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[Xiaomi Mi Mix 3 Questions & Answers] Deleted member 230392:
https://event.mi.com/uk/launch2018/smartlife

Xiaomi UK Launch Event

November 8th, 2:00PM | London

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEdtnuyj9zo
[Xiaomi Mi Mix 3 Questions & Answers] domlin:
Damn. they've posted a pic on Facebook too, it was the outline of a device and it says "Try guessing what device this is". People commented "Mix 3" and Xiaomi replied saying "guess again"...

What a horrible shame.

Do you think a CN Mix 3 will be fully compatible in the UK? I know the Bands for LTE should be fine, but I'm thinking about mobile banking apps, google pay, etc?...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] IcemanCharlie:
Sorry for asking but everyone is a newbeeeee sometime, right :o

I just found this site and I really want to upgrade my HTC TyTn II with WM 6.1.

I understand that on this site aloooooot of people are writing there own application and changing the org. RAM etc etc.

I wounder WHAT RAM I should install, the official Microsoft 6.1 or...

Where to looooooook ?

Pleazzzz have faith and once more, I'm a beginner :cool:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] ljinsane:
since you are new....1st thing to do before asking a question is use the forum search function and/or go to the wiki page for your device most of your questions if not all can be answered by doing those two things...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] P1Tater:
I'm going to give you the best piece of advice I can. Don't forget the name GSLEON3. I have a feeling you might need him in the near future.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] flushbeer:
i would take the last one that came out... and everytime a new one is available -> flash it.

other possibility: start with the wiki.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] GSLEON3:
Well, you won't be changing ANY RAM for years bud. No offense, but that would take a lot of address work to alter the ram alotment.

You're best friend is the wiki, & the second post on the page called Start Here.

Now I don't expect to see another question for at least 5 days to a week, becuase if you are that new, you've got a bit of reading to do.

Start with the basics & learn about roms, radios, & basic tools that make flashing & cooking possible.

DO NOT PLAY WITH THINGS YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND. If you're not comfortable with a process or don't understand it, DON'T DO IT! Just like anything else, you're actions will have consequences, some are good some can be devastating. So start here: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Kaiser

Then go to this thread: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=369282

After reading all of the info there, then you can start asking questions for clarification without being royally flamed.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] GSLEON3:
Ohh, & one last though, never trust a solution that is

just flash it!

Red, read, read, understand...Then HardSPL before you even think of flashing anything.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] flushbeer:
sorry... forgot

<irony></irony>

I thought that was clear. :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] IcemanCharlie:
OK here we goooiiiiinnnng to reeeeead and reeeeeeaaad an.......

Godnight & over and out:)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] TomorrowSpace:
I learned everything I needed to know from here. Everything is extensive. With a little dedication and a little geekism, you'll figure it out :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] mchapman007:
My RAM doesn't fit!!!!

I'm so sorry that I didn't get to chime in earlier but I was changing the RAM on my Tilt and totally screwed up trying to fit my Laptop RAM into my phone. I couldn't find the Wiki on how to fix it. Can I tether it using Active Sync?
[Moto Z Play Accessories] Dakkaron:
After the Livermorium keyboard mod finally failed, I got to work to create something myself, using my trusty 3D printer.

As a basis I am using an generic mini bluetooth keyboard. This thing comes under a variety of names, one of which is Jelly Comb IBK-26IM, but there are a lot of other names for this thing. Additionally to the full six-row keyboard (including dedicated rows for numbers and F-keys and keys like alt, ctrl, esc or shift) it also offers a mediocre touchpad for mouse control.

In the current iteration I only use a 3D printed clamp that connects the keyboard to the smartphone. This is a very simplistic approach but already this is a lot better than only using a touch keyboard.

I made a version that used laptop hinges from an old laptop to fold the keyboard to the back of the phone when not used (Motorola Backflip style), but the laptop hinges were way to strong. So I am currently working on a design using 3D-printed adjustible-strength torque hinges. I am thinking of making a double-hinged design that allows the keyboard to be folded both over the front (laptop style) and the back (Motorola Backflip style), so it can protect the keys and display when stored, and still be used in landscape with the keyboard out and in portrait mode with the keyboard folded to the back of the phone.

These designs I am working on will replace the back plate of the keyboard to reduce the thickness of the whole thing. I am also thinking about adding lead weights to the bottom of the keyboard to balance the top-heavyness, which is an issue, though surprisingly not a major one.

I also made a clamp to connect the smartphone with a Playstation 3 or XBox One controller.

Is anyone interested in either 3D-print files or 3D-printed parts for this? I can adjust the clamp part to work with about every smartphone.
[Moto Z Play Accessories] farsight73:
Instead of putting lead weights.. try design it to have a kick stand.

BTW, it awesome for your work so far. Please continue and update here the improvements.

I would love to have one if all fit - slim - easy and most of all, work out perfectly...
[Moto Z Play Accessories] Dakkaron:
Thanks for the interest and the feedback!

Where would you put the kickstand?

I have been using the clamp for a while now. It works pretty nicely. I am not sure if a joint is entirely necessary, since I can just pop the phone out of the clamp if I don't need the keyboard. I will build and test it though, just to see if it is an improvement.
[Moto Z Play Accessories] eske.rahn:
A nice project. :good:

Though there already exists some clamshell variants like the Gemini and the Cosmo

My interest is primarily in a slider - though of course your solution is much better than touch-only.

I have my hopes up high for the "Q-device" hinted at e.g. here and until more news on that, i'm using a Snap-On keyboard for the Samsung S8- (Unfortunately it does not work completely on S9-, see this https://xdaforums.com/galaxy-s9/accessories/keyboard-cover-s8-modified-s9-t3841101

ADD:

Just an Idea, depending on how the 3D-print and the hinge is joined. It could be nice if the two 3D-parts meet, and had some suitable cut-ins so it 'snapped' in place at a couple of angles. e.g. closed, open 120 degrees and open 180 degrees.

And If you can get hold of hinges like the Lenovo Yoga, it would be clever if it could bend over and stay in a couple of more angles, including 360 too...
[Moto Z Play Accessories] Dakkaron:
Thank you!

The hinged version isn't actually a clamshell since it does not close with the display and the keyboard on the inside, but rather on the outside. Compared to a clamshell device this does not offer any protection for the screen and the keyboard, but it allows using the display in portrait mode without having the keyboard dangle off to one side. A double-hinged design would allow for both, closing it like a clamshell and also folding the keyboard to the backside.

I would prefer a slider as well, since it is a middle ground between both designs. The keyboard is protected and the screen is not, but you can still use the device in portrait mode. I have two problems with a slider design, though. First, I haven't found any 3D-printable (or cheap and very small buyable) sliding mechanisms. Second, because the sliding mechanism needs to attach to the top of the keyboard, I cannot build it into the back of the keyboard as I am doing with the folding mechanism. The back half of the keyboard is virtually empty and also the shape is pretty simple. So for the folding mechanism I am just going to replace that back half, thus saving a lot of thickness.

I attached renders of the backflip mechanism. Two of the renders show the device in the folded state, with the keyboard being on top, keys facing up, and the phone being on the bottom, screen facing down. The third render shows the mechanism in the opened state. The smartphone is inserted into the thin hoop part and the top half of the keyboard is screwed onto the wider flat panel on the right.

I will post pictures as soon as I'm done printing it and got it to work.

And also, thanks a lot for posting the link at the Keyboard Mod indiegogo page!
[Moto Z Play Accessories] eske.rahn:
Ah I see, only 'backflipping' :)

You might consider something like this they even mention that you can request a sample, But 500 for $100 that should be enough for your immediate needs :p
[Moto Z Play Accessories] Dakkaron:
I think I will first try it with 3D printed joints, since there I can adjust the resistance. I already tried it with other laptop hinges, but they were extremely tough, so it was impossible to fold the device without breaking something. Maybe there is something like that with adjustable torque, that would be good.

The version I am currently working on will work like the Motorola Backflip, which is where I got the term from.

Edit: [MENTION=1244103]eske.rahn[/MENTION]: I just saw your edit to the first post. Cut-ins sound interesting. I'll have to see if I can get something like that to work.
[Moto Z Play Accessories] eske.rahn:
I'm not sure what the correct technical term is, perhaps "Locking hinge", what I mean is something along these lines integrated, but with a limited number of positions

https://www.yeggi.com/goto/l52hmXJ/...03endmN/Qq7Sc29yaqOXKY5nh04POrrC04a_smZusqZ2W

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You might also consider a completely different approach with the two halves always parallel, and the mechanics at the ends, like this table thing.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61PZJuntwQL._SL1500_.jpg

(sort of most primtive 'slider', and if the arms got different lengths, you can get a tilt also)
[Moto Z Play Accessories] Dakkaron:
This locking hinge design looks pretty simple. Should be no problem to incorporate that into my design.

A friend of mine had a smartphone a few years with this parallel-arms-design. I can't remember what it was. I think some Samsung phone. I don't think I can make this in 3D-print in the required size... I am thinking about a real slider though. Have to see if it is possible.

I tried printing the hinged design, but I don't have a good printing direction, since neither the top nor the bottom of the keyboard half are touching the floor. I need to rework this. Didn't have much time this weekend.
[Moto Z Play Accessories] noonebikes4free:
slider vs hinge

i get it that a hinge is easy to implement but would it not be better to try a sliding action over the hinge since it would allow for a end design
[Moto Z Play Accessories] Shani Ace:
[MENTION=5066024]Dakkaron[/MENTION] If you're going for a DIY-solution, I'd suggest modding one of the many existing QWERTY-cases for the Galaxy S4, S5 and iPhone.

Several years ago I had one of those for my S4. The problem is, these are hard to come by, unless you live in the US.

I was also a backer of the keyboard mod, actually only bought the Moto Z because of that about 1,5 years go (and then had to replace it with a Z2 Play half a year ago).

As someone who was craving a keyboard smartphone for years, this is really frustrating.

In 2016 I switched to a Blackberry Priv - up until then I had an imported Droid 4 - but the lack of root and its terrible keyboard drove me away.

A few days ago I got a Gemini PDA and while it definitely has its benefits, it's not nearly as practical as a daily driver as a slider would be.

I wish I could just find one of the lucky few who got the keyboard mod and buy it from them for a hefty price.

As someone who struggles with these highly impractical touchscreen keyboards - even after 1,5 years - I'm really frustrated.

I simply don't get why many years ago smartphone producers suddenly forced keyboard-less phones on us up to the point where most people forgot about them.

It's not like people suddenly said 'we don't want a hardware keyboard anymore', they just stopped producing models with a keyboard.

But it's not like people don't want a physical keyboard!

I still know a few that just want to have a keyboard again. And everyone who's seen my keyboard phones so far immediately responded positively to them.

It's a shame that the options for people like us are so limited.
[Moto Z Play Accessories] eske.rahn:
Sure a slider would be better for a SPECIFIC combo, but I guess the hinge design is easier to make more general for different types of keyboards and phablets/phones.

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I'm certainly with you [MENTION=302800]Shani Ace[/MENTION]

Personally in the waiting for a real slider, I prefer the primitive snap-on solution for e.g. the S8 as an intermediate device over a hinge design (no matter what way it folds).

(and I must admit I'm getting impatient for more information of the elusive Q device. The teaser page offers so little that it's more annoyance than tease...)
[Moto Z Play Accessories] Dakkaron:
[MENTION=3077603]noonebikes4free[/MENTION]: I too would like a slider best, but I just have no idea how to make one. I have taken apart the Motorola Droid 3 and 4, so I know how their sliders work, but there is no way I can replicate that in 3D printed plastic and my metalworking skills are non-existant. So it is not a case of me being too lazy to design one, but rather one of me not having any idea how to make one. If you find a good example I'd be happy to clone it.

[MENTION=302800]Shani Ace[/MENTION]: I was thinking about these slider cases as well, but as you mentioned, they are very hard to find. Also, they are tiny since they were designed for much smaller phones. I wanted a keyboard that would be about the same size as my phone.

I too got the Moto Z Play for the keyboard mod. Quite a disappointment.

I have been using the keyboard with only a snap-on clip for the last few weeks and that seems quite practical. If I need the keyboard, I snap it on. If I don't need it, I snap it off. But the clamp on the keyboard makes it a very awkward shape to carry it around. But I think I figured out a solution that is almost as good as a slider, and that's a swivel hinge (I think they are called that way). So the phone would then rotate like a Nokia Twist, but with the joint in the center of the side of the phone and it would rotate 180 degrees. That would store the keyboard the same way as on a slider, but it would be way easier to make and sturdier. Combine that with a locking swivel mechanism and easy detachability for when you only need the phone.

What fo you think?
[Moto Z Play Accessories] Shani Ace:
[MENTION=1244103]eske.rahn[/MENTION] I actually used those snap-on keyboards for a while on an S6 edge and later again with a S7.

But there were a few downsides which made me switch again:

* no backlight

* it limits screen size significantly (I countered that by reducing the DPI, but still...)

* the display ratio is wierd (some apps didn't scale that well, you have to scroll a lot)

* while the keys were definitely better than those of the BB Priv, they were still not nearly as good as on classic sliders like the Droid 4

[MENTION=5066024]Dakkaron[/MENTION] I had to fiddle around a lot with those keyboard cases (something would constantly fall apart, usually the springs) and their mechanism seemed quite simple. Although maybe that was the reason why they weren't stable enough for daily usage, who knows. ;)

From what I remember, the pictures and campaign updates for the moto keyboard mod were quite similar though.

If you scroll down to the section titled "Sliding Mechanism" here, you can still see the pictures of it. Maybe that helps?

Personally, I'm not a fan of swivel mechanisms (also don't need to detach).

Then I'd rather go with a flip (like your current one) or clamshell (Gemini) design, but don't particularly like those either.

Problem is, the Gemini PDA is somewhat impractical when you're on the go. You can't really open it one-handed and the keyboard is so huge (and not backlit) that you end up having to look at it while typing and you need to be a real finger acrobat to input certain symbols.

I was just tempted to buy a Droid 4 or Photon Q off ebay again, but then I remembered they don't support LTE over here...

Guess I really have to wait a few more months. I just hope the q-device will actually make it to a full product. :)
[Moto Z Play Accessories] eske.rahn:
[MENTION=5066024]Dakkaron[/MENTION] and [MENTION=302800]Shani Ace[/MENTION] at least the snap on can be clicked on the back too. (and on the S8 even as a camera protector) But I tend to simply carry the keyboard in the shirt-pocket, as it is so light. And yes the lack of backlight is really bad - especially as they do not have a mode where the software keyboard layout is identical to the hardware one, and this really confuses my memory... It would cost virtually NOTHING for them to offer as an optional layout, and would make it so much simpler to switch, depending on the length of the text we need to enter.

Note that the S8 is much more suited for this than the S6, as the native display is so extremely elongated.

And sure the snap-on is not really a solution. But it is tolerable workaround for some months, until we hopefully get a Q-device. :angel:

(And it is REALLY cumbersome to use in real-life in Danish, the frequently used national letters are a little hard to get, and it does not interact well with the word-prediction/spellchecker - and unfortunately they are VERY common in Danish)
[Moto Z Play Accessories] Shani Ace:
Oh, I thought the S7 was the last device to get that keyboard cover. Guess I mistook the S9 for the S8. ^^

But now I remember another downside: it didn work with custom roms. Has that situation improved with the S8?

If so, that might actually be worth a try, at least for a few months. :)
[Moto Z Play Accessories] Snoere:
I was one of the keyboard mod backers and now I will get the same bluetooth keyboard as you have. So please keep us informed :)

I found a simple approach with an attachable cover. I'm thinking of adding a simple slide-out mechanism to the back of a cheap case.
[Moto Z Play Accessories] Shani Ace:
Hey, if you're successful with that, would you mind posting a how-to or even do it for others (for money) as well? Btw I'm also from Germany, so shipping would not be a problem. :)
[Moto Z Play Accessories] eske.rahn:
Actually you can get better solutions for the aPple Iphone6. See e.g. https://eskerahn.dk/wordpress/?p=554

But BE AWARE though standard BT keyboards works on Iphones, many Iphone keyboards does NOT work on standard phones/phablets...:silly:
[Moto Z Play Accessories] Shani Ace:
I know it's a little off-topic, but [MENTION=1244103]eske.rahn[/MENTION] Mind answering my question from before (I guess it wasn't really clear, my bad)? ;)

You said you were using the S8 with the keyboard cover. Does that still limited you to stock-based ROMs or is there a solution to use the keyboard cover with other ROMs (like RR, Lineage etc.) as well?

I just got an S7 and the keyboard cover will arrive in a few days, so I'm prepping everything right now to turn it into my daily driver until the q-device is released.
[Moto Z Play Accessories] eske.rahn:
Ah well, you better pose that to the ones making the custom ROMs...

But as the keyboards functionality does include the usage of hardware sensors (interacting with the two magnets and the small rfid like chip), then at the least some coding must be active over native Android. But I have absolutely no idea if this is part of the standard layer of hardware drivers, or some extra driver is needed..

ADD

BUT remember that these sensors are for he EXISTENCE of the keyboard only, not the function, this is purely capacitative interaction. So I guess that at the least in theory anyone with sufficient skills and time could build a keyboard driver for it, also for a custom ROM.

But if your question is if it would work directly out of the box on a custom ROM, then I would be surprised, unless the ones that created the ROM explicitly tells that it DO work.
[Moto Z Play Accessories] Shani Ace:
[MENTION=1244103]eske.rahn[/MENTION] No my hope - or basically my question - was that you might've found a custom (AOSP) ROM that supports it out of the box.

During my S6 edge days I actually delved deep into that matter, searched and played around with it a lot. Even found the libraries that - allegedly - contain the necessary stuff for the keyboard and flashed it onto a custom ROM, but it didn't work.

[RANT]

I just don't get why all the non-stock based custom ROMs haven't added support for it yet. It's an official accessory after all! All those useless smartwatches and Samsung health devices get support across all custom ROMs, but not the keyboard cover?!

[/RANT]

I'm mostly just infuriated because I got my S7 yesterday and could've just flashed RR (my favourite ROM) on it. Instead, I had flash a touchwiz-based custom ROM and I'm already annoyed by all the intrusive BS Samsung put into all of their ROMs. And come to think about it, that probably was the true reason why I sold the S6 edge back then.

But I'm also annoyed because every solution to the problem comes with a major downside:

* Droid 4: no LTE (and old hardware)

* Blackberry Android devices: no root (and crappy keyboard)

* Moto Z: keyboard mod got cancelled

* Gemini PDA: really terrible ergonomy, no one-handed use possible (and barely any ROMs, no backlight)

* Samsung keyboard cover for S6, S7 and S8: limited to touchwiz ROMs (and no backlight)

* DIV solutions: well they're DIY, often unstable over prolonged periods and the form-factor is impractical

It's like they're desperately trying to make it impossible for us to get what we want.

I just hope the q-device is released soon, getting quite impatient after waiting for so many years...
[Moto Z Play Accessories] eske.rahn:
Well we are a very small minority that still wants hardware keyboards, so the chance of ROM developers among them with the time to make it work are not that big...

Certainly with you on the impatience.... :angel:

On the bloat, you might have a look on this on how to keep bloat at bay even on non-rooted devices. https://eskerahn.dk/wordpress/?p=2462