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[OnePlus 6T  Questions & Answers] Swimguy14:
I have Chromecast set up on my Sony TV. I regularly cast screen from my Moto x, picture quality is superb.

On my new 6t, upon connection of the screen casting, I get a toast that says "screen casting not optimized for this device.". . I can see my phone screen on the TV but it looks very pixelated and just general awful quality - nowhere near acceptable.

Has anyone else had this issue and if not, what method do you use for screen casting? My TV also supports Miracast which is screen mirroring(the 'enable wireless display' option under cast menu) and that fails to connect whatsoever with this device (6t).

Any input would be much appreciated, thank you

&Mod please move to q&a if you can. Accidentally posted in wrong section
[OnePlus 6T  Questions & Answers] feezler:
I don't have any issues and I cast everything. I have a TMO 6t and I don't have regular cable. It could be an issue with your app? Have you been tied uninstalling and reinstalling? Make sure you are using the official Google app for screen mirroring. It works a lot better than other apps out there
[OnePlus 6T  Questions & Answers] Swimguy14:
I'm not using an app .I'm using the cast option under connection settings..
[OnePlus 6T  Questions & Answers] sharksfan7:
Yeah. This is something that has been bugging me since I noticed it a week or so ago. I have a Vizio 4k TV with a Chromecast built in. When I cast the screen of my 6t using the Cast button in Quick Settings, my TV reports it's only receiving a 720p signal. If I cast from YouTube Vanced, Netflix, HBO Go, the TV will report 1080p. If I cast a game from the NHL or MLB app those too are only 720p, although they do appear to be higher quality. However what bugs me the most is when I try to view photos or video taken with the phone's camera. I took some video at 1080p/60fps and when I cast it to the TV using Google Photos it will only cast at 720p and the video looks horrible. Same with pictures.

I tried VLC and it would cast in 1080p but 60fps video was really choppy. Also, if the video is recorded in portrait, it's rotated to landscape on the tv.

I tried AllCast and it cast in 1080p and was smooth with 60fps video. However, it doesn't handle videos in portrait properly either.

Any recommendations for an app that can handle casting local files at it's full resolution that also handles portrait video properly?
[OnePlus 6T  Questions & Answers] Archer:
I tried it after seeing you having problems, but it works fine for me. It's not as smooth as regular casting (as in streaming via Chromecast, rather than screen mirroring) but there's not much in it. I wasn't expecting much, to be honest, so I was pleasantly surprised.
[OnePlus 6T  Questions & Answers] Swimguy14:
Hmm interesting..well thank you for the input
[OnePlus 6T  Questions & Answers] Ionic_Flight:
My new Oneplus 8pro China 11In2020 build has problem too. Cast quality very poor. What to do? My recent Poco F1 was top notch with little delay. But 8 pro, I did not expect.
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[Google Pixel 2 XL ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Oth] slothdabski:
Reserved...
[Google Pixel 2 XL ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Oth] gregg0829:
Perfect. Can't wait to flash.
[Google Pixel 2 XL ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Oth] shindiggity:
Smart bar? Nevermind justvsaw it! Can you hide battery in stsus bar andvresize clock? Pulse?
[Google Pixel 2 XL ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Oth] slothdabski:
.View attachment 4655771View attachment 4655772
[Google Pixel 2 XL ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Oth] slothdabski:
Can hide battery but can't resize clock
[Google Pixel 2 XL ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Oth] shindiggity:
Are you getting closer to smartbar on Havoc?
[Google Pixel 2 XL ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Oth] slothdabski:
It is being tested before pushing to official source

https://github.com/Havoc-OS/android_manifest/commit/9a1f4cba4fd65434e8deab49082b75708c15d93f
[Google Pixel 2 XL ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Oth] shindiggity:
Nice can't wait, thanks for all these roms bro!!
[Google Pixel 2 XL ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Oth] andrewwdai:
how about safetynet check? Android Pay is vital to me.
[Google Pixel 2 XL ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Oth] slothdabski:
PassesView attachment 4655794
[Google Pixel 2 XL ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Oth] aoaleman:
Thank you! Going to try this now! :D
[Google Pixel 2 XL ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Oth] jlokos:
I don't know how you do it but thanks. I have been using this rom since you started building it. Terrific rom, great features and very stable.
[Google Pixel 2 XL ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Oth] crashniels:
is now playing working and showing on aod?
[Google Pixel 2 XL ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Oth] slothdabski:
It works but does not show on AOD
[Google Pixel 2 XL ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Oth] gforceriders:
So it looks like no Substratum support on this ROM. Tested and unable to apply any.
[Google Pixel 2 XL ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Oth] slothdabski:
For now build overlays. They will be in folder /.substratum on sdcard. then copy them to system/app and reboot. I have pointed this bug out to lead dev, hopefully it will be fixed soon
[Google Pixel 2 XL ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Oth] gforceriders:
Awesome! I did notice the folder on the sdcard. Yeah, I did try the old delete the folder and reboot but that didn't work. Will test this now.

---------- Post added at 05:21 AM ---------- Previous post was at 05:11 AM ----------

Worked like a charm man. Thanks for the quick reply and help.
[Google Pixel 2 XL ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Oth] ShynizZ.:
slothdabski you're God

Thanks so much for all those ports!

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Do I really need to wipe system? :confused:
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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] SH4YD33:
***WARNING***

Users have discovered that we cannot change the radio after flashing. There is a patched version that is still being worked on, that will allow you to flash other radios after flashing this radio in the near future.

BEFORE YOU EVEN THINK ABOUT FLASHING THIS RADIO OR DOWNLOADING THE NBH PLEASE SECURITY UNLOCK YOUR DEVICE!!

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=361236

IF YOU ARE STUCK WITH THIS RADIO TRY DUTTY'S HYBRID V2. IT WILL WORK WITH THIS RADIO.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=388947

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!!THIS RADIO IS A WORK IN PROGRESS, BUT HAS BEEN REPORTED TO HAVE THE SAME ISSUES AS THE ORIGINAL RADIO. Keep up the progress jockyw2001!!

Download HERE:

http://rapidshare.com/files/112111693/Kaiser_Radio-1.65.17.10-patched.zip

Here is the link to the ORIGINAL UNPATCHED RADIO NBH:

http://rapidshare.com/files/110401929/Kaiser_Radio-1.65.17.10.rar

!!THIS IS NBH ONLY!! DO NOT FLASH THIS. IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING, THEN THIS IS AVAILABLE FOR DIAGNOSTIC!!

Please report back your findings.

If you're going to post please say where you are from. As with all radios, your location may affect your performance.

This is ripped from the new ATT 19209 ROM, posted HERE:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=387378

IF YOU WANT A OS ROM THAT WORKS WITH THIS RADIO, TRY ANY ONE BASED OFF THE 19209 BUILD
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] P1Tater:
Just posting a mirror for everyone that hates rapidshare.

Thanks man for ripping out the radio for us.

Mirror << Do you feel lucky punk?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] AllTheWay:
Either that or working 12 hour days :)

[size=+2]Ok something is seriously wrong. I can not change the radio after installing this radio. Keep's going back to 1.65.17.10. Something is seriously wrong here.[/size]
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Macgyvec3:
They trapped you! Try using the SD or vise versa.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] AllTheWay:
I have tried to flash a ROM combined with the radio. Tried to flash from MicroSD, tried to flash the original AT&T shipped ROM that came with my phone. Nothing works. This is awesome :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Macgyvec3:
Try returning to shipped SPL and an OEM ROM. Then start over like a new phone.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] AllTheWay:
The ROM flashes ok but the radio doesn't change. NO matter what ROM I choose.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] scotchua:
Of course i read this right after i install the radio.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] AllTheWay:
Well let me know if you have this problem. Maybe it's just me.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] scotchua:
Nope, same problem. Haven't reflashed the rom, but tried flashing a new radio form my computer and my sd card. No luck.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Dinamitci:
Same here, first installed this radio and after I installed this rom which includes Radio 1.65.14.06, but mine still says 1.65.17.10 . I'm not having any sound/camera problems.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] scotchua:
I flashed just the radio posted in this thread.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Macgyvec3:
Have you tried flashing the new test rom the radio is ripped from then flashing to another ROM like the older test ROM or an OEM?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] AllTheWay:
Tried flashing all kinds of ROM's nothing works. I actually flashed to the AT&T 5.2.19209 the one that was released with the radio.

I am flashing back to the ROM and then going to try and change the radio.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Macgyvec3:
So you flashed the whole new test ROM with the radio or just the radio? Other than your post in the test ROM thread, no one else who flashed the whole ROM seem to be having this problem.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] thomassster:
alltheway...your radio days are over. you have went over the limit on testing. :D

I flashed fine. I'm guessing just redownload the radio...testing it right now. First call testing and GPS testing. I don't care about batteries since I charge almost everyday.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] AllTheWay:
I flashed the ROM with the radio.

I will try to flash another radio now, just re-flashed the AT&T ROM.

The 1.65.17.10 flashes fine...I'm talking about trying to change the radio after you flash it.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] scotchua:
Could just be that most of the people who installed the full rom haven't tried a new radio yet.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Macgyvec3:
I figured from their lack of enthusiasm, they were already running for their trusty ROMs.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] AllTheWay:
I noticed that was well. I have no idea. Never seen that before. Well looks like I will be using this AT&T ROM for a while LOL.

I have now dubbed this radio. "The Radio from Hell"
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] austinsnyc:
yes you have a seasoned hermes and kaiser cook stuck on this radio thats good with mtty and other **** ready to start testing let me know what you need me to do?/?

to jocky: I can't get your sec unlocker to run on Vista even when placed in the C:/ drive wtf? I was going to try and use the sec unlocker after i flashed this radio even though there is probably no point to it!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] GSLEON3:
What about hexing the versions numbers, "magic headers", etc. into a different (older) radio?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] jockyw2001:
Right, that makes no sense.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] GSLEON3:
Austin, I never got it to work via Vista. But I think you need the patched radio anyway for the Sec. Unlocker, no?

Jocky

, what about the AT@ commands. Could a person maybe use SSPL to flash over HardSPL1.0 with your AT@ command SPL for using the AT commands to unlock?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] austinsnyc:
figures and I trible boot linux mac and vista!!! oh well guess I'll be trying to get a spare drive for my laptop and install XP and go back to the 80's :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] dilmen:
Run command at administrative mode. rigth click and will see run as administrator
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] GSLEON3:
@ Jocky One last thing, the I gotta run for 30 min. What about patching this radio for use with your SuperCID + Security Unlocker??? You think since it wouls be the same radio, it could be flashed over the existing & then you SuperCID unlocker could be used to security unlock???

Seems to me that may be worth looking at.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] jockyw2001:
Nope, won't work sorry.

George, ping me when you're back.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] P1Tater:
Just wanted to say thank you jocky and to everyone trying to figure this out.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] cmonex:
sure, ask away. :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] cmonex:
heh, you are saying the same, but I was faster to post. :D

anyway, in my opinion programmers at HTC just cannot be *this* stupid. I did wonder if that was the case, but no, more likely that this was intentional :(

what is this general purpose unbricker? it would be nice to discuss that over msn :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] P1Tater:
I was trying to figure out the difference between Oli's CID tool and Jocky's CID tool that allowed ones with Jocky's to use this radio w/o limitations and others with Oli's are not. I'm trying to wrap my head around this whole situation.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] cmonex:
yeah, consider how it adds new possible values for a variable, that absolutely make no sense. I mean, one of the flags would mean the image is signed and needs to be checked, another is unsigned, and so on, but this new one seems to have no purpose.

you don't like the idea of an unbricker?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] cmonex:
NOOOO, you are not reading our posts. neither downgrade *nor* upgrade is possible!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] cmonex:
just answer on IRC then :P
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] cmonex:
what do you mean by saying Olipro's tool has limitations?

if you mean the sec unlock state, yeah, if you don't use the ATCommander to set it to unlocked, then you will lose it when flashing another radio, for example this new ****ty one.

other than that, both are fine. :)

but in both cases you must use the unlocker tools prior to flashing this crappy radio.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] P1Tater:
No, I'm sorry. I didnt mean to imply that it had limitations whatsoever. I see now though. Those that are stuck and did use Oli's never set it to unlocked via the ATCommander. I see now said the blind man. Once again, I didn't mean to imply anything.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] GSLEON3:
Sorry!!! :p I left IRC yesterday becuase of T1 issues & have had my T1 line down until about 20 min ago.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] GSLEON3:
sounds like you're also confussing two things, yuo need to keep Oli's patched radio on the device too, or have another that will allow for the AT@SIMLOCK commands
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] P1Tater:
LOL, I think I'm even more confused now.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Olipro:
since there is no other; you need my radio
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Olipro:
you know, I wouldn't be surprised if there's a 1.65.17.xx out there that doesn't have the same gay lockdown
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] AllTheWay:
I have tried to flash the 1.70 radio that you have Olipro can't seem to get it on my device.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] scotchua:
Hey I'm getting a pretty bad echo on this radio, which i hadn't really noticed as i've been to busy to talk on the phone much, but i was wondering if anyone else is experiencing it. Fortunately i'm not experiencing all the battery problems ATW is on this radio, but the echo is pretty annoying and i thought i'd see if it's just me. And thanks to all the pros working so hard to fix this issue for us.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] xcsdm:
It's a conspiracy

AT&T Did this intentionally to mess with all of the custom Roms and unlocked devices.

Probably has a time-bomb too that will complete erase our devices.

Okay, probably just me, everyone is out to get me today.

But seriously, I know that a lot of hard work and gear turning is going into a fix, and I'll pitch $50 into the effort. Just let me know who/how to send. It's not about a fix, but for the effort it is taking.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] JimmyMcGee:
I hope AT&T is not so daft as to alienate the enthusiast community. I mean we are the crazy people that pay for their Unlimited Data. We also spend ****-tons of money on phones and devices.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Olipro:
yeah, you can't and won't.

this isn't a conspiracy, Softbank *****ed to HTC about the Hermes unlocking and they made a special radio for them to disable flashing to prevent you from unlocking.

likely the exact same has happened here; AT&T *****ed to HTC they were losing money on discount devices getting unlocked and used on other networks.

you can look out for all new devices off the shelf to get shipped with this radio.

if you flashed this and you're security locked, you're *****ED*

All I can do is patch this radio version so that it's possible to re-flash again; prevention, not cure.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] frankanthonyjones:
does this apply even if you get the unlock code from at&t?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] SH4YD33:
Ouch. Seems like its time to use that WARRANTY REPLACEMENT. Since this is a ATT ROM.

I'l be removing the link to the full radio installer and just put a link to the .NBH. So people wont flash this radio.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Olipro:
yeah, that'll just sim unlock you.

also, I'm not entirely speaking the truth; getting the device in the embedded download mode to do a burn-in via QPST might be a possibility... any guinea pigs?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] GSLEON3:
I've got one thats still stuck in OEMSBL, trying to get it going with Jocky, but I'm down to 3 of 6 originally working Tilts/TYTNIIs. If I can get this one out of OEMSBL I'll try anything.

The problem is it's stuck in OEMSBL after a task 2a reset (Locked Unfortunately)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] jockyw2001:
I can prolly fix all of them incl the ones locked in 1.65.17.10

Still waiting for you George.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] cmonex:
no, don't worry, it wasn't taken as an insult or anything. :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] cmonex:
come back then!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] cmonex:
oh my god, what did you do to the other two? :rolls eyes:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] AllTheWay:
Well this sounds like promising news :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] GSLEON3:
I've tried 2 ping you twice!!! Guess we keep missing each other. I'm sending a link with the QPST from the 2a brick. I am in DL mode so I have the three files.

My name shows up as GSLEON3 on MSN/Live, are you not getting my messages?

EDIT:

ooops, wrong name, sorry Jarek B whoever you are. LOL
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] frankanthonyjones:
sim unlock

Is there a way to use my sim unlock code from at&t without having another carriers sim? I am at work and everyone seems to have at&t.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] dwsco:
Wow

Well, I logged in for the first time for several hours to see what was happening and now my head is spinning :)

Think I'll just have a seat and let the big boys play... and add my $50 to the pool for the fix tool. Actually I'm quite happy with the performance of this radio.. none of the problems others have reported, but it sure would be nice to not be 'stuck' with it.

Keep up the great work guys, and you have a guinea pig here, as long as the solution isn't as complex as your discussions among yourself :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] AllTheWay:
The money pot is at $200 now :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] sirooga:
Radio Performance

Well I would like to put in my 2 cents just about this radio's performance.(Not a big deal to people stuck with it but just for the sake of a review) I had amazing battery life and signal quality all day with this radio. Approx 3 hours of listening to podcasts on a2dp bluetooth, 1 hour talk time, 1 hour surfing web in HSDPA, and at the end of all that I still had 30% battery life...Probably better than any other radio I have tried here in So. Cal.