull people, it looks much much nicer.

I think the next round of iphone/htc devices should be pretty interesting.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Isaygarcia:
iPhone.... Kaise ... :S....

ok ok...

i should say..

Kaiser With Android... :)

or..

iPhone with Android !! :)

multitouch is great but i cant write ... so i cant take notes .. and writing with the virtual keyboard is pretty slow...

i can type/write/draw faster with the kaiser..

the only thing that kaiser needs is the proper video acceleration

with this the kaiser will be unbeatable !!

:)

(with proper 3d and a/many 32Go microSD card/s )
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] JayIV:
Where can these tens of thousands of games and apps that you can install and uninstall at will be found?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DarkDvr:
i call this WTFPWNED
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Cavey.co.uk:
I can do pretty much anything on the Kaiser that a friend can do on his iPhone.

Opera Mini (and soon mobile 9.5) vs Safari is fairly even.

S2P, HTC Audio Manager, WMP etc... vs iTunes is fairly even

My Kaiser came unlocked (from O2) and 3rd party modifyable, my friends iPhone required him to void the warranty.

The biggest difference comes from the user interface/hardware where the iPhone is going to win until the Kaiser (or its offspring) has a more responsive/multi-touch screen. Nothing will beat the iPhone in this respect until that happens. It also nearly manages to negate the benefits of the hardware keyboard.

But can the iPhone do what the Kaiser can?

Video calls?

3MP camera?

And sure, the pseudo-GPS works, but is it as accurate as proper GPS? Can it do turn by turn navigation?

Can you add more storage memory? Or perhaps swap it out?

Can you change battery in the middle of a conference?

How many games does the iPhone have?

On the one hand I would like an iPhone. They are quite cool, do a lot of stuff and are pretty. The biggest problem to me is the contract tie-in - I am not that well off and I am not a heavy user - followed by the issue with restrictions on extending its capabilities. I know I can jailbreak it, but when it comes to voiding warrantys on devices costing over £200 I get a bit twitchy.

And if I ever get round to writing some code for a mobile phone, I don't appreciate Apple's licensing/programming terms.

So I guess I shall be stuck with the Kaiser/WM until either I get loads of money and buy an iPhone as a toy, a new WM phone is produced that's good enough to make me move on OR linux becomes a decent phone OS.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] marm0lade:
100% pure grade-A bull****.

There have been COUNTLESS test and reviews of the iphone's browser vs practically every other hand-held to market. The iphone gets trounced by 3G every time. Especially if you are using opera mini/mobile on windows mobile. Its actually quite comical how slow the iphone is compared to the Tilt on 3G.

You can check out THIS comparison for proof, and then you can stop lying.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Kraize:
I LOL'D! You must be either very arrogant or you didn't pay attention. I'm no apple fb and I own a tilt, but he meant through Wi-Fi, not 3G vs EDGE. He said "Over wi-fi it doesn't even compare" meaning that he was saying the Tilt's Wi-Fi vs iPhone's Wi-Fi in which the iPhone is actually better in both performance and battery life.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] justin5425:
I currently own a 8525 and just ordered a Kaiser. (att upgrade) I`ll buy the iPhone in about 2 years. Apple only treats us to one upgrade at a time so by 2010 I`ll have 3G(while everyone else is has faster tech), Gps, Bluetooth, 60gig. I would buy it today if it had all above and a PPC emulator so i can run my slingbox.