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[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] gen5000:
got 10.0.0.180 via HiCare on LYA-L29

looks like I dont have some features like: Clock Style in Always On Display !!!

why so? is it not available on Mate 20 Pro?

Please someone reply, thanks :)
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] nambavuong:
Wait. Q1 2020 HW will update aod on m20 and p30 series ;)
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] gen5000:
Sounds really great :) ---

1) when do you think we can expect that

2) will it be worldwide at the same time or familiarly random ?

Thank you for your reply
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] LegoDK83:
180 dropped in Denmark on Telenor Network today I was on 154 before
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] Rhadamanthis:
In italy arrived for LYA-L09 10.0.0.180 432 version.

Inviato dal mio LYA-L09 utilizzando Tapatalk
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] asleksander:
10.0.0.180 updated today's morning in Poland. Finally [emoji1]

Wysłane z mojego LYA-L29 przy użyciu Tapatalka
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] miloshsk:
Just got 10.0.0.180 from 9.1. UK EE, single sim, but used Vodafone network to get the update (wasn't getting anything on EE).
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] Stransky:
Is your phone Sim free ?
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] Apad121:
Was this a carrier locked EE mate 20 pro?
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] miloshsk:
It wasn't locked, I could always use other SIM cards in it, hence using Vodafone to get the update.
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] DoobyDroid:
That sucks I'm on Vodafone 9.1 unlocked no update for me [emoji24]
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] szucszoli:
I talked with Huawei Italy, and they told me, that the EMUI 10 update for "that region" will launch at the end of this month January.
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] coobs9:
Fingerprint issues with 10.0.0.180

Hi, fingerprint scanner worked just terribly after upgrading to 10.0.0.180... Anyone experiencing the same? I could not stand it therefore rolled back to 9.1.0.358 via HiSuite.
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] SreePillai:
I've been on. 180 since Saturday with no issues whatsoever.
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] Manneman32:
Just reset the old scannerinfo and make new scans... should work.
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] speedstream:
anyone else having an issue where mobile data just shuts itself off when the device goes in standby? the only way to reestablish mobile data is to toggle it off for a few seconds the toggle it back on.....i'm on 10.0.0.182
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] coobs9:
Tried with no effect :(. Thanks anyway! ?
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] da4o98:
Anyone else notice any brightness difference after 10.0.0.180 update? I had the brightness almost always in the middle (~50%) and now the screen seems a little darker to me at that brightness level after the update.
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] ilos:
nothing in France LYA L29C unbranded still on 154
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] nostromo76:
Confirmed, .182 firmware saves more juice, battery lasts 2 days again :D ... Didn't notice any problems with mobile data neither brightness.

Regards, my Mate 20 Pro is LYA-L29 (C605), located on United Kingdom
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] Manneman32:
You mean *.180, right? I have seen a couple of members that has mentioned *.182 so I started to wonder :confused:
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] speedstream:
no, .182. I switched to Greece and got the .180 and .182 updates....in hindsight ig I knew I was going to have these problems I would have waited. It's pretty annoying to have the mobile data just keep turning itself off
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] steveli92:
I had the same problem too. Try to delete your old APN settings and make a new one for your carrier. I think the update somehow corrupted the old APN values.
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] speedstream:
yeah bro. i tried resetting network settings, I tried resetting the apn to defaults, deleted it and let the apn recreate itself from the provisioning server. i found some settings for the huawei p30's apn and tried that. still no luck. i'm loathing doing a factory reset on the whole thing, but that might be where i'm headed.
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] sajokj:
Singapore Starhub and Singtel also waiting...
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] merewood bebox:
just checked, i saw two satellites with the same ID for a short while but nothing after. Screenshot attached
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] Koong1:
Got try hisuite already? I will try hisuite when I get home today.

BTW, my phone don't have starhub or singtel customs carrier patch. Because went replace screen, so should be international unlocked.
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] sajokj:
Let me also try using hisuite. Never used hisuite. Not sure how it works.
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] rakesh2002:
Looks like dual band GPS is not activated yet :(

Even Xiaomi Mi 8 has Dual GPS activated. Why is Huawei lagging behind? it is just a matter of implementing API:

GnssStatus.getCarrierFrequencyHz()

146 update says google maps is more accurate now how accurate? how can we check that? what is the proof?

Source:

https://medium.com/@sjbarbeau/dual-frequency-gnss-on-android-devices-152b8826e1c
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] Koong1:
It is the PC counterpart for your m20p. It can backup your device data and help to check for newest updates. Download from Huawei sg website. Just search for hisuite.
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] sajokj:
Thank you for the details. will try and update.
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] alexxutzu:
Did anyone notice that after 146 update the 5x zoom is not anymore in standard (tap icon)? Now you have only Wide-1x-3x and for 5x you must select it manual.
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] keyz86:
.146 update this morning in UK for unlocked device.
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] adrianstefan:
Orange, Romania

Just received here in Romania:)
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] henihazbay:
Still no 2 satellites? Maybe the reason it disappeared is because it was locked already to your location?
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] maverick1103:
Finally got the .146 update, like others I had to do it via Hisuite, which I must say isn't the best of Apps I've used.
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] Duncan1982:
Yeah it's not the best I must say, took me 3 attempts to get it installed....:p

Glad you finally got it bro....:good:
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] maverick1103:
Thanks!

Yeah, I kept getting messages that I couldn't do a backup because I didn't have the latest backup app installed from Google Play, when I did have the lastest version. After I did the update it then let me do a back up using the Hisuite app, so it's a good job the update doesn't do a wipe! :silly:
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] turt:
Finally got the OTA update, Hisuite didn't prompt me any update. Patience did :o
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] Fafner76:
I got it as OTA about 2 hours ago, finally (Switzerland).
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] merewood bebox:
The

Maybe, but I'm not getting that 30cm accuracy that they were claiming. Not a big deal but thought the feature would be usable etc. GPS works, just not as well as in thought it would
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] Li-Pol:
Got 146 update in Israel, OTA.
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] benbird7:
Not wanting to deviate from the topic but for those of you having a problem backing up via HiSuite (or who don't want to use a PC) and are used to having a micro SD card in their phone. You can get one of these off amazon and backup to a USB stick using the baked in backup and restore program. Works well and is good for peace of mind for those of you that want a backup.

[IMG="OTG Cable"]https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71rdMI3ZvaL._SY355_.jpg[/IMG]
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] maverick1103:
Great share and I wouldn't say you are deviating in the slightest, backing up your phone is part of updating your phone :good:
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] nostromo76:
I forgot to mention I upgraded via "dload" method, so, factory reset was mandatory ;)
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] optiplus:
Can you explain all the steps that you use, because I´m on 9.1.0.348 and this don´t upgrade. I´m on Lya-L29 C432

Regards
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] nostromo76:
Is easy. You need an OTG cable, format an ext4 pen drive, and download the ROM files to the thumb drive. When downloading the ROM will already be the dload folder in it, just copy the dload folder to the pendrive, where inside the dload folder will be the 3 files of the ROM.

The rom is in this link: t.ly/AqE2O

After that, just type in the dialer: *#*#2846579#*#* and go to option software update.

It will update and reset the device with the new ROM.

https://youtu.be/5rQi37wrGWY

Credits to the video's owner
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] optiplus:
My rom is (C432E10R1P16) and this one is (C432E7R1P5) is not a problem? and the future OTA is everything ok

Regards
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] nostromo76:
No problem at all dear friend, proceed and chill :good::victory:
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] optiplus:
Yes I have a problem, I register to download the file, but don´t receive the mail to confirm, and I try with 3 different emails, strange ?????
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] nostromo76:
Don't know about that friend ... do you check your spam folder? I've been using this site since mate 10, then mate 10 pro, then mate 20 and now mate 20 pro, they post real good firmware :D
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] optiplus:
They ask me for an upgrade my package... WTF

"Package not able to download

Sorry for interrupting you, but your current active package limits is not enough to continue for download, we encourage you to get higher package with higher limits"
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] jazzsalt:
Just got the November (!) security patch. It's January 15th ...

It's 9.1.0.358 (C432E10R1P16) on Vodafone UK.
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] DoobyDroid:
Smae just look UK voda November taking mick now lol
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] jazzsalt:
LOL - now just got the notification for the EMUI 10 update - 10.0.0.180
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] DoobyDroid:
Yep just checked via hicare and boom it's there happy days [emoji106]
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] The_One2000:
UK Vodafone here. Nada. Single sim & unlocked.
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] Gamm86:
Just updated to 10.0.0.180 through OTA and have 2 issues:

- 4G keeps turning itself on and off (extremely annoying)

- Recent apps button doesn't work anymore

EDIT* Rolled back to 9.1.0.358.

10.0.0.180 is too buggy for me.

EDIT** recent apps not working properly was because I removed the stock launcher.

Updating to 10.0.0.180 from stock 9.1.0.358 (without debloating, incl. removing stock launcher) did the trick.
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] HWalter:
Just received 9.1.0.358 update, on PAYG Three UK, with November Security Update, (Phone Model - LYA-L09)

No change log and no package size given, but looks like a big one (Gb's)
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] jfenlon01:
UK, Vodafone, single sim.

Woke up to today to an update, thought my time for EMUI 10 had finally arrived, but no, it was the December security patch 9.1.0.358. Booo.

Anyway it finished installing and I checked the update manually and there is 10.0.0.180! Downloading as we speak.
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] tyw7:
Just got the 10.0.0.180. Vodafone UK. Unlocked device.

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Check for update again. The 10.0 update is installed after the November update.
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] The_One2000:
I've had the November update for a few weeks and no sign of an update for me..
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] Tdjee:
.180 arrived as OTA for Vodafone Netherlands
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] blackspp:
This took forever but I also received .180 today in the Netherlands. KPN SIM.
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] berger brave:
Is it for real? How was your battery life before .182? I charge my device twice a day on .180
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] no.one.writeme:
Hi [MENTION=9350973]All[/MENTION],

Just an heads up.

Portugal, unbranded phone, Vodafone SIM, yesterday got OTA for EMUI 10.0.0.180 ( previously with 10.0.0154 patch 01 ).

Best regards.
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] nostromo76:
Good morning ! In my experience with .182, battery lasts 2 days again (before that I was on .154).

To workaround the loss of data-network do enable "developers options" and then switch "mobile data always on" (does not affect battery for me).

Regards!
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] berger brave:
Thanks, I was thinking of rolling back to Pie but now I'll just wait for version 10.0.0.182.

Regards.
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] giorgoxxi:
I am on EE (UK) and got the update 2 days ago. I am on .180 and the battery is phenomenal, almost 25% better.
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] andybondy:
I am on EE on the L09 handset. I guess it's just a matter of time now.
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] Stransky:
Hi

Are you carrier locked or Sim free, I ask because I am with EE and still on Oct security and no updates since either security or a hint of EMUI 10.
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] andybondy:
I am on a carrier locked single sim device on EE(UK) on 9.1.0.346 and the October security.

It'll happen but as a rule of thumb from experience, I expect the update one month after my colleagues unlocked L09 device on EE.
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] MechanteMiette:
And here it is in France (BYTel) via HiCare! Download in progress.
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] giorgoxxi:
I'm on a SIM free L09 with EE. I've had 2 updates since the October patch.
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] kv1dr:
Finally EUMI 10 for me too. I got it the same day as my cousin for P30 Pro
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] Gungcho:
Wanted to transfer some music to the phone from my laptop, connected (with the cable) and boom - 180 is there amd it is a big update
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] kv1dr:
Does anyone have problems with keyboard closing in EMUI 10? As soon as I start typing the keyboard closes and opens again. This happens multiple times and it's very annoying. I tried reinstalling GBoard, I tried clearing cache but it didn't help at all. It happens on GBoard and also on SwiftKey.
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] Gungcho:
Nope, so far haven't encountered any bugs that were mentioned.
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] dodgebizkit:
I had this problem and the app closing... I think it was malware as I deleted a lot of weird apps like "crop video edit" and the like and the problem seems to have gone, so far.
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] memphisuklf:
I'm on O2 in the UK on a unlocked ly09 and have the November security update. No emui 10 so far though. Stuck my sons EE sim in and hey presto, update available.
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] fuzzybearcow:
emui 10 just popped up, giffgaff
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] ricciohu:
Telekom HU, unlocked LYA-L29.
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] MarcWhittle:
Finally. O2 single sim UK, checked hi care and emui 10 update is live ???
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] x2srj:
Do you know if EE is branded? That's the second SIM in my phone and they've told me the only way I can use the London Underground free with EE is to have that as my number 1 SIM, but I don't want the bloatware it might bring with software updates - it's a SIM free phone. Ta
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] HWalter:
Just received 10.0.0.180 update, on PAYG Three UK, with December Security Update, 4.55gb (Phone Model - LYA-L09)
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] memphisuklf:
Not sure what you mean by branded? It doesn't have all the ee bloatware.
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] x2srj:
Sorry, I didn't explain myself very well.

I've a dual sim phone, Sky SIM 1 and EE SIM 2. It's unbranded in terms of software/no operator bloatware and that's the way I want to keep it.

I can't connect to the London Underground WiFi even with a login if the EE SIM is in SIM 2 tray. But what I don't know is if I swapped the SIMs over so EE is SIM 1, am I going to get EE branded software/bloatware when updates become available?
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] memphisuklf:
I didn't so don't think you would.
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] Stransky:
I have the Mate 20 Pro on EE contract on Android 9.1 (waiting for 10) and there is no EE bloatware on the phone, only Hauwei.
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] siao7:
10.0.0.180 on LYA-L09 arrived this morning, O2 in UK.

Looks good so far
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] hawkwind:
Just had notification of 10.0.0.180 on 3 UK

Going to have to wait until I get home though because of the stupid only download on WiFi setting.
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] beta199:
Mate 20 Pro from Three UK, just received EMUI 10 over the air 10.0.0.180.
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] zolaisugly:
I'm on 3 UK contract lya l29, have only just received the .358 update, how long after .358 did you get 10.0.0.180? I checked almost daily and not getting notification via either OTA or HSuite.
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] hawkwind:
You could try erecovery
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] andybondy:
So my friend on his, unlocked L09 in the UK took out his EE sim and tried a Vodafone Sim. Boom! EMUI 10.. I'm on a locked L09 and on EE-UK so nothing. Not on HiSuite or OTA.

And anyone who asks EE will get the same nondescript response. [emoji2357]
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] zolaisugly:
I'm happy to wait....don't want to loose data with resetting phone and go through the hassle of setting it up from scratch.

Was just curious how long you waited from .358 to .180
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] hawkwind:
You won't lose data if doing an update with erecovery.
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] beta199:
I upgraded to. 358 a few days ago, less than a week ago. Then I checked last night via the HiCare app and served me the update. Interestingly enough, checking the update from the settings (OTA) this morning shown no update available (I did not update last night). Then going back to HiCare and checking again, served the update again.
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] louz:
I already upgraded today through eRecovery in Austria without making a Backup... it's works perfect....i didn't lose anything... cheers
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] juv3nal:
:good:
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] hondasoma:
Well, I'm back to emui 9.1 forever! The 10 was 0.180. Horror! The battery lasts up to 24 hours! While 9.1 was that it can take 32-34 hours.
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] anu3682:
did you try a factory reset before downgrading?
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] hondasoma:
Yes, it was all. Unfortunately, the base clock may have been raised and this may be causing the phenomenon. Many people say the system is faster.

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There is a way to speed up. Developer Options: Window Animation, Default: 1.0 if you change it to 0.5 spectacular results! (much faster than 10)
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] priyansh17:
Finally got upgrade in India yesterday

Updated to 10.0.0.183

Smooth at the 1st look, will review for sometime for overall experience

Not sure but SwiftKey keyboard started working quite well suddenly with predictions
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] zolaisugly:
About week later and I get update via HSuite.

Got the .180 update Sunday night, it seems smooth and no lag.

Unfortunately some of the apps I use are no longer compatible either won't start or open but then the screen freeze's.
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] F4c3st4r:
I hate the Update on A10. First i get the 154 and the batterytime was terrible, then i update on the 180 and it is Not better. The Screen on time is between 4h and 5h. The only Game i Play is Pokémon Go for 1 or 2h a day. I know That Take many Battery, but under A9 i have a batterytime from 6-7h. Know i must think what i do with the smartphone over the day, when I cant charge.

What Chan i do? Had other people the Same Problem?

I hope for help....
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] andybondy:
Someone I know who has had the update says putting the phone into Performance Mode for games solved any stutter he has. Maybe worth a try?
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] bobbylechat:
I have been running 180 for weeks o, even months i think, and battery life hasn't changed at all here
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] ekkelon:
Hello everybody ..... I have a question ... in my LYA-L29 I have installed no brand version 9.1.346 (C431E10R1P16) do you know if the version of EMUI 10 file is available to use with DLoad!? Or can I use the FW C432 in my device!? Please can you update the download link for FW L29 dual SIM version .... it isn't available ...

Thank you.
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] beta199:
Same here.
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] Shempz:
Hi all,

Has anyone with a Mate 20 Pro locked to Vodafone UK actually received an EMUI 10/Android 10 update yet OTA or via HiSuite? I'm still on 9.1.0.358.
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] slyguy0:
Canada. Got the 10.0.0.182 update this morning.
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] djnield:
Is it purely the mobile provider that pushes the updates through?

Mine is sim free and I use 3 of the 4 UK sim providers but still stuck on 9.1.0 November patch.
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] pogi.paul0119:
Does the latest emui 10 180-82 breaks the WiFi calling on any of you guys? Mine would not activate, it stays on VoLTE. It is activated in the settings.. Not a network issue my wife's Apple 11 has no problem..
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] djpeesh:
Works for me.
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] BlueMeany68:
Thats bizarre. If its SIM free then would have thought it would be on 10 now. I've got a 3 SIM and Virgin SIM. Mine has been on 10 for ages, currently on 10.0.0.180

There are a couple of tricks on the forum that may force an update, can't remember off hand... but try from the 'Support' app and there is an update option/icon in there under Quick Services.
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] djnield:
We bought two mobiles at the same time, both use EE, and the other has been updated. Tried Three and Voxi sims but that hasn't pushed it through. Also tried the support app to check for updates and no luck there.
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] x2srj:
Wife, single sim on Sky Mobile received update to 10 yesterday
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] roakru:
I have the same problem. But on me was not right after the update and start gradually, now is worst. On normal use (social media and messaging apps only[Wi-Fi on, but not in use, GPS, mobile data on, NFC off, auto light display, power saving mode off) 4-5 hours maximum.

But lately I notice something, when I charge to 100% the battery dying faster than I charge to 85%, or it's just my imagination and apps that are closed (even in background) are opening slower than before.

P.S. : after update, no reset of the phone

Anyone else experience this?
[Huawei Mate 20 Pro Questions & Answers] AdnaksM8:
When are we going to get the update with support for customisable AOD?

Also, after the latest update, calls are not going through when using VoLTE. Not always but it was never an issue before and it does happen more frequently than I can just ignore it