yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Josh McGrath:
Sounds like you need to reflash cause Im not having those issues.

Why not try a dirty flash with a new download? What do you have to lose? I dirty flashed and only have the AOD fingerprint persistent bug.
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] tdp06:
Is it just me or download links are broken?
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Beefheart:
Dirty flashed over the last but one build, no issues so far for me. Flashed, reflashed TWRP, Magisk, EdXposed then YouTube Vanced through Magisk as it was wiped as part of the flash. All working perfectly.
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Josh McGrath:
How's your AOD with fingerprint working? Mine won't register the fingerprint after hitting power then trying the print. It just goes screen black while brightening the FP area but does not register at all
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] jt1900jt:
Wireless Android Auto

A couple other people have mentioned this in the thread but haven't gotten any responses so I'll throw in my data point. I tried to get Android auto working wirelessly on my Pioneer W4400NEX but no luck. I also tried changing the model of the phone in build.prop but that didn't work either. My guess is that there is some code on the pixel devices which activate the wireless option which didn't get ported over by the dev of this rom. Hopefully it gets added in a later version. Honestly I'm even willing to throw in some cash as a bounty or something just to get wireless Android auto working on this rom.
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Beefheart:
AOD is something I never use so it's disabled. However, I've just enabled it for testing purposes and it appears to work fine with the unlock working as reliably as with AOD disabled, which in turn isn't far off stock.
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] altroy:
No I'm having the same issue
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] cgjjaf:
Have you try to start the head unit server under dev mode in the Android Auto app? If you haven't, here are the simple steps:

1. Open Android Auto app and go to the Menu.

2. Tap on About.

3. Tap the text "About Android Auto" at least 10 times, you should get a message that Dev Mode is now enable.

4. Tap the three dots in the upper right corner of that same screen.

5. Tap on "Start head unit server".

6. Try to connect to your stereo.

If this does work, just be aware that the head unit server will continue to work until you restart your phone, so no need to do this every time. If you restart the phone, you will need to start the head unit again. On a personal note, I have used this is with CrankshaftNG and although it doesn't connect automatically, it works well, connection, music, Bluetooth, etc. In theory, it should work perfectly with your stereo once you set it up. Finally, I didn't see any major battery drain from leaving the head unit server running, but this might be different with this ROM, I only tried with my Pixel XL and this phone with stock OOS.

I hope this works for you, and if so, keep your word and throw some cash at the developer of this ROM, he deserve it. Best of luck.
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] TheDemonLord:
Yeah same issues.

Random soft reboots.

Bluetooth music control isn't working.
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Ducter:
Both links end up with file not found, just me?
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] funnyquill:
if somebody is having its latest build then please upload it on google drive and share the link if you can...please...the links are broken
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] actionzheng:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NPMwhTMWpQC6QccDBoGLEn4dcFi_F8NQ/view?usp=drivesdk

Try it
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] funnyquill:
thank you so much bruh....is it the latest build....??
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] actionzheng:
Yes, it is May 25th build
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Ducter:
Anyone know if the builds were pulled for a reason? [MENTION=8803866]saksham_033[/MENTION] it seems odd that both links would be missing the rom so it must have been intentional?
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] saksham_033:
How're the links Missing? I see them..but you don't. I think, you're talking bout OP. OOOPS. I forgot to change there. But links are present here :- https://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=79599696&postcount=1015
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] saksham_033:
I already told you in my private message to send me a log cat. My car's head unit doesn't support android Auto. But you didn't. So you can msg me on telegram with a log, so that I can fix it.

My telegram handle :- httpe://t.me/pefajita
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Ducter:
Yes, your are correct. I went to the OP for the download. Thanks
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] stockandroiddudeone:
In what's working you have mentioned FM Radio how is that possible? Any plans of making this an Official version?

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Where can I find flashable OPcam zip?
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] saksham_033:
It's update time

New build is up guys.

Date :- 04 June 2019

• Guys, new PE update is up.. ?

What's new :-

⚙Changelog

* Suggested base = 9.0.12

* Tree rebased Over lineage os trees

* Gcam removed ( people can install gcam of their wish )

* Reworked on Live display and AOD

* FP seems more faster now

* Merged June Security patch

* Disabled HAL3 by default

* Added OP cam flashable support

* Improved network reception

* Upstreamed kernel ( by anirudh )

* Improved DT2W

* Pixel Experience Upstreams

* Minor changes you won't notice

* Many more

*And First Official Build *

Donate me on PayPal -*My PayPal

For my server bills..

Join tg community :) - https://t.me/pefajita

P.s - don't flash custom kernel or your Fingerprint will be wrecked.

Downloads :- Download from Official Website

DO HIT THE THANKS BUTTON
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Araa01:
Noice! [emoji16] Why u base on LOS no on caf? [emoji848]

Wysłane z mojego ONEPLUS A6013 przy użyciu Tapatalka
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] cgjjaf:
Just flashed the latest update/official build and now SafetyNet is failing (ctsProfile: false). I dirty flashed the rom, but I don't think that should be the reason for it. Other than Google Pay not working, everything else appears to be working perfectly. Any suggestions?
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Josh McGrath:
That's weird, I am failing safety net also, but I dirty flashed as well (against Shasam's advice lol) I don't use anything requiring safetynet so no big deal for me.

Can someone who clean flashed the latest build please confirm safetynet passes?
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] pappy97:
The new update is fantastic, I don't know what it is, but after a dirty flash (I know I know), the phone is just flying.
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] kuldip376:
Safety net not passes

getting cts profile:false in magisk and many banking apps not working any fix for this ?
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] saksham_033:
I'll check for cts failure guys. Don't worry :)
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Josh McGrath:
It doesn't affect me as I don't use gpay or anything like that but I gotta say, this newest build is buttery smooth. Thanks man

Edit: updating to magisk 19.3 has no change, cts:false still
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] :
Clean flashed and bootlooped

use the same instruction as when clean flash unofficial build last time (successful last time)

(clean flashed by:

Msm 9.0.12

fastboot boot <twrp.img>

flash PE

flash TWRP installer

reboot to TWRP

factory reset

reboot to system)

is there something changed so i can't use the same instructions as last time?or just noob me using wrong instructions all the time?

hope to have a offcial flash instruction?
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] skeliton lord:
Having an issue with the fingerprint scanner with AOD. whenever I try to use it on the AOD screen, I get the "finger moved too fast error". On every other screen that requires it, it works every time without hesitation. Without AOD on, it also works without issue

Clean flash

June official build

No mods, just magisk

IDK if a logcat would help here, if it will, I can provide one without issue

Edit: the finger print sensor doesn't light up on AOD like it does on the rest of the screens requiring it
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] mem101296:
Quick question, what causes the screen to go super dim when using the fingerprint scanner? I've noticed it on a couple different ROMs now.
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Josh McGrath:
Irrelevant now
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] skeliton lord:
It's meant to allow the finger to be read better. OxygenOS does this by super brightening the fingerprint sensor with animations (which is why certain animations work better than others). Simpliest way to describe it
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] mem101296:
I knew about the brightening of the finger to allow better accuracy, I more so wondering why the whole screen dims rather than just brightening the fingerprint pixels. Unless that's still not possible.
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] skeliton lord:
Proprietary jargen that's obviously needs to be wired around. I can definitely see the devs coming up with a way to do it, but without animations, it's pointless since the animations is what light up the sensor on stock OxygenOS
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] saksham_033:
New build will come today.

I will remove FP from AOD.

Fixed com.android.phone crashing for some specific VoLTE Carriers.

Fixed WiFi disconnects

And Fixed False CTS in magisk.
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Josh McGrath:
FP on AOD has worked better than ever before as long as you unlock with the power button first.

I'm sticking with the current build on June ?
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] skeliton lord:
The FP on AOD was working flawlessly until the latest build
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Zorbeyd:
Random reboots (generally became after at wifi on off)
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] ZaKh10:
Is there anyway to completely uninstall/delete the camera app that comes with this rom?
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] saksham_033:
You may need to root it.
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] skeliton lord:
Use the app "system app remover" from the app store. Requires root
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] roddem:
What would be the flashing instructions if coming from stock please ?

Thank you
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] ZaKh10:
I have rooted My phone, but I still don't know how to do it.
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] mem101296:
I seem to be having some random restarts. Anyone else been experiencing this?
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] actionzheng:
same issue
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Josh McGrath:
I have yet to have a single reboot and I'm a heavy phone user
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] dnyaneshmoh:
MTP is not working. Please fix it.
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] mem101296:
It seems to happen when the phone sits without use for roughly 15 minutes or more.
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] skeliton lord:
Make sure to change to "file transfer" using the notification that appears for it. literally just transferred 15GB worth of stuff without issue

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I replied to you just above. Use system app remover from the play store
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] dnyaneshmoh:
I am doing that. Ok let me reinstall the rom then i will try it

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There is one more problem in the rom... When i am setting password on phone. In twrp its telling that the password is incorrect. Maybe the rom is having the issue of Encryption
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Riddle5:
How is the Sot with this ROM?
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] bestofrhcp:
I did a clean Install and Still didn't pass. Anyone get this working. I really like the convenience of Google Tap to pay.
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Caferoy:
is it a known issue that it wont let me into the phone? When I try to login with the correct pin, the screen goes black for a second and then it goes back to the lockscreen so I am not able to get into the phone.
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] mem101296:
That's definitely not normal. I'd do a clean flash.
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] ebproject:
That's not a rom problem, that's a TWRP issue. You should always remove your pin/password beforehand.:good:
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Caferoy:
oops wrong person
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] csjoker49x:
This rom is amazing. I havent had a single issue ive been seeing and i used 9.014 as base oos. No reboots ,no lag,no crashes. Just awesomness.
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] NuKeM4n:
Try disabling mobile data always active from dev options
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Ducter:
The op mentioned on the 5th that a new build would be out that day, am I missing it or was it not released? All I see is the build from the 4th. Thanks.
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] ValliJoe:
You can check here https://download.pixelexperience.org/fajita/
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] nyzoli72:
The fixed build will come soon. I'm waiting so much too.
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] roddem:
FLashing instructions please ?
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] jaxwithanx:
Dirty flashing myself RN. You wipe Dalvik before rebooting?
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Reinierm12b:
I flashed this over 9.0.14

1. Flashed pixel rom

2. flashed twrp installer

3. Wiped data, cache, dalvik (on twrp)

Works perfectly. No issues at all except what others have mentioned already about the FP not working with AOD.
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Josh McGrath:
Just curious, what fixes are you hoping to be fixed in the next build? I'm having no issues
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] proksra:
Thanks for share :good:
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] NerdiestGeek:
Abysmal battery (2.5 SOT after full charge). Swapping away from this.
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] tashimotor:
Wait 2-3 cycles
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] ecotrojan:
Ciao
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] 1TrackMike:
[youtube]dL2XwYDDW2s[/youtube]

Try this. I always refer back to this video when in trouble. Hope it helps!! Start from bootloader and proceed with his instructions.
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] hrwb23:
Flashed from based Rom OOS 9.0.14

- Wipe dalvic, cache, data

- Flash Pixel Experience

- Flash TRWP

- Reboot Recovery

- Flash Pixel Experience ( again )

- Flash TRWP ( again )

- Wipe dalvic, cache, data

- Reboot System

- Flash Magisk ( if want root )

- Reboot Sytem

Idk if i did right or wrong on flashing the custom rom but the result is this ROM run amazingly awesome on my 6T!!!

No regret installed this Rom ( for me )

Thank you for dev team! :good::good::good::good::good::good:
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Riddle5:
How are you doing with Sot?
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] divineazn716:
Hello guys, what are all of your average SOT for this rom? I noticed this has been asked a few times but just would like to know before flashing?
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Josh McGrath:
Ive been getting 5 to 7 hours average but that's also Pandora running in background with VPN and an extreme amount of screen off and on too. Good enough for me ?
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] sid_25:
What an amazing performance by the rom on OP6T! Kudos to the devs.

Any chance of getting the Portrait mode fixed? I tried OP6T stock cam app as well it breaks on Portrait mode as well.
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] afrob:
Do you have a Link for this file? Dont know where i can find this zip before flashing PIxel Experience
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] ValliJoe:
https://xdaforums.com/oneplus-6t/how-to/official-oxygenos-9-0-4-ota-oneplus-6t-t3860953
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] hrwb23:
No big different with stock. Still acceptable.

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You can find it from oneplus official website. On the bottom page you'll find support button. Pick ur device type and download the official os.
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] kumaman:
Just wanted to say 'Great ROM'

Everything is working including Google pay and the fingerprint reader.

Haven't found this on any other ROM thus far so really pleased.

Big cheers
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] bestofrhcp:
not getting this at all. you running the kernel that came with the ROM?
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] ecotrojan:
Is CTS profile working ?
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Josh McGrath:
Yup stock kernel but after the last few days and I rechecked after posting, it's been down to 3-4 SOT?

Still good enough for me, but should be much better. But we all need to keep in mind the 6t is kinda "old" now and batteries degrade. I don't know what stock SOT is to compare
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Ducter:
I get 5-6 hours sot running beta 11. I work out in the field with no access to power so it's important I squeeze as much battery life as possible out of the phone, that's the only reason I'm still running stock. I debloat as much as I can and let it be. I, personally, haven't found any of the third party ROMs to offer close to the same life.
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] sid_25:
Sorry for a novice question, how to flash the updated version? I can see a new build of 6/4 on pixelexp website....pls provide the steps to flash the latest version of the rom...
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] :
Reboot to TWRP. Flash ROM and TWRP. Reboot to TWRP from within TWRP and again flash ROM and TWRP Installer. Once done, wipe Dalvik and Reboot.
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] mem101296:
I understand you may be quite busy, but is there an ETA on the upcoming update? With the random reboots and Google Pay not working, I may have to switch ROMs until fixes come.
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] YehoshuaLee:
new rom is under testing. Maybe will update soon.
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] bestofrhcp:
I don't think that's the issue( phone being old )

In OOS beta I was getting an average of 5-7 SOT. The battery is still new as I didn't get the phone at launch. With this ROM I'm lucky if I even hit 4 SOT.
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] sid_25:
I am getting twrf recovery password screen to Mount internal storage. What to do?
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] bestofrhcp:
You're going to have to disable the security on your phone aka your password in order for you to get past that on twrp
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Beefheart:
My experience of various versions of this ROM has involved zero random reboots after weeks of use.

In short, random reboots = the user not having installed it properly.
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] mem101296:
While I wish that was true, that's not exactly how software works. You may not be experiencing that specific bug, but it doesn't mean it's not a bug. If you search through this thread, there are others who have the same issue.

An example would be the bug iPhone users had when the XS first came. Some could not charge the phone, while others had no issues charging. The phones had the exact same software, iOS. Now that's the first example that popped into my head, I could list many others if need be.

Just for the sake of trying it again, I will reflash tonight.
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Beefheart:
Thanks, as someone who has worked in various aspects of IT and development for over a quarter of a century I really needed someone to explain how software works.

Sorry to say, but unless you have a hardware fault, the issue is almost certainly a result of not flashing it properly, although this might not be your fault and could be just a corrupt flash. I suggest the following:-

- Remove all fingerprints and lockscreen security.

- Reboot to bootloader

- Boot twrp.img from bootloader

- Flash a fresh copy of 9.0.14 OOS

- Reboot bootloader

- Boot twrp.img from bootloader

- Flash Pixel experience

- Reboot bootloader

- Boot twrp.img from bootloader

- Factory wipe (select wipe then just swipe)

- Flash magisk if you wish

- Reboot system

Good luck.
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] CitizenX:
Working myself in an it company,this must be one of the dumbest statements I ever heard, completely ignoring different setups everyone is using... :silly:
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] DogGunn:
What nonsense. Making a ROM compatible on different hardware is nothing like normal software development.
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Beefheart:
Dumbest? Nice. Except no one is ignoring different setups, the presumption is being made that he is getting random reboots on a fresh install with little to nothing installed. In which case it is highly likely to be a flash issue as stated. Especially with how easy it is to get a corrupted flash with the partition setup of OnePlus devices

Still, you got 4 likes from others who misunderstood my post too it was worth it I guess.

Well....yeah. Obviously. Shame it has no relevance to the post you quoted or the subject at hand given that we're talking about a single piece of hardware.
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] DogGunn:
Well that's the point. It's not going to be a problem with how someone flashed it...
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Beefheart:
OK. To clarify, you don't believe random reboots can be caused by the method in which someone flashes a ROM, including the configuration the phone had prior to the flash and the steps made when performing the flash? And taking into account an A/B partition setup like OnePlus uses?

Righto.
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] DogGunn:
Of course it can be, but it is unlikely given the number of users experiencing it.
[OnePlus 6T  ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Dev] Beefheart:
On the contrary, I'd say it's the most likely explanation given that the majority of users aren't having issues with RRs and we're talking about a single ROM for a single piece of hardware across multiple users.

In short, if people flash from a clean install of 9.0.14 (as per my steps listed) I'd suggest the issue wouldn't occur. Or at least prior to software then being installed, in which case the cause can then be singled out to a particular app or apps.