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[Vivo Nex Guides, News, & Discussion] Twotems:
I'll take Funtouch over Stock Android anytime. Just change the launcher and it's a new phone.

Rumour is that this isn't the Nex2 but another model due out next month. The NexS is ideal for me since I rarely use the front camera.
[Vivo Nex Guides, News, & Discussion] hamdir:
yes lets hope there is still a proper nex 2 instead of this non sense
[Vivo Nex Guides, News, & Discussion] blackinfinity:
The rumour say that this is not the Nex 2 but a variant of Nex.

I am not totally sold on the idea of having two screens. It can be be cost effective and a screen take more physical space inside then a camera module which will result in smaller battery. I really dont like the the slide solutions I am sorry to see not more adopting the pop out camera solution. Elephone and Vivo is alone in this right now as far as I know
[Vivo Nex Guides, News, & Discussion] Abby 244:
For me a perfect successor should have no chin, triple camera setup, wireless fast charging and upcoming snapdragon flagship processor.
[Vivo Nex Guides, News, & Discussion] DrmMaster:
SD card, and nfc, and wireless charging would be the ultimate. I could care less about a selfie cam... I've only used this one a handful of times just to show it off... LoL
[Vivo Nex Guides, News, & Discussion] Number 8:
5000mah battery, stereo speakers and a 2k screen is all I want. Maybe the no notches on the edges like Oppo Find X.
[Vivo Nex Guides, News, & Discussion] paatha13:
Good to hear Vivo is experimenting with unique design and approach but i realy don't like the dual screen idea.

First of all you won't be able to use any kind skin and cases.

And second one having a second screen at the back there's double of changes of broking screen.

I do not want to have any worries and concerns about a possible back screen broken glass only worrying about the main screen broken is enough:p;)
[Vivo Nex Guides, News, & Discussion] Twotems:
The dual-screen Nubia X comes with a case that works well.
[Vivo Nex Guides, News, & Discussion] paatha13:
Vivo nex 2 - dual screen

yes I know but will be much more limited choices from third party cases.

And of course no skin no party to me.

This design is DOA to me and many others I believe.

The more unique device the less support from third party accessories.

Imagine that Vivo Nex has now very limited support from accessories aspect I don’t want to think how much less with dual screen device will have.
[Vivo Nex Guides, News, & Discussion] Twotems:
I'm very satisfied with my Nex. No need for this one.
[Vivo Nex Guides, News, & Discussion] paatha13:
Exactly me too.

I’m more curious about what Android Pie will bring Nex 2 than the dual screen device by itself.

I assume what dual screen device offer from software aspect the same Vivo will give to us.
[Vivo Nex Guides, News, & Discussion] Twotems:
Pie won't offer anything much different because it's buried under Funtouch.
[Vivo Nex Guides, News, & Discussion] paatha13:
Vivo nex 2 - dual screen

I’m only hoping for AOD improvements and adding accent color customization and native black/dark theme.

Vivo theme store is completely garbage and as we know substratum theme won’t work on Pie without root.

That’s my only wishes for improvements.

Not needed anything else.
[Vivo Nex Guides, News, & Discussion] thanhdat:
exactly what i thought, NFC and wireless charging and Nex 2 is good to go :D and thinner chin will make Nex 2 a perfect phone.
[Vivo Nex Guides, News, & Discussion] blackinfinity:
I dont think the leaked pictures are true, simply the design looks like an unfinished prototype. Also this will not be called Nex 2 . It wil lbe called NEX and then some other letter probably. Anyway, not sure what to think about the dual screen, in the current form I dont like it..

Now it seem the inifinity O display will be the next big thing... I just think the pop up camera solution is the best it allow 100% screen to body ratio.

I Think people in general have WAY too much fear of the electronic motors will fail. Have we seen any if of these motors fail yet on vivo nex or oppo find x ?

I can only talk about myself but I dont use the selfie camera that often, and I know a lot people are like me... the motor will hold for many years for me.
[Vivo Nex Guides, News, & Discussion] paatha13:
Well we are few hours before the announcement of the device.:rolleyes:

The event will take place at 7:30 PM China time.

https://www.gsmarena.com/vivo_nex_d...cially_unveiled_on_december_11-news-34613.php

https://www.gsmarena.com/highqualit..._2_show_all_sides_of_the_phone-news-34608.php

Here's how you switch between the front and rear screen on the the upcoming device

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGdLLc3F7IQ
[Vivo Nex Guides, News, & Discussion] lortwarCECH:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75LFo9PrebE hands-on
[Vivo Nex Guides, News, & Discussion] paatha13:
Well the good news both panels are OLED made.

The bad news the battery capacity is 3500 compared to 4000 on Vivo Nex.

Seems secondary screen sacrifices battery capacity.

Here’s unboxing

https://youtu.be/mIshmTS9qLc

Official presentation and full specs

https://shop.vivo.com.cn/product/10000058?skuId=100151
[Vivo Nex Guides, News, & Discussion] Twotems:
Very interesting phone. I actually like it but the NexS has several advantages in my opinion.

1. Bigger battery

2. Cheaper

3. Bigger screen

4. Worldwide Bands (unless an international version becomes available)

I don't see a reason for existing NexS owners to buy this but I'd definitely consider one if I didn't have my NexS.
[Vivo Nex Guides, News, & Discussion] paatha13:
Actually Chinese version has B20 band so at least in Europe we are totally covered.
[Vivo Nex Guides, News, & Discussion] tossero:
Thank you guys for the links and videos.

Great effort from Vivo who keeps innovating and bringing interesting things to the market.

I am not into camera or dual screen phones so I will stick with my 4000 mAh battery Nex :)
[Vivo Nex Guides, News, & Discussion] blackinfinity:
I hate how people still call it vivo nex 2, it is called vivo nex dual screen edition.

popup camera is such much better solution, only time will prove that this solution is reliable over a few years....

Also have an eye on oppo find x, their motorized solution is used 100 times more per day because of the face unlock, if that holds on for 2-3 years people should stop worry about motorized pop up solutions.
[Vivo Nex Guides, News, & Discussion] paatha13:
Interesting observation about dual screen Vivo Nex by Engadget and how it works and functionality of the dual screen.

https://www.engadget.com/2018/12/11/vivo-nex-dual-display-edition/

1.First of all an in-display fingerprint reader -- now at its fifth generation which unlocks in 0.29 seconds.

At opposite Vivo Nex using 3rd generation while 4th generation is at Vivo X23 model.

2. It's also pretty easy to switch between the two screens on this NEX: You can either pull out the control center from the bottom and tap the shortcut at the bottom right, or enable the three-finger gesture in settings and drag from left edge of either screen, or quickly tap the left multi-purpose button to toggle the switch (long press to summon Vivo's Jovi assistant) -- this is always the left button no matter which screen you're using, with the one on the right serving as the power button.

3. In addition to the 12-megapixel camera, 2-megapixel assistive camera (for bokeh and enabling "Super Night Mode") plus the usual LED flash, the NEX Dual Display Edition offers a "Lunar Ring," which acts as a selfie soft light surrounding the dual camera. The top half consists of 16 LEDs, whereas the lower part overlapping the rear display uses the AMOLED pixels to produce the light. This is supposed to offer prettier selfies as it spreads the light across one's face more evenly. When not in use, this ring also doubles as a notification light

So something useful that I would like to have on Vivo Nex is Lunar Ring and act as notifications light since we don’t have neither led notifications as well neither proper AOD with full app notifications.

4. Needless to say, the camera comes with many dedicated software features, including the usual AI face beautification and face shaping. Interestingly, it can even do body shaping if you're very conscious of yourself.

To take full advantage of the secondary screen, there's a Mirror Mode which is self-explanatory: While you're taking photos of a person using this phone, the rear display shows a live view of the subject -- just like a mirror -- which allows him or her to adjust pose where necessary. There's also a Pose Director mode which uses the rear display to show pose suggestions picked from Vivo's image library.

5. Another unique feature here is the Time Of Flight 3D camera, which is used for faster (0.35 seconds) and more secure (300,000 dots) facial recognition and enhanced facial beautification. It also serves as an AR measuring tool -- much like what Google's Project Tango touted back in the days.

6. Alas, there's still no NFC. One possible reason is that Vivo is promoting the use case of QR code-based mobile payment -- a common method in China -- using its rear display, meaning you won't have to flip the phone around. In other words, Vivo doesn't think much of NFC-based mobile payment, and it's also saving a bit of manufacturing cost here, too.

So all above is the basic features and functionality offer dual screen.
[Vivo Nex Guides, News, & Discussion] Number 8:
Yeah and it's easier to break now since the case will cover only the edges of the phone. Gimmicky as f***, no real use for the second screen.
[Vivo Nex Guides, News, & Discussion] paatha13:
That's why offer extra protection warranty:laugh::laugh:

[December 29, starting, enjoy 6 interest-free, plus half a year of vivo care kit (including half a year of broken screen treasure + half a year after the cover + half-year extended warranty)]
[Vivo Nex Guides, News, & Discussion] Twotems:
What's case supposed to cover?
[Vivo Nex Guides, News, & Discussion] smisi:
here you have the case from the nex dual screen!
[Vivo Nex Guides, News, & Discussion] Number 8:
It's supposed to cover like 60% of the phone. The whole back side and the edges. With the dual screens thr case will cover 10%.

Lulz for the case above me, it's more of a frame than a case.

Anyway it's not the Nex2 and I'm satisfied with my nex for now.
[Vivo Nex Guides, News, & Discussion] Twotems:
Ermmm, it's a bumper style case and prevents the screens from touching any flat surface whilst still protecting it from shocks. They're very popular precisely because they're minimalistic whilst still protecting the phone effectively. I don't use them but I can understand why they're popular.
[Vivo Nex Guides, News, & Discussion] Number 8:
Bumper style case? First time I hear about 'em. Doesn't sound safe at all.

I can understand why they are not popular.
[Vivo Nex Guides, News, & Discussion] Twotems:
I guess you haven't shopped for cases too often? They're everywhere.
[Vivo Nex Guides, News, & Discussion] lortwarCECH:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0LLVxvEEjQ in depth look at phone, but it's all in chinese
[Vivo Nex Guides, News, & Discussion] paatha13:
https://liaow.com/vivo-nex-double-screen-blue-128gb.html

:rolleyes:;)

Let's see TradingShenzhen.com how much will cost usualy they offer much better prices than liaow.com

:fingers-crossed:
[Vivo Nex Guides, News, & Discussion] ShadyGame:
I'll pass, my next phone won't be a Vivo, I love my nex, but the lack of customization is a deal breaker for me, can't even root it... It's a shame.
[Vivo Nex Guides, News, & Discussion] blackinfinity:
Biggest problem with vivo phones as I see it is the high price. Vivo Nex was atleast a special phone that did justify the price little bit, but the competition is growing stronger every year. For the next phone I have no idea, I am open to buy Nex 2 if it gets the same wow factor as the vivo Nex 1 did.

But Vivo is no cheap phones, but if you really like the pop up camera solution vivo and elephone might be the only choice next year perhaps.

I dont want a notch or slider phone. Infinity O notch will be the next "cool" thing next year, I just despise it, I despise the notch and I really dislike the slider solutions too, atleast those manual ones, I like oppo find x solution, this phone have no fingerprint scanner, this is what held back some of its success, on the forums I have seen all people say they really want it if it had fingerprint scanner...

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Do we know if it has a new fingerprint scanner or is it just optimized software since it seem that it unlock faster then regular nex.

Personally I would had choosen a tradtinal fingerprint scanner on the back instead of this "gimmick". It took about 2 years for fingerprint scanners to become good when they first came I think it will take the same time for the in screen fingerprint scanners to become good, so next year they will probably suck less but still not as good so in 2020 they will have catch up, and it will probably be the ultra sonic based fingerprint scanners. No one have really thought that these optical fingerprint scanners have any place in the future, its just a gimmick, vivo knows it also, they just want to be first at something and they succeeded , it was fun and cool before oneplus and mate 20 pro got it and now it nothings specials its mainstream and not cool and unique anymore so now I want back a regular fingerprint scanner
[Vivo Nex Guides, News, & Discussion] paatha13:
It use 5th generation Vivo in display finger sensor that unlocked at 0.29 second.

Vivo Nex is using 3rd generation while 4th generation wearing Vivo X23.

It's still optical technology.

I'm curious if if 2019 Nex device will use ultrasonic finger sensor by Qualcomm or continue with optical again.
[Vivo Nex Guides, News, & Discussion] blackinfinity:
I dont think the time to unlock and speed is the main problem with optical fingerprint scanner solutions it is the reliability and fail-rate.

Its worse in cold climate too, I live in Sweden its cold here now so outdoors its pretty much useless.

I think Supersonic scanners is the only hope, this is an already doomed technology.

If the Nex 2 dont have supersonic scanner I will strongly consider any other phone...
[Vivo Nex Guides, News, & Discussion] paatha13:
Well I'm living in Mediterranean and even in winter average temperature is 15 degree C so I don't have any issues.:p

To me it's very reliable even few days temperature drop to 9-10 degree C and with cold hand didn't have any issue.

Only time had issue was July and August with temperature 35 degree C but again those period fingerprint sensor wasn't optimazed as it is from September and after.

To me 9 to 10 attempts is totally successful with one attempt so fingerprint sensor to me is reliable with very high level.

But again I believe ultrasonic sensor by Qualcomm will eliminate any kind issue optical sensor has now.

But keep in mind it's much more expensive than optical sensor even Samsung will use ultrasonic only at S10+ not the regular S10 version.
[Vivo Nex Guides, News, & Discussion] blackinfinity:
Biological differences will get different fail rates too. Due to my job I have to wash my hands with alcohol often it makes the finger kind of dry.

Anyway the fingerprint scanner is not acceptable too me.

Sometimes I wonder if the the NEX A would had been a better purchase I guess it would have even better battery life, and in real world performance I would probably not notice a difference. Anyway not many phones are perfect.. it stood between this one and note 9, and in the end it did come to price difference.

Most disappointing thing is that not many people seem impressed with the pop up camera, only the really nerdy people regular people are too stupid to realize what is happening and also realize the purpose of it, they dont even notice it has no notch at the top you know. Times have changes and we have come to a time where people seemply dont care what other people have as smartphone, we have taked for granted that all people have the latest and greatest so people don't put attention to it.

My Previous phone was the Mi MIX 1 and that phone did actually made people give me looks and I was noticeable but with this device no...

So the times when you can brag about a phone is over. At the same time it is kind of intersting times in the smartphone word thanks to the innovation storm from china. But we have also taken a lot of stuff for granted today which make smartphones more boring too.

I still remember the feeling I got with my first smartphone Samsung Note, it really felt revolutionary, and the video camera felt really good, now we take it for granted. Not one single person have asked what Phone I have, you have to ask people to put the phone side to side to notice the difference between theirs then they notice the screen to body ratio.
[Vivo Nex Guides, News, & Discussion] paatha13:
That's the reason you are having such high level fail rates all that time.

Alcohol make the finger loosing any moisture witch is necessary finger sensor to recognize you.

Me too after washing my hands with scoop I need few minimum so finger recover their natural moisture and then fingerprint sensor working absolute reliable.

If I tried to use my finger just seconds after had washed my hands with soop or after dishwashing the sensor won't work.

As I said need some minutes to recover moisture.

BUT if your job needed washing your hand very offen with alcohol then probably you should get another smartphone with traditional finger scanner.

And wait smartphone with ultrasonic finger sensor maybe then could not deal with same issue you are having now.
[Vivo Nex Guides, News, & Discussion] paatha13:
Really bad camera performance Vivo dual screen compared to Mix 3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dyqm_1iM9J8

Vivo has a lot of work to improve camera.

Disappointing results as it is today.

Also available for pre order at TradingShenzhen.com for 847 euro.

https://tradingshenzhen.com/en/vivo...riginal_en_ch/243-device_color-ice_field_blue

Much more expensive than 725 US dollars official Vivo price.
[Vivo Nex Guides, News, & Discussion] blackinfinity:
Yes but I dont have this problem with non in screen finterprint scanners... as of right now its just a gimmick, now its not cool anymore since its so common so I rather go back to a normal fingerprint scanner on the back.

Give me a in screen fingerprint scanner in 2020 when they have catch up.
[Vivo Nex Guides, News, & Discussion] paatha13:
To me one's you go in display finger sensor never go back.

On the back never use it with no one smartphone had it.
[Vivo Nex Guides, News, & Discussion] lortwarCECH:
I'm going to buy Vivo dual display, when i sell my nex s, it has 3d face scan( uses 300 000 scan dots more than iphone X), faster in display fingerprint, nice back screen, extraordinary back side. i like nubia x too but there is no global rom and bad camera,weak display etc. There are some weak points with this new nex: smaller battery, display and different dac.
[Vivo Nex Guides, News, & Discussion] lucadoc726:
How is camera quality for photos and videos of your Nex S? And you talk about a different dac on the dual screen : better or worse?
[Vivo Nex Guides, News, & Discussion] lortwarCECH:
camera is good video too dont have problem here.(but dont as good as mate 20 pro or note 9) and DAC, dual screen uses similar Dac From NEX A. Dual screen has AK-4377A. VIVO NEX S has CS43199
[Vivo Nex Guides, News, & Discussion] lucadoc726:
I start to think that Nex S is a better phone than Dual Screen, especially for quality price rating
[Vivo Nex Guides, News, & Discussion] lortwarCECH:
yes it is, dual screen is more innovative but at launch it is overpriced, i can buy it from 680 pounds. Still like that dual screen thing :D
[Vivo Nex Guides, News, & Discussion] lucadoc726:
[emoji6][emoji106]

PS: I watched the video of the test : it's a pity that the camera is not good for night photos and video in general, I hope that Vivo will improve the quality by releasing new software updates (on the News Site version too)

I'm writing from my almost 5 years old Vivo Xshot and searching for my next phone that has to be at least as good as mine [emoji2]
[Vivo Nex Guides, News, & Discussion] paatha13:
Good price for pre order Global version from Gearbest at 658 euro:good:

https://www.gearbest.com/cell-phones/pp_009215708765.html?wid=1349303

The bad news is that will ship by end of January so over 1.5 month until delivered to you.
[Vivo Nex Guides, News, & Discussion] wwyjoe:
Another buying option: https://www.splendor-ltd.com/products/vivo-nex-dual-display-edition-vivo-1813-unlocked

They're selling Hong Kong model (no Chinese apps) and already in stock as HK launch was on 21 Dec (earlier than china's launch on 29 Dec)!
[Vivo Nex Guides, News, & Discussion] lortwarCECH:
I recommend dont buy this phone yet. Upcoming CES 2019(8-12 january) lot of new phones, technology going to be annouced. Then price of vivo nex dual display go down rappidly. then is great time to buy this phone :) + phone software isnt in final stage.
[Vivo Nex Guides, News, & Discussion] blackinfinity:
Yes I do totally Agree, especially since Vivo have registred some trademarks recently which suggest new variants is on its way, I have no idea what this new models will include. But I wild guess could be that they will release a bigger variant, maybe in the same size as Mate 20 X., personally I really hope so since I think Nex S is while very comfortable to handle with one hand have too small screen experience, it is kind of obvious that there is "width" lacking in the screen, wich reminds me more like holding a phone like axon 7 or something but with little bit higher screen.

Other variants I have absolutely no clue what they have in store for us.. it will be exciting. Some of these will most likely include Snapdragon 855 aswell but I think first devices will probably not be out until Q1 or Q2.

Some other variants might include Slider design. I think all will be notchless designs since that is the what Nex series is about.

NEX S biggest problem is the price, but its a general problem with Vivo Phones, they fail to reach an attractive price point while their brand is strong in china its not in the rest of the world.

The world are not convinced of mechanical motorized solutions yet its clear, if you look around in polls most people dont want motorized solution, I think as I have said before most people are too scared about the motor to fail. We have to wait 2 years and prove all people wrong when they will see all motors most likely work without problems.
[Vivo Nex Guides, News, & Discussion] riz157:
I've ordered international version expected to arrive today. Really looking forward to it.
[Vivo Nex Guides, News, & Discussion] paatha13:
We are looking forward your impression and details feedback.:good::)

Did you get Chinese or Global version?
[Vivo Nex Guides, News, & Discussion] riz157:
I bought the global version. I'll post review and pics later today.
[Vivo Nex Guides, News, & Discussion] paatha13:
I'm thinking ordering from gearbest as I want this time global version so when you received it I will ask you some questions regarding similarities and differences software aspects between Vivo Nex Chinese version I'm having 5 months now and dual display version global version you'll get.

Some very specific features info and feedback not the known differences like having Google app and Google play store/services out of box or not having Chinese bloatware or using Google digital assistant and not Jovi Chinese digital assistant.
[Vivo Nex Guides, News, & Discussion] riz157:
I'll answer what I can for sure.

I don't see a thread specifically for nex 2.
[Vivo Nex Guides, News, & Discussion] paatha13:
Neither do I see specifically thread about dual display Vivo Nex so feedback and specific questions will be given over this topic.
[Vivo Nex Guides, News, & Discussion] riz157:
I'll create a new thread and post a review.

Anyone can a