yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] Pho3nX:
It's pretty simple, decrypted device can update/downgrade between Rom/Android version without any problem just with a clean flash (Wipe : Dalvik/ART - Cache - System - Vendor - Data)

So you can keep your Internal Storage, not needed to format data. I advise to always flash the no-verity file after each dirty flash/clean flash) for be sure to keep device decrypted, because some roms compatible with encryption don't apply by default no-verity. No verity file v2/v3 is asked (v2 for standard environement (non-treble) or v3 for treble environement

When you are decrypted you can switch from 9 > 8.1 > 9 and AOSP > OOS > AOSP like a bird ^^
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] bauuuuu:
Its decrypted already if everything is wiped, unless some other rom/ module encrypts it. As [MENTION=5308099]Pho3nX[/MENTION] said better to flash verity patch if you switching between roms

forgot to attach
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] Portgas D. Ace:
Okay, now you have somewhat confused me again :silly: My OP5 doesn't have the vendor partition available as of now. I know that you can enable it, there was a guide about this by using the Mokee ROM somewhere here on XDA. Does ArrowOS needs the vendor partition to be enabled or does it enable it? If not, I guess I will need the v2 no-verity file.

Sorry for asking this kind of basic stuff, but I am rather new to treble and no-verity as my current setup doesn't require any of those two.
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] Pho3nX:
Dont' be worried, if you don't have Vendor partition it's because your actual Rom is not treble. If you are decrypted, there no problem, when you will install ArrowOS (Treble) System & Vendor partitions will be installed. ArrowOS will create a vendor partition.

;)

PS : And because apparently your old rom (DU) was non-treble, your old no-verity v2 is now outaded. Use This v3 (Treble and non-Treble Pie compatible):

xXx-No-Verity-Treble_v3
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] Portgas D. Ace:
Thank you for your help here :good: I hope that my treble-noob questions and your detailed answers will help others with similar (non-existing) treble experience :laugh:
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] Portgas D. Ace:
Okay, I tried to flash ArrowOS (official for cheeseburger from 2018-10-21) via TWRP, but I got an error saying

"E: string resource 'zip_compatible_err' not found. Using default value. Zip Treble compatibility error! Invalid zip file format!"

What I did: boot into TWRP, performed a complete backup, then did a full wipe (data, system, cache, dalvik). Then flashed latest 5.15 firmware, then tried to flash ArrowOS.

Any hint what I did wrong?
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] Pho3nX:
LOL... You have an outdated TWRP...

Just install TWRP Pie by sian or TWRP blu_spark (i'm using spark), both are Treble compatible ;)
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] Portgas D. Ace:
Oh, I didn't know that TWRP by codeworkx wasn't Treble-compatible. Thanks for the info, I really appreciate it.
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] RogerF81:
That's not correct. The latest TWRP build by codeworkx is Treble compatible, I'm using it myself without issues.
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] Pho3nX:
Read better my quote i said just that the problem is caused by an outdated TWRP (true because now Portgas D. Ace don't have this error), i don't said that codeworkx is outdated... Maybe the Portgas D. Ace used a old version, not the lastest. I had also problem with codeworkx (the vendor partition did not appear), but in a old version a few months ago.

All TWRP versions are based on codeworkx sources, so i know codeworkx recovery working lol
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] Portgas D. Ace:
To be honest, I used codeworkx latest TWRP version 3.2.3-0. So the error has to indicate something else than an outdated TWRP version.
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] Pho3nX:
Your error : "E: string resource 'zip_compatible_err' not found. Using default value. Zip Treble compatibility error! Invalid zip file format!"

said a problem to recognize / mount the treble partition

You have install with success with an another TWRP ? Isn't it? (same files, not corrupted)
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] Portgas D. Ace:
I haven't tried afterwards with another recovery as it was late yesterday. The thing is, the vendor partition isn't enabled yet, as I haven't flashed Mokee or any other vendor-enabling ROM yet. ArrowOS should do the trick, at least that was what I understand from the above posts.
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] Almightynoah:
Quite smooth,thanks bro, for your great jobs, cheers!
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] morfances:
Flashed last build. No info meteo!

Inviato dal mio ONEPLUS A5000 utilizzando Tapatalk
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] Sehastian:
Hey great rom so far! will this rom be maintained for a while? and thx!
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] dragynbane222:
I see your problem. You're trying to get Treble in a way that, frankly, will never work. most roms simply USE the vendor partiton, they don't MAKE it. the only roms I know of that create a Vendor partition are a specific couple OOS roms, and Mokee. for this rom it's recommended to flash the full 5.1.5 stock rom, THEN go through what you need to to flash this one. Once you flash OB13 or 5.1.5, you've pretty much got Treble for good.
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] Portgas D. Ace:
Thank you, this was exactly the information I was looking for.
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] nico2195x:
why is this official but not on the official download page

https://arrowos.net/download.html
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] bauuuuu:
New Update available:-

Changelog:- https://blog.arrowos.net/posts/changelogs-9-x
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] d1n0x:
Still 5.1.5 needed?
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] bauuuuu:
latest stable firmware
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] d1n0x:
Which is 5.1.6
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] vladilog:
Glad to report that my GPS lock issue finally disappeared after yesterday's update. I did a clean installation of Arrow + nano-Gapps + magisk17.3. thanks Dev !! :)
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] dieu40:
Where can y activate advanced reboot please ?
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] 123jat:
ArrowOS and VoLTE OP5

Hello and greetings from Finland!

I have tried out lot of custom Pie ROM's. Now I'm on ArrowOS 28-10.2018. Should there be on option to turn on/off VoLTE icon ? There ain't no option in menus ??

VoLTE works O.K. Can call on VoLTE ? I have tried many times to install different way! Won't work! Read it from changelog 28-10-2018. I have to developers one request,

please add an option to change places of back and recent buttons! Thanks !!!
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] d1n0x:
I have tried out almost every single custom ROM for this phone and am wondering why all custom ROMs (Nougat, Oreo, Pie) have such an atrocious camera quality. I thought it would get better with the introduction of treble (necessary libs in /vendor) but it hasn't. Does anybody know why ROMs that are not based on OOS have such terrible quality? (Yes, I know there's GCam mods, but they all have their flaws as well) and if this is going to get better soon?
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] nomaramon:
It is a know problem with every custom ROM with every phone as far as I know, in the crdroid thread there is a flashable zip with the port of the camera from oos
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] d1n0x:
That doesn't answer my question though. I want to know the reason for this and if there is a fix in sight.
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] nomaramon:
This might answer your question: https://www.xda-developers.com/came...opers-make-hardware-work-without-source-code/

Also do not expect a "fix", the best fix the developers can do is make the camera at least work
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] bauuuuu:
The reason is simple, custom roms are not OEMs and neither have access to vendor specific source code to make brand specific apps, in this case OOS camera app, to function same as in stock.
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] d1n0x:
Thank you both. Wasn't there a discussion about OnePlus releasing camera blobs for use in custom ROMs? Is that still relevant or has this idea been abandoned?
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] Portgas D. Ace:
This discussion can be put aside, they won't release camera blobs as they aren't in a legal position to do so due to proprietary code owned by other companies related to the camera and its software, as far as I know.
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] pulsation:
Hello,

First of all thanks for developing this rom. I've been using it for a few days, coming from Omni. It is pretty stable, which is great :)

There is a small thing I could observe though, and just wondering if some other people also experienced it.

Often after locking the phone idle, it triggers series of vibes related to its movement.

After a search I did not find any post that mention it, sorry if it has already been discussed ;)

Envoyé de mon ONEPLUS A5000 en utilisant Tapatalk
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] bauuuuu:
Update available:- 2nd Nov

Changelog :- https://blog.arrowos.net/posts/changelogs-9-x
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] pulsation:
Very nice boot animation [emoji39]

Envoyé de mon ONEPLUS A5000 en utilisant Tapatalk
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] Nilu99:
Wow nice....which is recommended firmware for this version?
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] bauuuuu:
Update available:- 18th Nov

Changelog :- https://blog.arrowos.net/posts/changelogs-9-x
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] d1n0x:
Is the option to swap hardware keys implemented yet?
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] bauuuuu:
You mean?
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] d1n0x:
I mean that the mapping of capacitive buttons can be changed (left button back, right button recents), right now it is the other way around.
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] bauuuuu:
Settings-Display-hardware buttons and navbar
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] parthroxx:
Great ROM??

Great Work!!!!

Thanks for the ROM?

Thank You [MENTION=6410262]bauuuuu[/MENTION]
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] 123jat:
No. I think she/he means hardware buttons not navbar ? O.K. ??

Coul'd you also make WiFi-calls to work ? Can't call WiFi-calls.

VoLTE is working both calls and icon in statusbar.

Thank you for a nice ROM !!
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] d1n0x:
Yes I mean the capacitive buttons left and right of the home button. Haven't flashed it yet, can you confirm this feature is present?
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] 123jat:
I just flashed it sometimes ago. No I'm sorry but it isn't present! Hope developer(s) fixs that!
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] bauuuuu:
Did you not found the settings option for home back and home buttons in Settings->Display->Hardware and navbar options ?
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] 123jat:
Yes I thinki I do. But can't find any option to swap hardware navigation buttons (back and recents). Should it be there ??
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] bauuuuu:
this is strange, can you post SS of what you have? you may already know but just to make sure there is no option which says swap hardware buttons it allows you to set the custom action on the hardware buttons
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] 123jat:
O.K. Thanks! Get it work :). By editing from that menu...
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] c3drik 67:
Hello i would know what is the camera app in this rom. Thanks in advance
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] Mash1ro:
Is the rom EAS?
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] dd0s:
There many lags in opening Apps etc. The Animation is stuttering. Maybe its the inbuild Krieg Kernel. I am on latest build from Yesterday
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] Pho3nX:
Yes

Using Lawnchair + Lawnstep + RedFlare it's the more fastest rom with CnP
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] dd0s:
RedFlare did the trick, a new experience ;)
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] wizardknight:
How is the GPS lock time? I had issues with many roms not locking or taking several minutes to get a solid lock on Oreo.
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] bauuuuu:
Weekly Update available:- via OTA or SF

Changelog:- https://blog.arrowos.net/posts/changelogs-9-x

25th November, 2018 :-

Add new feature of One-hand UI Mode

Statusbar battery level device filter: add a few more ones:

SystemUI: Show bluetooth battery level when available

Automatic translation import

fwb: Implement alternative device key handler

base: add settings for device features

BurnInProtection: Fix null object reference with timer

Do not move the multi-window divider when showing IME

Fix StatusBar icons tinting when in split screen

Framework: Remove some methods from boot image profile

SystemUI: Fix mCallbacks is not thread-safe

Synchronize mPermissions to void NullPointerException

Remove NotificationVisibility storage pool

Keyguard: Remove carrier text for disabled SIMs

SignalClusterView: Hide signal icons for disabled SIMs

Refusing to enter PIP mode when activity destroyed

Fix PIP media session listener for secondary users

Fix the behavior of keyguard bouncer in a corner case

SystemUI: Fixes context for tiles without longClick

ActivityManager: Fix display id JE issue

am: Fix top activity resume with secure keyguard

Delay blanking of displays to improve performance

Fix intermittent slowness in resolver activity towards end of day

Other changes: core optimisations, device side changes. More info can be seen on gerrit
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] parthroxx:
Great?
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] bauuuuu:
Update available

## CHANGELOGS

### 1st December, 2018

- Updated DeskClock, also added support of power off alarm feature (Device dependent).

- Changed default animation scales to x0.8.

- Optimisations for faster animation speeds.

- Animation scale can be tweaked using a seekbar.

- Added a toast when screenshot is deleted

- Prevent crash when multiple Screenshot request is made

- Expose screenshot flash colors for themes

- Fixed too big spacing between QS icons in landscape on sw600dp

- Import updated APNs from Google.

- Fixed: removed duplicate alarm sounds.

- Updated translations.

- Added Reboot and Recovery QS tile.

- Added Night Light brightness mode options.

- Fixed: DnD tile long-press.

- Quickstep: added Rounded square icon shape.

- Quickstep: App Apps search bar has rounded corners.

- Removed: QS panel Opacity

- Fixed screen saver FC due to missing flag

- touch response optimizations
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] uk_harty:
Not booting up!
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] bauuuuu:
can you explain what you did what you have? have you read the installation instructions?
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] 123jat:
Me too! Trying this new ROM! It stays in OpenPlus logo and text "Powerd By Android".

Thanks !!!
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] uk_harty:
I did exactly what I did installing 26/11

Rom

Gapps

No Verity v3

Gets stuck on OnePlus slash screen.
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] bauuuuu:
extremely strange the only change is kernel here nothing else. will get back on this
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] vladilog:
Same here. Stuck in OP logo after the update. My device is undecrypted. Went back to 26/11 and now it's fine again.

---------- Post added at 08:37 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:33 PM ----------

Please do. I love this rom. Thanks for your great work.
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] bauuuuu:
cooking a new build, meanwhile if you interested try backing up 26/11 boot.img from twrp and restore on latest update.
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] uk_harty:
Flashed a kernel after rom and everything is okay.
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] bauuuuu:
New build is UP.

https://sourceforge.net/projects/arrow-os/files/arrow-9.x/cheeseburger/
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] i.am.newbie:
Will this rom supports encrypted device in the future?
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] Cole1234567890:
Which kernel did u flash
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] 123jat:
Still not working!!

Hi!

Still not working! Stucks to "check updates"....

Edit:Get somehow to work!
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] bauuuuu:
updated build works fine
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] Cole1234567890:
between havos and arrow which custom rom is better?
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] SREEPRAJAY:
Please try it for yourself.

Not a respectable thing to start judgement poll on another ROM thread.

making ROM is hard work...please understand
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] bauuuuu:
## CHANGELOGS

### 8th December, 2018

Detailed information about this weekly and future updates can be found at https://blog.arrowos.net/posts/changelogs-9-x

- Android Security patch Level : 5 Dec 2018

- Option to unlink ringtone and notification sound

- Keymaster updates

- Fix high battery drain after using flashlight

- DownloadProvider: allow more redirects

- DownloadProvider: ability to pause/resume downloads

- Prevent crash when multiple Screenshot request is made

- LatinIME: Fix dicttool build

- Latin IME bug with deleted text will reappear after screen orientation changes

- Fixing layouts and adding 5th row to QWERTZ

- LatinIME: Fix to English dictionary can be added after deleting

- Add 5th number row to keyboard.

- Launcher: Add back button to Settings

- Launcher: Move package icon to the end of the preference

- Translations

- Removed Turbo app
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] SqooK:
Camera software* ?

telephone and message software? What are?? :)

firmware? version?
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] bauuuuu:
camera is Snap as default, anything of your choice can be installed. AOSP Dialer+messaging

Latest stable firmware just works fine. no drama
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] Mash1ro:
Thanks for the builds man. Also, would you be willing to try making your builds EAS? The kernel and some device side changes if needed
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] 123jat:
VoLTE and VoWiFi support!

Hello !!

Thanks for a nice ROM! The problem is can't make any VoLTE and VoWiFi calls. The VoLTE icon is turned on from menu but no icon. And no VoLTE calls because it drops data to 3G/H.

That's on Elisa 4G network! Could you fix these ?? Don't need VoWiFi yet. Just in march because gonna go to Israel. Gonna call trough hotell's WiFi networks! Thanks !!!

Edit: I have the latest ROM 09-12-2018...

Edit 2: Have something wrong with device. Looses SIM's and sometime detects SIM (slot 2) and

gives VoLTE logo and can make VoLTE calls...
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] Raideeps80:
While using always on display, the screen flicks while going from AOD screen clock to lock screen clock unlike pixel device AOD...this rom is fully stable and smooth and this is only thing i found missing...
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] gouthamgoumi:
[MENTION=6410262]bauuuuu[/MENTION] which fw recommended for 28-01 build?
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] SqooK:
firmware 26.03.2019?
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] d1n0x:
"latest stable firmware" = 9.0.4
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] SqooK:
kernel version why 1.6? krieg

new version 2.4 ??
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] AleAndroid96:
Notification slider mode ring and vibrate doesn't work
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] vdbhb59:
10.0 in: https://sourceforge.net/projects/arrow-os/files/arrow-10.0/cheeseburger/

Web: https://arrowos.net/

Blog: https://blog.arrowos.net/

Gerrit: https://review.arrowos.net/#/q/status:merged/

TG: https://t.me/ArrowOS/426

Source Changelog

- Start shipping ThemePicker

- Added VoLTE statusbar icon

- Recorder upstream

- Make QS sync tile act normal

- Add rounded corners to activity open/close animation

- Turn on display on plug

- Improve buttons dashboard icon

- Improvements to Sync tile icon

- Avoid adding useless empty settings page

- Fix white border of settings search in non white themes

- Switch to DuckDuckGo instead of Chromium

- Fix swipe to unlock requiring multiple attempts

- Skip loading contextual cards if legacy cards are used in settings

- Translations merged

- Tons of other improvements and fixes which can be seen in gerrit.
[OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Devel] vdbhb59:
This update should have been posted here. Not sure why it was not.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] kartam:
Hi there. I've been a satisfied user of a SPV C600 for quite a long time. Now i'm moving to a touch-phone - TyTN, and therefore I have some questions. Are they (pocket pc phones) much less resistant than classic smartphones? Isn't the screen sensitive and easy to destroy? and finally, how is it practical comparing to a classic phone? And how it's with battery life?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] Mobilez6600:
I suggest you to buy the TYTN II (Kaiser). It has integrated GPS ;-)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] MikeChannon:
The screens are not overly delicate, but you will need a protective case - don't just put it in your pocket. The battery life - just depends, count on charging it every day.

The phone functions differently from a pure phone. The phone menus and operations are via Windows Mobile. This gives some added functionality, but some folks would say it is a clumsier system than that of a pure phone.

My advice - if at all possible get a new TyTn or TyTn 2. There are many TyTns (original version) on ebay that have the screen alignment and white screen problems and there is no easy fix for either of these issues. The TyTn 2 is much less prone to either of these problems.

The original TyTn (Hermes) is apt to freezing and slowness. This is fixable with a bit of tweaking of the settings, a few registry changes and maybe even a new ROM. These kinds of things are what this site is all about and the help is here for that. Expect to spend time setting up a PPC phone - a bit like setting up your PC. So in this respect it's not like a more basic phone that is pretty much set up out of the box.

Mike
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] kartam:
Yeah I know I'd need to set it up, I've had several palmphones before but never as primary phone (I have had only touchless smartphones as primaries). I'd buy a TyTN II but i haven't got that much money, (I don't need GPS, and I'd live with the 2 mpx camera, it's not that important for me) and I've bought recently a SPV M3100 for 109 pounds... still waiting to be delivered ;)

and well - all that tweaking is what i love of WM phones ;) I didn't have it on classic phones or even Symbian ones, and now I'm waitiiing ;D having a classic phone for several days and I must say I hate its simplicity!

palmphones - i mean PPC phones of course.

But Hermes isn't slow overall? I mean comparing it to an OMAP850...