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[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] gman88667733:
Update on this, a few weeks on.

Battery life is decent enough, I still get 1-2 days from it with my light usage, heavy usage gets about 7 hours SOT. I'd imagine the 6T is far better though.

It is very fast, I'm yet to notice any slow downs or lag at all, it does everything quickly.

The camera is a mixed bag.. the stock camera app I've found to be slow to capture, but GCAM fixed this. Quality of photos is decent, I still prefer my old Nexus 6P I think though, but this is definitely good enough for most people and if a big upgrade from the Z play.

The screen is fantastic, not as bright as the Z play, but it is lovely to look at.

I think I've covered everything that most people care about.

Overall, I am happy with the upgrade, I wouldn't want to go back to a small screen again I think. It isn't exactly incredible, but it seems to be a good all around phone. It isn't the best in any one category, but it is good in all of them!

The only thing I'd really like to be improved is the battery life, I miss not being about to guarantee 2 days between charges with heavy use!
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] dandrumheller:
Thanks for the follow up on this thread. I'm still on the fence. Had I caught the essential ph-1 deal for $170 on Black Friday that would have been it for me. Then I missed the Z2 Force for $99 yesterday - would have done that too.

Still bouncing around all the $400 - $500 phones. Currently leaning towards the Xiaomi Mi Mix 2s, but nearly impossible to find new with 128gb storage.

MZP is still just too good to let go - let's me be too indecisive about upgrades!:)
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] gman88667733:
I nearly got an essential, but the average battery life put me off. I would say that for most people, it is worth stepping up the price and getting a 6T over a 6, just for the battery life (IMO). However, I am definitely not unhappy with battery life. It is probably on par if not a tad better than my old OnePlus 5
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] dandrumheller:
Yeah battery life was a concern for me - though I saw some fairly decent numbers on some of the threads here.

For me it's very much about "bang for the buck" when I get phones. MZP has been the best I've ever had in that regard. LG Optimus G and Moto E 2015 are right up there too.
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] gman88667733:
My Z Play was £231 second hand, so not exactly a bargain, but stepping up to £370 for my OP6 was still a big step in the price. My Z Play will still get used very often as I switch between them frequently
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] Pitagoras2000:
https://www.xda-developers.com/moto-z4-play-leak-48mp-camera-display-fingerprint-sensor/

Finally a worthy replacement :)
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] JonasVFC:
that's exactly what i'll be going after
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] fablebreton:
The problem with new moto is that the "xda communauty" is almost dead, so probably no custom rom, + moto update are bad now... + it should cost more than 400 €

I was not a big fan of samsung, but this one look very good, coming soon, 350€ : https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_a50-9554.php

redmi note 7 pro is coming soon too

But for now i'am still happy with Z play :)
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] gman88667733:
An extra update on this after a few more months.

Battery life on the OP6 is nothing like the Z Play. Where I live, I have no mobile reception, but I never put airplane mode on which obviously sucks battery, but the Z Play still managed 2 days. The OP6 has settled at around 3.5-4.5 hours of SOT and almost always needs a top up just before going to bed.

I still love how fast it is, it never slows down at all. The camera is definitely good, nothing more, nothing less. The screen is also good, very good! Still a shame about the awkward brightness levels.

However, this may come as a shocker, but I'd switch back to the Z Play in a hearbeat. The performance on my Z Play was always good and still is, the battery life is nothing short of amazing, especially with the turbo power pack.

If you have a Z Play, I'd keep hold of it for a bit longer! I'm not sure anything else really matches it's appeal still.

I often find myself very tempted to put my sim card back in the Z Play, but it seems daft to put a much newer, more expensive phone in a box, knowing that I won't use it again!

I expect that if the Z4 Play is anything like the original, then i'll be first to get one.
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] gman88667733:
In fact, i have just put my sim card back in the Z Play for the time being. I've updated it fully to Oreo, so hopefully that won't ruin the battery life for me. The screen does feel odd after using such a large, bezel free screen!

Performance isn't hugely different to the OP6 as an average user. A bit less smooth, but perfectly useable.
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] gman88667733:
I have just discovered the Moto G7 Power, which seems to have far better battery life than the Z Play apparently? It also has a much larger display and better performance. All for £179.99.

I'll do a bit more research into it, but if all it well, I'll probably sell the OP6 and get one of these to use for the rest of the year.
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] gman88667733:
After a couple of days with the Z Play again, I remember exactly why I loved it! I'm not missing the OP6 at all. Performance is obviously not as good, but it is still very quick. For a phone with an old CPU in, it does surprise me actually. Battery life on the latest update is okay. Maybe not quite as good as nougat, but I'll update this again in a week or so.

Having the turbo power mod means I never have to worry anyway, it is a guaranteed 2 days minimum for me. Probably 3 at least
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] Marko Kre:
It's hard to find a decent replacement for MZP. Amazon.de selling Moto z3 play + battery mod for 250eur (it's out of stock at the moment). But it has only better display and nothing more. Maybe Moto g7 or newcomer Motorola one Vision. Mororola will launch Moto Z4 with SD855, but not Moto Z4 Play (they cancelled it). And Moto Z4 will be expensive, I suppose.

Yes, OP6 is better than MZP, but not so much.
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] gman88667733:
I'm still using my MZP after switching from the OP6. I had to go into hospital for a couple of days unexpectedly and I only had my MZP without the turbo power mod. It started with 77% battery and after using it constantly whilst in my hospital bed on 4G, I'm still on 40% the next day. My OP6 couldn't do that at all.

I did have battery saver on though, which didn't seem to affect any use of the phone to me!

I am very thankful for the battery life of this phone. So much so that if the Moto Z4 has similar battery life and is quite expensive, I'll happily pay for one.

Alternatively, the G7 power still seems like a decent option, given that the battery life tests rank it as significantly better than the MZP.

Then again, I may even just keep this phone going for even longer. It hasn't slowed down, it's built really well, I don't use a case and it has only a few tiny scratches on it. Plus the battery (for me) is still amazing, even on Oreo.

I think Oreo seems a bit quicker than Nougat too, I may be wrong, but it feels it.
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] gman88667733:
I'm using both phones again at the moment, I wanted to give the OP6 another chance to see if it worth twice the price of the Z Play. The battery life has ended up being the deal breaker for me. It was OK when I used it on its own as I had nothing to compare it to, but it runs down so fast when compared to the Z Play.

The main thing is that I've realised that in my usage, I can easily get away with using a lower end processor, the 625 really is quite a decent performer. I wonder if phones with the 636 or 660 are significantly better? The 632 in the G7 Power tempts me as it is a slightly tuned version of the 625. I do think I'd miss the Moto Mods though.

For now I think I'll keep trying with the OP6 on the side as it is still a very capable phone, but the Z Play is normally what I'd choose to pick up given the option.
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] dandrumheller:
I've seen a few posts elsewhere showing absolutely amazing (like twice as good as I ever got on the MZP) battery life from the G7 power. That is awfully tempting for me, but the 720p screen (which likely helps get the good battery life) at such a big size (and the big size of the whole phone) is a pretty big turnoff for me.

I'm still happy with the Mi Mix 2S I went to - certainly not as good a battery as the MZP, but it has only failed to get me through the day once. It's a trade-off I'll accept for an excellent form factor and noticeably snappier performance in day to day use.
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] gman88667733:
Xiaomi are making some great phones lately.

If the g7 power is really that much better at battery life, then I may do some more research into getting one. I'm not sure if the 720p screen would bother me. I guess I could order one and return it if I'm not impressed!

I'm not 100% convinced it'd be much of an upgrade overall, as I love the build of the Z Play and never use it in a case, which is a big thing for me. Plus the performance can't be too much better as the processors are very similar. Then again, do I really need any better battery life either?!

The Mi Mix 2s was one of my options actually, but the software put me off, I can't use anything but stock or close to stock android nowadays. I bet the performance is a nice upgrade though!
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] Artim_96:
Have the Z2 Play, regret it every bit. The only good things are the metal back and bigger fingerprint sensor. But software support is same **** plus little to no development here and battery life in comparison is a huge letdown.

But I have no clue what would actually be a good phone. I don't trust Xiaomi since software is just awful in my opinion, Oneplus still has to prove themselves for me since they made just too many huge mistakes in the past and Nokia has a locked bootloader (the method you can find here is too cheesy so no development there either), everything else is just too f****** expensive besides other problems. And I doubt the Pixel Lite will be the huge bang like the Nexus 4 and 5 have been.

Even Android One is just a farce, Nokia 8.1 Sirocco just got Pie few weeks ago. So even that is no guarantee for good software, no bloat and fast updates
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] gman88667733:
Pixel lite? Is that likely to be an actual thing?
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] Artim_96:
Yes. Pixel Lite or maybe 3a and 3a XL. Most of it has already been leaked, they'll be plastic phones like back in the days, the question is just when they are released and how much will they cost. I hope Google learned not to screw up the rest
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] gman88667733:
Interesting. If they go for Nexus style pricing, I'd be all for one of those. I expect even with a midrange processor they'll be quick.

Very undecided about my OnePlus 6... It is a very good phone in every aspect apart from battery life (in my usage).
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] Artim_96:
As long as it's at least Snapdragon 600 series you won't have performance issues. The 800 series is just a waste of power.
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] gman88667733:
Agreed, I expect that'd help battery life too?
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] Artim_96:
It should. Although the smaller one will have "only" 3000 mAh battery and SD 670, so battery life could be more similar to the Z2 play than to the Z play. But don't know how much better Google is on terms of optimizations

www.xda-developers.com/google-pixel-3a-3a-xl-color-storage-price/
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] gman88667733:
I suppose. I'll hold off on selling my OP6 just yet then. I wish they'd remake the Z Play with a bigger screen and better camera, that's all I want extra really.
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] nosiobadx:
Ill switch to pocophone, so lets see how it goes
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] dandrumheller:
I would have gone Poco phone if it had US band support.
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] nosiobadx:
Here in Mexico it does support LTE and AFAIK Mexico and US share bands so I'll let you know how it goes
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] gman88667733:
What's the battery like on the Poco phone?

I've had a look and used Z play prices are almost more than z2 play prices.

You can pick up a brand new Z3 play for the same price I paid for my Z play used, when it was over a year old... Crazy!
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] gman88667733:
I've decided that I am going to sell my OnePlus 6. I just don't prefer it to the Z Play. I took my crappy screen protector off my Z Play today and the screen looks fantastic. So I'm going to use this full time now, without any screen protector.

If something else comes out that is worth getting, then maybe I'll change. But for now I may as well sell the OP6 and get as much as I can for it.

I know this is somewhat of a bad word on here, but I am slightly tempted by a discounted iPhone XR as the battery life seems stellar and it supports wireless charging, which is something I'd like now.

Something else I've noticed when looking online, is that a lot of people complain of battery issues on anything newer than 6.0.1. This surprises me as my battery has stayed fairly stable throughout, even after 2 years of this phone being used. I see some people saying they can only manage 4 hours of SOT. Even in an area of no reception at all I get more than that, so there must be some deeper issues? Also see lots of complaints of lag, which again surprises me as mine isnt far off being as quick and smooth as my OP6. Sure it isn't quite as buttery, but it is not a laggy phone. Anyone else had battery or performance issues?
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] dandrumheller:
My wife just got an iPhone XR. Battery life is FAR better than any previous iPhone I've seen or used (I've had a few from work, wife is back and forth between iPhone and Android about every phone upgrade). It's basically identical physical size as my mix 2s. It doesn't get MZP battery life, but probably a little better than my Xiaomi. Hard to really compare because different app setups, and she doesn't pay much attention to SoT unless I happen to ask.

I understand your temptation there. I just can't live without something I can customize. It's really nice hardware though.
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] gman88667733:
That's good to know! I'm not in any rush to upgrade, so I'll try and have a decent go on one and then hold off until there are any good discounts or sales.

How does your wife find iOS Vs Android? It seems most people find it difficult to switch from one to the other frequently. The last iPhone I used was a 7, which I sent back after 2 days because the battery was knackered and the screen was too small.
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] dandrumheller:
She's strange that way. She doesn't do a lot of functional customization on Android, mostly appearance stuff. So less of an issue for her. I guess she pretty much just adapts and then it's ok. Doesn't really use too many apps that aren't similar across platforms either.

I'm constantly looking for ways (and almost always failing) to customize my work iPhone to be as functional as my personal Android, so I don't think I'd ever switch for my personal device. Biggest iOS draw for me is Spark mail - which just launched on Android yesterday, so now almost zero reason to switch.
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] gman88667733:
To be fair, I don't customise my Android phones very much at all. All I do is rearrange the icons to the exact same location as I do on all my phones, change the wallpapers and that's it.

I may have a go on an XR at the weekend if I can and see how it feels. The side bezels look very chunky when compared to the X or XS
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] dandrumheller:
I never really noticed the edge bezels - might be because wife's is in a case though.

Lack of Ability to organize apps is iOS current biggest downfall imho. No app drawer means apps all cluttered on home screens or buried in folders or a bunch of page swipes away. If you only use a few 3rd party apps it's not a big deal. If you have a lot (I do) it gets cluttered.
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] gman88667733:
I only have maybe 7 apps that I use every day.

My OP6 has just sold, so the hunt begins!

I'll have a good look at the Xr and see what I think. Not sure id want to pay more than £500 for one though!
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] gman88667733:
It is going to be tricky to find a phone that offers so much for such a small cost like my Z play. I don't see the value in £800+ phones nowadays. Even £400 is pushing it a bit now as the upgrades really aren't enough to justify the cost.

I've considered older iPhones, but I really don't think I'll stick to one, plus the battery life would be awful.

My Z Play is at 66% with 2 hours 50 mins of SOT being on 4G all day. I still can't see any iPhone beating that. My battery is still over 95% health after 2.5 years which I think is amazing.

I'm still considering a Z2 play as they can be had for £150 brand new now, but I know it isn't really an upgrade.

This leaves me with the option of a Z3 play as they are only £250 or less brand new now. It'd work with all my Moto mods and it has the nice big screen... But will the battery match what I already have?

Decisions decisions!
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] Marko Kre:
For Z2 play the reviewers said it has good battery life. But is smaller than Z play, so it cannot be better.

If your MZP drop dead then Z2 play maybe is good replacement because of the price.

But there is z3 play with bigger and very nice display for 250eur new with battery mod included. That means 3000+2000 mAh, but with bulky mod.

The reason why the performances of all Motorola phones are so good is because of their Android version. Yes, its near to stock, but Motorola have some optimizations and they find best compromise between performance and battery life with average hardware.

Only Motorola know how to do it.

If you want to keep all those 'features' from MZP with some new device, then here are a little problem. At the moment it hard to find decent replacement.

Pocophone F1 is the beast, cheap, with the latest hardware. But after some months it start lagging (because of heavy MIUI). But the users cannot admit that. :)

For my opinion the decent replacements for MZP are:

- another Motorola device (G7 maybe).

- OP

- Pixel (but is too expensive and is not worth the money for my opinion)

- Or some Android One. Maybe Nokia X71.

Or wait to Moto Z4 or Motorola One Vision.

Or give up and using MZP until it died :)
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] gman88667733:
For a 2.5 year old phone to consistently get at least 7-8 hours SOT without any Moto mod attached, it is unheard of. I've seen iPhones that are a year old with 80% battery health, whereas mine has lost less than 5% health in 2.5 years.

The performance on this seems better than a OnePlus 3T running 9.0 that we have lying around. Not much difference between this and our OnePlus 5/6 either.

I wouldn't be surprised if I just keep the Z Play until it wears out, because I don't think anything else will compare overall at the moment.
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] Marko Kre:
Moto stock launcher is very fast. But you can try CPL launcher, it is fast as hell:).

With adb shell commands you can hide navigation & notification bar and using the whole 5.5" display (Immersive mode).

Edge gestures is the excellent app for one hand operation.

You can also set the resolution to 380ppi.

No root necessary.

And you will get totally new device :)
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] gman88667733:
How do I change the resolution?

I use lawnchair launcher and really like it.

This is the first phone I'm happy using almost 100% stock. I've always had to root and rom my past phones
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] Marko Kre:
You need to install on the computer ADB and fastboot minimal tools (you can get it from web or XDA) and install universal android drivers.

Then plug the phone on the computer. And in command prompt type the command:

adb devices

It must shown some number, that means you have the correct drivers and device is recognised.

(On phone settings the USB debugging need to be enabled of course)

Then type:

adb shell wm density 380

And that it.

You can reset the density to original:

adb shell wm density reset

You can also try with smaller. I find 380 is the best for me. 320 or 350 is also good.

MZP display is very good and you will be surprised with the results.
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] gman88667733:
I'm at 36 hours off the charger with 4.5 hours SOT and 50% battery remaining. Oreo seems to be just fine for battery!
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] gman88667733:
So in an odd change of events.. I saw a new, sealed iPhone X on eBay, I put in a very low offer of £400 and won it. So I'll be giving one of them a go! The Z Play will still be in use I imagine, but the X will hopefully be my new main device.

Bit of an impulse buy, but ah well!

I'm imagine the battery life will be awful compared to this. Today I'm at 67% with 3 hours and 25 minutes SOT. A mixture of 4G and WiFi usage. Crazy that a 2.5 year old phone can still do that!

An alternative option is to resell the sealed iPhone straight away and get £200 more than I paid for it...

Or I just use it for a while and if the battery really is that bad I can sell it for more than I paid for it anyway
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] gman88667733:
Or not.... Turns out the eBay seller is a scammer and I'm likely to receive an empty box. What a headache!

Definitely a sign to stick with the Z play!!!
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] sebx_g1:
My Z play is in good condition yet , but I am affraid a bit of battery life .... good replacement - maybe Z4 play or smth. from Xiaomi (mainly for xda support) but commercials in settings are crazy . :0
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] gman88667733:
Do you mean your battery life is getting worse on your Z Play?

Mine seems to have improved with Oreo if anything, it is just as good if not better than when it was new 2-2.5 years ago.
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] gman88667733:
In fact, the whole experience on 8.0.0 has been superb. The phone is so quick doing most things. It does stutter a bit here and there, but no more than most phones do.

My only huge complaint is the awful stock camera app. The actual photos aren't too bad, but the software is awfully slow. I'd consider upgrading for that reason alone really, if the battery life on the replacement was also good.
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] dandrumheller:
Global ROMs or xiaomi.eu custom ROMs basically get rid of all the ads on MiUi.
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] nosiobadx:
Yep, also I can confirm that poco has great battery power too, I full charged the phone and had 12 hours SOT, casting 2 movies, YouTube , WhatsApp, browsing and playing PPSSPP all that in day and 3 hours
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] gman88667733:
I'm very much into the £150-£250 phone range as I think you can get some very good deals in that price range and I no longer see the value in spending £500+. In fact, I've just ordered a brand new iPhone 6s to use alongside my Z Play so I can use both iOS and Android. It only cost £170 new and sealed. Hopefully this one is a genuine sale this time!!!
[Moto Z Play Questions & Answers] gman88667733:
So I've committed the ultimate sin and got an iPhone! My 6s has arrived now.

First notes are, the battery sucks, obviously... But I already knew that. The performance is probably on par with the Z Play, it is smoother, but not as snappy as Android usually is. Screen is a lot worse too.

Overall, a questionable move, but I fancied trying iOS again, even if it is only for a few months