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[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] al mak:
What do U mean better?

What's the difference between this firmware and ota?

What about digital wellbeing, improved camera, adaptive battery and so on...

Do U have this features?
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] revanmj:
Both are OTAs, difference is that this is something called "full OTA". It means that it can be installed practically on any firmware as it's like full ROM image.

Typically you get something called "differential OTA" which can be installed only over specific firmware versions (since it only has files that changed between that specific version and the update, not full ROM image).

How many times this have to be said. Digital Wellbeing is Pixel and Android One exclusive. Nokia 8 is not part of Android One. Until Google changes that first part, you won't get it fully working.

It was also already said that, Adaptive Battery will come in a later update (January or February).
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] al mak:
I see, thanks :good:
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] ssrki:
Installed it, great. But one question, can't turn on wind down option. When I enter and switch to on, after closng all aps amd enter again wind down is set to off
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] ssrki:
See pictureView attachment 4673070
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Tolios1999:
Yes that's true. I've noticed it too. But it's better than nothing at all....
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] ssrki:
Yes, it's better than not having any
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] puroi:
Have Nokia 8, received just December patch, no other updates, is this normal? Do I need to do something?
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] al mak:
Just relax and wait, wait, wait... when final pie will come :laugh:
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] puroi:
Ok thanks, pie is announced for 8 for 2 weeks, I was thinking why my phone hasn't received yet.
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] revanmj:
Official support for Digital Wellbeing is required for this to work. So until Google will officially allow devices other than Pixels and Android One to install Digital Wellbeing, wind down and blocking will not work on Nokia 8.

This is staged rollout, so it takes time before it reaches everybody. It took about a month to reach everybody last year with 8.0 and 8.1 updates, so it will most likely be the same with Pie.
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] AlphaBawBaw:
First I experienced a screen burn in. I'm seeing a camera interface eerily overlaying on top of my main screen. I restarted and the screen burn in went away but my fingerprint sensor doesn't work anymore. So I went to fingerprint and cannot find any fingerprints there.

[IMG="Fingerprints gone"]https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JPNrI2du2U9tY4PVQPAPT_774SxF366l/view?usp=drivesdk[/IMG]

Then I tried to re-register my fingers prints and I got this following error.

[IMG="Cannot register"]https://drive.google.com/file/d/1M3fHT77W9syWWtI-Jqx5YJ62CEePEai_/view?usp=drivesdk[/IMG]
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] stuffynet:
Reboot
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] OxKing:
Is there a way to get back to oreo from pie? Without changing the bootloader or get root?

I've got the normal OTA Update of Pie on my Nokia TA 1004, but the compass and the OK Google function isn't working,

so i would like to go back and revert to that oreo before that faulty pie, because all worked well before the update.
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] al mak:
Just reinstall pie...

I have no any problems with pie at all
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Kiwironic:
Got the update 2 days ago, worked fine at first, now notification not working, cannot expand, cannot access settings from notifications, fingerprint scanner not working and all capacitive buttons except back button.

cannot root, flashing any pie boot image with TWRP endup stuck on nokia logo with no way of reboot or shutdown (until battery dies)
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] al mak:
Did U perform full reset of your Nokia after update?

I installed stolen pie dated 27 November and all works perfect... Except auto brightness )
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Whybal:
I Don't understand, screen burn on LCD panel?

I thought that only OLED screens suffered from this
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Kiwironic:
Cant do backup without root, so I didn't want to reset until I have backup first
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] b1g1an:
He obviously has no idea what screen burn is as it can't just go away but, yes, you can get a form of burn in with LCDs. Check out panels in shops etc that have been on static images for ages, does take far longer than OLEDs though.
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] webvan:
Has anyone walked around town with Google Maps and Pie ? Position was completely off today for me, no snapping to the closest road and the compass wasn't showing the proper direction either although I tried to calibrate it a few times.
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] al mak:
I heard the several complaints about compass&gps malfunctions...

There is no solution yet
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] OxKing:
GPS is fine for me, but the compass is acting all over the place.
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Mahdian57:
I've participated in Beta so updating wasn't pleasing to me specially lag in some simple app such Dialer or Message apps, so I decided to revert back to Oreo. but I tried to reset factory this Beta pie update so after a day It's so smooth and a bit better in Battery MGMT than Oreo and no lag else. Digital well-being by "pixel shortcut" app trick works well too.
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] webvan:
Thanks for confirming the compass problem.

The problem with GPS is the way it's handled by Google Maps while walking, jumps around to the point of being pretty useless. Hadn't noticed that in the past with my old P2 or even older Androids.
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] szabolcs5757:
So far I don't really know how to feel about this update. It's faster than Oreo and the battery is slightly better, but on the other hand there are some inconvenience. For example when I use the phone and I get a notification I freak out because of the sound of it coming from a reading distance. On Oreo I could turn off notification sounds while the screen was ON. Now I can't find this option. The other anoying thing is the DND mode. On Oreo there were 3 modes (full mute/only alarm/priorities or something like that. I don't know the proper english names) Now I can only choose ON/OFF and I need to manually configure it. It was great because during lectures I only needed to go full mute and when I went to sleep I just needed to use only alarm.

Also I noticed the compass problem that you guys have mentioned before but since I don't really use the GPS it doesn't bother me that much.

Can you give me some help about the issues that I've just mentioned? Maybe I'm just missing something.
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] TeddyBeers:
I drove around on gmaps and noticed exactly the same thing.

Basically freaks out sometimes, especially around tal buildings.
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] webvan:
Could it be Pie related in general ? I've seen people complain about that for the Xiaomi Mi 8 too.
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Sabretooth2438:
I haven't got my Pie update on Nokia 8

When they'll release for middle east

Or do they update in different standards
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] adz63:
Just noticed in location services on pie the is just location on or off. What happened to battery saving options etc
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] revanmj:
Google removed those options in Pie to simplify setting as they were "confusing for users".
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] MrBelter:
Turn off "Google Location Accuracy" in the Location settings to use GPS only.
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] adz63:
Cheers boss
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Whybal:
I'm TA-1012 user. Do anyone got the update?

The promise of pie was in November. Now we are in January.

We are still waiting...

Or maybe Nokia wants to surprise us and take us directly to Android 10?
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] machhho:
I have the Model TA-1052 and still no pie update
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] shashankkp12:
I hope they have stopped rolling out this bug filled update... I would rather wait a month than to get a buggy oreo makeover under the name of pie.
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Ahmed5:
The beta one actually hardly had any bugs. Why are you guys facing so many?!
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] al mak:
Forget about "nokia" promises...

It's ordinary Chinese company with only one goal - income...
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] webvan:
Not too many bugs here, I got my first reboot yesterday.

One thing that's really annoying is that the adaptive screen brightness is wonky, always too dark. It's supposed to learn when you adjust it but I've seen zero evidence of that!
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Aryavart:
Dude,idk but I downloaded the update file and restarted my phone and I got the system update....
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] pepino34:
The charging problem still remains, after charging by original charger, it will stop charging after a few seconds.
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] uchihakurtz:
So many people complaining about different bugs. Guys, it is highly recommended for major update to do a factory reset before and after installing, there might be some left over codes or whatever that will interfere with daily usage. I've been on Pie for a month and no problems so far.
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Jacobofski1:
I have been on Pie for two weeks and i have yet to come across a major error. No reboots, nothing out of the ordinary.
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] ihawk98:
I have been on Pie for 2 weeks and not much issue with my phone except for some apps not working in Pie. Some other apps that had issues with Oreo work better for me now too.

It's been a good update for me overall.
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] ajgftw:
Both HMD and Nokia are Finnish companies.

Also, all businesses have the goal of making profit.

If they weren't trying to make a profit then they would be a charity.

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Same here, I always do a full factory reset/wipe of any device when upgrading to a new OS version. I do it on all my android devices and have done so for nearly a decade.

At the moment I am running the android Pie beta and I put the official Pie release on my girlfriends identical Nokia 8. Zero issues on either device.

So anyone that is having issues and hasn't done a full wipe and reinstall of Pie should just go do that.

If you still have the issue afterwards, then it's worth reporting here.
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Ak's World:
Is OTA update will continue after flasing this pie update??
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] ajgftw:
I suspect yes.

I'm hoping yes anyway as I flashed that OTA on my girlfriends phone and she will be annoyed if I have to manually flash the updates every month :p

If you had previously registered for the beta program through Nokia then it would be wise to make sure you have unregistered your device as that may confuse the OTA updates but otherwise I don't see why you wouldn't receive future OTA updates.

Obviously until the next OTA update is released its not possible to say so with 100% confidence.

Either way, all of the OTA updates and patches have been posted to these forums as they have been released and can be flashed manually... In fact I haven't bothered waiting for an official OTA really since I bought the phone haha I just flash them.
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] shashankkp12:
How to unregister? I searched a lot but couldn't find a way to unregister. I also didn't get the pie beta ota, even i was registered
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] ajgftw:
I'm not sure sorry. I never registered for the beta myself.
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] al mak:
Finnish company? lets dig deeper and look at microsoft's statement: "Microsoft Corp. on Wednesday announced it reached an agreement to sell the company’s entry-level feature phone assets to FIH Mobile Ltd., a subsidiary of Hon Hai/Foxconn Technology Group, and HMD Global, Oy for $350 million. As part of the deal, FIH Mobile Ltd. will also acquire Microsoft Mobile Vietnam — the company’s Hanoi, Vietnam, manufacturing facility. Upon close of this deal, approximately 4,500 employees will transfer to, or have the opportunity to join, FIH Mobile Ltd. or HMD Global, Oy, subject to compliance with local law."

also look at https://www.hmdglobal.com/about/#people - only sellers. where are former nokia technical specialists?

also look at http://www.fih-foxconn.com/investors/Download.aspx?ID=1201

also look at https://www.nokia.com/sites/default/files/Nokia_CMD_2016_04_Nokia_Technologies.pdf (p.25)

so, all business (r&d, production, distribution) are in the hand of the chineese fih mobile&tns subsidiaries... this guys uses word "nokia" only as the symbol of the dead finn giant...

profit is not the goal of the business at all. in any successful business profit is the result of satisfaction of the customers needs...

apple satisfies their customer's (by giving them unique products/price) and they vote for apple by their wallets...
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] ajgftw:
So, brushing over your rather broad generalisation of the way in which Chinese companies conduct business, your original inference was that Nokia was a Chinese company and their priority was essentially income at the cost of trustworthiness.

I simply pointed out that Nokia and HMD are both headquartered in Finland and as such can be considered to be Finnish companies.

You are of course correct in suggesting that all of the devices that HMD produce under the Nokia brand are manufactured by Foxconn.

But Foxconn is of course is a Taiwanese company, not Chinese and while Foxconn does have 13 factories in China, they also have factories in Brazil, Hungary,Slovakia, Turkey, Czech Republic, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, Turkey and even the US.

You also seem to have confused strategy with outcome in regard to business. All businesses are working towards the same outcome, making money. Where they differ is in the strategy that they use to reach that outcome and how highly the customers satisfaction is prioritised by that strategy.

Personally I would suggest that Nokia/HMD are actually more committed to customer satisfaction that Apple is, because let's face it, if Apple thought the customer was important they wouldn't so readily implement planned redundancy and obsolescence into their devices.

Anyway, what do I know, maybe your right and Nokia is just an "ordinary Chinese company". Just an ordinary Chinese company that's based in Finland who outsources manufacturing to a Taiwanese company. You know, like Apple.
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] MrBelter:
No problem :)

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I'm not sure the shareholders would agree with you. If it was all about customer satisfaction then products would be sold at cost value and not sold with eye watering profit margins. Apple could easily sell its top phone for £500 and make a profit and absolutely dominate the world but it chooses to charge £1449 and laugh all the way to the bank.
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] al mak:
Yeap, the same thought has thousands shareholders all around the world. And when bankruptcy knocks on the door all this wiseman doesn't understand what's a going on...

I agree, without doubts, that profit is the yardstick for any business.

Tell me why I should pay £800 for the Nokia 8 sirocco instead of buying iPhone X for the same price as Nokia?
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] THMSP:
OTAs will continue to work unless you modify the system in any way. Sideloading the OTA is just what the phone would do anyways in the background,

just without the randomness factor a staged rollout introduces.
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Haleytheslayer:
I join the beta program then downgrade to 8.1 to get the official OTA. After i got pie update, my phone many times randomly restart itself, especially when low battery or i open many apps ( and when i open antutu benmark, it immediately reboot ). I try to downgrade by sideloaded a June-2018 firmware but i couldn't stay in 8.1 anymore, it force me to download the pie update. Then, my issue continue happening...What should i do guy, wait for January update or try to sideload another firmware version, pls advise...
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] TeddyBeers:
Does anyone else having any problems with 5 GHz WiFi?

Since upgraded to PIE + factory reset, phone constantly dropping 5ghz connection every few minutes, sometimes 5min, the other time 10min.

Definitely nothing to do with the router as every other devices works fine.

2.4GHz works absolutely fine.
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] ajgftw:
I haven't experienced any similar issues with my 5GHz WiFi at home (D-Link router) or around my university Campus.

After the upgrade +factory reset did your previously remembered WiFi network info sync back to your phone?

I did have an issue with a old phone where the wifi starting acting weird after a factory reset and in the end I reset/deleted all the saved WiFi networks and put them all in again from scratch and everything was better.

Might not work or help, but could be something to try if you haven't already?
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Ahmed5:
I'm just going with the flow. Although it does but quite less, only when it gets heated up (I'm just avoiding using phone during charging)
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Haleytheslayer:
I solve my problem already. I chose the firmware from [MENTION=9309516]THMSP[/MENTION] to sideload and followed all the download come from system after that ( it will back to Oreo and automatic download the Pie again; remember unregister the beta program ). After finish all, my phone work perfectly without any problem now, thanks [MENTION=9309516]THMSP[/MENTION] for a great firmware you gave :good::good::good:
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] al mak:
I have no any problems with my 5ghz Netgear 6200 at all
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Ahmed5:
I'll just wait for any update to be released this month. It's not much of a big deal for me.
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] xe1d:
Did anyone get Pie update in Poland?
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] shashankkp12:
How did you unregister from nokia beta program?
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Haleytheslayer:
After validation your device, scroll down and you will see this option
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] shashankkp12:
Thanks
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] MDV106:
Still no PIE update on my TA-1012 device :(
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] dedovec:
Maybe this update is canceled because of the bugs etc. Maybe HMD will release improved version, who knows... I wonder who will test the stability of the new version? There is no beta, nor a statement from HMD for this.

In general HMD is a big joke. Nokia 8 Sirocco is a part of the Android One program, and still there is no available Pie update for this phone.
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] ajgftw:
You can just manually flash it, why wait?

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Which bugs?
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] dedovec:
Do you really asking me this question? Did you use Pie? I was on Pie for couple of days- its a total crap, full of bugs, lacks of features. Read the Nokia community forums. I have no time to explain to you. In general- every single problem, mentioned in the Nokia community forum was "available" on my device, even after factory reset.
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] pecholino:
by the time you wrote this useless post, you could have mentioned a few bugs instead.
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] dedovec:
Oh, really? Please, forgive me! I will take a note! [emoji1787]
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] ajgftw:
I have had the final beta Pie on my Nokia 8 since it's release and the official Pie release on my girlfriends Nokia 8 since it's release.

So, yes, I have used Pie.

And I haven't had a single issue on either phone.

Just because during your few days using it you had some issues doesn't mean it's like that for everyone.

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Maybe it would help if you did take notes?

If you want help with an issue or to investigate a possible bug, by all means, ask questions, document your experience, collect evidence and you might actually learn something. This is XDA-Developers after all.

But If you just want to have a whinge and then be sarcastic to whomever responds then I think the site your after is Facebook.com
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] MDV106:
Im new on this forum and I dont axactly know the easiest way of doing it manually. Plus im kinda scared of experiencing all these issues I have seen from several posts in this thread like wifi problems and stability issues.
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] ajgftw:
I guess in that case it's not so bad that you haven't got the update yet?

It will be the same update no matter when or how it arrives.

While you wait you could always start reading up on how to manually install updates and gather any of the files you might need in preparation. As this will be the same knowledge you'll need to downgrade or recover if you do have any issues.
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] galvakojis:
this is tricky :D

i register on Nokia's beta labs, but never upgraded to pie (still using Oreo), now i see, that o can "Revert over-the-air" to Oreo 8.1 which is also exist on my phone at the moment :D

also i don't get update to normal Pie :D

So what to expect?

Reverting back to Oreo 8.1 when i have Oreo 8.1? :D
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Optimus_Toaster:
I updated to android pie using the zip folder + dialer code method. However pie is garbage cause of the new notifications, quick access and recent apps menu.

Can I go back to 8.1 without unlocking the bootloader?

EDIT: You can by downloading a full oreo zip and installing it through adb or the recovery menu off an sd card.
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] TeddyBeers:
Don't you dare touching this button.

You'll end up in downgrade bootloop and your phone will constantly download 1.6GB file.
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] galvakojis:
ups too late, i press it, and my phone tried to download update for a few times, but now it stopped. Sadly i still don't get a Pie update :/
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] MDV106:
welp, I think the only way i'll bother upgrading to pie at this point is if im guaranteed much better battery life
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Manuj4321:
Ok got it... My Nokia 8 is on pie... But many features are still missing as digital wellbeing, adaptive brightness, navigation gestures... Even the gestures provided in pie are same as Oreo... Other than these phone is working fine...

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I don't understand why Nokia is not providing official OTA for pie update... if these all features are only to be given... Why they are facing and hearing controversy from Nokia 8 users...
[Nokia 8 Guides, News, & Discussion] Fablos:
Adaptive Brightness? Explain this to me... (Attachment)

Running Pie for some days and every Bug I've noticed was minor stuff I don't care for.

But Battery and the DAC seem to be much better with Pie.

Also no problems with Magisk 18.

And keep away from my Module with the WatchDogs Bootlogo - It prevents boot since they moved the Logo Files with Pie. Made new one but I'm lazy... I'll add it to repo sooner or later.