yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] GSLEON3:
Hey guys, After further analyzing I need to report that there are (3) THREE radio .nb files in this rom.

Weird stuff.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] MickyMax:
Three ? are you sure ? I can see two but the third... ?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] GSLEON3:
Again, this would probably work, but I need to EMPHASIZE that the addresses I used are for concetual purposes only, & a figment of my imagination.

Also another concept would be how I used to upload raw OS data via MTTY to change the page pool. The main issue I see with either of these concepts though is that if the new data has a bigger allocation than the existing radio.

Again, These are advanced concepts, NOOBIES, do NOT attempt this, nor should you ever atempt flashig via MTTY, it is very risky to say the least. These concepts are in no way meant to be used as the info in them is not correct for the current address allocation
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] dwsco:
Glad I could amuse... :)

Seriously though, things could be much worse.. I could have a shiny door stop.

My only consolation is that I wasn't the only one.... a lot of senior members with much more flashing and fixing experience fell for it too. And hey, by not flashing it you're missing out on all the fun :)

Anyways, the good news is that at least the radio isn't a total dud.. it does work. The even better news is that the Wizards of the Wiki are cooking up a potion and we're all learning something from this (in my case, wait a couple of hours.. or days.. before you flash the new ROM :) )
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] GSLEON3:
EDIT: Ooops, opened the wrong file, hehe. Now after disassembling the real file it's not a radio, but something strange. This third 17K kb file is strange.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] leoiden:
question?

how do you enter rtask a?:confused:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] jockyw2001:
enter bootloader and type "rtask a" followed by "help"
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] AllTheWay:
Here's what I got back

Cmd>rtask a

POWER OFF PMIC VREG_USB : SUCCESS!

C VREG_USB : SUCCESS!

Invalid command : help

I am unable to get back to the Cmd> prompt to type help. Using MTTY 1.42
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] jockyw2001:
Okay thanks, it means there is a version check somewhere. I'll see what I can do.

Btw to return to Cmd> you should type "retuoR"
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] AllTheWay:
Ok thank you. Does it matter what MTTY I use?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] GSLEON3:
Guys, rtask a followed by h or ?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] jockyw2001:
No, mtty version doesn't matter.

Btw, the radio bootloader in this radio is dated Apr 10 2008. It's brandnew and obviously some HTC engineers read this forum and corrected a bug. The bug in all other radios is that after "rtask a" and "radata" followed by "GO2AMSS", the phone would change state to qualcomm download mode. I'm xploiting that mode to unbrick "task 2a" bricks. It's a pity they fixed that.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] AllTheWay:
So I am assuming we are just hanging tight for right now
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] jockyw2001:
Yeah, but we'll deal with it soon.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] AllTheWay:
Tried this. Just goes back to the Cmd>
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] GSLEON3:
Nevermind I got it it was same radio lumped with SPL.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] GSLEON3:
The ? or h is a seperate command. don't put it on the tail of the first command.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] AllTheWay:
Cmd>rtask a

POWER OFF PMIC VREG_USB : SUCCESS!

C VREG_USB : SUCCESS!

Invalid command : ?

Invalid command : h

Invalid command : help

still get this.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] dwsco:
No joy on going back to OEM and original SPL, at least not for me. Once I managed to flash the SPL back, every ROM I tried to flash told me it was an invalid vendor. I tried all the HTC, Cigular, ATT&T and Vodafone ones I could find. I bought my Tilt used, and being a Tilt I assumed it was AT&T originally but...

Anyways, couldn't flash anything 'official' and didn't want to try a cooked ROM with the original SPL so I don't think this is the answer. I'm holding out great hopes for the work being done though and am more than willing to test anything anyone comes up with.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] GSLEON3:
Okay, it can be overwritten uploading data to the device. Phew, I was sweating that out for a bit. I just did it & so far I haven't noticed anything adverse. I'm gonna wait & see what Jocky comes up with b'c he's a hell of a lot smarter than I. I can figure out the how, but I'm not a developer & can't package everything nice & easy for others like the true work horses of xda.

After all really I'm just a Noobie, like many others, but I have read a few years worth of Oli, pof & especially Jocky posts & tut's from other threads & other websites, & I don't mind risking it all from time to time. I really encourage you Kaiser owners & all new to WM, take some time to stray into the Blue Angel & Hermes threads to see all of the info & tools & the thought behind them. For the true noobies, you have no idea how easy you have it from the original xda days. But I digress.

Anyway, I'm 100% confident there'll be a pretty easy (well, easy for the above mentioned to create & for you to execute) fix for all of you still stuck.

Till then I'll let you know if my device dies tonight. :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Dinamitci:
I don't have SuperCID, just HardSPL. Can't do SuperCID now cause the 'special radio' won't flash. Stuck at 1.65.17.10 . But it's not that bad at all. The radio works perfectly until now. No problems with texting (about 100 of them) and HSDPA is working also stable at full speed (3+Mb/s). Signal is always 100% here, so can't say anything about that. Battery I don't know, cause of my usage I charge at least once a day anyway. GPS like always within 10seconds when using QuickGPS. Someone asked if it enabled HSUPA, but if I'm right the Kaiser doesn't have HSUPA hardware at all, can't tell it anyway because HSUPA is not available yet overhere.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Olipro:
Wow, I wonder if this is HTCs response to the hacked radio... I'll have to take a look at this then
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] cmonex:
wrong. Olipro one changes a lot more.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Olipro:
2 bytes, god, what a ****ing dip****.

even AFTER pof explained it wasn't a 2 byte patch senor dickhead still maintains we ripped off jocky, well, I'll get jocky to post that it's got sweet **** all to do with him then.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] cmonex:
heh he can contact us (OliNex = Olipro or me) and we can see if he can be saved :P
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] ugoff:
I've encountered similar performance after upgrading to Dutty's 5.2.19209 ROM last night (the 19199 was terrible with this radio...). I've found that the camera doesn't work, much like previous radio ROM/camera issues. Also, Slide2Unlock Pro appears not to work, but I'm not sure if that's radio related (dunno why it would be...) or if it's the new OS. Does your camera work?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Eddieh31:
hey man, he was asking which roms actually work with this radio?

the problem i am having is

when phone rings and i answer it i get dead silence or a hissing noise from the phone and cant hang up...must reset

camera does not work at all.

sound disapears once you make a phone call or receive a phone call.

unit locks up frequently.

i tried duttys 4/1/08 and 4/16/08 and stock 6.1 but all had the same issue after hard reset. he wants to know which roms DONT DO THIS with the locked radio!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] ugoff:
Ok. For those of us who tested it first and are now stuck with it. Dutty's 5.2.19209 ROM will run, but camera doesn't work. Official AT&T ROM in this thread Here that comes with this radio obviously will work properly.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] dwsco:
I'm using HyperDragon II and it works fine. No problems with calls, GPS works (actually very well) and so does the camera.

I also read that the new TNT ROM is working well with this radio but you should confirm with someone who is using it.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] AllTheWay:
Any help would be appreciated at this point. I am truly lost. I am actually kind of enjoying this. It's becoming a challenge now :) Great to see so many prominent XDA-Developer member's in one thread putting their heads together.

I will put a bounty of $50 US dollars if anybody can solve this. I know it doesn’t sound like a lot too somebody in Europe (50.00 USD = 31.5314 EUR) or worse yet the UK (50.00 USD = 25.2582 GBP) but I would just like to get this solved.

Actually you can, read this.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=2142793&postcount=97
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] austinsnyc:
sorry for not reading all the threads but I just saw that we can't change the radio. To be clear is this just tilt users or all Kaisers? to be more on point if we bought are kaisers direct that are not locked to a provider can we flash another radio? I know in my case i dumped the .exe and rewrapped the radio.nb into a ruu_signed.nbh and I am wondering If i am stuck lol!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] scotchua:
i just might just have to match that, since there is a lot of hard work going into it.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] scotchua:
i'm using the TNT rom and it's working fine.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] AllTheWay:
Have you done this previously before flashing the radio? Kaiser SuperCID and Security Unlocker v0.1

Try changing the radio and see what happens :)

Hopefully you won't get stuck too.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] austinsnyc:
IM ****ING STUCK NOW ALSO!! just tried flashing the niki radio on a real kaiser from HTC and stuck on the damn AT-T radio lol.... Fcukers!

No problems with sound or anything but how shady is this **** HTC!!!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] AllTheWay:
Pull up a chair. Come join the fun :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] AllTheWay:
Don't give up. I almost did. Look how much fun you will miss. Inputting MTTY commands, flashing, and then flashing again to get something that works.

Isn't this fun :D

I am going to hold off for a while. Just had a 46 min phone call and battery only went down 5% :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Eddieh31:
look, all i want is for my phone to work. can someone please point me to the hyperdragon 2 rom or any rom that this radio is stable with and i will take it. thanks a lot
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] shutter13:
TNT ROM

Hyperdragon II ROM
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Eddieh31:
HORRAY!

temp fix for all who are having bad expierence with 165.17.10

upgrade to TNT ROM. it worked for me. camera, phone, gps and internet now working ok now
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] msharaf:
This is horrible to get stuck with a Radio ROM.

I have an idea (no way to try it myself, sorry)

We need to write on the protection part that we ignore where it is. Try to flash full official ROM or NoThrills ROM v3.

Last one did reset every thing I hv customized even Boot splash.

Cheers
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] austinsnyc:
back on track please!!!!! Is POF or Oli around? we need to figure out how to get this ****ing radio off are Kaisers ASAP cuz you know something better is coming soon! WM7 is just around the corner!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] AllTheWay:
Exactly back on topic.

This radio suck's by the way. Was using my GPS this morning. Battery went from 64% to 38% in 17 min using iGO. Ouch!!!

Call quality is good and reception is as well but this things chews up my battery. HELP is definitely needed. Jocky, GSLEON3, cmonex, Olipro, have all tried to help solve this. I just think we will need some time. Hopefully we won't have to wait long, but I can hang with bad battery if it's only for a while.

I have already pledge $50 bucks to whoever can solve this. Anybody else want to throw some money in the pot?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] scotchua:
Count me in for $50 as well, it'd be money well spent and a lot cheaper than buying a new one ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] LunaC:
Maybe they are virtualizing the radio and that is capturing the at commands? If that is the case, maybe a jump is needed for the hypervisor radio to not run the virtual radio? Just thoughts.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] JimmyMcGee:
I didn't get a chance to flash this radio. But When a solution is found I will Donate to the bounty.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] austinsnyc:
i have a feeling it has to do with checking the radio version. You can only flash something higher? I guess time will tell when i new radio comes out :) there is no way they can lock you into just one radio or they wouldnt be doing any more radio upgrades.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] JimmyMcGee:
Yeah it's checking something. The next radio they release will be able to over-write this, I bet. I don't know if there is a "protected bit" or it's checking Radio numbers or what. Lets just hope they don't do this to their ROMs.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] jyavenard:
damn, found this ROM RUU_Kaiser_WWE_6.1_AKU_1.0.2_Build_ 19209_1.65.17.10.exe

installed to have a try and then I read this post.

in the mean time the flashing crashed half way so I thought I was safe.

well, unfortunately not. put latest Dutty's ROM: and no camera :( just a black screen.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] AllTheWay:
The pot will go up in two weeks if nobody can still solve this, so it would be around $150.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] GSLEON3:
As honored as I am to see my name next to those genuises, it doesn't belong there. For all I am is a literate guy that is intrigued by reading & following the true work of the truly brilliant.

Unfortuantely,

I am back at the drawing board & now in worse shape than all of you! LOL. Yes, I got the radio out of my device by erasing the location with mtty, (Using another Kaiser I have, one that's still security locked) & while I flashed a new radio & it worked, I then last night hard reset & then had no volume. Device still reported the 1.64 I flashed, but now I have no radio & can't flash another!!! LOL, so I got rid of it, but whatever they patched to disallow overwritting persisted & hence I have a radioless kaiser.

Well, I guess I now have true incentive to try & find a fix! Good thing I have a couple of these puppies left. :o

Guess I'll be re-anylizing the radios & spl's that are in this new rom.

I have a Q though, probably will answer it myself, but whoever posted the Original ripped radio, did you extract & remove the SPL.nb from it? Or did you just run the nbh extractor & pull out the complete mbh including the SPL?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] shutter13:
My daughter's birthday today, so kinda tapped out this paycheck, but in a week, I'm down for 50.00
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] GSLEON3:
No more PM's to pof, cmonex, Jocky or Oli.

They're all aware of the situation & pof's already looking at it I believe, as are the others!

EDIT

: UPDATE! There is a bit of progress, I seem to be okay & haven't overwritten the AMSS or the Radio Boot Loader. Do NOT attempt a uploading data via MTTY though. One slip, if you overwrite any of the Radio Bootloader, you're completely screwed as it boots before SPL on these devices. There will be no recovwery for that. There is a solid concept forming, regarding a smal version hex edit to OEMSBL, but it's just a test conceot being worked out by the Gods.

I encourage everyone to be patient & keep in mind all the great things brought to you by, well, you know who they are. They do most of this out of a love of frustration & blazing curiousity. While I have another Kaiser & am fine regardless of the outcome, I can tell you that I will definitely be making a couple of Donations to those here that give so much of their time & work so freely.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] jyavenard:
for what it's worth, i didn't use the radio only version, and i'm also stuck on 1.65.17.10

so i don't think the issue is with the extraction of the radio
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] SH4YD33:
I extracted the .NBH. And rebuilt the NBH with the radio only. No SPL, Splash Screens, OS.. ETC
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] GSLEON3:
Thanks for the try there bud! You miss the point of the question however. The ROM has two nbh files. One has several .nb files in it which include, the OS, SPL, Radio & splash. The second nbh in the rom has another version of the radio & another version of SPL.

I'm not at my office, so I don't have eeverything in front of me, but my question was wether the OP just took the 17K nbh from the original rom thinking it was a clean radio because of it's size, & not realizing that it also should've been unpacked, removing the SPL.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] AllTheWay:
Well said good sir. I will be doing the same. The bounty that I offer will be given regardless of the outcome.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] xcsdm:
First, I've got to say thank for an excellent first post. Informative, logically, and possibly even helpful. (Hey, if we're gonna flame the boobs, give props to the noobs)

Next is the Q:

Obviously the area where the radio rom is writen is writeable memory... duh

Something during the update process blocks what I assume is an older radio from overwriting this radio. We saw similar issues with the Hermes SPL. Certain bootloaders required some creative ingenuity to downgrade.

Is it possible some part of the standard RUU and/or custom RUU is looking at a bit that prevents it from overwriting certain areas?

As in, can we simply "fix" the RUU to allow writing to these areas?

XC
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] GSLEON3:
It's not the SPL. More to do with the OEMSBL on this issue. It's possible that it's looking at radio version, that's what jockys looking at, a moddified OEMSBL with a hex edit to identify as the offending radio. ;)

But it's not a problem with SPL. The HardSPL is patched not to be Overwritten & this radio only version was indeed stripped of the SPL anyway.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] xcsdm:
Okay then, now I've gotta ask the question for learning sake.

I assume then that the SPL is responsible for writing the ROM image to the device, while the RUU must essentially pass the image to SPL for writing.

I had been under the impression that the RUU actually wrote directly to flash, and that the various boot loaders needed patched to accept these ROMs as bootable.

XC
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] austinsnyc:
i can confirm that I stripped the SPL before I packaged and flashed this radio. I flashed the radio only and not the rom but it is working good with the 202 build I am running :) GPS kind of slow to lock on thought sometimes :(
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] GSLEON3:
Try Disassembling a SPL sometime w/ IDA Pro or if you know your crap w/ Radare. You'll learn lots. Boot Loader is a product of the SPL. The SPL is Launched by the radio boot loader in the Kaiser. When flashing a ROM, your device does not just take the data & write it as it exists in the nbh, no it's is broken down & various system calls are made to download the data. For flashing ROMs the SPL is actually patched to allow for flashing of a ROM with any CID (Carrier ID). I won't go into detail, because it doesn't belong here, but you can learn some pretty neat things about SPL, OEMSBL in the Hermes & a few other older Forum threads. You also have a QCPBL & QCSBL

Disassembly though will give you a much better idea of all the different functions of an SPL. The SPL also loads the OS or more correctly copies the OS code into RAM.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] cmonex:
your impression is totally incorrect.

the RUU does not much more than pushing the image to the SPL, the SPL does the flashing for the wince part, with the exception of the radio data which is passed to the radio bootloader then that flashes it.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] cmonex:
er, exactly what did you erase? you later say it wasn't the radio after all (you can't erase that as easily as on the hermes anyway).
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] cmonex:
we haven't reallyhad a chance yet to talk to you except for 1-2 PM's, could you come on IRC so we can talk?

server is: irc.freenode.org

channel is: #xda-devs

if you can't get an irc client then use java: http://java.freenode.net/

change the channel name to xda-devs and change your nick to something else too
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] AllTheWay:
Ok I sent a message back to Olipro. I will try to get on irc right now.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] jyavenard:
Tried TNT, don't like it, mainly because I can't use the Telstra settings to access the WAP.

Which worked fine with Dutty's ROM.

Other than the camera/video, what else doesn't work with some ROM when using this AT&T radio ?

I may just install the dutty's ROM while waiting for someone to find a fix for this.

I can live without the camera
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] sirooga:
SuperCID

So do we have any confirmation that SuperCID makes it safe to flash this radio? Or shall I try it? I hear it gets really good reception in my area so I'm not too concerned with being stuck with it for a while.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] AllTheWay:
Get ready for horrible battery life. Honestly I would not flash this radio, but hey it's up to you.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] sirooga:
That's why I'm trying to find out if we have any confirmation about SuperCID allowing me to flash away again later. I leave my phone plugged in a good part of the day anyway so I'm not too concerned about the battery.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] AllTheWay:
If your phone says security unlocked or something like that in the very top when you are in bootloader you should be good to go, but if you just want my opinion I wouldn't do it, but P1Tater and renembarr don't have any issues

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=2142793&postcount=97
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] sirooga:
SuperCID

Ok now for the sake of what I hope was to help with the genius's fixing this problem I flashed the radio after I SuperCID unlocked my phone. Whatever that program does to the phone it makes me able to flash back to any radio of my choosing. (I don't recommend to anyone doing this just for fun btw) Hopefully this confirms what people have been thinking about SuperCID unlocked phones and helps to solve the problem.